Gee I'm glad someone else spotted it. I thought I was the only one....and btw I spotted last week so that makes me the first.

why this topic moved here? it is not a "proposed" project right? What did i missed....

I don't know if you'll all agree with me but don't you think the amount of greenery is... optomistic?

Not, it is not.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2910010322_ec081b8e93_o.jpg
^^ By XiaoBai.

why this topic moved here? it is not a "proposed" project right? What did i missed....

We need some exceptions to make people visting the "Proposed Supertalls" forum :lol: jk

OMG how long were you looking at that pic skyline ffm?

I'd never have spotted that in an hour, but it is a good laugh though.

I noticed it quite early and this was not the only one!!! :lol: In front on the right-middle you can see several modernist inclining buildings,... ;)

Not, it is not.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2910010322_ec081b8e93_o.jpg
^^ By XiaoBai.

Yes it is true. In Shangahi you often have a lot of greenery around the buildings and many alleys. Imagine the air in Shanghai without!!!

Yes it is true. In Shangahi you often have a lot of greenery around the buildings and many alleys. Imagine the air in Shanghai without!!!

Hehe. Well, air conditions have nothing to do with greenery, that's a modern superstition created by green lobbies. You need something like 5000 trees to offset one single car. They add beauty to the cityscape though :)

Hehe. Well, air conditions have nothing to do with greenery, that's a modern superstition created by green lobbies. You need something like 5000 trees to offset one single car. They add beauty to the cityscape though :)

But they create cool shadows in summers,...

^^ not really, shanghai is hot in summber because of the humid weather, its kinda like steam, unlike many countries for exmaple australia and nz, the heat is from the radiation from the sun

so shades in shanghai doesnt really do much =/

here is a render from moyan88

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/pqch86jjcopy.jpg

^^ nice!! Good render

^^ not really, shanghai is hot in summber because of the humid weather, its kinda like steam, unlike many countries for exmaple australia and nz, the heat is from the radiation from the sun

so shades in shanghai doesnt really do much =/

But still better than walking in the open sun!

There's a lot of buildings in that render that haven't had updates in their own posts for a while but which have grown heaps. Can we persuade any shanghai residents to make a pudong trip with their cameras?
... and wot's the box going up opposite the superbrand mall?

wow that render look so surreal. But I think the top part of the tower may be a bit short in height.

here is a render from moyan88

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/pqch86jjcopy.jpg

I belive the tower is a bit more to the left... (edit by me with both IFC towers)

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/pqch86.jpg

P.S.
What is that construction in front of the Pearl Tower?

:cheers:

^^
China Safe Finance Building. Horrible project...

what is the construction behind the globe of shanghai exhibition center ? what is the height of it?

China Safe Finance Building. Horrible project...
This?

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/ugly2.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/dome2.jpg

Don't look that bad... :)

^^Don't you mean the building in front of the Oriental Tower.

http://i38.tinypic.com/2lwtyc4.jpg

It blocks the Pearl Tower.

^^
Um, that's like one of the oldest towers in Pudong.

I must say in most renders I've seen the IFC has looked kinda out of place, but in this one it actually looked quite good.

^^
Um, that's like one of the oldest towers in Pudong.
Is that with the "NEC" sign on it?

^^
Yeah, before the buildings in Lujiazui were cleaned up from those ads. :)

Old Lujiazui photo from 1996. You can see the tower to the far left (filled with ads of course);

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3231/2761893425_aa514b1f40_o.jpg
Lowcola at Flickr

Hehe. Well, air conditions have nothing to do with greenery, that's a modern superstition created by green lobbies. You need something like 5000 trees to offset one single car. They add beauty to the cityscape though :)

One acre of trees (50-150 trees, depending on the size) eliminates as much carbon dioxide from the air as is produced from driving a car 26,000 miles.

non scientific :D
Is easy to imagine: Tree is made out of wood, wood contain a lot of carbon. so a ~10,000 kg tree, absorbed more than 5,000 kg Carbon in it's life. so more than 5,000 kg of gasoline...

Molecular formula for gas: C8H18 + O2 => CO2 + H2O + energy

the trees make the reaction in reverse...

CO2 + H2O + energy (from the sun, photosynthesis) => wood(leaves, fruits) + O2

something like that anyway... :lol:

Man Shanghai exploded with buildings

Man Shanghai exploded with buildings
Pudong rising...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/rising.jpg

Many thanks to all the people that made Pudong what it is today... :master:

^^ should be wearing helmets guys...

^^ and security shoes

^^ Really nice design for a modern supertall....:)
_________________

^^ this thread should'nt be on the Proposed supertalls, because its already Under Construction..... :)
__________________

^^ i think we are waiting for the big hole dug to move the thread :)

btw, what's the rating on the header used for? Can I view the voting result?

I belive the tower is a bit more to the left... (edit by me with both IFC towers)

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/pqch86.jpg



:cheers:

Wow! That looks awesome. Finally a render with the comleted SWFC.
Can't wait to see this one rising. It makes the Jin Mao look small!

It makes the Jin Mao look small!
Nooooo :cry: (it does)

Shanghai is bound to have the most dynamic and modern skyline in the world with such developments! the IFC, Jin Mao, SWFC and the ST are a match made in heaven. I feel as if there is a ratio between the short and the next tallest when it comes to the difference in height.

OMG, this tower is sooooo beautiful! :drool:

Yeah that's a dang sharp tower for sure. I love the organic shape and the modern facade combination!

does these pics from jamyan define u/c ?

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/Shanghai%20Center/tmp2-6.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/Shanghai%20Center/tmp1-3.jpg

^^ If that walls are part of the tower i supose yes.

so..lets begin construction for shanghai tower...

the walls are not part of the tower ^^

What is the purposen of those red rigss?

renderings
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/3852/1095721227943101by8.jpg

http://bbs.classic023.com/attachments/month_0811/20081128_83b9994edcef92ca47deFsCD7oqLdrIr.jpg

http://www.jfdaily.com/jsbb/shanghai/200811/W020081127684988313896.jpg


http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/10780_3_Shanghai%20centre2big.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1882GroundbreakingBeginsOnWorlds2ndTallest_pic1.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1882GroundbreakingBeginsOnWorlds2ndTallest_pic3.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1882GroundbreakingBeginsOnWorlds2ndTallest_pic4.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3215/3062272202_e861b971fb_b.jpg

http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/144/150/5749927.jpg
http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/144/150/5749930.jpg

WOW! :eek2:

Wowowowowowowowowowow!!!! I am impressed! This is one of the best projects in the world! :applause: What a great tower this will be. And it will fit perfectly into Pudong!

WOW what a stunning tower ... congrats shanghai :)

i love the paper like outer shell which wrappes around the outside .

the walls are not part of the tower ^^

And how do you now that? That doesn't look like slurry wall, and will be directly under the tower so how you can say that this is not part of the tower? If you have any source proving that this is not part of the tower please share with us, becouse I'm not certain about my feellings too.

come on, activate your brain patrykus :). how can this be a wall a part of the tower when there's not even a hole or a pilling progress ;). you'll see the first wall maybe in 1-2 years ^^

Coolest tower in China. It makes the Jin Mao look 600ft in comparison. Cant wait to see this skyline in 2014

This is the best render... :uh:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1882GroundbreakingBeginsOnWorlds2ndTallest_pic1.jpg

:drool: :drool: :drool:

come on, activate your brain patrykus :). how can this be a wall a part of the tower when there's not even a hole or a pilling progress ;). you'll see the first wall maybe in 1-2 years ^^

Don't make me an idiot ;) My brain is working well, you can be sure about that. I'm not saying that this are walls literally, Im just wondering if this "something_looks_like_walls" is part of a towet, becouse some of you have obsesion of making some projects U/C status even one year after ground braking ceremony :ohno:

Just look at picture below. It is look like they preparing site to do something, or they do something?

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/Shanghai%20Center/tmp1-3.jpg

this "something_looks_like_walls" is part of a towet

Just look at picture below. It is look like they preparing site to do something, or they do something?

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/Shanghai%20Center/tmp1-3.jpg

It has nothing to do with the tower structure alone, it is for ground work preps. They will start digging a pretty big hole now, very similar to SWFC. Sometime late next year the construction site will look like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/cityx/Other/14January.jpg

I like China it is a land of the principle "move forward and make great things"!

It has nothing to do with the tower structure alone, it is for ground work preps. They will start digging a pretty big hole now, very similar to SWFC. Sometime late next year the construction site will look like this:


Thanks for constructive answer. So you are saying that that walls will be removed (digget up actually) in later time. So what is their present purpous? Actually this is first time i see something like this is being done before digging hole.

Looks to me like that structure might have been there before the tower's location was set. Could have been a plaza design of sorts...looks like a slab to me on the flat parts.

I doubt very seriously there is a concrete wall of any kind on the perimeter of the tower....looks like all glass and steel to me.

This tower has a very unique design...one of the better designs I have seen. It will be fun to watch the construction process!

^^ Really doubt that. Notice, that it stick out alot below the ground.

When you think about tower construction, when have you ever seen a concrete wall go up on the outside perimeter first? I never have and I've been watching tower construction since the 70's.

So knowing that it is not a part of the new tower, what do you think it was? There's not doorway cut into the walls or any visible component other than the concrete.

I'm not saying anywere that walls wille go up. I'm just saying that walls can be underground part of the tower. I have only 59 posts on account but i read a lot about construction procedures, I can tell you ;)

Yeah, but these walls are above ground and the cavity extends below street level. The tower's construction will be a central cement core with curtain walls on the outside. My guess is that the whole thing will disappear before too long.

I am fairly surprised it hasn't been demolished before now. Regardless of what it was before or why it's still there, it's not part of the new tower.

My god, these are the best renderings I have seen so far for this tower. Simply spectacular !!!

so, im still confused about the edge thats split and spirals up
will that be open? or will there some kind of slot like thingy inside that closes it in?

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1882GroundbreakingBeginsOnWorlds2ndTallest_pic3.jpg
where have the all Chineses gone?:lol:

^^ never notice that but LOOOOL

Maybe the tower is symbolising that center of the shanghai is all taken up by the foreigners after all.

^^
Pudong is not the center of Shanghai...

^^
Nor is it "taken up by foreigners".

^^ didn't literally mean either points, just kidding...

Hi all.

This is one of the best designs out there. Very cutting edge.

This one is going to be interesting to watch grow.

:cheers:

just showing shanghai will be an international city i guess...

those top 500 firms in the world are mostly european anyway..

The artists usually buy stock people (imagery), and they might not have had asian people. I don't think there's any deeper message to it.

where have the all Chineses gone?:lol:
They are inside the office, working. :shifty:

And the Oriental Pearl Tower seem too close to the tower

And the Oriental Pearl Tower seem too close to the tower

Yeah, and on the wrong sinde :lol:

You can see Shanghai Stock Exchange building on the same side :lol:

This picture reminds me of "Mission Impossible 3" when Tom jumped from the top of Bocom Financial Tower, and landed near "Tomorow Square" :nuts:

And the Oriental Pearl Tower seem too close to the tower

It is obvious that Pearl Tower was added on the original photo while rendering Shangahi Center.

It has been more than two weeks without any update pics.. I'm curious how it progresses, if they're still speeding like in the beginning things must have changed by now! This will be an interesting one to follow in 2009. :)

sorry i have just been lazy :>

http://i.namipan.com/files/d474c5f27ae5925ba9704c19b61782bd849e9e771c6e07000d40/0/4.jpg

http://i.namipan.com/files/545cad00c76f4440e7f053d5405b1be1e0b03ace390905007670/0/3.jpg

Oh my God. That speed is unbelievable. During christmas holidays. Thanks for the photos kix111. Happy new year to everyone here.

^^in china there is no holidays for christmas haha

What are they working on right now?

^^ Thanks for the update! Good to see they're still progressing well! Indeed I'm also curious what they're working on atm? Without any foundation under these walls it can't be something structural I guess...

So knowing that it is not a part of the new tower, what do you think it was? There's not doorway cut into the walls or any visible component other than the concrete.

So look closer at the recent photo. You still think that CANT be the structural part of the tower? Remember that that is a very unique project, and maybe it will be constructed in unique way...

http://i.namipan.com/files/545cad00c76f4440e7f053d5405b1be1e0b03ace390905007670/0/3.jpg

So look closer at the recent photo. You still think that CANT be the structural part of the tower? Remember that that is a very unique project, and maybe it will be constructed in unique way...


I haven't seen any Shanghai Tower yet, so it's unique indeed! Every building is unique and constructed in a unique way. But without any foundation this tower (and any tower or even a small house!!) will sink and fall down. I hope you understand that....

The picture is a bit unsharp, but the constructed walls look like about 1,5 meters high and when you look closely the equipment behind them might be using them as a kind of pooles, looking at the piping etcetera. I'm not sure but they might be used for the piling process or something? I'm just guessing.

^^ And please now show me where i wrote it not going to have fundations?

Yep, im guessing too, but I believe you do understand what I mean saying unique (you really dont have to tell me that every buliding must have fundations :lol:)

So look closer at the recent photo. You still think that CANT be the structural part of the tower? Remember that that is a very unique project, and maybe it will be constructed in unique way...

shanghai pudong is pretty muddy undergound
so that is a underground wall used to prevent undergroundwater pouring in:cheers:
search for"shanghai make over" in youtube there is a viedo about jimao you will know why!

I thought Shanghai was going to limit skyscrapers because Pudong is sinking due to the weight of all the skycrapers being built?

So look closer at the recent photo. You still think that CANT be the structural part of the tower? Remember that that is a very unique project, and maybe it will be constructed in unique way...


I saw a photo of this BEFORE anything else was on site and no I do not think this is ANY structural part of the new tower. I would try and explain further than I already have, but at this point I think it would be pointless for me to do so.

^^ Oh we will see. I'm just speculating. But I really doubt it was there before. Just notice that it is circular in exacly the same way like the foot of new tower is, coincidence? But if you have some photos please post it. Maybe it really is coincidence, who knows :|

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1056/tmp7kc9.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9816/tmp1pb1.jpg

by Jamyan, skyscrapers.cn

^^ I think they are building the worker's dorm now.

found it at flickr

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8720/3111320071a284fbe2b8opr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3111320071a284fbe2b8opr8.jpg/1/w899.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img265/3111320071a284fbe2b8opr8.jpg/1/)

They should close the roads between the 3 x 400m+ towers.

wow really massive!

^^ I think they are building the worker's dorm now.

I think it is allready there:

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/Jerryang05/PB294235.jpg

i wonder what it is then ?

I think it is allready there:

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/Jerryang05/PB294235.jpg

Seems that the foundation is done.

But it is impossible that no one ever notice when they built the foundation.

^^ :lol: :lol: :lol:

chinese way of doing it I guess...

Seems that the foundation is done.

But it is impossible that no one ever notice when they built the foundation.Now I'm not supposed to reveal this, but I'm tired to keep the secret... not only the foundation is already done, but the whole skyscraper is fully complete, it's buried just below the concrete in the pic, and ready to be pushed up by a hydraulic system. The surprise inauguration will be on january 25.

Never been done before!!!

:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

(:lol:)

anyways http://quicktour.sitesell.com/img/back.gif to the topic.

The foundation is NOT done ..it will be done in 1 year time at a minimum :)

^^ are you not noticing the SARCASM from everyone???

this tower is actually a hidden huge huge huge nuke missile that can reach anywhere on earth...

The surprise inauguration will be on january 25.
What year? :lol:

^^
2006.

This building had a ground breaking ceremony and visible progress on site, the Nakheel Tower has not even started foundation work. So why is this building in the Proposed Page but the Nakheel Tower in the Under Construction Page ??

Please move this thread to Under construction.

^^ - Nakheel Tower foundation work started a year ago.

I think when piling starts it will move to U/C.

:cheers:

I don't think so. I mean there is already a foundation so it should be U/C. It's not anymore a proposal. Its already approved and preparation is being taken. I am not sure why it is still in Proposal. Either way, I am happy that it is for real.

its not in pro, its in prep so gah..=\

I don't think so. I mean there is already a foundation so it should be U/C. It's not anymore a proposal. Its already approved and preparation is being taken. I am not sure why it is still in Proposal. Either way, I am happy that it is for real.

There isn't a foundation, there isn't even a hole..... Come back here in one year and you'll see ;)

:ohno:piling is really a time-taking work and I dont like it

hope it will grow up ASAP

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1056/tmp7kc9.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9816/tmp1pb1.jpg

by Jamyan, skyscrapers.cn

Work is good underway they pooring concrete already! ( at some places) :)

^^ And please now show me where i wrote it not going to have fundations?

Yep, im guessing too, but I believe you do understand what I mean saying unique (you really dont have to tell me that every buliding must have fundations :lol:)

Didja ever see post number one in this thread? Take your time and read it very carefully. The post was made on September 6, 2006. Underneath all the proposal renders you'll see this...

Shanghai Tower to pierce clouds at 632m

CONSTRUCTION will start on the would-be tallest building on the Chinese mainland in Shanghai on Saturday. [rest clipped]

Then look at the photo just below this paragraph....I rest my case.

^^ Take your time and look very carefully at the end of the first post, and you will see... "Last edited by z0rg; November 27th, 2008 at 05:48 PM"

But thanks for advice ;)

Did you ask Zorg if he added that pic that day or if he just added what was at the bottom?

Can you prove that all that cement was poured and those raised portions built in a 5 week period as a foundation for the new tower? Doubt it.

Ok thats specially for you. Thats the adress and name of pic you are reffering to: http://i0.sinaimg.cn/dy/c/2008-11-27/U2107P1T1D16738669F21DT20081127195510.jpg. There is date 2008-11-27 thats enaugh for you?

And the "walls thing" just cant be there before becouse it stick out below the ground level and therefore it should be visible on ground breaking ceremony, or earler when there was grass on site.

PS. And one more thing: I have never said it is part of fundation, i just said it MAY be structural part of tower. Thats all.

indeed, isn't the slurry wall is a actually part of the structure? or do we waiting for first parts of supporting structure?

^^ This is like that. In some cases slurry wall isnt directly conected to the tower and then i think it shouldnt be consider as a part of the tower. And in this particular case that walls (nevermind if this is slurry wall or something else) supose to be directly under the tower, and now IF they not gonna to remove it, it WILL be conected to the tower (becouse it is directly under it), so then it should be considere as a part of the tower. I hope you all get my point.

^^ This is like that. In some cases slurry wall isnt directly conected to the tower and then i think it shouldnt be consider as a part of the tower. And in this particular case that walls (nevermind if this is slurry wall or something else) supose to be directly under the tower, and now IF they not gonna to remove it, it WILL be conected to the tower (becouse it is directly under it), so then it should be considere as a part of the tower. I hope you all get my point.So planet Earth should also be considered part of the tower? :)

^^ This is like that. In some cases slurry wall isnt directly conected to the tower and then i think it shouldnt be consider as a part of the tower. And in this particular case that walls (nevermind if this is slurry wall or something else) supose to be directly under the tower, and now IF they not gonna to remove it, it WILL be conected to the tower (becouse it is directly under it), so then it should be considere as a part of the tower. I hope you all get my point.

slurry walls are not directly under the tower ^^. they're only for the hole...to hold back the soil. and when the plot is big enough you even don't need them. i believe there was no slurry-wall for the Burj Dubai for example

^^ But in this case that walls are directly under the tower. And im not even quite sure if they are slurry walls. Just notise that transvers walls. Have you ever seen slurry walls done like that?

The concretepooring in the last picture definitely isn't for slurrywalls. Slurrywalls are way more slim than this is. Looks like some small foundation for something temporary.

^^ I wasnt refering to the last picture, i was refering to the slim sticking out walls on the circle

^^ But in this case that walls are directly under the tower. And im not even quite sure if they are slurry walls. Just notise that transvers walls. Have you ever seen slurry walls done like that?

slurry walls are never directly under the tower! under the tower is the raft foundation and under the raft foundation are the piles..nothing more

Ok, but we are talking about particular case! Look at this:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5107/cosiektn7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/cosiektn7.jpg/1/w673.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img292/cosiektn7.jpg/1/)

If red circle represents towers wide, then walls i'm talking about (green) are under the tower. Sure they are not at the bottom (like piles) but they are under the tower, and if stay will be strongly conected to the structure.

the red circle is NOT the towers wide. the inner green is it ^^

then between the green and the red is that wall right? to keep the water out.

i would say the green part is the wall/will be the wall. that's where they're working at the moment.

we need new pics :)!

i would say the green part is the wall/will be the wall. that's where they're working at the moment.


double slurry wall, isnt it strange?


we need new pics :)!

definitively :)

^^hehe ok im gonna save you guys!

from jamyan

http://i.namipan.com/files/c04eaee24b49a4421b55976c687d8245b6bd1d90b5520700449b/0/tmp1.jpg

http://i.namipan.com/files/0a63d887ddd908b879a8552797ba70d1c3e3f21d1cb10800682c/0/tmp7.jpg

other render:

http://archpaper.com/uploads/image/LIPSH_ShanghaiTower08_081124.jpg

^^ This is like that. In some cases slurry wall isnt directly conected to the tower and then i think it shouldnt be consider as a part of the tower. And in this particular case that walls (nevermind if this is slurry wall or something else) supose to be directly under the tower, and now IF they not gonna to remove it, it WILL be conected to the tower (becouse it is directly under it), so then it should be considere as a part of the tower. I hope you all get my point.

I officially give up trying to convince you that this is not part of the foundation structure. If they build the tower on top of this 'slab' and around those concrete boxes then you will have been correct and I will stand corrected. If not I guess you will have to concede that neither were part of the foundation or structure.

I will be extremely surprised if this is the case as I have NEVER seen any tower built this way before....ANYWHERE. But hey, I certainly do not know it all and stranger things have happened.

Since that pic was taken less than two months after ground breaking...maybe you can find the pics of the start of construction where there was nothing on the site, huh?

Not on the top to say. But what if underground ceilings will be connected to the wall?

@SilentStrike
It's not only because of water. In this case the slurry wall (diaphragm wall or the wall in the ground) also will help to build underground floors without digging outside of the plot.

Not on the top to say. But what if underground ceilings will be connected to the wall?


^^ And that what i was talking about. In that case it IS part of the structure.

And TXSkyWatcher. Here you go, just before ground braking ceremony:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1621/tmp2nk4.jpg

why is this thread still here...

^^ Why shouldn't?

other render:

http://archpaper.com/uploads/image/LIPSH_ShanghaiTower08_081124.jpg

I see the way the renders make nearby buildings look less and exaggerate the main thing. No complaint, smart...

^^obviously..or how does someone who hasnt seen the tower know which one it is in the render?

from jamyan

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/Shanghai%20Center/tmp7.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/Shanghai%20Center/tmp8.jpg

^^I think there is no doubt! The first photo explains everything.

^^ Explains what?

And I have very important question for people better informed than i am: What is going to be exact wide of the towers cicrcle at the bottom? Please can anybody tell me?

None of us know completely sure yet, so i can be wrong, but im pretty sure it's the Green bit from post 2125

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3520/3203113506_7ed6f9a0ec_o.jpg
:banana:

they're probably for the wall.....too small to be for the foundation IMO

it's a wall that will help them dig a bigger foundation

they're probably for the wall.....too small to be for the foundation IMO


But, too big to be for the wall...and.... tubular?

don't know for sure if they're for the wall. i only think they're too small to be for the foundation of a 632m tall tower

i have heard somewhere saying the foundation is at least 1/7 height of the tower? so must be at least 90m

But, too big to be for the wall...and.... tubular?

all walls in China are tubular ..check all the sites...and tell me it's not true

i have heard somewhere saying the foundation is at least 1/7 height of the tower? so must be at least 90m

wow, that's so dramatic deep.
i doubt that.

all walls in China are tubular ..check all the sites...and tell me it's not true

Ok
They are going to build The New Great Wall.

oops 128 floors not
i conut 137floos

Looks like something is definately happening. Why is this in proposed, but the Nakheel Tower is in U/C?
They should be the other way around, because more is happening here than at the NHT, and NHT has been postponed.

Can you guys stop trolling? It is Prep, not Pro. We have been talking about that shit for one month already. I don't think it is so difficult to understand that digging a hole doesn't mean "construction" properly. We will change it to U/C once they start setting the first foundation stuff of the building. All supertall threads follow the same process. They sometimes stop working for months once the hole is dug, btw. You can check other threads with Prep status if you want and compare.

I agree with z0rg

i have heard somewhere saying the foundation is at least 1/7 height of the tower? so must be at least 90m

That is absolutely not true. It depends completely on buildup of the soillayers. If there is a hard enough layer on let's say 15m down, than they can make piles with a lenght of 15 meter. But in most cases with supertalls the pileloads are very high. In order to hold the tower up the loadcapacity of a soillayer needs to be very high. Most of the time this layers are quite deep.

But it depends on the geological area.

Hope this clears a lot

That's probably the depth of the piles not the foundation.

Looks like something is definately happening. Why is this in proposed, but the Nakheel Tower is in U/C?
They should be the other way around, because more is happening here than at the NHT, and NHT has been postponed.

The Nakheel Tower is not on hold.

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/Shanghai%20Center/tmp7-1.jpg

shouldnt they dig out a hole before they start drilling? or wont there be any underground floors? im confused

they didn't start with pilling yet ^^

shouldnt they dig out a hole before they start drilling? or wont there be any underground floors? im confused

The hole digging will start in 2-3 months

Happy 牛 Year!! ★_★☆_☆ (●￣ε￣●) (｡◕‿◕｡) `★`⌒`★ o(∩_∩)o..✿.~~新年快乐~~^^ to you all...!!

So planet Earth should also be considered part of the tower? :)

:lol::lol::lol: no amount of this will get the point across...:bash:

Can you guys stop trolling? It is Prep, not Pro. We have been talking about that shit for one month already. I don't think it is so difficult to understand that digging a hole doesn't mean "construction" properly. We will change it to U/C once they start setting the first foundation stuff of the building. All supertall threads follow the same process. They sometimes stop working for months once the hole is dug, btw. You can check other threads with Prep status if you want and compare.

Sorry. I overreacted a little.
In the NHT thread there had been a lot of talk about it being postponed for a year, but that was before Imre posted some photos. And Culwallas digram has Shanghai tower and not NHT, but there is definately lots happening at both sites.
Also, if "digging a hole doesn't mean "construction" properly", then isn' t that all that is happening at the NHT site?

On the other hand, this would have to be my favourite supertall project,
but second after One Dubai if that does go ahead.

After I have finished my LEGO Burj Dubai, I will attempt to build the Shanghai Center, which will be quite difficult because there isn't any decent diagrams like the BD has.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6513/bd001cropvm0.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bd001cropvm0.jpg)
More Photos are Here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=27551268#post27551268)

Cool lego model!

I know this might be OT but why does imageshack always try to open a popup window to show you the same pic you can already see without one? Drives me nuts!!

This is my favourite huge proposal right now (over 500m), I hope it will get built as planned.

it's not a proposal :weird:

I'm not sure of this at all, but could this potentially be a form of "top-down" foundation construction?

This is my favourite huge proposal right now (over 500m), I hope it will get built as planned.

is it ur favourite huge preparing one too? so everything should get built as planned :)

I'm not sure of this at all, but could this potentially be a form of "top-down" foundation construction?

no.

Its propably not a top-down method here, but what is actually purpuose of that strange red machines? I thing nobody have ever said anything about that. Reminds me some kind of drillings machines a bit..

oh i saw that on the chinese news..those are a new type of drilling machine that makes little noises in comparison to the older models =/

I don't think this tower fits in perfectly with the surrounding area, cos it looks too funky and a bit oblique.

oh i saw that on the chinese news..those are a new type of drilling machine that makes little noises in comparison to the older models =/

If those really are drilling machines, why they are drilling there, when they should rather dig hole with diggers?

Amzing tower...

I agree.

In fifty years, Shanghai might validly be the greatest city in the world.

If those really are drilling machines, why they are drilling there, when they should rather dig hole with diggers?

To spend more money?
:rofl:

^^ If you don't know why you're writing anyway?

I agree.

In fifty years, Shanghai might validly be the greatest city in the world.More like five.

^^ If you don't know why you're writing anyway?

Because nobody here knows.

Nobody had access to the project, nobody came here explain.

^^ No no, you don't know, and you can't be so sure that nobody knows, so if you don't know the answer, as i said, better don't write ;) And btw no offence at all ;)

Nobody in this forum knows certainly, otherwise, already would have answered. Better to relax and to wait, unless it wants to close this thread.

There can't be an answer without question :okay:

Any new pictures on this one since January 23? I'm curious to see what is happening there (in close up!)...

By kidoublier
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/20090209004.jpg

^There is a construction site across the street, what is that building? :)

good to see another angle. :D btw what are they doing again? foundations?

^^ Yea, very early stages of foundation. They have to start digging, and that alone may take about 1 or 1.5 years.

where is our shanghainese? need some detail pics of the fundation.

I havent seen staff or kix for a really long time.. :/

where is our shanghainese? need some detail pics of the fundation.

ill fly to shanghai and get it myself....

If those really are drilling machines, why they are drilling there, when they should rather dig hole with diggers?

It doesn't work like that. ;)

Is cheaper to drill first (and deeper) and dug later, then dug first and have to lift all those heavy drilling/piling equipments from the deep hole once the work is completed. Often drilling/piling and excavation work goes hand in hand.

sorry about that here you go~ from jam yan

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/1-6.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/2.jpg

thnx kix.

It looks so small at first sight, but compare the things with the sizes of the trucks and the people. Its huge.

It doesn't work like that. ;)

Is cheaper to drill first (and deeper) and dug later, then dug first and have to lift all those heavy drilling/piling equipments from the deep hole once the work is completed. Often drilling/piling and excavation work goes hand in hand.

It seems they really are working on piles allready. So it really is topdown (or at least around it). Look at this:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8468/capturegk5.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/capturegk5.png/1/w747.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img88/capturegk5.png/1/)

Its goiing forward its great i tought they gonna set it on hold because of the crisis. But China suffer not extremely, they just keep on building!!! :cheers:

By kidoublier
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/20090209004.jpg

^There is a construction site across the street, what is that building?


Yeah... hase anybody a link?

interesting pics, sorry to be nyeve but can someone actually tell me what the large red frames are doing please?

pumping out groundwater I think, pumping in cement? Pudong and much of Shanghai was near marshland.

thanx spliff.

^There is a construction site across the street, what is that building?
I belive that will be Global Financial Building Shanghai. (198m) :dunno:

http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/2551/globalfinancialbldrw8.jpg

:)

Can't believe, just can't believe they are actually building that. My new favorite skyscraper, it seems.

I belive that will be Global Financial Building Shanghai. (198m) :dunno:

http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/2551/globalfinancialbldrw8.jpg

:)

this building is already completed :)

this building is already completed :)
Is the dark one in the picture?

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/20090209004.jpg

^^
Yes.

^^ so what will be constructed on the 2 plots?

I hope it will be a green park :D

^^ on one of the 2 plots is already a construction going up...

the details have been launched!

http://www.gensler.com/#home/0

please select page 7for the video!

Sited in the Lujiazui Finance and Trade Zone of Pudong, Shanghai Tower completes a trio of buildings that form China’s first super-tall district. While the adjacent Jin Mao Tower pays homage to China’s past, and the Shanghai World Financial Center signifies China’s recent economic success, Shanghai Tower represents the boundless possibilities of China’s future, the building’s shape a metaphor for the country’s connection with the world, space and time.

“This tower is symbolic of a nation whose future is filled with limitless opportunities,” said Qingwei Kong, president of the Shanghai Tower Construction & Development Co., Ltd.

Love the double skin courtain, It will save a lot of air conditioning energy. :cheers:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/untitled2-1.jpg

The building will also have a 54 wind turbines, and a rainwater colector roof...

Video from Gensler!

G9S7lx_0bBg

^^ great job staff... :cheers:

yes it was .

i love this building more and more everytime i see it.

Marvelous tower this one will be. I admire the construction planning that this part of Shanghai has. So much space, nowhere can you see cramped buildings. Really intelligent planning.

Thanks staff, Good Job!! :)

Can't believe, just can't believe they are actually building that. My new favorite skyscraper, it seems.

My favorite as well.
Tobe honest, in my view, it is more beautiful than BJ.


Cheers!

That video was very nicely done.

Tobe honest, in my view, it is more beautiful than BJ.
Future Gigants...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/giga.jpg

P.S.
Pingan Center might end-up under 600m.

I've been saying for years how futuristic this area of Shanghai looks and after watching and listening to the video that Staff posted I just have to say again that I kept expecting to see Starfleet HQ or the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise to be somewhere in a shot.....not to mention the musical score. Any idea who composed it?

I've been saying for years how futuristic this area of Shanghai looks and after watching and listening to the video that Staff posted I just have to say again that I kept expecting to see Starfleet HQ or the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise to be somewhere in a shot.....not to mention the musical score. Any idea who composed it?

No, they are still sticking with San Francisco. But I won't be surprised if the Chinese are the first to develop warp drive :lol: :lol:

@ luci203

You forgot CHINA 117 TOWER, in Tianjin. It will be 600 meters tall.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/tj-01G.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/tj-01G.jpg

Well, this is now my favorite skyscraper :)

Hong Kong ICC is now my 2nd favorite skyscraper.

And that video was amazing. By the way, the music is from the movie soundtrack "Band of Brothers", released by Sony Music Entertainment, performed by London Metropolitan Orchestra.

masterpiece.

has this one started yet ?

has this one started yet ?
^^, Yes.

@ luci203

You forgot CHINA 117 TOWER, in Tianjin. It will be 600 meters tall.
I left out that and Pingan Center Shenzhen, because both design and height are not final yet. Rest of them are final (except maybe they will extend even more Pentominium's Spire to surpass Shanghai Center :lol:)

the details have been launched!

http://www.gensler.com/#home/0

please select page 7for the video!

Sited in the Lujiazui Finance and Trade Zone of Pudong, Shanghai Tower completes a trio of buildings that form China’s first super-tall district. While the adjacent Jin Mao Tower pays homage to China’s past, and the Shanghai World Financial Center signifies China’s recent economic success, Shanghai Tower represents the boundless possibilities of China’s future, the building’s shape a metaphor for the country’s connection with the world, space and time.

“This tower is symbolic of a nation whose future is filled with limitless opportunities,” said Qingwei Kong, president of the Shanghai Tower Construction & Development Co., Ltd.


^^^^

That video is extremely STUNNING!!!!

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:



What a design!

:banana:

we definitely need a 4th tower in that cluster :D.

I prefered the diamond on top of that tower more.

long time no update...
from jamyan

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/Shanghai%20Center/tmp1-4.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/gsgcharles/Shanghai%20Center/tmp2-7.jpg

So officially U/C now?
:cheers:

Yup. Foundation stuff there :D

congratulations!

Video from Gensler!

G9S7lx_0bBg

Excellent video. The best looking supertall I've ever seen yet.

we definitely need a 4th tower in that cluster :D.

Would be splendid! I think the next tower if it will come... 750m? :)

But feets back on the ground now. Its to early for that... maybe in the future if China picks up.

Would be splendid! I think the next tower if it will come... 750m? :)

But feets back on the ground now. Its to early for that... maybe in the future if China picks up.

Well, it will be nice if they had a fourth tower, but i don't think 4 is a nice number in the Chinese language though.:bash:

then they should have 9 towers, I think 9 is the best number in China because 9 is the fullest one digit number, meaning prosperity or something...

8 is also a good number in China (and chinese). It sounds like "Rich" when pronounced. Hence, Taipei 101 has used this number in its design.

^^ and jin mao I think.

rainwater colector? :? :? for what?

that video is fantastic！！

then they should have 9 towers, I think 9 is the best number in China because 9 is the fullest one digit number, meaning prosperity or something...

yes thats right, 9 represents everlasting and 'foreverness' which i personally feel is more important than 8 which represents prosperity:lol:

Well regardless of which 8 or 9 is better in chinese culture, any skyscraper fanatic would prefer 9 supertalls compared to 8 :lol:

u/c SWEET

nice to see we're finally U/C :cheers:

rainwater colector? :? :? for what?

they will use the water inside the building, most probably...

rainwater collectors tend to be used to cool the buildings, also used in 'waste' water such as plant feeding, toilet flushes etc.

And I was saying all the time it will fast going to be uc, at least, before digging the hole :P

Btw its really nice they not going to slow down with this one. Malec: 40% chance to be canceled for this one? I don't think so ;)

I don't get the three supertall "Of the Past", "Of the Present", and "Of the Future" mantras. The Jin Mao and the SWFC are both 1990s buildings, and this is a 2010 era building. The comparison seems pointless to me.