Cebú Heritage Watch [Archive] - Page 38

MatudNilaBaby

February 14th, 2009, 08:55 PM

[QUOTE=harveharve;32295072]It's just a little something I made up today while being love-lorn and watching Oprah with a bottle of beer! hahahaha :nuts:

Is it possible both the old Recoletos and Talisay churches had the same architects? The similarities are uncanny :banana:

Hehehe here's my humble rendition of the church in Boljoon just for you:) Barry Manilow helped me hehehehe

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG_0381.jpg[/QUOTE

this is real work of art when one is in love on valentines day! excelent sketches! bravo for a job well done.

himo-i sab ko ug sketch para unya sa akong panteon or mausoleum kanang grande gyud kaayo nga para sa mga hari ug royalty nga mahimong cultural heritage unya kon wala nata

MatudNilaBaby

February 14th, 2009, 08:55 PM

flesh_is_weak

February 14th, 2009, 08:56 PM

^^plus 2 man siguro...1 year old na man sila inig katawo nila, nya magbirthday pa gyud sila inig new year...

flesh_is_weak

February 14th, 2009, 08:56 PM

^^plus 2 man siguro...1 year old na man sila inig katawo nila, nya magbirthday pa gyud sila inig new year...

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 03:06 AM

:D murag kulang nalang ka ug abito noy joeber. murag angayan kaayo ka sa imong hitsura labi na naa na ka limpyong hubon daan. :D:D:D :jk:

oh you did not know?

I was once a novice of one of the religious orders a long, long time ago!

i was too scandalous hahahah, so i opted to throw myself out. they still miss me and keep on asking me to come back....abangan: the return of the comeback!
:bash:

p.s. call me jobers (if not archaeologue), not joeber---the name's a myth popularized by CDN online.

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 03:06 AM

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 03:11 AM

^^plus 2 man siguro...1 year old na man sila inig katawo nila, nya magbirthday pa gyud sila inig new year...

yes, in the Chinese lunar calendar. this is the standard practice also of the Japanese and the Koreans (or most east asian cultures).

but the pre-Hispanic calendar i think had only 10 moons of 28 days each to comprise the changes in the northeasterly and southwesterly winds known as Amihan and Habagat...my take ha from memory.

but i'm not sure if this is correct.

our pre-Gregorian native calendars (drawn by mental exercise and not really published or written on stone/bamboo) followed the agricultural cycle which was largely based on 10 moon cycles (from new moon to full moon and back) divided by two tropical wind directions, which defined the planting and harvesting rituals.

under that calculation, I think I would be 34 or 36 give and take the problem of 28 days...which incidentally is also the natural menstrual cycle, di ba? hahahah..

ok, i'll stop talking about myself from here on. february 15 na.
:bash:

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 03:11 AM

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 03:17 AM

I would! hahahaha:lol: :lol: I've tried almost everything! Mane N Tail to Biohairs hehe :banana: if dili mu-work.. awww.. magpa-opaw ko balik sa barber :nuts:

try the langaw technique!

directions are simple:

kill all the flies around you so they do not land on your tonsure when you're sweating hahahahah!

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 03:17 AM

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 03:18 AM

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG_0381.jpg

harve, can you do one for me. i'd like to frame it. ok ra if free. malipay ko hahah!

you have talent. that is why you have no hair. god always asks for hair when you have talent as payment in return (self-serving na ha). but you have lost all your hair ha, that means you were really asked by God to pay more than what I paid! hahahah

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 03:18 AM

LordCarnal

February 15th, 2009, 04:49 AM

@HARVE

Harve, or shall I say Atty. Harve na ba? Hehe. Talented man diay ka.

LordCarnal

February 15th, 2009, 04:49 AM

@HARVE

Harve, or shall I say Atty. Harve na ba? Hehe. Talented man diay ka.

LordCarnal

February 15th, 2009, 04:56 AM

Happy birthday Joberzzz!

Look, naa lagi balcony ang Cathedral?

Or could this just be temporary?

feeling old kaayo nang "respected Archaeologue" ha heheeh...but thanks from the bottom of my heart...:cheers:

let's do the same to Ang Karaang Tawo and Ang Bantayanon on their brithdays also ha. They are my age group baya, give and take 15 years between them! lolzz...

it's a practice in our family to give gifts on your birthday. so, my gift to everyone are these photos from the Album Conmemorativo of the 1909 Consecration of Juan Gorordo as the first Cebuano and Filipino Bishop of Cebu:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/TitlepageofAlbumConmemorativo.jpg

The title page. It's a 100 year-old book now! Thanks to the late Sen. Vicente Rama for keeping what is probably the only copy left in Cebu.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/ArrivalofGorordoatCathedral1909June.jpg

The mass of people gathered during Bishop Gorordo's arrival at the Cathedral for the ceremony on 24 June 1909. The belfry is still missing its clock at this time i think.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/CebuCathedralnaveduringGorodoinstal.jpg

The Cathedral nave during the installation rites.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/MsgrGorordoinstallationatCebuCathed.jpg

Bishop Gorordo at the center of it all.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/MsgrGorodoprocession1909low.jpg

A civic procession a day after the elevation ceremonies.

LordCarnal

February 15th, 2009, 04:56 AM

bukid

February 15th, 2009, 07:03 AM

oh you did not know?

I was once a novice of one of the religious orders a long, long time ago!

i was too scandalous hahahah, so i opted to throw myself out. they still miss me and keep on asking me to come back....abangan: the return of the comeback!
:bash:

p.s. call me jobers (if not archaeologue), not joeber---the name's a myth popularized by CDN online.

try the langaw technique!

directions are simple:

kill all the flies around you so they do not land on your tonsure when you're sweating hahahahah!

:lol: :lol:

bukid

February 15th, 2009, 07:03 AM

harveharve

February 15th, 2009, 12:15 PM

harve, can you do one for me. i'd like to frame it. ok ra if free. malipay ko hahah!

you have talent. that is why you have no hair. god always asks for hair when you have talent as payment in return (self-serving na ha). but you have lost all your hair ha, that means you were really asked by God to pay more than what I paid! hahahah

Sure, no problem.. hehe i'll have it mailed c/o USC? hehe

I lost my hair tearing it out while studying years ago :bash: hahaha :lol::nuts:

Madangog ang langaw intawn! hahaha

@ARNOLD:

Not yet bai, I still won't know til the first week of April or April 3rd (as the rumors go)... I'm a house of cards in a hurricane! hehehe help me keep myself sane!!! :banana:

harveharve

February 15th, 2009, 12:15 PM

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 12:26 PM

Sure, no problem.. hehe i'll have it mailed c/o USC? hehe

I lost my hair tearing it out while studying years ago :bash: hahaha :lol::nuts:

Madangog ang langaw intawn! hahaha

@ARNOLD:

Not yet bai, I still won't know til the first week of April or April 3rd (as the rumors go)... I'm a house of cards in a hurricane! hehehe help me keep myself sane!!! :banana:

haha...tearing out your hair is a good way of sacrificing for good luck among polynesians. in hawaii as also in new zealand they do that. so i think you will pass the bar, Harve.

thanks for the sektch daan ha. sige, just send it to my office at SoAn.

rm. 230, watzlawik building, usc main.

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 12:26 PM

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 12:29 PM

Happy birthday Joberzzz!

Look, naa lagi balcony ang Cathedral?

Or could this just be temporary?

i don't think it was temporary, bag-o ra bya na-renovate ang Cathedral ani nga time---or should I say, the Cathedral was finally finished and concecrated a few years before this. so this was probably part of the original structure that was inaugurated by Bishop Alcocer ba to or Hendrick.

archaeologue

February 15th, 2009, 12:29 PM

LordCarnal

February 15th, 2009, 02:17 PM

Harve, libre na imong sketch or baligya? Hehe. Interesting lagi na.

At least kung ma national artist na ka kay naa koy drawing gikan nimo.

Sure, no problem.. hehe i'll have it mailed c/o USC? hehe

I lost my hair tearing it out while studying years ago :bash: hahaha :lol::nuts:

Madangog ang langaw intawn! hahaha

@ARNOLD:

Not yet bai, I still won't know til the first week of April or April 3rd (as the rumors go)... I'm a house of cards in a hurricane! hehehe help me keep myself sane!!! :banana:

LordCarnal

February 15th, 2009, 02:17 PM

Taga Bogo

February 15th, 2009, 03:45 PM

I would! hahahaha:lol: :lol: I've tried almost everything! Mane N Tail to Biohairs hehe :banana: if dili mu-work.. awww.. magpa-opaw ko balik sa barber :nuts:

ok lang nang hair disadvantaged, uso man na ron. Mura bitaw ug Vin Diesel ang litrato sa imong avatar :)

Taga Bogo

February 15th, 2009, 03:45 PM

Ka_Bino

February 15th, 2009, 08:15 PM

Ka_Bino

February 15th, 2009, 08:15 PM

flesh_is_weak

February 15th, 2009, 09:10 PM

yes, in the Chinese lunar calendar. this is the standard practice also of the Japanese and the Koreans (or most east asian cultures).

but the pre-Hispanic calendar i think had only 10 moons of 28 days each to comprise the changes in the northeasterly and southwesterly winds known as Amihan and Habagat...my take ha from memory.

but i'm not sure if this is correct.

our pre-Gregorian native calendars (drawn by mental exercise and not really published or written on stone/bamboo) followed the agricultural cycle which was largely based on 10 moon cycles (from new moon to full moon and back) divided by two tropical wind directions, which defined the planting and harvesting rituals.

under that calculation, I think I would be 34 or 36 give and take the problem of 28 days...which incidentally is also the natural menstrual cycle, di ba? hahahah..

thanks...very interesting piece of information...

actually these days i'm interested in the lunar calendar--and in general, east asian culture...

i'm inflicted in 'yellow fever', that is a near-obsessive interest in east asian culture (and east asians :lol:)...a trait, i believe is prevalent in Philippine culture since time immemorial, after all, how can you for example, explain the vast numbers of chinese-mestizos in our midst...

flesh_is_weak

February 15th, 2009, 09:10 PM

gee

February 15th, 2009, 09:16 PM

haha...tearing out your hair is a good way of sacrificing for good luck among polynesians. in hawaii as also in new zealand they do that. so i think you will pass the bar, Harve.

thanks for the sektch daan ha. sige, just send it to my office at SoAn.

rm. 230, watzlawik building, usc main.

karon pa ko kabantay. apil diay ang buhok sa heritage watch!!! :bash:
arnold, pangolekta pod ug buhok, kay basin macanonize ning mga tawo dinhi sa heritage watch, naa na pod kay relic:bash:

gee

February 15th, 2009, 09:16 PM

archaeologue

February 16th, 2009, 01:33 AM

Was in the Cebuano Studies Center, reading some old newspaper on the microfilm reader..

I came across this, from the Mag-uuma, in the Cuenco Colection..

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr57/kapamilyakameraklub/IMG_4502.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr57/kapamilyakameraklub/IMG_4503.jpg

Wow! you hit a jackpot on this one Ka Bino.

I have never seen the actual list of stations before. All we I know of are the towns. Now we have the actual barrios where the train stopped for 5 minutes or even less.

There are still many places in the city and the towns that remind us of the railways, places like "Estacion" in Mabolo (somewhere at the edge of the Hipprodromo area. Or "Tulay" somewhere in Minglanilla where there is a small bridge buried under a narrow dirt road. Or "Riles" also in many places along this route, places where you no longer find any rails left.

Bravo, Ka Bino!
:banana:

archaeologue

February 16th, 2009, 01:33 AM

archaeologue

February 16th, 2009, 01:36 AM

thanks...very interesting piece of information...

actually these days i'm interested in the lunar calendar--and in general, east asian culture...

i'm inflicted in 'yellow fever', that is a near-obsessive interest in east asian culture (and east asians :lol:)...a trait, i believe is prevalent in Philippine culture since time immemorial, after all, how can you for example, explain the vast numbers of chinese-mestizos in our midst...

you're welcome, @flesh_is_weak.

well, there is very little evidence as of yet of actual chinese settlements in the country before the coming of the Spaniards. there are early missionary accounts of such settlements across the banks of Pasig River when Legazpi conquered Manila. but the archaeological evidence has not been proffered as yet. most of the evidence gathered from excavations in old Parian (of Manila, not Cebu) are of Spanish period vintage.

However, the accompaniments in burials of natives suggest a long period of engagement that prbably began during the late Tang dynasts, or around A.D. 900.

Intriguingly, Tenazas was able to excavate a crematorium in Pila, Laguna in 1968 during the USC excavations there, dating to the Yuan period (or before A.D. 1368). Surely this was not used by natives, no? Could be Chinese then.

Who knows whether there are many more places where much older artifacts from China are buried somwhere...

...or in some antique collector (PAET!)

archaeologue

February 16th, 2009, 01:36 AM

Ka_Bino

February 16th, 2009, 07:21 AM

Wow! you hit a jackpot on this one Ka Bino.

I have never seen the actual list of stations before. All we I know of are the towns. Now we have the actual barrios where the train stopped for 5 minutes or even less.

There are still many places in the city and the towns that remind us of the railways, places like "Estacion" in Mabolo (somewhere at the edge of the Hipprodromo area. Or "Tulay" somewhere in Minglanilla where there is a small bridge buried under a narrow dirt road. Or "Riles" also in many places along this route, places where you no longer find any rails left.

Bravo, Ka Bino!
:banana:

ang OPRRA (Old Phil. Railways Residence Assoc.) pud.

Ka_Bino

February 16th, 2009, 07:21 AM

harveharve

February 16th, 2009, 10:46 AM

Harve, libre na imong sketch or baligya? Hehe. Interesting lagi na.

At least kung ma national artist na ka kay naa koy drawing gikan nimo.

@Arnold: hehehe libre ra oi... lingawlingaw raman ning drawing drawing nako:lol:

@Gee: Cebu HAIRitage Watch! :nuts: hahaha

@Taga Bogo: this is an old pic... my current one shows my real age:bash: hahaha ruggedly handsome ta aning avatar nako:lol: :nuts:

@Sir Jober: I'll deliver it personally sa SoAn dept... naa man koy ukayonon sa Cebuano Studies Center next week :) last time I was there was sometime in 2006 hehehe

harveharve

February 16th, 2009, 10:46 AM

archaeologue

February 16th, 2009, 03:12 PM

@Arnold: hehehe libre ra oi... lingawlingaw raman ning drawing drawing nako:lol:

@Gee: Cebu HAIRitage Watch! :nuts: hahaha

@Taga Bogo: this is an old pic... my current one shows my real age:bash: hahaha ruggedly handsome ta aning avatar nako:lol: :nuts:

@Sir Jober: I'll deliver it personally sa SoAn dept... naa man koy ukayonon sa Cebuano Studies Center next week :) last time I was there was sometime in 2006 hehehe

This is actually the Cebu Funny Hairitage Watch! Everything is getting funnier each day!

Thanks daan, Harve. I might not be around. If so, please ask anyone to place it on my inner sanctum nga office na lang.

finally, jobers not jober...daghan man gud ko :nuts:. so i prefer jobers to jober. mas sayon pod i-pronounce.

archaeologue

February 16th, 2009, 03:12 PM

Mercato

February 16th, 2009, 03:26 PM

Thanks :) hehehe speaking of lists... here's the list of Revolutionaries I've mentioned... it's hard tracking down people, this list hasn't been updated in about 15 years.

Here's a repost of the list hehehe Aguedo Batobalanos is on Page 2 :bash:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG_0823.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG_0824.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG_0825.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG_0826.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG_0827.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG_0828.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG_0829.jpg

Daghan kaau salamat, bai. :banana: :banana:

Mercato

February 16th, 2009, 03:26 PM

harveharve

February 16th, 2009, 03:56 PM

@Sir Jobers: my bad... plural diay hehehe :lol: I shall deposit the drawing into the sanctum sanctorum of your office hehehe

@Mercato: no prob, it's a repost:) if you have some information on some of the names you might recognize, please do share :) :) it's for my ever growing journal na gi-abogan hehehe:lol:

harveharve

February 16th, 2009, 03:56 PM

Mercato

February 16th, 2009, 04:06 PM

^^ I do... my great grandpa is there... :)

Mercato

February 16th, 2009, 04:06 PM

^^ I do... my great grandpa is there... :)

neyoneyo80

February 16th, 2009, 06:00 PM

dili na ba pwede ibalik ang cebu railway??? :ohno: thanks for sharing :cheers:

Was in the Cebuano Studies Center, reading some old newspaper on the microfilm reader..

I came across this, from the Mag-uuma, in the Cuenco Colection..

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr57/kapamilyakameraklub/IMG_4502.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr57/kapamilyakameraklub/IMG_4503.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr57/kapamilyakameraklub/IMG_4504.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr57/kapamilyakameraklub/IMG_4505.jpg

neyoneyo80

February 16th, 2009, 06:00 PM

federalist

February 16th, 2009, 06:23 PM

sakto gyud ingon sa ako lola. nakasakay siya kutob sa Argao ang train.

federalist

February 16th, 2009, 06:23 PM

sakto gyud ingon sa ako lola. nakasakay siya kutob sa Argao ang train.

Taga Bogo

February 16th, 2009, 07:02 PM

dili na ba pwede ibalik ang cebu railway??? :ohno: thanks for sharing :cheers:

"dili na ba pwede ibalik ang cebu railway???" With the present technology perhaps train in the form of mass transit the likes of LRT may be possible. However, the likes of those karaang trains dili na siguro. Gawas lang sa traffic areas, ang Danao to argao dili na man kaayo dugay biyahion. Lagpad na ang mga dalan ug dagko na ang mga bus.

The last train running in Cebu were those hauling sugarcanes in the Bogo-Medellin areas. They were "laid to rest" by the management of BOMEDCO around 10 years ago kay dagko'g maintenance ang relis. Those trains were replaced by trailers/trucks. There are train engines on display (without the engines and gipangtaya na tawon) in BOMEDCO compound in Medellin, Medellin town Plaza and Bogo town plaza.

Taga Bogo

February 16th, 2009, 07:02 PM

harveharve

February 16th, 2009, 07:58 PM

The last train running in Cebu were those hauling sugarcanes in the Bogo-Medellin areas. They were "laid to rest" by the management of BOMEDCO around 10 years ago kay dagko'g maintenance ang relis. Those trains were replaced by trailers/trucks. There are train engines on display (without the engines and gipangtaya na tawon) in BOMEDCO compound in Medellin, Medellin town Plaza and Bogo town plaza.

Engine No. 3 stalled near Danao due to an a fallen tree. I heard this engine is somewhere in Negros now

http://images.harveharve.multiply.com/image/3/photos/43/500x500/3/IMG-0553.JPG?et=gI4MYgQowp%2BTy1KL9lBDqg&nmid=61806321

Here's a close up view of the "lost" Cebu City Station... I can't remember the URL now of the site where I lifted this photo from... but I'll add it as soon as I scour my browser's history tab ...
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/032408__31_cebu.jpg

From the looks of it, the passengers seem to be waiting for the northbound train as can be gleaned upon GEE's wide-angle photo of the same station..
http://sea.lib.niu.edu/img/SCL-PH076-2.jpg

harveharve

February 16th, 2009, 07:58 PM

gee

February 16th, 2009, 09:01 PM

This is actually the Cebu Funny Hairitage Watch! Everything is getting funnier each day!

sa akong pangagpas, mao kani ang hinungdan ngano ang cebu heritage (a.k.a. hairitage) watch, kung itandi sa ubang heritage thread, mao ang pinaka-alegre ug pinaka-informative ....:banana:

gee

February 16th, 2009, 09:01 PM

Mercato

February 16th, 2009, 09:40 PM

well, there is very little evidence as of yet of actual chinese settlements in the country before the coming of the Spaniards. there are early missionary accounts of such settlements across the banks of Pasig River when Legazpi conquered Manila. but the archaeological evidence has not been proffered as yet. most of the evidence gathered from excavations in old Parian (of Manila, not Cebu) are of Spanish period vintage.

Intriguingly, Tenazas was able to excavate a crematorium in Pila, Laguna in 1968 during the USC excavations there, dating to the Yuan period (or before A.D. 1368). Surely this was not used by natives, no? Could be Chinese then.

Happy Birthday belated @archaeologue!

Bitau, I remember reading a very exhaustive article on Asian Geographic about the exploits of the greatest Chinese Admiral Zheng He. In each expedition (7 in all) he would carry something around 300 large ships (more or less). But curiously, the route from Guangdong(?) only ran toward Cochin, in Vietnam, Thailand, Malacca, Surabaya, Goa (India), Ceyon (where they crushed the defiant King of Ceylon), Arabia and East Africa. And the route was repeated every time. Effectively, it seemed there was little interest/ or perhaps little knowledge about our archipelago back then.

So in light of that article, about the crematoriums, dili kaha mao ni... the cultural influence that could have promoted that burial practice of cremation could only have come from hinduism through the SriVijayan cultural interaction. many pre-hispanic barangays were influenced by india indirectly through trading with palembang. ancient chinese burial customs do not practice cremation of the dead because they believed that their ancestors live on in their midst in spirit. Coz Hinduism/ or at least Hindu-influenced cultures has a very heavy emphasis on cremation (?) thanks. :)

Mercato

February 16th, 2009, 09:40 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

February 17th, 2009, 12:31 AM

sa akong pangagpas, mao kani ang hinungdan ngano ang cebu heritage (a.k.a. hairitage) watch, kung itandi sa ubang heritage thread, mao ang pinaka-alegre ug pinaka-informative ....:banana:

I agree with you, Gee. Pinaka-alegre ug informative bitaw ni. Mao nga buhi pirmi ang thread unya paspas kaayo pero that does not mean nga nanga-upaw na ang tanang taw dinhi... So far, si JObers ra ug si Harve ang member sa hairitage... (joke!) Kana kunong kaupawon tungod mana sa sige'g tuon. It is a sign of wisdom. Hahaha! :banana:

Ang_Bantayanon

February 17th, 2009, 12:31 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 17th, 2009, 03:53 AM

I agree with you, Gee. Pinaka-alegre ug informative bitaw ni. Mao nga buhi pirmi ang thread unya paspas kaayo pero that does not mean nga nanga-upaw na ang tanang taw dinhi... So far, si JObers ra ug si Harve ang member sa hairitage... (joke!) Kana kunong kaupawon tungod mana sa sige'g tuon. It is a sign of wisdom. Hahaha! :banana:

Medically speaking, kanang upawon daghan ug testosterone - the balder a man is the more macho he is. Diay?

You are so right, Trizer, this is a most informative thread. I salute you all for making this thread a fount of information and a strong advocate for our cultural heritage! :applause:

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 17th, 2009, 03:53 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 17th, 2009, 04:00 AM

Engine No. 3 stalled near Danao due to an a fallen tree. I heard this engine is somewhere in Negros now

http://images.harveharve.multiply.com/image/3/photos/43/500x500/3/IMG-0553.JPG?et=gI4MYgQowp%2BTy1KL9lBDqg&nmid=61806321

Here's a close up view of the "lost" Cebu City Station... I can't remember the URL now of the site where I lifted this photo from... but I'll add it as soon as I scour my browser's history tab ...
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/032408__31_cebu.jpg

From the looks of it, the passengers seem to be waiting for the northbound train as can be gleaned upon GEE's wide-angle photo of the same station..
http://sea.lib.niu.edu/img/SCL-PH076-2.jpg

This is somewhere beyond Leon Kilat Street. I remember getting lost when I was five years old and distinctively remember walking the riles sa tren in that vicinity. The man who found me and brought me to our apartment told my Lolo that he found me walking in the railroad near the station. This happened in 1954 so the train station wasn't demolished yet. In fact the railways from Danao to the city were still very evident.

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 17th, 2009, 04:00 AM

Sleepwalker

February 17th, 2009, 04:13 AM

"dili na ba pwede ibalik ang cebu railway???" With the present technology perhaps train in the form of mass transit the likes of LRT may be possible. However, the likes of those karaang trains dili na siguro. Gawas lang sa traffic areas, ang Danao to argao dili na man kaayo dugay biyahion. Lagpad na ang mga dalan ug dagko na ang mga bus.

The last train running in Cebu were those hauling sugarcanes in the Bogo-Medellin areas. They were "laid to rest" by the management of BOMEDCO around 10 years ago kay dagko'g maintenance ang relis. Those trains were replaced by trailers/trucks. There are train engines on display (without the engines and gipangtaya na tawon) in BOMEDCO compound in Medellin, Medellin town Plaza and Bogo town plaza.

Is there a plan from BOMEDCO to display those trains in a gallery? or perhaps sa mga plaza sa Bogo or Medellin...Nakakita ko nga naa gi-display sa Medellin ug sa Bogo man pud siguro nga plaza, pero ang ulo ra man to sa train.

Ang nakapabuhi ani nga thread kay ang atong mga banggi-itan nga mga hairitage...aw, heritage advocates man gud, mao nang power kaayo... :)

Sleepwalker

February 17th, 2009, 04:13 AM

harveharve

February 17th, 2009, 05:39 AM

This is somewhere beyond Leon Kilat Street. I remember getting lost when I was five years old and distinctively remember walking the riles sa tren in that vicinity. The man who found me and brought me to our apartment told my Lolo that he found me walking in the railroad near the station. This happened in 1954 so the train station wasn't demolished yet. In fact the railways from Danao to the city were still very evident.

My father told me that the approximate location of the Cebu platform would be somewhere between the property lines of the South Bus Terminal and the Citom-LTO compound.

As late as 15 years ago, I still remember seeing the "mounds" (i forgot what it's called) parts of the elevated portion of the railway along the highway going north to Danao.

harveharve

February 17th, 2009, 05:39 AM

harveharve

February 17th, 2009, 05:40 AM

I agree with you, Gee. Pinaka-alegre ug informative bitaw ni. Mao nga buhi pirmi ang thread unya paspas kaayo pero that does not mean nga nanga-upaw na ang tanang taw dinhi... So far, si JObers ra ug si Harve ang member sa hairitage... (joke!) Kana kunong kaupawon tungod mana sa sige'g tuon. It is a sign of wisdom. Hahaha! :banana:

^^^^

Hahahahah:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm sure naa pay "undercover" members sa hairitage dinhi gahilom hilom lang:nocrook::naughty:

para dili ot... hehe

Danao City
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/diap/images/duke0906.jpeg

San Nicolas Cemetery (Calamba Cemetery)
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/diap/images/duke0908.jpeg

harveharve

February 17th, 2009, 05:40 AM

I agree with you, Gee. Pinaka-alegre ug informative bitaw ni. Mao nga buhi pirmi ang thread unya paspas kaayo pero that does not mean nga nanga-upaw na ang tanang taw dinhi... So far, si JObers ra ug si Harve ang member sa hairitage... (joke!) Kana kunong kaupawon tungod mana sa sige'g tuon. It is a sign of wisdom. Hahaha! :banana:

^^^^

Hahahahah:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm sure naa pay "undercover" members sa hairitage dinhi gahilom hilom lang:nocrook::naughty:

para dili ot... hehe

Danao City
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/diap/images/duke0906.jpeg

San Nicolas Cemetery (Calamba Cemetery)
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/diap/images/duke0908.jpeg

AmbutLang

February 17th, 2009, 06:38 AM

try the langaw technique!

directions are simple:

kill all the flies around you so they do not land on your tonsure when you're sweating hahahahah!

Sa akong nahibaoan sa bata pako nga ang madakpan nga langao mo tugdon sa ulo maoy inudnud aron matubuan balik buhok. :nuts: :lol:

Hapit na madugai ma membro sa pagkatigs piro dili mi kaliwat sa mga hairstye sa mga Friars. :lol:

AmbutLang

February 17th, 2009, 06:38 AM

AmbutLang

February 17th, 2009, 06:47 AM

Is there a plan from BOMEDCO to display those trains in a gallery? or perhaps sa mga plaza sa Bogo or Medellin...Nakakita ko nga naa gi-display sa Medellin ug sa Bogo man pud siguro nga plaza, pero ang ulo ra man to sa train.

Ang nakapabuhi ani nga thread kay ang atong mga banggi-itan nga mga hairitage...aw, heritage advocates man gud, mao nang power kaayo... :)

Sige rabakog sakay sa train sa Bogo kada fiesta sa bata kay akong mga uyoan naa may katubhan ug intusan.

AmbutLang

February 17th, 2009, 06:47 AM

Is there a plan from BOMEDCO to display those trains in a gallery? or perhaps sa mga plaza sa Bogo or Medellin...Nakakita ko nga naa gi-display sa Medellin ug sa Bogo man pud siguro nga plaza, pero ang ulo ra man to sa train.

Ang nakapabuhi ani nga thread kay ang atong mga banggi-itan nga mga hairitage...aw, heritage advocates man gud, mao nang power kaayo... :)

Sige rabakog sakay sa train sa Bogo kada fiesta sa bata kay akong mga uyoan naa may katubhan ug intusan.

AmbutLang

February 17th, 2009, 07:02 AM

karon pa ko kabantay. apil diay ang buhok sa heritage watch!!! :bash:
arnold, pangolekta pod ug buhok, kay basin macanonize ning mga tawo dinhi sa heritage watch, naa na pod kay relic:bash:

That is called first class relic kay epictibo kung naa kai panalangngin nga direct line sa langgit.

AmbutLang

February 17th, 2009, 07:02 AM

archaeologue

February 17th, 2009, 07:39 AM

My father told me that the approximate location of the Cebu platform would be somewhere between the property lines of the South Bus Terminal and the Citom-LTO compound.

As late as 15 years ago, I still remember seeing the "mounds" (i forgot what it's called) parts of the elevated portion of the railway along the highway going north to Danao.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/train0001.jpg

This is from the "Tabunan" book by Col. Manuel Segura which we later used for the USC coffee table book.

The train station appears to have been bombed already by this time in 1945. But some of the trains in the depot (now nehind the CCMC and the Cebu Fire Department) are still visible.

The Abellana oval can be seen at the middle left section of this photo. The box is for the USC book (we enlarged a section to show the damage to Colegio de San Carlos.

The railway tracks can be seen coming in through the left side of Sanciangco Street.

Below a reproduction of a train arrival.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0002-1.jpg

archaeologue

February 17th, 2009, 07:39 AM

archaeologue

February 17th, 2009, 07:43 AM

Medically speaking, kanang upawon daghan ug testosterone - the balder a man is the more macho he is. Diay?

Yes. Indeed, the more bigaon hahahahah!

archaeologue

February 17th, 2009, 07:43 AM

Medically speaking, kanang upawon daghan ug testosterone - the balder a man is the more macho he is. Diay?

Yes. Indeed, the more bigaon hahahahah!

Sleepwalker

February 17th, 2009, 08:30 AM

Sa akong tan-aw, kung mangawala daw ning buhok sa lalaki, bunga daw ni sa pagkabiga-on...Unya naa pud na koneksyon sa gitas-on sa dila.

Kung ang pagkawala daw kay gikan sa agtang padulong sa tunga, taas daw na og dila...Kung mag-una og kahawan ang tunga, padulong sa agtang, mubo daw na og dila.... :lol::lol::lol:

Sleepwalker

February 17th, 2009, 08:30 AM

rau

February 17th, 2009, 08:59 AM

when i was still young, i used to play in what we called as "riles" where up to now, you can still see the mounds/railway though the rails have vanished a long time ago..hehe i used to go there with friends looking for "kaka" or spiders..the one in the red rectangle is the "riles".. duol lang sa amoa dapit..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/3287409380_efbb7bc74b_o.jpg

rau

February 17th, 2009, 08:59 AM

archaeologue

February 17th, 2009, 02:08 PM

As late as 15 years ago, I still remember seeing the "mounds" (i forgot what it's called) parts of the elevated portion of the railway along the highway going north to Danao.

I think the railway "mounds" are called 'berms' and you can still find plenty of these in Carcar and Sibonga.

In Sibonga, a long section of this berm is in between coconut groves forking just across the SIMPARK (Sibonga Memorial Park) and has been used as a motorcycle way or one-lane dirt road. Very beautiful!

Up north, there is a section of a berm I saw somewhere in Compostela near a basketball court nga dirt/soil ang ground.

Two berms in Carcar cross small concrete arch bridges. There is also another one that has tall posts where a railway bridge used to be, right beside the bridge with the art deco archway welcoming you to Carcar. Alas this is now covered with tall nipa palms.

archaeologue

February 17th, 2009, 02:08 PM

johnada

February 17th, 2009, 02:58 PM

"In Sibonga, a long section of this berm is in between coconut groves forking just across the SIMPARK (Sibonga Memorial Park) and has been used as a motorcycle way or one-lane dirt road. Very beautiful!"

The stretch of riles from CP Kelco factory in Abugon (the first brgy in Sibonga) to the SIMPARK is for sale. The owner wants to sell the whole lot instead of subdividing it. That stretch is probably the nicest one since it is not obscured by houses yet.

johnada

February 17th, 2009, 02:58 PM

gee

February 17th, 2009, 03:07 PM

I think the railway "mounds" are called 'berms' and you can still find plenty of these in Carcar and Sibonga.

In Sibonga, a long section of this berm is in between coconut groves forking just across the SIMPARK (Sibonga Memorial Park) and has been used as a motorcycle way or one-lane dirt road. Very beautiful!

Up north, there is a section of a berm I saw somewhere in Compostela near a basketball court nga dirt/soil ang ground.

Two berms in Carcar cross small concrete arch bridges. There is also another one that has tall posts where a railway bridge used to be, right beside the bridge with the art deco archway welcoming you to Carcar. Alas this is now covered with tall nipa palms.

in germany, they converted some of the former railways into bicycle lane. imagine, if the provincial government has the money, they could convert the former cebu railway into a bicycle lane ... pwede na ta magbisiklita gikan danao padulong sa argao (nga dili matapsingan sa rough riders bus)!!!!! :lol:

gee

February 17th, 2009, 03:07 PM

Taga Bogo

February 17th, 2009, 03:43 PM

Is there a plan from BOMEDCO to display those trains in a gallery? or perhaps sa mga plaza sa Bogo or Medellin...Nakakita ko nga naa gi-display sa Medellin ug sa Bogo man pud siguro nga plaza, pero ang ulo ra man to sa train.

"Is there a plan from BOMEDCO to display those trains in a gallery?" - As far as I know, wala. Ang kamay man gud karon dili na pareja ka tam-is sa niadtong 80s down. Niadto kung nganlan ka'g haciendero, daghan ka ug kwarta, karon nganlan kag haciendero pasabot puros na lang asin wa nay caldero. Niadto gamay ra ang input khinanglan, barato ang crudo ug sweldo sa tawo, hasta pa ang abuno. Karon mahal na daghan pa'ng alternatives sa sugar, naa nay corn, fruits, naa pa'y equal, palsweet ug uban pa. The sugar industry then, gave more profits to the landowners than now. Landowners then, can have a very relax life, now sugar growing has to be treated with business books otherwise survival is not possible.

"Nakakita ko nga naa gi-display sa Medellin ug sa Bogo man pud siguro nga plaza, pero ang ulo ra man to sa train" - Those trains did not pull passenger cars. The cars pulled by these trains (called bagun) were flatbeds with railings in front and at the back as support to the sugarcane loaded. There are no sides railings as the sugarcane bundles were manually loaded on the sides.

Taga Bogo

February 17th, 2009, 03:43 PM

Is there a plan from BOMEDCO to display those trains in a gallery? or perhaps sa mga plaza sa Bogo or Medellin...Nakakita ko nga naa gi-display sa Medellin ug sa Bogo man pud siguro nga plaza, pero ang ulo ra man to sa train.

"Is there a plan from BOMEDCO to display those trains in a gallery?" - As far as I know, wala. Ang kamay man gud karon dili na pareja ka tam-is sa niadtong 80s down. Niadto kung nganlan ka'g haciendero, daghan ka ug kwarta, karon nganlan kag haciendero pasabot puros na lang asin wa nay caldero. Niadto gamay ra ang input khinanglan, barato ang crudo ug sweldo sa tawo, hasta pa ang abuno. Karon mahal na daghan pa'ng alternatives sa sugar, naa nay corn, fruits, naa pa'y equal, palsweet ug uban pa. The sugar industry then, gave more profits to the landowners than now. Landowners then, can have a very relax life, now sugar growing has to be treated with business books otherwise survival is not possible.

"Nakakita ko nga naa gi-display sa Medellin ug sa Bogo man pud siguro nga plaza, pero ang ulo ra man to sa train" - Those trains did not pull passenger cars. The cars pulled by these trains (called bagun) were flatbeds with railings in front and at the back as support to the sugarcane loaded. There are no sides railings as the sugarcane bundles were manually loaded on the sides.

Taga Bogo

February 17th, 2009, 03:48 PM

Sige rabakog sakay sa train sa Bogo kada fiesta sa bata kay akong mga uyoan naa may katubhan ug intusan.

the intusan produces the muzcuvado sugar, there are only a handful left in the northern part. The sugar is crushed by machine run by animal power, carabaw power. The train carries sugar to BOMEDCO which produces brown sugar. The main difference between muzcuvado, brown, washed and refined sugar is the amount content of molasses. Generally the browner the more the molasses content.

Taga Bogo

February 17th, 2009, 03:48 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

February 17th, 2009, 04:10 PM

Medically speaking, kanang upawon daghan ug testosterone - the balder a man is the more macho he is. Diay?

You are so right, Trizer, this is a most informative thread. I salute you all for making this thread a fount of information and a strong advocate for our cultural heritage! :applause:

Ha, sa testosterone diay na madam? Dili na kay tungod ang buhok maoy kuptan, unya mangataltag kadugayan? Boink! :nuts::lol:

Bitaw, kita tanan ang nagdala sa kasadya ini nga thread. Mao na, angay nato pakpakan atong mga kaugalingon. :banana: Ug si Arnold sab nga maoy nagmugna niini :applause:

Ang_Bantayanon

February 17th, 2009, 04:10 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

February 17th, 2009, 04:15 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

February 17th, 2009, 04:15 PM

harveharve

February 17th, 2009, 05:26 PM

Hairitage na o hornitage? OT! :lol:
Am... back to business guys..

^^^^
Murag naa man tanan dinhi :lol: :banana: :lol::lol:

From Ebay... someone beat me to it:ohno:
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/ceburailways.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/ceburailways2-300x186.jpg

Here are some photos of Negros - Panay steam engines, I've been told some saw action in Cebu before. Some of the locomotives here have already been sold for scrap while some were already sold to Cebu!!! (I hope not for scrap)

Photos from FarRail Tours. http://www.farrail.net

http://www.farrail.net/bilder/philippines/hh-1985/lacarlota-1o3-bridge.jpg

http://www.farrail.net/bilder/philippines/hh-1985/lacarlota-108-leerzug.jpg

harveharve

February 17th, 2009, 05:26 PM

SleMarKen

February 17th, 2009, 06:22 PM

SleMarKen

February 17th, 2009, 06:22 PM

sanvalente

February 18th, 2009, 12:10 AM

gipamuhat man daw og lingkoranan ang mga kahoy sa riles. unya gipamaligya. don't know how true.

napost nako before ang train station sa Carcar. Sadly gibaligya na ang lot nga gitukoran ani. Hangtod karon naa pa ang wooden planks nga atop ani.

Tinuod jud na bai. Original railroad tais are expensive now, imagine this: the San Carlos sugar central in Negros started operations in 1914. All the railroad tais used must be more than a hundred years old in the year 2000 including the age of the tree before it was cut down. I saw a sala set in Megamall made of railroad tais and the selling price was P310,000.00!

It was good that I bought a couple of thousand tais way back 1996 for only
P10,000 and after 3 to 4 years somebody wanted to buy it for P120 per piece! he he he... there goes the heritage enterpreneurship ... clean fun and and funds too.. mostly hard wood tugas, bayong, sometimes narra ...people
as far as paete bought it for making religious icons/santos/etc.

the bulk of the rr tais i heard was taken by the owners of the central before
it stopped operations and brought it to manila. don't know what happened
in cebu area... people just simply took it and used it for firewood, i saw some
of it used for landscaping and some for decorative purposes in big gardens..

sanvalente

February 18th, 2009, 12:10 AM

Taga Bogo

February 18th, 2009, 07:20 AM

^^^^

http://www.farrail.net/bilder/philippines/hh-1985/lacarlota-108-leerzug.jpg

The train photo is the romanticized way of looking at sugarcane farming.

The not so romanticized Loading Sugar Cane to the flatbeds - The cebuano way

Cutting is done manually. Cutting the sugarcane per stalk (bos), bundling the stalks with sugarcane leaf (bangan) carrying the bangan on the shoulder.

Burning sugarcane before harvesting is not generally practiced. Burning to some extent reduces production, which reduces profits for the landowners. Cutters (tapasero) frowns on burning because of the soot and ash that results after burning. The dwellings of the tapaseros do not have running water. Washing out soot from the skin after a days work uses extra water that has to be manually carried from a closest wells (tabay or puso). Washing clothes with soot and ash entails more washing soap, ergo more expense.

In areas near railroad tracks, flatbed cars are moved practically right next to the tapasero, then pulled by tractors back to the tracks. In areas far from the tracks, the bangan or bundles are loaded on to trucks. Unloaded on loading stations and loaded to the train pulled flatbeds.

Loading the train flatbed cars. The first bundles loaded to the train flatbeds are laid crosswise, the next layer added are laid legnthwise. Then crosswise, then legnthwise and so on. Every few layers, cane stalks are sharpened and is driven by hand as added support to the layers. As the layers pile up, a plank (wooden board about 10 inches wide by 2 inches thick by 10 feet in legnth) with 2x2 wood slabs nailed acts as steps on the ladders. (Called damio). The plank is raised every few added layers. From the ground a filled flatbed railroad car can be anywhere between 5 to 10 feet (sometimes more).

The 10x2x10 damio is without handholds, the to be loaded bangans are carried on the shoulder acrobatically climbing up the damio. Barefoot is prefferred as it offers better traction. (also less shoe expense).

Pay is measured in tons cut and loaded per day.

A real hard days work

Taga Bogo

February 18th, 2009, 07:20 AM

Mercato

February 18th, 2009, 07:40 AM

^^^^ In this day and age of alternative fuels, these guys just might be able to resurrect their former glory & the sugar industry. The "in" crops for alternative fuels were corn and sugar just awhile back , now I saw on yahoonews that the US is developing the jatropa coz it grows under almost all conditions. In fact, a 747 jumbo had been tested to fly with the worlds first half jatropa-half aviation fuel mixture & it worked...

But this is the best...
Sa akong tan-aw, kung mangawala daw ning buhok sa lalaki, bunga daw ni sa pagkabiga-on...Unya naa pud na koneksyon sa gitas-on sa dila.

Kung ang pagkawala daw kay gikan sa agtang padulong sa tunga, taas daw na og dila...Kung mag-una og kahawan ang tunga, padulong sa agtang, mubo daw na og dila.... :lol::lol::lol:
Hairitage na o hornitage? OT! :lol:
Am... back to business guys.. :lol::lol::lol:

Mercato

February 18th, 2009, 07:40 AM

archaeologue

February 18th, 2009, 09:25 AM

^^

SAnValente, I thnk the spelling is ties not tais. murag luod ra na dah. heheh.

and we found a few of them while excavating Plaza Independencia last October.

archaeologue

February 18th, 2009, 09:25 AM

^^

SAnValente, I thnk the spelling is ties not tais. murag luod ra na dah. heheh.

and we found a few of them while excavating Plaza Independencia last October.

gee

February 18th, 2009, 09:59 AM

@archaeologue

unsay complete title atong libro nga compilation sa pictures ni meerkamp van embden ... kay basin makaadto ko ug leiden next week

gee

February 18th, 2009, 09:59 AM

@archaeologue

unsay complete title atong libro nga compilation sa pictures ni meerkamp van embden ... kay basin makaadto ko ug leiden next week

Animo

February 18th, 2009, 12:28 PM

@archaeologue

unsay complete title atong libro nga compilation sa pictures ni meerkamp van embden ... kay basin makaadto ko ug leiden next week

Dara ang iyang gi-sulat.

By Jobers Bersales (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/opinion/view/20090205-187557/Through-foreign-lenses)
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 12:04:00 02/05/2009

Filed Under: Culture (general), history, Tourism

In 1883, 21-year-old Paulus Karel August Meerkamp van Embden arrived in Spanish Philippines on a 15-month stay that would later usher in a long career in the tobacco and hemp business spanning the most historic moments of the Philippines under two colonial masters. Returning home in the Netherlands nearly two years later, Meerkamp brought with him not just vivid memories but a diary of his travel and two albums of albumen prints (precursor of the modern photograph) that he bought or received as gifts from friends.

Returning to the Philippines months later, Meerkamp (1862-1931) continued his fascination with the lush tropical colony not just as a successful foreign trader but also as honorary Dutch consul in Manila from 1889 to 1927, and – as would be discovered much, much later – as an accidental documenter in print and text of the most interesting times in the nation’s unfolding history. In the year 2000, Otto van den Muijzenberg, professor emeritus in Southeast Asian sociology and history at the University of Amsterdam, visited Meerkamp’s grandson, K. Meerkamp van Embden, to ask for a photo of his grandfather in connection with a commemorative volume to mark 400 years of Dutch-Philippine relations.

As luck would have it, Prof. Muijzenberg came home not just with that photo but 12 albums and other documents detailing Meerkamp’s memories of the Philippines. Late last year, Meerkamp’s albumen prints and photographs finally saw print for the first time in the Philippines under a joint issue by the Ateneo de Manila University Press and final repository of Meerkamp’s precious memorabilia, the Royal Netherlands Institute of Southeast Asian and Caribbean Studies in Leiden. The book, entitled “The Philippines through European Lenses,” costs a mere P500 for an otherwise priceless collection of prints and photos.

People living beyond Manila will find great comfort in the fact that Meerkamp traveled widely and took photographs whenever and wherever he could. On pages 249-51 of the book, thus, we find five photos of Cebu, which he calls “this great hemp center of the South.” But he did not stop there, going further south to Surigao, Marawi, Iligan, Cagayan, Camiguin, and east to Catbalogan, west to Iliolo and Dumaguete on board the hemp trading ship Uranus. He also went north to the Cordilleras even as he documented through his cameras the Revolution and the subsequent Philippine-American War.

The hope that this discovery of Meerkamp’s legacy is not the last one, makes me wonder how many more albums and memoirs lie hidden somewhere in some old attic waiting for that one lucky knock on the door somewhere in the United States, in Spain or, in this case, the Netherlands – undoubtedly the last place you would find photos of the Philippines as one would expect the Dutch to have more pictures of its former colony, Indonesia.

For the moment, thanks to Meerkamp, our imaginings of what it was like in colonial Cebu, or of the nation unfolding, is one less hazy nor difficult to picture.

Animo

February 18th, 2009, 12:28 PM

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 18th, 2009, 12:56 PM

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0002-1.jpg

you know what, i enjoyed seeing this pic. I can't believe cebu had these things. I kinda love the horse drawn carriages. :okay::okay:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 18th, 2009, 12:56 PM

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0002-1.jpg

you know what, i enjoyed seeing this pic. I can't believe cebu had these things. I kinda love the horse drawn carriages. :okay::okay:

habagatcentral1

February 18th, 2009, 01:06 PM

^^ I hope tartanillas of today would look like that, hehe! Para sosyal padung San Nicolas gikan Carbon, hehe! :D

habagatcentral1

February 18th, 2009, 01:06 PM

^^ I hope tartanillas of today would look like that, hehe! Para sosyal padung San Nicolas gikan Carbon, hehe! :D

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 18th, 2009, 01:12 PM

^^
right! murag lahi ra gyud ang style sauna ug karon na tartanillas. its like whenever you'd glance upon this pic, maka-ana gyud ka na limpyo tanawon ang tartanillas coz closed siya, somewhat like a smaller version of European royal carriages minus the embroideries. :lol::lol::colgate:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 18th, 2009, 01:12 PM

habagatcentral1

February 18th, 2009, 01:16 PM

^^ Dali lang, speaking of tartanillas....My mom said that the tartanillas literally existed in much of the downtown streets till 1980s or 1990s...sa Sanciangko kuno sa una, daghan...nus-a nihunong ato?

Og...speaking of heritage...ang kanang cultural heritage sa Cebu jeepneys ba...kanang "monster jeeps" or "Canter truck jeeps" when did it started? Also when did this famous "Cebu Jeepney Codes" implemented?

Regarding jeepneys, morag nahibaw-an nako sa una that Cebu is a top producer of a-la Sarao jeepneys outside Manila..morag Chariot man to sa una...

Which brings me to the history of public transport in Cebu. Does Cebu had tramvias like those in Manila?

habagatcentral1

February 18th, 2009, 01:16 PM

bukid

February 18th, 2009, 01:35 PM

^^ Dali lang, speaking of tartanillas....My mom said that the tartanillas literally existed in much of the downtown streets till 1980s or 1990s...sa Sanciangko kuno sa una, daghan...nus-a nihunong ato?

Regarding jeepneys, morag nahibaw-an nako sa una that Cebu is a top producer of a-la Sarao jeepneys outside Manila..morag Chariot man to sa una...

naa pa to katong early 90's. pero karon murag sa pasil nalang ang naa.

sa una bitaw chariot man to ang hari sa kalsada. mabilin gud imong kalag inig andar na, labi na kung adto ka padung sa lajong lugar, nah, haskang paspasa bitaw.

bukid

February 18th, 2009, 01:35 PM

^^ Dali lang, speaking of tartanillas....My mom said that the tartanillas literally existed in much of the downtown streets till 1980s or 1990s...sa Sanciangko kuno sa una, daghan...nus-a nihunong ato?

Regarding jeepneys, morag nahibaw-an nako sa una that Cebu is a top producer of a-la Sarao jeepneys outside Manila..morag Chariot man to sa una...

naa pa to katong early 90's. pero karon murag sa pasil nalang ang naa.

sa una bitaw chariot man to ang hari sa kalsada. mabilin gud imong kalag inig andar na, labi na kung adto ka padung sa lajong lugar, nah, haskang paspasa bitaw.

Sleepwalker

February 18th, 2009, 01:42 PM

I think, the tartanilla has evolved of what is today, tungod siguro sa practical reason...Ang karaan nga style kay duha ra gud masulod, whereas, sa karon, unom man siguro masulod.

Speaking of jeepneys, same fate with tartanilla pud...Ning-evolve ang design para mas daghan masigo..I won't be surprise someday, nga container truck na unya himoon jeep sa Cebu... Joke lang...Heheheh

Sleepwalker

February 18th, 2009, 01:42 PM

habagatcentral1

February 18th, 2009, 01:50 PM

sa una bitaw chariot man to ang hari sa kalsada. mabilin gud imong kalag inig andar na, labi na kung adto ka padung sa lajong lugar, nah, haskang paspasa bitaw.

Ambot if nihunong na ang Chariot sa paghimu sa a-la Sarao jeepney kay ang kahibaw nako karon, ang Chariot tighimu sa Canter Truck jeepneys og distributor niini?

habagatcentral1

February 18th, 2009, 01:50 PM

gee

February 18th, 2009, 01:55 PM

niadtong 1980s ug early 90s ang mga jeep sa minglanilla kay panindotay ug design ug pasipaay ug stereo .... mao nauso ang suki ug sakay ... as a result ubay ubay pod nga college students nakabana ug jeepney driver ....

gee

February 18th, 2009, 01:55 PM

gee

February 18th, 2009, 01:56 PM

Dara ang iyang gi-sulat.

mastalams bay!!

gee

February 18th, 2009, 01:56 PM

Dara ang iyang gi-sulat.

mastalams bay!!

archaeologue

February 18th, 2009, 03:40 PM

@archaeologue

unsay complete title atong libro nga compilation sa pictures ni meerkamp van embden ... kay basin makaadto ko ug leiden next week

It's "The Philippines Through Foreign Lenses, Late 19th Century Photogrpahs from the Meerkamp van Embden Collection".

The European distributor is KITLV Press, P.O. Box 9515, 2300 RA Leaiden, The Netherlands.
Email: kitlvpress@kitlv.nl
Wesbite: www.kitlv.nl

Sorry i forgot to respond to your earlier query, it slipped my antiquated mind.

But I checked the website the other week and I couldn't find the book from among the publications there.

KITLV (Institute of Southeast Asian and Caribbean Studies) is the repository of the original Meerkamp photos. I hope you have time to see the originals yourself.

Enjoy Leiden, it's the intellectual capital of Holland, right? The Leiden Museum has a large collection of Filipiniana in storage. Basin makakita kag mga photos from Cebu, ask for copies ha. I was in Leiden for only a day and never had the time to rummage around. Faet!

:banana:

archaeologue

February 18th, 2009, 03:40 PM

harveharve

February 18th, 2009, 05:00 PM

Some interesting photos I found by H.F. Woods taken in 1905 from here. (http://www.ohiohistory.org/taft/index.html)
http://www.ohiohistory.org/etcetera/exhibits/taft/images/Phillippines/PH4302_Arch_and_Procession_in_Honor_of_Secretary_Taft._Cebu.jpg
A procession in honor of Secretary Taft

http://www.ohiohistory.org/etcetera/exhibits/taft/images/Phillippines/PH4401_Old_Spanish_Church._Cebu.jpg
The Cathedral

http://www.ohiohistory.org/etcetera/exhibits/taft/images/Phillippines/PH4503_Some_of_the_Local_Belles_of_Cebu.jpg
Local Belles

http://www.ohiohistory.org/etcetera/exhibits/taft/images/Phillippines/PH4505_Cebu._Old_Church.jpg
"Old Church" but which one?

harveharve

February 18th, 2009, 05:00 PM

goleyson

February 18th, 2009, 09:29 PM

I remember my grandmother mentioning about tramvia.

^^ Dali lang, speaking of tartanillas....My mom said that the tartanillas literally existed in much of the downtown streets till 1980s or 1990s...sa Sanciangko kuno sa una, daghan...nus-a nihunong ato?

Og...speaking of heritage...ang kanang cultural heritage sa Cebu jeepneys ba...kanang "monster jeeps" or "Canter truck jeeps" when did it started? Also when did this famous "Cebu Jeepney Codes" implemented?

Regarding jeepneys, morag nahibaw-an nako sa una that Cebu is a top producer of a-la Sarao jeepneys outside Manila..morag Chariot man to sa una...

Which brings me to the history of public transport in Cebu. Does Cebu had tramvias like those in Manila?

goleyson

February 18th, 2009, 09:29 PM

flesh_is_weak

February 18th, 2009, 09:32 PM

moliko sa ko kadiyot...

unsay tawag sa 'days of the week' sa atong mga katiguwangan niadtong panahon na wala pa ang mga katsila?

flesh_is_weak

February 18th, 2009, 09:32 PM

moliko sa ko kadiyot...

unsay tawag sa 'days of the week' sa atong mga katiguwangan niadtong panahon na wala pa ang mga katsila?

MatudNilaBaby

February 18th, 2009, 10:37 PM

moliko sa ko kadiyot...

unsay tawag sa 'days of the week' sa atong mga katiguwangan niadtong panahon na wala pa ang mga katsila?

we might have something before the spanish invaders came but that was probably part of the oral tradition. the concept of time of the day, days of the week, months of the year was brought to us by spain.

MatudNilaBaby

February 18th, 2009, 10:37 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

February 19th, 2009, 12:33 AM

moliko sa ko kadiyot...

unsay tawag sa 'days of the week' sa atong mga katiguwangan niadtong panahon na wala pa ang mga katsila?

I only know one. Sunday was ligidligid. :banana:

Ang_Bantayanon

February 19th, 2009, 12:33 AM

moliko sa ko kadiyot...

unsay tawag sa 'days of the week' sa atong mga katiguwangan niadtong panahon na wala pa ang mga katsila?

I only know one. Sunday was ligidligid. :banana:

sanvalente

February 19th, 2009, 12:37 AM

^^

SAnValente, I thnk the spelling is ties not tais. murag luod ra na dah. heheh.

and we found a few of them while excavating Plaza Independencia last October.

he he he .. it's okay to use rr "tais" . i don't know when or where people started to use it but as far as i can remember it was during my high school days when
this spelling was brought up until our school maestro invited the British
manager (Jardine Davies Co.) of the central who gave us a short history of the central... he mentioned the spelling of railroad "t'ais" which is evidently archaic ..
sounds Chinese too. Another term used for this is "sleepers" which the locals
find it hard not to connect with with the spartan sandals ... 'tho i agree with
you to use the term "tie" in today's usage.

sanvalente

February 19th, 2009, 12:37 AM

archaeologue

February 19th, 2009, 08:19 AM

he he he .. it's okay to use rr "tais" . i don't know when or where people started to use it but as far as i can remember it was during my high school days when
this spelling was brought up until our school maestro invited the British
manager (Jardine Davies Co.) of the central who gave us a short history of the central... he mentioned the spelling of railroad "t'ais" which is evidently archaic ..
sounds Chinese too. Another term used for this is "sleepers" which the locals
find it hard not to connect with with the spartan sandals ... 'tho i agree with
you to use the term "tie" in today's usage.

and I also agree with you, SanValente that the word t'ais may be of a chinese origin.

let me ask my brother tonight when he is not busy.

hehe..

archaeologue

February 19th, 2009, 08:19 AM

archaeologue

February 19th, 2009, 09:09 AM

we might have something before the spanish invaders came but that was probably part of the oral tradition. the concept of time of the day, days of the week, months of the year was brought to us by spain.

MatudNilaBaby, you are correct in assuming that we got names for days, months and year from Spain but only when you are referring to the Western calendar.

But we had our own (just as every society always has a time scale), based not on that calendar but on the agricutural cycle.

Here are some helpful words, many of them still used today:

Adlaw is a preHispanic word for day

Gabii for night.

Tuig is our word for year

Bulan for one lunar cycle.

High noon is udto or odto na ang adlaw

Pagsidlak is our word for dawn just when the sun is about to burst.
and so on...words like Palis for early afternoon, Ligas for mid-afternoon till sunset.

Igsirinto when it is too dark to see after the sun has set.

Subang is new moon

Takdul is full moon.

In between these two are many terms for the motions of the moon.

Our months were reckoned this way:

Katparasan (roughly January to March)

Kattaloto (roughyl March-May)

Katlawaan (roughly June-August)

Katkisiw (October-December)

now, let me look for that set of seven days that is supposed to be pre-Hispanic, as opposed to the 5-day week of the Javanese.

:banana:

archaeologue

February 19th, 2009, 09:09 AM

archaeologue

February 19th, 2009, 09:12 AM

archaeologue

February 19th, 2009, 09:12 AM

habagatcentral1

February 19th, 2009, 02:17 PM

It has been a long time since this pictures were taken. I dunno if it was posted here before but this house in Barili I think became the town hall for a short period of time...

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1120424.jpg

Inside...
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1120448.jpg

The Company...:D
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1120456.jpg

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Archdiocesan Shrine of Saint Anne. Barili, Cebu
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1120463.jpg

habagatcentral1

February 19th, 2009, 02:17 PM

gee

February 19th, 2009, 03:18 PM

It's "The Philippines Through Foreign Lenses, Late 19th Century Photogrpahs from the Meerkamp van Embden Collection".

The European distributor is KITLV Press, P.O. Box 9515, 2300 RA Leaiden, The Netherlands.
Email: kitlvpress@kitlv.nl
Wesbite: www.kitlv.nl

Sorry i forgot to respond to your earlier query, it slipped my antiquated mind.

But I checked the website the other week and I couldn't find the book from among the publications there.

KITLV (Institute of Southeast Asian and Caribbean Studies) is the repository of the original Meerkamp photos. I hope you have time to see the originals yourself.

Enjoy Leiden, it's the intellectual capital of Holland, right? The Leiden Museum has a large collection of Filipiniana in storage. Basin makakita kag mga photos from Cebu, ask for copies ha. I was in Leiden for only a day and never had the time to rummage around. Faet! :banana:

salamat daan @archaeologue... kung madayon man gani ko, basin usa ra pod ko kaadlaw :ohno:

gee

February 19th, 2009, 03:18 PM

SleMarKen

February 19th, 2009, 05:36 PM

SleMarKen

February 19th, 2009, 05:36 PM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 20th, 2009, 01:55 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 20th, 2009, 01:55 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 20th, 2009, 01:56 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 20th, 2009, 01:56 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 20th, 2009, 02:00 AM

I remember my grandmother mentioning about tramvia.

The tranvia only functioned in Manila. My dad used to tell me all about it. It was so much like the cable cars in San Fransisco.

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 20th, 2009, 02:00 AM

I remember my grandmother mentioning about tramvia.

The tranvia only functioned in Manila. My dad used to tell me all about it. It was so much like the cable cars in San Fransisco.

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 20th, 2009, 02:02 AM

Baby Pace told me a very romantic , if tragic, story about the original owners of this house.

It has been a long time since this pictures were taken. I dunno if it was posted here before but this house in Barili I think became the town hall for a short period of time...

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1120424.jpg

Inside...
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1120448.jpg

The Company...:D
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1120456.jpg

----------
Archdiocesan Shrine of Saint Anne. Barili, Cebu
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1120463.jpg

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 20th, 2009, 02:02 AM

archaeologue

February 20th, 2009, 03:58 AM

archaeologue

February 20th, 2009, 03:58 AM

Taga Bogo

February 20th, 2009, 06:05 AM

Taga Bogo

February 20th, 2009, 06:05 AM

Taga Bogo

February 20th, 2009, 06:08 AM

It has been a long time since this pictures were taken. I dunno if it was posted here before but this house in Barili I think became the town hall for a short period of time...

The Company...:D
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1120456.jpg

Hope it would not be much to ask for captions and who is the current owner of this house is. Can this be viewed by the general public?

Taga Bogo

February 20th, 2009, 06:08 AM

Taga Bogo

February 20th, 2009, 06:14 AM

I only know one. Sunday was ligidligid. :banana:

Days of the Week

TIGBURUKAD (Mon) “bukad”, pagsugod o pagbukas
DUMASUN (Tues) “dasun”, pagsunod o pagbanus
DUKOTDUOT (Wed) “dukot”, pagpilit o pagtuman sa buhat
BAYLOBAYLO (Thurs) “baylo”, pag-ilis, adlaw sa tabo
DANGHUS (Fri) “hangos”, kaluya tungod sa pagbuhat
HINGUTHINGOT (Sat) “hingot”, pagpahamis o paghapsay sa ginabuhat o butang
LIGIDLIGID (Sun) “ligid”, paghigda o pagpahulay

Ang_Bantayanon sorry for my ignorance, I thought you meant this as a jest "I only know one. Sunday was ligidligid." Anyway, as a peace offering, friday the 13th in cebuano is ting sel sa ayala human sa ting sweldo :)

Taga Bogo

February 20th, 2009, 06:14 AM

archaeologue

February 20th, 2009, 09:15 AM

Days of the Week

TIGBURUKAD (Mon) “bukad”, pagsugod o pagbukas
DUMASUN (Tues) “dasun”, pagsunod o pagbanus
DUKOTDUOT (Wed) “dukot”, pagpilit o pagtuman sa buhat
BAYLOBAYLO (Thurs) “baylo”, pag-ilis, adlaw sa tabo
DANGHUS (Fri) “hangos”, kaluya tungod sa pagbuhat
HINGUTHINGOT (Sat) “hingot”, pagpahamis o paghapsay sa ginabuhat o butang
LIGIDLIGID (Sun) “ligid”, paghigda o pagpahulay

Ang mga Bulan (courtesy of Cebuano Studies Center director Dr. Erlinda K. Alburo):

ULALONG (Jan)
DAGANGKAHOY (Feb)
DAGANGBULAN (March)
KILING (April)
HIMABUYAN (May)
KABAY (June)
HIDAPDAPON (July)
LUBADLUBAD (Aug)
KANGURULSOL (Sept)
BAGYOBAGYO (Oct)
PANGLOT NGA DIUTAY (Nov)
PANGLOT NGA DAKU (Dec)

IMO, these names were made as equivalents for the Western calendar and are therefore adaptations of the same probably done during the Spanish period.

oopos...nag-email si Linda Alburo og caveat/rejoinder regarding these days and months in Cebuano. here is her message:

"pero akong feeling fake ni, morag sa Povedano ba kayha to ni, apan daghan nang mituo ani, unfortunately partly because I have disseminated it (tingali) haha. Kita nuon ko ani sa kalendaryo sa mga Eskaya (nga fake sad haha)."

---she is referring to the Eskaya tribe of Bohol (not the resort nga grabe kamahal!) which is considered by anthropologists as fake.

archaeologue

February 20th, 2009, 09:15 AM

Animo

February 20th, 2009, 09:27 AM

I also don't think the civilization of the inhabitants had the technology to have had an organized time, days or months of the year. The inhabitants based their traditions orally. I would assumed that they would just know the months of harvest but no concept of time/day (ex. 8:00AM of Monday of the month of January) to have made a calendar. I don't even think the Spanish friars made a written account about these if ever they existed.

Animo

February 20th, 2009, 09:27 AM

AmbutLang

February 20th, 2009, 09:38 AM

MatudNilaBaby, you are correct in assuming that we got names for days, months and year from Spain but only when you are referring to the Western calendar.

But we had our own (just as every society always has a time scale), based not on that calendar but on the agricutural cycle.

Here are some helpful words, many of them still used today:

Adlaw is a preHispanic word for day

Gabii for night.

Tuig is our word for year

Bulan for one lunar cycle.

High noon is udto or odto na ang adlaw

Pagsidlak is our word for dawn just when the sun is about to burst.
and so on...words like Palis for early afternoon, Ligas for mid-afternoon till sunset.

Igsirinto when it is too dark to see after the sun has set.

Subang is new moon

Takdul is full moon.

In between these two are many terms for the motions of the moon.

Our months were reckoned this way:

Katparasan (roughly January to March)

Kattaloto (roughyl March-May)

Katlawaan (roughly June-August)

Katkisiw (October-December)

now, let me look for that set of seven days that is supposed to be pre-Hispanic, as opposed to the 5-day week of the Javanese.

:banana:

High noon - udtong tutuk

AmbutLang

February 20th, 2009, 09:38 AM

Mercato

February 20th, 2009, 09:45 AM

Mercato

February 20th, 2009, 09:45 AM

Animo

February 20th, 2009, 09:50 AM

Animo

February 20th, 2009, 09:50 AM

LordCarnal

February 20th, 2009, 12:39 PM

Hope it would not be much to ask for captions and who is the current owner of this house is. Can this be viewed by the general public?

Left to Right: Me, Ang_Bantayanon, Msgr. Pono, the owners, Habagat_Cntr

The owners are the Yu Villas I think..

..

LordCarnal

February 20th, 2009, 12:39 PM

Mercato

February 20th, 2009, 02:48 PM

^^ Bwahahaha... Mao bitao Bai! Na tingala lang ko kay ñgano man sa domingo mag-ligidligid? :D

I also got a question: The wheel and plow were introduced by the Spanish to the native inhabitants. In Cebuano wheel = ligid does this mean that the technology of the wheel were already in used? Or has the original meaning of the word changed to suit the "wheel" technology that was introduced? :lol: Para nako mas labing maau con i-encourage ang mga Bisaya sa pag-ligid ligid para sa atoang "strength in numbers". Kay matud pa ra ba sa usa ka survey sa miagi lang mi-kubos man kuno ang gidaghanon sa mga bisaya speakers, actually across all 3 major groups man kaha to.

Ang kanang pu'ong nga ligid can also be taken as a verb, not only as a noun. I believe the verb form of ligid came first. When the proverbial wheel technology was introduced, the verb form also took another meaning, the noun form. (apan mas lami guihapon to'ng verb form kay mokatay ang akong imahinasyon). :lol:

Mercato

February 20th, 2009, 02:48 PM

harveharve

February 20th, 2009, 08:30 PM

I remember somebody wanted photos of churches from the Archdiocese of Cebu. Here's a set from the Province of Cebu website (http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/index.htm)... I'm just posting it here so that the peeps won't have to switch broswers hehe

http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix001.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix002.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix003.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix004.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix005.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix006.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix007.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix008.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix009.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix010.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix011.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix012.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix013.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix014.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix015.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix016.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix017.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix018.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix019.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix020.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix021.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix022.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix023.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix024.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix025.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix026.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix027.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix028.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix029.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix030.jpg

harveharve

February 20th, 2009, 08:30 PM

harveharve

February 20th, 2009, 08:37 PM

http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix031.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix032.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix033.jpg
http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix034.jpg
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harveharve

February 20th, 2009, 08:37 PM

flesh_is_weak

February 20th, 2009, 09:13 PM

tinuod ba nga gipaundang ang pagtukod sa ikaduhang simbahan sa Tudela tungod kay nisupak ang mga kadagkuan sa simbahan sa disenyo niini, na matud pa sa kuno nila, wala ninsubay sa pagtulun-an sa simbahan?

ug pwede pud mamalihug ug lista sa mga patron/patrona sa mga simbahan sa mga lungsod sa Sugbo? daghang salamat...

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lain na pangutana kabahin sa konsepto sa oras, unsa man ang mga nahibaw-an sa atong mga katiguwangan mahitungod sa astronomiya? nabantayan ba sab nila ang mga planeta ug uban pang butang sa kawanangan?

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this interest by the way began when i notice that the oriental calendar shared similarities with the western calendar...
WEST | EAST
monday = moon's day moon's day
tuesday = mars' day fire day (mars is associated with fire)
wednesday = mercury's day water day (mercury is associated with water)
thursday = jupiter's day tree day (jupiter is associated with tree i.e. zeus' oracle in the oak trees)
friday = venus' day metal/gold day
saturday = saturn's day soil day (saturn is associated with the soil and agriculture)
sunday = sun's day sun's day

flesh_is_weak

February 20th, 2009, 09:13 PM

MatudNilaBaby

February 21st, 2009, 12:15 AM

how about pictures of churches in towns with more than one parish? im sure theyre not that old structures as they were created when the town or city's parish got bigger. i know tabunok and lawaan in talisay, tuyan and uling of naga, buanoy of balamban, lutupan of toledo, guinabasan in asturias and tubigang manok in tuburan are separate parishes. mandaue has another parish i think.

where's the pix of cebu city churches? hapit na biya ang semana santa i really like to see pix of their new altars during visita iglesi

MatudNilaBaby

February 21st, 2009, 12:15 AM

Taga Bogo

February 21st, 2009, 03:23 AM

oopos...nag-email si Linda Alburo og caveat/rejoinder regarding these days and months in Cebuano. here is her message:

"pero akong feeling fake ni, morag sa Povedano ba kayha to ni, apan daghan nang mituo ani, unfortunately partly because I have disseminated it (tingali) haha. Kita nuon ko ani sa kalendaryo sa mga Eskaya (nga fake sad haha)."

---she is referring to the Eskaya tribe of Bohol (not the resort nga grabe kamahal!) which is considered by anthropologists as fake.

JoeB
Before my concerns let me make my comment, sikata djud nimo uy, gawas naman sad ka sa TV with susan medina sa ANC and your museo Cebu. Kaduha nako kita sa TV nimo puros national ang coverage.

Back to heritage. "LIGIDLIGID (Sun) “ligid”, paghigda o pagpahulay" I also have a concern on sunday as ligid ligid. Ligid in cebuano connotes rest or doing nothing. "God rested on the 7th day" is a Judaism concept. Spain brought christianinty to us. It is nice t think sunday as rest day pero:
1. Would LIGIDLIGID (Sun) “ligid”, paghigda o pagpahulay, if true, be recent, after Magellan.
2. Did we have a concept of a rest day, not necessarily sunday, before spain.

Taga Bogo

February 21st, 2009, 03:23 AM

Taga Bogo

February 21st, 2009, 03:27 AM

Left to Right: Me, Ang_Bantayanon, Msgr. Pono, the owners, Habagat_Cntr

The owners are the Yu Villas I think..

..

Thanks Nold

Taga Bogo

February 21st, 2009, 03:27 AM

Left to Right: Me, Ang_Bantayanon, Msgr. Pono, the owners, Habagat_Cntr

The owners are the Yu Villas I think..

..

Thanks Nold

Taga Bogo

February 21st, 2009, 03:42 AM

http://cebu.gov.ph/links/CulturalMapping/PHOTO%20GALLERY/OTHER%20EVENTS/mga%20simbahan%20sa%20sugbo/images/pix033.jpg

The facade of the San Remegio church is a product of "modernization". Good thing it does not look too modernized.

The doors used to face the sea, now it is facing the opposite direction.

Would you know why were the older churches in Cebu mostly, if not all, facing the sea?

Taga Bogo

February 21st, 2009, 03:42 AM

Ka_Bino

February 21st, 2009, 05:49 AM

Ka_Bino

February 21st, 2009, 05:49 AM

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 21st, 2009, 06:10 AM

The facade of the San Remegio church is a product of "modernization". Good thing it does not look too modernized.

The doors used to face the sea, now it is facing the opposite direction.

Would you know why were the older churches in Cebu mostly, if not all, facing the sea?

^^ nice observation though but IMO, maybe because they feel that the sea brings luck. :okay:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 21st, 2009, 06:10 AM

Sleepwalker

February 21st, 2009, 06:14 AM

Isn't it more on pirate raids?

Sleepwalker

February 21st, 2009, 06:14 AM

Isn't it more on pirate raids?

habagatcentral1

February 21st, 2009, 06:16 AM

What Spanish colonial church in Cebu that doesn't face the sea? :D

habagatcentral1

February 21st, 2009, 06:16 AM

What Spanish colonial church in Cebu that doesn't face the sea? :D

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 21st, 2009, 06:22 AM

^^

can i say, Basilica minore del santo nino? :lol::lol::D

Isn't it more on pirate raids?

it might be because the spaniards were mesmerized by the beauty of the philippine seas and to their surprise the unscrupulously raiding of morros in every inch of spanish town built many watch towers to protect them from the attacks.hehe..:lol::lol:;)

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 21st, 2009, 06:22 AM

Sleepwalker

February 21st, 2009, 06:40 AM

[QUOTE=mAiNsTrEaMhunter;32624398]^^

can i say, Basilica minore del santo nino? :lol::lol::D

/QUOTE]

Basilica del Sto. Nino is facing Pier Uno... :)

Sleepwalker

February 21st, 2009, 06:40 AM

[QUOTE=mAiNsTrEaMhunter;32624398]^^

can i say, Basilica minore del santo nino? :lol::lol::D

/QUOTE]

Basilica del Sto. Nino is facing Pier Uno... :)

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 21st, 2009, 07:51 AM

Isn't it more on pirate raids?

pero layo ra man beh!hehe..:lol::lol::laugh:

diba cebu is an island surrounded by water so wherever you place the front door of a church, it still faces the sea in any direction...:okay::okay:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 21st, 2009, 07:51 AM

harveharve

February 21st, 2009, 07:59 AM

I'm no expert but I believe churches are supposed to face east, most of the churches on the eastern coast of cebu will definitely have to face the sea hehehe

harveharve

February 21st, 2009, 07:59 AM

I'm no expert but I believe churches are supposed to face east, most of the churches on the eastern coast of cebu will definitely have to face the sea hehehe

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 21st, 2009, 08:27 AM

^^

I guess all eastern churches faces the eastern sea (Visayan Sea & Cebu Strait) and the western churches faces the western seas (Tañon Strait). hehe..:okay:;):D

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 21st, 2009, 08:27 AM

^^

I guess all eastern churches faces the eastern sea (Visayan Sea & Cebu Strait) and the western churches faces the western seas (Tañon Strait). hehe..:okay:;):D

habagatcentral1

February 21st, 2009, 08:30 AM

I'm no expert but I believe churches are supposed to face east, most of the churches on the eastern coast of cebu will definitely have to face the sea hehehe

But I think Cebu has some special reason why most of the Spanish colonial churches face the sea. I dunno about the western Cebu towns.

EDIT:
I think Barili Church does not face the sea...

habagatcentral1

February 21st, 2009, 08:30 AM

Taga Bogo

February 21st, 2009, 08:30 AM

I'm no expert but I believe churches are supposed to face east, most of the churches on the eastern coast of cebu will definitely have to face the sea hehehe

Re "I'm no expert but I believe churches are supposed to face east," That "no expert" part is also true with me. The thing is, all towns and cities in Cebu are coastal, there are no towns and cities without "beachfront". Many of those older churches in the eastern cebu are also facing the sea side. This would be including the ones in Boljoon, whose grounds were dug up by JoeBers (for archaelogical purposes), Argao, Samboan, Naga and Danao City. The town of San Remegio is on the western side of Cebu, before the "modernization" it was facing west. The western side towns with older churches, Bantayan (Bantayan Island), Daan Bantayan, Medellin, Balamban and Toledo City, the doors of their churches are facing the seaside west.

The present Bogo church, facing north, is quite recent, post WWII. Its a long and different story why it was transferred about half a kilometer from its original site.

Taga Bogo

February 21st, 2009, 08:30 AM

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 21st, 2009, 08:36 AM

But I think Cebu has some special reason why most of the Spanish colonial churches face the sea. I dunno about the western Cebu towns.

EDIT:
I think Barili Church does not face the sea...

right! my father hails from barili and the santa ana church is quite inland. murag naa sa centro sa poblacion. wala daplin sa dalan na kita ang aplaya. :okay:

Re "I'm no expert but I believe churches are supposed to face east," That "no expert" part is also true with me. The thing is, all towns and cities in Cebu are coastal, there are no towns and cities without "beachfront". Many of those older churches in the eastern cebu are also facing the sea side. This would be including the ones in Boljoon, whose grounds were dug up by JoeBers (for archaelogical purposes), Argao, Samboan, Naga and Danao City. San Remegio is on the western side of Cebu, before the "modernization" it was facing west. The towns of Bantayan (Bantayan Island), Daan Bantayan and Medellin are all on the western side, the doors of their churches are facing the seaside west.

The present Bogo church, facing north, is quite recent, post WWII. Its a long and different story why it was transferred about half a kilometer from its original site.

right! maybe that's the reason..:okay:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 21st, 2009, 08:36 AM

AmbutLang

February 21st, 2009, 08:54 AM

Re "I'm no expert but I believe churches are supposed to face east," That "no expert" part is also true with me. The thing is, all towns and cities in Cebu are coastal, there are no towns and cities without "beachfront". Many of those older churches in the eastern cebu are also facing the sea side. This would be including the ones in Boljoon, whose grounds were dug up by JoeBers (for archaelogical purposes), Argao, Samboan, Naga and Danao City. San Remegio is on the western side of Cebu, before the "modernization" it was facing west. The towns of Bantayan (Bantayan Island), Daan Bantayan, Medellinm Balamban and Toledo City are all on the western side, the doors of their churches are facing the seaside west.

The present Bogo church, facing north, is quite recent, post WWII. Its a long and different story why it was transferred about half a kilometer from its original site.

I prefer this location because my house is literally beside the Church pero sige ka late gihapon mo simba. :bash:

Sa akong nabantayan San Vicente Church was renovated twice in the 60's and around 2005 ba to nga gi slope nila ang interior which I like so as to let the people to attend the Mass better like an auditorium. The balcony had been added. As I remember, the Chuch was very warm inside unlike now.

IMO, The Churches are facing the sea because it was used as a lookout for fishing vessels, merchants and otherwise since they were the highest point of view for observation (Kampanareo) and the bell (Kampana) for alarm to call the populace attentions.

AmbutLang

February 21st, 2009, 08:54 AM

Sleepwalker

February 21st, 2009, 09:39 AM

I just watch History Channel's documentary entitled "Magellan's Lost Fleet", pintados man diay si Lapulapu ug Humabon noh? Why is it that the monument of Lapulapu is not tattoed?

Sleepwalker

February 21st, 2009, 09:39 AM

I just watch History Channel's documentary entitled "Magellan's Lost Fleet", pintados man diay si Lapulapu ug Humabon noh? Why is it that the monument of Lapulapu is not tattoed?

Taga Bogo

February 21st, 2009, 09:44 AM

I prefer this location because my house is literally beside the Church pero sige ka late gihapon mo simba. :bash:

Sa akong nabantayan San Vicente Church was renovated twice in the 60's and around 2005 ba to nga gi slope nila ang interior which I like so as to let the people to attend the Mass better like an auditorium. The balcony had been added. As I remember, the Chuch was very warm inside unlike now.

IMO, The Churches are facing the sea because it was used as a lookout for fishing vessels, merchants and otherwise since they were the highest point of view for observation (Kampanareo) and the bell (Kampana) for alarm to call the populace attentions.

"Sa akong nabantayan San Vicente Church was renovated twice in the 60's and around 2005 ba to nga gi slope nila ang interior which I like so as to let the people to attend the Mass better like an auditorium." - The original site was on what is now the town plaza's central western side. The present one started construction in the 20s. As with other towns and cities then, the influential residents lives around the church area. The resistance by these influentials prevented the transfer. The construction done on the present site was only limited to the columns. Not till the american bombs destroyed the second church (on the site of the first) in WWII was the tranfer possible. There was a sort of a town hall meeting where locals agreed on the merits of the present site than reconstructing on the original site.

This topic will be discussed on the Bogo book prohect of USC. All towns and cities of Cebu will have a better reference when this USC project, funded by Cebu Provincial Govt., will have been published.

Taga Bogo

February 21st, 2009, 09:44 AM