^^
i thought they are transferring the fountain.. they've just converted it to a parking lot.. so no more feng shui..

^^
i thought they are transferring the fountain.. they've just converted it to a parking lot.. so no more feng shui..

^^

The house is very intact and well=preserved thanks perhaps to the very high walls that have been constructed around it when it was converted to a warehouse (the entire compound).

Here's my article about it with some photos..

http://cebuheritage.wordpress.com/heritage-of-cebu/old-houses/jesuit-house-of-1730-in-pari-an/



Photo below by Estan Cabigas, http://simbahan.net

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Houses/jesuit_house/medallion02.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse1.jpg

Copy of a sketch of the Jesuit House in Cebu, from a book in the Ateneo Library (photos courtesy of Cebuano Studies Center).


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse2.jpg

The Jesuit House minus the tower (which toppled over or was removed?)...


Now, which part of this structure is still extant today ?

^^

The house is very intact and well=preserved thanks perhaps to the very high walls that have been constructed around it when it was converted to a warehouse (the entire compound).

Here's my article about it with some photos..

http://cebuheritage.wordpress.com/heritage-of-cebu/old-houses/jesuit-house-of-1730-in-pari-an/



Photo below by Estan Cabigas, http://simbahan.net

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Houses/jesuit_house/medallion02.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse1.jpg

Copy of a sketch of the Jesuit House in Cebu, from a book in the Ateneo Library (photos courtesy of Cebuano Studies Center).


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse2.jpg

The Jesuit House minus the tower (which toppled over or was removed?)...


Now, which part of this structure is still extant today ?

^^

Thanks for the info pinoy_ako.. This is becoming more interesting because I'm really interested about tombs..





@archaologue
@ang_bantayanon

What's your comment about those photos that I got from the SAP in Cansojong?

I found out yesterday that my friend is the secretary for liturgical affairs diay of Cardinal Vidal so perhaps he wasn't fooling around..

Although I'm pretty sure that those altars and tabernacle are not antique but if indeed they were the pre-renovation altar and tabernacle then it would be nice if it can be installed back... For sure San Vitales and Inmaculada Concepcion would look lovely in those altars unlike now where they are standing in a tiled pedestal which, according to another friend, looks like those in a CR or swimming pool.

Or perhaps the Cathedral Museum can ask for the tabernacle.. It's just being displayed in the area where there's a belen display though I understand that they're using the tabernacle on special events (according to my friend nga pari-onon)..



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Of course it's good to have them back but it's impossible to put them back while the good cardinal still lords over the cathedral because he doesn't seem to want old things in his churches. IMO, it need not be placed back but I just hope they'll get rid of those steel arches near the images of San vidal and the Virgin because it's done with so poor taste. Bati kaayo. Kulang na lang ato mga taw nga mobitbit kay Santacruzan na dayon.

^^

Thanks for the info pinoy_ako.. This is becoming more interesting because I'm really interested about tombs..





@archaologue
@ang_bantayanon

What's your comment about those photos that I got from the SAP in Cansojong?

I found out yesterday that my friend is the secretary for liturgical affairs diay of Cardinal Vidal so perhaps he wasn't fooling around..

Although I'm pretty sure that those altars and tabernacle are not antique but if indeed they were the pre-renovation altar and tabernacle then it would be nice if it can be installed back... For sure San Vitales and Inmaculada Concepcion would look lovely in those altars unlike now where they are standing in a tiled pedestal which, according to another friend, looks like those in a CR or swimming pool.

Or perhaps the Cathedral Museum can ask for the tabernacle.. It's just being displayed in the area where there's a belen display though I understand that they're using the tabernacle on special events (according to my friend nga pari-onon)..



..


Of course it's good to have them back but it's impossible to put them back while the good cardinal still lords over the cathedral because he doesn't seem to want old things in his churches. IMO, it need not be placed back but I just hope they'll get rid of those steel arches near the images of San vidal and the Virgin because it's done with so poor taste. Bati kaayo. Kulang na lang ato mga taw nga mobitbit kay Santacruzan na dayon.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse1.jpg

Copy of a sketch of the Jesuit House in Cebu, from a book in the Ateneo Library (photos courtesy of Cebuano Studies Center).


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse2.jpg

The Jesuit House minus the tower (which toppled over or was removed?)...


Now, which part of this structure is still extent today ?

I wonder if this indeed is the house because the roof of the pic posted by my prof archaeologue doesnt look like it's teja/tisa.. basin sa old San Carlos ni nga building.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse1.jpg

Copy of a sketch of the Jesuit House in Cebu, from a book in the Ateneo Library (photos courtesy of Cebuano Studies Center).


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse2.jpg

The Jesuit House minus the tower (which toppled over or was removed?)...


Now, which part of this structure is still extent today ?

I wonder if this indeed is the house because the roof of the pic posted by my prof archaeologue doesnt look like it's teja/tisa.. basin sa old San Carlos ni nga building.

^^

Regarding the cathedral retablo:

Indeed Dale.. My friend told me that it seems that San Vitales and Inmaculada Concepcion are in a diving board of a swimming pool and ready to jump..



Regarding the photo posted by @archaeologue:

That's the Jesuit House ang_bantayanon.. The house shown in @archaeologue's photo is the smaller house, known as "House A" in Fr. Javellana's article, which is then connected to the main house with a bridge.. This smaller house is the one facing the main entrance of HoTong Hardware

The roof is no longer teja but G.I. Sheet.. The bigger house (main house) though still has teja..

There are no partitions in this smaller house.. Just a little space.. And quoting from Fr. Rene Javellana, this smaller house indeed looks like just a roofed azotea..

The tower is no longer there except for the base..

Let's go there Dale, hehe.. I really want to take new photos again...


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/CebuHeritageWalk/JesuitHouseof1730/jesuithouse07-1.jpg



Photo below by Estan (http://simbahan.net):

(Note: this house with a teja roof is located at the back of the house in the photo posted by @archaeologue.. Also, notice the old photo upper right, you can see the spike of the roof of the main house like the one below..)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/CebuHeritageWalk/JesuitHouseof1730/jesuithouse06copy.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/CebuHeritageWalk/JesuitHouseof1730/jesuithouse06.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/CebuHeritageWalk/JesuitHouseof1730/jesuit_house_02.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/CebuHeritageWalk/JesuitHouseof1730/jesuit_house_03.jpg




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse2.jpg


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse1.jpg




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^^

Regarding the cathedral retablo:

Indeed Dale.. My friend told me that it seems that San Vitales and Inmaculada Concepcion are in a diving board of a swimming pool and ready to jump..



Regarding the photo posted by @archaeologue:

That's the Jesuit House ang_bantayanon.. The house shown in @archaeologue's photo is the smaller house, known as "House A" in Fr. Javellana's article, which is then connected to the main house with a bridge.. This smaller house is the one facing the main entrance of HoTong Hardware

The roof is no longer teja but G.I. Sheet.. The bigger house (main house) though still has teja..

There are no partitions in this smaller house.. Just a little space.. And quoting from Fr. Rene Javellana, this smaller house indeed looks like just a roofed azotea..

The tower is no longer there except for the base..

Let's go there Dale, hehe.. I really want to take new photos again...


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/CebuHeritageWalk/JesuitHouseof1730/jesuithouse07-1.jpg



Photo below by Estan (http://simbahan.net):

(Note: this house with a teja roof is located at the back of the house in the photo posted by @archaeologue.. Also, notice the old photo upper right, you can see the spike of the roof of the main house like the one below..)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/CebuHeritageWalk/JesuitHouseof1730/jesuithouse06copy.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/CebuHeritageWalk/JesuitHouseof1730/jesuithouse06.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/CebuHeritageWalk/JesuitHouseof1730/jesuit_house_02.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/CebuHeritageWalk/JesuitHouseof1730/jesuit_house_03.jpg




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse2.jpg


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/jesuithouse1.jpg




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^^
i thought they are transferring the fountain.. they've just converted it to a parking lot.. so no more feng shui..

they're afraid na makiha. i don't know when nila i-restore.

welcome glenn for registering finally. welcome to SSC.

gibb

^^
i thought they are transferring the fountain.. they've just converted it to a parking lot.. so no more feng shui..

they're afraid na makiha. i don't know when nila i-restore.

welcome glenn for registering finally. welcome to SSC.

gibb

Yesterday
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/carcar/carcarfountain01.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/carcar/carcarfountain02.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/carcar/carcarfountain03.jpg


The last time I saw it, complete pa with the pool surrounding it, sunod ani basin ulo nalang sa mga bata mabilin :( . The same also happened to a pre-War plaza in our hometown, almost the same ang architecture as this gipulpog lang sa mayor to give way to a more modern plaza.

Yesterday
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/carcar/carcarfountain01.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/carcar/carcarfountain02.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/carcar/carcarfountain03.jpg


The last time I saw it, complete pa with the pool surrounding it, sunod ani basin ulo nalang sa mga bata mabilin :( . The same also happened to a pre-War plaza in our hometown, almost the same ang architecture as this gipulpog lang sa mayor to give way to a more modern plaza.

Of course it's good to have them back but it's impossible to put them back while the good cardinal still lords over the cathedral because he doesn't seem to want old things in his churches. IMO, it need not be placed back but I just hope they'll get rid of those steel arches near the images of San vidal and the Virgin because it's done with so poor taste. Bati kaayo. Kulang na lang ato mga taw nga mobitbit kay Santacruzan na dayon.


After the massive renovation in the 1990's those side retablos which are now with SAP were still in the cathedral. the left side retablo (when facing the altar) contains the image of st joseph and a marble tabernacle (now dismantled and placed near the CR) while at the right is that of the inmaculada (detallado, patterned after murillos painting). The only image of san vidal inside is the one in the baptistry. that huge one is new. and that big inmaculada i think used to be the processional. and by the way, where is the inmaculada's old carro? left to rot? :ohno:

it was only arround 2 years ago that these retablos were removed (not to mention, balance). i have posted comments on Arnold Carl's Flickr about my opinion of their removal and their replacement and i dont want to repeat it here. i may just sound like a broken gong.

As to the cardinal, i think he doesn't really actually know what's going on in the cathedral, after all its also a parish.. it is still the pastors' whims and caprice.

Of course it's good to have them back but it's impossible to put them back while the good cardinal still lords over the cathedral because he doesn't seem to want old things in his churches. IMO, it need not be placed back but I just hope they'll get rid of those steel arches near the images of San vidal and the Virgin because it's done with so poor taste. Bati kaayo. Kulang na lang ato mga taw nga mobitbit kay Santacruzan na dayon.


After the massive renovation in the 1990's those side retablos which are now with SAP were still in the cathedral. the left side retablo (when facing the altar) contains the image of st joseph and a marble tabernacle (now dismantled and placed near the CR) while at the right is that of the inmaculada (detallado, patterned after murillos painting). The only image of san vidal inside is the one in the baptistry. that huge one is new. and that big inmaculada i think used to be the processional. and by the way, where is the inmaculada's old carro? left to rot? :ohno:

it was only arround 2 years ago that these retablos were removed (not to mention, balance). i have posted comments on Arnold Carl's Flickr about my opinion of their removal and their replacement and i dont want to repeat it here. i may just sound like a broken gong.

As to the cardinal, i think he doesn't really actually know what's going on in the cathedral, after all its also a parish.. it is still the pastors' whims and caprice.

they're afraid na makiha. i don't know when nila i-restore.

welcome glenn for registering finally. welcome to SSC.

gibb


thanks gibb.. i am an avid reader since then and just lately i've decided to join. plus, im starting to know some members.

:)

they're afraid na makiha. i don't know when nila i-restore.

welcome glenn for registering finally. welcome to SSC.

gibb


thanks gibb.. i am an avid reader since then and just lately i've decided to join. plus, im starting to know some members.

:)

how is San Vitalis related to Cebu, and why was he selected to be the patron of the Cathedral with the Immaculate Conception?

how is San Vitalis related to Cebu, and why was he selected to be the patron of the Cathedral with the Immaculate Conception?

how is San Vitalis related to Cebu, and why was he selected to be the patron of the Cathedral with the Immaculate Conception?

i think it has something to do with the date of establishment or consecration.. not sure. as far as i know, also the holy angels.

so that makes it:

holy angels
san vidal
inmaculada
and also the holy name

how is San Vitalis related to Cebu, and why was he selected to be the patron of the Cathedral with the Immaculate Conception?

i think it has something to do with the date of establishment or consecration.. not sure. as far as i know, also the holy angels.

so that makes it:

holy angels
san vidal
inmaculada
and also the holy name

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/imagegallery/store/phpEc5Tz0.jpg

Image from Channelnewsasia (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/southeastasia/view/325671/1/.html)


Cebu, the site of the first Spanish settlement was not forgotten, and by June 30, 1595 Sedeno himself headed a small group composed of Alonso de Humanes, Mateo Sanchez and a lay brother to Cebu for the purpose of founding a Jesuit house there. The people received them warmly and promptly donated 500 pesos to them, which they used to buy a house near the beach. The city corporation donated adjacent land for a yard and garden. The trip to Cebu had been on an uncovered sailboat, exposing the Jesuit passengers to the stormy weather for three weeks. Father Sedeno became ill and passed away in Cebu on September 2, 1595. They buried him in the domestic chapel on the ground floor of their first house, but three years later, Father Pedro Chirino transferred Sedeno’s remains to the new Jesuit church.

Father Horacio Dela Costa, The Jesuits in the Philippines.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/imagegallery/store/phpEc5Tz0.jpg

Image from Channelnewsasia (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/southeastasia/view/325671/1/.html)


Cebu, the site of the first Spanish settlement was not forgotten, and by June 30, 1595 Sedeno himself headed a small group composed of Alonso de Humanes, Mateo Sanchez and a lay brother to Cebu for the purpose of founding a Jesuit house there. The people received them warmly and promptly donated 500 pesos to them, which they used to buy a house near the beach. The city corporation donated adjacent land for a yard and garden. The trip to Cebu had been on an uncovered sailboat, exposing the Jesuit passengers to the stormy weather for three weeks. Father Sedeno became ill and passed away in Cebu on September 2, 1595. They buried him in the domestic chapel on the ground floor of their first house, but three years later, Father Pedro Chirino transferred Sedeno’s remains to the new Jesuit church.

Father Horacio Dela Costa, The Jesuits in the Philippines.

