the first 3 (RTKL, SOM, KPF ) are all so wonderful....can't decide what my favourite is :)

My top 3 choices:

1. KPF
2. SOM
3. RTKL

:D :D :D

That's Gensler proposal. The renders posted by kix111 looks like a larger version of KPF proposal I think:No they don't. Take a better look, they're more slender and the "spine" is missing (at least in one pic). I'd say they're (assuming they represent the same render, and are not mixed up) more similar to Gensler's, or maybe a new project...

No they don't. Take a better look, they're more slender and the "spine" is missing (at least in one pic). I'd say they're (assuming they represent the same render, and are not mixed up) more similar to Gensler's, or maybe a new project...

Maybe you are right... :D

my top 3

1. rtkl
2. kpf
3. som

I like. Its amazing.

Boy, that Shanghai Spirt is something else. Just built a supertall and already want to put it to shame with a superdupertall...LOL Think anything that they will build there will look awesome. All renders are nice and TALL.

Boy, that Shanghai Spirt is something else. Just built a supertall and already want to put it to shame with a superdupertall...LOL Think anything that they will build there will look awesome. All renders are nice and TALL.

If you build it, they will come. If you build more and better, more will come. :lol: :nuts:

which SOM, from New York or Chicago ?

new renders for another design! looks like a 700+ from the render XD

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_597d633b388e7f1f8e20orRn2gbnXaDH.jpg
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_74ca083a8dac4524d9261fq9TDTboKUJ.jpg Excuse me, where am i? Obviously not earth as Ive never heard of architecture this stunning! Wherever we are though, they should obviously build this. Looks complicated and expensive though.

Wow!!!! Hope they build something that big!! I counted around 155 floors!!!!



That's Gensler proposal. The renders posted by kix111 looks like a larger version of KPF proposal I think:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/kpf-1_OtgJH8L9bCPu.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/kpf2_PcjzkZyaROuT.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159442150_5FboDZL5G1KK.jpg

WOW! the design is awesome! another spectacular view in Shanghai esp at night :banana:

and its even taller than the TV Tower, WOW!

Excuse me, where am i? Obviously not earth as Ive never heard of architecture this stunning! Wherever we are though, they should obviously build this. Looks complicated and expensive though.

I agree 100%, this is a magnificant, majestic, supertall.... one of the best i've ever........... seen.!!!!

Looks complicated and expensive though.A titanic effort for sure, even for a city like Shanghai. But I believe it could repay itself in the end.

but who is going to take the project

Excuse me, where am i? Obviously not earth as Ive never heard of architecture this stunning! Wherever we are though, they should obviously build this. Looks complicated and expensive though.

I hope they build this one, simple and elegent just like swfc.

anyone seen this?

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071111_bf73964517148f0cab76e6mrbrL02IyU.jpg

i havn't seen it before!but i don t like it .its too thin and look like a Plank.

anyone seen this?

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071111_bf73964517148f0cab76e6mrbrL02IyU.jpg

No, but this one is awesome as well.........

i havn't seen it before!but i don t like it .its too thin and look like a Plank.Exactly, a plank badly wrapped in aluminum foil, an unresolved shape.

When we will see the winner?

nobody knows, but hopefully very soon :)

My top 5 by the moment:

1- RTKL: 1 (http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r5/z0rgg/024CBEDB.jpeg.jpg).
2- SOM: 1 (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/Pandemonious/perspec1.gif), 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som_1_q1vcD6pMwz0W.jpg), 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som-2_3s7qANUL7Z3N.jpg).
3- KPF: 1 (http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_597d633b388e7f1f8e20orRn2gbnXaDH.jpg), 2 (http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_21e63afaee10dbde6558pIR3ERfMTB7C.jpg), 3 (http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_74ca083a8dac4524d9261fq9TDTboKUJ.jpg).
4- SIADR: 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159565644.jpg).
5- Unknown: 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441922_k2aXek97lXdV.jpg).

:D

Whichever they build I would love. That simple. My favorite is the KPF version and the rest are still fantastic. Would anybody know if there will be an observatory at the top or are they just going to say that Oriental Pearl and SWFC are enough so there is one not needed in this building? Hope they have one up there.

wow..KPF looks great..how tall will it be?i guess about 650-700 m!

Would anybody know if there will be an observatory at the top or are they just going to say that Oriental Pearl and SWFC are enough so there is one not needed in this building? Hope they have one up there.

Jin Mao also has an observation deck.

Even better, the Jin Mao has a bar...:cheers:

^^haha yup

whats this 0.o

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071111_6f6ee798a60195e8f7b13LFnBNK0Pww2.jpg

that is a 600m+ render hope they'll build it :)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/cityz/Urban/ShanghaiCenter4mini.gif (http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/1156323827_ozBjpPqxHlEa.jpg)


I look like it!! :)

Looks good

Why are you trolling every thread - if you've got nothing to say don't say it ..

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8271/73768590xs0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/cityz/Urban/ShanghaiCenter4mini.gif (http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/1156323827_ozBjpPqxHlEa.jpg)
I look like it!! :)You mean you are 600+ meters tall? Wow. :master:
So Shanghai doesn't even need to build a new supertall, it already has it. Plus it's the first walking skyscraper in the world. Can you give us your complete address, Carlos?

^^

It's a typo.

It should be "It". ;)

^^

It's a typo.

It should be "It". ;)Oh! How disappointing. :(

You mean you are 600+ meters tall? Wow. :master:
So Shanghai doesn't even need to build a new supertall, it already has it. Plus it's the first walking skyscraper in the world. Can you give us your complete address, Carlos?

:lol::lol:...... ermm....No I mean I copy from skyscraperpage (forum)!! :p u trying visit at http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=116595 please click it!! :)

I look like it But I dont know...which one they choose...!! or zOrg know..!

If You look like it!! welcome and support it!! dont :master: me and Thank You!!

:D

What a crazy render, fan-made I guess.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8561/1095721195390794vu7.jpg

800m + :D. that is too tall for that 3-tower cluster

800m + :D. that is too tall for that 3-tower cluster

You said "too tall"? Heresy!!!


888m would be perfect :D

i know...normally i would never say too tall :D. but that this one would fit perfekt, pudong would need a cluster made out of 500m-700m towers :)

it would fit very well somewhere between jin mao and tv tower.

maybe but between jin mao and swfc is doesn't look so good.100m too tall...

IMO its too tall it would dwarf beasts of towers ( Jin Mao and SWFC) .... this wont be a good decission

What a crazy render, fan-made I guess.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8561/1095721195390794vu7.jpg

i dont think a fan made this ?. it's 950m+

i dont think a fan made this ?. it's 950m+

if....-------------> 999.9m !! :D

im thinking... 608m for this tower. dunno why, i just think that height would suite it most =)

With the help of Sketchup i measured 800-850m

Can Shanghai even build a 800+ scraper? I mean, the whole city is built on mud and there will also be lots of problems with the heavy monsoon winds. :ohno:

yes, but it would take a couple of years to get the foundation just right. but in the ling run it wouldnt look good. like Ember-To-Ashes said a 608m tower would be good there

yes, but it would take a couple of years to get the foundation just right. but in the ling run it wouldnt look good. like Ember-To-Ashes said a 608m tower would be good there
Ok. I guess they'll have to have like 160 meter long poles in the ground and so on. Must be very expensive! I don't think they'll buld higher than 600 meters in Shanghai.

well, we just have to wait and find out. but personally i dont think it will go over 610m

everything is possible at this project. but i have to agree, i think it will be between 500m and 600m

not only that i'm thinking it will be under 610m, i'm going with that # cuz i've seen sites never mentions anything over 610m. and this article even mentioned it being under 600m
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/z3-2_izKWAFwufegB.jpg

not only that i'm thinking it will be under 610m, i'm going with that # cuz i've seen sites never mentions anything over 610m. and this article even mentioned it being under 600m
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/z3-2_izKWAFwufegB.jpg

Wow..never seen so many proposals for only 1 project
So, height will be between 550m and 580m?

probably yes

wow, that is a increidble picture

What are the chances the most god awful second rate design gets chosen alas the case with so many other competition designs?
I'm banking for a a height of anything exceding 580m, anything below 550m or round my post count may as well not get built. There needs to be a huge margin between the differing heights going from Jin Mao/SWFC and the New Shanghai Center. SWFC is at least 71m taller than it's predecessor, it wouldn't be illiogical to have a building 70m taller than SWFC to balance it out evenly. Easier said than done, hey.

btw ZZ-II, nice avatar.

^^
btw ZZ-II, nice avatar.


Did you see his post number? Pretty nice as well, hu?

btw ZZ-II, nice avatar.

:), thx. thought it is time to change it.

SOM has removed his proposal from his website!

that sux!
i loved that one.

SOM has removed his proposal from his website!

^^

That means they are going to make a new one!!! They are making sure they will not loose again after what happened to San Francisco. It's just a theory. ;)

Jin Mao Tower (421m), registered capital: 2.635 billion RMB

Shanghai World Financial Center (492m), registered capital: 3.6 billion RMB

Shanghai Center (?m), registered capital: 5.4 billion RMB

-------------------

so what do you think?

Jin Mao Tower (421m), registered capital: 2.635 billion RMB

Shanghai World Financial Center (492m), registered capital: 3.6 billion RMB

Shanghai Center (?m), registered capital: 5.4 billion RMB

-------------------

so what do you think?

3.6 billion RMB mean 850milion USD??

^^ no since it's 7.4 yuan per dollar, 485,869,329.79 USD for 3.6 billion RMB

Oh man! I know it is very hard to tell from those small pictures but some of them really ungly. I am sure Shanghai will choose that suits her or at least I hope soo.

Shanghai Center is cool

have anyother new update??

when there are news they'll be posted ;)

Shanghai Center is cool

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

all the pics in the first post don't load- can someone edit their post please! i can't really tell what's being proposed here- do i really have to read the whole thread?

these are some proposals posted by z0rg in this thread, page 4

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=10026426&postcount=68

i see. many designs, none chosen at the moment.

the 'Shanghai Center' Ltd. is established lol.

they announced to make 'shanghai center tower' the no.1 landmark in lujiazui and shanghai.

but the floor area is only 200,000sq.m

hopefully it will be a thin and tall structure :)

btw. if you havent already heard, the plot of shanghai center's contract with the driving range company ends this month. I think they are removing the golf range soon too.

i think the building is going to be built, the only unknown factor is the height and the design. So hopefully we will have a SHANGHAI | Shanghai Center | 590m | 120 fl | U/C by the end of 2008 XD

great to hear kix111 but 200.000 sqm for a tower with 500+ sounds not soooo much to me. remember: the SWFC has almost 380.000 sqm!

z0rg just told me that chicago spire = 278,709 sq. m / 150fl

many things contradicts each other here...


JinMao = 2.635 billion RMB
SWFC = 3.6 billion RMB
Shanghai Center = 5.4 billion RMB

dont tell me they are going to spend 5.4b rmb on a 300+ lol

and they said its going to be the no1 landmark in shanghai, so should be the tallest

we'll see when we've the final renders :)

Maybe they'll come with an ultra expensive design like CCTV Hq... ;)

Maybe they'll come with an ultra expensive design like CCTV Hq... ;)

yes i like CCTV Hq too :)

Well, such height is interesting, indeed, but I agree with those who said "too tall". The point is that TV Pearl Tower is not so impressive any more even after completion of SWFC. looks too small and I think he whole skyline idea should be turned around "her".

i see your point night city dream, just a shame the tv tower wasnt taller to start with.

Well, such height is interesting, indeed, but I agree with those who said "too tall". The point is that TV Pearl Tower is not so impressive any more even after completion of SWFC. looks too small and I think he whole skyline idea should be turned around "her".No way should the Pearl Tower be the centrepiece! I would prefer to see that hideous tacky thing demolished. It's the epitome of tasteless 1990s Shanghai. Some of those other green glass 90s "space age" buildings in Lujiazui, with assorted pods and helipads on their roofs, are likewise disposable. They're architectural embarrassments the lot of them.

I somewhat agree on the main point however. Good skylines have balance and proportion. Building too tall will only make all of the surrounding 200m towers look irrelevent. I would be happy if they chose the best design (SOM). That would give Pudong a skyline centred on three impressive signature towers in close proximity - but if they're going to choose any of the other proposals then I'd rather it was built elsewhere in the city - perhaps around Renmin Square. I wouldn't be right to have the SWFC overshadowed by anything inferior.

^^

I totally agree with you about the Pearl Tower and all those other green and yellow Lujiazui buildings of the 1990's! That also goes double for Century Boulevard. These things are all monstrosities, relics of a time when architects of Shanghai were designing buildings and planning districts with blind-folds on! I mean what were they thinking?! Century Boulevard should be narrowed, the Oriental Pearl needs to be demolished as do all those other disgusting buildings. Although to Shanghai's credit, buildings in Pudong in the 2000's have become much classier and better, demonstrated by the Jasper Tower and friends cluster. Plans for late 2000's and 2010's look very well-designed too. Hopefully they will build enough of Jasper Tower-like buildings to block out or overpower the hideousness of 1990's monstrosities.

somehow I like the oriental pearl, it's definately not the traditionally beauty, but's just so unique, I think only with the tower, SH's skyline are simply recongnizable. I think this building has some tricky design, I said this before, maybe u don't like it now, but 10, 20 yrs later? that's what I call futuristic. Would u think the 2007's BMW is beatiful, if u look at it in 1980s?

No way should the Pearl Tower be the centrepiece! I would prefer to see that hideous tacky thing demolished. It's the epitome of tasteless 1990s Shanghai. Some of those other green glass 90s "space age" buildings in Lujiazui, with assorted pods and helipads on their roofs, are likewise disposable. They're architectural embarrassments the lot of them.

I somewhat agree on the main point however. Good skylines have balance and proportion. Building too tall will only make all of the surrounding 200m towers look irrelevent. I would be happy if they chose the best design (SOM). That would give Pudong a skyline centred on three impressive signature towers in close proximity - but if they're going to choose any of the other proposals then I'd rather it was built elsewhere in the city - perhaps around Renmin Square. I wouldn't be right to have the SWFC overshadowed by anything inferior.

you're mocking my favourite things about shanghai :lol:

i like this one,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441623.jpg

and this one,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441515.jpg

I Like it : http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-27G.jpg :)

That last 1 looks Hidious for such a tall tower!

