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giovani kun

February 16th, 2008, 04:34 PM

2008年2月16日 03:18
来源:新闻晨报作者:李宝花选稿:邵弃疾
　预计高度可能达到580米的世界第一高楼———“上海中心”，有望在今年内开建。记者昨天从权威方面得到证实，“上海中心”的项目公司及筹备小组均已正式成立，预计今年上半年将有所动作。而根据上海国资委在其官方网站公布的最新信息称，“上海中心”的项目建议书已获得市发改委批复同意，并有望在今年内开工。

　　根据上海国资委官方网站披露的资料，“上海中心”的项目公司已完成工商登记注册。去年，市委、市政府主要领导对该项目进行了专题调研，要求 “及早谋划、积极推进、抓紧实施，确保2008年年内实现开工目标”。会后，成立了“上海中心”项目筹备小组。项目公司由城投公司与陆家嘴股份公司、市建工集团合资成立，注册资本54亿元人民币。项目建成后，将与金茂大厦、环球金融中心等组成超高层建筑群，形成小陆家嘴中心区的新制高点。

　　“上海中心”第一次为人们所熟知，是其设计图
出现在美国SOM公司的网站上。因其580米“世界第一高”的预计高度（注：金茂大厦总高度是420.5米，环球金融中心主体高度为491.3米），引起广泛关注。

　　事实上，早在1993年的《上海陆家嘴中心区规划设计方案》中，就已确定金茂大厦、环球金融中心加上陆家嘴Z3-2地块，将建设3幢超高层的标志性建筑，形成“品”字形的三足鼎立之势。其中，Z3-2地块正是“上海中心”所在地。

　　不过，有关人士表示，目前“上海中心”的设计方案并未最终确定，“设计方案不下10种，但迄今为止也没有选定哪一家的方案，是不是SOM的方案当然也没办法说。预计这个项目在今年上半年将会有实质性进展”。

At 3:18 on February 16, 2008
Source: Author Morning News: Li spent on the election: Shao disposable disease
Is expected to reach 580 meters high degree of the world's first high-rise - the "Shanghai Center," is expected to open in the building within this year. Yesterday, reporters from the authority confirmed, "Shanghai Center" project company and the formal establishment of a preparatory committee had been expected first half of this year would be action. According to the Shanghai SASAC on its official website to the latest information, "said the Shanghai center" project proposal has been agreed to re-examine the City Development and Reform Commission, and is expected to start within this year.

According to the SASAC official websites of the Shanghai information, the "Shanghai Center" project company for industrial and commercial registration has been completed. Last year, the municipal government of the principal leaders of special research projects for the "early planning, and actively promote and make earnest efforts to implement to ensure that the year 2008 started achieving goals." After the meeting, the establishment of the "Shanghai Center" project preparatory group. City project company to company and from Lujiazui stock company, a joint venture set up Fujiangong Group, the registered capital of 5.4 billion yuan. Project, when completed, will and the Jinmao Tower, World Financial Center, and other groups composed of super high-rise buildings, a small Lujiazui, the central area of the new high ground.

"Shanghai Center" for the first time the well-known, is its design
In the United States SOM company's Web site. 580 meters because of the "world's highest" highly anticipated (Note: the Jinmao Tower is 420.5 meters high, the main global financial center height of 491.3 meters), has attracted extensive attention.

In fact, back in 1993, the "Shanghai Lujiazui District Planning and Design Centre Programme", the Jinmao Tower have been identified, coupled with global financial centre Lujiazui Z3-2 block, the building will be three super-high signs Architecture, "a" of the three pillars of the chevron. The Z3-2 block is the "Shanghai center" location.

However, the people said that at present, the "Shanghai Center" design has not been finalized, "no fewer than 10 kinds of design options, but so far has not selected a programme which is not, of course, the SOM also said no way. Expected The project in the first half of this year there will be substantial progress. "

Densetsu

February 16th, 2008, 04:42 PM

can you translate the article? i can't read anything

i tried my best. may not be very accurate

Anticipate the height may attain the high building of the first in the world of 580 meters-"Shanghai Center ", have already withinned this year hope to open to set up.The reporter got the confirmation from the authority yesterday, the item company of"the center in Shanghai" and prepared and plan the group to all has already formally established, the first half year that anticipate this year will have the action.But calls in the latest information that its official website announce according to the country 资委 in Shanghai, the item suggestion book of"Shanghai Center " has already acquire the city hair to change the 委 batch to reply the approval, also hope within this year the opening. According to the data that the official website of the country 资委 in Shanghai publish, the item company of"the center in Shanghai" has already complete the industry and business register to register.Last year, the main leadership of the city 委 ,city hall carried on the special subject investigation to that item, requesting"early tried to find solution, aggressive propulsion, held firmly the implement, insure 2008 year by year inside realization start work target".After the meeting, established"Shanghai Center " item to prepare and plan the group.The item company is thrown the company by the city to set up the work group with six mouth joint-stock companies,cities joint venture establish, register capital 5,400,000,000 dollar renminbi.The item after set up will constitute the extremely high layer building cluster with the luxuriant mansion,round-the-world banking center...etc. of the gold, becoming six mouth center areas of new-made a little bit high. "Shanghai Center " is be familiar with by people for the first time, is the website that it designs the diagram to appear in the American SOM company up.Because of it 580 meters"the first in the world is high" anticipates the height(note:the luxuriant mansion of the gold is total highly420.5 meter, the round-the-world banking center corpus height is491.3 meter), cause the extensive concern. In fact, as early as 1993 of 《six mouth center area programming design projects of Shanghai 》medium, have already make sure the luxuriant mansion,round-the-world banking center of the gold

ZZ-II

February 16th, 2008, 05:46 PM

cool thx guys :). seems the SOM proposal is still in the race

Comdot

February 16th, 2008, 06:55 PM

honestly to say - this design won't fit in skyline

i think it has many visual links to the other buildings. one is the fan facade which has many lines such as a tree's branches, which visually connect the tower to the other buildings. this seems sensible for a building larger than any others.

Comdot

February 16th, 2008, 06:57 PM

lots of buzz in shanghai media these days, the project will begin within the year, and they seem to pin the height to 580 m.

http://xwcb.eastday.com/c/20080216/u1a402074.html

bearing in mind the gaping error in one of the past articles a forumer posted up here i don't give these journals any credibility now. find me CCTV or a big national media organisation that reports this, then i might believe this. until then, it sounds like a media frenzy sparked by rhumours.

sorry!

wap-190

February 16th, 2008, 11:38 PM

Ground zero ... for now
2008-2-17

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/NewsImage/2008/2008-02/2008-02-17/20080217_348935_01.jpg

Workers level the ground at the construction site for another skyscraper in Shanghai yesterday. Located in Lujiazui, Pudong, Shanghai Center is expected to dwarf the 421-meter-tall Jin Mao Tower and the 492-meter-tall Shanghai World Financial Center in its neighborhood. The project has already been approved by the city government, but the detailed plan has yet to be finalized. According to industrial insiders, the new building will be taller than 500 meters.

