Cebú Heritage Watch [Archive] - Page 34

MatudNilaBaby

January 2nd, 2009, 07:53 PM

^^
I hope Cebu City will build a new public Library which is bigger and is centrally located with a modern contemporary design...one location i could suggest is across the santo rosaryo church where the demolished annex building of central bank was located, because it is center to most universities in the downtown and uptown area and just a walking distance from the city central school...:)

has the concept of "Life-long Learning" reached cebuano populace or philippines yet. it sounds to me that books or libraries are intended only for children and school age kids. in highly developed and urbanized cities, public library which is an important source of information and learning is open to
all people of all ages even the physically challenged or visually impaired can have access to it.

i know they are fighting as to who gets to own the historical rizal building but it doesnt mean that you have to totally scrap a public service that is too important to the locals and tourists to lose.

here in my city, if i need information on something or i need to access my emails or read a magazine or newspaper, i just go to the nearest public library. i dont need to go to a public elementary or high school to access their books which outsiders are not permitted for children's safety reason.

the best thing cebu city can do is open up another library that is closest to the business district of magallanes and colon and other satelite areas. libraries are a valuable service to the community, and a partner to life-long learning.

MatudNilaBaby

January 2nd, 2009, 07:53 PM

SleMarKen

January 2nd, 2009, 08:24 PM

has the concept of "Life-long Learning" reached cebuano populace or philippines yet. it sounds to me that books or libraries are intended only for children and school age kids. in highly developed and urbanized cities, public library which is an important source of information and learning is open to
all people of all ages even the physically challenged or visually impaired can have access to it.

i know they are fighting as to who gets to own the historical rizal building but it doesnt mean that you have to totally scrap a public service that is too important to the locals and tourists to lose.

here in my city, if i need information on something or i need to access my emails or read a magazine or newspaper, i just go to the nearest public library. i dont need to go to a public elementary or high school to access their books which outsiders are not permitted for children's safety reason.

the best thing cebu city can do is open up another library that is closest to the business district of magallanes and colon and other satelite areas. libraries are a valuable service to the community, and a partner to life-long learning.

truth is ang pinoy dili hilig mubasa. muadto na lang sa mall kaysa library.

SleMarKen

January 2nd, 2009, 08:24 PM

MatudNilaBaby

January 2nd, 2009, 10:50 PM

truth is ang pinoy dili hilig mubasa. muadto na lang sa mall kaysa library.

in order for us cebuanos to be globally competitive, we have to keep on learning even if we have finished high school or college. that is such a wrong notion in the philippines that once you finish college you are DONE with learning.

people in highly advanced countries continually to explore and learn even if they are already working. pinoys are too literal when it comes to learning that you have to be in school. you can learn at school, home, work place, community and practically everywhere.

and speaking of reading, how many of us pinoys knew about a "Reading List" in school.

MatudNilaBaby

January 2nd, 2009, 10:50 PM

Taga Bogo

January 3rd, 2009, 05:47 AM

karon, naa bay ni patronize anang rizal library? para nako ok ra na inconvert na siya into a gallery mas makagenerate pa og income.

To a certain degree tinood man sad. Dako ba kaha kaayo ang usbon sa building? Nindot man na ang hitsura anang buildinga, anogon kung gub-on lang dayon ma "modernize".

Taga Bogo

January 3rd, 2009, 05:47 AM

MatudNilaBaby

January 3rd, 2009, 07:43 AM

MatudNilaBaby

January 3rd, 2009, 07:43 AM

archaeologue

January 3rd, 2009, 12:42 PM

if the main concern is the safety of the building, then its best to build a new modern city library to serve its own locale.

the reason is that the city is establishing a museum of art.

but i don't understand why the library has to go because libraries, whether public or private, always contain either an art gallery or a collection of paintings and sculptures within the reading room or library hall.

grabe gyud tingali kadaghan ang painting and other fine arts collections sa city?

archaeologue

January 3rd, 2009, 12:42 PM

LordCarnal

January 3rd, 2009, 12:58 PM

LordCarnal

January 3rd, 2009, 12:58 PM

SleMarKen

January 3rd, 2009, 04:18 PM

^^ako ra pud gikopya ang name nimo kay nalibog pud ko.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/3162346809_d328036948.jpg

SleMarKen

January 3rd, 2009, 04:18 PM

^^ako ra pud gikopya ang name nimo kay nalibog pud ko.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/3162346809_d328036948.jpg

Ang_Bantayanon

January 3rd, 2009, 04:33 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

January 3rd, 2009, 04:33 PM

bukid

January 3rd, 2009, 05:08 PM

Hi guys I need some clarification.

Is San Guillermo de Aquitania (St. William of Aquitaine), a count of Tolouse, France the same as San Guillermo el Grande: Ermitaño (St. William the great, hermit) ???

Naglibog na jud ko.. :nuts:

Dalaguete Church in some books and websites is called San Guillermo de Aquitania and/or San Guillermo el Ermitaño

I just labeled my blog entry in the mean time as San Guillermo el Ermitaño kay Augustinian man..

San Guillermo Church in Catmon, Cebu

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3124/3162968336_bb3fe6f742.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/3162990218_f9dcdbff30.jpg?v=0

the 1st simple way to know is through the feast day that the church celebrate.

here is the list of feast for san guillermo: http://preguntasantoral.blogia.com/2008/062601--cuando-celebrar-san-guillermo-.php

and there are two possbile answer to your san guillermo.

San Guillermo de Aquitania: Conde de Tolouse, soldado y monje, 28 de mayo

San Guillermo el Grande: ermitaño, 15 de octubre

next, you can determine which guillermo is it by looking at the image in the church.

here's one image from a website:

for guillermo el ermitano:

http://www.midwestaugustinians.org/saints/s_williamhermit.html

for guillermo de aquitania:

http://preguntasantoral.blogia.com/2008/062601--cuando-celebrar-san-guillermo-.php

but to make it easier for us. let's just follow what the catholic church particularly the archdiocese of cebu call it.

it's called the:

VICARIATE OF SAN GUILLERMO DE AQUITANIA

1. San Guillermo de Aquitania Parish, Catmon, Cebu 6008
Parish Priest : Rev. Fr. Miguel S. Abangan

VICARIATE OF SAN GUILLERMO DE AQUITANIA

1. San Guillermo de Aquitania Parish, Dalaguete, Cebu 6022
Parish Priest : Rt. Rev. Msgr. Phil C. Tumulak, HP
Parochial Vicars : Rev. Fr. Socrates S. Cabanig
Rev. Fr. Ralph L. Perez

here's the website of the archdiocese of cebu:

http://cebuarchdiocese.wordpress.com/parishes/

bukid

January 3rd, 2009, 05:08 PM

LordCarnal

January 3rd, 2009, 05:47 PM

LordCarnal

January 3rd, 2009, 05:47 PM

LordCarnal

January 3rd, 2009, 06:09 PM

@Bukid

Bukid bro, I think it's really San Guillermo el Ermitaño because images/statues of him at Dalaguete and Catmon are seen holding a cross or chain.

Thanks guys for the help.. :grouphug:

LordCarnal

January 3rd, 2009, 06:09 PM

@Bukid

Bukid bro, I think it's really San Guillermo el Ermitaño because images/statues of him at Dalaguete and Catmon are seen holding a cross or chain.

Thanks guys for the help.. :grouphug:

bukid

January 3rd, 2009, 06:14 PM

^^

Thanks Bukid so it should it be San Guillermo de Aquitania.

However I'm more apt at San Guillermo el Ermitaño because he is an Augustinian saint and that church was built by the Augustinian Recollects, unya si San Guillermo de Aquitania kay Benedectine man..

:dunno: :dunno:

Which is which? Basin na confuse pod ang gahimo sa http://cebuarchdiocese.wordpress.com/parishes/

Even during the colonial days kay na confuse pod sila :nuts:

(PS: pssstt.. nganong ga wordpress man ang Archdiocese ui, siyaro di sila kapabuhat ug website jud, daghan man ug sacristan nga mga talented kaayo, hehehehe)

Now this is the answer.. :banana:

Thanks Dale. So San Guillermo de Aquitania and San Guillermo el Ermitaño really are two different persons, hehehe.

Now my next question is, should the churches in Dalaguete and Catmon be called "de Aquitania" or "el Ermitaño" ?

Murag mas accurate cguro ang "el Hermitaño" kay Augustinian man ang ga build sa Dalaguete and then OAR ang Catmon? Noh?

Although mas accurate jud cguro ang old church records pero wala man koy access ug old church records, hehehe.. :nuts:

What you mean Gibb na imo gi copy akong name?

..

^^ but we should know the importance of san guillermo de aquitania in the history and life of catholic spain.

here the reason:

"Se desconoce la fecha del nacimiento de Guillermo. De los pocos datos de su vida consta que era conde de la ciudad de Tolouse, en Francia, y más tarde fue nombrado duque de Aquitania por Carlomagno.

La fe y la cultura cristiana fueron gravemente amenazadas por la invasión de los árabes a Francia del Sur, en el año 793. Guillermo organizó la formación de un ejército que con grandes sacrificios detuvo la ola invasora de los musulmanes. No sólo esto, sino que preparó también una contraofensiva.

Las crónicas refieren que Guillermo de Aquitania ayudó más tarde a los católicos en España y cooperó con su ejército en la reconquista de Barcelona en el 801..."

http://www.mercaba.org/SANTORAL/Vida/05/05-28_S_guillermo_de_aquitania.htm

The date of the birth of William is not known. From the few details of his life was that he is the count of the city of Toulouse, France, and later was appointed by Charles the Great as the Duke of Aquitaine.

The Christian faith and culture were seriously threatened by the invasion of Arabs in southern France, in the year 793. Guillermo organized the formation of an army with great sacrifices stopped the wave of invading Muslims. Not only that but also prepared a counter-offensive.

The chronicles relate that William of Aquitaine later helped the Catholics in Spain and cooperated with its army in the reconquest of Barcelona in the 801..."

william of aquitaine is william of gellone, the duke of aquitaine. He was a cousin of Charlemagne

Bernard or Bernat of Septimania son of William of Gellone, was a Frank and Count of Barcelona from 826 to 832 and again from 835 to 844. He was the appointed successor of the Frankish Rampó, Count of Barcelona, a leading proponent of war against the Muslims, and opposed to the interests of the local Visigothic nobility.

Bernat established his grip on power from the start by quelling a local revolt. A noble called Aissó, who was perhaps a Goth lieutenant of the deposed Count Berà. (Other thoughts are that the name Aissó is a corruption of an Arab (Aysun) son of Sulayman al-Arabi, formerly imprisoned in Aachen, but who escaped from captivity to the Hispanic March, and established himself in the region of Vic).

The garrisons of the castles in the area, who had been favorable to Berà, joined Aissó in a revolt against the new count, Bernat. Only the castle of Roda de Ter, in the county of Ausona, resisted and was subsequently destroyed by Aissó. From the central zone that he now occupied, Aissó attacked the county of Cerdanya and the region of the Vallés. The young count Bernat, not yet thirty years old, requested and received some help from the Emperor, as well as that of some local noble Goths or hispani (826).

To counter these reinforcements, Aissó sent his brother to request help from Abd ar-Rahman II, the Emir of Córdoba and the only available power to successfully oppose the Franks. Abd al-Rahman sent the general Ubayd Allah, known also as Abu Marwan, who arrived in Zaragoza in May 827, and then invaded the territory of the county of Barcelona. He reached Barcelona in the summer, besieging it, but without success, and ransacking its surroundings....

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Bernard-of-Septimania

that might be the reason why even the augustinians pay homage to him and named the churches in his honor. just like how they pay homage to san tiago de compostela by naming chuches in his honor. it must be the moro raid in the area during ancient times that inspired the catholic missionaries to name the churches in their honor to seek their military protection.

bukid

January 3rd, 2009, 06:14 PM

Zuburbia

January 3rd, 2009, 06:26 PM

has the concept of "Life-long Learning" reached cebuano populace or philippines yet. it sounds to me that books or libraries are intended only for children and school age kids. in highly developed and urbanized cities, public library which is an important source of information and learning is open to
all people of all ages even the physically challenged or visually impaired can have access to it.

i know they are fighting as to who gets to own the historical rizal building but it doesnt mean that you have to totally scrap a public service that is too important to the locals and tourists to lose.

here in my city, if i need information on something or i need to access my emails or read a magazine or newspaper, i just go to the nearest public library. i dont need to go to a public elementary or high school to access their books which outsiders are not permitted for children's safety reason.

the best thing cebu city can do is open up another library that is closest to the business district of magallanes and colon and other satelite areas. libraries are a valuable service to the community, and a partner to life-long learning.

yes you are right..i even hope that they will build a new modern library that is center to all universities in the uptown and downtown...ako suggestion kay ang diha atbang sa santo rosaryo.. nindota tan-awon og naay glassy and contemporary nga laibrary diha, with upper level gallery and central area for reading with a skylight above it, nya ang sides kay puro galaray tag-as nga shelves...nya naa poy part nga for children nga pangbata pod ang design, with a little interactive play area...hehehe! kanindot imaginon...:)

Zuburbia

January 3rd, 2009, 06:26 PM

has the concept of "Life-long Learning" reached cebuano populace or philippines yet. it sounds to me that books or libraries are intended only for children and school age kids. in highly developed and urbanized cities, public library which is an important source of information and learning is open to
all people of all ages even the physically challenged or visually impaired can have access to it.

i know they are fighting as to who gets to own the historical rizal building but it doesnt mean that you have to totally scrap a public service that is too important to the locals and tourists to lose.

here in my city, if i need information on something or i need to access my emails or read a magazine or newspaper, i just go to the nearest public library. i dont need to go to a public elementary or high school to access their books which outsiders are not permitted for children's safety reason.

the best thing cebu city can do is open up another library that is closest to the business district of magallanes and colon and other satelite areas. libraries are a valuable service to the community, and a partner to life-long learning.

yes you are right..i even hope that they will build a new modern library that is center to all universities in the uptown and downtown...ako suggestion kay ang diha atbang sa santo rosaryo.. nindota tan-awon og naay glassy and contemporary nga laibrary diha, with upper level gallery and central area for reading with a skylight above it, nya ang sides kay puro galaray tag-as nga shelves...nya naa poy part nga for children nga pangbata pod ang design, with a little interactive play area...hehehe! kanindot imaginon...:)

SleMarKen

January 3rd, 2009, 06:37 PM

SleMarKen

January 3rd, 2009, 06:37 PM

bukid

January 3rd, 2009, 06:50 PM

@Bukid

Bukid bro, I think it's really San Guillermo el Ermitaño because images/statues of him at Dalaguete and Catmon are seen holding a cross or chain.

Thanks guys for the help.. :grouphug:

saint william of aquitaine is sometimes depicted with a big cross because his cousin charlemagne is said to have given william of aquitaine a relic of the "true" cross.

In 804, he founded the monastery of Gellone (now Saint-Guilhem-le-Désert) near Lodève in the diocese of Maguelonne, which he placed under the general control of Benedict of Aniane, whose monastery was nearby. He retired as a monk there in 806 where he eventually died on the 28th of May 812 (or 814). His feast is on that date.

Among his gifts to the abbey he founded was a piece of the True Cross, a present from his cousin Charlemagne, who reportedly wept at his death. Charlemagne had received the relic from the Patriarch of Jerusalem according to the Vita of William. When he died, it was said the bells at Orange rang on their own accord.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Gellone

william the hermit is known as william of maleval. Guillaume de Malavalle in french

Saint William of Maleval or William the Great (died 10 February 1157) was the founder of the Catholic congregation of Williamites, a branch of the Hermits of St. Augustine. He was beatified in 1202.

The account of his life, written by his disciple Albert, who lived with him during his last year at Maleval, has been lost. Written accounts of his life by Theodobald, or Thibault, given by the Bollandists, is unreliable because it has been interpolated with the lives of at least two other Williams.

After a number of chapters in which he is confused with St. William of Gellone, Duke of Aquitaine, we are told that he went to Rome, where he had an interview with pope Eugene III, who ordered him to make a pilgrimage to Jerusalem in penance for his sins. Though Theodobald's account of his interview with the pope does not carry conviction, the fact of this visit and his subsequent pilgrimage to Jerusalem is supported by excerpts from the older life, which are preserved by responsories and antiphons in his liturgical feast Office. He seems to have remained at Jerusalem for one or two years, not nine as Theodobald relates. About 1153 he returned to Italy and led a hermit's life in a wood near Pisa, then on Monte Pruno, and finally in 1155 in the desert valley of Stabulum Rodis, later known as Maleval, in the political territory of Siena and in the Bishopric of Grosseto, where he was joined by Albert.

so it is most likely that the church is really dedicated San Guillermo de Aquitania or Saint Guillaume de Gellone, Duke of Aquitaine in french.

bukid

January 3rd, 2009, 06:50 PM

LordCarnal

January 3rd, 2009, 07:04 PM

^^

Now this should be more confusing as to which is which, hehe.

Cguro the most reliable would be the church records nalang jud, as in the old Spanish records ba.

Interesting pod ang theory na they named the churches after William of Aquitaine because of the moro raids.

It's like karon ra gihapon. Perhaps the soldiers in Iraq should have a devotion to St. William of Aquitaine. :bash:

:nuts::banana:

LordCarnal

January 3rd, 2009, 07:04 PM

bukid

January 3rd, 2009, 08:08 PM

bukid

January 3rd, 2009, 08:08 PM

Pinoy_ako

January 4th, 2009, 02:30 AM

Pinoy_ako

January 4th, 2009, 02:30 AM

Ang_Bantayanon

January 4th, 2009, 10:08 AM

Ang_Bantayanon

January 4th, 2009, 10:08 AM

sanvalente

January 4th, 2009, 11:13 AM

Am inviting my cousin Luigi Romanillos to this thread, he is also a historian
focusing in things Recoleto. He speaks Visayan as well as Ilonggo/etc

Best wishes for 2009 to all .......

sanvalente

January 4th, 2009, 11:13 AM

Am inviting my cousin Luigi Romanillos to this thread, he is also a historian
focusing in things Recoleto. He speaks Visayan as well as Ilonggo/etc

Best wishes for 2009 to all .......

LordCarnal

January 4th, 2009, 01:57 PM

^^ i think i found the answer.

the spaniards called both san guillermo de aquitania and san guillermo el ermitano as san guillermo el grande or saint william the great.

and they erroneously believe that san guillermo de aquitania is the same as san guillermo el ermitano (a.k.a. san guillermo de malaval) because both are from france. san guillermo de aquitania later became a monk while san guillermo de malaval became an hermit.

and the story of the life of san guillermo de aquitania was weaved into that of san guillermo de malaval.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_de_Malaval

Thanks Don Bukid! :banana:

Actually I already entertained the thought that the saint that they really intended to venerate was St. William the Hermit (San Guillermor el Ermitaño). But then again they confused it with St. William of Aquitaine, meaning they thought that both are just one person.

I talked with Dale a while ago and we decided not to make a conclusion. If ever we're going to write something about it, then we'll just present both sides, meaning we'll just mention both "de Aquitania" and "el Ermitaño."

Your theory also actually made sense with regards to "de Aquitania" being invoked during the muslim raids.

...

LordCarnal

January 4th, 2009, 01:57 PM

overtureph

January 5th, 2009, 12:14 AM

overtureph

January 5th, 2009, 12:14 AM

estan

January 5th, 2009, 01:27 PM

Beautiful church. Simple lines and it looks it still has it's original wood trusses. The porte-cochere seems to blend well with the facade.

i think this is one church where the portico harmonized with the facade. pero when kaha ni gi butang?

estan

January 5th, 2009, 01:27 PM

estan

January 5th, 2009, 01:28 PM

Am inviting my cousin Luigi Romanillos to this thread, he is also a historian
focusing in things Recoleto. He speaks Visayan as well as Ilonggo/etc

Best wishes for 2009 to all .......

kana, maayo jud na si prof. italian speaking and historian of the recollects with many works published.

estan

January 5th, 2009, 01:28 PM

estan

January 5th, 2009, 01:30 PM

estan

January 5th, 2009, 01:30 PM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:35 PM

These acts of the clergy who treats Church property as their own are probably a consequence of a lack of accountability and proper inventory of church owned properties. This is probably a consequence of the discontinuance of the cargo y data system.

Precisely! When there is no transparency, then everything can be hidden from everybody - lists of items found inside the church and the convent show what are to be left behind when a priest is transferred to another parish. Without any list (cargo y data, the priest can take the whole kaboodle and no one is the wiser!

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:35 PM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:37 PM

there are no plantations oi...large-scale agricultural production na man na.

family farms lang which is the mark of subsistence agriculture in the pre-hispanic era. lisud kaayo na lubkon ang kabog. you have to cover the mortar kay gaan kaayo and molupad jud ang mga lugas.

in the past, they were all over the Visayas because this (not just rice) was also the staple food of Bisayans.

but today you find small upland farms or plots in Catmon, Sogod and Borbon.

below are photos from a roadside plot i chanced upon in july in the uplands of Catmon:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/kabogfarmcatmon.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/kabog.jpg

This is great! I haven't seen Kabog in my whole life, thanks for posting the pictures!

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:37 PM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:40 PM

Finally, I was able to eat at Manila Restaurant across the Chinese temple in Manalili Street last week. :banana:

Looking at the menu, medyo mahal ilang prices. Ang interiors nila kay karaan sad tan-awon.

I will drag somebody to go with me to eat in Manila Restaurant. This place is part of my childhood memories, our family used to go to the city all the way from BoMEedco and Daddy always treated us to pancit in Manila Restaurant. How nice to know that some places are still around after all.

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:40 PM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:41 PM

mahal jud bitaw...and not for one person lang...hehehe...so you saw the etched glass of a long-gone softdrink company? nice no?

Which soft-drink company was that Jo?

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:41 PM

mahal jud bitaw...and not for one person lang...hehehe...so you saw the etched glass of a long-gone softdrink company? nice no?

Which soft-drink company was that Jo?

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:43 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/3157511457_115789984b_b.jpg

Thank you for posting this, I was in Manila when this came out.

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:43 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/3157511457_115789984b_b.jpg

Thank you for posting this, I was in Manila when this came out.

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:53 PM

the rizal library as a community media resource center for those who dont have access to internet, books, magazines, journals or newpaper is a valuable and priceless investment the city has to offer to its local citizens. there is no amount of money you can place on the learning and information gained from offering the free service to the public.

if the main concern is the safety of the building, then its best to build a new modern city library to serve its own locale. people from highly advanced countries do use public libraries frequently as source of pertinent information. for cebuanos seeking a world class recognition for our dear queen city, it must maintain a center for public information such as the rizal public library. as a matter of fact, one city public library for close to a million people is so mediocre investment for its taxpayers. it only shows that we never have understood the concept of life-long learning, that is, if our government officials know what that means.

It is a sad day for any place to have its library "erased" or "demolished". The first act of the barbarians was to destroy the libraries of Europe which led to the Dark Ages. The worst thing that happened in the ancient world was the destruction of the library of Alexandria.

I find it unthinkable that the only library readily accessible to Cebuanos will be gone by a simple declaration of its acting mayor - and for what? To make way for an Art Gallery?! Whose works will be displayed there? Amorsolos? Juan Lunas? Abellanas? If they don't have single one of those painters, and they will foist on us the works of the current crop of painters in the city, pray spare us this ignominy!

A city with no library - a city with no room for books, that is the city in Mike Rama's vision of Cebu City! They only need one floor of that benighted building which Alvin Garcia bastardized in the first place. Leave the first floor for the library for goodness sake!

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 04:53 PM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 05:00 PM

Thanks Don Bukid! :banana:

Actually I already entertained the thought that the saint that they really intended to venerate was St. William the Hermit (San Guillermor el Ermitaño). But then again they confused it with St. William of Aquitaine, meaning they thought that both are just one person.

I talked with Dale a while ago and we decided not to make a conclusion. If ever we're going to write something about it, then we'll just present both sides, meaning we'll just mention both "de Aquitania" and "el Ermitaño."

Your theory also actually made sense with regards to "de Aquitania" being invoked during the muslim raids.

...

Lord Carnal, what's with you and San Guillermo el Ermitano? No amount of replies supported by research seem to convince you about San Guillermo de Aquitana! Just curious.

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 05:00 PM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 05:04 PM

Thanks Don Bukid! :banana:

Actually I already entertained the thought that the saint that they really intended to venerate was St. William the Hermit (San Guillermor el Ermitaño). But then again they confused it with St. William of Aquitaine, meaning they thought that both are just one person.

I talked with Dale a while ago and we decided not to make a conclusion. If ever we're going to write something about it, then we'll just present both sides, meaning we'll just mention both "de Aquitania" and "el Ermitaño."

Your theory also actually made sense with regards to "de Aquitania" being invoked during the muslim raids.

...

Nold, what's with you and San Guillermo el Ermitano? No amount of research done by the others could convince you! Just curious.:

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 5th, 2009, 05:04 PM

Thanks Don Bukid! :banana:

Actually I already entertained the thought that the saint that they really intended to venerate was St. William the Hermit (San Guillermor el Ermitaño). But then again they confused it with St. William of Aquitaine, meaning they thought that both are just one person.

I talked with Dale a while ago and we decided not to make a conclusion. If ever we're going to write something about it, then we'll just present both sides, meaning we'll just mention both "de Aquitania" and "el Ermitaño."

Your theory also actually made sense with regards to "de Aquitania" being invoked during the muslim raids.

...

Nold, what's with you and San Guillermo el Ermitano? No amount of research done by the others could convince you! Just curious.:

flesh_is_weak

January 5th, 2009, 09:05 PM

speaking of San Guillermo, the church during medieval times had this rather bad habit of mixing together different personalities into a single individual...take the perennial favorite San Roque, for example...some scholars suggest that he is a collage of different persons melded into one devotion

flesh_is_weak

January 5th, 2009, 09:05 PM

goleyson

January 5th, 2009, 09:25 PM

Any activities from the heritage group for the coming fiesta senyor?

goleyson

January 5th, 2009, 09:25 PM

Any activities from the heritage group for the coming fiesta senyor?

SleMarKen

January 5th, 2009, 10:29 PM

^^ i think there is a hambin lecture scheduled any day this month.

SleMarKen

January 5th, 2009, 10:29 PM

^^ i think there is a hambin lecture scheduled any day this month.

Ka_Bino

January 6th, 2009, 05:33 AM

I will drag somebody to go with me to eat in Manila Restaurant. This place is part of my childhood memories, our family used to go to the city all the way from BoMEedco and Daddy always treated us to pancit in Manila Restaurant. How nice to know that some places are still around after all.

pwede volunteer magpa drag..

by the way, let me correct my self, its the VISAYAN RESTAURANT not manila that Dr. Mike Cullinane and I went to...

Its the one across the Temple in Manalili

Ka_Bino

January 6th, 2009, 05:33 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:21 AM

pwede volunteer magpa drag..

by the way, let me correct my self, its the VISAYAN RESTAURANT not manila that Dr. Mike Cullinane and I went to...

Its the one across the Temple in Manalili

Ah, the Visayan Restaurant. Kana pud, maayo sab na bisitahon. Di pa ba kaayo seedy karon?

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:21 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:24 AM

Any activities from the heritage group for the coming fiesta senyor?

The others seem to be quiet. The curators of the Cathedral Museum of Cebu are meeting about having a Tiangge of some sort in the Patio of the museum - selling books on history and heritage, baskets from the towns and souvenir items. By that time the Kapihan sa Museo will already be operating.

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:24 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:29 AM

"In colonial days, the devotion to St. William the Hermit, also known as St. William of Maleval, was confused with that of St. William Duke of Aquitaine... St. William the Hermit lived in isolation in Maleval, Tuscany, died there in 1157 and was canonized in 1202. His followers in Maleval formed the Order of Williamites, which was eventually absorbed into the Augustinian Order.."

p. 97
San Agustin
Galende & Jose

Ug mao ni si William the Hermit, why on earth would the Agustinians hold up him for the parishioners of Cebuano towns to emulate? Pray, they want to encourage individual not communal praying? They want people to go into seclusion, removing themselves from the mainstream of parish life? because one of the reasons for a choice of patron saint is for devotion and emulation of the life of that saint? Ngano intawong si William nga ermitano man ug dili si William nga manggugubat sa mga Moros ang kuhaon sa mga Agustinians?!

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:29 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:33 AM

^^

So far I've tried fried frog in Binondo. It tastes like chicken. :banana:

In Cavite and Laguna, they cook these ricefield frogs as a soup with sotanghon. They color it with kasubha, the wild saffron of the Tagalogs. It does taste like chicken cooked this way.

But this would be too exotic for the Cebuanos who will only eat Haw which to them also tastes like chicken.

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:33 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:34 AM

Mao lagi...ang lami sa manok mora pud og haw/bitin...:nuts:

Ha ha ha tit for tat! :nuts::banana:

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:34 AM

Mao lagi...ang lami sa manok mora pud og haw/bitin...:nuts:

Ha ha ha tit for tat! :nuts::banana:

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:36 AM

"Catmon, Sogod and Borbon" mao ning mga lugara nga daghan bodbod kabog. Sa Asturias naa sa'y bibinka kabog. Not so sure if naa ba sad small scale farming sa Asturias or are these transported from the 3 towns. Dili sad ko kasiguro kung kinsa'y naka-una sa kabog bibinka, ang Dumaguete ba o ang Asturias.

How come Asturias folks call their bibingka "Bingka nga dawa" ? Is dawa synonymous to Kabog then?

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 6th, 2009, 06:36 AM

Pinoy_ako

January 6th, 2009, 08:19 AM

In Cavite and Laguna, they cook these ricefield frogs as a soup with sotanghon. They color it with kasubha, the wild saffron of the Tagalogs. It does taste like chicken cooked this way.

But this would be too exotic for the Cebuanos who will only eat Haw which to them also tastes like chicken.

It also taste good as Sinampalukan and Adobo, although there are too many bones and too little meat!

Pinoy_ako

January 6th, 2009, 08:19 AM

archaeologue

January 6th, 2009, 10:46 AM

@Ang Karaang Tawo,

you're, welcome. you should try climbing Catmon's uplands. dali ra bya, mga 1 hour over treacherously narrow roads that drop to about 30 to 120 feet on both sides hahaha...well, only in some sections...sometimes, patag ra man pod.

these photos were actually taken at a spot about 30 min.'s ride from the poblacion. duol ra.

archaeologue

January 6th, 2009, 10:46 AM

archaeologue

January 6th, 2009, 10:48 AM

How come Asturias folks call their bibingka "Bingka nga dawa" ? Is dawa synonymous to Kabog then?

there are some who say nga dawa ang kabog but there are others who aver that the two are quite different although they may look alike.

i know that the seeds we fed our love birds during my younger days were dawa and not kabog. so maybe lahi ni sila?

archaeologue

January 6th, 2009, 10:48 AM

sanvalente

January 6th, 2009, 11:56 AM

The others seem to be quiet. The curators of the Cathedral Museum of Cebu are meeting about having a Tiangge of some sort in the Patio of the museum - selling books on history and heritage, baskets from the towns and souvenir items. By that time the Kapihan sa Museo will already be operating.

now, that would be an interesting concept! I like it...

sanvalente

January 6th, 2009, 11:56 AM

LordCarnal

January 6th, 2009, 12:40 PM

Nold, what's with you and San Guillermo el Ermitano? No amount of research done by the others could convince you! Just curious.:

Hehehe, na convince na jud ko @angkaraantawo :banana: Pretty interesting man gud kaayo.

Anyway, dili diay tu Manila Restaurant among gi adto with Estan.. Visayan Restaurant diay, the one across the temple in Manalili Street.

:banana:

LordCarnal

January 6th, 2009, 12:40 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

January 6th, 2009, 12:43 PM

Ug mao ni si William the Hermit, why on earth would the Agustinians hold up him for the parishioners of Cebuano towns to emulate? Pray, they want to encourage individual not communal praying? They want people to go into seclusion, removing themselves from the mainstream of parish life? because one of the reasons for a choice of patron saint is for devotion and emulation of the life of that saint? Ngano intawong si William nga ermitano man ug dili si William nga manggugubat sa mga Moros ang kuhaon sa mga Agustinians?!

Mao! Sakto gyud nganong ermitanyo?

Ang_Bantayanon

January 6th, 2009, 12:43 PM

SleMarKen

January 6th, 2009, 12:45 PM

Dale & Arnold, Hunino man diay 2nyt wa mo nangadto?

SleMarKen

January 6th, 2009, 12:45 PM

Dale & Arnold, Hunino man diay 2nyt wa mo nangadto?

Ang_Bantayanon

January 6th, 2009, 01:25 PM

Wala gyud tawn.
Wa naman tay konek didto.
Hahaha!

Ang_Bantayanon

January 6th, 2009, 01:25 PM

Wala gyud tawn.
Wa naman tay konek didto.
Hahaha!

SleMarKen

January 6th, 2009, 01:44 PM

From the brochure handed out by the Sinulog Foundation

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3173102403_17769c2ba6_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1046/3173936502_ae10e37acd_o.jpg

SleMarKen

January 6th, 2009, 01:44 PM

From the brochure handed out by the Sinulog Foundation

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3173102403_17769c2ba6_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1046/3173936502_ae10e37acd_o.jpg

LordCarnal

January 6th, 2009, 01:46 PM

I thought APRIL 2009 pa ang Huniño??

:dunno:

LordCarnal

January 6th, 2009, 01:46 PM

I thought APRIL 2009 pa ang Huniño??

:dunno:

SleMarKen

January 6th, 2009, 01:47 PM

I thought APRIL 2009 pa ang Huniño??

:dunno:

naka butang man gud sa sched diha 2nyt na.

SleMarKen

January 6th, 2009, 01:47 PM

I thought APRIL 2009 pa ang Huniño??

:dunno:

naka butang man gud sa sched diha 2nyt na.

LordCarnal

January 6th, 2009, 02:02 PM

^^

Aw so karon jud diay,hehe.. nag uwan man sa amo ron.. hehehe..

Mao! Sakto gyud nganong ermitanyo?

Pero Dale, nag Hermit baya pod si St. William of Aquitaine. :D :D

Naglibog lang jud ko at first because ADMU's Panublion (http://www.admu.edu.ph/offices/mirlab/panublion/r7_dalacoy.html#dalagete) referred to Dalaguete Church as San Guillermo el Ermitaño man gud and I was a bit confused at first as to who they really are referring to. :banana:

Here's an info I found,

St. William of Aquitaine
was one of the soldiers of Charlemagne, and helped to chase the Saracens from Languedoc. In 808 he renounced the world, and died 812. He is usually represented as a mailed soldier.

LordCarnal

January 6th, 2009, 02:02 PM

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 7th, 2009, 02:04 AM

Hehehe, na convince na jud ko @angkaraantawo :banana: Pretty interesting man gud kaayo.

Anyway, dili diay tu Manila Restaurant among gi adto with Estan.. Visayan Restaurant diay, the one across the temple in Manalili Street.

:banana:

Yes, bitaw kay ang Manila Restaurant naa man sa Manalili tingali.

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 7th, 2009, 02:04 AM

Taga Bogo

January 7th, 2009, 09:47 AM

How come Asturias folks call their bibingka "Bingka nga dawa" ? Is dawa synonymous to Kabog then?

"Bingka nga dawa" Thanks for the correction. Actually mao na ilang ngalan sa bingka sa Asturias. Just came back from Balamban gahapon, naa tindahan/restaurant likod sa municipio namaligya, binlan sa taga Asturias ug bingka para ipamaligya. I was told na ang dawa kunong gigamit pinalit ra sad sa Cebu City. WHAT A LET DOWN, abi nako naa sad gipangtanom sa Asturias. Another let down pa djud, though lami man to-od, naay kuno'y sagol bugas. Maayo lang djud kuno pag kaluto.

Sorry, ang bingka dali ra mada-ot (poor excuse) so wa ko'y sample :)

Taga Bogo

January 7th, 2009, 09:47 AM

Taga Bogo

January 7th, 2009, 10:31 AM

there are some who say nga dawa ang kabog but there are others who aver that the two are quite different although they may look alike.

i know that the seeds we fed our love birds during my younger days were dawa and not kabog. so maybe lahi ni sila?

"there are some who say nga dawa ang kabog but there are others..." Didto sa caption sa picture sa kabog, nganlan nimo ug millet ang kabog. Showing my ignorance, ang sesame ug ang millet pareho lang ba?

Taga Bogo

January 7th, 2009, 10:31 AM

archaeologue

January 7th, 2009, 12:48 PM

"there are some who say nga dawa ang kabog but there are others..." Didto sa caption sa picture sa kabog, nganlan nimo ug millet ang kabog. Showing my ignorance, ang sesame ug ang millet pareho lang ba?

mao pod na ako pangutanan sa una. i don't think pareho na sila. lahi pod na sila og flavor.

ang scientific name sa millet nga kabog (kay there are many types of millet, ang ato kabog) is Panicum miliaceum.

ang sesame kay Sesamun indicum.

archaeologue

January 7th, 2009, 12:48 PM

"there are some who say nga dawa ang kabog but there are others..." Didto sa caption sa picture sa kabog, nganlan nimo ug millet ang kabog. Showing my ignorance, ang sesame ug ang millet pareho lang ba?

mao pod na ako pangutanan sa una. i don't think pareho na sila. lahi pod na sila og flavor.

ang scientific name sa millet nga kabog (kay there are many types of millet, ang ato kabog) is Panicum miliaceum.

ang sesame kay Sesamun indicum.

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 7th, 2009, 02:34 PM

"there are some who say nga dawa ang kabog but there are others..." Didto sa caption sa picture sa kabog, nganlan nimo ug millet ang kabog. Showing my ignorance, ang sesame ug ang millet pareho lang ba?

Archaeologue gave the scientific names of sesame seeds and millet, be that as it may, the uses of the two are also different. Millet is used like rice or corn as a staple carbohydrate but sesame seeds are only used to flavor food or to be made into a seasoning oil.

By the way, the bingka nga dawa in Asturias is really rice cake with the addition of dawa for flavoring. It's not as if they want to pass it as dawa ra gyud nga bibingka - kadaghan uroy nga dawa ang gamilton! But I guess it's a natural reaction for somebody who does not cook! he he he:)

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 7th, 2009, 02:34 PM

"there are some who say nga dawa ang kabog but there are others..." Didto sa caption sa picture sa kabog, nganlan nimo ug millet ang kabog. Showing my ignorance, ang sesame ug ang millet pareho lang ba?

Archaeologue gave the scientific names of sesame seeds and millet, be that as it may, the uses of the two are also different. Millet is used like rice or corn as a staple carbohydrate but sesame seeds are only used to flavor food or to be made into a seasoning oil.

By the way, the bingka nga dawa in Asturias is really rice cake with the addition of dawa for flavoring. It's not as if they want to pass it as dawa ra gyud nga bibingka - kadaghan uroy nga dawa ang gamilton! But I guess it's a natural reaction for somebody who does not cook! he he he:)

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 7th, 2009, 02:36 PM

^^

Aw so karon jud diay,hehe.. nag uwan man sa amo ron.. hehehe..

Pero Dale, nag Hermit baya pod si St. William of Aquitaine. :D :D

Naglibog lang jud ko at first because ADMU's Panublion (http://www.admu.edu.ph/offices/mirlab/panublion/r7_dalacoy.html#dalagete) referred to Dalaguete Church as San Guillermo el Ermitaño man gud and I was a bit confused at first as to who they really are referring to. :banana:

Here's an info I found,

ha ha ha :nuts::banana: aguuuuy di gyud muundang si Arnold!

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 7th, 2009, 02:36 PM

SleMarKen

January 7th, 2009, 04:32 PM

April jud ang Huniño. mao sulti sa taga basilica. original sched to ang naka print sa Sinulog brochure.

SleMarKen

January 7th, 2009, 04:32 PM

April jud ang Huniño. mao sulti sa taga basilica. original sched to ang naka print sa Sinulog brochure.

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 8th, 2009, 02:28 AM

April jud ang Huniño. mao sulti sa taga basilica. original sched to ang naka print sa Sinulog brochure.

Yes, April bitaw because kami bayay tigbuhat sa Hunino trophies.

Ang Karaang Tawo

January 8th, 2009, 02:28 AM

April jud ang Huniño. mao sulti sa taga basilica. original sched to ang naka print sa Sinulog brochure.

Yes, April bitaw because kami bayay tigbuhat sa Hunino trophies.

Taga Bogo

January 8th, 2009, 03:53 AM

By the way, the bingka nga dawa in Asturias is really rice cake with the addition of dawa for flavoring. It's not as if they want to pass it as dawa ra gyud nga bibingka - kadaghan uroy nga dawa ang gamilton! But I guess it's a natural reaction for somebody who does not cook! he he he:)

Re "But I guess it's a natural reaction for somebody who does not cook!" MAO DJUD. kaon noon, kana!, naturally talented ko ana. Maila man sad sa lawas :)

Taga Bogo

January 8th, 2009, 03:53 AM

Taga Bogo

January 8th, 2009, 03:56 AM

mao pod na ako pangutanan sa una. i don't think pareho na sila. lahi pod na sila og flavor.

ang scientific name sa millet nga kabog (kay there are many types of millet, ang ato kabog) is Panicum miliaceum.

ang sesame kay Sesamun indicum.

Hmmm... very interesting. Salamat Jo, by the way were you able to basa my PM

Taga Bogo

January 8th, 2009, 03:56 AM

archaeologue

January 8th, 2009, 05:16 AM

Hmmm... very interesting. Salamat Jo, by the way were you able to basa my PM

yup...i read your pm last year pa..i am very familiar with april...she has some material at museo sugbo on exhibit. but i am editor for the southeastern cluster man gud, so mao na nga wa kaayo koy say sa bogo but april is doing very, very well sa bogo...

from carcar to samboan ang akong cluster as editor. we all met last december ang tanan mga writers for the fourth plenary last year. she was around, of course. paspas iyang trababho unlike other writers nga nag-inarte pa: dugay na gipasulat, wa juy nasulat.

archaeologue

January 8th, 2009, 05:16 AM

gee

January 8th, 2009, 01:50 PM

column ni @archaeologue sa cdn

Heritage tragedies

Last week I wrote about the success stories that one year brought to Cebu’s heritage movement. Today, I shall talk of the tragedies that marred an otherwise banner year. Actually there was only one tragedy that overwhelmed the successes of the past year.

But it is one that strikes into the very heart of the ethics behind antiquities trading and the problem of implementing international charters and agreements in which the Philippines is a signatory. In this sense, the tragedy had the tone of the plural as it spawned more tragedies in its wake.

I am referring to the failure to monitor the subway excavations under Plaza Independencia which resulted in the massive looting of the site, the reported collusion of Cebuano antiques traders and collectors who knew that this was going on, and their failure to report this to proper authorities.

In one online heritage forum, there is an allegation that even the Cultural and Historical Affairs Commission (Chac) of Cebu City may have members who are ceramics collectors and who may have been able to obtain some of these looted items for themselves. If true, this is a tragedy worse than the looting itself! Imagine a commission tasked with protecting the city’s heritage having members that did not lift a finger when the looting was going on and in fact joined in the fray.

The tragedy of Plaza Independencia was compounded somewhat because of the failure of the National Museum to send a monitoring team to observe the subway project, a recommendation made by the private archaeological firm that was hired to conduct pre-project archaeological assessment of the plaza in 2006. It was only when this columnist came out in August last year to report the looting that the National Museum immediately and without haste came over to begin the monitoring process! That report was triggered by the same online heritage forum where a member mentioned the golden treasures that were taken out of the construction site with regularity.

The looting was compounded further by the fact that Kajima Construction, which actually reported to the National Museum about the looting way back in June but got no response, had some sub-contracted workers coming from their former infrastructure project in Butuan province – workers who had experienced looting burial sites in artifact-rich Butuan. The looting had so alarmed Kajima that it ordered an investigation way, way before the looting was reported, fired the workers, and requested the sub-contracting firm to order the return of the gold bracelets, armlets, earrings and untold number of jars, plates and other ceramics that were carted away by an antiques buyer posing just outside the walls of the construction site, a gray-haired man who carried thousands in a clutch bag.

One of the workers we hired in the Argao excavations last December told me that he was working for the subway project during the time of the looting and could vividly recall these reports of treasures taken out of the site, some of the gold items having been bought by a pawnshop owner who also collects ancient gold jewelry.

One can only imagine the loss of the city’s late pre-Hispanic heritage that should have properly belonged to a museum to be appreciated by all. Fortunately, not all is lost since the National Museum was finally able to carry out an excavation last October that yielded artifacts suggesting that indeed the site may have been the famed Humabon settlement. Another one is set to be carried out in February this year at an adjacent section of the plaza. May this be the last tragedy for heritage and may those who partook of this tragedy find the conscience to return what they have stolen from the Cebuano people!

gee

January 8th, 2009, 01:50 PM

Taga Bogo

January 8th, 2009, 03:47 PM

yup...i read your pm last year pa..i am very familiar with april...she has some material at museo sugbo on exhibit. but i am editor for the southeastern cluster man gud, so mao na nga wa kaayo koy say sa bogo but april is doing very, very well sa bogo...

from carcar to samboan ang akong cluster as editor. we all met last december ang tanan mga writers for the fourth plenary last year. she was around, of course. paspas iyang trababho unlike other writers nga nag-inarte pa: dugay na gipasulat, wa juy nasulat.

glad to note you got it, anyway, I am more concerned of the just holer part of my last PM

Taga Bogo

January 8th, 2009, 03:47 PM

Ka_Bino

January 8th, 2009, 05:02 PM

Thurdays Jan 8 2009..

I was just seating in an office in sanciangko helping a friend in marketing tickets for a Sinulog Concert...

Suddenly i got a call from tonnete panarez, "Ka Bino we are almost there, were two buses"

Only then i remember that i must be @ the Yap/Sandiego House to entertain them.

I was just imform by Val to help show them the house..

But Tonnete ask for more, she give me the other bus to Guide around town..

While i was on the bus only then i was informed the conmposition of the group..

From what i gather they were heritage worker, from def parts on the country , and some American, Ivan Dy of Oldmanilawalks.com was with the group.

Kay mga heritage workers man, nagpatuyang sad ko ug pabuhagay sa akong gibati nga kaligotgot..

Ug sa akong pagpabuhagay..

ako ni nga na sulti..

"The biggest and the worst terminate, who are distroying the church are the priest"

Ug dihay pari nga miduol nako samtang nanganaog mi sa Fort San Pedro..
iya ko nga gisudyaan sa akong nalitok nga anay.

Sa akong gihatag nga sanglitanan ang nahitabo sa mga Simbahan sa ARGAO, DALAGUETE, ug Carcar, iya kung gi pasaylo ug nihangyo nga ipa explain sa uban ang akong giingon nga ANAY..

Ka_Bino

January 8th, 2009, 05:02 PM

Sleepwalker

January 9th, 2009, 01:21 AM

Sleepwalker

January 9th, 2009, 01:21 AM

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 04:34 AM

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 04:34 AM

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 04:43 AM

glad to note you got it, anyway, I am more concerned of the just holer part of my last PM

you mean this last part?:

Ako naman to siyang na pa interview ug on late 80s person of what is life in Bogo before during and after WWII. Nakuyugan sad to nako siya sa kang Mayor. Si Junie man gu had been there since 1971. In so many ways the political scene sa Bogo for practically 30 percent of the 1900s iyaha. Naa sad siya's personal recollection sa panghitabo sa before martial law Bogo.

Bogo has a city museum so i guess adto jud na dapat iyang memorabilia didto.

incidentally, speaking of the bogo city museum, the gov signed their request for assistance for the re-design of their exhibition gallery in the amount of P300,000.00.

this happened last tuesday while we were meeting for the Oslob cuartel and watchtower rehabilitation. a museum will also be placed within a visitor's center near the cuartel. Oslob Mayor Guaren was open to the possiblity of moving the gym/covered court that blocks the view of the cuartel from the Spanish-era street (called Calle Aragon).

she also signed a request for P300,000 for the Dalaguete Museum which is being developed right now.

toledo is also preparing their city museum to be opened in time for their 50th anniversary.

meanwhile, the photos you have of the autobuses will make a good set of reproductions in the new south bus terminal when it is finished. would you be willing to have some of them reproduced para mabutang sa mga walls? nindot jud na tan-awon...like in many train stations in europe where old photo are enlarged and placed on otherwise empty walls.

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 04:43 AM

Ka_Bino

January 9th, 2009, 04:51 AM

termite diay na, Ka Bino...libog lang ko unsa nang terminate hahaha!:banana:
HEHEHE

Next time Jobers mag self editing nako... TERMITE DIAY

Ka_Bino

January 9th, 2009, 04:51 AM

termite diay na, Ka Bino...libog lang ko unsa nang terminate hahaha!:banana:
HEHEHE

Next time Jobers mag self editing nako... TERMITE DIAY

estan

January 9th, 2009, 07:50 AM

http://langyaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ferry_cebu.jpg

Lighthouse ang original use ani? 19th century ni? This is in Lapulapu, Muelle Osmena ang nakabutang sa likod.

estan

January 9th, 2009, 07:50 AM

http://langyaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ferry_cebu.jpg

Lighthouse ang original use ani? 19th century ni? This is in Lapulapu, Muelle Osmena ang nakabutang sa likod.

Taga Bogo

January 9th, 2009, 12:52 PM

meanwhile, the photos you have of the autobuses will make a good set of reproductions in the new south bus terminal when it is finished. would you be willing to have some of them reproduced para mabutang sa mga walls? nindot jud na tan-awon...like in many train stations in europe where old photo are enlarged and placed on otherwise empty walls.

Mao ni akong gi-ingon na just holer. Sa museo dili ka gusto?

Taga Bogo

January 9th, 2009, 12:52 PM

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 12:55 PM

^^^^^

Here is another version, ca. 1915. of the Muelle Osmena in Opon.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/MuelleOsmenalow.jpg

I think it was a kind of gate or portal to Mactan from Cebu topped with a small beacon probably to warn ships passing through the narrow strait.

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 12:55 PM

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 12:57 PM

HEHEHE

Next time Jobers mag self editing nako... TERMITE DIAY

Yes, i would recommend that kay murag lisud sabton usahay imong mga messages hahaha.....ako bitaw, sige man ko edit sa ako i-post.

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 12:57 PM

HEHEHE

Next time Jobers mag self editing nako... TERMITE DIAY

Yes, i would recommend that kay murag lisud sabton usahay imong mga messages hahaha.....ako bitaw, sige man ko edit sa ako i-post.

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 01:00 PM

Mao ni akong gi-ingon na just holer. Sa museo dili ka gusto?

pwede ra pod if ganahan siya but ang ako man gud emphasis is the memorabilia sa mga governors and senators...wa kaayo ang mga mayors and congressmen kay pwerte jud kadaghan...besides, mas nindot if ang ilang mga memories will remain in the towns/cities where they served.

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 01:00 PM

Taga Bogo

January 9th, 2009, 01:18 PM

pwede ra pod if ganahan siya but ang ako man gud emphasis is the memorabilia sa mga governors and senators...wa kaayo ang mga mayors and congressmen kay pwerte jud kadaghan...besides, mas nindot if ang ilang mga memories will remain in the towns/cities where they served.

Sorry wa kaayo ko ka pasabot, ang autobus gisto ka ba sad sa museo?

Taga Bogo

January 9th, 2009, 01:18 PM

Taga Bogo

January 9th, 2009, 01:22 PM

^^^^^

Here is another version, ca. 1915. of the Muelle Osmena in Opon.

I think it was a kind of gate or portal to Mactan from Cebu topped with a small beacon probably to warn ships passing through the narrow strait.

Still another version about the same age as archaeologue's

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Postcard/Mactan.jpg

Taga Bogo

January 9th, 2009, 01:22 PM

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 01:32 PM

Sorry wa kaayo ko ka pasabot, ang autobus gisto ka ba sad sa museo?

ooopsss. sayoo ko...hehehe...

of course! dapat naa jud ta ana sa museo! yes! pleassssseeee!!!!

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 01:32 PM

Sorry wa kaayo ko ka pasabot, ang autobus gisto ka ba sad sa museo?

ooopsss. sayoo ko...hehehe...

of course! dapat naa jud ta ana sa museo! yes! pleassssseeee!!!!

Ang_Bantayanon

January 9th, 2009, 01:32 PM

Here's a joke I heard from a priest/friend.

There was once this old priest (read: senile) who said Mass.
After consecration, the priest placed the Holy Eucharist down to genuflect. While genuflecting, the consecrated host was flown by the wind, the old priest said out loud for all congregation to hear: "Asa na ba 'tong yawa?
---

In Mandaue City, there is a mission parish. Some priests come from Belgium and from Zambia, Africa.

One time, a new Zambian priest came over to say mass at a local school. The mass was in Cebuano. At the part when the prayers of the faithful was said, the Zambian priest prayed: "Oh, Ginoo, pamatcha kami!"

Wayuk!

Ang_Bantayanon

January 9th, 2009, 01:32 PM

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 01:33 PM

Still another version about the same age as archaeologue's

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Postcard/Mactan.jpg

wow! kadako anang building diha tapad sa church...school na o ang casa real na?

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 01:33 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

January 9th, 2009, 01:40 PM

Ang kumbento mana sa right side.
Naa pa mana ron pero nigamay na lang tawn

Ang_Bantayanon

January 9th, 2009, 01:40 PM

Ang kumbento mana sa right side.
Naa pa mana ron pero nigamay na lang tawn

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 01:42 PM

^^

wow! kadako niya tanawon in this postcard! hehehe...

the casa real is on the left, then, right?

archaeologue

January 9th, 2009, 01:42 PM

^^

wow! kadako niya tanawon in this postcard! hehehe...

the casa real is on the left, then, right?

bukid

January 9th, 2009, 03:27 PM

"Asa na ba 'tong yawa?
---

In Mandaue City, there is a mission parish. Some priests come from Belgium and from Zambia, Africa.

One time, a new Zambian priest came over to say mass at a local school. The mass was in Cebuano. At the part when the prayers of the faithful was said, the Zambian priest prayed: "Oh, Ginoo, pamatcha kami!"

Kakuyaw!

:lol: pamatia diay nang ijang pasabot? :lol:

kay abi nako sa sugbuanon "paminawa" ang "pamatia".

sa waray ang "paminawa" kay "pamatia" man gud mao nakatawa dajon ko sa joke.

bukid

January 9th, 2009, 03:27 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

January 9th, 2009, 03:33 PM

Exactly.
Paminawa and pamatia are used interchangably.

But imagine if you ask heaven: Pamatcha kami!
Nagsigeg pangatawa ang mga taw.

Kung mao na, wala nay manimba.

Ang_Bantayanon

January 9th, 2009, 03:33 PM

Exactly.
Paminawa and pamatia are used interchangably.

But imagine if you ask heaven: Pamatcha kami!
Nagsigeg pangatawa ang mga taw.

Kung mao na, wala nay manimba.

bukid

January 9th, 2009, 03:38 PM

^^ :lol: mao mao

bukid

January 9th, 2009, 03:38 PM

^^ :lol: mao mao

LordCarnal

January 9th, 2009, 04:04 PM

Guys visit Estan's blog, he has an article with photos of Oslob Church and its new roof.:applause::applause:

http://simbahan.net/2009/01/04/oslob-church-10-months-after-the-fire/

.:.

LordCarnal

January 9th, 2009, 04:04 PM

Guys visit Estan's blog, he has an article with photos of Oslob Church and its new roof.:applause::applause:

http://simbahan.net/2009/01/04/oslob-church-10-months-after-the-fire/

.:.

goleyson

January 9th, 2009, 10:17 PM

^^

wow! kadako niya tanawon in this postcard! hehehe...

the casa real is on the left, then, right?

murag wa na na karon. if i remember it right gihimo nag precinto and sometime in the 90s it got burned.

goleyson

January 9th, 2009, 10:17 PM

Taga Bogo

January 10th, 2009, 02:59 AM

ooopsss. sayoo ko...hehehe...

of course! dapat naa jud ta ana sa museo! yes! pleassssseeee!!!!

Sige ugma will make scans, ayaw lang sa ron kay recovering pa ko sa flu. Monday if OK na, mag pa print ko, 8X10 to no? butangi unya acknoledge ha :)

Taga Bogo

January 10th, 2009, 02:59 AM

Taga Bogo

January 10th, 2009, 03:08 AM

^^

wow! kadako niya tanawon in this postcard! hehehe...

the casa real is on the left, then, right?

pag scan nako sa picture I made sure dili ma bali o flip ang output. However, dili ko kasiguro sa original printing kung wala ba ma flip ang photo na mahimong naa sa left side ang mga detalye na angay ta na sa right.

Taga Bogo

January 10th, 2009, 03:08 AM

goleyson

January 10th, 2009, 08:49 AM

^^
ok ra.. wa na flip. basing on the convent.

goleyson

January 10th, 2009, 08:49 AM

^^
ok ra.. wa na flip. basing on the convent.

estan

January 10th, 2009, 10:04 AM

estan

January 10th, 2009, 10:04 AM

LordCarnal

January 10th, 2009, 10:09 AM

^^

Here's another photo from Harve Abella's collection,

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Monuments/MuelleOsmena03.jpg

LordCarnal

January 10th, 2009, 10:09 AM

^^

Here's another photo from Harve Abella's collection,

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Monuments/MuelleOsmena03.jpg

estan

January 10th, 2009, 10:19 AM

Still another version about the same age as archaeologue's

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Postcard/Mactan.jpg

kadako jud sa kausaban. pero sayang lang jud ang simbahan.

estan

January 10th, 2009, 10:19 AM

Still another version about the same age as archaeologue's

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Postcard/Mactan.jpg

kadako jud sa kausaban. pero sayang lang jud ang simbahan.

estan

January 10th, 2009, 10:23 AM

http://simbahan.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/oslob_daanglungsod1.jpg

naa ba conservation efforts sa Oslob like making the Daanglungsod fortified settlement ruins (http://simbahan.net/2008/09/20/fortified-settlement-ruins-of-daanglungsod-oslob/) into a tourist attraction? or something that will protect it from further deterioration?

estan

January 10th, 2009, 10:23 AM

archaeologue

January 10th, 2009, 10:42 AM

^^ ^^

yes, the barangay chairman of Daanlungsod is doing some preparations there (like removing the last four squatters) before making this into a tourist attraction of some sort. from the meeting we had with Mayor Guaren at the governor's office last week, we learned that it is the barangay that is currently negotiating with the parish for the conservation and tourism plan for the site.

archaeologue

January 10th, 2009, 10:42 AM

archaeologue

January 10th, 2009, 10:45 AM

Sige ugma will make scans, ayaw lang sa ron kay recovering pa ko sa flu. Monday if OK na, mag pa print ko, 8X10 to no? butangi unya acknoledge ha :)

thanks..8 x 10 or, if digital, 600 dpi will do.

archaeologue

January 10th, 2009, 10:45 AM

Sige ugma will make scans, ayaw lang sa ron kay recovering pa ko sa flu. Monday if OK na, mag pa print ko, 8X10 to no? butangi unya acknoledge ha :)

thanks..8 x 10 or, if digital, 600 dpi will do.

goleyson

January 10th, 2009, 04:00 PM

kadako jud sa kausaban. pero sayang lang jud ang simbahan.

if they would would cut those trees then maklaro usab ang view sa convent. ang muelle karon kay murag colorful naman kaayo.

goleyson

January 10th, 2009, 04:00 PM

kadako jud sa kausaban. pero sayang lang jud ang simbahan.

if they would would cut those trees then maklaro usab ang view sa convent. ang muelle karon kay murag colorful naman kaayo.

harveharve

January 10th, 2009, 04:34 PM

^^

Here's another photo from Harve Abella's collection,

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/WordPress/Monuments/MuelleOsmena03.jpg

Been busy these past few months, anyway, here's something interesting I dug up from HERE. (http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/types/phl-esp.htm)

It mentions something about the Liloan lighthouse, a Mactan Tourelle which does not seem to be in existence today and but nothing about the Muelle Osmena.

Mactán. A Tourelle cast iron tower was installed at Third Yantay Point on Mactan Island, marking the northern approach to Cebu, in 1886. The light is on the 1904 list but not the 1920 list, and there does not appear to be a light at this location today.

The 17 Luces Locales

1. Dagupán,
2. San Fernando, and
3. Sual. These three ports are all on Lingayen Gulf in northwest Luzon. In 1885 the Spanish installed small cast iron "Tourelle" towers, prefabricated in France, at each site. These lights appear on the 1895 light list and also on the 1904 list, although the San Fernando light is dated 1902 on the latter. By 1920 the Sual light had been dropped. The current NGA list shows that Dagupan Light has been moved about a mile north; it is described as a small concrete "house." (This description is probably obsolete, because the Dagupan city government has a photo of such a lighthouse in ruins, probably damaged during World War II.) The San Fernando Light has been replaced by a modern concrete tower, but Noche found the original Tourelle tower, minus its lantern, still standing (and rusting) nearby. The other two cast iron towers probably do not survive.

4. Dapitán. Dapitan is a port on the north shore of Mindanao. A cast iron Tourelle tower was installed on Tubud Point, Dapitan Bay, in 1885. This light appears on the 1904 list, but in 1911 it was replaced by a frame lighthouse on Tagolo Point, about 2 miles north. That lighthouse has since been replaced by a concrete post light.

5. Davao. Davao is the principal city of Mindanao, on the south side of the island. Another small Tourelle tower was installed at the north side of the entrance to Davao River in 1885. The Americans replaced this lighthouse with a skeletal pierhead tower in 1905.

6. Luz sideral de Punta Sangley. A daybeacon on Sangley Point, Cavite; no information is available on this beacon.

7. Liloan. A city in eastern Cebu. The 1865 list has an 1857 lighthouse on Dapdap Point. The 1879 list has an 1857 light, described as a stone tower, on Bagacay Point (these locations are several miles apart). This latter light reappears on the 1895 and 1904 lists. In 1908, the Americans replaced this light with a 72 ft concrete tower, which remains in use today.

8. Romblón. This is an island in the Sibuyan Sea in the very center of the archipleago. The Spanish built a small stone tower on Sabang Point, the harbor entrance, in 1857. Apparently the Americans replaced this with an 18 ft concrete tower in 1904, and that light remains in service today.

9. Cebú. The 1895 and 1904 light lists do not show any lighthouses in Cebu city. There was a light shown from a church tower, and another from a mast on the fort. The reference here may be to the Bagacay Point Light, mentioned above.

10. Joló. This is the principal town of the Sulu Archipelago southwest of Mindanao in the extreme south of the Philippines. An octagonal pierhead tower was built here in 1879. It remained in service in 1920, but it has since been replaced by a 54 ft steel skeletal tower.

11. Puerto Princesa. This is the principal town of Palawan, in the southwestern Philippines. According to the 1895 light list, a white tower with a focal plane of 43 ft was built here in 1882. This light appears on the 1904 list with a 1903 date and on the 1920 list with a 1908 date, presumably representing modifications by the Americans. The current NGA list (#14520) still shows a light at Tidepole Point with a focal plane of 43 ft and a tower height of 25 ft. It is possible the original 1882 lighthouse is still in service.

12. Iloilo. The principal town of Panay. The 1895 list has a "gray lighthouse," 20 ft tall, on the east side of the river entrance, built in 1884. This was possibly a Tourelle tower. The 1904 list shows the light moved to the south side of the river entrance; there's no description. The 1920 list shows pierhead lights at both sides of the entrance, described as pillars.

13. Jap. This site has not been identified. There is no town by this name in the Philippines today, and the name does not appear on any of the light lists.

14. Leyte. Leyte is a large island separated from Samar by a very narrow strait. The 1895 light list shows a light on a "gray iron building, 19 ft high" on Canuay Islet, which marks the southern entrance to this strait; the light is dated 1886. This was probably another Tourelle tower. The light was still in service in 1920. Today the station has a 20 m octagonal concrete tower.

15. Mactán. A Tourelle cast iron tower was installed at Third Yantay Point on Mactan Island, marking the northern approach to Cebu, in 1886. The light is on the 1904 list but not the 1920 list, and there does not appear to be a light at this location today.

16. Muelle de Opón. This is the pier at Puerto Princesa, Palawan. A small wooden lighthouse, only 13 ft high, was built here in 1883. It was gone by 1920.

17. Zamboanga. The town at the end of the southwestern "tail" of Mindanao. A white iron "hut" was built on the pierhead in 1893. It remained in service in 1920. This structure probably survives. The current NGA list describes the light at the "outer extremity of Government Wharf" as a "light hoisted between two metal supports, metal cabin at base."

harveharve

January 10th, 2009, 04:34 PM

harveharve

January 10th, 2009, 04:49 PM

From HERE (http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/phls.htm)

I'm not sure if this was mentioned before..

1874 (station established 1857). Inactive at least since 1908. Approx. 5 m (17 ft) round stone tower. One of Arnold Carl's photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/acfs1982/419605338/) shows the former entrance, and in a second photo the present lighthouse appears in the background. If this is indeed the original tower, it is the oldest surviving lighthouse in the Philippines. Site open, and the ruined tower is also open.

harveharve

January 10th, 2009, 04:49 PM

Taga Bogo

January 10th, 2009, 07:22 PM

thanks..8 x 10 or, if digital, 600 dpi will do.

"if digital, 600 dpi will do" sige mas maayo noon para CD na lang ako hatag sa imo. Sa lunes basin toa na sad ko sa Toledo

Taga Bogo

January 10th, 2009, 07:22 PM

thanks..8 x 10 or, if digital, 600 dpi will do.

"if digital, 600 dpi will do" sige mas maayo noon para CD na lang ako hatag sa imo. Sa lunes basin toa na sad ko sa Toledo

Animo

January 10th, 2009, 09:34 PM

It really is sad what is happening to the current states of the lighthouses in the country. If we only had the money to maintain and restore all of them. Here are 2 from Cebú by Manuel Maximo López del Castillo Noche´s book Lonely Sentinel of the Sea. The Spanish Lighthouses in the Philippines.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3463/3185012459_46e8e99aff_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3331/3185857342_0967b7d78a_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3452/3185857388_da8b54cb9e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3093/3185857536_7658fe3bcb_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3320/3185012843_22d9152a8a_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3462/3185857738_e8fd4406f1_b.jpg

Animo

January 10th, 2009, 09:34 PM

MatudNilaBaby

January 10th, 2009, 11:07 PM

does anybody know what international organization is helping in the preservation and maintainance of the lighthouses in our country. there is a lighthouse in balamban close to the municipal hall and i used to see a large international vessel across the tanon strait every year. and i asked the townsfolks and municipal officials about it, and they said they come every year to check on the status of the lighthouse. locally it was maintained by one person hired either by the municipio or that organization. im not sure if thats the case in other lighthouses in cebu.

MatudNilaBaby

January 10th, 2009, 11:07 PM

LordCarnal

January 11th, 2009, 12:12 AM

The beacon at the dome of the Capitol building is now green but it used to be red. Unsa diay gamit ana?

From HERE (http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/phls.htm)

I'm not sure if this was mentioned before..

1874 (station established 1857). Inactive at least since 1908. Approx. 5 m (17 ft) round stone tower. One of Arnold Carl's photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/acfs1982/419605338/) shows the former entrance, and in a second photo the present lighthouse appears in the background. If this is indeed the original tower, it is the oldest surviving lighthouse in the Philippines. Site open, and the ruined tower is also open.

LordCarnal

January 11th, 2009, 12:12 AM

harveharve

January 11th, 2009, 04:13 AM

harveharve

January 11th, 2009, 04:13 AM

archaeologue

January 11th, 2009, 09:59 AM

^^^^

I suspect it's a warning light, the Capitol is on the southern approach of the old Lahug airport, to warn pilots from smacking onto the dome :nuts: . It was one of the taller structures in Cebu in the 30's through the 50's.

As for the green light... ummm aesthetics? Ace Hardware ran out of red lamps? haha

actually, the coast guard ran out of red-colored beacons. ang coast guard ang in-charge sa mga beacons (and lighthouses).

the purpose of the beacon now is more symbolic than functional because there are now many buildings higher than the capitol.

the installation was also timed for the christmas light up of the capitol.

archaeologue

January 11th, 2009, 09:59 AM

harveharve

January 11th, 2009, 11:36 AM

According to this (http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/phls.htm) particular website, the Capitol was indeed used as a lighthouse.

Cebu Capitol

Date unknown (1937?). Active; focal plane 61 m (200 ft); flash every 5 s, white over the clear channel from the south, red elsewhere. Light mounted atop the dome of the Cebu Provincial Capitol. The building was built in 1937. Located at the northern end of Osmeña Boulevard about 3 km (2 mi) north of the waterfront in downtown Cebu City. Google has a satellite view. Site and building open. ARLHS PHI-102; Admiralty F2392; NGA 14840.

harveharve

January 11th, 2009, 11:36 AM

harveharve

January 11th, 2009, 11:43 AM

harveharve

January 11th, 2009, 11:43 AM

LordCarnal

January 11th, 2009, 01:02 PM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2317/2198711241_7590610b2d_o.jpg (http://cebuheritage.com)

LordCarnal

January 11th, 2009, 01:02 PM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2317/2198711241_7590610b2d_o.jpg (http://cebuheritage.com)

Ang_Bantayanon

January 11th, 2009, 02:08 PM

Archdiocese of Cebu book project

In a meeting yesterday, the Cebu Archdiocesan Church Heritage Commission, presided by Msgr. Carl Pono, H.P. approved in principle the proposal for the translation of the book Breve Reseña dela Diocesis de Cebu written by Fr. Redondo y Sendino in 1886 and its possible publication this year 2009.

Msgr. Pono will then present the proposal to Cardinal Vidal and other Church leaders for their go signal. The book talks about the Diocese of Cebu, from 1521 up to about 1880s. It is a valuable source on the history of the diocese and the old parishes during the Spanish era. In order to make it a fitting tribute for the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu, the daughter parishes of the matrix parishes in the 1880s will be included, chronicling the founding of other parishes since the publication of the Reseña.

SSC's Archaeologue (Jojo Bersales) will be serve as project coordinator. Other SSC members who will work on the project will include Ang Karaang Tawo (Ms. L. Alix), Ang Bantayanon and LordCarnal. Slemarken's Mark and Gibb and Engr. Rudy Alix will join as photographers including respected Heritage photographer Estan (Estan Cabigas, of the Augustinian Church Facade fame).

If the project will be realized, this will be another milestone for Cebu. This will be the Archdiocese of Cebu's equivalent to the Cebu Provincial History Project of the Cebu Provincial Government spearheaded by the Office of the Governor and the University of San Carlos.

:banana:

Ang_Bantayanon

January 11th, 2009, 02:08 PM

harveharve

January 11th, 2009, 03:23 PM

actually, the coast guard ran out of red-colored beacons. ang coast guard ang in-charge sa mga beacons (and lighthouses).

the purpose of the beacon now is more symbolic than functional

The Cebu Ports Authority cached site mentions that the Capitol is indeed still used as a guide for entry into the port of Cebu. I find it quite odd that albeit very much inland, the Capitol served a maritime purpose:nuts:

Navigational Aids. To achieve maximum safety to sea navigation, the port is equipped with the following safety facilities:

Cebu North Channel - Black Buoy No. 1, Red Buoy No. 2,

Bantolinao Beacon No. 3, and White Beacon fronting Pier No. 1.

Cebu South Channel - Lawis Lighthouse and Red Buoy No.1, Black Buoy C No. 3, Black Buoy C No. 1, Red Buoy C, Beacon No. 2, Capitol Light, Ludo Wharf, Nicholas Church red-lighted cross, and well-lighted Compania Maritima Building.

I figure they will be adding the Crown Regency Hotel to this list very very soon.:banana:

harveharve

January 11th, 2009, 03:23 PM

habagatcentral1

January 11th, 2009, 04:16 PM

habagatcentral1

January 11th, 2009, 04:16 PM

gee

January 11th, 2009, 07:03 PM

gee

January 11th, 2009, 07:03 PM

Animo

January 11th, 2009, 08:51 PM

Its a week before Sinulog...it leads me to asking this question:

"What was the history of the image of Santo Nino de Cebu before Magellan gave it to Queen Juana and the rest was "history?"

Morag pre-history ba sa image sa Santo Nino...where did it came from, how old it is, what country was it carved, etc...

Thanks in advance! :)

I think it was made in Belgium (not China! LoL). :)

The devotion of Filipinos to Our Lord Jesus Christ as the Holy Child or the Santo Niño started here in Cebu with Ferdinand Magellan’s gift of an image to the queen of King Humabon in 1521, and the subsequent rediscovery of the same image by Miguel de Legazpi’s expedition in 1565, during the reign of the Cebuano King Tupas.

The image of the Sto.Niño de Cebu originated from the Spanish dominion in Flanders (near Belgium) circa 15th century, and was given by King Philip II to Ferdinand Magellan as the Patron and Protector of his expedition.

Other images on display include Santo Niño de Natividad, Santo Niñong Palaboy, Santo Niño de Abundancia, Santo Niño Salvador del Mundo, Santo Niño de Santa Eucaristia, Sto. Niñong Mangingisda, Santo Niño del Mar, Sto. Niño de Santa Iglesia, Sto. Niño de Ilocandia, Santo Niño de Mindanao, Santo Niño Ray, Santo Niño Durmiente, The Sleeping Santo Niño of Cebu, Santo Niño de Cebu en Porcelana, Santo Niño de Cebu en Bronce, Santo Niño de la Paz, Santo Niño del Consuelo, Santo Niño de Malolos, Santo Niño de Pasion, Santo Niño de Zurdo, Santo Niño delos Carpenteros, Santo Niño de Cebu del Siglo, Santo Niño de Cebu en España, Santo Niño de Ternate, Santo Niño de Cebu en Marfil, Santo Niño de Almohadon, Standard of the Most Holy Name of Jesus, Divine Child of the Gospel, Santo Niño del Santo Rosario, El Capitan General de Filipinas, Santo Niño delos Obreros, Santo Niño del Cielo, Santo Niño de Atocha, España y Mexico, Divino Niño Jesus de Bogota, Colombia, and Santo Niño del Remedio, Madrid, España.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/01/11/life/sto..ni.o.exhibit.at.sm.art.center.html

Animo

January 11th, 2009, 08:51 PM