I think the last one looks nice ... its just different =)

wooooooooooWWWWWWWW..................stunning building!!!!

i think shanghai can get away with just about anything it likes... such as the last tower :)

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-27G.jpg

that reminds me of this

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/picturedisplay.php?ref=5370&idi=The+Manchester&self=nse&selfidi=5370TheManchester_pic1.jpg&no=1

Who actually makes all these renders?

yeah i've no idea where they come from. was/ is there a design competition for tender?

that last render is made by some chinese design institution...hopefully that is not the final design

shanghai center should be u/c somewhere near mid 2008, height should be around 580m...will be the ultimate landmark of shanghai (shanghai center > swfc)

i really can't wait for the construction start :)

where is the proposed site , is it the square plot already started near the jin meo tower ?

this site, just next to Jin Mao and SWFC:

http://i8.tinypic.com/6sthslx.jpg

correct the official name for the plot is z-32

the contract of the golf driving range and the lujiazui company ended in 2007...so i guess it should be removed soon

Ok. I guess they'll have to have like 160 meter long poles in the ground and so on. Must be very expensive! I don't think they'll buld higher than 600 meters in Shanghai.

I'd tend to agree unless its another observation tower, really though I think we've reached a stage going after height records just isnt worth it. Shanghai's image would be better suited by a 500-600 meter building and a few more 200-300 meter ones in the surounding area.

I'd say a 570m to a 600m building would suit the site well. but i honestly dont think they will go any higher the 600m+

yes, this height would be perfect. but the tower shouldn't have a spire IMO

all the sugestions so far tend that it will be a smaller tower ... or it will be a tall and slim one :ohno:

If those modest figures for budget and floor space quoted by kix111 are confirmed it wouldn't be strange that the final project was even shorter than the SWFC. I'm really worried :(

^^ uh oh.

I REALLY hope they dont mess this up. the area would look great with the three supertalls proportioned like this.

the new tower has to be a massive 500m+ tower. a slim 300m-400m tower wouldn't look good i think

Doesn't sound any good as up to 600m would fit there. :(

thanx, so its going on the golf driving range, not the plot to the left with cranes on it?

a lot of evidences contradict each other for example such a little floor area but with almost twice the cost of swfc? also they are saying its going to be the new landmark of shanghai, obviously it would be better than swfc :)

dont have to worry guys :)

With the observatory on SWFC, would it be likely or unlikely that they would put an observatory on Shanghai Center should it reach 580m to 600m?

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-27G.jpg


:bow::bow::bow::bow:

you're mocking my favourite things about shanghai :lol:

i like this one,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441623.jpg


I love this one. The design looks authentically Chinese but I think it should be taller and fatter. I like fat tall buildings like the former World Trade Center in New York.

some renders

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080109_0633a2f6645f14aa3d48sQZjZqNPFUwQ.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080109_e467658d4ad99d18a3c80GZNcdp1HpDw.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080109_0cd378a95dd02b1523b4HCPH7hPWJ25r.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080109_770260544772c5d6b129niYwHr7kmTdS.jpg

All projects are outstanding! But a project posted by Manu84 is my favourite!

Considering that the Shanghai Center plot is located behind (as in further away) the Jin Mao in this rendering, this particular proposal has to be huge!

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080109_0cd378a95dd02b1523b4HCPH7hPWJ25r.jpg

It look like the proposal is in front of Jin Mao.

^^ difficult to count exactly, but approx. 135 floors

It look like the proposal is in front of Jin Mao.
In that case it's built in the middle of the road or in the park. :)
The plot is behind Jin Mao in that picture.

:) Ok, then you are wright this tower would be very big :shocked:

I would love to see a building there which makes a good triple with Jin Mao and SWFC and didnt dwarfe them! Maybe something around 540m - 600m.

Everything which gets higher would IMO look stupid, the skyline has to get harmonical! They should use some kind of design like the one posted in post number 601.

All projects are outstanding! But a project posted by Manu84 is my favourite!

i agree.. that project is gorgeous...

I would love to see a building there which makes a good triple with Jin Mao and SWFC and didnt dwarfe them! Maybe something around 540m - 600m.

Everything which gets higher would IMO look stupid, the skyline has to get harmonical! They should use some kind of design like the one posted in post number 601.

i don't like the design from post 601...., i still prefer the SOM proposal :)

Any idea when a proposal will be picked?

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-27G.jpg


:bow::bow::bow::bow:

:D welcome!! :)

i am a lil bit confuses
how many proposals are there?
never seen the last one

Shanghai definitely needs a better looking building there. Other buildings there either look ugly or weird.

I'll vote for #602. That is the best.

All proposals
1.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-27G.jpg

2.
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080109_0cd378a95dd02b1523b4HCPH7hPWJ25r.jpg

3.
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080109_770260544772c5d6b129niYwHr7kmTdS.jpg

4.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som_1_q1vcD6pMwz0W.jpg

5.
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080109_0633a2f6645f14aa3d48sQZjZqNPFUwQ.jpg

6.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441623.jpg

7.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441515.jpg

8.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/kpf-1_OtgJH8L9bCPu.jpg

9.
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071111_6f6ee798a60195e8f7b13LFnBNK0Pww2.jpg

10.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1836/2789721159441421yw9.jpg

11.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4364/1156323335knuve4hqtyvrfq8.jpg

12.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r5/z0rgg/024CBEDB.jpeg.jpg

13.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441922.jpg

14.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441724.jpg

15.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-20G.jpg

16.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-24G.jpg

17.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-25G.jpg

18.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-28G.jpg

^^
There are more proposals - check this post (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=17483573&postcount=2).

but they are higher than 500m and 600m...

This one is very good IMO, but compared to Jin Mao it looks like 750-800m.:nuts:

Do the same design on smaller scale, 550m please. :)

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-28G.jpg

@www.sercan.de, 9 and 13 are the same, RTKL's (my fav, btw)

Thank you z0rg and staff
I edited it

the 1 , 2 and 6 very nice

I love this one. The design looks authentically Chinese but I think it should be taller and fatter. I like fat tall buildings like the former World Trade Center in New York.

my thoughts entirely i think the wtc 'look' was one reason i liked this proposal so much. it's like it has wtc sticking out of the top of it. as for width, i'd say the top part is probably just as wide as wtc. it just looks thinner because the building is so tall. i can't tell how tall it is though.

6-7-17 one of those towers and I'm happy :okay:

they all look like dubai apart from 8, 14, 7, 6, 3, 2, 1

i'm pretty sure nothing that looks like dubai will be approved (i'm guessing really). shanghai has a history of quite groundbreaking buildings, so i can't see it following dubai.

8 looks like it belongs in shenzhen

14 looks like torre amos in barcelona or 30 saint mary's axe in london

7 looks too much like taipei 101

6 ?

3 maybe looks like something dubai

2 looks a bit cheesy and arabian

1 i possibly quite unique but looks very industrial

people have witnessed that the driving range on the plot z3-2 (shanghai center) has been removed and there are several cranes around the plot..

is it really going to be u/c ???

I'm gonna go with no.10 on this one. BTW, what with the Kowloon background on 4?

This one is very good IMO, but compared to Jin Mao it looks like 750-800m.:nuts:

Do the same design on smaller scale, 550m please. :)

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-28G.jpg

it's just the pic, and how its designed on it. it's no were near 700m. like i said before. and i'll say it again till this baby rises. it's not going to pass 620m. if they did it would look really ridiculous

people have witnessed that the driving range on the plot z3-2 (shanghai center) has been removed and there are several cranes around the plot..
What, really? Pics?

err no pics yet..but it has been proven by numbers of people..dunno what they are doing up there

people have witnessed that the driving range on the plot z3-2 (shanghai center) has been removed and there are several cranes around the plot..

is it really going to be u/c ???

great to hear kix :), hopefully we'll get some official news soon

^^
But cranes aren't normally set up until after a year or so of digging. Why would cranes be up already at SH Center? Sounds weird.

Jan 13, the driving range was still there...

http://www.efengge.com/photo/0801_13_07.jpg

^^ omg!!!! :drool:

incredible pic!!!!!

thank you zorg!

Really amazing picture :drool:
Jin Mao is amazing as well.The most elegant tower in China for sure!

Lovely picture there! :eek:

i just love these pics from the top .

as you can see in the pic, taken by jamyan, the fence of the driving range is gone!

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080116_7cd2c909426a162049102AgpzSHiqLvh.jpg

comparing to the one from 3rd january

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080103_66409f07ec7139676b69exN0qvQ42vHt.jpg

Yea, you're right! Does it mean they will start construction before finishing SWFC? :eek:

They removed it in 48h, that's crazy even for China :D

So prep. work has begun - does this mean that a winning proposal will be chosen soon, or has it already been chosen?
Finally something interesting happens with this project. I've been waiting for more than a year for this. :)

Yea, you're right! Does it mean they will start construction before finishing SWFC? :eek:

nothing is sure, but at least it is possible :)

did the moderator just changed the title into prep? or has it always been prep =/

It was changed, I think. Even in z0rg's China Supertalls thread it is listed as Proposed, so...

:)

did the moderator just changed the title into prep? or has it always been prep =/

I changed it :p

photo by jamyan
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080117_d432c5fe6ee328fcb862yugDzTAw9oIn.jpg

oh btw the SOM design was denied...it was on the news today from ssc.cn

are they ever going to get rid of that garden in front of jin mao? build another ~200 m there to complete the citigroup/aurora plaza/Shanghai IFC cluster? that patch of green has been bugging me for a while and i can't wait to see it filled by an elegant office building

oh btw the SOM design was denied...it was on the news today from ssc.cn
:ohno: that was one of the best.

that's a pity :(

It wasn't one of my favourites. No problems. :)

I can't wait to see which one they choose at last...

i have a feeling that it might be the one that folds like a roll of paper =)

this one

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1836/2789721159441421yw9.jpg

i hope not, that just looks like dubai/ kuwait/ etc

^whys that? how does it look like dubai?

it twists. arabia loves twisting towers, they can't get enough of them.

i'm just saying, if shanghai builds another of the world's twisting towers, it's not going to be as impressive as it could have been

wow, this one can collect a lot of rains, snows for toilet flushing water :D

it twists. arabia loves twisting towers, they can't get enough of them.


Not exactly, Chicago Spire might/will be the most famous twisting tower in the world.

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/748/1190924997spireparkxu1.jpg

@kix, that one is Gensler's, it's the one which looked far above 700m in some renders :crazy:

My favourites are those by RTKL, Gensler and Foster. SOM was ok too.

i like this one too

is that one RTKL too? man it looks good, my fav so far
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/129322_1160115540.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/1156323448_wv7KWSpmaqfH.jpg

^^ The first one is RTKL's, you can see it has around 140 floors. The second one I don't know, but it looks cool too, so industrial.

now i hope for RTKL, my 2nd favourite proposal :)

yeah chicago have jumped on the bandwagon too. that type has more symmetry and order, sets it off a bit from the half turns

there must be something going on at the site, here's a news report saying an gas pipe exploded yesterday while workers trying to tear down some temporary shops around this lot, 5 people suffered non life threatening injuries, and a door to the nearby Jin Mao was smashed by the shock wave. :ohno:
http://sh.eastday.com/qtmt/20080117/u1a392886.html

can't read anything on the site ^^. but you're right, they're doing something on the site now

　图片说明：爆炸飞出的碎玻璃等将一街之隔，约30多米外的金茂大厦6号门大门玻璃砸碎。点击浏览组图。
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东方网记者杜丽华、刘歆、刘华宾1月17日报道：浦东花园石桥路、银城中路口一处二层的拆迁楼上午发生爆炸，与之正对面的金贸大厦音乐厅大门受损。
　　
　　东方网记者在与事故现场一路相隔的金茂大厦6号门看到，音乐厅玻璃大门被爆炸激起的物体砸出两个大洞，地面散落玻璃渣。记者现场目测，金茂大厦音乐厅与爆炸事故现场约有30米直线距离

^^

Photo caption: explosion of broken glass and other flying will be a Street at about more than 30 meters from the Jinmao Building, Door No. 6 smashed glass door. Click the AP.
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东方网reporters Dulihua, LIU Xin, Liu Hua Bin January 17: Pudong Dashiqiao Garden Road, Yincheng junctions demolition of a two-story floor at the explosion occurred, it is opposite the door of the Hall Building Trade damaged.
　　
东方网reporters in the way between the scene of the incident and the Jinmao Building, Door No. 6 that the glass door of the Concert Hall was the object Zachu explosion stirred up two big holes, scattered Bolizha ground. Visual journalists at the scene, the Jinmao Tower Hall with the explosion scene of the accident about 30 metres from the line

http://sh.eastday.com/eastday/shnews/slideshow/20080117_3/images/00076499.jpg
http://sh.eastday.com/eastday/shnews/slideshow/20080117_3/images/00076500.jpg

http://sh.eastday.com/eastday/shnews/slideshow/20080117_3/images/00076501.jpg

http://sh.eastday.com/eastday/shnews/slideshow/20080117_3/images/00076502.jpg

http://sh.eastday.com/eastday/shnews/slideshow/20080117_3/images/00076503.jpg
http://sh.eastday.com/eastday/shnews/slideshow/20080117_3/images/00076504.jpg
http://sh.eastday.com/eastday/shnews/slideshow/20080117_3/images/00076506.jpg

http://sh.eastday.com/eastday/shnews/slideshow/20080117_3/images/00076507.jpg

http://sh.eastday.com/eastday/shnews/slideshow/20080117_3/images/00076508.jpg

http://sh.eastday.com/qtmt/20080117/images/00076468.jpg

http://sh.eastday.com/qtmt/20080117/images/00076473.jpg

Wow, the plot is furious :O

That's a pretty serious debris radius, surprising (but lucky) more people weren't hurt.

#669!! why happen that....??

So....no one know, which is the final design...?

#669!! why happen that....??

Gas explosion :(

So....no one know, which is the final design...?

nobody knows the final design unfortunately :(

nobody knows the final design unfortunately :(

do we at least know when they will make the final decision ?

unfortunately also not :(. we can only hope they'll release it soon

they said a number of top chinese architects and designers had a meeting in last december.

they chose 4 designs to be in the finalist.

now they are going to choose 2 design out of those finalist.

and then they are going to choose a final design to be shanghai center

Oh my god!! that was terrible!!!!

Could someone please repost the proposals please :)
i cant see them on the first page

check out this, you'll find the pics there: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=17483573&postcount=2

Hope there were no human casualties in the gas explosion...:ohno:

Gas explosion :(

oh my god... they are safe??

Why has the thread title been changed to site prep???

^^, because they're preparing the site, probably already for the tower ;)

because the land alocated for this tower is suffering a dramatic change :gossip: and we know that some projects have been refused so one of them maybe has won..but we don't know which one :yes:

OMFG ITS A REALITY NOW!

i dont know how to translate, someone please translate this, i have to go now, bye

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080128_f6198c07743a09b78151u2I0F17RRg7A.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080128_fca0b4b424a01ede7bdbDWMqkplI3Ch2.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080128_19d392ad566c6289ceb9LGxs8UTPko2G.jpg

well, i'll try to translate this one ^^, pretty tough though :tongue2:
title (photo 1): shanghai center plot management agreement
the few words following: the plot will be handed over from one party to another in early Feb, 2008

photo 2: overview of the plot, it gives the detailed location of the project, z3-2, covering 20,346 square meters, besides it there's a planned green land/park (z3-1) about 10,022 square meters, two pieces together there are 30,368 m2 available, they have been sealed off by the developer.

photo 3: the stamp of the developer, the document was signed on Jan 18, 2008

hopefully this will help :)

I searched through the thread a bit but didn't find anything... Has a particular design been chosen? How extensive is the prep work that's going on?

^^ no words on the final design yet

So it is really going to start before SWFC open! Great news!!! :eek:

Great news!! new supertall in Lujiazui is confirmed

we don't know yet when they'll start construction .. it remains to be decided wich of the proposals will be chosen :cheers:

i think it is possible they'll start already this year :)

Shanghai needs more buildings

Shanghai needs more buildings

I agree 100%. I love the way new buildings are styled in Shanghai. A very authentic look to them.

Shanghai needs more buildings

yeah, especially lujiazui, needs 150 more than 200 meters buildings:banana:

its going to be built, that document is the shanghai center foundation management plan

the stamp on the last page is shanghai center tower construction development cooperation

the estimated construction time = 7 year woah!!!
starting u/c mid 2008!

this is almost confirmed...

7 years?! :eek:

That may be some sign of the height, it probably won't be no 500m or 550m dwarf... :lol:

yeah i was really surprised as well haha and also yup its a good sign!

who knows when a 800m will pop up in shanghai XD

What's the final render? Which one did they pick?

Ok nm. Just read the last two pages. :D

I'm personally rooting for these two:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-36G.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-29G.jpg

^^Those two are amazing...i like it...:yes:

[QUOTE=Manu84;17576326]http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-27G.jpg

it's is cool!! XD

yeah i was really surprised as well haha and also yup its a good sign!

who knows when a 800m will pop up in shanghai XD

I guess this picture the 800m...
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8561/1095721195390794vu7.jpg[/QUOTE]

If look like 888.8m so cool!! :lol: XD

the estimated construction time = 7 year woah!!!
starting u/c mid 2008!

this is almost confirmed...

7 years is indeed much. hope we'll see soon why they need so much time :D

yeah i was really surprised as well haha and also yup its a good sign!

who knows when a 800m will pop up in shanghai XD

not any time soon

very nice project!

any idea when the final render is comformed?

very nice project!

if you won't stop posting these useless comments on every single thread, you will get a very nice ban I think.

Back to topic:
That ~800m render looks horrible, it's way too massive compared to surroundings. The best height of the center would be 575-650m, not more.

888 meters....wouldnt that be a nice number ?

7 years construction time tells us whats going on here----they`ll go very very very tall.

7 years is about the same time as Burj Dubai took. And in my oppinion, the Chinese usually build faster than the people in the middle east.

As a comparison: Chicago Spire, which is 610 meters tall takes altogether 6 years : 2005-2011.

888 meters....wouldnt that be a nice number ?

7 years construction time tells us whats going on here----they`ll go very very very tall.

7 years is about the same time as Burj Dubai took. And in my oppinion, the Chinese usually build faster than the people in the middle east.

The 7 year period can be also caused by some unique technologies or unique type of structures used in the building, it doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna be 800m+. :)

And 888 meters, that is a nice number, but only on paper, In reality the tower would be alone in the skyline with no link to it's supertall neighbours. I want to see 3 supertall towers in Lujiazuj, not 1+2. :cheers:

it would be good to see some more 500m towers surrounding an 800+m scraper, thats right. On the other Hand it works out quite fine with Burj Dubai standing more or less alone among many smaller towers.

As a comparison: Chicago Spire, which is 610 meters tall takes altogether 6 years : 2005-2011.

CS started in June 2007 ^^. that makes 4 years until 2011 :).

and for the SC they'll need 3 years more.....probably the tower will not be over 600m but maybe it's a difficult construction method. who knows :)

China loves 8 so much, and especially triple 8. It is a matter of time we see an 888m project rising somewhere in this country. But this tower is very unlikely to reach such height.

right. I made a mistake. Damn
Nevertheless CS takes 5 years, as it started in the very begining of 2007 and will finish at the end of 2011. ;) ( I know I am a Korinthenkacker.... ;) )

when the hell they choose a design finally?

^^ yeah!!! I've been checking this thread for....too long!! and there's nothing clear about this project. Are we close to a final decision?

i know when it gonne start to contruck
talk is cheap lol no talkin more action

as we have no "real" news, and all talk here is pure speculation, I got bored and made a photoshopping
2 times 888 meters for Shanghai.

Thats the way I like it. :)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2075/twotimes888mf1.jpg

Hopefully by early of february we should get some good news on this.

Rumours on SSP has it that this will indeed be the tallest tower in China.

as we have no "real" news, and all talk here is pure speculation, I got bored and made a photoshopping
2 times 888 meters for Shanghai.

Thats the way I like it. :)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2075/twotimes888mf1.jpg

:eek::shocked::D

that would mean it has to be taller than the 517m Tower in Tianjin ^^

Monsters!!!

that would mean it has to be taller than the 517m Tower in Tianjin ^^

wasn't it supposed to be 570m...??

:)

ah yes, :D. of course, my mistake ^^

new info,

reliable: 4.18 ~ after chinese new year u/c

unreliable: the foreman of swfc construction team said that a governmer said its going to be china no.1, higher than 580m, a design of narrow top (foster????)

Rumour posted at ss.cn (thanks kix111 for telling me).

- Final design isn't any of the ones we have seen.
- They want it to be taller than Burj Dubai.
- They said it is expected to be 820m, 188 floors
- It is supposed to look like this:

http://news.wap.sohu.com/images3/wblog/2007/05/18/10/23/1179455030032_0.jpg


PS: I don't believe anything... I don't think it will surpass 550-650m.

well, the height wouldnt be so much of a problem, if those super-super talls wouldnt necessarily be so wide at the bottom.

From a structural engineerings point of view, a height/widht ratio of about 1:10 cannot be beaten. Usually buildings are even wider than 1:10, more like 1:8 or so.

That means, if you want to go 820 meters tall, you would have a minimum widht of about 80-90 meters at ground level. And this would completely ruin the whole townplanning concept of Pudong.
It would be massive as hell.

the drawings that you have shown indicate that they will use a "X" (or call it "+") shape to solve the problem when it comes to the floorplan. Nevertheless it would be extremely thik.

agree z0rg, i also don't believe it. 820m is too much for the 3rd supertall in pudong, 550m - 650m is ok IMO.

i remeber shanghai goverment stopped super tall building approval.

^^
They can easily change their policies again, I can imagine that they would like to have the tallest in the world.

But hopefully we see some real info soon, this ongoing situation of knowing next to nothing only leads to more and more speculation.

^^ they might, but its not going to happen. it would look right out of place, and i dont think they would want that to happen to their great skyline

^^ I don't think it'd look out of place. Especially in a long term, since they're planning a huge eastwards extension for Lujiazui CBD, and many 180-250m will be added. In which other area of Shanghai would you build such a titan? Lujiazui is the only suitable area.

On the other hand, the best location for a monstertall would be the current location of the TV Tower imo. Also, I wish they'll remove the huge Lujiazui park and build a nice cluster of 300-450m towers there, preserving only the center of the park. Maybe in a long term. Lujazui has too much greenery, a total waste of space.

Anyway, I don't think they are planning something higher than 600-650m for this plot.

Lujazui has too much greenery, a total waste of space.



that's what makes Shanghai beautiful.

188 floors
820 meters tall

:omg: hope this is for real!!!! :omg:

that's what makes Shanghai beautiful.

Shanghai is not just Lujiazui, and Lujiazui would be far more beautiful if they built some supertalls on that park.

188 floors
820 meters tall

:omg: hope this is for real!!!! :omg:

it's not

Personally,

I'm not really hoping for the Shanghai Centre to be a really tall building... just taller than the SWFC will be good enough for me. To be taller than Burj Dubai is ridiculous. Think about how out-of-place it will look.

I hope Shanghai doesn't do what Hong Kong did with 2 IFC.

holy crap i hope they won't make it that big! i prefer it if all three supertalls were around the same height with no difference of 150m from smallest to tallest otherwise it won't sync in with the surrounding although i prefer this!

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-29G.jpg[/QUOTE]