380.000 sqm or 517.000 sqm is both actually not a lot for such a tall tower. BK tower as well. It's all about the height.

Not that long as you think.
Well, Shanghai is rising fast. The city is on the right track. Shanghai is building itself into an international financial,economic,trade and shipping center. By 2020, Shanghai will be on par with New York in financial field. My home city will be comparable to New York in the near future. Shanghai is ambitious to achieve that goal. My home city is fighting strong for its future! :cheers:
IMO if I still have to go to Hong Kong to invest in Chinese companies, that means Shanghai has a ways to go before calling itself a world financial centre on par with NY, London, or HK.

IMO if I still have to go to Hong Kong to invest in Chinese companies, that means Shanghai has a ways to go before calling itself a world financial centre on par with NY, London, or HK.

Things are CHANGING . Believe it or not, Shanghai will replace HK to become the most important financial hub in Asia soon. :cheers:

Depends if the country will open up the Renminbi and the country itself. It's still all about China, the Chinese attitude is not so international (yet).

Things are CHANGING . Believe it or not, Shanghai will replace HK to become the most important financial hub in Asia soon. :cheers:

Good luck with that. Maybe when a typhoon wipes out HK, Shanghai has got a chance. Some fancy supertalls don't make a city a financial center, even the commie brothers are beginning to understand that lol.

^^In that case HK is also just a piece of fancy skyscrapers. Your attitude is very old fashion, people like you are living in the old age and cannot accept or understand the growing importance of Shanghai.

Depends if the country will open up the Renminbi and the country itself. It's still all about China, the Chinese attitude is not so international (yet).
Shanghainese people definitely have a more international foreign-thinking than, let's say, their korean and japanese neighbours in Seoul and Tokyo. Even though they cannot speak for the whole of China, you people seem to criticize Shanghai itself as not being “international enough”. I still don’t understand where you get these strange opinions from, maybe its just a lot of tragic prejudices. I suggest you watch this video and get yourself updated about what’s going on in this city.

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The reason Hong Kong is a financial center of global importance is due to its proximity to mainland China. Shanghai doesn't even need to gain all the qualities HK has to beat it as a financial center. It will happen sooner than later simply because it's the main financial and trade hub of what is becoming the largest consumer and financial market in the world. Getting direct access and being INSIDE that market is a very important qualifying factor. This is the reason why Shanghai will outweigh Hong Kong as a financial center in a matter of a few years. Maybe it will have less international exposure but that's not the most important thing anyway.

The reason Hong Kong is a financial center of global importance is due to its proximity to mainland China. Shanghai doesn't even need to gain all the qualities HK has to beat it as a financial center. It will happen sooner than later simply because it's the main financial and trade hub of what is becoming the largest consumer and financial market in the world. Getting direct access and being INSIDE that market is a very important qualifying factor. This is the reason why Shanghai will outweigh Hong Kong as a financial center in a matter of a few years. Maybe it will have less international exposure but that's not the most important thing anyway.People have been saying that for more than 15 years, yet Shanghai is still at least a decade away from catching Hong Kong. I'm not saying it will never happen, merely pointing out that these predictions have been too hasty before. Right now global banks don't want to be inside China. They prefer to be a little outside, under laws and regulations they trust.

^^In that case HK is also just a piece of fancy skyscrapers. Your attitude is very old fashion, people like you are living in the old age and cannot accept or understand the growing importance of Shanghai.


Shanghainese people definitely have a more international foreign-thinking than, let's say, their korean and japanese neighbours in Seoul and Tokyo. Even though they cannot speak for the whole of China, you people seem to criticize Shanghai itself as not being “international enough”. I still don’t understand where you get these strange opinions from, maybe its just a lot of tragic prejudices. I suggest you watch this video and get yourself updated about what’s going on in this city.

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People have been saying that for more than 15 years, yet Shanghai is still at least a decade away from catching Hong Kong. I'm not saying it will never happen, merely pointing out that these predictions have been too hasty before. Right now global banks don't want to be inside China. They prefer to be a little outside, under laws and regulations they trust.

I really doubt anyone was saying that in a few years Shanghai would overtake Hong Kong in 1990 or 1995 ;)

Back in those days China's transport and other infrastructure was rather miserable. You can't have a financial center without having infrastructure. Now Shanghai has it and is well connected to the rest of China as well as the world. So 10 years is perhaps the most we can give. Probably less than that.

I really doubt anyone was saying that in a few years Shanghai would overtake Hong Kong in 1990 or 1995 ;)Yes they were. This discussion was common in Hong Kong in 1996. They thought Shanghai would suprass Hong Kong within a couple of years. It was seen as an immediate threat. I had the same debate with university friends from Shanghai and Hong Kong in my first year at uni back in 1996. That's 16 years ago now.Back in those days China's transport and other infrastructure was rather miserable. You can't have a financial center without having infrastructure. Now Shanghai has it and is well connected to the rest of China as well as the world. So 10 years is perhaps the most we can give. Probably less than that.If physical infrastructure was the main key, then Seoul and Beijing would have as big a chance as Shanghai, and Tokyo's position wouldn't be under threat. What really counts is soft infrastructure (laws, regulation, transparency) and a cluster of experienced professionals and support services. You can't build those by pouring concrete. As of now China (and hence Shanghai) doesn't have a freely convertable currency, which is a huge handicap to its emergence as a world class financial centre. There are moves towards this, but even they are being prioneered through Hong Kong (Chinese centre) and London (global centre) rather than Shanghai.

Come on gents, back on topic please. The poster of posts 9742, 9743 reported along with posts 9767/68 for carrying on the BS.

^^In that case HK is also just a piece of fancy skyscrapers. Your attitude is very old fashion, people like you are living in the old age and cannot accept or understand the growing importance of Shanghai.


Yes, HK is also a piece of fancy skyscrapers. But compared to SH it has more to offer, read Langur' post:

What really counts is soft infrastructure (laws, regulation, transparency) and a cluster of experienced professionals and support services.

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Many thx Nordschleife :). it's not even half way up and no cladding yet but it looks very impressive already :)

Very nice photos :okay: keep em going Nord :) will be interesting to see how cladding improve

380.000 sqm or 517.000 sqm is both actually not a lot for such a tall tower. BK tower as well. It's all about the height.

The Abraj Tower Complex is at 1.500.000 sqm, but that thing is a freaking mountain :nuts:

This building when complete Might not be as tall as burj khalifa in dubai but i think it will make a bigger impact and look better

The Abraj Tower Complex is at 1.500.000 sqm, but that thing is a freaking mountain :nuts:

yeh, but would be interesting to know how much sqm just the main tower has :)

Off topic; but I see piling machines next to SWFC where that car park was. Anyone have any ideas?

I really doubt anyone was saying that in a few years Shanghai would overtake Hong Kong in 1990 or 1995 ;)

Back in those days China's transport and other infrastructure was rather miserable. You can't have a financial center without having infrastructure. Now Shanghai has it and is well connected to the rest of China as well as the world. So 10 years is perhaps the most we can give. Probably less than that.
you dont seem to understand why hong kong is as powerful as it is. it is considerably more powerful than shanghai because it is more appealing to international bussiness and fincance, and that is because it operates under a low-regulation, capitalist-centered economy and political system. until shanghai develops such a system, it will never catch hong kong.

you dont seem to understand why hong kong is as powerful as it is. it is considerably more powerful than shanghai because it is more appealing to international bussiness and fincance, and that is because it operates under a low-regulation, capitalist-centered economy and political system. until shanghai develops such a system, it will never catch hong kong.

Agree, China is a socialist country.

Wow, Nord, your pics are fuckin epic! Just wow!

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you dont seem to understand why hong kong is as powerful as it is. it is considerably more powerful than shanghai because it is more appealing to international bussiness and fincance, and that is because it operates under a low-regulation, capitalist-centered economy and political system. until shanghai develops such a system, it will never catch hong kong.
The reason is rather that Hong Kong has had a 100 year head-start on Shanghai. And the Chinese government has no interest in 'beating' Hong Kong just for the heck of it, as what is good for HK is good for China.

Singapore is operated under a similar system as PRC (which is indeed capitalist as well-- don't be fooled by the nominal 'Communist Party' denomination), yet it is a business- and financial hub of massive proportions despite its fairly small size.

The reason is rather that Hong Kong has had a 100 year head-start on Shanghai. And the Chinese government has no interest in 'beating' Hong Kong just for the heck of it, as what is good for HK is good for China.

Singapore is operated under a similar system as PRC (which is indeed capitalist as well-- don't be fooled by the nominal 'Communist Party' denomination), yet it is a business- and financial hub of massive proportions despite its fairly small size.
comparing singapore to the prc is like comparing a gorilla to a whale. come back when you have a reasonable argument.

The truss belt is complex as hell, kudos to the workers still building it when the New Year is fast approaching.

Off topic; but I see piling machines next to SWFC where that car park was. Anyone have any ideas?

You talking about the first pic in #9782? I see those orange colored things too, but when I was there last month I didn't see anything major going on, maybe they are building a platform for some event, it happens quite often over there.

^^I noticed that too when i was in Shanghai. The land next to Jinmao looks also being redeveloped.

Another thing i noticed, they are digging a huge foundation for some structure (probably a building by the size of it) near the river, in front of Citi Bank and Aurora tower.

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That's great if they would build something next to the SWFC and the Jin Mao, both plots are really useless, to much open space in Luijzahui.

Also saw that they are working on a foundation right in front of the Aurora tower and super brand mall. But no idea what they are planning, maybe just a parking garage. Restaurants in the Super Brand Mall will not be happy if some building is going to block their view.

Shanghainese people definitely have a more international foreign-thinking than, let's say, their korean and japanese neighbours in Seoul and Tokyo. Even though they cannot speak for the whole of China, you people seem to criticize Shanghai itself as not being “international enough”. I still don’t understand where you get these strange opinions from, maybe its just a lot of tragic prejudices. I suggest you watch this video and get yourself updated about what’s going on in this city.

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Haha, that's already where it starts, China blocks youtube, so can't see the video the normal way.

If you want to internationalize you have to open up, like the freedom of speech. I see it everyday here, most Chinese (including Shanghainese) have no clue how the rest of the world works (which might be due to the government). I don't care, but if you want to be an international (finance) centre, you need to know more about the world.

^^I noticed that too when i was in Shanghai. The land next to Jinmao looks also being redeveloped.

Another thing i noticed, they are digging a huge foundation for some structure (probably a building by the size of it) near the river, in front of Citi Bank and Aurora tower.

This is certainly good news. I remember back in the early 2000's when each building in Lujiazui (there weren't even that many back then) was surrounded by a huge parking lot and a garden, which definitely contributed to the barrenness and pedestrian unfriendliness and lack of density.

Now it looks like they are taking steps to fill out those useless lots and parks surrounding the buildings and adding some much needed density. I remember reading that Shanghai city planners are fully aware that Lujiazui needs more vibrancy and it's great to see changes being made.

Hopefully these will work out. If so, the supertalls, pedestrian walkways, and added density would make Lujiazui rival Central/Admiralty's grandeur and iconic-ness.

Nord's new shots are simply stunning. Love that nightview! And I agree what some people said before, even though it has no cladding yet it still looks damn good…

If you want to internationalize you have to open up, like the freedom of speech. I see it everyday here, most Chinese (including Shanghainese) have no clue how the rest of the world works (which might be due to the government). I don't care, but if you want to be an international (finance) centre, you need to know more about the world.
Perfect, just like the average american then? Now drop this talk, I see no reason to call a whole population stupid. Anyway, what the video proves it that the Chinese people know the names of both Western and Asian leaders, while lets say Americans only know the names of Western leaders.

Nord's new shots are simply stunning. Love that nightview! And I agree what some people said before, even though it has no cladding yet it still looks damn good…


Perfect, just like the average american then? Now drop this talk, I see no reason to call a whole population stupid. Anyway, what the video proves it that the Chinese people know the names of both Western and Asian leaders, while lets say Americans only know the names of Western leaders.

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The truth is: People from Big Countries like China and US, they tend to more focus on domestic issues than the international affairs, cs there are way enough things going on within the country for them to worry about...That's why people from small to medium size countries like the Netherlands and UK keep accusing China and US being the hells of Great-nation Chauvinism or Chinese/Americans being egoists. Chinese are simply not on the same wavelength as the small-nation Syndrome Europeans. :lol:

nice image!very stunning building!

Am I the only one who thinks that the space around this towers should stay empty? Densifying the area would create a NY kind of experience: canyons. But we already have NY, and every other city in the world building skyscrapers is heading towards the same experience. We need a new experience!
And I think Lujiazui with it's spread out supertalls is great, maybe not for the day by day life, but for the one time tourist kick it's just perfect: the dimensions of towers and the streets should make you feel very small and you have full view on each of the towers. This is more like a giant forest.
I would like to see them keeping and extending this kind of urban development, more and higher towers but with same density.

Nord's new shots are simply stunning. Love that nightview! And I agree what some people said before, even though it has no cladding yet it still looks damn good…


Perfect, just like the average american then? Now drop this talk, I see no reason to call a whole population stupid. Anyway, what the video proves it that the Chinese people know the names of both Western and Asian leaders, while lets say Americans only know the names of Western leaders.

True, we can have a long discussion about this, but everyone has a different view on the topic (which is actually nice for a discussion). Don't think it really matters, Shanghai is not HK or NY and will always be different (not saying better or worse), just because of the fact it is in China. International or not it will always be focussed on the huge Chinese market.

Back on topic;
Saw today that the cranes are still moving. Will they continue during Chinese Newyear? Many other projects are already shut down.

good documentory, just saw the whole thing, but it was very british haha :lol:

True, we can have a long discussion about this, but everyone has a different view on the topic (which is actually nice for a discussion). Don't think it really matters, Shanghai is not HK or NY and will always be different (not saying better or worse), just because of the fact it is in China. International or not it will always be focussed on the huge Chinese market.

Back on topic;
Saw today that the cranes are still moving. Will they continue during Chinese Newyear? Many other projects are already shut down.

I'd be very surprised if it didn't at least shut down during the week-long government holiday (22-29 January).

Refelction and Shadow of ST on SWFC! :lol: :lol:

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This is certainly good news. I remember back in the early 2000's when each building in Lujiazui (there weren't even that many back then) was surrounded by a huge parking lot and a garden, which definitely contributed to the barrenness and pedestrian unfriendliness and lack of density.

Now it looks like they are taking steps to fill out those useless lots and parks surrounding the buildings and adding some much needed density. I remember reading that Shanghai city planners are fully aware that Lujiazui needs more vibrancy and it's great to see changes being made.

Hopefully these will work out. If so, the supertalls, pedestrian walkways, and added density would make Lujiazui rival Central/Admiralty's grandeur and iconic-ness.


Ahhh, your mind thoughts are exactly like mine!! This is exactly how I'm thinking.

One thing, when you mean 'back in 2000...' do you mean that now, the plots are being reduced/use up and new skyscrapers will have smaller plots? What happened to the 'huge' plots back then?

Also do you remember where you read about the Shanghai planners realising Lujiazui needs more density?



Am I the only one who thinks that the space around this towers should stay empty? Densifying the area would create a NY kind of experience: canyons. But we already have NY, and every other city in the world building skyscrapers is heading towards the same experience. We need a new experience!
And I think Lujiazui with it's spread out supertalls is great, maybe not for the day by day life, but for the one time tourist kick it's just perfect: the dimensions of towers and the streets should make you feel very small and you have full view on each of the towers. This is more like a giant forest.
I would like to see them keeping and extending this kind of urban development, more and higher towers but with same density.

Hmmm, I completely disagree. Densifying an area doesn't 'create a NY kind of experience'. It's done for the cities own purpose and practicality. Does that mean any city that wishes to densify for whatever reason suddenly is 'accused' of trying to imitate NY??

And not every other city is trying to imitate NY. I can't think of one city that is trying to imitate NY. Maybe Chongqing but that is just normal, regular development in an island/peninsular that happens to be similar to the island of Manhattan, thus leading to the natural, dense development.
If anything, I think as you put it, 'imitating NYC' is rarer and much better of an 'experience' than having less dense since more CBD's around the world (especially newer ones) are spread out and less dense.

Lastly, I think it's better for the tourist when it's denser, in terms of practicality and photogenic-ness. Yes, you feel small amongst huge skyscrapers, but there is not difference if it was denser. In Hong Kong in Central/Admiralty/Wan Chai where the skyscrapers are literally next to each other similar to NY, I felt the same looming, grand feeling.

Just my opinion :)

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Ahhh, your mind thoughts are exactly like mine!! This is exactly how I'm thinking.

One thing, when you mean 'back in 2000...' do you mean that now, the plots are being reduced/use up and new skyscrapers will have smaller plots? What happened to the 'huge' plots back then?

Also do you remember where you read about the Shanghai planners realising Lujiazui needs more density?


Yes, back then, you'll notice that a building occupied a massive plot with gardens and parking lots beside it. This was especially true for the area now occupied by Jasper Tower, Development Tower, Merryland Tower, etc. It wasn't that the new skyscrapers have smaller plots per se, but that there was a lot of vacant space around a building. I wish I had a picture to show you but I'm not having much luck digging one up right now. It's not so much new skyscrapers will have smaller plots by design but that the vacant spaces are being filled in (like the space next to Jin Mao). In fact, if you go onto Google Maps now, you'll see that that plot next to Jin Mao was still a well manicured park/garden. Good riddence!

Haha hopefully, wishfully, maybe someday, that useless waste of space they call Lujiazui Park will also be carved up and filled in with beautiful office buildings with vibrant retail at the ground level.

I don't remember exactly where I read it, but it might have been a link to a china daily article in a post in the Shanghai Projects and Construction thread. The shift from space to density is surprisingly not that unique. It still amazes me when I see pictures of Shinjuku or Taipei back in the day (1980s) how they looked as lifeless, barren, and spread out as Lujiazui today. At this rate, I'm sure Lujiazui by mid 2020's would be just as awesome.

Hmmm, I completely disagree. Densifying an area doesn't 'create a NY kind of experience'. It's done for the cities own purpose and practicality. Does that mean any city that wishes to densify for whatever reason suddenly is 'accused' of trying to imitate NY??

And not every other city is trying to imitate NY. I can't think of one city that is trying to imitate NY. Maybe Chongqing but that is just normal, regular development in an island/peninsular that happens to be similar to the island of Manhattan, thus leading to the natural, dense development.
If anything, I think as you put it, 'imitating NYC' is rarer and much better of an 'experience' than having less dense since more CBD's around the world (especially newer ones) are spread out and less dense.

Lastly, I think it's better for the tourist when it's denser, in terms of practicality and photogenic-ness. Yes, you feel small amongst huge skyscrapers, but there is not difference if it was denser. In Hong Kong in Central/Admiralty/Wan Chai where the skyscrapers are literally next to each other similar to NY, I felt the same looming, grand feeling.

Just my opinion :)
Too much highrise density is a good friend of photographer who like to shoot skylines, an exciting birdview opening in a movie, but for people live with it everyday it's just a disaster.

Too much highrise density is a good friend of photographer who like to shoot skylines, an exciting birdview opening in a movie, but for people live with it everyday it's just a disaster.

The mile long blocks and frustratingly vast stretches of useless open space and lack of retail in Shanghai is horrendous to put up with on a daily basis. When working 80+ hours a week, the last thing you care about is the open space and gardens surrounding your office. All you want is quick access to the subway and convenient retail food places around you, neither of which Lujiazui offers (few offices are within comfortable walking distance to line 2 and super brand mall).

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Wow... Jin Mao and SWFC (even more) look killer in this pic. It will be hell of a spot for pictures when the ST is done. :cheers:

The mile long blocks and frustratingly vast stretches of useless open space and lack of retail in Shanghai is horrendous to put up with on a daily basis. When working 80+ hours a week, the last thing you care about is the open space and gardens surrounding your office. All you want is quick access to the subway and convenient retail food places around you, neither of which Lujiazui offers (few offices are within comfortable walking distance to line 2 and super brand mall).
Two sides of a coin, it's always about balance and tradeoff. Personally I prefer more open space, it could transform into more lively and pedestrian friendly area with proper design if the owner or the public is willing to change. But for mature urban area the opposite way of transformation is much more difficult, most of time just complex property rights could kill all good wills.

As current situation of Lujiazui, it does need some changes we are talking about. In my wild dream they should turn the triangular areas among three towers into a plaza:), fill with some openair or temporary structure restaurants, small shops, snack bar, something like that.

The mile long blocks and frustratingly vast stretches of useless open space and lack of retail in Shanghai is horrendous to put up with on a daily basis. When working 80+ hours a week, the last thing you care about is the open space and gardens surrounding your office. All you want is quick access to the subway and convenient retail food places around you, neither of which Lujiazui offers (few offices are within comfortable walking distance to line 2 and super brand mall).

Do you mean retail places to consume cooked food, or retail places to carry away packed food from?

Do you mean retail places to consume cooked food, or retail places to carry away packed food from?I mean "temporary", bringing more street life and keeping flexibility, something like tents or light steel temporary constructions or just a flow design change, it could be restaurant, coffee shop, or brothel:)

I want to see cladding !!! :(

I want to see cladding !!! :(

Me too :), but i guess we still have to wait a bit.

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I mean "temporary", bringing more street life and keeping flexibility, something like tents or light steel temporary constructions or just a flow design change, it could be restaurant, coffee shop, or brothel:)

Why temporary?

Why not permanently constructed one or two storey malls, with commercial spaces for retail and services, doors to sidewalk and to indoors (heated and air conditioned) arcades, and stairs and lifts to roof gardens and bridges across roads?

Brothels may be more conveniently operated from bedrooms of residential and hotel rooms. Which exist in Shanghai Tower. What will be the highest brothel?

Nice progress since my last visit on this topic! Thx for the pictures!

This thread now has 492 pages, equal to the number of meters Shanghai World Financial Center is tall! :D

I want to see cladding !!! :(

2 more months I think they might be willing to start on that

current hight? close to 300 metres?

current hight? close to 300 metres?

Nah, it can't be much above 250m, imo.

^^Looking at this pic, i guess ST is around 250, ST looks the same height as the IFCs.

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Yes it is about 250 meters right now.
And thanks to sissi121 I could answer several other questions as well.
*There is a 5 day break due to the spring festival.
*The cladding work will begin at late May.
*The core will reach approximately 400m by the end of this year.

Thank you for sharing with us the info :)

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SWFC is just HUGE!

omg,swfc look so gigantic!really love it!jin mao is missing!lol

Indeed, looks strange.:)

amazing pictures !!!!

ST is already quite tall...but it looks so damn small against SWFC in the last pic :nuts:

Back on topic;
Saw today that the cranes are still moving. Will they continue during Chinese Newyear? Many other projects are already shut down.

Really? That's surprising considering how close Chinese New Year is, with Shanghai's wage level they will have to pay a hefty overtime pay to keep construction going.

Any idea of when this will be T/O?

Any idea of when this will be T/O?

beginning of 2014 i guess

According to this:

http://house.hexun.com/2012-01-20/137450254.html

Current high - 230m - 50 fl
By the end of the year it will reach 400m

Brothels may be more conveniently operated from bedrooms of residential and hotel rooms. Which exist in Shanghai Tower. What will be the highest brothel?Well, that's one interesting question. Someone in Shanghai enlighten us? :lol:

^^Dont think those are legal in China.. its more like the world's highest 'message'..

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In the last picture Shanghai really proves that the future is now. :D

indeed, looks very futuristic and impressive :)

In the last picture Shanghai really proves that the future is now. :D

no the present is now the future is tomorrow and even a second after you read this comment!

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Why there is a Four Seasons sign on the 21st Century Tower?

Wow what an awesone sight the Shanghai skyline is.

Why there is a Four Seasons sign on the 21st Century Tower?

Because Four Seasons is opening a new hotel there plus managed apartments.

Those photos are seriously some bad-ass motherfuckas (recalling that quote by S.A.Jackson in Pulp Fiction). Wow, just wow. What a place.

In the last picture Shanghai really proves that the future is now. :D

No, it proves that the chinese don't give a fuck about global warming.....turn some of those lights off you bastards. :lol:

^^Its winter in Shanghai and its the end of the year, people are quite busy, but you probably joking anyways...

I was :wink2:

Yup im saying its the best time of the year to take photos~

no the present is now the future is tomorrow and even a second after you read this comment!

Okay im in the future then. Im a few seconds after reading your comment.

Yup im saying its the best time of the year to take photos~

Don't think it is that good weather for pictures lately, lot's of grey rainy days. Today again, last year Chinese NY was much nicer, but colder.

Looks like the Chinese NY break also started at the ST.

Tower is reaching upward. Good job.

Fall is probably the best season to take picture in Shanghai.

hermosa shangai

^^Dont think those are legal in China.. its more like the world's highest 'message'..

They're not legal but I did go to one in Shanghai, a "lady bar"....not recommended since they screw you on drink prices and run up your bill like crazy....at least they did at the one I went to.

Anyway, I guess to stay on topic, I saw the Shanghai tower plot the day before. :cheers:

Here's a pic from a few months ago showing the Shanghai Tower going up between Shanghai World Financial Center and Jinmao and the view from the bar at the Hyatt across the street. We visited Shanghai as part of a year-long around-the-world journey. See more at: http://www.changesinlongitude.com/

Cheers!

Larissa and Michael

http://www.changesinlongitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Shanghai-Tower-UC-e1316659851344.jpg

http://www.changesinlongitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Shanghai-Tower-under-construction1-e1316660190215.jpg

im longing for that angle in the first pic

still on the mech floor for now :)

any update with photos? :):)

any update with photos? :):)

Nothing is happing in all of China for another week due to Chinese New Year:bash:

^^ oh yes, right, forgot that :(

by zhanker
http://pic.gaoloumi.com/attachments/day_120127/1201270217fe4760ab50c0fbae.jpg

^^^^
Huge transformation!

Wow, they do think long term indeed

^^ What year is the lower photo taken of the above two photos

Hi all.

Hi Surf.

I have a shot in my collection from the same spot - slightly different angle - the development looks pretty similar.
The photog dated it 1990.
Perhaps our guys from Shanghai can verify that.

:cheers:
Ray.

I think it's indeed 1990. Amazing! I simply have no words. A little more than 20 years. Incredible. 1990 already seems like ages ago. The skyline now looks so futuristic if I didn't know better I would have thought that the photo's could be easily 60 years apart.

Shanghai is not my favorite skyline at all

wonderful image

The great transformation of the city. :cheers2:

now what will it look like 20 years in the future :cheers:

^^ even more of an epic utopia! I hope I can visit china soon :)

why does shanghai have european buildings?

why does shanghai have european buildings?

the british have been there.

the british have been there.

And like 10 other countries lol

why does shanghai have european buildings?

Because for over a century it was basically a European colony . While Europeans never moved en masse to Shanghai , there were numerous foreign concessions (districts ) pretty much taken at the point of a gun and developed along European lines . Virtually every European power set up shop in Shanghai prior to the Japanese invasion . Americans and Japanese also had/took chunks of land around Shanghai . Shanghai really wasn't all that important until around the 16th century . Well , important is a relative term here but in any case it wasn't until foreigners kicked in the door that Shanghai became any sort of international city . For better or for worse , foreign influence in Shanghai has made it into the city it's become . It's also served as something of a refugee camp although nobody ever bothered to ask the Chinese how they felt about it .

To get an idea of what kind of influence various global powers have had in Shanghai , watch a movie called Empire of the Sun .

by zhanker
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Incredible, and that in less than 25 years.

Imaizing great progress.

you should see the difference in the view from the other angle - of the Puxi side of the river, which is a sea of thousands of highrises.

None of these were about in 1990:

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2720/shanghai.jpg

by Sh!N on gaoloumi.com

seems like they have been working on the core, whats happening to the third truss belt? i think the core is about 280m now

http://iforce.co.nz/i/43qhv4vt.whe.jpg (http://www.iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=43qhv4vt.whe.jpg)


http://iforce.co.nz/i/h5nkswuj.t0x.jpg (http://www.iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=h5nkswuj.t0x.jpg)

you should see the difference in the view from the other angle - of the Puxi side of the river, which is a sea of thousands of highrises.

None of these were about in 1990:

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2720/shanghai.jpg

So many buildings were needed (and still needed) to house the ever-increasing population of Shanghai. :D

^yep, housing 10,000 newcomers a day by the mid-noughties, and still going strong, and building more highrise space (mostly residential of course) than all of Manhattan's office supply each year. That's why it has over 4,000 highrises now and counting.

that core seems to have risen quite a lot.

the core has risen quite a lot, I believe starting from Monday will be getting at full speed once more all across China :)

Nice panorama

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seems like they have been working on the core, whats happening to the third truss belt? i think the core is about 280m now



So how long is left till the core becomes a supertall?

^^not sure =/

http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/large/6489e448jw1dpkfw6vvdvj.jpg

So how long is left till the core becomes a supertall?

I think there are still 40 meters to build before reaching 300m.

^yep, housing 10,000 newcomers a day by the mid-noughties, and still going strong, and building more highrise space (mostly residential of course) than all of Manhattan's office supply each year. That's why it has over 4,000 highrises now and counting.


Where did you get those numbers from? no offense, but that sounds hard to believe

The city's population increased about 7 million during the last decade, so that means an average 2000 newcomers each day.

I love seeing this tower growing. It is my favourite in the world.

^yep, housing 10,000 newcomers a day by the mid-noughties, and still going strong, and building more highrise space (mostly residential of course) than all of Manhattan's office supply each year. That's why it has over 4,000 highrises now and counting.

How many people would live in 4000 highrise units I wonder.
Would anyone have any idea.

^^ I don't know how much units and people there are in those residential towers but I do know that in China the units are much smaller and there live much more people in the buildings than in residential highrises in the US or in Europe.

^^ I don't know how much units and people there are in those residential towers but I do know that in China the units are much smaller and there live much more people in the buildings than in residential highrises in the US or in Europe.

Ok Thanks:)

A typical high rise apartment building built in the late 90s and early 2000s has about 25 floors, eight units per floor, 1000ft^2/90m^2 per unit, housing a three member family. Most newer high rises are taller but have less units due to increasing unit sizes. People without Shanghai Huko are not counted in the population, but they do live in those high rises, sometimes several people rent together, a lot of wealthier people bought two or three units to rent out also to ride the real estate bubble hoping to turn a profit. Note that a large number of high rises and skyscrapers are office towers and hotels.

It's impossible to calculate.

Does Shanghai ever publish data as to the area and number of existing and new built apartments and offices?

Where did you get those numbers from? no offense, but that sounds hard to believe


In 2003 the govt relaxed the strict hukou system which made it illegal for people to settle in certain cities, and for the first time accepted 'illegal' residents into data, and began providing services for them. The annual population increase rose threefold, from over a million to over 3 million as newcomers flooded in. Beijing saw a similar increase:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=20031206&id=CUxWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8OsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5526,1119828

IN effect the city councils faced a ginormous headache, providing housing and services for 10,000 newcomers a day at the height of the influx, while also for 3 million illegal residents that had already been living there for years.

I walked by today, construction was stalled, when does chinese new year end? I thought it already had?

By jerryang

http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/large/717450fdjw1dpm1xrv01hj.jpg

Nice shots...:okay:

Nice progress of Oriental Financial Center. :)

http://www.51abcd.com/forum/UploadFile/2008-4/200842221365850592.jpg
I for myself like shanghai tower - the dancing tower - I love it :)

beautiful structure ,can't wait when they start to cladding it :)

I walked by today, construction was stalled, when does chinese new year end? I thought it already had?

Maybe it is because of the strong wind today, because I saw the cranes moving a few days ago. Chinese NY finished last Saturday, although monday there is still the lantern festival. I guess after the Lantarn festival it will go to full speed again. Many other projects in town are also still quiet.

expect the first 15 days after Chinese New Year to be quiet. Anything after that, then they are seriously wasting time

I love how I live in Shanghai and still have to look on this site to check the progress of the Shanghai Tower. However, seems like as it gets taller, I will be seeing it here in Xuhui district in a few months.

Haven't been to this thread for a while but, it's great to see the progress!!


http://www.51abcd.com/forum/UploadFile/2008-4/200842221365850592.jpg


The change in style and the degree of excitement from the Jinmao to Shanghai Centre seem to tell what Shanghai (or China in general) is going to show us to the world in the future.
I'm looking forward to seeing it. :)

^^ oh no..... Comments like this is surely going to irritate Jay (the new 'Onn')

Keep it to Shanghai Tower only and not China

Don't like how Jin Mao is such a small tower compared to ST. Jin Mao has so much more detail and class

^^Yup Jinmao will always be my fav <3

^^Yup Jinmao will always be my fav <3

Yepp. But only the people who have stand there will agree with you. Other will value the height much more. Design counts when you see it in person. And at that point Jin Mao rules.

From what I've heard, pictures can't do Jin Mao justice in terms of capturing the intricate detail of the design and cladding. Is this true?

by yzyf_1
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From what I've heard, pictures can't do Jin Mao justice in terms of capturing the intricate detail of the design and cladding. Is this true?

Yeah, Jin Mao has a very unique and beautiful cladding, which is much more impressive to see in person. Definetely the most beautiful building in Shanghai.

From what I've heard, pictures can't do Jin Mao justice in terms of capturing the intricate detail of the design and cladding. Is this true?

Yes. Jin Mao is the most beautiful skyscraper i have seen in person.

i love shanghai IFC twin tower most.

Yepp. But only the people who have stand there will agree with you. Other will value the height much more. Design counts when you see it in person. And at that point Jin Mao rules.

Personally, I like the design of SWFC just as much as Jin Mao. Yes, Jin Mao is very intricate and beautiful, but SWFC is very classy in its own right. It didn't win the best skyscraper of the year when it was finished for nothing, after all.

It might have won it for the year because there was no other tower that was half decent? Who were the competitors for that year?

:cheer:The most beautiful skyscraper in the world! Can not wait until it's done!

It will have spacial sharp.

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5603/82260854.181/0_759e4_e395ca41_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/night-city-dream/view/481764/)

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4512/82260854.182/0_759ec_3aadd6d6_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/night-city-dream/view/481772/)

January 2012.

By 讲义 from a Chinese photography forum (http://www.photofans.cn/forum/showthread.php?forumid=40&threadyear=2012&threadid=12523) :

http://www.photofans.cn/uploads2012/01/userid226804time20120103150843.jpg

http://www.photofans.cn/uploads2012/01/userid226804time20120103150907.jpg

very nice, when is the estimated date of completion?

2014 when i remember right

2014 when i remember right

you do :cheers:

Was this link posted here before? I have seen individual pictures/graphs, but not all of them together:

http://www.gensler.com/uploads/documents/Shanghai_Tower_12_22_2010.pdf

sorry to ask what is current height? just updating diagrams? lev51 244m?

Seems like the workers is back.

Does anyone else think this building looks relatively small (skinny) in person? The renderings make it look like the base is much bigger than Jin Mao or SWFC, but this will be one skinny 2000 foot tower, that's for sure. Not that that's a bad thing

Was this link posted here before? I have seen individual pictures/graphs, but not all of them together:

http://www.gensler.com/uploads/documents/Shanghai_Tower_12_22_2010.pdf


Not sure if it was posted, but this is a GREAT visual. Thanks for sharing!

By mori

http://pic.gaoloumi.com/attachments/day_120207/1202071630f538629dd52ca145.jpg

http://pic.gaoloumi.com/attachments/day_120207/1202071632601b687249fa7386.jpg

http://pic.gaoloumi.com/attachments/day_120207/12020716337bfbeac5e3e6e805.jpg

http://pic.gaoloumi.com/attachments/day_120207/12020716342fd28c2fd35fdc96.jpg

http://pic.gaoloumi.com/attachments/day_120207/1202071635209069e8be192f90.jpg

Indeed, great to see all these information.

Is there any fire-proofing yet?

^^ I have seen in different projects the average speed of core growth is between 1 and 2 floors per week, so you can get an idea.

At the last comparison picture, you can see the core grew just one floor in 3 weeks, but keep in mind the special holidays China just went through.

Omg! It grows extremly fast :cheers:
I think I have to visit Shanghai in future.

Omg! It grows extremly fast :cheers:
I think I have to visit Shanghai in future.

Visiting Shanghai is a must! At least one time in your life! I went there 2 years ago...it is something incredible! Trust me

Does anyone else think this building looks relatively small (skinny) in person? The renderings make it look like the base is much bigger than Jin Mao or SWFC, but this will be one skinny 2000 foot tower, that's for sure. Not that that's a bad thing

Don't forget that there will be a second lair of facade that will make the tower look much bigger than it does now :)

^^ omg you're right! It will look much bigger because of that :cheers:

sorry to ask what is current height? just updating diagrams? lev51 244m?

can anyone see this post?

can anyone see this post?

I could see it, however I'm not aware of the current height! :ohno:


For those who couldn't see could we give Cul a height update?

Hi all.

can anyone see this post?

Hi Cul.

Hard to judge what's behind the forms but I think it is above level 51. 244 meters is the floor of level 52 so the column splice is probably a couple meters below that.

:cheers:
Ray.

By mori

http://pic.gaoloumi.com/attachments/day_120207/1202071632601b687249fa7386.jpg

http://pic.gaoloumi.com/attachments/day_120207/12020716337bfbeac5e3e6e805.jpg

Amazing constructions !!! :nuts:

ST is on your right hand side

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6839909387_490e3e7eed_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billgloveruk/6839909387/)
20120130_005369 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billgloveruk/6839909387/) by Bill Glover (http://www.flickr.com/people/billgloveruk/), on Flickr

^^
What did you do to that photo to make it look like it came from the other side of the Cultural Revolution?

Just can't wait to see cladding on this tower! :cool:

What's its current height (with core)?

what's the speed of creating one floor?

We need answers! :lol:

MASSIVE!

Hi all.

What's its current height (with core)?

Hi Mat.

The answer is on this page ...

:cheers:
Ray.

when will they begin to install glass?

This is new, right?

Mitsubishi unveils super fast bullet-shaped elevator for the Shanghai Tower

http://media.tecca.com/2011/09/29/mw-630-40mph-elevator-630w.jpg

Mitsubishi recently unveiled the mock-up design of its new elevator technology to be used for the currently-in-construction Shanghai Tower in China. Taking on an aerodynamic bullet-shaped form, the elevator can travel at a record-breaking speed of 40.2 mph or roughly 59' per second! In comparison, Burj Khalifa's elevators, can only reach speeds up to 26mph.

Mitsubishi's bullet-like elevator uses a rope made of high-intensity steel strands wrapped in plastic for maximum speed and safety. Aside from being fast, it's also rather green — its motors have the capacity to regenerate electricity, thereby reducing consumption by 30%. Inside the car, various mechanisms minimize vibrations and control air pressure so your ears don't pop while you're traveling upward at that kind of speed.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/mitsubishi-unveils-super-fast-bullet-shaped-elevator-shanghai-224402935.html

BTW, read the usual-crappy-idiotic comments at the bottom :ohno:

Hi all.



Hi Mat.

The answer is on this page ...

:cheers:
Ray.

Oh yes! I didn't see it.
Thank you. :cheers:

when will they begin to install glass?

It has already been mentioned numerous times that cladding will start at the end of May or beginning of June.

This is new, right?

Mitsubishi unveils super fast bullet-shaped elevator for the Shanghai Tower

http://media.tecca.com/2011/09/29/mw-630-40mph-elevator-630w.jpg

Mitsubishi recently unveiled the mock-up design of its new elevator technology to be used for the currently-in-construction Shanghai Tower in China. Taking on an aerodynamic bullet-shaped form, the elevator can travel at a record-breaking speed of 40.2 mph or roughly 59' per second! In comparison, Burj Khalifa's elevators, can only reach speeds up to 26mph.

Mitsubishi's bullet-like elevator uses a rope made of high-intensity steel strands wrapped in plastic for maximum speed and safety. Aside from being fast, it's also rather green — its motors have the capacity to regenerate electricity, thereby reducing consumption by 30%. Inside the car, various mechanisms minimize vibrations and control air pressure so your ears don't pop while you're traveling upward at that kind of speed.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/mitsubishi-unveils-super-fast-bullet-shaped-elevator-shanghai-224402935.html

BTW, read the usual-crappy-idiotic comments at the bottom :ohno:

If they are crap comments, why should I waste my effort reading what a few little fascist inbreds who havent travelled the world beyond thier own borders think, they probably spend all day on youtube watching military videos. I also thought Taipei 101 had the same type of lifts going at that speed

The elevators in the Taipei 101 going at 37,7 mi/h.

If they are crap comments, why should I waste my effort reading what a few little fascist inbreds who havent travelled the world beyond thier own borders think, they probably spend all day on youtube watching military videos. I also thought Taipei 101 had the same type of lifts going at that speed

It's just the Taipei 101 elevators repurposed really. I think Mitsubishi also designed those,

Great building.

This is new, right?

Mitsubishi unveils super fast bullet-shaped elevator for the Shanghai Tower

http://media.tecca.com/2011/09/29/mw-630-40mph-elevator-630w.jpg

Mitsubishi recently unveiled the mock-up design of its new elevator technology to be used for the currently-in-construction Shanghai Tower in China. Taking on an aerodynamic bullet-shaped form, the elevator can travel at a record-breaking speed of 40.2 mph or roughly 59' per second! In comparison, Burj Khalifa's elevators, can only reach speeds up to 26mph.

Mitsubishi's bullet-like elevator uses a rope made of high-intensity steel strands wrapped in plastic for maximum speed and safety. Aside from being fast, it's also rather green — its motors have the capacity to regenerate electricity, thereby reducing consumption by 30%. Inside the car, various mechanisms minimize vibrations and control air pressure so your ears don't pop while you're traveling upward at that kind of speed.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/mitsubishi-unveils-super-fast-bullet-shaped-elevator-shanghai-224402935.html

BTW, read the usual-crappy-idiotic comments at the bottom :ohno:

Nice elevator.....the comments below the article made me laugh :lol:ut l:lol:ud

The elevators in the Taipei 101 going at 37,7 mi/h.

LoL, they mentioned the burj to make shanghai tower look more impressive. Compared to the 101, Shanghai tower is probably just an improvement on their current lift technology, its been quite a few years anyways so new speed +new technology isn't something out of this world

Nice elevator.....the comments below the article made me laugh :lol:ut l:lol:ud

As Albanian, the one saying Albania will (or is) build a 4000 ft tall one, certanly made me :D

BTW: I love Mitsubishi elevators. They are super quiet and smooth, more then any other make I've vertically travelled in :cheers:

Why do these designers create more reasons to be afraid of elevators? :cry:

^^ If anything, I'd find the elevators to be more appealing.

Not sure if cars have the same technology as this elevator that prevents build-up pressure inside ears when traveling up/down, because I really need that as I drive up and down hills and mountain side every weekend. This ear popping feeling really kills my ears.

Not sure if cars have the same technology as this elevator that prevents build-up pressure inside ears when traveling up/down, because I really need that as I drive up and down hills and mountain side every weekend. This ear popping feeling really kills my ears.

It's worse skiing in a DH race at 80mph...

It would sure be nice to see some updated photographs.

Mitsubishi's bullet-like elevator uses a rope made of high-intensity steel strands wrapped in plastic for maximum speed and safety

Really?
It would surely be an intense ride... I'm sure the Chinese would charge well for it... maybe a cool 300 块 one way.... "You see big world from intense scenic Shanghai landscape spot"...

I would use magnetism and not ropes for the elevators. they're still using the same tech as the Egyptians uses too many years ago

I want the cladding start already :/

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Scientific American, october 1997, Sideways Elevators
Elevators on the Move; October 1997; by Lacob; 2 Page(s)
Elevator technology is taking off in new directions, including sideways
http://www.fastshipatlantic.com/articles/SAarticle.pdf
http://www.sciamdigital.com/index.cfm?fa=Products.ViewIssuePreview&ARTICLEID_CHAR=ABC77B65-84E9-4490-B9F7-36EE746651A
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About 15 years ago in Scientific American, there was an article about self-propelled elevators (being developed by Otis).
Those elevators would move themselves in the elevator shaft, with no need for cable.
So a cabin could climb up to the last floor, move sideway to reach another elevator shaft, then move down to the ground floor, then sideway again to start over.
The payoff was that many elevators can cycle on the same loop.
I thought it was a great concept, yet I never heard about it again.
What happened?

That sounds like the ones they have in the tower of terror. :lol:

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Scientific American, october 1997, Sideways Elevators
Elevators on the Move; October 1997; by Lacob; 2 Page(s)
Elevator technology is taking off in new directions, including sideways
http://www.fastshipatlantic.com/articles/SAarticle.pdf
http://www.sciamdigital.com/index.cfm?fa=Products.ViewIssuePreview&ARTICLEID_CHAR=ABC77B65-84E9-4490-B9F7-36EE746651A
---
About 15 years ago in Scientific American, there was an article about self-propelled elevators (being developed by Otis).
Those elevators would move themselves in the elevator shaft, with no need for cable.
So a cabin could climb up to the last floor, move sideway to reach another elevator shaft, then move down to the ground floor, then sideway again to start over.
The payoff was that many elevators can cycle on the same loop.
I thought it was a great concept, yet I never heard about it again.
What happened?

Not economically viable, that's what happened ... most probably

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/6856917665_495d8c7460_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leniners/6856917665/sizes/l/in/photostream/

looks like ST is getting its place in the skyline

^^In that photo it kinda looks like a fondue pot. :lol:

i like how they planned to build the big 3 close to each other to represent china's rebirth from the past (jin mao), present (SWFC), and future (Shanghai tower), but unfortunately when the render showed the big 3 with shanghai tower in the middle, SWFC isn't facing the front so we can't see the square hole thingy.
Since shanghai tower is being categorized in "megatall" (600m at least), how come it only have 129 floor? while its at least 140m higher than the 101 floor SWFC? it's even comparable to the HK's 118 floor international commerce centre.. 484m building with 118 floor, and 632m building only has more 14 floor? considering they both had a flat roof & didn't have a spire to be measured
is it because of the wind turbine? or they didn't count the truss belt?

i like how they planned to build the big 3 close to each other to represent china's rebirth from the past (jin mao), present (SWFC), and future (Shanghai tower), but unfortunately when the render showed the big 3 with shanghai tower in the middle, SWFC isn't facing the front so we can't see the square hole thingy.
Since shanghai tower is being categorized in "megatall" (600m at least), how come it only have 129 floor? while its at least 140m higher than the 101 floor SWFC? it's even comparable to the HK's 118 floor international commerce centre.. 484m building with 118 floor, and 632m building only has more 14 floor? considering they both had a flat roof & didn't have a spire to be measured
is it because of the wind turbine? or they didn't count the truss belt?

Larger floors, and a big crown on top.

I feel like this building has been stand still for the past month, and Chinese new year is well over, what gives? :nuts:

i like how they planned to build the big 3 close to each other to represent china's rebirth from the past (jin mao), present (SWFC), and future (Shanghai tower), but unfortunately when the render showed the big 3 with shanghai tower in the middle, SWFC isn't facing the front so we can't see the square hole thingy.
Since shanghai tower is being categorized in "megatall" (600m at least), how come it only have 129 floor? while its at least 140m higher than the 101 floor SWFC? it's even comparable to the HK's 118 floor international commerce centre.. 484m building with 118 floor, and 632m building only has more 14 floor? considering they both had a flat roof & didn't have a spire to be measured
is it because of the wind turbine? or they didn't count the truss belt?

Taller individual floors perhaps?

You can now see it in the skyline which is a great sign.
Cant wait to see it completed. It will look great.

it's been visible on the skyline for quite some time though. I was hoping it would be taller by now.

^^In that photo it kinda looks like a fondue pot. :lol:

Lol they should turn the rainwater collector into a chocolate fountain

it's been visible on the skyline for quite some time though. I was hoping it would be taller by now.

Yes but it is getting there. It will rise soon.
I cant wait until it overtakes SWFC.
That will be some sight to see.

Indeed, it's magnificent.

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/263194_223763707662779_210950588944091_616918_8151719_n.jpg
from: http://www.facebook.com/Martin.Stavars.Photography

Can't wait how it will look like with another beast among them!

i like how they planned to build the big 3 close to each other to represent china's rebirth from the past (jin mao), present (SWFC), and future (Shanghai tower), but unfortunately when the render showed the big 3 with shanghai tower in the middle, SWFC isn't facing the front so we can't see the square hole thingy.
Since shanghai tower is being categorized in "megatall" (600m at least), how come it only have 129 floor? while its at least 140m higher than the 101 floor SWFC? it's even comparable to the HK's 118 floor international commerce centre.. 484m building with 118 floor, and 632m building only has more 14 floor? considering they both had a flat roof & didn't have a spire to be measured
is it because of the wind turbine? or they didn't count the truss belt?
The 118 floors of ICC are virtual floors, only real in the evil brains of marketing guys. I don't know what the real number is, but I remember that the elevator display "jumps" about 10 floors for the last floor. I guess all the "unlucky" floors are missing too, so the real number should be bellow 100 floors.
It's sad that the skyscraper forums and wikipedia promote this false numbers because it shifts the competition from higher floor numbers to more impertinent lies. The other proeminent cheater I know is the 1WTC in NY currently U/C where the numbers promoted are all around 105 but the actual floor count is 85 + 9 mezzanine (afaik the floors hit by the plains are missing).

^^ I don't get it why the floor count is so important to some people. Take the roof height and ceiling height of a building, do the math, and you'll get your "real" floor number. There are 250m tall buildings with 75 floors and 350m tall ones with 45 floors out there. So what?

Its shape is difficult to build.

^^ I don't get it why the floor count is so important to some people. Take the roof height and ceiling height of a building, do the math, and you'll get your "real" floor number. There are 250m tall buildings with 75 floors and 350m tall ones with 45 floors out there. So what?

Offices with larger floors height are generally considered better. Usually a top grade office should have around 5m tall ceiling. A 250m building with 75 floors will be like residential building.

^^ I don't get it why the floor count is so important to some people. Take the roof height and ceiling height of a building, do the math, and you'll get your "real" floor number. There are 250m tall buildings with 75 floors and 350m tall ones with 45 floors out there. So what?

I don't think it matters much, maybe people want to press bigger numbers in the elevator.

^^ I don't get it why the floor count is so important to some people. Take the roof height and ceiling height of a building, do the math, and you'll get your "real" floor number. There are 250m tall buildings with 75 floors and 350m tall ones with 45 floors out there. So what?

Of course it's important. If you have 99 floors or 100 it makes a big difference in people's minds. So they quickly will add a floor, but if you look at for example WTC where they add more than 10 floors it's really big cheating.
Also most people (or companies) want to sit as high as possible. In New York, many think the higher the floor the more important the company or person occupying it is.
Now also with One57 they sell apartments at floor 90, which people are very impressed by, while actually it's only floor 72.
So I think floor count is very important my friend.

Hi all.

The 118 floors of ICC are virtual floors, only real in the evil brains of marketing guys. I don't know what the real number is, but I remember that the elevator display "jumps" about 10 floors for the last floor. I guess all the "unlucky" floors are missing too, so the real number should be bellow 100 floors.
It's sad that the skyscraper forums and wikipedia promote this false numbers because it shifts the competition from higher floor numbers to more impertinent lies. The other proeminent cheater I know is the 1WTC in NY currently U/C where the numbers promoted are all around 105 but the actual floor count is 85 + 9 mezzanine (afaik the floors hit by the plains are missing).

Hi Nr.

In regards to ICC, level 118 is actually the 107th level. I have a section drawing from a more than reliable source. The level count is one of the strangest of any tall building.

That said, there are very few tall buildings that number the levels the same as they actually acsend in the structure, for various reasons. Some end up with a higher number than actual and some end up lower (the BK, for example). The developer can lay out a level count as they see fit - it's their structure. Just like with spires/pinnacles, I don't think the count being higher than actual is "cheating" but each to their own.

I personally find the level counts of tall structures interesting, being a numbers guy.

:cheers:
Ray.

also i believe a "megatall" building would have a great deal at overcoming an earthquake. Would they set up a tuned mass damper like in taipei 101 or SWFC too?
i think it's spiral shape is strong enough to withstand tempest force, the wind turbine also helps in this circumstances, but without extra defense against earthquake, its still risky.
burj khalifa didn't even have any tuned mass damper, is it because they already located in a safe zone from the tectonic plate?

A pretty cool timeline by Mori from gaoloumi.com

http://iforce.co.nz/i/ftyfo4a2.n1s.jpeg (http://www.iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=ftyfo4a2.n1s.jpeg)


and this gives a perspective of how big those middle sections are..

http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/large/6759e51fjw1dq2r5rrnutj.jpg

That sounds like the ones they have in the tower of terror. :lol:
Yeah, but the tower of terror is the scariest thing in the world.

:banana: the facade treatment ! awesome..
one of world wonder ...

Hi all.



Hi Nr.

In regards to ICC, level 118 is actually the 107th level. I have a section drawing from a more than reliable source. The level count is one of the strangest of any tall building.

That said, there are very few tall buildings that number the levels the same as they actually acsend in the structure, for various reasons. Some end up with a higher number than actual and some end up lower (the BK, for example). The developer can lay out a level count as they see fit - it's their structure. Just like with spires/pinnacles, I don't think the count being higher than actual is "cheating" but each to their own.

I personally find the level counts of tall structures interesting, being a numbers guy.

:cheers:
Ray.

Exactly. :cheers2:


Of course it's important. If you have 99 floors or 100 it makes a big difference in people's minds. So they quickly will add a floor, but if you look at for example WTC where they add more than 10 floors it's really big cheating.
Also most people (or companies) want to sit as high as possible. In New York, many think the higher the floor the more important the company or person occupying it is.
Now also with One57 they sell apartments at floor 90, which people are very impressed by, while actually it's only floor 72.
So I think floor count is very important my friend.

You and your "cheating". Everyone "cheats"! It really doesn't matter. Would you rather have a 300m tall building with 100 floors or a 400m tall one with 80 floors? And in case of One57, the official number is 72, so I see no problem with that. If a future resident wants to inform himself how many real floors his building has, it's pretty easy to do so. Also, as kix111 said, bigger ceiling height means better living / working condition. In short: Height > floor number. Get over it.

WTC was 415m tall with 110 floors. And it was compared with low working condictions and darkness as you can see on pictures: http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/wtc_office.jpg
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/trusses-1.jpg

Exactly. :cheers2:




You and your "cheating". Everyone "cheats"! It really doesn't matter. Would you rather have a 300m tall building with 100 floors or a 400m tall one with 80 floors? And in case of One57, the official number is 72, so I see no problem with that. If a future resident wants to inform himself how many real floors his building has, it's pretty easy to do so. Also, as kix111 said, bigger ceiling height means better living / working condition. In short: Height > floor number. Get over it.
Not everyone cheats! Only in marketing everyone is cheating. But we're not marketing here, and the forum rule for the thread titles is to put the "floor count" into it. It is not to put the biggest number on a elevator button! Because this can be anything.
But reality is that most thread titles here show the wrong number if the building is promoted with a higher floor count, although the thread owners are aware of the correct number.
And as you see people get mis-informed here, and actually we're all here because we want to inform ourselves, not to get fooled with PR numbers!

And when do we stop promoting the marketing BS? When somebody builds a three story house and claims that it has 300?

^^In that photo it kinda looks like a fondue pot. :lol:

It is a fondue pot.:sad2:

WTC was 415m tall with 110 floors. And it was compared with low working condictions and darkness as you can see on pictures: http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/wtc_office.jpg
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/trusses-1.jpg

Thanks for those pics. I would feel very uncomfortable working in an office with such a low ceiling height, especially if one is used to 5m+ ceilings.

Not everyone cheats! Only in marketing everyone is cheating. But we're not marketing here, and the forum rule for the thread titles is to put the "floor count" into it. It is not to put the biggest number on a elevator button! Because this can be anything.
But reality is that most thread titles here show the wrong number if the building is promoted with a higher floor count, although the thread owners are aware of the correct number.
And as you see people get mis-informed here, and actually we're all here because we want to inform ourselves, not to get fooled with PR numbers!

And when do we stop promoting the marketing BS? When somebody builds a three story house and claims that it has 300?

I agree, the thread title should include the real floor number, not the promoted one. Also, that way we would prevent discussions like these in the first place. But this thread ain't about floor counts, so let's stay on topic before a moderator comes along...

WTC was 415m tall with 110 floors. And it was compared with low working condictions and darkness as you can see on pictures: http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/wtc_office.jpg
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/trusses-1.jpg

Cool pics! ;)

What's the actual floor-to-floor height on a typical floor in ST?

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pictures seem broken.

^^ for me pictures are OK. They dismantled one crane :O

^^ for me pictures are OK. They dismantled one crane :O

I still see four.

A wild truss belt appears! :cheers:

You can already get an idea of how considerable the "twist" will be, very nice.

Nice pictures. Does anyone know if there are plans for the plot inbetween the Jin Mao and IFC mall?

Sirs, How tall is it now?

Noo! What happened to the one crane?

From ShanghaiDaily, February 16, 2012

http://file.shanghaidaily.com/News/Image/2012/2012-02/2012-02-17/20120217_494545_01.jpg

A CRACK up to 10 meters long on a main road in Lujiazui sparked safety concerns in the skyscraper area yesterday after pictures were posted online. The crack was spotted at an exit of the Shanghai World Financial Center opposite the under-construction Shanghai Tower. "It has been here for a while," a member of staff at a hotel in the financial zone told Shanghai Daily. However, the company that is building the Shanghai Tower said the crack was normal subsidence during the construction of the tower's foundation ditch, which is "under control." So far the underground structure of the building has been finished and the element that caused the subsidence should be gone, the company said last night via the Shanghai government's official microblog account. Repairs should be started soon once the rainy weather improves, the company said. Construction of the Shanghai Tower, which will be the tallest building in China by 2014, has been strictly monitored since the beginning, and this would not end despite the completion of the foundation, the company added. The Lujiazui area, which is now experiencing massive construction both above and beneath the ground, has long been at the center of debate over whether construction work could lead to subsidence problems. Below ground, five underground passages and a transit hall are being built to connect the skyscrapers and Metro stations. Above ground, the Shanghai Tower has reached a height of more than 200 meters of its intended 632 meters. Experts said that the loose earth structure in Shanghai and improper construction methods were very likely to trigger subsidence, especially uneven subsidence, which is more dangerous. Xu Liping, general engineer of Shanghai Geotechnical Investigations & Design Institute, said: "The soil in Shanghai is soft and the construction around or under is likely to cause cracks in certain places." But Xu said that determining the cause of the current crack could be a complicated process that not only required the involvement of relevant parties around the crack but a calculation of the influence of the construction work as well. Shanghai is taking active steps to tackle its subsidence problem. One way that has proved effective is to pump back groundwater drained during construction. Cracks and cave-ins, caused by subsidence, have frequently made headlines in the city. In October last year, a large piece of the road surface at a busy intersection collapsed in downtown Zhabei District. Local urban maintenance department officials said loose sand and earth beneath was to blame. Vice Mayor Zhang Xuebing has told local lawmakers the city is controlling the number of projects, with no more than 10 percent of roads affected by construction at any one time.

They should learn from Japanese. This is really bad sign.

^^
This crack is not a result of earthquakes or tectonic movements. I don't see the correlation between this crack and the problems caused by earthquakes in Japan.