^^ It is, but the Shanhai tower is by far the best of the 4

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Great pics! It highlights itself in the skyline!

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The big 4 under construction.
All four are great project and I love it :) I hope these projects won´t be stopped for many years due to the world crisis as Shanghai trade center. Has the erection of Shanghai tower advanced in some way? Are here some new photos?

Does anyone know if the Shanghai tower, especially the top floors, will be accessible for general public/tourists? I hope it will also work as a lookout tower and will become Shanghai´s Eiffel tower :)

Does anyone know if the Shanghai tower, especially the top floors, will be accessible for general public/tourists? I hope it will also work as a lookout tower and will become Shanghai´s Eiffel tower :)

roof is at 565m i think around there is also the observation deck (if you can trust wikipedia on this information)

roof is at 565m i think around there is also the observation deck (if you can trust wikipedia on this information)

thanx for info

When shall the upper Shanghai World Financial Centre observation deck, at 474 m, look up to Shanghai Tower core?
How high is the highest public observation deck of Jin Mao tower?

340m as far as i know ( 88thfloor )

Have you guys ever heard a story about belt truss and sock consumption?


ASFKJGBALSFBKSBASFGIQAWFBSDGJ I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT :wallbash:

They'll go down better with cheese sauce. :lol:

Does anyone know if the Shanghai tower, especially the top floors, will be accessible for general public/tourists? I hope it will also work as a lookout tower and will become Shanghai´s Eiffel tower :)

If the economics in Shanghai are the same as anywhere else (I'm sure they are) they'll certainly set aside some space at the top for observation. Have a read of this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/nyregion/empire-state-building-observation-decks-generate-startling-profits.html?ref=todayspaper

They are empty indeed, the damn Chinese government ordered the towers to light up themselves, in odrer to showcase a dynamic economy. :lol:

That's hardly a stretch and highly believable considering China is building empty ghost cities to enable them to lie about their GDP along with everything else they lie about, fabricate and manipulate. Ahh the many freedoms of communism. Freedoms for the only government that is.

That's hardly a stretch and highly believable considering China is building empty ghost cities to enable them to lie about their GDP along with everything else they lie about, fabricate and manipulate. Ahh the many freedoms of communism. Freedoms for the only government that is.

Did you know that the members of the CCP also eat babies for dinner every day? They also use human bones in the construction of those skyscrapers to make them stronger :D

That's hardly a stretch and highly believable considering China is building empty ghost cities to enable them to lie about their GDP along with everything else they lie about, fabricate and manipulate. Ahh the many freedoms of communism. Freedoms for the only government that is.

I guess all the crowds of people getting off the Metro at Lujiazui every morning are just actors too, right? :|

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The big 4 under construction.

I really like all these towers, hopefully they make it to the top and aren't held up


nice work zhong guo!

This has gotten to the point that I don't have to go to Pudong to see the progress anymore. You can see this building from well within Puxi.

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It looks like the erection hasn´t advanced since November. Will it continue in 2012?

It looks like the erection hasn´t advanced since November. Will it continue in 2012?

What do you mean it hasn't? Go back some pages and you will see.

it is just too bad it is such the bland design...

^^
the art of trolling :lol:

youre just jealous of the Shard so you say i troll.

I can't actually see the third belt yet. It should be close, though.

Did you know that the members of the CCP also eat babies for dinner every day? They also use human bones in the construction of those skyscrapers to make them stronger :D

I see, no wonder that they usually construct these towers during the night.

That's hardly a stretch and highly believable considering China is building empty ghost cities to enable them to lie about their GDP along with everything else they lie about, fabricate and manipulate. Ahh the many freedoms of communism. Freedoms for the only government that is.

lol :lol:

I guess all the crowds of people getting off the Metro at Lujiazui every morning are just actors too, right? :|

Not all of them, but there are evidences showing that some of them are hired by the Chinese government. We also noticed that the lots of cargo ships sailing along Huangpu river were indeed organized by the government in order to show off a prosperous trade economy

What do you mean it hasn't? Go back some pages and you will see.

I think he has mistaken the Shanghai Tower as the small tower in front of the actual ST, ie the Oriental Tower or something like that. That has just began rising.

What's up with all these communist government/empty cities comments? Why haven't they been deleted yet since its not part of this tower construction? Can we open a thread for these empty cities somewhere else?

I think towers like this one gets lets sh*t on sites such as goulumi since people there actually talk construction and not nation vs nation

I've already PMed one of the mods, rest assured if this gets out of hand once again in this thread I will be listing the names and post numbers for the brig and possible ban.

That's hardly a stretch and highly believable considering China is building empty ghost cities to enable them to lie about their GDP along with everything else they lie about, fabricate and manipulate. Ahh the many freedoms of communism. Freedoms for the only government that is.

wow, you have 1,243 posts? Congratulation on your knowledge of this world.:banana:

youre just jealous of the Shard so you say i troll.
you trolls never learn

That's hardly a stretch and highly believable considering China is building empty ghost cities to enable them to lie about their GDP along with everything else they lie about, fabricate and manipulate. Ahh the many freedoms of communism. Freedoms for the only government that is.

U mad bro?

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ST is definitely worth 120 city bucks. :D

I think he has mistaken the Shanghai Tower as the small tower in front of the actual ST, ie the Oriental Tower or something like that. That has just began rising.

What's up with all these communist government/empty cities comments? Why haven't they been deleted yet since its not part of this tower construction? Can we open a thread for these empty cities somewhere else?

I think towers like this one gets lets sh*t on sites such as goulumi since people there actually talk construction and not nation vs nation

It´s clear you want to talk about politics matters but nobody cares. You are embarrassing and boring :)

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amazing pics. Should even be better when ST is completed. :cool:

Hey Is this Building (Shanghai Tower) On hold??
Please Update Me abt The project ....

Hey Is this Building (Shanghai Tower) On hold??
Please Update Me abt The project ....

no its not its progressing fast

ST is definitely worth 120 city bucks. :D

I'd pay the extra 30 to turn the podium into my house

What's with some of the Brits coming onto the page and talking politics? There's a place to talk about whether or not China's economy is staged to a degree and whether there are ghost cities (I think both are true)...but it's not here.

On topic: This tower is really, really cool. When finished, Shanghai's central skyline will remind me of the SimCity boxes, which often had three super tall buildings clustered together in the center of the city.

What's with some of the Brits coming onto the page and talking politics?

Jealousy obviously.

Jealousy obviously.

I suppose, but I don't know what there's to be jealous about. London is arguably the best city on the planet. There's really no need to get worked up about Shanghai haha

Nice progress.:cheers:

Jealousy obviously.

Stupidity more like, which I find embarassing as a Brit myself. :ohno:

What's with some of the Brits coming onto the page and talking politics? There's a place to talk about whether or not China's economy is staged to a degree and whether there are ghost cities (I think both are true)...but it's not here.

On topic: This tower is really, really cool. When finished, Shanghai's central skyline will remind me of the SimCity boxes, which often had three super tall buildings clustered together in the center of the city.

If you ever see a British newspaper or news site talking about China, I would 100% recommend not to read it. I can understand why they come here to talk politic and give opinions.

Anyway, Ping'an International Finance Centre is using the same massive cranes being used on Shanghai Tower. Both projects having the same magnitude. Can't wait for it to start taking shape like Shanghai Tower.

If you ever see a British newspaper or news site talking about China, I would 100% recommend not to read it. I can understand why they come here to talk politic and give opinions.

Same could be said about (local) Hong Kong newspapers. Noone bashes China more than Cantonsese people do. :D And I'm one of them lol. :tongue3:

Nice progress btw, the tower is already visible from various viewpoints.

I'm surprised there's not much information about the giant power generator to be built on top of the tower.

If it's true that it would be some kind of giant wind turbine within a building as I understand, then more credit should be given to Shanghai Tower. If I remember correctly, there's another super tall in China having built-in wind turbines to self generate power. Just can't think of the name at the moment.

I'm surprised there's not much information about the giant power generator to be built on top of the tower.

If it's true that it would be some kind of giant wind turbine within a building as I understand, then more credit should be given to Shanghai Tower. If I remember correctly, there's another super tall in China having built-in wind turbines to self generate power. Just can't think of the name at the moment.

Pearl River Tower in Guangzhou: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=410543

London is arguably the best city on the planet.

NYC is the best city on the planet, London is arguably the SECOND best city on the planet:bash:

China races to construct world's second tallest skyscraper

SHANGHAI, Dec. 28 (Xinhua) -- Work crews have completed the foundation for the world's second tallest building one month ahead of schedule and are now rushing to construct the ground structure of the 632-meter Shanghai Tower, second only to the 828-meter-tall Burj Khalifa in Dubai.

Located in China's financial hub of Shanghai, the building is expected to grow by 400 meters next year, with an average of seven days spent on the construction of each floor, said Kong Qingwei, board chairman of the development firm Shanghai Tower Construction and Development Co. Ltd.

Kong said Wednesday that it took three years to complete the foundation, and he estimated it will take another three to finish the ground structure.

Once completed, the Shanghai Tower will be the tallest structure in China as well as a new Shanghai landmark alongside the 420.5-meter Jin Mao Tower and the 492-meter Shanghai World Financial Center. The three skyscrapers in Shanghai's Lujiazui Financial Zone will be connected by subways.

Kong said the Shanghai Tower will be a "vertical city" as it will house hotels, offices, malls and other facilities and will be capable of holding more than 50,000 people.

NYC is the best city on the planet, London is arguably the SECOND best city on the planet:bash:

Coruscant is better than both.

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It's interesting to see how small the cranes look now, yet the same model crane on the ping an thread is absolutely massive.:)

^^ i thought the same way however in a close up these cranes look quite massive too

One of my favorite super supertalls going up. Can't believe this is nearly as tall as the Tokyo Sky Tree!

There would be three wonderful skyscrapers together. :)

Absolutely.

Quite massive!

Only three more weeks before Chinese New Year, they sure finished strong this year.

With this tower growing up taller and taller, China is getting stronger and stronger. A new superpower is coming!! This is so exciting!! So cool!!!!

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Only three more weeks before Chinese New Year, they sure finished strong this year.

How tall shall Shanghai Tower be by the end of work in Hare Year?

So does anyone know whats happening to the plot next to Jin Mao? Is there going to be an extension or something like that?

Because of Burj Khalifa's long spire,I think ST looks taller than BK.

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:lol::lol:Sorry!

BK is thinner after 300m. ST is more massive.

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sweet, a British car in Shnaghai :banana:

Coruscant is better than both.

:lol:

NYC is the best city on the planet, London is arguably the SECOND best city on the planet:bash:



Coruscant is better than both.

Haha...nice. Shanghai felt like a Coruscant to me, it was beautiful. :cheers:

NYC is the best city on the planet, London is arguably the SECOND best city on the planet:bash:

Tokyo?

Top of the Burj has been knocked off?

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Wonderful skyline.:cheers:

It looks amazing. Shanghai Tower is amazing on its own. Certainly one of the best skyscraper designs ever... however once accompanied by SWFC and Jin Mao, which are by all means also in the leagues of their own, the whole thing just starts to look something on a wholly different level. I say let's face it, this is going to be THE most striking and fascinating place in the world to do with skyscrapers...

Is anyone know the progress now is on planned schedule or not?

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Yeah . The shanghai government try they best to let the tower fast which it build . Happy new year!

Does exist some video with New Year´s fireworks in Shanghai or Shenzhen??
I´ve found just Taipei, Hongkong and Beijing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHNP-bYOrjw

With this tower growing up taller and taller, China is getting stronger and stronger. A new superpower is coming!! This is so exciting!! So cool!!!!
china has quite ways to go before becoming a superpower. but thats a discussion for another thread. anyways, nice tower and nice cluster.

Enjoy this tower's progress people, 'cause the "ultimate holiday" is coming and every construction site will come to a complete stop.

i think its good to the world that superpower will be democratic country and china is not democratic,but tower wery nice

So does anyone know whats happening to the plot next to Jin Mao? Is there going to be an extension or something like that?

I was wondering the same exact thing:

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^^ Its this.... Oriental Financial Center (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1386416)

:cheers:

^^

Thank you Eastern37

That buildings quite nice too. This is goin to be one hell of a skyline :cheers:

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Damn when you put together the photos like that it looks so awesome.

damn this comparison is simply amazing

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Excellent pics and drawing. Thank you!!! Awesome progress!! At this pace, I´d bet the height at the end of 2012 will be more than 400 meters...maybe 500. Congratulations to Shanghai and happy new year!!! :)

^^ Well done guys with diagrams, photos and comparison :) excellent job. Good to see this MONSTER rising so quickly.
P.S. Happy new years to everyone :):)

^^

Excellent pics and drawing. Thank you!!! Awesome progress!! At this pace, I´d bet the height at the end of 2012 will be more than 400 meters...maybe 500. Congratulations to Shanghai and happy new year!!! :)

yeah with that speed it will be over 400m. with 4 to 5 floors in one month. :cheers: we won't reach 500, but 450m would be possible i think :banana:

i think its good to the world that superpower will be democratic country and china is not democratic,but tower wery nice
China is superpower, it´s the second biggest economy in the world, with one of the three most powerful presidents in the world etc. but of course, Chinese dragon will wake up after 2027 :) :lol:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2011/11/21/china-could-overtake-us-by-2027/

Enjoy this tower's progress people, 'cause the "ultimate holiday" is coming and every construction site will come to a complete stop.

What?? Why?

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Here's one that nordschleife posted exactly one year ago. There's a bit of a difference. :lol:

nicely grown from back then

Going up very quickly looking at those pics.
How high will it be this time next year anyone know.

My tipe is 1.1.2013 - 460 - 470 m :)

My bet, they will top out in a year.

My bet, they will top out in a year.

I think that's impossible. Need to build 400+ m more. I think it will be 420 m in a year. :)

it'll slow down now due to the mech floor

I think that's impossible. Need to build 400+ m more. I think it will be 420 m in a year. :)

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If they can manage a floor per 5 day it may happen and the hard part is over, it will become easier and easier...

What?? Why?

Lunar New Year.

Hi all.

