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Sleepwalker
May 4th, 2009, 04:48 PM
Panghinaot lang pud unta nga tagaan pud tawon og importansya sa siyudad ang kabahin niining heritage.

Sleepwalker
May 4th, 2009, 04:48 PM
Panghinaot lang pud unta nga tagaan pud tawon og importansya sa siyudad ang kabahin niining heritage.

Wolfranz
May 4th, 2009, 05:24 PM
The cemetery where the Osmeña Mausoleum is situated will be converted into a heritage park.

The archdiocese will donate it to the city.

I hope that won't spell doom for this heritage gem. Basig dili ra sad ni tagaan ug pagtagad because of all the SRP hulabaloo.

Wolfranz
May 4th, 2009, 05:24 PM
The cemetery where the Osmeña Mausoleum is situated will be converted into a heritage park.

The archdiocese will donate it to the city.

I hope that won't spell doom for this heritage gem. Basig dili ra sad ni tagaan ug pagtagad because of all the SRP hulabaloo.

Jarenz
May 4th, 2009, 11:04 PM
The cemetery where the Osmeña Mausoleum is situated will be converted into a heritage park.

The archdiocese will donate it to the city.

I hope City will give attention on this...

Jarenz
May 4th, 2009, 11:04 PM
The cemetery where the Osmeña Mausoleum is situated will be converted into a heritage park.

The archdiocese will donate it to the city.

I hope City will give attention on this...

LordCarnal
May 5th, 2009, 03:04 PM
Delayed photos.

The blessing of the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the opening celebrations of the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu last April 28.

Thanks to Mr. and Mrs. Alix for letting me use their camera, hehehe.

MORE PHOTOS from my FLICKR, http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnoldcarl


Arrival of Cardinals Rosales and Vidal at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3503411507_a1df6a1f03.jpg


Church hierarchy
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/3503418121_b99bfde822.jpg


SSC forumers
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3504237170_b30a21d0ca.jpg


The cathedral of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3503425959_d1084446d8.jpg


Preparing to bless the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum (I think the garden will soon be available for wedding receptions, let's ask Ang_Karaang_Tawo, hehehe).
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3504240824_1105cf4ffa.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3504242730_6a9b0b2ace.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3504244794_c17c0f1ec0.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/3504247162_e304fd85ac.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3503440351_5133e850a3.jpg


The Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the Cebu Cathedral in the background, both built in the early 19th century.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3504249152_199b53766e.jpg

LordCarnal
May 5th, 2009, 03:04 PM
Delayed photos.

The blessing of the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the opening celebrations of the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu last April 28.

Thanks to Mr. and Mrs. Alix for letting me use their camera, hehehe.

MORE PHOTOS from my FLICKR, http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnoldcarl


Arrival of Cardinals Rosales and Vidal at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3503411507_a1df6a1f03.jpg


Church hierarchy
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/3503418121_b99bfde822.jpg


SSC forumers
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3504237170_b30a21d0ca.jpg


The cathedral of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3503425959_d1084446d8.jpg


Preparing to bless the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum (I think the garden will soon be available for wedding receptions, let's ask Ang_Karaang_Tawo, hehehe).
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3504240824_1105cf4ffa.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3504242730_6a9b0b2ace.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3504244794_c17c0f1ec0.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/3504247162_e304fd85ac.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3503440351_5133e850a3.jpg


The Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the Cebu Cathedral in the background, both built in the early 19th century.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3504249152_199b53766e.jpg

LordCarnal
May 5th, 2009, 03:06 PM
Continuation...

The Cathedral Museum of Cebu, built in the early 19th-century, formerly the rectory (or in local parlance, the convento) of the Cebu Cathedral.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3604/3503608601_08cb23fb7e.jpg


Cebu Gov. Gwen Garcia and PGMA
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3643/3503551107_259f3010db.jpg


Start of the concelebrated pontifical mass
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3365/3503553425_06e77507b9.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3577/3504376012_ccf34b6039.jpg


Reading of the Holy Gospel
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3320/3504387658_4d2235b1c0.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3503569677_0e32442cfe.jpg


Manila Archbishop Gaudencio Cardinal Rosales
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640/3504373452_9ea2dd79b3.jpg


Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3390/3504385006_04e8d706a3.jpg


The pipe organ and the choir
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3504395186_2133b1b062.jpg


Hundreds of people outside the cathedral
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3606/3504400948_0dc22ae6af.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3416/3503585079_83b1d6c72e.jpg


The newly embellished interiors of the cathedral
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3660/3504403416_c1a4c24139.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3653/3504416454_91f4abc949.jpg


Umm, an opera theater? Hehe...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3604/3504462168_a622a887a1.jpg



.:. END .:.

LordCarnal
May 5th, 2009, 03:06 PM
Continuation...

The Cathedral Museum of Cebu, built in the early 19th-century, formerly the rectory (or in local parlance, the convento) of the Cebu Cathedral.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3604/3503608601_08cb23fb7e.jpg


Cebu Gov. Gwen Garcia and PGMA
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3643/3503551107_259f3010db.jpg


Start of the concelebrated pontifical mass
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3365/3503553425_06e77507b9.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3577/3504376012_ccf34b6039.jpg


Reading of the Holy Gospel
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3320/3504387658_4d2235b1c0.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3503569677_0e32442cfe.jpg


Manila Archbishop Gaudencio Cardinal Rosales
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640/3504373452_9ea2dd79b3.jpg


Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3390/3504385006_04e8d706a3.jpg


The pipe organ and the choir
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3504395186_2133b1b062.jpg


Hundreds of people outside the cathedral
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3606/3504400948_0dc22ae6af.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3416/3503585079_83b1d6c72e.jpg


The newly embellished interiors of the cathedral
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3660/3504403416_c1a4c24139.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3653/3504416454_91f4abc949.jpg


Umm, an opera theater? Hehe...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3604/3504462168_a622a887a1.jpg



.:. END .:.

gee
May 5th, 2009, 06:59 PM
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/other/cebu.jpg

gee
May 5th, 2009, 06:59 PM
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/other/cebu.jpg

goleyson
May 5th, 2009, 07:53 PM
^^
fort san pedro was covered by the thick dark smoke..

goleyson
May 5th, 2009, 07:53 PM
^^
fort san pedro was covered by the thick dark smoke..

AmbutLang
May 5th, 2009, 10:27 PM
Delayed photos.

The blessing of the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the opening celebrations of the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu last April 28.

Thanks to Mr. and Mrs. Alix for letting me use their camera, hehehe.

MORE PHOTOS from my FLICKR, http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnoldcarl


Arrival of Cardinals Rosales and Vidal at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3503411507_a1df6a1f03.jpg


Church hierarchy
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/3503418121_b99bfde822.jpg


SSC forumers Markii and Ken
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3504237170_b30a21d0ca.jpg


The cathedral of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3503425959_d1084446d8.jpg


Preparing to bless the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum (I think the garden will soon be available for wedding receptions, let's ask Ang_Karaang_Tawo, hehehe).
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3504240824_1105cf4ffa.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3504242730_6a9b0b2ace.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3504244794_c17c0f1ec0.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/3504247162_e304fd85ac.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3503440351_5133e850a3.jpg


The Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the Cebu Cathedral in the background, both built in the early 19th century.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3504249152_199b53766e.jpg

Arnold nianha ba ang akong amigo classmate Bishop Cantellas SDB of Ormoc, Leyte?

AmbutLang
May 5th, 2009, 10:27 PM
Delayed photos.

The blessing of the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the opening celebrations of the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu last April 28.

Thanks to Mr. and Mrs. Alix for letting me use their camera, hehehe.

MORE PHOTOS from my FLICKR, http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnoldcarl


Arrival of Cardinals Rosales and Vidal at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3503411507_a1df6a1f03.jpg


Church hierarchy
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/3503418121_b99bfde822.jpg


SSC forumers Markii and Ken
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3504237170_b30a21d0ca.jpg


The cathedral of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3503425959_d1084446d8.jpg


Preparing to bless the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum (I think the garden will soon be available for wedding receptions, let's ask Ang_Karaang_Tawo, hehehe).
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3504240824_1105cf4ffa.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3504242730_6a9b0b2ace.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3504244794_c17c0f1ec0.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/3504247162_e304fd85ac.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3503440351_5133e850a3.jpg


The Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the Cebu Cathedral in the background, both built in the early 19th century.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3504249152_199b53766e.jpg

Arnold nianha ba ang akong amigo classmate Bishop Cantellas SDB of Ormoc, Leyte?

sanvalente
May 6th, 2009, 12:46 AM
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/ximone/ww2uscebubombingpaint.jpg

wow gee! i can see where i'm holding office now! (lower left), could be a few hours or days later that this building was hit by a small bomb but did not destroy the whole building, only the rooftop was damaged but the walls were intact. The aduana and smith
bell buildings are clear too .. a rare pic indeed.. thanks

sanvalente
May 6th, 2009, 12:46 AM
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/ximone/ww2uscebubombingpaint.jpg

wow gee! i can see where i'm holding office now! (lower left), could be a few hours or days later that this building was hit by a small bomb but did not destroy the whole building, only the rooftop was damaged but the walls were intact. The aduana and smith
bell buildings are clear too .. a rare pic indeed.. thanks

Jarenz
May 6th, 2009, 01:22 AM
^^ nice find there...

First time i saw this photo... tnx for sharing... new learning na naman...


Informative kaau da ang Heritage Thread... Keep it up Cebu Historians este Forumers...

Jarenz
May 6th, 2009, 01:22 AM
^^ nice find there...

First time i saw this photo... tnx for sharing... new learning na naman...


Informative kaau da ang Heritage Thread... Keep it up Cebu Historians este Forumers...

Sleepwalker
May 6th, 2009, 03:15 AM
Salamat sa mga larawan, @Arnold... :cheers:

I heard somewhere before, nga after sa facelift sa Cathedral, ang cathedral museum na pud ang isunod og develop...Naa ba ni nga plano?

Sleepwalker
May 6th, 2009, 03:15 AM
Salamat sa mga larawan, @Arnold... :cheers:

I heard somewhere before, nga after sa facelift sa Cathedral, ang cathedral museum na pud ang isunod og develop...Naa ba ni nga plano?

LordCarnal
May 6th, 2009, 10:44 AM
Salamat sa mga larawan, @Arnold... :cheers:

I heard somewhere before, nga after sa facelift sa Cathedral, ang cathedral museum na pud ang isunod og develop...Naa ba ni nga plano?

Welcome bai. I think cge naman ang improvement sa museum, like kanang garden. Gitiwas napod ang pikas side sa structure.

LordCarnal
May 6th, 2009, 10:44 AM
Salamat sa mga larawan, @Arnold... :cheers:

I heard somewhere before, nga after sa facelift sa Cathedral, ang cathedral museum na pud ang isunod og develop...Naa ba ni nga plano?

Welcome bai. I think cge naman ang improvement sa museum, like kanang garden. Gitiwas napod ang pikas side sa structure.

Sleepwalker
May 6th, 2009, 10:50 AM
Salamat sa update, bai...Hope to see Plaza Independencia's renovation after sa tunnel project... :banana:

Sleepwalker
May 6th, 2009, 10:50 AM
Salamat sa update, bai...Hope to see Plaza Independencia's renovation after sa tunnel project... :banana:

archaeologue
May 6th, 2009, 12:46 PM
^^ ^^

@Gee, what is the source of the photo? This is the day the Arzobispado got bombed diay, not Sept. 12 or 14. I understand there was another bombing run on Cebu on Setpemer 22 0r 23, 1944. Do you know of any photos of that one?

archaeologue
May 6th, 2009, 12:46 PM
^^ ^^

@Gee, what is the source of the photo? This is the day the Arzobispado got bombed diay, not Sept. 12 or 14. I understand there was another bombing run on Cebu on Setpemer 22 0r 23, 1944. Do you know of any photos of that one?

archaeologue
May 6th, 2009, 12:49 PM
Salamat sa update, bai...Hope to see Plaza Independencia's renovation after sa tunnel project... :banana:

I think a full excavation of the parts of the plaza that are not above the tunnel will proceed after the tunnel opening. Funds are being requested now to continue the salvage archaeological work after the tunnel is inaugurated.

Landscaping will probably have to wait if this will push through.

archaeologue
May 6th, 2009, 12:49 PM
Salamat sa update, bai...Hope to see Plaza Independencia's renovation after sa tunnel project... :banana:

I think a full excavation of the parts of the plaza that are not above the tunnel will proceed after the tunnel opening. Funds are being requested now to continue the salvage archaeological work after the tunnel is inaugurated.

Landscaping will probably have to wait if this will push through.

Sleepwalker
May 6th, 2009, 02:45 PM
Matsalams Sir Jobers....Maayo unta matakdan pud ninyo ang mga heritage counsel sa Cebu City oi, para ang mga heritage sites nga under sa jurisdiction sa city kay dili mapagan sa padayon nga urbanisasyon sa siyudad.

Sleepwalker
May 6th, 2009, 02:45 PM
Matsalams Sir Jobers....Maayo unta matakdan pud ninyo ang mga heritage counsel sa Cebu City oi, para ang mga heritage sites nga under sa jurisdiction sa city kay dili mapagan sa padayon nga urbanisasyon sa siyudad.

archaeologue
May 6th, 2009, 04:19 PM
^^ ^^

i say amen to that...thanks/

archaeologue
May 6th, 2009, 04:19 PM
^^ ^^

i say amen to that...thanks/

gee
May 6th, 2009, 07:16 PM
^^ ^^

@Gee, what is the source of the photo? This is the day the Arzobispado got bombed diay, not Sept. 12 or 14. I understand there was another bombing run on Cebu on Setpemer 22 0r 23, 1944. Do you know of any photos of that one?

that's the only picture i got from this website:
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/cebu.html

gee
May 6th, 2009, 07:16 PM
^^ ^^

@Gee, what is the source of the photo? This is the day the Arzobispado got bombed diay, not Sept. 12 or 14. I understand there was another bombing run on Cebu on Setpemer 22 0r 23, 1944. Do you know of any photos of that one?

that's the only picture i got from this website:
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/cebu.html

gee
May 6th, 2009, 08:49 PM
Finally, a definitive Cebuano dictionary
Michelle P. So
Caught in the net

WHAT Cebuano dictionary gives the meaning of n’est-ce pas? Or a neuropteroid or frowsty or Virgin Mary?

The English-Visayan Cebuano Dictionary First Edition 2009 does.

Browsing its pages, I was impressed at the variety of entries it has. More than 66,000 words and terms are given Cebuano meaning in this 1,250-page book. It has a guide on accentuation, Cebuano alphabets, pronunciation and affixation. It even has two pages of Cebuano terms of the human body complete with model drawings and labels (although the very private parts are omitted).

Given the decade that the authors spent to draft it, the Cebuano Dictionary is comparable to Webster’s, Oxford’s and American Heritage. It is a well-crafted dictionary, far from the kind that I used to own. What I had was pocket-sized and therefore minimalistic such that I couldn’t find in it the words or translation I needed to know.

But this Cebuano Dictionary, authored by Cebuano language advocates belonging to the Akademiyang Bisaya Inc., is a tome that lists common words and terms from various disciplines. It is a lexicon, explaining the meaning of a word in Cebuano and not just translating it from English to Cebuano.

That’s why I was surprised to find n’est-ce pas as an entry. Well, the dictionary has several French entries—French, French bean, French chalk, French chop, French cuff, French curve, French dressing, French fry, frenchify, French kiss, French leave, Frenchman, French pastry, French telephone, French toast, French window and Frenchwoman. No French bread? I’m tempted to answer my own question with “n’est-ce pas” but I would be wrong. The phrase, according to the Cebuano Dictionary, means, “Dili ba kana mao?”

The dictionary is published by Sun.Star Publishing Inc. (SSPI) and will be launched at 4 p.m. today at the Capitol social hall. SSPI chairman and president Jesus B. Garcia Jr. describes it as “the first ever definitive English-Visayan Cebuano Dictionary.”

JBG gives credit to Adelino Sitoy, the man who speaks deep Cebuano and who gives face to the Lubas sa Dagang Bisaya (Ludabi), and then Cebu City Mayor Alvin Garcia, for working for the realization of their dream to have an “authoritative” English-Visayan Cebuano dictionary.

Together with Sitoy, Cesar Kilaton Jr. and Rogelio Pono worked on it with the help of researchers Gumer Rafanan, Alex Abellana, Jesus Estano, Estanislao Empi-nado, Imelda Perez and Marianita Mangubat.

The 66,00 plus entries in the Cebuano Dictionary include English and foreign words that are commonly used as well as terms in science, medicine, faith, law and other disciplines. This explains the presence of n’est-ce pas, neuropteroid (a four-winged insect that bites), frowsty (which in Cebuano means pan-os, agup-opon, baho) and Virgin Mary (inahan ni Jesus).

Ten years in the making, the Cebuano Dictionary is one book that the late Jesus P. Garcia Sr., JBG’s father and the first chairman of the Akademiyang Bisaya, had hoped to see during his lifetime. Sadly, Jesus Sr. passed away before the dictionary got published. The Cebuano Dictionary is in memoriam of Jesus Sr.

It is worth the wait. Since the number of copies printed is limited, I suggest you buy a copy as soon as it’s sold in the local bookstores. I’m not sure how much it will cost but I’m willing to shell out P1,000 for it.

I likewise suggest to a preying neuropteroid to avoid getting near the Cebuano Dictionary lest it meets its untimely demise from a lexical bash.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/so-finally-definitive-cebuano-dictionary

gee
May 6th, 2009, 08:49 PM
Finally, a definitive Cebuano dictionary
Michelle P. So
Caught in the net

WHAT Cebuano dictionary gives the meaning of n’est-ce pas? Or a neuropteroid or frowsty or Virgin Mary?

The English-Visayan Cebuano Dictionary First Edition 2009 does.

Browsing its pages, I was impressed at the variety of entries it has. More than 66,000 words and terms are given Cebuano meaning in this 1,250-page book. It has a guide on accentuation, Cebuano alphabets, pronunciation and affixation. It even has two pages of Cebuano terms of the human body complete with model drawings and labels (although the very private parts are omitted).

Given the decade that the authors spent to draft it, the Cebuano Dictionary is comparable to Webster’s, Oxford’s and American Heritage. It is a well-crafted dictionary, far from the kind that I used to own. What I had was pocket-sized and therefore minimalistic such that I couldn’t find in it the words or translation I needed to know.

But this Cebuano Dictionary, authored by Cebuano language advocates belonging to the Akademiyang Bisaya Inc., is a tome that lists common words and terms from various disciplines. It is a lexicon, explaining the meaning of a word in Cebuano and not just translating it from English to Cebuano.

That’s why I was surprised to find n’est-ce pas as an entry. Well, the dictionary has several French entries—French, French bean, French chalk, French chop, French cuff, French curve, French dressing, French fry, frenchify, French kiss, French leave, Frenchman, French pastry, French telephone, French toast, French window and Frenchwoman. No French bread? I’m tempted to answer my own question with “n’est-ce pas” but I would be wrong. The phrase, according to the Cebuano Dictionary, means, “Dili ba kana mao?”

The dictionary is published by Sun.Star Publishing Inc. (SSPI) and will be launched at 4 p.m. today at the Capitol social hall. SSPI chairman and president Jesus B. Garcia Jr. describes it as “the first ever definitive English-Visayan Cebuano Dictionary.”

JBG gives credit to Adelino Sitoy, the man who speaks deep Cebuano and who gives face to the Lubas sa Dagang Bisaya (Ludabi), and then Cebu City Mayor Alvin Garcia, for working for the realization of their dream to have an “authoritative” English-Visayan Cebuano dictionary.

Together with Sitoy, Cesar Kilaton Jr. and Rogelio Pono worked on it with the help of researchers Gumer Rafanan, Alex Abellana, Jesus Estano, Estanislao Empi-nado, Imelda Perez and Marianita Mangubat.

The 66,00 plus entries in the Cebuano Dictionary include English and foreign words that are commonly used as well as terms in science, medicine, faith, law and other disciplines. This explains the presence of n’est-ce pas, neuropteroid (a four-winged insect that bites), frowsty (which in Cebuano means pan-os, agup-opon, baho) and Virgin Mary (inahan ni Jesus).

Ten years in the making, the Cebuano Dictionary is one book that the late Jesus P. Garcia Sr., JBG’s father and the first chairman of the Akademiyang Bisaya, had hoped to see during his lifetime. Sadly, Jesus Sr. passed away before the dictionary got published. The Cebuano Dictionary is in memoriam of Jesus Sr.

It is worth the wait. Since the number of copies printed is limited, I suggest you buy a copy as soon as it’s sold in the local bookstores. I’m not sure how much it will cost but I’m willing to shell out P1,000 for it.

I likewise suggest to a preying neuropteroid to avoid getting near the Cebuano Dictionary lest it meets its untimely demise from a lexical bash.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/so-finally-definitive-cebuano-dictionary

AmbutLang
May 6th, 2009, 09:51 PM
Finally, a definitive Cebuano dictionary
Michelle P. So
Caught in the net

WHAT Cebuano dictionary gives the meaning of n’est-ce pas? Or a neuropteroid or frowsty or Virgin Mary?

The English-Visayan Cebuano Dictionary First Edition 2009 does.

Browsing its pages, I was impressed at the variety of entries it has. More than 66,000 words and terms are given Cebuano meaning in this 1,250-page book. It has a guide on accentuation, Cebuano alphabets, pronunciation and affixation. It even has two pages of Cebuano terms of the human body complete with model drawings and labels (although the very private parts are omitted)

That’s why I was surprised to find n’est-ce pas as an entry. Well, the
I likewise suggest to a preying neuropteroid to avoid getting near the Cebuano Dictionary lest it meets its untimely demise from a lexical bash.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/so-finally-definitive-cebuano-dictionary

This will be considered their 1st edition. I hope they will accept the feedback from the public if they have questions at least thru their web site. So there is no set price of this dictionary.

Maybe on their second edition or just listen to kids when and argument ensue or when the adults lost the game of mah jong or hantak. :lol:

AmbutLang
May 6th, 2009, 09:51 PM
Finally, a definitive Cebuano dictionary
Michelle P. So
Caught in the net

WHAT Cebuano dictionary gives the meaning of n’est-ce pas? Or a neuropteroid or frowsty or Virgin Mary?

The English-Visayan Cebuano Dictionary First Edition 2009 does.

Browsing its pages, I was impressed at the variety of entries it has. More than 66,000 words and terms are given Cebuano meaning in this 1,250-page book. It has a guide on accentuation, Cebuano alphabets, pronunciation and affixation. It even has two pages of Cebuano terms of the human body complete with model drawings and labels (although the very private parts are omitted)

That’s why I was surprised to find n’est-ce pas as an entry. Well, the
I likewise suggest to a preying neuropteroid to avoid getting near the Cebuano Dictionary lest it meets its untimely demise from a lexical bash.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/so-finally-definitive-cebuano-dictionary

This will be considered their 1st edition. I hope they will accept the feedback from the public if they have questions at least thru their web site. So there is no set price of this dictionary.

Maybe on their second edition or just listen to kids when and argument ensue or when the adults lost the game of mah jong or hantak. :lol:

AmbutLang
May 6th, 2009, 10:01 PM
I think a full excavation of the parts of the plaza that are not above the tunnel will proceed after the tunnel opening. Funds are being requested now to continue the salvage archaeological work after the tunnel is inaugurated.

Landscaping will probably have to wait if this will push through.

As what I heard from the olds, Magellen Cross was a beach front, so thus the Fort San Pedro was almost like an island during high tide, similar situation sa sea shore in Tubigon, Bohol layo kaayo ang dagat ting hunas.

AmbutLang
May 6th, 2009, 10:01 PM
I think a full excavation of the parts of the plaza that are not above the tunnel will proceed after the tunnel opening. Funds are being requested now to continue the salvage archaeological work after the tunnel is inaugurated.

Landscaping will probably have to wait if this will push through.

As what I heard from the olds, Magellen Cross was a beach front, so thus the Fort San Pedro was almost like an island during high tide, similar situation sa sea shore in Tubigon, Bohol layo kaayo ang dagat ting hunas.

LordCarnal
May 7th, 2009, 06:25 AM
Bai Fred wala baya ko kabalo if naa si Bishop Cantillas kay wala man ko kaila sa face niya. hehehehe.

LordCarnal
May 7th, 2009, 06:25 AM
Bai Fred wala baya ko kabalo if naa si Bishop Cantillas kay wala man ko kaila sa face niya. hehehehe.

archaeologue
May 7th, 2009, 07:22 AM
As what I heard from the olds, Magellen Cross was a beach front, so thus the Fort San Pedro was almost like an island during high tide, similar situation sa sea shore in Tubigon, Bohol layo kaayo ang dagat ting hunas.

mao gyud. which is why the word sugbo became Cebu's name...sugbo in pre-hispanic Cebuano means to wade into a tidal flat or swampy ground. sugboonon would hve meant a place were you have tyo leave your boat to wade into a long tidal or swampy ground.

given this forbidding landscape, we might ask, why did Cebu become a thriving settlement by the end of the 1400s and by early 1500s?

Pigafetta said that the settlements were lining the shoreline, stretching from what is now present-day Mandaue to Talisay. And many of these houses were in fact on stilts or poles high above the water.

Also, only one side of the Fort was on water (as would be the most appropriate design for a seaside defense anywhere where Europeans built fortifications). It would be foolhardy to build a solid stone fort surrounded on all side by the sea, right?

The high tide encroaching on Fort San Pedro was probably due to later building up of silt and sand on rivers (due to deforestation with the building of galleons) and the expansion of the Cebu town, which choked many of the waterways.

Otherwise, why spend so much money and manpower on a fort that was flooded the whole time? Wouldn't the Spaniards have abandoned this a long, long time ago?

archaeologue
May 7th, 2009, 07:22 AM
As what I heard from the olds, Magellen Cross was a beach front, so thus the Fort San Pedro was almost like an island during high tide, similar situation sa sea shore in Tubigon, Bohol layo kaayo ang dagat ting hunas.

mao gyud. which is why the word sugbo became Cebu's name...sugbo in pre-hispanic Cebuano means to wade into a tidal flat or swampy ground. sugboonon would hve meant a place were you have tyo leave your boat to wade into a long tidal or swampy ground.

given this forbidding landscape, we might ask, why did Cebu become a thriving settlement by the end of the 1400s and by early 1500s?

Pigafetta said that the settlements were lining the shoreline, stretching from what is now present-day Mandaue to Talisay. And many of these houses were in fact on stilts or poles high above the water.

Also, only one side of the Fort was on water (as would be the most appropriate design for a seaside defense anywhere where Europeans built fortifications). It would be foolhardy to build a solid stone fort surrounded on all side by the sea, right?

The high tide encroaching on Fort San Pedro was probably due to later building up of silt and sand on rivers (due to deforestation with the building of galleons) and the expansion of the Cebu town, which choked many of the waterways.

Otherwise, why spend so much money and manpower on a fort that was flooded the whole time? Wouldn't the Spaniards have abandoned this a long, long time ago?

gee
May 7th, 2009, 07:58 AM
Bai Fred wala baya ko kabalo if naa si Bishop Cantillas kay wala man ko kaila sa face niya. hehehehe.

http://www.cbcponline.org/bishops/assets/cantillas3.jpg

naa gyud na sya didto kay ang diocese of maasin is suffragan to the archdiocese of cebu

gee
May 7th, 2009, 07:58 AM
Bai Fred wala baya ko kabalo if naa si Bishop Cantillas kay wala man ko kaila sa face niya. hehehehe.

http://www.cbcponline.org/bishops/assets/cantillas3.jpg

naa gyud na sya didto kay ang diocese of maasin is suffragan to the archdiocese of cebu

archaeologue
May 7th, 2009, 08:29 AM
that's the only picture i got from this website:
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/cebu.html

okz, @Gee. Thanks.

archaeologue
May 7th, 2009, 08:29 AM
that's the only picture i got from this website:
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/cebu.html

okz, @Gee. Thanks.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 10:30 AM
Arnold nianha ba ang akong amigo classmate Bishop Cantellas SDB of Ormoc, Leyte?

Yes, Bishop Cantillas was present during the April 28 celebrations. He was in the Cathedral Museum of Cebu earlier because that's where all the Bishops changed into their vestments before the Mass.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 10:30 AM
Arnold nianha ba ang akong amigo classmate Bishop Cantellas SDB of Ormoc, Leyte?

Yes, Bishop Cantillas was present during the April 28 celebrations. He was in the Cathedral Museum of Cebu earlier because that's where all the Bishops changed into their vestments before the Mass.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 10:31 AM
http://www.cbcponline.org/bishops/assets/cantillas3.jpg

naa gyud na sya didto kay ang diocese of maasin is suffragan to the archdiocese of cebu

There you are, Arnold, there's Bishop Cantillas!:banana:

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 10:31 AM
http://www.cbcponline.org/bishops/assets/cantillas3.jpg

naa gyud na sya didto kay ang diocese of maasin is suffragan to the archdiocese of cebu

There you are, Arnold, there's Bishop Cantillas!:banana:

Ang_Bantayanon
May 7th, 2009, 10:38 AM
Myth of Magellan’s Cross

By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 12:47:00 05/07/2009

Does Magellan’s Kiosk really contain the cross he planted on April 21, 1521?

Virgil N. dela Victoria, former chairman of the USC Department of History and now living in the United States, recently communicated to a high government official in Cebu regarding his lament over the following lines that appear at the bottom of the purported Cross of Magellan: “MAGELLAN’S CROSS: This Cross of Tindalo wood encases the original cross planted by Ferdinand Magellan on this very site April 21, 1521.”

As a historian, he cannot rest until the city, or whoever is charged with guarding Magellan’s Kiosk, makes the necessary correction stating in no uncertain terms that the cross that Magellan planted that day in 1521, has long been gone and cannot possibly be contained in that piece of tindalo. This has been his lament since he wrote a letter to Mayor Tomas Osmeña in 2005 and then again to Acting Mayor Mike Rama two years ago. In 2005, according to his most recent letter, he wrote the mayor while the Kiosk was still undergoing renovation. Now, even with the recently inaugurated Plaza Sugbu, the erroneous sign remains. . It was apparently put there by a 1967 group of tour operators who allegedly copied it from a sign that was there previously. Why it was placed there at all remains a mystery.

I agree with him in his suspicions – which he expressed in an article published in the U.S. entitled “Filipinas Magazine”– -that this may have something to do with drawing tourists as much as pilgrims to the site. After all, to have a cross standing since 1521, and one planted by the bold and brave explorer Magellan himself, is such a rare thing indeed –-a wonder to behold! But to carry out this pretense for far too long is something that any historian worth his salt can no longer stomach. And so this latest letter of Virgil will not be the last until this issue is resolved soon.

Is history on Virgil’s side?

When Legazpi arrived in Cebu 44 years after Magellan’s early demise, he reported the miraculous finding of the Sto. Niño the day after, April 28, 1565, by a Spanish soldier named Juan de Camus. That is why for a long time during the early Spanish period, the feast of the Sto. Niño de Cebu was celebrated every April 28 until it became increasingly obvious that the celebration almost always fell on Holy Week, a period of sacrifice devoid of feasting. And so the date was moved to the third week of January. That much has changed but the myth of Magellan’s cross remains. Most glaringly, there is no feast of the finding of Magellan’s cross, something which should have been done if this was his cross indeed!

Nowhere in Legazpi’s report to the King Philip II nor of the subsequent reports coming out of Cebu do we find a mention of the finding of Magellan’s cross. Why? The answer is simple: No wooden cross would have survived the elements and the pogrom that followed the killing of Magellan and the double-cross that Sugbuanons made to the remainder of his fleet that decided to have a banquet with him thereafter.

So what are we to do with the present cross now found at the Kiosk? For starters, it is worthy to trace how this mythmaking began. It’s like the title of Sultan of Cebu given to Mayor Tom by a group of well-meaning but decidedly uninformed Maranaos (or was it Maguindanaos) living in Cebu. Somewhere along the way, someone forgot his or her history and made up something because Cebu, or the Visayas for that matter, was never Islamized–-–-there is no written record about it from Spanish chroniclers, nor do we see this in the archaeological record: Cebuanos buried their dead full of material goods and status markers, something explicitly disallowed by Islam, Christianity or Judaism.

So what are we to do now? There is no other recourse, of course, but to heed Virgil’s lamentations and take down that sign now.

Ang_Bantayanon
May 7th, 2009, 10:38 AM
Myth of Magellan’s Cross

By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 12:47:00 05/07/2009

Does Magellan’s Kiosk really contain the cross he planted on April 21, 1521?

Virgil N. dela Victoria, former chairman of the USC Department of History and now living in the United States, recently communicated to a high government official in Cebu regarding his lament over the following lines that appear at the bottom of the purported Cross of Magellan: “MAGELLAN’S CROSS: This Cross of Tindalo wood encases the original cross planted by Ferdinand Magellan on this very site April 21, 1521.”

As a historian, he cannot rest until the city, or whoever is charged with guarding Magellan’s Kiosk, makes the necessary correction stating in no uncertain terms that the cross that Magellan planted that day in 1521, has long been gone and cannot possibly be contained in that piece of tindalo. This has been his lament since he wrote a letter to Mayor Tomas Osmeña in 2005 and then again to Acting Mayor Mike Rama two years ago. In 2005, according to his most recent letter, he wrote the mayor while the Kiosk was still undergoing renovation. Now, even with the recently inaugurated Plaza Sugbu, the erroneous sign remains. . It was apparently put there by a 1967 group of tour operators who allegedly copied it from a sign that was there previously. Why it was placed there at all remains a mystery.

I agree with him in his suspicions – which he expressed in an article published in the U.S. entitled “Filipinas Magazine”– -that this may have something to do with drawing tourists as much as pilgrims to the site. After all, to have a cross standing since 1521, and one planted by the bold and brave explorer Magellan himself, is such a rare thing indeed –-a wonder to behold! But to carry out this pretense for far too long is something that any historian worth his salt can no longer stomach. And so this latest letter of Virgil will not be the last until this issue is resolved soon.

Is history on Virgil’s side?

When Legazpi arrived in Cebu 44 years after Magellan’s early demise, he reported the miraculous finding of the Sto. Niño the day after, April 28, 1565, by a Spanish soldier named Juan de Camus. That is why for a long time during the early Spanish period, the feast of the Sto. Niño de Cebu was celebrated every April 28 until it became increasingly obvious that the celebration almost always fell on Holy Week, a period of sacrifice devoid of feasting. And so the date was moved to the third week of January. That much has changed but the myth of Magellan’s cross remains. Most glaringly, there is no feast of the finding of Magellan’s cross, something which should have been done if this was his cross indeed!

Nowhere in Legazpi’s report to the King Philip II nor of the subsequent reports coming out of Cebu do we find a mention of the finding of Magellan’s cross. Why? The answer is simple: No wooden cross would have survived the elements and the pogrom that followed the killing of Magellan and the double-cross that Sugbuanons made to the remainder of his fleet that decided to have a banquet with him thereafter.

So what are we to do with the present cross now found at the Kiosk? For starters, it is worthy to trace how this mythmaking began. It’s like the title of Sultan of Cebu given to Mayor Tom by a group of well-meaning but decidedly uninformed Maranaos (or was it Maguindanaos) living in Cebu. Somewhere along the way, someone forgot his or her history and made up something because Cebu, or the Visayas for that matter, was never Islamized–-–-there is no written record about it from Spanish chroniclers, nor do we see this in the archaeological record: Cebuanos buried their dead full of material goods and status markers, something explicitly disallowed by Islam, Christianity or Judaism.

So what are we to do now? There is no other recourse, of course, but to heed Virgil’s lamentations and take down that sign now.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 10:39 AM
Salamat sa mga larawan, @Arnold... :cheers:

I heard somewhere before, nga after sa facelift sa Cathedral, ang cathedral museum na pud ang isunod og develop...Naa ba ni nga plano?

The Cathedral Museum of Cebu does not need much face lifting. What face lifting do you mean? Pinturahan ug green, ipa gold ang fence? :ohno:The building is structurally ok now and the wooden parts are ok.

The old convento never looked this good before, if I may say so. Even the garden and parking area never looked this well even when it was still being used as the rectory of the Cathedral.

But thanks for caring. . .

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 10:39 AM
Salamat sa mga larawan, @Arnold... :cheers:

I heard somewhere before, nga after sa facelift sa Cathedral, ang cathedral museum na pud ang isunod og develop...Naa ba ni nga plano?

The Cathedral Museum of Cebu does not need much face lifting. What face lifting do you mean? Pinturahan ug green, ipa gold ang fence? :ohno:The building is structurally ok now and the wooden parts are ok.

The old convento never looked this good before, if I may say so. Even the garden and parking area never looked this well even when it was still being used as the rectory of the Cathedral.

But thanks for caring. . .

Sleepwalker
May 7th, 2009, 11:20 AM
^^Kakuyaw sad anang usbon ang natural nga color sa cathedral oi...:)

Actually, mora'g a sort of landscaping diay ang ako pasabot sa facelifting...I apologize for the wrong use of term...Hmmmm, siguro, instead nga steel nga fence, ilisan ba ron og kanang something nga mo-match sa kinaraan nga style sa Cathedral...I am not sure pud, kung bricks na ba pud ang pavement arround Cathedral Museum... :)

Sleepwalker
May 7th, 2009, 11:20 AM
^^Kakuyaw sad anang usbon ang natural nga color sa cathedral oi...:)

Actually, mora'g a sort of landscaping diay ang ako pasabot sa facelifting...I apologize for the wrong use of term...Hmmmm, siguro, instead nga steel nga fence, ilisan ba ron og kanang something nga mo-match sa kinaraan nga style sa Cathedral...I am not sure pud, kung bricks na ba pud ang pavement arround Cathedral Museum... :)

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 01:28 PM
^^Kakuyaw sad anang usbon ang natural nga color sa cathedral oi...:)

Actually, mora'g a sort of landscaping diay ang ako pasabot sa facelifting...I apologize for the wrong use of term...Hmmmm, siguro, instead nga steel nga fence, ilisan ba ron og kanang something nga mo-match sa kinaraan nga style sa Cathedral...I am not sure pud, kung bricks na ba pud ang pavement arround Cathedral Museum... :)

Aw, mao ba diay. Actually, pareparehas ang style sa pagkabuhat ang wrought iron fence kay gisunod man ang sa Cathedral. Sa tinuod lang, wala gyud niy koral ang daang kombento. We just placed a fence for security sake. If we have to be authentic, wala gyuy fence unta.

Ang brick na pavement sa Cathedral is also not authentic. Wala na niadto if you look at the old pictures. Only the fence. But they spruced it up for the Jubilee.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 01:28 PM
^^Kakuyaw sad anang usbon ang natural nga color sa cathedral oi...:)

Actually, mora'g a sort of landscaping diay ang ako pasabot sa facelifting...I apologize for the wrong use of term...Hmmmm, siguro, instead nga steel nga fence, ilisan ba ron og kanang something nga mo-match sa kinaraan nga style sa Cathedral...I am not sure pud, kung bricks na ba pud ang pavement arround Cathedral Museum... :)

Aw, mao ba diay. Actually, pareparehas ang style sa pagkabuhat ang wrought iron fence kay gisunod man ang sa Cathedral. Sa tinuod lang, wala gyud niy koral ang daang kombento. We just placed a fence for security sake. If we have to be authentic, wala gyuy fence unta.

Ang brick na pavement sa Cathedral is also not authentic. Wala na niadto if you look at the old pictures. Only the fence. But they spruced it up for the Jubilee.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 01:35 PM
Myth of Magellan’s Cross

By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 12:47:00 05/07/2009

Does Magellan’s Kiosk really contain the cross he planted on April 21, 1521?

Virgil N. dela Victoria, former chairman of the USC Department of History and now living in the United States, recently communicated to a high government official in Cebu regarding his lament over the following lines that appear at the bottom of the purported Cross of Magellan: “MAGELLAN’S CROSS: This Cross of Tindalo wood encases the original cross planted by Ferdinand Magellan on this very site April 21, 1521.”

As a historian, he cannot rest until the city, or whoever is charged with guarding Magellan’s Kiosk, makes the necessary correction stating in no uncertain terms that the cross that Magellan planted that day in 1521, has long been gone and cannot possibly be contained in that piece of tindalo. This has been his lament since he wrote a letter to Mayor Tomas Osmeña in 2005 and then again to Acting Mayor Mike Rama two years ago. In 2005, according to his most recent letter, he wrote the mayor while the Kiosk was still undergoing renovation. Now, even with the recently inaugurated Plaza Sugbu, the erroneous sign remains. . It was apparently put there by a 1967 group of tour operators who allegedly copied it from a sign that was there previously. Why it was placed there at all remains a mystery.

I agree with him in his suspicions – which he expressed in an article published in the U.S. entitled “Filipinas Magazine”– -that this may have something to do with drawing tourists as much as pilgrims to the site. After all, to have a cross standing since 1521, and one planted by the bold and brave explorer Magellan himself, is such a rare thing indeed –-a wonder to behold! But to carry out this pretense for far too long is something that any historian worth his salt can no longer stomach. And so this latest letter of Virgil will not be the last until this issue is resolved soon.

Is history on Virgil’s side?

When Legazpi arrived in Cebu 44 years after Magellan’s early demise, he reported the miraculous finding of the Sto. Niño the day after, April 28, 1565, by a Spanish soldier named Juan de Camus. That is why for a long time during the early Spanish period, the feast of the Sto. Niño de Cebu was celebrated every April 28 until it became increasingly obvious that the celebration almost always fell on Holy Week, a period of sacrifice devoid of feasting. And so the date was moved to the third week of January. That much has changed but the myth of Magellan’s cross remains. Most glaringly, there is no feast of the finding of Magellan’s cross, something which should have been done if this was his cross indeed!

Nowhere in Legazpi’s report to the King Philip II nor of the subsequent reports coming out of Cebu do we find a mention of the finding of Magellan’s cross. Why? The answer is simple: No wooden cross would have survived the elements and the pogrom that followed the killing of Magellan and the double-cross that Sugbuanons made to the remainder of his fleet that decided to have a banquet with him thereafter.

So what are we to do with the present cross now found at the Kiosk? For starters, it is worthy to trace how this mythmaking began. It’s like the title of Sultan of Cebu given to Mayor Tom by a group of well-meaning but decidedly uninformed Maranaos (or was it Maguindanaos) living in Cebu. Somewhere along the way, someone forgot his or her history and made up something because Cebu, or the Visayas for that matter, was never Islamized–-–-there is no written record about it from Spanish chroniclers, nor do we see this in the archaeological record: Cebuanos buried their dead full of material goods and status markers, something explicitly disallowed by Islam, Christianity or Judaism.

So what are we to do now? There is no other recourse, of course, but to heed Virgil’s lamentations and take down that sign now.

That's why Val Sandiego performs the Kaplag with the Agustinians every April 28. I wonder how they researched the whole thing? Do the Agustinians have a written account of the finding of the Santo Niño?

Because I'm genuinely concerned about the historical correctness of a lot of our newly found traditions. If you can call the performing of the Kaplag THAT.
Who decides the veracity of an event? Or is that still important? Like the issue about the Magellan's Cross?

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 01:35 PM
Myth of Magellan’s Cross

By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 12:47:00 05/07/2009

Does Magellan’s Kiosk really contain the cross he planted on April 21, 1521?

Virgil N. dela Victoria, former chairman of the USC Department of History and now living in the United States, recently communicated to a high government official in Cebu regarding his lament over the following lines that appear at the bottom of the purported Cross of Magellan: “MAGELLAN’S CROSS: This Cross of Tindalo wood encases the original cross planted by Ferdinand Magellan on this very site April 21, 1521.”

As a historian, he cannot rest until the city, or whoever is charged with guarding Magellan’s Kiosk, makes the necessary correction stating in no uncertain terms that the cross that Magellan planted that day in 1521, has long been gone and cannot possibly be contained in that piece of tindalo. This has been his lament since he wrote a letter to Mayor Tomas Osmeña in 2005 and then again to Acting Mayor Mike Rama two years ago. In 2005, according to his most recent letter, he wrote the mayor while the Kiosk was still undergoing renovation. Now, even with the recently inaugurated Plaza Sugbu, the erroneous sign remains. . It was apparently put there by a 1967 group of tour operators who allegedly copied it from a sign that was there previously. Why it was placed there at all remains a mystery.

I agree with him in his suspicions – which he expressed in an article published in the U.S. entitled “Filipinas Magazine”– -that this may have something to do with drawing tourists as much as pilgrims to the site. After all, to have a cross standing since 1521, and one planted by the bold and brave explorer Magellan himself, is such a rare thing indeed –-a wonder to behold! But to carry out this pretense for far too long is something that any historian worth his salt can no longer stomach. And so this latest letter of Virgil will not be the last until this issue is resolved soon.

Is history on Virgil’s side?

When Legazpi arrived in Cebu 44 years after Magellan’s early demise, he reported the miraculous finding of the Sto. Niño the day after, April 28, 1565, by a Spanish soldier named Juan de Camus. That is why for a long time during the early Spanish period, the feast of the Sto. Niño de Cebu was celebrated every April 28 until it became increasingly obvious that the celebration almost always fell on Holy Week, a period of sacrifice devoid of feasting. And so the date was moved to the third week of January. That much has changed but the myth of Magellan’s cross remains. Most glaringly, there is no feast of the finding of Magellan’s cross, something which should have been done if this was his cross indeed!

Nowhere in Legazpi’s report to the King Philip II nor of the subsequent reports coming out of Cebu do we find a mention of the finding of Magellan’s cross. Why? The answer is simple: No wooden cross would have survived the elements and the pogrom that followed the killing of Magellan and the double-cross that Sugbuanons made to the remainder of his fleet that decided to have a banquet with him thereafter.

So what are we to do with the present cross now found at the Kiosk? For starters, it is worthy to trace how this mythmaking began. It’s like the title of Sultan of Cebu given to Mayor Tom by a group of well-meaning but decidedly uninformed Maranaos (or was it Maguindanaos) living in Cebu. Somewhere along the way, someone forgot his or her history and made up something because Cebu, or the Visayas for that matter, was never Islamized–-–-there is no written record about it from Spanish chroniclers, nor do we see this in the archaeological record: Cebuanos buried their dead full of material goods and status markers, something explicitly disallowed by Islam, Christianity or Judaism.

So what are we to do now? There is no other recourse, of course, but to heed Virgil’s lamentations and take down that sign now.

That's why Val Sandiego performs the Kaplag with the Agustinians every April 28. I wonder how they researched the whole thing? Do the Agustinians have a written account of the finding of the Santo Niño?

Because I'm genuinely concerned about the historical correctness of a lot of our newly found traditions. If you can call the performing of the Kaplag THAT.
Who decides the veracity of an event? Or is that still important? Like the issue about the Magellan's Cross?

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 01:41 PM
mao gyud. which is why the word sugbo became Cebu's name...sugbo in pre-hispanic Cebuano means to wade into a tidal flat or swampy ground. sugboonon would hve meant a place were you have tyo leave your boat to wade into a long tidal or swampy ground.

given this forbidding landscape, we might ask, why did Cebu become a thriving settlement by the end of the 1400s and by early 1500s?

Pigafetta said that the settlements were lining the shoreline, stretching from what is now present-day Mandaue to Talisay. And many of these houses were in fact on stilts or poles high above the water.

Also, only one side of the Fort was on water (as would be the most appropriate design for a seaside defense anywhere where Europeans built fortifications). It would be foolhardy to build a solid stone fort surrounded on all side by the sea, right?

The high tide encroaching on Fort San Pedro was probably due to later building up of silt and sand on rivers (due to deforestation with the building of galleons) and the expansion of the Cebu town, which choked many of the waterways.

Otherwise, why spend so much money and manpower on a fort that was flooded the whole time? Wouldn't the Spaniards have abandoned this a long, long time ago?

Except for some places where the seaside is "Kantilado" meaning the sea shelf
abruptly drops very near the shoreline, most of Cebu's seasides are "hunasan", or tidal flats as you say. Some are wider than most. The wider the better for easy picking of fish, sea shells, crabs and shrimps left behind by the tide.

It's nice to know that the city once had a wide "hunasan".

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 01:41 PM
mao gyud. which is why the word sugbo became Cebu's name...sugbo in pre-hispanic Cebuano means to wade into a tidal flat or swampy ground. sugboonon would hve meant a place were you have tyo leave your boat to wade into a long tidal or swampy ground.

given this forbidding landscape, we might ask, why did Cebu become a thriving settlement by the end of the 1400s and by early 1500s?

Pigafetta said that the settlements were lining the shoreline, stretching from what is now present-day Mandaue to Talisay. And many of these houses were in fact on stilts or poles high above the water.

Also, only one side of the Fort was on water (as would be the most appropriate design for a seaside defense anywhere where Europeans built fortifications). It would be foolhardy to build a solid stone fort surrounded on all side by the sea, right?

The high tide encroaching on Fort San Pedro was probably due to later building up of silt and sand on rivers (due to deforestation with the building of galleons) and the expansion of the Cebu town, which choked many of the waterways.

Otherwise, why spend so much money and manpower on a fort that was flooded the whole time? Wouldn't the Spaniards have abandoned this a long, long time ago?

Except for some places where the seaside is "Kantilado" meaning the sea shelf
abruptly drops very near the shoreline, most of Cebu's seasides are "hunasan", or tidal flats as you say. Some are wider than most. The wider the better for easy picking of fish, sea shells, crabs and shrimps left behind by the tide.

It's nice to know that the city once had a wide "hunasan".

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 01:44 PM
Delayed photos.

The blessing of the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the opening celebrations of the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu last April 28.

Thanks to Mr. and Mrs. Alix for letting me use their camera, hehehe.

MORE PHOTOS from my FLICKR, http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnoldcarl


Arrival of Cardinals Rosales and Vidal at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3503411507_a1df6a1f03.jpg


Church hierarchy
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/3503418121_b99bfde822.jpg


SSC forumers
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3504237170_b30a21d0ca.jpg


The cathedral of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3503425959_d1084446d8.jpg


Preparing to bless the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum (I think the garden will soon be available for wedding receptions, let's ask Ang_Karaang_Tawo, hehehe).
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3504240824_1105cf4ffa.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3504242730_6a9b0b2ace.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3504244794_c17c0f1ec0.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/3504247162_e304fd85ac.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3503440351_5133e850a3.jpg


The Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the Cebu Cathedral in the background, both built in the early 19th century.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3504249152_199b53766e.jpg

Thanks for posting the pictures! I wonder when the two others will post THEIR pictures from that day?

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 01:44 PM
Delayed photos.

The blessing of the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the opening celebrations of the 75th anniversary of the Archdiocese of Cebu last April 28.

Thanks to Mr. and Mrs. Alix for letting me use their camera, hehehe.

MORE PHOTOS from my FLICKR, http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnoldcarl


Arrival of Cardinals Rosales and Vidal at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3503411507_a1df6a1f03.jpg


Church hierarchy
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/3503418121_b99bfde822.jpg


SSC forumers
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3504237170_b30a21d0ca.jpg


The cathedral of Cebu
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3503425959_d1084446d8.jpg


Preparing to bless the Jubilee Garden at the Cathedral Museum (I think the garden will soon be available for wedding receptions, let's ask Ang_Karaang_Tawo, hehehe).
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3504240824_1105cf4ffa.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3504242730_6a9b0b2ace.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3504244794_c17c0f1ec0.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/3504247162_e304fd85ac.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3503440351_5133e850a3.jpg


The Cathedral Museum of Cebu and the Cebu Cathedral in the background, both built in the early 19th century.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3504249152_199b53766e.jpg

Thanks for posting the pictures! I wonder when the two others will post THEIR pictures from that day?

Sleepwalker
May 7th, 2009, 02:32 PM
Aw, mao ba diay. Actually, pareparehas ang style sa pagkabuhat ang wrought iron fence kay gisunod man ang sa Cathedral. Sa tinuod lang, wala gyud niy koral ang daang kombento. We just placed a fence for security sake. If we have to be authentic, wala gyuy fence unta.

Ang brick na pavement sa Cathedral is also not authentic. Wala na niadto if you look at the old pictures. Only the fence. But they spruced it up for the Jubilee.

Thanks for this, @Ang Karaang_Tawo..Just i heard sometime before that a "beautification" of the Cathedral Museum will be done after mahuman ang renovation/facelifting sa Cathedral.

Am just excited to see sa result sa effort sa mga tawo behind this development... :)

Sleepwalker
May 7th, 2009, 02:32 PM
Aw, mao ba diay. Actually, pareparehas ang style sa pagkabuhat ang wrought iron fence kay gisunod man ang sa Cathedral. Sa tinuod lang, wala gyud niy koral ang daang kombento. We just placed a fence for security sake. If we have to be authentic, wala gyuy fence unta.

Ang brick na pavement sa Cathedral is also not authentic. Wala na niadto if you look at the old pictures. Only the fence. But they spruced it up for the Jubilee.

Thanks for this, @Ang Karaang_Tawo..Just i heard sometime before that a "beautification" of the Cathedral Museum will be done after mahuman ang renovation/facelifting sa Cathedral.

Am just excited to see sa result sa effort sa mga tawo behind this development... :)

archaeologue
May 7th, 2009, 05:31 PM
That's why Val Sandiego performs the Kaplag with the Agustinians every April 28. I wonder how they researched the whole thing? Do the Agustinians have a written account of the finding of the Santo Niño?

Because I'm genuinely concerned about the historical correctness of a lot of our newly found traditions. If you can call the performing of the Kaplag THAT.
Who decides the veracity of an event? Or is that still important? Like the issue about the Magellan's Cross?

yes there is an account in Legazpi's Relacion (I think accessible in one of the Blair and Robertson volumes), also a report by Fray Urdaneta which is repeated in the Conquista de las Islas Filipinas by Fray Gaspar San Agustin (1668) and I think also in Pedro Chirino's Relacion de las Islas Filipinas (1609?)

A copy of the particular page in an unnamed source is actually reproduced in Vol. 3 of Kasaysayan, History of the Filipino People (Reader's Digest, 1998), p. 256 in a kind of illuminated writing style:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/stonino.jpg


(The 10-volume Kasaysayan is a "must buy, must read" for all heritage buffs...there is an auction set at P11,500 sa eBay---which is a bit cheaper thatn its P16,000 tag price.)


Actually the more debated issue regarding the Kaplag is where it happened, not so much whether it really happened.


You see, San Nicolas has been claiming since the 1960s or so that Magellan---and later Legazpi---docked their ships on their side near the Guadalupe/Fagina River and that the Cross and the Sto Nino (as well as the original Sto. Nino Chapel) are to be found somewhere in San Nicolas.

Following this logic, the original Fort San Pedro built inside Villa San Miguel, would also have been somewhere in San Nicolas.


Now, why the Spanish enclave of Villa San Miguel was moved north of the Fagina River (today's Plaza Sugbu stretching to Plaza Independencia up to Parian) has never been adequately explained by the "pro-San Nicolas" adherents.


Unfortunately for San Nicolas, the archaeological evidence thus far is on the side of the antis.

archaeologue
May 7th, 2009, 05:31 PM
That's why Val Sandiego performs the Kaplag with the Agustinians every April 28. I wonder how they researched the whole thing? Do the Agustinians have a written account of the finding of the Santo Niño?

Because I'm genuinely concerned about the historical correctness of a lot of our newly found traditions. If you can call the performing of the Kaplag THAT.
Who decides the veracity of an event? Or is that still important? Like the issue about the Magellan's Cross?

yes there is an account in Legazpi's Relacion (I think accessible in one of the Blair and Robertson volumes), also a report by Fray Urdaneta which is repeated in the Conquista de las Islas Filipinas by Fray Gaspar San Agustin (1668) and I think also in Pedro Chirino's Relacion de las Islas Filipinas (1609?)

A copy of the particular page in an unnamed source is actually reproduced in Vol. 3 of Kasaysayan, History of the Filipino People (Reader's Digest, 1998), p. 256 in a kind of illuminated writing style:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/stonino.jpg


(The 10-volume Kasaysayan is a "must buy, must read" for all heritage buffs...there is an auction set at P11,500 sa eBay---which is a bit cheaper thatn its P16,000 tag price.)


Actually the more debated issue regarding the Kaplag is where it happened, not so much whether it really happened.


You see, San Nicolas has been claiming since the 1960s or so that Magellan---and later Legazpi---docked their ships on their side near the Guadalupe/Fagina River and that the Cross and the Sto Nino (as well as the original Sto. Nino Chapel) are to be found somewhere in San Nicolas.

Following this logic, the original Fort San Pedro built inside Villa San Miguel, would also have been somewhere in San Nicolas.


Now, why the Spanish enclave of Villa San Miguel was moved north of the Fagina River (today's Plaza Sugbu stretching to Plaza Independencia up to Parian) has never been adequately explained by the "pro-San Nicolas" adherents.


Unfortunately for San Nicolas, the archaeological evidence thus far is on the side of the antis.

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 06:00 PM
yes there is an account in Legazpi's Relacion (I think accessible in one of the Blair and Robertson volumes), also a report by Fray Urdaneta which is repeated in the Conquista de las Islas Filipinas by Fray Gaspar San Agustin (1668) and I think also in Pedro Chirino's Relacion de las Islas Filipinas (1609?)

A copy of the particular page in an unnamed source is actually reproduced in Vol. 3 of Kasaysayan, History of the Filipino People (Reader's Digest, 1998), p. 256 in a kind of illuminated writing style:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/stonino.jpg


The 10-volume Kasaysayan is a "must buy, must read" for all heritage buffs...there is an auction set at P11,500 sa eBay---which is a bit cheaper thatn its P16,000 tag price.

Actually the more debated issue regarding the Kaplag is where it happened, not so much whether it really happened.

You see, San Nicolas has been claiming since the 1960s or so that Magellan---and later Legazpi---docked their ships on their side near the Guadalupe/Fagina River and that the Cross and the Sto Nino (as well as the original Sto. Nino Chapel) are to be found somewhere in San Nicolas.

Following this logic, the original Fort San Pedro built on Villa San Miguel, would also have been somewhere in San Nicolas.

Now, why the Spanish enclave of Villa San Miguel, was moved north of the Fagina River (today's Plaza Sugbu stretching to Plaza Independencia up to Parian) has never been adequately explained by the "pro-San Nicolas" adherents.

Wow! This is marvelous! I have to save up for this set then. I wonder if our archives should purchase this set though?

Ang Karaang Tawo
May 7th, 2009, 06:00 PM
yes there is an account in Legazpi's Relacion (I think accessible in one of the Blair and Robertson volumes), also a report by Fray Urdaneta which is repeated in the Conquista de las Islas Filipinas by Fray Gaspar San Agustin (1668) and I think also in Pedro Chirino's Relacion de las Islas Filipinas (1609?)

A copy of the particular page in an unnamed source is actually reproduced in Vol. 3 of Kasaysayan, History of the Filipino People (Reader's Digest, 1998), p. 256 in a kind of illuminated writing style:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/stonino.jpg


The 10-volume Kasaysayan is a "must buy, must read" for all heritage buffs...there is an auction set at P11,500 sa eBay---which is a bit cheaper thatn its P16,000 tag price.

Actually the more debated issue regarding the Kaplag is where it happened, not so much whether it really happened.

You see, San Nicolas has been claiming since the 1960s or so that Magellan---and later Legazpi---docked their ships on their side near the Guadalupe/Fagina River and that the Cross and the Sto Nino (as well as the original Sto. Nino Chapel) are to be found somewhere in San Nicolas.

Following this logic, the original Fort San Pedro built on Villa San Miguel, would also have been somewhere in San Nicolas.

Now, why the Spanish enclave of Villa San Miguel, was moved north of the Fagina River (today's Plaza Sugbu stretching to Plaza Independencia up to Parian) has never been adequately explained by the "pro-San Nicolas" adherents.

Wow! This is marvelous! I have to save up for this set then. I wonder if our archives should purchase this set though?

SleMarKen
May 8th, 2009, 01:53 AM
Thanks for posting the pictures! I wonder when the two others will post THEIR pictures from that day?

dugay na napost dri... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorensgibb/

SleMarKen
May 8th, 2009, 01:53 AM
Thanks for posting the pictures! I wonder when the two others will post THEIR pictures from that day?

dugay na napost dri... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorensgibb/

archaeologue
May 8th, 2009, 02:00 AM
Wow! This is marvelous! I have to save up for this set then. I wonder if our archives should purchase this set though?


Yes, Ma'am Loy, you should buy a set. Hapit na na ma-rare.

Kumusta na ang Archbishop Reyes memorabilia?

Madayon ta karon Saturday afternoon?

archaeologue
May 8th, 2009, 02:00 AM
Wow! This is marvelous! I have to save up for this set then. I wonder if our archives should purchase this set though?


Yes, Ma'am Loy, you should buy a set. Hapit na na ma-rare.

Kumusta na ang Archbishop Reyes memorabilia?

Madayon ta karon Saturday afternoon?

Sleepwalker
May 8th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Just for those who are intereset... :)

A World War II American veteran's naration of his experience being a soldier fighting a war in Cebu.

Harold Sargent Recalls His Days of Combat on Cebu Island During World War II (http://www.historynet.com/harold-sargent-recalls-his-days-of-combat-on-cebu-island-during-world-war-ii.htm)

Sleepwalker
May 8th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Just for those who are intereset... :)

A World War II American veteran's naration of his experience being a soldier fighting a war in Cebu.

Harold Sargent Recalls His Days of Combat on Cebu Island During World War II (http://www.historynet.com/harold-sargent-recalls-his-days-of-combat-on-cebu-island-during-world-war-ii.htm)

LordCarnal
May 8th, 2009, 02:54 PM
maybe the people at San Nicolas based their story on this article written in 1983.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/IMG_1095_small.jpg

LordCarnal
May 8th, 2009, 02:54 PM
maybe the people at San Nicolas based their story on this article written in 1983.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/IMG_1095_small.jpg

archaeologue
May 8th, 2009, 05:07 PM
^^ ^^

hmmmm... interesting...very interesting...but Astrid Sala-Boza has a counterfactual to this, published in the Sept. 2006 issue of the Philippine Quarterly of Culture and Society (by San Carlos Publications).



Interestingly, the 1830 map of Cebu actually shows a sketch of what appears to be a tiny watchtower. But what is more intriguing is that it is marked something like "ruins of Legazpi's old fort"...but this is not in San Nicolas. It is a few meters north of Fagina River, somewhere near Gasiano South or near Vision Theater! tsk! tsk!

Thanks, nold, for this article. I think this is the one issued by the church with the pinkish cover no?

archaeologue
May 8th, 2009, 05:07 PM
^^ ^^

hmmmm... interesting...very interesting...but Astrid Sala-Boza has a counterfactual to this, published in the Sept. 2006 issue of the Philippine Quarterly of Culture and Society (by San Carlos Publications).



Interestingly, the 1830 map of Cebu actually shows a sketch of what appears to be a tiny watchtower. But what is more intriguing is that it is marked something like "ruins of Legazpi's old fort"...but this is not in San Nicolas. It is a few meters north of Fagina River, somewhere near Gasiano South or near Vision Theater! tsk! tsk!

Thanks, nold, for this article. I think this is the one issued by the church with the pinkish cover no?

Taga Bogo
May 8th, 2009, 06:47 PM
with all due apologies to archaeologue, LordCarnal, Sleepwalker and the rest who are having topics on Magellan;s cross and san nicholas.

Will cut in for some picture repost per request by maayomo

these photos are the same ones I had digital copies made for archaeologue

Cebu autobus truck number 78 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck78.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 88 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck88.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 168 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck168.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 75 bound for Daan Bantayan circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-DaanBantayan-Truck75.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 68 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck68.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 69 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck69.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 81 bound for Tabogon circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Tabogon-Truck81.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 169 bound for Toledo circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Toledo-Truck169.jpg

Taga Bogo
May 8th, 2009, 06:47 PM
with all due apologies to archaeologue, LordCarnal, Sleepwalker and the rest who are having topics on Magellan;s cross and san nicholas.

Will cut in for some picture repost per request by maayomo

these photos are the same ones I had digital copies made for archaeologue

Cebu autobus truck number 78 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck78.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 88 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck88.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 168 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck168.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 75 bound for Daan Bantayan circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-DaanBantayan-Truck75.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 68 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck68.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 69 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck69.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 81 bound for Tabogon circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Tabogon-Truck81.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 169 bound for Toledo circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Toledo-Truck169.jpg

gee
May 8th, 2009, 11:23 PM
with all due apologies to archaeologue, LordCarnal, Sleepwalker and the rest who are having topics on Magellan;s cross and san nicholas.

Will cut in for some picture repost per request by maayomo

these photos are the same ones I had digital copies made for archaeologue

Cebu autobus truck number 78 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck78.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 88 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck88.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 168 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck168.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 75 bound for Daan Bantayan circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-DaanBantayan-Truck75.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 68 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck68.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 69 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck69.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 81 bound for Tabogon circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Tabogon-Truck81.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 169 bound for Toledo circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Toledo-Truck169.jpg

Republic of the Philippines
SUPREME COURT
Manila

EN BANC

G.R. Nos. L-45690 and 45691 July 30, 1938

CEBU AUTOBUS COMPANY, petitioner-appellant,
vs.
SOLEDAD VIUDA DE LOZANO, respondent-appellee.

Vicente J. Francisco for appellant.
Miguel Cuenco and Nicolas Belmonte for appellee.

VILLA-REAL, J.:

The Cebu Autobus Company appeals to this court to review the decision of the Public Service Commission, rendered on May 5, 1937, in cases Nos. 48193 and 48503, confirming two orders thereof, the first of which, that of January 20, 1937, authorized the respondent Soledad Viuda de Lozano to register five new autotrucks, and the second, that of February 24, 1937, allowed her to increase her equipment by five autotrucks.

In support of its appeal, the petitioner assigns as sole error, allegedly committed by the Public Service Commission, the fact that the latter confirmed its two aforesaid orders in the two cases now before us.

Pelagio Lozano during his lifetime held as owner three certificates of public convenience, issued in his favor in cases Nos. 17510, 16741 and 16180 of the Public Service Commission. Upon his death he was succeeded in the possession of said certificates by his intestate, represented by his surviving spouse, the herein respondent Soledad Viuda de Lozano, as special administratrix, who continued to manage the public service land transportation business of her deceased husband under the aforesaid certificates of public convenience. As such special administratrix, Soledad Viuda de Lozano applied for and obtained from the Court of First Instance of Cebu, which took cognizance of the intestate of her deceased husband, authority to sell the said transportation business known as the Lozano Transportation. Pedro M. Velez acquired it by purchase, which was approved by the said court, and later conveyed his rights to the Filipino Bus Company, which, in turn transferred them to the herein petitioner Cebu Autobus Company.

Subsequently, the minor children of the deceased Pelagio Lozano asked for and obtained from the Court of First Instance of Cebu the annulment of the order authorizing the aforesaid sale in favor of Pedro M. Velez.

The herein petitioner Cebu Autobus Company, holder of the aforementioned certificates of public convenience of the Lozano Transportation, appealed from the decision of the Court of First Instance of Cebu to the Court of Appeals (Special Proceeding No. 1275, C.A., No. 1206). This appeal is still pending.

In the meantime, the said minor children of Pelagio Lozano filed in cases Nos. 27271, 38326, 41585, 42779 and 43059 of the Public Service Commission, a motion dated August 19, 1936, wherein they asked (1) that the Cebu Autobus Company be declared without legal title to operate the autotruck business of the intestate of Pelagio Lozano because it has not been authorized by the commission; (2) that the Filipino Bus Company be also declared not to have acquired any legal title over the said business because the commission has not approved its transfer of said company made by Pedro M. Velez; (3) that the fusion � provisionally approved by the commission � of the Filipino Bus Company and the Cebu Autobus Company (Case No. 41585), be definitely denied, because it is contrary to laws prohibiting monopoly, to the Public Service law and to the Constitution of the Philippines; (4) that the approval of the sale of the Lozano Transportation business made by the widow of Lozano to Pedro M. Velez, approved provisionally by the commission (Case No. 27271), be definitely denied; (5) that the approval of the conveyance of the same business, made by Pedro M. Velez in favor of the Filipino Bus Company (Case No. 43059) be definitely denied; and (6) that the Cebu Autobus Company, the Filipino Bus Company and Pedro M. Velez be prohibited from operating the business of the Lozano Transportation and the administratrix of the intestate of Pelagio Lozano be authorized to operate said business under the certificates of public convenience issued in favor of the deceased Pelagio Lozano.

In its decision of November 3, 1936, rendered in the aforecited five cases, which were jointly heard, the Public Service Commission (1) definitely disapproved the conveyance of the Lozano Transportation business in favor of Pedro M. Velez; (2) held that the conveyance of said business from Velez to the Filipino Bus Company and from the latter to the Cebu Autobus Company were made without the approval of the Public Service Commission; and (3) also held that the Cebu Autobus Company is without right to operate said business under the aforesaid certificates of public convenience, ordering at the same time that its decision become effective and executory from the date of its promulgation.

The Cebu Autobus Company asked this court, in its petition of December 9, 1936, to review the decision last mentioned (G.R. Nos. 45393, 45394 and 45395).

While the application to review the said decision of November 3, 1936, was pending decision, the respondent Soledad Viuda de Lozano, in her capacity as special administratrix of the estate of her deceased husband, Pelagio Lozano, filed two applicants with the Public Service Commission registered as cases Nos. 48193 and 48503, respectively, in the first of which she asked the commission for authority to register five new autotrucks, and in the second, to increase her equipment by five autotrucks, basing her right to do so on the same certificates of public convenience, issued in cases Nos. 17515, 16741 and 16180, the validity of the conveyance of which is the question raised by the aforesaid minors in their said motion of August 19, 1936, and is the same one discussed in the petition for review filed in cases G.R. Nos. 45393, 45394 and 45395 referred to above.

Passing upon the aforesaid applications, the commission issued on January 20, 1937, in case No. 48193, an order wherein it acceded to the application of the respondent to register five new autotrucks, and another in case No. 48503, dated February 24, 1937, wherein it authorized the respondent to increase her equipment by five autotrucks. 1�vvph�l.n�t

On being informed of the issuance of the aforesaid orders, the Cebu Autobus Company filed a separate protest and a motion to revoke the same, which protests and motions to revoke were jointly set for trial. Once set for trial and the parties having submitted their evidence, the commission, in decision of May 5, 1937, copy of which was received by the petitioner on May 12, 1937, confirmed its two former orders of January 20 and February 24, 1937, respectively, in said cases Nos. 48193 and 48503.

In a decision dated June 27, 1938, rendered in cases G.R. Nos. 45393, 45394 and 45395, this court affirmed the decision of the Public service Commission of November 3, 1936, rendered in the five cases Nos. 27271, 38326, 41585, 42779 and 43059 of the aforesaid commission which were jointly tried.

The only question to be decided in this application for review is whether the Public Service Commission erred in confirming its two orders of January 20 and February 24, 1937, respectively, issued in cases Nos. 48193 and 48503, in the first of which it authorized the respondent Soledad Viuda de Lozano to register five autotrucks, and in the second of which it authorized the increase of her equipment by the addition of five autotrucks. Section 16, paragraph (h), of Act No. 3108, provides as follows:

SEC. 16. No public utility as herein defined shall:

x x x x x x x x x

(h) Without the approval of the Public Utility Commission first had, sell, alienate, mortgage, encumber, or lease its property franchises, privileges, or rights, or any part thereof; nor merge or consolidate its property, franchises, privileges or rights, or any part thereof, with that of any other public utility as herein defined. The approval herein required shall be given, after notice to the public and after hearing the persons interested at a public hearing, if it be shown that there are just and reasonable grounds for making the sale, alienation, mortgage, or encumbrance for liabilities of more than one year maturity, lease, merger, or consolidation to be approved, and that the same are not detrimental to the public interest, and in case of a sale, the date on which the same is to be consummated shall be fixed in the order of approval: Provided, however, That the sale, alienation, mortgage or encumbrance, and lease of the property of public utilities which, on account of the nature and conditions of their business, are, in the judgment of the Commission, of little importance to the public interest, shall be exempt from the requisite of the approval of the Commission; but the public utilities shall in every case give notice of these transactions to the Commission. Any sale, alienation, mortgage or encumbrance, lease, fusion or consolidation made without the approval herein required shall be null and void: Provided, further, That nothing herein contained shall be construed to prevent the sale, alienation, or lease by any public utility of any of its property in the ordinary course of its business.

Interpreting the aforequoted legal provision in the case of Zamboanga Transportation Co. vs. Public Utility Commission (50 Phil., 237, 239), this court said:

It will be seen that the legal provision above quoted prohibits a public utility as defined by said law, from mortgaging its properties, franchises or rights, or any part thereof, without first obtaining the approval of the Public Utility Commission and provides that any mortgage or lien created without said approval, shall be null and void.

In the case before us, the Public Service Commission, after provisionally approving the sale made in favor of Pedro M. Velez of the three certificates of public convenience, issued in favor of Pelagio Lozano, by his surviving spouse, Soledad Viuda de Lozano, in her capacity as special administratrix of the properties left by her deceased husband, with the court's approval, disapproved it upon motion of the minor children of said deceased, represented by their guardian ad litem, and the herein petitioner, who had acquired the rights of the Filipino Bus Company, who in turn had acquired the same from Pedro M. Velez, appealed to and sought a review from this court. In its decision of June 27, 1938, this court affirmed the order sought to be reviewed.

By substituting the word "mortgage" in lieu of the word "sale" in the case of Zamboanga Transportation Co. vs. Public Utility Commission, supra, we can say, in accordance with the decision rendered therein, that the sale of certificate of public convenience cannot be made without the previous approval of the Public Service Commission, and that the sale made without said approval of the sale here in question gave thereto also provisional validity; but having been definitely disapproved thereafter, the aforesaid sale became void and without value, as did the legal effect which had been provisionally produced by the conveyance to Pedro M. Velez of the rights of Pelagio Lozano in the three certificates of public convenience issued in the latter's favor while living, the said three certificates of public convenience regaining their former juridical status before their conveyance; and the respondent, Soledad Viuda de Lozano, in her capacity as special administratrix of the properties left by her deceased husband, could continue the operation of the business under the style Lozano Transportation, and the Public Service Commission could issue the orders which it should deem convenient in the interest of the public relative to said certificates, pursuant to the procedure marked out by law.

The Public Service Commission has not, therefore, erred in authorizing the respondent, Soledad Viuda de Lozano, to register five new autotrucks and to increase her equipment by another five.

In view of the foregoing considerations, we are of the opinion and so hold that the sale of a certificate of public convenience to establish and operate a land transportation business has no legal effect without the approval of the Public Service Commission; and its provisional approval only gives it provisional validity, and once definitely disapproved, said sale becomes void and without value or effect.

Wherefore, finding no error in the appealed decision, the same is affirmed in toto, with the costs to the appellant. So ordered.

Avance�a, C.J., Abad Santos, Imperial, Diaz, Laurel and Concepcion, JJ., concur.

http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri1938/jul1938/gr_l-45690_1938.html

gee
May 8th, 2009, 11:23 PM
with all due apologies to archaeologue, LordCarnal, Sleepwalker and the rest who are having topics on Magellan;s cross and san nicholas.

Will cut in for some picture repost per request by maayomo

these photos are the same ones I had digital copies made for archaeologue

Cebu autobus truck number 78 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck78.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 88 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck88.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 168 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck168.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 75 bound for Daan Bantayan circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-DaanBantayan-Truck75.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 68 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck68.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 69 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck69.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 81 bound for Tabogon circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Tabogon-Truck81.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 169 bound for Toledo circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Toledo-Truck169.jpg

Republic of the Philippines
SUPREME COURT
Manila

EN BANC

G.R. Nos. L-45690 and 45691 July 30, 1938

CEBU AUTOBUS COMPANY, petitioner-appellant,
vs.
SOLEDAD VIUDA DE LOZANO, respondent-appellee.

Vicente J. Francisco for appellant.
Miguel Cuenco and Nicolas Belmonte for appellee.

VILLA-REAL, J.:

The Cebu Autobus Company appeals to this court to review the decision of the Public Service Commission, rendered on May 5, 1937, in cases Nos. 48193 and 48503, confirming two orders thereof, the first of which, that of January 20, 1937, authorized the respondent Soledad Viuda de Lozano to register five new autotrucks, and the second, that of February 24, 1937, allowed her to increase her equipment by five autotrucks.

In support of its appeal, the petitioner assigns as sole error, allegedly committed by the Public Service Commission, the fact that the latter confirmed its two aforesaid orders in the two cases now before us.

Pelagio Lozano during his lifetime held as owner three certificates of public convenience, issued in his favor in cases Nos. 17510, 16741 and 16180 of the Public Service Commission. Upon his death he was succeeded in the possession of said certificates by his intestate, represented by his surviving spouse, the herein respondent Soledad Viuda de Lozano, as special administratrix, who continued to manage the public service land transportation business of her deceased husband under the aforesaid certificates of public convenience. As such special administratrix, Soledad Viuda de Lozano applied for and obtained from the Court of First Instance of Cebu, which took cognizance of the intestate of her deceased husband, authority to sell the said transportation business known as the Lozano Transportation. Pedro M. Velez acquired it by purchase, which was approved by the said court, and later conveyed his rights to the Filipino Bus Company, which, in turn transferred them to the herein petitioner Cebu Autobus Company.

Subsequently, the minor children of the deceased Pelagio Lozano asked for and obtained from the Court of First Instance of Cebu the annulment of the order authorizing the aforesaid sale in favor of Pedro M. Velez.

The herein petitioner Cebu Autobus Company, holder of the aforementioned certificates of public convenience of the Lozano Transportation, appealed from the decision of the Court of First Instance of Cebu to the Court of Appeals (Special Proceeding No. 1275, C.A., No. 1206). This appeal is still pending.

In the meantime, the said minor children of Pelagio Lozano filed in cases Nos. 27271, 38326, 41585, 42779 and 43059 of the Public Service Commission, a motion dated August 19, 1936, wherein they asked (1) that the Cebu Autobus Company be declared without legal title to operate the autotruck business of the intestate of Pelagio Lozano because it has not been authorized by the commission; (2) that the Filipino Bus Company be also declared not to have acquired any legal title over the said business because the commission has not approved its transfer of said company made by Pedro M. Velez; (3) that the fusion � provisionally approved by the commission � of the Filipino Bus Company and the Cebu Autobus Company (Case No. 41585), be definitely denied, because it is contrary to laws prohibiting monopoly, to the Public Service law and to the Constitution of the Philippines; (4) that the approval of the sale of the Lozano Transportation business made by the widow of Lozano to Pedro M. Velez, approved provisionally by the commission (Case No. 27271), be definitely denied; (5) that the approval of the conveyance of the same business, made by Pedro M. Velez in favor of the Filipino Bus Company (Case No. 43059) be definitely denied; and (6) that the Cebu Autobus Company, the Filipino Bus Company and Pedro M. Velez be prohibited from operating the business of the Lozano Transportation and the administratrix of the intestate of Pelagio Lozano be authorized to operate said business under the certificates of public convenience issued in favor of the deceased Pelagio Lozano.

In its decision of November 3, 1936, rendered in the aforecited five cases, which were jointly heard, the Public Service Commission (1) definitely disapproved the conveyance of the Lozano Transportation business in favor of Pedro M. Velez; (2) held that the conveyance of said business from Velez to the Filipino Bus Company and from the latter to the Cebu Autobus Company were made without the approval of the Public Service Commission; and (3) also held that the Cebu Autobus Company is without right to operate said business under the aforesaid certificates of public convenience, ordering at the same time that its decision become effective and executory from the date of its promulgation.

The Cebu Autobus Company asked this court, in its petition of December 9, 1936, to review the decision last mentioned (G.R. Nos. 45393, 45394 and 45395).

While the application to review the said decision of November 3, 1936, was pending decision, the respondent Soledad Viuda de Lozano, in her capacity as special administratrix of the estate of her deceased husband, Pelagio Lozano, filed two applicants with the Public Service Commission registered as cases Nos. 48193 and 48503, respectively, in the first of which she asked the commission for authority to register five new autotrucks, and in the second, to increase her equipment by five autotrucks, basing her right to do so on the same certificates of public convenience, issued in cases Nos. 17515, 16741 and 16180, the validity of the conveyance of which is the question raised by the aforesaid minors in their said motion of August 19, 1936, and is the same one discussed in the petition for review filed in cases G.R. Nos. 45393, 45394 and 45395 referred to above.

Passing upon the aforesaid applications, the commission issued on January 20, 1937, in case No. 48193, an order wherein it acceded to the application of the respondent to register five new autotrucks, and another in case No. 48503, dated February 24, 1937, wherein it authorized the respondent to increase her equipment by five autotrucks. 1�vvph�l.n�t

On being informed of the issuance of the aforesaid orders, the Cebu Autobus Company filed a separate protest and a motion to revoke the same, which protests and motions to revoke were jointly set for trial. Once set for trial and the parties having submitted their evidence, the commission, in decision of May 5, 1937, copy of which was received by the petitioner on May 12, 1937, confirmed its two former orders of January 20 and February 24, 1937, respectively, in said cases Nos. 48193 and 48503.

In a decision dated June 27, 1938, rendered in cases G.R. Nos. 45393, 45394 and 45395, this court affirmed the decision of the Public service Commission of November 3, 1936, rendered in the five cases Nos. 27271, 38326, 41585, 42779 and 43059 of the aforesaid commission which were jointly tried.

The only question to be decided in this application for review is whether the Public Service Commission erred in confirming its two orders of January 20 and February 24, 1937, respectively, issued in cases Nos. 48193 and 48503, in the first of which it authorized the respondent Soledad Viuda de Lozano to register five autotrucks, and in the second of which it authorized the increase of her equipment by the addition of five autotrucks. Section 16, paragraph (h), of Act No. 3108, provides as follows:

SEC. 16. No public utility as herein defined shall:

x x x x x x x x x

(h) Without the approval of the Public Utility Commission first had, sell, alienate, mortgage, encumber, or lease its property franchises, privileges, or rights, or any part thereof; nor merge or consolidate its property, franchises, privileges or rights, or any part thereof, with that of any other public utility as herein defined. The approval herein required shall be given, after notice to the public and after hearing the persons interested at a public hearing, if it be shown that there are just and reasonable grounds for making the sale, alienation, mortgage, or encumbrance for liabilities of more than one year maturity, lease, merger, or consolidation to be approved, and that the same are not detrimental to the public interest, and in case of a sale, the date on which the same is to be consummated shall be fixed in the order of approval: Provided, however, That the sale, alienation, mortgage or encumbrance, and lease of the property of public utilities which, on account of the nature and conditions of their business, are, in the judgment of the Commission, of little importance to the public interest, shall be exempt from the requisite of the approval of the Commission; but the public utilities shall in every case give notice of these transactions to the Commission. Any sale, alienation, mortgage or encumbrance, lease, fusion or consolidation made without the approval herein required shall be null and void: Provided, further, That nothing herein contained shall be construed to prevent the sale, alienation, or lease by any public utility of any of its property in the ordinary course of its business.

Interpreting the aforequoted legal provision in the case of Zamboanga Transportation Co. vs. Public Utility Commission (50 Phil., 237, 239), this court said:

It will be seen that the legal provision above quoted prohibits a public utility as defined by said law, from mortgaging its properties, franchises or rights, or any part thereof, without first obtaining the approval of the Public Utility Commission and provides that any mortgage or lien created without said approval, shall be null and void.

In the case before us, the Public Service Commission, after provisionally approving the sale made in favor of Pedro M. Velez of the three certificates of public convenience, issued in favor of Pelagio Lozano, by his surviving spouse, Soledad Viuda de Lozano, in her capacity as special administratrix of the properties left by her deceased husband, with the court's approval, disapproved it upon motion of the minor children of said deceased, represented by their guardian ad litem, and the herein petitioner, who had acquired the rights of the Filipino Bus Company, who in turn had acquired the same from Pedro M. Velez, appealed to and sought a review from this court. In its decision of June 27, 1938, this court affirmed the order sought to be reviewed.

By substituting the word "mortgage" in lieu of the word "sale" in the case of Zamboanga Transportation Co. vs. Public Utility Commission, supra, we can say, in accordance with the decision rendered therein, that the sale of certificate of public convenience cannot be made without the previous approval of the Public Service Commission, and that the sale made without said approval of the sale here in question gave thereto also provisional validity; but having been definitely disapproved thereafter, the aforesaid sale became void and without value, as did the legal effect which had been provisionally produced by the conveyance to Pedro M. Velez of the rights of Pelagio Lozano in the three certificates of public convenience issued in the latter's favor while living, the said three certificates of public convenience regaining their former juridical status before their conveyance; and the respondent, Soledad Viuda de Lozano, in her capacity as special administratrix of the properties left by her deceased husband, could continue the operation of the business under the style Lozano Transportation, and the Public Service Commission could issue the orders which it should deem convenient in the interest of the public relative to said certificates, pursuant to the procedure marked out by law.

The Public Service Commission has not, therefore, erred in authorizing the respondent, Soledad Viuda de Lozano, to register five new autotrucks and to increase her equipment by another five.

In view of the foregoing considerations, we are of the opinion and so hold that the sale of a certificate of public convenience to establish and operate a land transportation business has no legal effect without the approval of the Public Service Commission; and its provisional approval only gives it provisional validity, and once definitely disapproved, said sale becomes void and without value or effect.

Wherefore, finding no error in the appealed decision, the same is affirmed in toto, with the costs to the appellant. So ordered.

Avance�a, C.J., Abad Santos, Imperial, Diaz, Laurel and Concepcion, JJ., concur.

http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri1938/jul1938/gr_l-45690_1938.html

maayomo
May 9th, 2009, 03:19 AM
There you are, Arnold, there's Bishop Cantillas!:banana:

Hala, kahinumdum man ko ani niya. Once, he celebrated the high mass pag fiesta sa Our Lady of Perpetual Help (Redemptorist) and I served as sacristan. Thirteen years ago na ang milabay. Auxiliary Bishop man ata to ang term or something.

maayomo
May 9th, 2009, 03:19 AM
There you are, Arnold, there's Bishop Cantillas!:banana:

Hala, kahinumdum man ko ani niya. Once, he celebrated the high mass pag fiesta sa Our Lady of Perpetual Help (Redemptorist) and I served as sacristan. Thirteen years ago na ang milabay. Auxiliary Bishop man ata to ang term or something.

maayomo
May 9th, 2009, 03:23 AM
with all due apologies to archaeologue, LordCarnal, Sleepwalker and the rest who are having topics on Magellan;s cross and san nicholas.

Will cut in for some picture repost per request by maayomo

these photos are the same ones I had digital copies made for archaeologue

Cebu autobus truck number 78 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck78.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 88 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck88.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 168 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck168.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 75 bound for Daan Bantayan circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-DaanBantayan-Truck75.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 68 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck68.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 69 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck69.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 81 bound for Tabogon circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Tabogon-Truck81.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 169 bound for Toledo circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Toledo-Truck169.jpg



Bai, salamat kaayo for granting may request and posting these photos.

Nindot hunahunaon na once upon a time, ing-ani pa ug hitsura ang autobus. : )

maayomo
May 9th, 2009, 03:23 AM
with all due apologies to archaeologue, LordCarnal, Sleepwalker and the rest who are having topics on Magellan;s cross and san nicholas.

Will cut in for some picture repost per request by maayomo

these photos are the same ones I had digital copies made for archaeologue

Cebu autobus truck number 78 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck78.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 88 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck88.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 168 bound for Cebu circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Cebu-Truck168.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 75 bound for Daan Bantayan circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-DaanBantayan-Truck75.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 68 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck68.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 69 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck69.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 81 bound for Tabogon circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Tabogon-Truck81.jpg

Cebu autobus truck number 169 bound for Toledo circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Toledo-Truck169.jpg



Bai, salamat kaayo for granting may request and posting these photos.

Nindot hunahunaon na once upon a time, ing-ani pa ug hitsura ang autobus. : )

Sleepwalker
May 9th, 2009, 03:40 AM
^^Asa na kaha ni karon nga mga bus no? Pang museum na unta ni... :)

Sir @Taga-Bogo, is this Cebu Autobus the ancestor of the present day Cebu Autobus plying the northern route of Cebu?

Sleepwalker
May 9th, 2009, 03:40 AM
^^Asa na kaha ni karon nga mga bus no? Pang museum na unta ni... :)

Sir @Taga-Bogo, is this Cebu Autobus the ancestor of the present day Cebu Autobus plying the northern route of Cebu?

Taga Bogo
May 9th, 2009, 03:53 AM
Bai, salamat kaayo for granting may request and posting these photos.

Nindot hunahunaon na once upon a time, ing-ani pa ug hitsura ang autobus. : )

the norms of the day was very different. Some of the bus's seat back support are made of wooven rattan strips (uway) for ventilation. Though aeration was a consideration practically all of the truck personnel are wearing long sleeves, some are wearing coats (amekana) and tie. Heat and coats are a contradiction. as the saying goes "little brown americans"

Taga Bogo
May 9th, 2009, 03:53 AM
Bai, salamat kaayo for granting may request and posting these photos.

Nindot hunahunaon na once upon a time, ing-ani pa ug hitsura ang autobus. : )

the norms of the day was very different. Some of the bus's seat back support are made of wooven rattan strips (uway) for ventilation. Though aeration was a consideration practically all of the truck personnel are wearing long sleeves, some are wearing coats (amekana) and tie. Heat and coats are a contradiction. as the saying goes "little brown americans"

Taga Bogo
May 9th, 2009, 03:59 AM
^^Asa na kaha ni karon nga mga bus no? Pang museum na unta ni... :)

Sir @Taga-Bogo, is this Cebu Autobus the ancestor of the present day Cebu Autobus plying the northern route of Cebu?

as i often mention ayaw lang SIR uy, dili man SIRGIO akong ngan, si Marimar ra man naay SIRGIO :)

To be honest, gawas sa nagtinapolan :) ingnon ta lang pirmi kuwang ug horas, I still have not finished tracing ownership from the start.

Taga Bogo
May 9th, 2009, 03:59 AM
^^Asa na kaha ni karon nga mga bus no? Pang museum na unta ni... :)

Sir @Taga-Bogo, is this Cebu Autobus the ancestor of the present day Cebu Autobus plying the northern route of Cebu?

as i often mention ayaw lang SIR uy, dili man SIRGIO akong ngan, si Marimar ra man naay SIRGIO :)

To be honest, gawas sa nagtinapolan :) ingnon ta lang pirmi kuwang ug horas, I still have not finished tracing ownership from the start.

Sleepwalker
May 9th, 2009, 04:21 AM
as i often mention ayaw lang SIR uy, dili man SIRGIO akong ngan, si Marimar ra man naay SIRGIO :)

To be honest, gawas sa nagtinapolan :) ingnon ta lang pirmi kuwang ug horas, I still have not finished tracing ownership from the start.

Ayaw lang unya kaikog sa pag-broadcast sa imong info regarding sa owner aning Cebu Autobus, bai @taga-bogo...Hehehehhe...Kay daghan pud baya ganahan diri makahibalo... :)

Sleepwalker
May 9th, 2009, 04:21 AM
as i often mention ayaw lang SIR uy, dili man SIRGIO akong ngan, si Marimar ra man naay SIRGIO :)

To be honest, gawas sa nagtinapolan :) ingnon ta lang pirmi kuwang ug horas, I still have not finished tracing ownership from the start.

Ayaw lang unya kaikog sa pag-broadcast sa imong info regarding sa owner aning Cebu Autobus, bai @taga-bogo...Hehehehhe...Kay daghan pud baya ganahan diri makahibalo... :)

Taga Bogo
May 9th, 2009, 04:31 AM
Ayaw lang unya kaikog sa pag-broadcast sa imong info regarding sa owner aning Cebu Autobus, bai @taga-bogo...Hehehehhe...Kay daghan pud baya ganahan diri makahibalo... :)

at my snail's pace, hopefully buhi pa ta ko mahuman na :) Bitaw bai if and when, will do

Taga Bogo
May 9th, 2009, 04:31 AM
Ayaw lang unya kaikog sa pag-broadcast sa imong info regarding sa owner aning Cebu Autobus, bai @taga-bogo...Hehehehhe...Kay daghan pud baya ganahan diri makahibalo... :)

at my snail's pace, hopefully buhi pa ta ko mahuman na :) Bitaw bai if and when, will do

LordCarnal
May 9th, 2009, 05:51 AM
^^ ^^

hmmmm... interesting...very interesting...but Astrid Sala-Boza has a counterfactual to this, published in the Sept. 2006 issue of the Philippine Quarterly of Culture and Society (by San Carlos Publications).



Interestingly, the 1830 map of Cebu actually shows a sketch of what appears to be a tiny watchtower. But what is more intriguing is that it is marked something like "ruins of Legazpi's old fort"...but this is not in San Nicolas. It is a few meters north of Fagina River, somewhere near Gasiano South or near Vision Theater! tsk! tsk!

Thanks, nold, for this article. I think this is the one issued by the church with the pinkish cover no?

Hehe, yup you‘re right, sa souvenir program sa ilang 400 yrs. Si Angel Lagdameo man diay ang parish during that time.

LordCarnal
May 9th, 2009, 05:51 AM
^^ ^^

hmmmm... interesting...very interesting...but Astrid Sala-Boza has a counterfactual to this, published in the Sept. 2006 issue of the Philippine Quarterly of Culture and Society (by San Carlos Publications).



Interestingly, the 1830 map of Cebu actually shows a sketch of what appears to be a tiny watchtower. But what is more intriguing is that it is marked something like "ruins of Legazpi's old fort"...but this is not in San Nicolas. It is a few meters north of Fagina River, somewhere near Gasiano South or near Vision Theater! tsk! tsk!

Thanks, nold, for this article. I think this is the one issued by the church with the pinkish cover no?

Hehe, yup you‘re right, sa souvenir program sa ilang 400 yrs. Si Angel Lagdameo man diay ang parish during that time.

AmbutLang
May 9th, 2009, 06:16 AM
Diba ang Autobus sa 1960 ang mga Corominas ang nakatagiya/palit I am not sure.
Akong nahinumduman nga kung mamiestas me sa Bogo manayo me sa Mayo 24 tua nako Bogo koyug sa akong inahan, manakay me Autobus. Ang mga linkuran pariho gihapon unya pakapin abog. :lol: Ang naka pait sa una ang aspalto kotub ra sa Sogod. :bash: :bash:

AmbutLang
May 9th, 2009, 06:16 AM
Diba ang Autobus sa 1960 ang mga Corominas ang nakatagiya/palit I am not sure.
Akong nahinumduman nga kung mamiestas me sa Bogo manayo me sa Mayo 24 tua nako Bogo koyug sa akong inahan, manakay me Autobus. Ang mga linkuran pariho gihapon unya pakapin abog. :lol: Ang naka pait sa una ang aspalto kotub ra sa Sogod. :bash: :bash:

gee
May 9th, 2009, 06:32 PM
Fort San Pedro artifacts to be moved to museum
Updated May 10, 2009 12:00 AM

CEBU, Philippines - Vintage photographs of Cebu, archaeological exhibits and works of art during the Spanish colonial period displayed in Fort San Pedro will soon be transferred to the Museo Sugbo.

This after the Provincial Board approved the Memorandum of Agreement between Governor Gwendolyn Garcia and director Corazon Alvina of the National Museum providing for the transfer of the items to the museum.

The agreement cited a need to transfer the items from Fort San Pedro to a place that will more “justifiably and fittingly showcase the rich cultural heritage of the Province”.

Under the agreement, the province will provide a suitable site for the museum, which will be accessible to the public and with provisions for amenities, with an area that is more than enough to contain exhibits and artifacts of the province.

P2 million will be allocated for the transfer.

The province’s museum is located along M.J. Cuenco Ave., barangay Tejero, and already has four galleries, each showcasing a period in the province’s political history.

These include Vietnamese copies of chinaware that were common in Cebu in the pre-Spanish era, a Christmas card from the late president Manuel L. Quezon written in Cebuano, a copy of the first Cebuano Newspaper “Ang Suga,” and a small spy camera called “The Brownie” used in World War II.

Fort San Pedro was allegedly built by Jesuit Antonio Campioni in 1630, though the gate of the fort bears the date 1738 together with the arms of Castille and Leon.

The fort underwent major renovations in the late 1800s as part of a building program to improve Cebu City. The fort also became a garrison during World War II and was once used as a zoo.

It was once the office of the Department of Tourism in Cebu but the office has already been transferred to a nearby site. – Garry B. Lao/BRP (THE FREEMAN)

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=466186&publicationSubCategoryId=107

gee
May 9th, 2009, 06:32 PM
Fort San Pedro artifacts to be moved to museum
Updated May 10, 2009 12:00 AM

CEBU, Philippines - Vintage photographs of Cebu, archaeological exhibits and works of art during the Spanish colonial period displayed in Fort San Pedro will soon be transferred to the Museo Sugbo.

This after the Provincial Board approved the Memorandum of Agreement between Governor Gwendolyn Garcia and director Corazon Alvina of the National Museum providing for the transfer of the items to the museum.

The agreement cited a need to transfer the items from Fort San Pedro to a place that will more “justifiably and fittingly showcase the rich cultural heritage of the Province”.

Under the agreement, the province will provide a suitable site for the museum, which will be accessible to the public and with provisions for amenities, with an area that is more than enough to contain exhibits and artifacts of the province.

P2 million will be allocated for the transfer.

The province’s museum is located along M.J. Cuenco Ave., barangay Tejero, and already has four galleries, each showcasing a period in the province’s political history.

These include Vietnamese copies of chinaware that were common in Cebu in the pre-Spanish era, a Christmas card from the late president Manuel L. Quezon written in Cebuano, a copy of the first Cebuano Newspaper “Ang Suga,” and a small spy camera called “The Brownie” used in World War II.

Fort San Pedro was allegedly built by Jesuit Antonio Campioni in 1630, though the gate of the fort bears the date 1738 together with the arms of Castille and Leon.

The fort underwent major renovations in the late 1800s as part of a building program to improve Cebu City. The fort also became a garrison during World War II and was once used as a zoo.

It was once the office of the Department of Tourism in Cebu but the office has already been transferred to a nearby site. – Garry B. Lao/BRP (THE FREEMAN)

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=466186&publicationSubCategoryId=107

gee
May 9th, 2009, 06:35 PM
Cebu autobus truck number 69 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck69.jpg



these buses were not only used to transport people but also post, check this supreme court decision:

Republic of the Philippines
SUPREME COURT
Manila

EN BANC

G.R. No. L-45845 August 1, 1938

CEBU AUTOBUS COMPANY, petitioner-appellant,
vs.
BISAYA LAND TRANSPORTATION CO., respondent-appellee.

C. de Alevar for appellant.
Nicolas Belmonte and Casino S. Carin for appellee.

ABAD SANTOS, J.:

Appellant and appellee are both public service operators under certificate of public convenience issued by the Public Service Commission before the present controversy between them arose. They have been and are now engaged in the transportation of passengers and freight between various municipalities in the Province of Cebu. Up to May 1937, appellant had been carrying mail over six mail routes in that province, known in the records of the Bureau of Posts as mail routes Nos. 806, 807, 808, 811, 817 and 825. On May 13, 1937, the carriage of mail over these same routes was advertised for bids, and both appellant and appellee submitted their bids. The contract for the carriage of mail was later awarded to the appellee as the successful bidder.

On June 17, 1937, appellee filed an application with the Public Service Commission, the pertinent part of which reads as follows:

1. That the applicant corporation is a public service operator under Certificate of Public Convenience granted in case No. 45425; and by virtue of the provisional authority granted in case No. 45426, it is also operating under Certificate of Public Convenience granted in case No. 3191.

2. That the mail service between Cebu and Santander and intermediate municipalities, between Cebu and Tuburan and intermediate municipalities, between Cebu and Aloguinsan and intermediate municipalities, and between Cebu and Samboan and intermediate municipalities, is so poor as to necessitate other transportation company to carry the mails in order to give a better mail service in the territories just mentioned.

3. That due to the deficient mail service in said territories, the Bureau of Posts has advertised for the presentation of bids for the performance of said service, and has decided to award to the herein applicant, as the lowest bidder, the contract to carry the mails and has requested the herein applicant to start the service as soon as possible and apply to this commission for authority to make the trips necessary therefor, as may be seen in the letter of said bureau attached hereto.

4. That it would be highly for the convenience and interest of the public that the applicant be authorized to make the trips proposed herein.1�vvph�l.n�t

5. That the applicant proposes to make daily trips for the purpose of carrying P. I. Mails between Cebu and Santander under Schedule No. 1 of Appendix A, between Cebu and Tuburan under Schedule 2 of Appendix A, between Cebu and Aloguinsan under Schedule 3 of Appendix, A, and between Cebu and Samboan under Schedule 4 of Appendix A, subject to modification or alteration which this Hon. Commission may deem proper to make.

6. That Schedule No. 1 Appendix A is only an extension of the applicant's time schedule granted in Case No. 45425.

7. That the applicant agrees that the authority to make daily trips under the schedules contained in Appendix A hereto attached shall only continue in force as long as the applicant has a contract with the Bureau of Posts to carry mails to said municipalities and intermediate points.

8. That aside from carrying the mails the applicant should be granted to carry such passengers and freight as may be offered by the public in the trips herein solicited for, and to collect the passenger's fare and freight charges authorized in its certificate of public convenience.

Wherefore, this Honorable Commission is respectfully prayed to enter an order authorizing the applicant to make daily trips in the territories covered by schedules proposed in Appendix A, for the purpose of carrying the P. I. Mails, with the privilege of accepting such passenger and freight as may be offered by the public.

This application was opposed by the appellant and the Philippine Railway Company for the reasons stated in their written oppositions. Hearings on the application were held, and upon the evidence submitted by the parties, the commission granted the same upon the conditions set forth in its decision of October 14, 1937.

In support of his petition for review, counsel for the appellant contends that the decision of the commission is contrary to law, not reasonably supported by the evidence of record, and should therefore be reversed and set aside.

In his brief counsel for the appellant raises the question of the sufficiency of both the allegations contained in the application filed by the appellee, and the evidence presented in support thereof. He maintains that the application does not contain sufficient allegation as to the existence of public convenience and necessity to warrant the action taken by the commission in granting the application. This contention, is without merit. A cursory reading of the application, particularly paragraphs 4 and 8 thereof, will suffice to set this point at rest. But even if the allegations were defective, the defect was cured by the evidence presented in support thereof.

The contention of counsel for the appellant that there is no evidence reasonably to support the challenged decision is based on the proposition that the "mere possession of a contract to carry mail is not proof of public convenience and necessity for the operation of motor vehicles for the transportation of either persons or property." His argument upon this branch of the case hinges mainly on this proposition. The American cases cited by him also bear directly on this point. Both his argument and the authorities relied upon by him are inapposite. The issue involved in the instant case is far more comprehensive; and the evidence introduced in support of the application was not limited to the question of whether the mere possession of a contract to carry mail is proof of public convenience and necessity for the operation of motor vehicles for the transportation of either persons or property. As stated in the decision of the commission:

Declararon, en sintesis que con la concesion de la presente solicitud se fomentaria el trafico de pasajeros y carga, favoreceria el comercio, pues en las horas solicitadas se encuentran pasajeros y comerciantes que guardan algun medio de transportacion y no lo encuentran; que los comerciantes que viajan de un sitio a otro llevan consigo mercancias y productos; de que los buses de la Cebu Autobus Company viajan siempre llenos de pasajeros; que el intervalo entre viaje y viaje de dicha opositor Cebu Autobus Company es de hora en hora y en muchas ocasiones el intervalo es mucho mayor; que occure que a los pasajeros que toman buses de otros operadores y que han querido trasbordar a los buses de la opositora, para ir a puntos no servidos por aquellos han sido rechazados a modo de castigo a los susodichos pasajeros que pudiendo haber tomado los buses de la Cebu Autobus Company desde su punto de origen no lo han hecho asi.

In the final analysis, the determination of the question as to the sufficiency of the evidence to support the decision of the commission turns on the credibility of the witnesses who testified before it. The jurisdiction of this court to set aside a decision of the commission is limited to cases where it clearly appears that there was no evidence to support reasonably such decision, or that the same is contrary to law, or that it was without the jurisdiction of the commission. We are unable to conclude that any of such grounds exists in the present case.

It results that the decision under review must be affirmed, with costs against the appellant. So ordered.

Avance�a, C.J., Villa-Real, Imperial, Diaz, Laurel and Concepcion, JJ., concur.

gee
May 9th, 2009, 06:35 PM
Cebu autobus truck number 69 bound for Santander circa 1934-35
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/Aiutobus-Santander-Truck69.jpg



these buses were not only used to transport people but also post, check this supreme court decision:

Republic of the Philippines
SUPREME COURT
Manila

EN BANC

G.R. No. L-45845 August 1, 1938

CEBU AUTOBUS COMPANY, petitioner-appellant,
vs.
BISAYA LAND TRANSPORTATION CO., respondent-appellee.

C. de Alevar for appellant.
Nicolas Belmonte and Casino S. Carin for appellee.

ABAD SANTOS, J.:

Appellant and appellee are both public service operators under certificate of public convenience issued by the Public Service Commission before the present controversy between them arose. They have been and are now engaged in the transportation of passengers and freight between various municipalities in the Province of Cebu. Up to May 1937, appellant had been carrying mail over six mail routes in that province, known in the records of the Bureau of Posts as mail routes Nos. 806, 807, 808, 811, 817 and 825. On May 13, 1937, the carriage of mail over these same routes was advertised for bids, and both appellant and appellee submitted their bids. The contract for the carriage of mail was later awarded to the appellee as the successful bidder.

On June 17, 1937, appellee filed an application with the Public Service Commission, the pertinent part of which reads as follows:

1. That the applicant corporation is a public service operator under Certificate of Public Convenience granted in case No. 45425; and by virtue of the provisional authority granted in case No. 45426, it is also operating under Certificate of Public Convenience granted in case No. 3191.

2. That the mail service between Cebu and Santander and intermediate municipalities, between Cebu and Tuburan and intermediate municipalities, between Cebu and Aloguinsan and intermediate municipalities, and between Cebu and Samboan and intermediate municipalities, is so poor as to necessitate other transportation company to carry the mails in order to give a better mail service in the territories just mentioned.

3. That due to the deficient mail service in said territories, the Bureau of Posts has advertised for the presentation of bids for the performance of said service, and has decided to award to the herein applicant, as the lowest bidder, the contract to carry the mails and has requested the herein applicant to start the service as soon as possible and apply to this commission for authority to make the trips necessary therefor, as may be seen in the letter of said bureau attached hereto.

4. That it would be highly for the convenience and interest of the public that the applicant be authorized to make the trips proposed herein.1�vvph�l.n�t

5. That the applicant proposes to make daily trips for the purpose of carrying P. I. Mails between Cebu and Santander under Schedule No. 1 of Appendix A, between Cebu and Tuburan under Schedule 2 of Appendix A, between Cebu and Aloguinsan under Schedule 3 of Appendix, A, and between Cebu and Samboan under Schedule 4 of Appendix A, subject to modification or alteration which this Hon. Commission may deem proper to make.

6. That Schedule No. 1 Appendix A is only an extension of the applicant's time schedule granted in Case No. 45425.

7. That the applicant agrees that the authority to make daily trips under the schedules contained in Appendix A hereto attached shall only continue in force as long as the applicant has a contract with the Bureau of Posts to carry mails to said municipalities and intermediate points.

8. That aside from carrying the mails the applicant should be granted to carry such passengers and freight as may be offered by the public in the trips herein solicited for, and to collect the passenger's fare and freight charges authorized in its certificate of public convenience.

Wherefore, this Honorable Commission is respectfully prayed to enter an order authorizing the applicant to make daily trips in the territories covered by schedules proposed in Appendix A, for the purpose of carrying the P. I. Mails, with the privilege of accepting such passenger and freight as may be offered by the public.

This application was opposed by the appellant and the Philippine Railway Company for the reasons stated in their written oppositions. Hearings on the application were held, and upon the evidence submitted by the parties, the commission granted the same upon the conditions set forth in its decision of October 14, 1937.

In support of his petition for review, counsel for the appellant contends that the decision of the commission is contrary to law, not reasonably supported by the evidence of record, and should therefore be reversed and set aside.

In his brief counsel for the appellant raises the question of the sufficiency of both the allegations contained in the application filed by the appellee, and the evidence presented in support thereof. He maintains that the application does not contain sufficient allegation as to the existence of public convenience and necessity to warrant the action taken by the commission in granting the application. This contention, is without merit. A cursory reading of the application, particularly paragraphs 4 and 8 thereof, will suffice to set this point at rest. But even if the allegations were defective, the defect was cured by the evidence presented in support thereof.

The contention of counsel for the appellant that there is no evidence reasonably to support the challenged decision is based on the proposition that the "mere possession of a contract to carry mail is not proof of public convenience and necessity for the operation of motor vehicles for the transportation of either persons or property." His argument upon this branch of the case hinges mainly on this proposition. The American cases cited by him also bear directly on this point. Both his argument and the authorities relied upon by him are inapposite. The issue involved in the instant case is far more comprehensive; and the evidence introduced in support of the application was not limited to the question of whether the mere possession of a contract to carry mail is proof of public convenience and necessity for the operation of motor vehicles for the transportation of either persons or property. As stated in the decision of the commission:

Declararon, en sintesis que con la concesion de la presente solicitud se fomentaria el trafico de pasajeros y carga, favoreceria el comercio, pues en las horas solicitadas se encuentran pasajeros y comerciantes que guardan algun medio de transportacion y no lo encuentran; que los comerciantes que viajan de un sitio a otro llevan consigo mercancias y productos; de que los buses de la Cebu Autobus Company viajan siempre llenos de pasajeros; que el intervalo entre viaje y viaje de dicha opositor Cebu Autobus Company es de hora en hora y en muchas ocasiones el intervalo es mucho mayor; que occure que a los pasajeros que toman buses de otros operadores y que han querido trasbordar a los buses de la opositora, para ir a puntos no servidos por aquellos han sido rechazados a modo de castigo a los susodichos pasajeros que pudiendo haber tomado los buses de la Cebu Autobus Company desde su punto de origen no lo han hecho asi.

In the final analysis, the determination of the question as to the sufficiency of the evidence to support the decision of the commission turns on the credibility of the witnesses who testified before it. The jurisdiction of this court to set aside a decision of the commission is limited to cases where it clearly appears that there was no evidence to support reasonably such decision, or that the same is contrary to law, or that it was without the jurisdiction of the commission. We are unable to conclude that any of such grounds exists in the present case.

It results that the decision under review must be affirmed, with costs against the appellant. So ordered.

Avance�a, C.J., Villa-Real, Imperial, Diaz, Laurel and Concepcion, JJ., concur.

Taga Bogo
May 9th, 2009, 08:36 PM
salamat sa added info padz. Hope you wont mind na I had copied your find on my autobus literature file.

these buses were not only used to transport people but also post, check this supreme court decision:

Republic of the Philippines
SUPREME COURT
Manila

EN BANC

G.R. No. L-45845 August 1, 1938

CEBU AUTOBUS COMPANY, petitioner-appellant,
vs.
BISAYA LAND TRANSPORTATION CO., respondent-appellee.

C. de Alevar for appellant.
Nicolas Belmonte and Casino S. Carin for appellee.

ABAD SANTOS, J.:

Appellant and appellee are both public service operators under certificate of public convenience issued by the Public Service Commission before the present controversy between them arose. They have been and are now engaged in the transportation of passengers and freight between various municipalities in the Province of Cebu. Up to May 1937, appellant had been carrying mail over six mail routes in that province, known in the records of the Bureau of Posts as mail routes Nos. 806, 807, 808, 811, 817 and 825. On May 13, 1937, the carriage of mail over these same routes was advertised for bids, and both appellant and appellee submitted their bids. The contract for the carriage of mail was later awarded to the appellee as the successful bidder.

.

Taga Bogo
May 9th, 2009, 08:36 PM
salamat sa added info padz. Hope you wont mind na I had copied your find on my autobus literature file.

these buses were not only used to transport people but also post, check this supreme court decision:

Republic of the Philippines
SUPREME COURT
Manila

EN BANC

G.R. No. L-45845 August 1, 1938

CEBU AUTOBUS COMPANY, petitioner-appellant,
vs.
BISAYA LAND TRANSPORTATION CO., respondent-appellee.

C. de Alevar for appellant.
Nicolas Belmonte and Casino S. Carin for appellee.

ABAD SANTOS, J.:

Appellant and appellee are both public service operators under certificate of public convenience issued by the Public Service Commission before the present controversy between them arose. They have been and are now engaged in the transportation of passengers and freight between various municipalities in the Province of Cebu. Up to May 1937, appellant had been carrying mail over six mail routes in that province, known in the records of the Bureau of Posts as mail routes Nos. 806, 807, 808, 811, 817 and 825. On May 13, 1937, the carriage of mail over these same routes was advertised for bids, and both appellant and appellee submitted their bids. The contract for the carriage of mail was later awarded to the appellee as the successful bidder.

.

gee
May 9th, 2009, 08:40 PM
salamat sa added info padz. Hope you wont mind na I had copied your find on my autobus literature file.

actually there a number of cases involving cebu autobus.

visit this http://www.lawphil.net/ and write cebu autobus in the search box.

gee
May 9th, 2009, 08:40 PM
salamat sa added info padz. Hope you wont mind na I had copied your find on my autobus literature file.

actually there a number of cases involving cebu autobus.

visit this http://www.lawphil.net/ and write cebu autobus in the search box.

goleyson
May 10th, 2009, 12:10 PM
That's why Val Sandiego performs the Kaplag with the Agustinians every April 28. I wonder how they researched the whole thing? Do the Agustinians have a written account of the finding of the Santo Niño?

Because I'm genuinely concerned about the historical correctness of a lot of our newly found traditions. If you can call the performing of the Kaplag THAT.
Who decides the veracity of an event? Or is that still important? Like the issue about the Magellan's Cross?


The Finding of the Image of Santo Niño de Cebu
-From : The Freeman by Fr. Medardo A. Durmiendo, OSA

On April 28, the Basilica del Santo Niño will once again celebrate the finding of the four-century old image of Señor Santo Niño. It will be preceded by a three day spiritual preparation. On April 26, the image of the Santo Niño wil be brought to San Nicolas Parish, being the first p[parish administered by the Augustinian Friars. On April 27, the image will be brought to the Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral. In the evening, the finals of the "Huniño", a songwriting contest in honor of the Santo Niño will be held at 8:00 PM. On the 28th of April, the image will be brought back to the Basilica where a Solemn High Mass will be celebrated at 10:00 in the morning. On the same date, the Archdiocese of Cebu will commemorate its 75th anniversary. There will be a Pontifical Mass at 4PM to be concelebrated by bishops and clergy. In the evening, there will be a testimonial dinner tendered by the Archdiocese.

Where was the image of Señor Santo Niño found? According to history, the image was found in a trunk in a burnt nipa hut by one of the soldiers of General Legaspi. Can we pinpoint the location where the image was found? YES, we can pinpoint it.

According to an old historian, Gaspar de SAn Agustin O.S.A, in his book Conquistas de las Islas Filipinas (Conquest of the Philippine Islands) written in 1968, "The place where the house stood where the miraculous image of the sacred and prodigious Child was discovered was signaled out as the church and convent of our father Saint Augustine. The governor donated to our religious a spacious site for the monastery and land for its erection. The church was not begun where it is present located, but in another place wherein the most holy image was placed in a solemn pomp and procession with everybody in the camp. Once situated on the altar, decorated as decently as possible, everybody adored it, and the confraternity was established with Governor Miguel Lopez de Legaspi as rector and superior brother, together with the maestre de campo, the captains and the most illustrious members of the camp. Fray Andres de Urdaneta, the prior celebrated Mass with all solemnity as possible, with Fray Diego de Herrera giving the sermon. The two leaders of Cebu, with more that 30 natives who had come to speak to the governor about the restitution of the Holy Child and the peace they wanted to establish, having arrived before the Mass began and having witnessed the sumptuous cult and reverence that the Spaniards had on the sacred image, were absorbed and struck with awe. More so, when they were allowed to enter the church and found themselves present at Mass and during the sermon, admiring all the new ceremonies made to the same Child Jesus they revered as prize inherited from their elders for all their remedies. And since they were unaware of where and at what time the divine child reached their possession, it seems that, as in other images, this was brought by angles to such a remote region, as proven by the fact that the natives called it in their language "image miraculously come."

Therefore, it is clear that a church was built at the place where the miraculous image was found and this is the Basilica Minore del Santo Niño. The Church was called for several centuries the church of Saint Augustine, for it was administered by the Order of St. Augustine or Augustinian Friars.

The devotion of the Catholic faithful to Señor Santo Niño has tremendously grown and spread since 1965 when the Fourth Centennial of the Evangelization of the Philippines was pompously celebrated. It was an international celebration. The writer was a witness to the event.

goleyson
May 10th, 2009, 12:10 PM
That's why Val Sandiego performs the Kaplag with the Agustinians every April 28. I wonder how they researched the whole thing? Do the Agustinians have a written account of the finding of the Santo Niño?

Because I'm genuinely concerned about the historical correctness of a lot of our newly found traditions. If you can call the performing of the Kaplag THAT.
Who decides the veracity of an event? Or is that still important? Like the issue about the Magellan's Cross?


The Finding of the Image of Santo Niño de Cebu
-From : The Freeman by Fr. Medardo A. Durmiendo, OSA

On April 28, the Basilica del Santo Niño will once again celebrate the finding of the four-century old image of Señor Santo Niño. It will be preceded by a three day spiritual preparation. On April 26, the image of the Santo Niño wil be brought to San Nicolas Parish, being the first p[parish administered by the Augustinian Friars. On April 27, the image will be brought to the Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral. In the evening, the finals of the "Huniño", a songwriting contest in honor of the Santo Niño will be held at 8:00 PM. On the 28th of April, the image will be brought back to the Basilica where a Solemn High Mass will be celebrated at 10:00 in the morning. On the same date, the Archdiocese of Cebu will commemorate its 75th anniversary. There will be a Pontifical Mass at 4PM to be concelebrated by bishops and clergy. In the evening, there will be a testimonial dinner tendered by the Archdiocese.

Where was the image of Señor Santo Niño found? According to history, the image was found in a trunk in a burnt nipa hut by one of the soldiers of General Legaspi. Can we pinpoint the location where the image was found? YES, we can pinpoint it.

According to an old historian, Gaspar de SAn Agustin O.S.A, in his book Conquistas de las Islas Filipinas (Conquest of the Philippine Islands) written in 1968, "The place where the house stood where the miraculous image of the sacred and prodigious Child was discovered was signaled out as the church and convent of our father Saint Augustine. The governor donated to our religious a spacious site for the monastery and land for its erection. The church was not begun where it is present located, but in another place wherein the most holy image was placed in a solemn pomp and procession with everybody in the camp. Once situated on the altar, decorated as decently as possible, everybody adored it, and the confraternity was established with Governor Miguel Lopez de Legaspi as rector and superior brother, together with the maestre de campo, the captains and the most illustrious members of the camp. Fray Andres de Urdaneta, the prior celebrated Mass with all solemnity as possible, with Fray Diego de Herrera giving the sermon. The two leaders of Cebu, with more that 30 natives who had come to speak to the governor about the restitution of the Holy Child and the peace they wanted to establish, having arrived before the Mass began and having witnessed the sumptuous cult and reverence that the Spaniards had on the sacred image, were absorbed and struck with awe. More so, when they were allowed to enter the church and found themselves present at Mass and during the sermon, admiring all the new ceremonies made to the same Child Jesus they revered as prize inherited from their elders for all their remedies. And since they were unaware of where and at what time the divine child reached their possession, it seems that, as in other images, this was brought by angles to such a remote region, as proven by the fact that the natives called it in their language "image miraculously come."

Therefore, it is clear that a church was built at the place where the miraculous image was found and this is the Basilica Minore del Santo Niño. The Church was called for several centuries the church of Saint Augustine, for it was administered by the Order of St. Augustine or Augustinian Friars.

The devotion of the Catholic faithful to Señor Santo Niño has tremendously grown and spread since 1965 when the Fourth Centennial of the Evangelization of the Philippines was pompously celebrated. It was an international celebration. The writer was a witness to the event.

archaeologue
May 10th, 2009, 12:50 PM
^^ ^^

Typo error in this article: Conquista de las Islas Filipinas was not published in 1968 but in 1698. minor error but quite misleading pod.

archaeologue
May 10th, 2009, 12:50 PM
^^ ^^

Typo error in this article: Conquista de las Islas Filipinas was not published in 1968 but in 1698. minor error but quite misleading pod.

archaeologue
May 10th, 2009, 01:25 PM
I can't help but post these pages from one of the four 2006 issues of the Phil. Quarterly of Culture and Society, published by San Carlos Publications.

Inasmuch as the journal is copyrighted, i can only post a few pages to give you as preview. Anyone who is interested in this and many more articles on the Sto. Nino written by Astrid Sala-Boza can get a copy @ P180 for the 2006 issues and i think P240 for the latest quarterly (Dec. 2008), which are also about the Sto. Nino stories from an anthropological standpoint.

For now, let these pages tell their story:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0005.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0003-1.jpg




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0001.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0002.jpg




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0004.jpg



there are more to this article, like why the Sto Nino in San Nicolas is the teniente of the Basilica when the original sto. nino is in procession...and also what the first procession really meant.

you can purchase a copy at USC Museum or at San Carlos Publications.

for those abroad, you need to pay shipping costs, though.



Below is the latest issue, also about the Sto. Nino:



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0006.jpg
http://archaeologue.wordpress.com/2009/05/

archaeologue
May 10th, 2009, 01:25 PM
I can't help but post these pages from one of the four 2006 issues of the Phil. Quarterly of Culture and Society, published by San Carlos Publications.

Inasmuch as the journal is copyrighted, i can only post a few pages to give you as preview. Anyone who is interested in this and many more articles on the Sto. Nino written by Astrid Sala-Boza can get a copy @ P180 for the 2006 issues and i think P240 for the latest quarterly (Dec. 2008), which are also about the Sto. Nino stories from an anthropological standpoint.

For now, let these pages tell their story:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0005.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0003-1.jpg




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0001.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0002.jpg




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0004.jpg



there are more to this article, like why the Sto Nino in San Nicolas is the teniente of the Basilica when the original sto. nino is in procession...and also what the first procession really meant.

you can purchase a copy at USC Museum or at San Carlos Publications.

for those abroad, you need to pay shipping costs, though.



Below is the latest issue, also about the Sto. Nino:



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/scan0006.jpg
http://archaeologue.wordpress.com/2009/05/

Animo
May 10th, 2009, 06:15 PM
^^ That was the map that I posted. ^_^ Arnold sticked it tho! I hope you can re-post it here Arnold. :)

---

Found it in my archive...:)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3012/2653062425_090bceec3b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/2653062597_dc34d45666_b.jpg

Animo
May 10th, 2009, 06:15 PM
^^ That was the map that I posted. ^_^ Arnold sticked it tho! I hope you can re-post it here Arnold. :)

---

Found it in my archive...:)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3012/2653062425_090bceec3b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/2653062597_dc34d45666_b.jpg

harveharve
May 10th, 2009, 06:51 PM
Ka Bino's Photo of the aforementioned map:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG-0122.jpg

Same map stitched by Arnold Carl

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/1699_map_cebu.jpg

As compared to this (though not as detailed, but earlier I suppose, 1643?)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/cebu1643.jpg
The church (denominated as O) in the last map corresponds with the annotation in the 1699 map as "Convento Antigua" which is about a stone's throw away from the present Convento or just beside the Pilgrim center

harveharve
May 10th, 2009, 06:51 PM
Ka Bino's Photo of the aforementioned map:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/IMG-0122.jpg

Same map stitched by Arnold Carl

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/1699_map_cebu.jpg

As compared to this (though not as detailed, but earlier I suppose, 1643?)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/cebu1643.jpg
The church (denominated as O) in the last map corresponds with the annotation in the 1699 map as "Convento Antigua" which is about a stone's throw away from the present Convento or just beside the Pilgrim center

LordCarnal
May 11th, 2009, 09:37 AM
In that map above, the catedral antigua or old cathedral is located in plaza independencia.

LordCarnal
May 11th, 2009, 09:37 AM
In that map above, the catedral antigua or old cathedral is located in plaza independencia.

archaeologue
May 11th, 2009, 12:05 PM
In that map above, the catedral antigua or old cathedral is located in plaza independencia.


Yes, and its location at the time follows exactly the orders of the Real Audiencia of Mexico that the temporary church be built outside and near the walls of Legazpi's fort.

archaeologue
May 11th, 2009, 12:05 PM
In that map above, the catedral antigua or old cathedral is located in plaza independencia.


Yes, and its location at the time follows exactly the orders of the Real Audiencia of Mexico that the temporary church be built outside and near the walls of Legazpi's fort.

goleyson
May 11th, 2009, 04:36 PM
In that map above, the catedral antigua or old cathedral is located in plaza independencia.

Simang sa ko, is this the proper name of our cathedral?

Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral of Saint Vitalis?

goleyson
May 11th, 2009, 04:36 PM
In that map above, the catedral antigua or old cathedral is located in plaza independencia.

Simang sa ko, is this the proper name of our cathedral?

Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral of Saint Vitalis?

Taga Bogo
May 13th, 2009, 07:43 AM
MINGAW man

just to open up some topics

more cebu railroad track photo circa early 1900s. The house made of nipa with a long tall bamboo stair is quite hard to find these days, if they still exist. Some attribute these type of houses as the fore funner of the bahay na bato.

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/cebu-railroadtrack.jpg

Taga Bogo
May 13th, 2009, 07:43 AM
MINGAW man

just to open up some topics

more cebu railroad track photo circa early 1900s. The house made of nipa with a long tall bamboo stair is quite hard to find these days, if they still exist. Some attribute these type of houses as the fore funner of the bahay na bato.

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/cebu-railroadtrack.jpg

Jarenz
May 13th, 2009, 12:17 PM
SSC Cebu Grand Meet

Sir Lito badly need the headcount of all the attendees before May 20

Please cooperate ... Tnx

Link ==> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=775790&page=39

Jarenz
May 13th, 2009, 12:17 PM
SSC Cebu Grand Meet

Sir Lito badly need the headcount of all the attendees before May 20

Please cooperate ... Tnx

Link ==> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=775790&page=39

Ang_Bantayanon
May 13th, 2009, 01:44 PM
Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral of Saint Vitalis?

Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral ra.

Ang_Bantayanon
May 13th, 2009, 01:44 PM
Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral of Saint Vitalis?

Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral ra.

MatudNilaBaby
May 13th, 2009, 01:53 PM
MINGAW man

just to open up some topics

more cebu railroad track photo circa early 1900s. The house made of nipa with a long tall bamboo stair is quite hard to find these days, if they still exist. Some attribute these type of houses as the fore funner of the bahay na bato.

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/cebu-railroadtrack.jpg

kon duna nay train sa una what happened to the right of way anang riles? kung wala pana ibaligya maayo nalang ug padayonon ang pagbuhat sa lrt para sa kalungsuron.

MatudNilaBaby
May 13th, 2009, 01:53 PM
MINGAW man

just to open up some topics

more cebu railroad track photo circa early 1900s. The house made of nipa with a long tall bamboo stair is quite hard to find these days, if they still exist. Some attribute these type of houses as the fore funner of the bahay na bato.

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/TagaBogo/cebu-railroadtrack.jpg

kon duna nay train sa una what happened to the right of way anang riles? kung wala pana ibaligya maayo nalang ug padayonon ang pagbuhat sa lrt para sa kalungsuron.

Jarenz
May 13th, 2009, 02:10 PM
^^ Sayang bitaw...

Jarenz
May 13th, 2009, 02:10 PM
^^ Sayang bitaw...

sanvalente
May 13th, 2009, 03:03 PM
kon duna nay train sa una what happened to the right of way anang riles? kung wala pana ibaligya maayo nalang ug padayonon ang pagbuhat sa lrt para sa kalungsuron.

The right of way sa train depends on the contract they signed with
the milling company (bogo-medellin sugar milling). In Negros, there
are contracts for 50 years renewable for another 50 years. Sad to
say that there were sugar centrals got bankrupt even before the
right of way expired. As such, the rights go back to the lot owner.

Ang mga riles? gikawat ug gi patimbang except for the honest landowners
who protected the route which the central sold and gave a share to
the landowners.

sanvalente
May 13th, 2009, 03:03 PM
kon duna nay train sa una what happened to the right of way anang riles? kung wala pana ibaligya maayo nalang ug padayonon ang pagbuhat sa lrt para sa kalungsuron.

The right of way sa train depends on the contract they signed with
the milling company (bogo-medellin sugar milling). In Negros, there
are contracts for 50 years renewable for another 50 years. Sad to
say that there were sugar centrals got bankrupt even before the
right of way expired. As such, the rights go back to the lot owner.

Ang mga riles? gikawat ug gi patimbang except for the honest landowners
who protected the route which the central sold and gave a share to
the landowners.

archaeologue
May 13th, 2009, 03:37 PM
The right of way sa train depends on the contract they signed with
the milling company (bogo-medellin sugar milling). In Negros, there
are contracts for 50 years renewable for another 50 years. Sad to
say that there were sugar centrals got bankrupt even before the
right of way expired. As such, the rights go back to the lot owner.

Ang mga riles? gikawat ug gi patimbang except for the honest landowners
who protected the route which the central sold and gave a share to
the landowners.


saNVAlente, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the tracks shown in the old postcard are not the rails for the sugar centrals in Medellin. The Bogo-Medellin Sugar Central came into being only in the mid-1930s. But they may have bought some of the tracks after the war.

The one in the postcard is the Phil. National Railroad Co. which operated from 1907 until the end of Japanese Occupation, from Cebu City going south to Argao and also north to Danao.

The trains were eventually bought by sugar milling companies after the war, or so I heard.

The railroad tracks were also sold, while most of the right of way for these tracks eventually became part of the road network. Today you can still see some of the bridges in Naga, San Fernando, Carcar and Sibonga. I even saw one small railway bridge in Minglanilla.

Other parts of the tracks still survive today as secondary roads (like the motorcycle/carabao road near Sibonga Memorial Park (Simpark).

There are even places that are aptly called "riles" like the sitio in Mainglanilla, or "estacion" if a station was placed there, like one sitio in Hoppodromo, Mabolo.

There are railroad berms that still survive that can be seen in San Fernando and Carcar, also in Compostela.

There is a subdivision in San Fernando where houses line what used to be a railroad berm.

The train station at Valladolid, Carcar is still well-preserved.

It was the War Reparations Commission and later the Rehabillitation Finance Corp. (forerunner of the Development Bank of the Philippines) that sold these tracks and trains. This probably explains why the DBP office in Cebu is located right where the Central Train Station was during the heyday of the PNR.

archaeologue
May 13th, 2009, 03:37 PM
The right of way sa train depends on the contract they signed with
the milling company (bogo-medellin sugar milling). In Negros, there
are contracts for 50 years renewable for another 50 years. Sad to
say that there were sugar centrals got bankrupt even before the
right of way expired. As such, the rights go back to the lot owner.

Ang mga riles? gikawat ug gi patimbang except for the honest landowners
who protected the route which the central sold and gave a share to
the landowners.


saNVAlente, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the tracks shown in the old postcard are not the rails for the sugar centrals in Medellin. The Bogo-Medellin Sugar Central came into being only in the mid-1930s. But they may have bought some of the tracks after the war.

The one in the postcard is the Phil. National Railroad Co. which operated from 1907 until the end of Japanese Occupation, from Cebu City going south to Argao and also north to Danao.

The trains were eventually bought by sugar milling companies after the war, or so I heard.

The railroad tracks were also sold, while most of the right of way for these tracks eventually became part of the road network. Today you can still see some of the bridges in Naga, San Fernando, Carcar and Sibonga. I even saw one small railway bridge in Minglanilla.

Other parts of the tracks still survive today as secondary roads (like the motorcycle/carabao road near Sibonga Memorial Park (Simpark).

There are even places that are aptly called "riles" like the sitio in Mainglanilla, or "estacion" if a station was placed there, like one sitio in Hoppodromo, Mabolo.

There are railroad berms that still survive that can be seen in San Fernando and Carcar, also in Compostela.

There is a subdivision in San Fernando where houses line what used to be a railroad berm.

The train station at Valladolid, Carcar is still well-preserved.

It was the War Reparations Commission and later the Rehabillitation Finance Corp. (forerunner of the Development Bank of the Philippines) that sold these tracks and trains. This probably explains why the DBP office in Cebu is located right where the Central Train Station was during the heyday of the PNR.

archaeologue
May 13th, 2009, 03:58 PM
^^

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/trains.jpg

From a scrapbook newspaper clippings of a series entitled 'Cebu in Retrospect', ca. late 1960s.

archaeologue
May 13th, 2009, 03:58 PM
^^

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/trains.jpg

From a scrapbook newspaper clippings of a series entitled 'Cebu in Retrospect', ca. late 1960s.

flesh_is_weak
May 13th, 2009, 05:54 PM
As compared to this (though not as detailed, but earlier I suppose, 1643?)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/cebu1643.jpg


OT: about that river/stream which marks the border of the settlement of Cebu in that map, is it still around?

looking at that map makes me imagine a linear park going along the banks of this river that in the future could mark the delineation between a 'restored' downtown heritage area and the modern metropolis that surrounds it~

flesh_is_weak
May 13th, 2009, 05:54 PM
As compared to this (though not as detailed, but earlier I suppose, 1643?)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/harveharve/cebu1643.jpg


OT: about that river/stream which marks the border of the settlement of Cebu in that map, is it still around?

looking at that map makes me imagine a linear park going along the banks of this river that in the future could mark the delineation between a 'restored' downtown heritage area and the modern metropolis that surrounds it~

MatudNilaBaby
May 13th, 2009, 09:14 PM
^^

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/trains.jpg

From a scrapbook newspaper clippings of a series entitled 'Cebu in Retrospect', ca. late 1960s.

seeing all these old pix of train running in cebu province is a living testament that cebu was ahead of its time. i hope it can be replaced with the more modern lrt or high speed bullet train in the future. if it was needed before nga gamay ra ang population sa province, karon pa kaha ug sa umaabot nga tuig?

MatudNilaBaby
May 13th, 2009, 09:14 PM
^^

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/trains.jpg

From a scrapbook newspaper clippings of a series entitled 'Cebu in Retrospect', ca. late 1960s.

seeing all these old pix of train running in cebu province is a living testament that cebu was ahead of its time. i hope it can be replaced with the more modern lrt or high speed bullet train in the future. if it was needed before nga gamay ra ang population sa province, karon pa kaha ug sa umaabot nga tuig?

sanvalente
May 14th, 2009, 01:29 AM
saNVAlente, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the tracks shown in the old postcard are not the rails for the sugar centrals in Medellin. The Bogo-Medellin Sugar Central came into being only in the mid-1930s. But they may have bought some of the tracks after the war.

The one in the postcard is the Phil. National Railroad Co. which operated from 1907 until the end of Japanese Occupation, from Cebu City going south to Argao and also north to Danao.

The trains were eventually bought by sugar milling companies after the war, or so I heard.

The railroad tracks were also sold, while most of the right of way for these tracks eventually became part of the road network. Today you can still see some of the bridges in Naga, San Fernando, Carcar and Sibonga. I even saw one small railway bridge in Minglanilla.

Other parts of the tracks still survive today as secondary roads (like the motorcycle/carabao road near Sibonga Memorial Park (Simpark).

There are even places that are aptly called "riles" like the sitio in Mainglanilla, or "estacion" if a station was placed there, like one sitio in Hoppodromo, Mabolo.

There are railroad berms that still survive that can be seen in San Fernando and Carcar, also in Compostela.

There is a subdivision in San Fernando where houses line what used to be a railroad berm.

The train station at Valladolid, Carcar is still well-preserved.

It was the War Reparations Commission and later the Rehabillitation Finance Corp. (forerunner of the Development Bank of the Philippines) that sold these tracks and trains. This probably explains why the DBP office in Cebu is located right where the Central Train Station was during the heyday of the PNR.

@archaeologue

You are definitely correct because the road right of way (RRW) I mentioned was for Bomedco network in the north established in 1928 I think but I don't
know exactly when they started the milling operations. The postcard looks very typical railroad in the north too but i could be misled because the same
is true for the public transport railroad system you mentioned.

Well, as far as the public railroad system is concerned I am not privy as
to its RRW ownership but it's safe for us to say that it should be government-
owned properties, any deviation needs to be studied by the administration
before. So far, I have not heard of a private entity nor individual filing a
case (claim) of getting it back as these as you said are part of the road network now ... nabaligtad hinoon like the case of
OPRRA where squatters stayed in the RRW but were eventually resettled
near the property of the Villalons at the back of Capitol.

What interests me is the RRW that passed through private lands which am
sure there are .... assuming if the administration really documented all
the RRW in this category, am sure that the RRW was annotated in the
title of the land. A government annotation on the title is a problem when
you sell or buy the property. How did they do it? Maybe they just leave
it as it is....

Saludos!

sanvalente
May 14th, 2009, 01:29 AM
saNVAlente, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the tracks shown in the old postcard are not the rails for the sugar centrals in Medellin. The Bogo-Medellin Sugar Central came into being only in the mid-1930s. But they may have bought some of the tracks after the war.

The one in the postcard is the Phil. National Railroad Co. which operated from 1907 until the end of Japanese Occupation, from Cebu City going south to Argao and also north to Danao.

The trains were eventually bought by sugar milling companies after the war, or so I heard.

The railroad tracks were also sold, while most of the right of way for these tracks eventually became part of the road network. Today you can still see some of the bridges in Naga, San Fernando, Carcar and Sibonga. I even saw one small railway bridge in Minglanilla.

Other parts of the tracks still survive today as secondary roads (like the motorcycle/carabao road near Sibonga Memorial Park (Simpark).

There are even places that are aptly called "riles" like the sitio in Mainglanilla, or "estacion" if a station was placed there, like one sitio in Hoppodromo, Mabolo.

There are railroad berms that still survive that can be seen in San Fernando and Carcar, also in Compostela.

There is a subdivision in San Fernando where houses line what used to be a railroad berm.

The train station at Valladolid, Carcar is still well-preserved.

It was the War Reparations Commission and later the Rehabillitation Finance Corp. (forerunner of the Development Bank of the Philippines) that sold these tracks and trains. This probably explains why the DBP office in Cebu is located right where the Central Train Station was during the heyday of the PNR.

@archaeologue

You are definitely correct because the road right of way (RRW) I mentioned was for Bomedco network in the north established in 1928 I think but I don't
know exactly when they started the milling operations. The postcard looks very typical railroad in the north too but i could be misled because the same
is true for the public transport railroad system you mentioned.

Well, as far as the public railroad system is concerned I am not privy as
to its RRW ownership but it's safe for us to say that it should be government-
owned properties, any deviation needs to be studied by the administration
before. So far, I have not heard of a private entity nor individual filing a
case (claim) of getting it back as these as you said are part of the road network now ... nabaligtad hinoon like the case of
OPRRA where squatters stayed in the RRW but were eventually resettled
near the property of the Villalons at the back of Capitol.

What interests me is the RRW that passed through private lands which am
sure there are .... assuming if the administration really documented all
the RRW in this category, am sure that the RRW was annotated in the
title of the land. A government annotation on the title is a problem when
you sell or buy the property. How did they do it? Maybe they just leave
it as it is....

Saludos!

Taga Bogo
May 14th, 2009, 07:11 AM
The right of way sa train depends on the contract they signed with
the milling company (bogo-medellin sugar milling). In Negros, there
are contracts for 50 years renewable for another 50 years. Sad to
say that there were sugar centrals got bankrupt even before the
right of way expired. As such, the rights go back to the lot owner.

Ang mga riles? gikawat ug gi patimbang except for the honest landowners
who protected the route which the central sold and gave a share to
the landowners.

saNVAlente, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the tracks shown in the old postcard are not the rails for the sugar centrals in Medellin. The Bogo-Medellin Sugar Central came into being only in the mid-1930s. But they may have bought some of the tracks after the war.


In the 90s, after the company decided that using trucks were more cost effective than trains, most of the Bogo Medellin tracks were pulled out by the company. Though I have heard stories about theft, many of the iron were re used for other company needs. The wood, many found there way to the company furnace to heat their boilers.

Taga Bogo
May 14th, 2009, 07:11 AM
The right of way sa train depends on the contract they signed with
the milling company (bogo-medellin sugar milling). In Negros, there
are contracts for 50 years renewable for another 50 years. Sad to
say that there were sugar centrals got bankrupt even before the
right of way expired. As such, the rights go back to the lot owner.

Ang mga riles? gikawat ug gi patimbang except for the honest landowners
who protected the route which the central sold and gave a share to
the landowners.

saNVAlente, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the tracks shown in the old postcard are not the rails for the sugar centrals in Medellin. The Bogo-Medellin Sugar Central came into being only in the mid-1930s. But they may have bought some of the tracks after the war.


In the 90s, after the company decided that using trucks were more cost effective than trains, most of the Bogo Medellin tracks were pulled out by the company. Though I have heard stories about theft, many of the iron were re used for other company needs. The wood, many found there way to the company furnace to heat their boilers.

archaeologue
May 14th, 2009, 01:13 PM
^^

While evaluating heritage programs of the different LGUS from Mandaue to Sbonga for province today (together with Ruel Rigor and Rosebelle Daculan), I took photos of some of the remnants of the Phil. Railways Co. that I wrote about yesterday--taken while our van was running (no time to stop):

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/valladolidcarcarstation2-1.jpg

Valladolid Station looking southwest




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/valladolidcarcarstation.jpg

Valladolid Station looking northwest




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sibongariles.jpg

The 'riles' road near Simpark in Sibonga


http://archaeologue.wordpress.com

archaeologue
May 14th, 2009, 01:13 PM
^^

While evaluating heritage programs of the different LGUS from Mandaue to Sbonga for province today (together with Ruel Rigor and Rosebelle Daculan), I took photos of some of the remnants of the Phil. Railways Co. that I wrote about yesterday--taken while our van was running (no time to stop):

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/valladolidcarcarstation2-1.jpg

Valladolid Station looking southwest




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/valladolidcarcarstation.jpg

Valladolid Station looking northwest




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sibongariles.jpg

The 'riles' road near Simpark in Sibonga


http://archaeologue.wordpress.com

archaeologue
May 14th, 2009, 01:32 PM
This is why I love to travel to the towns to work on heritage programs, you suddenly discover a house that was not even noticed by the town officials.

This house was built in 1930 and is a very beautiful and very rare piece of heritage.

It's also a house that badly needs rehabilitation and stabilization. I hope we can convince the governor or the LGU to do something about it:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse9.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse2.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse7.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse3.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse4.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse5.jpg



Cutouts inside the house:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse6.jpg

This one above was all around the interior of the house!


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse8.jpg

This one was above the entrada leading to the kitchen.


The cutouts and carving from the Carcar Dispensary (for comparison)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/carcardispensary.jpg




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archaeologue
May 14th, 2009, 01:32 PM
This is why I love to travel to the towns to work on heritage programs, you suddenly discover a house that was not even noticed by the town officials.

This house was built in 1930 and is a very beautiful and very rare piece of heritage.

It's also a house that badly needs rehabilitation and stabilization. I hope we can convince the governor or the LGU to do something about it:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse9.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse2.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse7.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse3.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse4.jpg



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse5.jpg



Cutouts inside the house:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse6.jpg

This one above was all around the interior of the house!


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse8.jpg

This one was above the entrada leading to the kitchen.


The cutouts and carving from the Carcar Dispensary (for comparison)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/carcardispensary.jpg




http://archaeologue.wordpress.com

sanvalente
May 14th, 2009, 03:03 PM
MGA BAI, THIS IS INTERESTING!! Open to all ages I believe?



By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 12:57:00 05/14/2009

Filed Under: Libraries & Museums

The continuing professionalization of heritage work in Cebu has just been boosted with the opening of the Professional Diploma in Heritage Conservation and Management (PDHCM) by the USC Department of Sociology and Anthropology (SoAn).

This tailor-made program will run for 36 Saturdays of coursework and fieldwork over a period of 12 months. It is jointly designed by SoAn and the Committee on Sites, Relics and Structures, one of the cultural and tourism committees created by Gov. Gwendolyn F. Garcia in her pioneering work of putting heritage and tourism as a platform of governance. The program is aimed at capacitating local government planners, engineers, tourism officers and even information as well as budget officers to synergize economic development with natural and cultural heritage conservation.

Courses under the program include History and Theory of Conservation; Research Methods in Heritage Conservation; Conservation Planning and Design; Economics of Conservation; Natural Resource Management; Conservation of Materials (Wood, Paper, Textile, Masonry, etc.); Heritage Interpretation; Heritage Tourism; Museology; Public Archaeology; and Public History.

sanvalente
May 14th, 2009, 03:03 PM
MGA BAI, THIS IS INTERESTING!! Open to all ages I believe?



By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 12:57:00 05/14/2009

Filed Under: Libraries & Museums

The continuing professionalization of heritage work in Cebu has just been boosted with the opening of the Professional Diploma in Heritage Conservation and Management (PDHCM) by the USC Department of Sociology and Anthropology (SoAn).

This tailor-made program will run for 36 Saturdays of coursework and fieldwork over a period of 12 months. It is jointly designed by SoAn and the Committee on Sites, Relics and Structures, one of the cultural and tourism committees created by Gov. Gwendolyn F. Garcia in her pioneering work of putting heritage and tourism as a platform of governance. The program is aimed at capacitating local government planners, engineers, tourism officers and even information as well as budget officers to synergize economic development with natural and cultural heritage conservation.

Courses under the program include History and Theory of Conservation; Research Methods in Heritage Conservation; Conservation Planning and Design; Economics of Conservation; Natural Resource Management; Conservation of Materials (Wood, Paper, Textile, Masonry, etc.); Heritage Interpretation; Heritage Tourism; Museology; Public Archaeology; and Public History.

AmbutLang
May 14th, 2009, 03:05 PM
This is why I love to travel to the towns to work on heritage programs, you suddenly discover a house that was not even noticed by the town officials.

This house was built in 1930 and is a very beautiful and very rare piece of heritage.

It's also a house that badly needs rehabilitation and stabilization. I hope we can convince the governor or the LGU to do something about it:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse9.jpg

Cutouts inside the house:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse6.jpg
This one above was all around the interior of the house!


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse8.jpg
This one was above the entrada leading to the kitchen.


The cutouts and carving from the Carcar Dispensary (for comparison)
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/carcardispensary.jpg


http://archaeologue.wordpress.com

It cost a bit of money to rehabilitate a house like these and a lot more to bring it to its original design. I have a house from my father side similar to this in Bohol. The original house collapse due to neglect or lack of funds to maintain. My father bought the house from my uncle and jack up the whole house minus the ground floor which cannot be salvage and made to concrete. It deteriorate again since we bare use it. I had to do something to before it got worse. The worst part was the person I trusted, mismanage half of the funds. So I have to stop.:ohno::bash: I have to do it myself soon. :gaah:

AmbutLang
May 14th, 2009, 03:05 PM
This is why I love to travel to the towns to work on heritage programs, you suddenly discover a house that was not even noticed by the town officials.

This house was built in 1930 and is a very beautiful and very rare piece of heritage.

It's also a house that badly needs rehabilitation and stabilization. I hope we can convince the governor or the LGU to do something about it:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse9.jpg

Cutouts inside the house:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse6.jpg
This one above was all around the interior of the house!


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bacusmohouse8.jpg
This one was above the entrada leading to the kitchen.


The cutouts and carving from the Carcar Dispensary (for comparison)
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/carcardispensary.jpg


http://archaeologue.wordpress.com

It cost a bit of money to rehabilitate a house like these and a lot more to bring it to its original design. I have a house from my father side similar to this in Bohol. The original house collapse due to neglect or lack of funds to maintain. My father bought the house from my uncle and jack up the whole house minus the ground floor which cannot be salvage and made to concrete. It deteriorate again since we bare use it. I had to do something to before it got worse. The worst part was the person I trusted, mismanage half of the funds. So I have to stop.:ohno::bash: I have to do it myself soon. :gaah:

AmbutLang
May 14th, 2009, 03:08 PM
MGA BAI, THIS IS INTERESTING!! Open to all ages I believe?



By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 12:57:00 05/14/2009

Filed Under: Libraries & Museums

The continuing professionalization of heritage work in Cebu has just been boosted with the opening of the Professional Diploma in Heritage Conservation and Management (PDHCM) by the USC Department of Sociology and Anthropology (SoAn).

This tailor-made program will run for 36 Saturdays of coursework and fieldwork over a period of 12 months. It is jointly designed by SoAn and the Committee on Sites, Relics and Structures, one of the cultural and tourism committees created by Gov. Gwendolyn F. Garcia in her pioneering work of putting heritage and tourism as a platform of governance. The program is aimed at capacitating local government planners, engineers, tourism officers and even information as well as budget officers to synergize economic development with natural and cultural heritage conservation.

Courses under the program include History and Theory of Conservation; Research Methods in Heritage Conservation; Conservation Planning and Design; Economics of Conservation; Natural Resource Management; Conservation of Materials (Wood, Paper, Textile, Masonry, etc.); Heritage Interpretation; Heritage Tourism; Museology; Public Archaeology; and Public History.

It's nice to partipate this course. I hope it will be available next year.

AmbutLang
May 14th, 2009, 03:08 PM
MGA BAI, THIS IS INTERESTING!! Open to all ages I believe?



By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 12:57:00 05/14/2009

Filed Under: Libraries & Museums

The continuing professionalization of heritage work in Cebu has just been boosted with the opening of the Professional Diploma in Heritage Conservation and Management (PDHCM) by the USC Department of Sociology and Anthropology (SoAn).

This tailor-made program will run for 36 Saturdays of coursework and fieldwork over a period of 12 months. It is jointly designed by SoAn and the Committee on Sites, Relics and Structures, one of the cultural and tourism committees created by Gov. Gwendolyn F. Garcia in her pioneering work of putting heritage and tourism as a platform of governance. The program is aimed at capacitating local government planners, engineers, tourism officers and even information as well as budget officers to synergize economic development with natural and cultural heritage conservation.

Courses under the program include History and Theory of Conservation; Research Methods in Heritage Conservation; Conservation Planning and Design; Economics of Conservation; Natural Resource Management; Conservation of Materials (Wood, Paper, Textile, Masonry, etc.); Heritage Interpretation; Heritage Tourism; Museology; Public Archaeology; and Public History.

It's nice to partipate this course. I hope it will be available next year.

archaeologue
May 14th, 2009, 06:38 PM
MGA BAI, THIS IS INTERESTING!! Open to all ages I believe?




yes, very much open to all ages. classes will be held at Museo Sugbo para duol ra ang practisanan sa mga students---the walls and floors sa museo, the wood, etc. also the items on display for conservation of materials, accessioning and cataloguing.

this is a permanent program so i'm sure that as long as students will enroll in numbers, the diploma program will continue. the next step is to raise this program to Master's level...which would entail the writing of a thesis.

archaeologue
May 14th, 2009, 06:38 PM
MGA BAI, THIS IS INTERESTING!! Open to all ages I believe?




yes, very much open to all ages. classes will be held at Museo Sugbo para duol ra ang practisanan sa mga students---the walls and floors sa museo, the wood, etc. also the items on display for conservation of materials, accessioning and cataloguing.

this is a permanent program so i'm sure that as long as students will enroll in numbers, the diploma program will continue. the next step is to raise this program to Master's level...which would entail the writing of a thesis.

Ang_Bantayanon
May 14th, 2009, 06:46 PM
yes, very much open to all ages. classes will be held at Museo Sugbo para duol ra ang practisanan sa mga students---the walls and floors sa museo, the wood, etc. also the items on display for conservation of materials, accessioning and cataloguing.

this is a permanent program so i'm sure that as long as students will enroll in numbers, the diploma program will continue. the next step is to raise this program to Master's level...which would entail the writing of a thesis.

If I enrol, pwede di nako mokuha sa history component?

Ang_Bantayanon
May 14th, 2009, 06:46 PM
yes, very much open to all ages. classes will be held at Museo Sugbo para duol ra ang practisanan sa mga students---the walls and floors sa museo, the wood, etc. also the items on display for conservation of materials, accessioning and cataloguing.

this is a permanent program so i'm sure that as long as students will enroll in numbers, the diploma program will continue. the next step is to raise this program to Master's level...which would entail the writing of a thesis.

If I enrol, pwede di nako mokuha sa history component?

AmbutLang
May 15th, 2009, 01:12 AM
^^Mukuha gihapon maski part nata sa history, refresher lang. :) Importante sab ning how to conserve sa heritage and better record keeping for the future generations. also to better ourselves. para dili ta kasulti unya anugon oi.

AmbutLang
May 15th, 2009, 01:12 AM
^^Mukuha gihapon maski part nata sa history, refresher lang. :) Importante sab ning how to conserve sa heritage and better record keeping for the future generations. also to better ourselves. para dili ta kasulti unya anugon oi.

archaeologue
May 15th, 2009, 04:09 AM
If I enrol, pwede di nako mokuha sa history component?

haha...required man, triz. but pwede na ka di mo-attend oi, 1.5 units ra na ang public history oi.

P26,000 ra ang entire 12 month-program. kaya kaau na nimo.

archaeologue
May 15th, 2009, 04:09 AM
If I enrol, pwede di nako mokuha sa history component?

haha...required man, triz. but pwede na ka di mo-attend oi, 1.5 units ra na ang public history oi.

P26,000 ra ang entire 12 month-program. kaya kaau na nimo.

Sleepwalker
May 15th, 2009, 04:59 AM
Naa pud ni on-site nga internship?...Heheheh

Maayo unta ma-feature ang Cebu sa National Geographic or History Channel oi... :)

Sleepwalker
May 15th, 2009, 04:59 AM
Naa pud ni on-site nga internship?...Heheheh

Maayo unta ma-feature ang Cebu sa National Geographic or History Channel oi... :)

archaeologue
May 15th, 2009, 05:52 AM
Naa pud ni on-site nga internship?...Heheheh

Maayo unta ma-feature ang Cebu sa National Geographic or History Channel oi... :)

i think the video crew that made a docu on our last excavations in boljoon might ask NGC if they are willing to air it.

archaeologue
May 15th, 2009, 05:52 AM
Naa pud ni on-site nga internship?...Heheheh

Maayo unta ma-feature ang Cebu sa National Geographic or History Channel oi... :)

i think the video crew that made a docu on our last excavations in boljoon might ask NGC if they are willing to air it.

Sleepwalker
May 15th, 2009, 05:52 AM
i think the video crew that made a docu on our last excavations in boljoon might ask NGC if they are willing to air it.

Manghinaot lang ko nga mosugot ang taga-NGC...If so, another wow for the heritage advocates sa Cebu....:banana:

Sleepwalker
May 15th, 2009, 05:52 AM
i think the video crew that made a docu on our last excavations in boljoon might ask NGC if they are willing to air it.

Manghinaot lang ko nga mosugot ang taga-NGC...If so, another wow for the heritage advocates sa Cebu....:banana:

Taga Bogo
May 15th, 2009, 06:09 AM
yes, very much open to all ages. classes will be held at Museo Sugbo para duol ra ang practisanan sa mga students---the walls and floors sa museo, the wood, etc. also the items on display for conservation of materials, accessioning and cataloguing.

this is a permanent program so i'm sure that as long as students will enroll in numbers, the diploma program will continue. the next step is to raise this program to Master's level...which would entail the writing of a thesis.

this is just a thought, wouldnt it be nice if the this can become a program of the province for LGU's tourism personnel and elected officials holding committees on the subject.

Taga Bogo
May 15th, 2009, 06:09 AM
yes, very much open to all ages. classes will be held at Museo Sugbo para duol ra ang practisanan sa mga students---the walls and floors sa museo, the wood, etc. also the items on display for conservation of materials, accessioning and cataloguing.

this is a permanent program so i'm sure that as long as students will enroll in numbers, the diploma program will continue. the next step is to raise this program to Master's level...which would entail the writing of a thesis.

this is just a thought, wouldnt it be nice if the this can become a program of the province for LGU's tourism personnel and elected officials holding committees on the subject.

Ang_Bantayanon
May 15th, 2009, 12:06 PM
haha...required man, triz. but pwede na ka di mo-attend oi, 1.5 units ra na ang public history oi.

P26,000 ra ang entire 12 month-program. kaya kaau na nimo.

Thank you sir. Bitaw, daghan na man kaayo kog history units gud.
Aside from you, who else is handling the other courses?
Wala scholarship grant for that? Bisan mag-research assistant lang ko.

Ang_Bantayanon
May 15th, 2009, 12:06 PM
haha...required man, triz. but pwede na ka di mo-attend oi, 1.5 units ra na ang public history oi.

P26,000 ra ang entire 12 month-program. kaya kaau na nimo.

Thank you sir. Bitaw, daghan na man kaayo kog history units gud.
Aside from you, who else is handling the other courses?
Wala scholarship grant for that? Bisan mag-research assistant lang ko.

archaeologue
May 15th, 2009, 05:38 PM
this is just a thought, wouldnt it be nice if the this can become a program of the province for LGU's tourism personnel and elected officials holding committees on the subject.

i agree with you. dapat pati gani mga mayor na unta program para ani like a one-week Executive Heritage Management Course or something like that.

the program targets LGU personnel coming from the towns/cities that had a rating of "Green" or "Excellent" in the operation of their local tourism and heritage councils, in the submission of participatory cultural mapping results, and in the replication at the barangay level of the heritage caravans we conducted.

In fact, the governor has just signed the scholarship fund for 25 LGU personnel to enroll in the program.

there is also an on-going Expanded Green and Wholesome Environment Now (eGwen) contest in which heritage is an important juding category.

archaeologue
May 15th, 2009, 05:38 PM
this is just a thought, wouldnt it be nice if the this can become a program of the province for LGU's tourism personnel and elected officials holding committees on the subject.

i agree with you. dapat pati gani mga mayor na unta program para ani like a one-week Executive Heritage Management Course or something like that.

the program targets LGU personnel coming from the towns/cities that had a rating of "Green" or "Excellent" in the operation of their local tourism and heritage councils, in the submission of participatory cultural mapping results, and in the replication at the barangay level of the heritage caravans we conducted.

In fact, the governor has just signed the scholarship fund for 25 LGU personnel to enroll in the program.

there is also an on-going Expanded Green and Wholesome Environment Now (eGwen) contest in which heritage is an important juding category.

archaeologue
May 15th, 2009, 05:54 PM
Thank you sir. Bitaw, daghan na man kaayo kog history units gud.
Aside from you, who else is handling the other courses?
Wala scholarship grant for that? Bisan mag-research assistant lang ko.

Mao ni ang courses:



FIRST TRIMESTER (June-September)

HC 201 Theories and Principles of Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 202 Heritage Research, Documentation and Valuation 3.0
HC 203 Economics of Heritage 3.0
Sub-Total 9.0 units

SECOND TRIMESTER (October-January)

HC 204 Cultural Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 205 Natural Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 206 Case Studies in Heritage Management 3.0
HC 207 Conservation Planning and Project Management 3.0
Sub-Total 12.0 units

THIRD TRIMESTER (February-May)

HC 208 Heritage Tourism and Ecotourism 1.5
HC 209 Museology 1.5
HC 210 Heritage Interpretation 1.5
HC 211 Public History 1.5
HC 212 Public Archaeology 1.5
Sub-Total 7.5 units
Grand Total 28.5 units


Other than me, this is the tentative faculty (in alphabetical order):

1. Gelena N. Asis (M.S. Environmental Management, UP College Cebu) – Faculty, Department of Hospitality Management, University of San Jose-Recoletos

2. Fr. Brian Brigoli, (M.A. Conservation Studies, UST), Curator – Cathedral Museum of Cebu, Inc., assistant parish priest, Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral

3. Rosebelle Daculan – (M.S. Biology (ABT), USC) – Natural Resource Conservation; Speleology

4. Archt. Melva Rodriguez-Java, (M.A. Anthropology–USC; Ph.D. Anthropology [cand., USC]. Director, Conservation and Heritage Studies (Cherish), USC College of Architecture and Fine Arts.

5. Ma. Lourdes Montenegro, (M.Phil – Cambridge University), Faculty, Department of Economics.

6. Pascual Emelio P. Pascual, (M.A., History – USC), Chair, USC Department of History.

7. Ruel Rigor (MURP, U.P. Diliman [cand.]), Faculty, University of San Jose-Recoletos

8. Marlene Socorro R. Samson (M.A. History, USC), Curator – USC University Museum.

9. Archt. Carmencita Solis (M.A. Environmental Management and Architecture – Asian Institute of Technology), Faculty, College of Architecture and Fine Arts

I think we will also ask Archt. Sheila Conejos to team teach with the other architecture faculty. Joy Martinez Onozawa was also recommended by Archt. Melva but we still do not know whether she wil be in the country this year.

There will also be visiting lecturers from Manila and abroad.

archaeologue
May 15th, 2009, 05:54 PM
Thank you sir. Bitaw, daghan na man kaayo kog history units gud.
Aside from you, who else is handling the other courses?
Wala scholarship grant for that? Bisan mag-research assistant lang ko.

Mao ni ang courses:



FIRST TRIMESTER (June-September)

HC 201 Theories and Principles of Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 202 Heritage Research, Documentation and Valuation 3.0
HC 203 Economics of Heritage 3.0
Sub-Total 9.0 units

SECOND TRIMESTER (October-January)

HC 204 Cultural Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 205 Natural Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 206 Case Studies in Heritage Management 3.0
HC 207 Conservation Planning and Project Management 3.0
Sub-Total 12.0 units

THIRD TRIMESTER (February-May)

HC 208 Heritage Tourism and Ecotourism 1.5
HC 209 Museology 1.5
HC 210 Heritage Interpretation 1.5
HC 211 Public History 1.5
HC 212 Public Archaeology 1.5
Sub-Total 7.5 units
Grand Total 28.5 units


Other than me, this is the tentative faculty (in alphabetical order):

1. Gelena N. Asis (M.S. Environmental Management, UP College Cebu) – Faculty, Department of Hospitality Management, University of San Jose-Recoletos

2. Fr. Brian Brigoli, (M.A. Conservation Studies, UST), Curator – Cathedral Museum of Cebu, Inc., assistant parish priest, Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral

3. Rosebelle Daculan – (M.S. Biology (ABT), USC) – Natural Resource Conservation; Speleology

4. Archt. Melva Rodriguez-Java, (M.A. Anthropology–USC; Ph.D. Anthropology [cand., USC]. Director, Conservation and Heritage Studies (Cherish), USC College of Architecture and Fine Arts.

5. Ma. Lourdes Montenegro, (M.Phil – Cambridge University), Faculty, Department of Economics.

6. Pascual Emelio P. Pascual, (M.A., History – USC), Chair, USC Department of History.

7. Ruel Rigor (MURP, U.P. Diliman [cand.]), Faculty, University of San Jose-Recoletos

8. Marlene Socorro R. Samson (M.A. History, USC), Curator – USC University Museum.

9. Archt. Carmencita Solis (M.A. Environmental Management and Architecture – Asian Institute of Technology), Faculty, College of Architecture and Fine Arts

I think we will also ask Archt. Sheila Conejos to team teach with the other architecture faculty. Joy Martinez Onozawa was also recommended by Archt. Melva but we still do not know whether she wil be in the country this year.

There will also be visiting lecturers from Manila and abroad.

sanvalente
May 16th, 2009, 02:02 AM
Mao ni ang courses:



FIRST TRIMESTER (June-September)

HC 201 Theories and Principles of Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 202 Heritage Research, Documentation and Valuation 3.0
HC 203 Economics of Heritage 3.0
Sub-Total 9.0 units

SECOND TRIMESTER (October-January)

HC 204 Cultural Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 205 Natural Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 206 Case Studies in Heritage Management 3.0
HC 207 Conservation Planning and Project Management 3.0
Sub-Total 12.0 units

THIRD TRIMESTER (February-May)

HC 208 Heritage Tourism and Ecotourism 1.5
HC 209 Museology 1.5
HC 210 Heritage Interpretation 1.5
HC 211 Public History 1.5
HC 212 Public Archaeology 1.5
Sub-Total 7.5 units
Grand Total 28.5 units




Bai Archaelologue,

If there's an interested taker and he thinks that he will be busy on
certain months, can he still enroll in the next trimester?

Are the subjects prepared in such a manner that they become pre-
requisites for the next trimester's subjects?

Mura ba ug irregular student sa undergrad....

sanvalente
May 16th, 2009, 02:02 AM
Mao ni ang courses:



FIRST TRIMESTER (June-September)

HC 201 Theories and Principles of Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 202 Heritage Research, Documentation and Valuation 3.0
HC 203 Economics of Heritage 3.0
Sub-Total 9.0 units

SECOND TRIMESTER (October-January)

HC 204 Cultural Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 205 Natural Heritage Conservation 3.0
HC 206 Case Studies in Heritage Management 3.0
HC 207 Conservation Planning and Project Management 3.0
Sub-Total 12.0 units

THIRD TRIMESTER (February-May)

HC 208 Heritage Tourism and Ecotourism 1.5
HC 209 Museology 1.5
HC 210 Heritage Interpretation 1.5
HC 211 Public History 1.5
HC 212 Public Archaeology 1.5
Sub-Total 7.5 units
Grand Total 28.5 units




Bai Archaelologue,

If there's an interested taker and he thinks that he will be busy on
certain months, can he still enroll in the next trimester?

Are the subjects prepared in such a manner that they become pre-
requisites for the next trimester's subjects?

Mura ba ug irregular student sa undergrad....

archaeologue
May 16th, 2009, 02:58 AM
Bai Archaelologue,

If there's an interested taker and he thinks that he will be busy on
certain months, can he still enroll in the next trimester?

Are the subjects prepared in such a manner that they become pre-
requisites for the next trimester's subjects?

Mura ba ug irregular student sa undergrad....

unfortunately, the subjects complement each other and are considered prerequisites to the next trimester.

but we might be offering this program every trimester. so i think there will be intakes in October for the second batch.

archaeologue
May 16th, 2009, 02:58 AM
Bai Archaelologue,

If there's an interested taker and he thinks that he will be busy on
certain months, can he still enroll in the next trimester?

Are the subjects prepared in such a manner that they become pre-
requisites for the next trimester's subjects?

Mura ba ug irregular student sa undergrad....

unfortunately, the subjects complement each other and are considered prerequisites to the next trimester.

but we might be offering this program every trimester. so i think there will be intakes in October for the second batch.

goleyson
May 16th, 2009, 08:06 PM
archaeologue, nice kaayo ang balay.. maayo unta ma save..

goleyson
May 16th, 2009, 08:06 PM
archaeologue, nice kaayo ang balay.. maayo unta ma save..

Taga Bogo
May 18th, 2009, 04:53 AM
i agree with you. dapat pati gani mga mayor na unta program para ani like a one-week Executive Heritage Management Course or something like that.

the program targets LGU personnel coming from the towns/cities that had a rating of "Green" or "Excellent" in the operation of their local tourism and heritage councils, in the submission of participatory cultural mapping results, and in the replication at the barangay level of the heritage caravans we conducted.

In fact, the governor has just signed the scholarship fund for 25 LGU personnel to enroll in the program.

there is also an on-going Expanded Green and Wholesome Environment Now (eGwen) contest in which heritage is an important juding category.

If you want to target Mayors as "listeners" I think you may want to reconsider the whole week course. Perhaps, if I may suggest a half day overview and an optional whole week should they opt to pursue further knowledge. A kind of teaser. With the many activities and other engagements, mayors may need some coaxing why they should spend a week away from there constituents.

Taga Bogo
May 18th, 2009, 04:53 AM
i agree with you. dapat pati gani mga mayor na unta program para ani like a one-week Executive Heritage Management Course or something like that.

the program targets LGU personnel coming from the towns/cities that had a rating of "Green" or "Excellent" in the operation of their local tourism and heritage councils, in the submission of participatory cultural mapping results, and in the replication at the barangay level of the heritage caravans we conducted.

In fact, the governor has just signed the scholarship fund for 25 LGU personnel to enroll in the program.

there is also an on-going Expanded Green and Wholesome Environment Now (eGwen) contest in which heritage is an important juding category.

If you want to target Mayors as "listeners" I think you may want to reconsider the whole week course. Perhaps, if I may suggest a half day overview and an optional whole week should they opt to pursue further knowledge. A kind of teaser. With the many activities and other engagements, mayors may need some coaxing why they should spend a week away from there constituents.

archaeologue
May 18th, 2009, 04:38 PM
If you want to target Mayors as "listeners" I think you may want to reconsider the whole week course. Perhaps, if I may suggest a half day overview and an optional whole week should they opt to pursue further knowledge. A kind of teaser. With the many activities and other engagements, mayors may need some coaxing why they should spend a week away from there constituents.

in my experience with the four-year heritage caravans we conducted involving all the 52 LGUs of Cebu, very few mayors are ever interested in sitting down even for just one hour.

let me tell you about the the caravans because this gives some backgrounder why we have reached the level of creating a professional diploma course.

Each Provincial Heritage Caravan clustered 6 to 7 contiguous towns/cities in a two-step training module. we made 11 clusters and trained nearly 250 members of the local heritage councils on two modules on different days and venues.

Module 1 (3 days): the basics of heritage: what is heritage, what are heritage statutes/inernational agreements (like the Burra Charter), what is site significance, documentation, cultural mapping, architectural/built heritage, etc. workshops were held in between lectures.

then came the test: go back to your towns and produce your cultural maps on your own. do not hire outsiders. do the picture-taking yourselves, look for heritage sites, structures and objects/relics also: old photographs, ecclesiasitcal objects, domestic relics, even farming tools. look for old houses, even an old tree or a place were some significant events happened in the town/city. photograph and document these yourselves.

then do the same training at the barangay level and then ask these barangay councils to submit cultural maps from their level. submit these maps to the committee and display the same at the city/municipal hall.

then came Module 2 a few months later: two days of Conservation Management Planning for those that successfully submitted their cultural maps. here the participants are taught about valuation and the determination of priorities for heritage conservation, as well as for interpretation and promotion of sites.

Except for one town and one city, all have finally submitted but we have clustered them in three levels: Green (for echoing the training at the barangay level and for doing the cultural maps with very little or no budget from the LGU) to Red (those that barely did it---for compliance only lang).

It is out of those that are in Green (about 42 towns now) that we will select the 25 scholars.

mayors? many of them usually stay only for the opening program.

anyway, they come and go in politics. what remain are the municipal planners, engineers, budget officers, etc.

and we have some success stories. like in Talisay where the City planning and develoment officer has demanded subdivisions in historic battle sites of WW II to divert planned roads, preserve old trees etc. as part of the requirements prior to approving the subdivision plan.

in santander, the documentation and conservation of old watchtowers now in private lands has began; a heritage ordinance is now in place.

there are more success stories and they all began not with mayors but with these plantilla officers.

this is where the future of heritage conservation will be: those who plan for heritage zones, those who approve subdivisions plans, etc.

archaeologue
May 18th, 2009, 04:38 PM
If you want to target Mayors as "listeners" I think you may want to reconsider the whole week course. Perhaps, if I may suggest a half day overview and an optional whole week should they opt to pursue further knowledge. A kind of teaser. With the many activities and other engagements, mayors may need some coaxing why they should spend a week away from there constituents.

in my experience with the four-year heritage caravans we conducted involving all the 52 LGUs of Cebu, very few mayors are ever interested in sitting down even for just one hour.

let me tell you about the the caravans because this gives some backgrounder why we have reached the level of creating a professional diploma course.

Each Provincial Heritage Caravan clustered 6 to 7 contiguous towns/cities in a two-step training module. we made 11 clusters and trained nearly 250 members of the local heritage councils on two modules on different days and venues.

Module 1 (3 days): the basics of heritage: what is heritage, what are heritage statutes/inernational agreements (like the Burra Charter), what is site significance, documentation, cultural mapping, architectural/built heritage, etc. workshops were held in between lectures.

then came the test: go back to your towns and produce your cultural maps on your own. do not hire outsiders. do the picture-taking yourselves, look for heritage sites, structures and objects/relics also: old photographs, ecclesiasitcal objects, domestic relics, even farming tools. look for old houses, even an old tree or a place were some significant events happened in the town/city. photograph and document these yourselves.

then do the same training at the barangay level and then ask these barangay councils to submit cultural maps from their level. submit these maps to the committee and display the same at the city/municipal hall.

then came Module 2 a few months later: two days of Conservation Management Planning for those that successfully submitted their cultural maps. here the participants are taught about valuation and the determination of priorities for heritage conservation, as well as for interpretation and promotion of sites.

Except for one town and one city, all have finally submitted but we have clustered them in three levels: Green (for echoing the training at the barangay level and for doing the cultural maps with very little or no budget from the LGU) to Red (those that barely did it---for compliance only lang).

It is out of those that are in Green (about 42 towns now) that we will select the 25 scholars.

mayors? many of them usually stay only for the opening program.

anyway, they come and go in politics. what remain are the municipal planners, engineers, budget officers, etc.

and we have some success stories. like in Talisay where the City planning and develoment officer has demanded subdivisions in historic battle sites of WW II to divert planned roads, preserve old trees etc. as part of the requirements prior to approving the subdivision plan.

in santander, the documentation and conservation of old watchtowers now in private lands has began; a heritage ordinance is now in place.

there are more success stories and they all began not with mayors but with these plantilla officers.

this is where the future of heritage conservation will be: those who plan for heritage zones, those who approve subdivisions plans, etc.

Ka_Bino
May 18th, 2009, 04:58 PM
May 18, 2009

An Invitation from the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.

May we invite you to a Press Conference for the Gabii sa Kabilin at 3 p.m. on Thursday, May 21 at the Casa Gorordo Museum in Parian?

The third Gabii sa Kabilin (Night of the Museums) will happen at 6p.m.-12 m.n. on May 29. The event is the only one of its kind in Asia and the Philippines offered once-a-year for one night when participating museums showcase their collections beyond their operating hours. This wholesome event is usually participated by families and friends, students and professionals, the young and old.

Such event was conceptualized by the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.’s Cultural Heritage Program for the locals, especially the children, as well as tourists to understand and appreciate Cebuano history and culture. Also, the event coincides with the National Heritage Month and the International Museum Day during the month of May.

This year’s run of the event will continue to showcase the same activities as well as introduce new experiences, such as:

· Multiple entrances, from 6 p.m. to 12 m.n., to six museums (Casa Gorordo Museum, Yap-Sandiego Ancestral House, Cathedral Museum of Cebu, Basilica del Santo Niño Museum, Fort San Pedro and Museo Sugbu) in the downtown area for only Php 100.00
· Special exhibits will also be showcased (such as the Casa Gorordo Museum’s exhibit on Bishop Juan Gorordo’s, first Cebuano bishop, 100th Anniversary as Bishop of Cebu
· Multiple tartanilla rides around the downtown museum belt for only Php 50.00
· Walking heritage tours (with the guides in costume) around the old Cebu area offered
· Live performances of music and dances (where audience participation is encouraged) as well as poetry and play at each of the museums
· Cebuano food and delicacies as well Cebuano arts and crafts are showcased and sold at certain venues
· The downtown museum belt route will be specially illuminated by VECO
· For safety, the route will be manned by the Cebu City Tourist Police
We hope to meet you or your representative/s to the press con of this growing tradition in the Cebuano cultural scene.

For inquiries and/or confirmation, please contact Harold de Mesa at 418-7234 local 520, or email hdemesa@rafi.org.ph.

Ka_Bino
May 18th, 2009, 04:58 PM
May 18, 2009

An Invitation from the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.

May we invite you to a Press Conference for the Gabii sa Kabilin at 3 p.m. on Thursday, May 21 at the Casa Gorordo Museum in Parian?

The third Gabii sa Kabilin (Night of the Museums) will happen at 6p.m.-12 m.n. on May 29. The event is the only one of its kind in Asia and the Philippines offered once-a-year for one night when participating museums showcase their collections beyond their operating hours. This wholesome event is usually participated by families and friends, students and professionals, the young and old.

Such event was conceptualized by the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.’s Cultural Heritage Program for the locals, especially the children, as well as tourists to understand and appreciate Cebuano history and culture. Also, the event coincides with the National Heritage Month and the International Museum Day during the month of May.

This year’s run of the event will continue to showcase the same activities as well as introduce new experiences, such as:

· Multiple entrances, from 6 p.m. to 12 m.n., to six museums (Casa Gorordo Museum, Yap-Sandiego Ancestral House, Cathedral Museum of Cebu, Basilica del Santo Niño Museum, Fort San Pedro and Museo Sugbu) in the downtown area for only Php 100.00
· Special exhibits will also be showcased (such as the Casa Gorordo Museum’s exhibit on Bishop Juan Gorordo’s, first Cebuano bishop, 100th Anniversary as Bishop of Cebu
· Multiple tartanilla rides around the downtown museum belt for only Php 50.00
· Walking heritage tours (with the guides in costume) around the old Cebu area offered
· Live performances of music and dances (where audience participation is encouraged) as well as poetry and play at each of the museums
· Cebuano food and delicacies as well Cebuano arts and crafts are showcased and sold at certain venues
· The downtown museum belt route will be specially illuminated by VECO
· For safety, the route will be manned by the Cebu City Tourist Police
We hope to meet you or your representative/s to the press con of this growing tradition in the Cebuano cultural scene.

For inquiries and/or confirmation, please contact Harold de Mesa at 418-7234 local 520, or email hdemesa@rafi.org.ph.

Sinjin P.
May 18th, 2009, 06:26 PM
Clarification: Is it Kabilin or Habilin? Thanks

Sinjin P.
May 18th, 2009, 06:26 PM
Clarification: Is it Kabilin or Habilin? Thanks

MatudNilaBaby
May 19th, 2009, 02:37 AM
May 18, 2009

An Invitation from the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.

May we invite you to a Press Conference for the Gabii sa Kabilin at 3 p.m. on Thursday, May 21 at the Casa Gorordo Museum in Parian?

The third Gabii sa Kabilin (Night of the Museums) will happen at 6p.m.-12 m.n. on May 29. The event is the only one of its kind in Asia and the Philippines offered once-a-year for one night when participating museums showcase their collections beyond their operating hours. This wholesome event is usually participated by families and friends, students and professionals, the young and old.

Such event was conceptualized by the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.’s Cultural Heritage Program for the locals, especially the children, as well as tourists to understand and appreciate Cebuano history and culture. Also, the event coincides with the National Heritage Month and the International Museum Day during the month of May.

This year’s run of the event will continue to showcase the same activities as well as introduce new experiences, such as:

· Multiple entrances, from 6 p.m. to 12 m.n., to six museums (Casa Gorordo Museum, Yap-Sandiego Ancestral House, Cathedral Museum of Cebu, Basilica del Santo Niño Museum, Fort San Pedro and Museo Sugbu) in the downtown area for only Php 100.00
· Special exhibits will also be showcased (such as the Casa Gorordo Museum’s exhibit on Bishop Juan Gorordo’s, first Cebuano bishop, 100th Anniversary as Bishop of Cebu
· Multiple tartanilla rides around the downtown museum belt for only Php 50.00
· Walking heritage tours (with the guides in costume) around the old Cebu area offered
· Live performances of music and dances (where audience participation is encouraged) as well as poetry and play at each of the museums
· Cebuano food and delicacies as well Cebuano arts and crafts are showcased and sold at certain venues
· The downtown museum belt route will be specially illuminated by VECO
· For safety, the route will be manned by the Cebu City Tourist Police
We hope to meet you or your representative/s to the press con of this growing tradition in the Cebuano cultural scene.

For inquiries and/or confirmation, please contact Harold de Mesa at 418-7234 local 520, or email hdemesa@rafi.org.ph.

why is the usc museum not part of the gabii sa kabilin if we're lookin into cebuano history and culture?

MatudNilaBaby
May 19th, 2009, 02:37 AM
May 18, 2009

An Invitation from the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.

May we invite you to a Press Conference for the Gabii sa Kabilin at 3 p.m. on Thursday, May 21 at the Casa Gorordo Museum in Parian?

The third Gabii sa Kabilin (Night of the Museums) will happen at 6p.m.-12 m.n. on May 29. The event is the only one of its kind in Asia and the Philippines offered once-a-year for one night when participating museums showcase their collections beyond their operating hours. This wholesome event is usually participated by families and friends, students and professionals, the young and old.

Such event was conceptualized by the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.’s Cultural Heritage Program for the locals, especially the children, as well as tourists to understand and appreciate Cebuano history and culture. Also, the event coincides with the National Heritage Month and the International Museum Day during the month of May.

This year’s run of the event will continue to showcase the same activities as well as introduce new experiences, such as:

· Multiple entrances, from 6 p.m. to 12 m.n., to six museums (Casa Gorordo Museum, Yap-Sandiego Ancestral House, Cathedral Museum of Cebu, Basilica del Santo Niño Museum, Fort San Pedro and Museo Sugbu) in the downtown area for only Php 100.00
· Special exhibits will also be showcased (such as the Casa Gorordo Museum’s exhibit on Bishop Juan Gorordo’s, first Cebuano bishop, 100th Anniversary as Bishop of Cebu
· Multiple tartanilla rides around the downtown museum belt for only Php 50.00
· Walking heritage tours (with the guides in costume) around the old Cebu area offered
· Live performances of music and dances (where audience participation is encouraged) as well as poetry and play at each of the museums
· Cebuano food and delicacies as well Cebuano arts and crafts are showcased and sold at certain venues
· The downtown museum belt route will be specially illuminated by VECO
· For safety, the route will be manned by the Cebu City Tourist Police
We hope to meet you or your representative/s to the press con of this growing tradition in the Cebuano cultural scene.

For inquiries and/or confirmation, please contact Harold de Mesa at 418-7234 local 520, or email hdemesa@rafi.org.ph.

why is the usc museum not part of the gabii sa kabilin if we're lookin into cebuano history and culture?

Ang_Bantayanon
May 19th, 2009, 02:43 AM
why is the usc museum not part of the gabii sa kabilin if we're lookin into cebuano history and culture?

Because it is out of the museum belt and it can't change schedules.

Ang_Bantayanon
May 19th, 2009, 02:43 AM
why is the usc museum not part of the gabii sa kabilin if we're lookin into cebuano history and culture?

Because it is out of the museum belt and it can't change schedules.

MatudNilaBaby
May 19th, 2009, 02:59 AM
Because it is out of the museum belt and it can't change schedules.

usc is a few blocks away from santo nino, cathedral and parian. isnt museo sugbo in srp?

MatudNilaBaby
May 19th, 2009, 02:59 AM
Because it is out of the museum belt and it can't change schedules.

usc is a few blocks away from santo nino, cathedral and parian. isnt museo sugbo in srp?

Animo
May 19th, 2009, 03:35 AM
Clarification: Is it Kabilin or Habilin? Thanks

Kabilin means legacy, right? In my understanding I would use habilin that would be equivalent to bequest or inheritance in English, correct?

Animo
May 19th, 2009, 03:35 AM
Clarification: Is it Kabilin or Habilin? Thanks

Kabilin means legacy, right? In my understanding I would use habilin that would be equivalent to bequest or inheritance in English, correct?

Sleepwalker
May 19th, 2009, 03:39 AM
usc is a few blocks away from santo nino, cathedral and parian. isnt museo sugbo in srp?

Museo Sugbo is along M.J. Cuenco Ave. It used to be the Cebu Provincial Detention Center... :)

Gikan sa Casa Gorordo, pwede na siguro molahos sa Museo Sugbo.. :)

Sleepwalker
May 19th, 2009, 03:39 AM
usc is a few blocks away from santo nino, cathedral and parian. isnt museo sugbo in srp?

Museo Sugbo is along M.J. Cuenco Ave. It used to be the Cebu Provincial Detention Center... :)

Gikan sa Casa Gorordo, pwede na siguro molahos sa Museo Sugbo.. :)

Taga Bogo
May 19th, 2009, 10:22 AM
in my experience with the four-year heritage caravans we conducted involving all the 52 LGUs of Cebu, very few mayors are ever interested in sitting down even for just one hour.




"mayors? many of them usually stay only for the opening program." - bitaw, usually till after there presence are acknowleged or after the speech of somebody higher :)

"anyway, they come and go in politics. what remain are the municipal planners, engineers, budget officers, etc." - usually the mayor, the treasurer, the budget officer and the accounting are co-terminus :)

"and we have some success stories. like in Talisay where the City planning and develoment officer has demanded subdivisions in historic battle sites of WW II to divert planned roads, preserve old trees etc." - it sure would be nice if many are enabled as these are.

"this is where the future of heritage conservation will be: those who plan for heritage zones, those who approve subdivisions plans, etc" - constantly on the move as they are but still the go signal and (hopefully) the support emanates from the executives. A drum beating on awareness here and there can be of help. Usahay uso uso ra man gud ang khinanglan. Though some critics would call the suroy suroy as superficial, the long term effect is the awareness of what are available in cebu province.

Taga Bogo
May 19th, 2009, 10:22 AM
in my experience with the four-year heritage caravans we conducted involving all the 52 LGUs of Cebu, very few mayors are ever interested in sitting down even for just one hour.




"mayors? many of them usually stay only for the opening program." - bitaw, usually till after there presence are acknowleged or after the speech of somebody higher :)

"anyway, they come and go in politics. what remain are the municipal planners, engineers, budget officers, etc." - usually the mayor, the treasurer, the budget officer and the accounting are co-terminus :)

"and we have some success stories. like in Talisay where the City planning and develoment officer has demanded subdivisions in historic battle sites of WW II to divert planned roads, preserve old trees etc." - it sure would be nice if many are enabled as these are.

"this is where the future of heritage conservation will be: those who plan for heritage zones, those who approve subdivisions plans, etc" - constantly on the move as they are but still the go signal and (hopefully) the support emanates from the executives. A drum beating on awareness here and there can be of help. Usahay uso uso ra man gud ang khinanglan. Though some critics would call the suroy suroy as superficial, the long term effect is the awareness of what are available in cebu province.

LordCarnal
May 19th, 2009, 11:05 AM
See you guys on the 29th!

The Cathedral Museum of Cebu

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3504249152_199b53766e.jpg


Museu Sugbo (formerly the Carcel de Cebu, or Cebu Jail)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/2995423936_c11fa7b593.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2995421126_29cd7a4379.jpg

LordCarnal
May 19th, 2009, 11:05 AM
See you guys on the 29th!

The Cathedral Museum of Cebu

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3504249152_199b53766e.jpg


Museu Sugbo (formerly the Carcel de Cebu, or Cebu Jail)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/2995423936_c11fa7b593.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2995421126_29cd7a4379.jpg

Taga Bogo
May 19th, 2009, 11:34 AM
archaeologue read this from http://www.tslr.net/2007/10/batanes-philippines.html

Austronesians are believed to have originated in Southern China and Indochina and reached the Batanes Archipelago in 3,500 BC. Batanes was the stepping stone in the start of a great migratory wave that led Austronesians through the Philippines, one of the land bridges for the rest of Asia. Just about a thousand years later, they moved on from the Philippines and expanded towards Borneo, Sulawesi, and eastern Indonesia. A thousand years later they continued to travel from eastern Indonesia to Micronesia and Polynesia, reaching as far as Madagascar on the African shores of the Indian Ocean.

Made me more curious, are there any archaeological traces of this Austronesian migration in Cebu?

Taga Bogo
May 19th, 2009, 11:34 AM
archaeologue read this from http://www.tslr.net/2007/10/batanes-philippines.html

Austronesians are believed to have originated in Southern China and Indochina and reached the Batanes Archipelago in 3,500 BC. Batanes was the stepping stone in the start of a great migratory wave that led Austronesians through the Philippines, one of the land bridges for the rest of Asia. Just about a thousand years later, they moved on from the Philippines and expanded towards Borneo, Sulawesi, and eastern Indonesia. A thousand years later they continued to travel from eastern Indonesia to Micronesia and Polynesia, reaching as far as Madagascar on the African shores of the Indian Ocean.

Made me more curious, are there any archaeological traces of this Austronesian migration in Cebu?

maayomo
May 19th, 2009, 04:24 PM
See you guys on the 29th!

The Cathedral Museum of Cebu

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3504249152_199b53766e.jpg


Museu Sugbo (formerly the Carcel de Cebu, or Cebu Jail)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/2995423936_c11fa7b593.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2995421126_29cd7a4379.jpg


Bai, singit lang ko, August daw mag grand opening ang Museo Sugbo, noh? Apil na ang galleries sa National Historical Institute ug sa National Museum. Maka-excite pud. : )

maayomo
May 19th, 2009, 04:24 PM
See you guys on the 29th!

The Cathedral Museum of Cebu

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3504249152_199b53766e.jpg


Museu Sugbo (formerly the Carcel de Cebu, or Cebu Jail)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/2995423936_c11fa7b593.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2995421126_29cd7a4379.jpg


Bai, singit lang ko, August daw mag grand opening ang Museo Sugbo, noh? Apil na ang galleries sa National Historical Institute ug sa National Museum. Maka-excite pud. : )

MatudNilaBaby
May 19th, 2009, 06:32 PM
Museo Sugbo is along M.J. Cuenco Ave. It used to be the Cebu Provincial Detention Center... :)

Gikan sa Casa Gorordo, pwede na siguro molahos sa Museo Sugbo.. :)

oic i thought i saw a pix of a museum on the srp lot diri nga naka post diri.

MatudNilaBaby
May 19th, 2009, 06:32 PM
Museo Sugbo is along M.J. Cuenco Ave. It used to be the Cebu Provincial Detention Center... :)

Gikan sa Casa Gorordo, pwede na siguro molahos sa Museo Sugbo.. :)

oic i thought i saw a pix of a museum on the srp lot diri nga naka post diri.

MatudNilaBaby
May 19th, 2009, 06:35 PM
Clarification: Is it Kabilin or Habilin? Thanks

is this event pattern after the new movie: night at the ?

MatudNilaBaby
May 19th, 2009, 06:35 PM
Clarification: Is it Kabilin or Habilin? Thanks

is this event pattern after the new movie: night at the ?

Ka_Bino
May 20th, 2009, 09:46 AM
Gabii sa Kabilin is patterned after the cultural event in Berlin, Germany called Lange Nacht der Museum or long night in the museums where museums and cultural institutions remain open at night.

Ka_Bino
May 20th, 2009, 09:46 AM
Gabii sa Kabilin is patterned after the cultural event in Berlin, Germany called Lange Nacht der Museum or long night in the museums where museums and cultural institutions remain open at night.

Ka_Bino
May 20th, 2009, 09:58 AM
May 18, 2009

An Invitation from the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.

May we invite you to a Press Conference for the Gabii sa Kabilin at 3 p.m. on Thursday, May 21 at the Casa Gorordo Museum in Parian?

The third Gabii sa Kabilin (Night of the Museums) will happen at 6p.m.-12 m.n. on May 29. The event is the only one of its kind in Asia and the Philippines offered once-a-year for one night when participating museums showcase their collections beyond their operating hours. This wholesome event is usually participated by families and friends, students and professionals, the young and old.

Such event was conceptualized by the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.’s Cultural Heritage Program for the locals, especially the children, as well as tourists to understand and appreciate Cebuano history and culture. Also, the event coincides with the National Heritage Month and the International Museum Day during the month of May.

This year’s run of the event will continue to showcase the same activities as well as introduce new experiences, such as:

· Multiple entrances, from 6 p.m. to 12 m.n., to six museums (Casa Gorordo Museum, Yap-Sandiego Ancestral House, Cathedral Museum of Cebu, Basilica del Santo Niño Museum, Fort San Pedro and Museo Sugbu) in the downtown area for only Php 100.00
· Special exhibits will also be showcased (such as the Casa Gorordo Museum’s exhibit on Bishop Juan Gorordo’s, first Cebuano bishop, 100th Anniversary as Bishop of Cebu
· Multiple tartanilla rides around the downtown museum belt for only Php 50.00
· Walking heritage tours (with the guides in costume) around the old Cebu area offered
· Live performances of music and dances (where audience participation is encouraged) as well as poetry and play at each of the museums
· Cebuano food and delicacies as well Cebuano arts and crafts are showcased and sold at certain venues
· The downtown museum belt route will be specially illuminated by VECO
· For safety, the route will be manned by the Cebu City Tourist Police
We hope to meet you or your representative/s to the press con of this growing tradition in the Cebuano cultural scene.

For inquiries and/or confirmation, please contact Harold de Mesa at 418-7234 local 520, or email hdemesa@rafi.org.ph.

Press Briefing for the Gabii sa Kabilin is reset at 10am instead of 3pm on Thursday, May 21 at the Casa Gorordo Museum in Parian.

Ka_Bino
May 20th, 2009, 09:58 AM
May 18, 2009

An Invitation from the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.

May we invite you to a Press Conference for the Gabii sa Kabilin at 3 p.m. on Thursday, May 21 at the Casa Gorordo Museum in Parian?

The third Gabii sa Kabilin (Night of the Museums) will happen at 6p.m.-12 m.n. on May 29. The event is the only one of its kind in Asia and the Philippines offered once-a-year for one night when participating museums showcase their collections beyond their operating hours. This wholesome event is usually participated by families and friends, students and professionals, the young and old.

Such event was conceptualized by the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc.’s Cultural Heritage Program for the locals, especially the children, as well as tourists to understand and appreciate Cebuano history and culture. Also, the event coincides with the National Heritage Month and the International Museum Day during the month of May.

This year’s run of the event will continue to showcase the same activities as well as introduce new experiences, such as:

· Multiple entrances, from 6 p.m. to 12 m.n., to six museums (Casa Gorordo Museum, Yap-Sandiego Ancestral House, Cathedral Museum of Cebu, Basilica del Santo Niño Museum, Fort San Pedro and Museo Sugbu) in the downtown area for only Php 100.00
· Special exhibits will also be showcased (such as the Casa Gorordo Museum’s exhibit on Bishop Juan Gorordo’s, first Cebuano bishop, 100th Anniversary as Bishop of Cebu
· Multiple tartanilla rides around the downtown museum belt for only Php 50.00
· Walking heritage tours (with the guides in costume) around the old Cebu area offered
· Live performances of music and dances (where audience participation is encouraged) as well as poetry and play at each of the museums
· Cebuano food and delicacies as well Cebuano arts and crafts are showcased and sold at certain venues
· The downtown museum belt route will be specially illuminated by VECO
· For safety, the route will be manned by the Cebu City Tourist Police
We hope to meet you or your representative/s to the press con of this growing tradition in the Cebuano cultural scene.

For inquiries and/or confirmation, please contact Harold de Mesa at 418-7234 local 520, or email hdemesa@rafi.org.ph.

Press Briefing for the Gabii sa Kabilin is reset at 10am instead of 3pm on Thursday, May 21 at the Casa Gorordo Museum in Parian.

archaeologue
May 20th, 2009, 01:03 PM
archaeologue read this from http://www.tslr.net/2007/10/batanes-philippines.html

Austronesians are believed to have originated in Southern China and Indochina and reached the Batanes Archipelago in 3,500 BC. Batanes was the stepping stone in the start of a great migratory wave that led Austronesians through the Philippines, one of the land bridges for the rest of Asia. Just about a thousand years later, they moved on from the Philippines and expanded towards Borneo, Sulawesi, and eastern Indonesia. A thousand years later they continued to travel from eastern Indonesia to Micronesia and Polynesia, reaching as far as Madagascar on the African shores of the Indian Ocean.

Made me more curious, are there any archaeological traces of this Austronesian migration in Cebu?

We are the Austronesians, Boy. No need to excavate for evidence. heheh.

Bitaw, the Malay blood that flows in our veins (even if na-mestizo intsik o kastila na ta) makes us as Austronesian as those of Malaysians and Indonesians.

If you are asking about Neolithic evidences in Cebu, there are stone tools now on display at Museo (not Museu, ArnoldCarl heheh!) Sugbo, and also at USC. Yes, they do represent the Austronesians.

But whether the theory that the came from southern China is correct or not, well that is still debated and the jury is still out.

Incidentally, as promised earlier, we excavated another burial at the tunnel project: a female accompanied by a Vietnamese jarlet and celadon saucers.

archaeologue
May 20th, 2009, 01:03 PM
archaeologue read this from http://www.tslr.net/2007/10/batanes-philippines.html

Austronesians are believed to have originated in Southern China and Indochina and reached the Batanes Archipelago in 3,500 BC. Batanes was the stepping stone in the start of a great migratory wave that led Austronesians through the Philippines, one of the land bridges for the rest of Asia. Just about a thousand years later, they moved on from the Philippines and expanded towards Borneo, Sulawesi, and eastern Indonesia. A thousand years later they continued to travel from eastern Indonesia to Micronesia and Polynesia, reaching as far as Madagascar on the African shores of the Indian Ocean.

Made me more curious, are there any archaeological traces of this Austronesian migration in Cebu?

We are the Austronesians, Boy. No need to excavate for evidence. heheh.

Bitaw, the Malay blood that flows in our veins (even if na-mestizo intsik o kastila na ta) makes us as Austronesian as those of Malaysians and Indonesians.

If you are asking about Neolithic evidences in Cebu, there are stone tools now on display at Museo (not Museu, ArnoldCarl heheh!) Sugbo, and also at USC. Yes, they do represent the Austronesians.

But whether the theory that the came from southern China is correct or not, well that is still debated and the jury is still out.

Incidentally, as promised earlier, we excavated another burial at the tunnel project: a female accompanied by a Vietnamese jarlet and celadon saucers.

archaeologue
May 20th, 2009, 01:06 PM
Bai, singit lang ko, August daw mag grand opening ang Museo Sugbo, noh? Apil na ang galleries sa National Historical Institute ug sa National Museum. Maka-excite pud. : )

yes, and we will also hopefully open the Sen. Vicente Sotto archives and the World War II memorial together with the Jovito Abellana memorabilia.

archaeologue
May 20th, 2009, 01:06 PM
Bai, singit lang ko, August daw mag grand opening ang Museo Sugbo, noh? Apil na ang galleries sa National Historical Institute ug sa National Museum. Maka-excite pud. : )

yes, and we will also hopefully open the Sen. Vicente Sotto archives and the World War II memorial together with the Jovito Abellana memorabilia.

archaeologue
May 20th, 2009, 01:08 PM
oic i thought i saw a pix of a museum on the srp lot diri nga naka post diri.

you mean the Compana Maritima? that is not yet a museum...or probably never will?

Museo Sugbo is the former prison complex of Cebu, old Carcel de Cebu built in 1871-92, now a museum.

archaeologue
May 20th, 2009, 01:08 PM
oic i thought i saw a pix of a museum on the srp lot diri nga naka post diri.

you mean the Compana Maritima? that is not yet a museum...or probably never will?

Museo Sugbo is the former prison complex of Cebu, old Carcel de Cebu built in 1871-92, now a museum.

LordCarnal
May 21st, 2009, 10:47 AM
^^

I heard a while ago that you'll be using the Gotiaoco Building.

I read somewhere that this building, built in the 1920s, is the first building in Cebu to have an elevator.

I also saw a photo of this building in John Gokongwei's biography, currently being sold at Powerbooks and other bookstores.

Hehehe..

Congrats archaeologue for your undertakings and more power!

:banana:

http://cebuheritage.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/go_tia_co_building01.jpg

LordCarnal
May 21st, 2009, 10:47 AM
^^

I heard a while ago that you'll be using the Gotiaoco Building.

I read somewhere that this building, built in the 1920s, is the first building in Cebu to have an elevator.

I also saw a photo of this building in John Gokongwei's biography, currently being sold at Powerbooks and other bookstores.

Hehehe..

Congrats archaeologue for your undertakings and more power!

:banana:

http://cebuheritage.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/go_tia_co_building01.jpg

Taga Bogo
May 21st, 2009, 12:36 PM
We are the Austronesians, Boy. No need to excavate for evidence. heheh.

Bitaw, the Malay blood that flows in our veins (even if na-mestizo intsik o kastila na ta) makes us as Austronesian as those of Malaysians and Indonesians.

If you are asking about Neolithic evidences in Cebu, there are stone tools now on display at Museo (not Museu, ArnoldCarl heheh!) Sugbo, and also at USC. Yes, they do represent the Austronesians.

But whether the theory that the came from southern China is correct or not, well that is still debated and the jury is still out.

Incidentally, as promised earlier, we excavated another burial at the tunnel project: a female accompanied by a Vietnamese jarlet and celadon saucers.

just showing my ignorance on the topic. Got confused as I am always under the impression that the malay migrated from places down south of the Philippines. That the negritos came before them. Just have not connected the dots yet between the story of the golden salakot and the Neolithic period.

Oh boy, back to the history books then, better yet will PESTER you more for an overview on this topic next we meet :)

"Incidentally, as promised earlier, we excavated another burial at the tunnel project: a female accompanied by a Vietnamese jarlet and celadon saucers" - can you post more pictures on your latest find

Taga Bogo
May 21st, 2009, 12:36 PM
We are the Austronesians, Boy. No need to excavate for evidence. heheh.

Bitaw, the Malay blood that flows in our veins (even if na-mestizo intsik o kastila na ta) makes us as Austronesian as those of Malaysians and Indonesians.

If you are asking about Neolithic evidences in Cebu, there are stone tools now on display at Museo (not Museu, ArnoldCarl heheh!) Sugbo, and also at USC. Yes, they do represent the Austronesians.

But whether the theory that the came from southern China is correct or not, well that is still debated and the jury is still out.

Incidentally, as promised earlier, we excavated another burial at the tunnel project: a female accompanied by a Vietnamese jarlet and celadon saucers.

just showing my ignorance on the topic. Got confused as I am always under the impression that the malay migrated from places down south of the Philippines. That the negritos came before them. Just have not connected the dots yet between the story of the golden salakot and the Neolithic period.

Oh boy, back to the history books then, better yet will PESTER you more for an overview on this topic next we meet :)

"Incidentally, as promised earlier, we excavated another burial at the tunnel project: a female accompanied by a Vietnamese jarlet and celadon saucers" - can you post more pictures on your latest find

maayomo
May 21st, 2009, 01:45 PM
^^

I heard a while ago that you'll be using the Gotiaoco Building.

I read somewhere that this building, built in the 1920s, is the first building in Cebu to have an elevator.

I also saw a photo of this building in John Gokongwei's biography, currently being sold at Powerbooks and other bookstores.

Hehehe..

Congrats archaeologue for your undertakings and more power!

:banana:

http://cebuheritage.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/go_tia_co_building01.jpg


bai, my gramps told me that nag-quiz daw sila before in school and the question was "What is the tallest building in Cebu?" The answer: The Gotiaoco. But before some people start to think na backward kaayo ta, I also read somewhere that the tallest buildings in Manila at that time were only five or six storeys, so, labaw ra ug gamay. Hehe.

maayomo
May 21st, 2009, 01:45 PM
^^

I heard a while ago that you'll be using the Gotiaoco Building.

I read somewhere that this building, built in the 1920s, is the first building in Cebu to have an elevator.

I also saw a photo of this building in John Gokongwei's biography, currently being sold at Powerbooks and other bookstores.

Hehehe..

Congrats archaeologue for your undertakings and more power!

:banana:

http://cebuheritage.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/go_tia_co_building01.jpg


bai, my gramps told me that nag-quiz daw sila before in school and the question was "What is the tallest building in Cebu?" The answer: The Gotiaoco. But before some people start to think na backward kaayo ta, I also read somewhere that the tallest buildings in Manila at that time were only five or six storeys, so, labaw ra ug gamay. Hehe.

archaeologue
May 21st, 2009, 06:12 PM
just showing my ignorance on the topic. Got confused as I am always under the impression that the malay migrated from places down south of the Philippines. That the negritos came before them. Just have not connected the dots yet between the story of the golden salakot and the Neolithic period.

Oh boy, back to the history books then, better yet will PESTER you more for an overview on this topic next we meet :)

"Incidentally, as promised earlier, we excavated another burial at the tunnel project: a female accompanied by a Vietnamese jarlet and celadon saucers" - can you post more pictures on your latest find


It's ok, Boy..pester me anytime. meanwhile, here is a shot made by student of the burial---because my batteries ran out.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/plazaretrieval2low.jpg

archaeologue
May 21st, 2009, 06:12 PM
just showing my ignorance on the topic. Got confused as I am always under the impression that the malay migrated from places down south of the Philippines. That the negritos came before them. Just have not connected the dots yet between the story of the golden salakot and the Neolithic period.

Oh boy, back to the history books then, better yet will PESTER you more for an overview on this topic next we meet :)

"Incidentally, as promised earlier, we excavated another burial at the tunnel project: a female accompanied by a Vietnamese jarlet and celadon saucers" - can you post more pictures on your latest find


It's ok, Boy..pester me anytime. meanwhile, here is a shot made by student of the burial---because my batteries ran out.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/plazaretrieval2low.jpg

archaeologue
May 21st, 2009, 06:15 PM
^^

I heard a while ago that you'll be using the Gotiaoco Building.

I read somewhere that this building, built in the 1920s, is the first building in Cebu to have an elevator.

I also saw a photo of this building in John Gokongwei's biography, currently being sold at Powerbooks and other bookstores.

Hehehe..

Congrats archaeologue for your undertakings and more power!

:banana:

http://cebuheritage.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/go_tia_co_building01.jpg


Thanks, Arnold. I have a copy of a news clipping showing the Gotiaoco Bldg when it was nothing but a shell after Liberation...

The plan for a maritime museum is still in the initial stages. But there is not much you can do about this given the present city administration.

archaeologue
May 21st, 2009, 06:15 PM
^^

I heard a while ago that you'll be using the Gotiaoco Building.

I read somewhere that this building, built in the 1920s, is the first building in Cebu to have an elevator.

I also saw a photo of this building in John Gokongwei's biography, currently being sold at Powerbooks and other bookstores.

Hehehe..

Congrats archaeologue for your undertakings and more power!

:banana:

http://cebuheritage.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/go_tia_co_building01.jpg


Thanks, Arnold. I have a copy of a news clipping showing the Gotiaoco Bldg when it was nothing but a shell after Liberation...

The plan for a maritime museum is still in the initial stages. But there is not much you can do about this given the present city administration.

sanvalente
May 22nd, 2009, 02:15 AM
2. Pedro Gotiaoco – Once considered among 19th-century Cebu’s wealthiest taipans and a respected community leader, the immigrant Gotiaoco has also passed on to his remarkably talented descendants his genius and ambitions. His descendants include four leading families from Southern Philippines–his son Sergio Osmeña, Sr. served as the incorruptible President of the Philippines and patriarch of Cebu’s most respected political clan; another branch of the clan includes billionaire industrialist John Gokongwei, Jr. and his uncle the educator Augusto Go (who is the president of the University of Cebu and former vice mayor of Cebu City); another branch includes Andrew Gotianun of Filinvest Group and East-West Bank; another branch includes the Sy-Gaisano clan which successfully operates shopping malls in the Visayas and Mindanao regions.


Got his from tripod. Don Sergio's father is Gotiaoco?

sanvalente
May 22nd, 2009, 02:15 AM
2. Pedro Gotiaoco – Once considered among 19th-century Cebu’s wealthiest taipans and a respected community leader, the immigrant Gotiaoco has also passed on to his remarkably talented descendants his genius and ambitions. His descendants include four leading families from Southern Philippines–his son Sergio Osmeña, Sr. served as the incorruptible President of the Philippines and patriarch of Cebu’s most respected political clan; another branch of the clan includes billionaire industrialist John Gokongwei, Jr. and his uncle the educator Augusto Go (who is the president of the University of Cebu and former vice mayor of Cebu City); another branch includes Andrew Gotianun of Filinvest Group and East-West Bank; another branch includes the Sy-Gaisano clan which successfully operates shopping malls in the Visayas and Mindanao regions.


Got his from tripod. Don Sergio's father is Gotiaoco?

AmbutLang
May 22nd, 2009, 03:37 AM
Osmena were from Chinese descendants.

AmbutLang
May 22nd, 2009, 03:37 AM
Osmena were from Chinese descendants.

Taga Bogo
May 22nd, 2009, 05:39 AM
bai, my gramps told me that nag-quiz daw sila before in school and the question was "What is the tallest building in Cebu?" The answer: The Gotiaoco. But before some people start to think na backward kaayo ta, I also read somewhere that the tallest buildings in Manila at that time were only five or six storeys, so, labaw ra ug gamay. Hehe.

The biggest limiting factor to constructing taller buildings in the early part of the 1900s was number of stairs one has to climb to reach the top floors. Without elevators occupants, clients and customers has to huff and puff and sweat to reach the 10th floor. The introduction of elevators paved the way for constructing taller and taller buildings.

Bai Joseph akong mama is asking asa naman kuno nagpuyo ang imong lolo karon.

Taga Bogo
May 22nd, 2009, 05:39 AM
bai, my gramps told me that nag-quiz daw sila before in school and the question was "What is the tallest building in Cebu?" The answer: The Gotiaoco. But before some people start to think na backward kaayo ta, I also read somewhere that the tallest buildings in Manila at that time were only five or six storeys, so, labaw ra ug gamay. Hehe.

The biggest limiting factor to constructing taller buildings in the early part of the 1900s was number of stairs one has to climb to reach the top floors. Without elevators occupants, clients and customers has to huff and puff and sweat to reach the 10th floor. The introduction of elevators paved the way for constructing taller and taller buildings.

Bai Joseph akong mama is asking asa naman kuno nagpuyo ang imong lolo karon.

Taga Bogo
May 22nd, 2009, 05:44 AM
It's ok, Boy..pester me anytime. meanwhile, here is a shot made by student of the burial---because my batteries ran out.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/plazaretrieval2low.jpg

is it just dirt or is that thing covering the face a kind of a mask.

are there any significance to that bowl covering/on top of that skeleton's private part.

the red and white pole beside the bones, am I right to assume one red strip represents a foot and the succeeding white color represent another foot and so on, for measuring height.

Taga Bogo
May 22nd, 2009, 05:44 AM
It's ok, Boy..pester me anytime. meanwhile, here is a shot made by student of the burial---because my batteries ran out.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/plazaretrieval2low.jpg

is it just dirt or is that thing covering the face a kind of a mask.

are there any significance to that bowl covering/on top of that skeleton's private part.

the red and white pole beside the bones, am I right to assume one red strip represents a foot and the succeeding white color represent another foot and so on, for measuring height.