What would this building be for? 1/2 of Pudong's towers are empty. Is this another spec building?

Um is it me or are the pics from the first page no longer working?

I also dont see a single pic.

^^
The pics are no longer working and the author is nowhere to be found.

What would this building be for? 1/2 of Pudong's towers are empty. Is this another spec building?


Of all China's 24 companies in Fortune 500, only two are in Shanghai. 18 are in Beijing and most of them are state-owned. Surprisingly, only two are in Hong Kong. If Beijing can just transfer maybe 4 or 5 of their companies to Shanghai. Another reason is Pudong still has lots of spaces and rich people prefers to live in Suburan area.

^^
Doesn't really matter, because sooner or later everything will be occupied to the max.

First they have this rule about restricting height up to a max of 500m, now what is this crap?


If building can be that high SWFC could have secure the WTB for a year at least before BD is completed

Could it be the big 3 now

Could it be the big 3 now

I thought there are big 3 now? This should be the fourth...


Damn, SWFC should have been taller as proposed in the past... What a waste...

Any update about final design and specs yet?

Whichever will it be, this new tower will definitely dwarf Jin Mao and SWFC!

Damn, SWFC should have been taller as proposed in the past... What a waste...A waste? SWFC is proving to be a great building and doesn't need to be "the tallest" forever. Something has to surpass it, just like SWFC has done with Jin Mao and this new one is the perfect building to do it.

Now we just need confirmation of the design etc.

^ Woah! Fantastic!!!

yeah,it looks great,probably the best design...http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/runaway.gif
:runaway:

the pic in your link shows your smilie :lol:

Hmm . . . well once again I can't see any of these pictures. And I don't think you (any of you) can either. That's right -- YOU! The one reading this! You won't see any renders on the title post!

WTF?!

^^ check the link at the bottom of page 9.

the pic in your link shows your smilie :lol:

why??how do you do it without???
:nuts:

why??how do you do it without???
:nuts:

jetzt weiss ichs.!
:lol:

good height

yeah^^

A waste? SWFC is proving to be a great building and doesn't need to be "the tallest" forever. Something has to surpass it, just like SWFC has done with Jin Mao and this new one is the perfect building to do it.


I thought there was a height restriction over SH? It just contradict..

I have a guess that the final render will be revealed soon.

:lurker:

so when will they begin to repair all the broken glass?..unfortunitaly that fire may have put a set back in the compleation date...hope not..cause this is one of the best supertalls underconstruction

so when will they begin to repair all the broken glass?..unfortunitaly that fire may have put a set back in the compleation date...hope not..cause this is one of the best supertalls underconstruction

:lol:


this is not SWFC thread...

the thread-titles of the two threads are a bit similar :lol:

^^
Yeah, they need to change the name of the building. Probably, Shanghai Central or Shanghai World Business/ Trade Center. The current name is too simple and too common.

is there a defenent height for the proposed building?

we only know it will be taller than 500m

^^^ i hope lol..not even sure if its going to be reality.

all gossip. nothing concrete

(pun intended)

we only know it will be taller than 500m


If i like 700m--900m

does anybody know yet what the height will be?

nope

^ Check your PM box.

does anybody know yet what the height will be?

and i think we still have to wait a long time until we'll know something

what about a defenate look?

Well, rumors has it that if SFWC occupancy will be successful, then they will get ahead and build the Shanghai Center. The latest news of SFWC is many of the top world financial companies such as Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan, BNP Baripas and many others are interested. Morgan Stanley confirmed that they will get 10% of the building. So its highly likely that Shanghai Center's construction may start on Summer of 2008.

If i like 700m--900mI would be happy if it will be taller than Burj.:banana: :lol:

^^i wouldn't..it would destroy the whole skyline..making every other building look short.

i would like it ~600m and more importantly a good design

@gaeus, thanks for that info :)

yes, agree with you kix111. it should be 500-600m tall

Of course it will be big... but I doubt as big or bigger than Burj.

We have a bright future to look foreward to!

In the next decade we'll watch downtown New York, Shanghai, Dubai, and Moscow built supertall, next to supertall, next to supertall!

go earth! lol

btw the newspaper the reported the top out of swfc mentioned the programming for the z3-2, it said its going to be a supertall but didnt mention 'shanghai center'

^^i wouldn't..it would destroy the whole skyline..making every other building look short.

i would like it ~600m and more importantly a good design

@gaeus, thanks for that info :)It would be good if it is 650m at roof and 820m at spire(taller than burj)!:banana: :banana:

It would be good if it is 650m at roof and 820m at spire(taller than burj)!:banana: :banana:

....:lol: :lol: well!! copy 450m at roof 610m from GZ Tower!! maybe but not really!! I heard ZZ-II and kix111 said so around 500m - 650m!! I very miss 700m-820m :ohno:

over 700m wouldn't look good i think, they new tower should be max. 150m taller than SWFC

OK...after building the 600m SH center, they should build another 800m+ supertall.:banana:

OK...after building the 600m SH center, they should build another 800m+ supertall.:banana:



:lol: :lol: u :banana: and me :banana: :D

They should build a 600+m ...
............
so that new "Megatall Section" will get more thread.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK...after building the 600m SH center, they should build another 800m+ supertall.:banana:

hmmm...that's a good idea :). would be an damn awesome cluster

We have a bright future to look forward to!

In the next decade we'll watch downtown New York, Shanghai, Dubai, and Moscow built supertall, next to supertall, next to supertall!

Hong Kong and Chicago locals will never like you anymore because you forgot to mention their cities.

Hong Kong and Chicago locals will never like you anymore because you forgot to mention their cities.

And London.

And London.London building supertalls... sounds like an exaggeration, money doesn't seem to abound in those neighborhoods as of today.

chicago has no game,even with the spire thing,and what about midtown,lower part dont have room for another 600. and thers also a lot potential for ChongQing,GuangZhou,Macau, and India or Vietnam,though I dont think these 2 could have anybuilding close to our china's in a seeable future

^^ Don't forget Shenyang, 10 supertalls on going and more coming.

though I dont think these 2 could have anybuilding close to our china's in a seeable future

I don't have any doubt whatsoever that both India and Vietnam will build a lot of supertalls in the near future. You probably won't see supertalls popping up everywhere like it is the case in China, but expect to see lots of them in Mumbai, Hanoi, Ho-Chi-Minh-City or Bangalore.

^^ Don't forget Shenyang, 10 supertalls on going and more coming.

wow... 10 supertalls in shenyang than shanghai??

wow... 10 supertalls in shenyang than shanghai??

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=400392

It is just too many . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=400392

It is just too many . . .

Oh my god....!! Shenyang can rich... :eek2: :master: :master:

TQ for Gaeus!!

wow 16 pages and still no final design or height... I think most of the proposed towers look really nice, and i prefer SOM's most.

Is there - yet - final approved design? Can anyone shed some light on how much 1 billion RMB (One of the Chinese currency) is in US$?

London building supertalls... sounds like an exaggeration, money doesn't seem to abound in those neighborhoods as of today.

Central London has the highest average income of anywhere in the world and we do have one supertall which is demo status, LBT, so there.

Central London has the highest average income of anywhere in the world and we do have one supertall which is demo status, LBT, so there.Please define "Central London" and give us sources (oh, and "income" of institutions or individuals? Counting the queen in?). Anyway, even if it's like that, today the outlook is gloomy for many economic institutions in Britain (and western Europe in general). So investors will be wary of attempting big projects. If they didn't build supertalls in booming times, today it will be harder. The Shard is nice and is technically a supertall, but I believe people here were talking about 400+ meters buildings.

Could we stay on topic please?

Can somebody repost the original designs??? The links expired!!!

Can somebody repost the original designs??? The links expired!!!
go to the link on the bottom of page 9.

they must build it lol..other places in china has already came up with taller plans that swfc, so i think the government has to keep the no1 tallest building in china in shanghai by building the tallest :p

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By kazaaam (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/kazaaam)

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well hope this one works

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8692/shangai6002vh0.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shangai6002vh0.jpg)

can someone delete the two first posts
I am really sorry for this

the pic is a little render I made (not very realistic ) but it still give a good impression of what it could look like if this tower is taken
:cheers:

wow awesome render!

hows this:

http://skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20070922_ebd9f3427023dd78b159ikKaDyR9Cpr3.jpg

:p

Fantastic?

beautiful

any one has latest construction site pics of shanghai center?

it is still a golf practice court lol, its just a proposal

it is still a golf practice court lol, its just a proposal

hehe ,do you have pic of that golf practice court?

hows this:

http://skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20070922_ebd9f3427023dd78b159ikKaDyR9Cpr3.jpg

:p

Wooo... u r so clever... :lol: :okay: :okay:

^^lol not me..moyan from skyscraper.cn made it :)

is that the actual tower which is proposed?

lol, they get a little taller each time! i garuntee if shanghai actually tried, they could beat out the burj. i would actually like to see the worlds tallest here!

lol, they get a little taller each time! i garuntee if shanghai actually tried, they could beat out the burj. i would actually like to see the worlds tallest here!
Shanghai definitely could beat Dubai.
Shanghai actually has a (huge) need for tall buildings and i bet within 20 years they will hav the tallest or something very close.

If there are demands, the possibility of higher towers will be there.

If there are demands, the possibility of higher towers will be there.
there are deffinatly demands.
millions of people are moving there a year (really, millions) and they already have thousands upon thousands of commiblocks so this is why i think that we will start to see some ridiculously tall buildings there in the future. It will really serve a purpose there unlike in Dubai.

^^not only for residential, but also offices :)

i made a render out of kaiser's photography..hope this becomes the reality one day :)

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7479/renderbv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Woooo...God....... :eek2: :okay:

kix111 very nice....work!! :okay: :okay: :applause: :applause: :bow: :bow: :cheers1: :cheers1:

Oh shit! :drool:

stunning render Kix111 :eek:

i made a render out of kaiser's photography..hope this becomes the reality one day :)

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7479/renderbv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nice picture but I was always into this one more:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441922.jpg

Hell there is enough land to put these two on the same plot. I notice that skyscrapers in Pudong seem to "waste" alot of land with lots of grass surrounding the buildings. Cities like Chicago, Hong Kong and New York seem to pack them in.

das it exist eney video presentations ?

Today somebody opened a poll but it was closed. Again, they forgot about RTKL's proposal. I wonder why most threads I find about this project in every forum use to forget this prop, which imo is the best one.

135~ floors.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r5/z0rgg/024CBEDB.jpeg.jpg

Nice picture but I was always into this one more:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441922.jpg

Hell there is enough land to put these two on the same plot. I notice that skyscrapers in Pudong seem to "waste" alot of land with lots of grass surrounding the buildings. Cities like Chicago, Hong Kong and New York seem to pack them in.

Yeah, I like this one the best too. I remember reading that the layout of Pudong is deliberately designed to be very open, unlike the rest of Shanghai, which certainly couldn't accused of not being dense enough. It's meant to be a demonstration of the modernity of the area. The US style grid system is relatively new but it has been heavily copied, and they wanted to do something new. I guess they also fear that having too many of these huge buildings densely packed, would saturate a market which already has quite a high vacancy rate.

^^
It looks good but its not better than SOMs or the spiral render made by a Chinese firm. But its just my opinion.

By the way, the Poll Thread, which was was closed, is actually better. This thread lost its images and the author seems nowhere to be found. I would suggest to reopen that thread and close this one.

Today somebody opened a poll but it was closed. Again, they forgot about RTKL's proposal. I wonder why most threads I find about this project in every forum use to forget this prop, which imo is the best one.

wow this is such an awesome tower! is this a new render?

wow this is such an awesome tower! is this a new render?

No, it is as old as any other proposal. Fans just use to miss it for no reason.

They posted around 10 renders in Skyscrapers.cn, simply AMAZING. But they were gone when hundreds of pics of ss.cn servers were ereased some months ago, what a pity I didn't save them, only this one :( Maybe some guy saved them, somebody should ask there :D

hahaha, nice render!!!

No, it is as old as any other proposal. Fans just use to miss it for no reason.

