The one above came from London, acquired in an auction and is now with the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas. Another Nino Dormido, which was formerly displayed at the National Museum was stolen. This was donated by Jaime Laya. Was this the one that came from Boljoon or is it still with IA?

I have a suspicion that the one that was alledgely stolen was the one from Boljoon. The bed was made of silver and not as elaborately embellished as this one in the picture.

The one above came from London, acquired in an auction and is now with the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas. Another Nino Dormido, which was formerly displayed at the National Museum was stolen. This was donated by Jaime Laya. Was this the one that came from Boljoon or is it still with IA?

I have a suspicion that the one that was alledgely stolen was the one from Boljoon. The bed was made of silver and not as elaborately embellished as this one in the picture.

I have a suspicion that the one that was alledgely stolen was the one from Boljoon. The bed was made of silver and not as elaborately embellished as this one in the picture.

I also have the same assumption. When I last saw it, it was sximilar to other Philippine Dormidos in other collections. The one above looks a bit more foreign in appearance. Even the bed may be of Cantonese provenance, similar to the regalia of San Fermin in Spain, which was said to have come from Canton (via the Philippines?). At least, the stolen dormido has pictures, but it would not surface again for decades to come.

I have a suspicion that the one that was alledgely stolen was the one from Boljoon. The bed was made of silver and not as elaborately embellished as this one in the picture.

I also have the same assumption. When I last saw it, it was sximilar to other Philippine Dormidos in other collections. The one above looks a bit more foreign in appearance. Even the bed may be of Cantonese provenance, similar to the regalia of San Fermin in Spain, which was said to have come from Canton (via the Philippines?). At least, the stolen dormido has pictures, but it would not surface again for decades to come.

Remember Jaime Laya used to be the Governor of the Central Bank in 1981 to 1984. The Marcoses left in 1986. The Central Bank was changed into what we now call as the Bangko Central ng Pilipinas in 1993. In 1999 the BSP Museum was inaugurated but was then intended as a currency museum, we sometimes call it the "money museum".

"As repository and custodian of the country's numismatic heritage, the Museo collects, studies and preserves coins, paper notes, medals, artifacts and monetary items found in the Philippines during its different historical periods. These collections have been placed on permanent display at the Museo."

What is interesting is the CB before has already a vast collection not only on
the numismatic heritage but paintings and art collection, together with chosen artifacts, enhance each gallery.

I don't want to make any theories nor conjectures but it seems there is a connection between the Nino Dormido in Boljoon and the BSP collection.
Hmmmmn

The money museum, other than busts of former CB/BSP governors contains only numismatic items (chinese and greek evolution of money and philippine pre hispanic, spanish, agunaldo, american, post WWII, etc...) The paintings are on a different gallery, many are not BSP's (loans, on display, etc...). The BSP Juan Lunas are on the officer's lounge. Antique furnitures are not organized in gallery displays. Not aware but may have missed any santos on display.

There are rumors, no proof just rumors, that some of the paintings and furnitures were taken out just prior to the marcos's departure in 1986.

Remember Jaime Laya used to be the Governor of the Central Bank in 1981 to 1984. The Marcoses left in 1986. The Central Bank was changed into what we now call as the Bangko Central ng Pilipinas in 1993. In 1999 the BSP Museum was inaugurated but was then intended as a currency museum, we sometimes call it the "money museum".

"As repository and custodian of the country's numismatic heritage, the Museo collects, studies and preserves coins, paper notes, medals, artifacts and monetary items found in the Philippines during its different historical periods. These collections have been placed on permanent display at the Museo."

What is interesting is the CB before has already a vast collection not only on
the numismatic heritage but paintings and art collection, together with chosen artifacts, enhance each gallery.

I don't want to make any theories nor conjectures but it seems there is a connection between the Nino Dormido in Boljoon and the BSP collection.
Hmmmmn

The money museum, other than busts of former CB/BSP governors contains only numismatic items (chinese and greek evolution of money and philippine pre hispanic, spanish, agunaldo, american, post WWII, etc...) The paintings are on a different gallery, many are not BSP's (loans, on display, etc...). The BSP Juan Lunas are on the officer's lounge. Antique furnitures are not organized in gallery displays. Not aware but may have missed any santos on display.

There are rumors, no proof just rumors, that some of the paintings and furnitures were taken out just prior to the marcos's departure in 1986.

It has not died out.

There are still carvers of ivory in the Philippines, albeit they are underground because the elephant tusks is a banned commodity listed in the high priority section of CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora).

Three years ago, about six tonnes of elephant tusks from Zambia were also seized in Manila's container port.

yes you are right the craft had not died out, perhaps I can rephrase my question, except for the newly carved fakes, the bastadors and the manequins with ivory heads, did they "ever went out of fashion" for any reason.

It has not died out.

There are still carvers of ivory in the Philippines, albeit they are underground because the elephant tusks is a banned commodity listed in the high priority section of CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora).

Three years ago, about six tonnes of elephant tusks from Zambia were also seized in Manila's container port.

yes you are right the craft had not died out, perhaps I can rephrase my question, except for the newly carved fakes, the bastadors and the manequins with ivory heads, did they "ever went out of fashion" for any reason.

SHOOTING STRAIGHT By Valeriano Avila Updated June 29

For our special presentation on Straight from the Sky, we bring you a story on a Night of Heritage and Culture and a Talk about the Museums in Cebu. This is a report from Msgr. Carlito Puno, Dr. Jocelyn Gerra of the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc. (RAFI; Dr. Librado Macaraya, manager of Ft. San Pedro; Dr. Eleazar Bersales of Museo Sugbo; and Louella Alix of the Cathedral Museum of the Gabi-i sa Kabilin last month when all the museums in Cebu were opened to the public for a single fee, and this was the first time it ever happened in this country. So watch this show on SkyCable’s channel 15 at 8:00 pm.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=482084&publicationSubCategoryId=109

SHOOTING STRAIGHT By Valeriano Avila Updated June 29

For our special presentation on Straight from the Sky, we bring you a story on a Night of Heritage and Culture and a Talk about the Museums in Cebu. This is a report from Msgr. Carlito Puno, Dr. Jocelyn Gerra of the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc. (RAFI; Dr. Librado Macaraya, manager of Ft. San Pedro; Dr. Eleazar Bersales of Museo Sugbo; and Louella Alix of the Cathedral Museum of the Gabi-i sa Kabilin last month when all the museums in Cebu were opened to the public for a single fee, and this was the first time it ever happened in this country. So watch this show on SkyCable’s channel 15 at 8:00 pm.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=482084&publicationSubCategoryId=109

yes you are right the craft had not died out, perhaps I can rephrase my question, except for the newly carved fakes, the bastadors and the manequins with ivory heads, did they "ever went out of fashion" for any reason.

They somewhat did. Sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, escayola (plaster) and pasta madera (wood paste) santos from Europe began to arrive in the Philippines.
Filipino santeros then began to imitate these continental statues, which is why a lot of Santos from this period are "academically" styled. Filipino santos from this era began to lose their whitish "encarna," simulating ivory, and began to exhibit ruddy tones. Santos that are carved in the whole, also began to become in vogue. Take the icons in San Ignacio, for example. All are "de tallado," rendered in wood.

yes you are right the craft had not died out, perhaps I can rephrase my question, except for the newly carved fakes, the bastadors and the manequins with ivory heads, did they "ever went out of fashion" for any reason.

They somewhat did. Sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, escayola (plaster) and pasta madera (wood paste) santos from Europe began to arrive in the Philippines.
Filipino santeros then began to imitate these continental statues, which is why a lot of Santos from this period are "academically" styled. Filipino santos from this era began to lose their whitish "encarna," simulating ivory, and began to exhibit ruddy tones. Santos that are carved in the whole, also began to become in vogue. Take the icons in San Ignacio, for example. All are "de tallado," rendered in wood.

SHOOTING STRAIGHT By Valeriano Avila Updated June 29

For our special presentation on Straight from the Sky, we bring you a story on a Night of Heritage and Culture and a Talk about the Museums in Cebu. This is a report from Msgr. Carlito Puno, Dr. Jocelyn Gerra of the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc. (RAFI; Dr. Librado Macaraya, manager of Ft. San Pedro; Dr. Eleazar Bersales of Museo Sugbo; and Louella Alix of the Cathedral Museum of the Gabi-i sa Kabilin last month when all the museums in Cebu were opened to the public for a single fee, and this was the first time it ever happened in this country. So watch this show on SkyCable’s channel 15 at 8:00 pm.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=482084&publicationSubCategoryId=109

:banana::banana: Sir jobers di na jud ka pug-ngan DR. na jud ka:cheers:

SHOOTING STRAIGHT By Valeriano Avila Updated June 29

For our special presentation on Straight from the Sky, we bring you a story on a Night of Heritage and Culture and a Talk about the Museums in Cebu. This is a report from Msgr. Carlito Puno, Dr. Jocelyn Gerra of the Ramon Aboitiz Foundation, Inc. (RAFI; Dr. Librado Macaraya, manager of Ft. San Pedro; Dr. Eleazar Bersales of Museo Sugbo; and Louella Alix of the Cathedral Museum of the Gabi-i sa Kabilin last month when all the museums in Cebu were opened to the public for a single fee, and this was the first time it ever happened in this country. So watch this show on SkyCable’s channel 15 at 8:00 pm.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=482084&publicationSubCategoryId=109

:banana::banana: Sir jobers di na jud ka pug-ngan DR. na jud ka:cheers:

They somewhat did. Sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, escayola (plaster) and pasta madera (wood paste) santos from Europe began to arrive in the Philippines.
Filipino santeros then began to imitate these continental statues, which is why a lot of Santos from this period are "academically" styled. Filipino santos from this era began to lose their whitish "encarna," simulating ivory, and began to exhibit ruddy tones. Santos that are carved in the whole, also began to become in vogue. Take the icons in San Ignacio, for example. All are "de tallado," rendered in wood.

Thanks for the info re ivory heads. Sent a PM

They somewhat did. Sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, escayola (plaster) and pasta madera (wood paste) santos from Europe began to arrive in the Philippines.
Filipino santeros then began to imitate these continental statues, which is why a lot of Santos from this period are "academically" styled. Filipino santos from this era began to lose their whitish "encarna," simulating ivory, and began to exhibit ruddy tones. Santos that are carved in the whole, also began to become in vogue. Take the icons in San Ignacio, for example. All are "de tallado," rendered in wood.

Thanks for the info re ivory heads. Sent a PM

Thanks for the info re ivory heads. Sent a PM

Hi Taga Bogo. Duna unta koy PM for you but I don't know how to do that yet. May I ask you to call Sanvalente instead? Urgent kaayo ning message!

Thanks for the info re ivory heads. Sent a PM

Hi Taga Bogo. Duna unta koy PM for you but I don't know how to do that yet. May I ask you to call Sanvalente instead? Urgent kaayo ning message!

They somewhat did. Sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, escayola (plaster) and pasta madera (wood paste) santos from Europe began to arrive in the Philippines.
Filipino santeros then began to imitate these continental statues, which is why a lot of Santos from this period are "academically" styled. Filipino santos from this era began to lose their whitish "encarna," simulating ivory, and began to exhibit ruddy tones. Santos that are carved in the whole, also began to become in vogue. Take the icons in San Ignacio, for example. All are "de tallado," rendered in wood.

Am curious, is this process of imitating also called "estofado" (sp)?

They somewhat did. Sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, escayola (plaster) and pasta madera (wood paste) santos from Europe began to arrive in the Philippines.
Filipino santeros then began to imitate these continental statues, which is why a lot of Santos from this period are "academically" styled. Filipino santos from this era began to lose their whitish "encarna," simulating ivory, and began to exhibit ruddy tones. Santos that are carved in the whole, also began to become in vogue. Take the icons in San Ignacio, for example. All are "de tallado," rendered in wood.

Am curious, is this process of imitating also called "estofado" (sp)?

:banana::banana: Sir jobers di na jud ka pug-ngan DR. na jud ka:cheers:

waaahhhh...mag-open na jud ko ani og clinic...let's see, maau man ko mohuwap-huwap og bitin nga sawa, pwede na tingali ko manambal, anha ko mag-open diha sa heritage monument sa parian, what do u think? hahahah

:banana::lol:

:banana::banana: Sir jobers di na jud ka pug-ngan DR. na jud ka:cheers:

waaahhhh...mag-open na jud ko ani og clinic...let's see, maau man ko mohuwap-huwap og bitin nga sawa, pwede na tingali ko manambal, anha ko mag-open diha sa heritage monument sa parian, what do u think? hahahah

:banana::lol:

Hi Taga Bogo. Duna unta koy PM for you but I don't know how to do that yet. May I ask you to call Sanvalente instead? Urgent kaayo ning message!

Boy, Ang Karaang Tawo is too shy to tell you on this thread. She is referring to this one:



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bbstreamer.jpg



Remember? I invited you to buy some copies of the forthcoming book? Well, the one above is the event for you to purchase discounted copies ahead of the launching.

Here is the brochure that will be sent to those who want to purchse the book with discount:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/smBalaanongBahandifinalbrochureouts.jpg


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/smBalaanongBahandifinalbrochureinsi.jpg

Your invitation is waiting to be sent.
But in case you do not get it in time, see you this Friday, July 3 at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu at 4 p.m.

Bring plenty of money ha! :lol:

Hi Taga Bogo. Duna unta koy PM for you but I don't know how to do that yet. May I ask you to call Sanvalente instead? Urgent kaayo ning message!

Boy, Ang Karaang Tawo is too shy to tell you on this thread. She is referring to this one:



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bbstreamer.jpg



Remember? I invited you to buy some copies of the forthcoming book? Well, the one above is the event for you to purchase discounted copies ahead of the launching.

Here is the brochure that will be sent to those who want to purchse the book with discount:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/smBalaanongBahandifinalbrochureouts.jpg


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/smBalaanongBahandifinalbrochureinsi.jpg

Your invitation is waiting to be sent.
But in case you do not get it in time, see you this Friday, July 3 at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu at 4 p.m.

Bring plenty of money ha! :lol:

Boy, Ang Karaang Tawo is too shy to tell you on this thread. She is referring to this one: ........

Your invitation is waiting to be sent.
But in case you do not get it in time, see you this Friday, July 3 at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu at 4 p.m.

Bring plenty of money ha! :lol:

Don't bring cash.... they accept checks...:D:

Boy, Ang Karaang Tawo is too shy to tell you on this thread. She is referring to this one: ........

Your invitation is waiting to be sent.
But in case you do not get it in time, see you this Friday, July 3 at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu at 4 p.m.

Bring plenty of money ha! :lol:

Don't bring cash.... they accept checks...:D:

For those who are not in Cebu and interested to get a copy, we will post how to go about it within the week.

For those who are not in Cebu and interested to get a copy, we will post how to go about it within the week.

Boy, Ang Karaang Tawo is too shy to tell you on this thread. She is referring to this one:



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bbstreamer.jpg



Remember? I invited you to buy some copies of the forthcoming book? Well, the one above is the event for you to purchase discounted copies ahead of the launching.

Here is the brochure that will be sent to those who want to purchse the book with discount:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/smBalaanongBahandifinalbrochureouts.jpg


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/smBalaanongBahandifinalbrochureinsi.jpg

Your invitation is waiting to be sent.
But in case you do not get it in time, see you this Friday, July 3 at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu at 4 p.m.

Bring plenty of money ha! :lol:
The invitiation is waiting to be sent because we don't know where to send it.
Thanks for posting the brochure Jo! See you on Friday 4pm at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu!

Boy, Ang Karaang Tawo is too shy to tell you on this thread. She is referring to this one:



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bbstreamer.jpg



Remember? I invited you to buy some copies of the forthcoming book? Well, the one above is the event for you to purchase discounted copies ahead of the launching.

Here is the brochure that will be sent to those who want to purchse the book with discount:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/smBalaanongBahandifinalbrochureouts.jpg


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/smBalaanongBahandifinalbrochureinsi.jpg

Your invitation is waiting to be sent.
But in case you do not get it in time, see you this Friday, July 3 at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu at 4 p.m.

Bring plenty of money ha! :lol:
The invitiation is waiting to be sent because we don't know where to send it.
Thanks for posting the brochure Jo! See you on Friday 4pm at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu!

Don't bring cash.... they accept checks...:D:

That's so true, we do accept checks payments. :banana::)

Don't bring cash.... they accept checks...:D:

That's so true, we do accept checks payments. :banana::)

:banana::banana: Sir jobers di na jud ka pug-ngan DR. na jud ka:cheers:

Hi Ka Bino! I saw the last 2 minutes of Bobit's Straight from The Sky just now. ha ha ha :)

:banana::banana: Sir jobers di na jud ka pug-ngan DR. na jud ka:cheers:

Hi Ka Bino! I saw the last 2 minutes of Bobit's Straight from The Sky just now. ha ha ha :)

^^ see you maam karaang tawo hehehe hapit ko masayop hapit taka matawag sa name dat i love to call you...

i was with DR.Mike Cullinane most of today, and from what i gather Balaanong Bahandi is in His Sched..

^^ see you maam karaang tawo hehehe hapit ko masayop hapit taka matawag sa name dat i love to call you...

i was with DR.Mike Cullinane most of today, and from what i gather Balaanong Bahandi is in His Sched..

^^ see you maam karaang tawo hehehe hapit ko masayop hapit taka matawag sa name dat i love to call you...

i was with DR.Mike Cullinane most of today, and from what i gather Balaanong Bahandi is in His Sched..

Yehey! See you gyud Bino! You know you are invited, di ba? Mike will be a welcome sight indeed!

^^ see you maam karaang tawo hehehe hapit ko masayop hapit taka matawag sa name dat i love to call you...

i was with DR.Mike Cullinane most of today, and from what i gather Balaanong Bahandi is in His Sched..

Yehey! See you gyud Bino! You know you are invited, di ba? Mike will be a welcome sight indeed!

Am curious, is this process of imitating also called "estofado" (sp)?

Sanvalente,

Estofado is an ancient technique whereby the statue's body is covered with gold leaf then over-painted with various designs. Then, the surface is scractched or incised, to reveal the underlying gilt, and the result is made to simulate brocade.

The santos of the Argao retablo were fine examples of estofado before they were painted gold. The dead St. Joseph in the Cathedral Museum is also another example but i think the paint has peeled off.

A sample of a santo (St. Lawrence by santosantero of flickr) in estofado posted below.. Thanks SleMarKen..

Am curious, is this process of imitating also called "estofado" (sp)?

Sanvalente,

Estofado is an ancient technique whereby the statue's body is covered with gold leaf then over-painted with various designs. Then, the surface is scractched or incised, to reveal the underlying gilt, and the result is made to simulate brocade.

The santos of the Argao retablo were fine examples of estofado before they were painted gold. The dead St. Joseph in the Cathedral Museum is also another example but i think the paint has peeled off.

A sample of a santo (St. Lawrence by santosantero of flickr) in estofado posted below.. Thanks SleMarKen..

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8766/45817379.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8766/45817379.jpg

Hi Taga Bogo. Duna unta koy PM for you but I don't know how to do that yet. May I ask you to call Sanvalente instead? Urgent kaayo ning message!

Boy, Ang Karaang Tawo is too shy to tell you on this thread. She is referring to this one:


Sorry was not able to respond sooner, had and is still in these long days, 2 looong weeks na, with thousands of little things to do thats been piling up.

Will give archaeologue a call.

Hi Taga Bogo. Duna unta koy PM for you but I don't know how to do that yet. May I ask you to call Sanvalente instead? Urgent kaayo ning message!

Boy, Ang Karaang Tawo is too shy to tell you on this thread. She is referring to this one:


Sorry was not able to respond sooner, had and is still in these long days, 2 looong weeks na, with thousands of little things to do thats been piling up.

Will give archaeologue a call.

Sanvalente,

Estofado is an ancient technique whereby the statue's body is covered with gold leaf then over-painted with various designs. Then, the surface is scractched or incised, to reveal the underlying gilt, and the result is made to simulate brocade.

The santos of the Argao retablo were fine examples of estofado before they were painted gold. The dead St. Joseph in the Cathedral Museum is also another example but i think the paint has peeled off.

A sample of a santo (St. Lawrence) in estofado posted below.. Thanks SleMarKen..


I'm planning to "estofadize" my old San Vicente statue. Hehehe. Wala lang, experiment lang.

Sanvalente,

Estofado is an ancient technique whereby the statue's body is covered with gold leaf then over-painted with various designs. Then, the surface is scractched or incised, to reveal the underlying gilt, and the result is made to simulate brocade.

The santos of the Argao retablo were fine examples of estofado before they were painted gold. The dead St. Joseph in the Cathedral Museum is also another example but i think the paint has peeled off.

A sample of a santo (St. Lawrence) in estofado posted below.. Thanks SleMarKen..


I'm planning to "estofadize" my old San Vicente statue. Hehehe. Wala lang, experiment lang.

^^
Hey Glenn!



Here's a Filipino santo of San Roque with an ivory mask and "faux" estofado finished edges- where instead of scratching the design, it is simply painted on.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/3179123985_453f27dcb7_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/victorancheta/3179123985/)

^^
Hey Glenn!



Here's a Filipino santo of San Roque with an ivory mask and "faux" estofado finished edges- where instead of scratching the design, it is simply painted on.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/3179123985_453f27dcb7_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/victorancheta/3179123985/)

"Walay Katipunan sa Sugbu" Mike Cullinane


a teaser for the Tres De Abril talk of Dr.Mike,

waa pa ma set ang venue ug date... update lang nya tamo

"Walay Katipunan sa Sugbu" Mike Cullinane


a teaser for the Tres De Abril talk of Dr.Mike,

waa pa ma set ang venue ug date... update lang nya tamo

I'm planning to "estofadize" my old San Vicente statue. Hehehe. Wala lang, experiment lang.

Lord Carnal,
I proposed to have a detallado body for our processional santo so we wont keep on changing the vestments on holy
weeks but rejected.. di kuno traditional and "too solid." hehe

^^
Hey Glenn!

Here's a Filipino santo of San Roque with an ivory mask and "faux" estofado finished edges- where instead of scratching the design, it is simply painted on.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/3179123985_453f27dcb7_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/victorancheta/3179123985/)


Vic,
Is the image still in the Philippines or there in the US? I was suppose to take that photo as an example.

I'm planning to "estofadize" my old San Vicente statue. Hehehe. Wala lang, experiment lang.

Lord Carnal,
I proposed to have a detallado body for our processional santo so we wont keep on changing the vestments on holy
weeks but rejected.. di kuno traditional and "too solid." hehe

^^
Hey Glenn!

Here's a Filipino santo of San Roque with an ivory mask and "faux" estofado finished edges- where instead of scratching the design, it is simply painted on.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/3179123985_453f27dcb7_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/victorancheta/3179123985/)


Vic,
Is the image still in the Philippines or there in the US? I was suppose to take that photo as an example.

According to Ricky Jose and Ramon Villegas in Power + Faith + Image: Philippines Art in Ivory from the 16th to the 19th Century (and the title tells us of the dates), ivory carvings, mainly crucifixes at first, came to Manila through Zhangzhou, Fujian province during the final quarter of the Ming Dynasty when Emperor Wan Li reopened Chinese ports, mainly Zhangzhou (ca. 1567) at first, to foreign trade.


I've been looking for a copy of the book mentioned but to no avail. Where can we get a copy in Cebu? Or was it released only in Manila? Thanks!

According to Ricky Jose and Ramon Villegas in Power + Faith + Image: Philippines Art in Ivory from the 16th to the 19th Century (and the title tells us of the dates), ivory carvings, mainly crucifixes at first, came to Manila through Zhangzhou, Fujian province during the final quarter of the Ming Dynasty when Emperor Wan Li reopened Chinese ports, mainly Zhangzhou (ca. 1567) at first, to foreign trade.


I've been looking for a copy of the book mentioned but to no avail. Where can we get a copy in Cebu? Or was it released only in Manila? Thanks!

I've been looking for a copy of the book mentioned but to no avail. Where can we get a copy in Cebu? Or was it released only in Manila? Thanks!

It's available in the Ayala Museum.

I've been looking for a copy of the book mentioned but to no avail. Where can we get a copy in Cebu? Or was it released only in Manila? Thanks!

It's available in the Ayala Museum.

"Walay Katipunan sa Sugbu" Mike Cullinane


a teaser for the Tres De Abril talk of Dr.Mike,

waa pa ma set ang venue ug date... update lang nya tamo

bitaw? nice...para naa tay proof na atong mga katiguwangan walay gusto na mo-apil sa republika ng katagalugan

"Walay Katipunan sa Sugbu" Mike Cullinane


a teaser for the Tres De Abril talk of Dr.Mike,

waa pa ma set ang venue ug date... update lang nya tamo

bitaw? nice...para naa tay proof na atong mga katiguwangan walay gusto na mo-apil sa republika ng katagalugan

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^^ Arnold, it actually sort of looks like these ones. :D

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A couple more from Cebu:

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^^ Arnold, it actually sort of looks like these ones. :D

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A couple more from Cebu:

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Don Animo, thanks for posting the photos from Fr. Javellana's Fortress of Empire.

The book is not complete though as there still many watchtowers in Cebu.

I hope Gibb will post a photo of the watchtowers in Carcar, hehe. Estan, please post a photo too of the watchtower in Camotes.

Don Animo, thanks for posting the photos from Fr. Javellana's Fortress of Empire.

The book is not complete though as there still many watchtowers in Cebu.

I hope Gibb will post a photo of the watchtowers in Carcar, hehe. Estan, please post a photo too of the watchtower in Camotes.

Bai @Arnold, kaning mga watch tower sa Cebu nga inyong nakit-an, tanan ba naggamit og mga bato(pareha anang sa mga karaan na simbahan) or naa pud bricks lang?

Salamat daan.

Bai @Arnold, kaning mga watch tower sa Cebu nga inyong nakit-an, tanan ba naggamit og mga bato(pareha anang sa mga karaan na simbahan) or naa pud bricks lang?

Salamat daan.

^^ I believe most if not all are made of coral stones which are the material abundant to the area. :)

Don Animo, thanks for posting the photos from Fr. Javellana's Fortress of Empire.

The book is not complete though as there still many watchtowers in Cebu.

I hope Gibb will post a photo of the watchtowers in Carcar, hehe. Estan, please post a photo too of the watchtower in Camotes.

Mao ba. :D Unya palihog lang ayaw apila ang Don sa akong ngalan, si Hawayano lang man gud to. Manghud pa ra baya ko sa inyo dire. Mura lang ko ug tigulang sa akong post. :lol:

^^ I believe most if not all are made of coral stones which are the material abundant to the area. :)

Don Animo, thanks for posting the photos from Fr. Javellana's Fortress of Empire.

The book is not complete though as there still many watchtowers in Cebu.

I hope Gibb will post a photo of the watchtowers in Carcar, hehe. Estan, please post a photo too of the watchtower in Camotes.

Mao ba. :D Unya palihog lang ayaw apila ang Don sa akong ngalan, si Hawayano lang man gud to. Manghud pa ra baya ko sa inyo dire. Mura lang ko ug tigulang sa akong post. :lol:

^^ I believe most if not all are made of coral stones which are the material abundant to the area. :)

Mao ba. :D Unya palihog lang ayaw apila ang Don sa akong ngalan, si Hawayano lang man gud to. Manghud pa ra baya ko sa inyo dire. Mura lang ko ug tigulang sa akong post. :lol:

Naa man gud uban photo nga mora'g ang pagkaguba sa tower kay somewhat similar to an aging house made of mud bricks.

Thanks for the info.

^^ I believe most if not all are made of coral stones which are the material abundant to the area. :)

Mao ba. :D Unya palihog lang ayaw apila ang Don sa akong ngalan, si Hawayano lang man gud to. Manghud pa ra baya ko sa inyo dire. Mura lang ko ug tigulang sa akong post. :lol:

Naa man gud uban photo nga mora'g ang pagkaguba sa tower kay somewhat similar to an aging house made of mud bricks.

Thanks for the info.

Naa man gud uban photo nga mora'g ang pagkaguba sa tower kay somewhat similar to an aging house made of mud bricks.

Thanks for the info.

Way problema bai. :D

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Naa man gud uban photo nga mora'g ang pagkaguba sa tower kay somewhat similar to an aging house made of mud bricks.

Thanks for the info.

Way problema bai. :D

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I've been looking for a copy of the book mentioned but to no avail. Where can we get a copy in Cebu? Or was it released only in Manila? Thanks!

Only Ayala Museum sells that book at P4,200. it is actually a thick catalogue released by Ayala Museum in connection with an exhibition on ivories from museums and private collections in the Philippines, Spain and Mexico etc. that were made in the Philippines, or what are called Fil-Hispanic ivory.

the price is very prohibitive, which is why Ricky Jose, one of the authors, was quite dismayed because he wanted to reach a wider audience.

I've been looking for a copy of the book mentioned but to no avail. Where can we get a copy in Cebu? Or was it released only in Manila? Thanks!

Only Ayala Museum sells that book at P4,200. it is actually a thick catalogue released by Ayala Museum in connection with an exhibition on ivories from museums and private collections in the Philippines, Spain and Mexico etc. that were made in the Philippines, or what are called Fil-Hispanic ivory.

the price is very prohibitive, which is why Ricky Jose, one of the authors, was quite dismayed because he wanted to reach a wider audience.

^^
Yep, I agree. Mahal ra, even PHP 4,725.00 if bought on line at www.myayala.com.

^^
Yep, I agree. Mahal ra, even PHP 4,725.00 if bought on line at www.myayala.com.

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kinsa man ni nga monsignor tupad ni cardinal vidal

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kinsa man ni nga monsignor tupad ni cardinal vidal

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kinsa man ni nga monsignor tupad ni cardinal vidal

Abi nako og doktor ra ni siya...Monsignor pa gud diay... :banana:

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kinsa man ni nga monsignor tupad ni cardinal vidal

Abi nako og doktor ra ni siya...Monsignor pa gud diay... :banana:

Abi nako og doktor ra ni siya...Monsignor pa gud diay... :banana:

waaaahhhh....:bash:

Abi nako og doktor ra ni siya...Monsignor pa gud diay... :banana:

waaaahhhh....:bash:

^^
Yep, I agree. Mahal ra, even PHP 4,725.00 if bought on line at www.myayala.com.

exactly...but if you are involved in church heritage, you really have to get a copy of this book.

^^
Yep, I agree. Mahal ra, even PHP 4,725.00 if bought on line at www.myayala.com.

exactly...but if you are involved in church heritage, you really have to get a copy of this book.

Launching of the book project, "Balaanong Bahandi: Sacred Treasures of the Archdiocese of Cebu" and opening of the photo exhibit at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu

A dummy of the coffetable book

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Jobers and Mark listen attentively to the Father

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The Cardinal tours the exhibit

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Tourism Secretary Ace Durano, Ricardo Cardinal Vidal, and Fr. Dionisio Miranda, president of USC, cuts the ribbon to formally open the photo exhibit. The exhibit showcases some of the photos that will be published in the coffeetable book.

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The Cardinal continues touring the exhibit

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A visitor views some of the photos shot by Gibb, Estan, Mark, Caloy (Sanvalante), etc.

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Launching of the book project, "Balaanong Bahandi: Sacred Treasures of the Archdiocese of Cebu" and opening of the photo exhibit at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu

A dummy of the coffetable book

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/3686957226_6a67160331.jpg?v=0


Jobers and Mark listen attentively to the Father

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The Cardinal tours the exhibit

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Tourism Secretary Ace Durano, Ricardo Cardinal Vidal, and Fr. Dionisio Miranda, president of USC, cuts the ribbon to formally open the photo exhibit. The exhibit showcases some of the photos that will be published in the coffeetable book.

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The Cardinal continues touring the exhibit

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A visitor views some of the photos shot by Gibb, Estan, Mark, Caloy (Sanvalante), etc.

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Ug usa na pud ka libro alang sa Sugbo...Kudos sa atong mga Sugboanon nga nagpakabana og maayo sa heritage sa Sugbo..:banana::banana:

Congratulations!!!

Ug usa na pud ka libro alang sa Sugbo...Kudos sa atong mga Sugboanon nga nagpakabana og maayo sa heritage sa Sugbo..:banana::banana:

Congratulations!!!

Launching of the coffee table book, "Balaanong Bahandi: Sacred Treasures of the Archdiocese of Cebu" and opening of the photo exhibit at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu




Allow me to make a correction ha.

it's not launching of the book yet. It's project launching of the coffee table book...

there is a difference. there is no book to launch yet. only the project to produce the book was launched yesterday, together with the exhibit.

great shots, by the way, arnoldcarl, you should try your hand at photography.

Launching of the coffee table book, "Balaanong Bahandi: Sacred Treasures of the Archdiocese of Cebu" and opening of the photo exhibit at the Cathedral Museum of Cebu




Allow me to make a correction ha.

it's not launching of the book yet. It's project launching of the coffee table book...

there is a difference. there is no book to launch yet. only the project to produce the book was launched yesterday, together with the exhibit.

great shots, by the way, arnoldcarl, you should try your hand at photography.

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Just wanted to say how proud and grateful I am that folks like the Cebu heritage SSCers and others are monitoring historic conservation and fostering such efforts in this province. My lolo was born in Pari-an, but emigrated as a toddler about a hundred years ago, but I still feel connected to this wonderful heritage! Thanks and more power to you! :cheers:

Just wanted to say how proud and grateful I am that folks like the Cebu heritage SSCers and others are monitoring historic conservation and fostering such efforts in this province. My lolo was born in Pari-an, but emigrated as a toddler about a hundred years ago, but I still feel connected to this wonderful heritage! Thanks and more power to you! :cheers:

I'm planning to "estofadize" my old San Vicente statue. Hehehe. Wala lang, experiment lang.

If it is old, it might reveal some aspects of the encarnation and estofado techniques from some obscure workshops or taller.

I'm planning to "estofadize" my old San Vicente statue. Hehehe. Wala lang, experiment lang.

If it is old, it might reveal some aspects of the encarnation and estofado techniques from some obscure workshops or taller.

They somewhat did. Sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, escayola (plaster) and pasta madera (wood paste) santos from Europe began to arrive in the Philippines.
Filipino santeros then began to imitate these continental statues, which is why a lot of Santos from this period are "academically" styled. Filipino santos from this era began to lose their whitish "encarna," simulating ivory, and began to exhibit ruddy tones. Santos that are carved in the whole, also began to become in vogue. Take the icons in San Ignacio, for example. All are "de tallado," rendered in wood.

The situation is more complicated then as it is now. For example, there are more santos of foreign provenance - Neapolitan - and Mexican during the first two hundred years in Philippine collections. However, there are more books on European "academic style" in the 19th century. Statues in the round or the de bulto santos are meant to be placed in the retablo, while the de bastidor and the de mannequin are meant for processions - they are lighter to carry. The San Ignacio images were just moved from the side altars or from the sacristy to the main altar during the feasts and were not carried out in processions. The ivory de bastidor images were formerly housed in glass urnas, alghough ivory-masked statues in the round are placed in the retablos. The change in the appearance of santos might also be reflective of the change in the ethnicity of the carvers.

They somewhat did. Sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, escayola (plaster) and pasta madera (wood paste) santos from Europe began to arrive in the Philippines.
Filipino santeros then began to imitate these continental statues, which is why a lot of Santos from this period are "academically" styled. Filipino santos from this era began to lose their whitish "encarna," simulating ivory, and began to exhibit ruddy tones. Santos that are carved in the whole, also began to become in vogue. Take the icons in San Ignacio, for example. All are "de tallado," rendered in wood.

The situation is more complicated then as it is now. For example, there are more santos of foreign provenance - Neapolitan - and Mexican during the first two hundred years in Philippine collections. However, there are more books on European "academic style" in the 19th century. Statues in the round or the de bulto santos are meant to be placed in the retablo, while the de bastidor and the de mannequin are meant for processions - they are lighter to carry. The San Ignacio images were just moved from the side altars or from the sacristy to the main altar during the feasts and were not carried out in processions. The ivory de bastidor images were formerly housed in glass urnas, alghough ivory-masked statues in the round are placed in the retablos. The change in the appearance of santos might also be reflective of the change in the ethnicity of the carvers.

Allow me to make a correction ha.

it's not launching of the book yet. It's project launching of the coffee table book...

there is a difference. there is no book to launch yet. only the project to produce the book was launched yesterday, together with the exhibit.

great shots, by the way, arnoldcarl, you should try your hand at photography.

My apologies archaeologue. Book project diay, hehe.

Allow me to make a correction ha.

it's not launching of the book yet. It's project launching of the coffee table book...

there is a difference. there is no book to launch yet. only the project to produce the book was launched yesterday, together with the exhibit.

great shots, by the way, arnoldcarl, you should try your hand at photography.

My apologies archaeologue. Book project diay, hehe.

Guided Tour - Fort San Pedro ... dili na lang ko mocomment oi

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Basilica del Sto Nino - kamo na lay comment

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^^ base sa akong nakita ug nadungog ... morag daghan pa gyud nga angayan i-improve sa heritage tour diha sa sugbo

^^ base sa akong nakita ug nadungog ... morag daghan pa gyud nga angayan i-improve sa heritage tour diha sa sugbo

hilo numero 9 na ta mga bay!!!!:banana::banana::banana:

thread 8: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=833564

hilo numero 9 na ta mga bay!!!!:banana::banana::banana:

thread 8: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=833564

hilo numero 9 na ta mga bay!!!
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=39317660#post39317660

hilo numero 9 na ta mga bay!!!
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=39317660#post39317660

Review: Some Issues and Events Discussed in Thread 8


Talisay Liberation Park

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Boljoon Excavation

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New Retablos of Cebu Cathedral

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Plaza Independencia

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Dalaguete Church Renovation

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Gabii sa Kabilin

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Diploma in Heritage Conservation

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Balaanong Bahandi

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Review: Some Issues and Events Discussed in Thread 8


Talisay Liberation Park

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Boljoon Excavation

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New Retablos of Cebu Cathedral

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Plaza Independencia

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Dalaguete Church Renovation

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Gabii sa Kabilin

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Diploma in Heritage Conservation

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Balaanong Bahandi

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^^^^

wow! thread 9 na! and still going strong!! congratz....to all....and thanks for the memories of thread 8, @Gee!

^^^^

wow! thread 9 na! and still going strong!! congratz....to all....and thanks for the memories of thread 8, @Gee!

Ug nahuman na usab ang laing mabulukon ug matulon-anong kutlo niining atong hilo.

Hope to see more surprise in Thread 9!!!... :banana:

Ug nahuman na usab ang laing mabulukon ug matulon-anong kutlo niining atong hilo.

Hope to see more surprise in Thread 9!!!... :banana:

Review: Some Issues and Events Discussed in Thread 8
Talisay Liberation Park

[Boljoon Excavation

New Retablos of Cebu Cathedral

Plaza Independencia

Dalaguete Church Renovation

Gabii sa Kabilin

Diploma in Heritage Conservation

Balaanong Bahandi


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Review: Some Issues and Events Discussed in Thread 8
Talisay Liberation Park

[Boljoon Excavation

New Retablos of Cebu Cathedral

Plaza Independencia

Dalaguete Church Renovation

Gabii sa Kabilin

Diploma in Heritage Conservation

Balaanong Bahandi


NICE enhancement padz, ning pagpahinumdum nimo sa mga nahisgutan sa thread 8

^^^^

wow! thread 9 na! and still going strong!! congratz....to all....and thanks for the memories of thread 8, @Gee!

Ug nahuman na usab ang laing mabulukon ug matulon-anong kutlo niining atong hilo.

Hope to see more surprise in Thread 9!!!... :banana:

NICE enhancement padz, ning pagpahinumdum nimo sa mga nahisgutan sa thread 8

maong paspas kaayo ning atong HILO dinhi kay paspas man pod ang mga kalambuan mahitungod sa pagpanalipod ug pagpreserbar sa mga KABILIN sa atong mga katigulangan ... mabuhi ang SUGBO!!!!! i think there would be more suprises in thread 9

^^^^

wow! thread 9 na! and still going strong!! congratz....to all....and thanks for the memories of thread 8, @Gee!

Ug nahuman na usab ang laing mabulukon ug matulon-anong kutlo niining atong hilo.

Hope to see more surprise in Thread 9!!!... :banana:

NICE enhancement padz, ning pagpahinumdum nimo sa mga nahisgutan sa thread 8

maong paspas kaayo ning atong HILO dinhi kay paspas man pod ang mga kalambuan mahitungod sa pagpanalipod ug pagpreserbar sa mga KABILIN sa atong mga katigulangan ... mabuhi ang SUGBO!!!!! i think there would be more suprises in thread 9

New TREAD New Kagu-ol

May i share an email sent to me...

From: Rosebelle Daculan <*****@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Subject: oslob karsel
To: *******@gmail.com


Hi Bino,

I know this will get you worried too. Especially after the Oslob church burned down. Now, this too?

Even an amateur like me would know that this is wrong conservation technique.

There must be something we can do to stop another pink marble being cemented on a old coralstone structure.

Approaching the karsel you won't see it because they started at the back. Gilipot, gilipat jud ta. If they had started in front, I know somebody would have seen it.

Tourism officer said they cant do anything about it but I refuse to believe, there must be somethuing we can do.

The Argao incident got attention only when it was finished. Please let's not make this another example of our disrespect of culture, our ancestors and the blood and sweat they have given to build this structures.

Ang mga taga-Oslob nga gibinlan niining mga sulundon wala gayod nagpakabana. Pero dili ra man sila ang manununod niini. Ato man ning tanang sugbuanon.

If you have anymore ideas how to stop this desecration let's hear it.



If you are going out there, i'm going with you! Magdala kog plackard.


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May i share an email sent to me...

From: Rosebelle Daculan <*****@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Subject: oslob karsel
To: *******@gmail.com


Hi Bino,

I know this will get you worried too. Especially after the Oslob church burned down. Now, this too?

Even an amateur like me would know that this is wrong conservation technique.

There must be something we can do to stop another pink marble being cemented on a old coralstone structure.

Approaching the karsel you won't see it because they started at the back. Gilipot, gilipat jud ta. If they had started in front, I know somebody would have seen it.

Tourism officer said they cant do anything about it but I refuse to believe, there must be somethuing we can do.

The Argao incident got attention only when it was finished. Please let's not make this another example of our disrespect of culture, our ancestors and the blood and sweat they have given to build this structures.

Ang mga taga-Oslob nga gibinlan niining mga sulundon wala gayod nagpakabana. Pero dili ra man sila ang manununod niini. Ato man ning tanang sugbuanon.

If you have anymore ideas how to stop this desecration let's hear it.



If you are going out there, i'm going with you! Magdala kog plackard.


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^^Yayks!!!...Kalood pud anang pink marble oi.. :cry:

Sa akong tan-aw, mora og dako man kaayo ni nga pagtamas sa maong carcel...:ohno:

^^Yayks!!!...Kalood pud anang pink marble oi.. :cry:

Sa akong tan-aw, mora og dako man kaayo ni nga pagtamas sa maong carcel...:ohno:

parang ruins ng isang synagogue sa Israel...

pero dapat rough marbles din ang gamitin sa pagkumpuni...ang pangit tuloy tignan...

parang ruins ng isang synagogue sa Israel...

pero dapat rough marbles din ang gamitin sa pagkumpuni...ang pangit tuloy tignan...

Argh?! Bakit marble? Hindi naman marble yung original wall ah (I presume that it's original)?!?

I think that's limestone or coral stone.

Argh?! Bakit marble? Hindi naman marble yung original wall ah (I presume that it's original)?!?

I think that's limestone or coral stone.

I like your style 'Dre, the previous thread was summarized/prioritized in just 9 images!

I like your style 'Dre, the previous thread was summarized/prioritized in just 9 images!

They call it cuartel not karsel...

This was already reported during our session last Saturday with Archt. M. Java ... the
Oslob representative (during that session) is active in this advocacy too.

I hope this group will get organized as a watchdog with legal personality and can
call the attention or maybe a simple suggestion. It has the potential of helping
the province and even Cebu City for that matter.


Saludos!

They call it cuartel not karsel...

This was already reported during our session last Saturday with Archt. M. Java ... the
Oslob representative (during that session) is active in this advocacy too.

I hope this group will get organized as a watchdog with legal personality and can
call the attention or maybe a simple suggestion. It has the potential of helping
the province and even Cebu City for that matter.


Saludos!

^^Yayks!!!...Kalood pud anang pink marble oi.. :cry:

Sa akong tan-aw, mora og dako man kaayo ni nga pagtamas sa maong carcel...:ohno:

yes, it's a cuartel de infanteria, not a carcel...nasayop gamay pagsulat ni rosebelle.

hayyy,,, another convoluted issue surrounding this project...paet.

paet. paet. paet.:bash:

^^Yayks!!!...Kalood pud anang pink marble oi.. :cry:

Sa akong tan-aw, mora og dako man kaayo ni nga pagtamas sa maong carcel...:ohno:

yes, it's a cuartel de infanteria, not a carcel...nasayop gamay pagsulat ni rosebelle.

hayyy,,, another convoluted issue surrounding this project...paet.

paet. paet. paet.:bash:

Argh?! Bakit marble? Hindi naman marble yung original wall ah (I presume that it's original)?!?

I think that's limestone or coral stone.

That is not marble. I was told by the provincial engineer that those are dolomite stone slabs from nearby alcoy.

the suggestion of the Committee on Sites, Relics and Structures was to use substitute material but not as thin slabs but actual cut square blocks like the coral stones on the original fabric.

it is now illegal to get coral stones from the sea. therefore substitutes had to be obtained through the mountains that contain much limestone and mactan stones.

also, the rule of conservation is that the new must not pretend to look old although there must be harmony between the two materials.

the barangays of Oslob promised to gather these limestones/mactan stones.

i wonder what happened why these are not being used.

paet.

Argh?! Bakit marble? Hindi naman marble yung original wall ah (I presume that it's original)?!?

I think that's limestone or coral stone.

That is not marble. I was told by the provincial engineer that those are dolomite stone slabs from nearby alcoy.

the suggestion of the Committee on Sites, Relics and Structures was to use substitute material but not as thin slabs but actual cut square blocks like the coral stones on the original fabric.

it is now illegal to get coral stones from the sea. therefore substitutes had to be obtained through the mountains that contain much limestone and mactan stones.

also, the rule of conservation is that the new must not pretend to look old although there must be harmony between the two materials.

the barangays of Oslob promised to gather these limestones/mactan stones.

i wonder what happened why these are not being used.

paet.

i thought gwen had a plan for it? what happened?

i thought gwen had a plan for it? what happened?

^^ ^^

it has to do with the convolutions around the issue which i do not have a handle on.

^^ ^^

it has to do with the convolutions around the issue which i do not have a handle on.

They call it cuartel not karsel...

This was already reported during our session last Saturday with Archt. M. Java ... the
Oslob representative (during that session) is active in this advocacy too.

I hope this group will get organized as a watchdog with legal personality and can
call the attention or maybe a simple suggestion. It has the potential of helping
the province and even Cebu City for that matter.


Saludos!



yes, it's a cuartel de infanteria, not a carcel...nasayop gamay pagsulat ni rosebelle.

hayyy,,, another convoluted issue surrounding this project...paet.

paet. paet. paet.:bash:

Many thanks for the corrections, Sirs...Carcel is for jail, while cuartel is for headquarter, right?

Hahay, such structure is so beautiful and elegantly preserved through ages....Dapat unta careful sa pag-repair.

They call it cuartel not karsel...

This was already reported during our session last Saturday with Archt. M. Java ... the
Oslob representative (during that session) is active in this advocacy too.

I hope this group will get organized as a watchdog with legal personality and can
call the attention or maybe a simple suggestion. It has the potential of helping
the province and even Cebu City for that matter.


Saludos!



yes, it's a cuartel de infanteria, not a carcel...nasayop gamay pagsulat ni rosebelle.

hayyy,,, another convoluted issue surrounding this project...paet.

paet. paet. paet.:bash:

Many thanks for the corrections, Sirs...Carcel is for jail, while cuartel is for headquarter, right?

Hahay, such structure is so beautiful and elegantly preserved through ages....Dapat unta careful sa pag-repair.

My goodness! I suppose they're using concrete to bind those new slabs onto the existing rubblework?

My goodness! I suppose they're using concrete to bind those new slabs onto the existing rubblework?

nanghinaot lang ko nga kinsa man tong nahatagan ug tahas sa pag-ayo o pagpreserbar sa mga heritage sites, mahatagan usab sila ug sakto nga oryentasyon. kay unsaon man kanang maayong plano, ug ang magpatuman sa plano wala gayuy kalibutan sa mga prinsipyo sa heritage conservation. basin nagtuo lang ang kontraktor nga kung ang materyal halos pareho ra ug dagyaw. pero nalipay usab ako dinhi sa atong forum, nga paspas kaayo ang mga balita. hinaoot lang usab ko nga paspas sab kini maaksyonan.

nanghinaot lang ko nga kinsa man tong nahatagan ug tahas sa pag-ayo o pagpreserbar sa mga heritage sites, mahatagan usab sila ug sakto nga oryentasyon. kay unsaon man kanang maayong plano, ug ang magpatuman sa plano wala gayuy kalibutan sa mga prinsipyo sa heritage conservation. basin nagtuo lang ang kontraktor nga kung ang materyal halos pareho ra ug dagyaw. pero nalipay usab ako dinhi sa atong forum, nga paspas kaayo ang mga balita. hinaoot lang usab ko nga paspas sab kini maaksyonan.

nanghinaot lang ko nga kinsa man tong nahatagan ug tahas sa pag-ayo o pagpreserbar sa mga heritage sites, mahatagan usab sila ug sakto nga oryentasyon. kay unsaon man kanang maayong plano, ug ang magpatuman sa plano wala gayuy kalibutan sa mga prinsipyo sa heritage conservation. basin nagtuo lang ang kontraktor nga kung ang materyal halos pareho ra ug dagyaw. pero nalipay usab ako dinhi sa atong forum, nga paspas kaayo ang mga balita. hinaoot lang usab ko nga paspas sab kini maaksyonan.

i called up the tourism officer of oslob and was told that they have started removing kuno the slabs.

it is incumbent upon the mayor of oslob to meet with the governor to set the parameters of this rehabilitation so that heritage principles are not sacrificed at the altar of haste and speed.

hayy, if only i could tell you more about oslob. paet..

:bash:

nanghinaot lang ko nga kinsa man tong nahatagan ug tahas sa pag-ayo o pagpreserbar sa mga heritage sites, mahatagan usab sila ug sakto nga oryentasyon. kay unsaon man kanang maayong plano, ug ang magpatuman sa plano wala gayuy kalibutan sa mga prinsipyo sa heritage conservation. basin nagtuo lang ang kontraktor nga kung ang materyal halos pareho ra ug dagyaw. pero nalipay usab ako dinhi sa atong forum, nga paspas kaayo ang mga balita. hinaoot lang usab ko nga paspas sab kini maaksyonan.

i called up the tourism officer of oslob and was told that they have started removing kuno the slabs.

it is incumbent upon the mayor of oslob to meet with the governor to set the parameters of this rehabilitation so that heritage principles are not sacrificed at the altar of haste and speed.

hayy, if only i could tell you more about oslob. paet..

:bash:

^^

gee, naa diay ko pm nimo regarding the setting up of a gallery of svd memorabilia at usc...please check. thanks.

^^

gee, naa diay ko pm nimo regarding the setting up of a gallery of svd memorabilia at usc...please check. thanks.

Mortar mix cement is good for the lime stone?

Mortar mix cement is good for the lime stone?

Mortar mix cement is good for the lime stone?

the suggested mixture recommended by NHI is 1/3 hydrualic lime, 1/3 sand and 1/3 pozzolanic cement or some kind of combination thereof.

and so, yes, indeed cement can be mixed with lime to stabilize spanish period structures [casas de mamposteria or balay nga bato]. these structures ae often finished with a fabric of cut coral stone [tablillas] and coral rubble [argamasa] (not necessarily limestone), i.e., if we follow NHI standards.

Mortar mix cement is good for the lime stone?

the suggested mixture recommended by NHI is 1/3 hydrualic lime, 1/3 sand and 1/3 pozzolanic cement or some kind of combination thereof.

and so, yes, indeed cement can be mixed with lime to stabilize spanish period structures [casas de mamposteria or balay nga bato]. these structures ae often finished with a fabric of cut coral stone [tablillas] and coral rubble [argamasa] (not necessarily limestone), i.e., if we follow NHI standards.

I've been reading a lot of threads lately but I was certainly struck by one thread which seems to me has not gotten over the passe issue of being queen city.

I'm just wondering as a Cebuano, was there ever a time when Cebu oppressed Iloilo? Is there a historical enmity between Cebuanos and Ilonggos?

I'm just curious because I don't seem to see a competition between Cebu and Iloilo. As for this ODONG, I don't really care if Cebu is queen city or not because a title is just, well, a mere title.

Sin-o ayhan ang nagkuha sing ila korona? Ibalik naton ina nga korona kay anhon mina naton :bash: Ang panahon sara, wala nay angayan magsuy-ob sing korona. Ang korona nga angay naton amo ang kalambuan nga pisikal kag kalambuan sa panghunahuna dili ang pagpabilin sa walay pyus nga panghitabo sa miaging panahon.

I've been reading a lot of threads lately but I was certainly struck by one thread which seems to me has not gotten over the passe issue of being queen city.

I'm just wondering as a Cebuano, was there ever a time when Cebu oppressed Iloilo? Is there a historical enmity between Cebuanos and Ilonggos?

I'm just curious because I don't seem to see a competition between Cebu and Iloilo. As for this ODONG, I don't really care if Cebu is queen city or not because a title is just, well, a mere title.

Sin-o ayhan ang nagkuha sing ila korona? Ibalik naton ina nga korona kay anhon mina naton :bash: Ang panahon sara, wala nay angayan magsuy-ob sing korona. Ang korona nga angay naton amo ang kalambuan nga pisikal kag kalambuan sa panghunahuna dili ang pagpabilin sa walay pyus nga panghitabo sa miaging panahon.

I've been reading a lot of threads lately but I was certainly struck by one thread which seems to me has not gotten over the passe issue of being queen city.

I'm just wondering as a Cebuano, was there ever a time when Cebu oppressed Iloilo? Is there a historical enmity between Cebuanos and Ilonggos?

I'm just curious because I don't seem to see a competition between Cebu and Iloilo. As for this ODONG, I don't really care if Cebu is queen city or not because a title is just, well, a mere title.

Sin-o ayhan ang nagkuha sing ila korona? Ibalik naton ina nga korona kay anhon mina naton :bash: Ang panahon sara, wala nay angayan magsuy-ob sing korona. Ang korona nga angay naton amo ang kalambuan nga pisikal kag kalambuan sa panghunahuna dili ang pagpabilin sa walay pyus nga panghitabo sa miaging panahon.

My mom is an Ilongga but never did I hear from her about this queen city thing. I think this tag line is only being used at beauty pageants these days. :lol: I wonder why some (few) are still too emotional over the tittle?

Sa mga kasimanwa kong cebuano kag kautoran tang ilonggo i hope this issue will be put to rest. Adelante! if the Josenians were to say..

I've been reading a lot of threads lately but I was certainly struck by one thread which seems to me has not gotten over the passe issue of being queen city.

I'm just wondering as a Cebuano, was there ever a time when Cebu oppressed Iloilo? Is there a historical enmity between Cebuanos and Ilonggos?

I'm just curious because I don't seem to see a competition between Cebu and Iloilo. As for this ODONG, I don't really care if Cebu is queen city or not because a title is just, well, a mere title.

Sin-o ayhan ang nagkuha sing ila korona? Ibalik naton ina nga korona kay anhon mina naton :bash: Ang panahon sara, wala nay angayan magsuy-ob sing korona. Ang korona nga angay naton amo ang kalambuan nga pisikal kag kalambuan sa panghunahuna dili ang pagpabilin sa walay pyus nga panghitabo sa miaging panahon.

My mom is an Ilongga but never did I hear from her about this queen city thing. I think this tag line is only being used at beauty pageants these days. :lol: I wonder why some (few) are still too emotional over the tittle?

Sa mga kasimanwa kong cebuano kag kautoran tang ilonggo i hope this issue will be put to rest. Adelante! if the Josenians were to say..

I've been reading a lot of threads lately but I was certainly struck by one thread which seems to me has not gotten over the passe issue of being queen city.

I'm just wondering as a Cebuano, was there ever a time when Cebu oppressed Iloilo? Is there a historical enmity between Cebuanos and Ilonggos?

I'm just curious because I don't seem to see a competition between Cebu and Iloilo. As for this ODONG, I don't really care if Cebu is queen city or not because a title is just, well, a mere title.

Sin-o ayhan ang nagkuha sing ila korona? Ibalik naton ina nga korona kay anhon mina naton :bash: Ang panahon sara, wala nay angayan magsuy-ob sing korona. Ang korona nga angay naton amo ang kalambuan nga pisikal kag kalambuan sa panghunahuna dili ang pagpabilin sa walay pyus nga panghitabo sa miaging panahon.

Sa pilipinas there are the names Queen city, city of golden friendship, city of flowers etc... Sa america there is such a name as windy city and other names for other cities.

Sa showbiz, Nora took the name superstar, sharon came along and took the name megastar, then other entertainers came with other names as concert queen, talk show queen and many many more.

Sa corporations, coke came up with Its the real thing, then there is langhap sarap, and mokia's connecting people

Queen City, megastar, langhap sarap, these are just names each entity would like to brand themselves with the hopes they can live up with the brand image.

Hopefully the debate on taglines and brand images will not migrate to this thread.

I've been reading a lot of threads lately but I was certainly struck by one thread which seems to me has not gotten over the passe issue of being queen city.

I'm just wondering as a Cebuano, was there ever a time when Cebu oppressed Iloilo? Is there a historical enmity between Cebuanos and Ilonggos?

I'm just curious because I don't seem to see a competition between Cebu and Iloilo. As for this ODONG, I don't really care if Cebu is queen city or not because a title is just, well, a mere title.

Sin-o ayhan ang nagkuha sing ila korona? Ibalik naton ina nga korona kay anhon mina naton :bash: Ang panahon sara, wala nay angayan magsuy-ob sing korona. Ang korona nga angay naton amo ang kalambuan nga pisikal kag kalambuan sa panghunahuna dili ang pagpabilin sa walay pyus nga panghitabo sa miaging panahon.

Sa pilipinas there are the names Queen city, city of golden friendship, city of flowers etc... Sa america there is such a name as windy city and other names for other cities.

Sa showbiz, Nora took the name superstar, sharon came along and took the name megastar, then other entertainers came with other names as concert queen, talk show queen and many many more.

Sa corporations, coke came up with Its the real thing, then there is langhap sarap, and mokia's connecting people

Queen City, megastar, langhap sarap, these are just names each entity would like to brand themselves with the hopes they can live up with the brand image.

Hopefully the debate on taglines and brand images will not migrate to this thread.

the suggested mixture recommended by NHI is 1/3 hydrualic lime, 1/3 sand and 1/3 pozzolanic cement or some kind of combination thereof.

(not necessarily limestone), i.e., if we follow NHI standards.

have some relatives who are in Cebu City now. Would like to bring them to Museo Sugbo. Is the second floor open now. The 2 buildings at the back, open na?

the suggested mixture recommended by NHI is 1/3 hydrualic lime, 1/3 sand and 1/3 pozzolanic cement or some kind of combination thereof.

(not necessarily limestone), i.e., if we follow NHI standards.

have some relatives who are in Cebu City now. Would like to bring them to Museo Sugbo. Is the second floor open now. The 2 buildings at the back, open na?

^^ ^^

wa pa intawn oi...had they opened, you and the public would have known....

museo sugbo will never open any of the NM, NHI and other katipunan, WW II and coal mining galleries without a bang. we will not do it quietly hahaha.

august 12 at 4 p.m. is the date to open all of these, including the landscaped quad, carpark, frontage, the newly-discovered well (or wells kay 2 others are waiting to be uncovered). it's [part of the 440th anniv. celebrations of the premier province of the philippines.

^^ ^^

wa pa intawn oi...had they opened, you and the public would have known....

museo sugbo will never open any of the NM, NHI and other katipunan, WW II and coal mining galleries without a bang. we will not do it quietly hahaha.

august 12 at 4 p.m. is the date to open all of these, including the landscaped quad, carpark, frontage, the newly-discovered well (or wells kay 2 others are waiting to be uncovered). it's [part of the 440th anniv. celebrations of the premier province of the philippines.

^^ ^^

it has to do with the convolutions around the issue which i do not have a handle on.

Jo, do you notice how issues about heritage are so convoluted lately? Unsa man gyud ni uy?! Masimbahan o ma LGU, convoluted gyud. Kapoy na.:ohno:

^^ ^^

it has to do with the convolutions around the issue which i do not have a handle on.

Jo, do you notice how issues about heritage are so convoluted lately? Unsa man gyud ni uy?! Masimbahan o ma LGU, convoluted gyud. Kapoy na.:ohno:

^^ ^^

wa pa intawn oi...had they opened, you and the public would have known....

museo sugbo will never open any of the NM, NHI and other katipunan, WW II and coal mining galleries without a bang. we will not do it quietly hahaha.

august 12 at 4 p.m. is the date to open all of these, including the landscaped quad, carpark, frontage, the newly-discovered well (or wells kay 2 others are waiting to be uncovered). it's [part of the 440th anniv. celebrations of the premier province of the philippines.

ha ha ha quiet opening? Ikaw pa!:applause: We'll just wait for our invitations then!!!

^^ ^^

wa pa intawn oi...had they opened, you and the public would have known....

museo sugbo will never open any of the NM, NHI and other katipunan, WW II and coal mining galleries without a bang. we will not do it quietly hahaha.

august 12 at 4 p.m. is the date to open all of these, including the landscaped quad, carpark, frontage, the newly-discovered well (or wells kay 2 others are waiting to be uncovered). it's [part of the 440th anniv. celebrations of the premier province of the philippines.

ha ha ha quiet opening? Ikaw pa!:applause: We'll just wait for our invitations then!!!

I've been reading a lot of threads lately but I was certainly struck by one thread which seems to me has not gotten over the passe issue of being queen city.

I'm just wondering as a Cebuano, was there ever a time when Cebu oppressed Iloilo? Is there a historical enmity between Cebuanos and Ilonggos?

I'm just curious because I don't seem to see a competition between Cebu and Iloilo. As for this ODONG, I don't really care if Cebu is queen city or not because a title is just, well, a mere title.

Sin-o ayhan ang nagkuha sing ila korona? Ibalik naton ina nga korona kay anhon mina naton :bash: Ang panahon sara, wala nay angayan magsuy-ob sing korona. Ang korona nga angay naton amo ang kalambuan nga pisikal kag kalambuan sa panghunahuna dili ang pagpabilin sa walay pyus nga panghitabo sa miaging panahon.

You are so right - what's this penchant for titles anyway? When we were staying in Bacolod, I heard some refer to Cebuanos as ODONG. I just told my kids to ignore the comment because the connotation of the term does not apply to them/us. My children are intelligent classy ladies who had better things to occupy them so it did not bother them either.

But the Illongos that I know are such sweet generous lovely people. I wonder who these creatures are? Name calling should not be entertained.:nono:

I've been reading a lot of threads lately but I was certainly struck by one thread which seems to me has not gotten over the passe issue of being queen city.

I'm just wondering as a Cebuano, was there ever a time when Cebu oppressed Iloilo? Is there a historical enmity between Cebuanos and Ilonggos?

I'm just curious because I don't seem to see a competition between Cebu and Iloilo. As for this ODONG, I don't really care if Cebu is queen city or not because a title is just, well, a mere title.

Sin-o ayhan ang nagkuha sing ila korona? Ibalik naton ina nga korona kay anhon mina naton :bash: Ang panahon sara, wala nay angayan magsuy-ob sing korona. Ang korona nga angay naton amo ang kalambuan nga pisikal kag kalambuan sa panghunahuna dili ang pagpabilin sa walay pyus nga panghitabo sa miaging panahon.

You are so right - what's this penchant for titles anyway? When we were staying in Bacolod, I heard some refer to Cebuanos as ODONG. I just told my kids to ignore the comment because the connotation of the term does not apply to them/us. My children are intelligent classy ladies who had better things to occupy them so it did not bother them either.

But the Illongos that I know are such sweet generous lovely people. I wonder who these creatures are? Name calling should not be entertained.:nono:

Jo, do you notice how issues about heritage are so convoluted lately? Unsa man gyud ni uy?! Masimbahan o ma LGU, convoluted gyud. Kapoy na.:ohno:

Mao gyud.

But I'm so excited seeing the 27 students sa PDHC (Professional Diploma in Heritage Conservation) as they learn more about heritage conservation.

I joined them today at Museo Sugbo for their Saturdays-only sessions. Maka-inspire gyud and ilang dynamics, the exchanges among them, and their oral presentations.

Twenty four of them are municipal/city engineers, planning and development officers, budget officers and tourism officers.

I hope the church people will enroll for the next batch intake in October.

There is so much hope for the future of conservation, after all. :banana:

Jo, do you notice how issues about heritage are so convoluted lately? Unsa man gyud ni uy?! Masimbahan o ma LGU, convoluted gyud. Kapoy na.:ohno:

Mao gyud.

But I'm so excited seeing the 27 students sa PDHC (Professional Diploma in Heritage Conservation) as they learn more about heritage conservation.

I joined them today at Museo Sugbo for their Saturdays-only sessions. Maka-inspire gyud and ilang dynamics, the exchanges among them, and their oral presentations.

Twenty four of them are municipal/city engineers, planning and development officers, budget officers and tourism officers.

I hope the church people will enroll for the next batch intake in October.

There is so much hope for the future of conservation, after all. :banana:

^^ ^^

wa pa intawn oi...had they opened, you and the public would have known....

museo sugbo will never open any of the NM, NHI and other katipunan, WW II and coal mining galleries without a bang. we will not do it quietly hahaha.

august 12 at 4 p.m. is the date to open all of these, including the landscaped quad, carpark, frontage, the newly-discovered well (or wells kay 2 others are waiting to be uncovered). it's [part of the 440th anniv. celebrations of the premier province of the philippines.

aw, ngutana lang ko kay gikan man sila sa gawas unya pwerte na nako pagarpar sa imong museo. Bisan taga Cebu ni silag kagikan pero unfortunately mas daghan pa silag hibaw-an parte sa history sa ubang lugar dinhi sa pnas. Wa man gud ning history sa Cebu matudlo sa eskwelahan. maayo man ang more awareness.

Padungog dungog lang basin ma-imbitar pa sa openning ning ubos nimong higala :)

^^ ^^

wa pa intawn oi...had they opened, you and the public would have known....

museo sugbo will never open any of the NM, NHI and other katipunan, WW II and coal mining galleries without a bang. we will not do it quietly hahaha.

august 12 at 4 p.m. is the date to open all of these, including the landscaped quad, carpark, frontage, the newly-discovered well (or wells kay 2 others are waiting to be uncovered). it's [part of the 440th anniv. celebrations of the premier province of the philippines.

aw, ngutana lang ko kay gikan man sila sa gawas unya pwerte na nako pagarpar sa imong museo. Bisan taga Cebu ni silag kagikan pero unfortunately mas daghan pa silag hibaw-an parte sa history sa ubang lugar dinhi sa pnas. Wa man gud ning history sa Cebu matudlo sa eskwelahan. maayo man ang more awareness.

Padungog dungog lang basin ma-imbitar pa sa openning ning ubos nimong higala :)

^^ ^^

wa pa intawn oi...had they opened, you and the public would have known....

museo sugbo will never open any of the NM, NHI and other katipunan, WW II and coal mining galleries without a bang. we will not do it quietly hahaha.

august 12 at 4 p.m. is the date to open all of these, including the landscaped quad, carpark, frontage, the newly-discovered well (or wells kay 2 others are waiting to be uncovered). it's [part of the 440th anniv. celebrations of the premier province of the philippines.

By invitation ra ang opening, Sir? If naa unta tickets na pwede i-prebook, daghan siguro interested ani. : )

^^ ^^

wa pa intawn oi...had they opened, you and the public would have known....

museo sugbo will never open any of the NM, NHI and other katipunan, WW II and coal mining galleries without a bang. we will not do it quietly hahaha.

august 12 at 4 p.m. is the date to open all of these, including the landscaped quad, carpark, frontage, the newly-discovered well (or wells kay 2 others are waiting to be uncovered). it's [part of the 440th anniv. celebrations of the premier province of the philippines.

By invitation ra ang opening, Sir? If naa unta tickets na pwede i-prebook, daghan siguro interested ani. : )

By invitation ra ang opening, Sir? If naa unta tickets na pwede i-prebook, daghan siguro interested ani. : )

no it will be open to the public. no need for tickets.
during our soft opening last year, the gov. even allowed all the informal settlers around the museo to join the fun and eat the food.

:banana:

By invitation ra ang opening, Sir? If naa unta tickets na pwede i-prebook, daghan siguro interested ani. : )

no it will be open to the public. no need for tickets.
during our soft opening last year, the gov. even allowed all the informal settlers around the museo to join the fun and eat the food.

:banana:

aw, ngutana lang ko kay gikan man sila sa gawas unya pwerte na nako pagarpar sa imong museo. Bisan taga Cebu ni silag kagikan pero unfortunately mas daghan pa silag hibaw-an parte sa history sa ubang lugar dinhi sa pnas. Wa man gud ning history sa Cebu matudlo sa eskwelahan. maayo man ang more awareness.

Padungog dungog lang basin ma-imbitar pa sa openning ning ubos nimong higala :)

open to the public ni, boy oi...so no need to worry, you and you relatives and friends will be invited gayud....and if we have time to open the photo archives, your photos will be on display there too...

i finally saw a katipunan nga pinuti with a brass arm guard sa hilt!!! you will be able to see it and many more sa aug. 12! abangan!

:cheers:

aw, ngutana lang ko kay gikan man sila sa gawas unya pwerte na nako pagarpar sa imong museo. Bisan taga Cebu ni silag kagikan pero unfortunately mas daghan pa silag hibaw-an parte sa history sa ubang lugar dinhi sa pnas. Wa man gud ning history sa Cebu matudlo sa eskwelahan. maayo man ang more awareness.

Padungog dungog lang basin ma-imbitar pa sa openning ning ubos nimong higala :)

open to the public ni, boy oi...so no need to worry, you and you relatives and friends will be invited gayud....and if we have time to open the photo archives, your photos will be on display there too...

i finally saw a katipunan nga pinuti with a brass arm guard sa hilt!!! you will be able to see it and many more sa aug. 12! abangan!

:cheers:

open to the public ni, boy oi...so no need to worry, you and you relatives and friends will be invited gayud....and if we have time to open the photo archives, your photos will be on display there too...

i finally saw a katipunan nga pinuti with a brass arm guard sa hilt!!! you will be able to see it and many more sa aug. 12! abangan!

:cheers:

My relatives will be going back in about a week, guess sunod nilang balik will make sure makahapit sila

"i finally saw a katipunan nga pinuti with a brass arm guard sa hilt!!!" - WOW is this donated? on loan? bought by museo? are there markings on the pinuti?

open to the public ni, boy oi...so no need to worry, you and you relatives and friends will be invited gayud....and if we have time to open the photo archives, your photos will be on display there too...

i finally saw a katipunan nga pinuti with a brass arm guard sa hilt!!! you will be able to see it and many more sa aug. 12! abangan!

:cheers:

My relatives will be going back in about a week, guess sunod nilang balik will make sure makahapit sila

"i finally saw a katipunan nga pinuti with a brass arm guard sa hilt!!!" - WOW is this donated? on loan? bought by museo? are there markings on the pinuti?

Haven't been posted here:

;39629586']Vintage Photos of Cebu
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Haven't been posted here:

;39629586']Vintage Photos of Cebu
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My relatives will be going back in about a week, guess sunod nilang balik will make sure makahapit sila

"i finally saw a katipunan nga pinuti with a brass arm guard sa hilt!!!" - WOW is this donated? on loan? bought by museo? are there markings on the pinuti?

it's owned by the late Gregorio Abellana, member of the Mambaling group of Katipuneros.
he is the grandfather of Jovito Abellana of the "Aginid" fame.


mao ni ang pinuti, apila ng iya mga pusil:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/pinutikatipunan.jpg



and his certificate as a member of the veteran's association:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/veteranos.jpg

naa pay daghan but i told the heir to keep them for now until ma-ready na ang gallery.




USC Press is publishing Jovito's WW II memoirs entitled "My Moments of War to Remember By", while Museo Sugbo has loaned his memorabilia of three large ice chests full of documents.


All the Katipunan memorabilia of Gregorio will be on loan starting August 10. But Jovito's mementos are already with Museo Sugbo.

We will open a special gallery for the two on August 12.

naa pa diay lain, a collector from the U.S. named Rick Philips, now based in Talisay, loaned his collection of memorabilia ni Edward Sharp, a Thomasite assigned in Bohol. The collection includes a lot of albumins of sites in Loon, Caalpe, Tubigon and Tagbilaran ca. 1902-03.

Half of this collection is at Duke University in the U.S. while the other half is loaned by Mr. Philips to Museo Sugbo. amazing, di ba? hahahaah

My relatives will be going back in about a week, guess sunod nilang balik will make sure makahapit sila

"i finally saw a katipunan nga pinuti with a brass arm guard sa hilt!!!" - WOW is this donated? on loan? bought by museo? are there markings on the pinuti?

it's owned by the late Gregorio Abellana, member of the Mambaling group of Katipuneros.
he is the grandfather of Jovito Abellana of the "Aginid" fame.


mao ni ang pinuti, apila ng iya mga pusil:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/pinutikatipunan.jpg



and his certificate as a member of the veteran's association:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/veteranos.jpg

naa pay daghan but i told the heir to keep them for now until ma-ready na ang gallery.




USC Press is publishing Jovito's WW II memoirs entitled "My Moments of War to Remember By", while Museo Sugbo has loaned his memorabilia of three large ice chests full of documents.


All the Katipunan memorabilia of Gregorio will be on loan starting August 10. But Jovito's mementos are already with Museo Sugbo.

We will open a special gallery for the two on August 12.

naa pa diay lain, a collector from the U.S. named Rick Philips, now based in Talisay, loaned his collection of memorabilia ni Edward Sharp, a Thomasite assigned in Bohol. The collection includes a lot of albumins of sites in Loon, Caalpe, Tubigon and Tagbilaran ca. 1902-03.

Half of this collection is at Duke University in the U.S. while the other half is loaned by Mr. Philips to Museo Sugbo. amazing, di ba? hahahaah

it's owned by the late Gregorio Abellana, member of the Mambaling group of Katipuneros.
he is the grandfather of Jovito Abellana of the "Aginid" fame.


mao ni ang pinuti, apila ng iya mga pusil:

and his certificate as a member of the veteran's association:

[naa pay daghan but i told the heir to keep them for now until ma-ready na ang gallery.

All the Katipunan memorabilia of Gregorio will be on loan starting August 10. But Jovito's mementos are already with Museo Sugbo.

We will open a special gallery for the two on August 12.

naa pa diay lain, a collector from the U.S. named Rick Philips, now based in Talisay, loaned his collection of memorabilia ni Edward Sharp, a Thomasite assigned in Bohol. The collection includes a lot of albumins of sites in Loon, Caalpe, Tubigon and Tagbilaran ca. 1902-03.

Half of this collection is at Duke University in the U.S. while the other half is loaned by Mr. Philips to Museo Sugbo. amazing, di ba? hahahaah

nagtoo na akong laway :nuts::nuts: sakto na. Cant wait for august's openning

Bitaw, hope you wont get "tired" seeking out those items na maka increase awareness sa heritage/history of cebu

MORE POWER :applause:

it's owned by the late Gregorio Abellana, member of the Mambaling group of Katipuneros.
he is the grandfather of Jovito Abellana of the "Aginid" fame.


mao ni ang pinuti, apila ng iya mga pusil:

and his certificate as a member of the veteran's association:

[naa pay daghan but i told the heir to keep them for now until ma-ready na ang gallery.

All the Katipunan memorabilia of Gregorio will be on loan starting August 10. But Jovito's mementos are already with Museo Sugbo.

We will open a special gallery for the two on August 12.

naa pa diay lain, a collector from the U.S. named Rick Philips, now based in Talisay, loaned his collection of memorabilia ni Edward Sharp, a Thomasite assigned in Bohol. The collection includes a lot of albumins of sites in Loon, Caalpe, Tubigon and Tagbilaran ca. 1902-03.

Half of this collection is at Duke University in the U.S. while the other half is loaned by Mr. Philips to Museo Sugbo. amazing, di ba? hahahaah

nagtoo na akong laway :nuts::nuts: sakto na. Cant wait for august's openning

Bitaw, hope you wont get "tired" seeking out those items na maka increase awareness sa heritage/history of cebu

MORE POWER :applause:

^^



thanks, Boy...ako pod lagi, angtulo ako laway...but, you know, this is better that these are displayed publicly than held in private hands.

also, thanks for the advanced copies of the book you bought ha.

^^



thanks, Boy...ako pod lagi, angtulo ako laway...but, you know, this is better that these are displayed publicly than held in private hands.

also, thanks for the advanced copies of the book you bought ha.

Mosingit lang ko gamay...Gwapa na gud pwera buyag ang Cebu Cathedral... :banana:

flickr photo by EricRP
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2512/3716286503_e0c83b8458.jpg

Mosingit lang ko gamay...Gwapa na gud pwera buyag ang Cebu Cathedral... :banana:

flickr photo by EricRP
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2512/3716286503_e0c83b8458.jpg

Sir Jo,

naa ko amigo nga kano

Naa sya ibilin nga gamay butang sa Museo Sugbu.

Koan lang gud, gamay nga diary sa usa ka thomasites..

pero naa pa syay reservations sagdi lang kay sige nako ug alam-alam niya nya naa sa maayong kamot ug iyang ibilin sa Museo..

Sir Jo,

naa ko amigo nga kano

Naa sya ibilin nga gamay butang sa Museo Sugbu.

Koan lang gud, gamay nga diary sa usa ka thomasites..

pero naa pa syay reservations sagdi lang kay sige nako ug alam-alam niya nya naa sa maayong kamot ug iyang ibilin sa Museo..

^^

thanks, Boy...ako pod lagi, angtulo ako laway...but, you know, this is better that these are displayed publicly than held in private hands.

also, thanks for the advanced copies of the book you bought ha.

yup. I would agree that it is better in the museum for everybody to appreciate and take pride. It will also ensure na ma eternalize ang name sa ilang forefather. Basin pa sad noon naa unyay usa ka sumosunod na makahunahuna pag baligya, dako na nga kwarta sa mga collectors labi na kay naay mga papeles. Kaso lang kung mabaligya only a select group not the cebuano as a whole maka appreciate sa deeds sa ilang katigulangan.

^^

thanks, Boy...ako pod lagi, angtulo ako laway...but, you know, this is better that these are displayed publicly than held in private hands.

also, thanks for the advanced copies of the book you bought ha.

yup. I would agree that it is better in the museum for everybody to appreciate and take pride. It will also ensure na ma eternalize ang name sa ilang forefather. Basin pa sad noon naa unyay usa ka sumosunod na makahunahuna pag baligya, dako na nga kwarta sa mga collectors labi na kay naay mga papeles. Kaso lang kung mabaligya only a select group not the cebuano as a whole maka appreciate sa deeds sa ilang katigulangan.

I just don't know why... but everytime I see a collector's item in this thread and especially exhibited in the MUSEUM makes me feel good...

Congratulations archaeologue! I hope you don't mind if I take a closer
look at those items (make of revolvers and the pinuti)...

Keep it up!!!

I just don't know why... but everytime I see a collector's item in this thread and especially exhibited in the MUSEUM makes me feel good...

Congratulations archaeologue! I hope you don't mind if I take a closer
look at those items (make of revolvers and the pinuti)...

Keep it up!!!

Sayang kay grabe kaayo ang pagka-taya anang sundang ug pusil. Is their a posibility for it to remove some of the rust? It won't last very long on its current state.

Sayang kay grabe kaayo ang pagka-taya anang sundang ug pusil. Is their a posibility for it to remove some of the rust? It won't last very long on its current state.

Sayang kay grabe kaayo ang pagka-taya anang sundang ug pusil. Is their a posibility for it to remove some of the rust? It won't last very long on its current state.

These, along with many other Katipunan memorabilia, were buried by the son, Jovito, during Martial Law for fear of confiscation. The grandson, Boyet, excavated these since he was keenly interested in the family's past---and is an antiques collector himself.

Actually, for museums, the patina of age, in this case the rust, is not a problem, as it were and we would not like to make it look new at all.

The only conservation intervention for these objects is to apply chemicals to prevent further rusting.

Sayang kay grabe kaayo ang pagka-taya anang sundang ug pusil. Is their a posibility for it to remove some of the rust? It won't last very long on its current state.

These, along with many other Katipunan memorabilia, were buried by the son, Jovito, during Martial Law for fear of confiscation. The grandson, Boyet, excavated these since he was keenly interested in the family's past---and is an antiques collector himself.

Actually, for museums, the patina of age, in this case the rust, is not a problem, as it were and we would not like to make it look new at all.

The only conservation intervention for these objects is to apply chemicals to prevent further rusting.

^^Sir Jo, pwede mangutana? Unsa na update sa katong gibuhat nga libro gani about sa history sa tibook Cebu? Excited kaayo ko ato ug I hope makapalit ko og copy sa finished product...Hehehehe

Salamat daan sa tubag, Sir Jo.

^^Sir Jo, pwede mangutana? Unsa na update sa katong gibuhat nga libro gani about sa history sa tibook Cebu? Excited kaayo ko ato ug I hope makapalit ko og copy sa finished product...Hehehehe

Salamat daan sa tubag, Sir Jo.

CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR SSC MEMBERS WHO MADE THIS BOOK POSSIBLE!

DAGHANG SALAMAT! (sana tama pag-kakasulat ko.)


New book to showcase Cebu’s old churches
By Jason Baguia
Cebu Daily News First Posted 19:29:00 07/12/2009 Filed Under: history, Tourism, Education

Pilgrims, tourists and historical and cultural stakeholders can look forward to a first-of-a-kind guidebook to Cebu's centuries-old Catholic churches in a few months.

The full-color, coffee table volume "Balaanong Bahandi: Sacred Treasures of the Archdiocese of Cebu" will feature Cebu's oldest houses of worship that were built during Spanish rule.

The limited edition "Balaanong Bahandi" will hit bookshelves this Nov. 26. In last week's launch at the garden of the Cathedral Museum, Tourism Secretary Ace Durano announced that the Department of Tourism would order ahead 500 copies.

Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal hosted the launch and pre-selling of the book on July 3, the Feast of Saint Thomas the Apostle.

Proceeds will fund the operations of the Cathedral Museum and the Cebu archdiocese's other cultural heritage projects. Only 2,000 copies of the original edition are available.

The 300-page "Balaanong Bahandi" is co-published by the University of San Carlos Press (USC) and Cathedral Museum.

The book's authors are the Cathedral Museum's curator Louella Alix and volunteer Arnold Carl Sancover, heritage writer Trizer Dale Mansueto and Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral priest Brian Brigoli.

“Balaanong Bahandi” is edited by archaeologist Jose Eleazar Bersales under Msgr. Carlito Pono, chairman of the Archdiocesan Commission for the Cultural Heritage of the Church.

© Copyright 2009 INQUIRER.net. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/news/view/20090712-215110/New-book-to-showcase-Cebus-old-churches

CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR SSC MEMBERS WHO MADE THIS BOOK POSSIBLE!

DAGHANG SALAMAT! (sana tama pag-kakasulat ko.)


New book to showcase Cebu’s old churches
By Jason Baguia
Cebu Daily News First Posted 19:29:00 07/12/2009 Filed Under: history, Tourism, Education

Pilgrims, tourists and historical and cultural stakeholders can look forward to a first-of-a-kind guidebook to Cebu's centuries-old Catholic churches in a few months.

The full-color, coffee table volume "Balaanong Bahandi: Sacred Treasures of the Archdiocese of Cebu" will feature Cebu's oldest houses of worship that were built during Spanish rule.

The limited edition "Balaanong Bahandi" will hit bookshelves this Nov. 26. In last week's launch at the garden of the Cathedral Museum, Tourism Secretary Ace Durano announced that the Department of Tourism would order ahead 500 copies.

Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal hosted the launch and pre-selling of the book on July 3, the Feast of Saint Thomas the Apostle.

Proceeds will fund the operations of the Cathedral Museum and the Cebu archdiocese's other cultural heritage projects. Only 2,000 copies of the original edition are available.

The 300-page "Balaanong Bahandi" is co-published by the University of San Carlos Press (USC) and Cathedral Museum.

The book's authors are the Cathedral Museum's curator Louella Alix and volunteer Arnold Carl Sancover, heritage writer Trizer Dale Mansueto and Cebu Metropolitan Cathedral priest Brian Brigoli.

“Balaanong Bahandi” is edited by archaeologist Jose Eleazar Bersales under Msgr. Carlito Pono, chairman of the Archdiocesan Commission for the Cultural Heritage of the Church.

© Copyright 2009 INQUIRER.net. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/news/view/20090712-215110/New-book-to-showcase-Cebus-old-churches

Sayang kay grabe kaayo ang pagka-taya anang sundang ug pusil. Is their a posibility for it to remove some of the rust? It won't last very long on its current state.

These, along with many other Katipunan memorabilia, were buried by the son, Jovito, during Martial Law for fear of confiscation. The grandson, Boyet, excavated these since he was keenly interested in the family's past---and is an antiques collector himself.

Actually, for museums, the patina of age, in this case the rust, is not a problem, as it were and we would not like to make it look new at all.

The only conservation intervention for these objects is to apply chemicals to prevent further rusting.

I am sure there are still revolvers of the same make in some museums and collector's hands somewhere that are in better condition but this piece was carried by the hands of a Philippine revolutionary. Rusted as it is but it is part of history and it should be left that way.

Sayang kay grabe kaayo ang pagka-taya anang sundang ug pusil. Is their a posibility for it to remove some of the rust? It won't last very long on its current state.

These, along with many other Katipunan memorabilia, were buried by the son, Jovito, during Martial Law for fear of confiscation. The grandson, Boyet, excavated these since he was keenly interested in the family's past---and is an antiques collector himself.

Actually, for museums, the patina of age, in this case the rust, is not a problem, as it were and we would not like to make it look new at all.

The only conservation intervention for these objects is to apply chemicals to prevent further rusting.

I am sure there are still revolvers of the same make in some museums and collector's hands somewhere that are in better condition but this piece was carried by the hands of a Philippine revolutionary. Rusted as it is but it is part of history and it should be left that way.

^^Sir Jo, pwede mangutana? Unsa na update sa katong gibuhat nga libro gani about sa history sa tibook Cebu? Excited kaayo ko ato ug I hope makapalit ko og copy sa finished product...Hehehehe

Salamat daan sa tubag, Sir Jo.

for the volumes under my editorship, Carcar to Samboan, all have finished except that some have problems with reaching the 200-page requirement since their towns, like Alcoy and Santander, have only very recent history.

Carcar has submitted over 350 pages! Argao, at 250 pages, are already under copyediting and final editing.

The deadline for the project is January 2010 pa, when print-ready manuscripts are supposed to be submitted to the Governor.

^^Sir Jo, pwede mangutana? Unsa na update sa katong gibuhat nga libro gani about sa history sa tibook Cebu? Excited kaayo ko ato ug I hope makapalit ko og copy sa finished product...Hehehehe

Salamat daan sa tubag, Sir Jo.

for the volumes under my editorship, Carcar to Samboan, all have finished except that some have problems with reaching the 200-page requirement since their towns, like Alcoy and Santander, have only very recent history.

Carcar has submitted over 350 pages! Argao, at 250 pages, are already under copyediting and final editing.

The deadline for the project is January 2010 pa, when print-ready manuscripts are supposed to be submitted to the Governor.

I am sure there are still revolvers of the same make in some museums and collector's hands somewhere that are in better condition but this piece was carried by the hands of a Philippine revolutionary. Rusted as it is but it is part of history and it should be left that way.

I say "Amen!" to that.

I am sure there are still revolvers of the same make in some museums and collector's hands somewhere that are in better condition but this piece was carried by the hands of a Philippine revolutionary. Rusted as it is but it is part of history and it should be left that way.

I say "Amen!" to that.

I just don't know why... but everytime I see a collector's item in this thread and especially exhibited in the MUSEUM makes me feel good...

Congratulations archaeologue! I hope you don't mind if I take a closer
look at those items (make of revolvers and the pinuti)...

Keep it up!!!

Thanks. The items are still with the owner actually. They will be at the museum on August 10 or thereabouts.

I just don't know why... but everytime I see a collector's item in this thread and especially exhibited in the MUSEUM makes me feel good...

Congratulations archaeologue! I hope you don't mind if I take a closer
look at those items (make of revolvers and the pinuti)...

Keep it up!!!

Thanks. The items are still with the owner actually. They will be at the museum on August 10 or thereabouts.

for the volumes under my editorship, Carcar to Samboan, all have finished except that some have problems with reaching the 200-page requirement since their towns, like Alcoy and Santander, have only very recent history.

Carcar has submitted over 350 pages! Argao, at 250 pages, are already under copyediting and final editing.

The deadline for the project is January 2010 pa, when print-ready manuscripts are supposed to be submitted to the Governor.

Salamat, Sir Jo....January 2010 na... :banana:...Another book for Cebu.

for the volumes under my editorship, Carcar to Samboan, all have finished except that some have problems with reaching the 200-page requirement since their towns, like Alcoy and Santander, have only very recent history.

Carcar has submitted over 350 pages! Argao, at 250 pages, are already under copyediting and final editing.

The deadline for the project is January 2010 pa, when print-ready manuscripts are supposed to be submitted to the Governor.

Salamat, Sir Jo....January 2010 na... :banana:...Another book for Cebu.

New electronic billboard inside carcar's church

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5224/carcarchurchbillboard.jpg

New electronic billboard inside carcar's church

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5224/carcarchurchbillboard.jpg

New electronic billboard inside carcar's church

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5224/carcarchurchbillboard.jpg

score board? ay ... si nyor, dili gyud mahimutang, kinahanglan na gyuy project ... no comment na lang ko!!!

New electronic billboard inside carcar's church

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5224/carcarchurchbillboard.jpg

score board? ay ... si nyor, dili gyud mahimutang, kinahanglan na gyuy project ... no comment na lang ko!!!

Sir Jo,

naa ko amigo nga kano

Naa sya ibilin nga gamay butang sa Museo Sugbu.

Koan lang gud, gamay nga diary sa usa ka thomasites..

pero naa pa syay reservations sagdi lang kay sige nako ug alam-alam niya nya naa sa maayong kamot ug iyang ibilin sa Museo..

It's Museo Sugbo, Ka Bino, not Sugbu (that's the plaza).

tell him he is running out of time. we will open all the galleries in full by august 12. thanks.

Sir Jo,

naa ko amigo nga kano

Naa sya ibilin nga gamay butang sa Museo Sugbu.

Koan lang gud, gamay nga diary sa usa ka thomasites..

pero naa pa syay reservations sagdi lang kay sige nako ug alam-alam niya nya naa sa maayong kamot ug iyang ibilin sa Museo..

It's Museo Sugbo, Ka Bino, not Sugbu (that's the plaza).

tell him he is running out of time. we will open all the galleries in full by august 12. thanks.

Salamat, Sir Jo....January 2010 na... :banana:...Another book for Cebu.

not just a book but 54 books, all different from each other.

Salamat, Sir Jo....January 2010 na... :banana:...Another book for Cebu.

not just a book but 54 books, all different from each other.

score board? ay ... si nyor, dili gyud mahimutang, kinahanglan na gyuy project ... no comment na lang ko!!!

"score board?" - dili uy. priority number para sa mangalawat :)

score board? ay ... si nyor, dili gyud mahimutang, kinahanglan na gyuy project ... no comment na lang ko!!!

"score board?" - dili uy. priority number para sa mangalawat :)

Naka simba ko sa bagong simbahan sa mga Franciscan Friars, Immaculate Conception Church diri sa Durham, North Carolina, ang naa nila number electronic box sa isig kilid sa altar nga unsay hymnal number ang kantahon. All the seats has a book each. Kantahon nila ang tanan stanza.
It is a big new Church.

Naka simba ko sa bagong simbahan sa mga Franciscan Friars, Immaculate Conception Church diri sa Durham, North Carolina, ang naa nila number electronic box sa isig kilid sa altar nga unsay hymnal number ang kantahon. All the seats has a book each. Kantahon nila ang tanan stanza.
It is a big new Church.

A Bioarchaeologist in Cebu
By Jobers Bersales

In the midst of hectic preparations at Museo Sugbo, the Cebu Provincial Museum, for the opening of an additional eight major exhibition galleries this coming Aug. 12, we have taken time to take out the red carpet for a rare visitor to Cebu, a bioarchaeologist from Kyushu University in the person of Ms Ame Garong.

A native of Nueva Ecija working under the anthropology division of the National Museum, Ame is in Cebu as part of her doctoral dissertation work at Kyushu. She is what archaeologists would refer to as a bioarchaeologist, someone who specializes in looking into the nitty-gritty of bones in order to tease out data that can help infer on migration, diet, gender differentiation, and even cause of death, among others.

The transfer of the Cebu NM Branch to Museo Sugbo from Fort San Pedro has also occasioned the movement of all the excavated artifacts currently stored at the Fort. Hence, the reason for her presence in the museum and also because the University of San Carlos has provided funds for her brief trip here.

To digress a bit, among the eight galleries to be inaugurated as part of the 440th anniversary celebrations of the Province of Cebu are four major exhibition spaces jointly installed by the provincial government, the National Historical Institute (NHI) and the National Museum (NM).

I managed to get her interest in securing bone samples from excavations done in Boljoon early this year. This is the reason why a makeshift laboratory has been set up to be used by Ame for her work which will wrap up on Friday afternoon. All the crates containing both human and animal bone samples excavated by NM and the USC Department of Sociology and Anthropology in Boljoon are now being unwrapped from their secure aluminum foils and cellophane containers as you read this. Ame has brought with her tiny drill bits to carefully remove molars and pre-molars and avoid causing too much damage to the upper and lower jaws of the 36 human burials, we recovered in four excavation seasons. She will also get some of the fragments of ribs that we recovered and has promised to return all of the remainders to us after her work in Japan.

While in Kyushu, the bones will undergo laboratory work to remove precious collagen for use in the tracing diet and nutrition, two important factors that I am personally interested in. The data she will produce after this will help us compare early missionary reports on the food that our ancestors as observed by Jesuits and Augustinian priests at the start of the Spanish conquest. At the same time, she hopes to compare data between the sexes and across various age ranges.

Ame herself is interested in tracing migration patterns among the peoples of the Philippines in which she has collected samples. Among these are teeth and bone samples recovered from the Sta. Ana Church excavations of 1967-68; from the Kabayan mummies (mummification stopped when with the coming of the Americans in the Cordilleras); from Batanes (12th-15th century burials); and from burials recovered in Romblon.

Museo Sugbo is not only opening two large archaeological and botanical galleries of the National Museum but will also allow archaeologists and other researchers to conduct their studies at the museum, thereby fulfilling the important role of every museum: not just as a showcase of objects, artifacts and existing knowledge but also as a venue for the search for new knowledge. In a way, Ame’s work is an opening salvo in itself, even if the NM galleries have not been opened yet.

Museo Sugbo has once again set the pace for all museums in Cebu: providing the opportunities for scientists and academicians — or even the simply curious — to spend time not just at its galleries but also to do research on its already growing collection of archaeological artifacts and historical memorabilia.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/opinion/view/20090716-215694/A-Bioarchaeologist-in-Cebu

A Bioarchaeologist in Cebu
By Jobers Bersales

In the midst of hectic preparations at Museo Sugbo, the Cebu Provincial Museum, for the opening of an additional eight major exhibition galleries this coming Aug. 12, we have taken time to take out the red carpet for a rare visitor to Cebu, a bioarchaeologist from Kyushu University in the person of Ms Ame Garong.

A native of Nueva Ecija working under the anthropology division of the National Museum, Ame is in Cebu as part of her doctoral dissertation work at Kyushu. She is what archaeologists would refer to as a bioarchaeologist, someone who specializes in looking into the nitty-gritty of bones in order to tease out data that can help infer on migration, diet, gender differentiation, and even cause of death, among others.

The transfer of the Cebu NM Branch to Museo Sugbo from Fort San Pedro has also occasioned the movement of all the excavated artifacts currently stored at the Fort. Hence, the reason for her presence in the museum and also because the University of San Carlos has provided funds for her brief trip here.

To digress a bit, among the eight galleries to be inaugurated as part of the 440th anniversary celebrations of the Province of Cebu are four major exhibition spaces jointly installed by the provincial government, the National Historical Institute (NHI) and the National Museum (NM).

I managed to get her interest in securing bone samples from excavations done in Boljoon early this year. This is the reason why a makeshift laboratory has been set up to be used by Ame for her work which will wrap up on Friday afternoon. All the crates containing both human and animal bone samples excavated by NM and the USC Department of Sociology and Anthropology in Boljoon are now being unwrapped from their secure aluminum foils and cellophane containers as you read this. Ame has brought with her tiny drill bits to carefully remove molars and pre-molars and avoid causing too much damage to the upper and lower jaws of the 36 human burials, we recovered in four excavation seasons. She will also get some of the fragments of ribs that we recovered and has promised to return all of the remainders to us after her work in Japan.

While in Kyushu, the bones will undergo laboratory work to remove precious collagen for use in the tracing diet and nutrition, two important factors that I am personally interested in. The data she will produce after this will help us compare early missionary reports on the food that our ancestors as observed by Jesuits and Augustinian priests at the start of the Spanish conquest. At the same time, she hopes to compare data between the sexes and across various age ranges.

Ame herself is interested in tracing migration patterns among the peoples of the Philippines in which she has collected samples. Among these are teeth and bone samples recovered from the Sta. Ana Church excavations of 1967-68; from the Kabayan mummies (mummification stopped when with the coming of the Americans in the Cordilleras); from Batanes (12th-15th century burials); and from burials recovered in Romblon.

Museo Sugbo is not only opening two large archaeological and botanical galleries of the National Museum but will also allow archaeologists and other researchers to conduct their studies at the museum, thereby fulfilling the important role of every museum: not just as a showcase of objects, artifacts and existing knowledge but also as a venue for the search for new knowledge. In a way, Ame’s work is an opening salvo in itself, even if the NM galleries have not been opened yet.

Museo Sugbo has once again set the pace for all museums in Cebu: providing the opportunities for scientists and academicians — or even the simply curious — to spend time not just at its galleries but also to do research on its already growing collection of archaeological artifacts and historical memorabilia.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/opinion/view/20090716-215694/A-Bioarchaeologist-in-Cebu

New electronic billboard inside carcar's church

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naay picture kung giunsa pagpapilit ani sa kisame?

New electronic billboard inside carcar's church

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5224/carcarchurchbillboard.jpg

naay picture kung giunsa pagpapilit ani sa kisame?

^^^^
Sigurado kaayo ko nga gi-bracketan ug gi-bolt down ni sa kisame.

^^^^
Sigurado kaayo ko nga gi-bracketan ug gi-bolt down ni sa kisame.

^^ bitaw kay kung gipapilit ra na pagkalami gyud inig maglinog kay magkabuang gyud silag punit ana.

haskang batia ra ba tanawon ana. :lol: pagkanindot sa antique view sa simbahan unya naay nalahi na pagkamodern pud. maypag usbon nalang nila tanan modernize nalang nila tanan aron ma-uniform ang hitsura. :D

imbis na mugastos sila anang equipment mas maayo tingali tagaan nalang nila nang mga tawhana diha ug papel aron basahon, kunsabay, di man pud maayo sa environment ang masigeg gamit ug papel. pero ngano di naman lang nila dak-on ilang tingog aron musunod nalang ang mga tao kaysa naman magbutang sila anang electronic device na out of place kaayo.

^^ bitaw kay kung gipapilit ra na pagkalami gyud inig maglinog kay magkabuang gyud silag punit ana.

haskang batia ra ba tanawon ana. :lol: pagkanindot sa antique view sa simbahan unya naay nalahi na pagkamodern pud. maypag usbon nalang nila tanan modernize nalang nila tanan aron ma-uniform ang hitsura. :D

imbis na mugastos sila anang equipment mas maayo tingali tagaan nalang nila nang mga tawhana diha ug papel aron basahon, kunsabay, di man pud maayo sa environment ang masigeg gamit ug papel. pero ngano di naman lang nila dak-on ilang tingog aron musunod nalang ang mga tao kaysa naman magbutang sila anang electronic device na out of place kaayo.

^^
Kinahanglan man gyud ang mga cura ug ang pastoral council nga naay "mark" ikabilin sa ilang mga simbahan, bisag ngil-ad basta naa lang gyuy mark, hilabina kon gi-cefrahan ug "donated by:" o di kaha, "a project by XXX parish pastoral council 200x-200x" o "through the efforts of".

arang arang nalang nang ilang out of place nga scoreboard kay pwede pa matangtang... ang ubang karaang parokya intawn, ang ilang simbahan gyuy gitangtang! Gi-frankenstein ug maayo.

Kay nindot man pintalan ug GOLD ug ilisan ug Mariwasa tiles ang marble tiles. :bash: hangtod nga dili nalang nimo intawn ma-ilhan ang simbahan inig usab nimog balik:bash:

^^
Kinahanglan man gyud ang mga cura ug ang pastoral council nga naay "mark" ikabilin sa ilang mga simbahan, bisag ngil-ad basta naa lang gyuy mark, hilabina kon gi-cefrahan ug "donated by:" o di kaha, "a project by XXX parish pastoral council 200x-200x" o "through the efforts of".

arang arang nalang nang ilang out of place nga scoreboard kay pwede pa matangtang... ang ubang karaang parokya intawn, ang ilang simbahan gyuy gitangtang! Gi-frankenstein ug maayo.

Kay nindot man pintalan ug GOLD ug ilisan ug Mariwasa tiles ang marble tiles. :bash: hangtod nga dili nalang nimo intawn ma-ilhan ang simbahan inig usab nimog balik:bash:

Demolishing Fort San Pedro horror story
By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 14:04:00 07/23/2009

The Cebu Historical Society or CHS used to be a very active organization that often pitted its members against the modernizing tendencies of local government and church officials. I remember attending a forum it organized in the late 1980s---the topic of which I can no longer recall as my youthful memories fail me now---but that seemed to be the last time I heard of it.

And so it came as a welcome surprise when in the midst of inventorying the voluminous pre-war and post-war documents diligently kept by the late CHS member Jovito Abellana, I came upon copies of the corporate papers of CHS. Also accompanying them was a dazzling treasure of information albeit brief , penned by the late artist Julian Jumalon (famed for his butterfly garden and mosaics made of butterfly wings) regarding its successes---and a few letdowns---in the budding campaign to save historical structures in Cebu.

One of these was the late mayor Sergio Osmeña Jr.’s plan to demolish Fort San Pedro in order to build a new city hall on its premises. Let me quote directly from the CHS report: “1957. Mayor Sergio Osmeña Jr. jolted the public with his announcement to demolish Fort San Pedro and erect on the spot a new City Hall. This started a movement against the demolition idea. Articles voicing opposition appeared in the local dailies and magazines here and at the capital…Finally, confronted by civic leaders and society heads at his City Hall office, he gave up his idea and said he will use instead the space behind the fort.”

Apparently some people never learned from this experience and so Jumalon reports of two more important developments, this time horror stories that came true: the 1964 demolition of the old Recoletos Church and the 1967 demolition of the Little Flower School building owned by the Archdiocese of Cebu. Here are the details: “1964. This year, the Recoletos Fathers decided to modernize by destroying the old Recoletos church. Unlike Osmeña, the Rector did away with public opinion and had the old church demolished hurriedly. This act spread a wave of regrets and shock but nothing could be done anymore.

Regarding the former Little Flower School building, Jumalon writes: “The CHS failed to save the old Spanish house near the Cathedral church (Little Flower)…because Archbishop Rosales …was interested in its demolition…” The demolition happened on April 11, 1967, the very day that the Cebu Archaeological Society held its very first meeting. This was the heyday of archaeology in Cebu City, a far cry from what we see today vis-à-vis the lootings at Plaza Independencia in 2007. Exactly thirty years before this, in 1967, the University of San Carlos was carrying out archaeological excavations on the streets of the old city. More importantly, then city mayor Carlos Cuizon was keenly interested in Cebu’s past, even accepting the position of vice-chair to USC president Fr. Rudolf Rahmann, SVD in the Cebu Archaeological Society.

This list of CHS successes amidst some horror stories make for an interesting proof of the colorful beginnings of the heritage movement in Cebu. Fortunately, a resurgence of this movement has been going on over the past five years under the leadership of Gov. Gwendolyn F. Garcia and the Provincial Tourism and Heritage Council. By ordering all cities and municipalities of the province to establish their own equivalent councils, Cebu is not only leading in tourism, it has also led in the nation’s desire to look back to the past and ensure that both tangible and intangible heritage are conserved for all to appreciate and to bequeath to the future.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/opinion/view/20090723-216851/Demolishing-Fort-San-Pedro-horror-story

Demolishing Fort San Pedro horror story
By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 14:04:00 07/23/2009

The Cebu Historical Society or CHS used to be a very active organization that often pitted its members against the modernizing tendencies of local government and church officials. I remember attending a forum it organized in the late 1980s---the topic of which I can no longer recall as my youthful memories fail me now---but that seemed to be the last time I heard of it.

And so it came as a welcome surprise when in the midst of inventorying the voluminous pre-war and post-war documents diligently kept by the late CHS member Jovito Abellana, I came upon copies of the corporate papers of CHS. Also accompanying them was a dazzling treasure of information albeit brief , penned by the late artist Julian Jumalon (famed for his butterfly garden and mosaics made of butterfly wings) regarding its successes---and a few letdowns---in the budding campaign to save historical structures in Cebu.

One of these was the late mayor Sergio Osmeña Jr.’s plan to demolish Fort San Pedro in order to build a new city hall on its premises. Let me quote directly from the CHS report: “1957. Mayor Sergio Osmeña Jr. jolted the public with his announcement to demolish Fort San Pedro and erect on the spot a new City Hall. This started a movement against the demolition idea. Articles voicing opposition appeared in the local dailies and magazines here and at the capital…Finally, confronted by civic leaders and society heads at his City Hall office, he gave up his idea and said he will use instead the space behind the fort.”

Apparently some people never learned from this experience and so Jumalon reports of two more important developments, this time horror stories that came true: the 1964 demolition of the old Recoletos Church and the 1967 demolition of the Little Flower School building owned by the Archdiocese of Cebu. Here are the details: “1964. This year, the Recoletos Fathers decided to modernize by destroying the old Recoletos church. Unlike Osmeña, the Rector did away with public opinion and had the old church demolished hurriedly. This act spread a wave of regrets and shock but nothing could be done anymore.

Regarding the former Little Flower School building, Jumalon writes: “The CHS failed to save the old Spanish house near the Cathedral church (Little Flower)…because Archbishop Rosales …was interested in its demolition…” The demolition happened on April 11, 1967, the very day that the Cebu Archaeological Society held its very first meeting. This was the heyday of archaeology in Cebu City, a far cry from what we see today vis-à-vis the lootings at Plaza Independencia in 2007. Exactly thirty years before this, in 1967, the University of San Carlos was carrying out archaeological excavations on the streets of the old city. More importantly, then city mayor Carlos Cuizon was keenly interested in Cebu’s past, even accepting the position of vice-chair to USC president Fr. Rudolf Rahmann, SVD in the Cebu Archaeological Society.

This list of CHS successes amidst some horror stories make for an interesting proof of the colorful beginnings of the heritage movement in Cebu. Fortunately, a resurgence of this movement has been going on over the past five years under the leadership of Gov. Gwendolyn F. Garcia and the Provincial Tourism and Heritage Council. By ordering all cities and municipalities of the province to establish their own equivalent councils, Cebu is not only leading in tourism, it has also led in the nation’s desire to look back to the past and ensure that both tangible and intangible heritage are conserved for all to appreciate and to bequeath to the future.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/opinion/view/20090723-216851/Demolishing-Fort-San-Pedro-horror-story

Nasunog ang VISION THEATER.

Nasunog ang VISION THEATER.

^^
aw saktu diay to ako nadunggan nold.. naminaw man gud kog DYAB diri kay init sa gawas.. summer. anyway matagad na na ang Vision kay nasunog naman. if wa pa na masunog, it will remain a hub of pirated dvds.

^^
aw saktu diay to ako nadunggan nold.. naminaw man gud kog DYAB diri kay init sa gawas.. summer. anyway matagad na na ang Vision kay nasunog naman. if wa pa na masunog, it will remain a hub of pirated dvds.

Nasunog ang VISION THEATER.

Yes, I was also listening to DYAB. I just hope that the structure was made of very strong cement so it can withstand the heat. That beautiful facade should at least be saved. Haaaaay. . . See you tomorrow at 1 pm in the museum!

Nasunog ang VISION THEATER.

Yes, I was also listening to DYAB. I just hope that the structure was made of very strong cement so it can withstand the heat. That beautiful facade should at least be saved. Haaaaay. . . See you tomorrow at 1 pm in the museum!