ShanghaiDaily.com

riasbaixas

February 17th, 2008, 12:49 AM

Shanghai Daily is a good source

oliver999

February 17th, 2008, 01:38 AM

some great information in the aritical!!!
，“上海中心”的项目公司已完成工商登记注册。市委、市政府主要领导对该项目进行了专题调研，要求 “及早谋划、积极推进、抓紧实施，确保2008年年内实现开工目标”。
确保means"must be"

teddybear

February 17th, 2008, 04:15 AM

So which design proposals have height above 500m but less than 600?

big-dog

February 17th, 2008, 11:09 AM

can you translate the article? i can't read anything

it says the they haven't finally decided which design to take. I watched TV news today, it gives the same information. Have to wait ...

helghast

February 17th, 2008, 07:00 PM

So which design proposals have height above 500m but less than 600?

yes it will be less then 600m

Gaeus

February 17th, 2008, 07:14 PM

Andrey992

February 17th, 2008, 07:23 PM

wap-190

February 17th, 2008, 07:53 PM

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/NewsImage/2008/2008-02/2008-02-18/20080218_349040_01.jpg

A PROJECT to build the tallest building in Shanghai is likely to break ground within the year and be topped off in 2010, dwarfing both the 492-meter-tall Shanghai World Financial Center and the 421-meter-tall Jin Mao Tower.

The project has been endorsed by the city reform and development commission, according to a recent posting at the municipal government Website.

A project company with a registered capital of 5.4 billion yuan (US$752 million) was approved by the city industrial and commercial administration at the end of last year, an insider said.

Documents from the administration showed the company is 45 percent owned by the Shanghai Chengtou Corp, a municipal government-backed conglomerate investing in city-infrastructure construction; 51 percent owned by the Shanghai Stock Exchange-listed Lujiazui Finance and Trade Zone Development Co Ltd; and four percent owned by the Shanghai Construction Group, one of the country's largest construction contractors.

The skyscraper will be constructed on a 20,300-square-meter plot of land known as Z3-2, which has been used as a golf practice course for the past decade.

The new skyscraper will stand to the south of Jin Mao Tower and to the west of Shanghai World Financial Center.

According to local media reports, the project company has yet to decide on the building's design. Only one thing is for sure: It will be higher than its two neighbors.

Two international architecture firms, Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP (SOM) and Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates, have reportedly submitted designs for the project in a bidding process organized by the city government.

On SOM's Website, the project is named Shanghai Center. It says the tower will have a height of 580 meters - 88 meters higher than the Shanghai World Financial Center.

SOM's design was highly publicized by local media after the firm posted an artist's impression on its Website, but the insider said it had failed the preliminary selection process.

The project is still listed on SOM's Website, but the plans could no longer be found there yesterday.

Back in 2005, Lujiazui Finance and Trade Zone Development Co put the land up for public bidding. Property giants including Hutchison Whampoa and Sun Hung Kai Properties were invited to build an office building, hotel or shopping facility on the plot. Months later, bidding was suddenly called off as Lujiazui announced that the government had adjusted its plans and would now reserve the land for other uses.

ShanghaiDaily.com

Gaeus

February 17th, 2008, 07:55 PM

see what i mean. people keep posting news articles that are blatent BOLLOCKS

(bollocks means 'incorrect') ;)

Hey!

These comes from a legit chinese news media who are having problems posting legitimate news. For years, they are having problems in wrong informations / corrections and since last year, I e-mailed them 6 times for corrections. :gaah:

decks67

February 17th, 2008, 10:09 PM

when this building is complete it will be far from the tallest building in the worked. with the likes of burj dubai and the chicago spire and maybe the al burj

CULWULLA

February 17th, 2008, 11:49 PM

Newcastle Guy

February 17th, 2008, 11:51 PM

when this building is complete it will be far from the tallest building in the worked. with the likes of burj dubai and the chicago spire and maybe the al burj

Why are people so obsessed with what is the biggest?

Shanghai Centre may not be the tallest in the world, but it could end up having a better design than the Burj Dubai. And lets face it, if it's design is any worse than Al Burj, it probably shouldn't be allowed to be built in the first place... Height is most definately not everything, when it comes to skyscrapers, most buildings in fact, design should always take priority over feet/meters. Luckily the Burj Dubai is both tall and good looking. The Al Burj on the other hand, is tall, but it also has a fugly design, and frankly Dubai is much better off with the BD than the AB as it's landmark.

Andrey992

February 18th, 2008, 12:42 AM

Why are people so obsessed with what is the biggest?

Shanghai Centre may not be the tallest in the world, but it could end up having a better design than the Burj Dubai. And lets face it, if it's design is any worse than Al Burj, it probably shouldn't be allowed to be built in the first place... Height is most definately not everything, when it comes to skyscrapers, most buildings in fact, design should always take priority over feet/meters. Luckily the Burj Dubai is both tall and good looking. The Al Burj on the other hand, is tall, but it also has a fugly design, and frankly Dubai is much better off with the BD than the AB as it's landmark.

The design thing is based on opinion, not in fact. Some people might see it as ugly other not. And in my opinion al burj has best design, and height is evrything to me.

Newcastle Guy

February 18th, 2008, 12:54 AM

And in my opinion al burj has best design

Well, I don't think it is humanly possible for me to disagree more, but like you said, each to their own.

And I can't get caught up about the size. It's good when things are taller yes, but if they look like architectural abortions then those meters/feet really don't mean much.

drunkenmunkey888

February 18th, 2008, 02:32 AM

I feel like 580m would be a very wise choice because that way, it would blend harmoniously with the other two supertalls. If they build a 800m monster, then it would just look awkward and intrusive, not to mention undermine the scale of the other buildings. Frankly, building the biggest and best is just a shallow competition for nouveau rich countries that feel like they must show off their newly acquired wealth. Its pointless because a couple of years later, some other country's gonna build something bigger.

I'll just come out and speak the honest truth and I'm aware I can get plenty of sh*t for this, but here goes: Frankly, Dubai is constructing all of these projects to flaunt the wealth it earned from its oil revenue. The sultanate is artificially trying to construct itself as the financial center of the Middle East. They say a quarter of the world's cranes are in Dubai, but it is a city with a smaller population than The Bronx! Dubai knows that its very small and is insecure about it. So it builds all of these gigantic projects well beyond its market demand for real estate to compensate for its size. Dubai's population can rise to about 3 million to five million tops while Shanghai's will grow to ten times that at least. Dubai might have more and taller towers, but at the end of the day, which city is widely regarded as a rising alpha world city?

To be fair though, Dubai's wealth and its efforts to decrease its reliance on oil revenues still needs to be acknowledged. Building a city full of supertalls in the middle of a desert in less than twenty years is still a very impressive feat regardless of what motivates it to do so. It is indeed extraordinarily wealthy and it would be nice to see it be the financial center of the Middle East. But people in Shanghai should not be disappointed because their tower is not as tall as Dubai's, nor should they seek to build taller buildings than Dubai for no other reason than competition. Instead such investment should be used to gentrify some traditional Shanghainese neighborhoods, something that Dubai can't one-up Shanghai at with oil money.

Shanghai Center's height was a very good choice.

Msradell

February 18th, 2008, 02:45 AM

Construction of High-Rise "Shanghai Center" To Start
www.chinaview.cn
2008-02-17 20:31:53

BEIJING, Feb. 17 -- Construction work on what will be the world's tallest building will start this year in Shanghai.

Media reports say the Shanghai Development and Reform Commission has ratified the project proposal for Shanghai Center which will be located in the city's Pudong district.

The 580-meter-tall edifice will have 118 stories. It will be 72 meters higher than the Taipei 101 Tower, currently the tallest building in Asia at 508 meters.

The Shanghai Center also will be 25 meters higher than the 555-meter-tall Burj Dubai skyscraper, which is still under construction.

Source (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/17/content_7619421.htm)

The reporter that wrote this article must be Kin to the reporter who wrote that Freedom Tower (WTC-1) was going to be the tallest building in the world! :bash:

Maybe the authors of articles like this should get out a little more! Oh wait, at least the author of this article lives in China me not be able to get out or read about the rest of the world. Not sure what the excuse of the New York reporter was.