Hi Gouken.
Thanks for posting progress drawings by zip.
They give a good visual on where the project is at, using the drawing from Genslers PDF.

Hi Nord.
Great comparison man.
You got the levels lined up perfectly.



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Ray.

What is a belt truss ?

What is a belt truss ?

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The belt trusses have a wider diameter than the normal floors. This creates ST's slightly undulating shape, and helps separate the two layers of cladding. In addition, the tower's indoor parks will be located around the edge of each belt truss. These can thus also function as observation decks.

So, approximately how long will it take to complete this third belt truss? Also, will/can they begin construction of higher level floors before work on the belt truss is finished? Thanks

^^ Obviously they have to finish circular part of the belt truss to go higher, but as you can see they don't wait until its exterior part is completed. See the second belt truss? Its still not completed. They need about 1 month to complete necessary circular part of the belt truss until they can go to the next levels.

I see that as the building increases in height that the concrete core is taking up more and more space because the columns are leaning inwards and everything gets narrower except for the core. I had asked about this earlier and I've assumed that the core would also get smaller because each of the elevators will serve only certain floors and won't go to the top of the building. So what I'm asking is whether the elevator shafts will simply stop once they've reached the height of the last floor that they service which in turn would allow for more office space by reducing the size of the core. The confusing part of such a scenario is that the core would no longer be a perfect square if the shafts ended one at a time and were separated by a number of floors. I hope my question makes sense. Can someone explain this to me. Thanks!

The whole elevator shaft extends one or probably two stories above its highest served floor, this space is occupied by each car's equipment. The core get's indeed smaller, taking an octagonal shape at the middle and then a cross like at the top. The passenger elevator banks that serve the upper floors are located near the middle of the core, as well as the service cars and emergency stairwells.

What is a belt truss ?

On simple terms it's a mech floor

Well, I've perused a fair bit of the thread and waited until the design was all but confirmed before chiming in. Thus far my best emotional response to this design is... meh?

I'm not normally into the organic-themed structures, which seem such a gimmick to me for a man-made structure trying to dominate a landscape. But I'm accepting the verve to be different, unique, and experiment with new forms and spaces. To that end I wonder if this design doesn't push the envelope enough regarding such forms, as to me it feels half-hearted with these undulations. Perhaps if there was a stronger base and crown reinforcing the twisting and warping of the forms, or exterior elements that accentuated the movement of the structure, I would be more enthralled. Instead I'm looking at it and simply asking "Why?"

It's not bad, but as a hearty critic of the Burj Khalifa I find that design much more engaging than this stray tentacle. Maybe there will be more revealed as the base and interior common areas are revealed. Maybe the interior gardens and open spaces will prove more appealing and impressive once fully realized. For now the simple form isn't enough to move me (ironically).

As an engineering feet it's fairly impressive, and in that degree arguably more impressive than the BK. The tonality and material of the exterior seems a good play against the other skyscrapers in the district, and it's overall massing will play well in the skyline. Again, there I wish the crown had more play to it, but it appears the designers are going for mass for mass' sake.

Not among my favorite of the supertalls, but definitely original and (presumably) more than meeting the bill for the clients' uses. Good luck with the progress, and I look forward to seeing it completed.

:cheers:

Should we expect a reduction in the core size soon?

Should we expect a reduction in the core size soon?

After every trustbelt the general floor size shrinks a bit, so i could imagine the core shrinking at the same time. the question only is at which trust belt it will :cheers:

Maybe this will help.

Slots can be shared since not every elevator goes from the ground, to the top floor.

This should be illustrative:

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It doesn't look bad, but I have been annoyed from the beginning that it overshadows both Jin Mao and SIFC, that in my opinion are more beautiful then Shanghai Super Tower. It would look better if built some blocks further away from the other supertalls on Pudong.

It doesn't look bad, but I have been annoyed from the beginning that it overshadows both Jin Mao and SIFC, that in my opinion are more beautiful then Shanghai Super Tower. It would look better if built some blocks further away from the other supertalls on Pudong.
People said similar things about SWFC blocking the view of Jin Mao when it was being built. And look at them now, both fit together so nicely and elegant like two brothers. Soon they will have a third brother.

People said similar things about SWFC blocking the view of Jin Mao when it was being built. And look at them now, both fit together so nicely and elegant like two brothers. Soon they will have a third brother.

I appreciate the Shanghai Tower and I like the SWFC. But I'm completely in love with Jin Mao. It doesn't matter to me that it's to going to be the shortest of the "3 giants", it still remains the most beautiful tower in Shanghai and one of the most elegant towers in the world.

Nice progress btw, it's really catching up to 1WTC now. :cheers2:

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^^ stunning photos :nuts:

^^ On the 4th pic you can see the construction become a bit smaller upwars.

That core is taken too much space of the floor plate!

The steel structure will rise to 632m wrapped around a 565.6 metre tall central concrete core. In total it will have 127 stories, a gross internal area of 558,806 square metres with interior space will be given over to offices, a luxury hotel and retail.

over 60 footballfields of floorspace sounds a lot to me

^^ On the 4th pic you can see the construction become a bit smaller upwars.

Well it will get thinner as it rises.

I can't believe how tall this one is already. And it still has a long way to go!

Nice progress:cheers::cheers:

The construction seems to be slower now, or i'm wrong?

Nice progress on the little wall at the street. xD
Also it seems the parking cars in the front doesn't moved at all. ^^

The construction seems to be slower now, or i'm wrong?

They are working on the mechanical floors.

The previous truss belt was done in a particularly short time. This one is taking a little longer indeed.

this is growing sooooo fast!! When is it supposed to be completed? Still 2014?

Are there any already completed towers with an inner glass facade, followed by empty space/greenspace, followed by another layer of glass curtain just like this tower? Because I'm really curious how such a tower would look like when it is reflecting direct sunlight in real life (I don't know how accurate the existing renders of ST really are in this regard).

Hi all.

Are there any already completed towers with an inner glass facade, followed by empty space/greenspace, followed by another layer of glass curtain just like this tower? Because I'm really curious how such a tower would look like when it is reflecting direct sunlight in real life (I don't know how accurate the existing renders of ST really are in this regard).

Hi Bob.

Check out The Bow in Calgary.

:cheers:
Ray.

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Hi all.



Hi Bob.

Check out The Bow in Calgary.

:cheers:
Ray.

Thanks for the reply Ray :) I really like the glass facade on the Bow, so this bodes well for ST!

It's pretty awesome to seen from this angel. More better if Shanghai Tower has finish.... :banana: :banana: :banana:

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The steel structure will rise to 632m wrapped around a 565.6 metre tall central concrete core. In total it will have 127 stories, a gross internal area of 558,806 square metres with interior space will be given over to offices, a luxury hotel and retail.

over 60 footballfields of floorspace sounds a lot to me

Anyone has any idea if floorspace estimates usually include cross-sectional area of walls, columns and elevators,...? Or is it just empty, usable space?

usable space only i believe.

Floor space in office buildings is the space that the tenants can organize freely I think.

This is a very great tower, it will be very iconic in the future.

does anyone have a render of what this will look like from ground level looking up with jm and swfc in the background?

There is a possibility that it might be just over a 100 floor and within 3 months to topping out this time next year!

I agree, maybe about 500 m height

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+1 beautiful pic :)

Shangai is so over the top, it puts ny to shame. It's like a mini coruscant.

Please.

I'm not the guy that continues a city vs city post, but that's just idiotic. Shanghai will never have anything close to the density and amount of skyscrapers/highrises NY has. Have three supertall projects next to each other does not put NY to shame, which will soon have it's own three supertalls (and one almost supertall) right next to each other at the WTC, and the West side of Manhattan alone could rival all of Pudong in about 15 years.

I love Shanghai and I love Shanghai Tower, but please think before you say stupid things.

Awesome! :cheers:

Please.

I'm not the guy that continues a city vs city post, but that's just idiotic. Shanghai will never have anything close to the density and amount of skyscrapers/highrises NY has. Have three supertall projects next to each other does not put NY to shame, which will soon have it's own three supertalls (and one almost supertall) right next to each other at the WTC, and the West side of Manhattan alone could rival all of Pudong in about 15 years.

I love Shanghai and I love Shanghai Tower, but please think before you say stupid things.

Why is "density" put as some kind of advantage? All it shows is the inadequacy of planning which results in cramped urbanization and problems with traffic and public transport. Shanghai (or most other large Chinese cities for that matter) have much beter planning and development vision. They could stick many more buildings in Pudong and make "dense". But they won't because that's not a good idea. It may have been a standard back in the 30's but today it's not as isn't riding the horse carts on the streets. It may look nice, heart-warming to some but it's a thing of the past and by no means something to put as an advantage when talking of the modern days.

I don't think Shanghai have much better planning than NYC but this thread is not about that, so please stay on topic.

How long is the holiday for the workers now when the springs festival kicks in?

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Why is "density" put as some kind of advantage? All it shows is the inadequacy of planning which results in cramped urbanization and problems with traffic and public transport. Shanghai (or most other large Chinese cities for that matter) have much beter planning and development vision. They could stick many more buildings in Pudong and make "dense". But they won't because that's not a good idea. It may have been a standard back in the 30's but today it's not as isn't riding the horse carts on the streets. It may look nice, heart-warming to some but it's a thing of the past and by no means something to put as an advantage when talking of the modern days.

Its the same idea as the media with people's body images. It has to be skinny to look good. So in skyline terms, it has to be dense to look good.

I think capital gains and highly valued land will force this Pudong area to expand inwards. Jin Mao is expanding, and they plan to put more restaurants and shops along the river as well. They really need more commercial/retail space in between the area. This is true. But it has nothing to do with density.

In Perth, we have a financial street full of buildings built one next to another. The result of that is many entrances one after another. its soulless, because it has no retail/restaurants, hence to a non working person, its a bland place.

How long is the holiday for the workers now when the springs festival kicks in?

I think two weeks or one week at least. But because, like Christmas in the West, the holiday period varies, so some companies/ construction starts before others while others have longer holidays etc.

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Excellent views! Thx!

Congretulation. Great.

Why is "density" put as some kind of advantage? All it shows is the inadequacy of planning which results in cramped urbanization and problems with traffic and public transport. Shanghai (or most other large Chinese cities for that matter) have much beter planning and development vision. They could stick many more buildings in Pudong and make "dense". But they won't because that's not a good idea. It may have been a standard back in the 30's but today it's not as isn't riding the horse carts on the streets. It may look nice, heart-warming to some but it's a thing of the past and by no means something to put as an advantage when talking of the modern days.

You really think Shanghai is a shining example of urban planning, especially in regard to Lujiazui? Dear lord...

You really think Shanghai is a shining example of urban planning, especially in regard to Lujiazui? Dear lord...

I have never said that (I have yet to experience Lujiazui in person) but it certainly is better than some examples that were mentioned here. It's not about "I like it better" but rather what makes better sense in practical terms without prejudice or bias. I mean ffs, just look at the map and try to see some sense in it. Extreme density of buildings is a result of inadequacy, shortages (of land, for instance) and other negative factors, not because it's better in terms of urban planning. Shanghai doesn't (or not yet at least) have some of those problems, hence it doesn't need to take such measures.

Why is "density" put as some kind of advantage? All it shows is the inadequacy of planning which results in cramped urbanization and problems with traffic and public transport. Shanghai (or most other large Chinese cities for that matter) have much beter planning and development vision. They could stick many more buildings in Pudong and make "dense". But they won't because that's not a good idea. It may have been a standard back in the 30's but today it's not as isn't riding the horse carts on the streets. It may look nice, heart-warming to some but it's a thing of the past and by no means something to put as an advantage when talking of the modern days.

Shanghai is hardly a shining example of urban planning in China....ChonQing offers much more. Shanghai is great (it has a vibrant personality) but it has a but if an identity crisis.

I lived in Shanghai and its just as dense as any other major city...we're looking at Lujiazui which is still virtually in the preliminary stages of what it will be become. Just look at the plans, they're going for high density....

And the you're point doesn't make sense...cities with high density became that way unintentionally (space constraints, convenience) rather than intentionality (it looks ” good”).

Shanghai has a long way to go before it's ”international” and has a strong identity. It's not even in Seoul's range in that aspect....

I lived in Shanghai and its just as dense as any other major city...we're looking at Lujiazui which is still virtually in the preliminary stages of what it will be become. Just look at the plans, they're going for high density....

Which plans are you talking about? I thought all the plots in Lujiazui were pretty much full...I wouldn't call that 'preliminary stages'

Which plans are you talking about? I thought all the plots in Lujiazui were pretty much full...I wouldn't call that 'preliminary stages'

"Lujiazui" isn't just the river front...it's that whole entire district. I've been there, and I'm telling you most of the planned development has not happened. It's all in the city's urban planning museum.

*I'll just post photos later as I'm not on my laptop.

Just south of Lujiazui plan

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http://www.gaoloumi.com/viewthread.php?tid=154693

You really think Shanghai is a shining example of urban planning, especially in regard to Lujiazui? Dear lord...

At leasrt it is superior to Hong Kong Island :lol:

^^ Yea right. You wanna talk about the 30's. China still used the Athens charter as a model for urban planning. That is an absolute disaster. Thats the main problem with LJZ, Beijing and many newly built cities in China, They use lifeless wide un-crossable streets, huge blocks, insular confinement of retail (ifc pudong, jianwai soho etc.) Waste of space greenspace (im all for greenspace, I mean little flower beds and shrubs that get in the way of the entrance of a building)

The Athens charter is a model based on highrise living with giant roadways and separation of functions (ie. retail, office, commercial ) the Athens charter is responsible for horrible developments all over America in the 60's and 70's, and continuing in Europe and Asia well into today. It is the bane of any livable 21st century city. However this is still used in Chinese urban planning circles to this day.

Nice photos.

What are those two sharp and tall looking buildings in the middle? Are they under construction or is there a time set for ground work to begin?

30-storey Skyscraper built within 15 days...mission impossible?
No...nothing is impossible in China.
This one was constructed by the Chinese Home-grown manufacturing Giant the Broad Group. They should let this company build Shanghai Tower in the first place. :lol:

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^^ thats insane! fast and strong now they should make a supertall in a month

They should let this company build Shanghai Tower in the first place. :lol:



If they were building st it would look like a giant box instead of how it meant to be. I see many people still don't get that this technique (even if working for these heights) forces certain boxy design. So nope, I wouldn't want them to build this one ;).

No pal, just no. The workload and structural requirements for a higher tower are becoming exponentially higher as well. You really can't extrapolate this building pace to a supertall level, impossible. It's not just the shape, everything is prefabricated there, so the actual time the construction takes is longer as well. It's just that everything is put together works pretty fast of course.

Shanghai is hardly a shining example of urban planning in China....ChonQing offers much more. Shanghai is great (it has a vibrant personality) but it has a but if an identity crisis.

I lived in Shanghai and its just as dense as any other major city...we're looking at Lujiazui which is still virtually in the preliminary stages of what it will be become. Just look at the plans, they're going for high density....

And the you're point doesn't make sense...cities with high density became that way unintentionally (space constraints, convenience) rather than intentionality (it looks ” good”).

Shanghai has a long way to go before it's ”international” and has a strong identity. It's not even in Seoul's range in that aspect....
Think before speaking. What has Chongqing to offer in terms of international standard that Shanghai hasnt? Shanghai is a world center of finance, entertainment and culture. You say Shanghai is as dense as any other major city? I'm beginning to wonder if you've ever lived in Shanghai at all or just stayed at some gnarly hotel in Lujiazui. The latter seems more reliable in your case.

Shanghai isnt dense, but it basically has skyscrapers everywhere (not just in Lujiazui) which is very unusual for "any other" city. It has a huge amount of famous landmarks so I dont know where you're getting this whole "identity crisis" from. It's identity and history is superb.

Taken from my apartment in Shanghai

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thx for the shot lowai :). you seem to have a great view to Shanghai Tower :)

^^wow fantastic! what an excellent first post :)
Is that a recent photograph of the 3rd truss belt level? If so I can't believe they have already completed it!

^^
It's the second one, and those photos are taken about three months ago.

Think before speaking. What has Chongqing to offer in terms of international standard that Shanghai hasnt? Shanghai is a world center of finance, entertainment and culture. You say Shanghai is as dense as any other major city? I'm beginning to wonder if you've ever lived in Shanghai at all or just stayed at some gnarly hotel in Lujiazui. The latter seems more reliable in your case.

Shanghai isnt dense, but it basically has skyscrapers everywhere (not just in Lujiazui) which is very unusual for "any other" city. It has a huge amount of famous landmarks so I dont know where you're getting this whole "identity crisis" from. It's identity and history is superb.

You misunderstood me...I'm NOT saying Chongqing is more "international." I'm saying the developmental style in ChongQing is much more cohesive than certain areas in Shanghai. I agree, that that is only my opinion. I wasn't trying to say it is "FACT."

But you mashed that together with my OTHER point; Shanghai is still creating an identity. I'm not talking about history...or having historical elements. I'm talking about a city that doesn't seem to have carved a definite place for itself yet (in terms of international space). I'm not bashing the city...jesus. But literally every young Chinese kid I speak with, doesn't view Shanghai in that way yet...it has opportunities, but it's missing a lot of cultural (mostly because Beijing gobbles all that up). And no, I'm not saying it has NO culture...

And no, actually, I didn't live in a "gnarly hotel" in LJZ...I lived in a normal apartment in Yangpu. Shanghai is dense...There are probably more people in Yangpu, than in my entire STATE in the US. I don't know why we associate huge high rises with density...Nor does "density" mean that buildings are COMPLETELY sandwiched together.

Just south of Lujiazui plan

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http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6268/lujizuieastwardsexpansi.jpg

http://www.gaoloumi.com/viewthread.php?tid=154693

Thanks! :)

You misunderstood me...I'm NOT saying Chongqing is more "international." I'm saying the developmental style in ChongQing is much more cohesive than certain areas in Shanghai. I agree, that that is only my opinion. I wasn't trying to say it is "FACT."

But you mashed that together with my OTHER point; Shanghai is still creating an identity. I'm not talking about history...or having historical elements. I'm talking about a city that doesn't seem to have carved a definite place for itself yet (in terms of international space). I'm not bashing the city...jesus. But literally every young Chinese kid I speak with, doesn't view Shanghai in that way yet...it has opportunities, but it's missing a lot of cultural (mostly because Beijing gobbles all that up). And no, I'm not saying it has NO culture...

And no, actually, I didn't live in a "gnarly hotel" in LJZ...I lived in a normal apartment in Yangpu. Shanghai is dense...There are probably more people in Yangpu, than in my entire STATE in the US. I don't know why we associate huge high rises with density...Nor does "density" mean that buildings are COMPLETELY sandwiched together.
Chongqing's skyline only looks good because of its steepy terrain. If the land was flat like Shanghai they would never have built the buildings to close to each other.

Shanghai is not creating an identity, it is reclaiming and rebuilding its past identity as the center of Asia. It is an extremely international city, almost on the same level as Hong Kong (even though I hate that comparison). It's no coincidence that Shanghai has far more professional overseas expats than Beijing, the whole city is basically one big concession. At the same time, Shanghai's culture is thriving outside its gated communities. What has Beijing to offer except more underground rock bands? Nothing.

BTW, it would be quite interesting to hear where your Chinese friends are from.

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Chongqing's skyline only looks good because of its steepy terrain. If the land was flat like Shanghai they would never have built the buildings to close to each other.

Shanghai is not creating an identity, it is reclaiming and rebuilding its past identity as the center of Asia. It is an extremely international city, almost on the same level as Hong Kong (even though I hate that comparison). It's no coincidence that Shanghai has far more professional overseas expats than Beijing, the whole city is basically one big concession. At the same time, Shanghai's culture is thriving outside its gated communities. What has Beijing to offer except more underground rock bands? Nothing.

BTW, it would be quite interesting to hear where your Chinese friends are from.


Shanghai sure is getting more and more populair here. I just found out that FIVE of my friends (from Amsterdam) will al be in Shanghai at the SAME time and we didn't even plan it together. :nuts:

Some are going for work, others for an internship or school. I guess it's a good excuse to join them :D :cheers:

Sanghai crece cada día!!!

Me gusta la Sanghai Tower!

Chongqing's skyline only looks good because of its steepy terrain. If the land was flat like Shanghai they would never have built the buildings to close to each other.

Shanghai is not creating an identity, it is reclaiming and rebuilding its past identity as the center of Asia. It is an extremely international city, almost on the same level as Hong Kong (even though I hate that comparison). It's no coincidence that Shanghai has far more professional overseas expats than Beijing, the whole city is basically one big concession. At the same time, Shanghai's culture is thriving outside its gated communities. What has Beijing to offer except more underground rock bands? Nothing.

BTW, it would be quite interesting to hear where your Chinese friends are from.

Sichuan, Hebei, GuangDong, Heilongjiang...they don't hate Shanghai, just aren't completely giddy about it (not like I'd imagine similar aged kids in the US to be about New York)

I'm not saying Shanghai has no international appeal, just that it has not completely reached the highest level (London, Tokyo, Seoul) yet. Also, the city is very (relative to others in the country) young, and I think in the near future we'll see it reach its potential.

I'm aware of Shanghai's history, but take, for instance, the fact that there are about 2 million foreign residents in Korea, whereas China only has an expat community of 1 million...(that's the total number in Seoul alone)

Okay, pointless figure, right? I agree, the significance isn't in the direct comparison of the numbers (one is bigger/better than the other), but the implication. Given the attention the Chinese market (Shanghai) has been getting, that number should, and will be, much larger. Especially when you remember the huge difference in populations (ie market size) between Korea and China.

Based upon this, I don't consider Shanghai to have reached it's potential yet, as I don't think it has passed this threshold (it's not completely "open," which is important in an INTERNATIONAL city). Most of that has to do with visa policy (it's virtually impossible to become a permanent resident in China) and the fact that the government, for good reason, is putting a tight[er in comparison to other world cities] cap on the inflow of foreign professionals.

And my point about Beijing is that it has a habit of snatching up all the big cultural venues...there's no large, comprehensive, art galleries, museums, etc. in Shanghai.

I guess, I'm thinking of "international" in terms of the character of the city, not purely economic terms. So, in my humble opinion, I consider Shanghai to be a "World City" but not yet an" international" one (or, maybe the problem is that I'm differentiating those two terms? ). Shanghai has already reached the economic goal, but it's still grasping for the former.

Anyways, I'm excited for this building, love Shanghai, and didn't mean to get off topic.

whereas China only has an expat community of 1 million...(that's the total number in Seoul alone)


"As of June 2011, 281,780 foreigners were located in Seoul. Of them, 186,631 foreigners (66%) were People's Republic of China citizens of Korean ethnicity ...[...]... The next largest group consisted of PRC citizens who are not of Korean ethnicity; 29,901 of them resided in Seoul. The next highest group consisted of the 9,999 United States citizens."
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul#Demographics)

Almost 80% of the 281,780 foreigners (you can hardly include these in the 'expat community') in Seoul are Chinese people. The vast majority of these have migrated for ethnic reasons (being of Korean ethnicity), and as they really are Korean-- they may not even be considered 'foreigners' in the first place. And a large chunk of the remaining ~65,000 are probably not 'expats' either. Hong Kong (the Indonesian and Philippino maids alone may outnumber the total number of foreigners in Seoul) , Singapore, Shanghai and Tokyo have the largest expat communities in Asia. That 1 million figure for Seoul is ludicrous.

I would go as far to say that there are more Koreans, Japanese and Taiwanese alone in Shanghai than the total amount of foreigners in Seoul. There might even be more Taiwanese people in Shanghai than the total amount of foreigners in Seoul as there are figures stating that as much as 5%, or 1.2 million, of the Taiwanese population live in the PRC-- most in the YRD (Shanghai metro) and the Fujian province. On top of this you have a massive European and North American presence, as well as tens of thousands of Africans, Russians, Central Asians and South East Asians.

I agree though that Shanghai definitely has yet to reach its full potential.

"As of June 2011, 281,780 foreigners were located in Seoul. Of them, 186,631 foreigners (66%) were People's Republic of China citizens of Korean ethnicity ...[...]... The next largest group consisted of PRC citizens who are not of Korean ethnicity; 29,901 of them resided in Seoul. The next highest group consisted of the 9,999 United States citizens."
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul#Demographics)

Almost 80% of the 281,780 foreigners (you can hardly include these in the 'expat community') in Seoul are Chinese people. The vast majority of these have migrated for ethnic reasons (being of Korean ethnicity), and as they really are Korean-- they may not even be considered 'foreigners' in the first place. And a large chunk of the remaining ~65,000 are probably not 'expats' either. Hong Kong (the Indonesian and Philippino maids alone may outnumber the total number of foreigners in Seoul) , Singapore, Shanghai and Tokyo have the largest expat communities in Asia. That 1 million figure for Seoul is ludicrous.

I would go as far to say that there are more Koreans, Japanese and Taiwanese alone in Shanghai than the total amount of foreigners in Seoul. There might even be more Taiwanese people in Shanghai than the total amount of foreigners in Seoul as there are figures stating that as much as 5%, or 1.2 million, of the Taiwanese population live in the PRC-- most in the YRD (Shanghai metro) and the Fujian province. On top of this you have a massive European and North American presence, as well as tens of thousands of Africans, Russians, Central Asians and South East Asians.

I agree though that Shanghai definitely has yet to reach its full potential.

Well there you go, I must have remembered that data incorrectly. There is so much information, much of conflicting, that I can't keep track sometimes...

I wasn't trying to say there aren't a lot of foreigners in Shanghai, just that they are usually not permanent residents, and that they still constitute a small portion of the city's population and so seem to not yet have contributed a lot to certain aspects of city life (dining, cultural venues, etc).

*Now I'm really curious to remember why I thought there was 1 million in Seoul...so weird. But yeah, most of them ARE Chinese, I'll give you that.
**Edit: I see what happened, I confused the numbers in my memory it's 1 million total in Korea, and like 250,000 in Seoul.

But I hope my reasoning still makes some sense? Just that I don't think Shanghai has reached the point where it needs to to be international (mostly in openness and being shaped more by international forces). So it seems I just made the mistake of separating the idea of a "world city" and an "international city." So from now on, I will just think of it as the latter, since it clearly is (even by my OWN definition).

See? This is why these discussions are helpful, I learned a lesson today.

3% of the population of Korea is foriegn born.

Why does places like Shanghai need to be International? Why can't it just thrive on its own. The last thing we need in this world is another over-rated stereotyped city to pop up and annoy us.

All this London, Paris, Tokyo thing is so yesterday.......

I'm not saying the cities themselves are dated, but the why they have been represented in the international media is so revolting. I'd hate to see Shanghai be added to that list.

Shanghai should head towards the Hong Kong, Singapore type status. They are popular, outstanding, industrious yet aren't thrown in our face.

I hope you guys get what I mean. Trying to manufacture yet another International cityis dated and is not what we need. People should go to Shanghai for the Shanghai stuff and nothing else.

They don't need foreigners to make it international. It just needs to stand out on its own!!!!

^^
Well, Singapore is highly international, and has a foreign population of like 40%. It is certainly the model contemporary international city (as is Melbourne, where I live-- a great city but there certainly isn't anything unique in terms of culture or style).

I'd rather Shanghai go the way of Tokyo (or Seoul for that matter) and stay unique and Chinese whilst adopting successful aspects from elsewhere.

Out of the current population of Shanghai, how many are:
native Wu speakers?
Mandarin speaking aliens from China?
aliens speaking Chinese languages other than Wu or Mandarin (i. e. Min, Cantonese etc.)?
aliens speaking tongues of non-Chinese people native to China?
aliens from outside China?

Out of the current population of Shanghai, how many are:
native Wu speakers?
Mandarin speaking aliens from China?
aliens speaking Chinese languages other than Wu or Mandarin (i. e. Min, Cantonese etc.)?
aliens speaking tongues of non-Chinese people native to China?
aliens from outside China?

wikipedia says: 98.8% Of Shanghai's residents are of the Han Chinese ethnicity, while 1.2% belong to various minority groups.

so I guess it's mostly han chinese.

^^
I'd rather Shanghai go the way of Tokyo (or Seoul for that matter) and stay unique and Chinese whilst adopting successful aspects from elsewhere.

You have Beijing to go the way of Tokyo or Seoul as a uniquely modern Chinese city. Shanghai was founded as a foreign concession and it would only make sense for it to go the way of Hong Kong/Singapore, or possibly even New York. I mean New York has to be by far the most un-American city in the U.S.

So I guess the sock consumption is a no go. :(

Why does places like Shanghai need to be International? Why can't it just thrive on its own. The last thing we need in this world is another over-rated stereotyped city to pop up and annoy us.

All this London, Paris, Tokyo thing is so yesterday.......

I'm not saying the cities themselves are dated, but the why they have been represented in the international media is so revolting. I'd hate to see Shanghai be added to that list.

Shanghai should head towards the Hong Kong, Singapore type status. They are popular, outstanding, industrious yet aren't thrown in our face.

I hope you guys get what I mean. Trying to manufacture yet another International cityis dated and is not what we need. People should go to Shanghai for the Shanghai stuff and nothing else.

They don't need foreigners to make it international. It just needs to stand out on its own!!!!

I don't know why a city having foreigners makes it gentrified or lacking in terms of cultural integrity.

My point is that if Shanghai wants to become an international city, it's got a ways to go...mainly by addressing this idea of foreigners being a threat...or a bad thing.

I don't think any city NEEDS foreigners, but if you want to build an international city, you obviously need an open environment in which everyone (whether Chinese or not) can engage. The idea of a city being international just engenders some idea of it being mobile as opposed to static, and able to be forward thinking (as a result of having a large cross-section of ideas flowing freely)

Hong Kong is like THE epitome of an international city....it's an expat haven.

Can we take this of topic stuff somewhere else, it's really getting annoying for people like me who come here for thinking theres updates but instead we see this shit :ohno:

:cheers2:

Seems that a Saudi Company (Saudi Shanhae Center) will build 280m twins close to ST. I'll try and post more info later. Anybody else confirm?

Seems that a Saudi Company (Saudi Shanhae Center) will build 280m twins close to ST. I'll try and post more info later. Anybody else confirm?

I guess you mean developers and investors of those buildings are from Saudi Arabia?
Haha, for a while I was thinking a Saudi construction company would be responsible for construction. It would be really interesting if a foreign company takes up the heavy duty, since China already has great construction infrastructures and and lots of construction companies are really experienced in large projects. A foreign architecture firm wouldn't be a surprise but certainly not from Saudi Arabia. :lol:

Seems that a Saudi Company (Saudi Shanhae Center) will build 280m twins close to ST. I'll try and post more info later. Anybody else confirm?

Thank you for bringing the thread back to the topic. Interesting development.

They are very high. Nice.

From Today's BBC News:

Skyscrapers 'linked with impending financial crashes'

There is an "unhealthy correlation" between the building of skyscrapers and subsequent financial crashes, according to Barclays Capital.

Examples include the Empire State building, built as the Great Depression was under way, and the current world's tallest, the Burj Khalifa, built just before Dubai almost went bust.

China is currently the biggest builder of skyscrapers, the bank said.

India also has 14 skyscrapers under construction.

"Often the world's tallest buildings are simply the edifice of a broader skyscraper building boom, reflecting a widespread misallocation of capital and an impending economic correction," Barclays Capital analysts said.
World's tallest buildings
Name Where Height Use

Source: Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat

Burj Khalifa


Dubai


828m (2,717ft)


Offices, homes, hotel

Taipei 101


Taipei


508m (1,667ft)


Offices

Shanghai World Financial Center


Shanghai


492m (1,614ft)


Hotel, offices

Int'l Commerce Centre


Hong Kong


484m (1,588ft)


Hotel, offices

Petronas Towers 1&2


Kuala Lumpur


452m (1,483ft)


Offices

The bank noted that the world's first skyscraper, the Equitable Life building in New York, was completed in 1873 and coincided with a five-year recession. It was demolished in 1912.

Other examples include Chicago's Willis Tower (which was formerly known as the Sears Tower) in 1974, just as there was an oil shock and the US dollar's peg to gold was abandoned.

And Malaysia's Petronas Towers in 1997, which coincided with the Asian financial crisis.

The findings might be a concern for Londoners, who are currently seeing the construction of what will be Western Europe's tallest building, the Shard.

That will be 1,017ft (310m) tall on completion.

China bubble?
The 27-storey Antilia, the newly-built residence of Reliance Industries chairman Mukesh Ambani, is seen in Mumbai on October 19, 2010. The 27-storey home of one Indian family in Mumbai

Investors should be most concerned about China, which is currently building 53% of all the tall buildings in the world, the bank said.

A lending boom following the global financial crisis in 2008 pushed prices higher in the world's second largest economy.

In a separate report, JPMorgan Chase said that the Chinese property market could drop by as much as 20% in value in the country's major cities within the next 12 to 18 months.

In India, billionaire Mukesh Ambani built his own skyscraper in Mumbai - a 27-storey residence believed to be the world's most expensive home.

Local newspapers said the house required 600 members of staff to maintain it. Reports suggest the residence is worth more than $1bn (£630m).

"Today India has only two of the world's 276 skyscrapers over 240m in height, yet over the next five years it intends to complete 14 new skyscrapers," according to Barclays Capital.

Barclays Capital's Skyscraper Index has been published every year since 1999.

from gaoloumi: We should open a thread!
http://i.imgur.com/hTtv8.jpg
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I really should have paid attention to the very first sentence. If I did, then I would not have read half of the article.

Don't get why people would believe BBC. They have proven on many occasions that they bash other nations, particularly China. Why can't they just write half truthful stories like other news outlets rather than pure fiction?

Are people in England not smart enough to realise after so many 'China bubble' years that there probably won't be a bubble coming because the Chinese government burst it?

Taken from my apartment in Shanghai

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35558490@N08/6666199149/

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7015/6666199149_8f5a1d62b8_b.jpg

Yes this was taken in October as the second belt truss was going in.

I had to return to UK for hospital treatment and found this website an excellent way of reminding me of 'home'.

I will post more when I return to Shanghai

From the picture, the safety seem doing good right?

it's now so tall

it's now so tall

Yeah, unbelievable.

In Perth, we have a financial street full of buildings built one next to another. The result of that is many entrances one after another. its soulless, because it has no retail/restaurants, hence to a non working person, its a bland place.


You're talking about the St George's Terrace area right? I think that area is way more 'lively' and 'bustling' that that of the current atmosphere in Lujiazui. It's much more dense and although there aren't exactly little shops everywhere there (which there actually are a few), it still has a very city like atmosphere.

I just hope Lujiazui in the future will decrease the large plots and add more skyscrapers there as well as shops and stuff in between. Just my opinion!

It's not lively at all. It's just people sqeezed within one long road.

I guess you like dense, but Shanghai and almost everyelse in China, dense skylines/areas also means large crowds. We don't have that sort of crowd as Shanghai does.

