^^ If this reached the authorities in Manila, then we may be seeing a similar scenario like what happened in Miag-ao Church's alterations by the priest and the rift between the monsignor and NCCA/NHI. The priest may impose that Boora School of thought instead of the Venetian model...

^^ If this reached the authorities in Manila, then we may be seeing a similar scenario like what happened in Miag-ao Church's alterations by the priest and the rift between the monsignor and NCCA/NHI. The priest may impose that Boora School of thought instead of the Venetian model...

Oh i see... if silver pokpok ilang giinsatall and in harmony with the retablo ok ra but marble.. it is just too far out. kanindot pa uwanan og bato aning mga pari-a oi. asa naman tong mga panels na ilang gitangtang? pang museum nalang tu or gisugnod or gidauban na?

Unsa may say ni cardinal ani?

I will answer all these questions after we meet about this. Magpacalma usa ko. This is making my blood sugar to rise beyond safe levels.

Oh i see... if silver pokpok ilang giinsatall and in harmony with the retablo ok ra but marble.. it is just too far out. kanindot pa uwanan og bato aning mga pari-a oi. asa naman tong mga panels na ilang gitangtang? pang museum nalang tu or gisugnod or gidauban na?

Unsa may say ni cardinal ani?

I will answer all these questions after we meet about this. Magpacalma usa ko. This is making my blood sugar to rise beyond safe levels.

The issue is quite complicated indeed. We'll just wait after your meetings AngKaraangaTawo. :okay:

@overtureph
@pinoy_ako

Dalaguete actually has a newly established parish-based heritage group, http://cebuheritage.com/2008/05/20/dalaguete-establishes-parish-heritage-group/.

But the issue is very complicated I guess. Even I myself have not fully grasped as to what really is the real score and as to who really is to be blamed. Let's wait for AngKaraangTawo, hehe.

The issue is quite complicated indeed. We'll just wait after your meetings AngKaraangaTawo. :okay:

@overtureph
@pinoy_ako

Dalaguete actually has a newly established parish-based heritage group, http://cebuheritage.com/2008/05/20/dalaguete-establishes-parish-heritage-group/.

But the issue is very complicated I guess. Even I myself have not fully grasped as to what really is the real score and as to who really is to be blamed. Let's wait for AngKaraangTawo, hehe.

The issue is quite complicated indeed. We'll just wait after your meetings AngKaraangaTawo. :okay:

@overtureph
@pinoy_ako

Dalaguete actually has a newly established parish-based heritage group, http://cebuheritage.com/2008/05/20/dalaguete-establishes-parish-heritage-group/.

But the issue is very complicated I guess. Even I myself have not fully grasped as to what really is the real score and as to who really is to be blamed. Let's wait for AngKaraangTawo, hehe.

Please forward these pictures to Ambeth Ocampo! Bahala na.:bash:

The issue is quite complicated indeed. We'll just wait after your meetings AngKaraangaTawo. :okay:

@overtureph
@pinoy_ako

Dalaguete actually has a newly established parish-based heritage group, http://cebuheritage.com/2008/05/20/dalaguete-establishes-parish-heritage-group/.

But the issue is very complicated I guess. Even I myself have not fully grasped as to what really is the real score and as to who really is to be blamed. Let's wait for AngKaraangTawo, hehe.

Please forward these pictures to Ambeth Ocampo! Bahala na.:bash:

^^ I just did. Will wait for his reply.

^^ I just did. Will wait for his reply.

bern, at least miag-ao was done beautifully and you wouldnt notice at all the alterations. at least the monsignor got taste.. when i was a bit younger, miag-ao church was nothing but a bat cave.. nothing expectacular except for the relieves of san cristobal on the facade, no kisame, very dark.. but when msgr. took over, voila with a beautiful church. The monsignor got taste. though the retablo (was it 4M php? hehe) was over gilded but it is beautiful.

whats happening to cebu churches is rediculous and baduy...

bern, at least miag-ao was done beautifully and you wouldnt notice at all the alterations. at least the monsignor got taste.. when i was a bit younger, miag-ao church was nothing but a bat cave.. nothing expectacular except for the relieves of san cristobal on the facade, no kisame, very dark.. but when msgr. took over, voila with a beautiful church. The monsignor got taste. though the retablo (was it 4M php? hehe) was over gilded but it is beautiful.

whats happening to cebu churches is rediculous and baduy...

^^

Speaking of baduy, a classic example is St. Therese of Avila Church in Talisay City.

Here, http://www.flickr.com/photos/wikitoy/2820521221/

^^

Speaking of baduy, a classic example is St. Therese of Avila Church in Talisay City.

Here, http://www.flickr.com/photos/wikitoy/2820521221/

National Museum team reports
significant find in Plaza grounds
By Rene H. Martel

THE Chinese did it, so did the Kayan or Karen tribes in neighboring Burma and Thailand.

Now we know that the Filipinos, specifically the Cebuanos of old, also did it.

In a significant archaeological find at the 1.7-hectare Plaza Independencia grounds, a “reformed cranium” was unearthed by a National Museum of the Philippines archaeological team working alongside workers building the tunnel section of the South Coastal Road.

The discovery of the skull, aside from several pieces of Southeast Asian wares that show a flourishing pre-Spanish trade, was also considered a rare find because it was the third time that a gold burial mask was discovered.

Exhibit
The skull, currently among the pieces in an exhibit at the Fort San Pedro, showed a head “flattened” on the forehead, back and sides.

Corazon Alvina, National Museum director, said is it done by placing wooden boards around the head during childhood and binding them with cloth.

“It is an indication of hierarchy in society; the manipulation of the body, in this case a reformed cranium, showing there was already a social system during the pre-Spanish period,” she said.

Women of the Karen tribes in Burma, who migrated to Thailand, use brass coils placed around the neck to elongate it.

On the other hand, the practice of foot-binding, which began in the 10th century and ended in the early 20th century, was practiced in China for women to have the desired “lotus foot.”

But it was unheard of, at least in Cebu, that conscious body part deformation was practiced.

“It is a mark of high station,” said Nida Cuevas, head of the archaeological team.

Aside from the head, the archaeologists also discovered broken 14th to 15th century Thai, Vietnamese, and Chinese wares that show that there was already a “dynamic” trading between the Filipinos and their Southeast Asian neighbors.

Cuevas said the artifacts, including the burial mask, were found along the breadth of the tunnel being constructed.

Tiring
She and Alvina thanked the Department of Public Works and Highways for funding their diggings and Kajima Corp. for cooperating.

Cuevas said it was a tiring task, particularly because they have to be at the side of the backhoe operator guiding him not simply to excavate the soil but to scrape it off slowly.

She and Alvina admitted that there were lootings before the National Museum stepped in, with Kajima firing the original set of workers after learning about the thievery.

The artifacts unearthed from Plaza Independencia are on display at the Fort San Pedro.

Cuevas said what were displayed in yesterday’s opening ceremony were not the total haul. She said they lack space and the others were in small pieces.

National Museum team reports
significant find in Plaza grounds
By Rene H. Martel

THE Chinese did it, so did the Kayan or Karen tribes in neighboring Burma and Thailand.

Now we know that the Filipinos, specifically the Cebuanos of old, also did it.

In a significant archaeological find at the 1.7-hectare Plaza Independencia grounds, a “reformed cranium” was unearthed by a National Museum of the Philippines archaeological team working alongside workers building the tunnel section of the South Coastal Road.

The discovery of the skull, aside from several pieces of Southeast Asian wares that show a flourishing pre-Spanish trade, was also considered a rare find because it was the third time that a gold burial mask was discovered.

Exhibit
The skull, currently among the pieces in an exhibit at the Fort San Pedro, showed a head “flattened” on the forehead, back and sides.

Corazon Alvina, National Museum director, said is it done by placing wooden boards around the head during childhood and binding them with cloth.

“It is an indication of hierarchy in society; the manipulation of the body, in this case a reformed cranium, showing there was already a social system during the pre-Spanish period,” she said.

Women of the Karen tribes in Burma, who migrated to Thailand, use brass coils placed around the neck to elongate it.

On the other hand, the practice of foot-binding, which began in the 10th century and ended in the early 20th century, was practiced in China for women to have the desired “lotus foot.”

But it was unheard of, at least in Cebu, that conscious body part deformation was practiced.

“It is a mark of high station,” said Nida Cuevas, head of the archaeological team.

Aside from the head, the archaeologists also discovered broken 14th to 15th century Thai, Vietnamese, and Chinese wares that show that there was already a “dynamic” trading between the Filipinos and their Southeast Asian neighbors.

Cuevas said the artifacts, including the burial mask, were found along the breadth of the tunnel being constructed.

Tiring
She and Alvina thanked the Department of Public Works and Highways for funding their diggings and Kajima Corp. for cooperating.

Cuevas said it was a tiring task, particularly because they have to be at the side of the backhoe operator guiding him not simply to excavate the soil but to scrape it off slowly.

She and Alvina admitted that there were lootings before the National Museum stepped in, with Kajima firing the original set of workers after learning about the thievery.

The artifacts unearthed from Plaza Independencia are on display at the Fort San Pedro.

Cuevas said what were displayed in yesterday’s opening ceremony were not the total haul. She said they lack space and the others were in small pieces.

National Museum team reports
significant find in Plaza grounds
By Rene H. Martel

THE Chinese did it, so did the Kayan or Karen tribes in neighboring Burma and Thailand.

Now we know that the Filipinos, specifically the Cebuanos of old, also did it.

In a significant archaeological find at the 1.7-hectare Plaza Independencia grounds, a “reformed cranium” was unearthed by a National Museum of the Philippines archaeological team working alongside workers building the tunnel section of the South Coastal Road.

The discovery of the skull, aside from several pieces of Southeast Asian wares that show a flourishing pre-Spanish trade, was also considered a rare find because it was the third time that a gold burial mask was discovered.

Exhibit
The skull, currently among the pieces in an exhibit at the Fort San Pedro, showed a head “flattened” on the forehead, back and sides.

Corazon Alvina, National Museum director, said is it done by placing wooden boards around the head during childhood and binding them with cloth.

“It is an indication of hierarchy in society; the manipulation of the body, in this case a reformed cranium, showing there was already a social system during the pre-Spanish period,” she said.

Women of the Karen tribes in Burma, who migrated to Thailand, use brass coils placed around the neck to elongate it.

On the other hand, the practice of foot-binding, which began in the 10th century and ended in the early 20th century, was practiced in China for women to have the desired “lotus foot.”

But it was unheard of, at least in Cebu, that conscious body part deformation was practiced.

“It is a mark of high station,” said Nida Cuevas, head of the archaeological team.

Aside from the head, the archaeologists also discovered broken 14th to 15th century Thai, Vietnamese, and Chinese wares that show that there was already a “dynamic” trading between the Filipinos and their Southeast Asian neighbors.

Cuevas said the artifacts, including the burial mask, were found along the breadth of the tunnel being constructed.

Tiring
She and Alvina thanked the Department of Public Works and Highways for funding their diggings and Kajima Corp. for cooperating.

Cuevas said it was a tiring task, particularly because they have to be at the side of the backhoe operator guiding him not simply to excavate the soil but to scrape it off slowly.

She and Alvina admitted that there were lootings before the National Museum stepped in, with Kajima firing the original set of workers after learning about the thievery.

The artifacts unearthed from Plaza Independencia are on display at the Fort San Pedro.

Cuevas said what were displayed in yesterday’s opening ceremony were not the total haul. She said they lack space and the others were in small pieces.



Cuevas failed to mention the fact that if I had not made noise, NM would not have anything to exhibit at all. oh well...never mind!



But the flattened skulls? didn't the author of this article have the decency to inquire at USC? we have lots of flattened skulls from other sites all over Cebu excavated in the 1960s and early 70s. even the Boljoon site last year had one cranium that was artificially deformed. reformed is not the correct word!
faet!

National Museum team reports
significant find in Plaza grounds
By Rene H. Martel

THE Chinese did it, so did the Kayan or Karen tribes in neighboring Burma and Thailand.

Now we know that the Filipinos, specifically the Cebuanos of old, also did it.

In a significant archaeological find at the 1.7-hectare Plaza Independencia grounds, a “reformed cranium” was unearthed by a National Museum of the Philippines archaeological team working alongside workers building the tunnel section of the South Coastal Road.

The discovery of the skull, aside from several pieces of Southeast Asian wares that show a flourishing pre-Spanish trade, was also considered a rare find because it was the third time that a gold burial mask was discovered.

Exhibit
The skull, currently among the pieces in an exhibit at the Fort San Pedro, showed a head “flattened” on the forehead, back and sides.

Corazon Alvina, National Museum director, said is it done by placing wooden boards around the head during childhood and binding them with cloth.

“It is an indication of hierarchy in society; the manipulation of the body, in this case a reformed cranium, showing there was already a social system during the pre-Spanish period,” she said.

Women of the Karen tribes in Burma, who migrated to Thailand, use brass coils placed around the neck to elongate it.

On the other hand, the practice of foot-binding, which began in the 10th century and ended in the early 20th century, was practiced in China for women to have the desired “lotus foot.”

But it was unheard of, at least in Cebu, that conscious body part deformation was practiced.

“It is a mark of high station,” said Nida Cuevas, head of the archaeological team.

Aside from the head, the archaeologists also discovered broken 14th to 15th century Thai, Vietnamese, and Chinese wares that show that there was already a “dynamic” trading between the Filipinos and their Southeast Asian neighbors.

Cuevas said the artifacts, including the burial mask, were found along the breadth of the tunnel being constructed.

Tiring
She and Alvina thanked the Department of Public Works and Highways for funding their diggings and Kajima Corp. for cooperating.

Cuevas said it was a tiring task, particularly because they have to be at the side of the backhoe operator guiding him not simply to excavate the soil but to scrape it off slowly.

She and Alvina admitted that there were lootings before the National Museum stepped in, with Kajima firing the original set of workers after learning about the thievery.

The artifacts unearthed from Plaza Independencia are on display at the Fort San Pedro.

Cuevas said what were displayed in yesterday’s opening ceremony were not the total haul. She said they lack space and the others were in small pieces.



Cuevas failed to mention the fact that if I had not made noise, NM would not have anything to exhibit at all. oh well...never mind!



But the flattened skulls? didn't the author of this article have the decency to inquire at USC? we have lots of flattened skulls from other sites all over Cebu excavated in the 1960s and early 70s. even the Boljoon site last year had one cranium that was artificially deformed. reformed is not the correct word!
faet!

^^

And no mention of the Gold burial mask, the first ever to be dug in Cebu.. That should have been the focus of the story kay mas interesting man ang gold mask, hehehe..

^^

And no mention of the Gold burial mask, the first ever to be dug in Cebu.. That should have been the focus of the story kay mas interesting man ang gold mask, hehehe..

Hmmm....does NHI/NCCA have a knowledge about this already? Because its part of the historical landmarks inscribed by NHI and may be bound to its rules in heritage preservation.


It was precisely three architects from NHI who came over to our excavation in Argao. They had just come from Dalaguete and were raising hell about the new marble altar in Dalaguete

They were there as part of my invitation for them to look at Museo Sugbo to plan their exhibition space. The following day, they requested a van from capitol to that they could visit possible sites for NHI marking next year. lo and behold! the dalaguete disaster appeared. upon their return to our site in argao, they told me the grim story and I was left with no choice but to call the archidiocesan authorities to sound the alarm.

Within ten minutes, ma'am loy alix had contacted msgr. carl pono and bishop lito cortes. bishop cortes in turn contacted the parish priest of dalaguete (msgr. tumulak) to ask for an explanation.

the explanation was that during a forum at USC, the monsignor had verbally asked the NHI historic sites chief if he could repair the steps on the altar. the NHI architect approved it, also verbally.

apparently more than the steps were altered...

long story from here on. Ang Karaang Tawo will hopefully continue this chronicle of events from here on kay Im still busy with excavations here in Argao.

Hmmm....does NHI/NCCA have a knowledge about this already? Because its part of the historical landmarks inscribed by NHI and may be bound to its rules in heritage preservation.


It was precisely three architects from NHI who came over to our excavation in Argao. They had just come from Dalaguete and were raising hell about the new marble altar in Dalaguete

They were there as part of my invitation for them to look at Museo Sugbo to plan their exhibition space. The following day, they requested a van from capitol to that they could visit possible sites for NHI marking next year. lo and behold! the dalaguete disaster appeared. upon their return to our site in argao, they told me the grim story and I was left with no choice but to call the archidiocesan authorities to sound the alarm.

Within ten minutes, ma'am loy alix had contacted msgr. carl pono and bishop lito cortes. bishop cortes in turn contacted the parish priest of dalaguete (msgr. tumulak) to ask for an explanation.

the explanation was that during a forum at USC, the monsignor had verbally asked the NHI historic sites chief if he could repair the steps on the altar. the NHI architect approved it, also verbally.

apparently more than the steps were altered...

long story from here on. Ang Karaang Tawo will hopefully continue this chronicle of events from here on kay Im still busy with excavations here in Argao.

There are no words in the English language to express my feelings about the Dalaguete church. I will have to quote the venerable Joberz: PAET!


intawn maluoy mo, ayaw intawn ko i-venerate :nuts:

There are no words in the English language to express my feelings about the Dalaguete church. I will have to quote the venerable Joberz: PAET!


intawn maluoy mo, ayaw intawn ko i-venerate :nuts:

kanag simbahan sa moalboal, nganong nakupog mana?

kanag simbahan sa moalboal, nganong nakupog mana?

^^

Speaking of baduy, a classic example is St. Therese of Avila Church in Talisay City.

Here, http://www.flickr.com/photos/wikitoy/2820521221/

shit kabadoy! wa gyuy hingpugong pagrenovate ani? asa naman ang heritage people sa Cebu oi....are they doing their job? :ohno: :ohno:

^^

Speaking of baduy, a classic example is St. Therese of Avila Church in Talisay City.

Here, http://www.flickr.com/photos/wikitoy/2820521221/

shit kabadoy! wa gyuy hingpugong pagrenovate ani? asa naman ang heritage people sa Cebu oi....are they doing their job? :ohno: :ohno:

since daghan na man na nakuykuyan na chinese ug vietnamese products, naa na pud bay nakit-an na mga 'cebuano products' sa plaza site?

since daghan na man na nakuykuyan na chinese ug vietnamese products, naa na pud bay nakit-an na mga 'cebuano products' sa plaza site?

Oh i see... if silver pokpok ilang giinsatall and in harmony with the retablo ok ra but marble.. it is just too far out. kanindot pa uwanan og bato aning mga pari-a oi. asa naman tong mga panels na ilang gitangtang? pang museum nalang tu or gisugnod or gidauban na?

Unsa may say ni cardinal ani?

Oh, God, don't ask me about that. That's another degree rise in my blood sugar level!

Oh i see... if silver pokpok ilang giinsatall and in harmony with the retablo ok ra but marble.. it is just too far out. kanindot pa uwanan og bato aning mga pari-a oi. asa naman tong mga panels na ilang gitangtang? pang museum nalang tu or gisugnod or gidauban na?

Unsa may say ni cardinal ani?

Oh, God, don't ask me about that. That's another degree rise in my blood sugar level!

^^

Speaking of baduy, a classic example is St. Therese of Avila Church in Talisay City.

Here, http://www.flickr.com/photos/wikitoy/2820521221/

Has anybody taken the cudgels or at least lamented the state of the gothic American- era Mabolo church?! The churches in Cebu will all be bastardized by these priests.

^^

Speaking of baduy, a classic example is St. Therese of Avila Church in Talisay City.

Here, http://www.flickr.com/photos/wikitoy/2820521221/

Has anybody taken the cudgels or at least lamented the state of the gothic American- era Mabolo church?! The churches in Cebu will all be bastardized by these priests.

kanag simbahan sa moalboal, nganong nakupog mana?

The Moalboal church was declared unsafe because the builders used unwashed sand from the beaches of Moalboal. The salt corroded the cabillas inside - so the walls cracked all over!

kanag simbahan sa moalboal, nganong nakupog mana?

The Moalboal church was declared unsafe because the builders used unwashed sand from the beaches of Moalboal. The salt corroded the cabillas inside - so the walls cracked all over!

Cuevas failed to mention the fact that if I had not made noise, NM would not have anything to exhibit at all. oh well...never mind!



But the flattened skulls? didn't the author of this article have the decency to inquire at USC? we have lots of flattened skulls from other sites all over Cebu excavated in the 1960s and early 70s. even the Boljoon site last year had one cranium that was artificially deformed. reformed is not the correct word!
faet!

That's because YOU WERE NOT AROUND during the exhibit and press con! They had a field day Jo! No mention gyud of your part in the work, pastilan, hasta Nat'l Museum afflicted with the "disease."

Cuevas failed to mention the fact that if I had not made noise, NM would not have anything to exhibit at all. oh well...never mind!



But the flattened skulls? didn't the author of this article have the decency to inquire at USC? we have lots of flattened skulls from other sites all over Cebu excavated in the 1960s and early 70s. even the Boljoon site last year had one cranium that was artificially deformed. reformed is not the correct word!
faet!

That's because YOU WERE NOT AROUND during the exhibit and press con! They had a field day Jo! No mention gyud of your part in the work, pastilan, hasta Nat'l Museum afflicted with the "disease."

i was at the press con. i fielded the difficult questions for Ms. Corazon Alvina, National Museum director. i was irritated coz it sounded like a pr stunt at first with the reporter from abs-cbn (who obviously doesn't have any background on archeology like most of her colleagues in the media) interviewing the director in front of the camera.

Me and Natalie Tomada (whose mother studied anthropology at Silliman) of The Freeman kinda wiped out the smile from Alvina's face when we asked her pointblank of the looting and why there wasn't a single find without a crack in it if NM archaeologists were indeed around while the project was going on. I asked what took the NM so long to act on the uninterrupted treasure hunting going on in the tunnel construction site.

she said they did an archaeological dig in 2006, and recently, side by side backhoes smashing 14th and 15th century thai, vietnamese and chinese porcelains. she didnt admit to the looting at first. it was USC's Nida Cuevas who revealed to the media that kajima fired all the workers suspected of involvement in the looting, unwittingly confirming there indeed was looting.

this is cebu's heritage. cebu scholars should be empowered to protect our heritage especially precious archeological sites and finds instead of waiting for the NM to take action.

the exhibit leaves more questions unanswered and raises new ones. what do they take us for?

i was at the press con. i fielded the difficult questions for Ms. Corazon Alvina, National Museum director. i was irritated coz it sounded like a pr stunt at first with the reporter from abs-cbn (who obviously doesn't have any background on archeology like most of her colleagues in the media) interviewing the director in front of the camera.

Me and Natalie Tomada (whose mother studied anthropology at Silliman) of The Freeman kinda wiped out the smile from Alvina's face when we asked her pointblank of the looting and why there wasn't a single find without a crack in it if NM archaeologists were indeed around while the project was going on. I asked what took the NM so long to act on the uninterrupted treasure hunting going on in the tunnel construction site.

she said they did an archaeological dig in 2006, and recently, side by side backhoes smashing 14th and 15th century thai, vietnamese and chinese porcelains. she didnt admit to the looting at first. it was USC's Nida Cuevas who revealed to the media that kajima fired all the workers suspected of involvement in the looting, unwittingly confirming there indeed was looting.

this is cebu's heritage. cebu scholars should be empowered to protect our heritage especially precious archeological sites and finds instead of waiting for the NM to take action.

the exhibit leaves more questions unanswered and raises new ones. what do they take us for?

That's because YOU WERE NOT AROUND during the exhibit and press con! They had a field day Jo! No mention gyud of your part in the work, pastilan, hasta Nat'l Museum afflicted with the "disease."


haha..it's alright. history is on our side. my columns about the plaza, after all, preceded the presscon. if anyone in a hundred years or two will look at what happened to the plaza, they will know who forced NM to face the reality of looting under their noses!


besides, pages 22 to 24 of this forum clearly show who was on the site when the bakchoes started working excavating artifacts.


the argao excavations could not wait. i had to be here. i like it here in the towns (despite the golden retablo a la buddhistic temple!)...less hectic and life. pabandying-badying lang gamay hahahaaha.

That's because YOU WERE NOT AROUND during the exhibit and press con! They had a field day Jo! No mention gyud of your part in the work, pastilan, hasta Nat'l Museum afflicted with the "disease."


haha..it's alright. history is on our side. my columns about the plaza, after all, preceded the presscon. if anyone in a hundred years or two will look at what happened to the plaza, they will know who forced NM to face the reality of looting under their noses!


besides, pages 22 to 24 of this forum clearly show who was on the site when the bakchoes started working excavating artifacts.


the argao excavations could not wait. i had to be here. i like it here in the towns (despite the golden retablo a la buddhistic temple!)...less hectic and life. pabandying-badying lang gamay hahahaaha.

since daghan na man na nakuykuyan na chinese ug vietnamese products, naa na pud bay nakit-an na mga 'cebuano products' sa plaza site?


there were two plain earthenware pots that were recovered. there was also a fragment of earthenware (a horse's head) with ceramic inlays as decoration.

that is clearly 16th century local earthenware appliqued with tradeware ceramics.

since daghan na man na nakuykuyan na chinese ug vietnamese products, naa na pud bay nakit-an na mga 'cebuano products' sa plaza site?


there were two plain earthenware pots that were recovered. there was also a fragment of earthenware (a horse's head) with ceramic inlays as decoration.

that is clearly 16th century local earthenware appliqued with tradeware ceramics.

Prof. Ambeth Ocampo replied through the e-mail I sent:

aocampo@ateneo.edu

Thank you for the report.
Have forwarded this to the NHI for their appropriate action.
Will also forward to the National Museum and the NCCA

-ambeth

Prof. Ambeth Ocampo replied through the e-mail I sent:

aocampo@ateneo.edu

Thank you for the report.
Have forwarded this to the NHI for their appropriate action.
Will also forward to the National Museum and the NCCA

-ambeth

haha..it's alright. history is on our side. my columns about the plaza, after all, preceded the presscon. if anyone in a hundred years or two will look at what happened to the plaza, they will know who forced NM to face the reality of looting under their noses!


besides, pages 22 to 24 of this forum clearly show who was on the site when the bakchoes started working excavating artifacts.


the argao excavations could not wait. i had to be here. i like it here in the towns (despite the golden retablo a la buddhistic temple!)...less hectic and life. pabandying-badying lang gamay hahahaaha.

I totally agree and deep inside we all know that credit should be given where it rightfully belongs.... humility becomes a factor here...

Maybe that's why we are all using our aliases in this thread.... humble enough
even if those "credits" were "debited" by the others...ha ha ha, and maybe that's why I proclaimed myself as a heritage conservation advocate ... in my own small ways.. and yet sometimes my BP goes up if I hear or read those
lootings, the Dalaguete church...etc.

Sometimes I think that I am that very small pebble in the beach... trying to
do something good for heritage and yet ....(walang magawa?)

Take this for example, I tried convincing all the friends I could think of just to
make a recommendation that there should be a representative from the academe/scholars in Cebu City's CHAC ( two members of which are confirmed collectors)... and what did I get? Sorry, but these members can donate
millions from their own pockets while those from the academe simply cannot!
(expect a donation to clean-up the Parian Heritage monument very soon)...

My latest info is pretty much disturbing, not only a lady member from CHAC bought some items coming from the Plaza but also a well-known collector who has contacts with almost all the levels in Cebu society including the City Hall, the church, the Tourism office - also bought some relics!

Karma sometimes come back in strange ways, his house got burned some years back before the Sinulog, many of his collections were lost, and yet ... business as usual in the antique business. Sometimes lessons need to be
learned the hard way... (no offense to his friends in this thread but I need
to say this).

Sometimes I think that there can be no lootings if there are no collectors.
Sometimes too I would like to think that the heritage advocates' natural
enemies are the collectors. I pray that somehow there will be a balance
between the two...

haha..it's alright. history is on our side. my columns about the plaza, after all, preceded the presscon. if anyone in a hundred years or two will look at what happened to the plaza, they will know who forced NM to face the reality of looting under their noses!


besides, pages 22 to 24 of this forum clearly show who was on the site when the bakchoes started working excavating artifacts.


the argao excavations could not wait. i had to be here. i like it here in the towns (despite the golden retablo a la buddhistic temple!)...less hectic and life. pabandying-badying lang gamay hahahaaha.

I totally agree and deep inside we all know that credit should be given where it rightfully belongs.... humility becomes a factor here...

Maybe that's why we are all using our aliases in this thread.... humble enough
even if those "credits" were "debited" by the others...ha ha ha, and maybe that's why I proclaimed myself as a heritage conservation advocate ... in my own small ways.. and yet sometimes my BP goes up if I hear or read those
lootings, the Dalaguete church...etc.

Sometimes I think that I am that very small pebble in the beach... trying to
do something good for heritage and yet ....(walang magawa?)

Take this for example, I tried convincing all the friends I could think of just to
make a recommendation that there should be a representative from the academe/scholars in Cebu City's CHAC ( two members of which are confirmed collectors)... and what did I get? Sorry, but these members can donate
millions from their own pockets while those from the academe simply cannot!
(expect a donation to clean-up the Parian Heritage monument very soon)...

My latest info is pretty much disturbing, not only a lady member from CHAC bought some items coming from the Plaza but also a well-known collector who has contacts with almost all the levels in Cebu society including the City Hall, the church, the Tourism office - also bought some relics!

Karma sometimes come back in strange ways, his house got burned some years back before the Sinulog, many of his collections were lost, and yet ... business as usual in the antique business. Sometimes lessons need to be
learned the hard way... (no offense to his friends in this thread but I need
to say this).

Sometimes I think that there can be no lootings if there are no collectors.
Sometimes too I would like to think that the heritage advocates' natural
enemies are the collectors. I pray that somehow there will be a balance
between the two...

The Moalboal church was declared unsafe because the builders used unwashed sand from the beaches of Moalboal. The salt corroded the cabillas inside - so the walls cracked all over!

arent they going to adaptively re use the facade to rebuild another chucrch? anyway, naay pay daghan old churches na wa pa ma bastardize, basin ganahan pa ning mga paring way lingaw na mangguba..

The Moalboal church was declared unsafe because the builders used unwashed sand from the beaches of Moalboal. The salt corroded the cabillas inside - so the walls cracked all over!

arent they going to adaptively re use the facade to rebuild another chucrch? anyway, naay pay daghan old churches na wa pa ma bastardize, basin ganahan pa ning mga paring way lingaw na mangguba..

Prof. Ambeth Ocampo replied through the e-mail I sent:

Please ask Ambeth Ocampo if we can ask for updates about this matter.

Prof. Ambeth Ocampo replied through the e-mail I sent:

Please ask Ambeth Ocampo if we can ask for updates about this matter.

Mao nga ang paglihok sa Pederasyon kinahanglan na gayud

Bino, please think of names for the proposed Federation. I think that will be one of the things to be discussed during the first meeting.

Mao nga ang paglihok sa Pederasyon kinahanglan na gayud

Bino, please think of names for the proposed Federation. I think that will be one of the things to be discussed during the first meeting.

I totally agree and deep inside we all know that credit should be given where it rightfully belongs.... humility becomes a factor here...

Maybe that's why we are all using our aliases in this thread.... humble enough
even if those "credits" were "debited" by the others...ha ha ha, and maybe that's why I proclaimed myself as a heritage conservation advocate ... in my own small ways.. and yet sometimes my BP goes up if I hear or read those
lootings, the Dalaguete church...etc.

Sometimes I think that I am that very small pebble in the beach... trying to
do something good for heritage and yet ....(walang magawa?)

Take this for example, I tried convincing all the friends I could think of just to
make a recommendation that there should be a representative from the academe/scholars in Cebu City's CHAC ( two members of which are confirmed collectors)... and what did I get? Sorry, but these members can donate
millions from their own pockets while those from the academe simply cannot!
(expect a donation to clean-up the Parian Heritage monument very soon)...

My latest info is pretty much disturbing, not only a lady member from CHAC bought some items coming from the Plaza but also a well-known collector who has contacts with almost all the levels in Cebu society including the City Hall, the church, the Tourism office - also bought some relics!

Karma sometimes come back in strange ways, his house got burned some years back before the Sinulog, many of his collections were lost, and yet ... business as usual in the antique business. Sometimes lessons need to be
learned the hard way... (no offense to his friends in this thread but I need
to say this).

Sometimes I think that there can be no lootings if there are no collectors.
Sometimes too I would like to think that the heritage advocates' natural
enemies are the collectors. I pray that somehow there will be a balance
between the two...

Ang nakapabukal og maayo sa akong dugo, kay katong looting sa Plaza...Hahay

I totally agree and deep inside we all know that credit should be given where it rightfully belongs.... humility becomes a factor here...

Maybe that's why we are all using our aliases in this thread.... humble enough
even if those "credits" were "debited" by the others...ha ha ha, and maybe that's why I proclaimed myself as a heritage conservation advocate ... in my own small ways.. and yet sometimes my BP goes up if I hear or read those
lootings, the Dalaguete church...etc.

Sometimes I think that I am that very small pebble in the beach... trying to
do something good for heritage and yet ....(walang magawa?)

Take this for example, I tried convincing all the friends I could think of just to
make a recommendation that there should be a representative from the academe/scholars in Cebu City's CHAC ( two members of which are confirmed collectors)... and what did I get? Sorry, but these members can donate
millions from their own pockets while those from the academe simply cannot!
(expect a donation to clean-up the Parian Heritage monument very soon)...

My latest info is pretty much disturbing, not only a lady member from CHAC bought some items coming from the Plaza but also a well-known collector who has contacts with almost all the levels in Cebu society including the City Hall, the church, the Tourism office - also bought some relics!

Karma sometimes come back in strange ways, his house got burned some years back before the Sinulog, many of his collections were lost, and yet ... business as usual in the antique business. Sometimes lessons need to be
learned the hard way... (no offense to his friends in this thread but I need
to say this).

Sometimes I think that there can be no lootings if there are no collectors.
Sometimes too I would like to think that the heritage advocates' natural
enemies are the collectors. I pray that somehow there will be a balance
between the two...

Ang nakapabukal og maayo sa akong dugo, kay katong looting sa Plaza...Hahay

haha..it's alright. history is on our side. my columns about the plaza, after all, preceded the presscon. if anyone in a hundred years or two will look at what happened to the plaza, they will know who forced NM to face the reality of looting under their noses!

.

humility is a virtue, so they say. Pero why wait for hundred years or two before you get the credit. Basin khinanglan nasad ug another archaelogist to dig up the records.:) Bitaw Joe this reminds me of the fable of the chicken and the chicks - who will help me plow the fields, not I say the cat, not I say the pig, and so on till the part who will stay with us to eat the bread... So many are eating the bread. Pa-intrigaha ko ug gamay, crumbs lang ba diay...

haha..it's alright. history is on our side. my columns about the plaza, after all, preceded the presscon. if anyone in a hundred years or two will look at what happened to the plaza, they will know who forced NM to face the reality of looting under their noses!

.

humility is a virtue, so they say. Pero why wait for hundred years or two before you get the credit. Basin khinanglan nasad ug another archaelogist to dig up the records.:) Bitaw Joe this reminds me of the fable of the chicken and the chicks - who will help me plow the fields, not I say the cat, not I say the pig, and so on till the part who will stay with us to eat the bread... So many are eating the bread. Pa-intrigaha ko ug gamay, crumbs lang ba diay...

humility is a virtue, so they say. Pero why wait for hundred years or two before you get the credit. Basin khinanglan nasad ug another archaelogist to dig up the records.:) Bitaw Joe this reminds me of the fable of the chicken and the chicks - who will help me plow the fields, not I say the cat, not I say the pig, and so on till the part who will stay with us to eat the bread... So many are eating the bread. Pa-intrigaha ko ug gamay, crumbs lang ba diay...


Actually, if there is credit that should go where it is due, I would nominate SanValente for really ringing the alarm bells on the plaza.

I had sort of forgotten na lang about the monitoring kay sige na ko tawag sa NM mangayo og deputization papers to no avail.

When SanValente posted on this thread about the selling of artifacts, didto na ko nakasiguro nga tinuod na jud diay ang pangawatay.

humility is a virtue, so they say. Pero why wait for hundred years or two before you get the credit. Basin khinanglan nasad ug another archaelogist to dig up the records.:) Bitaw Joe this reminds me of the fable of the chicken and the chicks - who will help me plow the fields, not I say the cat, not I say the pig, and so on till the part who will stay with us to eat the bread... So many are eating the bread. Pa-intrigaha ko ug gamay, crumbs lang ba diay...


Actually, if there is credit that should go where it is due, I would nominate SanValente for really ringing the alarm bells on the plaza.

I had sort of forgotten na lang about the monitoring kay sige na ko tawag sa NM mangayo og deputization papers to no avail.

When SanValente posted on this thread about the selling of artifacts, didto na ko nakasiguro nga tinuod na jud diay ang pangawatay.

Take this for example, I tried convincing all the friends I could think of just to
make a recommendation that there should be a representative from the academe/scholars in Cebu City's CHAC ( two members of which are confirmed collectors)... and what did I get? Sorry, but these members can donate
millions from their own pockets while those from the academe simply cannot!
(expect a donation to clean-up the Parian Heritage monument very soon)...



Faet. Mao ra jud na ako ikasulti. Bantay lang na sila kung naay usa nato makadaug sa lotto!



My latest info is pretty much disturbing, not only a lady member from CHAC bought some items coming from the Plaza but also a well-known collector who has contacts with almost all the levels in Cebu society including the City Hall, the church, the Tourism office - also bought some relics!

Karma sometimes come back in strange ways, his house got burned some years back before the Sinulog, many of his collections were lost, and yet ... business as usual in the antique business. Sometimes lessons need to be
learned the hard way... (no offense to his friends in this thread but I need
to say this).




Santa Maria madre de Dios! Are you referring to the one who owns a Parian structure that is being pruported as a 17th century ancestral house?

If so, pagkapait nga sya pang ang lead role sa heritage advocacy federation nga gitukod. I hope dili ni sya ang imo gi-refer. But if siya gyud diay na, then I will withdraw my membership from the planned federation as a form of vehment and outright protest!

Someone like Ka Bino should also confront him if tinuod nga siya jud diay! AS a heritage advocate, he should have alerted us to the looting instead of buying the loot himself!!!

There should be no bottom-feeding looters and illicit antique traders among heritage advocates! The two are simply incompatible!



Sometimes I think that there can be no lootings if there are no collectors.
Sometimes too I would like to think that the heritage advocates' natural
enemies are the collectors. I pray that somehow there will be a balance
between the two...


Exactly! In book after book about the illicit trade in antiquities, the problem is always traced to the exitence of buyers and middlemen who sell these.

If I may add, one of our excavation laborers here in Argao told us that the white-haired buyer the man described by SanValente in other posts here, actually told the workers at the Plaza that he represented the Cathedral Museum and was buying the loot on the museum's behalf!

Is this white-haired man the buyer of the guy who pretends to be a heritage advocate but has in fact colluded in the looting of the Plaza?

Heaven, have mercy on us all!!!!

Take this for example, I tried convincing all the friends I could think of just to
make a recommendation that there should be a representative from the academe/scholars in Cebu City's CHAC ( two members of which are confirmed collectors)... and what did I get? Sorry, but these members can donate
millions from their own pockets while those from the academe simply cannot!
(expect a donation to clean-up the Parian Heritage monument very soon)...



Faet. Mao ra jud na ako ikasulti. Bantay lang na sila kung naay usa nato makadaug sa lotto!



My latest info is pretty much disturbing, not only a lady member from CHAC bought some items coming from the Plaza but also a well-known collector who has contacts with almost all the levels in Cebu society including the City Hall, the church, the Tourism office - also bought some relics!

Karma sometimes come back in strange ways, his house got burned some years back before the Sinulog, many of his collections were lost, and yet ... business as usual in the antique business. Sometimes lessons need to be
learned the hard way... (no offense to his friends in this thread but I need
to say this).




Santa Maria madre de Dios! Are you referring to the one who owns a Parian structure that is being pruported as a 17th century ancestral house?

If so, pagkapait nga sya pang ang lead role sa heritage advocacy federation nga gitukod. I hope dili ni sya ang imo gi-refer. But if siya gyud diay na, then I will withdraw my membership from the planned federation as a form of vehment and outright protest!

Someone like Ka Bino should also confront him if tinuod nga siya jud diay! AS a heritage advocate, he should have alerted us to the looting instead of buying the loot himself!!!

There should be no bottom-feeding looters and illicit antique traders among heritage advocates! The two are simply incompatible!



Sometimes I think that there can be no lootings if there are no collectors.
Sometimes too I would like to think that the heritage advocates' natural
enemies are the collectors. I pray that somehow there will be a balance
between the two...


Exactly! In book after book about the illicit trade in antiquities, the problem is always traced to the exitence of buyers and middlemen who sell these.

If I may add, one of our excavation laborers here in Argao told us that the white-haired buyer the man described by SanValente in other posts here, actually told the workers at the Plaza that he represented the Cathedral Museum and was buying the loot on the museum's behalf!

Is this white-haired man the buyer of the guy who pretends to be a heritage advocate but has in fact colluded in the looting of the Plaza?

Heaven, have mercy on us all!!!!

Bino, please think of names for the proposed Federation. I think that will be one of the things to be discussed during the first meeting.


I think the first thing for the federation is to cleanse it of pretenders, people who speak the voice of heritage but do more damage to our past. It is time for these people to do an act of contrition first before they are accepted into the federation...

...or else the Emperor really has no clothes after alL!

:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

Bino, please think of names for the proposed Federation. I think that will be one of the things to be discussed during the first meeting.


I think the first thing for the federation is to cleanse it of pretenders, people who speak the voice of heritage but do more damage to our past. It is time for these people to do an act of contrition first before they are accepted into the federation...

...or else the Emperor really has no clothes after alL!

:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

^^

Hehehe..


Anyway, here's Mabolo Church

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cleevillasor/2253686405/

^^

Hehehe..


Anyway, here's Mabolo Church

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cleevillasor/2253686405/

^^

Hehehe..


Anyway, here's Mabolo Church

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cleevillasor/2253686405/

kung wala ko masayop, kanang mabolo church kaduha na kana mag-expand. una niadtong panahon ni msgr. pono, nga mao karon ang chairperson sa archdiocesan commission on cultural heritage ... kanang latest addition, project na ni msgr. kintanar. ug kung wa pod ko nasayop si msgr. kintanar gikan sa guadalupe ... paghuman sa ilang terms kining duha nag-ilis ra na sa ilang pwesto ... no comment na ko ana ... hahahaha

^^

Hehehe..


Anyway, here's Mabolo Church

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cleevillasor/2253686405/

kung wala ko masayop, kanang mabolo church kaduha na kana mag-expand. una niadtong panahon ni msgr. pono, nga mao karon ang chairperson sa archdiocesan commission on cultural heritage ... kanang latest addition, project na ni msgr. kintanar. ug kung wa pod ko nasayop si msgr. kintanar gikan sa guadalupe ... paghuman sa ilang terms kining duha nag-ilis ra na sa ilang pwesto ... no comment na ko ana ... hahahaha

I think the first thing for the federation is to cleanse it of pretenders, people who speak the voice of heritage but do more damage to our past. It is time for these people to do an act of contrition first before they are accepted into the federation...

...or else the Emperor really has no clothes after alL!

:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:


Good Item for the Contitution and By Laws of the Federation..

I think the first thing for the federation is to cleanse it of pretenders, people who speak the voice of heritage but do more damage to our past. It is time for these people to do an act of contrition first before they are accepted into the federation...

...or else the Emperor really has no clothes after alL!

:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:


Good Item for the Contitution and By Laws of the Federation..

^^
hehe.. who is the emperor?

magkatawa pud ko anang church sa mabolo. napuno nalang tawon og monumento sa mga santos sa atubangan, arent the shrines inside the church dedicated to the saints enough? hasta ang kampana naay monumento.. the grotto looks good though..

IMO, expanding a church is ok (after all the community is growing, living church man kaha ta) as long as it blends with the orignal architecture which is not considered in mabolo and in talisay for that matter. many churches were torn down to give way to a bigger one like the st. peter's basilica for example.. but it should be replaced by an equally or even more beautiful structure.

^^
hehe.. who is the emperor?

magkatawa pud ko anang church sa mabolo. napuno nalang tawon og monumento sa mga santos sa atubangan, arent the shrines inside the church dedicated to the saints enough? hasta ang kampana naay monumento.. the grotto looks good though..

IMO, expanding a church is ok (after all the community is growing, living church man kaha ta) as long as it blends with the orignal architecture which is not considered in mabolo and in talisay for that matter. many churches were torn down to give way to a bigger one like the st. peter's basilica for example.. but it should be replaced by an equally or even more beautiful structure.

I think the first thing for the federation is to cleanse it of pretenders, people who speak the voice of heritage but do more damage to our past. It is time for these people to do an act of contrition first before they are accepted into the federation...

...or else the Emperor really has no clothes after alL!

:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:


I have been waiting for this issue to be brought up for such a long time.. and finally its here right in our very face not unless this would be ignored (or our attentions diverted).. i had an exchange of correspondence between an on-line friend then whose collections i admire so much.. most of his collections came from cebu-bohol area.. he admits the bitter fact that antique trade is more than half of it - theft trade. IMO buying anitques is one way of wrecking heritage. we destroy a family's heritage by offering them a tempting sum in exchange for their heirloom santos etc. We destroy church heritage by buying cherubs, candelabras and benches in which obviously comes from an old church. and so on... as much as i love these antique pieces but never did i own one (except for some which comes from within the family) mainly bec. i cant afford and if i can, i'll never buy (i was planning but now have changed my mind hehe). I thought then I would be a heritage rescuer if i'll buy these pieces but realized that having an old tabernacle in a house doesnt make sense not unless my house is an ecclesiastical museum. If antique trade ends (illegalized for that matter.) then the looting stops.:cheers:

I think the first thing for the federation is to cleanse it of pretenders, people who speak the voice of heritage but do more damage to our past. It is time for these people to do an act of contrition first before they are accepted into the federation...

...or else the Emperor really has no clothes after alL!

:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:


I have been waiting for this issue to be brought up for such a long time.. and finally its here right in our very face not unless this would be ignored (or our attentions diverted).. i had an exchange of correspondence between an on-line friend then whose collections i admire so much.. most of his collections came from cebu-bohol area.. he admits the bitter fact that antique trade is more than half of it - theft trade. IMO buying anitques is one way of wrecking heritage. we destroy a family's heritage by offering them a tempting sum in exchange for their heirloom santos etc. We destroy church heritage by buying cherubs, candelabras and benches in which obviously comes from an old church. and so on... as much as i love these antique pieces but never did i own one (except for some which comes from within the family) mainly bec. i cant afford and if i can, i'll never buy (i was planning but now have changed my mind hehe). I thought then I would be a heritage rescuer if i'll buy these pieces but realized that having an old tabernacle in a house doesnt make sense not unless my house is an ecclesiastical museum. If antique trade ends (illegalized for that matter.) then the looting stops.:cheers:

^^
hehe.. who is the emperor?




i know you are pulling my leg with this question :)

but in this case the emperor is the whole business of heritage conservation and advocacy.

either we cleanse it of all pretense or people will soon realize that, as in the tale "The Emperor's New Clothes", the common tao will see through our pretensions and find that we are not clad in heritage advocacy at all.

^^
hehe.. who is the emperor?




i know you are pulling my leg with this question :)

but in this case the emperor is the whole business of heritage conservation and advocacy.

either we cleanse it of all pretense or people will soon realize that, as in the tale "The Emperor's New Clothes", the common tao will see through our pretensions and find that we are not clad in heritage advocacy at all.

Good Item for the Contitution and By Laws of the Federation..


kamo na lang ana, Ka Bino. di na ko moapil sa federation unless limpyohan una na ang membership, latuson ang mga badlungon, ug ibutyag ang mga dautang buhat sa mga miyembro nga nagpakaaron-ingnon ra diay, ug ipa-uli ang ilang mga kinawat. mga wa na sila'y katungod nga makigbisog alang sa kapanulundanon.


besides, ethics in archaeology require that we dissociate ourselves from those that carry out the illicit trade in antiquities.


your Taytayan, though noble in intention, will be a bridge to nowhere if you do not cleanse your ranks now!

If Sanvalente's information is correct, then you have a wolf among your flock of sheep and whatever you do, people will know the truth and will see through the pretension of one who is marked by greed and the lust for money out of the illicit trade in antiquities.

Good Item for the Contitution and By Laws of the Federation..


kamo na lang ana, Ka Bino. di na ko moapil sa federation unless limpyohan una na ang membership, latuson ang mga badlungon, ug ibutyag ang mga dautang buhat sa mga miyembro nga nagpakaaron-ingnon ra diay, ug ipa-uli ang ilang mga kinawat. mga wa na sila'y katungod nga makigbisog alang sa kapanulundanon.


besides, ethics in archaeology require that we dissociate ourselves from those that carry out the illicit trade in antiquities.


your Taytayan, though noble in intention, will be a bridge to nowhere if you do not cleanse your ranks now!

If Sanvalente's information is correct, then you have a wolf among your flock of sheep and whatever you do, people will know the truth and will see through the pretension of one who is marked by greed and the lust for money out of the illicit trade in antiquities.

^^

Also, in another forum (Flickr.com), sa relics (bones, clothes of saints) na topic, there's this guy who buys relics. Although the Catholic church frowns on buying/selling of relics (since it is simony), the guy reasons out that he is buying them to save them or to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands. Other websites even go to the point that you are not buying the relic itself but rather the reliquary (which is sometimes made of precious metals) plus shipping and handling.

I don't know what to comment about this.

I think this is just the same with the collector. I can't comment nor take sides, hehe.

Could it be that the old man just sold it to him knowing that he was a big time collector or did he really commission someone to buy the artifacts for him?

^^

Also, in another forum (Flickr.com), sa relics (bones, clothes of saints) na topic, there's this guy who buys relics. Although the Catholic church frowns on buying/selling of relics (since it is simony), the guy reasons out that he is buying them to save them or to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands. Other websites even go to the point that you are not buying the relic itself but rather the reliquary (which is sometimes made of precious metals) plus shipping and handling.

I don't know what to comment about this.

I think this is just the same with the collector. I can't comment nor take sides, hehe.

Could it be that the old man just sold it to him knowing that he was a big time collector or did he really commission someone to buy the artifacts for him?

Naunsa naman pud tawn na ilang gibuhat! maayo nga nabantayan ni. kung wala pa, sugod lang na sa ilang mga so called "reconstructive" projects.


[QUOTE=LordCarnal;29460662]Here are some photos courtesy of Mr. & Mrs. Alix

Dalaguete Church


After (compare the photos above with this one)

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete01.jpg

Naunsa naman pud tawn na ilang gibuhat! maayo nga nabantayan ni. kung wala pa, sugod lang na sa ilang mga so called "reconstructive" projects.


[QUOTE=LordCarnal;29460662]Here are some photos courtesy of Mr. & Mrs. Alix

Dalaguete Church


After (compare the photos above with this one)

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete01.jpg

Naa pa bay mga lectures that will be scheduled until 9 January? Would want to attend unta or some activities by the group.

I will also be visiting Oslob to know what's happening na sa church then sidetrip guro sa dalaguete for the altar and argao.



puera gaba na sya!

anyway, we found some structure here that may pre-date the wall surroudning the pueblo. but this structure is clearly Spanish period. perhaps the visita?

no burials at al---yet. but the search for settlement evidence is doing well.

evening lectures are well-attended. you should come and visit us this saturday.

Naa pa bay mga lectures that will be scheduled until 9 January? Would want to attend unta or some activities by the group.

I will also be visiting Oslob to know what's happening na sa church then sidetrip guro sa dalaguete for the altar and argao.



puera gaba na sya!

anyway, we found some structure here that may pre-date the wall surroudning the pueblo. but this structure is clearly Spanish period. perhaps the visita?

no burials at al---yet. but the search for settlement evidence is doing well.

evening lectures are well-attended. you should come and visit us this saturday.

Dayon ni ang 22?


@archeologue, mao ni latest project nimo?


Dig Argao!
By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 11:22:00 11/27/2008
What secrets may lie beneath the old Spanish center of Argao, the pueblo, will soon be recovered through an archaeological project funded by the committee on sites, relics and structures of the Cebu Provincial Tourism and Heritage Council. Thanks to Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia, funding has been provided to bring to Argao the same National Museum team that excavated Boljoon just recently. Excavations are expected to start on Dec. 3, with a public presentation of finds on Dec. 22 as a closing activity of the project. The project is also supported by the University of San Carlos, through the Department of Sociology and Anthropology, as well as the University Museum.

Dayon ni ang 22?


@archeologue, mao ni latest project nimo?


Dig Argao!
By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 11:22:00 11/27/2008
What secrets may lie beneath the old Spanish center of Argao, the pueblo, will soon be recovered through an archaeological project funded by the committee on sites, relics and structures of the Cebu Provincial Tourism and Heritage Council. Thanks to Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia, funding has been provided to bring to Argao the same National Museum team that excavated Boljoon just recently. Excavations are expected to start on Dec. 3, with a public presentation of finds on Dec. 22 as a closing activity of the project. The project is also supported by the University of San Carlos, through the Department of Sociology and Anthropology, as well as the University Museum.

It's really marvelous work. However, I was told by Fr Galende that the original are the relievies. The bernini columns were reconstructed.

So this is the church from where the San Agustin Museum got the beautiful huge retablo. It still awes me everytime I look at it.

It's really marvelous work. However, I was told by Fr Galende that the original are the relievies. The bernini columns were reconstructed.

So this is the church from where the San Agustin Museum got the beautiful huge retablo. It still awes me everytime I look at it.

^^

Also, in another forum (Flickr.com), sa relics (bones, clothes of saints) na topic, there's this guy who buys relics. Although the Catholic church frowns on buying/selling of relics (since it is simony), the guy reasons out that he is buying them to save them or to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands. Other websites even go to the point that you are not buying the relic itself but rather the reliquary (which is sometimes made of precious metals) plus shipping and handling.

I don't know what to comment about this.

I think this is just the same with the collector. I can't comment nor take sides, hehe.

Could it be that the old man just sold it to him knowing that he was a big time collector or did he really commission someone to buy the artifacts for him?

:lol: i have read that thread as well about the relics whuch they got from e-bay or somewhere.

btw, nagstorya naman lang jud ta ani, there are collectors who are at the same time traders. arent these collectors cum traders depriving us with our own heritage? i have read in some online discussions about visayan dealers supplying stuffs to manila or elsewhere. aren't they contributing to the vanishing of our local heritage?

on the other hand, any updates on dalaguete church?

^^

Also, in another forum (Flickr.com), sa relics (bones, clothes of saints) na topic, there's this guy who buys relics. Although the Catholic church frowns on buying/selling of relics (since it is simony), the guy reasons out that he is buying them to save them or to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands. Other websites even go to the point that you are not buying the relic itself but rather the reliquary (which is sometimes made of precious metals) plus shipping and handling.

I don't know what to comment about this.

I think this is just the same with the collector. I can't comment nor take sides, hehe.

Could it be that the old man just sold it to him knowing that he was a big time collector or did he really commission someone to buy the artifacts for him?

:lol: i have read that thread as well about the relics whuch they got from e-bay or somewhere.

btw, nagstorya naman lang jud ta ani, there are collectors who are at the same time traders. arent these collectors cum traders depriving us with our own heritage? i have read in some online discussions about visayan dealers supplying stuffs to manila or elsewhere. aren't they contributing to the vanishing of our local heritage?

on the other hand, any updates on dalaguete church?

Dayon ni ang 22?


Unfortunately, the presentation as moved to last night, dec. 20 because we had to advance our schedule of departure to monday morning instead of the afternoon.

Sige, lang, we have other excavations planned for next year in other sites.

Boljoon will surely be on the list.

Dayon ni ang 22?


Unfortunately, the presentation as moved to last night, dec. 20 because we had to advance our schedule of departure to monday morning instead of the afternoon.

Sige, lang, we have other excavations planned for next year in other sites.

Boljoon will surely be on the list.

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:


P30-M Cebu Cathedral renovation

Restoring the Archdiocese’s seat
By Ma. Bernadette A. Parco
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 09:21:00 12/21/2008
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/news/view/20081221-179188/P30-M-Cebu-Cathedral-renovation


Ancient church tradition dictates that the local ordinary or bishop wields his power from his throne, the seat of the archdiocese.

In the case of Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal has the Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral which has a “throne” or seat made of marble located on the left side of the altar, said Fr. Brian Brigoli, curator of the Cebu Cathedral Museum.

The cathedral is undergoing a P30-million renovation work, the second major “facelift” during the 26-year term of office of Cardinal Vidal.

“This is the seat of the local ordinary, the seat of the highest hierarchy that governs the local church,” Fr. Brigoli said.

Aside from entailing authority, Fr. Brigoli said the seat is the symbol of unity of the church, the “unifying factor” in Cebu province.

The archdiocese, through Cardinal Vidal, sent an application to Pope Benedict XVI in September this year requesting that the cathedral be declared a basilica in time for its celebration of its 75th year as an archdiocese next year.

First renovation

Fr. Brigoli, the priest in-charge of the renovation work, explained that the Cathedral is a typical example of a baroque colonial church.

Based on the church description documented in the souvenir program published for the fourth centenary celebration of Cebu as a diocese, the church is shaped into a cruciform with thick walls that were built to withstand typhoon and other natural calamities.

Inside the church, a large dome sits upon the pillars of the transept, accenting the barrel vaulted ceiling.

A wooden retablo or altarpiece is in place over the sanctuary.

The church was almost completely destroyed during World War II.

The remaining original structures are the belfry and the facade.

“The facade is a Romanesque element. Usually the pediment is triangle but for the Cathedral it is Romanesque or half dome,” said Brigoli.

Archbishop Gabriel Reyes oversaw the church reconstruction of the church in the 1950s.

The 1993 renovation was part of preparations for the 400th year of Cebu as a diocese and was under the supervision of parish priest Msgr. Manuel Salvador.

The church interior was widened into a rectangular structure. The downsized walls support the balconies.

Major renovation work on the church was done in 1993, as part of preparations for the visit of Pope John Paul II to the Philippines for the 400th anniversary of the founding of the Archdiocese of Manila and the Dioceses of Cebu, Nueva Caceres and Nueva Segovia.

Brigoli, 29, is tasked to oversee the multi-million peso renovation work on the most prominent church in Cebu.

His “resume” includes a Masters degree in cultural heritage from the University of Sto. Tomas, a five-year course that he took for only two years.

Architecture grammar

He expressed confidence that the project should be finished by April next year in time for the celebration of 75 years of Cebu as an archdiocese.

At present, there are more than 30 workers at one time within the compound.

Three contractors have been hired to do renovation, restoration and plumbing works.

Brigoli said the first renovation work left the facade, walls and belfry intact but they were unable to incorporate structures that convey an “architecture grammar” from the main door to the nave and the altar.

“When you enter, you expect an old design. This would have brought back the people's collective memory of the place, which is a spiritual aspect of the heritage conservation work here,” said Brigoli.

“We intend to employ the principle of the old retablo that would enshrine a Filipino saint and a Filipino martyr. The old retablo or altar pieces on the main and side altars would be restored,” he said.

The right side of the altar will be reserved for Cebu's popular devotions.

San Vicente Ferrer, San Antonio de Padua and the Immaculate Conception while a San Vitales relleve or statue depicting the martyrdom of the saint will also be installed. :banana::banana:

Three custom-made chandeliers will be installed while the interior of the church will be repainted, embellished.

The adoration chapel will also be renovated, fitted with liturgical elements, or items that would appropriate to add to a place of prayer.

Patron seal

The facade, made of coral stone, is the only identity left of the cathedral, said Brigoli.

It bears the patronato real Seal of the patronato real, the king sponsoring the structure or building up the church, which is located on the low relief above the main entrance.

The relleve on the facade is original coral stone which remained untouched in previous renovation work.

Fr. Brigoli said the centuries-old facade as well as the belfry, will undergo mechanical and chemical cleaning to get rid of agents that cause degeneration, carbon deposits, acid deposits and discoloration.

“(We will) fill in the cracks so water would not seep in between the stone and roots of plants encroach into the wall,” he said. Carillon bells will be installed by March 2009.

Aside from the external renovation work, the roofing, electrical, plumbing and water system were also checked and changed.

“We are rewiring because of the fire in Oslob that destroyed the church and convent,” he said.

Electrical engineers checked the spine of the church and found that six trusses made of 40 percent wood were infected with termites.

The trusses were changed to steel tubular trusses.

“We invited an exterminator and were able to confine the termite before it spread. They treated the ground surrounding the church,” he added.

Heritage conservation

The renovation work began with the perimeter fence, said Brigoli, and also includes the parking lot and the incorporation of the plaza with expenses reaching about P15 million.

Brigoli said they will soon have an environment friendly culvert.

“Kada opening sa canal, not cemented. We bring back water to the waterbed. We incorporate the old plaza and the modern need, the parking that would fit 73 cars and 18 motorcycles,” he added.

Fr. Brigoli said the public restroom will be transferred near the grotto since it is hazardous to old stones.

The convent now has balustrades to resemble Spanish era architecture.

The adoration chapel and sacristy are also in line for some renovation work while a multi-purpose hall that could be used by mandated organizations for their meetings/gatherings.

Fr. Brigoli said that the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation Inc. (Rafi) is helping out with financing the project, as part of their advocacy of heritage conservation.

He added that fund raising projects are also being organized side by side with solicitation, receiving pledges and second collection.

Center of worship

Renovation would follow ecclesiastical requirements to prepare for conversion of the cathedral into a basilica.

“The renovation work at the Cathedral is to enhance the historical or heritage value of the church. This is a center for worship,” said Msgr. Roberto Alesna, Cathedral parish priest.

“Para ni ma-enhance and worship-life or devotion of the people. This is also for the people's cultural recall or so that they will remember how life was like in the past,” he added.

Alesna said that there were no changes with the schedule of church activities despite the round-the-clock work on the church structure.

Cardinal Vidal had submitted this year an application for the cathedral's declaration as a basilica this year.

As for the name that will be used, Alesna said if the application is approved by Pope Benedict XVI the church would be called “Basilica Minore de San Vitales.”

Kaplag

Msgr. Dakay explained that the re-discovery of the Sto. Nino, also known as Kaplag, was on April 28 which is also the feast day of San Vitales.

Kaplag is a Visayan word for “find” and is a celebration that commemorates the discovery of the image of the Sto. Niño in the burned ruins of a pre-Spanish settlement in Cebu.

“There was no other church at that but the Cathedral. So, San Vitales was chosen as the patron of the cathedral,” he said.

Dakay said the move to declare the cathedral as a basilica was timed with the celebration of the 75th year of Cebu as an archdiocese.

He added that another reason was that the number of pilgrims that visit the church was steadily increasing through the years.

The word basilica is from the Greek word basileus, which means king, said Dakay.

“All basilica inside Rome are called major basilica while all basilica outside Rome are called minor basilica,” Dakay said.

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:


P30-M Cebu Cathedral renovation

Restoring the Archdiocese’s seat
By Ma. Bernadette A. Parco
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 09:21:00 12/21/2008
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/news/view/20081221-179188/P30-M-Cebu-Cathedral-renovation


Ancient church tradition dictates that the local ordinary or bishop wields his power from his throne, the seat of the archdiocese.

In the case of Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal has the Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral which has a “throne” or seat made of marble located on the left side of the altar, said Fr. Brian Brigoli, curator of the Cebu Cathedral Museum.

The cathedral is undergoing a P30-million renovation work, the second major “facelift” during the 26-year term of office of Cardinal Vidal.

“This is the seat of the local ordinary, the seat of the highest hierarchy that governs the local church,” Fr. Brigoli said.

Aside from entailing authority, Fr. Brigoli said the seat is the symbol of unity of the church, the “unifying factor” in Cebu province.

The archdiocese, through Cardinal Vidal, sent an application to Pope Benedict XVI in September this year requesting that the cathedral be declared a basilica in time for its celebration of its 75th year as an archdiocese next year.

First renovation

Fr. Brigoli, the priest in-charge of the renovation work, explained that the Cathedral is a typical example of a baroque colonial church.

Based on the church description documented in the souvenir program published for the fourth centenary celebration of Cebu as a diocese, the church is shaped into a cruciform with thick walls that were built to withstand typhoon and other natural calamities.

Inside the church, a large dome sits upon the pillars of the transept, accenting the barrel vaulted ceiling.

A wooden retablo or altarpiece is in place over the sanctuary.

The church was almost completely destroyed during World War II.

The remaining original structures are the belfry and the facade.

“The facade is a Romanesque element. Usually the pediment is triangle but for the Cathedral it is Romanesque or half dome,” said Brigoli.

Archbishop Gabriel Reyes oversaw the church reconstruction of the church in the 1950s.

The 1993 renovation was part of preparations for the 400th year of Cebu as a diocese and was under the supervision of parish priest Msgr. Manuel Salvador.

The church interior was widened into a rectangular structure. The downsized walls support the balconies.

Major renovation work on the church was done in 1993, as part of preparations for the visit of Pope John Paul II to the Philippines for the 400th anniversary of the founding of the Archdiocese of Manila and the Dioceses of Cebu, Nueva Caceres and Nueva Segovia.

Brigoli, 29, is tasked to oversee the multi-million peso renovation work on the most prominent church in Cebu.

His “resume” includes a Masters degree in cultural heritage from the University of Sto. Tomas, a five-year course that he took for only two years.

Architecture grammar

He expressed confidence that the project should be finished by April next year in time for the celebration of 75 years of Cebu as an archdiocese.

At present, there are more than 30 workers at one time within the compound.

Three contractors have been hired to do renovation, restoration and plumbing works.

Brigoli said the first renovation work left the facade, walls and belfry intact but they were unable to incorporate structures that convey an “architecture grammar” from the main door to the nave and the altar.

“When you enter, you expect an old design. This would have brought back the people's collective memory of the place, which is a spiritual aspect of the heritage conservation work here,” said Brigoli.

“We intend to employ the principle of the old retablo that would enshrine a Filipino saint and a Filipino martyr. The old retablo or altar pieces on the main and side altars would be restored,” he said.

The right side of the altar will be reserved for Cebu's popular devotions.

San Vicente Ferrer, San Antonio de Padua and the Immaculate Conception while a San Vitales relleve or statue depicting the martyrdom of the saint will also be installed. :banana::banana:

Three custom-made chandeliers will be installed while the interior of the church will be repainted, embellished.

The adoration chapel will also be renovated, fitted with liturgical elements, or items that would appropriate to add to a place of prayer.

Patron seal

The facade, made of coral stone, is the only identity left of the cathedral, said Brigoli.

It bears the patronato real Seal of the patronato real, the king sponsoring the structure or building up the church, which is located on the low relief above the main entrance.

The relleve on the facade is original coral stone which remained untouched in previous renovation work.

Fr. Brigoli said the centuries-old facade as well as the belfry, will undergo mechanical and chemical cleaning to get rid of agents that cause degeneration, carbon deposits, acid deposits and discoloration.

“(We will) fill in the cracks so water would not seep in between the stone and roots of plants encroach into the wall,” he said. Carillon bells will be installed by March 2009.

Aside from the external renovation work, the roofing, electrical, plumbing and water system were also checked and changed.

“We are rewiring because of the fire in Oslob that destroyed the church and convent,” he said.

Electrical engineers checked the spine of the church and found that six trusses made of 40 percent wood were infected with termites.

The trusses were changed to steel tubular trusses.

“We invited an exterminator and were able to confine the termite before it spread. They treated the ground surrounding the church,” he added.

Heritage conservation

The renovation work began with the perimeter fence, said Brigoli, and also includes the parking lot and the incorporation of the plaza with expenses reaching about P15 million.

Brigoli said they will soon have an environment friendly culvert.

“Kada opening sa canal, not cemented. We bring back water to the waterbed. We incorporate the old plaza and the modern need, the parking that would fit 73 cars and 18 motorcycles,” he added.

Fr. Brigoli said the public restroom will be transferred near the grotto since it is hazardous to old stones.

The convent now has balustrades to resemble Spanish era architecture.

The adoration chapel and sacristy are also in line for some renovation work while a multi-purpose hall that could be used by mandated organizations for their meetings/gatherings.

Fr. Brigoli said that the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation Inc. (Rafi) is helping out with financing the project, as part of their advocacy of heritage conservation.

He added that fund raising projects are also being organized side by side with solicitation, receiving pledges and second collection.

Center of worship

Renovation would follow ecclesiastical requirements to prepare for conversion of the cathedral into a basilica.

“The renovation work at the Cathedral is to enhance the historical or heritage value of the church. This is a center for worship,” said Msgr. Roberto Alesna, Cathedral parish priest.

“Para ni ma-enhance and worship-life or devotion of the people. This is also for the people's cultural recall or so that they will remember how life was like in the past,” he added.

Alesna said that there were no changes with the schedule of church activities despite the round-the-clock work on the church structure.

Cardinal Vidal had submitted this year an application for the cathedral's declaration as a basilica this year.

As for the name that will be used, Alesna said if the application is approved by Pope Benedict XVI the church would be called “Basilica Minore de San Vitales.”

Kaplag

Msgr. Dakay explained that the re-discovery of the Sto. Nino, also known as Kaplag, was on April 28 which is also the feast day of San Vitales.

Kaplag is a Visayan word for “find” and is a celebration that commemorates the discovery of the image of the Sto. Niño in the burned ruins of a pre-Spanish settlement in Cebu.

“There was no other church at that but the Cathedral. So, San Vitales was chosen as the patron of the cathedral,” he said.

Dakay said the move to declare the cathedral as a basilica was timed with the celebration of the 75th year of Cebu as an archdiocese.

He added that another reason was that the number of pilgrims that visit the church was steadily increasing through the years.

The word basilica is from the Greek word basileus, which means king, said Dakay.

“All basilica inside Rome are called major basilica while all basilica outside Rome are called minor basilica,” Dakay said.

Naunsa naman pud tawn na ilang gibuhat! maayo nga nabantayan ni. kung wala pa, sugod lang na sa ilang mga so called "reconstructive" projects.


[QUOTE=LordCarnal;29460662]Here are some photos courtesy of Mr. & Mrs. Alix

Dalaguete Church


After (compare the photos above with this one)

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete01.jpg

I wonder what is it with mariwasa tiles, crazy cut floors, plain tiles, that the clergy likes so much? Which they prefer over black and white marble (harlequin design) floors, baldoza/machuca tiles or the more formal or florid tile versions of old churches that they love to cover them up?

Naunsa naman pud tawn na ilang gibuhat! maayo nga nabantayan ni. kung wala pa, sugod lang na sa ilang mga so called "reconstructive" projects.


[QUOTE=LordCarnal;29460662]Here are some photos courtesy of Mr. & Mrs. Alix

Dalaguete Church


After (compare the photos above with this one)

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete03.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/churches/dalaguete_altar/dalaguete01.jpg

I wonder what is it with mariwasa tiles, crazy cut floors, plain tiles, that the clergy likes so much? Which they prefer over black and white marble (harlequin design) floors, baldoza/machuca tiles or the more formal or florid tile versions of old churches that they love to cover them up?

I am currently aiding and abeting :) a friend who is trying to work on the history of Bogo. Kung naa kaha maka point a certain direction or reference libro na maka hatag ug "second opinion" sa aning mga data...

List of Bogo (Cebu) gobernadorcillos referred as Capitans from a Yellowed document in the possession of Segundo Orat said to have been passed to him by Padre Roman Ortiz, presumably from the files of Capt. Luis Ortiz
1864-1869 : Capt. Pedro Aballe
1870-1872 : Capt. Mansueto
1873-1875 : Capt. Donato Alarde
1875-1880 : --left vacant in Orat document--- (Maximo Fernan?)
1880-1882 : Capt. Anselmo Pedroza
1882-1885 : Capt. Buenaventura Ganzon
1886-1887 : Capt. Angel Ylanan
1888-1890 : Capt. Luis Ortiz
1891-1892 : Capt. Victorino dela Viña
1892-1893 : Capt. Buenaventura Ganzon
1894-1895 : Capt. Jose Briz
1896-1897 : Capt. Roberto Ancajas
1897-1898 : Capt. Victorino dela Viña

Naa lang medyo questionable
1894-1895 : Capt. Jose Briz
1896-1897 : Capt. Roberto Ancajas

Officials of Bogo (Guia de Forasteros)
1892 Padre Cura : ---
Juez de Paz : Buenaventura Ganzon
Assistant Juez de Paz : Enrique Briz
Maestro de Niños : Teodorico Espino
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1893 Padre Cura : D. Catalino Mendoza
Gobernadorcillo : Buenaventura Ganzon
Juez de Paz : Enrique Briz
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1894 Padre Cura : D. Catalino Mendoza
Capitan : Buenaventura Ganzon (Tribunal Municipal implementedinBogo)
Juez de Paz : Enrique Briz
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1895 Padre Cura : D. Ignacio de Espina
Capitan : Buenaventura Ganzon
Juez de Paz : Miguel Sanchez
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1896 Padre Cura : D. Ignacio de Espina
Capitan : Buenaventura Ganzon
Juez de Paz : Miguel Sanchez
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1897 Padre Cura : D. Ignacio de Espina
Capitan : Buenaventura Ganzon
Juez de Paz : Don Luis Ortiz
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1898 Padre Cura : D. Ignacio de Espina
Capitan : Victorino dela Viña
Juez de Paz : Don Luis Ortiz
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña

I am currently aiding and abeting :) a friend who is trying to work on the history of Bogo. Kung naa kaha maka point a certain direction or reference libro na maka hatag ug "second opinion" sa aning mga data...

List of Bogo (Cebu) gobernadorcillos referred as Capitans from a Yellowed document in the possession of Segundo Orat said to have been passed to him by Padre Roman Ortiz, presumably from the files of Capt. Luis Ortiz
1864-1869 : Capt. Pedro Aballe
1870-1872 : Capt. Mansueto
1873-1875 : Capt. Donato Alarde
1875-1880 : --left vacant in Orat document--- (Maximo Fernan?)
1880-1882 : Capt. Anselmo Pedroza
1882-1885 : Capt. Buenaventura Ganzon
1886-1887 : Capt. Angel Ylanan
1888-1890 : Capt. Luis Ortiz
1891-1892 : Capt. Victorino dela Viña
1892-1893 : Capt. Buenaventura Ganzon
1894-1895 : Capt. Jose Briz
1896-1897 : Capt. Roberto Ancajas
1897-1898 : Capt. Victorino dela Viña

Naa lang medyo questionable
1894-1895 : Capt. Jose Briz
1896-1897 : Capt. Roberto Ancajas

Officials of Bogo (Guia de Forasteros)
1892 Padre Cura : ---
Juez de Paz : Buenaventura Ganzon
Assistant Juez de Paz : Enrique Briz
Maestro de Niños : Teodorico Espino
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1893 Padre Cura : D. Catalino Mendoza
Gobernadorcillo : Buenaventura Ganzon
Juez de Paz : Enrique Briz
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1894 Padre Cura : D. Catalino Mendoza
Capitan : Buenaventura Ganzon (Tribunal Municipal implementedinBogo)
Juez de Paz : Enrique Briz
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1895 Padre Cura : D. Ignacio de Espina
Capitan : Buenaventura Ganzon
Juez de Paz : Miguel Sanchez
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1896 Padre Cura : D. Ignacio de Espina
Capitan : Buenaventura Ganzon
Juez de Paz : Miguel Sanchez
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1897 Padre Cura : D. Ignacio de Espina
Capitan : Buenaventura Ganzon
Juez de Paz : Don Luis Ortiz
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña
1898 Padre Cura : D. Ignacio de Espina
Capitan : Victorino dela Viña
Juez de Paz : Don Luis Ortiz
Maestro de Niños : Evaristo Ortiz
Maestra de Niñas : Ramona dela Viña

Naa sad conflicting information sa pagka sunog sa Bogo Church
1. by Luna, Eufrosinio U. “Parish Priest of Bogo: 1850 - 1991”, Bogo Fiesta May 26-27, 1991 Souvenir Program
Bogo Church edifice
July 6, 1873 Rev.Fr. Micalet was ill and succeeded by Rev. Fr. Eugenio Menchavez. Then the chapel was accidentally burned. A new chapel was constructed with thick walls of lime and sand and by adobe stones. The roofing was made of red tiles and the floor was mixed up with harden clay and sand. The new chapel was moved down to the center of the plaza.
2. Prof. Regino "Dodds" Giagona
In 1888, during the term of Capitan Luis Ortiz, the town introduced military defenses against the continuing Moro raids and the activities of the ladrones. When the church fronting the residence of Francisca “Kikay” Balbin Orbezo burned down, it was Capitan Luis who worked hard for the construction of a stone church which was the church where the Americans led by Rowan rested. A high tower was built as a campanario. It was Padre Talino Mendoza, a native of Bogo who was the padre cura, and it was he who laid the formation of a stone church for Bogo. It was not really known when the church was built, but when Capital Torin took over as gobernadorcillo, the church was already constructed. Capitan Luis was very particular about the church tower, but although the tower was there, the big bells came only after the American occupation.

Naa sad conflicting information sa pagka sunog sa Bogo Church
1. by Luna, Eufrosinio U. “Parish Priest of Bogo: 1850 - 1991”, Bogo Fiesta May 26-27, 1991 Souvenir Program
Bogo Church edifice
July 6, 1873 Rev.Fr. Micalet was ill and succeeded by Rev. Fr. Eugenio Menchavez. Then the chapel was accidentally burned. A new chapel was constructed with thick walls of lime and sand and by adobe stones. The roofing was made of red tiles and the floor was mixed up with harden clay and sand. The new chapel was moved down to the center of the plaza.
2. Prof. Regino "Dodds" Giagona
In 1888, during the term of Capitan Luis Ortiz, the town introduced military defenses against the continuing Moro raids and the activities of the ladrones. When the church fronting the residence of Francisca “Kikay” Balbin Orbezo burned down, it was Capitan Luis who worked hard for the construction of a stone church which was the church where the Americans led by Rowan rested. A high tower was built as a campanario. It was Padre Talino Mendoza, a native of Bogo who was the padre cura, and it was he who laid the formation of a stone church for Bogo. It was not really known when the church was built, but when Capital Torin took over as gobernadorcillo, the church was already constructed. Capitan Luis was very particular about the church tower, but although the tower was there, the big bells came only after the American occupation.

[QUOTE=estan;29654988]Naunsa naman pud tawn na ilang gibuhat! maayo nga nabantayan ni. kung wala pa, sugod lang na sa ilang mga so called "reconstructive" projects.




I wonder what is it with mariwasa tiles, crazy cut floors, plain tiles, that the clergy likes so much? Which they prefer over black and white marble (harlequin design) floors, baldoza/machuca tiles or the more formal or florid tile versions of old churches that they love to cover them up?

generally, there's really nothing wrong with the old. mura lang na sila gud ug mga politico nga will do these series of "enhancements" para naa sila'y marka nga nagserve sila diha. kung vandal pana, gasto nga pagsulat ug "Fr. xxx was here"

on the other hand, pwede pud nga it is not solely by the parish priests. basi ang members sa pastoral council or sycophant parishioners, especially wealthy ones who offer funding/sponsorship to perpetuate their "goodness" sa community.

[QUOTE=estan;29654988]Naunsa naman pud tawn na ilang gibuhat! maayo nga nabantayan ni. kung wala pa, sugod lang na sa ilang mga so called "reconstructive" projects.




I wonder what is it with mariwasa tiles, crazy cut floors, plain tiles, that the clergy likes so much? Which they prefer over black and white marble (harlequin design) floors, baldoza/machuca tiles or the more formal or florid tile versions of old churches that they love to cover them up?

generally, there's really nothing wrong with the old. mura lang na sila gud ug mga politico nga will do these series of "enhancements" para naa sila'y marka nga nagserve sila diha. kung vandal pana, gasto nga pagsulat ug "Fr. xxx was here"

on the other hand, pwede pud nga it is not solely by the parish priests. basi ang members sa pastoral council or sycophant parishioners, especially wealthy ones who offer funding/sponsorship to perpetuate their "goodness" sa community.

^^^^

actually that's not the whole side of the story. that's just a pamisik.

ang duda sa tanan mao ni: ang mga pari mousab sa simbahan para makagahin og porsyento para sa ilang kaugmaon. wa bya'y retirement fund ang seculars. wa poy retirement village or home plus hospitalization benefits. unlike the regulars. mao na nga mangita og paagi nga maka-project para naay makuha nga wawartz.

mag-coincide jud ni ang tumong sa pari ug ang mga balikbayan nga gusto manghinambog sa ilang kwarta.

mao nga mohunghung dayon sa pari nga "'Padre mo-donate mi ug kwarta para pintalan ang altar mayor" (which is what happened sa Argao, I heard). 'i-anunsyo lang kung kinsay naghatag nga pamilya ha."

or sometimes, ang donor di gusto magpaila. iya lang ni buhaton kay hapit na sya mamatay o bag-o ra namatyan ug nanginahanglag pangaliya o nanginahanglan sa indulgencia, as if naa pa na karong panahuna nga dugay na man na gitangtang sa balaod sa simbahan.

mao na ang tinuod.

mao na nga way nahitabo nga kausaban sa boljoon for the longest time kay wa man juy balikbayan nga mo-donate. until diriyot jud mausab if not for bobby and marianne aboitiz passing by the church in the late 1980s and seeing the huge fund-raising billboard alang sa pagpamoderno sa simbahan.

maayo gani gi-announce pa. ang uban diha, wa lang gani maski poster man lang nga mag-announce nga usbon ang altar o ang atop sa simbahan (remember Badian!)

:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

paet!

^^^^

actually that's not the whole side of the story. that's just a pamisik.

ang duda sa tanan mao ni: ang mga pari mousab sa simbahan para makagahin og porsyento para sa ilang kaugmaon. wa bya'y retirement fund ang seculars. wa poy retirement village or home plus hospitalization benefits. unlike the regulars. mao na nga mangita og paagi nga maka-project para naay makuha nga wawartz.

mag-coincide jud ni ang tumong sa pari ug ang mga balikbayan nga gusto manghinambog sa ilang kwarta.

mao nga mohunghung dayon sa pari nga "'Padre mo-donate mi ug kwarta para pintalan ang altar mayor" (which is what happened sa Argao, I heard). 'i-anunsyo lang kung kinsay naghatag nga pamilya ha."

or sometimes, ang donor di gusto magpaila. iya lang ni buhaton kay hapit na sya mamatay o bag-o ra namatyan ug nanginahanglag pangaliya o nanginahanglan sa indulgencia, as if naa pa na karong panahuna nga dugay na man na gitangtang sa balaod sa simbahan.

mao na ang tinuod.

mao na nga way nahitabo nga kausaban sa boljoon for the longest time kay wa man juy balikbayan nga mo-donate. until diriyot jud mausab if not for bobby and marianne aboitiz passing by the church in the late 1980s and seeing the huge fund-raising billboard alang sa pagpamoderno sa simbahan.

maayo gani gi-announce pa. ang uban diha, wa lang gani maski poster man lang nga mag-announce nga usbon ang altar o ang atop sa simbahan (remember Badian!)

:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

paet!

2. Prof. Regino "Dodds" Giagona
In 1888, during the term of Capitan Luis Ortiz, the town introduced military defenses against the continuing Moro raids and the activities of the ladrones.


sa akogn naibaloan, wa nay Moro raids or at least very rare na ang Moro raids after the 1850s. napuno na'g watchtowers ang Cebu, Bohol, Negros, Leyte, Samar, even northern Mindanao and as far as Zamboanga, Carraga, Surigao, Butuan etc. aning panahuna.

so this information is incorrect. or at least, if correct, then dapat i-explain nganong naulahi ang Bogo sa pagbuhat og military defenses when even by the early 1800s, nalukop na man og watchtowers ang Visayan islands. Bogo na la'y wa pa?


moreover, why build defenses against ladrones? thieves? i do not see the logic. naa diay mga cannons ang mga ladrones? kutsilyo og anting-anting ra may gipangdala sa mga bandido oi.


paet.

2. Prof. Regino "Dodds" Giagona
In 1888, during the term of Capitan Luis Ortiz, the town introduced military defenses against the continuing Moro raids and the activities of the ladrones.


sa akogn naibaloan, wa nay Moro raids or at least very rare na ang Moro raids after the 1850s. napuno na'g watchtowers ang Cebu, Bohol, Negros, Leyte, Samar, even northern Mindanao and as far as Zamboanga, Carraga, Surigao, Butuan etc. aning panahuna.

so this information is incorrect. or at least, if correct, then dapat i-explain nganong naulahi ang Bogo sa pagbuhat og military defenses when even by the early 1800s, nalukop na man og watchtowers ang Visayan islands. Bogo na la'y wa pa?


moreover, why build defenses against ladrones? thieves? i do not see the logic. naa diay mga cannons ang mga ladrones? kutsilyo og anting-anting ra may gipangdala sa mga bandido oi.


paet.

moreover, why build defenses against ladrones? thieves? i do not see the logic. naa diay mga cannons ang mga ladrones? kutsilyo og anting-anting ra may gipangdala sa mga bandido oi.


paet.

Salamat JoB sa opinion. I think your opinion makes sense.

Actually, kining project sa history sa Bogo, project ni sa USC funded sa Cebu province. Think familiar man siguro ka ani, para man ni sa tanang lungsod ug ciudad sa sugbo. Kung wa ko masayop usa man gani siguro sa taga ani nga forum ang nag trabajo sa Bantayan town. Kaila sad ka sa ani niya na assignan sa Bogo. Before ako pag-umangkon ang nag trabajo pero nihunong kay daghan na kaayo conflict sa iyang main work. Ang napuli kaliwat ra sad taga mandaue naminyo taga medellin. Unfortunately naa la'y mga blank spaces sa ilang research materials. Ang ako ikatabang are sa kining napuli mao ra pag hatag ug directions sa who can corroborate or refute sa mga what is claimed by some local writers. Naa ma'y mga local writers (Bogohanons) other than the 2 mentioned naka suwat ug mga specific events.

In my opinion maayo man na hatagan ug funding ni Gov. ni nga undertaking sa USC kay daghan'g lugar dinhi sa Cebu na wa djo'y bisan gamay'ng written history. What I have read about Bogo are katag nga history (pardon my use of katag). Wa'y reference book nga mura ba ug overview of what happened in chronological order.

When the final books sa mga lungsod ug ciudad comes out (hopefully accurate) maayo ta ma gamit as libro sa history sa mga iskwelahan. Para sad makabibawo ang mga students ug unsa nahitabo sa ilang lugar.

moreover, why build defenses against ladrones? thieves? i do not see the logic. naa diay mga cannons ang mga ladrones? kutsilyo og anting-anting ra may gipangdala sa mga bandido oi.


paet.

Salamat JoB sa opinion. I think your opinion makes sense.

Actually, kining project sa history sa Bogo, project ni sa USC funded sa Cebu province. Think familiar man siguro ka ani, para man ni sa tanang lungsod ug ciudad sa sugbo. Kung wa ko masayop usa man gani siguro sa taga ani nga forum ang nag trabajo sa Bantayan town. Kaila sad ka sa ani niya na assignan sa Bogo. Before ako pag-umangkon ang nag trabajo pero nihunong kay daghan na kaayo conflict sa iyang main work. Ang napuli kaliwat ra sad taga mandaue naminyo taga medellin. Unfortunately naa la'y mga blank spaces sa ilang research materials. Ang ako ikatabang are sa kining napuli mao ra pag hatag ug directions sa who can corroborate or refute sa mga what is claimed by some local writers. Naa ma'y mga local writers (Bogohanons) other than the 2 mentioned naka suwat ug mga specific events.

In my opinion maayo man na hatagan ug funding ni Gov. ni nga undertaking sa USC kay daghan'g lugar dinhi sa Cebu na wa djo'y bisan gamay'ng written history. What I have read about Bogo are katag nga history (pardon my use of katag). Wa'y reference book nga mura ba ug overview of what happened in chronological order.

When the final books sa mga lungsod ug ciudad comes out (hopefully accurate) maayo ta ma gamit as libro sa history sa mga iskwelahan. Para sad makabibawo ang mga students ug unsa nahitabo sa ilang lugar.

^^^^

ang duda sa tanan mao ni: ang mga pari mousab sa simbahan para makagahin og porsyento para sa ilang kaugmaon. wa bya'y retirement fund ang seculars. wa poy retirement village or home plus hospitalization benefits. unlike the regulars. mao na nga mangita og paagi nga maka-project para naay makuha nga wawartz.


Abi nako sa ANC ra ni makit-an. Kanang ba'ng mga live broadcast sa senate ug congress, pareja sa fertilizer...

^^^^

ang duda sa tanan mao ni: ang mga pari mousab sa simbahan para makagahin og porsyento para sa ilang kaugmaon. wa bya'y retirement fund ang seculars. wa poy retirement village or home plus hospitalization benefits. unlike the regulars. mao na nga mangita og paagi nga maka-project para naay makuha nga wawartz.


Abi nako sa ANC ra ni makit-an. Kanang ba'ng mga live broadcast sa senate ug congress, pareja sa fertilizer...

Post away folks! :colgate:

Post away folks! :colgate:

P30-M Cebu Cathedral renovation

Restoring the Archdiocese’s seat
By Ma. Bernadette A. Parco
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 09:21:00 12/21/2008
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/ceb...ral-renovation


Ancient church tradition dictates that the local ordinary or bishop wields his power from his throne, the seat of the archdiocese.

In the case of Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal has the Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral which has a “throne” or seat made of marble located on the left side of the altar, said Fr. Brian Brigoli, curator of the Cebu Cathedral Museum.

The cathedral is undergoing a P30-million renovation work, the second major “facelift” during the 26-year term of office of Cardinal Vidal.

“This is the seat of the local ordinary, the seat of the highest hierarchy that governs the local church,” Fr. Brigoli said.

Aside from entailing authority, Fr. Brigoli said the seat is the symbol of unity of the church, the “unifying factor” in Cebu province.

The archdiocese, through Cardinal Vidal, sent an application to Pope Benedict XVI in September this year requesting that the cathedral be declared a basilica in time for its celebration of its 75th year as an archdiocese next year.

First renovation

Fr. Brigoli, the priest in-charge of the renovation work, explained that the Cathedral is a typical example of a baroque colonial church.

Based on the church description documented in the souvenir program published for the fourth centenary celebration of Cebu as a diocese, the church is shaped into a cruciform with thick walls that were built to withstand typhoon and other natural calamities.

Inside the church, a large dome sits upon the pillars of the transept, accenting the barrel vaulted ceiling.

A wooden retablo or altarpiece is in place over the sanctuary.

The church was almost completely destroyed during World War II.

The remaining original structures are the belfry and the facade.

“The facade is a Romanesque element. Usually the pediment is triangle but for the Cathedral it is Romanesque or half dome,” said Brigoli.

Archbishop Gabriel Reyes oversaw the church reconstruction of the church in the 1950s.

The 1993 renovation was part of preparations for the 400th year of Cebu as a diocese and was under the supervision of parish priest Msgr. Manuel Salvador.

The church interior was widened into a rectangular structure. The downsized walls support the balconies.

Major renovation work on the church was done in 1993, as part of preparations for the visit of Pope John Paul II to the Philippines for the 400th anniversary of the founding of the Archdiocese of Manila and the Dioceses of Cebu, Nueva Caceres and Nueva Segovia.

Brigoli, 29, is tasked to oversee the multi-million peso renovation work on the most prominent church in Cebu.

His “resume” includes a Masters degree in cultural heritage from the University of Sto. Tomas, a five-year course that he took for only two years.

Architecture grammar

He expressed confidence that the project should be finished by April next year in time for the celebration of 75 years of Cebu as an archdiocese.

At present, there are more than 30 workers at one time within the compound.

Three contractors have been hired to do renovation, restoration and plumbing works.

Brigoli said the first renovation work left the facade, walls and belfry intact but they were unable to incorporate structures that convey an “architecture grammar” from the main door to the nave and the altar.

“When you enter, you expect an old design. This would have brought back the people's collective memory of the place, which is a spiritual aspect of the heritage conservation work here,” said Brigoli.

“We intend to employ the principle of the old retablo that would enshrine a Filipino saint and a Filipino martyr. The old retablo or altar pieces on the main and side altars would be restored,” he said.

The right side of the altar will be reserved for Cebu's popular devotions.

San Vicente Ferrer, San Antonio de Padua and the Immaculate Conception while a San Vitales relleve or statue depicting the martyrdom of the saint will also be installed.

Three custom-made chandeliers will be installed while the interior of the church will be repainted, embellished.

The adoration chapel will also be renovated, fitted with liturgical elements, or items that would appropriate to add to a place of prayer.

Patron seal

The facade, made of coral stone, is the only identity left of the cathedral, said Brigoli.

It bears the patronato real Seal of the patronato real, the king sponsoring the structure or building up the church, which is located on the low relief above the main entrance.

The relleve on the facade is original coral stone which remained untouched in previous renovation work.

Fr. Brigoli said the centuries-old facade as well as the belfry, will undergo mechanical and chemical cleaning to get rid of agents that cause degeneration, carbon deposits, acid deposits and discoloration.

“(We will) fill in the cracks so water would not seep in between the stone and roots of plants encroach into the wall,” he said. Carillon bells will be installed by March 2009.

Aside from the external renovation work, the roofing, electrical, plumbing and water system were also checked and changed.

“We are rewiring because of the fire in Oslob that destroyed the church and convent,” he said.

Electrical engineers checked the spine of the church and found that six trusses made of 40 percent wood were infected with termites.

The trusses were changed to steel tubular trusses.

“We invited an exterminator and were able to confine the termite before it spread. They treated the ground surrounding the church,” he added.

Heritage conservation

The renovation work began with the perimeter fence, said Brigoli, and also includes the parking lot and the incorporation of the plaza with expenses reaching about P15 million.

Brigoli said they will soon have an environment friendly culvert.

“Kada opening sa canal, not cemented. We bring back water to the waterbed. We incorporate the old plaza and the modern need, the parking that would fit 73 cars and 18 motorcycles,” he added.

Fr. Brigoli said the public restroom will be transferred near the grotto since it is hazardous to old stones.

The convent now has balustrades to resemble Spanish era architecture.

The adoration chapel and sacristy are also in line for some renovation work while a multi-purpose hall that could be used by mandated organizations for their meetings/gatherings.

Fr. Brigoli said that the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation Inc. (Rafi) is helping out with financing the project, as part of their advocacy of heritage conservation.

He added that fund raising projects are also being organized side by side with solicitation, receiving pledges and second collection.

Center of worship

Renovation would follow ecclesiastical requirements to prepare for conversion of the cathedral into a basilica.

“The renovation work at the Cathedral is to enhance the historical or heritage value of the church. This is a center for worship,” said Msgr. Roberto Alesna, Cathedral parish priest.

“Para ni ma-enhance and worship-life or devotion of the people. This is also for the people's cultural recall or so that they will remember how life was like in the past,” he added.

Alesna said that there were no changes with the schedule of church activities despite the round-the-clock work on the church structure.

Cardinal Vidal had submitted this year an application for the cathedral's declaration as a basilica this year.

As for the name that will be used, Alesna said if the application is approved by Pope Benedict XVI the church would be called “Basilica Minore de San Vitales.”

Kaplag

Msgr. Dakay explained that the re-discovery of the Sto. Nino, also known as Kaplag, was on April 28 which is also the feast day of San Vitales.

Kaplag is a Visayan word for “find” and is a celebration that commemorates the discovery of the image of the Sto. Niño in the burned ruins of a pre-Spanish settlement in Cebu.

“There was no other church at that but the Cathedral. So, San Vitales was chosen as the patron of the cathedral,” he said.

Dakay said the move to declare the cathedral as a basilica was timed with the celebration of the 75th year of Cebu as an archdiocese.

He added that another reason was that the number of pilgrims that visit the church was steadily increasing through the years.

The word basilica is from the Greek word basileus, which means king, said Dakay.

“All basilica inside Rome are called major basilica while all basilica outside Rome are called minor basilica,” Dakay said.

P30-M Cebu Cathedral renovation

Restoring the Archdiocese’s seat
By Ma. Bernadette A. Parco
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 09:21:00 12/21/2008
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/ceb...ral-renovation


Ancient church tradition dictates that the local ordinary or bishop wields his power from his throne, the seat of the archdiocese.

In the case of Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal has the Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral which has a “throne” or seat made of marble located on the left side of the altar, said Fr. Brian Brigoli, curator of the Cebu Cathedral Museum.

The cathedral is undergoing a P30-million renovation work, the second major “facelift” during the 26-year term of office of Cardinal Vidal.

“This is the seat of the local ordinary, the seat of the highest hierarchy that governs the local church,” Fr. Brigoli said.

Aside from entailing authority, Fr. Brigoli said the seat is the symbol of unity of the church, the “unifying factor” in Cebu province.

The archdiocese, through Cardinal Vidal, sent an application to Pope Benedict XVI in September this year requesting that the cathedral be declared a basilica in time for its celebration of its 75th year as an archdiocese next year.

First renovation

Fr. Brigoli, the priest in-charge of the renovation work, explained that the Cathedral is a typical example of a baroque colonial church.

Based on the church description documented in the souvenir program published for the fourth centenary celebration of Cebu as a diocese, the church is shaped into a cruciform with thick walls that were built to withstand typhoon and other natural calamities.

Inside the church, a large dome sits upon the pillars of the transept, accenting the barrel vaulted ceiling.

A wooden retablo or altarpiece is in place over the sanctuary.

The church was almost completely destroyed during World War II.

The remaining original structures are the belfry and the facade.

“The facade is a Romanesque element. Usually the pediment is triangle but for the Cathedral it is Romanesque or half dome,” said Brigoli.

Archbishop Gabriel Reyes oversaw the church reconstruction of the church in the 1950s.

The 1993 renovation was part of preparations for the 400th year of Cebu as a diocese and was under the supervision of parish priest Msgr. Manuel Salvador.

The church interior was widened into a rectangular structure. The downsized walls support the balconies.

Major renovation work on the church was done in 1993, as part of preparations for the visit of Pope John Paul II to the Philippines for the 400th anniversary of the founding of the Archdiocese of Manila and the Dioceses of Cebu, Nueva Caceres and Nueva Segovia.

Brigoli, 29, is tasked to oversee the multi-million peso renovation work on the most prominent church in Cebu.

His “resume” includes a Masters degree in cultural heritage from the University of Sto. Tomas, a five-year course that he took for only two years.

Architecture grammar

He expressed confidence that the project should be finished by April next year in time for the celebration of 75 years of Cebu as an archdiocese.

At present, there are more than 30 workers at one time within the compound.

Three contractors have been hired to do renovation, restoration and plumbing works.

Brigoli said the first renovation work left the facade, walls and belfry intact but they were unable to incorporate structures that convey an “architecture grammar” from the main door to the nave and the altar.

“When you enter, you expect an old design. This would have brought back the people's collective memory of the place, which is a spiritual aspect of the heritage conservation work here,” said Brigoli.

“We intend to employ the principle of the old retablo that would enshrine a Filipino saint and a Filipino martyr. The old retablo or altar pieces on the main and side altars would be restored,” he said.

The right side of the altar will be reserved for Cebu's popular devotions.

San Vicente Ferrer, San Antonio de Padua and the Immaculate Conception while a San Vitales relleve or statue depicting the martyrdom of the saint will also be installed.

Three custom-made chandeliers will be installed while the interior of the church will be repainted, embellished.

The adoration chapel will also be renovated, fitted with liturgical elements, or items that would appropriate to add to a place of prayer.

Patron seal

The facade, made of coral stone, is the only identity left of the cathedral, said Brigoli.

It bears the patronato real Seal of the patronato real, the king sponsoring the structure or building up the church, which is located on the low relief above the main entrance.

The relleve on the facade is original coral stone which remained untouched in previous renovation work.

Fr. Brigoli said the centuries-old facade as well as the belfry, will undergo mechanical and chemical cleaning to get rid of agents that cause degeneration, carbon deposits, acid deposits and discoloration.

“(We will) fill in the cracks so water would not seep in between the stone and roots of plants encroach into the wall,” he said. Carillon bells will be installed by March 2009.

Aside from the external renovation work, the roofing, electrical, plumbing and water system were also checked and changed.

“We are rewiring because of the fire in Oslob that destroyed the church and convent,” he said.

Electrical engineers checked the spine of the church and found that six trusses made of 40 percent wood were infected with termites.

The trusses were changed to steel tubular trusses.

“We invited an exterminator and were able to confine the termite before it spread. They treated the ground surrounding the church,” he added.

Heritage conservation

The renovation work began with the perimeter fence, said Brigoli, and also includes the parking lot and the incorporation of the plaza with expenses reaching about P15 million.

Brigoli said they will soon have an environment friendly culvert.

“Kada opening sa canal, not cemented. We bring back water to the waterbed. We incorporate the old plaza and the modern need, the parking that would fit 73 cars and 18 motorcycles,” he added.

Fr. Brigoli said the public restroom will be transferred near the grotto since it is hazardous to old stones.

The convent now has balustrades to resemble Spanish era architecture.

The adoration chapel and sacristy are also in line for some renovation work while a multi-purpose hall that could be used by mandated organizations for their meetings/gatherings.

Fr. Brigoli said that the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation Inc. (Rafi) is helping out with financing the project, as part of their advocacy of heritage conservation.

He added that fund raising projects are also being organized side by side with solicitation, receiving pledges and second collection.

Center of worship

Renovation would follow ecclesiastical requirements to prepare for conversion of the cathedral into a basilica.

“The renovation work at the Cathedral is to enhance the historical or heritage value of the church. This is a center for worship,” said Msgr. Roberto Alesna, Cathedral parish priest.

“Para ni ma-enhance and worship-life or devotion of the people. This is also for the people's cultural recall or so that they will remember how life was like in the past,” he added.

Alesna said that there were no changes with the schedule of church activities despite the round-the-clock work on the church structure.

Cardinal Vidal had submitted this year an application for the cathedral's declaration as a basilica this year.

As for the name that will be used, Alesna said if the application is approved by Pope Benedict XVI the church would be called “Basilica Minore de San Vitales.”

Kaplag

Msgr. Dakay explained that the re-discovery of the Sto. Nino, also known as Kaplag, was on April 28 which is also the feast day of San Vitales.

Kaplag is a Visayan word for “find” and is a celebration that commemorates the discovery of the image of the Sto. Niño in the burned ruins of a pre-Spanish settlement in Cebu.

“There was no other church at that but the Cathedral. So, San Vitales was chosen as the patron of the cathedral,” he said.

Dakay said the move to declare the cathedral as a basilica was timed with the celebration of the 75th year of Cebu as an archdiocese.

He added that another reason was that the number of pilgrims that visit the church was steadily increasing through the years.

The word basilica is from the Greek word basileus, which means king, said Dakay.

“All basilica inside Rome are called major basilica while all basilica outside Rome are called minor basilica,” Dakay said.

^^

nindot kaayo bai... hope dili na matukuran og mga bangkita ang facade sa cathedral kay grand na kaayo og dating.

^^

nindot kaayo bai... hope dili na matukuran og mga bangkita ang facade sa cathedral kay grand na kaayo og dating.

wow! Thread 7 na.

Ug ang among himatyon nga Simbahan sa Carcar. Nagsungkod na.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x248/gibbster1/Carcar/CarcarChurch.jpg

wow! Thread 7 na.

Ug ang among himatyon nga Simbahan sa Carcar. Nagsungkod na.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x248/gibbster1/Carcar/CarcarChurch.jpg

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basin ipatangtang napud na kay kuyaw og naay matumpagan. hehe. pareha sa angels na basin naay matagakan.

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Congratz! Thread 7 na! Merry Christmas to All!

:banana:

Congratz! Thread 7 na! Merry Christmas to All!

:banana:

@SleMarKen, Arnold_Carl,

I will PM you regarding a book project being mulled by Ang Karaang Tawo, Ang Bantayanon and myself, together with members of the Archdiocesan Heritage Commission and the Cathedral Museum of Cebu Inc.

The project will need your expertise at photography and hopefully at a low cost hehehe....kay wa pay budget.

I am preparing the proposal and will need all your inputs ha. please respond sa PM ha. medyo dinalian ni.

@SleMarKen, Arnold_Carl,

I will PM you regarding a book project being mulled by Ang Karaang Tawo, Ang Bantayanon and myself, together with members of the Archdiocesan Heritage Commission and the Cathedral Museum of Cebu Inc.

The project will need your expertise at photography and hopefully at a low cost hehehe....kay wa pay budget.

I am preparing the proposal and will need all your inputs ha. please respond sa PM ha. medyo dinalian ni.

basin ipatangtang napud na kay kuyaw og naay matumpagan. hehe. pareha sa angels na basin naay matagakan.

safety should be the main concern to the church goers. i dont care how old that relic is if it falls on somebodys head and kill someone. its not worth preserving it. even one life is so precious to barter a historical artifact.

here in the us, no matter how old the building is, if it is deemed unsafe then it must be demolish or risk the loss of lives and more so risk the lawsuit.

basin ipatangtang napud na kay kuyaw og naay matumpagan. hehe. pareha sa angels na basin naay matagakan.

safety should be the main concern to the church goers. i dont care how old that relic is if it falls on somebodys head and kill someone. its not worth preserving it. even one life is so precious to barter a historical artifact.

here in the us, no matter how old the building is, if it is deemed unsafe then it must be demolish or risk the loss of lives and more so risk the lawsuit.

safety should be the main concern to the church goers. i dont care how old that relic is if it falls on somebodys head and kill someone. its not worth preserving it. even one life is so precious to barter a historical artifact.

here in the us, no matter how old the building is, if it is deemed unsafe then it must be demolish or risk the loss of lives and more so risk the lawsuit.

This artifact is worth preserving since there are a number of ways of doing this. It may even be placed in a museum. But preserving it in place can still be done, as was the case in San Agustin and San Sebastian. Supports were installed in the San Sebastian pulpit but I think it was placed higher so as not to obstruct the view towards the altar. These two were of the hanging type and remedies were made. The one in Carcar is of a different type - one with a pillar or post underneath the main structure.

safety should be the main concern to the church goers. i dont care how old that relic is if it falls on somebodys head and kill someone. its not worth preserving it. even one life is so precious to barter a historical artifact.

here in the us, no matter how old the building is, if it is deemed unsafe then it must be demolish or risk the loss of lives and more so risk the lawsuit.

This artifact is worth preserving since there are a number of ways of doing this. It may even be placed in a museum. But preserving it in place can still be done, as was the case in San Agustin and San Sebastian. Supports were installed in the San Sebastian pulpit but I think it was placed higher so as not to obstruct the view towards the altar. These two were of the hanging type and remedies were made. The one in Carcar is of a different type - one with a pillar or post underneath the main structure.

from thread 6, archaeologue:

"sa akogn naibaloan, wa nay Moro raids or at least very rare na ang Moro raids after the 1850s. napuno na'g watchtowers ang Cebu, Bohol, Negros, Leyte, Samar, even northern Mindanao and as far as Zamboanga, Carraga, Surigao, Butuan etc. aning panahuna."

Agree ko ani. After the fall of Balangingi and the introduction of steamships, ang capability sa mga slave raiders to go far was deeply crippled. most of the raids, inunay na lang nila sa mga small islands within Sulu. also, 1888 is already too late for raiding. Daghang mga Balangingi and other slavers ang gi exile sa Cagayan Valley.

from thread 6, archaeologue:

"sa akogn naibaloan, wa nay Moro raids or at least very rare na ang Moro raids after the 1850s. napuno na'g watchtowers ang Cebu, Bohol, Negros, Leyte, Samar, even northern Mindanao and as far as Zamboanga, Carraga, Surigao, Butuan etc. aning panahuna."

Agree ko ani. After the fall of Balangingi and the introduction of steamships, ang capability sa mga slave raiders to go far was deeply crippled. most of the raids, inunay na lang nila sa mga small islands within Sulu. also, 1888 is already too late for raiding. Daghang mga Balangingi and other slavers ang gi exile sa Cagayan Valley.

This artifact is worth preserving since there are a number of ways of doing this. It may even be placed in a museum. But preserving it in place can still be done, as was the case in San Agustin and San Sebastian. Supports were installed in the San Sebastian pulpit but I think it was placed higher so as not to obstruct the view towards the altar. These two were of the hanging type and remedies were made. The one in Carcar is of a different type - one with a pillar or post underneath the main structure.


I agree.. hazzardous as they may be but there are way of saving ang preserving them. we just dont have the means maybe.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

This artifact is worth preserving since there are a number of ways of doing this. It may even be placed in a museum. But preserving it in place can still be done, as was the case in San Agustin and San Sebastian. Supports were installed in the San Sebastian pulpit but I think it was placed higher so as not to obstruct the view towards the altar. These two were of the hanging type and remedies were made. The one in Carcar is of a different type - one with a pillar or post underneath the main structure.


I agree.. hazzardous as they may be but there are way of saving ang preserving them. we just dont have the means maybe.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

I agree.. hazzardous as they may be but there are way of saving ang preserving them. we just dont have the means maybe.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

no matter what the historians or archeogists say about it, the church is liable for keeping an unsafe structure inside the worship area. its either they remove it and preserve in a warehouse or museum or reinforce it all at once before any accident can happen.

I agree.. hazzardous as they may be but there are way of saving ang preserving them. we just dont have the means maybe.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

no matter what the historians or archeogists say about it, the church is liable for keeping an unsafe structure inside the worship area. its either they remove it and preserve in a warehouse or museum or reinforce it all at once before any accident can happen.

Was circumcision already a part of Cebuano culture before the Spanish time?

Was circumcision already a part of Cebuano culture before the Spanish time?

Wow, mahimo nang Basilica ang Cathedral?

Wow, mahimo nang Basilica ang Cathedral?

wow! Thread 7 na.

Ug ang among himatyon nga Simbahan sa Carcar. Nagsungkod na.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x248/gibbster1/Carcar/CarcarChurch.jpg

hi gibbs,

For me, the battle to save the church in Carcar and other heritage churches is waged on the wrong front. It has been sold to the people, since Vatican 2, that these church changes are okay and even necessary. So how can folks expect for resistance and vigilance when these changes are being peddled by the priests? The churches were made in the time of different mentality on the liturgy, hence the decors, architecture and the orientation. Churches were built for the glory of God since the Mass is a sacrifice and worship. In the aftermath of Vatican 2, the emphasis is less on worshipping God but on celebrating the assembly. The mentality became utilitarian and suddenly beauty and quality are not necessary anymore. Unless there is a reorientation in worship back to God, liturgists can change anything at their whim.

It is sad, per archeologue, that there is no provision for the retirement of priests. I used to think it funny that these retirable priests were sent to Carcar to accumulate savings. Now it is insulting, and to think that the cleric who assigns priests to parishes is supposedly from Carcar. I am not sure when the destruction in Carcar started, it would be wedding picutures over time that can tell, but I think it was in the 70s with a priest whose name started with a V. The destruction in the 90s happenned with the long reign of Gelbo*ling*. My friend heard him gush on how much money he collects in Carcar, compared to his previous assignments. He made the convento into a sari-sari store and sold beer. Antique dealers trooped up and down the stairs of the convento. One of his numerous niece-companions admitted to that abortionist-collector that they were too late. Gelbo*ling* had already sold the tables with ball and claw feet. Even Fr Varga, mentioned in the church a few months back how he recognized a table that he used in the convento. When peeked inside the table, he read his name that he scratched on it. Where did the pews go? Gelbo*ling*made tons of money touring the US for pew replacement donations. anyway, my rant for the day.

wow! Thread 7 na.

Ug ang among himatyon nga Simbahan sa Carcar. Nagsungkod na.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x248/gibbster1/Carcar/CarcarChurch.jpg

hi gibbs,

For me, the battle to save the church in Carcar and other heritage churches is waged on the wrong front. It has been sold to the people, since Vatican 2, that these church changes are okay and even necessary. So how can folks expect for resistance and vigilance when these changes are being peddled by the priests? The churches were made in the time of different mentality on the liturgy, hence the decors, architecture and the orientation. Churches were built for the glory of God since the Mass is a sacrifice and worship. In the aftermath of Vatican 2, the emphasis is less on worshipping God but on celebrating the assembly. The mentality became utilitarian and suddenly beauty and quality are not necessary anymore. Unless there is a reorientation in worship back to God, liturgists can change anything at their whim.

It is sad, per archeologue, that there is no provision for the retirement of priests. I used to think it funny that these retirable priests were sent to Carcar to accumulate savings. Now it is insulting, and to think that the cleric who assigns priests to parishes is supposedly from Carcar. I am not sure when the destruction in Carcar started, it would be wedding picutures over time that can tell, but I think it was in the 70s with a priest whose name started with a V. The destruction in the 90s happenned with the long reign of Gelbo*ling*. My friend heard him gush on how much money he collects in Carcar, compared to his previous assignments. He made the convento into a sari-sari store and sold beer. Antique dealers trooped up and down the stairs of the convento. One of his numerous niece-companions admitted to that abortionist-collector that they were too late. Gelbo*ling* had already sold the tables with ball and claw feet. Even Fr Varga, mentioned in the church a few months back how he recognized a table that he used in the convento. When peeked inside the table, he read his name that he scratched on it. Where did the pews go? Gelbo*ling*made tons of money touring the US for pew replacement donations. anyway, my rant for the day.

Vatican 2 did really had a great effect on colonial era churches but it doesn't mean that all our efforts today are useless. There is even no need to reorient how we worship our God. These times are better as heritage conservation is gaining ground. Medyo hinay lang pud but if we put more effort on it, let the people be aware of the treasures around their midst and educate them, especially our priests, then we can make an impact.

hi gibbs,

For me, the battle to save the church in Carcar and other heritage churches is waged on the wrong front. It has been sold to the people, since Vatican 2, that these church changes are okay and even necessary. So how can folks expect for resistance and vigilance when these changes are being peddled by the priests? The churches were made in the time of different mentality on the liturgy, hence the decors, architecture and the orientation. Churches were built for the glory of God since the Mass is a sacrifice and worship. In the aftermath of Vatican 2, the emphasis is less on worshipping God but on celebrating the assembly. The mentality became utilitarian and suddenly beauty and quality are not necessary anymore. Unless there is a reorientation in worship back to God, liturgists can change anything at their whim.

Vatican 2 did really had a great effect on colonial era churches but it doesn't mean that all our efforts today are useless. There is even no need to reorient how we worship our God. These times are better as heritage conservation is gaining ground. Medyo hinay lang pud but if we put more effort on it, let the people be aware of the treasures around their midst and educate them, especially our priests, then we can make an impact.

hi gibbs,

For me, the battle to save the church in Carcar and other heritage churches is waged on the wrong front. It has been sold to the people, since Vatican 2, that these church changes are okay and even necessary. So how can folks expect for resistance and vigilance when these changes are being peddled by the priests? The churches were made in the time of different mentality on the liturgy, hence the decors, architecture and the orientation. Churches were built for the glory of God since the Mass is a sacrifice and worship. In the aftermath of Vatican 2, the emphasis is less on worshipping God but on celebrating the assembly. The mentality became utilitarian and suddenly beauty and quality are not necessary anymore. Unless there is a reorientation in worship back to God, liturgists can change anything at their whim.

Was circumcision already a part of Cebuano culture before the Spanish time?


yes. and perhaps even before the islamization of the South.
the Spaniards could not have introduced this because Christians all over the world, including Spaniards, do not practice circumcision.

in other words, Filipinos appear to be the only non-Judaic, non-Islamic peoples in Asia that practice circumcision.

the word "tuli" is indigenous and not borrowed from any colonial language.
that alone should tell us that the practice is indeed pre-Hispanic.

Was circumcision already a part of Cebuano culture before the Spanish time?


yes. and perhaps even before the islamization of the South.
the Spaniards could not have introduced this because Christians all over the world, including Spaniards, do not practice circumcision.

in other words, Filipinos appear to be the only non-Judaic, non-Islamic peoples in Asia that practice circumcision.

the word "tuli" is indigenous and not borrowed from any colonial language.
that alone should tell us that the practice is indeed pre-Hispanic.

no matter what the historians or archeogists say about it, the church is liable for keeping an unsafe structure inside the worship area. its either they remove it and preserve in a warehouse or museum or reinforce it all at once before any accident can happen.


indeed.

which means that a way out of the alterations going on inside churches (in conformity with the Vatican II requirements of the liturgy ) is to obtain permission from the duly authorized heritage body about these plans: the Ecclesiastical Commission for the Cultural Heritage of the Church (and its equivalent in the dioceses, the Archiodcesan or Diocesan Commission for the Cultural Heritage of the Church).

conservation by way of removal and display in a museum, I agree, is a valid option when the well-being of parishioners is threatened by structural problems. the purists among heritage groups, unfortunately, do not agree with this view.

no matter what the historians or archeogists say about it, the church is liable for keeping an unsafe structure inside the worship area. its either they remove it and preserve in a warehouse or museum or reinforce it all at once before any accident can happen.


indeed.

which means that a way out of the alterations going on inside churches (in conformity with the Vatican II requirements of the liturgy ) is to obtain permission from the duly authorized heritage body about these plans: the Ecclesiastical Commission for the Cultural Heritage of the Church (and its equivalent in the dioceses, the Archiodcesan or Diocesan Commission for the Cultural Heritage of the Church).

conservation by way of removal and display in a museum, I agree, is a valid option when the well-being of parishioners is threatened by structural problems. the purists among heritage groups, unfortunately, do not agree with this view.

yes. and perhaps even before the islamization of the South.
the Spaniards could not have introduced this because Christians all over the world, including Spaniards, do not practice circumcision.

in other words, Filipinos appear to be the only non-Judaic, non-Islamic peoples in Asia that practice circumcision.

the word "tuli" is indigenous and not borrowed from any colonial language.
that alone should tell us that the practice is indeed pre-Hispanic.

Thanks, Sir Joe...May I ask further, as to what could be the reason why our ancestors have this practice? Is it more on giving emphasis of being a man or is it more on hygen?

yes. and perhaps even before the islamization of the South.
the Spaniards could not have introduced this because Christians all over the world, including Spaniards, do not practice circumcision.

in other words, Filipinos appear to be the only non-Judaic, non-Islamic peoples in Asia that practice circumcision.

the word "tuli" is indigenous and not borrowed from any colonial language.
that alone should tell us that the practice is indeed pre-Hispanic.

Thanks, Sir Joe...May I ask further, as to what could be the reason why our ancestors have this practice? Is it more on giving emphasis of being a man or is it more on hygen?

Does anyone have any information about the Jai Alai building in Mambaling?

Does anyone have any information about the Jai Alai building in Mambaling?

^^ unfortunately, the last time i saw that building which was last year, it's really dilapidated and it's being used as a church by a religious group "Jesus is Lord"...

^^ unfortunately, the last time i saw that building which was last year, it's really dilapidated and it's being used as a church by a religious group "Jesus is Lord"...

Thanks, Sir Joe...May I ask further, as to what could be the reason why our ancestors have this practice? Is it more on giving emphasis of being a man or is it more on hygen?

you're welcome, Sleepwalker.

it is probably due to a coming of age practise. there are non-islamic african tribes that also practice circumcision. more than for hygiene (given a very warm or hot tropical environment), circumcision or the mutilation of a part of the prepuce, is a mark of manhood.


if this was for hygienic purposes, then one could expect all other non-islamic or non-judaic societies around the tropical belt to practice circumcision. but this is not the case. consider India, Singapore, and Thailand as examples. Very hot and humid there but no circumcision unless if you were Muslim.

:ohno:

Thanks, Sir Joe...May I ask further, as to what could be the reason why our ancestors have this practice? Is it more on giving emphasis of being a man or is it more on hygen?

you're welcome, Sleepwalker.

it is probably due to a coming of age practise. there are non-islamic african tribes that also practice circumcision. more than for hygiene (given a very warm or hot tropical environment), circumcision or the mutilation of a part of the prepuce, is a mark of manhood.


if this was for hygienic purposes, then one could expect all other non-islamic or non-judaic societies around the tropical belt to practice circumcision. but this is not the case. consider India, Singapore, and Thailand as examples. Very hot and humid there but no circumcision unless if you were Muslim.

:ohno:

hi gibbs,

For me, the battle to save the church in Carcar and other heritage churches is waged on the wrong front. It has been sold to the people, since Vatican 2, that these church changes are okay and even necessary. So how can folks expect for resistance and vigilance when these changes are being peddled by the priests? The churches were made in the time of different mentality on the liturgy, hence the decors, architecture and the orientation. Churches were built for the glory of God since the Mass is a sacrifice and worship. In the aftermath of Vatican 2, the emphasis is less on worshipping God but on celebrating the assembly. The mentality became utilitarian and suddenly beauty and quality are not necessary anymore. Unless there is a reorientation in worship back to God, liturgists can change anything at their whim.

the problem is not the reforms instituted by the Second Vatican Council, but the local bishops and clergy did not pay much attention on the last chapter of SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM, the constitution on sacred liturgy, which was a result of the deliberation during the council. Here is chapter VII of the said constitution. You can use this when you argue with your parish priests ... hehehe


CHAPTER VII: SACRED ART AND SACRED FURNISHINGS

122. Very rightly the fine arts are considered to rank among the noblest activities of man's genius, and this applies especially to religious art and to its highest achievement, which is sacred art. These arts, by their very nature, are oriented toward the infinite beauty of God which they attempt in some way to portray by the work of human hands; they achieve their purpose of redounding to God's praise and glory in proportion as they are directed the more exclusively to the single aim of turning men's minds devoutly toward God.

Holy Mother Church has therefore always been the friend of the fine arts and has ever sought their noble help, with the special aim that all things set apart for use in divine worship should be truly worthy, becoming, and beautiful, signs and symbols of the supernatural world, and for this purpose she has trained artists. In fact, the Church has, with good reason, always reserved to herself the right to pass judgment upon the arts, deciding which of the works of artists are in accordance with faith, piety, and cherished traditional laws, and thereby fitted for sacred use.

The Church has been particularly careful to see that sacred furnishings should worthily and beautifully serve the dignity of worship, and has admitted changes in materials, style, or ornamentation prompted by the progress of the technical arts with he passage of time.

Wherefore it has pleased the Fathers to issue the following decrees on these matters.

123. The Church has not adopted any particular style of art as her very own; she has admitted styles from every period according to the natural talents and circumstances of peoples, and the needs of the various rites. Thus, in the course of the centuries, she has brought into being a treasury of art which must be very carefully preserved. The art of our own days, coming from every race and region, shall also be given free scope in the Church, provided that it adorns the sacred buildings and holy rites with due reverence and honor; thereby it is enabled to contribute its own voice to that wonderful chorus of praise in honor of the Catholic faith sung by great men in times gone by.

124. Ordinaries, by the encouragement and favor they show to art which is truly sacred, should strive after noble beauty rather than mere sumptuous display. This principle is to apply also in the matter of sacred vestments and ornaments.

Let bishops carefully remove from the house of God and from other sacred places those works of artists which are repugnant to faith, morals, and Christian piety, and which offend true religious sense either by depraved forms or by lack of artistic worth, mediocrity and pretense.

And when churches are to be built, let great care be taken that they be suitable for the celebration of liturgical services and for the active participation of the faithful.

125. The practice of placing sacred images in churches so that they may be venerated by the faithful is to be maintained. Nevertheless their number should be moderate and their relative positions should reflect right order. For otherwise they may create confusion among the Christian people and foster devotion of doubtful orthodoxy.

126. When passing judgment on works of art, local ordinaries shall give a hearing to the diocesan commission on sacred art and, if needed, also to others who are especially expert, and to the commissions referred to in Art. 44, 45, and 46.

Ordinaries must be very careful to see that sacred furnishings and works of value are not disposed of or dispersed; for they are the ornaments of the house of God.

127. Bishops should have a special concern for artists, so as to imbue them with the spirit of sacred art and of the sacred liturgy. This they may do in person or through suitable priests who are gifted with a knowledge and love of art.

It is also desirable that schools or academies of sacred art should be founded in those parts of the world where they would be useful, so that artists may be trained.

All artists who, prompted by their talents, desire to serve God's glory in holy Church, should ever bear in mind that they are engaged in a kind of sacred imitation of God the Creator, and are concerned with works destined to be used in Catholic worship, to edify the faithful, and to foster their piety and their religious formation.

128. Along with the revision of the liturgical books, as laid down in Art. 25, there is to be an early revision of the canons and ecclesiastical statutes which govern the provision of material things involved in sacred worship. These laws refer especially to the worthy and well planned construction of sacred buildings, the shape and construction of altars, the nobility, placing, and safety of the eucharistic tabernacle, the dignity and suitability of the baptistery, the proper ordering of sacred images, embellishments, and vestments. Laws which seem less suited to the reformed liturgy are to be brought into harmony with it, or else abolished; and any which are helpful are to be retained if already in use, or introduced where they are lacking.

According to the norm of Art. 22 of this Constitution, the territorial bodies of bishops are empowered to adapt such things to the needs and customs of their different regions; this applies especially to the materials and form of sacred furnishings and vestments.

129. During their philosophical and theological studies, clerics are to be taught about the history and development of sacred art, and about the sound principles governing the production of its works. In consequence they will be able to appreciate and preserve the Church's venerable monuments, and be in a position to aid, by good advice, artists who are engaged in producing works of art.

130. It is fitting that the use of pontificals be reserved to those ecclesiastical persons who have episcopal rank or some particular jurisdiction.

hi gibbs,

For me, the battle to save the church in Carcar and other heritage churches is waged on the wrong front. It has been sold to the people, since Vatican 2, that these church changes are okay and even necessary. So how can folks expect for resistance and vigilance when these changes are being peddled by the priests? The churches were made in the time of different mentality on the liturgy, hence the decors, architecture and the orientation. Churches were built for the glory of God since the Mass is a sacrifice and worship. In the aftermath of Vatican 2, the emphasis is less on worshipping God but on celebrating the assembly. The mentality became utilitarian and suddenly beauty and quality are not necessary anymore. Unless there is a reorientation in worship back to God, liturgists can change anything at their whim.

the problem is not the reforms instituted by the Second Vatican Council, but the local bishops and clergy did not pay much attention on the last chapter of SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM, the constitution on sacred liturgy, which was a result of the deliberation during the council. Here is chapter VII of the said constitution. You can use this when you argue with your parish priests ... hehehe


CHAPTER VII: SACRED ART AND SACRED FURNISHINGS

122. Very rightly the fine arts are considered to rank among the noblest activities of man's genius, and this applies especially to religious art and to its highest achievement, which is sacred art. These arts, by their very nature, are oriented toward the infinite beauty of God which they attempt in some way to portray by the work of human hands; they achieve their purpose of redounding to God's praise and glory in proportion as they are directed the more exclusively to the single aim of turning men's minds devoutly toward God.

Holy Mother Church has therefore always been the friend of the fine arts and has ever sought their noble help, with the special aim that all things set apart for use in divine worship should be truly worthy, becoming, and beautiful, signs and symbols of the supernatural world, and for this purpose she has trained artists. In fact, the Church has, with good reason, always reserved to herself the right to pass judgment upon the arts, deciding which of the works of artists are in accordance with faith, piety, and cherished traditional laws, and thereby fitted for sacred use.

The Church has been particularly careful to see that sacred furnishings should worthily and beautifully serve the dignity of worship, and has admitted changes in materials, style, or ornamentation prompted by the progress of the technical arts with he passage of time.

Wherefore it has pleased the Fathers to issue the following decrees on these matters.

123. The Church has not adopted any particular style of art as her very own; she has admitted styles from every period according to the natural talents and circumstances of peoples, and the needs of the various rites. Thus, in the course of the centuries, she has brought into being a treasury of art which must be very carefully preserved. The art of our own days, coming from every race and region, shall also be given free scope in the Church, provided that it adorns the sacred buildings and holy rites with due reverence and honor; thereby it is enabled to contribute its own voice to that wonderful chorus of praise in honor of the Catholic faith sung by great men in times gone by.

124. Ordinaries, by the encouragement and favor they show to art which is truly sacred, should strive after noble beauty rather than mere sumptuous display. This principle is to apply also in the matter of sacred vestments and ornaments.

Let bishops carefully remove from the house of God and from other sacred places those works of artists which are repugnant to faith, morals, and Christian piety, and which offend true religious sense either by depraved forms or by lack of artistic worth, mediocrity and pretense.

And when churches are to be built, let great care be taken that they be suitable for the celebration of liturgical services and for the active participation of the faithful.

125. The practice of placing sacred images in churches so that they may be venerated by the faithful is to be maintained. Nevertheless their number should be moderate and their relative positions should reflect right order. For otherwise they may create confusion among the Christian people and foster devotion of doubtful orthodoxy.

126. When passing judgment on works of art, local ordinaries shall give a hearing to the diocesan commission on sacred art and, if needed, also to others who are especially expert, and to the commissions referred to in Art. 44, 45, and 46.

Ordinaries must be very careful to see that sacred furnishings and works of value are not disposed of or dispersed; for they are the ornaments of the house of God.

127. Bishops should have a special concern for artists, so as to imbue them with the spirit of sacred art and of the sacred liturgy. This they may do in person or through suitable priests who are gifted with a knowledge and love of art.

It is also desirable that schools or academies of sacred art should be founded in those parts of the world where they would be useful, so that artists may be trained.

All artists who, prompted by their talents, desire to serve God's glory in holy Church, should ever bear in mind that they are engaged in a kind of sacred imitation of God the Creator, and are concerned with works destined to be used in Catholic worship, to edify the faithful, and to foster their piety and their religious formation.

128. Along with the revision of the liturgical books, as laid down in Art. 25, there is to be an early revision of the canons and ecclesiastical statutes which govern the provision of material things involved in sacred worship. These laws refer especially to the worthy and well planned construction of sacred buildings, the shape and construction of altars, the nobility, placing, and safety of the eucharistic tabernacle, the dignity and suitability of the baptistery, the proper ordering of sacred images, embellishments, and vestments. Laws which seem less suited to the reformed liturgy are to be brought into harmony with it, or else abolished; and any which are helpful are to be retained if already in use, or introduced where they are lacking.

According to the norm of Art. 22 of this Constitution, the territorial bodies of bishops are empowered to adapt such things to the needs and customs of their different regions; this applies especially to the materials and form of sacred furnishings and vestments.

129. During their philosophical and theological studies, clerics are to be taught about the history and development of sacred art, and about the sound principles governing the production of its works. In consequence they will be able to appreciate and preserve the Church's venerable monuments, and be in a position to aid, by good advice, artists who are engaged in producing works of art.

130. It is fitting that the use of pontificals be reserved to those ecclesiastical persons who have episcopal rank or some particular jurisdiction.

yes. and perhaps even before the islamization of the South.
the Spaniards could not have introduced this because Christians all over the world, including Spaniards, do not practice circumcision.

in other words, Filipinos appear to be the only non-Judaic, non-Islamic peoples in Asia that practice circumcision.

the word "tuli" is indigenous and not borrowed from any colonial language.
that alone should tell us that the practice is indeed pre-Hispanic.

i thought circumcision was introduced to us by the americans...wa may tuli tingali niadto nga time before the americans...kung naa man galing didto ra na sa mga islamic community...

yes. and perhaps even before the islamization of the South.
the Spaniards could not have introduced this because Christians all over the world, including Spaniards, do not practice circumcision.

in other words, Filipinos appear to be the only non-Judaic, non-Islamic peoples in Asia that practice circumcision.

the word "tuli" is indigenous and not borrowed from any colonial language.
that alone should tell us that the practice is indeed pre-Hispanic.

i thought circumcision was introduced to us by the americans...wa may tuli tingali niadto nga time before the americans...kung naa man galing didto ra na sa mga islamic community...

i thought circumcision was introduced to us by the americans...wa may tuli tingali niadto nga time before the americans...kung naa man galing didto ra na sa mga islamic community...


nope. the Americans themselves were never cirucmcised, or at least only a few states required circumcision. i know this for a fact.

if circumcision were introduced by the Americans, the word "tuli" would probably not have entered our vocabulary. we would have pidginized the word "circumcision" the way we call refrigerators as "fridgidaire" or toothpase as "Colgate" becuse we have no existing words in the native language for these. thus, the first product or practice that is subsumed into the cultural milieu becomes the ultimate term for a genera of similar items/practices.

in page 25 of Barangay, William Henry Scott, writing on the basis of early missionary accounts and reports says:

"The practice of cirumcision was widespread in the Visayas. It was called tuli and was technically supercision rather than circumcision---that is, cut lengthwise above rather than cut around. (If the prepuce was actually removed, the act was called girlo, the same term used for cutting off a piece of a pig's ear for identification purposes.) The uncircumcised were called pisot, an unripe or green fruit, a term which was also a polite euphemism for the female parts...

...Spanish missionaries were quick to conclude that the custom had been introduced by their Muslim competitors, as it probably had been in some areas, but Visayans claimed that their custom was of indigenous origin predating any contact with Islam---and so did circumcised natives of Guam."

i thought circumcision was introduced to us by the americans...wa may tuli tingali niadto nga time before the americans...kung naa man galing didto ra na sa mga islamic community...


nope. the Americans themselves were never cirucmcised, or at least only a few states required circumcision. i know this for a fact.

if circumcision were introduced by the Americans, the word "tuli" would probably not have entered our vocabulary. we would have pidginized the word "circumcision" the way we call refrigerators as "fridgidaire" or toothpase as "Colgate" becuse we have no existing words in the native language for these. thus, the first product or practice that is subsumed into the cultural milieu becomes the ultimate term for a genera of similar items/practices.

in page 25 of Barangay, William Henry Scott, writing on the basis of early missionary accounts and reports says:

"The practice of cirumcision was widespread in the Visayas. It was called tuli and was technically supercision rather than circumcision---that is, cut lengthwise above rather than cut around. (If the prepuce was actually removed, the act was called girlo, the same term used for cutting off a piece of a pig's ear for identification purposes.) The uncircumcised were called pisot, an unripe or green fruit, a term which was also a polite euphemism for the female parts...

...Spanish missionaries were quick to conclude that the custom had been introduced by their Muslim competitors, as it probably had been in some areas, but Visayans claimed that their custom was of indigenous origin predating any contact with Islam---and so did circumcised natives of Guam."

And now, I wonder how painful was it to be circumcised with blunt knife or bolo or whatever tools they used for this operation...I hope, they were not using sharpened stone...Hehehehehe

And now, I wonder how painful was it to be circumcised with blunt knife or bolo or whatever tools they used for this operation...I hope, they were not using sharpened stone...Hehehehehe

And now, I wonder how painful was it to be circumcised with blunt knife or bolo or whatever tools they used for this operation...I hope, they were not using sharpened stone...Hehehehehe



some use iron knives, others, lancets made of bamboo.

hehe.

And now, I wonder how painful was it to be circumcised with blunt knife or bolo or whatever tools they used for this operation...I hope, they were not using sharpened stone...Hehehehehe



some use iron knives, others, lancets made of bamboo.

hehe.

hi gibbs,

For me, the battle to save the church in Carcar and other heritage churches is waged on the wrong front. It has been sold to the people, since Vatican 2, that these church changes are okay and even necessary. So how can folks expect for resistance and vigilance when these changes are being peddled by the priests? The churches were made in the time of different mentality on the liturgy, hence the decors, architecture and the orientation. Churches were built for the glory of God since the Mass is a sacrifice and worship. In the aftermath of Vatican 2, the emphasis is less on worshipping God but on celebrating the assembly. The mentality became utilitarian and suddenly beauty and quality are not necessary anymore. Unless there is a reorientation in worship back to God, liturgists can change anything at their whim.

It is sad, per archeologue, that there is no provision for the retirement of priests. I used to think it funny that these retirable priests were sent to Carcar to accumulate savings. Now it is insulting, and to think that the cleric who assigns priests to parishes is supposedly from Carcar. I am not sure when the destruction in Carcar started, it would be wedding picutures over time that can tell, but I think it was in the 70s with a priest whose name started with a V. The destruction in the 90s happenned with the long reign of Gelbo*ling*. My friend heard him gush on how much money he collects in Carcar, compared to his previous assignments. He made the convento into a sari-sari store and sold beer. Antique dealers trooped up and down the stairs of the convento. One of his numerous niece-companions admitted to that abortionist-collector that they were too late. Gelbo*ling* had already sold the tables with ball and claw feet. Even Fr Varga, mentioned in the church a few months back how he recognized a table that he used in the convento. When peeked inside the table, he read his name that he scratched on it. Where did the pews go? Gelbo*ling*made tons of money touring the US for pew replacement donations. anyway, my rant for the day.

These acts of the clergy who treats Church property as their own are probably a consequence of a lack of accountability and proper inventory of church owned properties. This is probably a consequence of the discontinuance of the cargo y data system.

hi gibbs,

For me, the battle to save the church in Carcar and other heritage churches is waged on the wrong front. It has been sold to the people, since Vatican 2, that these church changes are okay and even necessary. So how can folks expect for resistance and vigilance when these changes are being peddled by the priests? The churches were made in the time of different mentality on the liturgy, hence the decors, architecture and the orientation. Churches were built for the glory of God since the Mass is a sacrifice and worship. In the aftermath of Vatican 2, the emphasis is less on worshipping God but on celebrating the assembly. The mentality became utilitarian and suddenly beauty and quality are not necessary anymore. Unless there is a reorientation in worship back to God, liturgists can change anything at their whim.

It is sad, per archeologue, that there is no provision for the retirement of priests. I used to think it funny that these retirable priests were sent to Carcar to accumulate savings. Now it is insulting, and to think that the cleric who assigns priests to parishes is supposedly from Carcar. I am not sure when the destruction in Carcar started, it would be wedding picutures over time that can tell, but I think it was in the 70s with a priest whose name started with a V. The destruction in the 90s happenned with the long reign of Gelbo*ling*. My friend heard him gush on how much money he collects in Carcar, compared to his previous assignments. He made the convento into a sari-sari store and sold beer. Antique dealers trooped up and down the stairs of the convento. One of his numerous niece-companions admitted to that abortionist-collector that they were too late. Gelbo*ling* had already sold the tables with ball and claw feet. Even Fr Varga, mentioned in the church a few months back how he recognized a table that he used in the convento. When peeked inside the table, he read his name that he scratched on it. Where did the pews go? Gelbo*ling*made tons of money touring the US for pew replacement donations. anyway, my rant for the day.

These acts of the clergy who treats Church property as their own are probably a consequence of a lack of accountability and proper inventory of church owned properties. This is probably a consequence of the discontinuance of the cargo y data system.

I remembered this quote that would be the reason for the priests:

"Churches here in the Philippines is like a living organism, they are susceptible to change by demand of the people unlike the empty churches of Europe. Why do heritage conservationists persist of imposing to save modifications of the Church? Are Philippine Catholic churches not alive and want to be like of their European counterparts? Dead?"

In other words, the church has the right to do modifications as it is a "living church" unlike the museums and "dead churches" of Europe which is of basis of the heritage conservationists.

I'll just withhold the name of the one whom I got this quote (and spoken with a few months ago)...mao na ang ila rason, most likely mao man na sa kapari-an.

I remembered this quote that would be the reason for the priests:

"Churches here in the Philippines is like a living organism, they are susceptible to change by demand of the people unlike the empty churches of Europe. Why do heritage conservationists persist of imposing to save modifications of the Church? Are Philippine Catholic churches not alive and want to be like of their European counterparts? Dead?"

In other words, the church has the right to do modifications as it is a "living church" unlike the museums and "dead churches" of Europe which is of basis of the heritage conservationists.

I'll just withhold the name of the one whom I got this quote (and spoken with a few months ago)...mao na ang ila rason, most likely mao man na sa kapari-an.

some use iron knives, others, lancets made of bamboo.

hehe.

i thought they used the "lusong ug alho" mortar and pestle to cut the foreskin. ay kasakit sa akong...bi bitiis:lol:

some use iron knives, others, lancets made of bamboo.

hehe.

i thought they used the "lusong ug alho" mortar and pestle to cut the foreskin. ay kasakit sa akong...bi bitiis:lol:

The cultural workers’ night
Trizer D. Mansueto

The evening of 14 December 2008 was a milestone for Cebu as cultural workers representing different organizations came together for the first time and had dinner at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu before proceeding to the Yap-Sandiego Residence in Parian, Cebu City to be entertained with cultural performances. Not long before that beautiful evening ended, Val Sandiego, a respected Cebuano cultural advocate, proposed the creation of a federation for all cultural workers in order to unify efforts to advance the cause of heritage.

The coming together of cultural workers was first conceived by Louella Eslao-Alix of the Cathedral Museum with some members of Taytayan, a group advocating the important role of Parian in Cebu’s history, during the Cathedral Museum’s second anniversary celebration last November.

The dinner held at the museum gathered such groups as Hambin, Taytayan, Cofradia de San Juan Bautista (also based in Parian), Skyscrapercity (an internet-based organization of cultural workers), Carcar Heritage Conservation Society and the Cathedral Museum curatorial board. After the dinner, the cultural workers were fetched by tartanillas (horse-drawn rigs) to the Yap-Sandiego residence for a special Christmas cultural presentation under the direction of Val Sandiego himself.

The cultural workers who graced the event included respected members of the academe like University of San Carlos professor emeritus Dr. Resil Mojares, Dr. Erlinda Alburo, director of the Cebuano Studies Center and Sociology and Anthropology chair Jojo Bersales. Msgr. Carlilto Pono and Fr. Brian Brigoli represented the Catholic hierarchy. Hambin members like Ernesto Chua, Jason Verallo, Ron Tan, Terry Camello also came. Dr. Louie Nacorda, Luz Mancao-Sandiego and Cookie Newman represented the Cofradia while Gil Maningo, Chilet Hermoso and Iris Inting represented Taytayan. I also spotted several members of Carcar Heritage Conservation Society like Vicky Ybañez and Tessie Bargayo. Skyscrapercity was represented by Lorens Gibb Lapinid, Mark Andrew Jorolan (who are both into heritage photography) and Arnold Carl Sancover, a registered nurse who dabbles into cultural work. Journalist Ahmed Cuizon was also there to give the rationale why a federation of cultural workers should be created. Rene Alburo and Rudy Alix also came to support their spouses. Prof. Alburo, my history mentor is the top honcho of the Cebu Provincial History Project while Rudy Alix, though he claims to be a mere supporter of the cause of heritage is actually a great inspiration and a driving (not just literally) force of the Cebu Archdiocesan Church Heritage Commission and the Cathedral Museum. Marichu Tayag and Atty. Teddy Piasidad, two aspiring Hambin members were also present. There were still other cultural workers whose names have escaped me at the moment. Many more organizations have expressed their desire to join the federation. The Barili Heritage Society had expressed interest and we expect other groups from the different towns to join soon.

Hopefully, when the federation shall have been realized and set into motion, cultural workers in Cebu would have more success in helping disseminate the importance of heritage preservation in every Cebuano. The proposed federation will also become a great force that will help lobby for the conservation of our surviving heritage structures that are either falling apart due to neglect or are being threatened to be torn down in the name of progress.

***

For pertinent discussions on heritage conservation or on Cebuano culture and history, visit the Cebuano Heritage Walk Thread in www.skyscrapercity.com. Another good source is www.cebuheritage.com. You can also visit the Cathedral Museum blog through www.cathedralmuseum.com.

Know what’s going on in the heritage movement in Cebu and get involved.

------

Heritage
Cebu Daily News
27 December 2008

The cultural workers’ night
Trizer D. Mansueto

The evening of 14 December 2008 was a milestone for Cebu as cultural workers representing different organizations came together for the first time and had dinner at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu before proceeding to the Yap-Sandiego Residence in Parian, Cebu City to be entertained with cultural performances. Not long before that beautiful evening ended, Val Sandiego, a respected Cebuano cultural advocate, proposed the creation of a federation for all cultural workers in order to unify efforts to advance the cause of heritage.

The coming together of cultural workers was first conceived by Louella Eslao-Alix of the Cathedral Museum with some members of Taytayan, a group advocating the important role of Parian in Cebu’s history, during the Cathedral Museum’s second anniversary celebration last November.

The dinner held at the museum gathered such groups as Hambin, Taytayan, Cofradia de San Juan Bautista (also based in Parian), Skyscrapercity (an internet-based organization of cultural workers), Carcar Heritage Conservation Society and the Cathedral Museum curatorial board. After the dinner, the cultural workers were fetched by tartanillas (horse-drawn rigs) to the Yap-Sandiego residence for a special Christmas cultural presentation under the direction of Val Sandiego himself.

The cultural workers who graced the event included respected members of the academe like University of San Carlos professor emeritus Dr. Resil Mojares, Dr. Erlinda Alburo, director of the Cebuano Studies Center and Sociology and Anthropology chair Jojo Bersales. Msgr. Carlilto Pono and Fr. Brian Brigoli represented the Catholic hierarchy. Hambin members like Ernesto Chua, Jason Verallo, Ron Tan, Terry Camello also came. Dr. Louie Nacorda, Luz Mancao-Sandiego and Cookie Newman represented the Cofradia while Gil Maningo, Chilet Hermoso and Iris Inting represented Taytayan. I also spotted several members of Carcar Heritage Conservation Society like Vicky Ybañez and Tessie Bargayo. Skyscrapercity was represented by Lorens Gibb Lapinid, Mark Andrew Jorolan (who are both into heritage photography) and Arnold Carl Sancover, a registered nurse who dabbles into cultural work. Journalist Ahmed Cuizon was also there to give the rationale why a federation of cultural workers should be created. Rene Alburo and Rudy Alix also came to support their spouses. Prof. Alburo, my history mentor is the top honcho of the Cebu Provincial History Project while Rudy Alix, though he claims to be a mere supporter of the cause of heritage is actually a great inspiration and a driving (not just literally) force of the Cebu Archdiocesan Church Heritage Commission and the Cathedral Museum. Marichu Tayag and Atty. Teddy Piasidad, two aspiring Hambin members were also present. There were still other cultural workers whose names have escaped me at the moment. Many more organizations have expressed their desire to join the federation. The Barili Heritage Society had expressed interest and we expect other groups from the different towns to join soon.

Hopefully, when the federation shall have been realized and set into motion, cultural workers in Cebu would have more success in helping disseminate the importance of heritage preservation in every Cebuano. The proposed federation will also become a great force that will help lobby for the conservation of our surviving heritage structures that are either falling apart due to neglect or are being threatened to be torn down in the name of progress.

***

For pertinent discussions on heritage conservation or on Cebuano culture and history, visit the Cebuano Heritage Walk Thread in www.skyscrapercity.com. Another good source is www.cebuheritage.com. You can also visit the Cathedral Museum blog through www.cathedralmuseum.com.

Know what’s going on in the heritage movement in Cebu and get involved.

------

Heritage
Cebu Daily News
27 December 2008

I remembered this quote that would be the reason for the priests:

"Churches here in the Philippines is like a living organism, they are susceptible to change by demand of the people unlike the empty churches of Europe. Why do heritage conservationists persist of imposing to save modifications of the Church? Are Philippine Catholic churches not alive and want to be like of their European counterparts? Dead?"

In other words, the church has the right to do modifications as it is a "living church" unlike the museums and "dead churches" of Europe which is of basis of the heritage conservationists.

I'll just withhold the name of the one whom I got this quote (and spoken with a few months ago)...mao na ang ila rason, most likely mao man na sa kapari-an.

didto sa thread 6 naa to comments about projects and wawarts. Motan-aw ko sa ANC kanang mga senate hearings about ZTE and fertilizer now, mga 8 years ago parte ug jueteng, seems all sides have their "nice stories to tell".
Maayo ta no kung dili lang sad ni nice story para maka...

I remembered this quote that would be the reason for the priests:

"Churches here in the Philippines is like a living organism, they are susceptible to change by demand of the people unlike the empty churches of Europe. Why do heritage conservationists persist of imposing to save modifications of the Church? Are Philippine Catholic churches not alive and want to be like of their European counterparts? Dead?"

In other words, the church has the right to do modifications as it is a "living church" unlike the museums and "dead churches" of Europe which is of basis of the heritage conservationists.

I'll just withhold the name of the one whom I got this quote (and spoken with a few months ago)...mao na ang ila rason, most likely mao man na sa kapari-an.

didto sa thread 6 naa to comments about projects and wawarts. Motan-aw ko sa ANC kanang mga senate hearings about ZTE and fertilizer now, mga 8 years ago parte ug jueteng, seems all sides have their "nice stories to tell".
Maayo ta no kung dili lang sad ni nice story para maka...

regarding pre-hispanic trade activities in Cebu, unsa diay nga mga produkto ang gipang-'palit' sa mga intsik ug uban pa gikan sa Cebu?

regarding pre-hispanic trade activities in Cebu, unsa diay nga mga produkto ang gipang-'palit' sa mga intsik ug uban pa gikan sa Cebu?

nope. the Americans themselves were never cirucmcised, or at least only a few states required circumcision. i know this for a fact.

if circumcision were introduced by the Americans, the word "tuli" would probably not have entered our vocabulary. we would have pidginized the word "circumcision" the way we call refrigerators as "fridgidaire" or toothpase as "Colgate" becuse we have no existing words in the native language for these. thus, the first product or practice that is subsumed into the cultural milieu becomes the ultimate term for a genera of similar items/practices.

in page 25 of Barangay, William Henry Scott, writing on the basis of early missionary accounts and reports says:

"The practice of cirumcision was widespread in the Visayas. It was called tuli and was technically supercision rather than circumcision---that is, cut lengthwise above rather than cut around. (If the prepuce was actually removed, the act was called girlo, the same term used for cutting off a piece of a pig's ear for identification purposes.) The uncircumcised were called pisot, an unripe or green fruit, a term which was also a polite euphemism for the female parts...

...Spanish missionaries were quick to conclude that the custom had been introduced by their Muslim competitors, as it probably had been in some areas, but Visayans claimed that their custom was of indigenous origin predating any contact with Islam---and so did circumcised natives of Guam."

OT: hehehe! if i would have given a choice then, i prefer not to be circumsized! i like it to be natural.. and they said that the uncircumcised has more sensation and pleasure compared to those who have...hehehe!

nope. the Americans themselves were never cirucmcised, or at least only a few states required circumcision. i know this for a fact.

if circumcision were introduced by the Americans, the word "tuli" would probably not have entered our vocabulary. we would have pidginized the word "circumcision" the way we call refrigerators as "fridgidaire" or toothpase as "Colgate" becuse we have no existing words in the native language for these. thus, the first product or practice that is subsumed into the cultural milieu becomes the ultimate term for a genera of similar items/practices.

in page 25 of Barangay, William Henry Scott, writing on the basis of early missionary accounts and reports says:

"The practice of cirumcision was widespread in the Visayas. It was called tuli and was technically supercision rather than circumcision---that is, cut lengthwise above rather than cut around. (If the prepuce was actually removed, the act was called girlo, the same term used for cutting off a piece of a pig's ear for identification purposes.) The uncircumcised were called pisot, an unripe or green fruit, a term which was also a polite euphemism for the female parts...

...Spanish missionaries were quick to conclude that the custom had been introduced by their Muslim competitors, as it probably had been in some areas, but Visayans claimed that their custom was of indigenous origin predating any contact with Islam---and so did circumcised natives of Guam."

OT: hehehe! if i would have given a choice then, i prefer not to be circumsized! i like it to be natural.. and they said that the uncircumcised has more sensation and pleasure compared to those who have...hehehe!

regarding pre-hispanic trade activities in Cebu, unsa diay nga mga produkto ang gipang-'palit' sa mga intsik ug uban pa gikan sa Cebu?


According to early explorers and missionaries:

Gold
Cotton 'bisaya'
Millet kabog
Beeswax and honey
Cinnamon
Rice
Pork

regarding pre-hispanic trade activities in Cebu, unsa diay nga mga produkto ang gipang-'palit' sa mga intsik ug uban pa gikan sa Cebu?


According to early explorers and missionaries:

Gold
Cotton 'bisaya'
Millet kabog
Beeswax and honey
Cinnamon
Rice
Pork

OT: hehehe! if i would have given a choice then, i prefer not to be circumsized! i like it to be natural.. and they said that the uncircumcised has more sensation and pleasure compared to those who have...hehehe!

but there those who say that there is a high preponderance for sexually-transmitted infections and cervical cancers (on women) caused or easily transmitted by uncircumcised penises.

there are also reports that the uncircumcised may also get HIV-AIDS more easily than those who are cut. this may explain why there is a low level of HIV cases among males in the country, well, except the most vulnerable sector: seafarers.

the cut is cleaner than the uncut.

OT: hehehe! if i would have given a choice then, i prefer not to be circumsized! i like it to be natural.. and they said that the uncircumcised has more sensation and pleasure compared to those who have...hehehe!

but there those who say that there is a high preponderance for sexually-transmitted infections and cervical cancers (on women) caused or easily transmitted by uncircumcised penises.

there are also reports that the uncircumcised may also get HIV-AIDS more easily than those who are cut. this may explain why there is a low level of HIV cases among males in the country, well, except the most vulnerable sector: seafarers.

the cut is cleaner than the uncut.

I remembered this quote that would be the reason for the priests:

"Churches here in the Philippines is like a living organism, they are susceptible to change by demand of the people unlike the empty churches of Europe. Why do heritage conservationists persist of imposing to save modifications of the Church? Are Philippine Catholic churches not alive and want to be like of their European counterparts? Dead?"

In other words, the church has the right to do modifications as it is a "living church" unlike the museums and "dead churches" of Europe which is of basis of the heritage conservationists.

I'll just withhold the name of the one whom I got this quote (and spoken with a few months ago)...mao na ang ila rason, most likely mao man na sa kapari-an.


hmm...luoya sad oi, childish raman kayo iyang rason. abi kay alive man atong mga simbahan ngari kay kailangan nang magusab-usab:lol: makaamgo ta cya nga ang kalihokan ug participacion sa mga tao sa actividades sa simbahan maoy importante ug maoy maghatag ug kinabuhi sa simbahan

I remembered this quote that would be the reason for the priests:

"Churches here in the Philippines is like a living organism, they are susceptible to change by demand of the people unlike the empty churches of Europe. Why do heritage conservationists persist of imposing to save modifications of the Church? Are Philippine Catholic churches not alive and want to be like of their European counterparts? Dead?"

In other words, the church has the right to do modifications as it is a "living church" unlike the museums and "dead churches" of Europe which is of basis of the heritage conservationists.

I'll just withhold the name of the one whom I got this quote (and spoken with a few months ago)...mao na ang ila rason, most likely mao man na sa kapari-an.


hmm...luoya sad oi, childish raman kayo iyang rason. abi kay alive man atong mga simbahan ngari kay kailangan nang magusab-usab:lol: makaamgo ta cya nga ang kalihokan ug participacion sa mga tao sa actividades sa simbahan maoy importante ug maoy maghatag ug kinabuhi sa simbahan

but there those who say that there is a high preponderance for sexually-transmitted infections and cervical cancers (on women) caused or easily transmitted by uncircumcised penises.

there are also reports that the uncircumcised may also get HIV-AIDS more easily than those who are cut. this may explain why there is a low level of HIV cases among males in the country, well, except the most vulnerable sector: seafarers.

the cut is cleaner than the uncut.

its a matter of hygiene...if you dont clean then it will be dirty...about HIV_AIDS on the uncircumcised, its still a myth...the contact of bodily fluids specially Semen and blood are still the basis of getting infected with HIV-AIDS, not because you are circumcised or uncircumcised....

but there those who say that there is a high preponderance for sexually-transmitted infections and cervical cancers (on women) caused or easily transmitted by uncircumcised penises.

there are also reports that the uncircumcised may also get HIV-AIDS more easily than those who are cut. this may explain why there is a low level of HIV cases among males in the country, well, except the most vulnerable sector: seafarers.

the cut is cleaner than the uncut.

its a matter of hygiene...if you dont clean then it will be dirty...about HIV_AIDS on the uncircumcised, its still a myth...the contact of bodily fluids specially Semen and blood are still the basis of getting infected with HIV-AIDS, not because you are circumcised or uncircumcised....

According to early explorers and missionaries:

Gold
Cotton 'bisaya'
Millet kabog
Beeswax and honey
Cinnamon
Rice
Pork

where in cebu are the present millet plantations?

According to early explorers and missionaries:

Gold
Cotton 'bisaya'
Millet kabog
Beeswax and honey
Cinnamon
Rice
Pork

where in cebu are the present millet plantations?

where in cebu are the present millet plantations?

At present i cud point none...

pero kani-adto bisan ang environ sa Parian dunay Tanaman...

Banilad is all but plantation as wll as Talisay

where in cebu are the present millet plantations?

At present i cud point none...

pero kani-adto bisan ang environ sa Parian dunay Tanaman...

Banilad is all but plantation as wll as Talisay

where in cebu are the present millet plantations?

there are no plantations oi...large-scale agricultural production na man na.


family farms lang which is the mark of subsistence agriculture in the pre-hispanic era. lisud kaayo na lubkon ang kabog. you have to cover the mortar kay gaan kaayo and molupad jud ang mga lugas.

in the past, they were all over the Visayas because this (not just rice) was also the staple food of Bisayans.

but today you find small upland farms or plots in Catmon, Sogod and Borbon.

below are photos from a roadside plot i chanced upon in july in the uplands of Catmon:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/kabogfarmcatmon.jpg




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/kabog.jpg

where in cebu are the present millet plantations?

there are no plantations oi...large-scale agricultural production na man na.


family farms lang which is the mark of subsistence agriculture in the pre-hispanic era. lisud kaayo na lubkon ang kabog. you have to cover the mortar kay gaan kaayo and molupad jud ang mga lugas.

in the past, they were all over the Visayas because this (not just rice) was also the staple food of Bisayans.

but today you find small upland farms or plots in Catmon, Sogod and Borbon.

below are photos from a roadside plot i chanced upon in july in the uplands of Catmon:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/kabogfarmcatmon.jpg




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/kabog.jpg

there are no plantations oi...large-scale agricultural production na man na.

in the past, they were all over the Visayas because this (not just rice) was also the staple food of Bisayans.

but today you find small upland farms or plots in Catmon, Sogod and Borbon.

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"Catmon, Sogod and Borbon" mao ning mga lugara nga daghan bodbod kabog. Sa Asturias naa sa'y bibinka kabog. Not so sure if naa ba sad small scale farming sa Asturias or are these transported from the 3 towns. Dili sad ko kasiguro kung kinsa'y naka-una sa kabog bibinka, ang Dumaguete ba o ang Asturias.

there are no plantations oi...large-scale agricultural production na man na.

in the past, they were all over the Visayas because this (not just rice) was also the staple food of Bisayans.

but today you find small upland farms or plots in Catmon, Sogod and Borbon.

[/IMG]


"Catmon, Sogod and Borbon" mao ning mga lugara nga daghan bodbod kabog. Sa Asturias naa sa'y bibinka kabog. Not so sure if naa ba sad small scale farming sa Asturias or are these transported from the 3 towns. Dili sad ko kasiguro kung kinsa'y naka-una sa kabog bibinka, ang Dumaguete ba o ang Asturias.

Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.

Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.

Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.


mahal jud bitaw...and not for one person lang...hehehe...so you saw the etched glass of a long-gone softdrink company? nice no?

Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.


mahal jud bitaw...and not for one person lang...hehehe...so you saw the etched glass of a long-gone softdrink company? nice no?

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City library to close


By Jully Venus Cuizon
Cebu Daily News

Posted date: December 30, 2008


CEBU CITY, Philippines - Cebu City will soon lose its only public library, named after the national hero Jose Rizal, whose death anniversary is celebrated Tuesday.
The 69-year-old Rizal Memorial Library on Osmeña Boulevard will be closed next month to give way to a government museum.

“After the Sinulog celebration, the library will be closed in order to further renovate its second floor and convert it to a cultural museum,” said Joy Augustus Young, Cebu City consultant on education.

The change, which carries the approval of Acting Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama, comes after months of internal discussion over the fate of the library, which has been downsized over the years amid a dwindling budget priority and resources.

No public hearing or consultation in the City Council has been called yet to discuss the change, which was privy to a few officials.

The structure, a pre-World War II heritage site with its neoclassical architecture, was built in 1939 through fundraising efforts of citizens and later, the Cebu provincial government, the original owner of the property.

Where will the library go?

The long-term plan is to set up satellite libraries in public schools in the city.

In 2009, the city will put up two library “hubs” as part of a program of the Department of Education (DepEd) – one in Don Carlos Gothong Memorial National High School in Barangay (village) San Nicolas and another in Zapatera Elementary School in Barangay Zapatera.

The plan to split the public library into two smaller hubs tucked in public schools is disheartening news for students, senior citizens, visitors and other library patrons, who drop by the air-conditioned ground floor to read books and newspapers for free or attend occasional lectures and children read-along sessions of the Zonta Club.

A group of citizens called the Friends of the Cebu City Public Library has been meeting monthly and trying to gather book donations, some from civic clubs in the United Status. The fate of the library has been a recurring topic of discussion among worried club members.

Acting Mayor Rama, who heads the Cebu City Historical and Cultural Commission (Chac), confirmed he was involved in the plan to close down the library. He said it will be renovated and converted into a museum of art to exhibit work of Cebuano artists.

The Chac maintains an office in one wing of the building and may eventually house the office of the Sinulog Foundation, which Rama heads.

The third floor has already been renovated into a “Sinulog Hall.”

Since most of the books in the city library are owned by the National Museum, the books will be returned to the national government unless permission is given to donate the books to the “satellite” libraries.

The staff will be absorbed by the Cebu City Schools Division, said Consultant Young.

Rosario Chua, acting chief of Cebu City Public Library, said the library does not only cater to students doing research for school assignments. There are also foreigners and tourists who go to the library to learn more about the history of Cebu.

One advantage is the library's central location on Osmeña Boulevard, walking distance from Fuente Osmeña and easily reached by jeepney or taxi.

The Rizal library has books about Cebu's history and culture as well as a collection of antiques donated by prominent Cebuano families, Chua said. Some artwork by Cebuano painters are also displayed inside.

While the library lacks books, it does not mean that the library has not served its purpose, said Chua, who has been working with the city library for 27 years or since 1981.

“Some of our books have historical significance both local and national. We have an Internet connection and are part of the Philippine E-library, so we are also updated,” Chua said.

Auditorium

The library used to occupy two floors.

Today, the second floor has empty rooms intended for art exhibits but is too small to display various paintings and memorabilia accumulated over decades under the auspices of the Chac.

The third floor houses the Sinulog Hall which looks like a mini-auditorium. Its stage and 116-square-meter area are rented out by the city government for use for programs.

Consultant Young said students have nothing to worry.

He promised to put up a satellite public library in every public school in the city. There are 67 public elementary schools and 60 public high schools spread in 80 barangays in Cebu City.

“Our public libraries have outdated books. We lack facilities and it is far from the people,” he said.

Young said with satellite libraries anyone can access the resources because these would be put up in public schools.

Consultant Young said Chua and her staff members will be absorbed by the Cebu City Schools Division to facilitate the setting up of satellite libraries in the city public schools.

The DepEd has pledged to give P1 million and 20,000 books to the Cebu City government if it would up one library hub. Two hubs would mean support worth P2 million and 40,000 books.





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City library to close


By Jully Venus Cuizon
Cebu Daily News

Posted date: December 30, 2008


CEBU CITY, Philippines - Cebu City will soon lose its only public library, named after the national hero Jose Rizal, whose death anniversary is celebrated Tuesday.
The 69-year-old Rizal Memorial Library on Osmeña Boulevard will be closed next month to give way to a government museum.

“After the Sinulog celebration, the library will be closed in order to further renovate its second floor and convert it to a cultural museum,” said Joy Augustus Young, Cebu City consultant on education.

The change, which carries the approval of Acting Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama, comes after months of internal discussion over the fate of the library, which has been downsized over the years amid a dwindling budget priority and resources.

No public hearing or consultation in the City Council has been called yet to discuss the change, which was privy to a few officials.

The structure, a pre-World War II heritage site with its neoclassical architecture, was built in 1939 through fundraising efforts of citizens and later, the Cebu provincial government, the original owner of the property.

Where will the library go?

The long-term plan is to set up satellite libraries in public schools in the city.

In 2009, the city will put up two library “hubs” as part of a program of the Department of Education (DepEd) – one in Don Carlos Gothong Memorial National High School in Barangay (village) San Nicolas and another in Zapatera Elementary School in Barangay Zapatera.

The plan to split the public library into two smaller hubs tucked in public schools is disheartening news for students, senior citizens, visitors and other library patrons, who drop by the air-conditioned ground floor to read books and newspapers for free or attend occasional lectures and children read-along sessions of the Zonta Club.

A group of citizens called the Friends of the Cebu City Public Library has been meeting monthly and trying to gather book donations, some from civic clubs in the United Status. The fate of the library has been a recurring topic of discussion among worried club members.

Acting Mayor Rama, who heads the Cebu City Historical and Cultural Commission (Chac), confirmed he was involved in the plan to close down the library. He said it will be renovated and converted into a museum of art to exhibit work of Cebuano artists.

The Chac maintains an office in one wing of the building and may eventually house the office of the Sinulog Foundation, which Rama heads.

The third floor has already been renovated into a “Sinulog Hall.”

Since most of the books in the city library are owned by the National Museum, the books will be returned to the national government unless permission is given to donate the books to the “satellite” libraries.

The staff will be absorbed by the Cebu City Schools Division, said Consultant Young.

Rosario Chua, acting chief of Cebu City Public Library, said the library does not only cater to students doing research for school assignments. There are also foreigners and tourists who go to the library to learn more about the history of Cebu.

One advantage is the library's central location on Osmeña Boulevard, walking distance from Fuente Osmeña and easily reached by jeepney or taxi.

The Rizal library has books about Cebu's history and culture as well as a collection of antiques donated by prominent Cebuano families, Chua said. Some artwork by Cebuano painters are also displayed inside.

While the library lacks books, it does not mean that the library has not served its purpose, said Chua, who has been working with the city library for 27 years or since 1981.

“Some of our books have historical significance both local and national. We have an Internet connection and are part of the Philippine E-library, so we are also updated,” Chua said.

Auditorium

The library used to occupy two floors.

Today, the second floor has empty rooms intended for art exhibits but is too small to display various paintings and memorabilia accumulated over decades under the auspices of the Chac.

The third floor houses the Sinulog Hall which looks like a mini-auditorium. Its stage and 116-square-meter area are rented out by the city government for use for programs.

Consultant Young said students have nothing to worry.

He promised to put up a satellite public library in every public school in the city. There are 67 public elementary schools and 60 public high schools spread in 80 barangays in Cebu City.

“Our public libraries have outdated books. We lack facilities and it is far from the people,” he said.

Young said with satellite libraries anyone can access the resources because these would be put up in public schools.

Consultant Young said Chua and her staff members will be absorbed by the Cebu City Schools Division to facilitate the setting up of satellite libraries in the city public schools.

The DepEd has pledged to give P1 million and 20,000 books to the Cebu City government if it would up one library hub. Two hubs would mean support worth P2 million and 40,000 books.





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Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.

i love that food shop jud carl.. anha mi permi mangaon labi na sa unang pananhon after simba sa santo nino or sa recoleto. hangtud na nag college ko sa san jose. and if naa ko diha sa atua, tuyoon jud na nako og adtu. maki and makimi are in the list of the foods i grow up with. although they have renovated the place (not the same interior anymore, they have expanded it but somewhat same set up), the menu and the taste is still the same. the prices escalated though.

Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.

i love that food shop jud carl.. anha mi permi mangaon labi na sa unang pananhon after simba sa santo nino or sa recoleto. hangtud na nag college ko sa san jose. and if naa ko diha sa atua, tuyoon jud na nako og adtu. maki and makimi are in the list of the foods i grow up with. although they have renovated the place (not the same interior anymore, they have expanded it but somewhat same set up), the menu and the taste is still the same. the prices escalated though.

^^ nice idea of "satellite libraries" than concentrated in one place...but IMO, it's always nice for a city with a central library...i hope they'll build a nice library building

...i like the proposed library building in Pasig City...here:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/3149389670_6399ef4595.jpg?v=0

^^ nice idea of "satellite libraries" than concentrated in one place...but IMO, it's always nice for a city with a central library...i hope they'll build a nice library building

...i like the proposed library building in Pasig City...here:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/3149389670_6399ef4595.jpg?v=0

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City library to close


By Jully Venus Cuizon
Cebu Daily News

Posted date: December 30, 2008


CEBU CITY, Philippines - Cebu City will soon lose its only public library, named after the national hero Jose Rizal, whose death anniversary is celebrated Tuesday.
The 69-year-old Rizal Memorial Library on Osmeña Boulevard will be closed next month to give way to a government museum.

“After the Sinulog celebration, the library will be closed in order to further renovate its second floor and convert it to a cultural museum,” said Joy Augustus Young, Cebu City consultant on education.

The change, which carries the approval of Acting Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama, comes after months of internal discussion over the fate of the library, which has been downsized over the years amid a dwindling budget priority and resources.

No public hearing or consultation in the City Council has been called yet to discuss the change, which was privy to a few officials.

The structure, a pre-World War II heritage site with its neoclassical architecture, was built in 1939 through fundraising efforts of citizens and later, the Cebu provincial government, the original owner of the property.

Where will the library go?

The long-term plan is to set up satellite libraries in public schools in the city.

In 2009, the city will put up two library “hubs” as part of a program of the Department of Education (DepEd) – one in Don Carlos Gothong Memorial National High School in Barangay (village) San Nicolas and another in Zapatera Elementary School in Barangay Zapatera.

The plan to split the public library into two smaller hubs tucked in public schools is disheartening news for students, senior citizens, visitors and other library patrons, who drop by the air-conditioned ground floor to read books and newspapers for free or attend occasional lectures and children read-along sessions of the Zonta Club.

A group of citizens called the Friends of the Cebu City Public Library has been meeting monthly and trying to gather book donations, some from civic clubs in the United Status. The fate of the library has been a recurring topic of discussion among worried club members.

Acting Mayor Rama, who heads the Cebu City Historical and Cultural Commission (Chac), confirmed he was involved in the plan to close down the library. He said it will be renovated and converted into a museum of art to exhibit work of Cebuano artists.

The Chac maintains an office in one wing of the building and may eventually house the office of the Sinulog Foundation, which Rama heads.

The third floor has already been renovated into a “Sinulog Hall.”

Since most of the books in the city library are owned by the National Museum, the books will be returned to the national government unless permission is given to donate the books to the “satellite” libraries.

The staff will be absorbed by the Cebu City Schools Division, said Consultant Young.

Rosario Chua, acting chief of Cebu City Public Library, said the library does not only cater to students doing research for school assignments. There are also foreigners and tourists who go to the library to learn more about the history of Cebu.

One advantage is the library's central location on Osmeña Boulevard, walking distance from Fuente Osmeña and easily reached by jeepney or taxi.

The Rizal library has books about Cebu's history and culture as well as a collection of antiques donated by prominent Cebuano families, Chua said. Some artwork by Cebuano painters are also displayed inside.

While the library lacks books, it does not mean that the library has not served its purpose, said Chua, who has been working with the city library for 27 years or since 1981.

“Some of our books have historical significance both local and national. We have an Internet connection and are part of the Philippine E-library, so we are also updated,” Chua said.

Auditorium

The library used to occupy two floors.

Today, the second floor has empty rooms intended for art exhibits but is too small to display various paintings and memorabilia accumulated over decades under the auspices of the Chac.

The third floor houses the Sinulog Hall which looks like a mini-auditorium. Its stage and 116-square-meter area are rented out by the city government for use for programs.

Consultant Young said students have nothing to worry.

He promised to put up a satellite public library in every public school in the city. There are 67 public elementary schools and 60 public high schools spread in 80 barangays in Cebu City.

“Our public libraries have outdated books. We lack facilities and it is far from the people,” he said.

Young said with satellite libraries anyone can access the resources because these would be put up in public schools.

Consultant Young said Chua and her staff members will be absorbed by the Cebu City Schools Division to facilitate the setting up of satellite libraries in the city public schools.

The DepEd has pledged to give P1 million and 20,000 books to the Cebu City government if it would up one library hub. Two hubs would mean support worth P2 million and 40,000 books.





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I hope Cebu City will build a new public Library which is bigger and is centrally located with a modern contemporary design...one location i could suggest is across the santo rosaryo church where the demolished annex building of central bank was located, because it is center to most universities in the downtown and uptown area and just a walking distance from the city central school...:)

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City library to close


By Jully Venus Cuizon
Cebu Daily News

Posted date: December 30, 2008


CEBU CITY, Philippines - Cebu City will soon lose its only public library, named after the national hero Jose Rizal, whose death anniversary is celebrated Tuesday.
The 69-year-old Rizal Memorial Library on Osmeña Boulevard will be closed next month to give way to a government museum.

“After the Sinulog celebration, the library will be closed in order to further renovate its second floor and convert it to a cultural museum,” said Joy Augustus Young, Cebu City consultant on education.

The change, which carries the approval of Acting Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama, comes after months of internal discussion over the fate of the library, which has been downsized over the years amid a dwindling budget priority and resources.

No public hearing or consultation in the City Council has been called yet to discuss the change, which was privy to a few officials.

The structure, a pre-World War II heritage site with its neoclassical architecture, was built in 1939 through fundraising efforts of citizens and later, the Cebu provincial government, the original owner of the property.

Where will the library go?

The long-term plan is to set up satellite libraries in public schools in the city.

In 2009, the city will put up two library “hubs” as part of a program of the Department of Education (DepEd) – one in Don Carlos Gothong Memorial National High School in Barangay (village) San Nicolas and another in Zapatera Elementary School in Barangay Zapatera.

The plan to split the public library into two smaller hubs tucked in public schools is disheartening news for students, senior citizens, visitors and other library patrons, who drop by the air-conditioned ground floor to read books and newspapers for free or attend occasional lectures and children read-along sessions of the Zonta Club.

A group of citizens called the Friends of the Cebu City Public Library has been meeting monthly and trying to gather book donations, some from civic clubs in the United Status. The fate of the library has been a recurring topic of discussion among worried club members.

Acting Mayor Rama, who heads the Cebu City Historical and Cultural Commission (Chac), confirmed he was involved in the plan to close down the library. He said it will be renovated and converted into a museum of art to exhibit work of Cebuano artists.

The Chac maintains an office in one wing of the building and may eventually house the office of the Sinulog Foundation, which Rama heads.

The third floor has already been renovated into a “Sinulog Hall.”

Since most of the books in the city library are owned by the National Museum, the books will be returned to the national government unless permission is given to donate the books to the “satellite” libraries.

The staff will be absorbed by the Cebu City Schools Division, said Consultant Young.

Rosario Chua, acting chief of Cebu City Public Library, said the library does not only cater to students doing research for school assignments. There are also foreigners and tourists who go to the library to learn more about the history of Cebu.

One advantage is the library's central location on Osmeña Boulevard, walking distance from Fuente Osmeña and easily reached by jeepney or taxi.

The Rizal library has books about Cebu's history and culture as well as a collection of antiques donated by prominent Cebuano families, Chua said. Some artwork by Cebuano painters are also displayed inside.

While the library lacks books, it does not mean that the library has not served its purpose, said Chua, who has been working with the city library for 27 years or since 1981.

“Some of our books have historical significance both local and national. We have an Internet connection and are part of the Philippine E-library, so we are also updated,” Chua said.

Auditorium

The library used to occupy two floors.

Today, the second floor has empty rooms intended for art exhibits but is too small to display various paintings and memorabilia accumulated over decades under the auspices of the Chac.

The third floor houses the Sinulog Hall which looks like a mini-auditorium. Its stage and 116-square-meter area are rented out by the city government for use for programs.

Consultant Young said students have nothing to worry.

He promised to put up a satellite public library in every public school in the city. There are 67 public elementary schools and 60 public high schools spread in 80 barangays in Cebu City.

“Our public libraries have outdated books. We lack facilities and it is far from the people,” he said.

Young said with satellite libraries anyone can access the resources because these would be put up in public schools.

Consultant Young said Chua and her staff members will be absorbed by the Cebu City Schools Division to facilitate the setting up of satellite libraries in the city public schools.

The DepEd has pledged to give P1 million and 20,000 books to the Cebu City government if it would up one library hub. Two hubs would mean support worth P2 million and 40,000 books.





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I hope Cebu City will build a new public Library which is bigger and is centrally located with a modern contemporary design...one location i could suggest is across the santo rosaryo church where the demolished annex building of central bank was located, because it is center to most universities in the downtown and uptown area and just a walking distance from the city central school...:)

Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.

Wa man ka manawag oi... last time i ate there was in the early 80s pa...
I hope ma-o ra gihapon ang templada sa pancit canton and makimi.. he he he

Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.

Wa man ka manawag oi... last time i ate there was in the early 80s pa...
I hope ma-o ra gihapon ang templada sa pancit canton and makimi.. he he he

^^ unsa pay lain specialty nila nold? unsay imo gikaon didto?

^^ unsa pay lain specialty nila nold? unsay imo gikaon didto?

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City library to close

By Jully Venus Cuizon
Cebu Daily News

Posted date: December 30, 2008

.....

No public hearing or consultation in the City Council has been called yet to discuss the change, which was privy to a few officials.

....



...... and who would challenge the "wisdom" of CHAC? ha ha ha

I hope the lepidoptera mosaic of Jumalon depicting the old Colon Street is
still there.

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City library to close

By Jully Venus Cuizon
Cebu Daily News

Posted date: December 30, 2008

.....

No public hearing or consultation in the City Council has been called yet to discuss the change, which was privy to a few officials.

....



...... and who would challenge the "wisdom" of CHAC? ha ha ha

I hope the lepidoptera mosaic of Jumalon depicting the old Colon Street is
still there.

mahal jud bitaw...and not for one person lang...hehehe...so you saw the etched glass of a long-gone softdrink company? nice no?

Yup, yup naa siya.. nice ui.

i love that food shop jud carl.. anha mi permi mangaon labi na sa unang pananhon after simba sa santo nino or sa recoleto. hangtud na nag college ko sa san jose. and if naa ko diha sa atua, tuyoon jud na nako og adtu. maki and makimi are in the list of the foods i grow up with. although they have renovated the place (not the same interior anymore, they have expanded it but somewhat same set up), the menu and the taste is still the same. the prices escalated though.

Mahal jud Glenn. Karaan jud siya ui, hasta ang interior kay humot karaan, mura pod ug nanimaho ug yuta, hahaha, di bitaw, murag pina 80s ang look niya.. Murag nabiyaan sa panahon, hahaha.

Wa man ka manawag oi... last time i ate there was in the early 80s pa...
I hope ma-o ra gihapon ang templada sa pancit canton and makimi.. he he he

Kalit ma tu. Hehe, naa koy lakaw sa downtown unya nakahunahuna ko ug hapit didto. Late afternoon na.

^^ unsa pay lain specialty nila nold? unsay imo gikaon didto?

Nakalimot na baya ko.. Basta siopao ra jud tawn akong gi order. Mao ray barato. Mahal man ilang mga putahe, mura rakag nikaon ug aircon na restaurant ba. Abi nako ug pina carenderia ang presyo, dili man diay.

mahal jud bitaw...and not for one person lang...hehehe...so you saw the etched glass of a long-gone softdrink company? nice no?

Yup, yup naa siya.. nice ui.

i love that food shop jud carl.. anha mi permi mangaon labi na sa unang pananhon after simba sa santo nino or sa recoleto. hangtud na nag college ko sa san jose. and if naa ko diha sa atua, tuyoon jud na nako og adtu. maki and makimi are in the list of the foods i grow up with. although they have renovated the place (not the same interior anymore, they have expanded it but somewhat same set up), the menu and the taste is still the same. the prices escalated though.

Mahal jud Glenn. Karaan jud siya ui, hasta ang interior kay humot karaan, mura pod ug nanimaho ug yuta, hahaha, di bitaw, murag pina 80s ang look niya.. Murag nabiyaan sa panahon, hahaha.

Wa man ka manawag oi... last time i ate there was in the early 80s pa...
I hope ma-o ra gihapon ang templada sa pancit canton and makimi.. he he he

Kalit ma tu. Hehe, naa koy lakaw sa downtown unya nakahunahuna ko ug hapit didto. Late afternoon na.

^^ unsa pay lain specialty nila nold? unsay imo gikaon didto?

Nakalimot na baya ko.. Basta siopao ra jud tawn akong gi order. Mao ray barato. Mahal man ilang mga putahe, mura rakag nikaon ug aircon na restaurant ba. Abi nako ug pina carenderia ang presyo, dili man diay.

I dunno if I remember this right but I think I read somewhere that this edifice along Osmeña blvd. -- named Rizal Memorial Library and Museum -- was built through the efforts of a Rizalista/Rizalian group.



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City library to close


By Jully Venus Cuizon
Cebu Daily News

Posted date: December 30, 2008


CEBU CITY, Philippines - Cebu City will soon lose its only public library, named after the national hero Jose Rizal, whose death anniversary is celebrated Tuesday.
The 69-year-old Rizal Memorial Library on Osmeña Boulevard will be closed next month to give way to a government museum.

“After the Sinulog celebration, the library will be closed in order to further renovate its second floor and convert it to a cultural museum,” said Joy Augustus Young, Cebu City consultant on education.

I dunno if I remember this right but I think I read somewhere that this edifice along Osmeña blvd. -- named Rizal Memorial Library and Museum -- was built through the efforts of a Rizalista/Rizalian group.



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City library to close


By Jully Venus Cuizon
Cebu Daily News

Posted date: December 30, 2008


CEBU CITY, Philippines - Cebu City will soon lose its only public library, named after the national hero Jose Rizal, whose death anniversary is celebrated Tuesday.
The 69-year-old Rizal Memorial Library on Osmeña Boulevard will be closed next month to give way to a government museum.

“After the Sinulog celebration, the library will be closed in order to further renovate its second floor and convert it to a cultural museum,” said Joy Augustus Young, Cebu City consultant on education.

...... and who would challenge the "wisdom" of CHAC? ha ha ha





exactly! these people at CHAC think they are the gods of culture and heritage! tsk3X!

...... and who would challenge the "wisdom" of CHAC? ha ha ha





exactly! these people at CHAC think they are the gods of culture and heritage! tsk3X!

old houses along Gen. Echavez, Ramos Area, downtown area and all the old houses in cebu city. i hope that those houses will be renovated because they reprsent the past of cebu city and truly shows the heritage of cebu. if those houses would just be left to rot and be replaced by new style houses or other buildings it like erasing our past. so i hope those houses would be renovated like the ones in ilo-ilo.
wala lng koy pictures kay bati ang aku cam

old houses along Gen. Echavez, Ramos Area, downtown area and all the old houses in cebu city. i hope that those houses will be renovated because they reprsent the past of cebu city and truly shows the heritage of cebu. if those houses would just be left to rot and be replaced by new style houses or other buildings it like erasing our past. so i hope those houses would be renovated like the ones in ilo-ilo.
wala lng koy pictures kay bati ang aku cam

...... and who would challenge the "wisdom" of CHAC? ha ha ha

I hope the lepidoptera mosaic of Jumalon depicting the old Colon Street is
still there.

naa pa kaha pud to mga sculpture ni Roman Sarmiento (usa sa mga bantugang iskultor sa Carcar)? Kung dili na sila adto ihatag nalang kaha nila sa Carcar Museum.

...... and who would challenge the "wisdom" of CHAC? ha ha ha

I hope the lepidoptera mosaic of Jumalon depicting the old Colon Street is
still there.

naa pa kaha pud to mga sculpture ni Roman Sarmiento (usa sa mga bantugang iskultor sa Carcar)? Kung dili na sila adto ihatag nalang kaha nila sa Carcar Museum.

but there those who say that there is a high preponderance for sexually-transmitted infections and cervical cancers (on women) caused or easily transmitted by uncircumcised penises.

there are also reports that the uncircumcised may also get HIV-AIDS more easily than those who are cut. this may explain why there is a low level of HIV cases among males in the country, well, except the most vulnerable sector: seafarers.

the cut is cleaner than the uncut.

I think there was an international organization's program in Africa before that did this one to lessen the AIDS epidemic there.

but there those who say that there is a high preponderance for sexually-transmitted infections and cervical cancers (on women) caused or easily transmitted by uncircumcised penises.

there are also reports that the uncircumcised may also get HIV-AIDS more easily than those who are cut. this may explain why there is a low level of HIV cases among males in the country, well, except the most vulnerable sector: seafarers.

the cut is cleaner than the uncut.

I think there was an international organization's program in Africa before that did this one to lessen the AIDS epidemic there.

Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.

karaan mo lang...

I was with Dr. Mike Cullinane in Manila Restaurant, He said that tha interiors looks exactly the same back in the mid 70s

Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.

karaan mo lang...

I was with Dr. Mike Cullinane in Manila Restaurant, He said that tha interiors looks exactly the same back in the mid 70s

Yup, yup naa siya.. nice ui.



Mahal jud Glenn. Karaan jud siya ui, hasta ang interior kay humot karaan, mura pod ug nanimaho ug yuta, hahaha, di bitaw, murag pina 80s ang look niya.. Murag nabiyaan sa panahon, hahaha.



Kalit ma tu. Hehe, naa koy lakaw sa downtown unya nakahunahuna ko ug hapit didto. Late afternoon na.



Nakalimot na baya ko.. Basta siopao ra jud tawn akong gi order. Mao ray barato. Mahal man ilang mga putahe, mura rakag nikaon ug aircon na restaurant ba. Abi nako ug pina carenderia ang presyo, dili man diay.

ingon sila, mao daw lami kay ilaga man daw sagol anang siopao sa mga karaang restaurant.

Yup, yup naa siya.. nice ui.



Mahal jud Glenn. Karaan jud siya ui, hasta ang interior kay humot karaan, mura pod ug nanimaho ug yuta, hahaha, di bitaw, murag pina 80s ang look niya.. Murag nabiyaan sa panahon, hahaha.



Kalit ma tu. Hehe, naa koy lakaw sa downtown unya nakahunahuna ko ug hapit didto. Late afternoon na.



Nakalimot na baya ko.. Basta siopao ra jud tawn akong gi order. Mao ray barato. Mahal man ilang mga putahe, mura rakag nikaon ug aircon na restaurant ba. Abi nako ug pina carenderia ang presyo, dili man diay.

ingon sila, mao daw lami kay ilaga man daw sagol anang siopao sa mga karaang restaurant.

^^

So far I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken. :banana:

^^

So far I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken. :banana:

@arnold: ni-try ta ka sa ilang specialty na Maki ug Makimi didto sa Manila Restaurant...

re:library: maayo unta ug magtukod sila ug library sa kada major barangay sa city, parehas dinhi sa toronto, naay 99 ka public libraries across the city, nya kung ganahan gani ko mohuwam ug libro pero layo ang branch na naa atong libroha, pwede ka mo-book online para ihatud inig ka sunod adlaw didto sa library na duol sa inyoha ang libro na ganahan nimo hulaman (free of charge)

@arnold: ni-try ta ka sa ilang specialty na Maki ug Makimi didto sa Manila Restaurant...

re:library: maayo unta ug magtukod sila ug library sa kada major barangay sa city, parehas dinhi sa toronto, naay 99 ka public libraries across the city, nya kung ganahan gani ko mohuwam ug libro pero layo ang branch na naa atong libroha, pwede ka mo-book online para ihatud inig ka sunod adlaw didto sa library na duol sa inyoha ang libro na ganahan nimo hulaman (free of charge)

^^

So far I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken. :banana:

How about bitin bai? It does take like chicken. :okay: Especially adobong bitin. :D

^^

So far I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken. :banana:

How about bitin bai? It does take like chicken. :okay: Especially adobong bitin. :D

@arnold: ni-try ta ka sa ilang specialty na Maki ug Makimi didto sa Manila Restaurant...

re:library: maayo unta ug magtukod sila ug library sa kada major barangay sa city, parehas dinhi sa toronto, naay 99 ka public libraries across the city, nya kung ganahan gani ko mohuwam ug libro pero layo ang branch na naa atong libroha, pwede ka mo-book online para ihatud inig ka sunod adlaw didto sa library na duol sa inyoha ang libro na ganahan nimo hulaman (free of charge)


i think this is the same practice all over the developed world...including malaysia and singapore, as well as in Europe where you have sattelite libraries in every burrough, village, or barrio.

the problem is that the city is up to its neck paying its huge debts sa SRP. and despite all the talk nga naay kwarta coming, all these will still go to paying the principal loan amount which is about P6.5 billion.

everyone is enjoying the ease brought by south coastal road without thinking how much of a burden the whole SRP is right now sa city. and i would not be surprised if, like North Reclamation, it will take 30 years before the lots there really get going commercially. worse, nag-crisis pa jud ang kalibutan...kinsa na man lay japon o korean nga mo-invest karon? faet.


so it's all wishful thinking nga mabuhat na nila mike rama. sakto ang opinion ni National Library Dir. Prudenciana Cruz nga mga warehouse ra na ang buhaton.

And IMO she is right in saying nga embargohon na lang sa NL ang tanan nilang gipanghatag nga libro pati ang e-library facilities ug ihatag na lang na nila sa laing city nga nanginahanglan ana, like toledo City which is expanding its city library...nindot kaayo!

@arnold: ni-try ta ka sa ilang specialty na Maki ug Makimi didto sa Manila Restaurant...

re:library: maayo unta ug magtukod sila ug library sa kada major barangay sa city, parehas dinhi sa toronto, naay 99 ka public libraries across the city, nya kung ganahan gani ko mohuwam ug libro pero layo ang branch na naa atong libroha, pwede ka mo-book online para ihatud inig ka sunod adlaw didto sa library na duol sa inyoha ang libro na ganahan nimo hulaman (free of charge)


i think this is the same practice all over the developed world...including malaysia and singapore, as well as in Europe where you have sattelite libraries in every burrough, village, or barrio.

the problem is that the city is up to its neck paying its huge debts sa SRP. and despite all the talk nga naay kwarta coming, all these will still go to paying the principal loan amount which is about P6.5 billion.

everyone is enjoying the ease brought by south coastal road without thinking how much of a burden the whole SRP is right now sa city. and i would not be surprised if, like North Reclamation, it will take 30 years before the lots there really get going commercially. worse, nag-crisis pa jud ang kalibutan...kinsa na man lay japon o korean nga mo-invest karon? faet.


so it's all wishful thinking nga mabuhat na nila mike rama. sakto ang opinion ni National Library Dir. Prudenciana Cruz nga mga warehouse ra na ang buhaton.

And IMO she is right in saying nga embargohon na lang sa NL ang tanan nilang gipanghatag nga libro pati ang e-library facilities ug ihatag na lang na nila sa laing city nga nanginahanglan ana, like toledo City which is expanding its city library...nindot kaayo!

^^

So far I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken. :banana:


i tried frogs in san fernando, pampanga last october but my memories of that place is how i was robbed of my cellphones...its leaves a bitter taste in the mouth hehehe....not the frogs ha...

timing to nga frog festival nila so they had even frog desserts!

but all the time, I was thinking of the pesticides and fertilizers that were being used in the rice fields on which the frogs thrived!

^^

So far I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken. :banana:


i tried frogs in san fernando, pampanga last october but my memories of that place is how i was robbed of my cellphones...its leaves a bitter taste in the mouth hehehe....not the frogs ha...

timing to nga frog festival nila so they had even frog desserts!

but all the time, I was thinking of the pesticides and fertilizers that were being used in the rice fields on which the frogs thrived!

The cultural workers’ night
Trizer D. Mansueto

The evening of 14 December 2008 was a milestone for Cebu as cultural workers representing different organizations came together for the first time and had dinner at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu before proceeding to the Yap-Sandiego Residence in Parian, Cebu City...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/3157511457_115789984b_b.jpg

The cultural workers’ night
Trizer D. Mansueto

The evening of 14 December 2008 was a milestone for Cebu as cultural workers representing different organizations came together for the first time and had dinner at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu before proceeding to the Yap-Sandiego Residence in Parian, Cebu City...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/3157511457_115789984b_b.jpg

^^

So far I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken. :banana:

"I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken"

Didto sa puerto pricessa naa restaurant serving crocodile's meat, ingon nila taste like chicken.

Ang haw (monitor lizard) taste like chicken sad kuno

Ang bitin tastes like chicken sad kuno

With all that tastes like chicken why not chicken na lang. :dance2:

^^

So far I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken. :banana:

"I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken"

Didto sa puerto pricessa naa restaurant serving crocodile's meat, ingon nila taste like chicken.

Ang haw (monitor lizard) taste like chicken sad kuno

Ang bitin tastes like chicken sad kuno

With all that tastes like chicken why not chicken na lang. :dance2:

Mao lagi...ang lami sa manok mora pud og haw/bitin...:nuts:

Mao lagi...ang lami sa manok mora pud og haw/bitin...:nuts:

sa laing countries, they have these libraries scattered around their cities or districts.. they call it e-libraries, e kay computers ra man. i think mas attractive ni karon rather than the old library set up na sip-onon pa ka sa baho sa daang libro. Good if our governtment would come up with such system. Also for the church records so as to preserve the old books.

sa laing countries, they have these libraries scattered around their cities or districts.. they call it e-libraries, e kay computers ra man. i think mas attractive ni karon rather than the old library set up na sip-onon pa ka sa baho sa daang libro. Good if our governtment would come up with such system. Also for the church records so as to preserve the old books.

sure kaha pod kung himoong e-library magbasa ba gyud kaha ang mangadto? basin magsurf surf lang nya mag SSC forum...heheheh! mas maayo gyud tong traditional nga library nya mas makapahuway ato mata sa sige tan-aw sa hayag nga screen, its not healthy na sige computer...hehehe...lahi pod gyud ang feeling kung naa sa tinuod nga library, mas relaxing sya compared to computers..

sure kaha pod kung himoong e-library magbasa ba gyud kaha ang mangadto? basin magsurf surf lang nya mag SSC forum...heheheh! mas maayo gyud tong traditional nga library nya mas makapahuway ato mata sa sige tan-aw sa hayag nga screen, its not healthy na sige computer...hehehe...lahi pod gyud ang feeling kung naa sa tinuod nga library, mas relaxing sya compared to computers..