By the way,

Does anyone knows Joy Onizawa here in Cebu? Because the local heritage council of Iloilo (ICCHCC) are planning to have a Carcar trip this summer.

And also, there was a plan for a heritage conservation youth convention (I think this is not strictly HCS alone) to be convened either in Cebu or Banawe.

By the way,

Does anyone knows Joy Onizawa here in Cebu? Because the local heritage council of Iloilo (ICCHCC) are planning to have a Carcar trip this summer.

And also, there was a plan for a heritage conservation youth convention (I think this is not strictly HCS alone) to be convened either in Cebu or Banawe.

By the way,

Does anyone knows Joy Onizawa here in Cebu? Because the local heritage council of Iloilo (ICCHCC) are planning to have a Carcar trip this summer.

And also, there was a plan for a heritage conservation youth convention (I think this is not strictly HCS alone) to be convened either in Cebu or Banawe.

It's Archt. Joy Martinez-Onozawa, not Onizawa. Her son is a student of mine at SoAn. In fact he plans to join my archaeological excavations scheduled for March 24-April 24 in Boljoon again.

Can you be more clear, Berniemack, about your concern so that I can relay it to his son?

I think Joy is working for a USAID project based in Iligan City, according to his son when we last talked, which was over a week ago.

By the way,

Does anyone knows Joy Onizawa here in Cebu? Because the local heritage council of Iloilo (ICCHCC) are planning to have a Carcar trip this summer.

And also, there was a plan for a heritage conservation youth convention (I think this is not strictly HCS alone) to be convened either in Cebu or Banawe.

It's Archt. Joy Martinez-Onozawa, not Onizawa. Her son is a student of mine at SoAn. In fact he plans to join my archaeological excavations scheduled for March 24-April 24 in Boljoon again.

Can you be more clear, Berniemack, about your concern so that I can relay it to his son?

I think Joy is working for a USAID project based in Iligan City, according to his son when we last talked, which was over a week ago.

^^ Yup. The ICCHCC (Iloilo City Cultural Heritage Conservation Council) might be having a fieldtrip there either in Carcar or Cebu itself and I think she is the contact person.

And if any Cebuano heritage contacts wants also to have a tour of Iloilo on the other hand, you can contact me. Its an exchange & getting to know more of cultures & heritage that the Visayas has.

And I've heard that Archt. Villalon is planning to have a youth camp for heritage conservation either in Cebu or Banawe this year.

^^ Yup. The ICCHCC (Iloilo City Cultural Heritage Conservation Council) might be having a fieldtrip there either in Carcar or Cebu itself and I think she is the contact person.

And if any Cebuano heritage contacts wants also to have a tour of Iloilo on the other hand, you can contact me. Its an exchange & getting to know more of cultures & heritage that the Visayas has.

And I've heard that Archt. Villalon is planning to have a youth camp for heritage conservation either in Cebu or Banawe this year.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/capitol-3.jpg
June 14, 1938
It still looks as beautiful as it did before. I wonder what its original color scheme was? I'm quite sure it wasn't just plain white. I guess it was more or less cream in color and highlighted by earth tones... hehe just guessing.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/capitol2.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/capitol-3.jpg
June 14, 1938
It still looks as beautiful as it did before. I wonder what its original color scheme was? I'm quite sure it wasn't just plain white. I guess it was more or less cream in color and highlighted by earth tones... hehe just guessing.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/capitol2.jpg

^^

Would have been better if Madame GLU was inaugurated in that balcony.

It would have been such a grand inauguration at "The Capitol" instead of in that humongous make shift stage which literally stole the show from the historic building.



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^^

Would have been better if Madame GLU was inaugurated in that balcony.

It would have been such a grand inauguration at "The Capitol" instead of in that humongous make shift stage which literally stole the show from the historic building.



..

^^^^

@Harve

did you scan these photos from the Capitol Inaugural Blue Book?

^^^^

@Harve

did you scan these photos from the Capitol Inaugural Blue Book?

^^^^

@Harve

did you scan these photos from the Capitol Inaugural Blue Book?

Not sure if it comes from the Blue book, I found these photos in an old box full of loose leaves and a hodge podge of tattered books.. naa diay Capitol Inaugural Blue Book? hehehe kay mga loose leaves raman ni gikan.. how does that blue book look like? kay basin naa ra dini sa storeroom. maytag not in a gory state of disrepair kay pangitaon jud nako bahalag bits and pieces :horse:

^^^^

@Harve

did you scan these photos from the Capitol Inaugural Blue Book?

Not sure if it comes from the Blue book, I found these photos in an old box full of loose leaves and a hodge podge of tattered books.. naa diay Capitol Inaugural Blue Book? hehehe kay mga loose leaves raman ni gikan.. how does that blue book look like? kay basin naa ra dini sa storeroom. maytag not in a gory state of disrepair kay pangitaon jud nako bahalag bits and pieces :horse:

^^

Would have been better if Madame GLU was inaugurated in that balcony.

It would have been such a grand inauguration at "The Capitol" instead of in that humongous make shift stage which literally stole the show from the historic building.



..


paet noh they just made a temporary plaza in front of the capitol during madame's oath:bash:

^^

Would have been better if Madame GLU was inaugurated in that balcony.

It would have been such a grand inauguration at "The Capitol" instead of in that humongous make shift stage which literally stole the show from the historic building.



..


paet noh they just made a temporary plaza in front of the capitol during madame's oath:bash:

naa diay Capitol Inaugural Blue Book? hehehe kay mga loose leaves raman ni gikan.. how does that blue book look like?

yup. i know of two extant copies thus far. it's actually nothing more than a magazine but the color of the cover is...you guessed it: blue. hahah... and the title is....of course: Blue Book.

It's full of pictures of the inaugural an one page showing the construction phase )medyo malabo ang photos)...the first few pages are all speeches, speeches, speeches...and the last ten pages are all names of donors for the building.

naa diay Capitol Inaugural Blue Book? hehehe kay mga loose leaves raman ni gikan.. how does that blue book look like?

yup. i know of two extant copies thus far. it's actually nothing more than a magazine but the color of the cover is...you guessed it: blue. hahah... and the title is....of course: Blue Book.

It's full of pictures of the inaugural an one page showing the construction phase )medyo malabo ang photos)...the first few pages are all speeches, speeches, speeches...and the last ten pages are all names of donors for the building.

paet noh they just made a temporary plaza in front of the capitol during madame's oath:bash:

It's because all presidential inaugurals must show the president and his or her family (and the Chief Justice or whoever is administering the oath) in full body shot, from head to foot, as it were. and the oath-taking must be elevated from the ground where ordinary mortals can watch in awe---a kind of spectacle to imbue the position with an aura of power and integrity (?). only Cory Aquino's oath-taking, due to circumstances prevailing, did not follow the norm.

If GMA took her oath on the balcony, the public would never have seen her at all since she is not tall. At best, the public would have seen only her head and her right hand....now that would be awfully inadequate.

Besides, all the presidential inaugurals at Quirino Grandstand were always done on temprary platforms built just for the occasion. And these were far worse: the dignitaries and the public were even higher than the platform, since they sat on the bleachers behind the platform.

paet noh they just made a temporary plaza in front of the capitol during madame's oath:bash:

It's because all presidential inaugurals must show the president and his or her family (and the Chief Justice or whoever is administering the oath) in full body shot, from head to foot, as it were. and the oath-taking must be elevated from the ground where ordinary mortals can watch in awe---a kind of spectacle to imbue the position with an aura of power and integrity (?). only Cory Aquino's oath-taking, due to circumstances prevailing, did not follow the norm.

If GMA took her oath on the balcony, the public would never have seen her at all since she is not tall. At best, the public would have seen only her head and her right hand....now that would be awfully inadequate.

Besides, all the presidential inaugurals at Quirino Grandstand were always done on temprary platforms built just for the occasion. And these were far worse: the dignitaries and the public were even higher than the platform, since they sat on the bleachers behind the platform.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/capitol-3.jpg
June 14, 1938
It still looks as beautiful as it did before. I wonder what its original color scheme was? I'm quite sure it wasn't just plain white. I guess it was more or less cream in color and highlighted by earth tones... hehe just guessing.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/capitol2.jpg

The color must have been of darker tone. could be gray or jasper like that of the slabs. Good thing the emblems of the commonwealth were not removed.

I hope that they also restore and clean the entrance part to make it a bit lofty and welcoming to guest and whoever enters the capitol like what they did to the cebu city hall.. i don't like the idea of putting a porte-cochere in the columns though. it somehow alters the original look of the building.

of all the capitols i've seen, ours is the most beautiful so far. I've seen pictures of pangasinan. also a must see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/diamonds_in_the_soles_of_her_shoes/297745499/

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/capitol-3.jpg
June 14, 1938
It still looks as beautiful as it did before. I wonder what its original color scheme was? I'm quite sure it wasn't just plain white. I guess it was more or less cream in color and highlighted by earth tones... hehe just guessing.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/capitol2.jpg

The color must have been of darker tone. could be gray or jasper like that of the slabs. Good thing the emblems of the commonwealth were not removed.

I hope that they also restore and clean the entrance part to make it a bit lofty and welcoming to guest and whoever enters the capitol like what they did to the cebu city hall.. i don't like the idea of putting a porte-cochere in the columns though. it somehow alters the original look of the building.

of all the capitols i've seen, ours is the most beautiful so far. I've seen pictures of pangasinan. also a must see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/diamonds_in_the_soles_of_her_shoes/297745499/

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/DSC07221.jpg
Original image by Ivan Henares. Edited (at least an attempt) to look like the Capitol of the 1970's
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/capitol1975001.jpg
Capitol circa 1975.
According to my dad, before the war, it actually looked more or less how USC looks now. Interesting point to ponder.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/DSC07221.jpg
Original image by Ivan Henares. Edited (at least an attempt) to look like the Capitol of the 1970's
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/capitol1975001.jpg
Capitol circa 1975.
According to my dad, before the war, it actually looked more or less how USC looks now. Interesting point to ponder.

^^

USC, so the color must have been predominantly green..

^^

USC, so the color must have been predominantly green..

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/railroad2.jpg
Check out encircled background. You can actually see the contours of the mountains of Tisa, Capaculan (Labangon-Banawa boundaries) and Buhisan. That road, to the right of the railway, might probably even be Tres de Abril Street.

There appears to be a structure that looks like it would house the engines. I forgot what those things are called, engine houses? hehe

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/presentrailroad.jpg
You can clearly see the outline of those mountains here.

This photograph was taken in Labangon, at more or less the same angle but different distances. I surmise that the earlier photograph was taken somewhere near South-Bus terminal or Citilink as you'd have the same view if you look towards the South to Labangon.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/railroad2.jpg
Check out encircled background. You can actually see the contours of the mountains of Tisa, Capaculan (Labangon-Banawa boundaries) and Buhisan. That road, to the right of the railway, might probably even be Tres de Abril Street.

There appears to be a structure that looks like it would house the engines. I forgot what those things are called, engine houses? hehe

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/presentrailroad.jpg
You can clearly see the outline of those mountains here.

This photograph was taken in Labangon, at more or less the same angle but different distances. I surmise that the earlier photograph was taken somewhere near South-Bus terminal or Citilink as you'd have the same view if you look towards the South to Labangon.

^^

USC, so the color must have been predominantly green..

Not the old USC color scheme, the new one. Tan, brown and earth tones, plus green hehe

^^

USC, so the color must have been predominantly green..

Not the old USC color scheme, the new one. Tan, brown and earth tones, plus green hehe

Guys, Is there any records wherein I could look up to on the history of Talamban?
On the 28th of Feb, it will be our parish's 50th founding anniversary. I have checked the parish's website and the write ups there weren't really specific. According to some old folks, Talamban was before under Mabolo Parish. Then why that old bell in Mabolo have this inscription, "Paroquia de Talambanan"? All I know is that our place used to be part of the friar lands...

Guys, Is there any records wherein I could look up to on the history of Talamban?
On the 28th of Feb, it will be our parish's 50th founding anniversary. I have checked the parish's website and the write ups there weren't really specific. According to some old folks, Talamban was before under Mabolo Parish. Then why that old bell in Mabolo have this inscription, "Paroquia de Talambanan"? All I know is that our place used to be part of the friar lands...

Guys, Is there any records wherein I could look up to on the history of Talamban?
On the 28th of Feb, it will be our parish's 50th founding anniversary. I have checked the parish's website and the write ups there weren't really specific. According to some old folks, Talamban was before under Mabolo Parish. Then why that old bell in Mabolo have this inscription, "Paroquia de Talambanan"? All I know is that our place used to be part of the friar lands...

Archaeologue can help you on that :) :) :)
hi Sir Joeber! hehe plugging dayun:lol:

Guys, Is there any records wherein I could look up to on the history of Talamban?
On the 28th of Feb, it will be our parish's 50th founding anniversary. I have checked the parish's website and the write ups there weren't really specific. According to some old folks, Talamban was before under Mabolo Parish. Then why that old bell in Mabolo have this inscription, "Paroquia de Talambanan"? All I know is that our place used to be part of the friar lands...

Archaeologue can help you on that :) :) :)
hi Sir Joeber! hehe plugging dayun:lol:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/railroad2.jpg
Check out encircled background. You can actually see the contours of the mountains of Tisa, Capaculan (Labangon-Banawa boundaries) and Buhisan. That road, to the right of the railway, might probably even be Tres de Abril Street.

There appears to be a structure that looks like it would house the engines. I forgot what those things are called, engine houses? hehe

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/presentrailroad.jpg
You can clearly see the outline of those mountains here.

This photograph was taken in Labangon, at more or less the same angle but different distances. I surmise that the earlier photograph was taken somewhere near South-Bus terminal or Citilink as you'd have the same view if you look towards the South to Labangon.

perhaps from where ACT stands.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/railroad2.jpg
Check out encircled background. You can actually see the contours of the mountains of Tisa, Capaculan (Labangon-Banawa boundaries) and Buhisan. That road, to the right of the railway, might probably even be Tres de Abril Street.

There appears to be a structure that looks like it would house the engines. I forgot what those things are called, engine houses? hehe

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/presentrailroad.jpg
You can clearly see the outline of those mountains here.

This photograph was taken in Labangon, at more or less the same angle but different distances. I surmise that the earlier photograph was taken somewhere near South-Bus terminal or Citilink as you'd have the same view if you look towards the South to Labangon.

perhaps from where ACT stands.

^^

good.. i'll wait for his response or post. thanks!

^^

good.. i'll wait for his response or post. thanks!

Not sure if it comes from the Blue book, I found these photos in an old box full of loose leaves and a hodge podge of tattered books.. naa diay Capitol Inaugural Blue Book? hehehe kay mga loose leaves raman ni gikan.. how does that blue book look like? kay basin naa ra dini sa storeroom. maytag not in a gory state of disrepair kay pangitaon jud nako bahalag bits and pieces :horse:


The very same photos that you posted was also posted in a website.. In fact, Animo already posted it in the previous pages, hehehe..

It says that the photos were given courtesy of Dr. Mamerto Escaño..

Ummm, which is which?

Not sure if it comes from the Blue book, I found these photos in an old box full of loose leaves and a hodge podge of tattered books.. naa diay Capitol Inaugural Blue Book? hehehe kay mga loose leaves raman ni gikan.. how does that blue book look like? kay basin naa ra dini sa storeroom. maytag not in a gory state of disrepair kay pangitaon jud nako bahalag bits and pieces :horse:


The very same photos that you posted was also posted in a website.. In fact, Animo already posted it in the previous pages, hehehe..

It says that the photos were given courtesy of Dr. Mamerto Escaño..

Ummm, which is which?

^^

@HarvHarve Re: Capitol in the 70s


It looks ugly with that kind of color scheme...

I prefer the one we have now -- plain white just like the White House or the US Capitol.


..

^^

@HarvHarve Re: Capitol in the 70s


It looks ugly with that kind of color scheme...

I prefer the one we have now -- plain white just like the White House or the US Capitol.


..

^^^^
posted na diay? :) got them captol pix from a box of tattered books bai :lol:

^^^^
posted na diay? :) got them captol pix from a box of tattered books bai :lol:

Guys, Is there any records wherein I could look up to on the history of Talamban?
On the 28th of Feb, it will be our parish's 50th founding anniversary. I have checked the parish's website and the write ups there weren't really specific. According to some old folks, Talamban was before under Mabolo Parish. Then why that old bell in Mabolo have this inscription, "Paroquia de Talambanan"? All I know is that our place used to be part of the friar lands...

@Harve, you give me too much credit...hahaah....

@goleyson:
I think you can get materials from the Cebuano Studies Center on Talamban...and yes, I think you are right, Mabolo parish is the one referred to in Spanish and American documents as the town of Talamban. This fact makes it a little difficult when you want to write about the history of the Talamban parish as it is now because when the Augustinians established the parish of Talamban around 1610 or 1611 or thereabouts, i think that meant the lands beyond the Parian district that would stretch to Mabolo and on to even Banilad up to Pit-os and the uplands. But its town center was somewhere hear the old convento of Mabolo, I suppose.

Guys, Is there any records wherein I could look up to on the history of Talamban?
On the 28th of Feb, it will be our parish's 50th founding anniversary. I have checked the parish's website and the write ups there weren't really specific. According to some old folks, Talamban was before under Mabolo Parish. Then why that old bell in Mabolo have this inscription, "Paroquia de Talambanan"? All I know is that our place used to be part of the friar lands...

@Harve, you give me too much credit...hahaah....

@goleyson:
I think you can get materials from the Cebuano Studies Center on Talamban...and yes, I think you are right, Mabolo parish is the one referred to in Spanish and American documents as the town of Talamban. This fact makes it a little difficult when you want to write about the history of the Talamban parish as it is now because when the Augustinians established the parish of Talamban around 1610 or 1611 or thereabouts, i think that meant the lands beyond the Parian district that would stretch to Mabolo and on to even Banilad up to Pit-os and the uplands. But its town center was somewhere hear the old convento of Mabolo, I suppose.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/railroad2.jpg
Check out encircled background. You can actually see the contours of the mountains of Tisa, Capaculan (Labangon-Banawa boundaries) and Buhisan. That road, to the right of the railway, might probably even be Tres de Abril Street.



@harveharve

The road you see on the photo above is the South Road, later South Expressway and now some other name when it ceased to give the semblance of an express conveyance.

This photo was most probably taken from the second floor of the train station itself.

I think it is on record that the old central train station is where the Cebu Central Fire Station and South Bus Terminal are located right now. The station itself was located within the central depot, with hangar-like structures on both edges. In the photo above one can see one of the structures [at the upper left], where I think the CEbu City Medical Center stands now. These all got blown away during the Liberation bombings, since train depots were immediate targets.

The outer edge of the central depot is where the DBP, the now-demolished GSIS along Jones Avenue, the new Asian College of Technology (ex-ABS CBN station) and Elizabeth Mall are currently located.

USC wanted to buy this entire block as its Girls High Campus in 1956-59 from the War Reparations Commission (forerunner of DBP), but one greedy city councilor opposed it. The result was that USC had to scramble to buy the property on Private where the campus is right now. At the time, it was also visible from the old train station. You can read this in the USC coffee table book (University of San Carlos, A Commemorative History, 1595-2005) which resil, linda and I co-wrote. that's free advertising for us...sorry.
:banana:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/railroad2.jpg
Check out encircled background. You can actually see the contours of the mountains of Tisa, Capaculan (Labangon-Banawa boundaries) and Buhisan. That road, to the right of the railway, might probably even be Tres de Abril Street.



@harveharve

The road you see on the photo above is the South Road, later South Expressway and now some other name when it ceased to give the semblance of an express conveyance.

This photo was most probably taken from the second floor of the train station itself.

I think it is on record that the old central train station is where the Cebu Central Fire Station and South Bus Terminal are located right now. The station itself was located within the central depot, with hangar-like structures on both edges. In the photo above one can see one of the structures [at the upper left], where I think the CEbu City Medical Center stands now. These all got blown away during the Liberation bombings, since train depots were immediate targets.

The outer edge of the central depot is where the DBP, the now-demolished GSIS along Jones Avenue, the new Asian College of Technology (ex-ABS CBN station) and Elizabeth Mall are currently located.

USC wanted to buy this entire block as its Girls High Campus in 1956-59 from the War Reparations Commission (forerunner of DBP), but one greedy city councilor opposed it. The result was that USC had to scramble to buy the property on Private where the campus is right now. At the time, it was also visible from the old train station. You can read this in the USC coffee table book (University of San Carlos, A Commemorative History, 1595-2005) which resil, linda and I co-wrote. that's free advertising for us...sorry.
:banana:

^^ Yup. The ICCHCC (Iloilo City Cultural Heritage Conservation Council) might be having a fieldtrip there either in Carcar or Cebu itself and I think she is the contact person.

.

I don't think she is the best person to contact right now for a tour of Carcar. That would be the Carcar Heritage Foundation.. You need to contact Val SAndiego and Jerry Noel Alfafara.

Now for a tour of old Cebu, well Arnold Carl, are you game? :lol:

^^ Yup. The ICCHCC (Iloilo City Cultural Heritage Conservation Council) might be having a fieldtrip there either in Carcar or Cebu itself and I think she is the contact person.

.

I don't think she is the best person to contact right now for a tour of Carcar. That would be the Carcar Heritage Foundation.. You need to contact Val SAndiego and Jerry Noel Alfafara.

Now for a tour of old Cebu, well Arnold Carl, are you game? :lol:

@Harve, you give me too much credit...hahaah....

@goleyson:
I think you can get materials from the Cebuano Studies Center on Talamban...and yes, I think you are right, Mabolo parish is the one referred to in Spanish and American documents as the town of Talamban. This fact makes it a little difficult when you want to write about the history of the Talamban parish as it is now because when the Augustinians established the parish of Talamban around 1610 or 1611 or thereabouts, i think that meant the lands beyond the Parian district that would stretch to Mabolo and on to even Banilad up to Pit-os and the uplands. But its town center was somewhere hear the old convento of Mabolo, I suppose.

Thanks for this... there are no remnants of stone structures in the present talamban. only some old houses dating back to the time of the americans or prewar and the rest are farm lands and now subdivisions.

@Harve, you give me too much credit...hahaah....

@goleyson:
I think you can get materials from the Cebuano Studies Center on Talamban...and yes, I think you are right, Mabolo parish is the one referred to in Spanish and American documents as the town of Talamban. This fact makes it a little difficult when you want to write about the history of the Talamban parish as it is now because when the Augustinians established the parish of Talamban around 1610 or 1611 or thereabouts, i think that meant the lands beyond the Parian district that would stretch to Mabolo and on to even Banilad up to Pit-os and the uplands. But its town center was somewhere hear the old convento of Mabolo, I suppose.

Thanks for this... there are no remnants of stone structures in the present talamban. only some old houses dating back to the time of the americans or prewar and the rest are farm lands and now subdivisions.

Regarding the train (and tram?), my grandmother had fond memories since it passes by mandaue to the north. any plans of having a rail system for cebu again?

Regarding the train (and tram?), my grandmother had fond memories since it passes by mandaue to the north. any plans of having a rail system for cebu again?

^^^^
posted na diay? :) got them captol pix from a box of tattered books bai :lol:


This one bai, http://bisaya.homestead.com/OldCebu.html

Anyway, when can we havea tour of your "library" and "museum" ? hehehe :D :lol:



@archaeologue

Game ko ana! hehehe


@Bernie

Contact nalang ni Kentaro bernie kay his from carcar man jud...

Hope you can visit Argao and Dalaguete too..

^^^^
posted na diay? :) got them captol pix from a box of tattered books bai :lol:


This one bai, http://bisaya.homestead.com/OldCebu.html

Anyway, when can we havea tour of your "library" and "museum" ? hehehe :D :lol:



@archaeologue

Game ko ana! hehehe


@Bernie

Contact nalang ni Kentaro bernie kay his from carcar man jud...

Hope you can visit Argao and Dalaguete too..

@Bernie

Contact nalang ni Kentaro bernie kay his from carcar man jud...

Hope you can visit Argao and Dalaguete too..


any specific date bern?

@Bernie

Contact nalang ni Kentaro bernie kay his from carcar man jud...

Hope you can visit Argao and Dalaguete too..


any specific date bern?

I don't think she is the best person to contact right now for a tour of Carcar. That would be the Carcar Heritage Foundation.. You need to contact Val SAndiego and Jerry Noel Alfafara.


Ok. I'll advise them regarding that on next Tuesday's meeting. Thanks. :)


@Bernie
Contact nalang ni Kentaro bernie kay his from carcar man jud...
Hope you can visit Argao and Dalaguete too..

I suggested that we can have the church tours if kaya pud nila gikan Oslob, morag katong gihimo nato, wahehehehe!!! :D Or basin ganahan ka kuyog nako sometime next week for southwest coast Cebu (if madayon pud ko balik diha) :)

any specific date bern?

They just told me it'll be sometime April or May. They haven't said any specific dates yet since its just a plan but they're very enthusiastic about it. :)

I don't think she is the best person to contact right now for a tour of Carcar. That would be the Carcar Heritage Foundation.. You need to contact Val SAndiego and Jerry Noel Alfafara.


Ok. I'll advise them regarding that on next Tuesday's meeting. Thanks. :)


@Bernie
Contact nalang ni Kentaro bernie kay his from carcar man jud...
Hope you can visit Argao and Dalaguete too..

I suggested that we can have the church tours if kaya pud nila gikan Oslob, morag katong gihimo nato, wahehehehe!!! :D Or basin ganahan ka kuyog nako sometime next week for southwest coast Cebu (if madayon pud ko balik diha) :)

any specific date bern?

They just told me it'll be sometime April or May. They haven't said any specific dates yet since its just a plan but they're very enthusiastic about it. :)

They just told me it'll be sometime April or May. They haven't said any specific dates yet since its just a plan but they're very enthusiastic about it. :)

hopefully it will be finalized soon. so we can book a tour inside the balay na tisa. it's by appointment man gud because it's not a museum but a private house. all the rest can be easily arranged.

anyway i can just text/meet jerry martin alfafara or val san diego any time for their inputs regarding that tour.

They just told me it'll be sometime April or May. They haven't said any specific dates yet since its just a plan but they're very enthusiastic about it. :)

hopefully it will be finalized soon. so we can book a tour inside the balay na tisa. it's by appointment man gud because it's not a museum but a private house. all the rest can be easily arranged.

anyway i can just text/meet jerry martin alfafara or val san diego any time for their inputs regarding that tour.

They just told me it'll be sometime April or May. They haven't said any specific dates yet since its just a plan but they're very enthusiastic about it. :)


If we get the permits, you might be able to see us excavating in front, at the patio, and at the back of Boljoon Church between March 24 and April 21

.:banana:

They just told me it'll be sometime April or May. They haven't said any specific dates yet since its just a plan but they're very enthusiastic about it. :)


If we get the permits, you might be able to see us excavating in front, at the patio, and at the back of Boljoon Church between March 24 and April 21

.:banana:

Regarding the train (and tram?), my grandmother had fond memories since it passes by mandaue to the north. any plans of having a rail system for cebu again?

For railways, ports, other projects for Cebu 2006-2010
By Rose O. Verzosa
Sun.Star Staff August 24, 2006 issue

President Arroyo has approved around P60.8 billion worth of infrastructure investments for Cebu for 2006 to 2010, mostly for railways and ports.

Marlene CA Rodriguez, director of the National Economic and Development Authority (Neda) 7, said this amount is 32 percent of the P190-billion total infrastructure budget for Central Philippines.

Rodriguez made these revelations during yesterday’s Sun.Star Economic Forum at the Waterfront Cebu City Hotel in Lahug.

Based on Arroyo’s super-region development strategy, Central Philippines covers the provinces of Palawan, Romblon and Camiguin, Dapitan City, Siargao island, the regions of Bicol, Western Visayas, Eastern Visayas and Central Visayas.

Railways

Citing the Central Philippines Investment Program, which was approved by Arroyo last July 21, a P33-billion budget is allocated for Cebu’s railways, while P18.88 billion is for its ports.

The rest of the budget is distributed for roads and bridges (P6.3 billion), airports (P749 million) and tourism infrastructure ((P1.9 billion).

“I would just like to mention that the investment for railway in Cebu is for the proposed Metro Cebu Mass Transportation System (MCMTS), which was already presented to the Investment Coordination Committee but was returned to the proponent for revision because of its huge investment requirement,” Rodriguez said.

She said the MCMTS involves the construction of a railway system from Talisay City to Consola-cion for the first phase and from Talisay City to Carcar, and Consolacion to Danao City for the second phase.

Ports

Some of the major ongoing projects included in the P61-billion infrastructure budget for Cebu are the construction of the sub-way section of the Cebu South Coastal Road, the completion of the Cebu South Road improvement project, which includes the P785-million improvement and widening of the Talisay Junction-Toledo-Carcar section, and the improvement of the Naga-Toledo road, which covers 34.8 kilometers of existing roads and six bridges.

The construction and improvement of roll-on-roll-off (Roro) ports in Cebu, which fall along the priority routes to complete the nautical highway, and the improvement of roads connecting these Roro ports are also some of the proposed projects covered under the budget for Cebu.

Another project being proposed and included in the budget is the Cebu North Coastal Road project, which involves the construction of approximately 11 kilometers of roads traversing the coastal areas of Mandaue City, and the towns of Consolacion and Liloan.

Rodriguez yesterday emphasized Cebu’s vital role in the promotion of Central Philippines Tourism Center, linking the islands through efficient transportation and communication facilities.

“Central Philippines, of which Cebu is part, is envisioned to be the major tourist center of the country, while the Cyber Corridor, of which Cebu is also a part, will boost telecommunications technology and education,” she said.

Regarding the train (and tram?), my grandmother had fond memories since it passes by mandaue to the north. any plans of having a rail system for cebu again?

For railways, ports, other projects for Cebu 2006-2010
By Rose O. Verzosa
Sun.Star Staff August 24, 2006 issue

President Arroyo has approved around P60.8 billion worth of infrastructure investments for Cebu for 2006 to 2010, mostly for railways and ports.

Marlene CA Rodriguez, director of the National Economic and Development Authority (Neda) 7, said this amount is 32 percent of the P190-billion total infrastructure budget for Central Philippines.

Rodriguez made these revelations during yesterday’s Sun.Star Economic Forum at the Waterfront Cebu City Hotel in Lahug.

Based on Arroyo’s super-region development strategy, Central Philippines covers the provinces of Palawan, Romblon and Camiguin, Dapitan City, Siargao island, the regions of Bicol, Western Visayas, Eastern Visayas and Central Visayas.

Railways

Citing the Central Philippines Investment Program, which was approved by Arroyo last July 21, a P33-billion budget is allocated for Cebu’s railways, while P18.88 billion is for its ports.

The rest of the budget is distributed for roads and bridges (P6.3 billion), airports (P749 million) and tourism infrastructure ((P1.9 billion).

“I would just like to mention that the investment for railway in Cebu is for the proposed Metro Cebu Mass Transportation System (MCMTS), which was already presented to the Investment Coordination Committee but was returned to the proponent for revision because of its huge investment requirement,” Rodriguez said.

She said the MCMTS involves the construction of a railway system from Talisay City to Consola-cion for the first phase and from Talisay City to Carcar, and Consolacion to Danao City for the second phase.

Ports

Some of the major ongoing projects included in the P61-billion infrastructure budget for Cebu are the construction of the sub-way section of the Cebu South Coastal Road, the completion of the Cebu South Road improvement project, which includes the P785-million improvement and widening of the Talisay Junction-Toledo-Carcar section, and the improvement of the Naga-Toledo road, which covers 34.8 kilometers of existing roads and six bridges.

The construction and improvement of roll-on-roll-off (Roro) ports in Cebu, which fall along the priority routes to complete the nautical highway, and the improvement of roads connecting these Roro ports are also some of the proposed projects covered under the budget for Cebu.

Another project being proposed and included in the budget is the Cebu North Coastal Road project, which involves the construction of approximately 11 kilometers of roads traversing the coastal areas of Mandaue City, and the towns of Consolacion and Liloan.

Rodriguez yesterday emphasized Cebu’s vital role in the promotion of Central Philippines Tourism Center, linking the islands through efficient transportation and communication facilities.

“Central Philippines, of which Cebu is part, is envisioned to be the major tourist center of the country, while the Cyber Corridor, of which Cebu is also a part, will boost telecommunications technology and education,” she said.

hopefully it will be finalized soon. so we can book a tour inside the balay na tisa. it's by appointment man gud because it's not a museum but a private house. all the rest can be easily arranged.

anyway i can just text/meet jerry martin alfafara or val san diego any time for their inputs regarding that tour.

If we get the permits, you might be able to see us excavating in front, at the patio, and at the back of Boljoon Church between March 24 and April 21

.:banana:

Thanks mga bai! I'll tell them regarding this on Tuesday. :okay:
I hope na kamo man makaanhi man pud sa amua. :)

hopefully it will be finalized soon. so we can book a tour inside the balay na tisa. it's by appointment man gud because it's not a museum but a private house. all the rest can be easily arranged.

anyway i can just text/meet jerry martin alfafara or val san diego any time for their inputs regarding that tour.

If we get the permits, you might be able to see us excavating in front, at the patio, and at the back of Boljoon Church between March 24 and April 21

.:banana:

Thanks mga bai! I'll tell them regarding this on Tuesday. :okay:
I hope na kamo man makaanhi man pud sa amua. :)

I don't think she is the best person to contact right now for a tour of Carcar. That would be the Carcar Heritage Foundation.. You need to contact Val SAndiego and Jerry Noel Alfafara.

Now for a tour of old Cebu, well Arnold Carl, are you game? :lol:


Sir Jo advertise sad ko ha...

Usa ako ka Accredeted tourguide..

Ug Andam akong moalagad kaninyo

I don't think she is the best person to contact right now for a tour of Carcar. That would be the Carcar Heritage Foundation.. You need to contact Val SAndiego and Jerry Noel Alfafara.

Now for a tour of old Cebu, well Arnold Carl, are you game? :lol:


Sir Jo advertise sad ko ha...

Usa ako ka Accredeted tourguide..

Ug Andam akong moalagad kaninyo

^^ That's cool! I have informed them and they said they/we might go there on April. Thanks! :)

^^ That's cool! I have informed them and they said they/we might go there on April. Thanks! :)

lagaw-lagaw gid ah.
i hope the cebu group could also see the beauty of iloilo.

i hope this will contribute to the exchange of knowledge among visayans in terms of local history and heritage. that it would trigger interest and encourage everyone to love and know ones local history rather than just digest the philippine history we grew up with.

we had too much glorification for bonifacio and rizal (monuments, books), its time to get to know our local folks who did their share in the so called "nation-building."

i have read somewhere about the events on the revolution in cebu.. very well written and it deserves to be published and distributed in schools.

good luck and enjoy!

lagaw-lagaw gid ah.
i hope the cebu group could also see the beauty of iloilo.

i hope this will contribute to the exchange of knowledge among visayans in terms of local history and heritage. that it would trigger interest and encourage everyone to love and know ones local history rather than just digest the philippine history we grew up with.

we had too much glorification for bonifacio and rizal (monuments, books), its time to get to know our local folks who did their share in the so called "nation-building."

i have read somewhere about the events on the revolution in cebu.. very well written and it deserves to be published and distributed in schools.

good luck and enjoy!

i got myself a copy of The Koga Papers by Col. Segura...a really interesting read, perfect for a Hollywood-war movie, IMO (paging Bigfoot... :) )

i got myself a copy of The Koga Papers by Col. Segura...a really interesting read, perfect for a Hollywood-war movie, IMO (paging Bigfoot... :) )

Cebu City prepares to manage San Pedro

IN a memo issued before leaving for Bacolod City yesterday, Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmeña ordered the creation of an interim management body that will draft guidelines in operating Fort San Pedro and Plaza Independencia.

He designated Vice Mayor Michael Rama as “overall overseer” of the plaza and the fort, a heritage site.

Built in the 15th century, Fort San Pedro is considered one of the most well-preserved forts in the country. Hundreds of foreign and local tourists visit the place every day.

The triangular fort is also the smallest and the oldest fort in the Philippines, constructed earlier than the Intramuros in Manila.

Last Jan. 31, the Philippine Tourism Authority (PTA) formally turned over the facility to Rama, City Administrator Francisco Fernandez and city councilors in a ceremony at the Cebu City Hall.

“There is a need to formulate sound policies in the operation of heritage sites, particularly Fort San Pedro,” the mayor said in issuing Executive Order 08-07, dated Feb. 20.

Rama said the order validated the already-created body headed by former city councilor Manuel Legaspi, a City Historical Affairs Commission member.

He said they have to confront several matters, such as clearing a portion where stalls “cover the elegance of the plaza.”

Rama said he spoke with University of Cebu owner Augusto Go yesterday morning and was promised that the school could tap its Civic Welfare Training Service cadets to help maintain the plaza and fort’s cleanliness.

Cebu City prepares to manage San Pedro

IN a memo issued before leaving for Bacolod City yesterday, Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmeña ordered the creation of an interim management body that will draft guidelines in operating Fort San Pedro and Plaza Independencia.

He designated Vice Mayor Michael Rama as “overall overseer” of the plaza and the fort, a heritage site.

Built in the 15th century, Fort San Pedro is considered one of the most well-preserved forts in the country. Hundreds of foreign and local tourists visit the place every day.

The triangular fort is also the smallest and the oldest fort in the Philippines, constructed earlier than the Intramuros in Manila.

Last Jan. 31, the Philippine Tourism Authority (PTA) formally turned over the facility to Rama, City Administrator Francisco Fernandez and city councilors in a ceremony at the Cebu City Hall.

“There is a need to formulate sound policies in the operation of heritage sites, particularly Fort San Pedro,” the mayor said in issuing Executive Order 08-07, dated Feb. 20.

Rama said the order validated the already-created body headed by former city councilor Manuel Legaspi, a City Historical Affairs Commission member.

He said they have to confront several matters, such as clearing a portion where stalls “cover the elegance of the plaza.”

Rama said he spoke with University of Cebu owner Augusto Go yesterday morning and was promised that the school could tap its Civic Welfare Training Service cadets to help maintain the plaza and fort’s cleanliness.

good!!

once the subway is done, the plaza will be rehabilitated? people should learn to love parks. patyon raman tawon ang mga tanom oi and kawaton ang mga suga and iron rails. i think they should redesign the plaza yet maintain the significant historical landmarks there. plus that signage they put in front of the fort "fuerza de san pedro" is an eyesore. they can put a signage somewhere but not on the main pediments.. mura na nuon sarisari store.

good!!

once the subway is done, the plaza will be rehabilitated? people should learn to love parks. patyon raman tawon ang mga tanom oi and kawaton ang mga suga and iron rails. i think they should redesign the plaza yet maintain the significant historical landmarks there. plus that signage they put in front of the fort "fuerza de san pedro" is an eyesore. they can put a signage somewhere but not on the main pediments.. mura na nuon sarisari store.

^^

Surely it will be..

Anyway...

My almost 80 yr old uncle said that the original location of the church of Bogo was at the Plaza where there's a fountain now that looks like Fuente Osmeña.

I think this is logical because the old municipal hall was also once located near this plaza. This old municipal hall is now occupied by a utility firm (Bogo water).

^^

Surely it will be..

Anyway...

My almost 80 yr old uncle said that the original location of the church of Bogo was at the Plaza where there's a fountain now that looks like Fuente Osmeña.

I think this is logical because the old municipal hall was also once located near this plaza. This old municipal hall is now occupied by a utility firm (Bogo water).

Mga bai,

The local heritage council of Iloilo City has already made a tentative schedule for their tour at Cebu (particularly in Carcar) by April 6-12 or beyond that. I think they have contacted Mr. Jerry Alfafara but I'm not so sure.

Mga bai,

The local heritage council of Iloilo City has already made a tentative schedule for their tour at Cebu (particularly in Carcar) by April 6-12 or beyond that. I think they have contacted Mr. Jerry Alfafara but I'm not so sure.

arnold,
so it was demolished and transferred?

bernie,
hope you guys will have a fun time.. iloilo has grander houses and old buildings but cebu also has its own charm. also the ceilings and retablos of the south cebu churches are a must see since i havent noticed iloilo churches having such.

halong kag enjoy!

arnold,
so it was demolished and transferred?

bernie,
hope you guys will have a fun time.. iloilo has grander houses and old buildings but cebu also has its own charm. also the ceilings and retablos of the south cebu churches are a must see since i havent noticed iloilo churches having such.

halong kag enjoy!

Mga bai,

The local heritage council of Iloilo City has already made a tentative schedule for their tour at Cebu (particularly in Carcar) by April 6-12 or beyond that. I think they have contacted Mr. Jerry Alfafara but I'm not so sure.


that's great to hear.

Mga bai,

The local heritage council of Iloilo City has already made a tentative schedule for their tour at Cebu (particularly in Carcar) by April 6-12 or beyond that. I think they have contacted Mr. Jerry Alfafara but I'm not so sure.


that's great to hear.

arnold,
so it was demolished and transferred?

bernie,
hope you guys will have a fun time.. iloilo has grander houses and old buildings but cebu also has its own charm. also the ceilings and retablos of the south cebu churches are a must see since i havent noticed iloilo churches having such.

halong kag enjoy!


For me Cebu also has grander churches and houses but some of them go unnoticed. If we speak of Cebu heritage what comes into the minds of outsiders are only Magellans Cross and Basilica Sto. Niño..

But above all I think Bohol has the grandest churches in the Visayas and Mindanao.. Hehe..

arnold,
so it was demolished and transferred?

bernie,
hope you guys will have a fun time.. iloilo has grander houses and old buildings but cebu also has its own charm. also the ceilings and retablos of the south cebu churches are a must see since i havent noticed iloilo churches having such.

halong kag enjoy!


For me Cebu also has grander churches and houses but some of them go unnoticed. If we speak of Cebu heritage what comes into the minds of outsiders are only Magellans Cross and Basilica Sto. Niño..

But above all I think Bohol has the grandest churches in the Visayas and Mindanao.. Hehe..

arnold, i am refering to the commercial buildings and the homes of the hacienderos and businessmen which has survived the ravages of time in iloilo and are still very visible, lived in and in use (but difficult for the public to access though). not just turned into a perod lifestyle museum. but as to their churches, not that impressive to me except for their facades (miag-ao and san joaquin). and of course the lovely church of Molo as a whole is an exemption. (IMO).

korek! people who has not come to cebu only associates it with the danggit, dried mangoes and magellan's cross. hehe. sad for them.

i am with you as to bohol. a must see.

arnold, i am refering to the commercial buildings and the homes of the hacienderos and businessmen which has survived the ravages of time in iloilo and are still very visible, lived in and in use (but difficult for the public to access though). not just turned into a perod lifestyle museum. but as to their churches, not that impressive to me except for their facades (miag-ao and san joaquin). and of course the lovely church of Molo as a whole is an exemption. (IMO).

korek! people who has not come to cebu only associates it with the danggit, dried mangoes and magellan's cross. hehe. sad for them.

i am with you as to bohol. a must see.

arnold,
so it was demolished and transferred?

bernie,
hope you guys will have a fun time.. iloilo has grander houses and old buildings but cebu also has its own charm. also the ceilings and retablos of the south cebu churches are a must see since i havent noticed iloilo churches having such.

halong kag enjoy!

I hope so. :)

arnold, i am refering to the commercial buildings and the homes of the hacienderos and businessmen which has survived the ravages of time in iloilo and are still very visible, lived in an in use. not just turned into a perod lifestyle museum. but as to their churches, not that impressive to me except for their facades (miag-ao and san joaquin). and of course the lovely church of Molo as a whole is an exemption. (IMO).

korek! people who has not come to cebu only associates it with the danggit, dried mangoes and magellan's cross. hehe. sad for them.

i am with you as to bohol..

If the earthquake didn't hit Iloilo in 1948, then the churches could've still stand. Ang sala ra sa amua kay ang amo nga topograpiya. Dili man mi coral island, but a tectonic island. So moexpect mi sa mga earthquakes. If the theory states it right, if that 1948 Earthquake could've never occured, it may occur in a later time with bigger casualties (whats unique about 1948 earthquake was it made extensive damage to infrastructures but the casualty was reported as none).

Also, the revolucionarios and the "liberators" deliberately either bombed or burned the churches since they were garissons. Thats the sacrifice of being one of the largest urban areas at that time.

Anyway, Bohol and Cebu's churches are so blessed in having to be isolated from any strong tectonic activity and much of it was left untouched. What I admire the most is the body and the interior of the churches of the 2 provinces.

arnold,
so it was demolished and transferred?

bernie,
hope you guys will have a fun time.. iloilo has grander houses and old buildings but cebu also has its own charm. also the ceilings and retablos of the south cebu churches are a must see since i havent noticed iloilo churches having such.

halong kag enjoy!

I hope so. :)

arnold, i am refering to the commercial buildings and the homes of the hacienderos and businessmen which has survived the ravages of time in iloilo and are still very visible, lived in an in use. not just turned into a perod lifestyle museum. but as to their churches, not that impressive to me except for their facades (miag-ao and san joaquin). and of course the lovely church of Molo as a whole is an exemption. (IMO).

korek! people who has not come to cebu only associates it with the danggit, dried mangoes and magellan's cross. hehe. sad for them.

i am with you as to bohol..

If the earthquake didn't hit Iloilo in 1948, then the churches could've still stand. Ang sala ra sa amua kay ang amo nga topograpiya. Dili man mi coral island, but a tectonic island. So moexpect mi sa mga earthquakes. If the theory states it right, if that 1948 Earthquake could've never occured, it may occur in a later time with bigger casualties (whats unique about 1948 earthquake was it made extensive damage to infrastructures but the casualty was reported as none).

Also, the revolucionarios and the "liberators" deliberately either bombed or burned the churches since they were garissons. Thats the sacrifice of being one of the largest urban areas at that time.

Anyway, Bohol and Cebu's churches are so blessed in having to be isolated from any strong tectonic activity and much of it was left untouched. What I admire the most is the body and the interior of the churches of the 2 provinces.

A lecture on early Visayan sexual practices

A free lecture entitled “Sexual Practices of the Visayas and Southeast Asia at Spanish Contact” by Mr. Jason Verallo will be held at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu from 4 – 6 pm on March 1, 2008.

Mr. Verallo, an HR consultant and a pioneer in the call center industry, belongs to the first batch of the Graduate Certificate Course in Cebuano Heritage Studies of the University of San Carlos. He is also an accredited psychometrician and has a degree in Psychology.

This is just one from a series of lectures to be conducted by HAMBIN (Hamiling Binilin), in coordination with the Cebuano Studies Center, USC History Department and the Cathedral Museum of Cebu.

For reservations, please contact Ms. Laila Labajo of USC History Department at phone number 253-1000 local 161.

A lecture on early Visayan sexual practices

A free lecture entitled “Sexual Practices of the Visayas and Southeast Asia at Spanish Contact” by Mr. Jason Verallo will be held at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu from 4 – 6 pm on March 1, 2008.

Mr. Verallo, an HR consultant and a pioneer in the call center industry, belongs to the first batch of the Graduate Certificate Course in Cebuano Heritage Studies of the University of San Carlos. He is also an accredited psychometrician and has a degree in Psychology.

This is just one from a series of lectures to be conducted by HAMBIN (Hamiling Binilin), in coordination with the Cebuano Studies Center, USC History Department and the Cathedral Museum of Cebu.

For reservations, please contact Ms. Laila Labajo of USC History Department at phone number 253-1000 local 161.

Church and parish house of the Our Lady of the Patronage
Boljoon, Cebu

http://www.photoglobe.info/acs_cebu/imgs/cebu_acs_010.jpg

Church and parish house of the Our Lady of the Patronage
Boljoon, Cebu

http://www.photoglobe.info/acs_cebu/imgs/cebu_acs_010.jpg

is the restoration done? the loveliest church of all for me..

is the restoration done? the loveliest church of all for me..

is the restoration done? the loveliest church of all for me..

i couldnt agree more..:)

is the restoration done? the loveliest church of all for me..

i couldnt agree more..:)

^^
It may not yet be finished. Otherwise, there is something wrong with the room. :ohno:

^^
It may not yet be finished. Otherwise, there is something wrong with the room. :ohno:

^^

I'm not sure if restoration is finished already. That photo was shot in October last year.. :dunno:


Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral just a while ago....


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/cebu_cathedral_01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/cebu_cathedral_03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/cebu_cathedral_02.jpg

^^

I'm not sure if restoration is finished already. That photo was shot in October last year.. :dunno:


Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral just a while ago....


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/cebu_cathedral_01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/cebu_cathedral_03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/cebu_cathedral_02.jpg

^^
It may not yet be finished. Otherwise, there is something wrong with the room. :ohno:

you mean the roof? yup. they need to re-place all the tejas that they removed...

^^
It may not yet be finished. Otherwise, there is something wrong with the room. :ohno:

you mean the roof? yup. they need to re-place all the tejas that they removed...

@Pinoy_ako, you remember the national archives photos i took of the churches? might as well post some of them here...i hope i'm not violating any rules....

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/naalegriafacade1copy.jpg

facade of alegria church as designed by escondrillas in 1881.


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/naalegriaandplantada.jpg

lateral view and ground plan



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/alegriafacade.jpg


the trusswork

@Pinoy_ako, you remember the national archives photos i took of the churches? might as well post some of them here...i hope i'm not violating any rules....

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/naalegriafacade1copy.jpg

facade of alegria church as designed by escondrillas in 1881.


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/naalegriaandplantada.jpg

lateral view and ground plan



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/alegriafacade.jpg


the trusswork

The church of Dumanjug from the plans submitted by A. Pelayo, 1859.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/nadumanjug.jpg


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/nadumanjug2.jpg


The Casa Parroquial of Malabuyoc

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/namalamuyoc2.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/namalabuyoclow2.jpg


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/namalabuyoclowcopy.jpg

The church of Dumanjug from the plans submitted by A. Pelayo, 1859.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/nadumanjug.jpg


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/nadumanjug2.jpg


The Casa Parroquial of Malabuyoc

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/namalamuyoc2.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/namalabuyoclow2.jpg


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/namalabuyoclowcopy.jpg

Ah, yes, the accidental find. While looking for the documents on the deconsecration and destruction of the Parian Church, i found this
1833 topographic map of the pueblo of cebu. it appears to have been drawn with what looks like watercolor on card stock, complete with a description of government and ecclesiastical structures!


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/nacebucity1833.jpg

The map above was accompanied by a list of families in the six "districts" of the town including lajog (lahug), banilar (banilad), mabolo, cogon. Also accompanying this list was a long report about the parian (as far as I can decipher from a cursory look of the document) signed by Fray Julian Bermejo who, I think, was the Prior of Sto. Nino Convent (as the basilica was then called) at around this time.

:banana:

Ah, yes, the accidental find. While looking for the documents on the deconsecration and destruction of the Parian Church, i found this
1833 topographic map of the pueblo of cebu. it appears to have been drawn with what looks like watercolor on card stock, complete with a description of government and ecclesiastical structures!


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/nacebucity1833.jpg

The map above was accompanied by a list of families in the six "districts" of the town including lajog (lahug), banilar (banilad), mabolo, cogon. Also accompanying this list was a long report about the parian (as far as I can decipher from a cursory look of the document) signed by Fray Julian Bermejo who, I think, was the Prior of Sto. Nino Convent (as the basilica was then called) at around this time.

:banana:

^^

wow.. I like the plans for the Alegria Church.. :banana:

how about the cathedral? :D

Thanks, please keep on posting more.. don't mind the rules.. hehehe

I tried to invite Fr. Javellana into this forum, hope he can give more insight especially about the Jesuit House.


...

^^

wow.. I like the plans for the Alegria Church.. :banana:

how about the cathedral? :D

Thanks, please keep on posting more.. don't mind the rules.. hehehe

I tried to invite Fr. Javellana into this forum, hope he can give more insight especially about the Jesuit House.


...

@archaeologue

Re: the old map of Cebu. That portion where there seems to be a lake, what area is that now in present day Cebu City? Is the lake still there?

Lemme guess, the pink shaded area is the place for the Spaniards right?



...

@archaeologue

Re: the old map of Cebu. That portion where there seems to be a lake, what area is that now in present day Cebu City? Is the lake still there?

Lemme guess, the pink shaded area is the place for the Spaniards right?



...

Here is Fr. Rene Javellana's reply to my email regarding the Jesuit House of 1730 or 1750:



Thank you for your email and your questions. See
answer below.

I have also asked that myself if the house is a 1750
or 1730.

1. I have opted for the 1730 interpretation because if
you look closely at the stroke on the manuscript you
sent, the stroke for "5" descends downward (see PHOTO 1). While the
is no clear descending stroke for the number in the
Jesuit House at Parian.

2. I also opted for the 1930 interpretation relying on
the expertise of Fr. William Repetti SJ. He was the
archivist of Jesuits in the Philippines before the
war. While was trained as a professional scientist, he
was also an archivist and in later career returned to
the US where he was connected with Georgetown
University where he was also archivist. Fr. Repetti's
pioneering work on the history of the Jesuits in the
Philippines was used by Fr. Horacio de la Costa in his
definitive history.

Fr. Repetti published a collection of photographs of
Jesuit buildings in the Philippines before the war.

Relying then on such an authority, who knew about the
building before the 2nd World War, when the building
was in a better condition, I think that the 1730 date
is the preferred interpretation.

Beneath the date you will note a concave shape.
Repetti has no interpretation for it, my opinion is
that it represents a crescent moon, symbol of the
Virgin Mary (see PHOTO 2). This device was used in some versions of
the Jesuit coat of arms. The tilde mark over the ñ
is in the 18th century style.

Whether the house was built in 1730 or 1750 places it
with what is known as the Jesuit Pre-suppression
period. Because there are very few Jesuit structures
built between 1581 when they arrived in the
Philippines and 1768 when they were expelled, the
Parian house is a precious piece of heritage.

If you can convince the owners and get members of the
Cebu Heritage Council in which Madam Melva Nava of
USC's college of architecture is a member and Joy
Onazawa a heritage advocate to support the move, you
will be doing Cebu (and the Philippines) a great
service. Perhaps, you can get people interested in
asking NHI to give the house a historical plaque. This
could protect the house.

Many countries are discovering the importance of
heritage not just for nationalistic or cultural
reasons but also for economic. Fidel Castro's Cuba has
been actively restoring its historic district to
attract tourist dollars. Vietnam has Hoi An a port
city. Laos is looking at Luang Prabang. And Macao
which has just one street of Portuguese colonial
buildings has been pushing this heritage for tourist
dollars.

What is needed with the Parian house is an adaptive
reuse plan. Its location near the Cathedral might make
it viable for cultural events, even for wedding
receptions once all the cement in the grounds is
removed and the lot landscape.

Part of the house can be a museum of the Parian and
accentuate the role of the Chinese in the building of
Cebu. Maybe the Chinese taipans can be encouraged to
support the restoration of the house.

Rene J



Photo 1

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9316/lnumberingzd1.jpg



Photo 2

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Houses/jesuit_house/medallion02.jpg

Here is Fr. Rene Javellana's reply to my email regarding the Jesuit House of 1730 or 1750:



Thank you for your email and your questions. See
answer below.

I have also asked that myself if the house is a 1750
or 1730.

1. I have opted for the 1730 interpretation because if
you look closely at the stroke on the manuscript you
sent, the stroke for "5" descends downward (see PHOTO 1). While the
is no clear descending stroke for the number in the
Jesuit House at Parian.

2. I also opted for the 1930 interpretation relying on
the expertise of Fr. William Repetti SJ. He was the
archivist of Jesuits in the Philippines before the
war. While was trained as a professional scientist, he
was also an archivist and in later career returned to
the US where he was connected with Georgetown
University where he was also archivist. Fr. Repetti's
pioneering work on the history of the Jesuits in the
Philippines was used by Fr. Horacio de la Costa in his
definitive history.

Fr. Repetti published a collection of photographs of
Jesuit buildings in the Philippines before the war.

Relying then on such an authority, who knew about the
building before the 2nd World War, when the building
was in a better condition, I think that the 1730 date
is the preferred interpretation.

Beneath the date you will note a concave shape.
Repetti has no interpretation for it, my opinion is
that it represents a crescent moon, symbol of the
Virgin Mary (see PHOTO 2). This device was used in some versions of
the Jesuit coat of arms. The tilde mark over the ñ
is in the 18th century style.

Whether the house was built in 1730 or 1750 places it
with what is known as the Jesuit Pre-suppression
period. Because there are very few Jesuit structures
built between 1581 when they arrived in the
Philippines and 1768 when they were expelled, the
Parian house is a precious piece of heritage.

If you can convince the owners and get members of the
Cebu Heritage Council in which Madam Melva Nava of
USC's college of architecture is a member and Joy
Onazawa a heritage advocate to support the move, you
will be doing Cebu (and the Philippines) a great
service. Perhaps, you can get people interested in
asking NHI to give the house a historical plaque. This
could protect the house.

Many countries are discovering the importance of
heritage not just for nationalistic or cultural
reasons but also for economic. Fidel Castro's Cuba has
been actively restoring its historic district to
attract tourist dollars. Vietnam has Hoi An a port
city. Laos is looking at Luang Prabang. And Macao
which has just one street of Portuguese colonial
buildings has been pushing this heritage for tourist
dollars.

What is needed with the Parian house is an adaptive
reuse plan. Its location near the Cathedral might make
it viable for cultural events, even for wedding
receptions once all the cement in the grounds is
removed and the lot landscape.

Part of the house can be a museum of the Parian and
accentuate the role of the Chinese in the building of
Cebu. Maybe the Chinese taipans can be encouraged to
support the restoration of the house.

Rene J



Photo 1

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9316/lnumberingzd1.jpg



Photo 2

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Houses/jesuit_house/medallion02.jpg

@archeologue: wow, so there was some kind of lake just outside downtown...where was it located?

@archeologue: wow, so there was some kind of lake just outside downtown...where was it located?

@Pinoy_ako, you remember the national archives photos i took of the churches? might as well post some of them here...i hope i'm not violating any rules....


Yes, I don't think you are violating any rules. Foreigners are even publishing the contents of the documents.

@Pinoy_ako, you remember the national archives photos i took of the churches? might as well post some of them here...i hope i'm not violating any rules....


Yes, I don't think you are violating any rules. Foreigners are even publishing the contents of the documents.

Regarding posting archives in public, will there be any violation regarding it? Especially coming from the National Archives itself?

Regarding posting archives in public, will there be any violation regarding it? Especially coming from the National Archives itself?

Regarding posting archives in public, will there be any violation regarding it? Especially coming from the National Archives itself?

I know some "sensitive" matters may not be posted, but these are restricted even to the researchers. Personal files which are less than 50 years are also restricted.

Some archives are also reluctant to even photocopy teir listing.

Spanish archives are beginning to digitize their holdings, which can be accessed by the public. A number of these documents are duplicates, or deal with topics related to the Philippines.

A number of documents have already been published in print. So if ever there are restrictions, they should have already been addressed.

Well, opinion ko lang :)

Regarding posting archives in public, will there be any violation regarding it? Especially coming from the National Archives itself?

I know some "sensitive" matters may not be posted, but these are restricted even to the researchers. Personal files which are less than 50 years are also restricted.

Some archives are also reluctant to even photocopy teir listing.

Spanish archives are beginning to digitize their holdings, which can be accessed by the public. A number of these documents are duplicates, or deal with topics related to the Philippines.

A number of documents have already been published in print. So if ever there are restrictions, they should have already been addressed.

Well, opinion ko lang :)

^^ I see. I just have this experience with Nat'l Archives before that they only allow graduate students and researchers and not undergrads.

Good thing that most of the public documents during the American Colonial Era is at the National Library, on a microfilm yet photocopy of other tangibe original documents are restricted. One thing I know is because photocopying may further damage the the print and paper itself.

^^ I see. I just have this experience with Nat'l Archives before that they only allow graduate students and researchers and not undergrads.

Good thing that most of the public documents during the American Colonial Era is at the National Library, on a microfilm yet photocopy of other tangibe original documents are restricted. One thing I know is because photocopying may further damage the the print and paper itself.

you mean the roof? yup. they need to re-place all the tejas that they removed...


which tejas? the ones on the convent entrance part?

you mean the roof? yup. they need to re-place all the tejas that they removed...


which tejas? the ones on the convent entrance part?

@archaeologue

Re: the old map of Cebu. That portion where there seems to be a lake, what area is that now in present day Cebu City? Is the lake still there?

Lemme guess, the pink shaded area is the place for the Spaniards right?



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I don't think it's a lake...it's more like a flood basin...something that fills with water when it rains but not so deep...jus a low lying area that forms a pond tingali...and i think this is somewhere to the north, between Magallanes and Colon...the remnant of this would be the estero behind Gaisano Main.

@archaeologue

Re: the old map of Cebu. That portion where there seems to be a lake, what area is that now in present day Cebu City? Is the lake still there?

Lemme guess, the pink shaded area is the place for the Spaniards right?



...


I don't think it's a lake...it's more like a flood basin...something that fills with water when it rains but not so deep...jus a low lying area that forms a pond tingali...and i think this is somewhere to the north, between Magallanes and Colon...the remnant of this would be the estero behind Gaisano Main.

which tejas? the ones on the convent entrance part?

nope..the entire church roof is or was tejado (tiled) before it was rehabilitated (i think that is the correct conservation term, not restored) last year. the red tejas are actually on the ground where the campo santo is located, as shown in the photos below:



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/tejado3.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/tejado1.jpg

which tejas? the ones on the convent entrance part?

nope..the entire church roof is or was tejado (tiled) before it was rehabilitated (i think that is the correct conservation term, not restored) last year. the red tejas are actually on the ground where the campo santo is located, as shown in the photos below:



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/tejado3.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/tejado1.jpg

I know some "sensitive" matters may not be posted, but these are restricted even to the researchers. Personal files which are less than 50 years are also restricted.

Some archives are also reluctant to even photocopy teir listing.

Spanish archives are beginning to digitize their holdings, which can be accessed by the public. A number of these documents are duplicates, or deal with topics related to the Philippines.

A number of documents have already been published in print. So if ever there are restrictions, they should have already been addressed.

Well, opinion ko lang :)


I completely agree...

I know some "sensitive" matters may not be posted, but these are restricted even to the researchers. Personal files which are less than 50 years are also restricted.

Some archives are also reluctant to even photocopy teir listing.

Spanish archives are beginning to digitize their holdings, which can be accessed by the public. A number of these documents are duplicates, or deal with topics related to the Philippines.

A number of documents have already been published in print. So if ever there are restrictions, they should have already been addressed.

Well, opinion ko lang :)


I completely agree...

@archaeologue



Lemme guess, the pink shaded area is the place for the Spaniards right?



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Yes, you're right.

The map is part of a thick set of documents proposing the transfer of ecclesiastical jursidication of Parian and Lutao to the Cathedral in 1833, signed by Fray Julian Bermejo. This is part of the supporting documents to show why the Parian Church should be deconsecrated and destroyed. The truth, of course, is that the rich did not go to the Cathedral----which was terribly dilapidated and was always needing funds.

The rich heard Mass, instead, at the Parian Church. The only way to stop this was to close the Parian Church for good...which was eventually granted by the King of Spain after a long-drawn court case in the Real Audiencia.

@archaeologue



Lemme guess, the pink shaded area is the place for the Spaniards right?



...


Yes, you're right.

The map is part of a thick set of documents proposing the transfer of ecclesiastical jursidication of Parian and Lutao to the Cathedral in 1833, signed by Fray Julian Bermejo. This is part of the supporting documents to show why the Parian Church should be deconsecrated and destroyed. The truth, of course, is that the rich did not go to the Cathedral----which was terribly dilapidated and was always needing funds.

The rich heard Mass, instead, at the Parian Church. The only way to stop this was to close the Parian Church for good...which was eventually granted by the King of Spain after a long-drawn court case in the Real Audiencia.

The Casa Tribunal of Opon as proposed around the 1890s...I think this was really built and according to a friend it probably still stands near the Muelle Osmena:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/oponmunicipio1.jpg





The Casa Consistorial of Cebu (section from a very long, folded plan):


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/oponmunicipio2.jpg

The Casa Tribunal of Opon as proposed around the 1890s...I think this was really built and according to a friend it probably still stands near the Muelle Osmena:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/oponmunicipio1.jpg





The Casa Consistorial of Cebu (section from a very long, folded plan):


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/oponmunicipio2.jpg

^^

wow.. I like the plans for the Alegria Church.. :banana:

how about the cathedral? :D

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Unfortunately, there are as yet no documents concerning the Cathedral.

But hope springs eternal. In 1999, when I last went to the National Archives, there were as yet no public works (obras publicas) documents on Cebu. See what 10 years of archiving can do? So, hopefully, in 10 years, the Cathedral documents, if they do exist, will finally see the light of day and the inquisitive eyes of the indefatigable researcher.

:banana:

^^

wow.. I like the plans for the Alegria Church.. :banana:

how about the cathedral? :D

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Unfortunately, there are as yet no documents concerning the Cathedral.

But hope springs eternal. In 1999, when I last went to the National Archives, there were as yet no public works (obras publicas) documents on Cebu. See what 10 years of archiving can do? So, hopefully, in 10 years, the Cathedral documents, if they do exist, will finally see the light of day and the inquisitive eyes of the indefatigable researcher.

:banana:

I don't think it's a lake...it's more like a flood basin...something that fills with water when it rains but not so deep...jus a low lying area that forms a pond tingali...and i think this is somewhere to the north, between Magallanes and Colon...the remnant of this would be the estero behind Gaisano Main.

it could be a marshland.

I don't think it's a lake...it's more like a flood basin...something that fills with water when it rains but not so deep...jus a low lying area that forms a pond tingali...and i think this is somewhere to the north, between Magallanes and Colon...the remnant of this would be the estero behind Gaisano Main.

it could be a marshland.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/2299888119_3143c25f62_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2393/2300680832_17d4dda271_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/2299888119_3143c25f62_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2393/2300680832_17d4dda271_o.jpg

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Unfortunately, there are as yet no documents concerning the Cathedral.

But hope springs eternal. In 1999, when I last went to the National Archives, there were as yet no public works (obras publicas) documents on Cebu. See what 10 years of archiving can do? So, hopefully, in 10 years, the Cathedral documents, if they do exist, will finally see the light of day and the inquisitive eyes of the indefatigable researcher.

:banana:

There are short texts regarding the Cebu Cathedral. In Manila, the cathedral plans are with the Archdiocesan Archive of Manila. Since Cebu was a diocese then, most of the documents would have been in the Cebu Cathedral, but unfortunately . . . .

Unfortunately, there are as yet no documents concerning the Cathedral.

But hope springs eternal. In 1999, when I last went to the National Archives, there were as yet no public works (obras publicas) documents on Cebu. See what 10 years of archiving can do? So, hopefully, in 10 years, the Cathedral documents, if they do exist, will finally see the light of day and the inquisitive eyes of the indefatigable researcher.

:banana:

There are short texts regarding the Cebu Cathedral. In Manila, the cathedral plans are with the Archdiocesan Archive of Manila. Since Cebu was a diocese then, most of the documents would have been in the Cebu Cathedral, but unfortunately . . . .

.... the USAFEE forces bombed the Arzobispado across the cathedral but wasn't Manila heavily bombed too? It's fortunate that the cathedral plans (Manila) are still there...




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.... the USAFEE forces bombed the Arzobispado across the cathedral but wasn't Manila heavily bombed too? It's fortunate that the cathedral plans (Manila) are still there...




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. . . since a significant portion of the Archdiocesan Archives of Manila (AAM) survived the bombings. I think the Villa San Miguel was made prior to the war and portions of the archives may have been kept there, or just like the National Archives, these documents were always being moved.

Although only San Agustin and the Intendencia Building survived the bombings in Intramuros, a number of things still survived the war. Besides the AAM, the silver altar artifacts of the Cathedral or the Arzobispado de Manila also survived. I also think the great monstrance of the Archdiocese, which might date back to the time of Governor-General Corcuera, also survived! In addition, the vaults of Santo Domingo also saved a number of significant religious items, including the La Naval image and around 9 other ivory images, including, argueably, the finest ivory pieces from Intramuros. There are a few others historically significant items, including the Sacred Heart carved by Jose Rizal, which was given to the Jesuits.

With regards to the Jesuits, look at this photo

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/858/090qj0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

. . . since a significant portion of the Archdiocesan Archives of Manila (AAM) survived the bombings. I think the Villa San Miguel was made prior to the war and portions of the archives may have been kept there, or just like the National Archives, these documents were always being moved.

Although only San Agustin and the Intendencia Building survived the bombings in Intramuros, a number of things still survived the war. Besides the AAM, the silver altar artifacts of the Cathedral or the Arzobispado de Manila also survived. I also think the great monstrance of the Archdiocese, which might date back to the time of Governor-General Corcuera, also survived! In addition, the vaults of Santo Domingo also saved a number of significant religious items, including the La Naval image and around 9 other ivory images, including, argueably, the finest ivory pieces from Intramuros. There are a few others historically significant items, including the Sacred Heart carved by Jose Rizal, which was given to the Jesuits.

With regards to the Jesuits, look at this photo

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/858/090qj0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nope..the entire church roof is or was tejado (tiled) before it was rehabilitated (i think that is the correct conservation term, not restored) last year. the red tejas are actually on the ground where the campo santo is located, as shown in the photos below:



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/tejado3.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/tejado1.jpg

but these tiles are to be reinstalled? or like what happened to baclayon which were obviously replaced with coloroof sheets.

nope..the entire church roof is or was tejado (tiled) before it was rehabilitated (i think that is the correct conservation term, not restored) last year. the red tejas are actually on the ground where the campo santo is located, as shown in the photos below:



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/tejado3.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/tejado1.jpg

but these tiles are to be reinstalled? or like what happened to baclayon which were obviously replaced with coloroof sheets.

^^

Maybe they're going to install new tiles just like the one in the belltower? I'm not sure also if the tiles in the belltower are new (though they look new, hehe)..



@Pinoy_ako

The date inscribed in the medallion is really intriguing if we compare it with that snapshot of the document showing an example of how the numbers "5" and "3" were executed. However, I think a thorough study about it should still be pursued. This is quite interesting and I hope an NHI marker would be underway..

Why don't we do it ourselves guys with the consent of the owners of course? I think they are amenable to it.. Hehe..


The plaque/medallion bearing the disputed date is found inside the main house.. It seems like there's another plaque/medallion (photo below) near the "original" entrance at the ground floor. If this plaque bears a date then this would play a key to the mystery, hehe..

(photo from channel news asia)
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8876/phpec5tz0tu1.jpg

^^

Maybe they're going to install new tiles just like the one in the belltower? I'm not sure also if the tiles in the belltower are new (though they look new, hehe)..



@Pinoy_ako

The date inscribed in the medallion is really intriguing if we compare it with that snapshot of the document showing an example of how the numbers "5" and "3" were executed. However, I think a thorough study about it should still be pursued. This is quite interesting and I hope an NHI marker would be underway..

Why don't we do it ourselves guys with the consent of the owners of course? I think they are amenable to it.. Hehe..


The plaque/medallion bearing the disputed date is found inside the main house.. It seems like there's another plaque/medallion (photo below) near the "original" entrance at the ground floor. If this plaque bears a date then this would play a key to the mystery, hehe..

(photo from channel news asia)
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8876/phpec5tz0tu1.jpg

Cebu Cathedral a while ago, arrival of pilgrim image of the Immaculate Heart of Mary...




Motorcade to the cathedral

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm01.jpg




Start of mass

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm13.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm04.jpg




Lamp at balcony

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm05.jpg




Statue of St. Peter

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm06.jpg




View of the choirloft and the pipe organ built by the Diego Cerra Organ builders

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm07.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm12.jpg




View of the main altar with the baldachino; the throne of the cardinal was once located underneath this baldachino

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm08.jpg




Throne of the archbishop

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm10.jpg




The altar

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm11.jpg

Cebu Cathedral a while ago, arrival of pilgrim image of the Immaculate Heart of Mary...




Motorcade to the cathedral

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm01.jpg




Start of mass

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm13.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm04.jpg




Lamp at balcony

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm05.jpg




Statue of St. Peter

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm06.jpg




View of the choirloft and the pipe organ built by the Diego Cerra Organ builders

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm07.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm12.jpg




View of the main altar with the baldachino; the throne of the cardinal was once located underneath this baldachino

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm08.jpg




Throne of the archbishop

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm10.jpg




The altar

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/Wordpress/Old_Churches/Cathedral/ihm11.jpg

but these tiles are to be reinstalled? or like what happened to baclayon which were obviously replaced with coloroof sheets.

since the church is a National Cultural Treasure, these tiles will have to be put back where they belonged originally. which explains why some of them are piled together---i assume there is some sense of order to the re-installation of the tiles.

there are two cooperatives that are also busy making additional roof and floor tiles to replace those that can no longer be reinstalled. many of these are bound by some of the 100 or so bags of cement that were used during the 1970-71 (?) restoration when the roof started to leak. Imagine the weight of the cement!

as regards Baclayon, i do not recall that it still had roof tiles when the wave of restoration and rehabilitation began in the 1970s...i though the roof was rusted tin or g.i. sheets. the roof tiles were probably removed much earlier and no traces of them could be found. otherwise they would have been put back....or i could be wrong. :bash:

but these tiles are to be reinstalled? or like what happened to baclayon which were obviously replaced with coloroof sheets.

since the church is a National Cultural Treasure, these tiles will have to be put back where they belonged originally. which explains why some of them are piled together---i assume there is some sense of order to the re-installation of the tiles.

there are two cooperatives that are also busy making additional roof and floor tiles to replace those that can no longer be reinstalled. many of these are bound by some of the 100 or so bags of cement that were used during the 1970-71 (?) restoration when the roof started to leak. Imagine the weight of the cement!

as regards Baclayon, i do not recall that it still had roof tiles when the wave of restoration and rehabilitation began in the 1970s...i though the roof was rusted tin or g.i. sheets. the roof tiles were probably removed much earlier and no traces of them could be found. otherwise they would have been put back....or i could be wrong. :bash:

^^

The plaque/medallion bearing the disputed date is found inside the main house.. It seems like there's another plaque/medallion (photo below) near the "original" entrance at the ground floor. If this plaque bears a date then this would play a key to the mystery, hehe..

(photo from channel news asia)
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8876/phpec5tz0tu1.jpg

LordCarnal,

It would be nice to see the inscription on th medallion, whatever it is.

^^

The plaque/medallion bearing the disputed date is found inside the main house.. It seems like there's another plaque/medallion (photo below) near the "original" entrance at the ground floor. If this plaque bears a date then this would play a key to the mystery, hehe..

(photo from channel news asia)
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8876/phpec5tz0tu1.jpg

LordCarnal,

It would be nice to see the inscription on th medallion, whatever it is.

since the church is a National Cultural Treasure, these tiles will have to be put back where they belonged originally. which explains why some of them are piled together---i assume there is some sense of order to the re-installation of the tiles.

there are two cooperatives that are also busy making additional roof and floor tiles to replace those that can no longer be reinstalled. many of these are bound by some of the 100 or so bags of cement that were used during the 1970-71 (?) restoration when the roof started to leak. Imagine the weight of the cement!

as regards Baclayon, i do not recall that it still had roof tiles when the wave of restoration and rehabilitation began in the 1970s...i though the roof was rusted tin or g.i. sheets. the roof tiles were probably removed much earlier and no traces of them could be found. otherwise they would have been put back....or i could be wrong. :bash:


The first time I went to Baclayon in 1996, I have observed that the roof (which I guess was newly installed that time) is kind of pre-molded G.I. sheets.. Dunno if this is the correct term, hehehe.. nag buot2x lang ko..

Basta kana bitaw uso nowadays among houses??.. Those metal sheets that are molded to look like tiles like the one installed at the Carcar Dispensary? Hehe...



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since the church is a National Cultural Treasure, these tiles will have to be put back where they belonged originally. which explains why some of them are piled together---i assume there is some sense of order to the re-installation of the tiles.

there are two cooperatives that are also busy making additional roof and floor tiles to replace those that can no longer be reinstalled. many of these are bound by some of the 100 or so bags of cement that were used during the 1970-71 (?) restoration when the roof started to leak. Imagine the weight of the cement!

as regards Baclayon, i do not recall that it still had roof tiles when the wave of restoration and rehabilitation began in the 1970s...i though the roof was rusted tin or g.i. sheets. the roof tiles were probably removed much earlier and no traces of them could be found. otherwise they would have been put back....or i could be wrong. :bash:


The first time I went to Baclayon in 1996, I have observed that the roof (which I guess was newly installed that time) is kind of pre-molded G.I. sheets.. Dunno if this is the correct term, hehehe.. nag buot2x lang ko..

Basta kana bitaw uso nowadays among houses??.. Those metal sheets that are molded to look like tiles like the one installed at the Carcar Dispensary? Hehe...



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^^ By the way, when specifically was the GI or galvanized iron sheets started to be used at houses or any establishment?

^^ By the way, when specifically was the GI or galvanized iron sheets started to be used at houses or any establishment?

^^^^

Zinc and galvanized iron were used widely after the 1863 earthquake, at least in Manila. Some accounts mentioned that whenever there were earthquakes, clay tiles rain around the houses. Many casualties of those times were due to the weight of the clay tiles collapsing on the inhabitants of the houses. I know that there was a Superior Decree sometime in the 1880s calling for the use of zinc, at least in Manila, for the reconstruction of houses.

^^^^

Zinc and galvanized iron were used widely after the 1863 earthquake, at least in Manila. Some accounts mentioned that whenever there were earthquakes, clay tiles rain around the houses. Many casualties of those times were due to the weight of the clay tiles collapsing on the inhabitants of the houses. I know that there was a Superior Decree sometime in the 1880s calling for the use of zinc, at least in Manila, for the reconstruction of houses.

^^ I see. Because one of the things I find about old Cebu churches or houses are clay roof tiles or teja. One of the things why the tejas survived the wrath of time was there wasn't any major earthquake that damaged Cebu in terms of infrastructure.

We have maybe little or none left with clay tile roofs in Iloilo. Most of them are of GI sheets.

Also may I ask if during the revolt against the Spaniards, the American invasion in the Philippines and the "Liberation", was Cebu City or any town in Cebu was set in fire by either revolucionarios, guerillas or army?

^^ I see. Because one of the things I find about old Cebu churches or houses are clay roof tiles or teja. One of the things why the tejas survived the wrath of time was there wasn't any major earthquake that damaged Cebu in terms of infrastructure.

We have maybe little or none left with clay tile roofs in Iloilo. Most of them are of GI sheets.

Also may I ask if during the revolt against the Spaniards, the American invasion in the Philippines and the "Liberation", was Cebu City or any town in Cebu was set in fire by either revolucionarios, guerillas or army?

^^ By the way, when specifically was the GI or galvanized iron sheets started to be used at houses or any establishment?


The Consultative Council of Public Works issued on July 18, 1880 a set of building regulations that forbade the use of tejas on roofs. There was apparently an earthquake that year also which finally pushed the government to standardize the use of tin sheets or galvanized iron sheets.

^^ By the way, when specifically was the GI or galvanized iron sheets started to be used at houses or any establishment?


The Consultative Council of Public Works issued on July 18, 1880 a set of building regulations that forbade the use of tejas on roofs. There was apparently an earthquake that year also which finally pushed the government to standardize the use of tin sheets or galvanized iron sheets.

^^ I see. So it was during the late Spanish era that GI sheets were first used. Because most of the general public has this notion that if it is Spanish-era establishment, it should be teja and GI sheets were used during the American era.

Thanks Sir Joebers! :)

^^ I see. So it was during the late Spanish era that GI sheets were first used. Because most of the general public has this notion that if it is Spanish-era establishment, it should be teja and GI sheets were used during the American era.

Thanks Sir Joebers! :)

Also may I ask if during the revolt against the Spaniards, the American invasion in the Philippines and the "Liberation", was Cebu City or any town in Cebu was set in fire by either revolucionarios, guerillas or army?

On April 7 (four days after Tres de Abril) Spanish reinforcements arrived from IloIlo on board the cruiser Don Juan de Austria. Upon arrival, the cruiser shelled the commercial district of Cebu as well as the areas where the Katipuneros were suspected to be in hiding somewhere in the city. Thus, sections of the city lay in ruins.

The Americans tried to burn a section of Sogod, northern Cebu, sometime in 1901 to flush out the Katipuneros, but the conflagration could not be controlled so that only the church and convent (where the Americans were billeted) survived the fire.

Read Resil Mojares' The War Against the Americans 1896-1906 (Ateneo Press, 1999).


As regards the Liberation, Adm. William Halsey conducted trial bombing runs in the Philippines on Sept. 11-12, 1944. Cebu suffered badly, with its commercial sections directly hit, together with the Arzobispado and the Colegio de San Carlos, among others. This trial run actually advanced the date of the American landing from November 15 to Oct. 20, moved the landing site from Mindanao to Leyte, and gave Gen. MacArthur the reasons for Admiral Chester Nimitz to accept his proposal (which was to land in Leyte, by-passing Mindanao, on Oct. 20).

Also may I ask if during the revolt against the Spaniards, the American invasion in the Philippines and the "Liberation", was Cebu City or any town in Cebu was set in fire by either revolucionarios, guerillas or army?

On April 7 (four days after Tres de Abril) Spanish reinforcements arrived from IloIlo on board the cruiser Don Juan de Austria. Upon arrival, the cruiser shelled the commercial district of Cebu as well as the areas where the Katipuneros were suspected to be in hiding somewhere in the city. Thus, sections of the city lay in ruins.

The Americans tried to burn a section of Sogod, northern Cebu, sometime in 1901 to flush out the Katipuneros, but the conflagration could not be controlled so that only the church and convent (where the Americans were billeted) survived the fire.

Read Resil Mojares' The War Against the Americans 1896-1906 (Ateneo Press, 1999).


As regards the Liberation, Adm. William Halsey conducted trial bombing runs in the Philippines on Sept. 11-12, 1944. Cebu suffered badly, with its commercial sections directly hit, together with the Arzobispado and the Colegio de San Carlos, among others. This trial run actually advanced the date of the American landing from November 15 to Oct. 20, moved the landing site from Mindanao to Leyte, and gave Gen. MacArthur the reasons for Admiral Chester Nimitz to accept his proposal (which was to land in Leyte, by-passing Mindanao, on Oct. 20).

^^ I see. So it was during the late Spanish era that GI sheets were first used. Because most of the general public has this notion that if it is Spanish-era establishment, it should be teja and GI sheets were used during the American era.

Thanks Sir Joebers! :)

yup...very much so...and instead of using tin sheets, others resorted to nipa roofing once again...which survived earthqaukes but not the fires....depende sa maka-afford sa currogated galvanized sheets nga baga kaau.

^^ I see. So it was during the late Spanish era that GI sheets were first used. Because most of the general public has this notion that if it is Spanish-era establishment, it should be teja and GI sheets were used during the American era.

Thanks Sir Joebers! :)

yup...very much so...and instead of using tin sheets, others resorted to nipa roofing once again...which survived earthqaukes but not the fires....depende sa maka-afford sa currogated galvanized sheets nga baga kaau.

aside from the account on the novel Koga Papers, are there any other information on Flaviana 'Abiang' Ramos, i've just re-read the section about her and couldnt help but become a fan

aside from the account on the novel Koga Papers, are there any other information on Flaviana 'Abiang' Ramos, i've just re-read the section about her and couldnt help but become a fan

The Consultative Council of Public Works issued on July 18, 1880 a set of building regulations that forbade the use of tejas on roofs. There was apparently an earthquake that year also which finally pushed the government to standardize the use of tin sheets or galvanized iron sheets.

An earthquake hit Manila on July 1, 1880. The aftershocks went on for the next two months. It was during this year that San Agustin in Manila lost one of its towers.

The Consultative Council of Public Works issued on July 18, 1880 a set of building regulations that forbade the use of tejas on roofs. There was apparently an earthquake that year also which finally pushed the government to standardize the use of tin sheets or galvanized iron sheets.

An earthquake hit Manila on July 1, 1880. The aftershocks went on for the next two months. It was during this year that San Agustin in Manila lost one of its towers.

That's the Earthquake Law.. it is mentioned in the Cathedral Museum. the part where you can see the materials used in building before.. good thing the Magellan's Cross was spared. I cant imagine it on G.I. Sheets hehe.

By the way, When did they replace the basilica's roof? I see old pics probably even post war but it looks like tejas still.

Tejas were manufactured in Argao right?

That's the Earthquake Law.. it is mentioned in the Cathedral Museum. the part where you can see the materials used in building before.. good thing the Magellan's Cross was spared. I cant imagine it on G.I. Sheets hehe.

By the way, When did they replace the basilica's roof? I see old pics probably even post war but it looks like tejas still.

Tejas were manufactured in Argao right?

There used to be a fountain pala at the intersection of P. del Rosario and Jones avenue in the 1960s. I saw some photos of it in the souvenir program of the Fourth Centennial Celebration of the Christianization of Cebu.

There used to be a fountain pala at the intersection of P. del Rosario and Jones avenue in the 1960s. I saw some photos of it in the souvenir program of the Fourth Centennial Celebration of the Christianization of Cebu.

yep, there was a fountain. i saw that souvenir program at the usjr library too. the s. nino's carroza was even different and the traditonal calachuchi na tinuhog was used to decorate it.

yep, there was a fountain. i saw that souvenir program at the usjr library too. the s. nino's carroza was even different and the traditonal calachuchi na tinuhog was used to decorate it.

^^ I saw an old map of Cebu circa 1960's. That very intersection was indeed a rotunda before, although much smaller than Fuente Osmena's.

^^ I saw an old map of Cebu circa 1960's. That very intersection was indeed a rotunda before, although much smaller than Fuente Osmena's.

^^it should not have been demolished.

^^it should not have been demolished.

Ah, yes, the accidental find. While looking for the documents on the deconsecration and destruction of the Parian Church, i found this
1833 topographic map of the pueblo of cebu. it appears to have been drawn with what looks like watercolor on card stock, complete with a description of government and ecclesiastical structures!


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/nacebucity1833.jpg

:banana:


I came across this MAP

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01719.jpg

While reading
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01718.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01721.jpg

I guess its the same map that mike copy for his 1975 paper

and I am yet to go back to Sto. Niño Museum kay murag naka aling-gat sad ko ug mapa nga mura-murag hitsura pero kadali man gud ako Tourista ugma mobalik ko ako i Check

Ah, yes, the accidental find. While looking for the documents on the deconsecration and destruction of the Parian Church, i found this
1833 topographic map of the pueblo of cebu. it appears to have been drawn with what looks like watercolor on card stock, complete with a description of government and ecclesiastical structures!


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/nacebucity1833.jpg

:banana:


I came across this MAP

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01719.jpg

While reading
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01718.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01721.jpg

I guess its the same map that mike copy for his 1975 paper

and I am yet to go back to Sto. Niño Museum kay murag naka aling-gat sad ko ug mapa nga mura-murag hitsura pero kadali man gud ako Tourista ugma mobalik ko ako i Check

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01721.jpg

I guess its the same map that mike copy for his 1975 paper




I'm not sure if it is the same map. It could be. But since it is 1975, this one was probably a second copy found in the Archivo General de Indias and not the one from the National Archives or else many other researchers would have found it earlier than me.

Also, I wonder why he changed the entire look of the map (as well as the date) if this is really the one that I found. It is also clear that his map has San Nicolas in it. T

This means either of three things: 1) he may have combined two different maps; 2) this may be a different map altogether or 3) he may have made this map based on his readings of extant maps of the time as well as the documents he was working on.

By the way, it was almost easy to find this map because the whole set was already on the computerized database of the National Archives. I just did not know that it would be so informative unlike all the other maps of cebu, including the ealy 1600s map found on Mojares' "Casa Gorordo".

The best thing to do is email Mike...

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01721.jpg

I guess its the same map that mike copy for his 1975 paper




I'm not sure if it is the same map. It could be. But since it is 1975, this one was probably a second copy found in the Archivo General de Indias and not the one from the National Archives or else many other researchers would have found it earlier than me.

Also, I wonder why he changed the entire look of the map (as well as the date) if this is really the one that I found. It is also clear that his map has San Nicolas in it. T

This means either of three things: 1) he may have combined two different maps; 2) this may be a different map altogether or 3) he may have made this map based on his readings of extant maps of the time as well as the documents he was working on.

By the way, it was almost easy to find this map because the whole set was already on the computerized database of the National Archives. I just did not know that it would be so informative unlike all the other maps of cebu, including the ealy 1600s map found on Mojares' "Casa Gorordo".

The best thing to do is email Mike...

^^

The "fountain" or rotunda at the junction of p.del rosario and jones avenue was removed sometime in the 1990s i think..

I still remember it. I was in grade school when it was still there..



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^^

The "fountain" or rotunda at the junction of p.del rosario and jones avenue was removed sometime in the 1990s i think..

I still remember it. I was in grade school when it was still there..



...

^^ How does it look like? Is it similar to Fuente Osmena?

^^ How does it look like? Is it similar to Fuente Osmena?

^^ How does it look like? Is it similar to Fuente Osmena?

Nope. i distinctly remember that it was a small fountain. i'd pass by th place when i was in the elementary years studying at Kian Ke (Phil. Christian Gospel School). There was a garden around it.

I think it was removed for traffic reasons around in the late 1970s or early 80s.

And yes, I am really, really, that old!

^^ How does it look like? Is it similar to Fuente Osmena?

Nope. i distinctly remember that it was a small fountain. i'd pass by th place when i was in the elementary years studying at Kian Ke (Phil. Christian Gospel School). There was a garden around it.

I think it was removed for traffic reasons around in the late 1970s or early 80s.

And yes, I am really, really, that old!

^^ I didn't say you're old. You look young pa gani sa "Noypi" hehe!! :D

Anyway, if the rotunda was bigger like the one at Fuente Osmena, it may have spared its demise since traffic flows smoothly at rotundas.

^^ I didn't say you're old. You look young pa gani sa "Noypi" hehe!! :D

Anyway, if the rotunda was bigger like the one at Fuente Osmena, it may have spared its demise since traffic flows smoothly at rotundas.

OMG! im too young.. i never had a memory or a recall of this fountain hehehe. the fountain of the basilica has always been my all time fave.. going to the basilica during my younger years would mean seeing my favorite fountain which used to be in the front yard,now the pilgrim center...

by the way, were diggings made before the pilgrim center was built? were there artifacts recovered? where are they now?

how about those on the plaza as well before the SRP tunnel was built? i think there was but where are the artifacts now?

OMG! im too young.. i never had a memory or a recall of this fountain hehehe. the fountain of the basilica has always been my all time fave.. going to the basilica during my younger years would mean seeing my favorite fountain which used to be in the front yard,now the pilgrim center...

by the way, were diggings made before the pilgrim center was built? were there artifacts recovered? where are they now?

how about those on the plaza as well before the SRP tunnel was built? i think there was but where are the artifacts now?

Mao lagi ni kung mag hisgot ta ug recent history kay mag ka bukingang sa edad hehehe..

Basta ako pag abot nako ug cebu naa nay Gaisano Main

Mao lagi ni kung mag hisgot ta ug recent history kay mag ka bukingang sa edad hehehe..

Basta ako pag abot nako ug cebu naa nay Gaisano Main

Here is a Lay out of the Cebu Cathedral Attached to a 1780 paper..

Displayed in the Sto. Niño Museum..

Watercolor sad sya

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01723.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01724.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01725.jpg

Here is a Lay out of the Cebu Cathedral Attached to a 1780 paper..

Displayed in the Sto. Niño Museum..

Watercolor sad sya

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01723.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01724.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01725.jpg

^^ I didn't say you're old. You look young pa gani sa "Noypi" hehe!! :D

Anyway, if the rotunda was bigger like the one at Fuente Osmena, it may have spared its demise since traffic flows smoothly at rotundas.

haha...you did not get my joke...sorry.
i did not accuse you of thinking i'm old...it was a kind of punch line intended for me from me to me...for someone like me to have seen the fountain, i must be really that old...so much pun intended.

:banana:

^^ I didn't say you're old. You look young pa gani sa "Noypi" hehe!! :D

Anyway, if the rotunda was bigger like the one at Fuente Osmena, it may have spared its demise since traffic flows smoothly at rotundas.

haha...you did not get my joke...sorry.
i did not accuse you of thinking i'm old...it was a kind of punch line intended for me from me to me...for someone like me to have seen the fountain, i must be really that old...so much pun intended.

:banana:

OMG! im too young.. i never had a memory or a recall of this fountain hehehe. the fountain of the basilica has always been my all time fave.. going to the basilica during my younger years would mean seeing my favorite fountain which used to be in the front yard,now the pilgrim center...

by the way, were diggings made before the pilgrim center was built? were there artifacts recovered? where are they now?

how about those on the plaza as well before the SRP tunnel was built? i think there was but where are the artifacts now?


hahha...i was actually a grade schooler as far i can remember regarding the fountain.

anyway, funny that you asked about the pilgrim center because the thought also occurred to me last night and i did think out loud to Msgr. Carl Pono (we were out in a party in Minglanilla last night). And apparently, he too doesn't remember if there were any artifacts that were recovered.

Masao Nishimura (working on his dissertation at Univ. of Michigan) excavated the grounds of the Basilica in 1985-86. He found some burials which were suspected to be those of Augustinian friars. He also excavated San Nicolas Church, Parian Plaza, Palza Hamabar, Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral but these yielded only Chinese ceramic sherds and no burials.

Plaza Independencia was excavated twice (in 2001 and again in 2006) as part of the requirements for the construction of the subway.

let me look for some of the photos of the 2006 dig. I happened to drop by in between the research i was doing at NUS (it got so boring in Singapore that I decided to come home to Cebu and have a look-see at what my colleagues from the National Museum and from U.P. Diliman were finding.)

OMG! im too young.. i never had a memory or a recall of this fountain hehehe. the fountain of the basilica has always been my all time fave.. going to the basilica during my younger years would mean seeing my favorite fountain which used to be in the front yard,now the pilgrim center...

by the way, were diggings made before the pilgrim center was built? were there artifacts recovered? where are they now?

how about those on the plaza as well before the SRP tunnel was built? i think there was but where are the artifacts now?


hahha...i was actually a grade schooler as far i can remember regarding the fountain.

anyway, funny that you asked about the pilgrim center because the thought also occurred to me last night and i did think out loud to Msgr. Carl Pono (we were out in a party in Minglanilla last night). And apparently, he too doesn't remember if there were any artifacts that were recovered.

Masao Nishimura (working on his dissertation at Univ. of Michigan) excavated the grounds of the Basilica in 1985-86. He found some burials which were suspected to be those of Augustinian friars. He also excavated San Nicolas Church, Parian Plaza, Palza Hamabar, Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral but these yielded only Chinese ceramic sherds and no burials.

Plaza Independencia was excavated twice (in 2001 and again in 2006) as part of the requirements for the construction of the subway.

let me look for some of the photos of the 2006 dig. I happened to drop by in between the research i was doing at NUS (it got so boring in Singapore that I decided to come home to Cebu and have a look-see at what my colleagues from the National Museum and from U.P. Diliman were finding.)

^^ Sir Joebers, haha!! Age doesn't matter pud. :D

Anyway, I've stummbled upon something here in Center for West Visayan Studies in UP Iloilo the name of the wife of Humabon was Hara Humamai. Is this true?

^^ Sir Joebers, haha!! Age doesn't matter pud. :D

Anyway, I've stummbled upon something here in Center for West Visayan Studies in UP Iloilo the name of the wife of Humabon was Hara Humamai. Is this true?

Here are some of the photos shared to me by the National Museum personnel who excavated portions of Plaza Independencia that would be hit by the subway diggings:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/thesite-1.jpg

The Site.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/exhumation.jpg


Two inhumations in one 5 x 5 meter unit. The depth at this point is about 1.5 meters below present ground surface.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/flexedinhumation.jpg

Adult inhumation in flexed position.The position of the arms may indicate that this is a female. Note a small iron tool (guna or amol?) on her right pelvic region.


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/pedestalingburial.jpg

Excavation in progress. This is at a depth of about 2.4 meters below present ground surface.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/juvenileburial.jpg

A juvenile inhumation with skeletal remains severely disintegrated. Note the celadon greenware bowl and a bown stoneware teacup.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/Artifactsrecoveredsmallfile.jpg

Some of the artifacts recovered representing different time periods (pre-hispanic to American colonial)



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/vmrama.jpg

Vice Mayor Mike Rama visiting the site.

Here are some of the photos shared to me by the National Museum personnel who excavated portions of Plaza Independencia that would be hit by the subway diggings:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/thesite-1.jpg

The Site.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/exhumation.jpg


Two inhumations in one 5 x 5 meter unit. The depth at this point is about 1.5 meters below present ground surface.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/flexedinhumation.jpg

Adult inhumation in flexed position.The position of the arms may indicate that this is a female. Note a small iron tool (guna or amol?) on her right pelvic region.


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/pedestalingburial.jpg

Excavation in progress. This is at a depth of about 2.4 meters below present ground surface.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/juvenileburial.jpg

A juvenile inhumation with skeletal remains severely disintegrated. Note the celadon greenware bowl and a bown stoneware teacup.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/Artifactsrecoveredsmallfile.jpg

Some of the artifacts recovered representing different time periods (pre-hispanic to American colonial)



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/vmrama.jpg

Vice Mayor Mike Rama visiting the site.

Here is a Layout of the Cebu Cathedral Attached to a 1780 paper..

Displayed in the Sto. Niño Museum..

Watercolor sad sya


http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01725.jpg

@Ka Bino

Di ba Sto. Nino ra ang gi-sketch ani? But the map is very, very interesting indeed because it antedates the 1833 map i found. It would be good to compare what has changed in the 50 years between these two maps by comparing them. But since Cebu was a backwater port until its opening to world trade (in 1836?), I doubt if any difference will show.

I should really go to the Sto. Nino Museum

:cheers:

Here is a Layout of the Cebu Cathedral Attached to a 1780 paper..

Displayed in the Sto. Niño Museum..

Watercolor sad sya


http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/DSC01725.jpg

@Ka Bino

Di ba Sto. Nino ra ang gi-sketch ani? But the map is very, very interesting indeed because it antedates the 1833 map i found. It would be good to compare what has changed in the 50 years between these two maps by comparing them. But since Cebu was a backwater port until its opening to world trade (in 1836?), I doubt if any difference will show.

I should really go to the Sto. Nino Museum

:cheers:

@Sir Joebers. I read your article at Inquirer.

Have you seen the Ereccion del Pueblo at the National Archives? How can we gain access there since I wasn't allowed to enter there back when I was researching for my thesis for my undergraduate studies.

Thanks! :)

@Sir Joebers. I read your article at Inquirer.

Have you seen the Ereccion del Pueblo at the National Archives? How can we gain access there since I wasn't allowed to enter there back when I was researching for my thesis for my undergraduate studies.

Thanks! :)