Plus, almost all the towers in Pudong is a gem. I would hate for to be squished all together, just because its dense. Do you know how sad that would be?

I'm already not liking the fact that Jin Mao can not be seen completely from the Bund. Its less powerful now than it was when you could see the base of the tower.

Don't even start on the BHP building. Perth already has a small skyline and the thought of building a super ugly version of that green building in Shenzhen right in front of a half decent-almost skyscraper central park is just......OMG

It's not lively at all. It's just people sqeezed within one long road.

I guess you like dense, but Shanghai and almost everyelse in China, dense skylines/areas also means large crowds. We don't have that sort of crowd as Shanghai does.

Plus, almost all the towers in Pudong is a gem. I would hate for to be squished all together, just because its dense. Do you know how sad that would be?

I'm already not liking the fact that Jin Mao can not be seen completely from the Bund. Its less powerful now than it was when you could see the base of the tower.

Don't even start on the BHP building. Perth already has a small skyline and the thought of building a super ugly version of that green building in Shenzhen right in front of a half decent-almost skyscraper central park is just......OMG

Okay, it's probably not lively compared to other world cities but for Australia, let alone Perth, I think it's quite vibrant. Not just the St Georges area but the surrounding Wellington St, Hay St etc...

Haha, I agree with the BHP building. The one chance and time that Perth gets a significant skyscraper - it blocks the other skyscraper making the skyline have once again 2 skyscrapers... ahh Perth. Nonetheless I think it's better than nothing that there is progress and development.

I do indeed like density but I also agree with the fact that if there are too many supertall skyscrapers packed in Lujiazui then each one wouldn't be significant. Yes the Jin Mao tower isn't as 'powerful' anymore from some viewing angles due to the looming SFWC. But if there were many mid-skyscrapers that dot the gaps inbetween, it would be great. Sort of like HK (yes, I know, another HK comparison, but see how the 2IFC tower is so prominent although the entire front of HK Island is just dense dense dense full of highrises. As is Bank of China and the other few supertalls?)

I know that Shanghai Tower would bring even more vibrancy to Lujiazui.

This bitch is rising quickly. :cheers:

They are building so quickly.

from gaoloumi:


http://i.imgur.com/ofnWC.jpg

And where would be these 2 fantastic towers?

By me

http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/8d3f60d4gw1dp17hq1cwij.jpg

http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/large/8d3f60d4gw1dp16lzx25mj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ofnWC.jpg

is there any more info on these towers? Is there a thread? Looks like a whole new upcoming skyscraper thread/discussion/excitement addition for Shanghai!!

By me

http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/8d3f60d4gw1dp17hq1cwij.jpg

http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/large/8d3f60d4gw1dp16lzx25mj.jpg


Nice pictures

very nice. :cool:

Stunning photos at night!

Awesome shots, nord! I miss shanghai :(

Me too! Thanks for the pictures of the best city in the world,

Well, compare with New York City, Shanghai still need to work out on its soft power.

Take a look at the Iphone 4S there, it was unbearable.

Shanghai has all it's buildings, but it takes times to catch with New York.

Thanks.

^^This is how city vs city wars start.

Once a person reaches a certain age, he or she should realize that one's favorite is not another person's favorite.

haha some one will get head shott'd here. can we see some updates?

Well, compare with New York City, Shanghai still need to work out on its soft power.

Take a look at the Iphone 4S there, it was unbearable.

:troll:

stop debating
none Chinese think Shanghai is comparable to Newyork
long long way to go!
Here is just a place to talk about skyscrapers

i agree with GIGIGAGA. ;)
pls come back to the topic

Just south of Lujiazui plan

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3020/11111922402690ad8e6e1cd.jpg

http://www.gaoloumi.com/viewthread.php?tid=154693
No mather how far in the future is the plan, the "red roofs" next to SWFC are there to stay. :lol:

By Giovanni Micheletto (http://www.flickr.com/people/gufoastuto/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7035/6695392877_62f9c75298_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gufoastuto/6695392877/sizes/l/in/photostream/

^^and a pro photo :)

what is that river along skyrises

what is that river along skyrises

It's the Huangpu River, the main river in the city (there is one other minor natural river, Suzhou Creek, as well as a series of man made canals throughout the city) that splits the city of Shanghai into the eastern half (Pudong) and the western half (Puxi). It flows through the city and then joins the Yangtze River just as it empties into the East China Sea.

awesome photo!

Impressive animation of how the tower is build

http://www.zideo.nl/player/?playzideo=6c4957556f56686f&zideo=6c5947556e6c633d

I guess the picture is not from this weekend, poor visibility today and yesterday, but the cranes were still visible.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6701423925_a1883dc5f1.jpg

By Giovanni Micheletto (http://www.flickr.com/people/gufoastuto/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7035/6695392877_62f9c75298_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gufoastuto/6695392877/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Does anyone know where was this photo taken from exactly? Is it some rooftop bar or other public location?

Does anyone know where was this photo taken from exactly? Is it some rooftop bar or other public location?

That's the terrace of CHAR Bar & Grill on the top floor of the Hotel Indigo.
http://www.shanghai.hotelindigo.com/

That's the terrace of CHAR Bar & Grill on the top floor of the Hotel Indigo.
http://www.shanghai.hotelindigo.com/

Thanks. I hope they won't mind if I'll get there with my camera (after buying a drink of course) :D

I don't know where to place it so I say it here: Z0rg, thx again for this MASSIVE update on chinese skyscrapers in the skyscraper section. :cheers:

This facade will be a hard puzzle for the builders:)

just read on Wikipedia that this tower will have "just" 380.000 sqm floor space. i always thought it will have almost the same as Burj Khalifa which has around 517.000 sqm.

According to wikipedia, Burj Khalifa has 309,473 m2 of floor space.

lol, in german wikipedia it says 517.000...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa

i wondered already, such a big difference between BK and ST is unrealistic.

This facade will be a hard puzzle for the builders:)

Even Burj Khalifa's cladding was done by the Chinese.

lol, in german wikipedia it says 517.000...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa

i wondered already, such a big difference between BK and ST is unrealistic.

English wiki's figure came from CTBUH.
http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/?do=building&building_id=3

Hi all.

The BK is 465,000 square meters (source - SOM).
Bear in mind this includes the large podiums.
The tower and base is 279,000.
The ST is definitely larger than the BK.

:cheers:
Ray.

Shanghai has all it's buildings, but it takes times to catch with New York.

Thanks.

In about 10-15years, Shanghai will catch up with New York. 10-15 years is not that long. Shanghai has its ambitious plan to achieve that goal.The city is fighting strong for that goal. I think my home city can compete with New York in the near future!:lol::cheers:

stop debating
none Chinese think Shanghai is comparable to Newyork
long long way to go!
Here is just a place to talk about skyscrapers

Not that long as you think.
Well, Shanghai is rising fast. The city is on the right track. Shanghai is building itself into an international financial,economic,trade and shipping center. By 2020, Shanghai will be on par with New York in financial field. My home city will be comparable to New York in the near future. Shanghai is ambitious to achieve that goal. My home city is fighting strong for its future! :cheers: