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Taga Bogo
November 24th, 2008, 06:32 AM
katong na-mention dinhi before na 'terraces' (dili mall ha) na naa sa Bogo, murag nakakita ko ana...

didto dapit sa langub sa Kanaw-kanaw (sakto ba ang spelling?) naa kay ma-agian na mura ug terraces/steps ug porma...pero mura man siya ug natural formation kay bato man gyud siya na medyo dark ang color...

"katong na-mention dinhi before na 'terraces' (dili mall ha) na naa sa Bogo, murag nakakita ko ana" As mentioned by Jojo (archaeologue) the terraces are in tabogon and borbon areas. Naa sad ni sa Bogo and practically all over the north Cebu (not so sure sa south) The terraces mentioned are nowhere near as spectacular as the rice terraces of Banaue. Pang salud lang ni sa mga yuta na dala sa ulan (runoffs). Usually mga bato ni gi-paril in between 2 hills/mountains. gagmay gagmay ra ni. These are constructed usually kung asa agi ang tubig gikan sa bungtod. Some are far apart na halos dili na ma notice. Sa mga bato-on dug-ol ang one paril over the other. Sa mga bato-on kadaghanan mais ang tanom. If you are familiar with Bogo, sa hill naa ang dako na shrine sa virgin, ubos ana, right beside the road, is a series of steps. lagyo kaayo ang usa ka paril from another. Sugod ni diha sa exit/entrance sa bless hantod sa atbang sa office sa CEBECO, roughly mga 1 Km. Gi salud ang yuta gikan sa taas taas na parte sa bungtod. Pagka full sa usa, another one was constructed a bit further (about 100m or so away) para maka salud sad sa sobrang yuta nadala sa tubig gikan sa primerong paril then another and so on. The legnth of the paril on this area ranges from a few meters to about a 100m. Dili gani claro tungod sa pagkalagpad sa yuta na salud nahimo na ang area ug patag. Walay daghang yuta ma anod sa imabaw sa mga paril na maka pa dali ug puno sa mga paril. I could just imagine the number of years/decades to fill up these parils. Again if not as a topic of traditional farming practices dili ni grandeous and probably has no tourism value like Banaue.

Taga Bogo
November 24th, 2008, 06:32 AM
katong na-mention dinhi before na 'terraces' (dili mall ha) na naa sa Bogo, murag nakakita ko ana...

didto dapit sa langub sa Kanaw-kanaw (sakto ba ang spelling?) naa kay ma-agian na mura ug terraces/steps ug porma...pero mura man siya ug natural formation kay bato man gyud siya na medyo dark ang color...

"katong na-mention dinhi before na 'terraces' (dili mall ha) na naa sa Bogo, murag nakakita ko ana" As mentioned by Jojo (archaeologue) the terraces are in tabogon and borbon areas. Naa sad ni sa Bogo and practically all over the north Cebu (not so sure sa south) The terraces mentioned are nowhere near as spectacular as the rice terraces of Banaue. Pang salud lang ni sa mga yuta na dala sa ulan (runoffs). Usually mga bato ni gi-paril in between 2 hills/mountains. gagmay gagmay ra ni. These are constructed usually kung asa agi ang tubig gikan sa bungtod. Some are far apart na halos dili na ma notice. Sa mga bato-on dug-ol ang one paril over the other. Sa mga bato-on kadaghanan mais ang tanom. If you are familiar with Bogo, sa hill naa ang dako na shrine sa virgin, ubos ana, right beside the road, is a series of steps. lagyo kaayo ang usa ka paril from another. Sugod ni diha sa exit/entrance sa bless hantod sa atbang sa office sa CEBECO, roughly mga 1 Km. Gi salud ang yuta gikan sa taas taas na parte sa bungtod. Pagka full sa usa, another one was constructed a bit further (about 100m or so away) para maka salud sad sa sobrang yuta nadala sa tubig gikan sa primerong paril then another and so on. The legnth of the paril on this area ranges from a few meters to about a 100m. Dili gani claro tungod sa pagkalagpad sa yuta na salud nahimo na ang area ug patag. Walay daghang yuta ma anod sa imabaw sa mga paril na maka pa dali ug puno sa mga paril. I could just imagine the number of years/decades to fill up these parils. Again if not as a topic of traditional farming practices dili ni grandeous and probably has no tourism value like Banaue.

gee
November 24th, 2008, 05:47 PM
kinsay nakahibalo, unsa man ni mga markers?

Kasadya sa Downtown: City to unveil 32 historical markers

CEBU - At least 32 of the 54 historical markers strategically situated in “Calle Colon” or Colon Street, the oldest street in the country, will be unveiled on November 30 as part of the activities during the launching of the Kasadya sa Downtown 2008.

The holding of the Kasadya sa Downtown is part of the City Government’s Downtown Revitalization Project conceived by Acting Mayor Michael Rama to restore the old downtown’s beauty that make Cebuanos proud of.

Rama said the Cebuanos should be glad because Cebu has so many tourist attractions like the famous Magellan’s cross located across the City Hall.

The cross was planted by Ferdinand Magellan beside the Basilica del Santo Niño when it was still a shore.

Tonette Panares of the Women International League said that unknown to many Cebuanos, there are 52 historical sites along Colon Street and one of them is the site where one of the oldest newspapers El Nuevo Dia was being printed.

George Chu of the Downtown Revitalization Project said the activities on November 30 will include the so-called “Heroes Walk” along Colon Street to relive the ancient town that later became the center of the city.

Some city officials will dress on ancient clothes so they would look like the real heroes and leaders of the past as they walk along the country’s oldest street.

Rama will portray the role of Spanish conquestador Miguel Lopez de Legaspi with Councilor Edwin Jagmoc acting as his interpreter.

Councilor Raul Alcoseba will portray Magellan, Councilor Arsenio Pacaña as Pigafetta and Warfe Engracia as King Tupas.

They will start their “history walk down the memory lane” at Pahina Bridge located at corner Panganiban and Colon Streets where the Puente Revolucion market was formerly located.

The members of the tanod unified force will also dress as Katipuneros who fight and died for freedom.

As usual, during the whole month of December, the portion of Colon Street from Osmeña Boulevard up to D. Jakosalem, will be closed to traffic every evening to give way to the night market. – Rene U. Borromeo/WAB (THE FREEMAN)

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=418465&publicationSubCategoryId=107

gee
November 24th, 2008, 05:47 PM
kinsay nakahibalo, unsa man ni mga markers?

Kasadya sa Downtown: City to unveil 32 historical markers

CEBU - At least 32 of the 54 historical markers strategically situated in “Calle Colon” or Colon Street, the oldest street in the country, will be unveiled on November 30 as part of the activities during the launching of the Kasadya sa Downtown 2008.

The holding of the Kasadya sa Downtown is part of the City Government’s Downtown Revitalization Project conceived by Acting Mayor Michael Rama to restore the old downtown’s beauty that make Cebuanos proud of.

Rama said the Cebuanos should be glad because Cebu has so many tourist attractions like the famous Magellan’s cross located across the City Hall.

The cross was planted by Ferdinand Magellan beside the Basilica del Santo Niño when it was still a shore.

Tonette Panares of the Women International League said that unknown to many Cebuanos, there are 52 historical sites along Colon Street and one of them is the site where one of the oldest newspapers El Nuevo Dia was being printed.

George Chu of the Downtown Revitalization Project said the activities on November 30 will include the so-called “Heroes Walk” along Colon Street to relive the ancient town that later became the center of the city.

Some city officials will dress on ancient clothes so they would look like the real heroes and leaders of the past as they walk along the country’s oldest street.

Rama will portray the role of Spanish conquestador Miguel Lopez de Legaspi with Councilor Edwin Jagmoc acting as his interpreter.

Councilor Raul Alcoseba will portray Magellan, Councilor Arsenio Pacaña as Pigafetta and Warfe Engracia as King Tupas.

They will start their “history walk down the memory lane” at Pahina Bridge located at corner Panganiban and Colon Streets where the Puente Revolucion market was formerly located.

The members of the tanod unified force will also dress as Katipuneros who fight and died for freedom.

As usual, during the whole month of December, the portion of Colon Street from Osmeña Boulevard up to D. Jakosalem, will be closed to traffic every evening to give way to the night market. – Rene U. Borromeo/WAB (THE FREEMAN)

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=418465&publicationSubCategoryId=107

LordCarnal
November 25th, 2008, 06:25 AM
Recolletos Church

http://www.blogtext.org/userFiles/LateBloomer/Luma/Recollectos%20Church.jpg

LordCarnal
November 25th, 2008, 06:25 AM
Recolletos Church

http://www.blogtext.org/userFiles/LateBloomer/Luma/Recollectos%20Church.jpg

gee
November 25th, 2008, 07:23 PM
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1971/hookworm1eo6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

gee
November 25th, 2008, 07:23 PM
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1971/hookworm1eo6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

gee
November 25th, 2008, 11:47 PM
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3954/bisayady8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

gee
November 25th, 2008, 11:47 PM
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3954/bisayady8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

LordCarnal
November 26th, 2008, 06:41 AM
^^

Father Gee can you speak in Latin? Naa unta ko ipa translate nimo. nice pics by the way.

Regarding the markers in Colon, did you remember that I posted photos of markers in the first Cebu Heritage Walk thread? I think mao na siya na markers..

Here are more photos from Tomas CH Osmena

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/cebucityscenes01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/cebucityscenes02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/cebucityscenes03.jpg

LordCarnal
November 26th, 2008, 06:41 AM
^^

Father Gee can you speak in Latin? Naa unta ko ipa translate nimo. nice pics by the way.

Regarding the markers in Colon, did you remember that I posted photos of markers in the first Cebu Heritage Walk thread? I think mao na siya na markers..

Here are more photos from Tomas CH Osmena

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/cebucityscenes01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/cebucityscenes02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/cebucityscenes03.jpg

gee
November 26th, 2008, 08:12 AM
i can't speak latin but i can read and understand .... ako lang pm nimo akong email add!!!

gee
November 26th, 2008, 08:12 AM
i can't speak latin but i can read and understand .... ako lang pm nimo akong email add!!!

gee
November 26th, 2008, 09:11 PM
from: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-C-SPhilippines/

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-C-SPhilippines/img/USA-C-SPhil-0.jpg

Troops on the beach after the landing on Cebu Island

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-C-SPhilippines/img/USA-C-SPhil-4.jpg

Filipino residents of Cebu City welcome American soldiers


from http://big5.china.com.cn/zhuanti2005/txt/2005-04/08/content_5833363.htm

http://images.china.cn/images/140678.jpg

american troops in cebu

gee
November 26th, 2008, 09:11 PM
from: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-C-SPhilippines/

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-C-SPhilippines/img/USA-C-SPhil-0.jpg

Troops on the beach after the landing on Cebu Island

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-C-SPhilippines/img/USA-C-SPhil-4.jpg

Filipino residents of Cebu City welcome American soldiers


from http://big5.china.com.cn/zhuanti2005/txt/2005-04/08/content_5833363.htm

http://images.china.cn/images/140678.jpg

american troops in cebu

Ka_Bino
November 27th, 2008, 09:03 AM
kinsay nakahibalo, unsa man ni mga markers?

Kasadya sa Downtown: City to unveil 32 historical markers

CEBU - At least 32 of the 54 historical markers strategically situated in “Calle Colon” or Colon Street, the oldest street in the country, will be unveiled on November 30 as part of the activities during the launching of the Kasadya sa Downtown 2008.

The holding of the Kasadya sa Downtown is part of the City Government’s Downtown Revitalization Project conceived by Acting Mayor Michael Rama to restore the old downtown’s beauty that make Cebuanos proud of.

Rama said the Cebuanos should be glad because Cebu has so many tourist attractions like the famous Magellan’s cross located across the City Hall.

The cross was planted by Ferdinand Magellan beside the Basilica del Santo Niño when it was still a shore.

Tonette Panares of the Women International League said that unknown to many Cebuanos, there are 52 historical sites along Colon Street and one of them is the site where one of the oldest newspapers El Nuevo Dia was being printed.

George Chu of the Downtown Revitalization Project said the activities on November 30 will include the so-called “Heroes Walk” along Colon Street to relive the ancient town that later became the center of the city.

Some city officials will dress on ancient clothes so they would look like the real heroes and leaders of the past as they walk along the country’s oldest street.

Rama will portray the role of Spanish conquestador Miguel Lopez de Legaspi with Councilor Edwin Jagmoc acting as his interpreter.

Councilor Raul Alcoseba will portray Magellan, Councilor Arsenio Pacaña as Pigafetta and Warfe Engracia as King Tupas.

They will start their “history walk down the memory lane” at Pahina Bridge located at corner Panganiban and Colon Streets where the Puente Revolucion market was formerly located.

The members of the tanod unified force will also dress as Katipuneros who fight and died for freedom.

As usual, during the whole month of December, the portion of Colon Street from Osmeña Boulevard up to D. Jakosalem, will be closed to traffic every evening to give way to the night market. – Rene U. Borromeo/WAB (THE FREEMAN)

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=418465&publicationSubCategoryId=107

Hehehe I was Asked to be Leon Kilat.. Being a Negrense how could decline

Ka_Bino
November 27th, 2008, 09:03 AM
kinsay nakahibalo, unsa man ni mga markers?

Kasadya sa Downtown: City to unveil 32 historical markers

CEBU - At least 32 of the 54 historical markers strategically situated in “Calle Colon” or Colon Street, the oldest street in the country, will be unveiled on November 30 as part of the activities during the launching of the Kasadya sa Downtown 2008.

The holding of the Kasadya sa Downtown is part of the City Government’s Downtown Revitalization Project conceived by Acting Mayor Michael Rama to restore the old downtown’s beauty that make Cebuanos proud of.

Rama said the Cebuanos should be glad because Cebu has so many tourist attractions like the famous Magellan’s cross located across the City Hall.

The cross was planted by Ferdinand Magellan beside the Basilica del Santo Niño when it was still a shore.

Tonette Panares of the Women International League said that unknown to many Cebuanos, there are 52 historical sites along Colon Street and one of them is the site where one of the oldest newspapers El Nuevo Dia was being printed.

George Chu of the Downtown Revitalization Project said the activities on November 30 will include the so-called “Heroes Walk” along Colon Street to relive the ancient town that later became the center of the city.

Some city officials will dress on ancient clothes so they would look like the real heroes and leaders of the past as they walk along the country’s oldest street.

Rama will portray the role of Spanish conquestador Miguel Lopez de Legaspi with Councilor Edwin Jagmoc acting as his interpreter.

Councilor Raul Alcoseba will portray Magellan, Councilor Arsenio Pacaña as Pigafetta and Warfe Engracia as King Tupas.

They will start their “history walk down the memory lane” at Pahina Bridge located at corner Panganiban and Colon Streets where the Puente Revolucion market was formerly located.

The members of the tanod unified force will also dress as Katipuneros who fight and died for freedom.

As usual, during the whole month of December, the portion of Colon Street from Osmeña Boulevard up to D. Jakosalem, will be closed to traffic every evening to give way to the night market. – Rene U. Borromeo/WAB (THE FREEMAN)

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=418465&publicationSubCategoryId=107

Hehehe I was Asked to be Leon Kilat.. Being a Negrense how could decline

gee
November 27th, 2008, 09:13 AM
Hehehe I was Asked to be Leon Kilat.. Being a Negrense how could decline

unsa may attire nimo ka bino? di ba naa man toy t-shirt si leon kilat nga naay amulets or whatever ....

gee
November 27th, 2008, 09:13 AM
Hehehe I was Asked to be Leon Kilat.. Being a Negrense how could decline

unsa may attire nimo ka bino? di ba naa man toy t-shirt si leon kilat nga naay amulets or whatever ....

Ka_Bino
November 27th, 2008, 09:18 AM
^^ it vestidora but its worn as undershirt

its val sandiego who will provide me with outfit

Ka_Bino
November 27th, 2008, 09:18 AM
^^ it vestidora but its worn as undershirt

its val sandiego who will provide me with outfit

gee
November 27th, 2008, 09:21 AM
oh i see ... para unsa man to? para dili madutlan sa bala?

gee
November 27th, 2008, 09:21 AM
oh i see ... para unsa man to? para dili madutlan sa bala?

Taga Bogo
November 27th, 2008, 12:41 PM
In need of help.

I was going to upload some pictures of terraces of Mantalungon, Dalaguete, Cebu that I took. I find it somewhat interesting and am thinking of sharing those dinhi. Problema lang cant seem to make my photobucket upload the pictures. Can anybody suggest another way na ma post nako dinhi ang pictures that I had mentioned.

Taga Bogo
November 27th, 2008, 12:41 PM
In need of help.

I was going to upload some pictures of terraces of Mantalungon, Dalaguete, Cebu that I took. I find it somewhat interesting and am thinking of sharing those dinhi. Problema lang cant seem to make my photobucket upload the pictures. Can anybody suggest another way na ma post nako dinhi ang pictures that I had mentioned.

gee
November 27th, 2008, 12:52 PM
In need of help.

I was going to upload some pictures of terraces of Mantalungon, Dalaguete, Cebu that I took. I find it somewhat interesting and am thinking of sharing those dinhi. Problema lang cant seem to make my photobucket upload the pictures. Can anybody suggest another way na ma post nako dinhi ang pictures that I had mentioned.

pwede pod sa imageshack:

http://imageshack.us/

gee
November 27th, 2008, 12:52 PM
In need of help.

I was going to upload some pictures of terraces of Mantalungon, Dalaguete, Cebu that I took. I find it somewhat interesting and am thinking of sharing those dinhi. Problema lang cant seem to make my photobucket upload the pictures. Can anybody suggest another way na ma post nako dinhi ang pictures that I had mentioned.

pwede pod sa imageshack:

http://imageshack.us/

Animo
November 27th, 2008, 06:40 PM
Written by Benjamin Layug (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2499:book-review-pride-of-place&catid=32:life&Itemid=68)
Wednesday, 26 November 2008 18:48

http://businessmirror.com.ph/images/stories/Daily_Images/11272008/life-pic03.jpg

This colorful, hefty and sumptuously illustrated coffee-table book, Cebu: Pride of Place, a collaboration between the Arts Council of Cebu Foundation Inc., Cebu’s pioneering arts and culture organization (spearheaded by photography and art lover and SM vice president Maria Eloisa N. Fernan), Tacoma, Washington-bred master lensman E. Billy Mondoñedo, editor Thelma Sioson San Juan, writer Alya Honasan and art director Norinno Hernandez, is a powerful book of images and words that aims to stir pride and passion among Cebuanos. And with good reason. Cebu prides itself as a land of beautiful white sand beaches, abundant marine life, turquoise waters, rugged mountains, rich natural resources, perfect vacation weather and cool highlands, and as home to some of the country’s unique flowering species (dendrobiums, tillandsias, vandas, etc.). But more than anything else, Cebu is an island rich in history, culture and religion. The Philippines’ written history began when Portuguese maritime explorer Ferdinand Magellan landed on its shores and planted the seeds of Christianity. Subsequently, it was also the first to successfully resist Spanish subjugation when local hero Lapu-Lapu vanquished the latter in the Battle of Mactan on April 27, 1521. Cebu has also produced a home-grown president in the person of Sergio Osmeña and some of the most hardworking, hospitable, warm and fun-loving people in the country as personified in their arts, crafts and colorful festivals.

Mondoñedo’s outstanding large-format collection of 349 photographs, all shot with Leica’s M bodies (M6,M7 and M8) and the Sumarit, Sumicron and Elmarit Leitz lenses, celebrates 400 years of Spanish rule and 40 years of American rule with eye-catching photos of some of the best-preserved churches in Argao, Bantayan, Boljo-on, Carcar, Cebu City and Sibonga; 19th and early 20th century ancestral houses (Balay na Tisa, Borromeo House, Casa Gorordo, Garcia-Escaño residence and Yu residence), lighthouses (Bagacay Lighthouse and Capitancillo Lighthouse), government buildings (Cebu Provincial Capitol), notable landmarks such as Magellan’s Cross and the Mactan Shrine; and the country’s oldest and smallest fort, the venerable Fort San Pedro.

Also colorfully documented by Mondoñedo’s camera are Cebu’s natural wonders (Bukilat Cave, Inambakan Falls, Kawasan Falls, Mangudlong Rock Resort, Marmol Cliff, Molobolo Spring and Oslob Beach); the engineering marvels (Marcelo Fernan Bridge) and modern infrastructure (Cebu International Convention Center, SM City Cebu and Marcelo B. Fernan Cebu Press Center) of the booming metropolis of Cebu; the colorful and exuberant Sinulog Festival; the gaudy Taoist Temple; the private art and antique collections of Annie Chen and Lydia Aznar Alfonso; museums (Rizal Memorial Library and Museum and Rizaliana Museum); premier hotels and resorts (Alegre Beach Resort, Badian Island Resort and Spa, Bunzie’s Cove, Kota Beach Resort, Marco Polo Plaza, Maribago Bluewater Beach Resort, Shangri-La Mactan Resort and Spa and Waterfront Cebu City), residential and community developments (Monterrrazas de Cebu), and restaurants and bars (Acqua Restaurant, Café Uno, Z Champagne Bar and The Tinderbox).

Equally highlighted in this book is the island province’s role as a leader of artistic trends and developments in the country, citing Maribago’s guitar makers and the potters of Danao City, as well as the talents of fashion designers (Arcy Gayatin, Felix Yu and Philip Rodriguez), artists (Ernest Santiago, Ivan Acuña, Christopher Murillo and Professor Julian Jumalon), concert pianists (Ingrid Sala Santamaria and Professor Reynaldo Reyes), choirs (Parian Children’s Choir), architects (Arsing Abella, Ed Gallego, Gregorio Segura Sr. and Teodoro Trinidad Sr.), furniture makers (Angelo Salazar, Carlo Tanseco, Josephine Aboitiz-Booth and Kenneth Cobonpue), sculptors (Napoleon Abueva) and fashion-jewelry makers (Miranda Konstantinidu). Stunning underwater photographs, on the other hand, were provided by Erwin Lim.

Cebu: Pride of Place retails at $130 abroad and P3,550 here, and can be obtained at Powerbooks. You can also contact the Arts Council of Cebu at www.artscouncilcebu.com.

Animo
November 27th, 2008, 06:40 PM
Written by Benjamin Layug (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2499:book-review-pride-of-place&catid=32:life&Itemid=68)
Wednesday, 26 November 2008 18:48

http://businessmirror.com.ph/images/stories/Daily_Images/11272008/life-pic03.jpg

This colorful, hefty and sumptuously illustrated coffee-table book, Cebu: Pride of Place, a collaboration between the Arts Council of Cebu Foundation Inc., Cebu’s pioneering arts and culture organization (spearheaded by photography and art lover and SM vice president Maria Eloisa N. Fernan), Tacoma, Washington-bred master lensman E. Billy Mondoñedo, editor Thelma Sioson San Juan, writer Alya Honasan and art director Norinno Hernandez, is a powerful book of images and words that aims to stir pride and passion among Cebuanos. And with good reason. Cebu prides itself as a land of beautiful white sand beaches, abundant marine life, turquoise waters, rugged mountains, rich natural resources, perfect vacation weather and cool highlands, and as home to some of the country’s unique flowering species (dendrobiums, tillandsias, vandas, etc.). But more than anything else, Cebu is an island rich in history, culture and religion. The Philippines’ written history began when Portuguese maritime explorer Ferdinand Magellan landed on its shores and planted the seeds of Christianity. Subsequently, it was also the first to successfully resist Spanish subjugation when local hero Lapu-Lapu vanquished the latter in the Battle of Mactan on April 27, 1521. Cebu has also produced a home-grown president in the person of Sergio Osmeña and some of the most hardworking, hospitable, warm and fun-loving people in the country as personified in their arts, crafts and colorful festivals.

Mondoñedo’s outstanding large-format collection of 349 photographs, all shot with Leica’s M bodies (M6,M7 and M8) and the Sumarit, Sumicron and Elmarit Leitz lenses, celebrates 400 years of Spanish rule and 40 years of American rule with eye-catching photos of some of the best-preserved churches in Argao, Bantayan, Boljo-on, Carcar, Cebu City and Sibonga; 19th and early 20th century ancestral houses (Balay na Tisa, Borromeo House, Casa Gorordo, Garcia-Escaño residence and Yu residence), lighthouses (Bagacay Lighthouse and Capitancillo Lighthouse), government buildings (Cebu Provincial Capitol), notable landmarks such as Magellan’s Cross and the Mactan Shrine; and the country’s oldest and smallest fort, the venerable Fort San Pedro.

Also colorfully documented by Mondoñedo’s camera are Cebu’s natural wonders (Bukilat Cave, Inambakan Falls, Kawasan Falls, Mangudlong Rock Resort, Marmol Cliff, Molobolo Spring and Oslob Beach); the engineering marvels (Marcelo Fernan Bridge) and modern infrastructure (Cebu International Convention Center, SM City Cebu and Marcelo B. Fernan Cebu Press Center) of the booming metropolis of Cebu; the colorful and exuberant Sinulog Festival; the gaudy Taoist Temple; the private art and antique collections of Annie Chen and Lydia Aznar Alfonso; museums (Rizal Memorial Library and Museum and Rizaliana Museum); premier hotels and resorts (Alegre Beach Resort, Badian Island Resort and Spa, Bunzie’s Cove, Kota Beach Resort, Marco Polo Plaza, Maribago Bluewater Beach Resort, Shangri-La Mactan Resort and Spa and Waterfront Cebu City), residential and community developments (Monterrrazas de Cebu), and restaurants and bars (Acqua Restaurant, Café Uno, Z Champagne Bar and The Tinderbox).

Equally highlighted in this book is the island province’s role as a leader of artistic trends and developments in the country, citing Maribago’s guitar makers and the potters of Danao City, as well as the talents of fashion designers (Arcy Gayatin, Felix Yu and Philip Rodriguez), artists (Ernest Santiago, Ivan Acuña, Christopher Murillo and Professor Julian Jumalon), concert pianists (Ingrid Sala Santamaria and Professor Reynaldo Reyes), choirs (Parian Children’s Choir), architects (Arsing Abella, Ed Gallego, Gregorio Segura Sr. and Teodoro Trinidad Sr.), furniture makers (Angelo Salazar, Carlo Tanseco, Josephine Aboitiz-Booth and Kenneth Cobonpue), sculptors (Napoleon Abueva) and fashion-jewelry makers (Miranda Konstantinidu). Stunning underwater photographs, on the other hand, were provided by Erwin Lim.

Cebu: Pride of Place retails at $130 abroad and P3,550 here, and can be obtained at Powerbooks. You can also contact the Arts Council of Cebu at www.artscouncilcebu.com.

Animo
November 27th, 2008, 06:43 PM
^^ I hope to get the book during the summer. :D

Animo
November 27th, 2008, 06:43 PM
^^ I hope to get the book during the summer. :D

flesh_is_weak
November 28th, 2008, 12:28 AM
laysho lagi nang Kasadya sa Downtown :lol:

btw, my current boss is a Tupas...maybe a descendant of Rajah Tupas...that's as close as I could get to working for royalty (for now) :lol:

flesh_is_weak
November 28th, 2008, 12:28 AM
laysho lagi nang Kasadya sa Downtown :lol:

btw, my current boss is a Tupas...maybe a descendant of Rajah Tupas...that's as close as I could get to working for royalty (for now) :lol:

Ang_Bantayanon
November 28th, 2008, 01:07 AM
Looking Back
Searching for Andres Bonifacio

By Ambeth Ocampo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 02:48:00 11/28/2008

A few months back, I received an intriguing text message from Dr. Michael Cullinane of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, who was researching in the Philippine National Archives in Manila. He teased me silly with a “discovery” that I just had to see. Another researcher had stumbled across a document stating that Andres Bonifacio was apprehended on Sept. 29, 1896, shortly after the outbreak of the Philippine Revolution, and brought to the police detachment in the “tranvia” [streetcar] station of Malabon, now a city outside Manila. I pretended to be excited because I didn’t want to spoil the fun just yet. However, I don’t want to let this “discovery” fool the gullible.

I had come across the same document over a decade ago. It said that “Andres Bonifacio” was carrying a “cedula” [residence tax certificate] with personal number 2492892 (perhaps I should place a bet on this number in this weekend’s lotto draw because Sunday, Nov. 30, is Bonifacio Day). The cedula also stated that “Bonifacio” was a native of Tambobo, a resident of Concepcion and 41 years old. His occupation was listed as “formalero” (whatever that means).

There are a number of ways to read this document, but the common thread is that the man was not the Andres Bonifacio of our textbooks. If the cedula is legitimate then we have “Andres Bonifacio” from Malabon apprehended, interrogated and produced by the authorities for “pogi points,” or brownie points. If the cedula is a fake, then it was probably used by the real Bonifacio to mislead the police and military who were hot on his trail. If the document is a fake, then that explains how Bonifacio was able to hold rallies in various places where he would tear up his cedula to emphasize his freedom from Spanish oppression.

I am sure there are people out there who will disagree and make a mountain out of a molehill with this stray document in the National Archives. We leave them to their imagination.

The real search for Bonifacio has been done, not by a historian of the Revolution, but by a demographic historian: Dr. Dan Doeppers, now retired from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. Doeppers graciously shared his data drawn from the “vecindarios,” or residence lists, of Manila’s Tondo area that he combed for the years covering 1889 to 1894. We all know that Bonifacio is from Tondo, but he is not the Hero of Tondo (the titled is reserved for Raja Soliman). Doeppers’ says that the records do not list any Andres Bonifacio in Tondo during those years. He did find the following:

1. Bernabe Bonifacio, age 36, tailor, married (probable wife Rafaela Uy-Tangco, age 29, “cigarrera,” or cigarette maker).

2. Dionisio Bonifacio, age 26 or 36, married, “carrocero” (probable wife Francisca Hilario, age 35, “cigarrera”). The latter had a son named Telesforo Bonifacio, age 6. In another vecindario entry, the same Dionisio Bonifacio’s age is given as 35 and his occupation is listed as tendero. He is still married in this document to the same Francisca Hilario age 37, “cigarrera,” but now they had two children: Telesforo, age 4, and Marcela, age 3.

3. Geronima Bonifacio, 24, “cigarrera.”

You will be amazed at the amount of useless information that Dr Cullinane has for Cebu and Dr. Doeppers for Manila. I can only hope that there are young Filipino historians who will give up the promise of finding some great historical theory and start solid archival work in the Philippine National Archives or better still the archives in Spain and Mexico. It is unfortunate that the Gen-X is separated from their past because of language. I am told that the Instituto Cervantes, the Spanish cultural center in Manila, has record numbers of students who are probably taking Spanish because they can get paid more than English, or should we say American, speakers in call centers. If only a small number of these Spanish proficient Filipinos can start research work in our archives, our past will become relevant to a new generation.

The material from our National Archives makes us ask the question: If Andres Bonifacio cannot be found in the vecindarios of Tondo, where was he all that time? Was he registered in another suburb of Manila? Maybe he was but a temporary resident of Tondo and was not included in the census count? Maybe the person assigned to collect cedula fees from Bonifacio could not find him or was too scared to present a bill? Perhaps the collector pocketed Bonifacio’s cedula money? Was the collector delinquent, negligent or both?

The bottom line is that Bonifacio cannot be found in the resident lists for Tondo. If he was indeed a bona fide resident, why was he not enrolled for the head tax among the “naturales” in Tondo? If Bonifacio did not pay his taxes, he did not have a cedula. If he didn’t have a cedula, what did he tear up during the famous “Grito de Balintawak,” the Cry of Balintawak, or, depending on the book you’re reading, the Cry of Pugadlawin?

History is a very slippery discipline because there is always more than one way to see an event. Then there is the added complication of sources. Whether there is a lot or nothing, the documentation is almost always problematic. Old questions when addressed often reveal new answers, yet Bonifacio remains one of the heroes we should know more about but cannot, pending better research to find new materials and renewed investigation of the scant material we have on hand.

* * *

Comments are welcome at aocampo@ateneo.edu.

Ang_Bantayanon
November 28th, 2008, 01:07 AM
Looking Back
Searching for Andres Bonifacio

By Ambeth Ocampo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 02:48:00 11/28/2008

A few months back, I received an intriguing text message from Dr. Michael Cullinane of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, who was researching in the Philippine National Archives in Manila. He teased me silly with a “discovery” that I just had to see. Another researcher had stumbled across a document stating that Andres Bonifacio was apprehended on Sept. 29, 1896, shortly after the outbreak of the Philippine Revolution, and brought to the police detachment in the “tranvia” [streetcar] station of Malabon, now a city outside Manila. I pretended to be excited because I didn’t want to spoil the fun just yet. However, I don’t want to let this “discovery” fool the gullible.

I had come across the same document over a decade ago. It said that “Andres Bonifacio” was carrying a “cedula” [residence tax certificate] with personal number 2492892 (perhaps I should place a bet on this number in this weekend’s lotto draw because Sunday, Nov. 30, is Bonifacio Day). The cedula also stated that “Bonifacio” was a native of Tambobo, a resident of Concepcion and 41 years old. His occupation was listed as “formalero” (whatever that means).

There are a number of ways to read this document, but the common thread is that the man was not the Andres Bonifacio of our textbooks. If the cedula is legitimate then we have “Andres Bonifacio” from Malabon apprehended, interrogated and produced by the authorities for “pogi points,” or brownie points. If the cedula is a fake, then it was probably used by the real Bonifacio to mislead the police and military who were hot on his trail. If the document is a fake, then that explains how Bonifacio was able to hold rallies in various places where he would tear up his cedula to emphasize his freedom from Spanish oppression.

I am sure there are people out there who will disagree and make a mountain out of a molehill with this stray document in the National Archives. We leave them to their imagination.

The real search for Bonifacio has been done, not by a historian of the Revolution, but by a demographic historian: Dr. Dan Doeppers, now retired from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. Doeppers graciously shared his data drawn from the “vecindarios,” or residence lists, of Manila’s Tondo area that he combed for the years covering 1889 to 1894. We all know that Bonifacio is from Tondo, but he is not the Hero of Tondo (the titled is reserved for Raja Soliman). Doeppers’ says that the records do not list any Andres Bonifacio in Tondo during those years. He did find the following:

1. Bernabe Bonifacio, age 36, tailor, married (probable wife Rafaela Uy-Tangco, age 29, “cigarrera,” or cigarette maker).

2. Dionisio Bonifacio, age 26 or 36, married, “carrocero” (probable wife Francisca Hilario, age 35, “cigarrera”). The latter had a son named Telesforo Bonifacio, age 6. In another vecindario entry, the same Dionisio Bonifacio’s age is given as 35 and his occupation is listed as tendero. He is still married in this document to the same Francisca Hilario age 37, “cigarrera,” but now they had two children: Telesforo, age 4, and Marcela, age 3.

3. Geronima Bonifacio, 24, “cigarrera.”

You will be amazed at the amount of useless information that Dr Cullinane has for Cebu and Dr. Doeppers for Manila. I can only hope that there are young Filipino historians who will give up the promise of finding some great historical theory and start solid archival work in the Philippine National Archives or better still the archives in Spain and Mexico. It is unfortunate that the Gen-X is separated from their past because of language. I am told that the Instituto Cervantes, the Spanish cultural center in Manila, has record numbers of students who are probably taking Spanish because they can get paid more than English, or should we say American, speakers in call centers. If only a small number of these Spanish proficient Filipinos can start research work in our archives, our past will become relevant to a new generation.

The material from our National Archives makes us ask the question: If Andres Bonifacio cannot be found in the vecindarios of Tondo, where was he all that time? Was he registered in another suburb of Manila? Maybe he was but a temporary resident of Tondo and was not included in the census count? Maybe the person assigned to collect cedula fees from Bonifacio could not find him or was too scared to present a bill? Perhaps the collector pocketed Bonifacio’s cedula money? Was the collector delinquent, negligent or both?

The bottom line is that Bonifacio cannot be found in the resident lists for Tondo. If he was indeed a bona fide resident, why was he not enrolled for the head tax among the “naturales” in Tondo? If Bonifacio did not pay his taxes, he did not have a cedula. If he didn’t have a cedula, what did he tear up during the famous “Grito de Balintawak,” the Cry of Balintawak, or, depending on the book you’re reading, the Cry of Pugadlawin?

History is a very slippery discipline because there is always more than one way to see an event. Then there is the added complication of sources. Whether there is a lot or nothing, the documentation is almost always problematic. Old questions when addressed often reveal new answers, yet Bonifacio remains one of the heroes we should know more about but cannot, pending better research to find new materials and renewed investigation of the scant material we have on hand.

* * *

Comments are welcome at aocampo@ateneo.edu.

Taga Bogo
November 28th, 2008, 04:17 AM
pwede pod sa imageshack:

http://imageshack.us/

Thanks will try this one. Naa to na post dinhi na priest ka, sungog lang ni or pari djud :)

Taga Bogo
November 28th, 2008, 04:17 AM
pwede pod sa imageshack:

http://imageshack.us/

Thanks will try this one. Naa to na post dinhi na priest ka, sungog lang ni or pari djud :)

LordCarnal
November 28th, 2008, 05:44 AM
@Ang_Bantayanon


Useless information jud? What's your comment about it? Hehehe.


.:.

LordCarnal
November 28th, 2008, 05:44 AM
@Ang_Bantayanon


Useless information jud? What's your comment about it? Hehehe.


.:.

Ka_Bino
November 28th, 2008, 05:48 AM
Written by Benjamin Layug (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2499:book-review-pride-of-place&catid=32:life&Itemid=68)
Wednesday, 26 November 2008 18:48

http://businessmirror.com.ph/images/stories/Daily_Images/11272008/life-pic03.jpg



nahisgutan na ning Libroha sa miaging tread..

not favorable ang mga comment..

@ Animo you myt find better use of your 3.5k, my centavo worth

Ka_Bino
November 28th, 2008, 05:48 AM
Written by Benjamin Layug (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2499:book-review-pride-of-place&catid=32:life&Itemid=68)
Wednesday, 26 November 2008 18:48

http://businessmirror.com.ph/images/stories/Daily_Images/11272008/life-pic03.jpg



nahisgutan na ning Libroha sa miaging tread..

not favorable ang mga comment..

@ Animo you myt find better use of your 3.5k, my centavo worth

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 05:58 AM
Looking Back
Searching for Andres Bonifacio

By Ambeth Ocampo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 02:48:00 11/28/2008

A few months back, I received an intriguing text message from Dr. Michael Cullinane of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, who was researching in the Philippine National Archives in Manila. He teased me silly with a “discovery” that I just had to see. Another researcher had stumbled across a document stating that Andres Bonifacio was apprehended on Sept. 29, 1896, shortly after the outbreak of the Philippine Revolution, and brought to the police detachment in the “tranvia” [streetcar] station of Malabon, now a city outside Manila. I pretended to be excited because I didn’t want to spoil the fun just yet. However, I don’t want to let this “discovery” fool the gullible.

I had come across the same document over a decade ago. It said that “Andres Bonifacio” was carrying a “cedula” [residence tax certificate] with personal number 2492892 (perhaps I should place a bet on this number in this weekend’s lotto draw because Sunday, Nov. 30, is Bonifacio Day). The cedula also stated that “Bonifacio” was a native of Tambobo, a resident of Concepcion and 41 years old. His occupation was listed as “formalero” (whatever that means).

There are a number of ways to read this document, but the common thread is that the man was not the Andres Bonifacio of our textbooks. If the cedula is legitimate then we have “Andres Bonifacio” from Malabon apprehended, interrogated and produced by the authorities for “pogi points,” or brownie points. If the cedula is a fake, then it was probably used by the real Bonifacio to mislead the police and military who were hot on his trail. If the document is a fake, then that explains how Bonifacio was able to hold rallies in various places where he would tear up his cedula to emphasize his freedom from Spanish oppression.

I am sure there are people out there who will disagree and make a mountain out of a molehill with this stray document in the National Archives. We leave them to their imagination.

The real search for Bonifacio has been done, not by a historian of the Revolution, but by a demographic historian: Dr. Dan Doeppers, now retired from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. Doeppers graciously shared his data drawn from the “vecindarios,” or residence lists, of Manila’s Tondo area that he combed for the years covering 1889 to 1894. We all know that Bonifacio is from Tondo, but he is not the Hero of Tondo (the titled is reserved for Raja Soliman). Doeppers’ says that the records do not list any Andres Bonifacio in Tondo during those years. He did find the following:

1. Bernabe Bonifacio, age 36, tailor, married (probable wife Rafaela Uy-Tangco, age 29, “cigarrera,” or cigarette maker).

2. Dionisio Bonifacio, age 26 or 36, married, “carrocero” (probable wife Francisca Hilario, age 35, “cigarrera”). The latter had a son named Telesforo Bonifacio, age 6. In another vecindario entry, the same Dionisio Bonifacio’s age is given as 35 and his occupation is listed as tendero. He is still married in this document to the same Francisca Hilario age 37, “cigarrera,” but now they had two children: Telesforo, age 4, and Marcela, age 3.

3. Geronima Bonifacio, 24, “cigarrera.”

You will be amazed at the amount of useless information that Dr Cullinane has for Cebu and Dr. Doeppers for Manila. I can only hope that there are young Filipino historians who will give up the promise of finding some great historical theory and start solid archival work in the Philippine National Archives or better still the archives in Spain and Mexico. It is unfortunate that the Gen-X is separated from their past because of language. I am told that the Instituto Cervantes, the Spanish cultural center in Manila, has record numbers of students who are probably taking Spanish because they can get paid more than English, or should we say American, speakers in call centers. If only a small number of these Spanish proficient Filipinos can start research work in our archives, our past will become relevant to a new generation.

The material from our National Archives makes us ask the question: If Andres Bonifacio cannot be found in the vecindarios of Tondo, where was he all that time? Was he registered in another suburb of Manila? Maybe he was but a temporary resident of Tondo and was not included in the census count? Maybe the person assigned to collect cedula fees from Bonifacio could not find him or was too scared to present a bill? Perhaps the collector pocketed Bonifacio’s cedula money? Was the collector delinquent, negligent or both?

The bottom line is that Bonifacio cannot be found in the resident lists for Tondo. If he was indeed a bona fide resident, why was he not enrolled for the head tax among the “naturales” in Tondo? If Bonifacio did not pay his taxes, he did not have a cedula. If he didn’t have a cedula, what did he tear up during the famous “Grito de Balintawak,” the Cry of Balintawak, or, depending on the book you’re reading, the Cry of Pugadlawin?

History is a very slippery discipline because there is always more than one way to see an event. Then there is the added complication of sources. Whether there is a lot or nothing, the documentation is almost always problematic. Old questions when addressed often reveal new answers, yet Bonifacio remains one of the heroes we should know more about but cannot, pending better research to find new materials and renewed investigation of the scant material we have on hand.

* * *

Comments are welcome at aocampo@ateneo.edu.

This is disturbing. If it is true that the Americans deliberately wanted Jose Rizal to be the national hero to be emulated by Filipinos and NOT Bonifacio, then there must have been an effort to obliterate his existence, that's why documents on Bonifacio are hard to come by.

There was this persistent talk that the Americans wanted the "peace-loving" Rizal and not the war-hawk Bonifacio. The better to subjugate the natives and rule them in a"peaceful" manner after the massacreof hundreds of Filipinos during the Filipino-American War.

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 05:58 AM
Looking Back
Searching for Andres Bonifacio

By Ambeth Ocampo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 02:48:00 11/28/2008

A few months back, I received an intriguing text message from Dr. Michael Cullinane of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, who was researching in the Philippine National Archives in Manila. He teased me silly with a “discovery” that I just had to see. Another researcher had stumbled across a document stating that Andres Bonifacio was apprehended on Sept. 29, 1896, shortly after the outbreak of the Philippine Revolution, and brought to the police detachment in the “tranvia” [streetcar] station of Malabon, now a city outside Manila. I pretended to be excited because I didn’t want to spoil the fun just yet. However, I don’t want to let this “discovery” fool the gullible.

I had come across the same document over a decade ago. It said that “Andres Bonifacio” was carrying a “cedula” [residence tax certificate] with personal number 2492892 (perhaps I should place a bet on this number in this weekend’s lotto draw because Sunday, Nov. 30, is Bonifacio Day). The cedula also stated that “Bonifacio” was a native of Tambobo, a resident of Concepcion and 41 years old. His occupation was listed as “formalero” (whatever that means).

There are a number of ways to read this document, but the common thread is that the man was not the Andres Bonifacio of our textbooks. If the cedula is legitimate then we have “Andres Bonifacio” from Malabon apprehended, interrogated and produced by the authorities for “pogi points,” or brownie points. If the cedula is a fake, then it was probably used by the real Bonifacio to mislead the police and military who were hot on his trail. If the document is a fake, then that explains how Bonifacio was able to hold rallies in various places where he would tear up his cedula to emphasize his freedom from Spanish oppression.

I am sure there are people out there who will disagree and make a mountain out of a molehill with this stray document in the National Archives. We leave them to their imagination.

The real search for Bonifacio has been done, not by a historian of the Revolution, but by a demographic historian: Dr. Dan Doeppers, now retired from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. Doeppers graciously shared his data drawn from the “vecindarios,” or residence lists, of Manila’s Tondo area that he combed for the years covering 1889 to 1894. We all know that Bonifacio is from Tondo, but he is not the Hero of Tondo (the titled is reserved for Raja Soliman). Doeppers’ says that the records do not list any Andres Bonifacio in Tondo during those years. He did find the following:

1. Bernabe Bonifacio, age 36, tailor, married (probable wife Rafaela Uy-Tangco, age 29, “cigarrera,” or cigarette maker).

2. Dionisio Bonifacio, age 26 or 36, married, “carrocero” (probable wife Francisca Hilario, age 35, “cigarrera”). The latter had a son named Telesforo Bonifacio, age 6. In another vecindario entry, the same Dionisio Bonifacio’s age is given as 35 and his occupation is listed as tendero. He is still married in this document to the same Francisca Hilario age 37, “cigarrera,” but now they had two children: Telesforo, age 4, and Marcela, age 3.

3. Geronima Bonifacio, 24, “cigarrera.”

You will be amazed at the amount of useless information that Dr Cullinane has for Cebu and Dr. Doeppers for Manila. I can only hope that there are young Filipino historians who will give up the promise of finding some great historical theory and start solid archival work in the Philippine National Archives or better still the archives in Spain and Mexico. It is unfortunate that the Gen-X is separated from their past because of language. I am told that the Instituto Cervantes, the Spanish cultural center in Manila, has record numbers of students who are probably taking Spanish because they can get paid more than English, or should we say American, speakers in call centers. If only a small number of these Spanish proficient Filipinos can start research work in our archives, our past will become relevant to a new generation.

The material from our National Archives makes us ask the question: If Andres Bonifacio cannot be found in the vecindarios of Tondo, where was he all that time? Was he registered in another suburb of Manila? Maybe he was but a temporary resident of Tondo and was not included in the census count? Maybe the person assigned to collect cedula fees from Bonifacio could not find him or was too scared to present a bill? Perhaps the collector pocketed Bonifacio’s cedula money? Was the collector delinquent, negligent or both?

The bottom line is that Bonifacio cannot be found in the resident lists for Tondo. If he was indeed a bona fide resident, why was he not enrolled for the head tax among the “naturales” in Tondo? If Bonifacio did not pay his taxes, he did not have a cedula. If he didn’t have a cedula, what did he tear up during the famous “Grito de Balintawak,” the Cry of Balintawak, or, depending on the book you’re reading, the Cry of Pugadlawin?

History is a very slippery discipline because there is always more than one way to see an event. Then there is the added complication of sources. Whether there is a lot or nothing, the documentation is almost always problematic. Old questions when addressed often reveal new answers, yet Bonifacio remains one of the heroes we should know more about but cannot, pending better research to find new materials and renewed investigation of the scant material we have on hand.

* * *

Comments are welcome at aocampo@ateneo.edu.

This is disturbing. If it is true that the Americans deliberately wanted Jose Rizal to be the national hero to be emulated by Filipinos and NOT Bonifacio, then there must have been an effort to obliterate his existence, that's why documents on Bonifacio are hard to come by.

There was this persistent talk that the Americans wanted the "peace-loving" Rizal and not the war-hawk Bonifacio. The better to subjugate the natives and rule them in a"peaceful" manner after the massacreof hundreds of Filipinos during the Filipino-American War.

Ka_Bino
November 28th, 2008, 06:24 AM
@Ang_Bantayanon


Useless information jud? What's your comment about it? Hehehe.


.:.

coz Dr. Mike's name was mentioned.. can't help but react...

Yes Carl, tons of useless data..

Dr. Cullinane being a researcher more than a writer, all he does is gather, gather, gahter...

one would never knew when a material would be of use..

just a bird's eyeview to the Cullinane Data, it a 5,000 pages of manuscript on Cebu, if it would be writen into a book, i bet Archelogue could give us an estimate on how many volumes would it be..

Samot na ug si Jerry Martin Ang mosuwat hehehe

Ka_Bino
November 28th, 2008, 06:24 AM
@Ang_Bantayanon


Useless information jud? What's your comment about it? Hehehe.


.:.

coz Dr. Mike's name was mentioned.. can't help but react...

Yes Carl, tons of useless data..

Dr. Cullinane being a researcher more than a writer, all he does is gather, gather, gahter...

one would never knew when a material would be of use..

just a bird's eyeview to the Cullinane Data, it a 5,000 pages of manuscript on Cebu, if it would be writen into a book, i bet Archelogue could give us an estimate on how many volumes would it be..

Samot na ug si Jerry Martin Ang mosuwat hehehe

archaeologue
November 28th, 2008, 06:56 AM
coz Dr. Mike's name was mentioned.. can't help but react...

Yes Carl, tons of useless data..

Dr. Cullinane being a researcher more than a writer, all he does is gather, gather, gahter...

one would never knew when a material would be of use..

just a bird's eyeview to the Cullinane Data, it a 5,000 pages of manuscript on Cebu, if it would be writen into a book, i bet Archelogue could give us an estimate on how many volumes would it be..

Samot na ug si Jerry Martin Ang mosuwat hehehe


haha...i would imagine nga daghan jud na'g useless data kay the archives gathered anything and everything that was written or put down on paper or cloth or some other material that you could write on..(well, except pottery kay national museum na pod na nga work).

and many more documents were lost or stolen in the 100+ year life of our national archives.

but then again, it is while plowing through so much useless data that perhaps new information will eventually emerge.


this is like archaeology. every single bit of pottery sherd, every piece of bone and every bit of anything human-made as well as animal and plant remains that we find from our excavations is retrieved, cleaned, dried and assigned an accession number and then encoded in a site database.

these data are basically useless to the present but who knows of what use it might be in the future?

but ambeth does have a point....and historians had better be aware of the need to go into deep historical theorizing instead of resorting to trivia that ironically ambeth has also done and rightly so in order to make history more popular.


:banana:

archaeologue
November 28th, 2008, 06:56 AM
coz Dr. Mike's name was mentioned.. can't help but react...

Yes Carl, tons of useless data..

Dr. Cullinane being a researcher more than a writer, all he does is gather, gather, gahter...

one would never knew when a material would be of use..

just a bird's eyeview to the Cullinane Data, it a 5,000 pages of manuscript on Cebu, if it would be writen into a book, i bet Archelogue could give us an estimate on how many volumes would it be..

Samot na ug si Jerry Martin Ang mosuwat hehehe


haha...i would imagine nga daghan jud na'g useless data kay the archives gathered anything and everything that was written or put down on paper or cloth or some other material that you could write on..(well, except pottery kay national museum na pod na nga work).

and many more documents were lost or stolen in the 100+ year life of our national archives.

but then again, it is while plowing through so much useless data that perhaps new information will eventually emerge.


this is like archaeology. every single bit of pottery sherd, every piece of bone and every bit of anything human-made as well as animal and plant remains that we find from our excavations is retrieved, cleaned, dried and assigned an accession number and then encoded in a site database.

these data are basically useless to the present but who knows of what use it might be in the future?

but ambeth does have a point....and historians had better be aware of the need to go into deep historical theorizing instead of resorting to trivia that ironically ambeth has also done and rightly so in order to make history more popular.


:banana:

archaeologue
November 28th, 2008, 06:59 AM
nahisgutan na ning Libroha sa miaging tread..

not favorable ang mga comment..

@ Animo you myt find better use of your 3.5k, my centavo worth


mao ra ni ako ikasulti: bwahaha!

archaeologue
November 28th, 2008, 06:59 AM
nahisgutan na ning Libroha sa miaging tread..

not favorable ang mga comment..

@ Animo you myt find better use of your 3.5k, my centavo worth


mao ra ni ako ikasulti: bwahaha!

habagatcentral1
November 28th, 2008, 07:40 AM
This is disturbing. If it is true that the Americans deliberately wanted Jose Rizal to be the national hero to be emulated by Filipinos and NOT Bonifacio, then there must have been an effort to obliterate his existence, that's why documents on Bonifacio are hard to come by.

There was this persistent talk that the Americans wanted the "peace-loving" Rizal and not the war-hawk Bonifacio. The better to subjugate the natives and rule them in a"peaceful" manner after the massacreof hundreds of Filipinos during the Filipino-American War.
Read Glen May's work about "Inventing A Hero" and that's another perspective of this Boni fiasco.

habagatcentral1
November 28th, 2008, 07:40 AM
This is disturbing. If it is true that the Americans deliberately wanted Jose Rizal to be the national hero to be emulated by Filipinos and NOT Bonifacio, then there must have been an effort to obliterate his existence, that's why documents on Bonifacio are hard to come by.

There was this persistent talk that the Americans wanted the "peace-loving" Rizal and not the war-hawk Bonifacio. The better to subjugate the natives and rule them in a"peaceful" manner after the massacreof hundreds of Filipinos during the Filipino-American War.
Read Glen May's work about "Inventing A Hero" and that's another perspective of this Boni fiasco.

Taga Bogo
November 28th, 2008, 07:53 AM
Naa man to'y hisgot re terraces in Cebu. The following pictures are terraces in Mantalungon, Dalaguete, Cebu. Ang gipangtanom mga sibuyas dahunan. Though far from Banaue's pero these are better looking than the ones in the north.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9176/img498jpg1mg9.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6937/img4980jpg1bs9.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/563/img4983jpg1zs5.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

Taga Bogo
November 28th, 2008, 07:53 AM
Naa man to'y hisgot re terraces in Cebu. The following pictures are terraces in Mantalungon, Dalaguete, Cebu. Ang gipangtanom mga sibuyas dahunan. Though far from Banaue's pero these are better looking than the ones in the north.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9176/img498jpg1mg9.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6937/img4980jpg1bs9.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/563/img4983jpg1zs5.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

archaeologue
November 28th, 2008, 08:28 AM
Naa man to'y hisgot re terraces in Cebu. The following pictures are terraces in Mantalungon, Dalaguete, Cebu. Ang gipangtanom mga sibuyas dahunan. Though far from Banaue's pero these are better looking than the ones in the north.



http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/563/img4983jpg1zs5.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27


sa imo ning rest house, 'gaw? nindota oi...

archaeologue
November 28th, 2008, 08:28 AM
Naa man to'y hisgot re terraces in Cebu. The following pictures are terraces in Mantalungon, Dalaguete, Cebu. Ang gipangtanom mga sibuyas dahunan. Though far from Banaue's pero these are better looking than the ones in the north.



http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/563/img4983jpg1zs5.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27


sa imo ning rest house, 'gaw? nindota oi...

Animo
November 28th, 2008, 10:25 AM
Ingana ba kabati ang libro? Hehe, basta daghan lang ug retrato ok ra! :D Anyway, has Dr. Mike ever visited the archives of Spain and México. The one in México City would be the best place to look more since they copy everything for the Philippines during colonial times.

Animo
November 28th, 2008, 10:25 AM
Ingana ba kabati ang libro? Hehe, basta daghan lang ug retrato ok ra! :D Anyway, has Dr. Mike ever visited the archives of Spain and México. The one in México City would be the best place to look more since they copy everything for the Philippines during colonial times.

Ang_Bantayanon
November 28th, 2008, 01:54 PM
Actually, Ambeth wasn't trying to demean Dr. Cullinane rather it was a playful statement or it was a statement said in a jest. We shouldn't react immediately to it. Some people would find it offensive because they don't read between the lines or don't know how to read between the lines.

This is the frequent reason why some get into trouble because some either don't read the entire statement or don't read between the lines (or don't have the mental capacity to do both).
:ohno:
What Ambeth means is that the information was just too much and were beyond the usual that he himself has collected while doing research.

Ambeth is a respected historian (one who studied, trained to be one and is very passionate about his trade) so that he is very careful with his statements and wouldn't dare insult an equally respected colleague who is more Filipino than most of us. :banana:

Ang_Bantayanon
November 28th, 2008, 01:54 PM
Actually, Ambeth wasn't trying to demean Dr. Cullinane rather it was a playful statement or it was a statement said in a jest. We shouldn't react immediately to it. Some people would find it offensive because they don't read between the lines or don't know how to read between the lines.

This is the frequent reason why some get into trouble because some either don't read the entire statement or don't read between the lines (or don't have the mental capacity to do both).
:ohno:
What Ambeth means is that the information was just too much and were beyond the usual that he himself has collected while doing research.

Ambeth is a respected historian (one who studied, trained to be one and is very passionate about his trade) so that he is very careful with his statements and wouldn't dare insult an equally respected colleague who is more Filipino than most of us. :banana:

Ka_Bino
November 28th, 2008, 02:21 PM
^^ Chill Bantayanon...

There was no mention of demeaning Dr. Mike...

And i think neither I nor Archeaologue was looking @ the "Useless data" as demeaning.

i just point out to Carl that most of the data are indeed useless at one point.

then Archeaologue also point out that from the dig most would be useless piece at a certain point..

Hehehe

I think Archeaologue and I read whats in between the line

:lol:

@ Bantayanon my apology ikaw man diay to gipangayoan ni Carl og opinion

Ka_Bino
November 28th, 2008, 02:21 PM
^^ Chill Bantayanon...

There was no mention of demeaning Dr. Mike...

And i think neither I nor Archeaologue was looking @ the "Useless data" as demeaning.

i just point out to Carl that most of the data are indeed useless at one point.

then Archeaologue also point out that from the dig most would be useless piece at a certain point..

Hehehe

I think Archeaologue and I read whats in between the line

:lol:

@ Bantayanon my apology ikaw man diay to gipangayoan ni Carl og opinion

Ang_Bantayanon
November 28th, 2008, 02:33 PM
^^ Chill Ka Benny

I didn't mention anyone in my post, neither you nor Archaeologue...
Anyway, inosente kaayo ang gisuwat ni Ambeth.
It doesn't need to be misconstrued. :lol::lol::lol:

Ang_Bantayanon
November 28th, 2008, 02:33 PM
^^ Chill Ka Benny

I didn't mention anyone in my post, neither you nor Archaeologue...
Anyway, inosente kaayo ang gisuwat ni Ambeth.
It doesn't need to be misconstrued. :lol::lol::lol:

Ka_Bino
November 28th, 2008, 02:56 PM
^^ but its A Fact, be in the Archives or in the Dig..

"Useless Data" are plenty... but one never knows kung anus-a kini mapuslan...

Ka_Bino
November 28th, 2008, 02:56 PM
^^ but its A Fact, be in the Archives or in the Dig..

"Useless Data" are plenty... but one never knows kung anus-a kini mapuslan...

Ang_Bantayanon
November 28th, 2008, 03:04 PM
that's right.
if everyone asks sir mike's data, it will help solve the lack of data faced by history writers from the different towns and cities now.. so the data aren't useless at all.

Ang_Bantayanon
November 28th, 2008, 03:04 PM
that's right.
if everyone asks sir mike's data, it will help solve the lack of data faced by history writers from the different towns and cities now.. so the data aren't useless at all.

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Naa man to'y hisgot re terraces in Cebu. The following pictures are terraces in Mantalungon, Dalaguete, Cebu. Ang gipangtanom mga sibuyas dahunan. Though far from Banaue's pero these are better looking than the ones in the north.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9176/img498jpg1mg9.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6937/img4980jpg1bs9.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/563/img4983jpg1zs5.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

These terraces in Mantalongon are fairly recent, as in the last 50 years or so, when the coal mine was opened. The original coal mine workers which were hired by the Manguerras were Igorot or people from the Mountain Province who were recruited from the gold mines there.

That's why vegetable farming was started in Mantalongon too. Notice that the baskets used by the farmers in Mantalongon to haul their produce from the mountains to the market are shaped like the cone shaped baskets of the Igorots. Even their way of carrying the baskets mirror that of the Igorots.

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Naa man to'y hisgot re terraces in Cebu. The following pictures are terraces in Mantalungon, Dalaguete, Cebu. Ang gipangtanom mga sibuyas dahunan. Though far from Banaue's pero these are better looking than the ones in the north.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9176/img498jpg1mg9.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6937/img4980jpg1bs9.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/563/img4983jpg1zs5.jpg
By tagabogo (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/tagabogo) at 2008-11-27

These terraces in Mantalongon are fairly recent, as in the last 50 years or so, when the coal mine was opened. The original coal mine workers which were hired by the Manguerras were Igorot or people from the Mountain Province who were recruited from the gold mines there.

That's why vegetable farming was started in Mantalongon too. Notice that the baskets used by the farmers in Mantalongon to haul their produce from the mountains to the market are shaped like the cone shaped baskets of the Igorots. Even their way of carrying the baskets mirror that of the Igorots.

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 04:00 PM
that's right.
if everyone asks sir mike's data, it will help solve the lack of data faced by history writers from the different towns and cities now.. so the data aren't useless at all.

Hi, Tri! I just bought Mike's "Ilustrado Politics" from Fully Booked. It promises to be a good read. Resil's talk which he delivered in UP about a lifetime ago started me on this search for the history of Cebu's freedom fighters at the turn of the century.

I gleaned a lot of culinary tips in the process, he he he

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 04:00 PM
that's right.
if everyone asks sir mike's data, it will help solve the lack of data faced by history writers from the different towns and cities now.. so the data aren't useless at all.

Hi, Tri! I just bought Mike's "Ilustrado Politics" from Fully Booked. It promises to be a good read. Resil's talk which he delivered in UP about a lifetime ago started me on this search for the history of Cebu's freedom fighters at the turn of the century.

I gleaned a lot of culinary tips in the process, he he he

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 04:07 PM
kinsay nakahibalo, unsa man ni mga markers?

Kasadya sa Downtown: City to unveil 32 historical markers

CEBU - At least 32 of the 54 historical markers strategically situated in “Calle Colon” or Colon Street, the oldest street in the country, will be unveiled on November 30 as part of the activities during the launching of the Kasadya sa Downtown 2008.

The holding of the Kasadya sa Downtown is part of the City Government’s Downtown Revitalization Project conceived by Acting Mayor Michael Rama to restore the old downtown’s beauty that make Cebuanos proud of.

Rama said the Cebuanos should be glad because Cebu has so many tourist attractions like the famous Magellan’s cross located across the City Hall.

The cross was planted by Ferdinand Magellan beside the Basilica del Santo Niño when it was still a shore.

Tonette Panares of the Women International League said that unknown to many Cebuanos, there are 52 historical sites along Colon Street and one of them is the site where one of the oldest newspapers El Nuevo Dia was being printed.

George Chu of the Downtown Revitalization Project said the activities on November 30 will include the so-called “Heroes Walk” along Colon Street to relive the ancient town that later became the center of the city.

Some city officials will dress on ancient clothes so they would look like the real heroes and leaders of the past as they walk along the country’s oldest street.

Rama will portray the role of Spanish conquestador Miguel Lopez de Legaspi with Councilor Edwin Jagmoc acting as his interpreter.

Councilor Raul Alcoseba will portray Magellan, Councilor Arsenio Pacaña as Pigafetta and Warfe Engracia as King Tupas.

They will start their “history walk down the memory lane” at Pahina Bridge located at corner Panganiban and Colon Streets where the Puente Revolucion market was formerly located.

The members of the tanod unified force will also dress as Katipuneros who fight and died for freedom.

As usual, during the whole month of December, the portion of Colon Street from Osmeña Boulevard up to D. Jakosalem, will be closed to traffic every evening to give way to the night market. – Rene U. Borromeo/WAB (THE FREEMAN)

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=418465&publicationSubCategoryId=107

Sometime in 2001, the Wil or Women's International League commissioned
Rodolfo Alix to make the Colon Markers based on old picture of Colon Street which can be seen in Casa Gorordo. They asked him to make a big one for the pylon and 60 smaller ones of the same marker for the rest of the places in Colon which they wanted to mark. So far 32 have been put up. It took the city 7 years to recognize the efforts of these old ladies. to beautify Colon St.

The original big marker was installed in the lower part of the pylon and was unveiled by then NHI director Pablo Trillana in 2001.

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 04:07 PM
kinsay nakahibalo, unsa man ni mga markers?

Kasadya sa Downtown: City to unveil 32 historical markers

CEBU - At least 32 of the 54 historical markers strategically situated in “Calle Colon” or Colon Street, the oldest street in the country, will be unveiled on November 30 as part of the activities during the launching of the Kasadya sa Downtown 2008.

The holding of the Kasadya sa Downtown is part of the City Government’s Downtown Revitalization Project conceived by Acting Mayor Michael Rama to restore the old downtown’s beauty that make Cebuanos proud of.

Rama said the Cebuanos should be glad because Cebu has so many tourist attractions like the famous Magellan’s cross located across the City Hall.

The cross was planted by Ferdinand Magellan beside the Basilica del Santo Niño when it was still a shore.

Tonette Panares of the Women International League said that unknown to many Cebuanos, there are 52 historical sites along Colon Street and one of them is the site where one of the oldest newspapers El Nuevo Dia was being printed.

George Chu of the Downtown Revitalization Project said the activities on November 30 will include the so-called “Heroes Walk” along Colon Street to relive the ancient town that later became the center of the city.

Some city officials will dress on ancient clothes so they would look like the real heroes and leaders of the past as they walk along the country’s oldest street.

Rama will portray the role of Spanish conquestador Miguel Lopez de Legaspi with Councilor Edwin Jagmoc acting as his interpreter.

Councilor Raul Alcoseba will portray Magellan, Councilor Arsenio Pacaña as Pigafetta and Warfe Engracia as King Tupas.

They will start their “history walk down the memory lane” at Pahina Bridge located at corner Panganiban and Colon Streets where the Puente Revolucion market was formerly located.

The members of the tanod unified force will also dress as Katipuneros who fight and died for freedom.

As usual, during the whole month of December, the portion of Colon Street from Osmeña Boulevard up to D. Jakosalem, will be closed to traffic every evening to give way to the night market. – Rene U. Borromeo/WAB (THE FREEMAN)

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=418465&publicationSubCategoryId=107

Sometime in 2001, the Wil or Women's International League commissioned
Rodolfo Alix to make the Colon Markers based on old picture of Colon Street which can be seen in Casa Gorordo. They asked him to make a big one for the pylon and 60 smaller ones of the same marker for the rest of the places in Colon which they wanted to mark. So far 32 have been put up. It took the city 7 years to recognize the efforts of these old ladies. to beautify Colon St.

The original big marker was installed in the lower part of the pylon and was unveiled by then NHI director Pablo Trillana in 2001.

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 04:11 PM
Recolletos Church

http://www.blogtext.org/userFiles/LateBloomer/Luma/Recollectos%20Church.jpg

So this is the church from where the San Agustin Museum got the beautiful huge retablo. It still awes me everytime I look at it.

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 04:11 PM
Recolletos Church

http://www.blogtext.org/userFiles/LateBloomer/Luma/Recollectos%20Church.jpg

So this is the church from where the San Agustin Museum got the beautiful huge retablo. It still awes me everytime I look at it.

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 04:14 PM
is there really such a thing as authentic dish? i mean what if someone adds on to an existing recipe or innovates from an older one, which is a very, very common practice all over the world...please enlighten us, Ang Karaang Tawo, on the criteria for determining an authentic dish...lami tingali lutuan jud mi ani ha...hehehe.


going back to the "fake" humba or hungba as the chinese would say, i do not think this is just found in the oslob caterer. you will find this way of cooking adobo-cut pork nga pinauga nga naglangoy sa mantika sa halos tanang pista that i have attended all over cebu....what is it called then?

incidentally, the hungba in singapore and macau literally swim in soy sauce mixed with water with a lot of black beans.

Please give me time to answer this post Your Highness! This needs a serious reply, you know. I may be frivoluos in some aspects,but I always treat food seriously. So just you wait!:)

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 28th, 2008, 04:14 PM
is there really such a thing as authentic dish? i mean what if someone adds on to an existing recipe or innovates from an older one, which is a very, very common practice all over the world...please enlighten us, Ang Karaang Tawo, on the criteria for determining an authentic dish...lami tingali lutuan jud mi ani ha...hehehe.


going back to the "fake" humba or hungba as the chinese would say, i do not think this is just found in the oslob caterer. you will find this way of cooking adobo-cut pork nga pinauga nga naglangoy sa mantika sa halos tanang pista that i have attended all over cebu....what is it called then?

incidentally, the hungba in singapore and macau literally swim in soy sauce mixed with water with a lot of black beans.

Please give me time to answer this post Your Highness! This needs a serious reply, you know. I may be frivoluos in some aspects,but I always treat food seriously. So just you wait!:)

gee
November 28th, 2008, 04:34 PM
@archeologue, mao ni latest project nimo?


Dig Argao!
By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 11:22:00 11/27/2008
What secrets may lie beneath the old Spanish center of Argao, the pueblo, will soon be recovered through an archaeological project funded by the committee on sites, relics and structures of the Cebu Provincial Tourism and Heritage Council. Thanks to Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia, funding has been provided to bring to Argao the same National Museum team that excavated Boljoon just recently. Excavations are expected to start on Dec. 3, with a public presentation of finds on Dec. 22 as a closing activity of the project. The project is also supported by the University of San Carlos, through the Department of Sociology and Anthropology, as well as the University Museum.

An ocular inspection of the site was conducted yesterday where the team, led by Amalia de la Torre and this columnist, was met by the heritage-savvy Councilor Vip Semilla, who introduced everyone to the dynamic first-term mayor of Argao, Edsel Galeos. The mayor was enthusiastic in his support of the project even as he requested that the planned meeting with stakeholders be conducted as soon as the team has settled.

Keenly aware that misconceptions may arise when excavations at a very important piece of Argao’s history are carried out, the mayor expressed what every other chief executive worthy of his or her salt ought to do: ensure that local town leaders and influentials are properly informed and keyed into the project early on. This meeting is scheduled to be held at the plaza in the evening of Dec. 3, Wednesday.

In the midst of our courtesy call with the mayor, we learned that he was already in the planning stage to set up a historical commission to take care of the important heritage structures and the intangibles that make up Argao’s long history. Officially considered a town by 1608, Argao was actually one of the nine vicariates (Boljoon included) established by the Augustinian Definitory of 1599. But its establishment as a “reduccion” may have come later as its founding date suggests. Reducciones, to recall, were settlements created by early Spanish authorities to force the natives to congregate and live in one compact area for ease in Catholic conversion and in the collection of tributes.

Like Boljoon (as well as Daanglungsod of Oslob) and other fortified settlements, Argao still retains sections of the old walls that used to enclose the plaza complex comprising the church, the plaza mayor with the casa real or municipal hall across and the houses of the local gentry, called the “principalia,” lining the other sides of the plaza.

Because no records survive concerning how sites were selected to become reducciones, one can only surmise that perhaps these were already settled by barangays, kin-based groups comprising 30 to 100 families compacted together along sources of freshwater and marine resources (fish and shellfish) with a forest nearby for sources of meat and fruits. This may have been the case for Argao and Boljoon, as well as many other reducciones. But until archaeological excavations are conducted, these suppositions remain unproven.

It is therefore another achievement of the Cebu provincial government that, while pouring resources for roads and infrastructure, we find the governor keenly aware of the need to preserve the past and not just by protecting its remnants but by also allowing science to try to understand it better in order to better explain it to the present and the future.

gee
November 28th, 2008, 04:34 PM
@archeologue, mao ni latest project nimo?


Dig Argao!
By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 11:22:00 11/27/2008
What secrets may lie beneath the old Spanish center of Argao, the pueblo, will soon be recovered through an archaeological project funded by the committee on sites, relics and structures of the Cebu Provincial Tourism and Heritage Council. Thanks to Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia, funding has been provided to bring to Argao the same National Museum team that excavated Boljoon just recently. Excavations are expected to start on Dec. 3, with a public presentation of finds on Dec. 22 as a closing activity of the project. The project is also supported by the University of San Carlos, through the Department of Sociology and Anthropology, as well as the University Museum.

An ocular inspection of the site was conducted yesterday where the team, led by Amalia de la Torre and this columnist, was met by the heritage-savvy Councilor Vip Semilla, who introduced everyone to the dynamic first-term mayor of Argao, Edsel Galeos. The mayor was enthusiastic in his support of the project even as he requested that the planned meeting with stakeholders be conducted as soon as the team has settled.

Keenly aware that misconceptions may arise when excavations at a very important piece of Argao’s history are carried out, the mayor expressed what every other chief executive worthy of his or her salt ought to do: ensure that local town leaders and influentials are properly informed and keyed into the project early on. This meeting is scheduled to be held at the plaza in the evening of Dec. 3, Wednesday.

In the midst of our courtesy call with the mayor, we learned that he was already in the planning stage to set up a historical commission to take care of the important heritage structures and the intangibles that make up Argao’s long history. Officially considered a town by 1608, Argao was actually one of the nine vicariates (Boljoon included) established by the Augustinian Definitory of 1599. But its establishment as a “reduccion” may have come later as its founding date suggests. Reducciones, to recall, were settlements created by early Spanish authorities to force the natives to congregate and live in one compact area for ease in Catholic conversion and in the collection of tributes.

Like Boljoon (as well as Daanglungsod of Oslob) and other fortified settlements, Argao still retains sections of the old walls that used to enclose the plaza complex comprising the church, the plaza mayor with the casa real or municipal hall across and the houses of the local gentry, called the “principalia,” lining the other sides of the plaza.

Because no records survive concerning how sites were selected to become reducciones, one can only surmise that perhaps these were already settled by barangays, kin-based groups comprising 30 to 100 families compacted together along sources of freshwater and marine resources (fish and shellfish) with a forest nearby for sources of meat and fruits. This may have been the case for Argao and Boljoon, as well as many other reducciones. But until archaeological excavations are conducted, these suppositions remain unproven.

It is therefore another achievement of the Cebu provincial government that, while pouring resources for roads and infrastructure, we find the governor keenly aware of the need to preserve the past and not just by protecting its remnants but by also allowing science to try to understand it better in order to better explain it to the present and the future.

archaeologue
November 28th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Please give me time to answer this post Your Highness! This needs a serious reply, you know. I may be frivoluos in some aspects,but I always treat food seriously. So just you wait!:)


The better thing to do is to cook us humba lagi, Ang Karaang Tawo.

I've tasted your salads and they are a feast to the eyes and a pleasure to the tongue while adding more healthful years to life!

so, when man ta mangaon ani oi?


besides, i finally leanred that what i was describing is what is called adobaw or something like that among the folks in the towns and the upland barrios i have been to.

:banana:

archaeologue
November 28th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Please give me time to answer this post Your Highness! This needs a serious reply, you know. I may be frivoluos in some aspects,but I always treat food seriously. So just you wait!:)


The better thing to do is to cook us humba lagi, Ang Karaang Tawo.

I've tasted your salads and they are a feast to the eyes and a pleasure to the tongue while adding more healthful years to life!

so, when man ta mangaon ani oi?


besides, i finally leanred that what i was describing is what is called adobaw or something like that among the folks in the towns and the upland barrios i have been to.

:banana:

archaeologue
November 28th, 2008, 05:54 PM
@archeologue, mao ni latest project nimo?


Dig Argao!
By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 11:22:00 11/27/2008
What secrets may lie beneath the old Spanish center of Argao, the pueblo, will soon be recovered through an archaeological project funded by the committee on sites, relics and structures of the Cebu Provincial Tourism and Heritage Council. Thanks to Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia, funding has been provided to bring to Argao the same National Museum team that excavated Boljoon just recently. Excavations are expected to start on Dec. 3, with a public presentation of finds on Dec. 22 as a closing activity of the project. The project is also supported by the University of San Carlos, through the Department of Sociology and Anthropology, as well as the University Museum.




kaluoy sa diyos, mao gyud intawn....here's crossing my fingers hoping that something really lies beneath the old plaza mayor.

archaeologue
November 28th, 2008, 05:54 PM
@archeologue, mao ni latest project nimo?


Dig Argao!
By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 11:22:00 11/27/2008
What secrets may lie beneath the old Spanish center of Argao, the pueblo, will soon be recovered through an archaeological project funded by the committee on sites, relics and structures of the Cebu Provincial Tourism and Heritage Council. Thanks to Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia, funding has been provided to bring to Argao the same National Museum team that excavated Boljoon just recently. Excavations are expected to start on Dec. 3, with a public presentation of finds on Dec. 22 as a closing activity of the project. The project is also supported by the University of San Carlos, through the Department of Sociology and Anthropology, as well as the University Museum.




kaluoy sa diyos, mao gyud intawn....here's crossing my fingers hoping that something really lies beneath the old plaza mayor.

gee
November 28th, 2008, 09:40 PM
kaluoy sa diyos, mao gyud intawn....here's crossing my fingers hoping that something really lies beneath the old plaza mayor.

good luck!!!!

gee
November 28th, 2008, 09:40 PM
kaluoy sa diyos, mao gyud intawn....here's crossing my fingers hoping that something really lies beneath the old plaza mayor.

good luck!!!!

Cebuski78
November 28th, 2008, 10:43 PM
So this is the church from where the San Agustin Museum got the beautiful huge retablo. It still awes me everytime I look at it.

naa pa ni ron nga church? ang recolletos church..

Cebuski78
November 28th, 2008, 10:43 PM
So this is the church from where the San Agustin Museum got the beautiful huge retablo. It still awes me everytime I look at it.

naa pa ni ron nga church? ang recolletos church..

Taga Bogo
November 28th, 2008, 11:29 PM
sa imo ning rest house, 'gaw? nindota oi...

Re "sa imo ning rest house" .... how I wish, in my dreams lang siguro. Nag laag laag lang ko didto uy.

Taga Bogo
November 28th, 2008, 11:29 PM
sa imo ning rest house, 'gaw? nindota oi...

Re "sa imo ning rest house" .... how I wish, in my dreams lang siguro. Nag laag laag lang ko didto uy.

Taga Bogo
November 28th, 2008, 11:33 PM
These terraces in Mantalongon are fairly recent, as in the last 50 years or so, when the coal mine was opened. The original coal mine workers which were hired by the Manguerras were Igorot or people from the Mountain Province who were recruited from the gold mines there.

That's why vegetable farming was started in Mantalongon too. Notice that the baskets used by the farmers in Mantalongon to haul their produce from the mountains to the market are shaped like the cone shaped baskets of the Igorots. Even their way of carrying the baskets mirror that of the Igorots.

Thanks for this info "to haul their produce from the mountains to the market are shaped like the cone shaped baskets". Always had wondered where the similarity started.

Taga Bogo
November 28th, 2008, 11:33 PM
These terraces in Mantalongon are fairly recent, as in the last 50 years or so, when the coal mine was opened. The original coal mine workers which were hired by the Manguerras were Igorot or people from the Mountain Province who were recruited from the gold mines there.

That's why vegetable farming was started in Mantalongon too. Notice that the baskets used by the farmers in Mantalongon to haul their produce from the mountains to the market are shaped like the cone shaped baskets of the Igorots. Even their way of carrying the baskets mirror that of the Igorots.

Thanks for this info "to haul their produce from the mountains to the market are shaped like the cone shaped baskets". Always had wondered where the similarity started.

archaeologue
November 29th, 2008, 12:02 PM
naa pa ni ron nga church? ang recolletos church..

nope...torn down in the 1960s by the recollect fathers to give way to a modern college campus (USJ-R) and chapel.

faet!

:bash:

archaeologue
November 29th, 2008, 12:02 PM
naa pa ni ron nga church? ang recolletos church..

nope...torn down in the 1960s by the recollect fathers to give way to a modern college campus (USJ-R) and chapel.

faet!

:bash:

archaeologue
November 29th, 2008, 12:04 PM
These terraces in Mantalongon are fairly recent, as in the last 50 years or so, when the coal mine was opened. The original coal mine workers which were hired by the Manguerras were Igorot or people from the Mountain Province who were recruited from the gold mines there.

That's why vegetable farming was started in Mantalongon too. Notice that the baskets used by the farmers in Mantalongon to haul their produce from the mountains to the market are shaped like the cone shaped baskets of the Igorots. Even their way of carrying the baskets mirror that of the Igorots.

wow! this is really, really new info to me....and very revealing too! i really need to talk to ma'am terry about this coal mine also.

archaeologue
November 29th, 2008, 12:04 PM
These terraces in Mantalongon are fairly recent, as in the last 50 years or so, when the coal mine was opened. The original coal mine workers which were hired by the Manguerras were Igorot or people from the Mountain Province who were recruited from the gold mines there.

That's why vegetable farming was started in Mantalongon too. Notice that the baskets used by the farmers in Mantalongon to haul their produce from the mountains to the market are shaped like the cone shaped baskets of the Igorots. Even their way of carrying the baskets mirror that of the Igorots.

wow! this is really, really new info to me....and very revealing too! i really need to talk to ma'am terry about this coal mine also.

archaeologue
November 29th, 2008, 12:04 PM
good luck!!!!


daghang salamat!

archaeologue
November 29th, 2008, 12:04 PM
good luck!!!!


daghang salamat!

MatudNilaBaby
November 29th, 2008, 12:40 PM
The better thing to do is to cook us humba lagi, Ang Karaang Tawo.

I've tasted your salads and they are a feast to the eyes and a pleasure to the tongue while adding more healthful years to life!

so, when man ta mangaon ani oi?


besides, i finally leanred that what i was describing is what is called adobaw or something like that among the folks in the towns and the upland barrios i have been to.

:banana:

lami biya gyud nang humba bisan ug high cholesterol. i think adobaw is adobo nga gamay ra ug sabaw or more or less guisado. mao bisan unsang pakolor imong ibutang patis para brown ang color or ketchup ba kon pula or orange ang kolor. but they all taste good.

ang adobo diri sa america nga akong natilawan mora ug adobaw style kay dunay may sabaw na mora nahinoong humba ang taste. unya kanang gitawag nato ug adobo sa cebu or bisaya parang lechon kawali na diri.

MatudNilaBaby
November 29th, 2008, 12:40 PM
The better thing to do is to cook us humba lagi, Ang Karaang Tawo.

I've tasted your salads and they are a feast to the eyes and a pleasure to the tongue while adding more healthful years to life!

so, when man ta mangaon ani oi?


besides, i finally leanred that what i was describing is what is called adobaw or something like that among the folks in the towns and the upland barrios i have been to.

:banana:

lami biya gyud nang humba bisan ug high cholesterol. i think adobaw is adobo nga gamay ra ug sabaw or more or less guisado. mao bisan unsang pakolor imong ibutang patis para brown ang color or ketchup ba kon pula or orange ang kolor. but they all taste good.

ang adobo diri sa america nga akong natilawan mora ug adobaw style kay dunay may sabaw na mora nahinoong humba ang taste. unya kanang gitawag nato ug adobo sa cebu or bisaya parang lechon kawali na diri.

LordCarnal
November 29th, 2008, 02:37 PM
Regarding the Recollect Church, here's a repost of the old photos of the retablos. Kudos to Glenn Leyson and to the Recollect priest who uploaded these in Flickr.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/recoletos/recoletos_03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/recoletos/recoletos_02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/recoletos/recoletos_01.jpg

LordCarnal
November 29th, 2008, 02:37 PM
Regarding the Recollect Church, here's a repost of the old photos of the retablos. Kudos to Glenn Leyson and to the Recollect priest who uploaded these in Flickr.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/recoletos/recoletos_03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/recoletos/recoletos_02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/recoletos/recoletos_01.jpg

LordCarnal
November 29th, 2008, 02:44 PM
HISTORICAL BACKGROUND
http://www.recoletos.ph/article/articleview/21/1/10/

http://www.recoletos.ph/ezimagecatalogue/catalogue/variations/1100-475x1000.jpg

The Parish of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Cebu City is relatively new. It was canonically erected on January 1, 1971 by the late Cardinal Julio Rosales. However, its foundation dates back to as early as June 1621 when the first Recollects set foot in Cebu. Bishop Arce gave them a place outside the walls of the city, with a small chapel (hermitage) dedicated to the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Later on (in an undetermined date) a church was constructed in the place of the Hermitage which came to be known as the Recoletos church.

In 1964 the honored Recoletos Church gave way to the construction of a more spacious and modern one. It is elevated by four meters above the street; it is sixty-five meters long and twenty meters wide; it was constructed in such as way that the faithful can see the altar from all angles; it seats 1, 200 faithful at a time. It was dedicated by his Eminence Julio Cardinal Rosales on March 18, 1966. When it became a parish in 1971, Fr. Pio Santillana was appointed the first parish priest.

This church became likewise the center of devotion to Our Lady of Mt. Carmel in the South. Because of this devotion, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel became the patroness of the parish when it was erected in 1971. The original titular of Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception was transferred to the Cathedral which has been the center of the cult of the Immaculate Conception from 1895 till at present. This church is also the center of devotion to Saint Joseph, Protector of the Order, and Saint Lucy, Virgin and Martyr.

Most of the parishioners of Mt. Carmel Parish belong to the lower socio-economic level, with a big number of adults having no permanent employment. Some of the parishioners, like temporary employees/workers and students, do not have permanent residence. It is the commitment of the Recollects to take care of the spiritual needs as well as look after the development and well-being of the parishioners, especially the poor ones. In this mission, they have been helped by the Administration, Staff and students of the University of San Jose-Recoletos. They have the assistance of the community outreach programs of the same University. This is a challenge for the present as well as the future Recollects who may be assigned in this field of apostolate.

Source: OAR Parishes Manual, edited by Samson Silloriquez, OAR (1999).

LordCarnal
November 29th, 2008, 02:44 PM
HISTORICAL BACKGROUND
http://www.recoletos.ph/article/articleview/21/1/10/

http://www.recoletos.ph/ezimagecatalogue/catalogue/variations/1100-475x1000.jpg

The Parish of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Cebu City is relatively new. It was canonically erected on January 1, 1971 by the late Cardinal Julio Rosales. However, its foundation dates back to as early as June 1621 when the first Recollects set foot in Cebu. Bishop Arce gave them a place outside the walls of the city, with a small chapel (hermitage) dedicated to the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Later on (in an undetermined date) a church was constructed in the place of the Hermitage which came to be known as the Recoletos church.

In 1964 the honored Recoletos Church gave way to the construction of a more spacious and modern one. It is elevated by four meters above the street; it is sixty-five meters long and twenty meters wide; it was constructed in such as way that the faithful can see the altar from all angles; it seats 1, 200 faithful at a time. It was dedicated by his Eminence Julio Cardinal Rosales on March 18, 1966. When it became a parish in 1971, Fr. Pio Santillana was appointed the first parish priest.

This church became likewise the center of devotion to Our Lady of Mt. Carmel in the South. Because of this devotion, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel became the patroness of the parish when it was erected in 1971. The original titular of Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception was transferred to the Cathedral which has been the center of the cult of the Immaculate Conception from 1895 till at present. This church is also the center of devotion to Saint Joseph, Protector of the Order, and Saint Lucy, Virgin and Martyr.

Most of the parishioners of Mt. Carmel Parish belong to the lower socio-economic level, with a big number of adults having no permanent employment. Some of the parishioners, like temporary employees/workers and students, do not have permanent residence. It is the commitment of the Recollects to take care of the spiritual needs as well as look after the development and well-being of the parishioners, especially the poor ones. In this mission, they have been helped by the Administration, Staff and students of the University of San Jose-Recoletos. They have the assistance of the community outreach programs of the same University. This is a challenge for the present as well as the future Recollects who may be assigned in this field of apostolate.

Source: OAR Parishes Manual, edited by Samson Silloriquez, OAR (1999).

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 29th, 2008, 04:51 PM
wow! this is really, really new info to me....and very revealing too! i really need to talk to ma'am terry about this coal mine also.

Terry and family sold the coal mine last year. But you can still talk to her about it, though.

Ang Karaang Tawo
November 29th, 2008, 04:51 PM
wow! this is really, really new info to me....and very revealing too! i really need to talk to ma'am terry about this coal mine also.

Terry and family sold the coal mine last year. But you can still talk to her about it, though.

Taga Bogo
November 29th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Terry and family sold the coal mine last year. But you can still talk to her about it, though.

Yes, nakabati ko sa ilang pag baligya. Pero the traditions that are adopted by their family's business venture has and is making a significant impact on the community. I had wondered kung ngano naabot kanang conical basket didto. Hasta ang pag dala nila sa basket, naay higot gi strung across the carrier's head. Abi nako to natural occurence lang arising from the ease the method can afford the carryiyng of a basket on hilly terrain.

Just a bit more, daghan to ila gipang dala didto? kuyog ang familia pag relocate?

Taga Bogo
November 29th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Terry and family sold the coal mine last year. But you can still talk to her about it, though.

Yes, nakabati ko sa ilang pag baligya. Pero the traditions that are adopted by their family's business venture has and is making a significant impact on the community. I had wondered kung ngano naabot kanang conical basket didto. Hasta ang pag dala nila sa basket, naay higot gi strung across the carrier's head. Abi nako to natural occurence lang arising from the ease the method can afford the carryiyng of a basket on hilly terrain.

Just a bit more, daghan to ila gipang dala didto? kuyog ang familia pag relocate?

SleMarKen
November 30th, 2008, 04:15 PM
Leon Kilat meets Leon Kilat

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7140/img7374copycz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

SleMarKen
November 30th, 2008, 04:15 PM
Leon Kilat meets Leon Kilat

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7140/img7374copycz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

bukid
November 30th, 2008, 04:42 PM
^^ :lol: murag lain mana na armas ang gikuptan ana niya bai.

bukid
November 30th, 2008, 04:42 PM
^^ :lol: murag lain mana na armas ang gikuptan ana niya bai.

gee
November 30th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Kasadya sa Downtown 2008 .... kinsay naay picture, palihog post

gee
November 30th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Kasadya sa Downtown 2008 .... kinsay naay picture, palihog post

jrevalde
December 1st, 2008, 01:07 AM
^^ Gee are you priest??? gitawag man gud ka og father ni LordCarnal....

jrevalde
December 1st, 2008, 01:07 AM
^^ Gee are you priest??? gitawag man gud ka og father ni LordCarnal....

goleyson
December 1st, 2008, 07:14 PM
The Recoletos church propagated the devotion to the martyr-saint S. Lucia.

goleyson
December 1st, 2008, 07:14 PM
The Recoletos church propagated the devotion to the martyr-saint S. Lucia.

Ka_Bino
December 2nd, 2008, 07:42 AM
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp131/taytayansaparian/Nov%2030%202008/IMG_3903.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp131/taytayansaparian/Nov%2030%202008/IMG_3904.jpg

Ka_Bino
December 2nd, 2008, 07:42 AM
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp131/taytayansaparian/Nov%2030%202008/IMG_3903.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp131/taytayansaparian/Nov%2030%202008/IMG_3904.jpg

Ka_Bino
December 2nd, 2008, 08:58 AM
Kasadya sa Downtown 2008 .... kinsay naay picture, palihog post

http://kabinoguerrero.multiply.com/photos/album/38/Ang_Buhing_Kasaysayan_sa_Dalan_Colon

http://taytayan.multiply.com/photos/album/11/Taytayan_mi-apil_sa_Kasadya_sa_Colon.._

Ka_Bino
December 2nd, 2008, 08:58 AM
Kasadya sa Downtown 2008 .... kinsay naay picture, palihog post

http://kabinoguerrero.multiply.com/photos/album/38/Ang_Buhing_Kasaysayan_sa_Dalan_Colon

http://taytayan.multiply.com/photos/album/11/Taytayan_mi-apil_sa_Kasadya_sa_Colon.._

Ang_Bantayanon
December 2nd, 2008, 10:18 AM
The Recoletos church propagated the devotion to the martyr-saint S. Lucia.

Sayang lang that the church was torn down. It would have been a beautiful church which reminds one of Malabon church. Sayang pud that the relieves were also taken out of Cebu. Those are unique relieves featuring the life of the Virgin.

Ang_Bantayanon
December 2nd, 2008, 10:18 AM
The Recoletos church propagated the devotion to the martyr-saint S. Lucia.

Sayang lang that the church was torn down. It would have been a beautiful church which reminds one of Malabon church. Sayang pud that the relieves were also taken out of Cebu. Those are unique relieves featuring the life of the Virgin.

Ka_Bino
December 2nd, 2008, 10:25 AM
As Gavin and I was walking by Memeles last Night...

Gavin recreated for my imagination the Old Tisa House(Garces House?) that once stood there...

Ug naglagot sad sya nga waa jud photographer nga nakakuha og hulagway sa balay...

SAYANG...

Ka_Bino
December 2nd, 2008, 10:25 AM
As Gavin and I was walking by Memeles last Night...

Gavin recreated for my imagination the Old Tisa House(Garces House?) that once stood there...

Ug naglagot sad sya nga waa jud photographer nga nakakuha og hulagway sa balay...

SAYANG...

goleyson
December 2nd, 2008, 07:37 PM
Sayang lang that the church was torn down. It would have been a beautiful church which reminds one of Malabon church. Sayang pud that the relieves were also taken out of Cebu. Those are unique relieves featuring the life of the Virgin.

The relieves or the retablo were payments for the demolition of the church. the Inmaculada on the facade is with the Recolects in Manila. What is left for Cebu from that of the old church are the images of the Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Santa Lucia and the processional San Jose which used to have a retablo but now kept in the convent. Sayang.. pero unsaon ta man.. some good things must go. The friars need to invest wisely as well to take care of the retired, old and ailing friars.

If I remember it well, it was the Ayalas who got the retablo and loaned it to San Agustin. I hope though that one day it would come home, reinstalled, restored and reconsecrated knowing that the said family also have vast business ventures in our island. Wala lang tngali strong move and i doubt if the Recolect community would ever iniate for its return.

goleyson
December 2nd, 2008, 07:37 PM
Sayang lang that the church was torn down. It would have been a beautiful church which reminds one of Malabon church. Sayang pud that the relieves were also taken out of Cebu. Those are unique relieves featuring the life of the Virgin.

The relieves or the retablo were payments for the demolition of the church. the Inmaculada on the facade is with the Recolects in Manila. What is left for Cebu from that of the old church are the images of the Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Santa Lucia and the processional San Jose which used to have a retablo but now kept in the convent. Sayang.. pero unsaon ta man.. some good things must go. The friars need to invest wisely as well to take care of the retired, old and ailing friars.

If I remember it well, it was the Ayalas who got the retablo and loaned it to San Agustin. I hope though that one day it would come home, reinstalled, restored and reconsecrated knowing that the said family also have vast business ventures in our island. Wala lang tngali strong move and i doubt if the Recolect community would ever iniate for its return.

gee
December 2nd, 2008, 09:13 PM
http://kabinoguerrero.multiply.com/photos/album/38/Ang_Buhing_Kasaysayan_sa_Dalan_Colon

http://taytayan.multiply.com/photos/album/11/Taytayan_mi-apil_sa_Kasadya_sa_Colon.._

daghang salamat ka bino!

gee
December 2nd, 2008, 09:13 PM
http://kabinoguerrero.multiply.com/photos/album/38/Ang_Buhing_Kasaysayan_sa_Dalan_Colon

http://taytayan.multiply.com/photos/album/11/Taytayan_mi-apil_sa_Kasadya_sa_Colon.._

daghang salamat ka bino!

Pinoy_ako
December 3rd, 2008, 03:26 AM
The relieves or the retablo were payments for the demolition of the church. the Inmaculada on the facade is with the Recolects in Manila. What is left for Cebu from that of the old church are the images of the Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Santa Lucia and the processional San Jose which used to have a retablo but now kept in the convent. Sayang.. pero unsaon ta man.. some good things must go. The friars need to invest wisely as well to take care of the retired, old and ailing friars.

If I remember it well, it was the Ayalas who got the retablo and loaned it to San Agustin. I hope though that one day it would come home, reinstalled, restored and reconsecrated knowing that the said family also have vast business ventures in our island. Wala lang tngali strong move and i doubt if the Recolect community would ever iniate for its return.

I think the main retablo was loaned by the Bantug family to San Agustin Museum. The crowning figure of the main retablo is with the Ayala Museum. I wonder why it was dismembered.


So this is the processional San Jose (left retablo, main niche)?

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/recoletos/recoletos_01.jpg

The right retablo must have been dedicated to San Nicolas de Tolentino.

Is the left retablo below dedicated to Our Lady of Mount Carmel? The image in the main niche of the right retablo is rather fuzzy, but would it have been Santa Lucia?

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/recoletos/recoletos_02.jpg

Pinoy_ako
December 3rd, 2008, 03:26 AM
The relieves or the retablo were payments for the demolition of the church. the Inmaculada on the facade is with the Recolects in Manila. What is left for Cebu from that of the old church are the images of the Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Santa Lucia and the processional San Jose which used to have a retablo but now kept in the convent. Sayang.. pero unsaon ta man.. some good things must go. The friars need to invest wisely as well to take care of the retired, old and ailing friars.

If I remember it well, it was the Ayalas who got the retablo and loaned it to San Agustin. I hope though that one day it would come home, reinstalled, restored and reconsecrated knowing that the said family also have vast business ventures in our island. Wala lang tngali strong move and i doubt if the Recolect community would ever iniate for its return.

I think the main retablo was loaned by the Bantug family to San Agustin Museum. The crowning figure of the main retablo is with the Ayala Museum. I wonder why it was dismembered.


So this is the processional San Jose (left retablo, main niche)?

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/recoletos/recoletos_01.jpg

The right retablo must have been dedicated to San Nicolas de Tolentino.

Is the left retablo below dedicated to Our Lady of Mount Carmel? The image in the main niche of the right retablo is rather fuzzy, but would it have been Santa Lucia?

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Old_Churches/recoletos/recoletos_02.jpg

goleyson
December 3rd, 2008, 12:26 PM
Fr. Rommel said that the one on the left retablo might be S. Lucia encased in a glass. The San Nicolas is in Manila now. The unclear image could be a Nuestra Sra. del Pilar (my assumption). The Lady of Mt. Carmel had a niche at the main retablo. And yes, the processional San Jose.. used every feast day of the saint on March.

goleyson
December 3rd, 2008, 12:26 PM
Fr. Rommel said that the one on the left retablo might be S. Lucia encased in a glass. The San Nicolas is in Manila now. The unclear image could be a Nuestra Sra. del Pilar (my assumption). The Lady of Mt. Carmel had a niche at the main retablo. And yes, the processional San Jose.. used every feast day of the saint on March.

SleMarKen
December 3rd, 2008, 05:06 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian3.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian4.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian5.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian1.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian2.jpg


from Taytayan

SleMarKen
December 3rd, 2008, 05:06 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian3.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian4.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian5.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian1.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian2.jpg


from Taytayan

Pinoy_ako
December 4th, 2008, 02:25 AM
Fr. Rommel said that the one on the left retablo might be S. Lucia encased in a glass. The San Nicolas is in Manila now. The unclear image could be a Nuestra Sra. del Pilar (my assumption). The Lady of Mt. Carmel had a niche at the main retablo. And yes, the processional San Jose.. used every feast day of the saint on March.

Thanks Goleyson.

If the San Nicolas is in Manila now, does that mean that they no longer celebrate the feast of San Nicolas in Cebu? Are you familiar with the Pan de San Nicolas given out during the feast ? Where in Manila is the image being kept?

I think the unclear picture could be a del Pilar. :)

Pinoy_ako
December 4th, 2008, 02:25 AM
Fr. Rommel said that the one on the left retablo might be S. Lucia encased in a glass. The San Nicolas is in Manila now. The unclear image could be a Nuestra Sra. del Pilar (my assumption). The Lady of Mt. Carmel had a niche at the main retablo. And yes, the processional San Jose.. used every feast day of the saint on March.

Thanks Goleyson.

If the San Nicolas is in Manila now, does that mean that they no longer celebrate the feast of San Nicolas in Cebu? Are you familiar with the Pan de San Nicolas given out during the feast ? Where in Manila is the image being kept?

I think the unclear picture could be a del Pilar. :)

goleyson
December 4th, 2008, 10:38 AM
^^
You mean celebrated by the Recoletos? The univisrity's oldest building is named after the saint and his feast day is a school holiday. I am not familiar with the pan. :) I think it is in the Recollect's Motherhouse or Museum.

As to the Parian, are they going to rebuild the Church and demolish the Fire station?

goleyson
December 4th, 2008, 10:38 AM
^^
You mean celebrated by the Recoletos? The univisrity's oldest building is named after the saint and his feast day is a school holiday. I am not familiar with the pan. :) I think it is in the Recollect's Motherhouse or Museum.

As to the Parian, are they going to rebuild the Church and demolish the Fire station?

Ka_Bino
December 4th, 2008, 11:42 AM
^^

As to the Parian, are they going to rebuild the Church and demolish the Fire station?

Our dream is to Super-impose the Facade of the church on the fire station..

thats our dream..

It we are to dream... We have to dream big...

Ka_Bino
December 4th, 2008, 11:42 AM
^^

As to the Parian, are they going to rebuild the Church and demolish the Fire station?

Our dream is to Super-impose the Facade of the church on the fire station..

thats our dream..

It we are to dream... We have to dream big...

archaeologue
December 4th, 2008, 12:18 PM
Our dream is to Super-impose the Facade of the church on the fire station..

thats our dream..

It we are to dream... We have to dream big...


really? the fire station is in itself a heritage building. it is more than 50 years old already and represents an architectural style that is fast disappearing in cebu city.

i do not think it would be prudent to cover it because it has its own history and its own significance.


i wonder how this can vision can be attained without blotting out the fire station.


my dream of course is to carry out archaeological excavations on the basketball court and the chapel where the old parian church used to be.

archaeologue
December 4th, 2008, 12:18 PM
Our dream is to Super-impose the Facade of the church on the fire station..

thats our dream..

It we are to dream... We have to dream big...


really? the fire station is in itself a heritage building. it is more than 50 years old already and represents an architectural style that is fast disappearing in cebu city.

i do not think it would be prudent to cover it because it has its own history and its own significance.


i wonder how this can vision can be attained without blotting out the fire station.


my dream of course is to carry out archaeological excavations on the basketball court and the chapel where the old parian church used to be.

Ka_Bino
December 4th, 2008, 12:41 PM
^^ hehehe

Its a Dream...

as of the moment we just work hard for little things that are achievable..

Ka_Bino
December 4th, 2008, 12:41 PM
^^ hehehe

Its a Dream...

as of the moment we just work hard for little things that are achievable..

goleyson
December 4th, 2008, 08:17 PM
i agree with archaeologue... and besides, the pari-an church is a thing of the past and a memorial that it once stood there is enough. it is a nice move to save, restore and preserve what is left but to recreate, i realy cant buy the idea. im sorry. why not improve or make a more beautful chapel for san juan instead? btw, is the neighborhood cooperative?

goleyson
December 4th, 2008, 08:17 PM
i agree with archaeologue... and besides, the pari-an church is a thing of the past and a memorial that it once stood there is enough. it is a nice move to save, restore and preserve what is left but to recreate, i realy cant buy the idea. im sorry. why not improve or make a more beautful chapel for san juan instead? btw, is the neighborhood cooperative?

LordCarnal
December 5th, 2008, 12:20 AM
^^

Where exactly did the church stand? At the very site of the fire station or the chapel?


..

LordCarnal
December 5th, 2008, 12:20 AM
^^

Where exactly did the church stand? At the very site of the fire station or the chapel?


..

Ka_Bino
December 5th, 2008, 04:53 AM
i agree with archaeologue... and besides, the pari-an church is a thing of the past and a memorial that it once stood there is enough. it is a nice move to save, restore and preserve what is left but to recreate, i realy cant buy the idea. im sorry. why not improve or make a more beautful chapel for san juan instead? btw, is the neighborhood cooperative?

Amo sad nang na higustan..

lagi kay damgo lang man ning amo..

there is no point to argue about it..

kay lagi damgo man lang namo..

we knew for the fact that daghang jud nga anugnan sa Fire station

sama ka daghan sa gi anugnan sa karaang simbahan..

mao nga amo gi-sintro ang amon mga buluhaton sa mga butang nga sayon namong makab-ot

Ka_Bino
December 5th, 2008, 04:53 AM
i agree with archaeologue... and besides, the pari-an church is a thing of the past and a memorial that it once stood there is enough. it is a nice move to save, restore and preserve what is left but to recreate, i realy cant buy the idea. im sorry. why not improve or make a more beautful chapel for san juan instead? btw, is the neighborhood cooperative?

Amo sad nang na higustan..

lagi kay damgo lang man ning amo..

there is no point to argue about it..

kay lagi damgo man lang namo..

we knew for the fact that daghang jud nga anugnan sa Fire station

sama ka daghan sa gi anugnan sa karaang simbahan..

mao nga amo gi-sintro ang amon mga buluhaton sa mga butang nga sayon namong makab-ot

archaeologue
December 5th, 2008, 06:15 AM
^^

Where exactly did the church stand? At the very site of the fire station or the chapel?


..

remnants of a section of the altar (just a pile of tablillas, really) are still found behind the lot between the chapel and the fire station, which means the church would have been located where both buildings are standing now.

the "altar" remnant is found at a residence of the former fire chief behind the chapel. this residence has an eatery and is located just across the street from the Yap-Sandiego house.

arnold_carl, remember you, caloy and I were there to eat last october and got a tidbit of a story about how the Archdiocese had called the residents around this area to a meeting because the entire block is owned by it?

archaeologue
December 5th, 2008, 06:15 AM
^^

Where exactly did the church stand? At the very site of the fire station or the chapel?


..

remnants of a section of the altar (just a pile of tablillas, really) are still found behind the lot between the chapel and the fire station, which means the church would have been located where both buildings are standing now.

the "altar" remnant is found at a residence of the former fire chief behind the chapel. this residence has an eatery and is located just across the street from the Yap-Sandiego house.

arnold_carl, remember you, caloy and I were there to eat last october and got a tidbit of a story about how the Archdiocese had called the residents around this area to a meeting because the entire block is owned by it?

archaeologue
December 5th, 2008, 06:24 AM
Amo sad nang na higustan..

lagi kay damgo lang man ning amo..

there is no point to argue about it..

kay lagi damgo man lang namo..

we knew for the fact that daghang jud nga anugnan sa Fire station

sama ka daghan sa gi anugnan sa karaang simbahan..

mao nga amo gi-sintro ang amon mga buluhaton sa mga butang nga sayon namong makab-ot


the better thing to do is to put up a bronze marker like the war memorial markers in singapore...dagko kaayo, naa pay mga etchings or engravings of actual photographs apil sa bronze marker para makakita ang reader how the church looked like...


also, i have a feeling that the foundations of an earlier version of the church, if ever there was one, might be found on the site...archaeology can help...pundohi dayon ha heheehe...

archaeologue
December 5th, 2008, 06:24 AM
Amo sad nang na higustan..

lagi kay damgo lang man ning amo..

there is no point to argue about it..

kay lagi damgo man lang namo..

we knew for the fact that daghang jud nga anugnan sa Fire station

sama ka daghan sa gi anugnan sa karaang simbahan..

mao nga amo gi-sintro ang amon mga buluhaton sa mga butang nga sayon namong makab-ot


the better thing to do is to put up a bronze marker like the war memorial markers in singapore...dagko kaayo, naa pay mga etchings or engravings of actual photographs apil sa bronze marker para makakita ang reader how the church looked like...


also, i have a feeling that the foundations of an earlier version of the church, if ever there was one, might be found on the site...archaeology can help...pundohi dayon ha heheehe...

parianon
December 5th, 2008, 06:44 AM
Amo sad nang na higustan..

lagi kay damgo lang man ning amo..

there is no point to argue about it..

kay lagi damgo man lang namo..

we knew for the fact that daghang jud nga anugnan sa Fire station

sama ka daghan sa gi anugnan sa karaang simbahan..

mao nga amo gi-sintro ang amon mga buluhaton sa mga butang nga sayon namong makab-ot


i had to reign on myself after reading this. i've not posted here for some time. to say i was excited of your plans is an understatement. words were leaping from my chest even before i could log in to make my comments. i've also been reflecting on these things on my own and confided some of my thoughts to my priest brother. i even thought of finally giving my former teacher ms. joy guerra a visit to share these thoughts.

a marker that reminds us of the solemnity and spiritual significance of the place would be very apt. it should be a shrine like a memorial that commands respect, reflection, introspection like the black granite of the vietnam war memorial where the names of american soldiers who died in vietnam were etched.

it doesn't compel people to visit or notice, but for those to whom the shrine means so much, it will be like finding a place to mark all the memories with our ancestors. all the oral histories handed down to us we can usher in in such a place.

parianon
December 5th, 2008, 06:44 AM
Amo sad nang na higustan..

lagi kay damgo lang man ning amo..

there is no point to argue about it..

kay lagi damgo man lang namo..

we knew for the fact that daghang jud nga anugnan sa Fire station

sama ka daghan sa gi anugnan sa karaang simbahan..

mao nga amo gi-sintro ang amon mga buluhaton sa mga butang nga sayon namong makab-ot


i had to reign on myself after reading this. i've not posted here for some time. to say i was excited of your plans is an understatement. words were leaping from my chest even before i could log in to make my comments. i've also been reflecting on these things on my own and confided some of my thoughts to my priest brother. i even thought of finally giving my former teacher ms. joy guerra a visit to share these thoughts.

a marker that reminds us of the solemnity and spiritual significance of the place would be very apt. it should be a shrine like a memorial that commands respect, reflection, introspection like the black granite of the vietnam war memorial where the names of american soldiers who died in vietnam were etched.

it doesn't compel people to visit or notice, but for those to whom the shrine means so much, it will be like finding a place to mark all the memories with our ancestors. all the oral histories handed down to us we can usher in in such a place.

parianon
December 5th, 2008, 07:16 AM
the story of parian is not just a story of a place, of structures that are inanimate, made of stone that don't breathe. it's the story of a people too. to descend directly from those people who once lived there is to be part of their story. present day descendants include the owners of the university of southern philippines, university of the visayas, velez college and hospital, cebu maternity hospital, the aboitiz corporation (whose patriarch married a sidebottom), the borromeo bros. estate, the owners of julie's bakeshop, the gaisano chain of stores., etc. Not to mention the osmeñas and cuencos who lorded it over cebu's political life for more than a century,and many more whose material fortunes have not been as lasting as those of the ones mentioned but nevertheless share with them that common bond and rootedness. Our story is a continuing one perpetuated by our children and preserved by a collective act of remembering not just by us but by the cebuano people.

parianon
December 5th, 2008, 07:16 AM
the story of parian is not just a story of a place, of structures that are inanimate, made of stone that don't breathe. it's the story of a people too. to descend directly from those people who once lived there is to be part of their story. present day descendants include the owners of the university of southern philippines, university of the visayas, velez college and hospital, cebu maternity hospital, the aboitiz corporation (whose patriarch married a sidebottom), the borromeo bros. estate, the owners of julie's bakeshop, the gaisano chain of stores., etc. Not to mention the osmeñas and cuencos who lorded it over cebu's political life for more than a century,and many more whose material fortunes have not been as lasting as those of the ones mentioned but nevertheless share with them that common bond and rootedness. Our story is a continuing one perpetuated by our children and preserved by a collective act of remembering not just by us but by the cebuano people.

parianon
December 6th, 2008, 03:05 AM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian3.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian4.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian5.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian1.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian2.jpg


from Taytayan




May I know who are behind these projects and how you intend to make them a reality? please give us updates. we'll see what we can do to help. Do you have the support of the city govt.? Perhaps you can also tap the cebuano studies center for historical accuracy. Good work guys and good luck.

parianon
December 6th, 2008, 03:05 AM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian3.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian4.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian5.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian1.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/Parian2.jpg


from Taytayan




May I know who are behind these projects and how you intend to make them a reality? please give us updates. we'll see what we can do to help. Do you have the support of the city govt.? Perhaps you can also tap the cebuano studies center for historical accuracy. Good work guys and good luck.

LordCarnal
December 6th, 2008, 03:30 AM
^^

Taytayan sa Pari-an group I think headed by Mr. Val Sandiego.

http://www.artsehub.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=56&Itemid=60



arnold_carl, remember you, caloy and I were there to eat last october and got a tidbit of a story about how the Archdiocese had called the residents around this area to a meeting because the entire block is owned by it?

Yup, indeed I also noticed that there were some "coral stones" within the lot.

LordCarnal
December 6th, 2008, 03:30 AM
^^

Taytayan sa Pari-an group I think headed by Mr. Val Sandiego.

http://www.artsehub.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=56&Itemid=60



arnold_carl, remember you, caloy and I were there to eat last october and got a tidbit of a story about how the Archdiocese had called the residents around this area to a meeting because the entire block is owned by it?

Yup, indeed I also noticed that there were some "coral stones" within the lot.

LordCarnal
December 6th, 2008, 04:21 AM
Jubilee of Archbishop Gabriel Reyes
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1545/cebucathlj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



This one's during the anniversary of Cardinal Vidal's episcopal ordination...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/3070420855_bf186f6834.jpg?v=0

LordCarnal
December 6th, 2008, 04:21 AM
Jubilee of Archbishop Gabriel Reyes
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1545/cebucathlj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



This one's during the anniversary of Cardinal Vidal's episcopal ordination...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/3070420855_bf186f6834.jpg?v=0

Animo
December 8th, 2008, 08:46 AM
The City Government of Cebu is bent on bringing back the glory and prestige of Colon Street, considered as the country’s oldest street, in the next 10 years.

George Chu, President of Downtown Revitalization Project, yesterday said there is so much that needs to be done in the downtown area, especially in the historic Colon Street where old commercial buildings and a history of Cebu’s commerce and trade still remain.

“Sayang ang Colon. The landmarks are still there. Everything historical dating back to the 15th century is there but these have not been promoted anymore,” said Chu in a recent interview.

The Downtown Revitalization Program is a pet project of Vice Mayor Michael Rama who initiated the first move to restore Colon Street and the downtown area three years ago.

Under the program, vendors in the downtown area will be regulated and stores and business establishments will be compelled to clean their surroundings and promote a greener sidewalk, said Chu.

“We want people to go back to Colon for business and leisure,” said Chu, adding that before big malls were constructed at the Cebu Business Park and at the North Reclamation Area, the downtown area was considered as the center of trade and commerce, with department stores and commercial establishments lining up the city street.

Colon Street is also very historical, said Chu, because it was where known businessmen, like Lucio Tan, the Uytengsus, and the Aboitiz, among others, started their businesses in the early years.

Aside from Colon Street, historical areas in the downtown include Magallanes, Plaridel, Manalili, Leon Kilat, and Sanciangko Streets. The now considered as red light district, Junquera, used to be home to the country’s top theater, the Gen. Junquera Theater.

Old theaters, including Oriente, Cinerama, Cinema, and Eden also line up Colon Street but their glory have faded in lieu of what SM and Ayala Mall theaters are offering.

Chu said that within 10 years, the City Government will work with the schools, the vendors’ association, the barangays covering the downtown area, and the business owners to restore Colon Street.

Restoration includes repainting, removing of unused wires and cables, cleaning of the drainage system, installation of proper lightings, installation of police outposts to deter criminals, and remarketing of the downtown are for micro businesses, said Chu.

Chu said the private sector has chipped in to come up with the funds needed in the ambitious revitalization program.

Colon Street is a crowded street in downtown Cebu City that is often called the oldest street in the Philippines. It is named after Christopher Columbus. It traces its origins to the town plan by Miguel Lopez de Legazpi, the Spanish conquistador who arrived in the Philippines to establish a colony in 1565.

Colon, a bit run-down now, was the site of fashionable shops, offices and movie houses. It was once the heart of Cebu City’s shopping and business activity, but in recent years much of this activity has shifted inland to uptown areas.

In 2006, the Cebu City Council proposed a plan to close parts of Colon Street from vehicular traffic and convert it to a tourism zone. However, this was met with much opposition from businessmen and motorists due to concerns regarding security and parking spaces.

http://www.cebuonlinenews.com/20081208/992167-cebu-city-to-revitalize-colon-street/

Animo
December 8th, 2008, 08:46 AM
The City Government of Cebu is bent on bringing back the glory and prestige of Colon Street, considered as the country’s oldest street, in the next 10 years.

George Chu, President of Downtown Revitalization Project, yesterday said there is so much that needs to be done in the downtown area, especially in the historic Colon Street where old commercial buildings and a history of Cebu’s commerce and trade still remain.

“Sayang ang Colon. The landmarks are still there. Everything historical dating back to the 15th century is there but these have not been promoted anymore,” said Chu in a recent interview.

The Downtown Revitalization Program is a pet project of Vice Mayor Michael Rama who initiated the first move to restore Colon Street and the downtown area three years ago.

Under the program, vendors in the downtown area will be regulated and stores and business establishments will be compelled to clean their surroundings and promote a greener sidewalk, said Chu.

“We want people to go back to Colon for business and leisure,” said Chu, adding that before big malls were constructed at the Cebu Business Park and at the North Reclamation Area, the downtown area was considered as the center of trade and commerce, with department stores and commercial establishments lining up the city street.

Colon Street is also very historical, said Chu, because it was where known businessmen, like Lucio Tan, the Uytengsus, and the Aboitiz, among others, started their businesses in the early years.

Aside from Colon Street, historical areas in the downtown include Magallanes, Plaridel, Manalili, Leon Kilat, and Sanciangko Streets. The now considered as red light district, Junquera, used to be home to the country’s top theater, the Gen. Junquera Theater.

Old theaters, including Oriente, Cinerama, Cinema, and Eden also line up Colon Street but their glory have faded in lieu of what SM and Ayala Mall theaters are offering.

Chu said that within 10 years, the City Government will work with the schools, the vendors’ association, the barangays covering the downtown area, and the business owners to restore Colon Street.

Restoration includes repainting, removing of unused wires and cables, cleaning of the drainage system, installation of proper lightings, installation of police outposts to deter criminals, and remarketing of the downtown are for micro businesses, said Chu.

Chu said the private sector has chipped in to come up with the funds needed in the ambitious revitalization program.

Colon Street is a crowded street in downtown Cebu City that is often called the oldest street in the Philippines. It is named after Christopher Columbus. It traces its origins to the town plan by Miguel Lopez de Legazpi, the Spanish conquistador who arrived in the Philippines to establish a colony in 1565.

Colon, a bit run-down now, was the site of fashionable shops, offices and movie houses. It was once the heart of Cebu City’s shopping and business activity, but in recent years much of this activity has shifted inland to uptown areas.

In 2006, the Cebu City Council proposed a plan to close parts of Colon Street from vehicular traffic and convert it to a tourism zone. However, this was met with much opposition from businessmen and motorists due to concerns regarding security and parking spaces.

http://www.cebuonlinenews.com/20081208/992167-cebu-city-to-revitalize-colon-street/

Animo
December 8th, 2008, 08:47 AM
http://images.inquirer.net/media/showbizandstyle/lifestyle/lifestyle/images/pic-12080125370422.jpg

WEEKDAY crowd of pilgrims, tourists and hawkers overflows outside Cebu’s Santo Niño Basilica.

http://images.inquirer.net/media/showbizandstyle/lifestyle/lifestyle/images/pic-12080127100328.jpg

INTERIOR designer Manny Castro’s folk belen greets visitors to his home, Balay na Tisa, in Carcar, Cebu. Above: Devotees fill up Santo Niño Basilica for weekday Mass

By Augusto Villalon (http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifestyle/lifestyle/view/20081208-176684/Oh-how-the-French-love-Cebu)
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:33:00 12/08/2008

ICOMOS Philippines and the Embassy of France, together with Les Amis de la France and the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation in Cebu, and in Manila, the National Museum, City of Manila and Alliance Française jointly organized and hosted the first Seminaire Malraux in the Philippines, “Heritage Conservation-The French Touch.”

Other sponsors were the Waterfront Hotel and the Carcar Heritage Conservation Society in Cebu, and in Manila, the National Commission for Culture and the Arts, Museum of the City of Manila at the Army-Navy Club, Heritage Conservation Society and Sofitel Philippine Plaza Hotel.

Seminaire Malraux, a series of international cultural encounters to honor the influential French Culture Minister André Malraux, is part of an extensive program of the French Ministry of Culture and Communications that seeks establishment of strong cultural ties between France and other countries.

Held first in Cebu and again in Manila during the last week of November, the Seminaire Malraux linked Philippine and French heritage conservation practitioners for the first time, and much was learned from this historic meeting.

Flying from Parisian winter directly to Cebu, French conservation experts from the Ministry of Culture began their visit in the sun-drenched, open-air courtyard of the Spanish colonial Metropolitan Cathedral Museum with an early-morning Cebuano breakfast of freshly cooked bibingka from Mandaue and sticky budbud (suman) dunked into steaming sikwate (chocolate).

An initiation to Filipino food was an excellent introduction to Cebuano culture, cuisine being the French national obsession.

Waves of mass-goers

At the Santo Niño Basilica, two blocks away from the cathedral, a crowd of pilgrims leaving an early Mass collided with the next wave entering the church to catch the next service.

There we were surrounded by a mob of people, devotees, out-of-town pilgrims, a few tourists, an army of candle vendors, a multitude of faithful devoutly lighting candles, installing their small flames of supplication on multitiered candle racks dripping with wax, while everywhere milled hawkers offering religious medals, prayer books, balloons, toys, all that happening simultaneously in the crowded open space in front of the church.

Not that the open area facing the church was small. There were just a lot of people, and surprisingly, coming to the shrine at midmorning on a weekday Friday, wondering what size the crowd would be on Sundays. A contrast, they said, from churches in France that today have become silent, visited more by tourists than by its dwindling congregation.

The hour-and-a-half drive south from city center to Cebu’s heritage town of Carcar passed tropical white-sand beaches, coconut plantations, and came across a few of those dwindling Amorsolo-esque rural landscapes of bahay-kubo ringed by a grove of tall bamboo for shade and wind protection set in an agricultural field.

How tropical and wonderfully exotic was all the scenery, they thought, and so did I, taking the cue to shifting my mode into seeing the Philippines through foreign eyes. What sights there were to see! Whatever I had dismissed as uninteresting and ordinary suddenly took on a different light.

All of Carcar was out on the street that day, preparing for the town fiesta happening that weekend. The plaza, where we went first, was packed. So was Santa Catalina, the town’s magnificent 18th-century Spanish colonial church. Inside the church, some walls were being painted, floor sections were being scrubbed, lights were being strung and sound systems tested, and all the while a choir of children rehearsed their next day’s fiesta repertoire huddled out of everyone’s way beside one of the side entrances. Devotees walked in and out, some staying to kneel in prayer for a while, others sitting silently on pews. A cat or two strayed in as well.

Different activities were happening simultaneously within the church, following traditional Filipino practice of using spaces multifunctionally, which contrasts with the European custom of rationally isolating each activity within its own room or space. Space barriers in the Philippines are invisible. When space runs out, sometimes the sidewalk in front of the house is temporarily taken over as an outdoor extension of a family business activity or even a celebration.

Carcar was in celebration mood that day. Huge tents set up in the plaza shielded a maze of little stalls from the noonday sun. The Filipinos in our little group bought pasalubong, the fabulous chicharon, ampao, bocarillo that Carcar is famous for, and had a taste of lechon with pusó, the Cebuano rice individually cooked in a woven coconut container.

Bag fanatics

The French excitedly headed for the craft stalls, trying unsuccessfully to buy out the entire stock of women’s bags encrusted in the best Filipino over-the-top, baroque style, totally encrusted with hand-sewn shell bits, wooden beads and coco buttons, unappreciated (by Filipinos) folk-art delights deserving highest admiration. And that is what the bags and their highly flattered makers received from the French.

Balay na Tisa, probably the best cared-for Spanish colonial house in Carcar, was decked out for the fiesta and decorated for Christmas with a collection of folk-art belens, traditional parols, and swags of ornaments along the windows running the entire length of its ceiling.

Filipino architecture stunned the French visitors, the large windows covered with sliding kapis or persiana panels, the solid hardwood wall panels and wide-plank flooring, carved double doors leading to bedrooms with walls perforated at the top with calado fretwork for interior air circulation.

It took a leisurely break for coffee and dessert served by the owner, renowned Manila interior designer Manny Castro, in the ancestral family dining room of Balay na Tisa for the French to understand how environmentally sound the bahay-na-bato is. Cooling breezes floated through the windows into the dining area. Water-filled martabanas (large Chinese glazed clay tubs) cooled down the breeze coming from the azotea, a perfect traditional cooling system that brought down the midday heat.

Now cooled and settled down, we indulged in another Filipino tradition, lingering over the dining table.

From where we relaxed over coffee we could see how the large living and dining rooms were really one space although doors divided them; that the adjoining bedrooms opened out into the same living and dining space; walls and doors disappearing to, in effect, turn the entire upper floor, bahay-kubo style, into one single room where, in true Filipino tradition, a variety of activities happens just as we saw in Carcar church earlier in the day.

What started out as my writing a report on the Malraux Seminar for submission to the Ministry of Culture in France turned out unexpectedly to be a journal of Filipino serendipity, timely reminder for me of the wonders of Filipino culture that I had begun to take for granted. All it took was to see with foreign eyes the ordinary things we see every day, to rediscover that our ordinary is really so extraordinary.

Rediscovering the wonders of Filipino culture through French eyes made the exchange from Seminaire Malraux meaningful to all who participated in the introductory program that hopefully will lead to long-range cooperation between the Philippines and France in the area of heritage conservation.

E-mail the author at pride.place@gmail.com

Animo
December 8th, 2008, 08:47 AM
http://images.inquirer.net/media/showbizandstyle/lifestyle/lifestyle/images/pic-12080125370422.jpg

WEEKDAY crowd of pilgrims, tourists and hawkers overflows outside Cebu’s Santo Niño Basilica.

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INTERIOR designer Manny Castro’s folk belen greets visitors to his home, Balay na Tisa, in Carcar, Cebu. Above: Devotees fill up Santo Niño Basilica for weekday Mass

By Augusto Villalon (http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifestyle/lifestyle/view/20081208-176684/Oh-how-the-French-love-Cebu)
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:33:00 12/08/2008

ICOMOS Philippines and the Embassy of France, together with Les Amis de la France and the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation in Cebu, and in Manila, the National Museum, City of Manila and Alliance Française jointly organized and hosted the first Seminaire Malraux in the Philippines, “Heritage Conservation-The French Touch.”

Other sponsors were the Waterfront Hotel and the Carcar Heritage Conservation Society in Cebu, and in Manila, the National Commission for Culture and the Arts, Museum of the City of Manila at the Army-Navy Club, Heritage Conservation Society and Sofitel Philippine Plaza Hotel.

Seminaire Malraux, a series of international cultural encounters to honor the influential French Culture Minister André Malraux, is part of an extensive program of the French Ministry of Culture and Communications that seeks establishment of strong cultural ties between France and other countries.

Held first in Cebu and again in Manila during the last week of November, the Seminaire Malraux linked Philippine and French heritage conservation practitioners for the first time, and much was learned from this historic meeting.

Flying from Parisian winter directly to Cebu, French conservation experts from the Ministry of Culture began their visit in the sun-drenched, open-air courtyard of the Spanish colonial Metropolitan Cathedral Museum with an early-morning Cebuano breakfast of freshly cooked bibingka from Mandaue and sticky budbud (suman) dunked into steaming sikwate (chocolate).

An initiation to Filipino food was an excellent introduction to Cebuano culture, cuisine being the French national obsession.

Waves of mass-goers

At the Santo Niño Basilica, two blocks away from the cathedral, a crowd of pilgrims leaving an early Mass collided with the next wave entering the church to catch the next service.

There we were surrounded by a mob of people, devotees, out-of-town pilgrims, a few tourists, an army of candle vendors, a multitude of faithful devoutly lighting candles, installing their small flames of supplication on multitiered candle racks dripping with wax, while everywhere milled hawkers offering religious medals, prayer books, balloons, toys, all that happening simultaneously in the crowded open space in front of the church.

Not that the open area facing the church was small. There were just a lot of people, and surprisingly, coming to the shrine at midmorning on a weekday Friday, wondering what size the crowd would be on Sundays. A contrast, they said, from churches in France that today have become silent, visited more by tourists than by its dwindling congregation.

The hour-and-a-half drive south from city center to Cebu’s heritage town of Carcar passed tropical white-sand beaches, coconut plantations, and came across a few of those dwindling Amorsolo-esque rural landscapes of bahay-kubo ringed by a grove of tall bamboo for shade and wind protection set in an agricultural field.

How tropical and wonderfully exotic was all the scenery, they thought, and so did I, taking the cue to shifting my mode into seeing the Philippines through foreign eyes. What sights there were to see! Whatever I had dismissed as uninteresting and ordinary suddenly took on a different light.

All of Carcar was out on the street that day, preparing for the town fiesta happening that weekend. The plaza, where we went first, was packed. So was Santa Catalina, the town’s magnificent 18th-century Spanish colonial church. Inside the church, some walls were being painted, floor sections were being scrubbed, lights were being strung and sound systems tested, and all the while a choir of children rehearsed their next day’s fiesta repertoire huddled out of everyone’s way beside one of the side entrances. Devotees walked in and out, some staying to kneel in prayer for a while, others sitting silently on pews. A cat or two strayed in as well.

Different activities were happening simultaneously within the church, following traditional Filipino practice of using spaces multifunctionally, which contrasts with the European custom of rationally isolating each activity within its own room or space. Space barriers in the Philippines are invisible. When space runs out, sometimes the sidewalk in front of the house is temporarily taken over as an outdoor extension of a family business activity or even a celebration.

Carcar was in celebration mood that day. Huge tents set up in the plaza shielded a maze of little stalls from the noonday sun. The Filipinos in our little group bought pasalubong, the fabulous chicharon, ampao, bocarillo that Carcar is famous for, and had a taste of lechon with pusó, the Cebuano rice individually cooked in a woven coconut container.

Bag fanatics

The French excitedly headed for the craft stalls, trying unsuccessfully to buy out the entire stock of women’s bags encrusted in the best Filipino over-the-top, baroque style, totally encrusted with hand-sewn shell bits, wooden beads and coco buttons, unappreciated (by Filipinos) folk-art delights deserving highest admiration. And that is what the bags and their highly flattered makers received from the French.

Balay na Tisa, probably the best cared-for Spanish colonial house in Carcar, was decked out for the fiesta and decorated for Christmas with a collection of folk-art belens, traditional parols, and swags of ornaments along the windows running the entire length of its ceiling.

Filipino architecture stunned the French visitors, the large windows covered with sliding kapis or persiana panels, the solid hardwood wall panels and wide-plank flooring, carved double doors leading to bedrooms with walls perforated at the top with calado fretwork for interior air circulation.

It took a leisurely break for coffee and dessert served by the owner, renowned Manila interior designer Manny Castro, in the ancestral family dining room of Balay na Tisa for the French to understand how environmentally sound the bahay-na-bato is. Cooling breezes floated through the windows into the dining area. Water-filled martabanas (large Chinese glazed clay tubs) cooled down the breeze coming from the azotea, a perfect traditional cooling system that brought down the midday heat.

Now cooled and settled down, we indulged in another Filipino tradition, lingering over the dining table.

From where we relaxed over coffee we could see how the large living and dining rooms were really one space although doors divided them; that the adjoining bedrooms opened out into the same living and dining space; walls and doors disappearing to, in effect, turn the entire upper floor, bahay-kubo style, into one single room where, in true Filipino tradition, a variety of activities happens just as we saw in Carcar church earlier in the day.

What started out as my writing a report on the Malraux Seminar for submission to the Ministry of Culture in France turned out unexpectedly to be a journal of Filipino serendipity, timely reminder for me of the wonders of Filipino culture that I had begun to take for granted. All it took was to see with foreign eyes the ordinary things we see every day, to rediscover that our ordinary is really so extraordinary.

Rediscovering the wonders of Filipino culture through French eyes made the exchange from Seminaire Malraux meaningful to all who participated in the introductory program that hopefully will lead to long-range cooperation between the Philippines and France in the area of heritage conservation.

E-mail the author at pride.place@gmail.com

mAiNsTrEaMhunter
December 9th, 2008, 11:06 AM
The City Government of Cebu is bent on bringing back the glory and prestige of Colon Street, considered as the country’s oldest street, in the next 10 years.

George Chu, President of Downtown Revitalization Project, yesterday said there is so much that needs to be done in the downtown area, especially in the historic Colon Street where old commercial buildings and a history of Cebu’s commerce and trade still remain.

“Sayang ang Colon. The landmarks are still there. Everything historical dating back to the 15th century is there but these have not been promoted anymore,” said Chu in a recent interview.

The Downtown Revitalization Program is a pet project of Vice Mayor Michael Rama who initiated the first move to restore Colon Street and the downtown area three years ago.

Under the program, vendors in the downtown area will be regulated and stores and business establishments will be compelled to clean their surroundings and promote a greener sidewalk, said Chu.

“We want people to go back to Colon for business and leisure,” said Chu, adding that before big malls were constructed at the Cebu Business Park and at the North Reclamation Area, the downtown area was considered as the center of trade and commerce, with department stores and commercial establishments lining up the city street.

Colon Street is also very historical, said Chu, because it was where known businessmen, like Lucio Tan, the Uytengsus, and the Aboitiz, among others, started their businesses in the early years.

Aside from Colon Street, historical areas in the downtown include Magallanes, Plaridel, Manalili, Leon Kilat, and Sanciangko Streets. The now considered as red light district, Junquera, used to be home to the country’s top theater, the Gen. Junquera Theater.

Old theaters, including Oriente, Cinerama, Cinema, and Eden also line up Colon Street but their glory have faded in lieu of what SM and Ayala Mall theaters are offering.

Chu said that within 10 years, the City Government will work with the schools, the vendors’ association, the barangays covering the downtown area, and the business owners to restore Colon Street.

Restoration includes repainting, removing of unused wires and cables, cleaning of the drainage system, installation of proper lightings, installation of police outposts to deter criminals, and remarketing of the downtown are for micro businesses, said Chu.

Chu said the private sector has chipped in to come up with the funds needed in the ambitious revitalization program.

Colon Street is a crowded street in downtown Cebu City that is often called the oldest street in the Philippines. It is named after Christopher Columbus. It traces its origins to the town plan by Miguel Lopez de Legazpi, the Spanish conquistador who arrived in the Philippines to establish a colony in 1565.

Colon, a bit run-down now, was the site of fashionable shops, offices and movie houses. It was once the heart of Cebu City’s shopping and business activity, but in recent years much of this activity has shifted inland to uptown areas.

In 2006, the Cebu City Council proposed a plan to close parts of Colon Street from vehicular traffic and convert it to a tourism zone. However, this was met with much opposition from businessmen and motorists due to concerns regarding security and parking spaces.

http://www.cebuonlinenews.com/20081208/992167-cebu-city-to-revitalize-colon-street/

well, this is very very good news! I know this will come true. soon! being a cebuano, you know its never to late and there is still hope for colon. :cheers:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter
December 9th, 2008, 11:06 AM
The City Government of Cebu is bent on bringing back the glory and prestige of Colon Street, considered as the country’s oldest street, in the next 10 years.

George Chu, President of Downtown Revitalization Project, yesterday said there is so much that needs to be done in the downtown area, especially in the historic Colon Street where old commercial buildings and a history of Cebu’s commerce and trade still remain.

“Sayang ang Colon. The landmarks are still there. Everything historical dating back to the 15th century is there but these have not been promoted anymore,” said Chu in a recent interview.

The Downtown Revitalization Program is a pet project of Vice Mayor Michael Rama who initiated the first move to restore Colon Street and the downtown area three years ago.

Under the program, vendors in the downtown area will be regulated and stores and business establishments will be compelled to clean their surroundings and promote a greener sidewalk, said Chu.

“We want people to go back to Colon for business and leisure,” said Chu, adding that before big malls were constructed at the Cebu Business Park and at the North Reclamation Area, the downtown area was considered as the center of trade and commerce, with department stores and commercial establishments lining up the city street.

Colon Street is also very historical, said Chu, because it was where known businessmen, like Lucio Tan, the Uytengsus, and the Aboitiz, among others, started their businesses in the early years.

Aside from Colon Street, historical areas in the downtown include Magallanes, Plaridel, Manalili, Leon Kilat, and Sanciangko Streets. The now considered as red light district, Junquera, used to be home to the country’s top theater, the Gen. Junquera Theater.

Old theaters, including Oriente, Cinerama, Cinema, and Eden also line up Colon Street but their glory have faded in lieu of what SM and Ayala Mall theaters are offering.

Chu said that within 10 years, the City Government will work with the schools, the vendors’ association, the barangays covering the downtown area, and the business owners to restore Colon Street.

Restoration includes repainting, removing of unused wires and cables, cleaning of the drainage system, installation of proper lightings, installation of police outposts to deter criminals, and remarketing of the downtown are for micro businesses, said Chu.

Chu said the private sector has chipped in to come up with the funds needed in the ambitious revitalization program.

Colon Street is a crowded street in downtown Cebu City that is often called the oldest street in the Philippines. It is named after Christopher Columbus. It traces its origins to the town plan by Miguel Lopez de Legazpi, the Spanish conquistador who arrived in the Philippines to establish a colony in 1565.

Colon, a bit run-down now, was the site of fashionable shops, offices and movie houses. It was once the heart of Cebu City’s shopping and business activity, but in recent years much of this activity has shifted inland to uptown areas.

In 2006, the Cebu City Council proposed a plan to close parts of Colon Street from vehicular traffic and convert it to a tourism zone. However, this was met with much opposition from businessmen and motorists due to concerns regarding security and parking spaces.

http://www.cebuonlinenews.com/20081208/992167-cebu-city-to-revitalize-colon-street/

well, this is very very good news! I know this will come true. soon! being a cebuano, you know its never to late and there is still hope for colon. :cheers:

gee
December 9th, 2008, 02:58 PM
The City Government of Cebu is bent on bringing back the glory and prestige of Colon Street, considered as the country’s oldest street, in the next 10 years.

George Chu, President of Downtown Revitalization Project, yesterday said there is so much that needs to be done in the downtown area, especially in the historic Colon Street where old commercial buildings and a history of Cebu’s commerce and trade still remain.

“Sayang ang Colon. The landmarks are still there. Everything historical dating back to the 15th century is there but these have not been promoted anymore,” said Chu in a recent interview.

The Downtown Revitalization Program is a pet project of Vice Mayor Michael Rama who initiated the first move to restore Colon Street and the downtown area three years ago.

Under the program, vendors in the downtown area will be regulated and stores and business establishments will be compelled to clean their surroundings and promote a greener sidewalk, said Chu.

“We want people to go back to Colon for business and leisure,” said Chu, adding that before big malls were constructed at the Cebu Business Park and at the North Reclamation Area, the downtown area was considered as the center of trade and commerce, with department stores and commercial establishments lining up the city street.

Colon Street is also very historical, said Chu, because it was where known businessmen, like Lucio Tan, the Uytengsus, and the Aboitiz, among others, started their businesses in the early years.

Aside from Colon Street, historical areas in the downtown include Magallanes, Plaridel, Manalili, Leon Kilat, and Sanciangko Streets. The now considered as red light district, Junquera, used to be home to the country’s top theater, the Gen. Junquera Theater.

Old theaters, including Oriente, Cinerama, Cinema, and Eden also line up Colon Street but their glory have faded in lieu of what SM and Ayala Mall theaters are offering.

Chu said that within 10 years, the City Government will work with the schools, the vendors’ association, the barangays covering the downtown area, and the business owners to restore Colon Street.

Restoration includes repainting, removing of unused wires and cables, cleaning of the drainage system, installation of proper lightings, installation of police outposts to deter criminals, and remarketing of the downtown are for micro businesses, said Chu.

Chu said the private sector has chipped in to come up with the funds needed in the ambitious revitalization program.

Colon Street is a crowded street in downtown Cebu City that is often called the oldest street in the Philippines. It is named after Christopher Columbus. It traces its origins to the town plan by Miguel Lopez de Legazpi, the Spanish conquistador who arrived in the Philippines to establish a colony in 1565.

Colon, a bit run-down now, was the site of fashionable shops, offices and movie houses. It was once the heart of Cebu City’s shopping and business activity, but in recent years much of this activity has shifted inland to uptown areas.

In 2006, the Cebu City Council proposed a plan to close parts of Colon Street from vehicular traffic and convert it to a tourism zone. However, this was met with much opposition from businessmen and motorists due to concerns regarding security and parking spaces.

http://www.cebuonlinenews.com/20081208/992167-cebu-city-to-revitalize-colon-street/

Longing for Colon St.
Henry L. Yu, M.D.

WHEN you spoke of downtown Cebu back in the ‘60s and ‘70s, you referred to that oldest street called Colon, along with Juan Luna St. (now Osmena Blvd.), and Plaridel, Manalili, Magallanes, Legaspi, Pelaez, Sanciangko, Junquera streets, among others.

These parts of Cebu will always be dear to my heart because they form a fabric of my yesteryears.

I remember the first time I got into downtown Cebu.

It was in 1960 when I tagged along with my mom. Our first stop was at the Manila Restaurant on Manalili St. for a bowl of maki (beef noodle soup) and siopao (steamed meat bun).

After that we went to Inting’s Grocery on Magallanes St. for some grocery stock orders, then across to Gay Sen Goldsmith for some jewelry business transactions, which my mom was engaged in during those times.

We had lunch at International Rice Houseon Colon St. (also referred to as just Colon) after which we went to Crown Grocery on M.C. Briones St.

Next, we went to Carbon Market for another set of stock orders. By 5:30 p.m. we boarded a taxi to Pier 4 and took the boat for our trip back to Iligan.

The summer of 1966 brought me back to downtown Cebu with an uncle this time for a vacation.

We checked-in at Intercontinental Hotel (near Gilmore Tailoring) on Manalili St. We had lunch at Majestic Restaurant in Colon and dinner at Swank Cafe on Sanciangco St. We also savored the renowned spring chicken of Chicken Island located in Colon. And again, I was in downtown Cebu in the summer of 1970 for another vacation. Same time, same places.

I have always been captivated by the lure of the more glittering life of a bigger city like Cebu back in my younger days. I did not know that someday I would become a permanent resident of this provincial capital situated on the eastern coast.

Looking back, it was in 1973 when I started life as a Cebuano (Sugboanon), who would speak the language of a true blue Sugboanon in due time, and who would live the Cebuano lifestyle. It has been Cebu for me since then.

Downtown Cebu was the place where I would run to for my shopping needs—from school supplies to clothes, from toiletries to gifts, and other items.

It was in White Gold (located then on Juan Luna St.) where I bought the materials for my school uniform.

Downtown Cebu was the center for business and entertainment, the heart of the city’s lifestyle.

It was where the movie houses were: Victor, Vision, Eden, President, Premier, Majestic, Mever, Oriente, Rizal, Seven Arts, Ultravistarama, Best, Omega, Diamond, among others. It was Southern Flame at the revolving Skyvue Diamond Tower for our nightclubbing and disco sessions.

Other times, I would find myself either eating my favorite chicken mami (a noodle soup make with either chicken or beef) and siopao at Fuji Teahouse located in what is now Gaisano Metro.

For my shopping needs, I went to White Gold, Fairmart, Best Buy, Gaw, Rosita’s Colon, Cinderella, Chekito Bazar, Sen Hiap Hing, Atin’s Supermarket, Felcris, and so on.

In the ‘90s when the mall trend hit Cebu, Colon took a different turn and has never been the same again.

Downtown Cebu still refers to Colon, though, but it has taken on a different aura.

Gone are the movie houses (some are now used as places where food is sold or cheap DVDs and CDs are sold), the restaurants of old, our favorite hangouts, and so on.

Colon is no longer the place we run to whenever we needed something.

But in my moments of solitude, I long for the old Cebu—downtown Cebu in particular.

That is because that was where lots of beautiful memories were built and created together with the many significant people who have been part of my young life.

Yes, the so-called youthful exuberance when I was a part of “the young and the restless,” in a world that was simpler.

I will never forget Colon. It will be always be The Downtown of my youth.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/longing-colon-st

gee
December 9th, 2008, 02:58 PM
The City Government of Cebu is bent on bringing back the glory and prestige of Colon Street, considered as the country’s oldest street, in the next 10 years.

George Chu, President of Downtown Revitalization Project, yesterday said there is so much that needs to be done in the downtown area, especially in the historic Colon Street where old commercial buildings and a history of Cebu’s commerce and trade still remain.

“Sayang ang Colon. The landmarks are still there. Everything historical dating back to the 15th century is there but these have not been promoted anymore,” said Chu in a recent interview.

The Downtown Revitalization Program is a pet project of Vice Mayor Michael Rama who initiated the first move to restore Colon Street and the downtown area three years ago.

Under the program, vendors in the downtown area will be regulated and stores and business establishments will be compelled to clean their surroundings and promote a greener sidewalk, said Chu.

“We want people to go back to Colon for business and leisure,” said Chu, adding that before big malls were constructed at the Cebu Business Park and at the North Reclamation Area, the downtown area was considered as the center of trade and commerce, with department stores and commercial establishments lining up the city street.

Colon Street is also very historical, said Chu, because it was where known businessmen, like Lucio Tan, the Uytengsus, and the Aboitiz, among others, started their businesses in the early years.

Aside from Colon Street, historical areas in the downtown include Magallanes, Plaridel, Manalili, Leon Kilat, and Sanciangko Streets. The now considered as red light district, Junquera, used to be home to the country’s top theater, the Gen. Junquera Theater.

Old theaters, including Oriente, Cinerama, Cinema, and Eden also line up Colon Street but their glory have faded in lieu of what SM and Ayala Mall theaters are offering.

Chu said that within 10 years, the City Government will work with the schools, the vendors’ association, the barangays covering the downtown area, and the business owners to restore Colon Street.

Restoration includes repainting, removing of unused wires and cables, cleaning of the drainage system, installation of proper lightings, installation of police outposts to deter criminals, and remarketing of the downtown are for micro businesses, said Chu.

Chu said the private sector has chipped in to come up with the funds needed in the ambitious revitalization program.

Colon Street is a crowded street in downtown Cebu City that is often called the oldest street in the Philippines. It is named after Christopher Columbus. It traces its origins to the town plan by Miguel Lopez de Legazpi, the Spanish conquistador who arrived in the Philippines to establish a colony in 1565.

Colon, a bit run-down now, was the site of fashionable shops, offices and movie houses. It was once the heart of Cebu City’s shopping and business activity, but in recent years much of this activity has shifted inland to uptown areas.

In 2006, the Cebu City Council proposed a plan to close parts of Colon Street from vehicular traffic and convert it to a tourism zone. However, this was met with much opposition from businessmen and motorists due to concerns regarding security and parking spaces.

http://www.cebuonlinenews.com/20081208/992167-cebu-city-to-revitalize-colon-street/

Longing for Colon St.
Henry L. Yu, M.D.

WHEN you spoke of downtown Cebu back in the ‘60s and ‘70s, you referred to that oldest street called Colon, along with Juan Luna St. (now Osmena Blvd.), and Plaridel, Manalili, Magallanes, Legaspi, Pelaez, Sanciangko, Junquera streets, among others.

These parts of Cebu will always be dear to my heart because they form a fabric of my yesteryears.

I remember the first time I got into downtown Cebu.

It was in 1960 when I tagged along with my mom. Our first stop was at the Manila Restaurant on Manalili St. for a bowl of maki (beef noodle soup) and siopao (steamed meat bun).

After that we went to Inting’s Grocery on Magallanes St. for some grocery stock orders, then across to Gay Sen Goldsmith for some jewelry business transactions, which my mom was engaged in during those times.

We had lunch at International Rice Houseon Colon St. (also referred to as just Colon) after which we went to Crown Grocery on M.C. Briones St.

Next, we went to Carbon Market for another set of stock orders. By 5:30 p.m. we boarded a taxi to Pier 4 and took the boat for our trip back to Iligan.

The summer of 1966 brought me back to downtown Cebu with an uncle this time for a vacation.

We checked-in at Intercontinental Hotel (near Gilmore Tailoring) on Manalili St. We had lunch at Majestic Restaurant in Colon and dinner at Swank Cafe on Sanciangco St. We also savored the renowned spring chicken of Chicken Island located in Colon. And again, I was in downtown Cebu in the summer of 1970 for another vacation. Same time, same places.

I have always been captivated by the lure of the more glittering life of a bigger city like Cebu back in my younger days. I did not know that someday I would become a permanent resident of this provincial capital situated on the eastern coast.

Looking back, it was in 1973 when I started life as a Cebuano (Sugboanon), who would speak the language of a true blue Sugboanon in due time, and who would live the Cebuano lifestyle. It has been Cebu for me since then.

Downtown Cebu was the place where I would run to for my shopping needs—from school supplies to clothes, from toiletries to gifts, and other items.

It was in White Gold (located then on Juan Luna St.) where I bought the materials for my school uniform.

Downtown Cebu was the center for business and entertainment, the heart of the city’s lifestyle.

It was where the movie houses were: Victor, Vision, Eden, President, Premier, Majestic, Mever, Oriente, Rizal, Seven Arts, Ultravistarama, Best, Omega, Diamond, among others. It was Southern Flame at the revolving Skyvue Diamond Tower for our nightclubbing and disco sessions.

Other times, I would find myself either eating my favorite chicken mami (a noodle soup make with either chicken or beef) and siopao at Fuji Teahouse located in what is now Gaisano Metro.

For my shopping needs, I went to White Gold, Fairmart, Best Buy, Gaw, Rosita’s Colon, Cinderella, Chekito Bazar, Sen Hiap Hing, Atin’s Supermarket, Felcris, and so on.

In the ‘90s when the mall trend hit Cebu, Colon took a different turn and has never been the same again.

Downtown Cebu still refers to Colon, though, but it has taken on a different aura.

Gone are the movie houses (some are now used as places where food is sold or cheap DVDs and CDs are sold), the restaurants of old, our favorite hangouts, and so on.

Colon is no longer the place we run to whenever we needed something.

But in my moments of solitude, I long for the old Cebu—downtown Cebu in particular.

That is because that was where lots of beautiful memories were built and created together with the many significant people who have been part of my young life.

Yes, the so-called youthful exuberance when I was a part of “the young and the restless,” in a world that was simpler.

I will never forget Colon. It will be always be The Downtown of my youth.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/longing-colon-st

LordCarnal
December 9th, 2008, 04:27 PM
^^

Very nice article.

Ganahan ko mukaon anang Chinese restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili.. Mangadto niya ta diha pohon..

And also, try the Chinese siopao near Gaisano South. P20 only for 1 siopao and 1 RC Cola.

LordCarnal
December 9th, 2008, 04:27 PM
^^

Very nice article.

Ganahan ko mukaon anang Chinese restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili.. Mangadto niya ta diha pohon..

And also, try the Chinese siopao near Gaisano South. P20 only for 1 siopao and 1 RC Cola.

goleyson
December 9th, 2008, 05:21 PM
^^
across the temple? murag hotel mana.. functional pa ba na ang temple.. i mean services and rituals are still being held there?

goleyson
December 9th, 2008, 05:21 PM
^^
across the temple? murag hotel mana.. functional pa ba na ang temple.. i mean services and rituals are still being held there?

sanvalente
December 10th, 2008, 12:06 AM
^^

Very nice article.

Ganahan ko mukaon anang Chinese restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili.. Mangadto niya ta diha pohon..

And also, try the Chinese siopao near Gaisano South. P20 only for 1 siopao and 1 RC Cola.

Sige bai.. adto pod ta maniudto sa Manila Restaurant atbang sa temple...

Any news ni Archaeologue sa iyang treasure hunt sa Argao ?... now I call
this as the real treasure hunt ... heritage treasures! not the misnomer WW2
hunting... if you can read this, I talk to your lady friend (the "collector") who has her own museum but her siblings and other relatives refused to pay for
the maintenance of her museum kay getting expensive na kuno. Naa siya'y
project in Argao last year and she got plenty of artifacts again....

Porbida....

sanvalente
December 10th, 2008, 12:06 AM
^^

Very nice article.

Ganahan ko mukaon anang Chinese restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili.. Mangadto niya ta diha pohon..

And also, try the Chinese siopao near Gaisano South. P20 only for 1 siopao and 1 RC Cola.

Sige bai.. adto pod ta maniudto sa Manila Restaurant atbang sa temple...

Any news ni Archaeologue sa iyang treasure hunt sa Argao ?... now I call
this as the real treasure hunt ... heritage treasures! not the misnomer WW2
hunting... if you can read this, I talk to your lady friend (the "collector") who has her own museum but her siblings and other relatives refused to pay for
the maintenance of her museum kay getting expensive na kuno. Naa siya'y
project in Argao last year and she got plenty of artifacts again....

Porbida....

archaeologue
December 10th, 2008, 01:23 AM
Sige bai.. adto pod ta maniudto sa Manila Restaurant atbang sa temple...

Any news ni Archaeologue sa iyang treasure hunt sa Argao ?... now I call
this as the real treasure hunt ... heritage treasures! not the misnomer WW2
hunting... if you can read this, I talk to your lady friend (the "collector") who has her own museum but her siblings and other relatives refused to pay for
the maintenance of her museum kay getting expensive na kuno. Naa siya'y
project in Argao last year and she got plenty of artifacts again....

Porbida....

puera gaba na sya!

anyway, we found some structure here that may pre-date the wall surroudning the pueblo. but this structure is clearly Spanish period. perhaps the visita?

no burials at al---yet. but the search for settlement evidence is doing well.

evening lectures are well-attended. you should come and visit us this saturday.

archaeologue
December 10th, 2008, 01:23 AM
Sige bai.. adto pod ta maniudto sa Manila Restaurant atbang sa temple...

Any news ni Archaeologue sa iyang treasure hunt sa Argao ?... now I call
this as the real treasure hunt ... heritage treasures! not the misnomer WW2
hunting... if you can read this, I talk to your lady friend (the "collector") who has her own museum but her siblings and other relatives refused to pay for
the maintenance of her museum kay getting expensive na kuno. Naa siya'y
project in Argao last year and she got plenty of artifacts again....

Porbida....

puera gaba na sya!

anyway, we found some structure here that may pre-date the wall surroudning the pueblo. but this structure is clearly Spanish period. perhaps the visita?

no burials at al---yet. but the search for settlement evidence is doing well.

evening lectures are well-attended. you should come and visit us this saturday.

Ka_Bino
December 10th, 2008, 08:20 PM
WeKAWzmaJRo
Paarung ingnon lang

Cebuano Version of Paul Melendez's Make Believe popularized by Marko Sison

A TAYTAYAN Production

Ka_Bino
December 10th, 2008, 08:20 PM
WeKAWzmaJRo
Paarung ingnon lang

Cebuano Version of Paul Melendez's Make Believe popularized by Marko Sison

A TAYTAYAN Production

flesh_is_weak
December 10th, 2008, 09:53 PM
laysho, Cebu had an Intercontinental Hotel branch before?

btw, I was discussing the history of the 'great Cebuano people' with my new-found friends and I stumbled upon a gray area...

regarding Lapu-Lapu's chiefdom, what became of it during the time of Legazpi's arrival? could there be any truth behind the obscure legend that a natural cataclysm that struck Mactan Island sometime during the period between Magellan's death and Legazpi's arrival led to the creation of an alliance between Humabon and Lapu-Lapu?

flesh_is_weak
December 10th, 2008, 09:53 PM
laysho, Cebu had an Intercontinental Hotel branch before?

btw, I was discussing the history of the 'great Cebuano people' with my new-found friends and I stumbled upon a gray area...

regarding Lapu-Lapu's chiefdom, what became of it during the time of Legazpi's arrival? could there be any truth behind the obscure legend that a natural cataclysm that struck Mactan Island sometime during the period between Magellan's death and Legazpi's arrival led to the creation of an alliance between Humabon and Lapu-Lapu?

LordCarnal
December 11th, 2008, 05:30 AM
Sige bai.. adto pod ta maniudto sa Manila Restaurant atbang sa temple...

Any news ni Archaeologue sa iyang treasure hunt sa Argao ?... now I call
this as the real treasure hunt ... heritage treasures! not the misnomer WW2
hunting... if you can read this, I talk to your lady friend (the "collector") who has her own museum but her siblings and other relatives refused to pay for
the maintenance of her museum kay getting expensive na kuno. Naa siya'y
project in Argao last year and she got plenty of artifacts again....

Porbida....

Ahhh so that's the Manila Restaurant.

Okay let's go there with the other heritage peeps. :okay:



puera gaba na sya!

anyway, we found some structure here that may pre-date the wall surroudning the pueblo. but this structure is clearly Spanish period. perhaps the visita?

no burials at al---yet. but the search for settlement evidence is doing well.

evening lectures are well-attended. you should come and visit us this saturday.

Where exactly in the Pueblo are you digging sir? I remember there was a discussion that the chapel near the gate to the sea might be the mortuario of an old cemetery.

LordCarnal
December 11th, 2008, 05:30 AM
Sige bai.. adto pod ta maniudto sa Manila Restaurant atbang sa temple...

Any news ni Archaeologue sa iyang treasure hunt sa Argao ?... now I call
this as the real treasure hunt ... heritage treasures! not the misnomer WW2
hunting... if you can read this, I talk to your lady friend (the "collector") who has her own museum but her siblings and other relatives refused to pay for
the maintenance of her museum kay getting expensive na kuno. Naa siya'y
project in Argao last year and she got plenty of artifacts again....

Porbida....

Ahhh so that's the Manila Restaurant.

Okay let's go there with the other heritage peeps. :okay:



puera gaba na sya!

anyway, we found some structure here that may pre-date the wall surroudning the pueblo. but this structure is clearly Spanish period. perhaps the visita?

no burials at al---yet. but the search for settlement evidence is doing well.

evening lectures are well-attended. you should come and visit us this saturday.

Where exactly in the Pueblo are you digging sir? I remember there was a discussion that the chapel near the gate to the sea might be the mortuario of an old cemetery.

Taga Bogo
December 11th, 2008, 08:17 AM
regarding Lapu-Lapu's chiefdom, what became of it during the time of Legazpi's arrival? could there be any truth behind the obscure legend that a natural cataclysm that struck Mactan Island sometime during the period between Magellan's death and Legazpi's arrival led to the creation of an alliance between Humabon and Lapu-Lapu?

JoB
Basin impatient lang ko, nagdali. With flesh_is_weak's statement "Lapu-Lapu's chiefdom, what became of it during the time of Legazpi's arrival" Yes whatever happened to it man? Are you planning to publish a paper regarding the diggings around the fort? Ma relate ba nang mga kalabira around the time of Magee and Lapu? Do they predate them? Samok samok na sad ko with these info

Taga Bogo
December 11th, 2008, 08:17 AM
regarding Lapu-Lapu's chiefdom, what became of it during the time of Legazpi's arrival? could there be any truth behind the obscure legend that a natural cataclysm that struck Mactan Island sometime during the period between Magellan's death and Legazpi's arrival led to the creation of an alliance between Humabon and Lapu-Lapu?

JoB
Basin impatient lang ko, nagdali. With flesh_is_weak's statement "Lapu-Lapu's chiefdom, what became of it during the time of Legazpi's arrival" Yes whatever happened to it man? Are you planning to publish a paper regarding the diggings around the fort? Ma relate ba nang mga kalabira around the time of Magee and Lapu? Do they predate them? Samok samok na sad ko with these info

archaeologue
December 12th, 2008, 11:11 AM
JoB
Basin impatient lang ko, nagdali. With flesh_is_weak's statement "Lapu-Lapu's chiefdom, what became of it during the time of Legazpi's arrival" Yes whatever happened to it man? Are you planning to publish a paper regarding the diggings around the fort? Ma relate ba nang mga kalabira around the time of Magee and Lapu? Do they predate them? Samok samok na sad ko with these info

i really don't know what happened to the lapu-lapu settlement in mactan. whatver archaeological evidence was left went to antique collectors there. much of the land where lapu-lapu was believed to have created a settlement also became the airport runway! paet.


i would understand why legazpi would not mention him in his reports. he was a painful blot in Spanish "macho conquistador" history!!! tsk! tsk! tsk!


but the plaza independencia finds, well that is another story. the evidence suggests a very large trading settlement was in the area around the 15th-16th century. judging from the huge celadon plates (a la planggana ang sizes and the weight of up to 5 kilos!) you would need a lot of items to barter with in order to get them. this may indeed be the humabon-tupas settlement.


it would be foolhardy for the chinese and vietnamese to bring these to Cebu if they did not know that these would be traded here for good. bug-at bya kaayo. malunod jud ang sampan if mga 100 pieces to tanan with that kind of kiloware. we found just three of these ra ha. but there may have been more.


a press con and opening of the exhibits from our finds in October will be held this coming tuesday, 16 December at Fort San Pedro.

Alas, I won't be around because I will still be excavating in Argao.

archaeologue
December 12th, 2008, 11:11 AM
JoB
Basin impatient lang ko, nagdali. With flesh_is_weak's statement "Lapu-Lapu's chiefdom, what became of it during the time of Legazpi's arrival" Yes whatever happened to it man? Are you planning to publish a paper regarding the diggings around the fort? Ma relate ba nang mga kalabira around the time of Magee and Lapu? Do they predate them? Samok samok na sad ko with these info

i really don't know what happened to the lapu-lapu settlement in mactan. whatver archaeological evidence was left went to antique collectors there. much of the land where lapu-lapu was believed to have created a settlement also became the airport runway! paet.


i would understand why legazpi would not mention him in his reports. he was a painful blot in Spanish "macho conquistador" history!!! tsk! tsk! tsk!


but the plaza independencia finds, well that is another story. the evidence suggests a very large trading settlement was in the area around the 15th-16th century. judging from the huge celadon plates (a la planggana ang sizes and the weight of up to 5 kilos!) you would need a lot of items to barter with in order to get them. this may indeed be the humabon-tupas settlement.


it would be foolhardy for the chinese and vietnamese to bring these to Cebu if they did not know that these would be traded here for good. bug-at bya kaayo. malunod jud ang sampan if mga 100 pieces to tanan with that kind of kiloware. we found just three of these ra ha. but there may have been more.


a press con and opening of the exhibits from our finds in October will be held this coming tuesday, 16 December at Fort San Pedro.

Alas, I won't be around because I will still be excavating in Argao.

archaeologue
December 12th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Ahhh so that's the Manila Restaurant.

Okay let's go there with the other heritage peeps. :okay:





Where exactly in the Pueblo are you digging sir? I remember there was a discussion that the chapel near the gate to the sea might be the mortuario of an old cemetery.


it is probably. but that is christian and we do not excavate such sites simply because they are part of recorded history.

we are actually in front of the tourism office and at the side of the Greek-building called the legislature, which is on the othr side of the puerta marina.

so far we are still on the spanish period layer and it is already water logged!!!

we are using small pumps to get water out.

archaeologue
December 12th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Ahhh so that's the Manila Restaurant.

Okay let's go there with the other heritage peeps. :okay:





Where exactly in the Pueblo are you digging sir? I remember there was a discussion that the chapel near the gate to the sea might be the mortuario of an old cemetery.


it is probably. but that is christian and we do not excavate such sites simply because they are part of recorded history.

we are actually in front of the tourism office and at the side of the Greek-building called the legislature, which is on the othr side of the puerta marina.

so far we are still on the spanish period layer and it is already water logged!!!

we are using small pumps to get water out.

archaeologue
December 12th, 2008, 11:17 AM
Ahhh so that's the Manila Restaurant.

Okay let's go there with the other heritage peeps. :okay:





Where exactly in the Pueblo are you digging sir? I remember there was a discussion that the chapel near the gate to the sea might be the mortuario of an old cemetery.


it probably is. but that is christian and we do not excavate such sites simply because they are part of recorded history.

we are actually in front of the tourism office and at the side of the Greek-building called the legislature, which is on the othr side of the puerta marina.

so far we are still on the spanish period layer and it is already water logged!!!

we are using small pumps to get water out.

archaeologue
December 12th, 2008, 11:17 AM
Ahhh so that's the Manila Restaurant.

Okay let's go there with the other heritage peeps. :okay:





Where exactly in the Pueblo are you digging sir? I remember there was a discussion that the chapel near the gate to the sea might be the mortuario of an old cemetery.


it probably is. but that is christian and we do not excavate such sites simply because they are part of recorded history.

we are actually in front of the tourism office and at the side of the Greek-building called the legislature, which is on the othr side of the puerta marina.

so far we are still on the spanish period layer and it is already water logged!!!

we are using small pumps to get water out.

habagatcentral1
December 12th, 2008, 03:49 PM
Good day mga bai and sirs!

Just would like to ask if the Agustinians in the Basilica (as the seat of Provincialate of the local Agustinian community in the country) have a good references of their works here in the Philippines during the Spanish times? I am currently searching for Archivo Historico Hispano Agustiniano (AHHA) if they have such existing materials there?

I know for certain that the Agustinian Archives is at Valladolid in Spain, but I'm just assuming that they have copies either in Cebu (Sto Nino), Manila (San Agustin) or Iloilo (Univ.Sn.Agustin).

Thanks in advance! :)

habagatcentral1
December 12th, 2008, 03:49 PM
Good day mga bai and sirs!

Just would like to ask if the Agustinians in the Basilica (as the seat of Provincialate of the local Agustinian community in the country) have a good references of their works here in the Philippines during the Spanish times? I am currently searching for Archivo Historico Hispano Agustiniano (AHHA) if they have such existing materials there?

I know for certain that the Agustinian Archives is at Valladolid in Spain, but I'm just assuming that they have copies either in Cebu (Sto Nino), Manila (San Agustin) or Iloilo (Univ.Sn.Agustin).

Thanks in advance! :)

Animo
December 12th, 2008, 08:20 PM
Bernie you could try worldcat.org to look for some materials.

Animo
December 12th, 2008, 08:20 PM
Bernie you could try worldcat.org to look for some materials.

habagatcentral1
December 12th, 2008, 11:43 PM
^^ Gracias Animo! Arcilla needs proof (in its true state....as in empirical evidence talga! lufet! :cry: )

But thanks! I'll try to look into that. :)

habagatcentral1
December 12th, 2008, 11:43 PM
^^ Gracias Animo! Arcilla needs proof (in its true state....as in empirical evidence talga! lufet! :cry: )

But thanks! I'll try to look into that. :)

Pinoy_ako
December 13th, 2008, 03:01 AM
Good day mga bai and sirs!

Just would like to ask if the Agustinians in the Basilica (as the seat of Provincialate of the local Agustinian community in the country) have a good references of their works here in the Philippines during the Spanish times? I am currently searching for Archivo Historico Hispano Agustiniano (AHHA) if they have such existing materials there?

I know for certain that the Agustinian Archives is at Valladolid in Spain, but I'm just assuming that they have copies either in Cebu (Sto Nino), Manila (San Agustin) or Iloilo (Univ.Sn.Agustin).

Thanks in advance! :)

The British pillaged the archives and library of the Manila convent. Parts of these were auctioned and went to three institutions: Lily Library ( USA), Lopez Library ( Quezon City ) and Sophia University ( Japan ). Lopez Library is not aware of the provenance of some of their holdings. However, these institution have catalogues so you may want to browse through them and see what suits you.

The Manila Library had losses during WWII. Most of its collections came from the Shanghai mission which transferred to Manila after it closed down. The Cebu and Iloilo centers might have interesting items not found elsewhere :)

Pinoy_ako
December 13th, 2008, 03:01 AM
Good day mga bai and sirs!

Just would like to ask if the Agustinians in the Basilica (as the seat of Provincialate of the local Agustinian community in the country) have a good references of their works here in the Philippines during the Spanish times? I am currently searching for Archivo Historico Hispano Agustiniano (AHHA) if they have such existing materials there?

I know for certain that the Agustinian Archives is at Valladolid in Spain, but I'm just assuming that they have copies either in Cebu (Sto Nino), Manila (San Agustin) or Iloilo (Univ.Sn.Agustin).

Thanks in advance! :)

The British pillaged the archives and library of the Manila convent. Parts of these were auctioned and went to three institutions: Lily Library ( USA), Lopez Library ( Quezon City ) and Sophia University ( Japan ). Lopez Library is not aware of the provenance of some of their holdings. However, these institution have catalogues so you may want to browse through them and see what suits you.

The Manila Library had losses during WWII. Most of its collections came from the Shanghai mission which transferred to Manila after it closed down. The Cebu and Iloilo centers might have interesting items not found elsewhere :)

Taga Bogo
December 13th, 2008, 03:13 AM
i really don't know what happened to the lapu-lapu settlement in mactan. whatver archaeological evidence was left went to antique collectors there. much of the land where lapu-lapu was believed to have created a settlement also became the airport runway! paet.


Anogon, basin in the future mahibaw-an ra kung naa pay excavations. Anogon lang ang info dili mo gawas in my lifetime.

Thanks so much for the update

Taga Bogo
December 13th, 2008, 03:13 AM
i really don't know what happened to the lapu-lapu settlement in mactan. whatver archaeological evidence was left went to antique collectors there. much of the land where lapu-lapu was believed to have created a settlement also became the airport runway! paet.


Anogon, basin in the future mahibaw-an ra kung naa pay excavations. Anogon lang ang info dili mo gawas in my lifetime.

Thanks so much for the update

LordCarnal
December 15th, 2008, 01:07 PM
Another heritage church in Cebu have been bastardized. :bash:



.:.

LordCarnal
December 15th, 2008, 01:07 PM
Another heritage church in Cebu have been bastardized. :bash:



.:.

Ang Karaang Tawo
December 15th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Another heritage church in Cebu have been bastardized. :bash:



.:.

Please text me your email address. I lost it last night. Sige na so you can show the pictures to support your statement that another heritage church in Cebu has been bastardized - the word is an understatement. Gaba-an unta ang responsable ninini!

Ang Karaang Tawo
December 15th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Another heritage church in Cebu have been bastardized. :bash:



.:.

Please text me your email address. I lost it last night. Sige na so you can show the pictures to support your statement that another heritage church in Cebu has been bastardized - the word is an understatement. Gaba-an unta ang responsable ninini!

goleyson
December 15th, 2008, 02:27 PM
^^
which one?

goleyson
December 15th, 2008, 02:27 PM
^^
which one?

SleMarKen
December 15th, 2008, 03:28 PM
^^
which one?

mao jud.... di lang sa ko mosulti. wait lang ko.

SleMarKen
December 15th, 2008, 03:28 PM
^^
which one?

mao jud.... di lang sa ko mosulti. wait lang ko.

Pinoy_ako
December 16th, 2008, 02:47 AM
Another heritage church in Cebu have been bastardized. :bash:



.:.

Sometimes, I have this feeling that the approval of the Heritage Bill is purposely being delayed, wherever it is now.

Pinoy_ako
December 16th, 2008, 02:47 AM
Another heritage church in Cebu have been bastardized. :bash:



.:.

Sometimes, I have this feeling that the approval of the Heritage Bill is purposely being delayed, wherever it is now.

overtureph
December 16th, 2008, 05:35 AM
Another heritage church in Cebu have been bastardized. :bash:



.:.

Which church was it? Photos?

overtureph
December 16th, 2008, 05:35 AM
Another heritage church in Cebu have been bastardized. :bash:



.:.

Which church was it? Photos?

archaeologue
December 16th, 2008, 10:37 AM
Which church was it? Photos?

ay dah, lungsod nga tapad sa Argao...mao ra na ako ikasulti...

archaeologue
December 16th, 2008, 10:37 AM
Which church was it? Photos?

ay dah, lungsod nga tapad sa Argao...mao ra na ako ikasulti...

gee
December 16th, 2008, 11:34 AM
@archaeologue -- unsa may resulta sa inyong pagkalut didto sa argao? o nagpadayon pa ning pagkalut didto?

gee
December 16th, 2008, 11:34 AM
@archaeologue -- unsa may resulta sa inyong pagkalut didto sa argao? o nagpadayon pa ning pagkalut didto?

LordCarnal
December 16th, 2008, 12:45 PM
Here are some photos courtesy of Mr. & Mrs. Alix

Dalaguete Church


Before

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete04.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete05.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete08.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete09.jpg



After (compare the photos above with this one)

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete01.jpg



Dalaguete church has a plaque from the NHI

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete02.jpg

LordCarnal
December 16th, 2008, 12:45 PM
Here are some photos courtesy of Mr. & Mrs. Alix

Dalaguete Church


Before

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete04.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete05.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete08.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete09.jpg



After (compare the photos above with this one)

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete01.jpg



Dalaguete church has a plaque from the NHI

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete02.jpg

Ang Karaang Tawo
December 16th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Here are some photos courtesy of Mr. & Mrs. Alix

Dalaguete Church


Before

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete04.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete05.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete08.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete09.jpg



After (compare the photos above with this one)

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete01.jpg



Dalaguete church has a plaque from the NHI

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete02.jpg

There are no words in the English language to express my feelings about the Dalaguete church. I will have to quote the venerable Joberz: PAET!

Ang Karaang Tawo
December 16th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Here are some photos courtesy of Mr. & Mrs. Alix

Dalaguete Church


Before

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete04.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete05.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete08.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete09.jpg



After (compare the photos above with this one)

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete01.jpg



Dalaguete church has a plaque from the NHI

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete02.jpg

There are no words in the English language to express my feelings about the Dalaguete church. I will have to quote the venerable Joberz: PAET!

goleyson
December 16th, 2008, 01:11 PM
unsa man tawon na ilang gitaud oi? kang kinsa ng project? sa kanang duha ka pari? nganong gibutangan og stairs? abi ba nakog active na ni amg dalaguete. maayu untag nindut and ni blend sa design sa retablo.. nah basin madugay ani ang mga tabernacle kay personal fridge nay gamiton.

has any heritage worker came to dalaguete and complained about this? i hope di ra ta kutob og air sa atung sentiments diri kay for sure kanang mga pari mga computer dinosaur pud na. bisan pag pila ka paragraphs atu comment di na maabot nila.

if they have installed diving boars to the cathedral, duda ko murag lababo ni..

goleyson
December 16th, 2008, 01:11 PM
unsa man tawon na ilang gitaud oi? kang kinsa ng project? sa kanang duha ka pari? nganong gibutangan og stairs? abi ba nakog active na ni amg dalaguete. maayu untag nindut and ni blend sa design sa retablo.. nah basin madugay ani ang mga tabernacle kay personal fridge nay gamiton.

has any heritage worker came to dalaguete and complained about this? i hope di ra ta kutob og air sa atung sentiments diri kay for sure kanang mga pari mga computer dinosaur pud na. bisan pag pila ka paragraphs atu comment di na maabot nila.

if they have installed diving boars to the cathedral, duda ko murag lababo ni..

Ang Karaang Tawo
December 16th, 2008, 02:18 PM
unsa man tawon na ilang gitaud oi? kang kinsa ng project? sa kanang duha ka pari? nganong gibutangan og stairs? abi ba nakog active na ni amg dalaguete. maayu untag nindut and ni blend sa design sa retablo.. nah basin madugay ani ang mga tabernacle kay personal fridge nay gamiton.

has any heritage worker came to dalaguete and complained about this? i hope di ra ta kutob og air sa atung sentiments diri kay for sure kanang mga pari mga computer dinosaur pud na. bisan pag pila ka paragraphs atu comment di na maabot nila.

if they have installed diving boars to the cathedral, duda ko murag lababo ni..

Nag occular inspection tawon mi didto, that's why you have these pictures. The issue is quite complicated now. Basta in my opinion only the lay people care about the heritage of the church whether structure or artifacts. I'm beginning to lose all hope. I want to throw the towel in right now. Useless mag putak-putak when the very people who are supposed to take care of these heritage structures do not give a hoot about heritage. Maayo unta ug may coherence sa tibuok retablo ang ilang gibuhat! God help us!

Ang Karaang Tawo
December 16th, 2008, 02:18 PM
unsa man tawon na ilang gitaud oi? kang kinsa ng project? sa kanang duha ka pari? nganong gibutangan og stairs? abi ba nakog active na ni amg dalaguete. maayu untag nindut and ni blend sa design sa retablo.. nah basin madugay ani ang mga tabernacle kay personal fridge nay gamiton.

has any heritage worker came to dalaguete and complained about this? i hope di ra ta kutob og air sa atung sentiments diri kay for sure kanang mga pari mga computer dinosaur pud na. bisan pag pila ka paragraphs atu comment di na maabot nila.

if they have installed diving boars to the cathedral, duda ko murag lababo ni..

Nag occular inspection tawon mi didto, that's why you have these pictures. The issue is quite complicated now. Basta in my opinion only the lay people care about the heritage of the church whether structure or artifacts. I'm beginning to lose all hope. I want to throw the towel in right now. Useless mag putak-putak when the very people who are supposed to take care of these heritage structures do not give a hoot about heritage. Maayo unta ug may coherence sa tibuok retablo ang ilang gibuhat! God help us!

MatudNilaBaby
December 16th, 2008, 03:40 PM
the inscription of the historical marker is really out of touch. it must be done in a language that is understandable by its local people and foreign tourist alike. they should start using english as the medium of information stating the significance of the place. the historical value of the honored site is already lost in translation alone. so why bother post it kon dili ta kasabot sa ilang buot nga ipa abot.

MatudNilaBaby
December 16th, 2008, 03:40 PM
the inscription of the historical marker is really out of touch. it must be done in a language that is understandable by its local people and foreign tourist alike. they should start using english as the medium of information stating the significance of the place. the historical value of the honored site is already lost in translation alone. so why bother post it kon dili ta kasabot sa ilang buot nga ipa abot.

bukid
December 16th, 2008, 05:21 PM
permanent ba nang ila gibutang diha sa simbahan? kung permanent na, lami gyud na sunogon nalang nang simbahana kay kataw-anan na ang hitsura ana. pati ang tiles gitangal pud diay. mas lami pa man tan-awon ang before kaysa sa after.

bukid
December 16th, 2008, 05:21 PM
permanent ba nang ila gibutang diha sa simbahan? kung permanent na, lami gyud na sunogon nalang nang simbahana kay kataw-anan na ang hitsura ana. pati ang tiles gitangal pud diay. mas lami pa man tan-awon ang before kaysa sa after.

overtureph
December 16th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Nag occular inspection tawon mi didto, that's why you have these pictures. The issue is quite complicated now. Basta in my opinion only the lay people care about the heritage of the church whether structure or artifacts. I'm beginning to lose all hope. I want to throw the towel in right now. Useless mag putak-putak when the very people who are supposed to take care of these heritage structures do not give a hoot about heritage. Maayo unta ug may coherence sa tibuok retablo ang ilang gibuhat! God help us!

Maybe the clergy should be reminded that a church by it's very nature, is communal (property). Don't they have a pastoral council?

overtureph
December 16th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Nag occular inspection tawon mi didto, that's why you have these pictures. The issue is quite complicated now. Basta in my opinion only the lay people care about the heritage of the church whether structure or artifacts. I'm beginning to lose all hope. I want to throw the towel in right now. Useless mag putak-putak when the very people who are supposed to take care of these heritage structures do not give a hoot about heritage. Maayo unta ug may coherence sa tibuok retablo ang ilang gibuhat! God help us!

Maybe the clergy should be reminded that a church by it's very nature, is communal (property). Don't they have a pastoral council?

Ka_Bino
December 16th, 2008, 05:29 PM
Mao nga ang paglihok sa Pederasyon kinahanglan na gayud

Ka_Bino
December 16th, 2008, 05:29 PM
Mao nga ang paglihok sa Pederasyon kinahanglan na gayud

habagatcentral1
December 16th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Hmmm....does NHI/NCCA have a knowledge about this already? Because its part of the historical landmarks inscribed by NHI and may be bound to its rules in heritage preservation.

habagatcentral1
December 16th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Hmmm....does NHI/NCCA have a knowledge about this already? Because its part of the historical landmarks inscribed by NHI and may be bound to its rules in heritage preservation.

goleyson
December 16th, 2008, 06:02 PM
Nag occular inspection tawon mi didto, that's why you have these pictures. The issue is quite complicated now. Basta in my opinion only the lay people care about the heritage of the church whether structure or artifacts. I'm beginning to lose all hope. I want to throw the towel in right now. Useless mag putak-putak when the very people who are supposed to take care of these heritage structures do not give a hoot about heritage. Maayo unta ug may coherence sa tibuok retablo ang ilang gibuhat! God help us!


Oh i see... if silver pokpok ilang giinsatall and in harmony with the retablo ok ra but marble.. it is just too far out. kanindot pa uwanan og bato aning mga pari-a oi. asa naman tong mga panels na ilang gitangtang? pang museum nalang tu or gisugnod or gidauban na?

Unsa may say ni cardinal ani?

goleyson
December 16th, 2008, 06:02 PM
Nag occular inspection tawon mi didto, that's why you have these pictures. The issue is quite complicated now. Basta in my opinion only the lay people care about the heritage of the church whether structure or artifacts. I'm beginning to lose all hope. I want to throw the towel in right now. Useless mag putak-putak when the very people who are supposed to take care of these heritage structures do not give a hoot about heritage. Maayo unta ug may coherence sa tibuok retablo ang ilang gibuhat! God help us!


Oh i see... if silver pokpok ilang giinsatall and in harmony with the retablo ok ra but marble.. it is just too far out. kanindot pa uwanan og bato aning mga pari-a oi. asa naman tong mga panels na ilang gitangtang? pang museum nalang tu or gisugnod or gidauban na?

Unsa may say ni cardinal ani?

sanvalente
December 17th, 2008, 12:21 AM
Hmmm....does NHI/NCCA have a knowledge about this already? Because its part of the historical landmarks inscribed by NHI and may be bound to its rules in heritage preservation.

Bai Habagatcentral,

Can you please forward those pics to aocampo@ateneo.edu? Don't know how. Let's see what he has to say about this being the head of NHI. We need to know if NHI rulings cover the inside specifically the altar and the retablo. If you
can cc the Cardinal or maybe Fads (Fr. Pono) then the better but I don't have
their email ads.

Porbida!

sanvalente
December 17th, 2008, 12:21 AM
Hmmm....does NHI/NCCA have a knowledge about this already? Because its part of the historical landmarks inscribed by NHI and may be bound to its rules in heritage preservation.

Bai Habagatcentral,

Can you please forward those pics to aocampo@ateneo.edu? Don't know how. Let's see what he has to say about this being the head of NHI. We need to know if NHI rulings cover the inside specifically the altar and the retablo. If you
can cc the Cardinal or maybe Fads (Fr. Pono) then the better but I don't have
their email ads.

Porbida!

SleMarKen
December 17th, 2008, 12:30 AM
daghan man diay nga mga pari angay ilansang... :ohno:

SleMarKen
December 17th, 2008, 12:30 AM
daghan man diay nga mga pari angay ilansang... :ohno:

Pinoy_ako
December 17th, 2008, 04:33 AM
Maybe the clergy should be reminded that a church by it's very nature, is communal (property). Don't they have a pastoral council?

In one Luzon town, it was the Parish Pastoral Council which approved the enlargement and eventual destruction of the old church.

Pinoy_ako
December 17th, 2008, 04:33 AM
Maybe the clergy should be reminded that a church by it's very nature, is communal (property). Don't they have a pastoral council?

In one Luzon town, it was the Parish Pastoral Council which approved the enlargement and eventual destruction of the old church.

Pinoy_ako
December 17th, 2008, 04:42 AM
What's happening to the chuches along the Bermejo Trail?

Here are some photos courtesy of Mr. & Mrs. Alix

Dalaguete church has a plaque from the NHI

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete02.jpg

This is a National Historical Landmark. A letter should be sent to NHI informing them of the alterations done. If the people can still locate the former tabernacle and gradillas, it would be of great help in the subsequent reinstallation of these artifacts. Is the altar table the original one?

Bai Habagatcentral,

Can you please forward those pics to aocampo@ateneo.edu? Don't know how. Let's see what he has to say about this being the head of NHI. We need to know if NHI rulings cover the inside specifically the altar and the retablo. If you
can cc the Cardinal or maybe Fads (Fr. Pono) then the better but I don't have
their email ads.

Porbida!

Yes, NHI rulings cover all parts of the church. But if NHI approved the plans, it will be implemented. Something very similar to this happened in San Sebastian a few years back. The silver(!) gradillas or altar steps were dismantled (for cleaning kuno, but never recovered ) and were replaced with the alleged original wooden ones. Nothing happened because the silver panels were not recovered but I think the one involved was replaced.

Pinoy_ako
December 17th, 2008, 04:42 AM
What's happening to the chuches along the Bermejo Trail?

Here are some photos courtesy of Mr. & Mrs. Alix

Dalaguete church has a plaque from the NHI

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete02.jpg

This is a National Historical Landmark. A letter should be sent to NHI informing them of the alterations done. If the people can still locate the former tabernacle and gradillas, it would be of great help in the subsequent reinstallation of these artifacts. Is the altar table the original one?

Bai Habagatcentral,

Can you please forward those pics to aocampo@ateneo.edu? Don't know how. Let's see what he has to say about this being the head of NHI. We need to know if NHI rulings cover the inside specifically the altar and the retablo. If you
can cc the Cardinal or maybe Fads (Fr. Pono) then the better but I don't have
their email ads.

Porbida!

Yes, NHI rulings cover all parts of the church. But if NHI approved the plans, it will be implemented. Something very similar to this happened in San Sebastian a few years back. The silver(!) gradillas or altar steps were dismantled (for cleaning kuno, but never recovered ) and were replaced with the alleged original wooden ones. Nothing happened because the silver panels were not recovered but I think the one involved was replaced.