They posted around 10 renders in Skyscrapers.cn, simply AMAZING. But they were gone when hundreds of pics of ss.cn servers were ereased some months ago, what a pity I didn't save them, only this one :( Maybe some guy saved them, somebody should ask there :D

*sigh* i actually prefer this one over SOM's:)

Today somebody opened a poll but it was closed. Again, they forgot about RTKL's proposal. I wonder why most threads I find about this project in every forum use to forget this prop, which imo is the best one.

135~ floors.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r5/z0rgg/024CBEDB.jpeg.jpg

Oh this is the best one I've ever known of Shanghai Center
Hope they will choose this one!

This three show us an interesting dialectic of high-rise projecting from 199... to 201...

Today somebody opened a poll but it was closed. Again, they forgot about RTKL's proposal. I wonder why most threads I find about this project in every forum use to forget this prop, which imo is the best one.

135~ floors.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r5/z0rgg/024CBEDB.jpeg.jpgIt looks a bit like ICC~:lol:

it does a lot.

But ICC looks better. I would prefer the design in PresidentBjork 's post.

Plus, it's so thin for a wide space. Even thinner than SWFC. I prefer a fatter / taller render.

Today somebody opened a poll but it was closed. Again, they forgot about RTKL's proposal. I wonder why most threads I find about this project in every forum use to forget this prop, which imo is the best one.

135~ floors.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r5/z0rgg/024CBEDB.jpeg.jpg

I also like this tower. Fits well for Shanghai.

Greetings!

What's the status with the Shanghai Center. Are they moving forward or what? Any updates will b greatly appreciated.

sap

they still have to choose the final design. but until now we haven't heard anything

^^^i think they have already chosen the design ages ago but we never heard anything then on

when they've chosen already then hurry up guys, i want to see a tower!! :lol:

Perhaps once the SWFC is completed some time after the final design will be announced and construction will commence. Maybe they don't want to steal the SWFC thunder...just yet...

is the 500mtrs the guessed height or probably?

500m is only the min. height

R they gonna build this puppy or not?I think shanghai doesn't beloved by new government no more,back to old time, this puppy already half way done probably.personally I am not crazy about Shanghainese,but on a national level,I still honestly wish they build this,I am gonna donate 20 bucks(I remember this build suppose to build only by chinese-money,unlike SWFC)

^^ relax, they will build it, it is just a matter of time.

I am not against the gov't idea of shifting their focus from one city to another, they don't want shanghai = china. Remember ten years ago, shenzhen was their focus on building the nation, everything was for shenzhen, now, I think they are somewhat shifted towards other places, such as chongqing and shenyang.

^^this was proposed under the previous mayor of shanghai who was arrested. So obviously a new mayor is needed who does not seem to do any good on shanghai center.

Rumors heard that there will be a new mayor soon again

i really hope the best for this project. a cluster of 3 400m + towers would be damn awesome

i really hope the best for this project. a cluster of 3 400m + towers would be damn awesome

yeah,that's not gonna happen,dude

a cluster of 4 200m might :)

The plot seen from Jin Mao Tower, pic by williamhou
http://lh4.google.com/imperial.william/RvoEh1vuF0I/AAAAAAAABRU/5yBe7YU7msY/DSC01515.JPG?imgmax=800

yeah,that's not gonna happen,dude

I think he was talking about this, SWFC and Jin Mao, 3 400+m within a couple of blocks.

three 400+m together? I think I prefer a 600+m with a couple of 300+ buildings.

is it really economically viable to build it today tho? is there such a demand for office space in pudong right now? dont get me wrong, i'd love to see another supertall being built there, i can't help but being realistic about the necessity of this project.

so it's a driving range at the moment? :lol:

three 400+m together? I think I prefer a 600+m with a couple of 300+ buildings.

Yeah and that land looks too big to "waste" on one building.

is there such a demand for office space in pudong right now?

I think people tend to over estimate the demand required for a super tall. If they were making a few acres of lowrise commercial, no one would be saying "OMFG They'll never fill it LOL" but it would be more office space than in a supertall. These cities that are rapidly growing don't want to blow all of their land on 3 storey buildings.

is it really economically viable to build it today tho? is there such a demand for office space in pudong right now? dont get me wrong, i'd love to see another supertall being built there, i can't help but being realistic about the necessity of this project.

The vacancy rate has dropped, I guess it will recover a little since they are finishing quite many skyscrapers now, but the demand is very strong anyway.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7753/shanghairatesox7.png

so it's a driving range at the moment? :lol:

Now I c, I've been curious for some time why they just built a driving range in the most expensive plot in Shanghai. :lol:

^^it is for those rich ceo to play golf :p really really expensive to play there :)

thanks for the charts z0rg..

and one question z0rg..do you remember the pie chart about asia's biggest economic cities?

shanghai is somewhere like no.2 or 3 i remember and in the future (2020?) it said no.1 on that pie chart

^^it is for those rich ceo to play golf :p really really expensive to play there :)

thanks for the charts z0rg..

and one question z0rg..do you remember the pie chart about asia's biggest economic cities?

shanghai is somewhere like no.2 or 3 i remember and in the future (2020?) it said no.1 on that pie chart

really, it's just a driving range. the one near my home is $2 for 100 balls :)

^^it is for those rich ceo to play golf :p really really expensive to play there :)

thanks for the charts z0rg..

and one question z0rg..do you remember the pie chart about asia's biggest economic cities?

shanghai is somewhere like no.2 or 3 i remember and in the future (2020?) it said no.1 on that pie chart

Never saw that chart, would be nice to see. Most studies like that underestimate Chinese cities a lot because they use nominal figures to measure city GDP, and as you know in China that's too unreal because of rmb issues, etc.

Can someone tell me who are the architects for these two ?





http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4364/1156323335knuve4hqtyvrfq8.jpg

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1836/2789721159441421yw9.jpg

^Damn, that's nice!

@Hed_Kandi, not sure about the first, but the second one is by Gensler.

Can somebody update the first page, with all the updates! And working pictures, I can't see them:ohno:

Can somebody update the first page, with all the updates! And working pictures, I can't see them:ohno:
try this link:
http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=5306

Can someone tell me who are the architects for these two ?

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4364/1156323335knuve4hqtyvrfq8.jpg



Isn't it the company name listed on the image?

Also this is a magnificent tower, really!

@Hed_Kandi, not sure about the first, but the second one is by Gensler.

Do you know if they approved a tower for Shanghai Center (500m)?
If yes, which tower, please post a pic?

are they going to build it next year?

This looks amazing another great tower

Do you know if they approved a tower for Shanghai Center (500m)?
If yes, which tower, please post a pic?



No. Nobody does :D

are they going to build it next year?

nobody knows this. but i'm sure it will nothing happen at the site next year

ASIA BUSINESS CENTER: NOW AND NEXT 10YEARS

thats why its going to get built


http://www.shanghaihills.com/en/highlight/image/top02_photo03.gif

don't get the diagram. How do they measure business centres? And seven cities comprise the entire asian business centres?

this bulding needs to get 800 m +

they (shanghai hills or mori cooperation) asked 524 CEO and top businesemen and ecnomists

:eek2::eek2::eek2: WOW!!! i'm totally impressed by so many brilliant designs! take any of them and build it! or better take all of them and build them! ;)

They're all amazing, but this is may favourite. It's like organic in a wonderful way.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1836/2789721159441421yw9.jpg

they (shanghai hills or mori cooperation) asked 524 CEO and top businesemen and ecnomists

what is 524 CEO mean??

what is 524 CEO mean??
524 chief executives of major companies. I'd believe that -- a large number of informed people together making a guess usually guess pretty close.

上海浦东拟建世界第一高楼外形酷似方尖碑
东方网10月26日报道　Z3-2地块位于浦东陆家嘴金融中心区，东泰路、银城南路、花园石桥路交界处，北面是金茂大厦，东邻上海环球金融中心。

陆家嘴集团有关人士告诉记者，目前Z3-2地块被用作陆家嘴高尔夫练习场，但这仅仅是临时用途，集团与高尔夫练习场的使用方———陆家嘴高尔夫俱乐部的场地租赁合同是一年一签。


高尔夫练习场今年底租期将满，届时将不再出租，集团将收回土地，整理后等待今后的处理。

相关人士透露，从功能上说，Z3-2地块作为商办综合用地，将来在此崛起的将很有可能是包括写字楼、酒店或者商场设施在内的建筑。“不过今后大楼的高度、设计建造的单位到现在为止还都没有确定。”

“上海中心”外形似“方尖碑”

记者从有关部门了解到，按照1993年《上海陆家嘴中心区规划设计方案》中的规划，金茂大厦、环球金融中心加上陆家嘴Z3-2地块，将建设3幢超高层的标志性建筑，形成“品”字形的三足鼎立之势。现在，金茂大厦和环球金融中心的高度已定，但规划中的超高层建筑用地陆家嘴Z3-2地块上的高楼有多高呢？

上海现代建筑设计集团副总工程师高承勇告诉记者，有关方面曾组织过该项目的招投标，由于Z3-2地块上的高楼是三幢标志性建筑中的最后一幢，引起国内外多家设计单位浓厚的兴趣，其中最著名的包括国际著名的美国SOM建筑设计事务所、美国KPF建筑师事务所等都提交了正式的设计方案，现代建筑设计集团也组织了集团内部的设计单位做了一些设计，但仅仅是“内部讨论”，没有正式参加“上海中心”的方案征集。尽管众多方案已浮出水面，但截至目前，原定的有关这幢超高层的正式设计招标并没有举行。

记者昨天在曾负责设计金茂大厦的美国SOM建筑设计事务所的官方网站上，看到其“上海中心”项目的介绍，从设计效果图上看，这座晶莹剔透、形状酷似方尖碑的大楼主体建筑118层，高580米。如果按此方案操作的话，那“上海中心”将毫无疑问成为中国第一高楼了。

根据SOM方面的设计方案，“上海中心”的楼层布置与它在建的“邻居”———环球金融中心比较相似，最下面为商业设施，中间是办公楼，高层则是高级酒店。人们可通过一个玻璃长廊走进这幢大楼。

金茂大厦和环球金融中心旁又要崛起一座超高层大楼！按照规划，陆家嘴的Z3-2地块将建造超高层大楼，并且曾公开对外招投标，引来国内外各家著名设计单位的竞相角逐。记者昨天在曾负责设计了金茂大厦、也曾参加Z3-2地块建筑招投标的美国SOM建筑设计事务所的官方网站上，看到了有关“上海中心”项目的介绍。从设计效果图上看，这座大楼正好位于Z3-2地块上。根据规划，该建筑主体为118层，高580米，比刚刚结构封顶的环球金融中心又高了88米。

如果Z3-2地块按照SOM设计方案施工的话，那么“上海中心”项目将有望刷新全国甚至全世界超高层建筑的最高高度，而该区域的“品字形”的超高层建筑群，也有望成为全中国甚至全世界的一个新地标。 (本文来源：东方网 )

Please, somebody confirm what my poor Chinese & Google tranlashitor can't. They chose SOM's design?

580m and 118 floors.

^^ they said that the SOM was chosen on the SWFC thread...so i think so.

thats fine with me, it is beautiful.

根据规划，该建筑主体为118层，高580米

118 floors

The article doens't confirm anything, it just says according to SOM's plan the building will be 118 floors and 580m tall.

...^and that the golf course currently occupying the plot ends its lease at the end of year and will not be renewed again...I wonder how much that will factor in to expediting this project along next year.

^ a lot, i think this is going to happen..soon..

2007, oct, 26

Z3-2 is currently a driving range, there a YEARLY contract between the driving range and the Lujiazui Finance&Development Co,.

The contract will end in the end of 2007, and Lujiazui Finance&Development Co,. is planning not to lease the land.

The officials said the Z3-2 will be a multi-purpose building, including office, hotel, restaurents etc. Altough we have seen many renders on 'shanghai center', but the official design and the height HAVE NOT BEEN CHOSEN.

SOM is one of the company going for the design of the Shanghai Center. The building designed by SOM is 580m in height with 118 floors.

http://www.som.com/content.cfm/shanghai_center

Experts recomend "above 600m".

http://house.people.com.cn/GB/98381/6436751.html

专家称上海高楼不宜超过600米

从金茂大厦到上海环球金融中心，或许今后陆家嘴地区还会建起更多的超高层建筑，如此狭小的区域内三幢大楼“三足鼎立”，上海的软土地基能承受它们的“体重”吗？有关建筑专家告诉记者，有关方面曾对上海能够承受的建筑高度作过评估。根据上海的地基状况、供水、能源供应、建设成本控制以及现有的技术水平等因素，上海能够建设的超高层建筑最高最好不要超过600米。

上海现代建筑设计集团副总工程师高承勇分析说，在上海造超高层建筑，首先要考虑软土地基对建筑物沉降的影响。高承勇表示，从理论上说，现代建筑基本上都是透过在高强度的钢材或混凝土材料构成的骨架上覆板建成。负责架构支撑的柱子将大楼的重量传到地基上―――尽管大楼看上去非常沉重，其实土地承受的压力相对而言并不算大，加上上海多年来积累的高层和超高层建筑的经验，克服软土地基已不是大问题。从技术上分析，上海的高楼最高最好不要超过600米。虽然技术条件上可允许再造得更高一些，但成本也会更高。

目前，陆家嘴金融贸易区内已建成使用的商务楼宇有近150栋，楼宇经济已成为陆家嘴金融贸易区崭新增长点，随着上海环球金融中心等一批楼宇项目在未来两三年内建成，鳞次栉比的高楼大厦可以说是为陆家嘴金融贸易区建设创造了良好的条件。

不过，大量的高层和超高层建筑也有一系列需要面对的问题。上海建筑科学研究院有关专家分析说，水电、消防等基础设备、管线在类似金茂大厦、环球金融中心那样的超高层建筑里，超乎想像地繁杂，相应的管理工作也是惊人地繁重和琐碎。此外，超高层建筑的维护保养费用也非常高，驾驭这样的“庞然大物”必须维持足够的财力和先进的管理水平。如果高楼太高的话用水如何解决？还有台风、地震、火灾等影响，都是超高层建筑需要认真面对的潜在问题。

另外，超高层建筑也形成了城市中的“钢筋水泥森林”，让一些都市人感到压抑。

Experts recomend "above 600m".

http://house.people.com.cn/GB/98381/6436751.htmlWell, the article actually says that, because of the geological situation in Lujiazui and related construction costs, any new tower should not exceed 600 meters.

如果Z3-2地块按照SOM设计方案施工的话，Please, somebody confirm what my poor Chinese & Google tranlashitor can't. They chose SOM's design?

580m and 118 floors.
如果

still not choose witch design.

kix111
re: ASIA BUSINESS CENTER: NOW AND NEXT 10YEARS
do you have a source for this graph?

thats like the 100th time i answered this question >.>

the graph is a survey done with 526 authorities in many big asian companies.

OMFG whats up with shanghai these days? the new mayor have just gone and now everything is poping up~!

the new SOM plan for shanghai called 'pudong bridge' - connecting buildings with buildings

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071027_370dc5506ee6b0d8a6efXZZRriR6mipn.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071027_784bbd5d872c9e01bf5cxupN27zDIdIc.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071027_2dae82e8ea88b06127c6mUcOct8e4yzg.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071027_53dce7257c53729f8172jv2Z3SNC2BFd.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071027_3dc96062fa59aa52b1c6W6Pyb8yDbqKV.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071027_ce05952d34cb77f428fbunn4oPeQ4fak.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071027_59b583b84a6ed127fab6VMRfpXTfNOls.jpg

^^don't get me wrong i like it, i like it a lot...but is it necessary?

OMFG whats up with shanghai these days? the new mayor have just gone and now everything is poping up~!

the new SOM plan for shanghai called 'pudong bridge' - connecting buildings with buildings

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071027_370dc5506ee6b0d8a6efXZZRriR6mipn.jpg



This looks awful! A horrifying urban concept! Try to clean up the streets, don't just try to move people off of them!

wow, that's an awesome project!!

^^^^^

that SOM concept is absolute bs.

Concepts like that ruinied a lot of cities already in the 60`s, now they remove it again ...

I hope they wont build it...athought the rendering is nice...

i can't imagine that project could ruin shanghai

I really like the concept. If they can pull it off right, it could really help out all the pedestrians in such an urban environment. Wouldn't it be nice to leave your office and walk a few blocks to a nice restaurant for lunch without having to cross the street?

SOM did it again!!! Its actually cool but it needs gradual cleaning lke 4 - 5x a day if approved. By the way, does it resemble a Chinese word by any mean?

i can't imagine that project could ruin shanghai

If it's the start of a trend, yeah, it can make it a LOT worse and unfriendly. Can you imagine trying to open a store near one of those freakish things? It would be nearly impossible to bring in any pedestrians off the streets because they'd be trapped inside a tube!

while this rendering is looking superb, I would rather not have it built. Just look how much boston had spent on the big dig due to some wild constructions in the 50s. Maybe they can build it in other parts of shanghai, but not in pudong

damn, i dont think it's a good design, maybe destroy the pudong vertical viewing. but anyway, that's extremely futruristic!

^^i think this skywalk is really just optional,

but really do hope the best for SOM shanghai center!!

i like the idea cmon china have alot of people wat u guy worry about lol if u build this in unites state then is a difference story lol

^^don't get me wrong i like it, i like it a lot...but is it necessary?

You have never walked around Lujiazui, have you? :D

^^

With thousands of vehicles increasing every week, they definitely need it. The traffic in Pudong is already worse than ever. They definitely need skywalks to prevent more accidents. I saw a YouTube video before where vehicles in Pudong is cramming like ants and hundreds of people walking across the streets. They definitely need it or they may suffer in the future.

You have never walked around Lujiazui, have you? :D
Surprisingly yes i have...your right, it was crowded.
i forgot about that.

You have never walked around Lujiazui, have you? :D
I've jaywalked in Lujiazui (the nearest crossing was like 200m away) and it felt like playing Frogger. My friend's shoe tip got run over by a car, but thankfully he retracted his toes quickly enough. A skywalk would be very helpful. Right now, the only effective crossing is the Metro station (it does have 10+ exits), but one has to remember where all of them lead to.

On a side note, Shanghai had its displeasure with skywalks as well -- there was one at Nanjing Road and People's Square, and they replaced it with a tunnel after a few years.

still no approved tower, eh....

the pedestrian bridges = terrible proposal....

It is just next logical step in this kind of environment, I think they should make them movable.

I really hope that they don't build this...but if they do it could be interesting.

weather you like this or not..i think this is already u/c

they have blocked many raods and the bus station (where its going to be built)

weather you like this or not..i think this is already u/c

they have blocked many raods and the bus station (where its going to be built)

You mean the pedestrian bridges or the actual Shanghai Center?

this is a great render of the skywalks, hope it gets built!

I've jaywalked in Lujiazui (the nearest crossing was like 200m away) and it felt like playing Frogger. My friend's shoe tip got run over by a car, but thankfully he retracted his toes quickly enough. A skywalk would be very helpful. Right now, the only effective crossing is the Metro station (it does have 10+ exits), but one has to remember where all of them lead to.


Maybe they should just make the roads narrower. This isn't the 2nd century AD where the wider your roads are, the better your city. Making the roads as wide as they were was just a very childish display of poor planning. Like WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!?! Not only is it terribly inconvenient and a pain in the ass for pedestrians, it makes Lujiazui look so much worse than it couldve been. Lujiazui has a huge bucktooth gap in the middle of skyscrapers. No other CBD has roads that wide, not because they can't build wide roads but because it is utterly retarded. Even adding bridges won't make buildings closer to each other. It lacks density and vibrancy and with roads so wide, it will stay that way.

You mean the pedestrian bridges or the actual Shanghai Center?


the skywalk :)

how long will it take to finish the skywalk.

btw, why are they building the skywalk before all those proposed buildings are being built, I thought their service is to connect buildings together.

facade testing for SIFC
is this right thread?
http://i14.tinypic.com/4qpkpqd.jpg

^^OMFG is taht going to be the cladding for IFC in shanghai?????!!!
where is the small testing hut in the photo?

btw this is the thread for shanghai center

^^
We need to make a new thread for International Financial Center then if that is the case. I would love to see the render of that skyscraper.

^^
We need to make a new thread for International Financial Center then if that is the case. I would love to see the render of that skyscraper.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=492434

I didn't know the SOM design was chosen for the Shanghai Center? Or isn't it?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=492434

OH! Snap! :D

I didn't know the SOM design was chosen for the Shanghai Center? Or isn't it?

as far as i know it has not been chosen

^I saw a diagram with tallest buildings of Shanghai, it was on the diagram!

OMFG whats up with shanghai these days? the new mayor have just gone and now everything is poping up~!

the new SOM plan for shanghai called 'pudong bridge' - connecting buildings with buildings

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071027_370dc5506ee6b0d8a6efXZZRriR6mipn.jpg

This looks awful! A horrifying urban concept! Try to clean up the streets, don't just try to move people off of them!

I totally agree.

^^^^^

that SOM concept is absolute bs.

Concepts like that ruinied a lot of cities already in the 60`s, now they remove it again ...

This is a horrifyingly 1960s concept, which has been proven time and time again that it doesn't work, it kills cities. It is of course the natural progression of an area with some of the worst urban design I've seen; an area that so completely gives itself over to cars that indeed, the natural progression is to shove pedestrians into horrible tubes over the roads.

^^

With thousands of vehicles increasing every week, they definitely need it. The traffic in Pudong is already worse than ever. They definitely need skywalks to prevent more accidents. I saw a YouTube video before where vehicles in Pudong is cramming like ants and hundreds of people walking across the streets. They definitely need it or they may suffer in the future.

Maybe they have gotten to the point whereby they need it now, but this only serves to confirm my point above. It is a symptom of terrible urban planning. The whole of this area of Pudong seems to be one massive experiment in resurrecting the modernist concept, but I can guarantee that it will not work. Putting tubes over the roads for people to walk across will not give the area any of the vibrancy of other CBDs because people will still have to walk huge distances in a car choked environment to get from one building to another. I honestly don't understand it, is it stubbornness or what? Why do Chinese cities insist on repeating exactly the same mistakes that Western cities made 40-50 years ago? I don't get it! The problem is that the damage that this kind of urban planning does to Chinese cities now will be far more severe than was the case in Western cities in the 1960s because the scales at which they are being implimented are just so much bigger, it will be irreversable.

Maybe they should just make the roads narrower. This isn't the 2nd century AD where the wider your roads are, the better your city. Making the roads as wide as they were was just a very childish display of poor planning. Like WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!?! Not only is it terribly inconvenient and a pain in the ass for pedestrians, it makes Lujiazui look so much worse than it couldve been. Lujiazui has a huge bucktooth gap in the middle of skyscrapers. No other CBD has roads that wide, not because they can't build wide roads but because it is utterly retarded. Even adding bridges won't make buildings closer to each other. It lacks density and vibrancy and with roads so wide, it will stay that way.

I agree with you, but I fear that it's simply too late. The buildings and the roads are there already, you could reduce the size of the roads by a few lanes, which would result in wider pavements, but I don't think that would help much. The problem is not that the pavements are too narrow, indeed, many of the pavements in that area are also massive, it's that everything is simply too big, distances too large. The only way you could improve this is to move the buildings closer together, which is clearly impossible.
The scale is quite simply rediculous! Look at that picture above, and you can fit another row of skyscrapers up the middle of currently the main road! With roads down either side, there would still be space to spare!

Before you all flame me for this, please note that I have been to there myself and I've walked around extensively on foot.

For reference, compare with two of the world's top CBD's.

London - Canary Wharf:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Canary+Wharf,+Tower+Hamlets,+London,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,51.505301,-0.020707&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=7.400771,19.401855&ll=51.504442,-0.018808&spn=0.004935,0.013143&t=h&z=17&om=1

New York - Downtown Manhattan:
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=manhattan&ie=UTF8&ll=40.705498,-74.010494&spn=0.005921,0.013143&t=k&z=17&om=1

Now compare with Pudong:
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=China,+Shanghai&sll=35.689352,139.693909&sspn=0.012687,0.019248&ie=UTF8&ll=31.240307,121.49673&spn=0.006678,0.013143&t=k&z=17&om=1

Now I know that it is not finished yet and there are big construction sites on that google map, but even if you imagine every plot is built on, compare the building density and compare the road widths with the others.

^I saw a diagram with tallest buildings of Shanghai, it was on the diagram!

that doesn't say much ;). we have to wait until an official release, i really hope it will be the SOM design

I agree with you, but I fear that it's simply too late. The buildings and the roads are there already, you could reduce the size of the roads by a few lanes, which would result in wider pavements, but I don't think that would help much. The problem is not that the pavements are too narrow, indeed, many of the pavements in that area are also massive, it's that everything is simply too big, distances too large. The only way you could improve this is to move the buildings closer together, which is clearly impossible.
The scale is quite simply rediculous! Look at that picture above, and you can fit another row of skyscrapers up the middle of currently the main road! With roads down either side, there would still be space to spare!

Before you all flame me for this, please note that I have been to there myself and I've walked around extensively on foot.

I mean now seeing the google satellite image, the huge eyesore here is just century boulevard. The rest of Pudong is less dense than canary wharf or downtown manhattan, but its comparable to Shinjuku. I mean if they can just split Century boulevard in two and build mid and highrises down the middle, that can solve the problem can't it?

i thought it was suspose to be 500+m ?

i don't like this idea of pudong bridge as well...

dont worrry about the skybridge just now, i think its already u/c (<---- SKYBRIDGE)

century ave needed one of those anyway, way too many violent drivers in shanghai, the skybridge makes the life easier, especially in the summer (40+ `C)

i dont think the design will affect the whole pudong area anyway, you won't be able to see as a whole skyline..

Oh...!! already u/c really?? mean SOM's that true??

ok, let me phrase myself again lol :p

the skybridge is already u/c i think

ok, let me phrase myself again lol :p

the skybridge is already u/c i think

OK!! No problem!! i'm waiting for u hear good news soon!! :) :cheers:

I totally agree....

Your totally right man cities like NYC and London were already very densely developed before the age of the automobile and ridiculous highways. My opinion is this is why NYC boasts a really great and extensive mass transit system as well.

The capacity of Shanghai's roads are obviously well above current requirements, its simply an example of a planned city. Where older cities will be experiencing a crunch in traffic, Shanghai will be getting along fine. I know this is an environmental nightmare, but it'll happen, shanghai's in its developing stage, soon the vehicle population will double or more, and all these monstrous roads will justify themselves. The horrible concepts of lost space, where cities are torn apart with transportation networks will come at an apropriate time, and this pedestrian bridge can solve the impending technical problems of lost space.

$0.02

Maybe they have gotten to the point whereby they need it now, but this only serves to confirm my point above. It is a symptom of terrible urban planning. The whole of this area of Pudong seems to be one massive experiment in resurrecting the modernist concept, but I can guarantee that it will not work. Putting tubes over the roads for people to walk across will not give the area any of the vibrancy of other CBDs because people will still have to walk huge distances in a car choked environment to get from one building to another. I honestly don't understand it, is it stubbornness or what? Why do Chinese cities insist on repeating exactly the same mistakes that Western cities made 40-50 years ago? I don't get it! The problem is that the damage that this kind of urban planning does to Chinese cities now will be far more severe than was the case in Western cities in the 1960s because the scales at which they are being implimented are just so much bigger, it will be irreversable.
Oh, it's terrible. At street level, all of Lujiazui is an eyesore. Not in the sense of messiness, but in the sense of lifelessness. It is sad to watch Chinese cities adopt the worst possible layouts.

lol, i will just use this thread to keep up the news/development of lujiazui, since no one visits the other thread

from www.sina.com.cn

the government have approved the eastwards extension of lujiazui CBD. Including the shipyard and everything shown in the circle below, with a total land area of 2million squared meters.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4520/devnb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Good riddance. Those low-rise flats are hideous.

^^i think so too.

so are there renderings, whats constructed there?

they are the stupid residential mid rises

Are the residents compensated when they are forced to move? Most of them are probably renters though.

^^don't get me wrong i like it, i like it a lot...but is it necessary?

Well it may not be necessary, but it looks like it'll be great, especially if the weather is bad. I'm sure it'll get used plenty.

Oh, it's terrible. At street level, all of Lujiazui is an eyesore. Not in the sense of messiness, but in the sense of lifelessness. It is sad to watch Chinese cities adopt the worst possible layouts.

I don't think Pudong has to be vibrant, it's built as a green and clean area, where modern glassy buildings are installed with more space between them.

I don't think Pudong has to be vibrant, it's built as a green and clean area, where modern glassy buildings are installed with more space between them.

thats the whole concept of lujiazui/pudong

Are the residents compensated when they are forced to move? Most of them are probably renters though.
The are getting paid to move, and often that could be a lot of money! (especially in this CBD area, i would say around us$50,000 / person in a household)

I don't think Pudong has to be vibrant, it's built as a green and clean area, where modern glassy buildings are installed with more space between them.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
Not that Shanghai is going to hell for this. Chinese cities have enough residual population density to ensure they won't die out, unlike American cities that became addicted to modernist planning.
so are there renderings, whats constructed there?
Endless rows of what looks like barracks. Given the prime location of this land, they should build residential complexes at least 40 storeys tall.

I actually see the bridges as something useful... Cars would not need to stop as much, better traffic flow? Just a guess...

I actually see the bridges as something useful... Cars would not need to stop as much, better traffic flow? Just a guess...
Definitely. When I was in China, I noticed the greatest cause of traffic congestion is cars unable to turn right with pedestrians crowding the crossings.

they are getting ripped off if each person just get compensated for for $50000

^^whys that..i just estimated, could go up to 500000?

^^whys that..i just estimated, could go up to 500000?

There is absolutely no way a single person will be compensated that amount of money. Even $50k is pushing it. I wouldnt be surprised if $5,000pp was the amount compensated for the lost property.

^^i have no idea lol.

maybe it would be $5000us per squared meters?

China is not the USA and civil rights there are very questionable. (please note ambiguity ;))

$50us per square meter may be more realistic, maybe $500us.

Anyway... which firm is designing this tower? Anyone out there in cyberland have any idea if there is any announcment in the near future?

Actually the Chinese government has special office to deal with this even an office in L.A. California if the property owner lives in the US. They have a complicated formula to work out the compensation, it depends on the location of the property, how long you have lived there, your income level, rent paid there, etc. etc. I know a couple who have been paid over US$120,000 for a flat of 1,000 SF in Shanghai.

Thx Lotus. I would be interested in knowing what socioeconomic background this couple belonged to and whether they had political friends. What I am referring to in my previous posts is the average Chinese worker living in the housing estates in this (http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4520/devnb9.jpg) image. These people have little money, no influence and little hope of disputing a measly compensation.

Thx Lotus. I would be interested in knowing what socioeconomic background this couple belonged to and whether they had political friends. What I am referring to in my previous posts is the average Chinese worker living in the housing estates in this (http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4520/devnb9.jpg) image. These people have little money, no influence and little hope of disputing a measly compensation.
The implementation of any compensation scheme, I hear, depends mostly on the character of the officials involved. A risky, messy process, but equable in some cases.

Actually the Chinese government has special office to deal with this even an office in L.A. California if the property owner lives in the US. They have a complicated formula to work out the compensation, it depends on the location of the property, how long you have lived there, your income level, rent paid there, etc. etc. I know a couple who have been paid over US$120,000 for a flat of 1,000 SF in Shanghai.

thats correct, chinese government has no right to just move their houses. And in this CBD area of shanghai, no one knows HOW expensive it would be.

those people who live there are prob. just waiting to get paid. There are also a few people who refuse to move unless they are paid with a desired amound (greedy people >.<) :bash:

if chinese governemnt has the right to remove those houses with little pays, shanghai will be covered completely with highrises! lol :nuts::lol:

if chinese governemnt has the right to remove those houses with little pays, shanghai will be covered completely with highrises! lol :nuts::lol:

But isnt that exactly what is happening? :)

I dont know about how compensation is calculated or the figures involved. Im simply basing myself on a range of facts I do know about China and how things are done there. Also, there have been dozens of documented cases of evictions around China where compensation was next to nothing. In fact, a very famous example of this is the original farmers of the Terracotta Army... agh... Im getting way of topic and ive gone all political... lets get back on topic...

Sorry all...

Hmm, I used to live in that bit...
I'll always have a soft spot for my flat opposite the stock exchange. I doubt there is anywhere else in the world I could have afforded to live within 500m of a 400m+ building...

dont worrry about the skybridge just now, i think its already u/c (<---- SKYBRIDGE)

century ave needed one of those anyway, way too many violent drivers in shanghai, the skybridge makes the life easier, especially in the summer (40+ `C)

i dont think the design will affect the whole pudong area anyway, you won't be able to see as a whole skyline..I think this would be terrible in most parts of Shanghai, but in a car oriented, pedestrian unfriendly area like Pudong it might work.

new renders for another design! looks like a 700+ from the render XD

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_597d633b388e7f1f8e20orRn2gbnXaDH.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_21e63afaee10dbde6558pIR3ERfMTB7C.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_74ca083a8dac4524d9261fq9TDTboKUJ.jpg

^^

WOOT!:shocked::shocked::shocked:

This one really deserves it!!!:bow::bow::bow:

Its so tall!!!:eek2::eek2::eek2:

It looks awesome!!!:drool::drool::drool:

Better looking than Burj Dubai and SWFC IMO!:omg:

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_74ca083a8dac4524d9261fq9TDTboKUJ.jpg

Turning Torso anyone?

Looks like the best design yet. Looks amazing and is a great complament to JinMao and SWFC as its a different design and way taller, making it look like the 'parent' with two kids lol.

That is quite the monster, but look carefully and you'll realise that SWFC looks only marginally taller than Jin Mao on the first and last picture.

^^ ^^ I don't think that's a new proposal, just new renders...

Isn't it the same as this?
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1836/2789721159441421yw9.jpg

yeah its the same, no one ever said its a new proposal, they are new renders

That is quite the monster, but look carefully and you'll realise that SWFC looks only marginally taller than Jin Mao on the first and last picture.

thats actually because of the render, or maybe the angle

swfc is actually a lot taller than jin mao :cheers:

Definitely my favorite proposal so far. It looks really amazing!

look at the crown... the top..

the 'old' design was round.. with a little 'notch' at the top which would make the lit top visible from the ground...

the new design does not show that..

also, the 'old' design was round... with a slice up the side..
the new design is flatter...twisting..

close, but not the same..

'new' or 'old', they both look great

This is great. I voted for Gensler, and this new render is so similar to that project, plus is very tall, and its shape is harmonic with the other two (square, polygon, circle). GO FOR IT!

It's the best desing of all :banana:

more and more twisting towers are desingd and I like them the most of all skyscrapers :cheers:

That's clearly the best design. Looks a bit too tall in some of those renders though

That's clearly the best design. Looks a bit too tall in some of those renders thoughHumm... too tall?:poke:

That new design is awesome :shocked: :okay:

Wow!!!! Hope they build something that big!! I counted around 155 floors!!!!

^^ ^^ I don't think that's a new proposal, just new renders...

Isn't it the same as this?
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1836/2789721159441421yw9.jpg

That's Gensler proposal. The renders posted by kix111 looks like a larger version of KPF proposal I think:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/kpf-1_OtgJH8L9bCPu.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/kpf2_PcjzkZyaROuT.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159442150_5FboDZL5G1KK.jpg

wow, the new render looks perfect. and for me it is definitely not too tall :D

My top 5 by the moment:

1- RTKL: 1 (http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r5/z0rgg/024CBEDB.jpeg.jpg).
2- SOM: 1 (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/Pandemonious/perspec1.gif), 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som_1_q1vcD6pMwz0W.jpg), 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som-2_3s7qANUL7Z3N.jpg).
3- KPF: 1 (http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_597d633b388e7f1f8e20orRn2gbnXaDH.jpg), 2 (http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_21e63afaee10dbde6558pIR3ERfMTB7C.jpg), 3 (http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_74ca083a8dac4524d9261fq9TDTboKUJ.jpg).
4- SIADR: 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159565644.jpg).
5- Unknown: 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441922_k2aXek97lXdV.jpg).

:D

Lets just build them all! ;)

I think KPF has the best design though.