Hollie Maea

February 18th, 2008, 02:52 AM

And lets face it, if it's design is any worse than Al Burj, it probably shouldn't be allowed to be built in the first place...

You've seen the design for Al Burj? Quit holding out on us and show us! Oh wait...you haven't actually seen it and are just talking...:ohno:

beyond 1000

February 18th, 2008, 06:45 AM

The design thing is based on opinion, not in fact. Some people might see it as ugly other not. And in my opinion al burj has best design, and height is evrything to me.

I tend to agree with you on this Andrey. We first must see the final rendering of Al Burj. But height is everything also. This does not take away however from the beauty and height of Burj Dubai. Going over a kilometer or over 3500 ft in the air is nothing to call fugly about. Go BIG AL ! :cheers:

10025

February 18th, 2008, 07:59 AM

Source: Xinhua News Agency
Link: http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2008-02/17/content_7617913.htm

Yes, according to Xinhua, the project was ratified by Shanghai Development and Reform Commission several days ago, and construction will begin this year.

Preparation work on the construction site, 16 Feb. 2008
1
http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2008-02/17/xinsrc_17202051714230003234849.jpg
2
http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2008-02/17/xinsrc_17202051714233431312850.jpg

Buyckske Ruben

February 18th, 2008, 09:51 AM

gee, just getting over the 500m SWFC and they start another even taller tower. bloody hell.

yet another to add to world diagrams

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som-2_3s7qANUL7Z3N.jpg

What a great news!!! Another supertall again! Question... is this the final design or rendering?

nezzybaby

February 18th, 2008, 10:56 AM

^nobody knows, probably not it's just a coincidence that it's a similar height to what we know, and on one article it said SOM are still in the running.

LeMoN-SK

February 18th, 2008, 12:10 PM

Looks like ~580m will be the final height. As some people already said, good choice. Looking forward for the final design.

Newcastle Guy

February 18th, 2008, 01:56 PM

You've seen the design for Al Burj? Quit holding out on us and show us! Oh wait...you haven't actually seen it and are just talking...:ohno:

There is going to be a new design for Al Burj? Thank goodness for that!!!

nezzybaby

February 18th, 2008, 02:21 PM

^I take it you never look in the al burj thread then, I try to avoid it as much as possible, it is one of the most crap filled threads of the lot. But if you'd been there once in the last three years you would know that they arent using the design which was originally for the palm jumeirah. In fact i think my entire contribution to that thread is telling people that we have no idea what the design will be like, normally once every 6months or so when people like you start spouting off about how ugly it is.

z0rg

February 18th, 2008, 02:56 PM

Posted by world01
http://cimg20.163.com/cnews/2008/2/17/200802171444586b57c.jpg

http://cimg23.163.com/cnews/2008/2/17/2008021715312163444.jpg

http://cimg24.163.com/cnews/2008/2/17/200802171531547a8f1.jpg

Newcastle Guy

February 18th, 2008, 03:46 PM

z0rg

February 18th, 2008, 04:22 PM

So, we can confirm this is the final project?

Fortunately I saved the text.

Shanghai Center is classic SOM—seamlessly integrating architectural style with engineering solutions and programmatic coordination. The engineering strength of the Shanghai Center exemplifies the way structural design can naturally and intelligently inform the outside shape. There is a deep logic in morphing the tower from its solid commercial base into a more compact shape as it rises into its higher hotel floors.

Project Facts
Completion Year: Ongoing
Site Area: 30,000 m2
Project Area: 433,954 m2
Building Height: 580 m
Number of Stories: 118

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/68_9813_58ab4995a0e682c.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1193375671.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1193375443.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1193375489.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1193375685.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1193375415.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1193375468.jpg

Anybody has more images of this proposal? I'd love to see the last one with a higher resolution.

It is so strange that SOM removed this from its website. Maybe the final version will be different. Who knows.

Peloso

February 18th, 2008, 04:48 PM

If it's really 580 meters, then the difference from SWFC is exaggerated in the pics above. They should be more similar in height than it appears.
Then, it occurs to me that the occupable floor space in this tower is a bit scanty.

foxmulder

February 18th, 2008, 05:18 PM

triangular floor plan, in my opinion, is not a great idea. Although, the building looks great.

xiaoluis

February 18th, 2008, 08:06 PM

WOW!!! i love it!!! go go shanghai go go!!

potipoti

February 18th, 2008, 08:14 PM

this project is incredible, 580 m high... WoW!!!

/-/_E_C_T_O_R 8§8

February 18th, 2008, 08:19 PM

Wow the tower is incrdible and beautifull.:banana:

Sagaris

February 18th, 2008, 08:21 PM

If tthe SOM design was chosen, I have to say im a bit dissapointed as there were better looking proposals. However, I know nothing about the feasability of the other proposals so maybe this one is better in more important areas than just the outer design.

Comdot

February 18th, 2008, 08:39 PM

if xinhua news agency says it is so, that is good enough for me. HOWEVER, where does it say ANYTHING about them choosing the SOM design? (see link below for english version of what 10025 posted ^^)

here's an extract from wikipedia for those who don't know about the agency:
The Xinhua News Agency is the official press agency of the government of the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the biggest center for collecting information and press conferences in the PRC. It is one of the two news agencies in the PRC, the other being the China News Service.

Xinhua is an institution of the State Council of China. Despite criticism, its worldwide press freedom index ranking has improved in the past years. Xinhua reports directly to the Communist Party of China's Public Information Department.

===

here's an article published by the agency themselves february 18th 2008
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/18/content_7620957.htm
2008-02-18 08:21:10
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/18/xin_3120205180822078229075.jpg
Workers level ground at the construction site for Shanghai Center, the city's planned new skyscraper. Located in Lujiazui, Pudong, the building is expected to soar to 580 meters, dwarfing the 421-meter Jin Mao Tower and the 492-meter Shanghai World Financial Center in its neighborhood.(Photo source: Shanghai Daily)
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BEIJING, Feb. 18 -- A project to build the tallest building in Shanghai is likely to break ground within the year and be topped off in 2010, dwarfing both the 492-meter-tall Shanghai World Financial Center and the 421-meter-tall Jin Mao Tower.

The project has been endorsed by the city reform and development commission, according to a recent posting at the municipal government Website.

A project company with a registered capital of 5.4 billion yuan (US$752 million) was approved by the city industrial and commercial administration at the end of last year, an insider said.

Documents from the administration showed the company is 45 percent owned by the Shanghai Chengtou Corp, a municipal government-backed conglomerate investing in city-infrastructure construction; 51 percent owned by the Shanghai Stock Exchange-listed Lujiazui Finance and Trade Zone Development Co Ltd; and four percent owned by the Shanghai Construction Group, one of the country's largest construction contractors.

...................so we don't have a verifiable source that mentions the SOM design. or do we? saying "expected" ^^ is not the same as saying "will be" or "is" i.e. they xinghua have no idea and neither does anyone else. correct me if i'm wrong, please..........

thanks

Stephan23

February 18th, 2008, 09:30 PM

:omg: What a stunner. SWFC looks so tiny against this monster!!! Shanghai skyline will be unbelievable. What's next?? 700 meter??

MDguy

February 18th, 2008, 09:34 PM

If that's the final design, than I LOVE it. INCREDIBLE! Shanghai is amazing!

ZZ-II

February 18th, 2008, 09:48 PM

the sock

February 18th, 2008, 10:19 PM

this is exciting news.

staff

February 18th, 2008, 10:53 PM

Calm down people, nothing has been confirmed yet. Not long ago media reported that the SOM proposal had been eliminated from the competition, so let's not jump too high just yet.

Comdot

February 18th, 2008, 11:00 PM

Calm down people, nothing has been confirmed yet. Not long ago media reported that the SOM proposal had been eliminated from the competition, so let's not jump too high just yet.

i just want to echo what staff is saying.

*nothing has been chosen*

that is what the xinghua article eludes to. no reliable article or source has told us SOM has been chosen.

davee08

February 19th, 2008, 12:02 AM

eagerly anticipating the final design since nothing has been confirmed maybe my favourite design still gets chosen although from the renders in it so happens to be SOM then it'll still look great but no matter what they will pick out something that will stand out to send out a message for the 2010 expo games that shanghai is rising

Cyman

February 19th, 2008, 12:07 AM

As I don't remember all of the proposed designs, but I can say that the SOM design was one of my favorites and I think it fits very well in the rest of the Shanghai skyline. I'd say they made a good choice with this design. They could still use one of the other desings for the next supertall ;-)

davee08

February 19th, 2008, 12:10 AM

this one is the design i'm talking about just hope this is the chosen one :banana:

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1836/2789721159441421yw9.jpg[/QUOTE]

Myster E

February 19th, 2008, 01:08 AM

^^ To be honest with you I'm not to keen on that one, but the angle's a little shabby too. You need a better view of it to appreciate it.

The SOM looks absolutely fab, really hoping this is the one but there are also others on the list that look impressive.

z0rg

February 19th, 2008, 01:17 AM

I've just found this. Foster's design is supposed to be 744m. Probably second tallest after KPF, which looks to be around 800m.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/200611101041370655.jpg

helghast

February 19th, 2008, 01:24 AM

^^ thats not happening.

OMH

February 19th, 2008, 03:13 AM

i personally think that they are better proposals than the SOM one,e.g the Foster one ...but if it gets approved its ok,it will add a new tower to pudong which is good,though i think Shanghai center should be something more of a landmark tower,and IMO should be around 700-800 m tall

CarlosBlueDragon

February 19th, 2008, 03:37 AM

EnDleSsWaLtZ

February 19th, 2008, 07:16 AM

^^Me too davee08 me too!

Densetsu

February 19th, 2008, 07:41 AM

i think they will go further with this design which is the best i think :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159438863.jpg

CarlosBlueDragon

February 19th, 2008, 02:51 PM

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-27G.jpg

who like it?? or not like?? why dont like??

davee08

February 19th, 2008, 03:20 PM

XiaoBai

February 19th, 2008, 03:40 PM

i don't mind the fosters design but its 744m? they said around 580 and the fosters wouldn't look that nice compared to original design but if height don't matter then bring it on shanghai needs a signature tower that people can relate to a city ala eiffel tower

Shanghai already has that: The Jin Mao. Although SWFC has already passed it height-wise, the Jin Mao will continue to be to Shanghai what the Eiffel Tower is to Paris. Although going with the SOM design could change this. According to the universal standard of logic, the only thing that could ever top an SOM tower is--another SOM tower.

nezzybaby

February 19th, 2008, 03:50 PM

Surely the pearl tower is shanghai's eifel??

ZZ-II

February 19th, 2008, 08:02 PM

According to the universal standard of logic, the only thing that could ever top an SOM tower is--another SOM tower.

totally right :lol:

helghast

February 20th, 2008, 01:33 AM

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7812/worldstallestbuildingsvi4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The World Financial Center has barely been completed but our wonderful city has already announced plans for yet another skyscraper that will dwarf it. Two days ago, the all-authoritative Xinhua produly proclaimed that the new building, which is to be named Shanghai Center (we are unsure if this has any relation to the existing Shanghai Center) will be the world's tallest at 580 meters and 118 stories. According to them, that's 72 meters higher than the Taipei 101 Tower, currently the tallest building in Asia at 508 meters and "25 meters higher than the 555-meter-tall Burj Dubai skyscraper, which is still under construction".

555 meters? As far as we understand, the developers behind Burj Dubai are keeping the final height of the building tightly under wraps, because they don't want anyone else to steal their thunder. A more likely answer to the mystery is 807.7m (see picture above from China Daily) which has often been bandied about. At almost 300 meters taller than Taipei 101, that is upping the ante quite a bit, and still they're not leaving anything to chances!

But that doesn't mean China won't spring any surprise to make sure it will maintain bragging rights. As far as we can tell, the officials seem to be just as secretive about their latest project and we have seen too many conflicting reports on both the Chinese and English internet to be sure what's true and what's not. Compare for instance the artist's impression above to the ones below:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/464/worldstallest2qr0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The building on the left is supposed to be designed by Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill and the one on the right is supposedly by New York-based Kohn Pedersen Fox. Whoever it is, we are assuming the second design lost its bid because nobody is going to trust any architectural firm that can get the relative heights of the Jinmao versus the WFC so, so wrong!

More on Shanghai Center from China Daily

:Taking up 20,300 sq m, the Shanghai Center is expected to house offices, hotels and shopping malls as well as recreational facilities, complementing the two neighboring buildings with more office space for financial institutions and companies as the district sees an increasing inflow of foreign capital.

According to a recent survey on office requirements of foreign firms in Shanghai conducted by Mori Building Co, office quality is becoming increasingly important when financial companies seek expansion. The survey also found that Lujiazui remains the most popular office location in Shanghai.

"Competition over the world's tallest building seems inevitable as the city moves steadfastly to become a world-class financial center," Michiho Kishi, deputy general manager of public relations at Mori Building Co, the real estate developer behind SWFC, told China Daily.
http://shanghaiist.com/2008/02/20/yet_another_wor.php

beyond 1000

February 20th, 2008, 04:24 AM

Peloso

February 20th, 2008, 07:10 AM

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/464/worldstallest2qr0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The building on the left is supposed to be designed by Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill and the one on the right is supposedly by New York-based Kohn Pedersen Fox. Whoever it is, we are assuming the second design lost its bid because nobody is going to trust any architectural firm that can get the relative heights of the Jinmao versus the WFC so, so wrong!To me it's the way a render of them from street level should look.

staff

February 20th, 2008, 01:28 PM

Al Burj is going up so they better put Shanghai Center on MASSIVE steroids if it is going to be WTB, otherwise they should report responsibly. The guy who reported "555 meters" for Burj Dubai doesn't know his A$$ from a hole in the ground.

BTW before China actually gets WTB, I think the Mile High Building in Jeddah will have a better chance at a go.
Thing is, China neither wants or needs a WTB.

Also, the people who are developing Shanghai Center (called developers) are not the ones reporting about Burj Dubai in the newspapers (called journalists).

Densetsu

February 20th, 2008, 03:08 PM

^^well said

another proof that china doesnt want to have the tallest building: they would have built SWFC taller than Taipei 101 (just even with a simple spire) and broken the record but they didnt. As you all know there is just a 10 meters difference between SWFC and Taipei 101.

okay lets get back ;)

Jhun

February 20th, 2008, 10:52 PM

Thing is, China neither wants or needs a WTB.

Also, the people who are developing Shanghai Center (called developers) are not the ones reporting about Burj Dubai in the newspapers (called journalists).

nobody NEEDs a tallest building. I think the reason why Chinese haven't build the tallest building is not because we dont want the title, but we understand that no matter how tall U could build, 8yrs later, somebody's gonna eventually surpass U, so why bother?

staff

February 20th, 2008, 11:26 PM

^^
Basically it comes down to the fact that China doesn't really have to prove itself to the outside world (which it moreso had in the 90s, obviously). A city like Dubai is building the worlds tallest buildings because of this fact (and the US did in the beginning of the 1900s).

z0rg

February 21st, 2008, 12:02 AM

China wont build many towers above 500m in the coming years I think. They are not very profitable. Multiple tower projects are more suitable for China since office space is still cheap and so is the land.

Since China's main developers are becoming extremely rich now they are releasing more and more monster projects, but instead of going taller they tend to launch multi tower developments with 2, 3 or even 4 supertalls. This is the coming pattern, I'm sure we will see many developments consisting in many biggies especially in second tier cities, where clearing a huge area is far easier and cheaper.

On the other hand, Shanghai's only major CBD has run out of plots. Z3-2 plot is the last one (the rest of remaining plots have a concrete project assigned arleady). And there are just a couple of plots left in Nanjing Xi Lu, likely to host 200-250m towers. Then what? They want to expand Lujiazui eastwards, but we wont see the first finished project there before 2015. They want to build a second large CBD in Pujiang, next to World Expo area, but it is a long term plan with few chances. Even the projects located on the former shipyard in north-east Lujiazui and Beiwaitan redevelopment aren't likely to host a huge supply of new offices.

That's why I think that Shanghai is the most suitable city in China for a monstertall now. I wonder what will happen in the coming years anyway. Maybe they'll build tens of projects above 200m scattered around the city. Who knows.

Bandit

February 21st, 2008, 04:49 AM

I was hoping someone actually builds a "city in the clouds." Well fog at least. But you would have to have a lot a supertalls to do that. I love those shots where you see the Jin Mao and the Pearl TV tower above the "clouds." It would be a great tourist attraction since a lot of these supertalls seem to have hotels on their higher levels.

Dallasbrink

February 21st, 2008, 05:37 AM

so glad that chart up there included Chicago Spire and Freedom Tower

korea2002

February 21st, 2008, 08:33 AM

580m high-rise buildings built in Shanghai, China

Plan to be completed in 2010

China is building a skyscraper in Shanghai, building height of 580m. Taiwan's 101-story building in the world choegocheung international financial centre and a height of 508m. However, in 2009, the height of 800m Burj Dubai World 2 Back when the building was completed milrige.

China dongbangjobo (东方早报), the financial center of Shanghai on January 17 rujajuyi areas, the height of 580m (陆家嘴) 'Shanghai Center,' he seems to be built is reported. The scale of 5.4 billion yuan of capital for the venture company established in the Shanghai Center Building Construction and Development Co., Ltd. and registered to do Tuesday.

Center's groundbreaking ceremony in Shanghai this year, the source said, and said to go into full-scale construction. However, over 10 seolgyean issue had not yet concluded. These are government authorities and verification of the steps seolgyean over 492m in height, but said that the Shanghai World Financial Center, rather than higher, he said.

Shanghai will be the financial centre skyscraper forest

2010 was the year when the construction of the Shanghai Center jungongdoel said. When the center is completed in Shanghai, the financial hub of Shanghai's skyscraper forest. Shanghai Center is a building height of 421m in jinmaoh (金茂) and the 492m in height, and the World Financial Center in Shanghai, the city with arms (品) creates characters become one of the three pillars

Densetsu

February 21st, 2008, 03:11 PM

interesting. the article says shanghai center will be completed in 2010. Will 2 years be enough for a 580 meters skyscraper? dont think so

LeMoN-SK

February 21st, 2008, 03:17 PM

It is not impossible, but I really don't think there is some reason for such haste...

Tom_Green

February 21st, 2008, 03:58 PM

ZZ-II

February 21st, 2008, 07:01 PM

It is not impossible, but I really don't think there is some reason for such haste...

should be very difficult to complete the tower until 2010 IMO

RON-E

February 21st, 2008, 07:55 PM

this is great that this is really going up!

congrats to shanghai!!!

http://www.nautf.com/images/linkto/88x19.gif

drunkenmunkey888

February 22nd, 2008, 04:11 AM

Maybe they'll build tens of projects above 200m scattered around the city. Who knows.

That would actually be very good. Or better yet, just 200m clustered in one huge square mile. I think Shanghai's done using shallow construction to prove itself and is looking to have a more solid spot on the world stage, namely reclaiming its title as Asia's financial center from Hong Kong (something that also needs the central government's gradual liberalizing the financial market). 580m is a good height because it keeps harmonizes the supertall cluster well. A 800+ building would just look tacky and out-of-place and the last thing Shanghai needs is to compromise aesthetics for titles

davee08

February 22nd, 2008, 06:20 AM

580m is a perfect height or around that mark and shanghai will be spectacularly a skyscraper jungle especially when the time comes to knock down the commie blocks near the financial district and in the middle you have three goliaths that would be a spectacular sight just hope they think this through and decide what looks the best, futuristic design, large office space, keeps in sync with surrounding area then shanghai hopefully be no1 ;)

cookiesap

February 22nd, 2008, 05:52 PM

It is not impossible, but I really don't think there is some reason for such haste...

2010 is the year of the shanghai world expo. a huge deal for the city...

:cheers:

it's something for the chinese press to worry about following the vacuum that will be left in the wake of the olympics later this year.

davee08

February 23rd, 2008, 07:54 AM

no matter what china will develop and with asian games in guangzhou and expo both in 2010 it has step up speed on construction but i really doubt they could build 580m in 2010 its just too short a time frame maybe 2011 the earliest

oliver999

February 24th, 2008, 02:30 AM

lol, lujiazui stock has been rise 15% in last three days for shanghai center.

pflo777

February 24th, 2008, 02:42 AM

2010 is the year of the shanghai world expo. a huge deal for the city...

:cheers:

it's something for the chinese press to worry about following the vacuum that will be left in the wake of the olympics later this year.

usually it becomes extremely uneconomic, to build beyond a certain speed.
But if economic aspects dont count, I think it can be possible.

Remember that the Empire State Building in New York was built in 1 Year and 45 days. And that was back in 1931

LeMoN-SK

February 24th, 2008, 03:04 AM

Remember that the Empire State Building in New York was built in 1 Year and 45 days. And that was back in 1931

Good that you added it was in 1931. Different technologies, different building methods and different needs of space/comfort/security make the buildings nowadays more complex and slower to build... There already was a discussion about this...

I hope the Shanghai Center will be around ~580m, will have good design and will be built until 2015. I am not planning to visit Shanghai anytime soon and there is still a lot of construction going on nowadays to watch...

mudvayneimn

February 24th, 2008, 06:48 PM

^Stereotype much?

I really want the proposal by SOM to win. IMO that tower is perfect and very classy. It would be an amazing fit with Shanghai!

helghast

February 24th, 2008, 07:04 PM

theres a 80 to 90% chance there going to pick SOM design

Peloso

February 24th, 2008, 07:18 PM

theres a 80 to 90% chance there going to pick SOM designYou say this based on your guess? Or what source?

helghast

February 24th, 2008, 07:30 PM

on my guess. and also reading articles that have been posted

Peloso

February 25th, 2008, 05:56 PM

Today the second biggest Italian newspaper, Corriere della Sera, gives the SOM project as approved. As it's well known in Italy though, even major national papers are often little trustworthy and/or competent. In fact, in this feature it is even claimed that "the 580 meters-tall tower will be the TALLEST in the world".
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/08_febbraio_25/cavalera_cina_06235d66-e374-11dc-9d24-0003ba99c667.shtml

44p

February 25th, 2008, 06:07 PM

OMG!! the thread says prep!

YAY!! it's going to be the tallest building in Shanghai!

LeMoN-SK

February 25th, 2008, 06:34 PM

^^

I can't read Italian but looks like the same article as in those chinese newspaper some days ago...

flymordecai

March 4th, 2008, 09:36 PM

While I love the SOM design more, I think the Kohn Pedersen Fox design would gel better with the skyline.

Comdot

March 5th, 2008, 02:21 AM

i was in a SOM skyscraper on saturday. went to the top. it is only 164 metres though. very impressed with the design indeed, it is not your standard tower. also the engineering is clearly highly advanced and unconventional. broadgate tower, london.

my ugly mug
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/dump/nick1.jpg

the one on the right
http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/broadgate%20tower/IMG_2916.jpg

giovani kun

March 5th, 2008, 07:48 AM

The tower that has real motivation for China
Major works at record pace. The latest in Shanghai, a skyscraper of 580 metres

BEIJING - Two Surveys. The first: China how long does it take to build 8300 km of motorways or 15 thousand kilometers of railways which 7 thousand high speed? The second: China and how long does it take to build the last suameraviglia of architecture and engineering, a skyscraper that is shaped like a spear and gets up to the beauty of 580 meters?

We see the answer: for 8300 kilometres of motorways, equal to seven and a half times the Italy, no more than twelve months (it is the plan of 2008 which will lead to 60 thousand the total highway mileage); for rail and high speed three years. For the tower, "the spear" of Shanghai, it is necessary instead to wait two, given the announcement a few days ago to cut the ribbon and toast. Record for buildings classified as "extreme" for the shapes and sizes.

In 2010, on the eve of Expo Universal, will be ready a citadel vertical host twelve thousand managers, white-collar tourists. Centodiciotto plans for offices, banks, shops, hotels, which will change even more the profile of urban "Pearl of the Orient". The race for innovation did not end: ideas, creativity and investment are a fantastic recipe. With an apostille we must add: what happens is possible because those who govern the city and the territory has the discretion to order thousands of families to leave their old homes in order to make room for icons of development, prosperity, modernity. The other side of the coin, forced removals, which must not be silenced when talking about this enormous project that has become the China of today.

THE CHINESE MANHATTAN - The mutation more showy, and last in order of date, occurs in the Pudong, Shanghai Manhattan, which in the early nineties was a huge area of fields and marshes: The draft of the new skyscraper was signed by the study SOM (Skidmore, Owings & Merril) in Chicago and is funded by three Chinese companies, two state and municipal, consecrated by the comunist party.I yards are open. From words to deeds. So it works here when there is a half of great work by designing and implementing it is a building or a bridge that is: the way, for the bridge Hanghzhou that, once concluded, will be the longest in the world its 36 km are required only five years, starting from 2003, between proposal and use.

THE WORKS - Or that is, perhaps, a web of roads: the most remote rural districts will be asphalted or riasfaltati with 270 thousand kilometers of small and medium arteries by the end of this year. Or, finally, it is the network of railways (January to December will be laid 7,820 km of track) or underground (in Shanghai in 2002 will sfilavano 63 kilometres, have become 234 in 2007). The China runs and the numbers speak for themselves. The reasons for this are many speed (need for infrastructure, pride, production of wealth) and, in the case of "Shanghai Center, the skyscraper of 580 metres, has a political colouring, but implied unreported. The China has cultivated the dream of overcoming Taiwan and restore hierarchies: we are the motherland. So it is not imaginable admire the other side of the Strait, Taipei, the "101", a building of 508 metres stretching the shadow of the 101 plans that hosts (hence its name).

THE PRIMATO - The primacy of the Dragon will be re-established. The "Shanghai Center, for which no one knows the costs rise alongside two brothers: Jin Mao (401 metres) and the World Financial Center (492 meters). It started in 2004 is being completed, the baptism in the spring. Three skyscrapers, a kilometre and 400 meters in height, where fifteen years ago cultivated rice. No wonder. Last riddle: how many roads built in the three decades China? Answer: three million and 570 thousand kilometers. Approximately 2,970 times Italy. What can be then 580 meters of a 'spear'?

davee08

March 5th, 2008, 08:06 AM

does that mean that this is the confirmed design of shanghai centre the SOM?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159438863.jpg

z0rg

March 5th, 2008, 09:47 AM

^^ As long as you trust the source... I rather believe in what a random forumer at skyscrapers.cn says before trusting a non Chinese newspaper which doesn't even quote any source but the well known literature about what's going on in China. They don't know anything about this project but the info they got googling for 5 minutes.

FM 2258

March 5th, 2008, 09:50 AM

^^ to davee08's picture

Is it just me or does it always look like that tower design is leaning away from you? It looks like it's bending over backwards and about to fall over.

kix111

March 5th, 2008, 10:06 AM

from ssc.cn...
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/viewthread.php?tid=94363&extra=page%3D1
it says that one of the two final design chosen was 670M,

FM 2258

March 5th, 2008, 10:14 AM

^^

A ~2200 ft tall building? Wow. That's good news.

ZZ-II

March 5th, 2008, 04:22 PM

from ssc.cn...
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/viewthread.php?tid=94363&extra=page%3D1
it says that one of the two final design chosen was 670M,

670m...not bad also. is there a render yet? i can't see the page

LeMoN-SK

March 5th, 2008, 05:33 PM

670m is too much to fit well with Jin Mao and SWFC... I hope they will go with the 580m version.

randomwalk

March 5th, 2008, 05:46 PM

670m is too much to fit well with Jin Mao and SWFC... I hope they will go with the 580m version.

nod

LeMoN-SK

March 5th, 2008, 06:29 PM

nod

what do you mean by ,,nod"?

ZZ-II

March 5th, 2008, 07:02 PM

he agrees with you ^^

giovani kun

March 5th, 2008, 07:10 PM

from ssc.cn...
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/viewthread.php?tid=94363&extra=page%3D1
it says that one of the two final design chosen was 670M,

let's hope we'll have a 670m tallest is the best always

The url..needs an user authentification if you can pull the chinese info for me to translate it that would be fine :)

drunkenmunkey888

March 5th, 2008, 07:23 PM

from ssc.cn...
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/viewthread.php?tid=94363&extra=page%3D1
it says that one of the two final design chosen was 670M,

that sucks. so that means they're going for the taller building over harmoniously proportionate, aesthetically building?

670m is a terrible idea. Its too tall and would be an eyesore no matter how great the design is because it sticks up like an erect penis. It will also rob Jin Mao and SWFC of their impressiveness because instead of complementing them, it overpowers them.

Let Dubai build all those high, tacky, tall-for-the-sake-of-prestige projects. Shanghai needs aesthetics over height. I mean look at Shinjuku. Not a single supertall but still one of the most beautiful CBD's in the world. Shinjuku should be a model for Pudong.

CarlosBlueDragon

March 5th, 2008, 07:25 PM

^^ where at Shinjuku??

z0rg

March 5th, 2008, 07:42 PM

Come on, not too tall. Just 178m taller than SWFC. Put the Citigroup Tower on SWFC's roof and you get 672m :D

macpolo

March 5th, 2008, 10:44 PM

frankly,im not a fan of SOM's design for this one

helghast

March 6th, 2008, 12:34 AM

from ssc.cn...
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/viewthread.php?tid=94363&extra=page%3D1
it says that one of the two final design chosen was 670M,

i dont believe that, do they have a reliable source ?.

mightygoose

March 6th, 2008, 12:43 AM

the som design was by far not the best...

Comdot

March 6th, 2008, 01:04 AM

Peloso

March 6th, 2008, 03:37 AM

regarding the italian newspaper article, we only have one person who can read italian who's posted in the last few days and the rest of us are relying on google translator which is at best basic. one word out of context and the article could go from: 'SOM are in the running' to 'SOM win the design'. all senses point to the former for numerous reasons.No, the article says "the project for the new tower is work of SOM". And it's totally clear they're saying it's the approved design.
To me it's also paramount the article's sources are random google searches.

kix111

March 6th, 2008, 05:33 AM

omg from ssc.cn

"whats the use of having only a bottle openers (swfc)...of course we need a bottle..spin
spin spin spin spin spin"

this one looks 670?

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080305_151f0645c9fcad454fb5OXRQAskSuLby.jpg

xXFallenXx

March 6th, 2008, 05:34 AM

That one kinda looks like the Turning Torso.

Manila-X

March 6th, 2008, 05:36 AM

The design looks ok though it has that futuristic feel

OEincorparated

March 6th, 2008, 05:38 AM

This one would be nice, looks atleast 800m.

CarlosBlueDragon

March 6th, 2008, 05:54 AM

LeMoN-SK

March 6th, 2008, 02:08 PM

^^Agree, it is much more than 670m, definitely around 800m... Too tall...

ZZ-II

March 6th, 2008, 02:08 PM

looks indeed much taller than 700m

staff

March 6th, 2008, 03:48 PM

If you look at the perspective, and consider the facts that the SC is quite a lot closer to the point of view than both the Jin Mao and the SWFC, and of course that the main tower in a rendering often looks exaggerated in size, that tower could very well be 670 meters in height.

CarlosBlueDragon

March 6th, 2008, 04:53 PM

have anymore 1000m??

Peloso

March 6th, 2008, 04:56 PM

Looks like Gensler's project to me. Hope they'll pick it.

FM 2258

March 6th, 2008, 05:23 PM

670m is too much to fit well with Jin Mao and SWFC... I hope they will go with the 580m version.

"too much" meaning "too tall?" There's no such thing as too much or too tall on this forum. I hope they go with a 670m or higher version. The higher the better. If you're looking for a balance in the skyline they can always build more skyscrapers to fill the skyline in.

drunkenmunkey888

March 6th, 2008, 07:50 PM

"too much" meaning "too tall?" There's no such thing as too much or too tall on this forum. I hope they go with a 670m or higher version. The higher the better. If you're looking for a balance in the skyline they can always build more skyscrapers to fill the skyline in.

I would disagree, I feel like that kind of thinking can often lead to really tacky, disproportionate skylines. 580m is perfect. Tall enough but also allows SWFC and Jin Mao to be appreciated. I mean what would you rather have? A tacky skyline disheveled skyline with a really tall building or a beautiful, proportionate, majestic skyline with a shorter building?

ZZ-II

March 6th, 2008, 08:22 PM

Myster E

March 6th, 2008, 08:32 PM

I would disagree, I feel like that kind of thinking can often lead to really tacky, disproportionate skylines. 580m is perfect. Tall enough but also allows SWFC and Jin Mao to be appreciated. I mean what would you rather have? A tacky skyline disheveled skyline with a really tall building or a beautiful, proportionate, majestic skyline with a shorter building?

One example being the Swiss Re building or the Gherkin in London. I believe Foster (can't remember wether it was him or someone else) came up with the original proposal to build a 386m supertall by the name of the Millennium Tower but it was shelved due to fears that planes might fly into it. It also looked out of place and dwarfed the surrounding towers. That was replaced in the form of the more eye pleasing and sensible Gherkin and has definitely worked out better in my opinion and I believe the same of the Shanghai Center.

LeMoN-SK

March 7th, 2008, 12:41 AM

^^670m is too much for some harmony in the skyline, 580m is just good. That is my opinion, don't tell me there can't be a term like ,,too tall"... Yes there is such a term, I don't want buildings to be extremely tall so I can enjoy the numbers, I want them to look good.

kix111

March 7th, 2008, 09:02 AM

one of the two final chosen design is confirmed to be gensler's

133F, 680m in total, concrete up to 580m......it says they might make for the parts above 580m

Tom_Green

March 7th, 2008, 11:42 AM

If they build a 680m tall skyscraper, they have to build a 580m tower, too. It`s just my opinion of making the most impressive cluster in the world. :D

z0rg

March 7th, 2008, 11:46 AM

one of the two final chosen design is confirmed to be gensler's

133F, 680m in total, concrete up to 580m......it says they might make for the parts above 580m

Who is the other? The sword?

davee08

March 7th, 2008, 01:43 PM

anyone have the renders for the gensler i forgot which one it was

z0rg

March 7th, 2008, 01:57 PM

anyone have the renders for the gensler i forgot which one it was

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-36P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-36G.jpg) http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-37P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-37G.jpg) http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-44P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-44G.jpg) http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-45P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-45G.jpg) http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-48P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-48G.jpg) http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-49P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-49G.jpg)

Peloso

March 7th, 2008, 02:42 PM

Not totally sure about the others Zorg, but the 2nd pic you posted is not Gensler's project, it's KPF's (also excellent).one of the two final chosen design is confirmed to be gensler's

133F, 680m in total, concrete up to 580m......it says they might make for the parts above 580mHa! Would be great. Are these just rumors or is there any source?

z0rg

March 7th, 2008, 02:53 PM

Not totally sure about the others Zorg, but the 2nd pic you posted is not Gensler's project, it's KPF's (also excellent).Ha! Would be great. Are these just rumors or is there any source?

I'm not sure. That render looks like a mix of KPF and Gensler's proposals, lol.

This is the one by KPF

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-38P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-38G.jpg) http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-39P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-39G.jpg)

Gaeus

March 7th, 2008, 04:38 PM

The first image of post # 890 is the Gensler Proposal. It's interesting that it's not in their official website (www.gensler.com).

foxmulder

March 7th, 2008, 05:03 PM

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-39G.jpg

This migth be the 680m one actually. Its "body" around 600m and another 80m for spire

z0rg

March 7th, 2008, 05:05 PM

^^ Yes, but that's not the one by Gensler but KPF's.

Peloso

March 7th, 2008, 05:11 PM

Hey Zorg, what project were you referring to as "the sword"?

z0rg

March 7th, 2008, 05:14 PM

Hey Zorg, what project were you referring to as "the sword"?

This one, it is the one by Foster I think, not sure. Supposed (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/200611101041370655.jpg) to be 744m tall.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-23P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-23G.jpg) http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-43P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-43G.jpg)

ZZ-II

March 7th, 2008, 05:17 PM

yes, that's the foster proposal

Peloso

March 7th, 2008, 05:46 PM

This one, it is the one by Foster I think, not sure. Supposed (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/200611101041370655.jpg) to be 744m tall.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-23P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-23G.jpg) http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-43P.jpg (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-43G.jpg)Wasn't there a similar one proposed by a Chinese atelier? BTW, it would make more sense if at least one of Shanghai biggies was designed in China.

drunkenmunkey888

March 7th, 2008, 06:07 PM

If they build a 680m tall skyscraper, they have to build a 580m tower, too. It`s just my opinion of making the most impressive cluster in the world. :D

Haha thats actually a pretty brilliant idea to restore the 'aesthetic balance'. I mean they are clearing up all those commieblocks behind Lujiazui right? So wouldn't a 580m building not be out of the question?

z0rg

March 7th, 2008, 06:13 PM

Wasn't there a similar one proposed by a Chinese atelier? BTW, it would make more sense if at least one of Shanghai biggies was designed in China.

I'm not sure. According to SSP, this one is Foster's:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/forst-1_XkrieygoaAav.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/fors2_fs0xJZ9QeeTM.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/129322_1160115753.jpg

And "the sword" is by SIADR instead (Shanghai based studio). But according to ss.cn, the sword was designed by Foster. I don't know what to think since Foster's website doesn't show anyone. This is a huge mess, we can't even identify most proposals. And we only know the official height of SOM's.

kix111

March 7th, 2008, 09:04 PM

Ha! Would be great. Are these just rumors or is there any source?

i do not think its a runmor, its the lead construction worker for swfc who recieved the project..and posted on ssc.cn

Comdot

March 7th, 2008, 09:17 PM

i do not think its a runmor, its the lead construction worker for swfc who recieved the project..and posted on ssc.cn

if only i read mandarin i'd be able to verify this on ssc.cn. hope to start learning next year though.

Peloso

March 8th, 2008, 04:07 AM

i do not think its a runmor, its the lead construction worker for swfc who recieved the project..and posted on ssc.cnCould you be so kind as to give me the exact link?

kix111

March 8th, 2008, 05:35 AM

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/viewthread.php?tid=94797&extra=page%3D1

heres the link, and you need to register the forum, and make over like 400 posts to see that thread

Peloso

March 8th, 2008, 06:30 AM

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/viewthread.php?tid=94797&extra=page%3D1

heres the link, and you need to register the forum, and make over like 400 posts to see that threadUmm... thanks anyway.:lol:

kix111

March 8th, 2008, 06:48 AM

no problem, they set the limitation to prevent journalists to see the thread =)

helghast

March 9th, 2008, 12:33 AM

i reall dont think there going over 600m, because i highly doubt they want it to look out of place

Comdot

March 9th, 2008, 12:49 AM

does anyone know how they keep the pollution out of the air supply in these offices? filters? where does the air enter the building?

davee08

March 9th, 2008, 01:46 AM

as much as i'd like to keep three supertalls in sync i'd love to see how high they can really go eventually they'll build more and more supertalls as there is so much potential for growth especially with commieblocks in the vicinity

kunming

March 14th, 2008, 11:29 AM

i just don't see that it's possible that it's going to be completed in 2010. Any updates?

Stephan23

March 15th, 2008, 01:11 PM

From where are the 118 floors??

davee08

March 15th, 2008, 04:22 PM

From where are the 118 floors??

they haven't exactly decided the winning design for the tower as of the moment and really just preparing the site up for construction to begin its just that it says in the title 580m 118floors is for the SOM design tower which is one of the proposals which is not bad at all but in my opinion i just hope its a lot taller than that!

buildmilehightower

April 17th, 2008, 11:40 PM

With this tower added to pudobg, it'll look like a stair, with jin mao at the bottom, shanghai centre on top and shanghai wfc right in the middle.

is the foundation in progress now?

z0rg

April 17th, 2008, 11:53 PM

is the foundation in progress now?

No, hehe :D

A couple of weeks ago, a forumer working in the project posted at skyscrapers.cn that the final design would be released on April 18th, tomorrow!! However, some days later he said that it will be delayed again, probably because they will revise the height upwards before releasing the final project. Gensler is rumoured to be the chosen design, but who knows.

Densetsu

April 18th, 2008, 08:38 AM

so we wont get the design tomorrow! how sad:no:

foxmulder

April 18th, 2008, 03:31 PM

I liked this one, too but I guess it never had a chance. It looked like came from Coruscant.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441922.jpg

ZZ-II

April 18th, 2008, 11:47 PM

No, hehe :D

A couple of weeks ago, a forumer working in the project posted at skyscrapers.cn that the final design would be released on April 18th, tomorrow!! However, some days later he said that it will be delayed again, probably because they will revise the height upwards before releasing the final project. Gensler is rumoured to be the chosen design, but who knows.

height increase? maybe we can really expect an 700m tower, would be wonderful :cheers:

CHAPINM1

April 19th, 2008, 12:01 AM

height increase? maybe we can really expect an 700m tower, would be wonderful :cheers:

ha

vanhenrik

April 19th, 2008, 01:13 AM

this bulding is the most buteful one
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-42G.gif

but pudong needs this one to stand out
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/sg-44G.jpg

Shezan

April 19th, 2008, 02:00 AM

stunning renderings...

z0rg

April 19th, 2008, 05:00 AM

Gensler is supposed to be the winner. Can't confirm, no official. No height or no. of floors.

New renders, posted by 水中的玻璃杯
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1208550050.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1208550141.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1208550188.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1208550206.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1208550233.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1208550254.jpg

The first render is the best to guess the height imo. Looks to be 100-150m higher than SWFC.

teddybear

April 19th, 2008, 05:32 AM

^It looks like, about 700m at least?

helghast

April 19th, 2008, 07:43 AM

i'd say 650m

vanhenrik

April 19th, 2008, 08:06 AM

if this one is to be bult i onley can say WOW
end welcome in to the star wars age !
it is so futuristc end slander i wonder
if even this tower is going to have en ob deck ?

RON-E

April 19th, 2008, 08:08 AM

this is amazing! Shanghai is the on the fore front of having the most futuristic skyline in the world!

giovani kun

April 19th, 2008, 08:12 AM

we should wait for some news...they should come soon :)

Locke

April 19th, 2008, 08:23 AM

UD2

April 19th, 2008, 09:21 AM

Good design, but usable floorspace to height and foot print is gonna be painfully small. That entire gap besteen the exterior and interor facade seems really big.

big-dog

April 19th, 2008, 09:39 AM

Like a shark :) I've never seen a thread reaches 1000 posts before its final design is released.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/1208550188.jpg

Skymyhusband

April 19th, 2008, 09:57 AM

Great design ^^

conc.man

April 19th, 2008, 10:17 AM

Good design, but usable floorspace to height and foot print is gonna be painfully small. That entire gap besteen the exterior and interor facade seems really big.
I think the design is sth similar to Foster's Commerzbank Headquarters, the space maybe a part of internal environmental control system to reduce energy consumption.

http://web.mit.edu/meelena/www/urban-nature/images/foster/11.jpg

Wait for more details to confirm.

kix111

April 19th, 2008, 11:49 AM

hey look there is an observation deck?

gonna beat SWFC's

Chad

April 19th, 2008, 01:34 PM

Another bottle opener?

staff

April 19th, 2008, 01:39 PM

That's a spectacular design.

Peloso

April 19th, 2008, 02:01 PM

Meh, it's a good second tier type mega tall.

Would have been mega impressive pre-Dubai, but post Dubai, well it's not about to compete with the Al Burj or even the Burj Dubai.

To that extent this is a generic mega tall in my books, much like the SWFC, tall but not tall enough to be famous to the layperson.

Design is good of course, but not iconic, doesn't resolve very well up top.Let's put it this way, Shanghai will have the top skyline in the world for a city, whereas Dubai will have the top skyline for an oil executive theme park. I know someone may feel slightly offended by this definition, but actually they belong in different categories.
But then, of course height is not the only defining character of great buildings, so I'm convinced Shanghai will be able to compete with Dubai's skyline, even if Dubai builds one or two more monsters. One has also to keep in mind that Dubai's booming phase may end in some years' time, but Shanghai's hardly will.
Back to topic: Gensler design is great, yet will be a chore to build - Very intricate structure for a megatall. Being very picky, I don't like the way they redesigned the top part. Oh well.