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Taga Bogo
April 16th, 2009, 11:13 AM
I remember reading from Col. Segura's book Tabunan that a truck was parked underneath the Capitol laden with banknotes and coins while some which could not be accommodated inside were burned somewhere where the Palace of Justice now stands. I forgot who the governor was when tunnels were found at the Capitol which they had to close in fear that it was boobytrapped with bombs.

Bai Harve here is something that should add a little information about the banknotes and coins you mentioned (in red)

source
http://mysite.verizon.net/cookiejarpi/Articles/CebuEmergencyNotesofWorldWarII.html

Cebu Emergency Notes of World War II
By Kenneth J. Berger

When the Pacific War broke out in the Philippines on 8 December 1941(which was, because of the International Date Line, 7 December 1941 in Hawaii), Julian Jumalon was working as an artist, painting landscapes in oil, operating an airbrush portraiture business, and conducting a small drawing class. On December 29, the Philippine National Bank (PNB) in Cebu received a telegram from Philippine President Manuel L. Quezon authorizing creation of the Cebu Currency Committee and the printing of emergency paper money to help finance the war effort. The committee was chaired by Simeon C. Miranda, acting manager of the PNB/Cebu Branch;
Provincial Fiscal (Attorney General) Feliberto Imperial Reyes and Provincial Auditor Roman T. del Bando were committee members.

Meeting that same afternoon, the committee summoned Jumalon, who, being a deputy air-raid warden, was still in the city. Jumalon's arrival was met with a question from Miranda: "Did you ever design money?" Somewhat shaken, Jumalon replied, "No sir, I have never forged any money." Allaying the artist's fears, Miranda explained that the committee wanted him to design emergency notes and showed him the telegram from President Quezon, as well as examples of the 10-, 20- and 50-centavo emergency circulating notes of 1917. Interestingly, Jumalon remembered these notes from his childhood in Zamboanga, where they were called "Meliciano" money (after the melicianos, or militia recruits).

The committee asked Jumalon first to design a 1-peso note with the creation of 5, 10, 20 and 50 centavos to follow. This plan was set aside however because of the pressing need for money to pay salaries and other necessary expenditures. Instead, the 2-, 5-, 10- and 20-peso notes were produced next. In total, Jumalon completed 18 designs (one for each side of nine denominations) in January 1942. However, at present the 2 peso is unknown in collections and, therefore, not listed in references.

Interestingly, Jumalon recalled that Miranda bought the notes of each Denomination-bearing serial numbers from 1 to 100 for his personal collection, which was lost during the war. Thus, it should be practically impossible for collectors to obtain low serial numbers of Cebu's emergency circulating notes of 1941.

Augustin Ramirez engraved the plates for the Imperial Engraving Plant in Cebu City, which was owned by the Clavano family. The Visayan Press, owned by Isabelo Binamira (later a Congressman from Cebu), was contracted to print the notes. When the designs were complete and printing ready to commence, Jumalon was assigned to direct color mixing and to examine the printed sheets for deficiencies. Together with the printing firms employees, he also was to witness the burning of condemned notes. These condemned notes were not serially numbered, since numbers were printed only on sheets deemed acceptable.

The notes were printed on Hammermill Ledger Bond paper supplied by the Photo Materials Company and the Menzi Paper Company. The Photo Materials Company also cut and separated the notes. To speed production, the notes were printed in blocks of 10 cuts per denomination. In mid February 1942, this paper supply was exhausted and the printing stopped.

The next batch of paper was supplied by Bais Sugar Central of Negros Occidental. It was manufactured from sugar cane bagaso ("waste") mixed with paper pulp. White Bais paper watermarked with parallel lines was used for the larger denominations, while the smaller denominations were printed on coarse, yellow paper.

The Cebu Emergency Currency Board (CECB) was created on 1 March 1942, with Acting Provincial Auditor Roman T. del Bando as chairman; Acting Provincial Treasurer Pedro Elizalde and Cebu City Treasurer Rosalio D. Macrohon were committee members. By CECB authority, Jumalon designed treasury emergency currency certificates. Although only 5-, 10- and 20-peso notes are now known, according to Jumalon's diary he also created 5-, 10-, 20- and 50-centavo and 1- and 2-peso notes. This agrees with a comment in Neil Shafer‚s Philippine Emergency and Guerrilla Currency of World War II that "there was a Œcomplete series‚ for the 1942 issue" and with Albert Pick‚s Standard Catalog of World Paper Money, which states that "[c]entavo notes were planned but never got past the design stage .
. . [and] . . . no 2 Pesos notes had been completely printed."

Because of time constraints, the smaller denominations of 1941 Iloilo emergency circulating notes and 1942 Mindanao treasury emergency currency certificates bear certain resemblances to Cebu's 1941 and 1942 emissions, respectively. During the printing of Cebu's emergency circulating notes of 1941, a delegation from Iloilo led by Captain Cook requested designs and plates for small-denomination emergency currency. Since Jumalon was too busy at the time to work on new notes specifically for Iloilo, a compromise was reached. The names of the signatories, places, dates, etc., were superimposed on the Cebu designs. Mindanao's 1942 treasury emergency currency certificates were made in a similar manner; the plates were completed by Ramirez.

Although this agrees with Shafer's statement that "various notes of the first and second Cebu emissions served as models for some of the [other provincial] emergency notes," it does not confirm his statements that it was an "attempt at standardization" and that a "serious attempt at standardization of designs with those of Cebu is evident." According to Jumalon, there was no known intention of preparing a similar design for the neighboring areas, and, as the notes' designer, he would have known
of the slightest hint of such intent.

It was also during the printing of either the 1941 or 1942 Cebu notes that the press ran out of ink. Professor Balce of the University of the Philippines Chemistry Department was called in to produce a substitute ink. Balce's attempt being unsuccessful, Jumalon recommended painters‚ refined tinting colors. However, since all the hardware stores had closed up shop, Captain Cook‚s assistance was requested. With the help of soldiers wielding axes, two hardware stores were opened and tinting
colors, retarders and fast driers obtained. With these supplies, Professor Balce was able to produce ink of the correct consistency.

After the completion of the designs for the CECB, which were printed by either the Visayan Press or the Barba Press, a delegation arrived from Negros Occidental with a request for note designs and plates. Not being as rushed this time, Jumalon was able to create original designs, and, once again, Ramirez produced the plates. Jumalon remembers that he designed a complete set of nine notes, with denominations from 5 centavos to 20 pesos. However, as with Cebu‚s 2-peso emergency circulating note of 1941, no 20-peso note for this issue is listed in numismatic references.

Some time later, another Negros delegation asked for more artistic, more imposing and superior designs for nine denominations. Jumalon collaborated with Oscar Figuracion, a commercial artist and oil painter, to accomplish the task. At the time, both artists performed their work at the Imperial Engraving Plant. Jumalon began by designing a 10-peso note featuring a Mount Mayon volcano landscape, while Figuracion created a 20 pesos showing President Quezon wearing boots and planting rice. By the second night, 9 April 1942, the designs were ready and engraving had started, but the announcement of Bataan's surrender put a stop to everything.

All parties involved in the production of emergency currency were instructed to proceed to the grounds of the capitol to witness, together with the military, the burning of approximately 3 million pesos that had been scheduled for distribution the following day. Because of strafing by enemy planes, Jumalon was unable to reach the capitol grounds. After Cebu was liberated by the Americans, a representative of one of the notes‚ signatories informed Jumalon that several people looted the burning pile of currency, salvaging unburned bundles of 10- and 20-peso notes.

Later, in 1943, Jumalon was ordered to appear at a secret guerrilla hideout on the outskirts of Carcar, a town in Cebu. Told of a plan to print guerrilla money to augment the notes in circulation, he insisted that authorization first be obtained from the exiled government. Accordingly, Jumalon was told to await further instructions, but he was never contacted again.

In 1944 Jumalon‚s family was evacuated to Ormoc in Leyte,where he joined Brigadier General Blas Miranda‚s Western Leyte Guerrillas as intelligence officer with the rank of second lieutenant. He was later captured by the Japanese military police, but managed to escape soon afterward.

Following the war, Jumalon learned that emergency currency notes bearing his design were secretly printed at a mountain hideout in a Cebuan town. No details as to design, press, denominations, paper or quantity are known. Jumalon also has seen a counterfeit of the 1941 Cebu 20-peso emergency circulating note, produced as a pen-and-ink drawing and colored to match. Also, he is aware of a counterfeit 50-centavo note of the same issue, created with a finely carved rubber stamp on manila paper treated with a "Joebrush" dye to simulate the Bais yellow-colored paper.

Although Jumalon was able to keep his preliminary currency sketches for many years after the war, they were attacked by termites and eventually discarded. He never received full payment for his services at the printer‚s or for the Cebu and Negros Occidental designs (they were considered pre-war, or Commonwealth, obligations).

He was not bitter about this, however, and stated "It was a worthy adventure --- an honor to serve [my country], while all [the other] printers were safe in the mountains with their families." After the war, he held positions at the University of San Carlos and the University of the Philippines/Cebu. Later, he operated a butterfly sanctuary and an art gallery of mosaics made from butterfly and moth wings in Basak, Cebu City. Sadly, Prof. Jumalon passed away on 26 June 2000.

Addendum:

During my meetings with Prof. Jumalon, he graciously autographed for me a number of the notes he designed; these are now a treasured part of my collection. But the best was still yet to come. When I saw Prof. Jumalon for the last time, he showed me two incompletely printed copies of the 1-peso CEBU 1941 Philippine National Bank Emergency Circulating Note which he had salvaged from the condemned sheets. One had both the front & back printed but without serial numbers since they were applied last; the other only had the front printed with the back still blank. He said that he planned to donate one of the notes to the Cebu City Museum but that he would first like me to pick the one I wanted. I picked the second note and this note, I am pleased to say, is now also a very treasured part of my collection.

Sources

del Bando, R.T. Letter to Julian Jumalon, February 5, 1946.

Jumalon, Julian N. Personal conversations, June 1991 through May 1992.

Miranda, Simeon. Letter "To Whom It May Concern," September 11, 1946.

Pick, Albert. Standard Catalog of World Paper Money. Vol. I, 6th ed.
lola, WI:
Krause Publications, 1990, p. 800.

Shafer, Neil. Philippine Emergency and Guerrilla Currency of World War
II. Racine, WI: Western Publishing Company, 1974, pp. 73, 76, 98.

World War II Emergency Currency Notes
Designed by Julian Jumalon

CEBU
1941 Philippine National Bank Emergency Circulating Notes
5 centavos
10 centavos
20 centavos
50 centavos
1 peso
2 pesos (unlisted)
5 pesos
10 pesos
20 pesos

1942 Treasury Emergency Currency Certificates
5 centavos (unlisted)
10 centavos (unlisted)
20 centavos (unlisted)
50 centavos (unlisted)
1 peso (unlisted)
2 pesos (unlisted)
5 pesos
10 pesos
20 pesos

ILOILO
1941 Philippine National Bank Emergency Circulating Notes
5 centavos
10 centavos
20 centavos
50 centavos

MINDANAO
1942 Treasury Emergency Currency Certificates
2 pesos
5 pesos
10 pesos
20 pesos

NEGROS OCCIDENTAL
1942 Emergency Circulating Notes
5 centavos
10 centavos
20 centavos
50 centavos
1 peso
2 pesos
5 pesos
10 pesos
20 pesos (unlisted)

Taga Bogo
April 16th, 2009, 11:13 AM
I remember reading from Col. Segura's book Tabunan that a truck was parked underneath the Capitol laden with banknotes and coins while some which could not be accommodated inside were burned somewhere where the Palace of Justice now stands. I forgot who the governor was when tunnels were found at the Capitol which they had to close in fear that it was boobytrapped with bombs.

Bai Harve here is something that should add a little information about the banknotes and coins you mentioned (in red)

source
http://mysite.verizon.net/cookiejarpi/Articles/CebuEmergencyNotesofWorldWarII.html

Cebu Emergency Notes of World War II
By Kenneth J. Berger

When the Pacific War broke out in the Philippines on 8 December 1941(which was, because of the International Date Line, 7 December 1941 in Hawaii), Julian Jumalon was working as an artist, painting landscapes in oil, operating an airbrush portraiture business, and conducting a small drawing class. On December 29, the Philippine National Bank (PNB) in Cebu received a telegram from Philippine President Manuel L. Quezon authorizing creation of the Cebu Currency Committee and the printing of emergency paper money to help finance the war effort. The committee was chaired by Simeon C. Miranda, acting manager of the PNB/Cebu Branch;
Provincial Fiscal (Attorney General) Feliberto Imperial Reyes and Provincial Auditor Roman T. del Bando were committee members.

Meeting that same afternoon, the committee summoned Jumalon, who, being a deputy air-raid warden, was still in the city. Jumalon's arrival was met with a question from Miranda: "Did you ever design money?" Somewhat shaken, Jumalon replied, "No sir, I have never forged any money." Allaying the artist's fears, Miranda explained that the committee wanted him to design emergency notes and showed him the telegram from President Quezon, as well as examples of the 10-, 20- and 50-centavo emergency circulating notes of 1917. Interestingly, Jumalon remembered these notes from his childhood in Zamboanga, where they were called "Meliciano" money (after the melicianos, or militia recruits).

The committee asked Jumalon first to design a 1-peso note with the creation of 5, 10, 20 and 50 centavos to follow. This plan was set aside however because of the pressing need for money to pay salaries and other necessary expenditures. Instead, the 2-, 5-, 10- and 20-peso notes were produced next. In total, Jumalon completed 18 designs (one for each side of nine denominations) in January 1942. However, at present the 2 peso is unknown in collections and, therefore, not listed in references.

Interestingly, Jumalon recalled that Miranda bought the notes of each Denomination-bearing serial numbers from 1 to 100 for his personal collection, which was lost during the war. Thus, it should be practically impossible for collectors to obtain low serial numbers of Cebu's emergency circulating notes of 1941.

Augustin Ramirez engraved the plates for the Imperial Engraving Plant in Cebu City, which was owned by the Clavano family. The Visayan Press, owned by Isabelo Binamira (later a Congressman from Cebu), was contracted to print the notes. When the designs were complete and printing ready to commence, Jumalon was assigned to direct color mixing and to examine the printed sheets for deficiencies. Together with the printing firms employees, he also was to witness the burning of condemned notes. These condemned notes were not serially numbered, since numbers were printed only on sheets deemed acceptable.

The notes were printed on Hammermill Ledger Bond paper supplied by the Photo Materials Company and the Menzi Paper Company. The Photo Materials Company also cut and separated the notes. To speed production, the notes were printed in blocks of 10 cuts per denomination. In mid February 1942, this paper supply was exhausted and the printing stopped.

The next batch of paper was supplied by Bais Sugar Central of Negros Occidental. It was manufactured from sugar cane bagaso ("waste") mixed with paper pulp. White Bais paper watermarked with parallel lines was used for the larger denominations, while the smaller denominations were printed on coarse, yellow paper.

The Cebu Emergency Currency Board (CECB) was created on 1 March 1942, with Acting Provincial Auditor Roman T. del Bando as chairman; Acting Provincial Treasurer Pedro Elizalde and Cebu City Treasurer Rosalio D. Macrohon were committee members. By CECB authority, Jumalon designed treasury emergency currency certificates. Although only 5-, 10- and 20-peso notes are now known, according to Jumalon's diary he also created 5-, 10-, 20- and 50-centavo and 1- and 2-peso notes. This agrees with a comment in Neil Shafer‚s Philippine Emergency and Guerrilla Currency of World War II that "there was a Œcomplete series‚ for the 1942 issue" and with Albert Pick‚s Standard Catalog of World Paper Money, which states that "[c]entavo notes were planned but never got past the design stage .
. . [and] . . . no 2 Pesos notes had been completely printed."

Because of time constraints, the smaller denominations of 1941 Iloilo emergency circulating notes and 1942 Mindanao treasury emergency currency certificates bear certain resemblances to Cebu's 1941 and 1942 emissions, respectively. During the printing of Cebu's emergency circulating notes of 1941, a delegation from Iloilo led by Captain Cook requested designs and plates for small-denomination emergency currency. Since Jumalon was too busy at the time to work on new notes specifically for Iloilo, a compromise was reached. The names of the signatories, places, dates, etc., were superimposed on the Cebu designs. Mindanao's 1942 treasury emergency currency certificates were made in a similar manner; the plates were completed by Ramirez.

Although this agrees with Shafer's statement that "various notes of the first and second Cebu emissions served as models for some of the [other provincial] emergency notes," it does not confirm his statements that it was an "attempt at standardization" and that a "serious attempt at standardization of designs with those of Cebu is evident." According to Jumalon, there was no known intention of preparing a similar design for the neighboring areas, and, as the notes' designer, he would have known
of the slightest hint of such intent.

It was also during the printing of either the 1941 or 1942 Cebu notes that the press ran out of ink. Professor Balce of the University of the Philippines Chemistry Department was called in to produce a substitute ink. Balce's attempt being unsuccessful, Jumalon recommended painters‚ refined tinting colors. However, since all the hardware stores had closed up shop, Captain Cook‚s assistance was requested. With the help of soldiers wielding axes, two hardware stores were opened and tinting
colors, retarders and fast driers obtained. With these supplies, Professor Balce was able to produce ink of the correct consistency.

After the completion of the designs for the CECB, which were printed by either the Visayan Press or the Barba Press, a delegation arrived from Negros Occidental with a request for note designs and plates. Not being as rushed this time, Jumalon was able to create original designs, and, once again, Ramirez produced the plates. Jumalon remembers that he designed a complete set of nine notes, with denominations from 5 centavos to 20 pesos. However, as with Cebu‚s 2-peso emergency circulating note of 1941, no 20-peso note for this issue is listed in numismatic references.

Some time later, another Negros delegation asked for more artistic, more imposing and superior designs for nine denominations. Jumalon collaborated with Oscar Figuracion, a commercial artist and oil painter, to accomplish the task. At the time, both artists performed their work at the Imperial Engraving Plant. Jumalon began by designing a 10-peso note featuring a Mount Mayon volcano landscape, while Figuracion created a 20 pesos showing President Quezon wearing boots and planting rice. By the second night, 9 April 1942, the designs were ready and engraving had started, but the announcement of Bataan's surrender put a stop to everything.

All parties involved in the production of emergency currency were instructed to proceed to the grounds of the capitol to witness, together with the military, the burning of approximately 3 million pesos that had been scheduled for distribution the following day. Because of strafing by enemy planes, Jumalon was unable to reach the capitol grounds. After Cebu was liberated by the Americans, a representative of one of the notes‚ signatories informed Jumalon that several people looted the burning pile of currency, salvaging unburned bundles of 10- and 20-peso notes.

Later, in 1943, Jumalon was ordered to appear at a secret guerrilla hideout on the outskirts of Carcar, a town in Cebu. Told of a plan to print guerrilla money to augment the notes in circulation, he insisted that authorization first be obtained from the exiled government. Accordingly, Jumalon was told to await further instructions, but he was never contacted again.

In 1944 Jumalon‚s family was evacuated to Ormoc in Leyte,where he joined Brigadier General Blas Miranda‚s Western Leyte Guerrillas as intelligence officer with the rank of second lieutenant. He was later captured by the Japanese military police, but managed to escape soon afterward.

Following the war, Jumalon learned that emergency currency notes bearing his design were secretly printed at a mountain hideout in a Cebuan town. No details as to design, press, denominations, paper or quantity are known. Jumalon also has seen a counterfeit of the 1941 Cebu 20-peso emergency circulating note, produced as a pen-and-ink drawing and colored to match. Also, he is aware of a counterfeit 50-centavo note of the same issue, created with a finely carved rubber stamp on manila paper treated with a "Joebrush" dye to simulate the Bais yellow-colored paper.

Although Jumalon was able to keep his preliminary currency sketches for many years after the war, they were attacked by termites and eventually discarded. He never received full payment for his services at the printer‚s or for the Cebu and Negros Occidental designs (they were considered pre-war, or Commonwealth, obligations).

He was not bitter about this, however, and stated "It was a worthy adventure --- an honor to serve [my country], while all [the other] printers were safe in the mountains with their families." After the war, he held positions at the University of San Carlos and the University of the Philippines/Cebu. Later, he operated a butterfly sanctuary and an art gallery of mosaics made from butterfly and moth wings in Basak, Cebu City. Sadly, Prof. Jumalon passed away on 26 June 2000.

Addendum:

During my meetings with Prof. Jumalon, he graciously autographed for me a number of the notes he designed; these are now a treasured part of my collection. But the best was still yet to come. When I saw Prof. Jumalon for the last time, he showed me two incompletely printed copies of the 1-peso CEBU 1941 Philippine National Bank Emergency Circulating Note which he had salvaged from the condemned sheets. One had both the front & back printed but without serial numbers since they were applied last; the other only had the front printed with the back still blank. He said that he planned to donate one of the notes to the Cebu City Museum but that he would first like me to pick the one I wanted. I picked the second note and this note, I am pleased to say, is now also a very treasured part of my collection.

Sources

del Bando, R.T. Letter to Julian Jumalon, February 5, 1946.

Jumalon, Julian N. Personal conversations, June 1991 through May 1992.

Miranda, Simeon. Letter "To Whom It May Concern," September 11, 1946.

Pick, Albert. Standard Catalog of World Paper Money. Vol. I, 6th ed.
lola, WI:
Krause Publications, 1990, p. 800.

Shafer, Neil. Philippine Emergency and Guerrilla Currency of World War
II. Racine, WI: Western Publishing Company, 1974, pp. 73, 76, 98.

World War II Emergency Currency Notes
Designed by Julian Jumalon

CEBU
1941 Philippine National Bank Emergency Circulating Notes
5 centavos
10 centavos
20 centavos
50 centavos
1 peso
2 pesos (unlisted)
5 pesos
10 pesos
20 pesos

1942 Treasury Emergency Currency Certificates
5 centavos (unlisted)
10 centavos (unlisted)
20 centavos (unlisted)
50 centavos (unlisted)
1 peso (unlisted)
2 pesos (unlisted)
5 pesos
10 pesos
20 pesos

ILOILO
1941 Philippine National Bank Emergency Circulating Notes
5 centavos
10 centavos
20 centavos
50 centavos

MINDANAO
1942 Treasury Emergency Currency Certificates
2 pesos
5 pesos
10 pesos
20 pesos

NEGROS OCCIDENTAL
1942 Emergency Circulating Notes
5 centavos
10 centavos
20 centavos
50 centavos
1 peso
2 pesos
5 pesos
10 pesos
20 pesos (unlisted)

archaeologue
April 16th, 2009, 02:11 PM
I remember reading from Col. Segura's book Tabunan that a truck was parked underneath the Capitol laden with banknotes and coins while some which could not be accommodated inside were burned somewhere where the Palace of Justice now stands. I forgot who the governor was when tunnels were found at the Capitol which they had to close in fear that it was boobytrapped with bombs.

I think the governor was Eddie Gullas.

I remember Engr. Adolfo Quiroga telling me last year where the condemned entrances to the tunnels are located: one near the flagpole that you see today, and another at the women's comfort room on the ground flor. Now 67 years old and the oldest department head at the capitol today (he heads PPDO), Engr. Quiroga remembers that the tunnels were closed because it is alleged that the bombs placed there as booby traps when triggered would bring the whole building down.

archaeologue
April 16th, 2009, 02:11 PM
I remember reading from Col. Segura's book Tabunan that a truck was parked underneath the Capitol laden with banknotes and coins while some which could not be accommodated inside were burned somewhere where the Palace of Justice now stands. I forgot who the governor was when tunnels were found at the Capitol which they had to close in fear that it was boobytrapped with bombs.

I think the governor was Eddie Gullas.

I remember Engr. Adolfo Quiroga telling me last year where the condemned entrances to the tunnels are located: one near the flagpole that you see today, and another at the women's comfort room on the ground flor. Now 67 years old and the oldest department head at the capitol today (he heads PPDO), Engr. Quiroga remembers that the tunnels were closed because it is alleged that the bombs placed there as booby traps when triggered would bring the whole building down.

flesh_is_weak
April 16th, 2009, 07:11 PM
^^kuyaw diay if ever maglinog ug kusog-kusog sa Cebu kay basin mangbuto tong mga bomba...mabungkag gyud ang palasyo ni doling :ohno:

flesh_is_weak
April 16th, 2009, 07:11 PM
^^kuyaw diay if ever maglinog ug kusog-kusog sa Cebu kay basin mangbuto tong mga bomba...mabungkag gyud ang palasyo ni doling :ohno:

harveharve
April 17th, 2009, 08:17 AM
@Taga Bogo:
So they were not actually burning Commonwealth banknotes but Emergency Circulating notes... and to think... 3M worth of 1940s pesos, makes one wonder how much it would be if we used the Ballantine scale to convert that to early 1950s pesos...

@Sir Jobers & @Flesh is Weak :

Ground penetrating radar... hehehehe I wonder what that would be worth... the Capitol has always been a fascination to me ever since I was little... magdagan dagan man ko sa Capitolyo samtang akong amahan ug apohan g-abogahan sa mga corte hehehe

Ah, so there are two known entrance points. Considering the scale of the building, it wouldn't be hard to imagine that it must have a lower level of some sort or perhaps just a myriad of tunnels underneath the Capitol.

If such tunnels and structures underneath the Capitol are boobytrapped, explosives underneath that building would be highly dangerous as improvised explosive devices deteriorate over time due to environmental factors... there are still some places in Cebu where WW2 bombs are still left undiscovered, just like in Verdun where bombs from WW1 are still being unearthed and detonated decades after the war ended.

Speaking of undetonated ordnance lying around in the City, a contractor friend of mine unearthed several mortar shells near Capitol years ago... hapit siya mabuang when one of his backhoes nudged something metallic just to find out it was a stack of neatly piled mortar and howitzer shells hehehe

harveharve
April 17th, 2009, 08:17 AM
@Taga Bogo:
So they were not actually burning Commonwealth banknotes but Emergency Circulating notes... and to think... 3M worth of 1940s pesos, makes one wonder how much it would be if we used the Ballantine scale to convert that to early 1950s pesos...

@Sir Jobers & @Flesh is Weak :

Ground penetrating radar... hehehehe I wonder what that would be worth... the Capitol has always been a fascination to me ever since I was little... magdagan dagan man ko sa Capitolyo samtang akong amahan ug apohan g-abogahan sa mga corte hehehe

Ah, so there are two known entrance points. Considering the scale of the building, it wouldn't be hard to imagine that it must have a lower level of some sort or perhaps just a myriad of tunnels underneath the Capitol.

If such tunnels and structures underneath the Capitol are boobytrapped, explosives underneath that building would be highly dangerous as improvised explosive devices deteriorate over time due to environmental factors... there are still some places in Cebu where WW2 bombs are still left undiscovered, just like in Verdun where bombs from WW1 are still being unearthed and detonated decades after the war ended.

Speaking of undetonated ordnance lying around in the City, a contractor friend of mine unearthed several mortar shells near Capitol years ago... hapit siya mabuang when one of his backhoes nudged something metallic just to find out it was a stack of neatly piled mortar and howitzer shells hehehe

Ang_Bantayanon
April 17th, 2009, 12:17 PM
Guys, I've just bought a copy of The Philippines through European Lenses at Fullybooked Ayala. There's one copy left if anyone is interested.

Ang_Bantayanon
April 17th, 2009, 12:17 PM
Guys, I've just bought a copy of The Philippines through European Lenses at Fullybooked Ayala. There's one copy left if anyone is interested.

harveharve
April 17th, 2009, 02:02 PM
Guys, I've just bought a copy of The Philippines through European Lenses at Fullybooked Ayala. There's one copy left if anyone is interested.

:banana:

How much?! I hope it won't break my somewhat distressed bank account hehe

harveharve
April 17th, 2009, 02:02 PM
Guys, I've just bought a copy of The Philippines through European Lenses at Fullybooked Ayala. There's one copy left if anyone is interested.

:banana:

How much?! I hope it won't break my somewhat distressed bank account hehe

archaeologue
April 17th, 2009, 02:14 PM
@Taga Bogo:
So they were not actually burning Commonwealth banknotes but Emergency Circulating notes... and to think... 3M worth of 1940s pesos, makes one wonder how much it would be if we used the Ballantine scale to convert that to early 1950s pesos...






I actually saw the burning of emergency notes about 15 years ago outside the capitol. I was in a hurry to go somewhere but i managed to pick a few that were flying all over the street due to the winds.





@Sir Jobers & @Flesh is Weak :

Ground penetrating radar... hehehehe I wonder what that would be worth... the Capitol has always been a fascination to me ever since I was little... magdagan dagan man ko sa Capitolyo samtang akong amahan ug apohan g-abogahan sa mga corte hehehe





There is a GEM 5 GPR that SanValente and I looked at while he visited me in Boljoon---well, we looked at it on line ha. I think it costs about $18,000.

A GPR will be most helpful for our excavations in Boljoon so that we do not waste much energy and money on sterile excavation units. Imagine, we spent a whole week last time on five empty 2-meter units!

archaeologue
April 17th, 2009, 02:14 PM
@Taga Bogo:
So they were not actually burning Commonwealth banknotes but Emergency Circulating notes... and to think... 3M worth of 1940s pesos, makes one wonder how much it would be if we used the Ballantine scale to convert that to early 1950s pesos...






I actually saw the burning of emergency notes about 15 years ago outside the capitol. I was in a hurry to go somewhere but i managed to pick a few that were flying all over the street due to the winds.





@Sir Jobers & @Flesh is Weak :

Ground penetrating radar... hehehehe I wonder what that would be worth... the Capitol has always been a fascination to me ever since I was little... magdagan dagan man ko sa Capitolyo samtang akong amahan ug apohan g-abogahan sa mga corte hehehe





There is a GEM 5 GPR that SanValente and I looked at while he visited me in Boljoon---well, we looked at it on line ha. I think it costs about $18,000.

A GPR will be most helpful for our excavations in Boljoon so that we do not waste much energy and money on sterile excavation units. Imagine, we spent a whole week last time on five empty 2-meter units!

archaeologue
April 17th, 2009, 02:14 PM
:banana:

How much?! I hope it won't break my somewhat distressed bank account hehe

Tag P500 ra na.

archaeologue
April 17th, 2009, 02:14 PM
:banana:

How much?! I hope it won't break my somewhat distressed bank account hehe

Tag P500 ra na.

Taga Bogo
April 17th, 2009, 02:59 PM
I actually saw the burning of emergency notes about 15 years ago outside the capitol. I was in a hurry to go somewhere but i managed to pick a few that were flying all over the street due to the winds.



geez, hope there were no municipal guerilla notes that were bunt along with that batch 15 years ago, what a waste if there were. The common cebu ones can still be found on some sellers sa freedom park at low prices.

@Taga Bogo:
So they were not actually burning Commonwealth banknotes but Emergency Circulating notes... and to think... 3M worth of 1940s pesos, makes one wonder how much it would be if we used the Ballantine scale to convert that to early 1950s pesos...


those notes were exchanged at the rate of $1 is to P2 after WWII, this is in accordance to Quezon's proclamation just at the start of WWII. If we do the math P3M is $1.5M. Even today $1.5M is that huge, in the early 40s it was enormously huge. Just to put some perspectives, in Bogo one hectare (10,000 square meter) of a good farmland costs around P600 in the late 50s and early 60s.

Taga Bogo
April 17th, 2009, 02:59 PM
I actually saw the burning of emergency notes about 15 years ago outside the capitol. I was in a hurry to go somewhere but i managed to pick a few that were flying all over the street due to the winds.



geez, hope there were no municipal guerilla notes that were bunt along with that batch 15 years ago, what a waste if there were. The common cebu ones can still be found on some sellers sa freedom park at low prices.

@Taga Bogo:
So they were not actually burning Commonwealth banknotes but Emergency Circulating notes... and to think... 3M worth of 1940s pesos, makes one wonder how much it would be if we used the Ballantine scale to convert that to early 1950s pesos...


those notes were exchanged at the rate of $1 is to P2 after WWII, this is in accordance to Quezon's proclamation just at the start of WWII. If we do the math P3M is $1.5M. Even today $1.5M is that huge, in the early 40s it was enormously huge. Just to put some perspectives, in Bogo one hectare (10,000 square meter) of a good farmland costs around P600 in the late 50s and early 60s.

harveharve
April 17th, 2009, 03:58 PM
@Taga Bogo:
perhaps some of those notes were redeemed right after the war, I think it was sort of a cash bond payable upon demand in legal currency.

@Sir Jobers:
I wonder why they were burning them.. sayang... for the collectors..:ohno:

$18,000! for GPR! By golly! that is expensive! maybe somebody out there can loan a spare one for your team... hehe we never know... or an SVD priest might donate one or a handsome grant in order to acquire one... that would probably pay for itself too by cutting the cost (in time, effort and money) so that finding a site with disturbed substrata with some interesting hits wouldn't be like playing dice anymore. I-drag nalang over the grid and watch the read-out.

I'm going to try to score that book in Ayala tomorrow... I seem to be having a bad case of bad luck these days :ohno:

On a different matter, I'm not sure if anybody has noticed, but this Ebay postcard has something interesting to offer. It's not readily apparent... ni-gamay akong mata ug samot ug squint trying to figure out what that zoomed pixelated image was...

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/jesuithouseandtower.jpg

In this Ebay postcard... you can barely see the Jesuit House with its distinct roof ornamentation thinggie... but that's not the best part... the best part is, the Jesuit Tower is clearly intact when this photo was taken! I have no other conclusion that that structure beside/infront of the Jesuit house is in fact the Jesuit tower.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/JHrender17.jpg
my rendering of how it might have looked based on Sir Jobers photo of the tower base and azotea which he posted sometime ago with a little artistic license on my part to fill in the gaps hehehe.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/JHrender14.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/Jesuithousetowerazotea.jpg

harveharve
April 17th, 2009, 03:58 PM
@Taga Bogo:
perhaps some of those notes were redeemed right after the war, I think it was sort of a cash bond payable upon demand in legal currency.

@Sir Jobers:
I wonder why they were burning them.. sayang... for the collectors..:ohno:

$18,000! for GPR! By golly! that is expensive! maybe somebody out there can loan a spare one for your team... hehe we never know... or an SVD priest might donate one or a handsome grant in order to acquire one... that would probably pay for itself too by cutting the cost (in time, effort and money) so that finding a site with disturbed substrata with some interesting hits wouldn't be like playing dice anymore. I-drag nalang over the grid and watch the read-out.

I'm going to try to score that book in Ayala tomorrow... I seem to be having a bad case of bad luck these days :ohno:

On a different matter, I'm not sure if anybody has noticed, but this Ebay postcard has something interesting to offer. It's not readily apparent... ni-gamay akong mata ug samot ug squint trying to figure out what that zoomed pixelated image was...

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/jesuithouseandtower.jpg

In this Ebay postcard... you can barely see the Jesuit House with its distinct roof ornamentation thinggie... but that's not the best part... the best part is, the Jesuit Tower is clearly intact when this photo was taken! I have no other conclusion that that structure beside/infront of the Jesuit house is in fact the Jesuit tower.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/JHrender17.jpg
my rendering of how it might have looked based on Sir Jobers photo of the tower base and azotea which he posted sometime ago with a little artistic license on my part to fill in the gaps hehehe.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/JHrender14.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/Jesuithousetowerazotea.jpg

Taga Bogo
April 17th, 2009, 04:53 PM
@Taga Bogo:
perhaps some of those notes were redeemed right after the war, I think it was sort of a cash bond payable upon demand in legal currency.



those in circulation were redeemed after the war. During the war there were 3 currencies circulating. The "good money" (pre WWII silver coins and notes - Philippine Islands, Bank of the Philippine Islands and Phil. National Bank) , the Japanese, and the emergency circulating/guerilla notes. Prices of goods varies depending on which currency is used. All are to be accepted. The japanese will boyonet you if you will not accept their notes. The guerillas will knock on your door if theirs are not accepted.

"I think it was sort of a cash bond payable upon demand in legal currency." yes and no, during the war it was used as a medium of exchange. Most of the provinces that printed these notes acted under the authodity of Pres. Quezon. A part of Leyte printed under authority given by Gen. McArthur. They were sort of cash bond as these notes carry such words as redeemable after ceasure of hostilities.

Taga Bogo
April 17th, 2009, 04:53 PM
@Taga Bogo:
perhaps some of those notes were redeemed right after the war, I think it was sort of a cash bond payable upon demand in legal currency.



those in circulation were redeemed after the war. During the war there were 3 currencies circulating. The "good money" (pre WWII silver coins and notes - Philippine Islands, Bank of the Philippine Islands and Phil. National Bank) , the Japanese, and the emergency circulating/guerilla notes. Prices of goods varies depending on which currency is used. All are to be accepted. The japanese will boyonet you if you will not accept their notes. The guerillas will knock on your door if theirs are not accepted.

"I think it was sort of a cash bond payable upon demand in legal currency." yes and no, during the war it was used as a medium of exchange. Most of the provinces that printed these notes acted under the authodity of Pres. Quezon. A part of Leyte printed under authority given by Gen. McArthur. They were sort of cash bond as these notes carry such words as redeemable after ceasure of hostilities.

AmbutLang
April 18th, 2009, 08:22 AM
those in circulation were redeemed after the war. During the war there were 3 currencies circulating. The "good money" (pre WWII silver coins and notes - Philippine Islands, Bank of the Philippine Islands and Phil. National Bank) , the Japanese, and the emergency circulating/guerilla notes. Prices of goods varies depending on which currency is used. All are to be accepted. The japanese will boyonet you if you will not accept their notes. The guerillas will knock on your door if theirs are not accepted.

"I think it was sort of a cash bond payable upon demand in legal currency." yes and no, during the war it was used as a medium of exchange. Most of the provinces that printed these notes acted under the authodity of Pres. Quezon. A part of Leyte printed under authority given by Gen. McArthur. They were sort of cash bond as these notes carry such words as redeemable after ceasure of hostilities.

Mao man nadatuan sa osa ka tawo kay naka hipos sa sinako nga kwarta nga gibiyaan sa nanagan mga hapon. :ohno:

AmbutLang
April 18th, 2009, 08:22 AM
those in circulation were redeemed after the war. During the war there were 3 currencies circulating. The "good money" (pre WWII silver coins and notes - Philippine Islands, Bank of the Philippine Islands and Phil. National Bank) , the Japanese, and the emergency circulating/guerilla notes. Prices of goods varies depending on which currency is used. All are to be accepted. The japanese will boyonet you if you will not accept their notes. The guerillas will knock on your door if theirs are not accepted.

"I think it was sort of a cash bond payable upon demand in legal currency." yes and no, during the war it was used as a medium of exchange. Most of the provinces that printed these notes acted under the authodity of Pres. Quezon. A part of Leyte printed under authority given by Gen. McArthur. They were sort of cash bond as these notes carry such words as redeemable after ceasure of hostilities.

Mao man nadatuan sa osa ka tawo kay naka hipos sa sinako nga kwarta nga gibiyaan sa nanagan mga hapon. :ohno:

habagatcentral1
April 18th, 2009, 10:18 AM
http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=390be7a63fac905a_large
Capitolio Provincial de Cebu from Fuente Osmeña, Cebu City

Source: Life Magazine Archives (http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=iloilo+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Diloilo%2Bsource:life%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1B3GGGL_enUS264%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&imgurl=390be7a63fac905a)


Uy, first post nako, hahaha!!! Musta mo tanan? :wave:

habagatcentral1
April 18th, 2009, 10:18 AM
http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=390be7a63fac905a_large
Capitolio Provincial de Cebu from Fuente Osmeña, Cebu City

Source: Life Magazine Archives (http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=iloilo+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Diloilo%2Bsource:life%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1B3GGGL_enUS264%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&imgurl=390be7a63fac905a)


Uy, first post nako, hahaha!!! Musta mo tanan? :wave:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter
April 18th, 2009, 11:25 AM
^^

wow is that fuente O at foreground? :cool:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter
April 18th, 2009, 11:25 AM
^^

wow is that fuente O at foreground? :cool:

habagatcentral1
April 18th, 2009, 11:27 AM
^^ Most probably yes...:)
Capitol Site back then looks like a Garden City, pretty similar to that of Champs Elysee...the "City Beautiful" movement which was one of the legacy of Daniel Burnham and his predecessors (like Parsons who planned Cebu City) in the Philippines.

habagatcentral1
April 18th, 2009, 11:27 AM
^^ Most probably yes...:)
Capitol Site back then looks like a Garden City, pretty similar to that of Champs Elysee...the "City Beautiful" movement which was one of the legacy of Daniel Burnham and his predecessors (like Parsons who planned Cebu City) in the Philippines.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter
April 18th, 2009, 11:34 AM
^^

right! looks like the capitol is a palace, versailles maybe?! dream on! :lol::lol::laugh::D

mAiNsTrEaMhunter
April 18th, 2009, 11:34 AM
^^

right! looks like the capitol is a palace, versailles maybe?! dream on! :lol::lol::laugh::D

habagatcentral1
April 18th, 2009, 11:52 AM
^^ Palasyo ni Gwen sitting in the middle of the enemy territory...:lol:

But I think that was really the trend towards the early 20th Century Philippine urban planning, wide avenues, big classical edifices like that of Europe and Washington DC, an escape from the narrow and medieval planning of the Spanish Colonial Era.

habagatcentral1
April 18th, 2009, 11:52 AM
^^ Palasyo ni Gwen sitting in the middle of the enemy territory...:lol:

But I think that was really the trend towards the early 20th Century Philippine urban planning, wide avenues, big classical edifices like that of Europe and Washington DC, an escape from the narrow and medieval planning of the Spanish Colonial Era.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter
April 18th, 2009, 11:59 AM
^^

wow! nice analogy there! The Gwendolyn Palace on Thomas City! :lol::lol::laugh:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter
April 18th, 2009, 11:59 AM
^^

wow! nice analogy there! The Gwendolyn Palace on Thomas City! :lol::lol::laugh:

Taga Bogo
April 18th, 2009, 06:10 PM
Mao man nadatuan sa osa ka tawo kay naka hipos sa sinako nga kwarta nga gibiyaan sa nanagan mga hapon. :ohno:

mao ba? bag-o sad ni da, taga ato ni?. PM bi kung si kinsa man na :)

Taga Bogo
April 18th, 2009, 06:10 PM
Mao man nadatuan sa osa ka tawo kay naka hipos sa sinako nga kwarta nga gibiyaan sa nanagan mga hapon. :ohno:

mao ba? bag-o sad ni da, taga ato ni?. PM bi kung si kinsa man na :)

Taga Bogo
April 18th, 2009, 07:20 PM
Sudlon, Cebu - American skirmish line, circa late 1800s - early 1900s
(grassland without Beverly Hills and Taoist temple)

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Postcard/Sudlonskirmishline1.jpg

Taga Bogo
April 18th, 2009, 07:20 PM
Sudlon, Cebu - American skirmish line, circa late 1800s - early 1900s
(grassland without Beverly Hills and Taoist temple)

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Postcard/Sudlonskirmishline1.jpg

gee
April 18th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Sudlon, Cebu - American skirmish line, circa late 1800s - early 1900s
(grassland without Beverly Hills and Taoist temple)

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Postcard/Sudlonskirmishline1.jpg

http://www.eddieshotel.com.ph/images/beverlyhills.jpghttp://www.eddieshotel.com.ph/images/eddie.jpg

Eddie Woolbright, an American grandson of a Cherokee Indian, came with the American liberation forces in Leyte in 1944 and decided to stay on after the war.

He first established himself in Tacloban, Leyte in 1945 and for five years owned and managed the first air-conditioned hotel and coffee shop there.

In 1950, Woolbright moved to Cebu where he went into the importation of heavy equipment, water drilling and real estate.

He was more famous for being the owner of Eddie’s Log Cabin, Cebu’s premiere restaurant established in 1950. The Cebu Chamber of Commerce awarded the Log Cabin restaurant last July 2000 at their Grand Century Awards for being the oldest restaurant in the city which is still serving to date.

He was also the pioneer in hillside development in Cebu City. He was the builder/developer of Beverly Hills, the first subdivision for the rich and famous up in the hills that pioneered this trend in the industry.

“When I started Beverly Hills subdivision, everybody thought I was crazy for building a housing project in the middle of nowhere with no lights and water,” Eddie recalled.

The 21 years that Woolbright spent in America as a young man pales in comparison to the 55 he spent in Cebu and asked why, he says he has more friends here than anywhere else.

In 1994, the Cebu City Council approved a resolution making Edgar “Eddie” Woolbright an adopted son of Cebu as part of its Charter Week celebrations.

Eddie’s health started to decline in October 1994 as he battled with lung cancer. His illness however did not stop him from building what would be his last project Eddie’s Hotel. The 52-room hotel opened in August 1995 and offers first class amenities, personalized service at an affordable price.

Eddie passed away on August 6, 1996 at the age of 76. Although he is gone, he has left an imprint in Cebu society as being an instrumental player in the early development of the city and his memory will remain in the hearts of the Cebuano Community forever.

http://www.eddieshotel.com.ph/main3.htm

gee
April 18th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Sudlon, Cebu - American skirmish line, circa late 1800s - early 1900s
(grassland without Beverly Hills and Taoist temple)

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Postcard/Sudlonskirmishline1.jpg

http://www.eddieshotel.com.ph/images/beverlyhills.jpghttp://www.eddieshotel.com.ph/images/eddie.jpg

Eddie Woolbright, an American grandson of a Cherokee Indian, came with the American liberation forces in Leyte in 1944 and decided to stay on after the war.

He first established himself in Tacloban, Leyte in 1945 and for five years owned and managed the first air-conditioned hotel and coffee shop there.

In 1950, Woolbright moved to Cebu where he went into the importation of heavy equipment, water drilling and real estate.

He was more famous for being the owner of Eddie’s Log Cabin, Cebu’s premiere restaurant established in 1950. The Cebu Chamber of Commerce awarded the Log Cabin restaurant last July 2000 at their Grand Century Awards for being the oldest restaurant in the city which is still serving to date.

He was also the pioneer in hillside development in Cebu City. He was the builder/developer of Beverly Hills, the first subdivision for the rich and famous up in the hills that pioneered this trend in the industry.

“When I started Beverly Hills subdivision, everybody thought I was crazy for building a housing project in the middle of nowhere with no lights and water,” Eddie recalled.

The 21 years that Woolbright spent in America as a young man pales in comparison to the 55 he spent in Cebu and asked why, he says he has more friends here than anywhere else.

In 1994, the Cebu City Council approved a resolution making Edgar “Eddie” Woolbright an adopted son of Cebu as part of its Charter Week celebrations.

Eddie’s health started to decline in October 1994 as he battled with lung cancer. His illness however did not stop him from building what would be his last project Eddie’s Hotel. The 52-room hotel opened in August 1995 and offers first class amenities, personalized service at an affordable price.

Eddie passed away on August 6, 1996 at the age of 76. Although he is gone, he has left an imprint in Cebu society as being an instrumental player in the early development of the city and his memory will remain in the hearts of the Cebuano Community forever.

http://www.eddieshotel.com.ph/main3.htm

gee
April 18th, 2009, 08:30 PM
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7083/cebudelagates.jpg

gee
April 18th, 2009, 08:30 PM
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7083/cebudelagates.jpg

LordCarnal
April 18th, 2009, 11:56 PM
Tag P500 ra na.

Guys, I've just bought a copy of The Philippines through European Lenses at Fullybooked Ayala. There's one copy left if anyone is interested.


I saw another one in Powerbooks in SM Northwing. Tag P450 nalang, heh

LordCarnal
April 18th, 2009, 11:56 PM
Tag P500 ra na.

Guys, I've just bought a copy of The Philippines through European Lenses at Fullybooked Ayala. There's one copy left if anyone is interested.


I saw another one in Powerbooks in SM Northwing. Tag P450 nalang, heh

Taga Bogo
April 19th, 2009, 11:53 AM
http://www.eddieshotel.com.ph/images/beverlyhills.jpghttp://www.eddieshotel.com.ph/images/eddie.jpg



This picture has been with me for some time na. I had strained my eyes in a number of times in different times, trying to figure out what and where these Americans were shooting at. The thing is, unfortunately, the picture is that faded already. I think it is a picture taken during actual firefight than a military exercise.

Can still not bear to think that one of today's high end residential area was a battleground 100 years ago. How things change.

Taga Bogo
April 19th, 2009, 11:53 AM
http://www.eddieshotel.com.ph/images/beverlyhills.jpghttp://www.eddieshotel.com.ph/images/eddie.jpg



This picture has been with me for some time na. I had strained my eyes in a number of times in different times, trying to figure out what and where these Americans were shooting at. The thing is, unfortunately, the picture is that faded already. I think it is a picture taken during actual firefight than a military exercise.

Can still not bear to think that one of today's high end residential area was a battleground 100 years ago. How things change.

gee
April 19th, 2009, 12:02 PM
This picture has been with me for some time na. I had strained my eyes in a number of times in different times, trying to figure out what and where these Americans were shooting at. The thing is, unfortunately, the picture is that faded already. I think it is a picture taken during actual firefight than a military exercise.

Can still not bear to think that one of today's high end residential area was a battleground 100 years ago. How things change.

After the defeat at Sudlon (1/8/1900), General Climaco devised the plan to change the strategy to guerrilla units, which were described as follows: "Pinaagi niadtong guerra en guerrilla natudlong mga tinugyanan sa Habagatan ang mga Heneral Arcadio Maxilom ug Saturnino Echavez; sa Amihanan maoy nangako ang mga Heneral Verderflor ug Melquiades Lasala; sa tunga-tunga kun `Centro' silang mga Heneral Pantaleon E. del Rosario, Marcial Velez, Apolinario Cabibil, Justo Kabahar, Enrique Lorega, ug si Luga. Samtang sa Kuwartil Heneral sa Sudlon didto si Juan Climaco nagdala sa kapangulohan, nagbantay sa tanang lihok (operaciones) sa gubat, nagpadala adlawng tanan ug mga orden sa mga Heneral sa mga salipdanan, linuy-an sa iyang `Estado Mayor' diin nahisakop si Kapitan Andres Jayme (karon manlalaban sa Dabaw), Gervasio Ledesma Gabino Sepulveda, Tomas Alonso, ug Eduardo A. de Roda. Si Arsenio Climaco nahisakop usab sa pundok sa `Centro' ug nagpakita sa tanang higayon kalo gilupad kay naigo sa bala sa kaaway."/ ("Kinsay Unang Gobernador sa Sugbu nga Pinili sa Lungsod? Si Juan Climaco, Bayani sa Kagubut ug Kalinaw" Bag-ong Kusog, 7/31/1931: 4)

"Sa pagkabungkag sa Sudlon sa Disyembri sa 1899 [1/9/1900], naungkad ang pagpuyo sa kasundalohan, gihikay ni Heneral Juan Climaco ang pagbalay pagusab sa kasundalohang Sugbuanon ug mao kadto nga gimugna niya ang guerra de guerrillas (gubat pinaagi sa mga gagmayng panon sa mga sundalo). Pinaagi sa usa ka bando (sugo sa usa ka punoan sa kasundalohan) si Heneral Maxilom ug si Heneral Juan Climaco nagsugo nga ang kasundalohang manggugubut bahinon sa tutulo: Columna del Norte, minandoan pagunay ni Heneral Maxilom, ug ni Heneral Juan Climaco, sa pagka Hepe sa Estado Mayor; Columna del Centro, minandoan ni Comandante del Rosario (Pantaleon, bisan Pedro ang giila sa mga sundalo kaniya) ug si Kapitan Marcial Velez, maoy iyang Hepe sa Estado Mayor; ug Columna del Sur, minandoan ni Heneral Nicolas Godinez, inabagan sa iyang Hepe sa Estado Mayor, Koronel Jose A. Veloso, kanhi bokal sa Hunta Porbinsiyal. Ang tagsatagsa niining tulo ka kolumna may sakop nga mga guerrilla nga wala magsama ang gidaghanon."/ (Francisco E. Rodriguez, "Laing Asoy Bahin Kang Juan Climaco: Si Magsusulat `FER,' usa sa mga Opisyal sa Atong Kagubut Kanhi, Nagtug-an sa Pipila ka Kaagi" by FER, Bag-ong Kusog, 8/14/1931: 8)

gee
April 19th, 2009, 12:02 PM
This picture has been with me for some time na. I had strained my eyes in a number of times in different times, trying to figure out what and where these Americans were shooting at. The thing is, unfortunately, the picture is that faded already. I think it is a picture taken during actual firefight than a military exercise.

Can still not bear to think that one of today's high end residential area was a battleground 100 years ago. How things change.

After the defeat at Sudlon (1/8/1900), General Climaco devised the plan to change the strategy to guerrilla units, which were described as follows: "Pinaagi niadtong guerra en guerrilla natudlong mga tinugyanan sa Habagatan ang mga Heneral Arcadio Maxilom ug Saturnino Echavez; sa Amihanan maoy nangako ang mga Heneral Verderflor ug Melquiades Lasala; sa tunga-tunga kun `Centro' silang mga Heneral Pantaleon E. del Rosario, Marcial Velez, Apolinario Cabibil, Justo Kabahar, Enrique Lorega, ug si Luga. Samtang sa Kuwartil Heneral sa Sudlon didto si Juan Climaco nagdala sa kapangulohan, nagbantay sa tanang lihok (operaciones) sa gubat, nagpadala adlawng tanan ug mga orden sa mga Heneral sa mga salipdanan, linuy-an sa iyang `Estado Mayor' diin nahisakop si Kapitan Andres Jayme (karon manlalaban sa Dabaw), Gervasio Ledesma Gabino Sepulveda, Tomas Alonso, ug Eduardo A. de Roda. Si Arsenio Climaco nahisakop usab sa pundok sa `Centro' ug nagpakita sa tanang higayon kalo gilupad kay naigo sa bala sa kaaway."/ ("Kinsay Unang Gobernador sa Sugbu nga Pinili sa Lungsod? Si Juan Climaco, Bayani sa Kagubut ug Kalinaw" Bag-ong Kusog, 7/31/1931: 4)

"Sa pagkabungkag sa Sudlon sa Disyembri sa 1899 [1/9/1900], naungkad ang pagpuyo sa kasundalohan, gihikay ni Heneral Juan Climaco ang pagbalay pagusab sa kasundalohang Sugbuanon ug mao kadto nga gimugna niya ang guerra de guerrillas (gubat pinaagi sa mga gagmayng panon sa mga sundalo). Pinaagi sa usa ka bando (sugo sa usa ka punoan sa kasundalohan) si Heneral Maxilom ug si Heneral Juan Climaco nagsugo nga ang kasundalohang manggugubut bahinon sa tutulo: Columna del Norte, minandoan pagunay ni Heneral Maxilom, ug ni Heneral Juan Climaco, sa pagka Hepe sa Estado Mayor; Columna del Centro, minandoan ni Comandante del Rosario (Pantaleon, bisan Pedro ang giila sa mga sundalo kaniya) ug si Kapitan Marcial Velez, maoy iyang Hepe sa Estado Mayor; ug Columna del Sur, minandoan ni Heneral Nicolas Godinez, inabagan sa iyang Hepe sa Estado Mayor, Koronel Jose A. Veloso, kanhi bokal sa Hunta Porbinsiyal. Ang tagsatagsa niining tulo ka kolumna may sakop nga mga guerrilla nga wala magsama ang gidaghanon."/ (Francisco E. Rodriguez, "Laing Asoy Bahin Kang Juan Climaco: Si Magsusulat `FER,' usa sa mga Opisyal sa Atong Kagubut Kanhi, Nagtug-an sa Pipila ka Kaagi" by FER, Bag-ong Kusog, 8/14/1931: 8)

Wolfranz
April 19th, 2009, 01:56 PM
http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=390be7a63fac905a_large
Capitolio Provincial de Cebu from Fuente Osmeña, Cebu City

mura'g ug kani:

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t20/wolfranz/380551438_c762f86cc9.jpg
Chateau de Versailles, France

:):):nuts:

Wolfranz
April 19th, 2009, 01:56 PM
http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=390be7a63fac905a_large
Capitolio Provincial de Cebu from Fuente Osmeña, Cebu City

mura'g ug kani:

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t20/wolfranz/380551438_c762f86cc9.jpg
Chateau de Versailles, France

:):):nuts:

AmbutLang
April 19th, 2009, 02:08 PM
mao ba? bag-o sad ni da, taga ato ni?. PM bi kung si kinsa man na :)

Yep! :ohno:

AmbutLang
April 19th, 2009, 02:08 PM
mao ba? bag-o sad ni da, taga ato ni?. PM bi kung si kinsa man na :)

Yep! :ohno:

Taga Bogo
April 19th, 2009, 07:18 PM
Yep! :ohno:

sent a PM response

Taga Bogo
April 19th, 2009, 07:18 PM
Yep! :ohno:

sent a PM response

Taga Bogo
April 19th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Padz, salamat kaayo, now I have a literature that goes along with the picture, some day when I can find a place to display... To use the words of ang karaang tawo "I can dream, can't I?"

After the defeat at Sudlon (1/8/1900), General Climaco devised the plan to change the strategy to guerrilla units, which were described as follows: "Pinaagi niadtong guerra en guerrilla natudlong mga tinugyanan sa Habagatan ang mga Heneral Arcadio Maxilom ug Saturnino Echavez; sa Amihanan maoy nangako ang mga Heneral Verderflor ug Melquiades Lasala; sa tunga-tunga kun `Centro' silang mga Heneral Pantaleon E. del Rosario, Marcial Velez, Apolinario Cabibil, Justo Kabahar, Enrique Lorega, ug si Luga. Samtang sa Kuwartil Heneral sa Sudlon didto si Juan Climaco nagdala sa kapangulohan, nagbantay sa tanang lihok (operaciones) sa gubat, nagpadala adlawng tanan ug mga orden sa mga Heneral sa mga salipdanan, linuy-an sa iyang `Estado Mayor' diin nahisakop si Kapitan Andres Jayme (karon manlalaban sa Dabaw), Gervasio Ledesma Gabino Sepulveda, Tomas Alonso, ug Eduardo A. de Roda. Si Arsenio Climaco nahisakop usab sa pundok sa `Centro' ug nagpakita sa tanang higayon kalo gilupad kay naigo sa bala sa kaaway."/ ("Kinsay Unang Gobernador sa Sugbu nga Pinili sa Lungsod? Si Juan Climaco, Bayani sa Kagubut ug Kalinaw" Bag-ong Kusog, 7/31/1931: 4)

"Sa pagkabungkag sa Sudlon sa Disyembri sa 1899 [1/9/1900], naungkad ang pagpuyo sa kasundalohan, gihikay ni Heneral Juan Climaco ang pagbalay pagusab sa kasundalohang Sugbuanon ug mao kadto nga gimugna niya ang guerra de guerrillas (gubat pinaagi sa mga gagmayng panon sa mga sundalo). Pinaagi sa usa ka bando (sugo sa usa ka punoan sa kasundalohan) si Heneral Maxilom ug si Heneral Juan Climaco nagsugo nga ang kasundalohang manggugubut bahinon sa tutulo: Columna del Norte, minandoan pagunay ni Heneral Maxilom, ug ni Heneral Juan Climaco, sa pagka Hepe sa Estado Mayor; Columna del Centro, minandoan ni Comandante del Rosario (Pantaleon, bisan Pedro ang giila sa mga sundalo kaniya) ug si Kapitan Marcial Velez, maoy iyang Hepe sa Estado Mayor; ug Columna del Sur, minandoan ni Heneral Nicolas Godinez, inabagan sa iyang Hepe sa Estado Mayor, Koronel Jose A. Veloso, kanhi bokal sa Hunta Porbinsiyal. Ang tagsatagsa niining tulo ka kolumna may sakop nga mga guerrilla nga wala magsama ang gidaghanon."/ (Francisco E. Rodriguez, "Laing Asoy Bahin Kang Juan Climaco: Si Magsusulat `FER,' usa sa mga Opisyal sa Atong Kagubut Kanhi, Nagtug-an sa Pipila ka Kaagi" by FER, Bag-ong Kusog, 8/14/1931: 8)

Taga Bogo
April 19th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Padz, salamat kaayo, now I have a literature that goes along with the picture, some day when I can find a place to display... To use the words of ang karaang tawo "I can dream, can't I?"

After the defeat at Sudlon (1/8/1900), General Climaco devised the plan to change the strategy to guerrilla units, which were described as follows: "Pinaagi niadtong guerra en guerrilla natudlong mga tinugyanan sa Habagatan ang mga Heneral Arcadio Maxilom ug Saturnino Echavez; sa Amihanan maoy nangako ang mga Heneral Verderflor ug Melquiades Lasala; sa tunga-tunga kun `Centro' silang mga Heneral Pantaleon E. del Rosario, Marcial Velez, Apolinario Cabibil, Justo Kabahar, Enrique Lorega, ug si Luga. Samtang sa Kuwartil Heneral sa Sudlon didto si Juan Climaco nagdala sa kapangulohan, nagbantay sa tanang lihok (operaciones) sa gubat, nagpadala adlawng tanan ug mga orden sa mga Heneral sa mga salipdanan, linuy-an sa iyang `Estado Mayor' diin nahisakop si Kapitan Andres Jayme (karon manlalaban sa Dabaw), Gervasio Ledesma Gabino Sepulveda, Tomas Alonso, ug Eduardo A. de Roda. Si Arsenio Climaco nahisakop usab sa pundok sa `Centro' ug nagpakita sa tanang higayon kalo gilupad kay naigo sa bala sa kaaway."/ ("Kinsay Unang Gobernador sa Sugbu nga Pinili sa Lungsod? Si Juan Climaco, Bayani sa Kagubut ug Kalinaw" Bag-ong Kusog, 7/31/1931: 4)

"Sa pagkabungkag sa Sudlon sa Disyembri sa 1899 [1/9/1900], naungkad ang pagpuyo sa kasundalohan, gihikay ni Heneral Juan Climaco ang pagbalay pagusab sa kasundalohang Sugbuanon ug mao kadto nga gimugna niya ang guerra de guerrillas (gubat pinaagi sa mga gagmayng panon sa mga sundalo). Pinaagi sa usa ka bando (sugo sa usa ka punoan sa kasundalohan) si Heneral Maxilom ug si Heneral Juan Climaco nagsugo nga ang kasundalohang manggugubut bahinon sa tutulo: Columna del Norte, minandoan pagunay ni Heneral Maxilom, ug ni Heneral Juan Climaco, sa pagka Hepe sa Estado Mayor; Columna del Centro, minandoan ni Comandante del Rosario (Pantaleon, bisan Pedro ang giila sa mga sundalo kaniya) ug si Kapitan Marcial Velez, maoy iyang Hepe sa Estado Mayor; ug Columna del Sur, minandoan ni Heneral Nicolas Godinez, inabagan sa iyang Hepe sa Estado Mayor, Koronel Jose A. Veloso, kanhi bokal sa Hunta Porbinsiyal. Ang tagsatagsa niining tulo ka kolumna may sakop nga mga guerrilla nga wala magsama ang gidaghanon."/ (Francisco E. Rodriguez, "Laing Asoy Bahin Kang Juan Climaco: Si Magsusulat `FER,' usa sa mga Opisyal sa Atong Kagubut Kanhi, Nagtug-an sa Pipila ka Kaagi" by FER, Bag-ong Kusog, 8/14/1931: 8)

harveharve
April 19th, 2009, 08:37 PM
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/bradford1.jpg
Bradford

harveharve
April 19th, 2009, 08:37 PM
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/bradford1.jpg
Bradford

gee
April 19th, 2009, 09:14 PM
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/bradford1.jpg
Bradford

The First Evangelical Church of Cebu

Known in the early 1900 as the First Evangelical Church of Cebu from where the Protestant Movement throughout the island province started, Bradford Church today remains a strong, united and progressive church not only from the standpoint of infrastructure but more in Christian faith, mission, worship, and fellowship. Because it is an institution of God committed to His teachings and ways, Bradford Church will last forever at its new Bradford compound along Ascension St., Sambag II, Cebu City.

It all started not long after the May 1898 end of the Spanish-American War, when with the American administrators came the educators and the missionaries. Through the efforts of Rev. & Mrs. James B. Rodgers, followed by Presbyterian missionaries Rev. & Mrs. Frederick Jansen, Dr. & Mrs. George Dunlap, Dr. & Mrs. James A. Graham, and Rev. & Mrs. John Dunlop, a community of believers was soon formed, meeting in residences of members. Out of this nucleus and through the donations of a rich philanthropist from New York by the name of Matilda Bradford, a cross-shaped church edifice of old American architecture was constructed in 1912 along Jones Avenue.

Although dedicated in 1914, Bradford Church was fully operational by 1913, which year has been designated as the founding year of the church. During the 1912-19 13 period, the Presbyterian Mission also constructed within the Bradford compound along Jones Avenue, Cebu City, such edifices as the Emerson Dormitory for girls, the Sneed Dormitory for boys, and two residence houses for the Jansens and the Dunlaps.

With Spanish as the common language of the 1900 interspersed with the Cebuano dialect, worship services were carried out with the help of interpreters. There was also a worship service in Chinese with translators. Noting the importance of teaching the English language and basic education, the Bradford Mission established a new Christian School along Pelaez St. which was then called the Student Christian Center. Today, it is called the Philippine Christian Gospel School.

http://www.bradfordchurch.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=59

gee
April 19th, 2009, 09:14 PM
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/bradford1.jpg
Bradford

The First Evangelical Church of Cebu

Known in the early 1900 as the First Evangelical Church of Cebu from where the Protestant Movement throughout the island province started, Bradford Church today remains a strong, united and progressive church not only from the standpoint of infrastructure but more in Christian faith, mission, worship, and fellowship. Because it is an institution of God committed to His teachings and ways, Bradford Church will last forever at its new Bradford compound along Ascension St., Sambag II, Cebu City.

It all started not long after the May 1898 end of the Spanish-American War, when with the American administrators came the educators and the missionaries. Through the efforts of Rev. & Mrs. James B. Rodgers, followed by Presbyterian missionaries Rev. & Mrs. Frederick Jansen, Dr. & Mrs. George Dunlap, Dr. & Mrs. James A. Graham, and Rev. & Mrs. John Dunlop, a community of believers was soon formed, meeting in residences of members. Out of this nucleus and through the donations of a rich philanthropist from New York by the name of Matilda Bradford, a cross-shaped church edifice of old American architecture was constructed in 1912 along Jones Avenue.

Although dedicated in 1914, Bradford Church was fully operational by 1913, which year has been designated as the founding year of the church. During the 1912-19 13 period, the Presbyterian Mission also constructed within the Bradford compound along Jones Avenue, Cebu City, such edifices as the Emerson Dormitory for girls, the Sneed Dormitory for boys, and two residence houses for the Jansens and the Dunlaps.

With Spanish as the common language of the 1900 interspersed with the Cebuano dialect, worship services were carried out with the help of interpreters. There was also a worship service in Chinese with translators. Noting the importance of teaching the English language and basic education, the Bradford Mission established a new Christian School along Pelaez St. which was then called the Student Christian Center. Today, it is called the Philippine Christian Gospel School.

http://www.bradfordchurch.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=59

AmbutLang
April 20th, 2009, 09:18 AM
Ilaha sab na ang Cebu Community Hospital?

AmbutLang
April 20th, 2009, 09:18 AM
Ilaha sab na ang Cebu Community Hospital?

gee
April 20th, 2009, 10:33 AM
Ilaha sab na ang Cebu Community Hospital?

i think it is owned by the Bradford-United Church of Christ in the Philippines. one needs to understand Protestantism (its division and unification) to understand the ownership of the property. The Bradford Church joined the UCCP in 1948 with other Protestant Churches. But inner conflict in 1990s led to a split: Bradford-UCCP and Bradford United Church of Christ. It is the Bradford-UCCP which is taking control of Jones Ave. property.

Here's a commentary from CDN:

The trouble-laden Bradford (Jones) United Church of Christ in the Philippines has a new set of young and vigorous ministers composing BUCCP’s Team Ministry. That’s the good news.

The bad news is that the reconciliation effort has yet to work for the BUCCP council, and its former pastor, who was unceremoniously fired. Initial findings that virtually cleared the pastor of the charges didn’t help, explaining why there are cases still pending in the labor and regional trial courts.

As I said in my previous columns, Bradford Church has a history of conflicts ever since it was founded more than a century ago, and these were often triggered by arrogance, often characterized by the “money-leadership attitude” of some church members who’re hungry of recognition, so to speak. They still have to learn from the past storms that greatly caused divisiveness among members. The situation has become a public concern, with the media actively covering the event.

I don’t see this as an alarming fact for the new pastors but a big challenge instead, as they continue to preach the redemptive teaching of Christ that the United Church of Christ in the Philippines (UCCP), to which BUCCP belongs, upholds. UCCP is the church of some of the country’s prominent leaders, like former President Fidel V. Ramos and former Senate President Jovito Salonga, among others.

The new BUCCP Team Ministry is headed by Rev. Haniel Joses Torda Taganas, administrative pastor. Prior to his new stint, Reverend Taganas served as associate (youth pastor) chaplain of the Silliman University Church, Dumaguete City. He worked together with my nephew, Rev. Calum Roble Tabada. Teaming up with Rev. Taganas are Rev. Ester Doromal-Singuran, pastor for Christian Witness and Service; Rev. James Ebon Paquibot, youth pastor; and Pastor Irish Herceda-Tibus, pastor for Christian Education and Nurture. Pastor Tibus is the better half of former sports correspondent Van Clibborn M. Tibus, who is also a minister.

All the members of the Team Ministry, including Pastor Van, are products of Silliman’s Divinity School. Welcome!

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/opinion/view/20080721-149788/Bugs-and-superbug

gee
April 20th, 2009, 10:33 AM
Ilaha sab na ang Cebu Community Hospital?

i think it is owned by the Bradford-United Church of Christ in the Philippines. one needs to understand Protestantism (its division and unification) to understand the ownership of the property. The Bradford Church joined the UCCP in 1948 with other Protestant Churches. But inner conflict in 1990s led to a split: Bradford-UCCP and Bradford United Church of Christ. It is the Bradford-UCCP which is taking control of Jones Ave. property.

Here's a commentary from CDN:

The trouble-laden Bradford (Jones) United Church of Christ in the Philippines has a new set of young and vigorous ministers composing BUCCP’s Team Ministry. That’s the good news.

The bad news is that the reconciliation effort has yet to work for the BUCCP council, and its former pastor, who was unceremoniously fired. Initial findings that virtually cleared the pastor of the charges didn’t help, explaining why there are cases still pending in the labor and regional trial courts.

As I said in my previous columns, Bradford Church has a history of conflicts ever since it was founded more than a century ago, and these were often triggered by arrogance, often characterized by the “money-leadership attitude” of some church members who’re hungry of recognition, so to speak. They still have to learn from the past storms that greatly caused divisiveness among members. The situation has become a public concern, with the media actively covering the event.

I don’t see this as an alarming fact for the new pastors but a big challenge instead, as they continue to preach the redemptive teaching of Christ that the United Church of Christ in the Philippines (UCCP), to which BUCCP belongs, upholds. UCCP is the church of some of the country’s prominent leaders, like former President Fidel V. Ramos and former Senate President Jovito Salonga, among others.

The new BUCCP Team Ministry is headed by Rev. Haniel Joses Torda Taganas, administrative pastor. Prior to his new stint, Reverend Taganas served as associate (youth pastor) chaplain of the Silliman University Church, Dumaguete City. He worked together with my nephew, Rev. Calum Roble Tabada. Teaming up with Rev. Taganas are Rev. Ester Doromal-Singuran, pastor for Christian Witness and Service; Rev. James Ebon Paquibot, youth pastor; and Pastor Irish Herceda-Tibus, pastor for Christian Education and Nurture. Pastor Tibus is the better half of former sports correspondent Van Clibborn M. Tibus, who is also a minister.

All the members of the Team Ministry, including Pastor Van, are products of Silliman’s Divinity School. Welcome!

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/opinion/view/20080721-149788/Bugs-and-superbug

goleyson
April 21st, 2009, 11:53 PM
Altar Virgin de Fatima

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Postcard/041309CHURCHALTARVIRGENDEFATIMAa.jpg

asa ning simbahana boy?

goleyson
April 21st, 2009, 11:53 PM
Altar Virgin de Fatima

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Postcard/041309CHURCHALTARVIRGENDEFATIMAa.jpg

asa ning simbahana boy?

Taga Bogo
April 22nd, 2009, 08:43 AM
asa ning simbahana boy?

:) sorry glen. My Cebu City PC is somewhat old, for a PC, its has older and slower specs. I was uploading some files sa photobucket, long story short it took me some time to upload. Desperate time calls for desperate measures, just thought it would help if I delete some of the photos in my photobucket.

I still have the picture in my Cebu City PC, unfortunately I am in Bogo now. Soon as I get back in I'll re-post the picture.

Taga Bogo
April 22nd, 2009, 08:43 AM
asa ning simbahana boy?

:) sorry glen. My Cebu City PC is somewhat old, for a PC, its has older and slower specs. I was uploading some files sa photobucket, long story short it took me some time to upload. Desperate time calls for desperate measures, just thought it would help if I delete some of the photos in my photobucket.

I still have the picture in my Cebu City PC, unfortunately I am in Bogo now. Soon as I get back in I'll re-post the picture.

goleyson
April 22nd, 2009, 02:33 PM
^^
no problem.. naa man gud ni ask og asa ni nga simbahan.

goleyson
April 22nd, 2009, 02:33 PM
^^
no problem.. naa man gud ni ask og asa ni nga simbahan.

AmbutLang
April 22nd, 2009, 04:08 PM
:) sorry glen. My Cebu City PC is somewhat old, for a PC, its has older and slower specs. I was uploading some files sa photobucket, long story short it took me some time to upload. Desperate time calls for desperate measures, just thought it would help if I delete some of the photos in my photobucket.

I still have the picture in my Cebu City PC, unfortunately I am in Bogo now. Soon as I get back in I'll re-post the picture.

^^Pareho nani nato nagka old pud, ang akong tuhod muriklamo na.:lol:

Unsa man diay pix nga gipost unta nimo bai? natingala man ko wala man.

AmbutLang
April 22nd, 2009, 04:08 PM
:) sorry glen. My Cebu City PC is somewhat old, for a PC, its has older and slower specs. I was uploading some files sa photobucket, long story short it took me some time to upload. Desperate time calls for desperate measures, just thought it would help if I delete some of the photos in my photobucket.

I still have the picture in my Cebu City PC, unfortunately I am in Bogo now. Soon as I get back in I'll re-post the picture.

^^Pareho nani nato nagka old pud, ang akong tuhod muriklamo na.:lol:

Unsa man diay pix nga gipost unta nimo bai? natingala man ko wala man.

Sleepwalker
April 23rd, 2009, 04:08 AM
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7083/cebudelagates.jpg

Sir Gee, naa kay enlarged nga version aning image? ganahan unta nako basahon.

Mga Sirs/Madams, asa ko makakita og listahan sa mga gobernador sa Sugbo?

Daghan salamat daan.

Sleepwalker
April 23rd, 2009, 04:08 AM
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7083/cebudelagates.jpg

Sir Gee, naa kay enlarged nga version aning image? ganahan unta nako basahon.

Mga Sirs/Madams, asa ko makakita og listahan sa mga gobernador sa Sugbo?

Daghan salamat daan.

Taga Bogo
April 23rd, 2009, 04:38 AM
^^Pareho nani nato nagka old pud, ang akong tuhod muriklamo na.:lol:

Unsa man diay pix nga gipost unta nimo bai? natingala man ko wala man.

"Pareho nani nato nagka old pud, ang akong tuhod muriklamo na" - otan kamungay ra na ang khinanglan para sa sakit sa tuhod bai. Unfortunately, I was told it is expensive, if there are available, from where you are now. Inig paoli unya nimo magpa sabaw tinuwa ta diri kanang daghan kamungay :) Tambal sa reyuma sa mga tiguwang :) (JOKE ONLY)

"Unsa man diay pix nga gipost unta nimo bai" - it's that picture of the Sudlon skirmish line. Na upload man but I had to go through the hassle of very dugay na upload.

Taga Bogo
April 23rd, 2009, 04:38 AM
^^Pareho nani nato nagka old pud, ang akong tuhod muriklamo na.:lol:

Unsa man diay pix nga gipost unta nimo bai? natingala man ko wala man.

"Pareho nani nato nagka old pud, ang akong tuhod muriklamo na" - otan kamungay ra na ang khinanglan para sa sakit sa tuhod bai. Unfortunately, I was told it is expensive, if there are available, from where you are now. Inig paoli unya nimo magpa sabaw tinuwa ta diri kanang daghan kamungay :) Tambal sa reyuma sa mga tiguwang :) (JOKE ONLY)

"Unsa man diay pix nga gipost unta nimo bai" - it's that picture of the Sudlon skirmish line. Na upload man but I had to go through the hassle of very dugay na upload.

archaeologue
April 23rd, 2009, 04:20 PM
Sir Gee, naa kay enlarged nga version aning image? ganahan unta nako basahon.

Mga Sirs/Madams, asa ko makakita og listahan sa mga gobernador sa Sugbo?

Daghan salamat daan.

@gEE, these are the ones for sale at ebay right now, dia ba?

archaeologue
April 23rd, 2009, 04:20 PM
Sir Gee, naa kay enlarged nga version aning image? ganahan unta nako basahon.

Mga Sirs/Madams, asa ko makakita og listahan sa mga gobernador sa Sugbo?

Daghan salamat daan.

@gEE, these are the ones for sale at ebay right now, dia ba?

archaeologue
April 23rd, 2009, 04:23 PM
Mga Sirs/Madams, asa ko makakita og listahan sa mga gobernador sa Sugbo?

Daghan salamat daan.


Assuming that you are looking only at the Governors from the American Period to the present and not including the Alcaldes Mayores of the Spanish period, then I would refer you to Cebuano Studies Center for that. They have a jubilee publication released by the Cebu Province that contain the list with accompanying photos and brief bios.

archaeologue
April 23rd, 2009, 04:23 PM
Mga Sirs/Madams, asa ko makakita og listahan sa mga gobernador sa Sugbo?

Daghan salamat daan.


Assuming that you are looking only at the Governors from the American Period to the present and not including the Alcaldes Mayores of the Spanish period, then I would refer you to Cebuano Studies Center for that. They have a jubilee publication released by the Cebu Province that contain the list with accompanying photos and brief bios.

gee
April 23rd, 2009, 06:45 PM
@gEE, these are the ones for sale at ebay right now, dia ba?

yes, pero murag nahalin na!!!

Sir Gee, naa kay enlarged nga version aning image? ganahan unta nako basahon.

Mga Sirs/Madams, asa ko makakita og listahan sa mga gobernador sa Sugbo?

Daghan salamat daan.

i'll post them later

gee
April 23rd, 2009, 06:45 PM
@gEE, these are the ones for sale at ebay right now, dia ba?

yes, pero murag nahalin na!!!

Sir Gee, naa kay enlarged nga version aning image? ganahan unta nako basahon.

Mga Sirs/Madams, asa ko makakita og listahan sa mga gobernador sa Sugbo?

Daghan salamat daan.

i'll post them later

Sleepwalker
April 24th, 2009, 02:38 AM
yes, pero murag nahalin na!!!



i'll post them later

Daghan salamat, Sir Gee

Assuming that you are looking only at the Governors from the American Period to the present and not including the Alcaldes Mayores of the Spanish period, then I would refer you to Cebuano Studies Center for that. They have a jubilee publication released by the Cebu Province that contain the list with accompanying photos and brief bios.


Sir Jobs, ang Cebuano Study Center ba kay mao na ang naa sa USC-Main library or mao ni bag-o pangalan sa Sugbo Study Center sa Mabolo?

Sleepwalker
April 24th, 2009, 02:38 AM
yes, pero murag nahalin na!!!



i'll post them later

Daghan salamat, Sir Gee

Assuming that you are looking only at the Governors from the American Period to the present and not including the Alcaldes Mayores of the Spanish period, then I would refer you to Cebuano Studies Center for that. They have a jubilee publication released by the Cebu Province that contain the list with accompanying photos and brief bios.


Sir Jobs, ang Cebuano Study Center ba kay mao na ang naa sa USC-Main library or mao ni bag-o pangalan sa Sugbo Study Center sa Mabolo?

Ang_Bantayanon
April 24th, 2009, 03:14 AM
Sir Jobs, ang Cebuano Study Center ba kay mao na ang naa sa USC-Main library or mao ni bag-o pangalan sa Sugbo Study Center sa Mabolo?

Please allow me to answer.

The Cebuano Studies Center is located in the USC Main underground. Wala sa main library kay ang naa didto ang Filipiniana library.

Ang_Bantayanon
April 24th, 2009, 03:14 AM
Sir Jobs, ang Cebuano Study Center ba kay mao na ang naa sa USC-Main library or mao ni bag-o pangalan sa Sugbo Study Center sa Mabolo?

Please allow me to answer.

The Cebuano Studies Center is located in the USC Main underground. Wala sa main library kay ang naa didto ang Filipiniana library.

Sleepwalker
April 24th, 2009, 03:43 AM
Please allow me to answer.

The Cebuano Studies Center is located in the USC Main underground. Wala sa main library kay ang naa didto ang Filipiniana library.

Thanks a lot, Ang_Bantayanon... :)

Sleepwalker
April 24th, 2009, 03:43 AM
Please allow me to answer.

The Cebuano Studies Center is located in the USC Main underground. Wala sa main library kay ang naa didto ang Filipiniana library.

Thanks a lot, Ang_Bantayanon... :)

archaeologue
April 24th, 2009, 04:07 AM
Daghan salamat, Sir Gee




Sir Jobs, ang Cebuano Study Center ba kay mao na ang naa sa USC-Main library or mao ni bag-o pangalan sa Sugbo Study Center sa Mabolo?


It's Cebuano Studies Center, not Cebuano Study Center nor Sugbu Study Center (that's the Opus Dei center).

It is part of the USC Libraries but has a separate location from that of the Main Library as well as the Filipiniana Lib.

It is located at the basement of Dingman Hall/Bldg. and occupies the only surviving portion of the 1930s CSC building that was not destroyed during the American trial bombings of Sept. 12-13, 1944.

archaeologue
April 24th, 2009, 04:07 AM
Daghan salamat, Sir Gee




Sir Jobs, ang Cebuano Study Center ba kay mao na ang naa sa USC-Main library or mao ni bag-o pangalan sa Sugbo Study Center sa Mabolo?


It's Cebuano Studies Center, not Cebuano Study Center nor Sugbu Study Center (that's the Opus Dei center).

It is part of the USC Libraries but has a separate location from that of the Main Library as well as the Filipiniana Lib.

It is located at the basement of Dingman Hall/Bldg. and occupies the only surviving portion of the 1930s CSC building that was not destroyed during the American trial bombings of Sept. 12-13, 1944.

gee
April 24th, 2009, 09:20 AM
Daghan salamat, Sir Gee

Sir Jobs, ang Cebuano Study Center ba kay mao na ang naa sa USC-Main library or mao ni bag-o pangalan sa Sugbo Study Center sa Mabolo?

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7645/delegates2.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9799/delegates1.jpg

gee
April 24th, 2009, 09:20 AM
Daghan salamat, Sir Gee

Sir Jobs, ang Cebuano Study Center ba kay mao na ang naa sa USC-Main library or mao ni bag-o pangalan sa Sugbo Study Center sa Mabolo?

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7645/delegates2.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9799/delegates1.jpg

Sleepwalker
April 24th, 2009, 11:09 AM
Muchos gracias, Sir Gee.. :)

Sleepwalker
April 24th, 2009, 11:09 AM
Muchos gracias, Sir Gee.. :)

Mercato
April 24th, 2009, 12:22 PM
Mohisgut na gani og USC Main, the first thing which comes to my mind = daghang mga guapa... mabali akong liog og lingilingi :)

Mercato
April 24th, 2009, 12:22 PM
Mohisgut na gani og USC Main, the first thing which comes to my mind = daghang mga guapa... mabali akong liog og lingilingi :)

MatudNilaBaby
April 24th, 2009, 08:13 PM
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7645/delegates2.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9799/delegates1.jpg

nganong puro lalaki raman ning mga deligado sa cebu? unsa walay labut ang mga babaye sa pagdumala sa govierno? who was the first lady representative of cebu if i may ask?

MatudNilaBaby
April 24th, 2009, 08:13 PM
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7645/delegates2.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9799/delegates1.jpg

nganong puro lalaki raman ning mga deligado sa cebu? unsa walay labut ang mga babaye sa pagdumala sa govierno? who was the first lady representative of cebu if i may ask?

gee
April 24th, 2009, 08:20 PM
Old artifacts at tunnel site:banana::banana::banana::banana:

MORE evidence of trade between early Cebuanos and the Chinese were unearthed in the construction site for the subway connecting the South Coastal Road and Sergio Osmeña Sr. Ave.

The discovery of pieces of Qing Dynasty-era ceramics along with bits of earthenware and bottles from the Spanish and early American period came four months after the National Museum of the Philippines reported the discovery of a “reformed cranium” and a gold burial mask in the same site.

The Qing (read Ch’ing) dynasty, the last of a series of dynasties in China, started in 1644 and ended in 1912, according to the Britannica Online Encyclopedia.

In a significant archaeological find in the 1.7-hectare Plaza Independencia grounds, a cranium was unearthed and presented to the press by the National Museum of the Philippines archaeological team, working alongside workers building the tunnel
section of the South Coastal Road last December.

Discovered along with the skull, aside from several pieces of Southeast Asian wares that show a flourishing pre-Spanish trade, was a gold burial mask.

The skull showed a head “flattened” on the forehead, back and sides.

Professor Jojo Bersales, head of the University of San Carlos anthropology department, yesterday said they expect more pieces of Chinese-made wares when diggings go deeper next week in the “block 21” portion of Sergio Osmeña Ave.

The National Museum deputized him to work in tandem with Kajima Corp., which is constructing the subway and doing diggings within and outside Plaza Independencia.

Bersales said the area was a settlement site during the pre-Spanish era, and Cebuanos used to bury their dead under their houses.

That is why, he said, the Plaza Independencia area surely would have burial grounds and other pieces of valuables such as porcelain, pottery and gold trinkets.

Bersales said bottles and glasses during the American period and pieces from clay pots during the Spanish period were also unearthed.

“The finds here date to around 1800s to 1930s. But there are Chinese ceramics that date to 1700s pa, all Qing dynasty. All are from what we suspect is a shoreline dynasty,” Bersales said.

He expects more trade pieces from the pre-Spanish era to be found as excavation goes deeper, and suspected that the finds since last Tuesday were in a “garbage dump or midden.”

On the discovery of the reformed skull, the National Museum said it was evidence of a caste system followed by early Cebuanos.

“It is an indication of hierarchy in society; the manipulation of the body, in this case a reformed cranium, showing there was already a social system during the pre-Spanish period,” National Museum Director Corazon Alvina had said.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/old-artifacts-tunnel-site

gee
April 24th, 2009, 08:20 PM
Old artifacts at tunnel site:banana::banana::banana::banana:

MORE evidence of trade between early Cebuanos and the Chinese were unearthed in the construction site for the subway connecting the South Coastal Road and Sergio Osmeña Sr. Ave.

The discovery of pieces of Qing Dynasty-era ceramics along with bits of earthenware and bottles from the Spanish and early American period came four months after the National Museum of the Philippines reported the discovery of a “reformed cranium” and a gold burial mask in the same site.

The Qing (read Ch’ing) dynasty, the last of a series of dynasties in China, started in 1644 and ended in 1912, according to the Britannica Online Encyclopedia.

In a significant archaeological find in the 1.7-hectare Plaza Independencia grounds, a cranium was unearthed and presented to the press by the National Museum of the Philippines archaeological team, working alongside workers building the tunnel
section of the South Coastal Road last December.

Discovered along with the skull, aside from several pieces of Southeast Asian wares that show a flourishing pre-Spanish trade, was a gold burial mask.

The skull showed a head “flattened” on the forehead, back and sides.

Professor Jojo Bersales, head of the University of San Carlos anthropology department, yesterday said they expect more pieces of Chinese-made wares when diggings go deeper next week in the “block 21” portion of Sergio Osmeña Ave.

The National Museum deputized him to work in tandem with Kajima Corp., which is constructing the subway and doing diggings within and outside Plaza Independencia.

Bersales said the area was a settlement site during the pre-Spanish era, and Cebuanos used to bury their dead under their houses.

That is why, he said, the Plaza Independencia area surely would have burial grounds and other pieces of valuables such as porcelain, pottery and gold trinkets.

Bersales said bottles and glasses during the American period and pieces from clay pots during the Spanish period were also unearthed.

“The finds here date to around 1800s to 1930s. But there are Chinese ceramics that date to 1700s pa, all Qing dynasty. All are from what we suspect is a shoreline dynasty,” Bersales said.

He expects more trade pieces from the pre-Spanish era to be found as excavation goes deeper, and suspected that the finds since last Tuesday were in a “garbage dump or midden.”

On the discovery of the reformed skull, the National Museum said it was evidence of a caste system followed by early Cebuanos.

“It is an indication of hierarchy in society; the manipulation of the body, in this case a reformed cranium, showing there was already a social system during the pre-Spanish period,” National Museum Director Corazon Alvina had said.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/old-artifacts-tunnel-site

gee
April 24th, 2009, 08:27 PM
nganong puro lalaki raman ning mga deligado sa cebu? unsa walay labut ang mga babaye sa pagdumala sa govierno? who was the first lady representative of cebu if i may ask?

It was only after a special plebiscite held on April 30, 1937 that Filipinas were granted the right to vote and to be voted upon.



ACT NO. 4112

An Act to Amend Section Four Hundred and Thirty-One of the Administrative Code, as Amended, by Granting the Right of Suffrage to the Women and Making Them Eligible to All Public Offices, and for Other Purposes.
Philippine Legislature

SECTION 1. Section four hundred and thirty-one of Act Numbered Twenty-seven hundred and eleven, known as the Administrative Code, as amended, is hereby further amended to read as follows:

''SEC. 431. Qualifications prescribed for voters. - Every male or female person who is not a citizen or is subject of a foreign power, twenty-one years of age or over, who shall have been a resident of the Philippines for one year and of the municipality in which he shall offer to vote for six months preceding the day of voting is entitled to vote in all elections if comprised within either of the following three classes:

''(a) Those who, under the laws in force in the Philippine Islands upon the twenty-eight day of August, nineteen hundred and sixteen, were legal voters and had exercised the right of suffrage.

''(b) Male persons who own real property to the value of five hundred pesos, declared in their name for taxation purposes for a period of not less than one year prior to the date of the election, or who annually pay thirty pesos or more of the established taxes.

''(c) Those who are able to read and write either Spanish, or English, or a native language.''

SECTION 2. For the purposes of the registration of women in the list of voters and voting by women, the Secretary of the Interior and Labor shall by regulation provide for the manner in which they shall establish their identity.


Approved: December 7, 1933.

gee
April 24th, 2009, 08:27 PM
nganong puro lalaki raman ning mga deligado sa cebu? unsa walay labut ang mga babaye sa pagdumala sa govierno? who was the first lady representative of cebu if i may ask?

It was only after a special plebiscite held on April 30, 1937 that Filipinas were granted the right to vote and to be voted upon.



ACT NO. 4112

An Act to Amend Section Four Hundred and Thirty-One of the Administrative Code, as Amended, by Granting the Right of Suffrage to the Women and Making Them Eligible to All Public Offices, and for Other Purposes.
Philippine Legislature

SECTION 1. Section four hundred and thirty-one of Act Numbered Twenty-seven hundred and eleven, known as the Administrative Code, as amended, is hereby further amended to read as follows:

''SEC. 431. Qualifications prescribed for voters. - Every male or female person who is not a citizen or is subject of a foreign power, twenty-one years of age or over, who shall have been a resident of the Philippines for one year and of the municipality in which he shall offer to vote for six months preceding the day of voting is entitled to vote in all elections if comprised within either of the following three classes:

''(a) Those who, under the laws in force in the Philippine Islands upon the twenty-eight day of August, nineteen hundred and sixteen, were legal voters and had exercised the right of suffrage.

''(b) Male persons who own real property to the value of five hundred pesos, declared in their name for taxation purposes for a period of not less than one year prior to the date of the election, or who annually pay thirty pesos or more of the established taxes.

''(c) Those who are able to read and write either Spanish, or English, or a native language.''

SECTION 2. For the purposes of the registration of women in the list of voters and voting by women, the Secretary of the Interior and Labor shall by regulation provide for the manner in which they shall establish their identity.


Approved: December 7, 1933.

LordCarnal
April 25th, 2009, 06:02 AM
Congratulations to archaelogue for another find! hehe

Anyway its only now that I know that the canonical crown of the Virgen sa Regla in Lapu Lapu City used to crown the image of the Nuestra Senora dela Consolacion in the church in Pari.an, Cebu City.

LordCarnal
April 25th, 2009, 06:02 AM
Congratulations to archaelogue for another find! hehe

Anyway its only now that I know that the canonical crown of the Virgen sa Regla in Lapu Lapu City used to crown the image of the Nuestra Senora dela Consolacion in the church in Pari.an, Cebu City.

goleyson
April 25th, 2009, 12:21 PM
^^
Nice info nold.. Those were lovely sets and the image wears it on her feast days. I thought then that the regalia was especially made for the canonical coronation.

La Consolacion is an Augustinian devotion, was pari-an under the Augustinians then?

goleyson
April 25th, 2009, 12:21 PM
^^
Nice info nold.. Those were lovely sets and the image wears it on her feast days. I thought then that the regalia was especially made for the canonical coronation.

La Consolacion is an Augustinian devotion, was pari-an under the Augustinians then?

archaeologue
April 25th, 2009, 01:45 PM
Congratulations to archaelogue for another find! hehe

Anyway its only now that I know that the canonical crown of the Virgen sa Regla in Lapu Lapu City used to crown the image of the Nuestra Senora dela Consolacion in the church in Pari.an, Cebu City.

thanks...we are awaiting a final portion of the subway project that will be excavted third week of May. That will probably have some tantalizing finds.

abangan...

archaeologue
April 25th, 2009, 01:45 PM
Congratulations to archaelogue for another find! hehe

Anyway its only now that I know that the canonical crown of the Virgen sa Regla in Lapu Lapu City used to crown the image of the Nuestra Senora dela Consolacion in the church in Pari.an, Cebu City.

thanks...we are awaiting a final portion of the subway project that will be excavted third week of May. That will probably have some tantalizing finds.

abangan...

Taga Bogo
April 25th, 2009, 06:07 PM
thanks...we are awaiting a final portion of the subway project that will be excavted third week of May. That will probably have some tantalizing finds.

abangan...

HEADLINES sa Cebu Sunstar LANG.

your going high profile will create more awareness to cebu's treasure - it's heritage

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

Taga Bogo
April 25th, 2009, 06:07 PM
thanks...we are awaiting a final portion of the subway project that will be excavted third week of May. That will probably have some tantalizing finds.

abangan...

HEADLINES sa Cebu Sunstar LANG.

your going high profile will create more awareness to cebu's treasure - it's heritage

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

LordCarnal
April 26th, 2009, 11:12 AM
I was able to secure permission again to go inside the Ho Tong Hardware compound in Parian where the Jesuit House of 1730 (or 1750?) is located.

According to Fr. Rene Javellan SJ, the Jesuit House in Parian was the residence of the Jesuit superior in Cebu. It is actually made up of two houses connected by a bridge -- the smaller house may have functioned more of like a roofed azotea for afternoon retreats or meditations, while the bigger main house contained what a typical religious house might have: a chapel, some rooms and perhaps a mini library.

The interiors of the house dates to the 20th century, transformed perhaps during the time when Sergio Osmeña Sr. turned it into an exclusive club.

The Jesuit House was built at a period before the suppression of the Jesuits (and their eventual expulsion from the Philippines) thus making it a valuable piece of heritage.

When the Jesuits were expelled from the Philippines, ownership of the house transferred to different personalities until the Alvarez family bought it. Right now, the house is owned by the Sy Family of Ho Tong Hardware. It currently serves as a warehouse but the owner is seriously considering turning it into a museum.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog02.jpg



Below: A plaque bearing the year 1730 (or 1750?). Relying on the authority of Fr. William Repetti, a respected Jesuit archivist and scientist during the American era, Fr. Rene Javellana believes that the year is really 1730.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog03.jpg



Below: Decorative corbels inside the smaller house (first two photos) and the main house.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog04_01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog04_02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog05.jpg



Below: One of the corbels that may have originally supported a lower ceiling.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog07.jpg



Below: The main staircase. The original staircase was described as having decorations and motifs that were intricately carved, similar to the one at the monastery of the Basilica Minore del Sto. Nino. When the house was sold, the previous owners took the original staircase with them.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog09.jpg



Below: A decorative carving at the wall near the staircase.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog06.jpg



Below: The seal of the Jesuits at the top of the portal going to the main staircase.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog08.jpg

LordCarnal
April 26th, 2009, 11:12 AM
I was able to secure permission again to go inside the Ho Tong Hardware compound in Parian where the Jesuit House of 1730 (or 1750?) is located.

According to Fr. Rene Javellan SJ, the Jesuit House in Parian was the residence of the Jesuit superior in Cebu. It is actually made up of two houses connected by a bridge -- the smaller house may have functioned more of like a roofed azotea for afternoon retreats or meditations, while the bigger main house contained what a typical religious house might have: a chapel, some rooms and perhaps a mini library.

The interiors of the house dates to the 20th century, transformed perhaps during the time when Sergio Osmeña Sr. turned it into an exclusive club.

The Jesuit House was built at a period before the suppression of the Jesuits (and their eventual expulsion from the Philippines) thus making it a valuable piece of heritage.

When the Jesuits were expelled from the Philippines, ownership of the house transferred to different personalities until the Alvarez family bought it. Right now, the house is owned by the Sy Family of Ho Tong Hardware. It currently serves as a warehouse but the owner is seriously considering turning it into a museum.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog02.jpg



Below: A plaque bearing the year 1730 (or 1750?). Relying on the authority of Fr. William Repetti, a respected Jesuit archivist and scientist during the American era, Fr. Rene Javellana believes that the year is really 1730.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog03.jpg



Below: Decorative corbels inside the smaller house (first two photos) and the main house.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog04_01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog04_02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog05.jpg



Below: One of the corbels that may have originally supported a lower ceiling.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog07.jpg



Below: The main staircase. The original staircase was described as having decorations and motifs that were intricately carved, similar to the one at the monastery of the Basilica Minore del Sto. Nino. When the house was sold, the previous owners took the original staircase with them.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog09.jpg



Below: A decorative carving at the wall near the staircase.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog06.jpg



Below: The seal of the Jesuits at the top of the portal going to the main staircase.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog08.jpg

gee
April 26th, 2009, 11:49 AM
I was able to secure permission again to go inside the Ho Tong Hardware compound in Parian where the Jesuit House of 1730 (or 1750?) is located.

According to Fr. Rene Javellan SJ, the Jesuit House in Parian was the residence of the Jesuit superior in Cebu. It is actually made up of two houses connected by a bridge -- the smaller house may have functioned more of like a roofed azotea for afternoon retreats or meditations, while the bigger main house contained what a typical religious house might have: a chapel, some rooms and perhaps a mini library.

The interiors of the house dates to the 20th century, transformed perhaps during the time when Sergio Osmeña Sr. turned it into an exclusive club.

The Jesuit House was built at a period before the suppression of the Jesuits (and their eventual expulsion from the Philippines) thus making it a valuable piece of heritage.

When the Jesuits were expelled from the Philippines, ownership of the house transferred to different personalities until the Alvarez family bought it. Right now, the house is owned by the Sy Family of Ho Tong Hardware. It currently serves as a warehouse but the owner is seriously considering turning it into a museum.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog02.jpg



Below: A plaque bearing the year 1730 (or 1750?). Relying on the authority of Fr. William Repetti, a respected Jesuit archivist and scientist during the American era, Fr. Rene Javellana believes that the year is really 1730.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog03.jpg



Below: Decorative corbels inside the smaller house (first two photos) and the main house.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog04_01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog04_02.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog05.jpg



Below: One of the corbels that may have originally supported a lower ceiling.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog07.jpg



Below: The main staircase. The original staircase was described as having decorations and motifs that were intricately carved, similar to the one at the monastery of the Basilica Minore del Sto. Nino. When the house was sold, the previous owners took the original staircase with them.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog09.jpg



Below: A decorative carving at the wall near the staircase.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog06.jpg



Below: The seal of the Jesuits at the top of the portal going to the main staircase.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog08.jpg

congratulations arnold!!! hope you or someone from ssc-cebu can write an article about it, to make the cebuanos aware about "a hidden treasure" right in the heart od downtown cebu city!!!!

gee
April 26th, 2009, 11:49 AM
I was able to secure permission again to go inside the Ho Tong Hardware compound in Parian where the Jesuit House of 1730 (or 1750?) is located.

According to Fr. Rene Javellan SJ, the Jesuit House in Parian was the residence of the Jesuit superior in Cebu. It is actually made up of two houses connected by a bridge -- the smaller house may have functioned more of like a roofed azotea for afternoon retreats or meditations, while the bigger main house contained what a typical religious house might have: a chapel, some rooms and perhaps a mini library.

The interiors of the house dates to the 20th century, transformed perhaps during the time when Sergio Osmeña Sr. turned it into an exclusive club.

The Jesuit House was built at a period before the suppression of the Jesuits (and their eventual expulsion from the Philippines) thus making it a valuable piece of heritage.

When the Jesuits were expelled from the Philippines, ownership of the house transferred to different personalities until the Alvarez family bought it. Right now, the house is owned by the Sy Family of Ho Tong Hardware. It currently serves as a warehouse but the owner is seriously considering turning it into a museum.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog01.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/cebu_heritage/houses/jesuit_house/jesuithouse_blog02.jpg



Below: A plaque bearing the year 1730 (or 1750?). Relying on the authority of Fr. William Repetti, a respected Jesuit archivist and scientist during the American era, Fr. Rene Javellana believes that the year is really 1730.

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Below: Decorative corbels inside the smaller house (first two photos) and the main house.

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Below: One of the corbels that may have originally supported a lower ceiling.

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Below: The main staircase. The original staircase was described as having decorations and motifs that were intricately carved, similar to the one at the monastery of the Basilica Minore del Sto. Nino. When the house was sold, the previous owners took the original staircase with them.

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Below: A decorative carving at the wall near the staircase.

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Below: The seal of the Jesuits at the top of the portal going to the main staircase.

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congratulations arnold!!! hope you or someone from ssc-cebu can write an article about it, to make the cebuanos aware about "a hidden treasure" right in the heart od downtown cebu city!!!!

gee
April 26th, 2009, 12:08 PM
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this post reminds me of grand hotel in taiwan:

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gee
April 26th, 2009, 12:08 PM
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this post reminds me of grand hotel in taiwan:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3145/grandg.jpg

LordCarnal
April 27th, 2009, 02:31 AM
congratulations arnold!!! hope you or someone from ssc-cebu can write an article about it, to make the cebuanos aware about "a hidden treasure" right in the heart od downtown cebu city!!!!

Thanks Fr. Gee, hehe, yup it will be the subject of an article that Im submitting for sunstar next week. hehe

LordCarnal
April 27th, 2009, 02:31 AM
congratulations arnold!!! hope you or someone from ssc-cebu can write an article about it, to make the cebuanos aware about "a hidden treasure" right in the heart od downtown cebu city!!!!

Thanks Fr. Gee, hehe, yup it will be the subject of an article that Im submitting for sunstar next week. hehe

sanvalente
April 27th, 2009, 12:35 PM
Heritage Month feast to focus on epics

By Dexter R. Matilla
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:02:00 04/28/2008

Filed Under: Culture (general), Lifestyle & Leisure

MANILA, Philippines - Tales as old as time—about beauty, truth, freedom, and love—highlight this year’s Heritage Month celebration in May.

The National Heritage Month opens tomorrow in Cagayan de Oro City. Focus of the celebration is the epic.

According to experts, the most authentic Filipino epic is the Darangen ni Bantugen. One of 43 declared “Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritages of Humanity by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (Unesco), the Darangen commemorates the adventures of mythical heroes and charts the early history of the Maranaos.

“For this year’s festivities, we will re-open a treasure trove of oral traditions that talk of life, death, love, and heroism,” Filipino Heritage Festival director Bambi Harper, also the new head of the Intramuros Administration, said.

“By presenting these epic chants, we will also showcase the traditional beliefs and values systems upon which these literary forms are founded.”

Since the inception of the Heritage Month celebrations five years ago (born out of President Macapagal-Arroyo’s Proclamation No. 439), the FHF has been steadfast in keeping alive Filipinos’ awareness of and pride for their culture, history and heritage.

This year is no different as Harper, along with FHF president Armita Rufino and finance officer Araceli Salas, has organized an array of cultural activities that will bring the Filipino people to a new awareness of their age-old traditions, cultural practices, songs, dances, poetry, and centuries-old architectural wonders.

The celebrations are not limited to Cagayan de Oro as all over the archipelago, the diverse wonders of Filipino heritage will be felt all month long.

At the Tanghalang Nicanor Abelardo of the Cultural Center of the Philippines, the Philippine Ballet Theater will perform the Darangen ni Bantugen, as choreographed by Gener Caringal.

Music will be provided by Jesse Lucas while set and costume design are by National Artist Salvador Bernal.

In Last Piñas, excerpts of the epic will be staged.

In Manila, activities include the Patawa exhibit (evoking laughter through poems, jokes, photos, and memorabilia) at the Metropolitan Museum; an exhibit focusing on the Filipinos’ Chinese roots in Binondo; the 4th Government Service and Insurance System (GSIS) painting competition; Flores de Mayo at the Malate Church; and Santacruzan staged by veteran fashion designer Ben Farrales.

At the SM Mall of Asia and SM The Block, Sinauna, a showcase of Filipino home artifacts, will be featured.

There will also be a photographic exhibit of American colonial bridges at Greenbelt 3 as well as a display of the photo collection by Donal Tapan of famous Philippine festivals at the Robinsons Manila.

A poster exhibit of Spanish colonial bridges will be held in Marikina and Laguna.

Meanwhile, a poster exhibit of Spanish colonial lighthouses will tour Manila, Ilocos Norte and Bohol.

An exhibit of Muslim antiques will be hosted by Rustan’s while old Philippine maps will become the focus of an exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum.

“Kisame,” a photo display of Bohol’s magnificent painted ceilings, completes the roster of exhibits.

The Intercontinental Manila will feature the best of Bicol cuisine. At the Cafe Jeepney, guest chefs will serve up Bicol delicacies such as laing, pili nut desserts, and sweet pineapples from Daet.

Filipino street food such as the balut, penoy, green mangoes with bagoong, boiled corn on the cob and peanuts and grilled delicacies will be served at the Sol y Sombra poolside restaurant.

The hotel lobby will have floral installations by “floral architect” Rachy Cuna. Titled “BayanCuna: Unity in Philippine Artistry,” the exhibit will feature local materials such as twigs, driftwood, and dried leaves which are tweaked and given new form as only Cuna can.

“Culture is always the greatest emulsifier,” Cuna said. When people are divided in thought and spirit, what brings them closer is culture. Our own culture teaches Filipinos to love one another.”

E-mail the author at dxmatilla@yahoo.com


KALOOY POD SA CEBU, WA MAN LANG JUD GI-APIL!

sanvalente
April 27th, 2009, 12:35 PM
Heritage Month feast to focus on epics

By Dexter R. Matilla
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:02:00 04/28/2008

Filed Under: Culture (general), Lifestyle & Leisure

MANILA, Philippines - Tales as old as time—about beauty, truth, freedom, and love—highlight this year’s Heritage Month celebration in May.

The National Heritage Month opens tomorrow in Cagayan de Oro City. Focus of the celebration is the epic.

According to experts, the most authentic Filipino epic is the Darangen ni Bantugen. One of 43 declared “Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritages of Humanity by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (Unesco), the Darangen commemorates the adventures of mythical heroes and charts the early history of the Maranaos.

“For this year’s festivities, we will re-open a treasure trove of oral traditions that talk of life, death, love, and heroism,” Filipino Heritage Festival director Bambi Harper, also the new head of the Intramuros Administration, said.

“By presenting these epic chants, we will also showcase the traditional beliefs and values systems upon which these literary forms are founded.”

Since the inception of the Heritage Month celebrations five years ago (born out of President Macapagal-Arroyo’s Proclamation No. 439), the FHF has been steadfast in keeping alive Filipinos’ awareness of and pride for their culture, history and heritage.

This year is no different as Harper, along with FHF president Armita Rufino and finance officer Araceli Salas, has organized an array of cultural activities that will bring the Filipino people to a new awareness of their age-old traditions, cultural practices, songs, dances, poetry, and centuries-old architectural wonders.

The celebrations are not limited to Cagayan de Oro as all over the archipelago, the diverse wonders of Filipino heritage will be felt all month long.

At the Tanghalang Nicanor Abelardo of the Cultural Center of the Philippines, the Philippine Ballet Theater will perform the Darangen ni Bantugen, as choreographed by Gener Caringal.

Music will be provided by Jesse Lucas while set and costume design are by National Artist Salvador Bernal.

In Last Piñas, excerpts of the epic will be staged.

In Manila, activities include the Patawa exhibit (evoking laughter through poems, jokes, photos, and memorabilia) at the Metropolitan Museum; an exhibit focusing on the Filipinos’ Chinese roots in Binondo; the 4th Government Service and Insurance System (GSIS) painting competition; Flores de Mayo at the Malate Church; and Santacruzan staged by veteran fashion designer Ben Farrales.

At the SM Mall of Asia and SM The Block, Sinauna, a showcase of Filipino home artifacts, will be featured.

There will also be a photographic exhibit of American colonial bridges at Greenbelt 3 as well as a display of the photo collection by Donal Tapan of famous Philippine festivals at the Robinsons Manila.

A poster exhibit of Spanish colonial bridges will be held in Marikina and Laguna.

Meanwhile, a poster exhibit of Spanish colonial lighthouses will tour Manila, Ilocos Norte and Bohol.

An exhibit of Muslim antiques will be hosted by Rustan’s while old Philippine maps will become the focus of an exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum.

“Kisame,” a photo display of Bohol’s magnificent painted ceilings, completes the roster of exhibits.

The Intercontinental Manila will feature the best of Bicol cuisine. At the Cafe Jeepney, guest chefs will serve up Bicol delicacies such as laing, pili nut desserts, and sweet pineapples from Daet.

Filipino street food such as the balut, penoy, green mangoes with bagoong, boiled corn on the cob and peanuts and grilled delicacies will be served at the Sol y Sombra poolside restaurant.

The hotel lobby will have floral installations by “floral architect” Rachy Cuna. Titled “BayanCuna: Unity in Philippine Artistry,” the exhibit will feature local materials such as twigs, driftwood, and dried leaves which are tweaked and given new form as only Cuna can.

“Culture is always the greatest emulsifier,” Cuna said. When people are divided in thought and spirit, what brings them closer is culture. Our own culture teaches Filipinos to love one another.”

E-mail the author at dxmatilla@yahoo.com


KALOOY POD SA CEBU, WA MAN LANG JUD GI-APIL!

Pinoy_ako
April 27th, 2009, 01:42 PM
Below: A decorative carving at the wall near the staircase.

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This flower appears in at least two other former Jesuit churches in Luzon: Indang and Maragondon. They cover certain portals of these churches.

Pinoy_ako
April 27th, 2009, 01:42 PM
Below: A decorative carving at the wall near the staircase.

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This flower appears in at least two other former Jesuit churches in Luzon: Indang and Maragondon. They cover certain portals of these churches.

Ang_Bantayanon
April 27th, 2009, 02:37 PM
Heritage Month feast to focus on epics

By Dexter R. Matilla
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:02:00 04/28/2008

Filed Under: Culture (general), Lifestyle & Leisure

MANILA, Philippines - Tales as old as time—about beauty, truth, freedom, and love—highlight this year’s Heritage Month celebration in May.

The National Heritage Month opens tomorrow in Cagayan de Oro City. Focus of the celebration is the epic.

According to experts, the most authentic Filipino epic is the Darangen ni Bantugen. One of 43 declared “Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritages of Humanity by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (Unesco), the Darangen commemorates the adventures of mythical heroes and charts the early history of the Maranaos.

“For this year’s festivities, we will re-open a treasure trove of oral traditions that talk of life, death, love, and heroism,” Filipino Heritage Festival director Bambi Harper, also the new head of the Intramuros Administration, said.

“By presenting these epic chants, we will also showcase the traditional beliefs and values systems upon which these literary forms are founded.”

Since the inception of the Heritage Month celebrations five years ago (born out of President Macapagal-Arroyo’s Proclamation No. 439), the FHF has been steadfast in keeping alive Filipinos’ awareness of and pride for their culture, history and heritage.

This year is no different as Harper, along with FHF president Armita Rufino and finance officer Araceli Salas, has organized an array of cultural activities that will bring the Filipino people to a new awareness of their age-old traditions, cultural practices, songs, dances, poetry, and centuries-old architectural wonders.

The celebrations are not limited to Cagayan de Oro as all over the archipelago, the diverse wonders of Filipino heritage will be felt all month long.

At the Tanghalang Nicanor Abelardo of the Cultural Center of the Philippines, the Philippine Ballet Theater will perform the Darangen ni Bantugen, as choreographed by Gener Caringal.

Music will be provided by Jesse Lucas while set and costume design are by National Artist Salvador Bernal.

In Last Piñas, excerpts of the epic will be staged.

In Manila, activities include the Patawa exhibit (evoking laughter through poems, jokes, photos, and memorabilia) at the Metropolitan Museum; an exhibit focusing on the Filipinos’ Chinese roots in Binondo; the 4th Government Service and Insurance System (GSIS) painting competition; Flores de Mayo at the Malate Church; and Santacruzan staged by veteran fashion designer Ben Farrales.

At the SM Mall of Asia and SM The Block, Sinauna, a showcase of Filipino home artifacts, will be featured.

There will also be a photographic exhibit of American colonial bridges at Greenbelt 3 as well as a display of the photo collection by Donal Tapan of famous Philippine festivals at the Robinsons Manila.

A poster exhibit of Spanish colonial bridges will be held in Marikina and Laguna.

Meanwhile, a poster exhibit of Spanish colonial lighthouses will tour Manila, Ilocos Norte and Bohol.

An exhibit of Muslim antiques will be hosted by Rustan’s while old Philippine maps will become the focus of an exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum.

“Kisame,” a photo display of Bohol’s magnificent painted ceilings, completes the roster of exhibits.

The Intercontinental Manila will feature the best of Bicol cuisine. At the Cafe Jeepney, guest chefs will serve up Bicol delicacies such as laing, pili nut desserts, and sweet pineapples from Daet.

Filipino street food such as the balut, penoy, green mangoes with bagoong, boiled corn on the cob and peanuts and grilled delicacies will be served at the Sol y Sombra poolside restaurant.

The hotel lobby will have floral installations by “floral architect” Rachy Cuna. Titled “BayanCuna: Unity in Philippine Artistry,” the exhibit will feature local materials such as twigs, driftwood, and dried leaves which are tweaked and given new form as only Cuna can.

“Culture is always the greatest emulsifier,” Cuna said. When people are divided in thought and spirit, what brings them closer is culture. Our own culture teaches Filipinos to love one another.”

E-mail the author at dxmatilla@yahoo.com


KALOOY POD SA CEBU, WA MAN LANG JUD GI-APIL!

It's no reason for Cebuanos to fret. Di man gyud ta maulahi. If other places would do their own thing without us, it's not a problem because we always have our very own celebration too.

National heritage months starts tomorrow with the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu -- the refurbished Cathedral will be blessed and the Jubilee garden of the Cathedral Museum. The new garden will soon become a mecca for heritage-related activities.

We will also have Gabii sa Kabilin in May which is the only one of its kind in the entire country.

There's more to come.

Ang_Bantayanon
April 27th, 2009, 02:37 PM
Heritage Month feast to focus on epics

By Dexter R. Matilla
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:02:00 04/28/2008

Filed Under: Culture (general), Lifestyle & Leisure

MANILA, Philippines - Tales as old as time—about beauty, truth, freedom, and love—highlight this year’s Heritage Month celebration in May.

The National Heritage Month opens tomorrow in Cagayan de Oro City. Focus of the celebration is the epic.

According to experts, the most authentic Filipino epic is the Darangen ni Bantugen. One of 43 declared “Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritages of Humanity by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (Unesco), the Darangen commemorates the adventures of mythical heroes and charts the early history of the Maranaos.

“For this year’s festivities, we will re-open a treasure trove of oral traditions that talk of life, death, love, and heroism,” Filipino Heritage Festival director Bambi Harper, also the new head of the Intramuros Administration, said.

“By presenting these epic chants, we will also showcase the traditional beliefs and values systems upon which these literary forms are founded.”

Since the inception of the Heritage Month celebrations five years ago (born out of President Macapagal-Arroyo’s Proclamation No. 439), the FHF has been steadfast in keeping alive Filipinos’ awareness of and pride for their culture, history and heritage.

This year is no different as Harper, along with FHF president Armita Rufino and finance officer Araceli Salas, has organized an array of cultural activities that will bring the Filipino people to a new awareness of their age-old traditions, cultural practices, songs, dances, poetry, and centuries-old architectural wonders.

The celebrations are not limited to Cagayan de Oro as all over the archipelago, the diverse wonders of Filipino heritage will be felt all month long.

At the Tanghalang Nicanor Abelardo of the Cultural Center of the Philippines, the Philippine Ballet Theater will perform the Darangen ni Bantugen, as choreographed by Gener Caringal.

Music will be provided by Jesse Lucas while set and costume design are by National Artist Salvador Bernal.

In Last Piñas, excerpts of the epic will be staged.

In Manila, activities include the Patawa exhibit (evoking laughter through poems, jokes, photos, and memorabilia) at the Metropolitan Museum; an exhibit focusing on the Filipinos’ Chinese roots in Binondo; the 4th Government Service and Insurance System (GSIS) painting competition; Flores de Mayo at the Malate Church; and Santacruzan staged by veteran fashion designer Ben Farrales.

At the SM Mall of Asia and SM The Block, Sinauna, a showcase of Filipino home artifacts, will be featured.

There will also be a photographic exhibit of American colonial bridges at Greenbelt 3 as well as a display of the photo collection by Donal Tapan of famous Philippine festivals at the Robinsons Manila.

A poster exhibit of Spanish colonial bridges will be held in Marikina and Laguna.

Meanwhile, a poster exhibit of Spanish colonial lighthouses will tour Manila, Ilocos Norte and Bohol.

An exhibit of Muslim antiques will be hosted by Rustan’s while old Philippine maps will become the focus of an exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum.

“Kisame,” a photo display of Bohol’s magnificent painted ceilings, completes the roster of exhibits.

The Intercontinental Manila will feature the best of Bicol cuisine. At the Cafe Jeepney, guest chefs will serve up Bicol delicacies such as laing, pili nut desserts, and sweet pineapples from Daet.

Filipino street food such as the balut, penoy, green mangoes with bagoong, boiled corn on the cob and peanuts and grilled delicacies will be served at the Sol y Sombra poolside restaurant.

The hotel lobby will have floral installations by “floral architect” Rachy Cuna. Titled “BayanCuna: Unity in Philippine Artistry,” the exhibit will feature local materials such as twigs, driftwood, and dried leaves which are tweaked and given new form as only Cuna can.

“Culture is always the greatest emulsifier,” Cuna said. When people are divided in thought and spirit, what brings them closer is culture. Our own culture teaches Filipinos to love one another.”

E-mail the author at dxmatilla@yahoo.com


KALOOY POD SA CEBU, WA MAN LANG JUD GI-APIL!

It's no reason for Cebuanos to fret. Di man gyud ta maulahi. If other places would do their own thing without us, it's not a problem because we always have our very own celebration too.

National heritage months starts tomorrow with the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu -- the refurbished Cathedral will be blessed and the Jubilee garden of the Cathedral Museum. The new garden will soon become a mecca for heritage-related activities.

We will also have Gabii sa Kabilin in May which is the only one of its kind in the entire country.

There's more to come.

overtureph
April 27th, 2009, 05:20 PM
Thanks LordCarnal for posting the interior photos of the former Jesuit residence. Are there more photos?

overtureph
April 27th, 2009, 05:20 PM
Thanks LordCarnal for posting the interior photos of the former Jesuit residence. Are there more photos?

Animo
April 27th, 2009, 06:50 PM
This flower appears in at least two other former Jesuit churches in Luzon: Indang and Maragondon. They cover certain portals of these churches.

Are those flowers, passion flowers? I know that they have a special meaning for the Jesuits.

http://www.flwildflowers.com/clues/

The Story

So it was for the Jesuit missionaries of the 17th Century. They intended to spread the Catholic religion as far as the boundaries of the world would allow, and followed in the wake of the (then) all-conquering Spanish empire. As is well known, they fetched up in South America. This indeed was an alien world, full of totally unexpected animals and plants. Yet it was all, as they saw it, part of God's bountiful creation.

No more so was God's handiwork manifest than in one plant in particular. The passion flower is so called because it symbolised Christ's suffering on the cross. Passion flowers are climbing vines, probably distant relatives of the cucumber. They use tendrils to scramble up other plants, through the rainforest canopy and towards the light. Pretty unremarkable stuff, so far; there are countless examples of climbing plants. The flower, however, is a thing of unique and undisputed beauty, regardless of the provenance of its design.

The typical passion flower has five sepals1 and five petals, which are almost identical to the sepals. Immediately inside these is a structure with a shape found in no other flower. This corona is formed of two stacked rings of very fine filaments, often brightly coloured like the sepals and petals. Protruding from the centre of the corona is a small post, upon which rests the ovaries, five stamens2 and anthers3, and three stigmas4.

This is where the symbolism gets a little florid (if you'll pardon the expression). Unusually for such a story it has a well-documented and undisputed origin. Jacomo Bosio, a scholar, lived in Rome in 1609. He was working on a treatise upon the crucifixion when an Augustinian friar of Mexican birth showed him drawings of a remarkable flower. After much prevarication (and a rather liberal interpretation of the facts) he agreed to include the drawings of the flower in his book. The symbols of the Passion of Christ were many and varied. The unique corona represented the crown of thorns. The ten sepals and petals represented the Apostles (except Judas and Peter, who both distanced themselves from Christ prior to the crucifixion). The five anthers were the five wounds on Christ's body, and the three stigmas the nails. The leaves were the spear that pierced His side, and the tendrils the scourges that flayed His flesh. No doubt there were other symbols to be found, if one could be bothered to look for them.

But the fact remains that the passion flower is indeed an exquisitely beautiful plant. Moreover, counting the numbers of the components in the flower gives a striking example of how the Fibonacci numbers govern so much of plant growth and symmetry. Threes and fives are self-evident, but closer inspection reveals more subtle resonances. This Researcher counted 555 filaments to a corona ring on average, not the 72 thorns that the Jesuits held to be present in the crown. If God's handiwork is present in the passion flower, then it is indirectly expressed using the language of numbers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A6379518

Animo
April 27th, 2009, 06:50 PM
This flower appears in at least two other former Jesuit churches in Luzon: Indang and Maragondon. They cover certain portals of these churches.

Are those flowers, passion flowers? I know that they have a special meaning for the Jesuits.

http://www.flwildflowers.com/clues/

The Story

So it was for the Jesuit missionaries of the 17th Century. They intended to spread the Catholic religion as far as the boundaries of the world would allow, and followed in the wake of the (then) all-conquering Spanish empire. As is well known, they fetched up in South America. This indeed was an alien world, full of totally unexpected animals and plants. Yet it was all, as they saw it, part of God's bountiful creation.

No more so was God's handiwork manifest than in one plant in particular. The passion flower is so called because it symbolised Christ's suffering on the cross. Passion flowers are climbing vines, probably distant relatives of the cucumber. They use tendrils to scramble up other plants, through the rainforest canopy and towards the light. Pretty unremarkable stuff, so far; there are countless examples of climbing plants. The flower, however, is a thing of unique and undisputed beauty, regardless of the provenance of its design.

The typical passion flower has five sepals1 and five petals, which are almost identical to the sepals. Immediately inside these is a structure with a shape found in no other flower. This corona is formed of two stacked rings of very fine filaments, often brightly coloured like the sepals and petals. Protruding from the centre of the corona is a small post, upon which rests the ovaries, five stamens2 and anthers3, and three stigmas4.

This is where the symbolism gets a little florid (if you'll pardon the expression). Unusually for such a story it has a well-documented and undisputed origin. Jacomo Bosio, a scholar, lived in Rome in 1609. He was working on a treatise upon the crucifixion when an Augustinian friar of Mexican birth showed him drawings of a remarkable flower. After much prevarication (and a rather liberal interpretation of the facts) he agreed to include the drawings of the flower in his book. The symbols of the Passion of Christ were many and varied. The unique corona represented the crown of thorns. The ten sepals and petals represented the Apostles (except Judas and Peter, who both distanced themselves from Christ prior to the crucifixion). The five anthers were the five wounds on Christ's body, and the three stigmas the nails. The leaves were the spear that pierced His side, and the tendrils the scourges that flayed His flesh. No doubt there were other symbols to be found, if one could be bothered to look for them.

But the fact remains that the passion flower is indeed an exquisitely beautiful plant. Moreover, counting the numbers of the components in the flower gives a striking example of how the Fibonacci numbers govern so much of plant growth and symmetry. Threes and fives are self-evident, but closer inspection reveals more subtle resonances. This Researcher counted 555 filaments to a corona ring on average, not the 72 thorns that the Jesuits held to be present in the crown. If God's handiwork is present in the passion flower, then it is indirectly expressed using the language of numbers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A6379518

gee
April 27th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Preserving church heritage
FIGHTING WORDS By Kay Malilong Isberto Updated April 28, 2009 12:00 AM

It is always a joy to listen to someone who knows what he is talking about and at the same time does not take himself too seriously. Listening to the lecture of Father Milan Ted T. Torralba was one such experience.

Father Torralba referred to himself as “just a priest” but his assignment at the Diocese of Tagbilaran is just one of his posts. He is a canon lawyer. He wrote a dissertation on church heritage. He is also the assistant secretary of the Apostolic Nunciature in the Philippines and the executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines Permanent Committee for the Cultural Heritage of the Church.

He was invited by the Heritage Conservation Society last Saturday to talk about the Agreement Between the Holy See and the Republic of the Philippines on the Cultural Heritage of the Catholic Church. The Agreement was signed last 17 April 2007 and entered into full force on 29 May 2008 with the exchange of instruments of ratification between the two State Parties.

“How does the Church understand its own heritage?” Father Torralba started his lecture by describing what role heritage played in the Church. In the controversies surrounding renovations and repairs done in colonial churches, the side of the priest is rarely heard. News accounts, I admit, usually demonize the priest and the other people involved in those projects and accuse them of neglect, having bad taste and other wrongs.

Father Torralba pointed out that churches are expressions of faith and they serve as privileged means of catechesis and evangelization. “God, if you save me, I’ll buy you a candle as tall as the electric post,” went a joke I heard when I was a kid. Listening to his talk made me realize that some of the controversial renovations and repairs (such as attaching a grotto to the façade or painting a retablo gold) could have been rooted in the desire to express faith and not out of a malicious desire to destroy or deface heritage.

He gave his theories on why Philippine church heritage is not well-preserved, among them, the end of the Spanish royal patronage when funding for building and maintaining churches was halted, the relative newness of the issue of cultural heritage (it is not a subject taught to Philippine seminarians), the emphasis on the social apostolate, the separation of Church and State becoming the norm, the “Disneyfication” of Filipinos, the mystification of tourism as end-all and be-all, and the misinterpretation of Vatican II. These are thoughtful observations and I agree with him when he said that education is an important solution to the problem.

In an article he wrote for a magazine, Father Torralba pointed out that about eighty percent of built heritage in the Philippines consists of church heritage. Given this number, I am hopeful that the Agreement will be instrumental in preserving Philippine cultural heritage. The National Commission for Culture and the Arts and the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines are in the process of finalizing the details on the implementation of the Agreement. These should include a harmonization of Canon Law and Philippine civil laws on cultural heritage and a procedure for resolving conflicts on church heritage.

The room at the Army and Navy Club where the lecture was held was filled with heritage advocates and enthusiasts who had a lot of stories to tell about their sad experiences with the Catholic Church with regards heritage. One has resulted in litigation which remains pending with the Court of Appeals.

As expected, a lot of questions were asked about what they could do to preserve church heritage, including how they could have a priest removed from their parish. Father Torralba was very candid in discussing the procedures under Canon Law for filing complaints and appeals against priests accused of not preserving church heritage. While the information is helpful, I hope less adversarial solutions will be used to resolve present and future conflicts.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=462039&publicationSubCategoryId=109

gee
April 27th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Preserving church heritage
FIGHTING WORDS By Kay Malilong Isberto Updated April 28, 2009 12:00 AM

It is always a joy to listen to someone who knows what he is talking about and at the same time does not take himself too seriously. Listening to the lecture of Father Milan Ted T. Torralba was one such experience.

Father Torralba referred to himself as “just a priest” but his assignment at the Diocese of Tagbilaran is just one of his posts. He is a canon lawyer. He wrote a dissertation on church heritage. He is also the assistant secretary of the Apostolic Nunciature in the Philippines and the executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines Permanent Committee for the Cultural Heritage of the Church.

He was invited by the Heritage Conservation Society last Saturday to talk about the Agreement Between the Holy See and the Republic of the Philippines on the Cultural Heritage of the Catholic Church. The Agreement was signed last 17 April 2007 and entered into full force on 29 May 2008 with the exchange of instruments of ratification between the two State Parties.

“How does the Church understand its own heritage?” Father Torralba started his lecture by describing what role heritage played in the Church. In the controversies surrounding renovations and repairs done in colonial churches, the side of the priest is rarely heard. News accounts, I admit, usually demonize the priest and the other people involved in those projects and accuse them of neglect, having bad taste and other wrongs.

Father Torralba pointed out that churches are expressions of faith and they serve as privileged means of catechesis and evangelization. “God, if you save me, I’ll buy you a candle as tall as the electric post,” went a joke I heard when I was a kid. Listening to his talk made me realize that some of the controversial renovations and repairs (such as attaching a grotto to the façade or painting a retablo gold) could have been rooted in the desire to express faith and not out of a malicious desire to destroy or deface heritage.

He gave his theories on why Philippine church heritage is not well-preserved, among them, the end of the Spanish royal patronage when funding for building and maintaining churches was halted, the relative newness of the issue of cultural heritage (it is not a subject taught to Philippine seminarians), the emphasis on the social apostolate, the separation of Church and State becoming the norm, the “Disneyfication” of Filipinos, the mystification of tourism as end-all and be-all, and the misinterpretation of Vatican II. These are thoughtful observations and I agree with him when he said that education is an important solution to the problem.

In an article he wrote for a magazine, Father Torralba pointed out that about eighty percent of built heritage in the Philippines consists of church heritage. Given this number, I am hopeful that the Agreement will be instrumental in preserving Philippine cultural heritage. The National Commission for Culture and the Arts and the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines are in the process of finalizing the details on the implementation of the Agreement. These should include a harmonization of Canon Law and Philippine civil laws on cultural heritage and a procedure for resolving conflicts on church heritage.

The room at the Army and Navy Club where the lecture was held was filled with heritage advocates and enthusiasts who had a lot of stories to tell about their sad experiences with the Catholic Church with regards heritage. One has resulted in litigation which remains pending with the Court of Appeals.

As expected, a lot of questions were asked about what they could do to preserve church heritage, including how they could have a priest removed from their parish. Father Torralba was very candid in discussing the procedures under Canon Law for filing complaints and appeals against priests accused of not preserving church heritage. While the information is helpful, I hope less adversarial solutions will be used to resolve present and future conflicts.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=462039&publicationSubCategoryId=109

AmbutLang
April 27th, 2009, 07:52 PM
Fr. Toralba hit it on the nail. New theologians in the Philippines should have one subject on their last semester before their ordination on heritage & ethics. Especially those who will be assigned to old heritage Churches in need of repairs. The diocese should be made aware of these structures in its jurisdiction, as not to repeat the Recoletos did to the Church in front of Freedom Park.

I like what the Mexican did to the Old Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe, They reinforced the sinking building and constructed another bigger House/Church for Our Lady of Guadalupe nearby with a better foundation since Mexico City was a lake before. The thousands of tourists and pilgrims everyday do not disturb the function on the main floor, like celebration of Masses where everybody in the Church could see and venerate the Miraculous Image of Our Lady.

AmbutLang
April 27th, 2009, 07:52 PM
Fr. Toralba hit it on the nail. New theologians in the Philippines should have one subject on their last semester before their ordination on heritage & ethics. Especially those who will be assigned to old heritage Churches in need of repairs. The diocese should be made aware of these structures in its jurisdiction, as not to repeat the Recoletos did to the Church in front of Freedom Park.

I like what the Mexican did to the Old Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe, They reinforced the sinking building and constructed another bigger House/Church for Our Lady of Guadalupe nearby with a better foundation since Mexico City was a lake before. The thousands of tourists and pilgrims everyday do not disturb the function on the main floor, like celebration of Masses where everybody in the Church could see and venerate the Miraculous Image of Our Lady.

Pinoy_ako
April 28th, 2009, 12:18 PM
Are those flowers, passion flowers? I know that they have a special meaning for the Jesuits.


I haven't seen yet the passion flowers in Jesuit churches outside the Philippines. Cavitenos refer to them as milflores.

Pinoy_ako
April 28th, 2009, 12:18 PM
Are those flowers, passion flowers? I know that they have a special meaning for the Jesuits.


I haven't seen yet the passion flowers in Jesuit churches outside the Philippines. Cavitenos refer to them as milflores.

overtureph
April 28th, 2009, 05:39 PM
Fr. Toralba hit it on the nail. New theologians in the Philippines should have one subject on their last semester before their ordination on heritage & ethics. Especially those who will be assigned to old heritage Churches in need of repairs. The diocese should be made aware of these structures in its jurisdiction, as not to repeat the Recoletos did to the Church in front of Freedom Park.

I like what the Mexican did to the Old Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe, They reinforced the sinking building and constructed another bigger House/Church for Our Lady of Guadalupe nearby with a better foundation since Mexico City was a lake before. The thousands of tourists and pilgrims everyday do not disturb the function on the main floor, like celebration of Masses where everybody in the Church could see and venerate the Miraculous Image of Our Lady.

Ironically, Mexico has a history of anti-church/clergy, in the lines of socialism, but they are keen in preservation of religious structures. Same goes with the former USSR, they over threw the old aristocratic system, but took great pains in preserving their (old system) architectural legacy. An example would be St. Petersburg/Leningrad which was the site of a major battle during WWII. But they took great pains in rebuilding and conserving it.

As compared to us Filipinos, who reputedly revere their ancestors and are devout church goers. But look at the state of our old churches, ancestral houses and old colonial cemetery (I know one in Batangas which is now a subdivision).

How ironic.

overtureph
April 28th, 2009, 05:39 PM
Fr. Toralba hit it on the nail. New theologians in the Philippines should have one subject on their last semester before their ordination on heritage & ethics. Especially those who will be assigned to old heritage Churches in need of repairs. The diocese should be made aware of these structures in its jurisdiction, as not to repeat the Recoletos did to the Church in front of Freedom Park.

I like what the Mexican did to the Old Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe, They reinforced the sinking building and constructed another bigger House/Church for Our Lady of Guadalupe nearby with a better foundation since Mexico City was a lake before. The thousands of tourists and pilgrims everyday do not disturb the function on the main floor, like celebration of Masses where everybody in the Church could see and venerate the Miraculous Image of Our Lady.

Ironically, Mexico has a history of anti-church/clergy, in the lines of socialism, but they are keen in preservation of religious structures. Same goes with the former USSR, they over threw the old aristocratic system, but took great pains in preserving their (old system) architectural legacy. An example would be St. Petersburg/Leningrad which was the site of a major battle during WWII. But they took great pains in rebuilding and conserving it.

As compared to us Filipinos, who reputedly revere their ancestors and are devout church goers. But look at the state of our old churches, ancestral houses and old colonial cemetery (I know one in Batangas which is now a subdivision).

How ironic.

LordCarnal
April 29th, 2009, 03:22 AM
@pinoy_ako
@overtureph

Thanks. Those are the only photos that I took.

@ambutlang

You're right bai Fred.

LordCarnal
April 29th, 2009, 03:22 AM
@pinoy_ako
@overtureph

Thanks. Those are the only photos that I took.

@ambutlang

You're right bai Fred.

Animo
April 29th, 2009, 03:42 AM
I haven't seen yet the passion flowers in Jesuit churches outside the Philippines. Cavitenos refer to them as milflores.

Oh, Pinoy Ako. It's a hortensia flower then. :D

http://www.valdeorras.com/natural/data/media/4/Hortensia.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrangea

Animo
April 29th, 2009, 03:42 AM
I haven't seen yet the passion flowers in Jesuit churches outside the Philippines. Cavitenos refer to them as milflores.

Oh, Pinoy Ako. It's a hortensia flower then. :D

http://www.valdeorras.com/natural/data/media/4/Hortensia.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrangea

estan
April 29th, 2009, 09:41 AM
The new web address of the Cathedral Museum of Cebu is now at:

cebucathedralmuseum.org (http://cebucathedralmuseum.org)

I've already integrated the pages and the blog pero di pa ni final design unless I will get new images. New posts na lang kinahanglan :)

Please update your blogroll :)

estan
April 29th, 2009, 09:41 AM
The new web address of the Cathedral Museum of Cebu is now at:

cebucathedralmuseum.org (http://cebucathedralmuseum.org)

I've already integrated the pages and the blog pero di pa ni final design unless I will get new images. New posts na lang kinahanglan :)

Please update your blogroll :)

archaeologue
April 29th, 2009, 01:40 PM
Below are some photos of Block 21, where the final leg of the northern side of the SRP Subway has just been dug up, after a week of excavations that began from early morning till 10 p.m.

Only half has been excavated with the second half, which I suspect may contain burials, still to be excavated in late May.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/before.jpg

Before excavation.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherd11.jpg

After excavating ca. 2 meters from ground surface.



Some of the colonial period finds (18th-19th c. Chinese and European ceramic sherds, 1930s cantonese planters, 19th c. broken wine and beer bottles, 1920s aerated water bottles , demijohns, terra cotta roof tiles, bricks, piedra chinas, etc.) :



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds1.jpg

Note: The large Zhangzhou kraak ware above was recovered from Block 18 (Malacanang sa Sugbo).




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds4.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds3.jpg


The joke going around was that we probably found a household where a couple was always fighting, with the kitchen bearing the brunt of the domestic chaos---ceramic dishes and glass bottles flying here and there, eventually entering the archaeological record.

archaeologue
April 29th, 2009, 01:40 PM
Below are some photos of Block 21, where the final leg of the northern side of the SRP Subway has just been dug up, after a week of excavations that began from early morning till 10 p.m.

Only half has been excavated with the second half, which I suspect may contain burials, still to be excavated in late May.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/before.jpg

Before excavation.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherd11.jpg

After excavating ca. 2 meters from ground surface.



Some of the colonial period finds (18th-19th c. Chinese and European ceramic sherds, 1930s cantonese planters, 19th c. broken wine and beer bottles, 1920s aerated water bottles , demijohns, terra cotta roof tiles, bricks, piedra chinas, etc.) :



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds1.jpg

Note: The large Zhangzhou kraak ware above was recovered from Block 18 (Malacanang sa Sugbo).




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds4.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds3.jpg


The joke going around was that we probably found a household where a couple was always fighting, with the kitchen bearing the brunt of the domestic chaos---ceramic dishes and glass bottles flying here and there, eventually entering the archaeological record.

AmbutLang
April 29th, 2009, 02:02 PM
Below are some photos of Block 21, where the final leg of the northern side of the SRP Subway has just been dug up, after a week of excavations that began from early morning till 10 p.m.

Only half has been excavated with the second half, which I suspect may contain burials, still to be excavated in late May.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/before.jpg

Some of the colonial period finds (18th-19th c. Chinese and European ceramic sherds, 1930s cantonese planters, 19th c. broken wine and beer bottles, 1920s aerated water bottles , demijohns, terra cotta roof tiles, bricks, piedra chinas, etc.) :

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds1.jpg

Note: The large Zhangzhou kraak ware above was recovered from Block 18 (Malacanang sa Sugbo).

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds4.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds3.jpg

^^Are these shards be assembled like a jigsaw puzzle?

AmbutLang
April 29th, 2009, 02:02 PM
Below are some photos of Block 21, where the final leg of the northern side of the SRP Subway has just been dug up, after a week of excavations that began from early morning till 10 p.m.

Only half has been excavated with the second half, which I suspect may contain burials, still to be excavated in late May.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/before.jpg

Some of the colonial period finds (18th-19th c. Chinese and European ceramic sherds, 1930s cantonese planters, 19th c. broken wine and beer bottles, 1920s aerated water bottles , demijohns, terra cotta roof tiles, bricks, piedra chinas, etc.) :

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds1.jpg

Note: The large Zhangzhou kraak ware above was recovered from Block 18 (Malacanang sa Sugbo).

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds4.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds3.jpg

^^Are these shards be assembled like a jigsaw puzzle?

SleMarKen
April 29th, 2009, 03:33 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/IMG_0696.jpg

SleMarKen
April 29th, 2009, 03:33 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/IMG_0696.jpg

archaeologue
April 29th, 2009, 03:49 PM
^^Are these shards be assembled like a jigsaw puzzle?



no these are all different from each other---or if ever they belong to the same bowl or dish, it would be difficult to piece them together.


by the way, its sherds, not shards...i mean shards are used when referring to broken glass, while sherds are used when referring to broken ceramics.

we have clearly uncovered two centuries of domestic trash at different sections of what used to be a shoreline, much like the way you find small towns using nearshore areas as garbage dumps. well, even Mandaue's Omapad dump today is located near the shores.

archaeologue
April 29th, 2009, 03:49 PM
^^Are these shards be assembled like a jigsaw puzzle?



no these are all different from each other---or if ever they belong to the same bowl or dish, it would be difficult to piece them together.


by the way, its sherds, not shards...i mean shards are used when referring to broken glass, while sherds are used when referring to broken ceramics.

we have clearly uncovered two centuries of domestic trash at different sections of what used to be a shoreline, much like the way you find small towns using nearshore areas as garbage dumps. well, even Mandaue's Omapad dump today is located near the shores.

archaeologue
April 29th, 2009, 03:54 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/IMG_0696.jpg

the retablo looks really beautiful. that's what you get (and more) if you can raise 30 million pesos in no time at all.

now as to the three gentlemen on this photo, well their white Barongs add texture to the gilded background, di ba? :lol:

archaeologue
April 29th, 2009, 03:54 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/IMG_0696.jpg

the retablo looks really beautiful. that's what you get (and more) if you can raise 30 million pesos in no time at all.

now as to the three gentlemen on this photo, well their white Barongs add texture to the gilded background, di ba? :lol:

gee
April 29th, 2009, 08:13 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/IMG_0696.jpg

^^ SSC-Cebu forumers apil diay sa mga VIPs sa celebration ... hehehe


The Diamond Anniversary of Cebu Archdiocese from below

A lot has been written about the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu. Much of what has been written and photographed have focused on the personalities or the large number of those who participated.

What about the views of those who wanted to participate but barred from participating? What about the views of those not high up in the social or political scale who could not even get past the gate to praise the Lord for this celebration?

Very recently, we received an email regarding a devotee’s disappointment about the lack of adequate arrangements for the non-VIPs (very important persons) for the diamond anniversary celebration of the Cebu Archdiocese.

This is the email message:

“I was there as early as 2:30pm but the mass started at 4:30. When I arrived there, the gates (the main and side gates) of the cathedral were closed. When I asked why the gates were closed, I was told that only the ones with ID could get inside the gate.

However, while trying my luck to get inside, I stood at the exit gate. There I saw almost 10 people get in, then in a little, while there were others who followed. My temper rose to the max.

I understand if they required an ID for all but the organizers should have announced this requirement earlier. The only announcement which the Cardinal himself sent through his letter to all parishes was "All masses in the afternoon of the 28th, today, shall be cancelled and all faithful are encouraged to attend the celebration at the cathedral."

I would also understand if not all people could get inside the church itself, but I don't understand why the organizers didn't open the main gates when there were still a lot of space (for the worshippers). Although there were no chairs anymore, I think the people outside the gates (with me) were willing to stand as long as we were allowed to get inside the gates.

It's sad to know that the Diamond Jubilee celebration was not open to everybody. I think the tight security was not only because of the big celebration but because of the presence of GMA!

Dapat sana the ID should have been announced to all parishes so that people could prepare for it. And if they required an ID, then nobody should have been allowed to get inside if one did not have the ID, to be fair to all.“I suspect that the Cathedral people didn't allow the people to squeeze in because the church grounds were newly renovated, the plants were just planted, the fence was newly painted etc...

I heard a member of the pastoral security reprimand three old tired faithful. He told them to stand up because they were seated sa may plant box dahil newly planted pa raw, baka masira.

They were waiting for the gates to be opened, they were tired, they were old, ganyanin ba naman, parang mas importante pa ang plants kay sa tao?

Ewan ko if dahil ba talaga kay Gloria kaya nagkaganoon? If dahil nga kay Gloria Arroyo, ang magaling na Presidente, it was a disgrace for the organizers.

The Diamond jubilee should have been an open celebration because it is a celebration of the whole Church.”

Sadly, so much of religious celebrations have lost their spiritual, sacred meanings. One recalls how the Sanhedrin in the past also became a forum for politics, rather than an assembly of God’s leaders or a representative of God’s people.

This practice of politics mingling with religion or religion mingling with politics has continued up to the present and was evident in the recent Diamond Celebration as noted from one devotee who could not even get inside the gate for this so-called Church celebration.

The importance given to the new plants rather than to the need for a seat of the three old tired devotees perhaps captures the misplaced importance of the diamond celebration, more on the secular rather the sacred meaning of the anniversary?

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=462693&publicationSubCategoryId=109

gee
April 29th, 2009, 08:13 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/IMG_0696.jpg

^^ SSC-Cebu forumers apil diay sa mga VIPs sa celebration ... hehehe


The Diamond Anniversary of Cebu Archdiocese from below

A lot has been written about the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu. Much of what has been written and photographed have focused on the personalities or the large number of those who participated.

What about the views of those who wanted to participate but barred from participating? What about the views of those not high up in the social or political scale who could not even get past the gate to praise the Lord for this celebration?

Very recently, we received an email regarding a devotee’s disappointment about the lack of adequate arrangements for the non-VIPs (very important persons) for the diamond anniversary celebration of the Cebu Archdiocese.

This is the email message:

“I was there as early as 2:30pm but the mass started at 4:30. When I arrived there, the gates (the main and side gates) of the cathedral were closed. When I asked why the gates were closed, I was told that only the ones with ID could get inside the gate.

However, while trying my luck to get inside, I stood at the exit gate. There I saw almost 10 people get in, then in a little, while there were others who followed. My temper rose to the max.

I understand if they required an ID for all but the organizers should have announced this requirement earlier. The only announcement which the Cardinal himself sent through his letter to all parishes was "All masses in the afternoon of the 28th, today, shall be cancelled and all faithful are encouraged to attend the celebration at the cathedral."

I would also understand if not all people could get inside the church itself, but I don't understand why the organizers didn't open the main gates when there were still a lot of space (for the worshippers). Although there were no chairs anymore, I think the people outside the gates (with me) were willing to stand as long as we were allowed to get inside the gates.

It's sad to know that the Diamond Jubilee celebration was not open to everybody. I think the tight security was not only because of the big celebration but because of the presence of GMA!

Dapat sana the ID should have been announced to all parishes so that people could prepare for it. And if they required an ID, then nobody should have been allowed to get inside if one did not have the ID, to be fair to all.“I suspect that the Cathedral people didn't allow the people to squeeze in because the church grounds were newly renovated, the plants were just planted, the fence was newly painted etc...

I heard a member of the pastoral security reprimand three old tired faithful. He told them to stand up because they were seated sa may plant box dahil newly planted pa raw, baka masira.

They were waiting for the gates to be opened, they were tired, they were old, ganyanin ba naman, parang mas importante pa ang plants kay sa tao?

Ewan ko if dahil ba talaga kay Gloria kaya nagkaganoon? If dahil nga kay Gloria Arroyo, ang magaling na Presidente, it was a disgrace for the organizers.

The Diamond jubilee should have been an open celebration because it is a celebration of the whole Church.”

Sadly, so much of religious celebrations have lost their spiritual, sacred meanings. One recalls how the Sanhedrin in the past also became a forum for politics, rather than an assembly of God’s leaders or a representative of God’s people.

This practice of politics mingling with religion or religion mingling with politics has continued up to the present and was evident in the recent Diamond Celebration as noted from one devotee who could not even get inside the gate for this so-called Church celebration.

The importance given to the new plants rather than to the need for a seat of the three old tired devotees perhaps captures the misplaced importance of the diamond celebration, more on the secular rather the sacred meaning of the anniversary?

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=462693&publicationSubCategoryId=109

gee
April 29th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Below are some photos of Block 21, where the final leg of the northern side of the SRP Subway has just been dug up, after a week of excavations that began from early morning till 10 p.m.

Only half has been excavated with the second half, which I suspect may contain burials, still to be excavated in late May.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/before.jpg

Before excavation.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherd11.jpg

After excavating ca. 2 meters from ground surface.



Some of the colonial period finds (18th-19th c. Chinese and European ceramic sherds, 1930s cantonese planters, 19th c. broken wine and beer bottles, 1920s aerated water bottles , demijohns, terra cotta roof tiles, bricks, piedra chinas, etc.) :



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds1.jpg

Note: The large Zhangzhou kraak ware above was recovered from Block 18 (Malacanang sa Sugbo).




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds4.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds3.jpg


The joke going around was that we probably found a household where a couple was always fighting, with the kitchen bearing the brunt of the domestic chaos---ceramic dishes and glass bottles flying here and there, eventually entering the archaeological record.

dili ba luyo man na sa former site sa seminario? basin diha gipanglabay sa mga seminarista nga nagtago-tago ug inom ang mga botelya (sa mompo?).

gee
April 29th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Below are some photos of Block 21, where the final leg of the northern side of the SRP Subway has just been dug up, after a week of excavations that began from early morning till 10 p.m.

Only half has been excavated with the second half, which I suspect may contain burials, still to be excavated in late May.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/before.jpg

Before excavation.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherd11.jpg

After excavating ca. 2 meters from ground surface.



Some of the colonial period finds (18th-19th c. Chinese and European ceramic sherds, 1930s cantonese planters, 19th c. broken wine and beer bottles, 1920s aerated water bottles , demijohns, terra cotta roof tiles, bricks, piedra chinas, etc.) :



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds1.jpg

Note: The large Zhangzhou kraak ware above was recovered from Block 18 (Malacanang sa Sugbo).




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds4.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds3.jpg


The joke going around was that we probably found a household where a couple was always fighting, with the kitchen bearing the brunt of the domestic chaos---ceramic dishes and glass bottles flying here and there, eventually entering the archaeological record.

dili ba luyo man na sa former site sa seminario? basin diha gipanglabay sa mga seminarista nga nagtago-tago ug inom ang mga botelya (sa mompo?).

goleyson
April 29th, 2009, 11:45 PM
To the e-mail sender, I feel for you. I myself calls the church elitist. Don't be disappointed if you didn't get bowled over. Find consolation instead that you went there with pure intentions and no vested interest. God loves each of us as if there were only one of us says St. Augustine. He is fair to all and we are all His VIPs. He knows what is in each and everyone's heart on that day. And for sure He loves you, those 3 old tired faithfuls and all those who braved the weather outside more than the plants at the cathedral grounds.



^^ SSC-Cebu forumers apil diay sa mga VIPs sa celebration ... hehehe


The Diamond Anniversary of Cebu Archdiocese from below

A lot has been written about the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu. Much of what has been written and photographed have focused on the personalities or the large number of those who participated.

What about the views of those who wanted to participate but barred from participating? What about the views of those not high up in the social or political scale who could not even get past the gate to praise the Lord for this celebration?

Very recently, we received an email regarding a devotee’s disappointment about the lack of adequate arrangements for the non-VIPs (very important persons) for the diamond anniversary celebration of the Cebu Archdiocese.

This is the email message:

“I was there as early as 2:30pm but the mass started at 4:30. When I arrived there, the gates (the main and side gates) of the cathedral were closed. When I asked why the gates were closed, I was told that only the ones with ID could get inside the gate.

However, while trying my luck to get inside, I stood at the exit gate. There I saw almost 10 people get in, then in a little, while there were others who followed. My temper rose to the max.

I understand if they required an ID for all but the organizers should have announced this requirement earlier. The only announcement which the Cardinal himself sent through his letter to all parishes was "All masses in the afternoon of the 28th, today, shall be cancelled and all faithful are encouraged to attend the celebration at the cathedral."

I would also understand if not all people could get inside the church itself, but I don't understand why the organizers didn't open the main gates when there were still a lot of space (for the worshippers). Although there were no chairs anymore, I think the people outside the gates (with me) were willing to stand as long as we were allowed to get inside the gates.

It's sad to know that the Diamond Jubilee celebration was not open to everybody. I think the tight security was not only because of the big celebration but because of the presence of GMA!

Dapat sana the ID should have been announced to all parishes so that people could prepare for it. And if they required an ID, then nobody should have been allowed to get inside if one did not have the ID, to be fair to all.“I suspect that the Cathedral people didn't allow the people to squeeze in because the church grounds were newly renovated, the plants were just planted, the fence was newly painted etc...

I heard a member of the pastoral security reprimand three old tired faithful. He told them to stand up because they were seated sa may plant box dahil newly planted pa raw, baka masira.

They were waiting for the gates to be opened, they were tired, they were old, ganyanin ba naman, parang mas importante pa ang plants kay sa tao?

Ewan ko if dahil ba talaga kay Gloria kaya nagkaganoon? If dahil nga kay Gloria Arroyo, ang magaling na Presidente, it was a disgrace for the organizers.

The Diamond jubilee should have been an open celebration because it is a celebration of the whole Church.”

Sadly, so much of religious celebrations have lost their spiritual, sacred meanings. One recalls how the Sanhedrin in the past also became a forum for politics, rather than an assembly of God’s leaders or a representative of God’s people.

This practice of politics mingling with religion or religion mingling with politics has continued up to the present and was evident in the recent Diamond Celebration as noted from one devotee who could not even get inside the gate for this so-called Church celebration.

The importance given to the new plants rather than to the need for a seat of the three old tired devotees perhaps captures the misplaced importance of the diamond celebration, more on the secular rather the sacred meaning of the anniversary?

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=462693&publicationSubCategoryId=109

goleyson
April 29th, 2009, 11:45 PM
To the e-mail sender, I feel for you. I myself calls the church elitist. Don't be disappointed if you didn't get bowled over. Find consolation instead that you went there with pure intentions and no vested interest. God loves each of us as if there were only one of us says St. Augustine. He is fair to all and we are all His VIPs. He knows what is in each and everyone's heart on that day. And for sure He loves you, those 3 old tired faithfuls and all those who braved the weather outside more than the plants at the cathedral grounds.



^^ SSC-Cebu forumers apil diay sa mga VIPs sa celebration ... hehehe


The Diamond Anniversary of Cebu Archdiocese from below

A lot has been written about the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu. Much of what has been written and photographed have focused on the personalities or the large number of those who participated.

What about the views of those who wanted to participate but barred from participating? What about the views of those not high up in the social or political scale who could not even get past the gate to praise the Lord for this celebration?

Very recently, we received an email regarding a devotee’s disappointment about the lack of adequate arrangements for the non-VIPs (very important persons) for the diamond anniversary celebration of the Cebu Archdiocese.

This is the email message:

“I was there as early as 2:30pm but the mass started at 4:30. When I arrived there, the gates (the main and side gates) of the cathedral were closed. When I asked why the gates were closed, I was told that only the ones with ID could get inside the gate.

However, while trying my luck to get inside, I stood at the exit gate. There I saw almost 10 people get in, then in a little, while there were others who followed. My temper rose to the max.

I understand if they required an ID for all but the organizers should have announced this requirement earlier. The only announcement which the Cardinal himself sent through his letter to all parishes was "All masses in the afternoon of the 28th, today, shall be cancelled and all faithful are encouraged to attend the celebration at the cathedral."

I would also understand if not all people could get inside the church itself, but I don't understand why the organizers didn't open the main gates when there were still a lot of space (for the worshippers). Although there were no chairs anymore, I think the people outside the gates (with me) were willing to stand as long as we were allowed to get inside the gates.

It's sad to know that the Diamond Jubilee celebration was not open to everybody. I think the tight security was not only because of the big celebration but because of the presence of GMA!

Dapat sana the ID should have been announced to all parishes so that people could prepare for it. And if they required an ID, then nobody should have been allowed to get inside if one did not have the ID, to be fair to all.“I suspect that the Cathedral people didn't allow the people to squeeze in because the church grounds were newly renovated, the plants were just planted, the fence was newly painted etc...

I heard a member of the pastoral security reprimand three old tired faithful. He told them to stand up because they were seated sa may plant box dahil newly planted pa raw, baka masira.

They were waiting for the gates to be opened, they were tired, they were old, ganyanin ba naman, parang mas importante pa ang plants kay sa tao?

Ewan ko if dahil ba talaga kay Gloria kaya nagkaganoon? If dahil nga kay Gloria Arroyo, ang magaling na Presidente, it was a disgrace for the organizers.

The Diamond jubilee should have been an open celebration because it is a celebration of the whole Church.”

Sadly, so much of religious celebrations have lost their spiritual, sacred meanings. One recalls how the Sanhedrin in the past also became a forum for politics, rather than an assembly of God’s leaders or a representative of God’s people.

This practice of politics mingling with religion or religion mingling with politics has continued up to the present and was evident in the recent Diamond Celebration as noted from one devotee who could not even get inside the gate for this so-called Church celebration.

The importance given to the new plants rather than to the need for a seat of the three old tired devotees perhaps captures the misplaced importance of the diamond celebration, more on the secular rather the sacred meaning of the anniversary?

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=462693&publicationSubCategoryId=109

archaeologue
April 30th, 2009, 01:18 AM
dili ba luyo man na sa former site sa seminario? basin diha gipanglabay sa mga seminarista nga nagtago-tago ug inom ang mga botelya (sa mompo?).

yes. that is very possible and probable.

:cheers:

archaeologue
April 30th, 2009, 01:18 AM
dili ba luyo man na sa former site sa seminario? basin diha gipanglabay sa mga seminarista nga nagtago-tago ug inom ang mga botelya (sa mompo?).

yes. that is very possible and probable.

:cheers:

LordCarnal
April 30th, 2009, 06:40 AM
I somehow agree with the article. But anyway, I think the organizers still had a point in limiting access inside the cathedral. Just imagine the risk of a stampede if millions of people will go inside. We also have to consider the security of the president.

Whether we like or not, PGMA as the president of the Philippines is always at risk of getting shot or the cathedral getting bombed.

Anyway, I'm hoping that the organizers will organize more events related to the 75th anniversary that will be open to the people. After all, the 75th anniversary celebrations run for one year and not just during the mass of April 28.

I was hoping that there would be a parade of floats or something from the Capitol to downtown, or something like that nga makit-an jud sa mga tao and not just a few.

LordCarnal
April 30th, 2009, 06:40 AM
I somehow agree with the article. But anyway, I think the organizers still had a point in limiting access inside the cathedral. Just imagine the risk of a stampede if millions of people will go inside. We also have to consider the security of the president.

Whether we like or not, PGMA as the president of the Philippines is always at risk of getting shot or the cathedral getting bombed.

Anyway, I'm hoping that the organizers will organize more events related to the 75th anniversary that will be open to the people. After all, the 75th anniversary celebrations run for one year and not just during the mass of April 28.

I was hoping that there would be a parade of floats or something from the Capitol to downtown, or something like that nga makit-an jud sa mga tao and not just a few.

AmbutLang
April 30th, 2009, 07:05 AM
no these are all different from each other---or if ever they belong to the same bowl or dish, it would be difficult to piece them together.


by the way, its sherds, not shards...i mean shards are used when referring to broken glass, while sherds are used when referring to broken ceramics.

we have clearly uncovered two centuries of domestic trash at different sections of what used to be a shoreline, much like the way you find small towns using nearshore areas as garbage dumps. well, even Mandaue's Omapad dump today is located near the shores.

Thanks for the correction.

Do you carbon date test some ceramics to get the close proximate of the year?

AmbutLang
April 30th, 2009, 07:05 AM
no these are all different from each other---or if ever they belong to the same bowl or dish, it would be difficult to piece them together.


by the way, its sherds, not shards...i mean shards are used when referring to broken glass, while sherds are used when referring to broken ceramics.

we have clearly uncovered two centuries of domestic trash at different sections of what used to be a shoreline, much like the way you find small towns using nearshore areas as garbage dumps. well, even Mandaue's Omapad dump today is located near the shores.

Thanks for the correction.

Do you carbon date test some ceramics to get the close proximate of the year?

Taga Bogo
April 30th, 2009, 07:34 AM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds4.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds3.jpg


The joke going around was that we probably found a household where a couple was always fighting, with the kitchen bearing the brunt of the domestic chaos---ceramic dishes and glass bottles flying here and there, eventually entering the archaeological record.

so if one can find plenty of small bits of these broken pottery on surface soil, does this mean that there is a possibility that there may be more underneath waiting...

Taga Bogo
April 30th, 2009, 07:34 AM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds4.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sherds3.jpg


The joke going around was that we probably found a household where a couple was always fighting, with the kitchen bearing the brunt of the domestic chaos---ceramic dishes and glass bottles flying here and there, eventually entering the archaeological record.

so if one can find plenty of small bits of these broken pottery on surface soil, does this mean that there is a possibility that there may be more underneath waiting...

Taga Bogo
April 30th, 2009, 07:39 AM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/IMG_0696.jpg

Did not know there were nang rampa na mga gwapong models didto sa simbahan adtong adlawa :) Can only identify LordCarnal, nice ta kong naay captions.

Taga Bogo
April 30th, 2009, 07:39 AM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/MarkiiBoi4/IMG_0696.jpg

Did not know there were nang rampa na mga gwapong models didto sa simbahan adtong adlawa :) Can only identify LordCarnal, nice ta kong naay captions.

archaeologue
April 30th, 2009, 11:53 AM
so if one can find plenty of small bits of these broken pottery on surface soil, does this mean that there is a possibility that there may be more underneath waiting...

it depends, Boy, on the location. if it is in the outskirts of the poblacions or in rural areas and no one remembers since time immemorial if naa bay nangalot diha before, then yes.

but oftentimes the appearance of sherds and shells on the surface in rural areas, in my experience, is a sign that the place had been looted in the past. all that is to be done to confirm this is to ask the oldest person around about this.

archaeologue
April 30th, 2009, 11:53 AM
so if one can find plenty of small bits of these broken pottery on surface soil, does this mean that there is a possibility that there may be more underneath waiting...

it depends, Boy, on the location. if it is in the outskirts of the poblacions or in rural areas and no one remembers since time immemorial if naa bay nangalot diha before, then yes.

but oftentimes the appearance of sherds and shells on the surface in rural areas, in my experience, is a sign that the place had been looted in the past. all that is to be done to confirm this is to ask the oldest person around about this.

radical_zeitgeist
April 30th, 2009, 12:52 PM
back in january 2004, when i ended up in some really secluded (on the outskirts of the few remaining virgin forests) mountain baranggay in santa catalina, negros oriental, a farmer once told me that he dug up an old clay pottery with some strange patterns on it. i told him it could've been a prehispanic artifact or 'mga butang sa mga karaang taw' as i told him. sadly because he used a sharp object to dig the earth, the jar broke. He was digging a shallow well for drinking water just a few meters from a small river, or the sort of space between the river and his rice field. i told him to bring me to the place and right just beside the shallow well (about 3 feet deep), i saw the broken pieces of clay pottery with white patterns and marks all over. i took a sherd home, but i lost it since i went to the united states for the next 4 years. but i suspect that if there could be archaeological excavations in that area, i guess it would yield more artifacts.

radical_zeitgeist
April 30th, 2009, 12:52 PM
back in january 2004, when i ended up in some really secluded (on the outskirts of the few remaining virgin forests) mountain baranggay in santa catalina, negros oriental, a farmer once told me that he dug up an old clay pottery with some strange patterns on it. i told him it could've been a prehispanic artifact or 'mga butang sa mga karaang taw' as i told him. sadly because he used a sharp object to dig the earth, the jar broke. He was digging a shallow well for drinking water just a few meters from a small river, or the sort of space between the river and his rice field. i told him to bring me to the place and right just beside the shallow well (about 3 feet deep), i saw the broken pieces of clay pottery with white patterns and marks all over. i took a sherd home, but i lost it since i went to the united states for the next 4 years. but i suspect that if there could be archaeological excavations in that area, i guess it would yield more artifacts.

archaeologue
April 30th, 2009, 01:07 PM
^^ ^^

Indeed! There could be more of that and since you did not mention having found any Asian tradeware ceramics, then the site could be of the Phil. Metal Age. For want of a term, this is what archaeologists use to refer to the period between 1,000 BCE and 900 CE or the period before long-distance trade networks brought the archipelago in the orbit of Chinese and Arab trading.

archaeologue
April 30th, 2009, 01:07 PM
^^ ^^

Indeed! There could be more of that and since you did not mention having found any Asian tradeware ceramics, then the site could be of the Phil. Metal Age. For want of a term, this is what archaeologists use to refer to the period between 1,000 BCE and 900 CE or the period before long-distance trade networks brought the archipelago in the orbit of Chinese and Arab trading.

archaeologue
April 30th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Thanks for the correction.

Do you carbon date test some ceramics to get the close proximate of the year?

not the ceramics. it's the human bone samples we send to Univ. of Arizona Accelerated Mass Spectrometry Lab for AMS dating if funds are available. but since we have not found any burials here yet, we will not send any.

also, these sherds are too well within the restrictive 300-year period to the present, making them too recent to be a reliable source of good absolute dating. you see, the error increases manifold if the material is believed to be dated to near the present.

moreover, it would be useless especially since we are familiar with the designs on some of these sherds and the period in which these were made, which would be around late 1700s or early 1800s to 1920s.

archaeologue
April 30th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Thanks for the correction.

Do you carbon date test some ceramics to get the close proximate of the year?

not the ceramics. it's the human bone samples we send to Univ. of Arizona Accelerated Mass Spectrometry Lab for AMS dating if funds are available. but since we have not found any burials here yet, we will not send any.

also, these sherds are too well within the restrictive 300-year period to the present, making them too recent to be a reliable source of good absolute dating. you see, the error increases manifold if the material is believed to be dated to near the present.

moreover, it would be useless especially since we are familiar with the designs on some of these sherds and the period in which these were made, which would be around late 1700s or early 1800s to 1920s.

sanvalente
April 30th, 2009, 02:40 PM
To the e-mail sender, I feel for you. I myself calls the church elitist. Don't be disappointed if you didn't get bowled over. Find consolation instead that you went there with pure intentions and no vested interest. God loves each of us as if there were only one of us says St. Augustine. He is fair to all and we are all His VIPs. He knows what is in each and everyone's heart on that day. And for sure He loves you, those 3 old tired faithfuls and all those who braved the weather outside more than the plants at the cathedral grounds.

@goleyson - i have nothing more to say... you said it all...

sanvalente
April 30th, 2009, 02:40 PM
To the e-mail sender, I feel for you. I myself calls the church elitist. Don't be disappointed if you didn't get bowled over. Find consolation instead that you went there with pure intentions and no vested interest. God loves each of us as if there were only one of us says St. Augustine. He is fair to all and we are all His VIPs. He knows what is in each and everyone's heart on that day. And for sure He loves you, those 3 old tired faithfuls and all those who braved the weather outside more than the plants at the cathedral grounds.

@goleyson - i have nothing more to say... you said it all...

Ang_Bantayanon
April 30th, 2009, 03:36 PM
@goleyson - i have nothing more to say... you said it all...

The celebration was elitist. Samot na pag-adto sa CICC. Wala ko mopalit og ticket (kay mahal) but I was given one by a friend (not connected with the church), mao nakataak ko didto.

Dinner was ok though but after helping myself with three servings of buko pandan, we went to the see the entertainment prepared by some priests and lay individuals. The program was consist of the usual song and dance but what irked me was the fashion show entitled Vestidas para Misa, Vestidas para Cofradia, etc.. I thought it was only me but some people also had the same reaction. It certainly raised several eyebrows. Mao ra gyud toy naabot sa mga kaparian og layko nga nag-organisar adto intawn.

Ang mga pobre tawn atong higayona, didto ra sa kilid sa Katedral nangatulog nga gakutoy ang tiyan ug walay kapasilongan sa maulanon nga kagabhion. Paeta tawn.

The only only thing I liked was the short documentary (some segments) on the archdiocese which was proudly narrated by a Bantayanon, (ahem :banana:) Sam Despi.

Ang_Bantayanon
April 30th, 2009, 03:36 PM
@goleyson - i have nothing more to say... you said it all...

The celebration was elitist. Samot na pag-adto sa CICC. Wala ko mopalit og ticket (kay mahal) but I was given one by a friend (not connected with the church), mao nakataak ko didto.

Dinner was ok though but after helping myself with three servings of buko pandan, we went to the see the entertainment prepared by some priests and lay individuals. The program was consist of the usual song and dance but what irked me was the fashion show entitled Vestidas para Misa, Vestidas para Cofradia, etc.. I thought it was only me but some people also had the same reaction. It certainly raised several eyebrows. Mao ra gyud toy naabot sa mga kaparian og layko nga nag-organisar adto intawn.

Ang mga pobre tawn atong higayona, didto ra sa kilid sa Katedral nangatulog nga gakutoy ang tiyan ug walay kapasilongan sa maulanon nga kagabhion. Paeta tawn.

The only only thing I liked was the short documentary (some segments) on the archdiocese which was proudly narrated by a Bantayanon, (ahem :banana:) Sam Despi.

gee
April 30th, 2009, 04:02 PM
The celebration was elitist. Samot na pag-adto sa CICC. Wala ko mopalit og ticket (kay mahal) but I was given one by a friend (not connected with the church), mao nakataak ko didto.

Dinner was ok though but after helping myself with three servings of buko pandan, we went to the see the entertainment prepared by some priests and lay individuals. The program was consist of the usual song and dance but what irked me was the fashion show entitled Vestidas para Misa, Vestidas para Cofradia, etc.. I thought it was only me but some people also had the same reaction. It certainly raised several eyebrows. Mao ra gyud toy naabot sa mga kaparian og layko nga nag-organisar adto intawn.

Ang mga pobre tawn atong higayona, didto ra sa kilid sa Katedral nangatulog nga gakutoy ang tiyan ug walay kapasilongan sa maulanon nga kagabhion. Paeta tawn.

The only only thing I liked was the short documentary (some segments) on the archdiocese which was proudly narrated by a Bantayanon, (ahem :banana:) Sam Despi.

mao man kuno nay gitawag ug "sign of the times" :bash: sus, kung ang ilang gigasto atong ilang selebrasyon maoy ilang gigamit alang sa pagpublish ug libro bahin sa kasaysayan sa diocese, mas mapuslanon pa tingali alang sa future generation ... btw, kinsay designer? si Gang Gomez (aka Dom Martin de Jesus Gomez OSB)?

gee
April 30th, 2009, 04:02 PM
The celebration was elitist. Samot na pag-adto sa CICC. Wala ko mopalit og ticket (kay mahal) but I was given one by a friend (not connected with the church), mao nakataak ko didto.

Dinner was ok though but after helping myself with three servings of buko pandan, we went to the see the entertainment prepared by some priests and lay individuals. The program was consist of the usual song and dance but what irked me was the fashion show entitled Vestidas para Misa, Vestidas para Cofradia, etc.. I thought it was only me but some people also had the same reaction. It certainly raised several eyebrows. Mao ra gyud toy naabot sa mga kaparian og layko nga nag-organisar adto intawn.

Ang mga pobre tawn atong higayona, didto ra sa kilid sa Katedral nangatulog nga gakutoy ang tiyan ug walay kapasilongan sa maulanon nga kagabhion. Paeta tawn.

The only only thing I liked was the short documentary (some segments) on the archdiocese which was proudly narrated by a Bantayanon, (ahem :banana:) Sam Despi.

mao man kuno nay gitawag ug "sign of the times" :bash: sus, kung ang ilang gigasto atong ilang selebrasyon maoy ilang gigamit alang sa pagpublish ug libro bahin sa kasaysayan sa diocese, mas mapuslanon pa tingali alang sa future generation ... btw, kinsay designer? si Gang Gomez (aka Dom Martin de Jesus Gomez OSB)?

Ang_Bantayanon
April 30th, 2009, 04:11 PM
Di man siguro si Gang Gomez padre. Ang nirampa kay pamilya sa ni-donate sa bag-ong retablo sa Katedral.

The celebration including the dinner and fashion show would be a fleeting one but the book will help people remember in the future that something worthy was done during the jubilee celebration.

Ang_Bantayanon
April 30th, 2009, 04:11 PM
Di man siguro si Gang Gomez padre. Ang nirampa kay pamilya sa ni-donate sa bag-ong retablo sa Katedral.

The celebration including the dinner and fashion show would be a fleeting one but the book will help people remember in the future that something worthy was done during the jubilee celebration.

archaeologue
April 30th, 2009, 05:51 PM
mao man kuno nay gitawag ug "sign of the times" :bash: sus, kung ang ilang gigasto atong ilang selebrasyon maoy ilang gigamit alang sa pagpublish ug libro bahin sa kasaysayan sa diocese, mas mapuslanon pa tingali alang sa future generation ... btw, kinsay designer? si Gang Gomez (aka Dom Martin de Jesus Gomez OSB)?

sus nadayon gyud diay ang fahion show?

maayo na lang ni-atake ang akong fieldwork illness a.k.a. amoebasis...

if wa pa to, mag-diarrhea lang diay gihapon unta ko hahahah!



http://archaeologue.wordpress.com/

archaeologue
April 30th, 2009, 05:51 PM
mao man kuno nay gitawag ug "sign of the times" :bash: sus, kung ang ilang gigasto atong ilang selebrasyon maoy ilang gigamit alang sa pagpublish ug libro bahin sa kasaysayan sa diocese, mas mapuslanon pa tingali alang sa future generation ... btw, kinsay designer? si Gang Gomez (aka Dom Martin de Jesus Gomez OSB)?

sus nadayon gyud diay ang fahion show?

maayo na lang ni-atake ang akong fieldwork illness a.k.a. amoebasis...

if wa pa to, mag-diarrhea lang diay gihapon unta ko hahahah!



http://archaeologue.wordpress.com/

goleyson
April 30th, 2009, 11:30 PM
naneguro ra ang simbahan.. not all people would be interested sa book and di ra matagad kung kinsa ang sponsor.. unlike the retablos, well its there and it catch everyones attention and for sure they'll ask kinsay ga donate etc. mas ma acknowledge ang donors and of course ma encourage to donate and donate.

sa laing bahin, the best part of the celebration for me was the carillion. hehe

mao man kuno nay gitawag ug "sign of the times" :bash: sus, kung ang ilang gigasto atong ilang selebrasyon maoy ilang gigamit alang sa pagpublish ug libro bahin sa kasaysayan sa diocese, mas mapuslanon pa tingali alang sa future generation ... btw, kinsay designer? si Gang Gomez (aka Dom Martin de Jesus Gomez OSB)?

goleyson
April 30th, 2009, 11:30 PM
naneguro ra ang simbahan.. not all people would be interested sa book and di ra matagad kung kinsa ang sponsor.. unlike the retablos, well its there and it catch everyones attention and for sure they'll ask kinsay ga donate etc. mas ma acknowledge ang donors and of course ma encourage to donate and donate.

sa laing bahin, the best part of the celebration for me was the carillion. hehe

mao man kuno nay gitawag ug "sign of the times" :bash: sus, kung ang ilang gigasto atong ilang selebrasyon maoy ilang gigamit alang sa pagpublish ug libro bahin sa kasaysayan sa diocese, mas mapuslanon pa tingali alang sa future generation ... btw, kinsay designer? si Gang Gomez (aka Dom Martin de Jesus Gomez OSB)?

goleyson
April 30th, 2009, 11:47 PM
I somehow agree with the article. But anyway, I think the organizers still had a point in limiting access inside the cathedral. Just imagine the risk of a stampede if millions of people will go inside. We also have to consider the security of the president.

Whether we like or not, PGMA as the president of the Philippines is always at risk of getting shot or the cathedral getting bombed.

Anyway, I'm hoping that the organizers will organize more events related to the 75th anniversary that will be open to the people. After all, the 75th anniversary celebrations run for one year and not just during the mass of April 28.

I was hoping that there would be a parade of floats or something from the Capitol to downtown, or something like that nga makit-an jud sa mga tao and not just a few.

a procession perhaps of all the parishes' patron saints. similar to manila's marian procession. bisan sa closing nalang sa jubillee..

goleyson
April 30th, 2009, 11:47 PM
I somehow agree with the article. But anyway, I think the organizers still had a point in limiting access inside the cathedral. Just imagine the risk of a stampede if millions of people will go inside. We also have to consider the security of the president.

Whether we like or not, PGMA as the president of the Philippines is always at risk of getting shot or the cathedral getting bombed.

Anyway, I'm hoping that the organizers will organize more events related to the 75th anniversary that will be open to the people. After all, the 75th anniversary celebrations run for one year and not just during the mass of April 28.

I was hoping that there would be a parade of floats or something from the Capitol to downtown, or something like that nga makit-an jud sa mga tao and not just a few.

a procession perhaps of all the parishes' patron saints. similar to manila's marian procession. bisan sa closing nalang sa jubillee..

LordCarnal
April 30th, 2009, 11:52 PM
sus nadayon gyud diay ang fahion show?

maayo na lang ni-atake ang akong fieldwork illness a.k.a. amoebasis...

if wa pa to, mag-diarrhea lang diay gihapon unta ko hahahah!



http://archaeologue.wordpress.com/

Nakabasa ko sa imong blog, nindot kaau, documenting archaeology in Cebu :okay:

LordCarnal
April 30th, 2009, 11:52 PM
sus nadayon gyud diay ang fahion show?

maayo na lang ni-atake ang akong fieldwork illness a.k.a. amoebasis...

if wa pa to, mag-diarrhea lang diay gihapon unta ko hahahah!



http://archaeologue.wordpress.com/

Nakabasa ko sa imong blog, nindot kaau, documenting archaeology in Cebu :okay:

archaeologue
May 1st, 2009, 02:34 AM
a procession perhaps of all the parishes' patron saints. similar to manila's marian procession. bisan sa closing nalang sa jubillee..

that's what we actually proposed (Trizer and I) but since wa man mi labot sa planning ana, wa mi'y mahimo kung di mag-diarrhea sa kasubo...

:bash:

archaeologue
May 1st, 2009, 02:34 AM
a procession perhaps of all the parishes' patron saints. similar to manila's marian procession. bisan sa closing nalang sa jubillee..

that's what we actually proposed (Trizer and I) but since wa man mi labot sa planning ana, wa mi'y mahimo kung di mag-diarrhea sa kasubo...

:bash:

archaeologue
May 1st, 2009, 02:35 AM
Nakabasa ko sa imong blog, nindot kaau, documenting archaeology in Cebu :okay:


thanks....dugay na kaau na nga blog but karon pa gyud ko nakapasulod og articles....paet. :nuts:



http://archaeologue.wordpress.com/

archaeologue
May 1st, 2009, 02:35 AM
Nakabasa ko sa imong blog, nindot kaau, documenting archaeology in Cebu :okay:


thanks....dugay na kaau na nga blog but karon pa gyud ko nakapasulod og articles....paet. :nuts:



http://archaeologue.wordpress.com/

AmbutLang
May 1st, 2009, 04:22 AM
that's what we actually proposed (Trizer and I) but since wa man mi labot sa planning ana, wa mi'y mahimo kung di mag-diarrhea sa kasubo...

:bash:

Unsaon man pogi points. Wala man gagigan sa ila ang plano ug idea :ohno: :bash:

AmbutLang
May 1st, 2009, 04:22 AM
that's what we actually proposed (Trizer and I) but since wa man mi labot sa planning ana, wa mi'y mahimo kung di mag-diarrhea sa kasubo...

:bash:

Unsaon man pogi points. Wala man gagigan sa ila ang plano ug idea :ohno: :bash:

Taga Bogo
May 1st, 2009, 07:18 AM
it depends, Boy, on the location. if it is in the outskirts of the poblacions or in rural areas and no one remembers since time immemorial if naa bay nangalot diha before, then yes.

but oftentimes the appearance of sherds and shells on the surface in rural areas, in my experience, is a sign that the place had been looted in the past. all that is to be done to confirm this is to ask the oldest person around about this.

thanks for the info Jo, na pa claro lang kay naa man gud ni niadto didto sa among bay sa Bogo, diin tapad ni sa gi-ingon nila na diin ang original simbahan sa Bogo (lawn sa atoa ron). Ako na ning sugdan ug pakawt basin naa pay ma looted nahabilin para may looted sad ko :).

Taga Bogo
May 1st, 2009, 07:18 AM
it depends, Boy, on the location. if it is in the outskirts of the poblacions or in rural areas and no one remembers since time immemorial if naa bay nangalot diha before, then yes.

but oftentimes the appearance of sherds and shells on the surface in rural areas, in my experience, is a sign that the place had been looted in the past. all that is to be done to confirm this is to ask the oldest person around about this.

thanks for the info Jo, na pa claro lang kay naa man gud ni niadto didto sa among bay sa Bogo, diin tapad ni sa gi-ingon nila na diin ang original simbahan sa Bogo (lawn sa atoa ron). Ako na ning sugdan ug pakawt basin naa pay ma looted nahabilin para may looted sad ko :).

archaeologue
May 1st, 2009, 08:33 AM
thanks for the info Jo, na pa claro lang kay naa man gud ni niadto didto sa among bay sa Bogo, diin tapad ni sa gi-ingon nila na diin ang original simbahan sa Bogo (lawn sa atoa ron). Ako na ning sugdan ug pakawt basin naa pay ma looted nahabilin para may looted sad ko :).

Boy, although it is your personal property, if any artifacts are found, you are duty bound to report this to the nearest deputized archaeologist: me. hahaha.

sige tell me what you find ha. then we can organize a team to investigate pod later if ever you find some evidence of burials or habitation.

archaeologue
May 1st, 2009, 08:33 AM
thanks for the info Jo, na pa claro lang kay naa man gud ni niadto didto sa among bay sa Bogo, diin tapad ni sa gi-ingon nila na diin ang original simbahan sa Bogo (lawn sa atoa ron). Ako na ning sugdan ug pakawt basin naa pay ma looted nahabilin para may looted sad ko :).

Boy, although it is your personal property, if any artifacts are found, you are duty bound to report this to the nearest deputized archaeologist: me. hahaha.

sige tell me what you find ha. then we can organize a team to investigate pod later if ever you find some evidence of burials or habitation.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:09 PM
@goleyson - i have nothing more to say... you said it all...

I will say AMEN to that too.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:09 PM
@goleyson - i have nothing more to say... you said it all...

I will say AMEN to that too.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:14 PM
mao man kuno nay gitawag ug "sign of the times" :bash: sus, kung ang ilang gigasto atong ilang selebrasyon maoy ilang gigamit alang sa pagpublish ug libro bahin sa kasaysayan sa diocese, mas mapuslanon pa tingali alang sa future generation ... btw, kinsay designer? si Gang Gomez (aka Dom Martin de Jesus Gomez OSB)?

Ayaw intawn pangangil sa mga walay labot!:ohno: Nag hilom-hilom baya intawn si Dom Martin didto sa Malaybalay. Maayo pa siya, nagbuhat ug coffee table book about vestments.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:14 PM
mao man kuno nay gitawag ug "sign of the times" :bash: sus, kung ang ilang gigasto atong ilang selebrasyon maoy ilang gigamit alang sa pagpublish ug libro bahin sa kasaysayan sa diocese, mas mapuslanon pa tingali alang sa future generation ... btw, kinsay designer? si Gang Gomez (aka Dom Martin de Jesus Gomez OSB)?

Ayaw intawn pangangil sa mga walay labot!:ohno: Nag hilom-hilom baya intawn si Dom Martin didto sa Malaybalay. Maayo pa siya, nagbuhat ug coffee table book about vestments.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:20 PM
sus nadayon gyud diay ang fahion show?

maayo na lang ni-atake ang akong fieldwork illness a.k.a. amoebasis...

if wa pa to, mag-diarrhea lang diay gihapon unta ko hahahah!



http://archaeologue.wordpress.com/

Adto lang baya unta ta sa Museum, Jo. I didn't see the show either. Msgr.Pono insisted I go to CICC and it seemed so ungracious not to go with them after all the trouble they had to go through to anable me to go there. But I left before the show started because i was too spent from the whole afternoon's activity in the museum.

Maayo pa mutabang na lang mig kawot diha sa tunnel!

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:20 PM
sus nadayon gyud diay ang fahion show?

maayo na lang ni-atake ang akong fieldwork illness a.k.a. amoebasis...

if wa pa to, mag-diarrhea lang diay gihapon unta ko hahahah!



http://archaeologue.wordpress.com/

Adto lang baya unta ta sa Museum, Jo. I didn't see the show either. Msgr.Pono insisted I go to CICC and it seemed so ungracious not to go with them after all the trouble they had to go through to anable me to go there. But I left before the show started because i was too spent from the whole afternoon's activity in the museum.

Maayo pa mutabang na lang mig kawot diha sa tunnel!

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:24 PM
a procession perhaps of all the parishes' patron saints. similar to manila's marian procession. bisan sa closing nalang sa jubillee..

I really hope somebody sees the light and this will be done!:fiddle:

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:24 PM
a procession perhaps of all the parishes' patron saints. similar to manila's marian procession. bisan sa closing nalang sa jubillee..

I really hope somebody sees the light and this will be done!:fiddle:

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:30 PM
that's what we actually proposed (Trizer and I) but since wa man mi labot sa planning ana, wa mi'y mahimo kung di mag-diarrhea sa kasubo...

:bash:

Actually, we were never consulted. Fait accompli naman to pag present sa ato. Sakto ka gyud, mag collective diarrhea sa kasubo tang tanan.:bash::dunno::nono::fiddle::gaah::mad::omg::wallbash::grouphug:

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:30 PM
that's what we actually proposed (Trizer and I) but since wa man mi labot sa planning ana, wa mi'y mahimo kung di mag-diarrhea sa kasubo...

:bash:

Actually, we were never consulted. Fait accompli naman to pag present sa ato. Sakto ka gyud, mag collective diarrhea sa kasubo tang tanan.:bash::dunno::nono::fiddle::gaah::mad::omg::wallbash::grouphug:

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:35 PM
Oh, Pinoy Ako. It's a hortensia flower then. :D

http://www.valdeorras.com/natural/data/media/4/Hortensia.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrangea

This is not a Passion fruit flower. This is a hydrangea which is popularly known as Milflores. The Passionfruit flower is very different from this one. This is also not a Hortensia.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 1st, 2009, 05:35 PM
Oh, Pinoy Ako. It's a hortensia flower then. :D

http://www.valdeorras.com/natural/data/media/4/Hortensia.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrangea

This is not a Passion fruit flower. This is a hydrangea which is popularly known as Milflores. The Passionfruit flower is very different from this one. This is also not a Hortensia.

Taga Bogo
May 1st, 2009, 08:40 PM
Boy, although it is your personal property, if any artifacts are found, you are duty bound to report this to the nearest deputized archaeologist: me. hahaha.

sige tell me what you find ha. then we can organize a team to investigate pod later if ever you find some evidence of burials or habitation.

dili ko mag tuga tuga uy :) dili ko khibaw anang evidence of burials or habitation :) Gawas pa daghan kog kontra sa among pamilya kung gub-on ang lawn labi na hinangat na ang pesta. Bitaw, the lot was mentioned by a Guiagonia literature as the place where the first Bogo church was located. Gamay pa ko kaayo napalit na sa akong ginikanan sa mga heredero sa katsilang Balbin ang apilyedo, diha pa to niadto ang ilang bay. Niadto akong mama daghan kaayong libro sa karaang bay gipasonog kay naa konoy tesis ang mga tiguwang katsila (hastang anogona). I could not say kung naa bay digging before the 1900s pero as far as I know wa most of the 1900s.

Ipa sekreto lang unya nakog bugwal ug marik ang yuta inig human sa pesta sa Bogo para maka loot ko :)

Taga Bogo
May 1st, 2009, 08:40 PM
Boy, although it is your personal property, if any artifacts are found, you are duty bound to report this to the nearest deputized archaeologist: me. hahaha.

sige tell me what you find ha. then we can organize a team to investigate pod later if ever you find some evidence of burials or habitation.

dili ko mag tuga tuga uy :) dili ko khibaw anang evidence of burials or habitation :) Gawas pa daghan kog kontra sa among pamilya kung gub-on ang lawn labi na hinangat na ang pesta. Bitaw, the lot was mentioned by a Guiagonia literature as the place where the first Bogo church was located. Gamay pa ko kaayo napalit na sa akong ginikanan sa mga heredero sa katsilang Balbin ang apilyedo, diha pa to niadto ang ilang bay. Niadto akong mama daghan kaayong libro sa karaang bay gipasonog kay naa konoy tesis ang mga tiguwang katsila (hastang anogona). I could not say kung naa bay digging before the 1900s pero as far as I know wa most of the 1900s.

Ipa sekreto lang unya nakog bugwal ug marik ang yuta inig human sa pesta sa Bogo para maka loot ko :)

goleyson
May 1st, 2009, 09:32 PM
This is not a Passion fruit flower. This is a hydrangea which is popularly known as Milflores. The Passionfruit flower is very different from this one. This is also not a Hortensia.

here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/beginasyouare/864742599/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/beginasyouare/864742599/

goleyson
May 1st, 2009, 09:32 PM
This is not a Passion fruit flower. This is a hydrangea which is popularly known as Milflores. The Passionfruit flower is very different from this one. This is also not a Hortensia.

here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/beginasyouare/864742599/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/beginasyouare/864742599/

goleyson
May 1st, 2009, 10:02 PM
Actually, we were never consulted. Fait accompli naman to pag present sa ato. Sakto ka gyud, mag collective diarrhea sa kasubo tang tanan.:bash::dunno::nono::fiddle::gaah::mad::omg::wallbash::grouphug:

I was watching CCTN's live webcast for the event. Impressive baya, murag Oscars or red carpet pag paso hehe (with the anchor saying, o, i see the president coming etc). Im happy that the pipe organ got played pero pwera gaba ang choir (manaway nalang ko kay daghan man pud nanaway na nisulti nako) wa na juy lain tawon? They could have pooled the choirs from different schools. Tabla ray nanaygon paminawon.. I'm sorry pero if grand naman lang gani, grand nalang jud og todo.

Sa laing bahin, I was really expecting na part jud sa activities ang procession. I asked a friend if naa bay procession then he replied "wala" then later said "naa diay si val sandiego og iyang wife ga impersonate og santos, gipas-an then gipaso paso sa plaza" :nuts:

goleyson
May 1st, 2009, 10:02 PM
Actually, we were never consulted. Fait accompli naman to pag present sa ato. Sakto ka gyud, mag collective diarrhea sa kasubo tang tanan.:bash::dunno::nono::fiddle::gaah::mad::omg::wallbash::grouphug:

I was watching CCTN's live webcast for the event. Impressive baya, murag Oscars or red carpet pag paso hehe (with the anchor saying, o, i see the president coming etc). Im happy that the pipe organ got played pero pwera gaba ang choir (manaway nalang ko kay daghan man pud nanaway na nisulti nako) wa na juy lain tawon? They could have pooled the choirs from different schools. Tabla ray nanaygon paminawon.. I'm sorry pero if grand naman lang gani, grand nalang jud og todo.

Sa laing bahin, I was really expecting na part jud sa activities ang procession. I asked a friend if naa bay procession then he replied "wala" then later said "naa diay si val sandiego og iyang wife ga impersonate og santos, gipas-an then gipaso paso sa plaza" :nuts:

archaeologue
May 2nd, 2009, 07:40 AM
I asked a friend if naa bay procession then he replied "wala" then later said "naa diay si val sandiego og iyang wife ga impersonate og santos, gipas-an then gipaso paso sa plaza" :nuts:

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh! that's all i can say publicly. otherwise, all my other comments will be said privately...although, pwede ko mokatawa? hahahahah!

archaeologue
May 2nd, 2009, 07:40 AM
I asked a friend if naa bay procession then he replied "wala" then later said "naa diay si val sandiego og iyang wife ga impersonate og santos, gipas-an then gipaso paso sa plaza" :nuts:

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh! that's all i can say publicly. otherwise, all my other comments will be said privately...although, pwede ko mokatawa? hahahahah!

archaeologue
May 2nd, 2009, 07:43 AM
dili ko mag tuga tuga uy :) dili ko khibaw anang evidence of burials or habitation :) Gawas pa daghan kog kontra sa among pamilya kung gub-on ang lawn labi na hinangat na ang pesta. Bitaw, the lot was mentioned by a Guiagonia literature as the place where the first Bogo church was located. Gamay pa ko kaayo napalit na sa akong ginikanan sa mga heredero sa katsilang Balbin ang apilyedo, diha pa to niadto ang ilang bay. Niadto akong mama daghan kaayong libro sa karaang bay gipasonog kay naa konoy tesis ang mga tiguwang katsila (hastang anogona). I could not say kung naa bay digging before the 1900s pero as far as I know wa most of the 1900s.

Ipa sekreto lang unya nakog bugwal ug marik ang yuta inig human sa pesta sa Bogo para maka loot ko :)

pagkasayang gyud. oh well, that's life. let's just imagine nga 3 ra ang ilang books in their library...not bad hahaha.

i think you should seriously find out about the ones who constructed your house if they found any burials when digging for the posts---i assume this is a house where the pandays are still alive ha.

archaeologue
May 2nd, 2009, 07:43 AM
dili ko mag tuga tuga uy :) dili ko khibaw anang evidence of burials or habitation :) Gawas pa daghan kog kontra sa among pamilya kung gub-on ang lawn labi na hinangat na ang pesta. Bitaw, the lot was mentioned by a Guiagonia literature as the place where the first Bogo church was located. Gamay pa ko kaayo napalit na sa akong ginikanan sa mga heredero sa katsilang Balbin ang apilyedo, diha pa to niadto ang ilang bay. Niadto akong mama daghan kaayong libro sa karaang bay gipasonog kay naa konoy tesis ang mga tiguwang katsila (hastang anogona). I could not say kung naa bay digging before the 1900s pero as far as I know wa most of the 1900s.

Ipa sekreto lang unya nakog bugwal ug marik ang yuta inig human sa pesta sa Bogo para maka loot ko :)

pagkasayang gyud. oh well, that's life. let's just imagine nga 3 ra ang ilang books in their library...not bad hahaha.

i think you should seriously find out about the ones who constructed your house if they found any burials when digging for the posts---i assume this is a house where the pandays are still alive ha.

Taga Bogo
May 2nd, 2009, 10:04 AM
pagkasayang gyud. oh well, that's life. let's just imagine nga 3 ra ang ilang books in their library...not bad hahaha.

i think you should seriously find out about the ones who constructed your house if they found any burials when digging for the posts---i assume this is a house where the pandays are still alive ha.


The lot itself where the old katsila house was, is vacant karon, lawn ra ang naa. Suwayan nakog pangutana sa mga nagkawt sa mga poste sa bay sa katsila, hopefully buhi pa ni sila ron. Will give this direction my best try.

Taga Bogo
May 2nd, 2009, 10:04 AM
pagkasayang gyud. oh well, that's life. let's just imagine nga 3 ra ang ilang books in their library...not bad hahaha.

i think you should seriously find out about the ones who constructed your house if they found any burials when digging for the posts---i assume this is a house where the pandays are still alive ha.


The lot itself where the old katsila house was, is vacant karon, lawn ra ang naa. Suwayan nakog pangutana sa mga nagkawt sa mga poste sa bay sa katsila, hopefully buhi pa ni sila ron. Will give this direction my best try.

archaeologue
May 2nd, 2009, 11:32 AM
The lot itself where the old katsila house was, is vacant karon, lawn ra ang naa. Suwayan nakog pangutana sa mga nagkawt sa mga poste sa bay sa katsila, hopefully buhi pa ni sila ron. Will give this direction my best try.


i'm crossing my fingers for you, Boy...best of luck!

archaeologue
May 2nd, 2009, 11:32 AM
The lot itself where the old katsila house was, is vacant karon, lawn ra ang naa. Suwayan nakog pangutana sa mga nagkawt sa mga poste sa bay sa katsila, hopefully buhi pa ni sila ron. Will give this direction my best try.


i'm crossing my fingers for you, Boy...best of luck!

LordCarnal
May 2nd, 2009, 01:01 PM
I was watching CCTN's live webcast for the event. Impressive baya, murag Oscars or red carpet pag paso hehe (with the anchor saying, o, i see the president coming etc). Im happy that the pipe organ got played pero pwera gaba ang choir (manaway nalang ko kay daghan man pud nanaway na nisulti nako) wa na juy lain tawon? They could have pooled the choirs from different schools. Tabla ray nanaygon paminawon.. I'm sorry pero if grand naman lang gani, grand nalang jud og todo.

Sa laing bahin, I was really expecting na part jud sa activities ang procession. I asked a friend if naa bay procession then he replied "wala" then later said "naa diay si val sandiego og iyang wife ga impersonate og santos, gipas-an then gipaso paso sa plaza" :nuts:



Glenn, naa diay CCTN sa Middle East?

Anyway, I think mao ni ang event. Before or after ni sa ulan na kusog kaau.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3626/3484739676_22a9bd0887.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3323/3484731554_672e3ee4c6.jpg

LordCarnal
May 2nd, 2009, 01:01 PM
I was watching CCTN's live webcast for the event. Impressive baya, murag Oscars or red carpet pag paso hehe (with the anchor saying, o, i see the president coming etc). Im happy that the pipe organ got played pero pwera gaba ang choir (manaway nalang ko kay daghan man pud nanaway na nisulti nako) wa na juy lain tawon? They could have pooled the choirs from different schools. Tabla ray nanaygon paminawon.. I'm sorry pero if grand naman lang gani, grand nalang jud og todo.

Sa laing bahin, I was really expecting na part jud sa activities ang procession. I asked a friend if naa bay procession then he replied "wala" then later said "naa diay si val sandiego og iyang wife ga impersonate og santos, gipas-an then gipaso paso sa plaza" :nuts:



Glenn, naa diay CCTN sa Middle East?

Anyway, I think mao ni ang event. Before or after ni sa ulan na kusog kaau.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3626/3484739676_22a9bd0887.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3323/3484731554_672e3ee4c6.jpg

goleyson
May 2nd, 2009, 03:10 PM
^^
I wathced their live webcast nold. sa ilang website www.intv.com.ph.. Si dante luzon ang ga cover. hehe. So nakareceive ko sa indulgencia kay valid man even thru radio or tv. hastang fireworks pero di makita kay nasalipdan sa tree.

goleyson
May 2nd, 2009, 03:10 PM
^^
I wathced their live webcast nold. sa ilang website www.intv.com.ph.. Si dante luzon ang ga cover. hehe. So nakareceive ko sa indulgencia kay valid man even thru radio or tv. hastang fireworks pero di makita kay nasalipdan sa tree.

gee
May 2nd, 2009, 09:19 PM
Ban the President from religious celebrations?
The Ear Updated May 03, 2009 12:00 AM

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3092/eartoon.gif

CAUSE OF TROUBLE. During the celebration of the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu at the Metropolitan Cathedral, thousands of people flocked to the cathedral hoping to be part of the historic celebration. But many of them, were barred from entry even if only to the churchyard. “Ingon gyud niini kanunay ang mahitabo basta naa ang Presidente,” the head of a lay Catholic group was heard saying. “Ang iyang seguridad maoy hatagan importansiya, bahala na ang libuan nga babagan sa pagsalmot sa selebrasyon.”

NEXT TIME. Another layman, a lay minister to be specific, was heard saying: “Next time, ayaw nalang ninyo paapila ang Presidente kay samok kaayo. Total moanha ra man kana siya para publicity.” He was addressing his gripe to the officials of the Metropolitan Cathedral. The lay minister said he could not enter the churchyard. “kay ila man gisirhan ang mga gate.”

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=463746&publicationSubCategoryId=109

gee
May 2nd, 2009, 09:19 PM
Ban the President from religious celebrations?
The Ear Updated May 03, 2009 12:00 AM

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3092/eartoon.gif

CAUSE OF TROUBLE. During the celebration of the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu at the Metropolitan Cathedral, thousands of people flocked to the cathedral hoping to be part of the historic celebration. But many of them, were barred from entry even if only to the churchyard. “Ingon gyud niini kanunay ang mahitabo basta naa ang Presidente,” the head of a lay Catholic group was heard saying. “Ang iyang seguridad maoy hatagan importansiya, bahala na ang libuan nga babagan sa pagsalmot sa selebrasyon.”

NEXT TIME. Another layman, a lay minister to be specific, was heard saying: “Next time, ayaw nalang ninyo paapila ang Presidente kay samok kaayo. Total moanha ra man kana siya para publicity.” He was addressing his gripe to the officials of the Metropolitan Cathedral. The lay minister said he could not enter the churchyard. “kay ila man gisirhan ang mga gate.”

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=463746&publicationSubCategoryId=109

AmbutLang
May 3rd, 2009, 01:26 AM
Glenn,

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3626/3484739676_22a9bd0887.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3323/3484731554_672e3ee4c6.jpg

Mao bani ilang gisunod Nold? This place is 20 minutes walk from my house, The Parish of Our Lady Mount Carmel is our adjoining parish.

http://www.giglio-usa.org/

AmbutLang
May 3rd, 2009, 01:26 AM
Glenn,

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3626/3484739676_22a9bd0887.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3323/3484731554_672e3ee4c6.jpg

Mao bani ilang gisunod Nold? This place is 20 minutes walk from my house, The Parish of Our Lady Mount Carmel is our adjoining parish.

http://www.giglio-usa.org/

AmbutLang
May 3rd, 2009, 01:31 AM
Ban the President from religious celebrations?
The Ear Updated May 03, 2009 12:00 AM

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3092/eartoon.gif

CAUSE OF TROUBLE. During the celebration of the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu at the Metropolitan Cathedral, thousands of people flocked to the cathedral hoping to be part of the historic celebration. But many of them, were barred from entry even if only to the churchyard. “Ingon gyud niini kanunay ang mahitabo basta naa ang Presidente,” the head of a lay Catholic group was heard saying. “Ang iyang seguridad maoy hatagan importansiya, bahala na ang libuan nga babagan sa pagsalmot sa selebrasyon.”

NEXT TIME. Another layman, a lay minister to be specific, was heard saying: “Next time, ayaw nalang ninyo paapila ang Presidente kay samok kaayo. Total moanha ra man kana siya para publicity.” He was addressing his gripe to the officials of the Metropolitan Cathedral. The lay minister said he could not enter the churchyard. “kay ila man gisirhan ang mga gate.”

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=463746&publicationSubCategoryId=109

^^maoy nakabati kung naa ang presidente because it will involve hundreds of uniformed securities and another hundreds more for plain cloths securities and about another 10 to 20 pickpocketers. :bash::bash: So less rooms for the devotees. :ohno:

AmbutLang
May 3rd, 2009, 01:31 AM
Ban the President from religious celebrations?
The Ear Updated May 03, 2009 12:00 AM

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3092/eartoon.gif

CAUSE OF TROUBLE. During the celebration of the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu at the Metropolitan Cathedral, thousands of people flocked to the cathedral hoping to be part of the historic celebration. But many of them, were barred from entry even if only to the churchyard. “Ingon gyud niini kanunay ang mahitabo basta naa ang Presidente,” the head of a lay Catholic group was heard saying. “Ang iyang seguridad maoy hatagan importansiya, bahala na ang libuan nga babagan sa pagsalmot sa selebrasyon.”

NEXT TIME. Another layman, a lay minister to be specific, was heard saying: “Next time, ayaw nalang ninyo paapila ang Presidente kay samok kaayo. Total moanha ra man kana siya para publicity.” He was addressing his gripe to the officials of the Metropolitan Cathedral. The lay minister said he could not enter the churchyard. “kay ila man gisirhan ang mga gate.”

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=463746&publicationSubCategoryId=109

^^maoy nakabati kung naa ang presidente because it will involve hundreds of uniformed securities and another hundreds more for plain cloths securities and about another 10 to 20 pickpocketers. :bash::bash: So less rooms for the devotees. :ohno:

Jarenz
May 3rd, 2009, 08:31 PM
To all SSC Cebu Heritage Forumers [cebu based]

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May 10, 2009
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5. Asterisky
6. Hoopster21
7. Bloodyred
8. LordCarnal
9. federalist - try mu apas
10. Ka_Bino
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Jarenz
May 3rd, 2009, 08:31 PM
To all SSC Cebu Heritage Forumers [cebu based]

You're invited in ....


SSC-Cebu Island Hopping
May 10, 2009
10am-5pm


Attendees:

1. Jarenz
2. Henz
3. Technoblaze
4. Rustyboi
5. Asterisky
6. Hoopster21
7. Bloodyred
8. LordCarnal
9. federalist - try mu apas
10. Ka_Bino
11. Rau
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.


Note: This summer escapade is made possible by our following sponsors: Rustyboi & SSC Forumer based in U.S.A


Sa mga gusto mokuyog palista namo... Limited slots left!

Link (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=775790&page=33)

demented_pigeon
May 4th, 2009, 06:27 AM
^^ naa mo kahibaw nga foundation or NGO concentrating on preservation that may employ history graduates?

demented_pigeon
May 4th, 2009, 06:27 AM
^^ naa mo kahibaw nga foundation or NGO concentrating on preservation that may employ history graduates?

sanvalente
May 4th, 2009, 01:30 PM
^^ naa mo kahibaw nga foundation or NGO concentrating on preservation that may employ history graduates?

naa unta pero trapo man ang mo-decide...he he he (joke only):)

sanvalente
May 4th, 2009, 01:30 PM
^^ naa mo kahibaw nga foundation or NGO concentrating on preservation that may employ history graduates?

naa unta pero trapo man ang mo-decide...he he he (joke only):)

LordCarnal
May 4th, 2009, 02:35 PM
The cemetery where the Osmeña Mausoleum is situated will be converted into a heritage park.

The archdiocese will donate it to the city.

LordCarnal
May 4th, 2009, 02:35 PM
The cemetery where the Osmeña Mausoleum is situated will be converted into a heritage park.

The archdiocese will donate it to the city.

archaeologue
May 4th, 2009, 04:42 PM
The cemetery where the Osmeña Mausoleum is situated will be converted into a heritage park.

The archdiocese will donate it to the city.

yes, i read that the other day in the papers...finally, someone has read our lamentations ha. hehehe.

:banana:

archaeologue
May 4th, 2009, 04:42 PM
The cemetery where the Osmeña Mausoleum is situated will be converted into a heritage park.

The archdiocese will donate it to the city.

yes, i read that the other day in the papers...finally, someone has read our lamentations ha. hehehe.

:banana: