ah ok...dili tingali related sa Gantuangcos na side sa akong lola...based on what i understand from my lola when i eavesdrop during her chats with relatives from Ormoc, they trace their ancestry from two Chinese brothers (twins?) who immigrated to Leyte, but before they could 'make big', a period came daw when the Chinese were being driven out of the country, and both brothers returned to China (although one is said to have hidden somewhere in Northern Mindanao)

^^ basin related mo bai. mao ni giingon ni concepcion briones sa iyang libro:

"... i am happy to have discovered that some of my adventurous Gantuangco ancestors married well in Leyte. This resulted in my having several Veloso relatives who must have sprung forth from Gantuangco-Veloso unions." - Concepcion Briones, Life in Old Parian, p. 25

ah ok...dili tingali related sa Gantuangcos na side sa akong lola...based on what i understand from my lola when i eavesdrop during her chats with relatives from Ormoc, they trace their ancestry from two Chinese brothers (twins?) who immigrated to Leyte, but before they could 'make big', a period came daw when the Chinese were being driven out of the country, and both brothers returned to China (although one is said to have hidden somewhere in Northern Mindanao)

^^ basin related mo bai. mao ni giingon ni concepcion briones sa iyang libro:

"... i am happy to have discovered that some of my adventurous Gantuangco ancestors married well in Leyte. This resulted in my having several Veloso relatives who must have sprung forth from Gantuangco-Veloso unions." - Concepcion Briones, Life in Old Parian, p. 25

^^ Thanks. :)

Anyway, makahilak pud ang imo nga signature ron... "Heritage Work is Hard, We will work harder." :cry: Morag mao ko nib karon: "Will your passion sustain you in your survival in this cruel world?"

^^
ordinary citizen raman gyud ko no, pero ganahan kayo ko motabang about
heritage and on the preservation and restoration.
unsaon man kaha nga makaparticipate no? are there any organizations or kanang murag movement that concerns and works on the heritage and restoration in Cebu? anyway im an architecture graduate...unsa kaha akong madalit? hehehe!:)

^^ Thanks. :)

Anyway, makahilak pud ang imo nga signature ron... "Heritage Work is Hard, We will work harder." :cry: Morag mao ko nib karon: "Will your passion sustain you in your survival in this cruel world?"

^^
ordinary citizen raman gyud ko no, pero ganahan kayo ko motabang about
heritage and on the preservation and restoration.
unsaon man kaha nga makaparticipate no? are there any organizations or kanang murag movement that concerns and works on the heritage and restoration in Cebu? anyway im an architecture graduate...unsa kaha akong madalit? hehehe!:)

nanglaba tingali? :)

but seriously, maybe the hills are eroding gold into the river beds...that is a possibility.

and if so, then gold ore is still present in Cebu despite all the massive extraction of Atlas Mining.

There's a very thin line between a treasure hunter and a heritage advocate.
When you speak gold esp like the rumors going on at Villalon property it's
usually connected to the buried loot during the WW2 by the Japanese. I estimated about a hundred or so hunters in Cebu City alone. A typical
treasure hunter considers it as a "hobby" at first then if the virus is so
strong he can get pordoy, while the heritage advocate usually knows the
historical background of what he is doing and any "hits" (finds) then it
becomes a bonus, whether he sells it for his own benefit or he will
broadcast it to the world and safekeep it in a museum is one thing
the advocates should know ... what if it's a gold bar and not pre-hispanic
artifact? Should we keep it?

Can a heritage advocate be a treasure hunter at the same time?

Have a pleasant discussion eh?

nanglaba tingali? :)

but seriously, maybe the hills are eroding gold into the river beds...that is a possibility.

and if so, then gold ore is still present in Cebu despite all the massive extraction of Atlas Mining.

There's a very thin line between a treasure hunter and a heritage advocate.
When you speak gold esp like the rumors going on at Villalon property it's
usually connected to the buried loot during the WW2 by the Japanese. I estimated about a hundred or so hunters in Cebu City alone. A typical
treasure hunter considers it as a "hobby" at first then if the virus is so
strong he can get pordoy, while the heritage advocate usually knows the
historical background of what he is doing and any "hits" (finds) then it
becomes a bonus, whether he sells it for his own benefit or he will
broadcast it to the world and safekeep it in a museum is one thing
the advocates should know ... what if it's a gold bar and not pre-hispanic
artifact? Should we keep it?

Can a heritage advocate be a treasure hunter at the same time?

Have a pleasant discussion eh?

atubangan sa museum ang mass

the museum was conceived in less than a week...

Set up now, organize later?

atubangan sa museum ang mass

the museum was conceived in less than a week...

Set up now, organize later?

There's a very thin line between a treasure hunter and a heritage advocate.

Can a heritage advocate be a treasure hunter at the same time?

Have a pleasant discussion eh?

There is absolutely no connection between heritage advocacy and treasure hunting.

Therefore, there is no such thing as a thin line between them because in the first place, no line, no matter how thin, exists between these two disprate entities as a treasure hunter and an advocate of heritage conservation.

One plunders, the other preserves.

To say that only a thin line separates the two, is to almost equate heritage advocacy with treasure hunting. I do not think that is so. People will want to preserve both the tangibles and the intangibles of the past because they feel it helps them and the future generations understand where they have been.

Treasure hunters have no such notions. They pordoy themselves looking for gold and antiques, plundering old houses, destroying baluartes (I've seen one destroyed), old Spanish-period strucures and cemeteries, etc. while looking for Japanese treasure.That is definitely not heritage at all, nor is it advocating heritage.

There's a very thin line between a treasure hunter and a heritage advocate.

Can a heritage advocate be a treasure hunter at the same time?

Have a pleasant discussion eh?

There is absolutely no connection between heritage advocacy and treasure hunting.

Therefore, there is no such thing as a thin line between them because in the first place, no line, no matter how thin, exists between these two disprate entities as a treasure hunter and an advocate of heritage conservation.

One plunders, the other preserves.

To say that only a thin line separates the two, is to almost equate heritage advocacy with treasure hunting. I do not think that is so. People will want to preserve both the tangibles and the intangibles of the past because they feel it helps them and the future generations understand where they have been.

Treasure hunters have no such notions. They pordoy themselves looking for gold and antiques, plundering old houses, destroying baluartes (I've seen one destroyed), old Spanish-period strucures and cemeteries, etc. while looking for Japanese treasure.That is definitely not heritage at all, nor is it advocating heritage.

^^
unsaon man kaha nga makaparticipate no? are there any organizations or kanang murag movement that concerns and works on the heritage and restoration in Cebu? anyway im an architecture graduate...unsa kaha akong madalit? hehehe!:)

The Cebu Provincial Committee on Sites, Relics and Structures is mulling the idea of establishing town/city-based heritage societies led by the private sector to gradually wean heritage work away from relying on government initiatives forever.

All those who attended the Heritage Caravans and Conservation Management Planning sessions that were conducted by the committee in the 47 or so towns/cities starting in late 2006 will be assisted in establishing such a society.

You may be interested in joining this later.

There is a heritage group based in cebu city called Hambin, or Hamilin Binilin (if I'm not mistaken), and one of the members is in this forum, si Ang Bantayanon. You might want to link up with this group also. But I understand these are graduates of the first batch of the Certificate in Cebuano Heritage program of USC.

^^
unsaon man kaha nga makaparticipate no? are there any organizations or kanang murag movement that concerns and works on the heritage and restoration in Cebu? anyway im an architecture graduate...unsa kaha akong madalit? hehehe!:)

The Cebu Provincial Committee on Sites, Relics and Structures is mulling the idea of establishing town/city-based heritage societies led by the private sector to gradually wean heritage work away from relying on government initiatives forever.

All those who attended the Heritage Caravans and Conservation Management Planning sessions that were conducted by the committee in the 47 or so towns/cities starting in late 2006 will be assisted in establishing such a society.

You may be interested in joining this later.

There is a heritage group based in cebu city called Hambin, or Hamilin Binilin (if I'm not mistaken), and one of the members is in this forum, si Ang Bantayanon. You might want to link up with this group also. But I understand these are graduates of the first batch of the Certificate in Cebuano Heritage program of USC.

During the public hearing today on the proposed Provincial Heritage Sites ordinance, we actually discussed a little bit of the center island and the introduced species called Indian trees (although they don't look like trees) that block the vista from Juan Luna to Funte and on to the Capitol as per the Parsons plan. Indeed, those trees and the island must go.

I read a news article written in the 1960s at Cebuano Studies Center about the boulevard and the announcement that it was named after Estefania Chiong-Veloso Osmena by the city council. This must have been changed afterwards. I wanted to write about this when I was still writing for Deja Vu (by Ybarra, remember?) after Resil and Linda.


Also, I think having those trees in the center island is quite costly to maintain. I suggest to replace it with decorative ironwork fence, painted in black with gold accents (like those ornate ironworks seen in palaces in Europe) It occupies less space & the black-gold scheme is visible to motorists at night. suggestion lang po...hehehe

Sir, i remember a related info posted here in SSC quite long ago na and it says that before, the western half is the Estefania Chiong-Veloso Osmena Ave, while the eastern half (from fuente to downtown) is Jones Avenue (this might explain why people are more used to calling it Jones ave even up to the present). Years later a law/city ordinance was passed that redefined the two broad avenues into one boulevard and named it after Sergio Osmena Sr.

During the public hearing today on the proposed Provincial Heritage Sites ordinance, we actually discussed a little bit of the center island and the introduced species called Indian trees (although they don't look like trees) that block the vista from Juan Luna to Funte and on to the Capitol as per the Parsons plan. Indeed, those trees and the island must go.

I read a news article written in the 1960s at Cebuano Studies Center about the boulevard and the announcement that it was named after Estefania Chiong-Veloso Osmena by the city council. This must have been changed afterwards. I wanted to write about this when I was still writing for Deja Vu (by Ybarra, remember?) after Resil and Linda.


Also, I think having those trees in the center island is quite costly to maintain. I suggest to replace it with decorative ironwork fence, painted in black with gold accents (like those ornate ironworks seen in palaces in Europe) It occupies less space & the black-gold scheme is visible to motorists at night. suggestion lang po...hehehe

Sir, i remember a related info posted here in SSC quite long ago na and it says that before, the western half is the Estefania Chiong-Veloso Osmena Ave, while the eastern half (from fuente to downtown) is Jones Avenue (this might explain why people are more used to calling it Jones ave even up to the present). Years later a law/city ordinance was passed that redefined the two broad avenues into one boulevard and named it after Sergio Osmena Sr.

^^

wow si Wolfranz and Cebuski78 interested pod diay ug heritage..

You guys should join the monthly lecture series (which is for free) by HAMBIN -- the group mentioned earlier by archaeologue.

Or if you want a group, we can always create a group, hehehe. Ivan Henares of the Heritage Conservation Society went here to Cebu months ago to establish a Cebu heritage group that will link up with HCS... but sorry Ivan I really don't have time as of yet (and money) to organize it. But surely there lots of dedicated people here in Cebu who could do it..

I remember someone said, "mulihok ra ang tawo kung naay sweldo...." hehehehehe...


@archaeologue

When our subdivision here in Sapangdaku was built, some vintage "bombs" were unearthed.. There are also two caves in our mountain subdivision here in Sapangdaku. I was able to enter one of them when I was small but only a few feet from the entrance.

I have also heard that this "prominent Cebuano politician" who is into treasure hunting already visited the site before, hehehehehehe....

Some people said that skeletons too were dug somewhere near the vicinity of our subdivision but they were from the communist purge daw..



//

^^

wow si Wolfranz and Cebuski78 interested pod diay ug heritage..

You guys should join the monthly lecture series (which is for free) by HAMBIN -- the group mentioned earlier by archaeologue.

Or if you want a group, we can always create a group, hehehe. Ivan Henares of the Heritage Conservation Society went here to Cebu months ago to establish a Cebu heritage group that will link up with HCS... but sorry Ivan I really don't have time as of yet (and money) to organize it. But surely there lots of dedicated people here in Cebu who could do it..

I remember someone said, "mulihok ra ang tawo kung naay sweldo...." hehehehehe...


@archaeologue

When our subdivision here in Sapangdaku was built, some vintage "bombs" were unearthed.. There are also two caves in our mountain subdivision here in Sapangdaku. I was able to enter one of them when I was small but only a few feet from the entrance.

I have also heard that this "prominent Cebuano politician" who is into treasure hunting already visited the site before, hehehehehehe....

Some people said that skeletons too were dug somewhere near the vicinity of our subdivision but they were from the communist purge daw..



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There is absolutely no connection between heritage advocacy and treasure hunting.

Therefore, there is no such thing as a thin line between them because in the first place, no line, no matter how thin, exists between these two disprate entities as a treasure hunter and an advocate of heritage conservation.

One plunders, the other preserves.

To say that only a thin line separates the two, is to almost equate heritage advocacy with treasure hunting. I do not think that is so. People will want to preserve both the tangibles and the intangibles of the past because they feel it helps them and the future generations understand where they have been.

Treasure hunters have no such notions. They pordoy themselves looking for gold and antiques, plundering old houses, destroying baluartes (I've seen one destroyed), old Spanish-period strucures and cemeteries, etc. while looking for Japanese treasure.That is definitely not heritage at all, nor is it advocating heritage.


Agree sir Jo..

Naay uban dire heritage advocate kunohay unya nangulekta ug plato..

Ok ra kong ang plato gikan sa ilang ginikanan...

gikan raba sa mga HUNTERS..

Kaila ka ana sir Jo..

There is absolutely no connection between heritage advocacy and treasure hunting.

Therefore, there is no such thing as a thin line between them because in the first place, no line, no matter how thin, exists between these two disprate entities as a treasure hunter and an advocate of heritage conservation.

One plunders, the other preserves.

To say that only a thin line separates the two, is to almost equate heritage advocacy with treasure hunting. I do not think that is so. People will want to preserve both the tangibles and the intangibles of the past because they feel it helps them and the future generations understand where they have been.

Treasure hunters have no such notions. They pordoy themselves looking for gold and antiques, plundering old houses, destroying baluartes (I've seen one destroyed), old Spanish-period strucures and cemeteries, etc. while looking for Japanese treasure.That is definitely not heritage at all, nor is it advocating heritage.


Agree sir Jo..

Naay uban dire heritage advocate kunohay unya nangulekta ug plato..

Ok ra kong ang plato gikan sa ilang ginikanan...

gikan raba sa mga HUNTERS..

Kaila ka ana sir Jo..

Also, I think having those trees in the center island is quite costly to maintain. I suggest to replace it with decorative ironwork fence, painted in black with gold accents (like those ornate ironworks seen in palaces in Europe) It occupies less space & the black-gold scheme is visible to motorists at night. suggestion lang po...hehehe

Sir, i remember a related info posted here in SSC quite long ago na and it says that before, the western half is the Estefania Chiong-Veloso Osmena Ave, while the eastern half (from fuente to downtown) is Jones Avenue (this might explain why people are more used to calling it Jones ave even up to the present). Years later a law/city ordinance was passed that redefined the two broad avenues into one boulevard and named it after Sergio Osmena Sr.

i agree with the uprooting of those indian trees.. and replace those ugly lampost as well. hehe. relandscape it with flowers.. damgo. hehehe

Also, I think having those trees in the center island is quite costly to maintain. I suggest to replace it with decorative ironwork fence, painted in black with gold accents (like those ornate ironworks seen in palaces in Europe) It occupies less space & the black-gold scheme is visible to motorists at night. suggestion lang po...hehehe

Sir, i remember a related info posted here in SSC quite long ago na and it says that before, the western half is the Estefania Chiong-Veloso Osmena Ave, while the eastern half (from fuente to downtown) is Jones Avenue (this might explain why people are more used to calling it Jones ave even up to the present). Years later a law/city ordinance was passed that redefined the two broad avenues into one boulevard and named it after Sergio Osmena Sr.

i agree with the uprooting of those indian trees.. and replace those ugly lampost as well. hehe. relandscape it with flowers.. damgo. hehehe

@ka BIno

umm, esep2x..

kinsa man nang nangolekta ug plato?

unsaon man pod na niya aNg plato ui? Butangan ug sud-an???


Hehehe..

Bitaw as for me, if ever I will be collecting some antiques I will see to it that I will be able to use the antique in my day to day living.. So if I have a silver set of spoon and fork dating back to the Spanish period, why display them in the cabinet if I can use them while enjoying a cheesecake?

Hehehe..


Speaking of cemeteries, my Lolo's grave was exhumed recently and his bones were transferred to a small bone chamber.. My lolo died in 1992.. I remember when he died and was embalmed just at his death bed in our ancestral house and dressed up to be transferred to the coffin, a gold ring was put on his finger. And then there was a gold pectoral cross too. Ummmmm, I wonder where it is now because I wasn't actually there when the grave was opened..


..

@ka BIno

umm, esep2x..

kinsa man nang nangolekta ug plato?

unsaon man pod na niya aNg plato ui? Butangan ug sud-an???


Hehehe..

Bitaw as for me, if ever I will be collecting some antiques I will see to it that I will be able to use the antique in my day to day living.. So if I have a silver set of spoon and fork dating back to the Spanish period, why display them in the cabinet if I can use them while enjoying a cheesecake?

Hehehe..


Speaking of cemeteries, my Lolo's grave was exhumed recently and his bones were transferred to a small bone chamber.. My lolo died in 1992.. I remember when he died and was embalmed just at his death bed in our ancestral house and dressed up to be transferred to the coffin, a gold ring was put on his finger. And then there was a gold pectoral cross too. Ummmmm, I wonder where it is now because I wasn't actually there when the grave was opened..


..

Set up now, organize later?
sakto ka bai! the city officials might already have the idea of setting up the museum but the conceptualization and implementation was done only a few days before the opening. many carcaranons did loan their precious antiques for a few days.

@arnold
will post it within the week.

Set up now, organize later?
sakto ka bai! the city officials might already have the idea of setting up the museum but the conceptualization and implementation was done only a few days before the opening. many carcaranons did loan their precious antiques for a few days.

@arnold
will post it within the week.

@ka BIno

umm, esep2x..

kinsa man nang nangolekta ug plato?

unsaon man pod na niya aNg plato ui? Butangan ug sud-an???


Hehehe..

Bitaw as for me, if ever I will be collecting some antiques I will see to it that I will be able to use the antique in my day to day living.. So if I have a silver set of spoon and fork dating back to the Spanish period, why display them in the cabinet if I can use them while enjoying a cheesecake?

Hehehe..


Speaking of cemeteries, my Lolo's grave was exhumed recently and his bones were transferred to a small bone chamber.. My lolo died in 1992.. I remember when he died and was embalmed just at his death bed in our ancestral house and dressed up to be transferred to the coffin, a gold ring was put on his finger. And then there was a gold pectoral cross too. Ummmmm, I wonder where it is now because I wasn't actually there when the grave was opened..


..

I have nothing agains collecting antiques, as long as it doesn't came from somebodies grave...

Most of the Plates in the aparador of the collector were from the graves,

@ka BIno

umm, esep2x..

kinsa man nang nangolekta ug plato?

unsaon man pod na niya aNg plato ui? Butangan ug sud-an???


Hehehe..

Bitaw as for me, if ever I will be collecting some antiques I will see to it that I will be able to use the antique in my day to day living.. So if I have a silver set of spoon and fork dating back to the Spanish period, why display them in the cabinet if I can use them while enjoying a cheesecake?

Hehehe..


Speaking of cemeteries, my Lolo's grave was exhumed recently and his bones were transferred to a small bone chamber.. My lolo died in 1992.. I remember when he died and was embalmed just at his death bed in our ancestral house and dressed up to be transferred to the coffin, a gold ring was put on his finger. And then there was a gold pectoral cross too. Ummmmm, I wonder where it is now because I wasn't actually there when the grave was opened..


..

I have nothing agains collecting antiques, as long as it doesn't came from somebodies grave...

Most of the Plates in the aparador of the collector were from the graves,

Please, if anyone is interested here, the Cebuano Heritage Study Class Batch 2 is now open for enrolment at USC.

Enrolment will be until this Saturday only. Teachers include Resil Mojares, Linda Alburo, Jojin Pascual, Melva Java, Radel Paredes, Dolly Suzara, Msgr. Rudy Villanueva, etc..

Please, if anyone is interested here, the Cebuano Heritage Study Class Batch 2 is now open for enrolment at USC.

Enrolment will be until this Saturday only. Teachers include Resil Mojares, Linda Alburo, Jojin Pascual, Melva Java, Radel Paredes, Dolly Suzara, Msgr. Rudy Villanueva, etc..

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^^

I'm confused, why are there around five blocks marked "Catedral?"

There's also a site at Plaza Independencia marked "Catedral antigua"... so it means the old cathedral was located there?

Also where can we get a copy of this book??




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^^

I'm confused, why are there around five blocks marked "Catedral?"

There's also a site at Plaza Independencia marked "Catedral antigua"... so it means the old cathedral was located there?

Also where can we get a copy of this book??




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^^

This is the censo or real estates owned by the Cathedral and Religious orders.

^^

This is the censo or real estates owned by the Cathedral and Religious orders.

^^

I'm confused, why are there around five blocks marked "Catedral?"

There's also a site at Plaza Independencia marked "Catedral antigua"... so it means the old cathedral was located there?

Also where can we get a copy of this book??




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Arnold,

The book is out of print na.. I heard that it costs a leg to buy an original because it is so expensive.. More than P10K, for a second-hand. This book is the Bible of Filipino architects.

On the other hand, if you look at old newspapers such as El Pueblo and Ang Suga which were published in the early 20th century there are certain portions of the city marked as "San Vidal" which denotes that the property belongs to the Cathedral. There are also those that are called "Santo Niño" for obvious reasons. :banana:

^^

I'm confused, why are there around five blocks marked "Catedral?"

There's also a site at Plaza Independencia marked "Catedral antigua"... so it means the old cathedral was located there?

Also where can we get a copy of this book??




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Arnold,

The book is out of print na.. I heard that it costs a leg to buy an original because it is so expensive.. More than P10K, for a second-hand. This book is the Bible of Filipino architects.

On the other hand, if you look at old newspapers such as El Pueblo and Ang Suga which were published in the early 20th century there are certain portions of the city marked as "San Vidal" which denotes that the property belongs to the Cathedral. There are also those that are called "Santo Niño" for obvious reasons. :banana:

the San Juan Bautista church reminds me of Santa Teresa de Avila church in Talisay...

and the baptistry of the Cathedral...another victim of church reform...if only they kept the old traditions of not allowing unbaptized individuals into the church structure before receiving baptism, for sure, that beautiful baptistry would be spared...

the San Juan Bautista church reminds me of Santa Teresa de Avila church in Talisay...

and the baptistry of the Cathedral...another victim of church reform...if only they kept the old traditions of not allowing unbaptized individuals into the church structure before receiving baptism, for sure, that beautiful baptistry would be spared...

There is absolutely no connection between heritage advocacy and treasure hunting. ....
....One plunders, the other preserves.

To say that only a thin line separates the two, is to almost equate heritage advocacy with treasure hunting. ....
Treasure hunters have no such notions. They pordoy themselves looking for gold and antiques, plundering old houses,....

Bai Archaelogue,

ngano nag mention ko ug "thin line" kay akong gibasihan ang usa ka well-known advocate, she even has a museum of her own plus her collection in her house, what is interesting is she also finances diggings of all kinds, WW2 tunnels or otherwise...financing a project i know is not easy especially with regards to legal requirements like permit from the National Museum/etc ... dili pa jud pasud-lan kay usually naay perimeter GI fence ang lungag, on top of that, she welcomes probable sites that are given
to her - now I call that treasure hunting.

and I hope too that this is just an isolated case and not to be taken as
a conclusion. there is no even thin line in this case.

Bai Ka_Bino,

dili ko sa imagine mo ka-on gamiton ang mga plato sa aparador sudlan
ug kan-on ug sud-an unya gikan diay sa sementeryo! yaks! he he he

Bai Ang Bantayanon,

I called up USC this afternoon, but seems nobody can explain fully what I
wanted to know, I tried calling up History Dept and So-an but wala pod...
tried calling bai archaeologue pero wa man cya sa office.

Just wanted to know the foll:
1. Is it a short course?
2. If not then what is it? Graduate studies? How many units? How long, one
two semesters?
3. Weekend classes only? or weekdays?

thanks and please give me a landline where i can call... regards

There is absolutely no connection between heritage advocacy and treasure hunting. ....
....One plunders, the other preserves.

To say that only a thin line separates the two, is to almost equate heritage advocacy with treasure hunting. ....
Treasure hunters have no such notions. They pordoy themselves looking for gold and antiques, plundering old houses,....

Bai Archaelogue,

ngano nag mention ko ug "thin line" kay akong gibasihan ang usa ka well-known advocate, she even has a museum of her own plus her collection in her house, what is interesting is she also finances diggings of all kinds, WW2 tunnels or otherwise...financing a project i know is not easy especially with regards to legal requirements like permit from the National Museum/etc ... dili pa jud pasud-lan kay usually naay perimeter GI fence ang lungag, on top of that, she welcomes probable sites that are given
to her - now I call that treasure hunting.

and I hope too that this is just an isolated case and not to be taken as
a conclusion. there is no even thin line in this case.

Bai Ka_Bino,

dili ko sa imagine mo ka-on gamiton ang mga plato sa aparador sudlan
ug kan-on ug sud-an unya gikan diay sa sementeryo! yaks! he he he

Bai Ang Bantayanon,

I called up USC this afternoon, but seems nobody can explain fully what I
wanted to know, I tried calling up History Dept and So-an but wala pod...
tried calling bai archaeologue pero wa man cya sa office.

Just wanted to know the foll:
1. Is it a short course?
2. If not then what is it? Graduate studies? How many units? How long, one
two semesters?
3. Weekend classes only? or weekdays?

thanks and please give me a landline where i can call... regards

edit

edit

was the baptistry demolished or destroyed by the war?

was the baptistry demolished or destroyed by the war?

Arnold,

The book is out of print na.. I heard that it costs a leg to buy an original because it is so expensive.. More than P10K, for a second-hand. This book is the Bible of Filipino architects.

On the other hand, if you look at old newspapers such as El Pueblo and Ang Suga which were published in the early 20th century there are certain portions of the city marked as "San Vidal" which denotes that the property belongs to the Cathedral. There are also those that are called "Santo Niño" for obvious reasons. :banana:


OKay anyway the 1699 map is very interesting because it denotes the different or original locations of the churches that we have now especially the cathedral and the basilica del sto. nino..

In the map if I'm not mistaken, the cathedral was located in the area now occupied by the parking area. If we dig on that part there then perhaps we can find something like a foundation perhaps?

Much interesting also is that the cathedral was supposed to be located at the property across the Casa Real, which is now part of Plaza Independencia..

I think this is logical with regards to the law of the indies.

The cathedral, the government house, and the Fort San Pedro with a plaza at the middle of them.


The former site of the Sto. Nino church on the other hand is located at the site where BPI is right now... Ummmm... And the entire block is also walled or fortified.

The bones of Fr. Sedeño were also interred at the main altar of the Jesuit church.. Sayang noh?

Interesting..


Below: The main altar of the Jesuit church

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/Old_Photos/san_carlos_martires01.jpg



...

Arnold,

The book is out of print na.. I heard that it costs a leg to buy an original because it is so expensive.. More than P10K, for a second-hand. This book is the Bible of Filipino architects.

On the other hand, if you look at old newspapers such as El Pueblo and Ang Suga which were published in the early 20th century there are certain portions of the city marked as "San Vidal" which denotes that the property belongs to the Cathedral. There are also those that are called "Santo Niño" for obvious reasons. :banana:


OKay anyway the 1699 map is very interesting because it denotes the different or original locations of the churches that we have now especially the cathedral and the basilica del sto. nino..

In the map if I'm not mistaken, the cathedral was located in the area now occupied by the parking area. If we dig on that part there then perhaps we can find something like a foundation perhaps?

Much interesting also is that the cathedral was supposed to be located at the property across the Casa Real, which is now part of Plaza Independencia..

I think this is logical with regards to the law of the indies.

The cathedral, the government house, and the Fort San Pedro with a plaza at the middle of them.


The former site of the Sto. Nino church on the other hand is located at the site where BPI is right now... Ummmm... And the entire block is also walled or fortified.

The bones of Fr. Sedeño were also interred at the main altar of the Jesuit church.. Sayang noh?

Interesting..


Below: The main altar of the Jesuit church

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/Old_Photos/san_carlos_martires01.jpg



...

Bai Archaelogue,

ngano nag mention ko ug "thin line" kay akong gibasihan ang usa ka well-known advocate, she even has a museum of her own plus her collection in her house, what is interesting is she also finances diggings of all kinds, WW2 tunnels or otherwise...financing a project i know is not easy especially with regards to legal requirements like permit from the National Museum/etc ... dili pa jud pasud-lan kay usually naay perimeter GI fence ang lungag, on top of that, she welcomes probable sites that are given
to her - now I call that treasure hunting.

and I hope too that this is just an isolated case and not to be taken as
a conclusion. there is no even thin line in this case.

Bai Ka_Bino,

dili ko sa imagine mo ka-on gamiton ang mga plato sa aparador sudlan
ug kan-on ug sud-an unya gikan diay sa sementeryo! yaks! he he he

Bai Ang Bantayanon,

I called up USC this afternoon, but seems nobody can explain fully what I
wanted to know, I tried calling up History Dept and So-an but wala pod...
tried calling bai archaeologue pero wa man cya sa office.

Just wanted to know the foll:
1. Is it a short course?
2. If not then what is it? Graduate studies? How many units? How long, one
two semesters?
3. Weekend classes only? or weekdays?

thanks and please give me a landline where i can call... regards

Sanvalente,

1. It is a Graduate Certificate Course which lasts for two semesters and one summer. You will have a sort of diploma when you graduate and your units will soon be credited should a Master's program for Cebuano Heritage will be offered.
2. 24 units. 3 units for every subject.
3. Two subjects will be held on a weekday. One will be done on a Saturday. All in the afternoon because this is meant for professionals.
4. Be ready with your requirements -- TOR, Birth Certificate, Honorable Dismissal, etc. Enrolment will be til Saturday only. Call 253-1000 and ask to be connected to the History Department.

Thanks.

Bai Archaelogue,

ngano nag mention ko ug "thin line" kay akong gibasihan ang usa ka well-known advocate, she even has a museum of her own plus her collection in her house, what is interesting is she also finances diggings of all kinds, WW2 tunnels or otherwise...financing a project i know is not easy especially with regards to legal requirements like permit from the National Museum/etc ... dili pa jud pasud-lan kay usually naay perimeter GI fence ang lungag, on top of that, she welcomes probable sites that are given
to her - now I call that treasure hunting.

and I hope too that this is just an isolated case and not to be taken as
a conclusion. there is no even thin line in this case.

Bai Ka_Bino,

dili ko sa imagine mo ka-on gamiton ang mga plato sa aparador sudlan
ug kan-on ug sud-an unya gikan diay sa sementeryo! yaks! he he he

Bai Ang Bantayanon,

I called up USC this afternoon, but seems nobody can explain fully what I
wanted to know, I tried calling up History Dept and So-an but wala pod...
tried calling bai archaeologue pero wa man cya sa office.

Just wanted to know the foll:
1. Is it a short course?
2. If not then what is it? Graduate studies? How many units? How long, one
two semesters?
3. Weekend classes only? or weekdays?

thanks and please give me a landline where i can call... regards

Sanvalente,

1. It is a Graduate Certificate Course which lasts for two semesters and one summer. You will have a sort of diploma when you graduate and your units will soon be credited should a Master's program for Cebuano Heritage will be offered.
2. 24 units. 3 units for every subject.
3. Two subjects will be held on a weekday. One will be done on a Saturday. All in the afternoon because this is meant for professionals.
4. Be ready with your requirements -- TOR, Birth Certificate, Honorable Dismissal, etc. Enrolment will be til Saturday only. Call 253-1000 and ask to be connected to the History Department.

Thanks.

OKay anyway the 1699 map is very interesting because it denotes the different or original locations of the churches that we have now especially the cathedral and the basilica del sto. nino..

In the map if I'm not mistaken, the cathedral was located in the area now occupied by the parking area. If we dig on that part there then perhaps we can find something like a foundation perhaps?

Much interesting also is that the cathedral was supposed to be located at the property across the Casa Real, which is now part of Plaza Independencia..

I think this is logical with regards to the law of the indies.

The cathedral, the government house, and the Fort San Pedro with a plaza at the middle of them.


The former site of the Sto. Nino church on the other hand is located at the site where BPI is right now... Ummmm... And the entire block is also walled or fortified.

The bones of Fr. Sedeño were also interred at the main altar of the Jesuit church.. Sayang noh?

Interesting..


Below: The main altar of the Jesuit church

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/Old_Photos/san_carlos_martires01.jpg



...

Where is this Jesuit church?

OKay anyway the 1699 map is very interesting because it denotes the different or original locations of the churches that we have now especially the cathedral and the basilica del sto. nino..

In the map if I'm not mistaken, the cathedral was located in the area now occupied by the parking area. If we dig on that part there then perhaps we can find something like a foundation perhaps?

Much interesting also is that the cathedral was supposed to be located at the property across the Casa Real, which is now part of Plaza Independencia..

I think this is logical with regards to the law of the indies.

The cathedral, the government house, and the Fort San Pedro with a plaza at the middle of them.


The former site of the Sto. Nino church on the other hand is located at the site where BPI is right now... Ummmm... And the entire block is also walled or fortified.

The bones of Fr. Sedeño were also interred at the main altar of the Jesuit church.. Sayang noh?

Interesting..


Below: The main altar of the Jesuit church

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/Old_Photos/san_carlos_martires01.jpg



...

Where is this Jesuit church?

OKay anyway the 1699 map is very interesting because it denotes the different or original locations of the churches that we have now especially the cathedral and the basilica del sto. nino..

In the map if I'm not mistaken, the cathedral was located in the area now occupied by the parking area. If we dig on that part there then perhaps we can find something like a foundation perhaps?

Much interesting also is that the cathedral was supposed to be located at the property across the Casa Real, which is now part of Plaza Independencia..

I think this is logical with regards to the law of the indies.
The cathedral, the government house, and the Fort San Pedro with a plaza at the middle of them.


The former site of the Sto. Nino church on the other hand is located at the site where BPI is right now... Ummmm... And the entire block is also walled or fortified.

The bones of Fr. Sedeño were also interred at the main altar of the Jesuit church.. Sayang noh?

Interesting..


Below: The main altar of the Jesuit church

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/Old_Photos/san_carlos_martires01.jpg



...

The churches are still located where they are now. The bishop's mitre and staff signify the ownership only and not the location of the church.

Is that the retablo of old San Carlos? I don't see Jesuit saints anymore... must have been replaced during their expulsion in 1768.

OKay anyway the 1699 map is very interesting because it denotes the different or original locations of the churches that we have now especially the cathedral and the basilica del sto. nino..

In the map if I'm not mistaken, the cathedral was located in the area now occupied by the parking area. If we dig on that part there then perhaps we can find something like a foundation perhaps?

Much interesting also is that the cathedral was supposed to be located at the property across the Casa Real, which is now part of Plaza Independencia..

I think this is logical with regards to the law of the indies.
The cathedral, the government house, and the Fort San Pedro with a plaza at the middle of them.


The former site of the Sto. Nino church on the other hand is located at the site where BPI is right now... Ummmm... And the entire block is also walled or fortified.

The bones of Fr. Sedeño were also interred at the main altar of the Jesuit church.. Sayang noh?

Interesting..


Below: The main altar of the Jesuit church

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/Old_Photos/san_carlos_martires01.jpg



...

The churches are still located where they are now. The bishop's mitre and staff signify the ownership only and not the location of the church.

Is that the retablo of old San Carlos? I don't see Jesuit saints anymore... must have been replaced during their expulsion in 1768.

The Carcar City Museum Opening & the 1st Carcar City Charter Day Celebrations

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum01.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum02.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum03.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum04.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum05.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum06.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum07.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum08.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum09.jpg

The Carcar City Museum Opening & the 1st Carcar City Charter Day Celebrations

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum01.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum02.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum03.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum04.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum05.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum06.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum07.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum08.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CarcarMuseum09.jpg

^^

Wow a must visit in the weeks to come.. Entrance fee? Opening days and hours?



The churches are still located where they are now. The bishop's mitre and staff signify the ownership only and not the location of the church.

Is that the retablo of old San Carlos? I don't see Jesuit saints anymore... must have been replaced during their expulsion in 1768.


The map man gud says "Catedral Antigua" or "old Cathedral" at that site across the Casa Real, hehe.

On the Sto. Nino side pod, naay nakabutang "Convento antigua de Sto.Nino" sa southeast portion.

Interesting na jud kaau ni.

Anyway I stitched the map para mas klaro, here it is, click the link....

http://images.acfs1982.multiply.com/image/2/photos/112/orig/1/1699_map_cebu.jpg?et=e%2B1rtwoOj5uTLifnHGhddw&nmid=105044683






@Bernie

Former Jesuit Church, katung Colegio-Seminario de San Carlos ba..

This one...

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/Old_Photos/old_cebu02.jpg


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/Old_Photos/71026006.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/2653063087_1791f6f9d9_b.jpg

^^

Wow a must visit in the weeks to come.. Entrance fee? Opening days and hours?



The churches are still located where they are now. The bishop's mitre and staff signify the ownership only and not the location of the church.

Is that the retablo of old San Carlos? I don't see Jesuit saints anymore... must have been replaced during their expulsion in 1768.


The map man gud says "Catedral Antigua" or "old Cathedral" at that site across the Casa Real, hehe.

On the Sto. Nino side pod, naay nakabutang "Convento antigua de Sto.Nino" sa southeast portion.

Interesting na jud kaau ni.

Anyway I stitched the map para mas klaro, here it is, click the link....

http://images.acfs1982.multiply.com/image/2/photos/112/orig/1/1699_map_cebu.jpg?et=e%2B1rtwoOj5uTLifnHGhddw&nmid=105044683






@Bernie

Former Jesuit Church, katung Colegio-Seminario de San Carlos ba..

This one...

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/Old_Photos/old_cebu02.jpg


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/Old_Photos/71026006.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/2653063087_1791f6f9d9_b.jpg

^^ Ah ok. Thanks. :okay:

Sorry, lost ko kaayo ron, hehe!! :D

^^ Ah ok. Thanks. :okay:

Sorry, lost ko kaayo ron, hehe!! :D

from retrato: filipinas collection iii

The following are items from ebay that are for sale. It says that it was part of a postcard collection of Cebu.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-1.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-2.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-3.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-17.jpg


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http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-14.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-13.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-12.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-11.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-10.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-9.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-8.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-7.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-6.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-5.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-4.jpg

Some postcards that are for sale on ebay.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/collection/26388.jpg

from retrato: filipinas collection iii

The following are items from ebay that are for sale. It says that it was part of a postcard collection of Cebu.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-1.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-2.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-3.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-17.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-16.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-15.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-14.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-13.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-12.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-11.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-10.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-9.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-8.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-7.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-6.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-5.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/3382_second_round_cebu_philippin-4.jpg

Some postcards that are for sale on ebay.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/collection/26388.jpg

^^

Wow a must visit in the weeks to come.. Entrance fee? Opening days and hours?

No entrance fee collected yet. the museum is open everyday except Monday 9am-12nn, 2pm-5pm.

^^

Wow a must visit in the weeks to come.. Entrance fee? Opening days and hours?

No entrance fee collected yet. the museum is open everyday except Monday 9am-12nn, 2pm-5pm.

Grant to the Jesuit Seminary at Cebu
Chirino, Pedro.

Chirino, Father Pedro de. "Grant to the Jesuit Seminary at Cebu." In The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898, translated from the original, edited and annotated by Emma Helen Blair and James Alexander Robertson, with historical introduction and additional notes by Edward Gaylord Bourne. Cleveland, Ohio: A.H. Clark Company, 1903-1909. Vol. 13. Pp. 251-255.Cleveland, Ohio: A.H. Clark Company, 1903-1909.


EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Father Pedro Chirino, procurator of the Jesuits in the Philippines, who established a Jesuit residence in the city of El Santissimo Nombre de Jesus, sends a letter to the king of Spain requesting an annual subsidy for the society which is administering the new Jesuit seminary / school in Cebu . The seminary caters to the education of the children of Cebu , both native and Spanish. Father Chirino supports his request by submitting testimonials from civil and church officials, while suggesting possible sources for the fund. The request is endorsed by licentiate Alonzo Fernandez de Castro. The subsidy is finally granted by the royal council on 26 May 1607.


[The need for education and spiritual instruction]

Sire:

I Pedro Chirino1, of the Society of Jesus, and procurator thereof for the Philipinas (=Philippines), affirm that the said Society, as a result of its desire that there may be in these islands persons who during their youth may engage in exercises of virtue, to the end that letters may flourish there, founded a residence [colegio] in the city of El Santissimo Nombre de Jesus (=Cebu) eight years ago2; and that in it there are such religious as are needed for the purpose not only of teaching religion to the natives, but also of giving instruction in reading and writing to their children and to the Spanish children; and that also Latin is studied there--from all of which great good has resulted to the natives, as well as to the Spaniards.

[Petition for financial support]

Since the country is very poor, and since the said residence has no income, it suffers from great need; and in order that the said residence may advance and may be able to carry on these laudable exercises in learning still further, and may include the study of other subjects of knowledge, I offer my petition to your Majesty that you will be pleased to bestow a gift of one thousand pesos of annual income for the support of the said religious who regularly reside therein for the said purpose, charged against the royal treasury of Mexico or against the proceeds of the saleable offices which are received there.

FATHER PEDRO CHIRINO


[Possible sources of the grant]

I offer my petition to your Majesty that you will make a grant against the following sources of income: In the first place, against the royal treasury of Mexico, and especially against the saleable offices; against the royal treasury of Manila; against the dues collected on the merchandise brought to Manila by the Chinese and Japonese (=Japanese); against the tributes collected from the Chinese in the island of Manila; against the dues and tributes collected from the Chinese in Cebu and Oton; against the Indians3 who are assigned to the royal crown, so long as funds remain in the treasury of the fourth4

The Camara [i.e., Council]; let this be now examined. At Valladolid, January 14, 1605.

The licentiate ALONZO FERNANDEZ DE CASTRO


[A plea to his majesty]

I, Pedro Chirino, of the Society of Jesus and procurator thereof for the Philipinas, affirm, in the name of the residence of the said Society in the city of Santo Nombre de Jesus, that when your Majesty had examined the official reports conveyed in letters from the royal Audiencia of Manila and from the bishop of the said city of Santo Nombre de Jesus, and the ex parte (=from one party) statement made at the request of the said residence, your Majesty decreed that the matter should be considered at the present time. Since the present necessity of the residence is so urgent, as appears from the documents presented, and since the service which it will perform to our Lord God and to your Majesty is so great, provided that the grant desired for the said residence shall be given, I supplicate your Majesty anew to be pleased to consider again the documents which in virtue of a royal decree of your Majesty were made and have been presented.

[Accomplishments of the Jesuits despite their financial constraints]

From the four statements of testimony officially presented, will plainly appear the care and attention with which the religious of the said Society have attended and do attend to the administration of the holy sacraments, and to preaching and hearing confessions, not only from the Spaniards of the said city of El Santo Nombre de Jesus but from the natives and Sangleys. They give their assistance in all the necessities of the people, both spiritual and temporal, with special care; and the said residence has schools in which their children are not only taught to read and write, but also receive instruction in good morals and habits, and, for all those who desire it, in Latin also. There are many students, from whose education and instruction results much good and advantage to all that country. At the same time, the aforesaid residence is very poor, since it has no fixed income to sustain it. The result is that it suffers great need; and if it receives no assistance there is no doubt that the necessity in which it at present is will be increased, since the country is very poor, and the gifts which are made to it are extremely small. At the same time the expenses are heavy; and it is now housed in a very small, old, wooden building, which at the present time is decaying and is in great need of repairs. The members of the said Society receive for the masses, administration of the sacraments, preaching, reading and all their other ministries to their fellow-men nothing whatever, but do all these things gratis. It should further be observed that the citizens of the said city of Santo Nombre de Jesus are few and very poor, and are unable to aid the said religious with any gifts or alms.

[Affidavits testifying on the value of the Jesuit residence in Cebu]

In addition to the aforesaid affirmations, which are contained in the official evidence, there are other statements in the ex parte testimony in which the same things are said by twelve witnesses, one of whom is Bishop Don Fray de Agurto. Besides the above, he has written a letter, which is enclosed herewith, in which he declares as an eye-witness the great service done to our Lord God in those regions by religious of the aforesaid Society; and the great value of their residence there, from which great profit results to the said city and all that province of Cebu , distant from Manila one hundred and fifty leguas by sea. This said residence is, as it were, a nursery and asylum for all the missions and centers of teaching that are under the charge of the aforesaid Society in that province. There are two letters from the royal Audiencia in which they state that which they consider necessary to relieve the wants of the aforesaid residence, and the excellent use to which such a grant would be put. I pray your Majesty that, in view of these considerations, this favor may be granted, by giving commands that a regular income of two thousand ducados of eight reals may be allowed, as has been requested, for the support of the religious who reside therein. The aforesaid sum is to be charged against the royal treasury of Mexico, from the proceeds of offices which are sold, deposited therein; and therewith the Society will receive a great grace from your Majesty.

- FATHER PEDRO CHIRINO

Granted by the Camara, May 26, 1607:

The licentiate ALONZO FERNANDEZ DE CASTRO


ENDNOTES

1. Padre Chirino was born in 1557 in Osuna of Anadalucia. Chirino graduated in both civil and canon law at Sevilla, and entered the Society of Jesus at the age of twenty-three. B&R, vol. XII.

2. Cf. the document in Vol XI. To the Jesuit school in Cebu , dated December II, 1601. See note thereon regarding translation of Colegio.

3. FN: "Indio" (Indian) was a term used by Spaniards to refer to the natives of the Philippines-- the very same term that Columbus used for the indigenous population of the New World, the Americas.

4. Referring to the fund arising from the fourth part of the tributes in encomiendas where no religious instruction was given; this fourth was reserved for the benefit of the Indians. See Vol. VIII, pp.29, 160.

Grant to the Jesuit Seminary at Cebu
Chirino, Pedro.

Chirino, Father Pedro de. "Grant to the Jesuit Seminary at Cebu." In The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898, translated from the original, edited and annotated by Emma Helen Blair and James Alexander Robertson, with historical introduction and additional notes by Edward Gaylord Bourne. Cleveland, Ohio: A.H. Clark Company, 1903-1909. Vol. 13. Pp. 251-255.Cleveland, Ohio: A.H. Clark Company, 1903-1909.


EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Father Pedro Chirino, procurator of the Jesuits in the Philippines, who established a Jesuit residence in the city of El Santissimo Nombre de Jesus, sends a letter to the king of Spain requesting an annual subsidy for the society which is administering the new Jesuit seminary / school in Cebu . The seminary caters to the education of the children of Cebu , both native and Spanish. Father Chirino supports his request by submitting testimonials from civil and church officials, while suggesting possible sources for the fund. The request is endorsed by licentiate Alonzo Fernandez de Castro. The subsidy is finally granted by the royal council on 26 May 1607.


[The need for education and spiritual instruction]

Sire:

I Pedro Chirino1, of the Society of Jesus, and procurator thereof for the Philipinas (=Philippines), affirm that the said Society, as a result of its desire that there may be in these islands persons who during their youth may engage in exercises of virtue, to the end that letters may flourish there, founded a residence [colegio] in the city of El Santissimo Nombre de Jesus (=Cebu) eight years ago2; and that in it there are such religious as are needed for the purpose not only of teaching religion to the natives, but also of giving instruction in reading and writing to their children and to the Spanish children; and that also Latin is studied there--from all of which great good has resulted to the natives, as well as to the Spaniards.

[Petition for financial support]

Since the country is very poor, and since the said residence has no income, it suffers from great need; and in order that the said residence may advance and may be able to carry on these laudable exercises in learning still further, and may include the study of other subjects of knowledge, I offer my petition to your Majesty that you will be pleased to bestow a gift of one thousand pesos of annual income for the support of the said religious who regularly reside therein for the said purpose, charged against the royal treasury of Mexico or against the proceeds of the saleable offices which are received there.

FATHER PEDRO CHIRINO


[Possible sources of the grant]

I offer my petition to your Majesty that you will make a grant against the following sources of income: In the first place, against the royal treasury of Mexico, and especially against the saleable offices; against the royal treasury of Manila; against the dues collected on the merchandise brought to Manila by the Chinese and Japonese (=Japanese); against the tributes collected from the Chinese in the island of Manila; against the dues and tributes collected from the Chinese in Cebu and Oton; against the Indians3 who are assigned to the royal crown, so long as funds remain in the treasury of the fourth4

The Camara [i.e., Council]; let this be now examined. At Valladolid, January 14, 1605.

The licentiate ALONZO FERNANDEZ DE CASTRO


[A plea to his majesty]

I, Pedro Chirino, of the Society of Jesus and procurator thereof for the Philipinas, affirm, in the name of the residence of the said Society in the city of Santo Nombre de Jesus, that when your Majesty had examined the official reports conveyed in letters from the royal Audiencia of Manila and from the bishop of the said city of Santo Nombre de Jesus, and the ex parte (=from one party) statement made at the request of the said residence, your Majesty decreed that the matter should be considered at the present time. Since the present necessity of the residence is so urgent, as appears from the documents presented, and since the service which it will perform to our Lord God and to your Majesty is so great, provided that the grant desired for the said residence shall be given, I supplicate your Majesty anew to be pleased to consider again the documents which in virtue of a royal decree of your Majesty were made and have been presented.

[Accomplishments of the Jesuits despite their financial constraints]

From the four statements of testimony officially presented, will plainly appear the care and attention with which the religious of the said Society have attended and do attend to the administration of the holy sacraments, and to preaching and hearing confessions, not only from the Spaniards of the said city of El Santo Nombre de Jesus but from the natives and Sangleys. They give their assistance in all the necessities of the people, both spiritual and temporal, with special care; and the said residence has schools in which their children are not only taught to read and write, but also receive instruction in good morals and habits, and, for all those who desire it, in Latin also. There are many students, from whose education and instruction results much good and advantage to all that country. At the same time, the aforesaid residence is very poor, since it has no fixed income to sustain it. The result is that it suffers great need; and if it receives no assistance there is no doubt that the necessity in which it at present is will be increased, since the country is very poor, and the gifts which are made to it are extremely small. At the same time the expenses are heavy; and it is now housed in a very small, old, wooden building, which at the present time is decaying and is in great need of repairs. The members of the said Society receive for the masses, administration of the sacraments, preaching, reading and all their other ministries to their fellow-men nothing whatever, but do all these things gratis. It should further be observed that the citizens of the said city of Santo Nombre de Jesus are few and very poor, and are unable to aid the said religious with any gifts or alms.

[Affidavits testifying on the value of the Jesuit residence in Cebu]

In addition to the aforesaid affirmations, which are contained in the official evidence, there are other statements in the ex parte testimony in which the same things are said by twelve witnesses, one of whom is Bishop Don Fray de Agurto. Besides the above, he has written a letter, which is enclosed herewith, in which he declares as an eye-witness the great service done to our Lord God in those regions by religious of the aforesaid Society; and the great value of their residence there, from which great profit results to the said city and all that province of Cebu , distant from Manila one hundred and fifty leguas by sea. This said residence is, as it were, a nursery and asylum for all the missions and centers of teaching that are under the charge of the aforesaid Society in that province. There are two letters from the royal Audiencia in which they state that which they consider necessary to relieve the wants of the aforesaid residence, and the excellent use to which such a grant would be put. I pray your Majesty that, in view of these considerations, this favor may be granted, by giving commands that a regular income of two thousand ducados of eight reals may be allowed, as has been requested, for the support of the religious who reside therein. The aforesaid sum is to be charged against the royal treasury of Mexico, from the proceeds of offices which are sold, deposited therein; and therewith the Society will receive a great grace from your Majesty.

- FATHER PEDRO CHIRINO

Granted by the Camara, May 26, 1607:

The licentiate ALONZO FERNANDEZ DE CASTRO


ENDNOTES

1. Padre Chirino was born in 1557 in Osuna of Anadalucia. Chirino graduated in both civil and canon law at Sevilla, and entered the Society of Jesus at the age of twenty-three. B&R, vol. XII.

2. Cf. the document in Vol XI. To the Jesuit school in Cebu , dated December II, 1601. See note thereon regarding translation of Colegio.

3. FN: "Indio" (Indian) was a term used by Spaniards to refer to the natives of the Philippines-- the very same term that Columbus used for the indigenous population of the New World, the Americas.

4. Referring to the fund arising from the fourth part of the tributes in encomiendas where no religious instruction was given; this fourth was reserved for the benefit of the Indians. See Vol. VIII, pp.29, 160.

The churches are still located where they are now. The bishop's mitre and staff signify the ownership only and not the location of the church.

Is that the retablo of old San Carlos? I don't see Jesuit saints anymore... must have been replaced during their expulsion in 1768.

Dale,
Very few Jesuit retablos remain intact. I think the side retablo of the San Carlos, the Loreto altar was intact before it was destroyed. The main altar may have been renovated during the 19th century. I wonder who the bishop at the left was. He might have been the titular of the church and may have been from the old retablo.

The churches are still located where they are now. The bishop's mitre and staff signify the ownership only and not the location of the church.

Is that the retablo of old San Carlos? I don't see Jesuit saints anymore... must have been replaced during their expulsion in 1768.

Dale,
Very few Jesuit retablos remain intact. I think the side retablo of the San Carlos, the Loreto altar was intact before it was destroyed. The main altar may have been renovated during the 19th century. I wonder who the bishop at the left was. He might have been the titular of the church and may have been from the old retablo.

unsa diay story behind anang expulsion sa Jesuits dinhi sa Pinas?

based on what i read from A History of Christianity, it seems that the Jesuits were the 'lesser evil' among the different orders...

like in Japan for example, they almost succeeded in converting it totally to Christianity and the warlords were friendly toward them...it wasnt until the arrival of the friars and the protestants that Japan became hostile towards christians...unlike other orders, the jesuits daw were not into imperialism...

the book also says that there was actually a plan to launch an invasion of China from the Philippines in order to colonize and christianize China...imagine if nadayon to, there would be a chance that even today, China, or at least parts of it, would be part of the Philippines

unsa diay story behind anang expulsion sa Jesuits dinhi sa Pinas?

based on what i read from A History of Christianity, it seems that the Jesuits were the 'lesser evil' among the different orders...

like in Japan for example, they almost succeeded in converting it totally to Christianity and the warlords were friendly toward them...it wasnt until the arrival of the friars and the protestants that Japan became hostile towards christians...unlike other orders, the jesuits daw were not into imperialism...

the book also says that there was actually a plan to launch an invasion of China from the Philippines in order to colonize and christianize China...imagine if nadayon to, there would be a chance that even today, China, or at least parts of it, would be part of the Philippines

unsa diay story behind anang expulsion sa Jesuits dinhi sa Pinas?

based on what i read from A History of Christianity, it seems that the Jesuits were the 'lesser evil' among the different orders...

like in Japan for example, they almost succeeded in converting it totally to Christianity and the warlords were friendly toward them...it wasnt until the arrival of the friars and the protestants that Japan became hostile towards christians...unlike other orders, the jesuits daw were not into imperialism...

the book also says that there was actually a plan to launch an invasion of China from the Philippines in order to colonize and christianize China...imagine if nadayon to, there would be a chance that even today, China, or at least parts of it, would be part of the Philippines

This might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_the_Society_of_Jesus

Read and crossref. :-)

unsa diay story behind anang expulsion sa Jesuits dinhi sa Pinas?

based on what i read from A History of Christianity, it seems that the Jesuits were the 'lesser evil' among the different orders...

like in Japan for example, they almost succeeded in converting it totally to Christianity and the warlords were friendly toward them...it wasnt until the arrival of the friars and the protestants that Japan became hostile towards christians...unlike other orders, the jesuits daw were not into imperialism...

the book also says that there was actually a plan to launch an invasion of China from the Philippines in order to colonize and christianize China...imagine if nadayon to, there would be a chance that even today, China, or at least parts of it, would be part of the Philippines

This might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_the_Society_of_Jesus

Read and crossref. :-)

^^


@archaeologue

When our subdivision here in Sapangdaku was built, some vintage "bombs" were unearthed.. There are also two caves in our mountain subdivision here in Sapangdaku. I was able to enter one of them when I was small but only a few feet from the entrance.

I have also heard that this "prominent Cebuano politician" who is into treasure hunting already visited the site before, hehehehehehe....

Some people said that skeletons too were dug somewhere near the vicinity of our subdivision but they were from the communist purge daw..



//


@LordCarnal

This should be more astonishing:

I was told yesterday that the guadalupe river, right beside the permiter road of the capitol going to andres abellana, was the dumping ground for bayonets, bullets, tanks and even 6x6 trucks immediately after the war!

Junjet, the renowned choreographer, told me that he grew up in a house that was built on top of mounds of bayonets and bullets. when they dug a basement in the 70s, they discovered these bayonets and threw them down the river! sayang lagi daw. wa pa man gud silay buot at the time, mga bata pa kaayo.

there is even one house there which is built on top of a tank...also the side of a tank is still visible daw when you walk beside the river below!

also, according to former provincial engineer Quiroga, there is a network of tunnels below the capitol, the openings of which Gov. Eduardo Gullas ordered sealed because these may be booby-trapped and might demolish the capitol if these explode!

some good news: the Redemptorists will lend one of the howitzers at their Busay residence for the Provincial Museum!

^^


@archaeologue

When our subdivision here in Sapangdaku was built, some vintage "bombs" were unearthed.. There are also two caves in our mountain subdivision here in Sapangdaku. I was able to enter one of them when I was small but only a few feet from the entrance.

I have also heard that this "prominent Cebuano politician" who is into treasure hunting already visited the site before, hehehehehehe....

Some people said that skeletons too were dug somewhere near the vicinity of our subdivision but they were from the communist purge daw..



//


@LordCarnal

This should be more astonishing:

I was told yesterday that the guadalupe river, right beside the permiter road of the capitol going to andres abellana, was the dumping ground for bayonets, bullets, tanks and even 6x6 trucks immediately after the war!

Junjet, the renowned choreographer, told me that he grew up in a house that was built on top of mounds of bayonets and bullets. when they dug a basement in the 70s, they discovered these bayonets and threw them down the river! sayang lagi daw. wa pa man gud silay buot at the time, mga bata pa kaayo.

there is even one house there which is built on top of a tank...also the side of a tank is still visible daw when you walk beside the river below!

also, according to former provincial engineer Quiroga, there is a network of tunnels below the capitol, the openings of which Gov. Eduardo Gullas ordered sealed because these may be booby-trapped and might demolish the capitol if these explode!

some good news: the Redemptorists will lend one of the howitzers at their Busay residence for the Provincial Museum!

Bai Archaelogue,

ngano nag mention ko ug "thin line" kay akong gibasihan ang usa ka well-known advocate, she even has a museum of her own plus her collection in her house, what is interesting is she also finances diggings of all kinds, WW2 tunnels or otherwise...financing a project i know is not easy especially with regards to legal requirements like permit from the National Museum/etc ... dili pa jud pasud-lan kay usually naay perimeter GI fence ang lungag, on top of that, she welcomes probable sites that are given
to her - now I call that treasure hunting.

and I hope too that this is just an isolated case and not to be taken as
a conclusion. there is no even thin line in this case.



Yup i know who you are referring to. I wrote her in 2005 a very scathing demand letter for her to stop the looting because she was getting old while I was still young and that when she goes I will still be around to lambaste what she had done! hahaha....





I called up USC this afternoon, but seems nobody can explain fully what I
wanted to know, I tried calling up History Dept and So-an but wala pod...
tried calling bai archaeologue pero wa man cya sa office.

Just wanted to know the foll:
1. Is it a short course?
2. If not then what is it? Graduate studies? How many units? How long, one
two semesters?
3. Weekend classes only? or weekdays?

thanks and please give me a landline where i can call... regards



The program is not under my department although I have been informed that I am part of the faculty. Please call Cebuano Studies Center, 2531000 loc. 183.

Bai Archaelogue,

ngano nag mention ko ug "thin line" kay akong gibasihan ang usa ka well-known advocate, she even has a museum of her own plus her collection in her house, what is interesting is she also finances diggings of all kinds, WW2 tunnels or otherwise...financing a project i know is not easy especially with regards to legal requirements like permit from the National Museum/etc ... dili pa jud pasud-lan kay usually naay perimeter GI fence ang lungag, on top of that, she welcomes probable sites that are given
to her - now I call that treasure hunting.

and I hope too that this is just an isolated case and not to be taken as
a conclusion. there is no even thin line in this case.



Yup i know who you are referring to. I wrote her in 2005 a very scathing demand letter for her to stop the looting because she was getting old while I was still young and that when she goes I will still be around to lambaste what she had done! hahaha....





I called up USC this afternoon, but seems nobody can explain fully what I
wanted to know, I tried calling up History Dept and So-an but wala pod...
tried calling bai archaeologue pero wa man cya sa office.

Just wanted to know the foll:
1. Is it a short course?
2. If not then what is it? Graduate studies? How many units? How long, one
two semesters?
3. Weekend classes only? or weekdays?

thanks and please give me a landline where i can call... regards



The program is not under my department although I have been informed that I am part of the faculty. Please call Cebuano Studies Center, 2531000 loc. 183.

Arnold,

The book is out of print na.. I heard that it costs a leg to buy an original because it is so expensive.. More than P10K, for a second-hand. This book is the Bible of Filipino architects.



I just called up San Carlos Publications and indeed the book is out of print and now commands a price of somthing like 5k in the market. Just wait till we finalize the request to reporduce this as well as the "Cebu under the Spanish Flag" by Bruce Fenner.

Arnold,

The book is out of print na.. I heard that it costs a leg to buy an original because it is so expensive.. More than P10K, for a second-hand. This book is the Bible of Filipino architects.



I just called up San Carlos Publications and indeed the book is out of print and now commands a price of somthing like 5k in the market. Just wait till we finalize the request to reporduce this as well as the "Cebu under the Spanish Flag" by Bruce Fenner.

^^

Shot these photos in Argao. I think you already know about this.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/bone_02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/bone_01.jpg

^^

Shot these photos in Argao. I think you already know about this.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/bone_02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/bone_01.jpg

Dale,
Very few Jesuit retablos remain intact. I think the side retablo of the San Carlos, the Loreto altar was intact before it was destroyed. The main altar may have been renovated during the 19th century. I wonder who the bishop at the left was. He might have been the titular of the church and may have been from the old retablo.


Could he be San Carlos Borromeo?

Dale,
Very few Jesuit retablos remain intact. I think the side retablo of the San Carlos, the Loreto altar was intact before it was destroyed. The main altar may have been renovated during the 19th century. I wonder who the bishop at the left was. He might have been the titular of the church and may have been from the old retablo.


Could he be San Carlos Borromeo?

I just called up San Carlos Publications and indeed the book is out of print and now commands a price of somthing like 5k in the market. Just wait till we finalize the request to reporduce this as well as the "Cebu under the Spanish Flag" by Bruce Fenner.


That's good news. Would surely buy copies of Klassen's book. For now, I'll content myself with a photocopy. :banana:

I just called up San Carlos Publications and indeed the book is out of print and now commands a price of somthing like 5k in the market. Just wait till we finalize the request to reporduce this as well as the "Cebu under the Spanish Flag" by Bruce Fenner.


That's good news. Would surely buy copies of Klassen's book. For now, I'll content myself with a photocopy. :banana:

^^

so you have a photocopy of it? can i photocopy? :D :D :D :D

hehehehehehehhehehe...

^^

so you have a photocopy of it? can i photocopy? :D :D :D :D

hehehehehehehhehehe...

^^

Shot these photos in Argao. I think you already know about this.


yes...the guys there insist this and other bones are human...i suspect not. but i'm not an expert on bones...

:lol:

^^

Shot these photos in Argao. I think you already know about this.


yes...the guys there insist this and other bones are human...i suspect not. but i'm not an expert on bones...

:lol:

^^

Shot these photos in Argao. I think you already know about this.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/bone_02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/bone_01.jpg


Unsa ni?

^^

Shot these photos in Argao. I think you already know about this.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/bone_02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/bone_01.jpg


Unsa ni?

^^

Looks like a part of the vertebra but I think it's not human. At least it looks different from what I've seen in my human anatomy laboratory class, hehe.


..

^^

Looks like a part of the vertebra but I think it's not human. At least it looks different from what I've seen in my human anatomy laboratory class, hehe.


..

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5936/callenorteamericamb0.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=callenorteamericamb0.jpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8471/jakosalemstnowss8.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jakosalemstnowss8.jpg)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9811/bancodelasislasfilipinayt0.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bancodelasislasfilipinayt0.jpg)

Mga bai Overtureph and Gee:

Thanks for posting those images from ebay, again, it adds to my collection of
old cebu pics. Shown above are the comparison of the old and the new,
incidentally I am focusing my research now for the old buildings in cebu like BPI.

daghan salamat!

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5936/callenorteamericamb0.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=callenorteamericamb0.jpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8471/jakosalemstnowss8.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jakosalemstnowss8.jpg)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9811/bancodelasislasfilipinayt0.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bancodelasislasfilipinayt0.jpg)

Mga bai Overtureph and Gee:

Thanks for posting those images from ebay, again, it adds to my collection of
old cebu pics. Shown above are the comparison of the old and the new,
incidentally I am focusing my research now for the old buildings in cebu like BPI.

daghan salamat!

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5936/callenorteamericamb0.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=callenorteamericamb0.jpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8471/jakosalemstnowss8.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jakosalemstnowss8.jpg)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9811/bancodelasislasfilipinayt0.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bancodelasislasfilipinayt0.jpg)

Mga bai Overtureph and Gee:

Thanks for posting those images from ebay, again, it adds to my collection of
old cebu pics. Shown above are the comparison of the old and the new,
incidentally I am focusing my research now for the old buildings in cebu like BPI.

daghan salamat!


i am planning to buy these photos but worng kuno ako format sa ako fone number. gggrrrr

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5936/callenorteamericamb0.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=callenorteamericamb0.jpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8471/jakosalemstnowss8.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jakosalemstnowss8.jpg)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9811/bancodelasislasfilipinayt0.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bancodelasislasfilipinayt0.jpg)

Mga bai Overtureph and Gee:

Thanks for posting those images from ebay, again, it adds to my collection of
old cebu pics. Shown above are the comparison of the old and the new,
incidentally I am focusing my research now for the old buildings in cebu like BPI.

daghan salamat!


i am planning to buy these photos but worng kuno ako format sa ako fone number. gggrrrr

Could he be San Carlos Borromeo?

If the statue was contemporaneous with the altarpiece, he could have been San Carlos Borromeo. If it was older, it could be San Ildefonso or some other bishop.

Could he be San Carlos Borromeo?

If the statue was contemporaneous with the altarpiece, he could have been San Carlos Borromeo. If it was older, it could be San Ildefonso or some other bishop.

unsa diay story behind anang expulsion sa Jesuits dinhi sa Pinas?

based on what i read from A History of Christianity, it seems that the Jesuits were the 'lesser evil' among the different orders...

like in Japan for example, they almost succeeded in converting it totally to Christianity and the warlords were friendly toward them...it wasnt until the arrival of the friars and the protestants that Japan became hostile towards christians...unlike other orders, the jesuits daw were not into imperialism...

the book also says that there was actually a plan to launch an invasion of China from the Philippines in order to colonize and christianize China...imagine if nadayon to, there would be a chance that even today, China, or at least parts of it, would be part of the Philippines

The history of the Jesuit expulsion in the Philippines is the same as those of the three "enlightened" states of the time - Spain, Portual and France. But the Philippines was among the last place where the Jesuits were expelled.

--

Formosa or Taiwan was being colonized from the Philippines until the Dutch took it in 1640.

unsa diay story behind anang expulsion sa Jesuits dinhi sa Pinas?

based on what i read from A History of Christianity, it seems that the Jesuits were the 'lesser evil' among the different orders...

like in Japan for example, they almost succeeded in converting it totally to Christianity and the warlords were friendly toward them...it wasnt until the arrival of the friars and the protestants that Japan became hostile towards christians...unlike other orders, the jesuits daw were not into imperialism...

the book also says that there was actually a plan to launch an invasion of China from the Philippines in order to colonize and christianize China...imagine if nadayon to, there would be a chance that even today, China, or at least parts of it, would be part of the Philippines

The history of the Jesuit expulsion in the Philippines is the same as those of the three "enlightened" states of the time - Spain, Portual and France. But the Philippines was among the last place where the Jesuits were expelled.

--

Formosa or Taiwan was being colonized from the Philippines until the Dutch took it in 1640.

i am planning to buy these photos but worng kuno ako format sa ako fone number. gggrrrr



are you sure they are still on eBaY?

i think all these ebay items were sold out by auction last
May and early June pa.



In fact, I bought the Calle Morga picture.


I do not understand why you are required to have a phone number...

this must be in your starting account. maybe you did not select Philippines as your country of residence. because if you used our international phone codes and local codes but selected United States as country then there would be a problem.

i am planning to buy these photos but worng kuno ako format sa ako fone number. gggrrrr



are you sure they are still on eBaY?

i think all these ebay items were sold out by auction last
May and early June pa.



In fact, I bought the Calle Morga picture.


I do not understand why you are required to have a phone number...

this must be in your starting account. maybe you did not select Philippines as your country of residence. because if you used our international phone codes and local codes but selected United States as country then there would be a problem.

bai archaeologue, just curious, asa mana ang calle morga? if you take a look at
the background it looks like the mountains of pardo, buhisan, going to
guadalupe... so it must be somewhere in san nicolas or downtown
cebu?

bai archaeologue, just curious, asa mana ang calle morga? if you take a look at
the background it looks like the mountains of pardo, buhisan, going to
guadalupe... so it must be somewhere in san nicolas or downtown
cebu?

calle morga is from malacanan to city hall. that photo was shot from the top of aduana.

calle morga is from malacanan to city hall. that photo was shot from the top of aduana.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/ximone/morgast.jpg

Daghan salamat Lordcanal: I believe you are correct, there is no other
angle to take the photo in the vicinity except from the old customs house. Tried to dissect the image and here's what I got:

A. These bodegas are still existing today (San Miguel,Atlas,etc)
B. That's the mountain in Buhisan dam
C. That's the old site of Banco de las Islas Filipinas
D. This is the first time I have seen this image and am not sure if this
is the present City Hall as I have not seen any photo of the prewar city hall,
that's the area between the old Mcwd and D. Jakosalem st now.
E. Yutivo bldg.
F. building which houses the Chinabank now.
G. old Prudential Bank building Magallanes corner Jakosalem (now BPI).
H. present day Yale Hardware
I. the old Smith Bell building (see the canopy near the sidewalk) which houses the MCWD before they
transferred to its present new bldg and location, old Smith Bell
bldg now rented by Prince Warehouse from mcwd. forgot to put
the letter marker (trapezoidal marker).

The Gotiaoco building was not constructed yet when this picture was taken?

Calle Morga is now MC Briones St.

I hope somebody can post a photo of the area in the vicinity of the
present Cebu City Hall.

Daghan salamat bai....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/ximone/morgast.jpg

Daghan salamat Lordcanal: I believe you are correct, there is no other
angle to take the photo in the vicinity except from the old customs house. Tried to dissect the image and here's what I got:

A. These bodegas are still existing today (San Miguel,Atlas,etc)
B. That's the mountain in Buhisan dam
C. That's the old site of Banco de las Islas Filipinas
D. This is the first time I have seen this image and am not sure if this
is the present City Hall as I have not seen any photo of the prewar city hall,
that's the area between the old Mcwd and D. Jakosalem st now.
E. Yutivo bldg.
F. building which houses the Chinabank now.
G. old Prudential Bank building Magallanes corner Jakosalem (now BPI).
H. present day Yale Hardware
I. the old Smith Bell building (see the canopy near the sidewalk) which houses the MCWD before they
transferred to its present new bldg and location, old Smith Bell
bldg now rented by Prince Warehouse from mcwd. forgot to put
the letter marker (trapezoidal marker).

The Gotiaoco building was not constructed yet when this picture was taken?

Calle Morga is now MC Briones St.

I hope somebody can post a photo of the area in the vicinity of the
present Cebu City Hall.

Daghan salamat bai....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/ximone/cebuww2.jpg

Cebu City when the Americans came and bombed the Hapones out. Encircled
is the area of Calle Morga from atop the Aduana.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/ximone/cebuww2.jpg

Cebu City when the Americans came and bombed the Hapones out. Encircled
is the area of Calle Morga from atop the Aduana.

^^

Wow, so vast a space.. Thanks for posting that photo bai.

By the way, a friend gave to me a UAP CD about some sites in Cebu.. Kanang Yutivo Hardware, karaan naman diay na noh? Late 1930s I think, I'll check the CD later.. Tapos it says that it is the only hardware daw in Cebu today to have a period interior.



..

^^

Wow, so vast a space.. Thanks for posting that photo bai.

By the way, a friend gave to me a UAP CD about some sites in Cebu.. Kanang Yutivo Hardware, karaan naman diay na noh? Late 1930s I think, I'll check the CD later.. Tapos it says that it is the only hardware daw in Cebu today to have a period interior.



..

unsa diay story behind anang expulsion sa Jesuits dinhi sa Pinas?

based on what i read from A History of Christianity, it seems that the Jesuits were the 'lesser evil' among the different orders...

like in Japan for example, they almost succeeded in converting it totally to Christianity and the warlords were friendly toward them...it wasnt until the arrival of the friars and the protestants that Japan became hostile towards christians...unlike other orders, the jesuits daw were not into imperialism...

the book also says that there was actually a plan to launch an invasion of China from the Philippines in order to colonize and christianize China...imagine if nadayon to, there would be a chance that even today, China, or at least parts of it, would be part of the Philippines

with regard to the jesuits and the mendicant orders (franciscans, dominicans) ... the difference lies on the "method". the well-educated jesuits focused their attention on the ruling class and the scholars. matteo ricci for example studied the chinese classics for a long time (12 yrs?) before he started his mission work. he had to do this since the government officials were required to learn the classics and take the state exams before admitted to government service. further, he also introduced western astronomy, etc. to china, which enabled him to reach the imperial court, which was very rare at that time. the dominicans and franciscans, on the other hand, identified themselves with the "masa". in china the jesuits were opened for accomodation, that is, some chinese rites like the veneration of ancestors were incorporated in the liturgy. since the franciscans and dominicans did not like it they reported to the pope and this became the famous "Chinese rites controversy"

with regard to the invasion of china from philippines, the spanish scholar manel olle, wrote a detailed account about his matter. In 2002? he published his doctoral dissertation with the title: La Empresa de China. De la Armada Invencible al Galeón de Manila. i found an english review a few weeks ago, if i find it i'll post it here.for the mean time here's a book review in spanish:

http://www.florentinorodao.com/rev/abcdolle.jpg

unsa diay story behind anang expulsion sa Jesuits dinhi sa Pinas?

based on what i read from A History of Christianity, it seems that the Jesuits were the 'lesser evil' among the different orders...

like in Japan for example, they almost succeeded in converting it totally to Christianity and the warlords were friendly toward them...it wasnt until the arrival of the friars and the protestants that Japan became hostile towards christians...unlike other orders, the jesuits daw were not into imperialism...

the book also says that there was actually a plan to launch an invasion of China from the Philippines in order to colonize and christianize China...imagine if nadayon to, there would be a chance that even today, China, or at least parts of it, would be part of the Philippines

with regard to the jesuits and the mendicant orders (franciscans, dominicans) ... the difference lies on the "method". the well-educated jesuits focused their attention on the ruling class and the scholars. matteo ricci for example studied the chinese classics for a long time (12 yrs?) before he started his mission work. he had to do this since the government officials were required to learn the classics and take the state exams before admitted to government service. further, he also introduced western astronomy, etc. to china, which enabled him to reach the imperial court, which was very rare at that time. the dominicans and franciscans, on the other hand, identified themselves with the "masa". in china the jesuits were opened for accomodation, that is, some chinese rites like the veneration of ancestors were incorporated in the liturgy. since the franciscans and dominicans did not like it they reported to the pope and this became the famous "Chinese rites controversy"

with regard to the invasion of china from philippines, the spanish scholar manel olle, wrote a detailed account about his matter. In 2002? he published his doctoral dissertation with the title: La Empresa de China. De la Armada Invencible al Galeón de Manila. i found an english review a few weeks ago, if i find it i'll post it here.for the mean time here's a book review in spanish:

http://www.florentinorodao.com/rev/abcdolle.jpg

Guys, I'm looking for old pictures of UP Cebu. Does anyone here have one? I'd be happy if anyone can post it here. Salamat!

Guys, I'm looking for old pictures of UP Cebu. Does anyone here have one? I'd be happy if anyone can post it here. Salamat!

mga bai, it's only now that I've noticed that in the pediment of the Cebu Cathedral, there's an IHS inscription and directly below it is a "flaming heart."

The 1699 map of Cebu shows the cathedral on a part of a block bounded by the properties of the Jesuits and Augustinians. Any relation perhaps?


If the figure below the IHS is not a "flaming heart" then could it be instead part of the Jesuit symbol? (The figure below the IHS looks like a pear or heart pierced by three nails)

So perhaps the Cathedral sits on property owned by the Jesuits before?



Here's the stitched map:

http://images.acfs1982.multiply.com/image/2/photos/112/orig/1/1699_map_cebu.jpg?et=e%2B1rtwoOj5uTLifnHGhddw&nmid=105044683


And this is my only high res photo of the Cathedral:

http://images.cacchc.multiply.com/image/4/photos/8/orig/5/Cebu%20Metropolitan%20Cathedral.jpg?et=TxSLOthin7W03ci7ny%2CWiQ&nmid=90043823
//

mga bai, it's only now that I've noticed that in the pediment of the Cebu Cathedral, there's an IHS inscription and directly below it is a "flaming heart."

The 1699 map of Cebu shows the cathedral on a part of a block bounded by the properties of the Jesuits and Augustinians. Any relation perhaps?


If the figure below the IHS is not a "flaming heart" then could it be instead part of the Jesuit symbol? (The figure below the IHS looks like a pear or heart pierced by three nails)

So perhaps the Cathedral sits on property owned by the Jesuits before?



Here's the stitched map:

http://images.acfs1982.multiply.com/image/2/photos/112/orig/1/1699_map_cebu.jpg?et=e%2B1rtwoOj5uTLifnHGhddw&nmid=105044683


And this is my only high res photo of the Cathedral:

http://images.cacchc.multiply.com/image/4/photos/8/orig/5/Cebu%20Metropolitan%20Cathedral.jpg?et=TxSLOthin7W03ci7ny%2CWiQ&nmid=90043823
//

Guys, I'm looking for old pictures of UP Cebu. Does anyone here have one? I'd be happy if anyone can post it here. Salamat!

Bai, suggest you visit USP museum, I remember the late Agustin Jereza (USP Founder) was the one who constructed UP before the war and saw photos before their museum was finally opened to the public.

Am also curious about the founder, apparently his "performance" as far as
Cebu is concerned murag wa man ma recognized.

Guys, I'm looking for old pictures of UP Cebu. Does anyone here have one? I'd be happy if anyone can post it here. Salamat!

Bai, suggest you visit USP museum, I remember the late Agustin Jereza (USP Founder) was the one who constructed UP before the war and saw photos before their museum was finally opened to the public.

Am also curious about the founder, apparently his "performance" as far as
Cebu is concerned murag wa man ma recognized.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7307/dsc01267ct5.gif (http://imageshack.us)
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7307/dsc01267ct5.44ec9bb14e.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=120&i=dsc01267ct5.gif)

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7307/dsc01267ct5.gif (http://imageshack.us)
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7307/dsc01267ct5.44ec9bb14e.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=120&i=dsc01267ct5.gif)

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2057/dsc01265ie2.gif (http://imageshack.us)

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2057/dsc01265ie2.gif (http://imageshack.us)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2562/dsc01266vs5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2562/dsc01266vs5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Bai, suggest you visit USP museum, I remember the late Agustin Jereza (USP Founder) was the one who constructed UP before the war and saw photos before their museum was finally opened to the public.

Am also curious about the founder, apparently his "performance" as far as
Cebu is concerned murag wa man ma recognized.

Sanvalente, daghang salamat for giving me the idea. :banana: Btw, you might still want to enrol in Cebuano Heritage Studies. Enrolment has been extended.

Bai, suggest you visit USP museum, I remember the late Agustin Jereza (USP Founder) was the one who constructed UP before the war and saw photos before their museum was finally opened to the public.

Am also curious about the founder, apparently his "performance" as far as
Cebu is concerned murag wa man ma recognized.

Sanvalente, daghang salamat for giving me the idea. :banana: Btw, you might still want to enrol in Cebuano Heritage Studies. Enrolment has been extended.

mga bai, it's only now that I've noticed that in the pediment of the Cebu Cathedral, there's an IHS inscription and directly below it is a "flaming heart."

The 1699 map of Cebu shows the cathedral on a part of a block bounded by the properties of the Jesuits and Augustinians. Any relation perhaps?


If the figure below the IHS is not a "flaming heart" then could it be instead part of the Jesuit symbol? (The figure below the IHS looks like a pear or heart pierced by three nails)

So perhaps the Cathedral sits on property owned by the Jesuits before?



Here's the stitched map:

http://images.acfs1982.multiply.com/image/2/photos/112/orig/1/1699_map_cebu.jpg?et=e%2B1rtwoOj5uTLifnHGhddw&nmid=105044683


And this is my only high res photo of the Cathedral:

http://images.cacchc.multiply.com/image/4/photos/8/orig/5/Cebu%20Metropolitan%20Cathedral.jpg?et=TxSLOthin7W03ci7ny%2CWiQ&nmid=90043823
//

Arnold, so this was the topic of your incomplete txt message earlier.. Anyway, I'm in the opinion that the IHS sign does not have anything to do with the Jesuits because I think there never was a Jesuit who sat as bishop of the diocese of Cebu.

If it was Bishop Santos Gomez Marañon who built the facade of the Cathedral, I'm sure he wouldn't also place the symbol of the Jesuits there because he was an Augustinian himself.

Of course, the Jesuits were still in Cebu during which the 1699 map was made but the IHS monogram on the pediment of the Cathedral would refer to the Most Holy Name of Jesus, the titular of the Diocese of Cebu and not that of an Augustinian mission-kumpitensya. :banana::lol::banana::lol::banana:

mga bai, it's only now that I've noticed that in the pediment of the Cebu Cathedral, there's an IHS inscription and directly below it is a "flaming heart."

The 1699 map of Cebu shows the cathedral on a part of a block bounded by the properties of the Jesuits and Augustinians. Any relation perhaps?


If the figure below the IHS is not a "flaming heart" then could it be instead part of the Jesuit symbol? (The figure below the IHS looks like a pear or heart pierced by three nails)

So perhaps the Cathedral sits on property owned by the Jesuits before?



Here's the stitched map:

http://images.acfs1982.multiply.com/image/2/photos/112/orig/1/1699_map_cebu.jpg?et=e%2B1rtwoOj5uTLifnHGhddw&nmid=105044683


And this is my only high res photo of the Cathedral:

http://images.cacchc.multiply.com/image/4/photos/8/orig/5/Cebu%20Metropolitan%20Cathedral.jpg?et=TxSLOthin7W03ci7ny%2CWiQ&nmid=90043823
//

Arnold, so this was the topic of your incomplete txt message earlier.. Anyway, I'm in the opinion that the IHS sign does not have anything to do with the Jesuits because I think there never was a Jesuit who sat as bishop of the diocese of Cebu.

If it was Bishop Santos Gomez Marañon who built the facade of the Cathedral, I'm sure he wouldn't also place the symbol of the Jesuits there because he was an Augustinian himself.

Of course, the Jesuits were still in Cebu during which the 1699 map was made but the IHS monogram on the pediment of the Cathedral would refer to the Most Holy Name of Jesus, the titular of the Diocese of Cebu and not that of an Augustinian mission-kumpitensya. :banana::lol::banana::lol::banana:

karon kay mahal naman ang gasolina ug basin momahal pa gyud ni, nakahunahuna ko nga basin higayon na ni sa mga "heritage advocate" nga mo-lobby sa gobyerno nga dili na paagi-an sa mga sakyanan ang karaang parte sa siyudad sa sugbo. sa alemanya gitawag ni nila ug "altstadt" ug dinha kasagaran wala nay sakyanan makaagi kay gihimo na siyang "fußgaenger zone" o pedestrian zone ... ang mga tawo dili na kinahanglan mosakay, maglakaw na lang, ug mao pod ning paborito nga lugar sa mga turista ... kay mga pinoy arte man kaayo magpahatod man gyud, pwede sab paagi-on ang mga tartanilla ... sa vienna, austria ilang "altstadt" bisan baho kaayog tae sa kabayo (kay duna may "tartanilla" maglabaylabay), daghan man gihapog turista. mao ni rota sa tartanilla niadtong gabii sa kabilin.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/935/tartanillaxv9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

karon kay mahal naman ang gasolina ug basin momahal pa gyud ni, nakahunahuna ko nga basin higayon na ni sa mga "heritage advocate" nga mo-lobby sa gobyerno nga dili na paagi-an sa mga sakyanan ang karaang parte sa siyudad sa sugbo. sa alemanya gitawag ni nila ug "altstadt" ug dinha kasagaran wala nay sakyanan makaagi kay gihimo na siyang "fußgaenger zone" o pedestrian zone ... ang mga tawo dili na kinahanglan mosakay, maglakaw na lang, ug mao pod ning paborito nga lugar sa mga turista ... kay mga pinoy arte man kaayo magpahatod man gyud, pwede sab paagi-on ang mga tartanilla ... sa vienna, austria ilang "altstadt" bisan baho kaayog tae sa kabayo (kay duna may "tartanilla" maglabaylabay), daghan man gihapog turista. mao ni rota sa tartanilla niadtong gabii sa kabilin.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/935/tartanillaxv9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

sige, sige, tartanilla or horse-drawn tranvia para sa tibuok downtown...syaro ug ma-problema pa ta sa plitehan

sige, sige, tartanilla or horse-drawn tranvia para sa tibuok downtown...syaro ug ma-problema pa ta sa plitehan

sige, sige, tartanilla or horse-drawn tranvia para sa tibuok downtown...syaro ug ma-problema pa ta sa plitehan

Nindot nga ideya pero maayo unta sundon sa mga drayber sa tartanilla ang gibuhat sa mga taga-Intramuros nga sawran og sako ang sampot sa kabayo aron masawd ang ilang hugaw, aron dili magkatag sa kadalanan.

sige, sige, tartanilla or horse-drawn tranvia para sa tibuok downtown...syaro ug ma-problema pa ta sa plitehan

Nindot nga ideya pero maayo unta sundon sa mga drayber sa tartanilla ang gibuhat sa mga taga-Intramuros nga sawran og sako ang sampot sa kabayo aron masawd ang ilang hugaw, aron dili magkatag sa kadalanan.

maayo ani, dili na pasudlon ang motorized vehicles (gawas kung private na mobayad ug toll fee) sa downtown area, mag-designate ug area kung asa ra sila pwede mohunong...nya didto sa ilang hunongan, naay mga tartanilla na mura ug taxi na pwede maka-adto bisan asa sa downtown, depende sa sabot...ug adto pud mohunong ang mga horse-drawn na tranvia na naay fixed na ruta parehas sa jeep

pwede pa gyud makanegosyo ang gobyerno ana ug fertilizer tungod sa ta* sa mga kabayo

maayo ani, dili na pasudlon ang motorized vehicles (gawas kung private na mobayad ug toll fee) sa downtown area, mag-designate ug area kung asa ra sila pwede mohunong...nya didto sa ilang hunongan, naay mga tartanilla na mura ug taxi na pwede maka-adto bisan asa sa downtown, depende sa sabot...ug adto pud mohunong ang mga horse-drawn na tranvia na naay fixed na ruta parehas sa jeep

pwede pa gyud makanegosyo ang gobyerno ana ug fertilizer tungod sa ta* sa mga kabayo

Gina sugod na ni sa uban lugar sa Filipinas kay mas barato daw. Ka-kita ko ani sa internet.

Rising fuel prices lead to comeback of carabaos, kalesas in Isabela (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/106017/Rising-fuel-prices-lead-to-comeback-of-carabaos-kalesas-in-Isabela)

SANTIAGO CITY, Philippines - First, the farmers of Isabela started using carabaos to till their lands. Now they've taken to reviving the use of the kalesa, that centuries-old horse-driven carriage.

In the old days, horses had a vital role in the life of Isabeleños, being not only a mode of transportation but also a source of food. Its meat was, and is still is, prized for its exotic taste when processed as tapa, or dried meat, or as filling for local longaniza.

It's not out of nostalgia that's making Isabeleños turn back to carabaos and horses. It's the weekly rise in fuel prices.

So lately, people from far-flung barrios in this northern province have began grooming their horses for their family’s transportation.

In this city, surviving family members of former coachmen, or kutseros, said they had been toying with the idea of reviving their kalesas since last year.

Mariano Lopez, a farmer resident of Barangay Sagana, said: "We are heavily affected by the high cost of gasoline. When we used carabaos again for land preparation, we found out that we are actually saving more. That’s why we thought of using kalesas to help us save more.”

Other residents were actually excited by the idea, particularly because Santiago City has become so highly urbanized that its pollution has worsened.

"It's better to use the kalesa, Dr. Chona Alvarez, a long-time resident of this city, said. "It does not add to pollution. And it's airy to ride in and the fare is cheaper."

Echague, a rustic town about 20 kilometers north of Santiago, is by no means no stranger to kalesa, having been highly influenced by Spanish culture.

Echague Councilor Walter Uy said: "We can adopt easily to it, why not? Kalesas are part of our culture, but as of now we in the Sanggunian are looking more into the promotion of bicycle use, since bicycles are easier and cheaper to acquire than horses."

Congressman Giorgidi Aggabao (4th District, Isabela) who himself is also a kalesa rider during his youth was ecstatic about the idea. “This idea already came from the masses, simple but a lot sensible than most ideas being floated by some government technocrats,” he said.

The last kalesa seen roaming the streets of this city was coached by the patriarch of the prominent Ilagan family until his death in the early 80’s. - GMANews.TV


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It once ruled the streets of the Philippines and was the main mode of transportation by the people for a long time. It was adapted during the Spanish colonization of the Philippines and survived the Japanese occupation during World War 2. It was still a widely used form of transportation, even with the adaptation of the jeepney, and fiercely competed with this new-comer on the roads and streets of the Philippines for decades. But as the demands for engine-driven vehicles in the Philippines grew, the Kalesa has taken a second place to the jeepney and, eventually third place (with the introduction of the tricycle) to the Filipino ways of getting around. Its use were eventually limited to the touristy areas like parts of Manila (The Bay areas and Divisoria), and Vigan (Ilocos Sur Province).

Today, the Land Transportation Office (LTO)–a governing agency that regulates the vehicles and drivers on Philippines highways, roads, and streets–limits the use of Kalesas for special events like Sagala and Santa Cruzan parades. To a fast-paced world we live in, Kalesa could no longer compete. Filipinos are always looking for a faster way to get where they’re going. And as more and more Kalesas fade in the background, more and more fuel consuming and smoke-belching vehicles take the highways, roads, and streets of this country at an alarming rate. The cost, of course, is an excessive amount of carbon dioxide released in the air. This air pollution could possibly lead to health problems and contribute to the destruction of the ozone layer that contributes to global warming.

I know that the carbon dioxide emission from gas and diesel vehicles is not the only culprit in the destruction of the environment in the Philippines. There are other culprits out there that destroy our environment. But it’s very obvious–even to the blind with a decent sense of smell–that the smoke belched from these gas and diesel vehicles contribute to the poor air qualities in this country. The Philippines is home for me and my family. One thing we don’t enjoy doing when we’re out on the road is having to contort our faces, and cover our nose and mouth with handkerchiefs because a smoke-belching vehicle passed by and left it mark for all of us to enjoy. So please, Philippines, do your part in helping solve Global Warming, by bringing the simplicity and environmentally friendly nature of a horse and carriage–Bring The Kalesa Back (http://philippinevoyager.wordpress.com/2007/05/31/the-philippines-can-do-its-part-to-help-solve-global-warming-bring-the-kalesa-back/).

Gina sugod na ni sa uban lugar sa Filipinas kay mas barato daw. Ka-kita ko ani sa internet.

Rising fuel prices lead to comeback of carabaos, kalesas in Isabela (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/106017/Rising-fuel-prices-lead-to-comeback-of-carabaos-kalesas-in-Isabela)

SANTIAGO CITY, Philippines - First, the farmers of Isabela started using carabaos to till their lands. Now they've taken to reviving the use of the kalesa, that centuries-old horse-driven carriage.

In the old days, horses had a vital role in the life of Isabeleños, being not only a mode of transportation but also a source of food. Its meat was, and is still is, prized for its exotic taste when processed as tapa, or dried meat, or as filling for local longaniza.

It's not out of nostalgia that's making Isabeleños turn back to carabaos and horses. It's the weekly rise in fuel prices.

So lately, people from far-flung barrios in this northern province have began grooming their horses for their family’s transportation.

In this city, surviving family members of former coachmen, or kutseros, said they had been toying with the idea of reviving their kalesas since last year.

Mariano Lopez, a farmer resident of Barangay Sagana, said: "We are heavily affected by the high cost of gasoline. When we used carabaos again for land preparation, we found out that we are actually saving more. That’s why we thought of using kalesas to help us save more.”

Other residents were actually excited by the idea, particularly because Santiago City has become so highly urbanized that its pollution has worsened.

"It's better to use the kalesa, Dr. Chona Alvarez, a long-time resident of this city, said. "It does not add to pollution. And it's airy to ride in and the fare is cheaper."

Echague, a rustic town about 20 kilometers north of Santiago, is by no means no stranger to kalesa, having been highly influenced by Spanish culture.

Echague Councilor Walter Uy said: "We can adopt easily to it, why not? Kalesas are part of our culture, but as of now we in the Sanggunian are looking more into the promotion of bicycle use, since bicycles are easier and cheaper to acquire than horses."

Congressman Giorgidi Aggabao (4th District, Isabela) who himself is also a kalesa rider during his youth was ecstatic about the idea. “This idea already came from the masses, simple but a lot sensible than most ideas being floated by some government technocrats,” he said.

The last kalesa seen roaming the streets of this city was coached by the patriarch of the prominent Ilagan family until his death in the early 80’s. - GMANews.TV


---

It once ruled the streets of the Philippines and was the main mode of transportation by the people for a long time. It was adapted during the Spanish colonization of the Philippines and survived the Japanese occupation during World War 2. It was still a widely used form of transportation, even with the adaptation of the jeepney, and fiercely competed with this new-comer on the roads and streets of the Philippines for decades. But as the demands for engine-driven vehicles in the Philippines grew, the Kalesa has taken a second place to the jeepney and, eventually third place (with the introduction of the tricycle) to the Filipino ways of getting around. Its use were eventually limited to the touristy areas like parts of Manila (The Bay areas and Divisoria), and Vigan (Ilocos Sur Province).

Today, the Land Transportation Office (LTO)–a governing agency that regulates the vehicles and drivers on Philippines highways, roads, and streets–limits the use of Kalesas for special events like Sagala and Santa Cruzan parades. To a fast-paced world we live in, Kalesa could no longer compete. Filipinos are always looking for a faster way to get where they’re going. And as more and more Kalesas fade in the background, more and more fuel consuming and smoke-belching vehicles take the highways, roads, and streets of this country at an alarming rate. The cost, of course, is an excessive amount of carbon dioxide released in the air. This air pollution could possibly lead to health problems and contribute to the destruction of the ozone layer that contributes to global warming.

I know that the carbon dioxide emission from gas and diesel vehicles is not the only culprit in the destruction of the environment in the Philippines. There are other culprits out there that destroy our environment. But it’s very obvious–even to the blind with a decent sense of smell–that the smoke belched from these gas and diesel vehicles contribute to the poor air qualities in this country. The Philippines is home for me and my family. One thing we don’t enjoy doing when we’re out on the road is having to contort our faces, and cover our nose and mouth with handkerchiefs because a smoke-belching vehicle passed by and left it mark for all of us to enjoy. So please, Philippines, do your part in helping solve Global Warming, by bringing the simplicity and environmentally friendly nature of a horse and carriage–Bring The Kalesa Back (http://philippinevoyager.wordpress.com/2007/05/31/the-philippines-can-do-its-part-to-help-solve-global-warming-bring-the-kalesa-back/).

naa diay significant na English (taga-England) population ang Cebu sa una? naa man Club Ingles diha sa map...

naa diay significant na English (taga-England) population ang Cebu sa una? naa man Club Ingles diha sa map...

Bai Gee, daghan salamat sa posting nimo sa old municipio with the sto nino in the
foreground even if the image is not clear... i know one of these days mogawas ra
na ang uban nga old pictures. am curious on the design of the old municipio which
until now i am still looking. Interesting maps by Falek!

Bai Gee, daghan salamat sa posting nimo sa old municipio with the sto nino in the
foreground even if the image is not clear... i know one of these days mogawas ra
na ang uban nga old pictures. am curious on the design of the old municipio which
until now i am still looking. Interesting maps by Falek!

Bai Gee, daghan salamat sa posting nimo sa old municipio with the sto nino in the
foreground even if the image is not clear... i know one of these days mogawas ra
na ang uban nga old pictures. am curious on the design of the old municipio which
until now i am still looking. Interesting maps by Falek!

^^ way sapayan bai. kung gusto kag klaro nga hulagway sa karaan nga munisipyo tan-awa sa "life in old parian" ako ra ning gipicturan kay wa koy scanner:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9918/dsc01277pq3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Bai Gee, daghan salamat sa posting nimo sa old municipio with the sto nino in the
foreground even if the image is not clear... i know one of these days mogawas ra
na ang uban nga old pictures. am curious on the design of the old municipio which
until now i am still looking. Interesting maps by Falek!

^^ way sapayan bai. kung gusto kag klaro nga hulagway sa karaan nga munisipyo tan-awa sa "life in old parian" ako ra ning gipicturan kay wa koy scanner:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9918/dsc01277pq3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

from: http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/07/16/bus/osme.a.republic.of.cebu.html

Republic of Cebu
By Antonio V. Osmeña

IT might be worthwhile to note that the Spanish forces evacuated the island of Cebu on Dec. 25, 1898, having first appointed a provisional governor.

Shortly thereafter, native inhabitants, formerly in insurrection (229 US 416,421) against Spain took possession of the island, formed a so-called republic, and administered the affairs of the area until possession was surrendered to the United States (US) on Feb. 22, 1899.

Before this, no authorities of the United States had been on the island. The US had not been in possession or occupation of the island, it having been up to that time in the actual physical possession of the Spanish and the people in the area.

No less than the US Supreme Court has recognized the de facto government of Cebu as evidenced in the Bluefields Case, a full account of which is govern in 1 Moore’s International Law Digest, pp. 49 et. seq.

In that case, General Reyes had headed an insurrectionary movement at Bluefields and acquired actual control of the Mosquito Territory in Nicaragua.

His control continued for a short time only, between Feb. 3 to 25, 1899. After the re-establishment of the Nicaraguan Government at Bluefields, it demanded of American merchants the payment of certain amounts of duty, which it had been compelled to pay the insurgent authorities during the period of their de facto control.

It is also noteworthy to recall that in 1860 the Spanish Government issued a decree opening the Port of Cebu to direct foreign trade. In 1863, foreign vessels began to appear in Cebu to take on cargoes of sugar and hemp for direct shipment to ports outside the Philippines.

By 1866, in response to the new economic opportunities, four major foreign business houses had established agencies in Cebu.

For Cebu, sugar and hemp, the primary export products, moved directly to foreign markets, mainly through the agency of British and American commercial houses (MacLead & Co).

Cebu, as one mid-18th century resident noted, was a place “where no one can live without barter and trade.” Foreign merchant houses rapidly became the port’s leading creditors. By loaning large sums to local merchants, mainly mestizos, they established a commercial network that reached deep into the Cebu trade areas; more than ever before the municipalities of Cebu and neighboring provinces became economically linked to the city.

This money, together with local capital, was distributed into the sugar-, abaca- and, later, tobacco-growing areas of the region through agents (personeros) who supervised the collection and shipment of these products to the Port of Cebu. Here they were processed, weighed, stored and sold to foreign merchant houses for export.

The de facto Republic of Cebu, which was recognized by the United States Supreme Court, was the result of the suit brought in court of claims to recover from the US the amount of certain duties paid by the partnership of MacLeod & Co. under protest upon a cargo of rice imported into the island of Cebu at the city and port of the same name, in the Philippine islands, on Jan. 29, 1899.

Historically, the statement of the facts shows that the insurgent government was in actual possession of the customhouse at Cebu, with power to enforce the collection of duties there, as it did. Such government was of the class of de facto governments described in 1 Moore’s International Law Digest 41.

Who then were the political leaders at that time of the de facto Republic of Cebu?

It is but fitting for the people of Cebu to celebrate yearly the Republic of Cebu (Dec. 25 to Feb. 22), which incidentally coincides with Christmas and feast of Senor Sto. Nino. The yearly celebration will showcase the entrepreneurial talents of the Cebuanos in international trade since the mid-18th century.

The Cebuano community should try to recognize these entrepreneurial Cebuanos who have made Cebu’s vibrant economy as it is today.

However, the energy crisis and soaring food prices should now be a priority concern of our politicians, as well as civic and business leaders, in bringing about an alternative energy to show the resiliency of the people of the “Republic of Cebu.”

Let us be proud of having been a republic in our country, even once upon a time.

from: http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/07/16/bus/osme.a.republic.of.cebu.html

Republic of Cebu
By Antonio V. Osmeña

IT might be worthwhile to note that the Spanish forces evacuated the island of Cebu on Dec. 25, 1898, having first appointed a provisional governor.

Shortly thereafter, native inhabitants, formerly in insurrection (229 US 416,421) against Spain took possession of the island, formed a so-called republic, and administered the affairs of the area until possession was surrendered to the United States (US) on Feb. 22, 1899.

Before this, no authorities of the United States had been on the island. The US had not been in possession or occupation of the island, it having been up to that time in the actual physical possession of the Spanish and the people in the area.

No less than the US Supreme Court has recognized the de facto government of Cebu as evidenced in the Bluefields Case, a full account of which is govern in 1 Moore’s International Law Digest, pp. 49 et. seq.

In that case, General Reyes had headed an insurrectionary movement at Bluefields and acquired actual control of the Mosquito Territory in Nicaragua.

His control continued for a short time only, between Feb. 3 to 25, 1899. After the re-establishment of the Nicaraguan Government at Bluefields, it demanded of American merchants the payment of certain amounts of duty, which it had been compelled to pay the insurgent authorities during the period of their de facto control.

It is also noteworthy to recall that in 1860 the Spanish Government issued a decree opening the Port of Cebu to direct foreign trade. In 1863, foreign vessels began to appear in Cebu to take on cargoes of sugar and hemp for direct shipment to ports outside the Philippines.

By 1866, in response to the new economic opportunities, four major foreign business houses had established agencies in Cebu.

For Cebu, sugar and hemp, the primary export products, moved directly to foreign markets, mainly through the agency of British and American commercial houses (MacLead & Co).

Cebu, as one mid-18th century resident noted, was a place “where no one can live without barter and trade.” Foreign merchant houses rapidly became the port’s leading creditors. By loaning large sums to local merchants, mainly mestizos, they established a commercial network that reached deep into the Cebu trade areas; more than ever before the municipalities of Cebu and neighboring provinces became economically linked to the city.

This money, together with local capital, was distributed into the sugar-, abaca- and, later, tobacco-growing areas of the region through agents (personeros) who supervised the collection and shipment of these products to the Port of Cebu. Here they were processed, weighed, stored and sold to foreign merchant houses for export.

The de facto Republic of Cebu, which was recognized by the United States Supreme Court, was the result of the suit brought in court of claims to recover from the US the amount of certain duties paid by the partnership of MacLeod & Co. under protest upon a cargo of rice imported into the island of Cebu at the city and port of the same name, in the Philippine islands, on Jan. 29, 1899.

Historically, the statement of the facts shows that the insurgent government was in actual possession of the customhouse at Cebu, with power to enforce the collection of duties there, as it did. Such government was of the class of de facto governments described in 1 Moore’s International Law Digest 41.

Who then were the political leaders at that time of the de facto Republic of Cebu?

It is but fitting for the people of Cebu to celebrate yearly the Republic of Cebu (Dec. 25 to Feb. 22), which incidentally coincides with Christmas and feast of Senor Sto. Nino. The yearly celebration will showcase the entrepreneurial talents of the Cebuanos in international trade since the mid-18th century.

The Cebuano community should try to recognize these entrepreneurial Cebuanos who have made Cebu’s vibrant economy as it is today.

However, the energy crisis and soaring food prices should now be a priority concern of our politicians, as well as civic and business leaders, in bringing about an alternative energy to show the resiliency of the people of the “Republic of Cebu.”

Let us be proud of having been a republic in our country, even once upon a time.

^^ I hope the Cebuanos would be aware of this Republic they once have, like most of the Negrenses who are aware of their Cantonal Republic back then.

^^ I hope the Cebuanos would be aware of this Republic they once have, like most of the Negrenses who are aware of their Cantonal Republic back then.

naa pay existing na documents to add more proof to the existence of this republic? maybe communiques between the leaders, a set of ordinances perhaps, maybe a list of officials, or even a draft for a constitution?

naa pay existing na documents to add more proof to the existence of this republic? maybe communiques between the leaders, a set of ordinances perhaps, maybe a list of officials, or even a draft for a constitution?

naa pay existing na documents to add more proof to the existence of this republic? maybe communiques between the leaders, a set of ordinances perhaps, maybe a list of officials, or even a draft for a constitution?

Read Resil Mojares' "The War Against the Americans" (Ateneo Press, 1999).

His footnotes provide the documentary sources for the republican period in Cebu's history. Cebuano Studies Center has photocopies of the elections for the provisional council. The election was reported by the council secretary, Leoncio Alburo.

naa pay existing na documents to add more proof to the existence of this republic? maybe communiques between the leaders, a set of ordinances perhaps, maybe a list of officials, or even a draft for a constitution?

Read Resil Mojares' "The War Against the Americans" (Ateneo Press, 1999).

His footnotes provide the documentary sources for the republican period in Cebu's history. Cebuano Studies Center has photocopies of the elections for the provisional council. The election was reported by the council secretary, Leoncio Alburo.

^^ I hope the Cebuanos would be aware of this Republic they once have, like most of the Negrenses who are aware of their Cantonal Republic back then.


Cebuanos are not aware of so many things. Not just the republican period. lolzzzz.....:bash:

^^ I hope the Cebuanos would be aware of this Republic they once have, like most of the Negrenses who are aware of their Cantonal Republic back then.


Cebuanos are not aware of so many things. Not just the republican period. lolzzzz.....:bash:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7307/dsc01267ct5.gif (http://imageshack.us)
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7307/dsc01267ct5.44ec9bb14e.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=120&i=dsc01267ct5.gif)

Mga Bai,

VM Mike Rama just called up a meeting this afternoon regarding the Inauguration of the newly renovated Legislative Bldg (City Hall) on July 24 or 25, 2008, GMA will be coming for that occasion. Included in the inauguration is also the newly developed and new landscaping of the Magellan's Cross Plaza (Plaza Rizal) and it's going to be one of the showcases of Cebu City as far as its heritage is concerned. I think they will name the plaza as Ciudad Plaza or Sugbu Plaza. It's gonna be a long heritage walk,
from Parian/Colon/Mabini/P.Burgos/Cathedral/Sto Nino/Magallanes/Plaza Rizal/
Fort San Pedro/Plaza Independencia/Aduana/Compania Maritima.

The photo above as compared to the original is just but about 2/3 of the whole photo. This photo is the cover of Resil Mojares' book "Casa Gorordo".
If only we can have a clear copy of it and enlarge then put it in the lobby
of City Hall then simply beautiful. Mike is asking for it actually.

Bai Archaeologue, Mr. Mojares does not know me personally, can you somehow request him so we can give it to Mike? Maybe it's one of the
collections of the Aboitiz Foundation who sponsored the publication of
the book.

Thanks and regards.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7307/dsc01267ct5.gif (http://imageshack.us)
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7307/dsc01267ct5.44ec9bb14e.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=120&i=dsc01267ct5.gif)

Mga Bai,

VM Mike Rama just called up a meeting this afternoon regarding the Inauguration of the newly renovated Legislative Bldg (City Hall) on July 24 or 25, 2008, GMA will be coming for that occasion. Included in the inauguration is also the newly developed and new landscaping of the Magellan's Cross Plaza (Plaza Rizal) and it's going to be one of the showcases of Cebu City as far as its heritage is concerned. I think they will name the plaza as Ciudad Plaza or Sugbu Plaza. It's gonna be a long heritage walk,
from Parian/Colon/Mabini/P.Burgos/Cathedral/Sto Nino/Magallanes/Plaza Rizal/
Fort San Pedro/Plaza Independencia/Aduana/Compania Maritima.

The photo above as compared to the original is just but about 2/3 of the whole photo. This photo is the cover of Resil Mojares' book "Casa Gorordo".
If only we can have a clear copy of it and enlarge then put it in the lobby
of City Hall then simply beautiful. Mike is asking for it actually.

Bai Archaeologue, Mr. Mojares does not know me personally, can you somehow request him so we can give it to Mike? Maybe it's one of the
collections of the Aboitiz Foundation who sponsored the publication of
the book.

Thanks and regards.

while walking to the Cebu Carmel from IT park, i passed by the gate of some kind of a local heritage organization right across Blessed John Seminary...is anyone here affiliated with that organization?

while walking to the Cebu Carmel from IT park, i passed by the gate of some kind of a local heritage organization right across Blessed John Seminary...is anyone here affiliated with that organization?

Cebuanos are not aware of so many things. Not just the republican period. lolzzzz.....:bash:

The effort of "masifying" or "popularizing" history amongst us Filipinos would sure bring a different people amongst. Sad, like most Filipinos are not aware of so many things...

Cebuanos are not aware of so many things. Not just the republican period. lolzzzz.....:bash:

The effort of "masifying" or "popularizing" history amongst us Filipinos would sure bring a different people amongst. Sad, like most Filipinos are not aware of so many things...

while walking to the Cebu Carmel from IT park, i passed by the gate of some kind of a local heritage organization right across Blessed John Seminary...is anyone here affiliated with that organization?

What's the name of the org?

while walking to the Cebu Carmel from IT park, i passed by the gate of some kind of a local heritage organization right across Blessed John Seminary...is anyone here affiliated with that organization?

What's the name of the org?

^^sorry i forgot...i was deep in thought about my recent interview at etel :lol:

basta i think it had the words "Cebu" or was it "Sugbu" and the word "Center"...i assumed that it was a heritage conservation society because of the 'old-world' feel on the signage and the building's gate...i'll try checking it out again...

^^sorry i forgot...i was deep in thought about my recent interview at etel :lol:

basta i think it had the words "Cebu" or was it "Sugbu" and the word "Center"...i assumed that it was a heritage conservation society because of the 'old-world' feel on the signage and the building's gate...i'll try checking it out again...

^^ Sugbo Center...If I'm not mistaken that is one of the study centers of Opus Dei if that is along Juan Luna Avenue in Mabolo.

^^ Sugbo Center...If I'm not mistaken that is one of the study centers of Opus Dei if that is along Juan Luna Avenue in Mabolo.

^^AHHH...hahaha...silly me...:lol: :rofl:

^^AHHH...hahaha...silly me...:lol: :rofl:

^^

That is OPUS DEI..

Feel free to go inside, they have a library and chapel there. You can also get to talk with the people there. They have recollection every first thursday of the month, 6pm to 8pm...



@sanvalante

I hope the newly rehabilitated park in Magellans Cross-City Hall will have pipe-in music and free WIFI just like in Argao, hehe...

Mandaue Plaza diay, naa na pod Wifi...


...

^^

That is OPUS DEI..

Feel free to go inside, they have a library and chapel there. You can also get to talk with the people there. They have recollection every first thursday of the month, 6pm to 8pm...



@sanvalante

I hope the newly rehabilitated park in Magellans Cross-City Hall will have pipe-in music and free WIFI just like in Argao, hehe...

Mandaue Plaza diay, naa na pod Wifi...


...

^^sorry i forgot...i was deep in thought about my recent interview at etel :lol:

basta i think it had the words "Cebu" or was it "Sugbu" and the word "Center"...i assumed that it was a heritage conservation society because of the 'old-world' feel on the signage and the building's gate...i'll try checking it out again...

Sugbo Study Center

^^sorry i forgot...i was deep in thought about my recent interview at etel :lol:

basta i think it had the words "Cebu" or was it "Sugbu" and the word "Center"...i assumed that it was a heritage conservation society because of the 'old-world' feel on the signage and the building's gate...i'll try checking it out again...

Sugbo Study Center

Mga Bai,

VM Mike Rama just called up a meeting this afternoon regarding the Inauguration of the newly renovated Legislative Bldg (City Hall) on July 24 or 25, 2008, GMA will be coming for that occasion. Included in the inauguration is also the newly developed and new landscaping of the Magellan's Cross Plaza (Plaza Rizal) and it's going to be one of the showcases of Cebu City as far as its heritage is concerned. I think they will name the plaza as Ciudad Plaza or Sugbu Plaza. It's gonna be a long heritage walk,
from Parian/Colon/Mabini/P.Burgos/Cathedral/Sto Nino/Magallanes/Plaza Rizal/
Fort San Pedro/Plaza Independencia/Aduana/Compania Maritima.

The photo above as compared to the original is just but about 2/3 of the whole photo. This photo is the cover of Resil Mojares' book "Casa Gorordo".
If only we can have a clear copy of it and enlarge then put it in the lobby
of City Hall then simply beautiful. Mike is asking for it actually.

Bai Archaeologue, Mr. Mojares does not know me personally, can you somehow request him so we can give it to Mike? Maybe it's one of the
collections of the Aboitiz Foundation who sponsored the publication of
the book.

Thanks and regards.

You only have to go to the Cebuano Studies Center for this. There are photos there of old Cebu. What you do is bring a camera then probably digitize the picture or bring a professional photographer to do it.

Mga Bai,

VM Mike Rama just called up a meeting this afternoon regarding the Inauguration of the newly renovated Legislative Bldg (City Hall) on July 24 or 25, 2008, GMA will be coming for that occasion. Included in the inauguration is also the newly developed and new landscaping of the Magellan's Cross Plaza (Plaza Rizal) and it's going to be one of the showcases of Cebu City as far as its heritage is concerned. I think they will name the plaza as Ciudad Plaza or Sugbu Plaza. It's gonna be a long heritage walk,
from Parian/Colon/Mabini/P.Burgos/Cathedral/Sto Nino/Magallanes/Plaza Rizal/
Fort San Pedro/Plaza Independencia/Aduana/Compania Maritima.

The photo above as compared to the original is just but about 2/3 of the whole photo. This photo is the cover of Resil Mojares' book "Casa Gorordo".
If only we can have a clear copy of it and enlarge then put it in the lobby
of City Hall then simply beautiful. Mike is asking for it actually.

Bai Archaeologue, Mr. Mojares does not know me personally, can you somehow request him so we can give it to Mike? Maybe it's one of the
collections of the Aboitiz Foundation who sponsored the publication of
the book.

Thanks and regards.

You only have to go to the Cebuano Studies Center for this. There are photos there of old Cebu. What you do is bring a camera then probably digitize the picture or bring a professional photographer to do it.

Cebuanos are not aware of so many things. Not just the republican period. lolzzzz.....:bash:

Plenty. Plenty of them. In fact some of my officemates are clueless why the street named before is Mango Avenue, who is Leon Kilat, and among others, which in fact I am not a native of Cebu.

I realized that there was a republic in Philippine Islands called Republic of Cebu. Shall we revive it again? :tongue2: :lol:

Cebuanos are not aware of so many things. Not just the republican period. lolzzzz.....:bash:

Plenty. Plenty of them. In fact some of my officemates are clueless why the street named before is Mango Avenue, who is Leon Kilat, and among others, which in fact I am not a native of Cebu.

I realized that there was a republic in Philippine Islands called Republic of Cebu. Shall we revive it again? :tongue2: :lol:

^^ i know why it's named mango avenue. an old taxi driver once told me the story behind the name. he told me that long time ago the street was lined with mango trees from the national bookstore down to the school now known as USC north campus. but at present i think the only trees left were those at the USC north campus.

^^ i know why it's named mango avenue. an old taxi driver once told me the story behind the name. he told me that long time ago the street was lined with mango trees from the national bookstore down to the school now known as USC north campus. but at present i think the only trees left were those at the USC north campus.

^^naa pud usa nahabilin likod sa One Mango Place (or basin saha na to siya sa original mango trees)

pero at least now that it's named Gen. Maxilom Ave., Gen. Maxilom would get the credit he deserved for helping in the liberation of Cebu from the Spaniards

^^naa pud usa nahabilin likod sa One Mango Place (or basin saha na to siya sa original mango trees)

pero at least now that it's named Gen. Maxilom Ave., Gen. Maxilom would get the credit he deserved for helping in the liberation of Cebu from the Spaniards

bai, naa ko pdf ani pero select chapters lang devoted to spanish colonial structures. i scanned these from Fr. Galende's copy. Tua hinuon sa Makati karon.

I saw a 2nd hand copy in SM Megamall last year but it was priced at 12k!


^^

so you have a photocopy of it? can i photocopy? :D :D :D :D

hehehehehehehhehehe...

bai, naa ko pdf ani pero select chapters lang devoted to spanish colonial structures. i scanned these from Fr. Galende's copy. Tua hinuon sa Makati karon.

I saw a 2nd hand copy in SM Megamall last year but it was priced at 12k!


^^

so you have a photocopy of it? can i photocopy? :D :D :D :D

hehehehehehehhehehe...

Plenty. Plenty of them. In fact some of my officemates are clueless why the street named before is Mango Avenue, who is Leon Kilat, and among others, which in fact I am not a native of Cebu.

I realized that there was a republic in Philippine Islands called Republic of Cebu. Shall we revive it again? :tongue2: :lol:

I have to be the bearer of the bad news: There was never a Republic of Cebu.

The consejo popular (people's council) that was established here was an adjunct to the Philippine Republic. In fact, the revolutionaries here were in constant communication with Mabini during the three months of the council's existence.

On December 29, 1898, five days after the Christmas eve departure of the Spaniards for Zamboanga, the Philippine flag, the same design as that of the one Aguinaldo raised at Kawit, was also raised at Fort San Pedro in a daylong festivity.

Thus Mojares writes in "The War Against the Americans", p. 10:

"On 29 December 1898 and 22 February 1899, the Philippine Republic held sway in Cebu."


Aguinaldo even telegrammed his congratulatory message to the revolutionaries in Cebu.

The elections that followed were in fact for provincial and municipal officials---not for some republican president and cabinet. There was no other constitution followed in Cebu except the Malolos Constitution, codified about a month before the end of the republican period.


There are factors why the Republic of Negros was established as a separate cantonal republic (as was Bohol and, probably Iloilo, if I'm not mistaken). These factors were not in Cebu.

The revolution here was, in fact, headed largely by people who were either Tagalogs (like Pantaleon Del Rosario) or had constant contact with the Katipunan in Manila (like Gervacio Minoza and other maquinistas of the weekly mail boats that brought not only the mail but also the revolution to Cebu).

Plenty. Plenty of them. In fact some of my officemates are clueless why the street named before is Mango Avenue, who is Leon Kilat, and among others, which in fact I am not a native of Cebu.

I realized that there was a republic in Philippine Islands called Republic of Cebu. Shall we revive it again? :tongue2: :lol:

I have to be the bearer of the bad news: There was never a Republic of Cebu.

The consejo popular (people's council) that was established here was an adjunct to the Philippine Republic. In fact, the revolutionaries here were in constant communication with Mabini during the three months of the council's existence.

On December 29, 1898, five days after the Christmas eve departure of the Spaniards for Zamboanga, the Philippine flag, the same design as that of the one Aguinaldo raised at Kawit, was also raised at Fort San Pedro in a daylong festivity.

Thus Mojares writes in "The War Against the Americans", p. 10:

"On 29 December 1898 and 22 February 1899, the Philippine Republic held sway in Cebu."


Aguinaldo even telegrammed his congratulatory message to the revolutionaries in Cebu.

The elections that followed were in fact for provincial and municipal officials---not for some republican president and cabinet. There was no other constitution followed in Cebu except the Malolos Constitution, codified about a month before the end of the republican period.


There are factors why the Republic of Negros was established as a separate cantonal republic (as was Bohol and, probably Iloilo, if I'm not mistaken). These factors were not in Cebu.

The revolution here was, in fact, headed largely by people who were either Tagalogs (like Pantaleon Del Rosario) or had constant contact with the Katipunan in Manila (like Gervacio Minoza and other maquinistas of the weekly mail boats that brought not only the mail but also the revolution to Cebu).

from: http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/07/16/bus/osme.a.republic.of.cebu.html

Republic of Cebu
By Antonio V. Osmeña

IT might be worthwhile to note that the Spanish forces evacuated the island of Cebu on Dec. 25, 1898, having first appointed a provisional governor.

Shortly thereafter, native inhabitants, formerly in insurrection (229 US 416,421) against Spain took possession of the island, formed a so-called republic, and administered the affairs of the area until possession was surrendered to the United States (US) on Feb. 22, 1899.

Who then were the political leaders at that time of the de facto Republic of Cebu?



This is patently wrong. There was no Republic of Cebu...neither de facto nor de jure...You will not find any single document of declaration of a so-called Republic of Cebu, unlike that of Negros, which had its declaration under Gen. Lacson.

Some people just want to embellish history to suit a present need. Unfortunately, documents will not support this.

We never seceded from the Republica Filipina established following the June 12 declaration of independence at Kawit, Cavite. We were a province of the republic and so today we suffer because we are just a province of the troubled republic called the Philippines.

Be that as it may, this is no reason to invent history just to show that we were once independent of the Philippines.

In fact, we all were. That is, before 1565, the year when Legazpi placed all our islands under Spain without asking our permission.

from: http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/07/16/bus/osme.a.republic.of.cebu.html

Republic of Cebu
By Antonio V. Osmeña

IT might be worthwhile to note that the Spanish forces evacuated the island of Cebu on Dec. 25, 1898, having first appointed a provisional governor.

Shortly thereafter, native inhabitants, formerly in insurrection (229 US 416,421) against Spain took possession of the island, formed a so-called republic, and administered the affairs of the area until possession was surrendered to the United States (US) on Feb. 22, 1899.

Who then were the political leaders at that time of the de facto Republic of Cebu?



This is patently wrong. There was no Republic of Cebu...neither de facto nor de jure...You will not find any single document of declaration of a so-called Republic of Cebu, unlike that of Negros, which had its declaration under Gen. Lacson.

Some people just want to embellish history to suit a present need. Unfortunately, documents will not support this.

We never seceded from the Republica Filipina established following the June 12 declaration of independence at Kawit, Cavite. We were a province of the republic and so today we suffer because we are just a province of the troubled republic called the Philippines.

Be that as it may, this is no reason to invent history just to show that we were once independent of the Philippines.

In fact, we all were. That is, before 1565, the year when Legazpi placed all our islands under Spain without asking our permission.

"The act has the scope given to it in the case of United States v. Heinszen, 206 U.S. 370 , 51 L. ed. 1098, 27 Sup. Ct. Rep. 742, 11 Ann. Cas. 688; namely, to ratify [229 U.S. 416, 435] 'the collection of the duties levied under the order of the President;' which, as we have seen, were tariff duties imposed at ports in the occupation and possession of the United States. The tariff duties upon the cargo of rice here in question were paid to the de facto authorities at Cebu, where the cargo was entered, and the payment made at Manila was not a tariff duty, but an illegal and unwarranted exaction in the nature of a penalty, covered by neither the orders of the President nor the ratifying acts of Congress."

TSK..TSK..TSK

1.AV Osmena did not mention this one, why?
2.Nowhere in the said decision was the word "Republic of Cebu", why should he make
a historical conclusion?
3.Connecting history to one's own motives is okay with me as long as it's really
history in the real sense and not skewed.

Lesson: Don't mess with history...

"The act has the scope given to it in the case of United States v. Heinszen, 206 U.S. 370 , 51 L. ed. 1098, 27 Sup. Ct. Rep. 742, 11 Ann. Cas. 688; namely, to ratify [229 U.S. 416, 435] 'the collection of the duties levied under the order of the President;' which, as we have seen, were tariff duties imposed at ports in the occupation and possession of the United States. The tariff duties upon the cargo of rice here in question were paid to the de facto authorities at Cebu, where the cargo was entered, and the payment made at Manila was not a tariff duty, but an illegal and unwarranted exaction in the nature of a penalty, covered by neither the orders of the President nor the ratifying acts of Congress."

TSK..TSK..TSK

1.AV Osmena did not mention this one, why?
2.Nowhere in the said decision was the word "Republic of Cebu", why should he make
a historical conclusion?
3.Connecting history to one's own motives is okay with me as long as it's really
history in the real sense and not skewed.

Lesson: Don't mess with history...

http://www.usc.edu.ph/news_and_announcements/?news=256

Fulbright professor affiliates with Cebuano Studies Center

Dr. Michael Cullinane, assistant director of the Center for Southeast Asian Studies of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, is currently in the Philippines on a Fulbright Senior Research Fellowship. He is affiliated with both the History Department of the Ateneo de Manila University and the Cebuano Studies Center of USC.

Dr. Cullinane's research project is titled, "The Urban Origins of the Cebu Political Elite, 1757-1940." The emphasis of the project is on a close study of the emergence of an urban elite in Cebu City's Parian, especially from the 18th century to 1860, and more broadly throughout the city since the 1860s. Emphasis will be placed on the movement of urban-based elites into various municipalities of Cebu Province during the 19th century and on the impact these movements had on transforming local social and economic elites. In addition, the project will emphasize the subsequent impact of the political institutions implemented in the 20th century by the Americans, in particular the introduction of municipal and provincial elections, resulting in a province-wide politics that was soon dominated by urban-based families with strong links to the municipalities. In addition, Dr. Cullinane will pursue long-standing research projects pertaining to the history of Cebu City and Province.

Dr. Cullinane served as resource speaker during the 3rd plenary session of the Cebu Town History Project last July 12. He will also give a lecture, together with Dr. Resil Mojares, emeritus professor, during a Family History Writing Workshop on August 16. The workshop is sponsored by the Hamiling Binilin (HAMBIN), a heritage advocacy group composed of graduates of the Cebuano Heritage Studies Program of USC.

This is Dr. Cullinane's second research fellowship from the Fulbright. His first assignment to Cebu was, however, as a Peace Corps Volunteer in the 1970s. With his help, the Cebuano Studies Center was established in 1975.

Author: Cebuano Studies Center
17 / July / 2008

http://www.usc.edu.ph/news_and_announcements/?news=256

Fulbright professor affiliates with Cebuano Studies Center

Dr. Michael Cullinane, assistant director of the Center for Southeast Asian Studies of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, is currently in the Philippines on a Fulbright Senior Research Fellowship. He is affiliated with both the History Department of the Ateneo de Manila University and the Cebuano Studies Center of USC.

Dr. Cullinane's research project is titled, "The Urban Origins of the Cebu Political Elite, 1757-1940." The emphasis of the project is on a close study of the emergence of an urban elite in Cebu City's Parian, especially from the 18th century to 1860, and more broadly throughout the city since the 1860s. Emphasis will be placed on the movement of urban-based elites into various municipalities of Cebu Province during the 19th century and on the impact these movements had on transforming local social and economic elites. In addition, the project will emphasize the subsequent impact of the political institutions implemented in the 20th century by the Americans, in particular the introduction of municipal and provincial elections, resulting in a province-wide politics that was soon dominated by urban-based families with strong links to the municipalities. In addition, Dr. Cullinane will pursue long-standing research projects pertaining to the history of Cebu City and Province.

Dr. Cullinane served as resource speaker during the 3rd plenary session of the Cebu Town History Project last July 12. He will also give a lecture, together with Dr. Resil Mojares, emeritus professor, during a Family History Writing Workshop on August 16. The workshop is sponsored by the Hamiling Binilin (HAMBIN), a heritage advocacy group composed of graduates of the Cebuano Heritage Studies Program of USC.

This is Dr. Cullinane's second research fellowship from the Fulbright. His first assignment to Cebu was, however, as a Peace Corps Volunteer in the 1970s. With his help, the Cebuano Studies Center was established in 1975.

Author: Cebuano Studies Center
17 / July / 2008

http://www.usc.edu.ph/news_and_announcements/?news=256

Fulbright professor affiliates with Cebuano Studies Center

Dr. Michael Cullinane, assistant director of the Center for Southeast Asian Studies of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, is currently in the Philippines on a Fulbright Senior Research Fellowship. He is affiliated with both the History Department of the Ateneo de Manila University and the Cebuano Studies Center of USC.

Dr. Cullinane's research project is titled, "The Urban Origins of the Cebu Political Elite, 1757-1940." The emphasis of the project is on a close study of the emergence of an urban elite in Cebu City's Parian, especially from the 18th century to 1860, and more broadly throughout the city since the 1860s. Emphasis will be placed on the movement of urban-based elites into various municipalities of Cebu Province during the 19th century and on the impact these movements had on transforming local social and economic elites. In addition, the project will emphasize the subsequent impact of the political institutions implemented in the 20th century by the Americans, in particular the introduction of municipal and provincial elections, resulting in a province-wide politics that was soon dominated by urban-based families with strong links to the municipalities. In addition, Dr. Cullinane will pursue long-standing research projects pertaining to the history of Cebu City and Province.

Dr. Cullinane served as resource speaker during the 3rd plenary session of the Cebu Town History Project last July 12. He will also give a lecture, together with Dr. Resil Mojares, emeritus professor, during a Family History Writing Workshop on August 16. The workshop is sponsored by the Hamiling Binilin (HAMBIN), a heritage advocacy group composed of graduates of the Cebuano Heritage Studies Program of USC.

This is Dr. Cullinane's second research fellowship from the Fulbright. His first assignment to Cebu was, however, as a Peace Corps Volunteer in the 1970s. With his help, the Cebuano Studies Center was established in 1975.

Author: Cebuano Studies Center
17 / July / 2008


Am very lucky to be his Assistant
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http://www.usc.edu.ph/news_and_announcements/?news=256

Fulbright professor affiliates with Cebuano Studies Center

Dr. Michael Cullinane, assistant director of the Center for Southeast Asian Studies of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, is currently in the Philippines on a Fulbright Senior Research Fellowship. He is affiliated with both the History Department of the Ateneo de Manila University and the Cebuano Studies Center of USC.

Dr. Cullinane's research project is titled, "The Urban Origins of the Cebu Political Elite, 1757-1940." The emphasis of the project is on a close study of the emergence of an urban elite in Cebu City's Parian, especially from the 18th century to 1860, and more broadly throughout the city since the 1860s. Emphasis will be placed on the movement of urban-based elites into various municipalities of Cebu Province during the 19th century and on the impact these movements had on transforming local social and economic elites. In addition, the project will emphasize the subsequent impact of the political institutions implemented in the 20th century by the Americans, in particular the introduction of municipal and provincial elections, resulting in a province-wide politics that was soon dominated by urban-based families with strong links to the municipalities. In addition, Dr. Cullinane will pursue long-standing research projects pertaining to the history of Cebu City and Province.

Dr. Cullinane served as resource speaker during the 3rd plenary session of the Cebu Town History Project last July 12. He will also give a lecture, together with Dr. Resil Mojares, emeritus professor, during a Family History Writing Workshop on August 16. The workshop is sponsored by the Hamiling Binilin (HAMBIN), a heritage advocacy group composed of graduates of the Cebuano Heritage Studies Program of USC.

This is Dr. Cullinane's second research fellowship from the Fulbright. His first assignment to Cebu was, however, as a Peace Corps Volunteer in the 1970s. With his help, the Cebuano Studies Center was established in 1975.

Author: Cebuano Studies Center
17 / July / 2008


Am very lucky to be his Assistant
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This is patently wrong. There was no Republic of Cebu...neither de facto nor de jure...You will not find any single document of declaration of a so-called Republic of Cebu, unlike that of Negros, which had its declaration under Gen. Lacson.

Some people just want to embellish history to suit a present need. Unfortunately, documents will not support this.

We never seceded from the Republica Filipina established following the June 12 declaration of independence at Kawit, Cavite. We were a province of the republic and so today we suffer because we are just a province of the troubled republic called the Philippines.

Be that as it may, this is no reason to invent history just to show that we were once independent of the Philippines.

In fact, we all were. That is, before 1565, the year when Legazpi placed all our islands under Spain without asking our permission.

thanks for the comment. when i read osmena's column, i was wondering how he came up with this "republic of cebu".

some news clips/articles about this period (Dec. 25, 1898 to Feb. 22, 1899) [thanks to dr. cullinane, who shared these with me]:

"Ug samtang [12/1898] ang mga Katsila nangandam sa pagbiya sa Sugbu gumikan sa `Tratado' sa Paris, si Heneral Luis Flores usab, si Heneral Maxilom ug uban pa, nagpadalag usa ka sulat kang Heneral Montero aron pagpangotana kon dili pa ba siya moampo ug dili ba niya ihatag ang `plaza' kay kon dili manugbong ang tanang manggugubut aron paggubat. Ang sulat sa mga manggugubut giduso ni Montero kang Don Pablo Mejia nga mao ang Gobernador sa Sugbu niadtong mga adlawa ug si Don Pablo maoy miangkon sa pakigsabut sa mga manggugubut aron walay dugo nga moagas./ Ang Obispo usab sa Sugbu kanhi, Pray Martin Alcocer, nagpadalag sulat kang Heneral Flores didto sa Sudlon ug ang nagdala mao si anhing Marcial Velez. Ang tuyo sa Obispo nga walay kamatay nga mahitabo inigsulod sa mga manggugubut dinhi. Sin Heneral Flores nagsulat usab kang Don Pablo Mejia nga siya makigsulti sa mga tinugyanan sa Gobierno ug adto siya tagboa sa lungsod sa Talisay. Tuod man: miadto sa Talisay si Don Pablo, kinuyogan sa iyang anak Teofilo Mejia, Antonio B. Ruiz, ug uban pang sinaligan ni Don Pablo. Dinhi nagkatagbo sila si Heneral Maxilom ug gihimo dayon ang maayong sabut sa pagsulod sa dakbayan."/ (Salin sa Kagubut, "Kinsa ang Unang Gobernador Pilipinhon sa Sugbo?" Bag-ong Kusog, 12/25/1930: 12, 40)

On 1/5/1899 (may have been 1/15/1899), a conflict arose within the administration of Cebu City; the British steamer, Liverpool, arrived in Cebu to unload a shipment of rice consigned to Smith Bell and Company, under the British Vice-Consul John Sidebottom; the ship docked at the pier of Binoy Veloso and the Captain of the Port, General D. Valentin Gascon, "an Ilocano," requested that the British ship's captain give him "a number of rice sacks to feed his carabineros who were guarding the port area of Cebu"; the British captain refused saying the rice was not his to give, but belonged to Smith Bell and Sidebottom; Gascon got angry and arrested the British captain, but the cabin boy escaped and reported the incident to Sidebottom, who in turn reported the incident to Marcial Velez, "delegate of police for the Junta Popular of Cebu City," requesting his intervention on behalf of the British captain and his crew; Velez order Lt D Vicente Teves, "a police officer for the Junta Popular," to take charge of the affair (see Gascon) (Sales/Go, Ang Sugbu, 354-356)

on 2/21/1899, after the arrival of the Petrel, the leadership of Cebu gathered (before communicating with the American captain): "MGA PUNOAN UG INILANG LUNGSORANON NAGKAPUNDOK/ Sa balay sa pamunoan sa lalawigan nagakapundok na ang mga punoan sa lalawigan natukod, sumula sa gimbutan sa lalaod ni Heneral Aguinaldo, ning mga ginoong mosunod: Heneral Luis Flores, Presidente sa Konseho Probinsiyal; Don Julio Llorente, uyoan ni Abogado Orbeta, Bise-Presidente ug mao usab ang Presidente sa Hunta Popular sa siyudad; Heneral Arcadio Maxilom, Konsehero se Polisiya; Don Pablo Mejia, Konsehero sa Asyenda; Don Miguel Logarta, Konsehero se Hustisya; ug Don Leoncio Alburo, Sekretaryo sa Konseho Probinsiyal; Heneral Komandante sa tibuok lalawigan, Heneral Arcadio Maxilom; ug Hepe sa Estado Mayor sa mga sundalo, si Heneral Juan Climaco, nga nahimong unang gobernador nga pinilisa lungsod. Ang pamunoan sa siyudad nahimo niining mga ginooha: Presidente interino sa Hunta Popular, ang Bisepresidente, G. Florentino Rallos; Delegado sa Polisiya, G. Marcial Velez; Delegado sa Asyenda, Don Mariano Veloso, ug Delegado sa Hustisya, G. Agapito Hilario; Sekretaryo sa Hunta Popular, si G. Domingo Madarang."/ (Francisco E. Rodriguez. "Unang Pagkayab sa Bandilang Amerikanhon sa Sugbu," by FER. Bag-ong Kusog, 8/12/1932)

Luis Flores described the "Junta magna" held on 2/16 in Cebu City in response to what happened in Iloilo (informed of this by John Sidebottom and Federico Laing, vice-consuls of England and Germany); meeting had two sessions, one in morning and one in afternoon; mentioned as taking part in the discussion: Pablo Mejia, Juan Base Villarosa, Juan Climaco, Leoncio Alburo, Timoteo Castro, Escolastico Duterte, Matias de Arrieta, Marcial Velez, Segundo Singson, Julio Llorente; between 2/16 and 2/21 "nada notable ha ocurrido en esta Ciudad mas que la marcha de muchas familias y especialmente de las mugeres, ancianos y niños, en direccion á diferentes pueblos" (Documentos Referentes a la Toma, 1899: 3-7, TNL)

On 2/23/1899 a meeting held under Luis Flores, with the following attending: Julio Llorente, Arcadio Maxilom, Eugenio Genez, Segundo Singson, Pablo Mejia, Leoncio Alburo, "y otros muchos Ciudadanos" to confirm that Americans were having Flores continue to run local govt; discussed if govt of city and province should move out of city; J. Climaco and others argued the govt should resign, since their surrender violated Aguinaldo's 6/18/98 decree; J. Llorente argued it was not necessary, needed to maintain peace and order; seems that the latter prevailed; following signatures: Luis Flores, Julio Llorente, Segundo Singson, Arcadio Maxilom, Mariano Veloso, Escolastico Duterte, Juan B. Villarosa, Timoteo de Castro, Felix de los Santos, Pablo Mejia, Marcial Velez, Leoncio Alburo, Matias de Arrieta, Andres Roa, Rufino Lorenzo. (Documentos Referentes a la Toma, 1899: 17-20, TNL)

Arcadio Maxilom, on 5/17/1899 convened a meeting at San Nicolas to denounce the provincial council operating within Cebu City for its attempt to disband the military branch of the govt and the militia established by the military throughout the province; they declared their intention to resist the American takeover of the island, and that the revol govt in Luzon had not ordered the disbanding of the militia; signed by A. Maxilom and Saturnino Echaves (secretario); among the nearly 50 signatories of this statement were: Marcial Velez (Proclamation by A. Maxilom, et al, San Nicolas, 5/17/1899, in PRP/SD, #1102-5, and PRP/SD, 1218-7; see also Taylor, 2:423)

This is patently wrong. There was no Republic of Cebu...neither de facto nor de jure...You will not find any single document of declaration of a so-called Republic of Cebu, unlike that of Negros, which had its declaration under Gen. Lacson.

Some people just want to embellish history to suit a present need. Unfortunately, documents will not support this.

We never seceded from the Republica Filipina established following the June 12 declaration of independence at Kawit, Cavite. We were a province of the republic and so today we suffer because we are just a province of the troubled republic called the Philippines.

Be that as it may, this is no reason to invent history just to show that we were once independent of the Philippines.

In fact, we all were. That is, before 1565, the year when Legazpi placed all our islands under Spain without asking our permission.

thanks for the comment. when i read osmena's column, i was wondering how he came up with this "republic of cebu".

some news clips/articles about this period (Dec. 25, 1898 to Feb. 22, 1899) [thanks to dr. cullinane, who shared these with me]:

"Ug samtang [12/1898] ang mga Katsila nangandam sa pagbiya sa Sugbu gumikan sa `Tratado' sa Paris, si Heneral Luis Flores usab, si Heneral Maxilom ug uban pa, nagpadalag usa ka sulat kang Heneral Montero aron pagpangotana kon dili pa ba siya moampo ug dili ba niya ihatag ang `plaza' kay kon dili manugbong ang tanang manggugubut aron paggubat. Ang sulat sa mga manggugubut giduso ni Montero kang Don Pablo Mejia nga mao ang Gobernador sa Sugbu niadtong mga adlawa ug si Don Pablo maoy miangkon sa pakigsabut sa mga manggugubut aron walay dugo nga moagas./ Ang Obispo usab sa Sugbu kanhi, Pray Martin Alcocer, nagpadalag sulat kang Heneral Flores didto sa Sudlon ug ang nagdala mao si anhing Marcial Velez. Ang tuyo sa Obispo nga walay kamatay nga mahitabo inigsulod sa mga manggugubut dinhi. Sin Heneral Flores nagsulat usab kang Don Pablo Mejia nga siya makigsulti sa mga tinugyanan sa Gobierno ug adto siya tagboa sa lungsod sa Talisay. Tuod man: miadto sa Talisay si Don Pablo, kinuyogan sa iyang anak Teofilo Mejia, Antonio B. Ruiz, ug uban pang sinaligan ni Don Pablo. Dinhi nagkatagbo sila si Heneral Maxilom ug gihimo dayon ang maayong sabut sa pagsulod sa dakbayan."/ (Salin sa Kagubut, "Kinsa ang Unang Gobernador Pilipinhon sa Sugbo?" Bag-ong Kusog, 12/25/1930: 12, 40)

On 1/5/1899 (may have been 1/15/1899), a conflict arose within the administration of Cebu City; the British steamer, Liverpool, arrived in Cebu to unload a shipment of rice consigned to Smith Bell and Company, under the British Vice-Consul John Sidebottom; the ship docked at the pier of Binoy Veloso and the Captain of the Port, General D. Valentin Gascon, "an Ilocano," requested that the British ship's captain give him "a number of rice sacks to feed his carabineros who were guarding the port area of Cebu"; the British captain refused saying the rice was not his to give, but belonged to Smith Bell and Sidebottom; Gascon got angry and arrested the British captain, but the cabin boy escaped and reported the incident to Sidebottom, who in turn reported the incident to Marcial Velez, "delegate of police for the Junta Popular of Cebu City," requesting his intervention on behalf of the British captain and his crew; Velez order Lt D Vicente Teves, "a police officer for the Junta Popular," to take charge of the affair (see Gascon) (Sales/Go, Ang Sugbu, 354-356)

on 2/21/1899, after the arrival of the Petrel, the leadership of Cebu gathered (before communicating with the American captain): "MGA PUNOAN UG INILANG LUNGSORANON NAGKAPUNDOK/ Sa balay sa pamunoan sa lalawigan nagakapundok na ang mga punoan sa lalawigan natukod, sumula sa gimbutan sa lalaod ni Heneral Aguinaldo, ning mga ginoong mosunod: Heneral Luis Flores, Presidente sa Konseho Probinsiyal; Don Julio Llorente, uyoan ni Abogado Orbeta, Bise-Presidente ug mao usab ang Presidente sa Hunta Popular sa siyudad; Heneral Arcadio Maxilom, Konsehero se Polisiya; Don Pablo Mejia, Konsehero sa Asyenda; Don Miguel Logarta, Konsehero se Hustisya; ug Don Leoncio Alburo, Sekretaryo sa Konseho Probinsiyal; Heneral Komandante sa tibuok lalawigan, Heneral Arcadio Maxilom; ug Hepe sa Estado Mayor sa mga sundalo, si Heneral Juan Climaco, nga nahimong unang gobernador nga pinilisa lungsod. Ang pamunoan sa siyudad nahimo niining mga ginooha: Presidente interino sa Hunta Popular, ang Bisepresidente, G. Florentino Rallos; Delegado sa Polisiya, G. Marcial Velez; Delegado sa Asyenda, Don Mariano Veloso, ug Delegado sa Hustisya, G. Agapito Hilario; Sekretaryo sa Hunta Popular, si G. Domingo Madarang."/ (Francisco E. Rodriguez. "Unang Pagkayab sa Bandilang Amerikanhon sa Sugbu," by FER. Bag-ong Kusog, 8/12/1932)

Luis Flores described the "Junta magna" held on 2/16 in Cebu City in response to what happened in Iloilo (informed of this by John Sidebottom and Federico Laing, vice-consuls of England and Germany); meeting had two sessions, one in morning and one in afternoon; mentioned as taking part in the discussion: Pablo Mejia, Juan Base Villarosa, Juan Climaco, Leoncio Alburo, Timoteo Castro, Escolastico Duterte, Matias de Arrieta, Marcial Velez, Segundo Singson, Julio Llorente; between 2/16 and 2/21 "nada notable ha ocurrido en esta Ciudad mas que la marcha de muchas familias y especialmente de las mugeres, ancianos y niños, en direccion á diferentes pueblos" (Documentos Referentes a la Toma, 1899: 3-7, TNL)

On 2/23/1899 a meeting held under Luis Flores, with the following attending: Julio Llorente, Arcadio Maxilom, Eugenio Genez, Segundo Singson, Pablo Mejia, Leoncio Alburo, "y otros muchos Ciudadanos" to confirm that Americans were having Flores continue to run local govt; discussed if govt of city and province should move out of city; J. Climaco and others argued the govt should resign, since their surrender violated Aguinaldo's 6/18/98 decree; J. Llorente argued it was not necessary, needed to maintain peace and order; seems that the latter prevailed; following signatures: Luis Flores, Julio Llorente, Segundo Singson, Arcadio Maxilom, Mariano Veloso, Escolastico Duterte, Juan B. Villarosa, Timoteo de Castro, Felix de los Santos, Pablo Mejia, Marcial Velez, Leoncio Alburo, Matias de Arrieta, Andres Roa, Rufino Lorenzo. (Documentos Referentes a la Toma, 1899: 17-20, TNL)

Arcadio Maxilom, on 5/17/1899 convened a meeting at San Nicolas to denounce the provincial council operating within Cebu City for its attempt to disband the military branch of the govt and the militia established by the military throughout the province; they declared their intention to resist the American takeover of the island, and that the revol govt in Luzon had not ordered the disbanding of the militia; signed by A. Maxilom and Saturnino Echaves (secretario); among the nearly 50 signatories of this statement were: Marcial Velez (Proclamation by A. Maxilom, et al, San Nicolas, 5/17/1899, in PRP/SD, #1102-5, and PRP/SD, 1218-7; see also Taylor, 2:423)

^^ So in conclusion, he made this all up or just skewed some "documentary evidence?"

^^ So in conclusion, he made this all up or just skewed some "documentary evidence?"

^^ So in conclusion, he made this all up or just skewed some "documentary evidence?"

Exactly! Exactly! Exactly!

Worse! I do not think he has any documentary evidence to allege that there was a Republic of Cebu (or Republica de Cebu or Republica Cebuana).

And someone should write him and tell him that there is no such Republic of Cebu...(not me of course since I am a columnist myself---out of courtesy).

If ever there was one, it was the attempt by Lito Osmena to almost secede from the Philippines, starting with the singing of the Lupang Hinirang in Cebuano (not allowed under the rules of the NHI and the Republic!)----which in itself is funny: we were still singing the National Anthem of the Republic of the Philippines albeit in Cebuano!

It was, in effect still a recognition of the supremacy of the Republic of the Philippines over Cebu. Which is why he could not be charged with treason.

^^ So in conclusion, he made this all up or just skewed some "documentary evidence?"

Exactly! Exactly! Exactly!

Worse! I do not think he has any documentary evidence to allege that there was a Republic of Cebu (or Republica de Cebu or Republica Cebuana).

And someone should write him and tell him that there is no such Republic of Cebu...(not me of course since I am a columnist myself---out of courtesy).

If ever there was one, it was the attempt by Lito Osmena to almost secede from the Philippines, starting with the singing of the Lupang Hinirang in Cebuano (not allowed under the rules of the NHI and the Republic!)----which in itself is funny: we were still singing the National Anthem of the Republic of the Philippines albeit in Cebuano!

It was, in effect still a recognition of the supremacy of the Republic of the Philippines over Cebu. Which is why he could not be charged with treason.

^^ Hmmm....I see propaganda behind this "Republic of Cebu" article of the columnist. Although the writer is an Osmeña but could he be part of the political Osmeña too?

Sorry if I don't know these things.

^^ Hmmm....I see propaganda behind this "Republic of Cebu" article of the columnist. Although the writer is an Osmeña but could he be part of the political Osmeña too?

Sorry if I don't know these things.

^^

nahh.. maybe Renato was just excited about the idea that he forgot to check his facts..

^^

nahh.. maybe Renato was just excited about the idea that he forgot to check his facts..

^^

nahh.. maybe Renato was just excited about the idea that he forgot to check his facts..

IMHO its a major offense in historiography if that is the case if he did it. It may sound like propaganda on a historical perspective if indeed the Cebu Republic is false.

^^

nahh.. maybe Renato was just excited about the idea that he forgot to check his facts..

IMHO its a major offense in historiography if that is the case if he did it. It may sound like propaganda on a historical perspective if indeed the Cebu Republic is false.

^^

nahh.. maybe Renato was just excited about the idea that he forgot to check his facts..


i thought this was written by the old man antonio. so you mean to say AV is Renato?

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nahh.. maybe Renato was just excited about the idea that he forgot to check his facts..


i thought this was written by the old man antonio. so you mean to say AV is Renato?

By the way, I was in Barili today to attend the opening of the Barili Heritage Society's photo exhibit at the museum there. The photos and the stories they tell are great! The exhibition runs till he end of the town fiesta next week.

Of course, I was also there to get materials for the provl. museum...tempus fugit...

Ma'am BB Pace, Jinky Panares and Rey Estrada were darlings as usual. I got more than I intended!

By the way, I was in Barili today to attend the opening of the Barili Heritage Society's photo exhibit at the museum there. The photos and the stories they tell are great! The exhibition runs till he end of the town fiesta next week.

Of course, I was also there to get materials for the provl. museum...tempus fugit...

Ma'am BB Pace, Jinky Panares and Rey Estrada were darlings as usual. I got more than I intended!

Am very lucky to be his Assistant



The town history writers who came early during last Saturday's quarterly assembly got everything they could ever need in order to understand the nuances of Spanish-period governance of the archipelago vis-a-vis the American period, thanks to Mike Cullinane.


I'm glad my suggestion for the topic for Mike to talk about was carried out. I knew that many of the writers still did not grasp the difference between today's barangay (as a geographic unit) and the barangay (as a quasi-kin network for purposes of tax collection and surveillance) of the Spanish period!


Ang mga late, alaot! Way mga nahot! I know of many other people who would hve paid to hear what Mike had to say. Ang ubang writers pabaya lang jud! Late pa gyud nangabot!

Am very lucky to be his Assistant



The town history writers who came early during last Saturday's quarterly assembly got everything they could ever need in order to understand the nuances of Spanish-period governance of the archipelago vis-a-vis the American period, thanks to Mike Cullinane.


I'm glad my suggestion for the topic for Mike to talk about was carried out. I knew that many of the writers still did not grasp the difference between today's barangay (as a geographic unit) and the barangay (as a quasi-kin network for purposes of tax collection and surveillance) of the Spanish period!


Ang mga late, alaot! Way mga nahot! I know of many other people who would hve paid to hear what Mike had to say. Ang ubang writers pabaya lang jud! Late pa gyud nangabot!

The town history writers who came early during last Saturday's quarterly assembly got everything they could ever need in order to understand the nuances of Spanish-period governance of the archipelago vis-a-vis the American period, thanks to Mike Cullinane.


I'm glad my suggestion for the topic for Mike to talk about was carried out. I knew that many of the writers still did not grasp the difference between today's barangay (as a geographic unit) and the barangay (as a quasi-kin network for purposes of tax collection and surveillance) of the Spanish period!


Ang mga late, alaot! Way mga nahot! I know of many other people who would hve paid to hear what Mike had to say. Ang ubang writers pabaya lang jud! Late pa gyud nangabot!

unsa naman diay status niining "history project" sponsored by the provincial govt? kinsa may mga writers? di ba one writer per town man ni?

The town history writers who came early during last Saturday's quarterly assembly got everything they could ever need in order to understand the nuances of Spanish-period governance of the archipelago vis-a-vis the American period, thanks to Mike Cullinane.


I'm glad my suggestion for the topic for Mike to talk about was carried out. I knew that many of the writers still did not grasp the difference between today's barangay (as a geographic unit) and the barangay (as a quasi-kin network for purposes of tax collection and surveillance) of the Spanish period!


Ang mga late, alaot! Way mga nahot! I know of many other people who would hve paid to hear what Mike had to say. Ang ubang writers pabaya lang jud! Late pa gyud nangabot!

unsa naman diay status niining "history project" sponsored by the provincial govt? kinsa may mga writers? di ba one writer per town man ni?

There was no Dull moment with Dr. Mike Cullinane

Be it in the Restos
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http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_0370.jpg

in Cebuano Studies Center.

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In the Seminario
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or in our Early Morning Walk daily..

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(Binacayan)

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_0184.jpg
(Fort San Pedro)

Daghang jud kang makat-onan ug maminaw ka aning tawhana..

Tuhogon lang pag ayo ang talk Ni Dr. Cullinane Chapter 2 ug 3 na.

There was no Dull moment with Dr. Mike Cullinane

Be it in the Restos
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_0371.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_0370.jpg

in Cebuano Studies Center.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_1825.jpg

In the Seminario
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG-1353.jpg

or in our Early Morning Walk daily..

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_0157.jpg
(Binacayan)

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_0184.jpg
(Fort San Pedro)

Daghang jud kang makat-onan ug maminaw ka aning tawhana..

Tuhogon lang pag ayo ang talk Ni Dr. Cullinane Chapter 2 ug 3 na.

unsa naman diay status niining "history project" sponsored by the provincial govt? kinsa may mga writers? di ba one writer per town man ni?

Check the link for the list of writers and editors
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=561979&page=2

unsa naman diay status niining "history project" sponsored by the provincial govt? kinsa may mga writers? di ba one writer per town man ni?

Check the link for the list of writers and editors
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=561979&page=2

Check the link for the list of writers and editors
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=561979&page=2

salamat @ka_bino

Check the link for the list of writers and editors
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=561979&page=2

salamat @ka_bino

unsa naman diay status niining "history project" sponsored by the provincial govt? kinsa may mga writers? di ba one writer per town man ni?

most of the writers are now on the American period in their mansucripts. the dealdine for this period is August 31.

Japanese Occupation follows next, of course, and so on.

unsa naman diay status niining "history project" sponsored by the provincial govt? kinsa may mga writers? di ba one writer per town man ni?

most of the writers are now on the American period in their mansucripts. the dealdine for this period is August 31.

Japanese Occupation follows next, of course, and so on.

i may be out of topic here...but i want to ask if you happen to know when this house "Barili Ancestral Home" was built?

This house was owned by Justo dela Cerna Lozada and his wife Damasa Ricablanca.
Justo dela Cerna Lozada is a descendant of Graciano Bauzon Lozada who happens to be the business associate of Don Pedro Cui...

http://www.lozada3.net/barili1a.gif

i may be out of topic here...but i want to ask if you happen to know when this house "Barili Ancestral Home" was built?

This house was owned by Justo dela Cerna Lozada and his wife Damasa Ricablanca.
Justo dela Cerna Lozada is a descendant of Graciano Bauzon Lozada who happens to be the business associate of Don Pedro Cui...

http://www.lozada3.net/barili1a.gif

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_0157.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_0184.jpg
Daghang jud kang makat-onan ug maminaw ka aning tawhana..

Tuhogon lang pag ayo ang talk Ni Dr. Cullinane Chapter 2 ug 3 na.

Where is this located? Salamat.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_0157.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/suroyta/IMG_0184.jpg
Daghang jud kang makat-onan ug maminaw ka aning tawhana..

Tuhogon lang pag ayo ang talk Ni Dr. Cullinane Chapter 2 ug 3 na.

Where is this located? Salamat.

i may be out of topic here...but i want to ask if you happen to know when this house "Barili Ancestral Home" was built?

This house was owned by Justo dela Cerna Lozada and his wife Damasa Ricablanca.
Justo dela Cerna Lozada is a descendant of Graciano Bauzon Lozada who happens to be the business associate of Don Pedro Cui...

http://www.lozada3.net/barili1a.gif

What a waste, could have been conserved.

i may be out of topic here...but i want to ask if you happen to know when this house "Barili Ancestral Home" was built?

This house was owned by Justo dela Cerna Lozada and his wife Damasa Ricablanca.
Justo dela Cerna Lozada is a descendant of Graciano Bauzon Lozada who happens to be the business associate of Don Pedro Cui...

http://www.lozada3.net/barili1a.gif

What a waste, could have been conserved.

^^ Any chance to restore the house?

^^ Any chance to restore the house?

Where is this located? Salamat.


First photo is outside the Jesuit House of 1730/1750


Second photo I think is in Fort San Pedro


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Where is this located? Salamat.


First photo is outside the Jesuit House of 1730/1750


Second photo I think is in Fort San Pedro


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Is it only Cebuano heritage and history that Dr. Cullinane is an expert of? Or is he also an expert of other cultures?

I'm very amazed because in the first place he's not a Cebuano or even a Filipino and yet he knows so much about our history and heritage.

I bet he has not even spent half of his life in Cebu? Or did he?



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Is it only Cebuano heritage and history that Dr. Cullinane is an expert of? Or is he also an expert of other cultures?

I'm very amazed because in the first place he's not a Cebuano or even a Filipino and yet he knows so much about our history and heritage.

I bet he has not even spent half of his life in Cebu? Or did he?



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Is it only Cebuano heritage and history that Dr. Cullinane is an expert of? Or is he also an expert of other cultures?

I'm very amazed because in the first place he's not a Cebuano or even a Filipino and yet he knows so much about our history and heritage.

I bet he has not even spent half of his life in Cebu? Or did he?



from univ of wisconsin-madison website: http://seasia.wisc.edu/People/Michael%20Cullinane.htm

Michael Cullinane is a lecturer in the History Department and the Associate Director for the Center for Southeast Asian Studies. He has extensive research and residence in the Philippines, with interests in 19th and 20th century Philippine social, political, and demographic history. He teaches the introductory course on Southeast Asia.

Selected Publications:

--"Accounting for Souls: Ecclesiastical Sources for the Study of Philippine Demographic History," and "The Growth of Population in Cebu during the Spanish Era: Constructing a Regional Demography from Local Sources" with P. Xenos, in Population and History: The Demographic Origins of the Modern Philippines. (Madison/Quezon City: Center for Southeast Asian Studies and Ateneo de Manila University Press), 1998.

--"Patron as Client: Warlord Politics and the Duranos of Danao," in An Anarchy of Families (Madison: Center for Southeast Asian Studies), 1993.

-- "Playing the Game: The Rise of Sergio Osmena, 1891-1907" in Philippine Colonial Democracy, ed. Ruby R. Paredes (New Haven: Yale University Southeast Asian Studies, Yale Center for International and Area Studies, 1988):

-- "The Changing Nature of the Cebu Urban Elite in the 19th Century", in Philippine Social History, ed. McCoy and de Jesus, Ateneo de Manila University Press/ George Allen & Unwin, 1982.

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Ilustrado Politics: Filipino Elite Responses to American Rule
by Michael Cullinane
Publisher: Ateneo de Manila University Press
Year published: 2005
Specification: Paperback, 6 x 9 inches, 480 pages
ISBN: 971-550-439-6

The early political careers of Manuel L. Quezon and Sergio Osmeña are brought to light in the context of the changing colonial society by Michael Cullinane in ILUSTRADO POLITICS: Filipino Elite Responses to American Rule, 1898-1908. Through years of research work, Cullinane shows how provincial politicos rose to national leadership in the midst of influential American officials and Manila-based ilustrados as they took advantage of the possibilities presented by the new colonial order.

Is it only Cebuano heritage and history that Dr. Cullinane is an expert of? Or is he also an expert of other cultures?

I'm very amazed because in the first place he's not a Cebuano or even a Filipino and yet he knows so much about our history and heritage.

I bet he has not even spent half of his life in Cebu? Or did he?



from univ of wisconsin-madison website: http://seasia.wisc.edu/People/Michael%20Cullinane.htm

Michael Cullinane is a lecturer in the History Department and the Associate Director for the Center for Southeast Asian Studies. He has extensive research and residence in the Philippines, with interests in 19th and 20th century Philippine social, political, and demographic history. He teaches the introductory course on Southeast Asia.

Selected Publications:

--"Accounting for Souls: Ecclesiastical Sources for the Study of Philippine Demographic History," and "The Growth of Population in Cebu during the Spanish Era: Constructing a Regional Demography from Local Sources" with P. Xenos, in Population and History: The Demographic Origins of the Modern Philippines. (Madison/Quezon City: Center for Southeast Asian Studies and Ateneo de Manila University Press), 1998.

--"Patron as Client: Warlord Politics and the Duranos of Danao," in An Anarchy of Families (Madison: Center for Southeast Asian Studies), 1993.

-- "Playing the Game: The Rise of Sergio Osmena, 1891-1907" in Philippine Colonial Democracy, ed. Ruby R. Paredes (New Haven: Yale University Southeast Asian Studies, Yale Center for International and Area Studies, 1988):

-- "The Changing Nature of the Cebu Urban Elite in the 19th Century", in Philippine Social History, ed. McCoy and de Jesus, Ateneo de Manila University Press/ George Allen & Unwin, 1982.

http://www.oovrag.com/books/images/ilustrado.jpg

Ilustrado Politics: Filipino Elite Responses to American Rule
by Michael Cullinane
Publisher: Ateneo de Manila University Press
Year published: 2005
Specification: Paperback, 6 x 9 inches, 480 pages
ISBN: 971-550-439-6

The early political careers of Manuel L. Quezon and Sergio Osmeña are brought to light in the context of the changing colonial society by Michael Cullinane in ILUSTRADO POLITICS: Filipino Elite Responses to American Rule, 1898-1908. Through years of research work, Cullinane shows how provincial politicos rose to national leadership in the midst of influential American officials and Manila-based ilustrados as they took advantage of the possibilities presented by the new colonial order.

Is it only Cebuano heritage and history that Dr. Cullinane is an expert of? Or is he also an expert of other cultures?

I'm very amazed because in the first place he's not a Cebuano or even a Filipino and yet he knows so much about our history and heritage.

I bet he has not even spent half of his life in Cebu? Or did he?






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He is a great Historian.

He is more Cebuano than other native Cebuanos. He loves Cebu. He is home in Cebu more than anywhere else.

He lived in Cebu for a long time unya dili mailad kay makamao kaayo mo-Sinugboanon.

I just have great admiration for him.

Is it only Cebuano heritage and history that Dr. Cullinane is an expert of? Or is he also an expert of other cultures?

I'm very amazed because in the first place he's not a Cebuano or even a Filipino and yet he knows so much about our history and heritage.

I bet he has not even spent half of his life in Cebu? Or did he?






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He is a great Historian.

He is more Cebuano than other native Cebuanos. He loves Cebu. He is home in Cebu more than anywhere else.

He lived in Cebu for a long time unya dili mailad kay makamao kaayo mo-Sinugboanon.

I just have great admiration for him.

Is it only Cebuano heritage and history that Dr. Cullinane is an expert of? Or is he also an expert of other cultures?

I'm very amazed because in the first place he's not a Cebuano or even a Filipino and yet he knows so much about our history and heritage.

I bet he has not even spent half of his life in Cebu? Or did he?






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Mike is part of a group in the U.S. called the Philippine Studies Association or something like that. These are American scholars who wrote their dissertation about an aspect of Philippine culture or history, often on a Fulbright scholarship.

The association is located at universities where a Philippine Studies or an Asian Studies Program is offered like at Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison, University of Michigan, Cornell, Yale, Univ. of Hawaii and at the now-defunct Southeast Asian Studies Center of Univ. California at Irvine (or is it Sta. Barbara?), as well as Arizona State U.

The first of them that offered Philippine Studies as a graduate program is, of course, the University of Chicago, which opened the program in the 1960s (and caused the translation, among many others, of the multi-volume (or whatever was left of it) History of the Bisayas by Ignacio Alcina, 1684 or thereabouts).


Those Fulbright scholars that did their research on Cebu spent their time here at USC (where else but the Cebuano Studies Center). Among them count:



1. John Peterson (archaeology)
2. David Kummer (desforetation and the environment. personal note: I was his research assistant for a while in 1994 i think)
3. Alfred McCoy (who doesn't know al mccoy!)
4. Bruce Fenner (spanish period economic history of cebu)
5. Mike Cullinane (Osmena and illstrado politics)
6. Peter Xenos (population and demography--he was not connected with Cebuano Studies Center but rather with Office of Population Studies)
7. Wenda Trevathan (medical anthropology, based at SoAn dept.)
8. Paul Hutchcroft (rentier capitalism, corruption)
9. Masao Nishimura (archaeology, long-distance trade networks--he was also based at Soan Department not at Cebuano Studies Ctr.)

i think this is most of them that i remember.

Is it only Cebuano heritage and history that Dr. Cullinane is an expert of? Or is he also an expert of other cultures?

I'm very amazed because in the first place he's not a Cebuano or even a Filipino and yet he knows so much about our history and heritage.

I bet he has not even spent half of his life in Cebu? Or did he?






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Mike is part of a group in the U.S. called the Philippine Studies Association or something like that. These are American scholars who wrote their dissertation about an aspect of Philippine culture or history, often on a Fulbright scholarship.

The association is located at universities where a Philippine Studies or an Asian Studies Program is offered like at Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison, University of Michigan, Cornell, Yale, Univ. of Hawaii and at the now-defunct Southeast Asian Studies Center of Univ. California at Irvine (or is it Sta. Barbara?), as well as Arizona State U.

The first of them that offered Philippine Studies as a graduate program is, of course, the University of Chicago, which opened the program in the 1960s (and caused the translation, among many others, of the multi-volume (or whatever was left of it) History of the Bisayas by Ignacio Alcina, 1684 or thereabouts).


Those Fulbright scholars that did their research on Cebu spent their time here at USC (where else but the Cebuano Studies Center). Among them count:



1. John Peterson (archaeology)
2. David Kummer (desforetation and the environment. personal note: I was his research assistant for a while in 1994 i think)
3. Alfred McCoy (who doesn't know al mccoy!)
4. Bruce Fenner (spanish period economic history of cebu)
5. Mike Cullinane (Osmena and illstrado politics)
6. Peter Xenos (population and demography--he was not connected with Cebuano Studies Center but rather with Office of Population Studies)
7. Wenda Trevathan (medical anthropology, based at SoAn dept.)
8. Paul Hutchcroft (rentier capitalism, corruption)
9. Masao Nishimura (archaeology, long-distance trade networks--he was also based at Soan Department not at Cebuano Studies Ctr.)

i think this is most of them that i remember.

Heritage group celebrates first anniversary with emeritus lecture

Hambin (Hamiling Binilin), the heritage advocacy group composed of graduates and students of the University of San Carlos Cebuano Heritage Studies Program, will celebrate its first anniversary with a lecture and dinner, 19 July 2008, 4:30-6:30 pm, at the Cathedral Museum.

Dr. Resil Mojares, USC Professor Emeritus, will talk on “Sugbo, Subuth, Zebu, Cebu: The Problem of Place-Naming.” The lecture is open to the public.

It was Mojares who suggested the idea of a heritage advocacy group to the pioneering batch of the graduate certificate program under the USC Department of History. Through the support of the Department and the Cebuano Studies Center, the group was formed exactly a year ago.

The members have since been holding a regular series of lectures and slideshows on various topics concerning Cebuano history and heritage at the Cathedral Museum.

From: USC Website

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Dinner follows but by invitation only. :)

Heritage group celebrates first anniversary with emeritus lecture

Hambin (Hamiling Binilin), the heritage advocacy group composed of graduates and students of the University of San Carlos Cebuano Heritage Studies Program, will celebrate its first anniversary with a lecture and dinner, 19 July 2008, 4:30-6:30 pm, at the Cathedral Museum.

Dr. Resil Mojares, USC Professor Emeritus, will talk on “Sugbo, Subuth, Zebu, Cebu: The Problem of Place-Naming.” The lecture is open to the public.

It was Mojares who suggested the idea of a heritage advocacy group to the pioneering batch of the graduate certificate program under the USC Department of History. Through the support of the Department and the Cebuano Studies Center, the group was formed exactly a year ago.

The members have since been holding a regular series of lectures and slideshows on various topics concerning Cebuano history and heritage at the Cathedral Museum.

From: USC Website

________________________

Dinner follows but by invitation only. :)

Dr. Mike Cullinane have spent about 40 years of research work on Cebu.

He was a member of the Peace Corps, he teaches modern math in CNU and CIT.

Then At the USC where he handles History and Pol Sci.

He had visited all the parishes in Cebu, its funy kay he used a Honda 50 back then to go to each Town and Copy the Records..

He Love Lome @ the Visayan Restuarant..

While in San Carlos during martial Law years, he handle Pol Sci on a condition that San Carlos would open the cabinet that was locked filled with book on communism. A military man was actualy enroled in his class, with out him knowing, one of the student told Dr. Mike, that the military man asked to have his beards shave, Dr. Mike did not shave.



He leaves somwhere in Lahug area, and he would just walk towards USC main.

His second wife is Susan Go. I think Sir jobers knew her.

I could listen to him for HOURS with out getting bored..

If i could have just 1/4 of what he knew about Cebu, am ready to face my creator..

Dr. Mike Cullinane have spent about 40 years of research work on Cebu.

He was a member of the Peace Corps, he teaches modern math in CNU and CIT.

Then At the USC where he handles History and Pol Sci.

He had visited all the parishes in Cebu, its funy kay he used a Honda 50 back then to go to each Town and Copy the Records..

He Love Lome @ the Visayan Restuarant..

While in San Carlos during martial Law years, he handle Pol Sci on a condition that San Carlos would open the cabinet that was locked filled with book on communism. A military man was actualy enroled in his class, with out him knowing, one of the student told Dr. Mike, that the military man asked to have his beards shave, Dr. Mike did not shave.



He leaves somwhere in Lahug area, and he would just walk towards USC main.

His second wife is Susan Go. I think Sir jobers knew her.

I could listen to him for HOURS with out getting bored..

If i could have just 1/4 of what he knew about Cebu, am ready to face my creator..

^^

Ok.. Kabino, maayo man jud ka "mamaba" magkuyog ta beh adtu-on nato si Jaime Sy.

mao ni ako number, 0927-9939355



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Ok.. Kabino, maayo man jud ka "mamaba" magkuyog ta beh adtu-on nato si Jaime Sy.

mao ni ako number, 0927-9939355



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Impressive.

Impressive.

His second wife is Susan Go. I think Sir jobers knew her.

I could listen to him for HOURS with out getting bored..

If i could have just 1/4 of what he knew about Cebu, am ready to face my creator..


Excuse me, Ka Bino, i'm not that old. :) I got to know Fe Susan Go only the other year when she came to Cebu.

By the time I started teaching at USC (June 1988), she was already at UMich for a decade or more..

...:angel1:

Grabe ra pod nang pag-idolize nimo oi...Mike doesn't like to be treated the way Ho Chi Minh is revered in Vietnam or worse, the way Kim Il Sung is in North Korea....imagine, pwede na ka mamatay? :ohno:

unsaon na lang ang imo nahibaw-an? dapat imo na isuwat in a book...then pwede na ka mamatay...heheheeh

His second wife is Susan Go. I think Sir jobers knew her.

I could listen to him for HOURS with out getting bored..

If i could have just 1/4 of what he knew about Cebu, am ready to face my creator..


Excuse me, Ka Bino, i'm not that old. :) I got to know Fe Susan Go only the other year when she came to Cebu.

By the time I started teaching at USC (June 1988), she was already at UMich for a decade or more..

...:angel1:

Grabe ra pod nang pag-idolize nimo oi...Mike doesn't like to be treated the way Ho Chi Minh is revered in Vietnam or worse, the way Kim Il Sung is in North Korea....imagine, pwede na ka mamatay? :ohno:

unsaon na lang ang imo nahibaw-an? dapat imo na isuwat in a book...then pwede na ka mamatay...heheheeh

^^ ok i rephrase it...

Ug masuwat nako ang 1/4 sa iyang nahibaw-an sa Cebu pwede nako mamatay:lol:

^^ ok i rephrase it...

Ug masuwat nako ang 1/4 sa iyang nahibaw-an sa Cebu pwede nako mamatay:lol: