Cebú Heritage Watch [Archive] - Page 55

Ang_Bantayanon

January 28th, 2010, 04:14 AM

Ang_Bantayanon

January 28th, 2010, 04:14 AM

harveharve

January 28th, 2010, 07:21 AM

^^
I remember a couple of years back, the good senator made a speech at Fuente Osmena, I just could not help but be tickled pink when he said that "Fuente Osmena is Cebu's Symbol of Freedom". :bash:

Freedom from cholera and waterborne diseases - yes - but in the context of his speech -definitely no -

And that 9'th ray amendment to the flag law, even his privilege speech also mentions that Lapulapu was Muslim... hmmmm Oh well... he does have a penchant to talk out of his @$$ every now and then, perhaps it is due to the fact that he seems to be perpetually suffering from paralyzed lips because of his novocaine tainted lip gloss. :nuts:

harveharve

January 28th, 2010, 07:21 AM

archaeologue

February 2nd, 2010, 02:36 AM

Arnold_Carl, can you please your recent photo of CIC Mandaue here so I can compare the photo below with it? thanks.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/CICmandauelow.jpg

archaeologue

February 2nd, 2010, 02:36 AM

Arnold_Carl, can you please your recent photo of CIC Mandaue here so I can compare the photo below with it? thanks.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/CICmandauelow.jpg

Mercato

February 2nd, 2010, 03:18 AM

Past Forward
Sen. Gordon’s Lapu-lapu
By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News

First Posted 09:12:00 01/28/2010

No, not the fish! I am referring to Sen. Richard Gordon’s “that brave Tausug Muslim warrior that Cebuanos should be proud of” opening statement at last Friday’s forum with the presidential candidates at the jampacked Cebu International Convention Center.

Eloquent and ebullient as ever, Dick Gordon’s claims-making struck a raw nerve in me. Does the good senator really believe this one version of Lapu-lapu’s lineage as Tausug and Muslim? And if so, should every Sugbuanon be proud that it took someone born in faraway Sulu and ruling an enclave in Mactan to fight for them in the epic battle that is forever celebrated every April 27th?

Where does this claim come from? Antonio de Pigafetta, Magellan’s chronicler provides a brief but quite graphic account of this dawn battle that pitted 1,500 of Lapu-lapu’s men (probably a bloated number as humans are wont to do) with 51 of them, including Pigafetta himself. Nowhere in this account or in the previous days’ reports does Pigafetta indicate that there was a Tausug or Muslim chief in the island of Mactan. Remember, he does mention the presence of Moro traders as well as a small boat that had docked three days earlier than them from Ciama (Siam or present-day Thailand). He even writes of the baptism of a Moro merchant who was in Humabon’s “Sugbo” at the time.

I have nothing against Tausugs nor Muslims, make no mistake. My beef is that Philippine history is marred by so much claims-making such that it problematizes the proper appreciation of history even as it tells us so much of the dismal level of the archival and historical research in this country. True, there is a claim coming from a biased source, an oral tradition allegedly from Sulu that emerged only in the 17th century, some 150 or so years after the fact. This tradition claims that Lapu-lapu is none other than Kalipulaku or Caliph Pulako, indicating that he had a caliphate and was a Muslim teacher. An ex post facto evidence cannot, of course, assail the eyewitness account of Pigafetta.

Why Pigafetta or Rajah Zola (the other chieftain of Mactan who complained to Magellan’s men about the belligerency of Lapu-lapu) did not mention that he was Moro or Muslim speaks volumes about Lapu-lapu’s non-Muslim faith. Anyone who has read the three versions of Pigafetta’s account of Magellan’s voyage will surely appreciate the fact the Pigafetta was no stranger to seeing Moros in Humabon’s court, a mention of which automatically implies that Humabon and his kin were not. For why mention people of a specific faith (and not lineage) if one is trying to emphasize an important and obvious difference?

And so therefore what are we to make of Sen. Gordon’s claims-making? It was probably not intended as an insult to Cebuanos inasmuch as I agree 100 percent that Dick Gordon did so much during his term as tourism secretary to popularize Cebu to the world as an important destination. (Of course, it took Gov. Gwen Garcia’s “Suroy-suroy Sugbo” to expand the horizons of Cebu’s tourism to the towns and beyond its beaches.) I think the more significant aspect of Sen. Gordon’s claim is that it should bring to the fore an honest and well-meaning debate about Lapu-Lapu and what he really represents to Cebuanos and perhaps put an end to all this talk of Cebu and the Visayas as already Islamized when the Spaniards arrived.

That is not, of course, what Sen. Gordon said in his opening statement. But by claiming Lapu-Lapu as Tausug and Muslim, the good senator may have inadvertently caused those who heard him to hint that perhaps Islam had indeed been the religion of the people in this region. That, my dears, is not the case of course. A simple reading of Pigafetta’s chronicles, for one, will tell us that Humabon’s “Sugbo” settlement had temples (more like shrines) with wooden idols located near the shorelines and that they were trading their gold and pigs for Spanish iron. Those idols and those dreadful pigs are a no-no to Islam, a religion that disallows any image of Allah or God and the Prophet, Mohammed and forbids the eating of pork, much less raising them in your backyard! Now, given the short distance to Mactan, wouldn’t a Muslim Lapu-Lapu have also endeavored to convert a Hindu-influenced heathen like Humabon?^^
I remember a couple of years back, the good senator made a speech at Fuente Osmena, I just could not help but be tickled pink when he said that "Fuente Osmena is Cebu's Symbol of Freedom". :bash:

Freedom from cholera and waterborne diseases - yes - but in the context of his speech -definitely no -

And that 9'th ray amendment to the flag law, even his privilege speech also mentions that Lapulapu was Muslim... hmmmm Oh well... he does have a penchant to talk out of his @$$ every now and then, perhaps it is due to the fact that he seems to be perpetually suffering from paralyzed lips because of his novocaine tainted lip gloss. :nuts: The ideologues from the Bangsamoro continually spin book after book, article after article which fortify their claims to large parts of the archipelago based on “history”, but it is a history from their point of view. Most of these dubious articles come from the direction of Kuala Lumpur. Even politicians and unsuspecting simpletons from the National Capital swallow it all, hook, line and sinker. :sly:

By making Lapulapu a Tausug, hence by extension they are saying most of the ancient Visayans were muslims. Then it would be easy to lay claim to huge tracts of the Visayas as part of their dream. An expanded Bangsamoro State. :sly:

So what happened to the Pintados? Vanished from thin air? Tattoos are banned in islam, eating pork is banned in islam. Our ancestors had fun in the sun, now the twisted ideologues want to do revisionism. In a few more years, the next thing we’ll hear is that Queen Juana of Cebu and all the Visayan women were wearing burkhas.

Famous quotations which explain the persistence of those who insist that “Lapulapu was a Muslim, Lapulapu was a Tausug, etcetera…”

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise. Adolf Hitler

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. Adolf Hitler

Having said all that, it used to be a tie between Gordon and Gibo. But with that reckless imprudence from an impestuous Gordon, I am inclined now towards Gibo.

Mercato

February 2nd, 2010, 03:18 AM

harveharve

February 2nd, 2010, 04:20 AM

^^
Although Dick did a lot during his stint in the DOT, I am afraid that he seems to be perpetually misinformed -- such a shame really considering that he was the DOT head honcho -- judging from a sampling of his speeches :bash: Either that or his speech writer was suffering from habitual absentism in History classes and a lack of initiative to check his sources:lol:

harveharve

February 2nd, 2010, 04:20 AM

bukid

February 2nd, 2010, 06:48 AM

The ideologues from the Bangsamoro continually spin book after book, article after article which fortify their claims to large parts of the archipelago based on “history”, but it is a history from their point of view. Most of these dubious articles come from the direction of Kuala Lumpur. Even politicians and unsuspecting simpletons from the National Capital swallow it all, hook, line and sinker. :sly:

By making Lapulapu a Tausug, hence by extension they are saying most of the ancient Visayans were muslims. Then it would be easy to lay claim to huge tracts of the Visayas as part of their dream. An expanded Bangsamoro State. :sly:

So what happened to the Pintados? Vanished from thin air? Tattoos are banned in islam, eating pork is banned in islam. Our ancestors had fun in the sun, now the twisted ideologues want to do revisionism. In a few more years, the next thing we’ll hear is that Queen Juana of Cebu and all the Visayan women were wearing burkhas.

Famous quotations which explain the persistence of those who insist that “Lapulapu was a Muslim, Lapulapu was a Tausug, etcetera…”

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise. Adolf Hitler

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. Adolf Hitler

Having said all that, it used to be a tie between Gordon and Gibo. But with that reckless imprudence from an impestuous Gordon, I am inclined now towards Gibo.

exactly, you know that's what they have been doing since ancient times, in the beginning they would often lay claims to lands through their words, they would spread this claim that a certain land is inhabited by muslims and then they repeat it again and again until the story becomes "truth" to the next generation, and when the time is ripe, that's where they would then claim the entire land through other means and it could be through the sword like what MILF is doing, they laid claim to the entire mindanao when in fact, even zamboanga is a land of the subanen and palawan was inhabited by the tagbanwas. and even without actual possesion they'll lay claim to it.

i've heard of a joke that to conquer lands all you do is make a flag and just plant that flag unto the ground and claim it as your own. now, you'll have a nation for yourself.

bukid

February 2nd, 2010, 06:48 AM

LordCarnal

February 2nd, 2010, 01:48 PM

Arnold_Carl, can you please your recent photo of CIC Mandaue here so I can compare the photo below with it? thanks.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/CICmandauelow.jpg

Here,

Below: The main building.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk242/cebuheritage/schools/cic_mandaue/cic03.jpg

Below: The adjoined low structure.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk242/cebuheritage/schools/cic_mandaue/cic02.jpg

Below: A water well that has been covered with concrete on top and plastered with cement all over.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk242/cebuheritage/schools/cic_mandaue/cic01.jpg

LordCarnal

February 2nd, 2010, 01:48 PM

Ka_Bino

February 2nd, 2010, 02:39 PM

Ka Alegre sad ni Pigafetta sa Dihang nag Lakaw-lakaw sya sa sugbo kaniadto, nga matag maka hibalag sya ug tawo iyang ablihan ang bahag kay tan-awon niya ang pnutos.. bata man o tiguwang

Ka_Bino

February 2nd, 2010, 02:39 PM

Ka Alegre sad ni Pigafetta sa Dihang nag Lakaw-lakaw sya sa sugbo kaniadto, nga matag maka hibalag sya ug tawo iyang ablihan ang bahag kay tan-awon niya ang pnutos.. bata man o tiguwang

archaeologue

February 2nd, 2010, 04:28 PM

Here,

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/CICmandauelow.jpg

Below: The main building.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk242/cebuheritage/schools/cic_mandaue/cic03.jpg

[B]

Below: A water well that has been covered with concrete on top and plastered with cement all over.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk242/cebuheritage/schools/cic_mandaue/cic01.jpg

Wow! finally. Mao gyud diay. And in the old photo, the well appears to be walled in with something dark and quite high.

The concrete staircase appears to have been enlarged, the railings curved somewhat.

Thanks, Nold. This old photo will become part of the upcoming coffee table book I am working on now with Lucy Urgello Miller...

archaeologue

February 2nd, 2010, 04:28 PM

harveharve

February 2nd, 2010, 04:36 PM

Wow! finally. Mao gyud diay. And in the old photo, the well appears to be walled in with something dark and quite high.

Could that be an aljibe just like the one from the Little Flower Academy? Covered well/cistern thinggie? hehe

harveharve

February 2nd, 2010, 04:36 PM

Taga Bogo

February 3rd, 2010, 06:46 AM

Here,

Below: The main building.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk242/cebuheritage/schools/cic_mandaue/cic03.jpg
[QUOTE=archaeologue;51155825]

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/CICmandauelow.jpg

Jobers and Nold, is it just me or does it look like the space between the ground and the floor medyo ni mobo if we are to compare the then and now pictures. Am I correct to think that these spaces of the then architecture was more for ventilation than as an extra space for storage?

Taga Bogo

February 3rd, 2010, 06:46 AM

archaeologue

February 3rd, 2010, 08:12 AM

[QUOTE=LordCarnal;51177635]Here,

Below: The main building.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk242/cebuheritage/schools/cic_mandaue/cic03.jpg

Jobers and Nold, is it just me or does it look like the space between the ground and the floor medyo ni mobo if we are to compare the then and now pictures. Am I correct to think that these spaces of the then architecture was more for ventilation than as an extra space for storage?

The change in ground level is illusory lang, most probably due to the elevation of the cemented grounds across the building, which always happens when renovations are carried out.

It is quite rare to find pavements or grounds where you dig out the first layer in order to replace it with a different one. You always build over what is already existing unless you have more money to spare.

The same holds true for streets, which explains why some buildings have ground floors where the original level is way below the current level of the street outside.

William E. Parsons designed this type of elevated building as an adjustment to tropical climate. It began with early 1900s school building plans that were later erroneously called Gabaldon Buildings. You are correct, the purpose if ventilation because the floor above would be made of wood.

When ground floors became concrete, the elevated flooring became redundant since air could no longer enter the floors through slits on the wooden flooring.

archaeologue

February 3rd, 2010, 08:12 AM

Taga Bogo

February 3rd, 2010, 08:53 AM

[QUOTE=Taga Bogo;51224493]

The change in ground level is illusory lang, most probably due to the elevation of the cemented grounds across the building, which always happens when renovations are carried out.

It is quite rare to find pavements or grounds where you dig out the first layer in order to replace it with a different one. You always build over what is already existing unless you have more money to spare.

The same holds true for streets, which explains why some buildings have ground floors where the original level is way below the current level of the street outside.

William E. Parsons designed this type of elevated building as an adjustment to tropical climate. It began with early 1900s school building plans that were later erroneously called Gabaldon Buildings. You are correct, the purpose if ventilation because the floor above would be made of wood.

When ground floors became concrete, the elevated flooring became redundant since air could no longer enter the floors through slits on the wooden flooring.

thanks for the info. On the "newer" picture, that space I mentioned, it is now "fenced" with the steel matting used during WWII for traction on muddy areas by land vehicles and as makeshift landing areas for airplanes.

So what's the title of your upcoming book. Daghan ni picture? :) kapoy man basa mas nindot tan-awon ang pictures. :)

Taga Bogo

February 3rd, 2010, 08:53 AM

archaeologue

February 3rd, 2010, 04:47 PM

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thanks for the info. On the "newer" picture, that space I mentioned, it is now "fenced" with the steel matting used during WWII for traction on muddy areas by land vehicles and as makeshift landing areas for airplanes.

So what's the title of your upcoming book. Daghan ni picture? :) kapoy man basa mas nindot tan-awon ang pictures. :)

hahahah! yes, boy! I agree.

It is called "Glimpses of Old Cebu: Postcards and Photographs from the Colonial Past" by Lucy Urgello Miller.

It will contain about 440 pcs. out of her own collection of over a thousand pre-war Cebu scenes and sites and about 10 from Cebuano Studies Center and 3 or 4 from others.

If you have a good pre-war photo showing Bogo, please email them to me and I will recommend to the author if she is willing to include it under the chapter "Beyond the City".

archaeologue

February 3rd, 2010, 04:47 PM

Taga Bogo

February 4th, 2010, 04:22 AM

[QUOTE=Taga Bogo;51227449]

hahahah! yes, boy! I agree.

It is called "Glimpses of Old Cebu: Postcards and Photographs from the Colonial Past" by Lucy Urgello Miller.

It will contain about 440 pcs. out of her own collection of over a thousand pre-war Cebu scenes and sites and about 10 from Cebuano Studies Center and 3 or 4 from others.

If you have a good pre-war photo showing Bogo, please email them to me and I will recommend to the author if she is willing to include it under the chapter "Beyond the City".

am still in Bogo now, sa weekend I will try to ask permission from my 90 year old mother if I can look see sa iyang old pictures. I would not know though if those will be of much use though. Seems the "in-thing" during those times was more of pictures of people than of the scenery. About 10 or so years ago, I saw from one of her pictures, a 1930s picture of the columns of the present day Bogo church which then remained unfinished and very sagboton. I am not sure if it is the norm then but the picture gave more focus on her as a teenager than the unfinished church. Mga tawo man not the places so I dont know if they are appropriate specially that the book centers more on as you call it "Cebu scenes and sites"

Pa reserve ko copy beh once it comes out of the press.

Taga Bogo

February 4th, 2010, 04:22 AM

LordCarnal

February 4th, 2010, 12:58 PM

LordCarnal

February 4th, 2010, 12:58 PM

archaeologue

February 4th, 2010, 05:28 PM

[QUOTE=archaeologue;51248061]

am still in Bogo now, sa weekend I will try to ask permission from my 90 year old mother if I can look see sa iyang old pictures. I would not know though if those will be of much use though. Seems the "in-thing" during those times was more of pictures of people than of the scenery. About 10 or so years ago, I saw from one of her pictures, a 1930s picture of the columns of the present day Bogo church which then remained unfinished and very sagboton. I am not sure if it is the norm then but the picture gave more focus on her as a teenager than the unfinished church. Mga tawo man not the places so I dont know if they are appropriate specially that the book centers more on as you call it "Cebu scenes and sites"

Pa reserve ko copy beh once it comes out of the press.

we hope to launch this in April at SM powerebooks or North Wing (fingers crossed!).

you know, photography was quite expensive during your lola's time. this explains why they would rather not waste it on "useless" themes like scenery, etc., and concentrate instead on people, especially portraits of people.

archaeologue

February 4th, 2010, 05:28 PM

archaeologue

February 4th, 2010, 05:37 PM

^^

Amazed pod ko before because some of them would pose amidst a background with a painted scenery..

I don't know if it is still being practiced now.

I saw a photo of my grandparents and the background was a painted scenery of a garden..

...

yes. apparently, nold, this was the norm and practice not just in the philippines but all over the world during that time.

what i am very curious about are the names that you find on old cebu photographs, names of photo studios like Chayseng Studio ("La Unica de Su Clase") and Bongkok ba to? and many more.

somebody has to trace where their present-day generation are located now.

archaeologue

February 4th, 2010, 05:37 PM

Taga Bogo

February 4th, 2010, 05:42 PM

^^

Amazed pod ko before because some of them would pose amidst a background with a painted scenery..

I don't know if it is still being practiced now.

I saw a photo of my grandparents and the background was a painted scenery of a garden..

...

"I saw a photo of my grandparents and the background was a painted scenery of a garden.." - were they in white terno or in japanese kimono with hardly a smile or an emotion on their faces :) and as the song goes poker face

Taga Bogo

February 4th, 2010, 05:42 PM

^^

Amazed pod ko before because some of them would pose amidst a background with a painted scenery..

I don't know if it is still being practiced now.

I saw a photo of my grandparents and the background was a painted scenery of a garden..

...

"I saw a photo of my grandparents and the background was a painted scenery of a garden.." - were they in white terno or in japanese kimono with hardly a smile or an emotion on their faces :) and as the song goes poker face

Taga Bogo

February 4th, 2010, 06:29 PM

[QUOTE=Taga Bogo;51282619]

we hope to launch this in April at SM powerebooks or North Wing (fingers crossed!).

you know, photography was quite expensive during your lola's time. this explains why they would rather not waste it on "useless" themes like scenery, etc., and concentrate instead on people, especially portraits of people.

"we hope to launch this in April at SM powerebooks or North Wing" - would really appreciate if you can keep us updated.

Will there also be book/author signing with the launching?

Taga Bogo

February 4th, 2010, 06:29 PM

archaeologue

February 5th, 2010, 12:05 AM

[QUOTE=archaeologue;51313235]

"we hope to launch this in April at SM powerebooks or North Wing" - would really appreciate if you can keep us updated.

Will there also be book/author signing with the launching?

yup. of course the author's presence is the reason why there is a launching, boy. wa gyud tay halin if wala siya huhuhu.

archaeologue

February 5th, 2010, 12:05 AM

Taga Bogo

February 5th, 2010, 08:19 PM

[QUOTE=Taga Bogo;51316777]

yup. of course the author's presence is the reason why there is a launching, boy. wa gyud tay halin if wala siya huhuhu.

Jo sige lang, ginagmayay lang, from the heart man sad ang support, basta you.

Taga Bogo

February 5th, 2010, 08:19 PM

archaeologue

February 6th, 2010, 03:33 AM

Thanks, Boy. Coming from you, I know howe big your ginagmay is. hahah....thanks for the constant support.

:cheers:

archaeologue

February 6th, 2010, 03:33 AM

Thanks, Boy. Coming from you, I know howe big your ginagmay is. hahah....thanks for the constant support.

:cheers:

archaeologue

February 6th, 2010, 03:43 AM

These are photos taken around 1980 as part of the documentation work of the USC Cebuanos Studies Center.

These photos show two treasures now lost (one covered up with a cement altar by the Monsignor of Wrecking Balls and the other reportedly sold by the late "Lord of Gambling" priest assigned in the 1980s in Boljoon):

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/AltarattheBoljoonBaptismalFontlo-1.jpg

The painting that once adorned the Baptistry was reported stolen but many suspect it was surreptitiously taken out one night to pay for someone's gambling debts.

The two estofado images are also gone.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/CapillaPosaArgaolow.jpg

The capilla posa of Argao that is now covered over with a new shrine to a new San Miguel image just outside the puerta mayor of the church. A handiwork of the fund-raising monsignor of wrecking balls now assigned to a church somewhere in the city.

archaeologue

February 6th, 2010, 03:43 AM

LordCarnal

February 6th, 2010, 05:47 AM

"I saw a photo of my grandparents and the background was a painted scenery of a garden.." - were they in white terno or in japanese kimono with hardly a smile or an emotion on their faces :) and as the song goes poker face

They were in white terno. Di pa cguro uso ang plantsa because the clothes look crumpled. Hehehe.

LordCarnal

February 6th, 2010, 05:47 AM

sine.anima

February 8th, 2010, 04:05 AM

These are photos taken around 1980 as part of the documentation work of the USC Cebuanos Studies Center.

These photos show two treasures now lost (one covered up with a cement altar by the Monsignor of Wrecking Balls and the other reportedly sold by the late "Lord of Gambling" priest assigned in the 1980s in Boljoon):

The painting that once adorned the Baptistry was reported stolen but many suspect it was surreptitiously taken out one night to pay for someone's gambling debts.

The two estofado images are also gone.

The capilla posa of Argao that is now covered over with a new shrine to a new San Miguel image just outside the puerta mayor of the church. A handiwork of the fund-raising monsignor of wrecking balls now assigned to a church somewhere in the city.

how unfortunate. it is so frustrating that cases like these happened to almost every parish in the philippines.

those estofado images of the dolorosa and san juan must originally have adorned a calvario altar.

the carrozza in this picture is apparently missing too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2110/3541468908_3fe3fcd88d.jpg

sine.anima

February 8th, 2010, 04:05 AM

These are photos taken around 1980 as part of the documentation work of the USC Cebuanos Studies Center.

These photos show two treasures now lost (one covered up with a cement altar by the Monsignor of Wrecking Balls and the other reportedly sold by the late "Lord of Gambling" priest assigned in the 1980s in Boljoon):

The painting that once adorned the Baptistry was reported stolen but many suspect it was surreptitiously taken out one night to pay for someone's gambling debts.

The two estofado images are also gone.

The capilla posa of Argao that is now covered over with a new shrine to a new San Miguel image just outside the puerta mayor of the church. A handiwork of the fund-raising monsignor of wrecking balls now assigned to a church somewhere in the city.

how unfortunate. it is so frustrating that cases like these happened to almost every parish in the philippines.

those estofado images of the dolorosa and san juan must originally have adorned a calvario altar.

the carrozza in this picture is apparently missing too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2110/3541468908_3fe3fcd88d.jpg

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 8th, 2010, 02:13 PM

how unfortunate. it is so frustrating that cases like these happened to almost every parish in the philippines.

those estofado images of the dolorosa and san juan must originally have adorned a calvario altar.

the carrozza in this picture is apparently missing too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2110/3541468908_3fe3fcd88d.jpg

Thankfully, the carroza is still there, albeit in a quite diminished state.

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 8th, 2010, 02:13 PM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 8th, 2010, 02:15 PM

how unfortunate. it is so frustrating that cases like these happened to almost every parish in the philippines.

those estofado images of the dolorosa and san juan must originally have adorned a calvario altar.

the carrozza in this picture is apparently missing too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2110/3541468908_3fe3fcd88d.jpg

If you mean the carroza of Argao, yes, it is still there. Boljoon has a similar round carroza.

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 8th, 2010, 02:15 PM

how unfortunate. it is so frustrating that cases like these happened to almost every parish in the philippines.

those estofado images of the dolorosa and san juan must originally have adorned a calvario altar.

the carrozza in this picture is apparently missing too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2110/3541468908_3fe3fcd88d.jpg

If you mean the carroza of Argao, yes, it is still there. Boljoon has a similar round carroza.

sine.anima

February 8th, 2010, 05:39 PM

are the buildings in the background still extant?

sine.anima

February 8th, 2010, 05:39 PM

are the buildings in the background still extant?

archaeologue

February 9th, 2010, 02:24 AM

the carrozza in this picture is apparently missing too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2110/3541468908_3fe3fcd88d.jpg

you mean this caroza is from boljoon too? if not, where was this caroza?

archaeologue

February 9th, 2010, 02:24 AM

the carrozza in this picture is apparently missing too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2110/3541468908_3fe3fcd88d.jpg

you mean this caroza is from boljoon too? if not, where was this caroza?

archaeologue

February 9th, 2010, 02:40 AM

archaeologue

February 9th, 2010, 02:40 AM

LeonKilat

February 9th, 2010, 04:37 PM

I need some help. I need to know the old or original name of Pelaez street in Cebu city. Anybody please? Salamat kaayo!

LeonKilat

February 9th, 2010, 04:37 PM

I need some help. I need to know the old or original name of Pelaez street in Cebu city. Anybody please? Salamat kaayo!

harveharve

February 10th, 2010, 05:55 AM

^^
As early as 1913 it was called Calle Pelaez.
The road already existed by the time the 1911-1912 cadastral survey was made and was called Calle Pelaez.

I have no knowledge of the existence of Pelaez street between the years 1873 through 1911. Somebody out there might be of help.
But definitely, it was already called Calle Pelaez by the time the Falek map was published.

In 1873, the road has yet to be built.

harveharve

February 10th, 2010, 05:55 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 10th, 2010, 07:02 AM

This is another loss so common to many churches. See how grand and beautiful Dumanjug Church's interiors used to be in this 1939 Flores de Mayo photo. The floors look like they are made of wood (?) with Machuca-type baldoza tiles at the center.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/DumanjugChurchinteriorlowfile.jpg

This then shall be added to our litany of lamentations over the lost heritage of the archdiocese of Cebu. It pains me to look at this picture knowing very well how the present church looks now.

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 10th, 2010, 07:02 AM

goleyson

February 10th, 2010, 01:57 PM

you mean this caroza is from boljoon too? if not, where was this caroza?

sir, sa argao na siya nga caro. mao gihapon na ang ilang processional image every fiesta but the caro is new na.

goleyson

February 10th, 2010, 01:57 PM

you mean this caroza is from boljoon too? if not, where was this caroza?

sir, sa argao na siya nga caro. mao gihapon na ang ilang processional image every fiesta but the caro is new na.

archaeologue

February 10th, 2010, 05:23 PM

sir, sa argao na siya nga caro. mao gihapon na ang ilang processional image every fiesta but the caro is new na.

yup. thanks. so this must be the Mamac house that is now severley dilapidated?

archaeologue

February 10th, 2010, 05:23 PM

sir, sa argao na siya nga caro. mao gihapon na ang ilang processional image every fiesta but the caro is new na.

yup. thanks. so this must be the Mamac house that is now severley dilapidated?

archaeologue

February 10th, 2010, 05:24 PM

I need some help. I need to know the old or original name of Pelaez street in Cebu city. Anybody please? Salamat kaayo!

Pelaez used to be called Teatro, according to the "Guide Directory of Cebu Province", published in 1914 by Pedro Rivera-Mir and printed by Falek's Printing House. It was an alley or callejones (as it still is today)

archaeologue

February 10th, 2010, 05:24 PM

Jarenz

February 12th, 2010, 07:00 AM

SSC Cebu Scheduled of Charity Projects

Feb. 20 - Gawad Kalinga Building Program (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=301947&page=786)

kindly read post # 15720 (for details)

Feb. 28 - Orphanage visit @ Missionaries of Charity in Pasil (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=51765919#post51765919)

kindly read post # 15720 (for details)

I'm encouraging everyone to join. - Tnx -

SSC Cebu SecGen

Jarenz

February 12th, 2010, 07:00 AM

goleyson

February 13th, 2010, 12:11 PM

yup. thanks. so this must be the Mamac house that is now severley dilapidated?

If I remember it right, the Mamac house have red clay roof tiles while the photo above shows nipa.

goleyson

February 13th, 2010, 12:11 PM

yup. thanks. so this must be the Mamac house that is now severley dilapidated?

If I remember it right, the Mamac house have red clay roof tiles while the photo above shows nipa.

archaeologue

February 13th, 2010, 04:35 PM

If I remember it right, the Mamac house have red clay roof tiles while the photo above shows nipa.

mao. i noticed the roof only the other day. thanks for pointing it out also.

archaeologue

February 13th, 2010, 04:35 PM

If I remember it right, the Mamac house have red clay roof tiles while the photo above shows nipa.

mao. i noticed the roof only the other day. thanks for pointing it out also.

Ka_Bino

February 14th, 2010, 05:01 AM

:cheers: happi beerday jojo beers

sana malasing mo kame

Ka_Bino

February 14th, 2010, 05:01 AM

:cheers: happi beerday jojo beers

sana malasing mo kame

archaeologue

February 14th, 2010, 12:18 PM

:cheers: happi beerday jojo beers

sana malasing mo kame

haha..thanks but i don't drink beer...heheh

archaeologue

February 14th, 2010, 12:18 PM

:cheers: happi beerday jojo beers

sana malasing mo kame

haha..thanks but i don't drink beer...heheh

maayomo

February 21st, 2010, 05:00 AM

Just wanted to make comparisons of old photos of Cebu and new ones. All of these old photos, I got from this thread.

http://i50.tinypic.com/66zp05.jpg

View of the Capitol from Fuente Osmena

http://i50.tinypic.com/65ux4j.jpg

View of Colon Street from the five-point intersection

http://i45.tinypic.com/21e0shg.jpg

Calle Magallanes going to Magellan's Cross

http://i49.tinypic.com/194lfs.jpg

View of Magallanes Street from the Magellan's Cross

http://i49.tinypic.com/20a8kf6.jpg

The Magallanes-Manalili intersection

http://i47.tinypic.com/4gqft4.jpg

Calle Morga (now M.C. Briones St.)

http://i45.tinypic.com/xd77z8.jpg

Shamrock Hotel

http://i45.tinypic.com/2enubgi.jpg

Vision Theatre

maayomo

February 21st, 2010, 05:00 AM

Wolfranz

February 21st, 2010, 03:24 PM

Hey everyone, while riding a jeep going to SM recently, I saw the Heritage of Cebu Monument undergoing some changes, i.e. the fence and pavement around it...

Wolfranz

February 21st, 2010, 03:24 PM

Hey everyone, while riding a jeep going to SM recently, I saw the Heritage of Cebu Monument undergoing some changes, i.e. the fence and pavement around it...

Ka_Bino

February 23rd, 2010, 03:45 PM

it Ace Durano's project..

he was a guest of one of Taytayan events,

and together with a Parianon Joy Uy, Kapt Mark Balaga, i toured them around the dark cebu heritage monument, with only my led flash light..

He promised funds, for the flood light and rehab of the fence..

Ka_Bino

February 23rd, 2010, 03:45 PM

sanvalente

February 27th, 2010, 12:25 AM

Maayomo@

Keep it up! I hope you can also post a photo of the old cebu trade school now cebu
technological university. there's an old building at the corner facing arellano blvd.

sanvalente

February 27th, 2010, 12:25 AM

Maayomo@

Keep it up! I hope you can also post a photo of the old cebu trade school now cebu
technological university. there's an old building at the corner facing arellano blvd.

Ka_Bino

March 1st, 2010, 04:07 AM

Manila Media will be here for a Visita Iglesia Tour to be conducted by this representation.

We'll visit 7 colonial churches of the following southern towns

Oslob
Boljoon
Dalaguete
Argao
Sibonga
Carcar
San Fernando

And this would be another chance of promoting Balaanon Bahandi.

txt lang ko nimo Jo if naay order/s

Ka_Bino

March 1st, 2010, 04:07 AM

archaeologue

March 1st, 2010, 04:55 AM

archaeologue

March 1st, 2010, 04:55 AM

maayomo

March 1st, 2010, 01:37 PM

Maayomo@

Keep it up! I hope you can also post a photo of the old cebu trade school now cebu
technological university. there's an old building at the corner facing arellano blvd.

Thanks, Sir! :)

Uhm, you mean the small, old building that looks like a church building? Yeah, I've been wanting to take photos of the inside and from the inside. Small project last year. One of these days siguro. :)

maayomo

March 1st, 2010, 01:37 PM

archaeologue

March 8th, 2010, 01:05 PM

My friend Sten Sjostrand is coming to Cebu this week!

See and hear him speak about shipwrecks and ceramics at Museo Sugbo:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sjostrand.jpg

Please call USC Museum at 2531000 loc. 191 to reserve a seat. Also try the Museo Sugbo phone, 5162128 and ask for Rey.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/sjostrandstreamer.jpg

you can lookout for his books (some of which he will bring to sell) in the Internet:

http://www.mingwrecks.com/Publications.html

archaeologue

March 8th, 2010, 01:05 PM

SleMarKen

March 8th, 2010, 01:13 PM

^^ apil mi!

SleMarKen

March 8th, 2010, 01:13 PM

^^ apil mi!

naruto-kun

March 8th, 2010, 01:37 PM

naruto-kun

March 8th, 2010, 01:37 PM

archaeologue

March 8th, 2010, 02:15 PM

guys, i have a question. Does the book that was published by the archdiocese of cebu that was named "kabilin" or something like it still available? I wanted to buy the book because of the pictures of the church :D

if you mean balaanong bahandi, you can buy it at Cathedral Museum or at USC Press, Catholic Trade, USC Museum and soon, National Bookstore and Power Books.

is this what you mean?

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bannerbb2.jpg

archaeologue

March 8th, 2010, 02:15 PM

archaeologue

March 8th, 2010, 02:16 PM

^^ apil mi!

yes, i will reserve two seats fro the 2 of u.

archaeologue

March 8th, 2010, 02:16 PM

^^ apil mi!

yes, i will reserve two seats fro the 2 of u.

SleMarKen

March 9th, 2010, 09:58 AM

thnx sir jo!

SleMarKen

March 9th, 2010, 09:58 AM

thnx sir jo!

naruto-kun

March 9th, 2010, 01:31 PM

if you mean balaanong bahandi, you can buy it at Cathedral Museum or at USC Press, Catholic Trade, USC Museum and soon, National Bookstore and Power Books.

is this what you mean?

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/bannerbb2.jpg

yes, thank you so much :D

naruto-kun

March 9th, 2010, 01:31 PM

SleMarKen

March 9th, 2010, 01:56 PM

if you mean balaanong bahandi, you can buy it at Cathedral Museum or at USC Press, Catholic Trade, USC Museum and soon, National Bookstore and Power Books.

are they really available at National and PowerBooks?

SleMarKen

March 9th, 2010, 01:56 PM

archaeologue

March 10th, 2010, 09:07 AM

^^

soon pa bya...the contract was sent yesterday.

archaeologue

March 10th, 2010, 09:07 AM

^^

soon pa bya...the contract was sent yesterday.

le Reine

March 11th, 2010, 03:37 PM

^^yeah. I also saw some copies here but my, oh my, it's expensive... :(

le Reine

March 11th, 2010, 03:37 PM

^^yeah. I also saw some copies here but my, oh my, it's expensive... :(

archaeologue

March 15th, 2010, 02:02 PM

^^ considering that it's over 300 pages, in full color, and covers 56 colonial churches with full texts, i don't think it is expensive.

of course, I am biased.

but consider, for example, the La Naval de Manila book, selling at P4,500 or the Sto. Nino book, at P2,700 (published in 2001 pa ha). these two are dated and are not even as thick as BB.

archaeologue

March 15th, 2010, 02:02 PM

Pari-an child

March 18th, 2010, 08:28 AM

Hello Ka Bino!

I've just discovered this website by chance today & came across this Thread - Cebu Heritage. It gives me nostalgic feelings looking at those old and not so old photos of Cebu. Not only Cebu is so beautiful but rich in history as well. (ehem! i luv my own ... :))

Are you by chance taga Pari-an sab? Kani c Joy Uy - anak ni cya ni Henry Uy whose family lives in Ibarra Street? Brgy Pari-an is my stomping ground. Very proud to be born and raised there.
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it Ace Durano's project..

he was a guest of one of Taytayan events,

and together with a Parianon Joy Uy, Kapt Mark Balaga, i toured them around the dark cebu heritage monument, with only my led flash light..

He promised funds, for the flood light and rehab of the fence..

Pari-an child

March 18th, 2010, 08:28 AM

Pari-an child

March 18th, 2010, 08:33 AM

Pari-an child

March 18th, 2010, 08:33 AM

Ka_Bino

March 23rd, 2010, 12:58 PM

Hello Ka Bino!

I've just discovered this website by chance today & came across this Thread - Cebu Heritage. It gives me nostalgic feelings looking at those old and not so old photos of Cebu. Not only Cebu is so beautiful but rich in history as well. (ehem! i luv my own ... )

Are you by chance taga Pari-an sab? Kani c Joy Uy - anak ni cya ni Henry Uy whose family lives in Ibarra Street? Brgy Pari-an is my stomping ground. Very proud to be born and raised there.

i used to be Parianon for almost 5 years, i move to a semi-negros-cebu based, and if in cebu iam at sikatuna st

Ka_Bino

March 23rd, 2010, 12:58 PM

Hello Ka Bino!

I've just discovered this website by chance today & came across this Thread - Cebu Heritage. It gives me nostalgic feelings looking at those old and not so old photos of Cebu. Not only Cebu is so beautiful but rich in history as well. (ehem! i luv my own ... )

Are you by chance taga Pari-an sab? Kani c Joy Uy - anak ni cya ni Henry Uy whose family lives in Ibarra Street? Brgy Pari-an is my stomping ground. Very proud to be born and raised there.

i used to be Parianon for almost 5 years, i move to a semi-negros-cebu based, and if in cebu iam at sikatuna st

Joselenton

April 1st, 2010, 07:30 AM

score board? ay ... si nyor, dili gyud mahimutang, kinahanglan na gyuy project ... no comment na lang ko!!!

Hi! I am from A. B Daclan Electronics, we are the one who install that electronic board, actually that is not scoreboard or priority number display, that is a message display board capable of displaying LYRICS,,,,,,,by the way we are Cebu base LED display manufacturer....:)

Joselenton

April 1st, 2010, 07:30 AM

Joselenton

April 1st, 2010, 07:34 AM

Hi! I am from A. B Daclan Electronics, we are the one who install that electronic board, actually that is not scoreboard or priority number display, that is a message display board capable of displaying LYRICS,,,,,,,by the way we are Cebu base LED display manufacturer....

Joselenton

April 1st, 2010, 07:34 AM

archaeologue

April 4th, 2010, 02:10 PM

archaeologue

April 4th, 2010, 02:10 PM

goleyson

April 5th, 2010, 11:35 AM

^^

i saw similar boards inside the basilica.

goleyson

April 5th, 2010, 11:35 AM

^^

i saw similar boards inside the basilica.

MatudNilaBaby

April 5th, 2010, 02:34 PM

^^

regardless of whether it is for lyrics or for some announcements, this electronic board is no place for a heritage sturcture like Carcar Church.

it is incongruous---meaning, it does not belong there amidst all those old architectural elements of this heritage church.

we understand you are involved in the business of installing these things. we cannot blame you. but the parish priest should have thought of the dismaot or the incompatibility of this modern contraption with its surroundings.

:ohno:
its the signs of the times sir. you saying that an electronic billboard dont belong there shows that you've been a close minded archeologist. you didnt think about its usefulness to the parishoners in guiding them with the their hyms and readings. thats what technology is about.

MatudNilaBaby

April 5th, 2010, 02:34 PM

wildfrangipani

April 6th, 2010, 02:19 PM

wildfrangipani

April 6th, 2010, 02:19 PM

sanvalente

April 6th, 2010, 02:32 PM

sanvalente

April 6th, 2010, 02:32 PM

sanvalente

April 6th, 2010, 02:43 PM

sanvalente

April 6th, 2010, 02:43 PM

wildfrangipani

April 6th, 2010, 03:02 PM

Repaint, paint or whatever is the right term to the act or process and to those substance they applied to the walls of the Forbidden City to make it appear bright red again or to the colonial houses in Macau in varried colours. Tag me along with the miseducated ones.

Food or paint? Food for the priest? Are they in poverty? Even those who profess the vow of poverty are among the richest. LOL. I hope they could spare a bit to make their churches look clean and fresh fitting to be called a place of worship.

wildfrangipani

April 6th, 2010, 03:02 PM

wildfrangipani

April 6th, 2010, 03:13 PM

.... depends on where you stand. There are so many things to learn about heritage conservation. Telling somebody to be a "close minded..." ,may not be
appropriate in this forum..

Yes matudnila, quite not fair. We have the option to use overhead projectors which can be concealed or distribute pamphlets where the readings prayers and hymns are pinted and then distributed to the congregation.

wildfrangipani

April 6th, 2010, 03:13 PM

lionel messi

April 6th, 2010, 04:38 PM

lionel messi

April 6th, 2010, 04:38 PM

archaeologue

April 6th, 2010, 05:08 PM

its the signs of the times sir. you saying that an electronic billboard dont belong there shows that you've been a close minded archeologist. you didnt think about its usefulness to the parishoners in guiding them with the their hyms and readings. thats what technology is about.

i think you're being funny.

i don't like to be haughty, but if you think we should move with the times, then why not put everything in?---all in, as they say: TVs all over the pews, headphones...well, we can even allow a Starbucks right at the corner of the plaza, if you please. those are the signs of the times, right?

you see, there are churches and then there are churches.

if you study your conservation documents, especially the UNESCO charters (issued since the 1950s), you will understand better the concept of compatibility...before you whiplash your thoughts of me as close-minded, i think i would rather that you look up Burra Charter and judge for yourself afterwards whether putting an electronic board up this heritage church is the way to go just because this is the "in" thing.

have you been to German or British heritage churches? or, closer to home, have you been to San Agustin Church in Intramuros? if not, try going there and see for yourself whether you prefer that or Carcar church with its incongruous electronic board.

and then let's put up computers all over the church.

archaeologue

April 6th, 2010, 05:08 PM

archaeologue

April 6th, 2010, 05:23 PM

Hello friends! Just dropping by. I can't understand why some old churches evethough the parish can afford to restore or repaint it are being left to look old and deteriorating. Take for example the churches south of Cebu like Carcar (for sure that isnt a poor parish). The walls look so dirty and the hues uneven. Is it a "no no" in this so called heritage conservation to repaint an old wall? I have seen several mission churches and even older than what we have in other countries yet they are as clean and fresh as if they were built yesterday. I bet most of those have fresh coats yet they managed to maintain the old world charm. St. Peter's Basilica was "refreshed" for Jubillee 2000 and the Forbidden City for Olympics 2008. And would our ancestors not be happy to see the homes and churches they have loved so much as clean and beautiful as then? Our ancestor are "maarte" and classy based on the legacy they left us. Seeing the state of our old churches would surely raise their eyebrows.

Happy Easter!

Repainting a heritage church is actually allowed for as long as the correct material is used. Unfortunately for the Philippines, such materials are very expensive and are almost always imported.

Take the ceiling paintings of Sibonga and Dalaguete, for example.

Repainting on damaged portions, those where paint has peeled off, or even those planks that need to be replaced because of rot (and hence, need to be repainted) is actually allowed. But there are techniques and processes that need to be observed.

I agree with you, many churches in Cebu need a lot of cleaning. But care must be taken to ensure that this will not damage the integrity and heritage value of the churches.

Unfortunately, some priests just go ahead and repaint using enamel. That is a no-no.

And then they put up electronic boards to keep up with the technology of the times. hahaha...

now that is really being funny.

archaeologue

April 6th, 2010, 05:23 PM

wildfrangipani

April 7th, 2010, 11:50 AM

you seem to associate cleanliness and freshness with paint. what's your favorite brand of make up, i mean, paint, by the way?

dear, im using MAC and Clinique. How about you? Still pastes of lead, chalk, or flour or blood drops like that of the middle ages? Pace!

wildfrangipani

April 7th, 2010, 11:50 AM

wildfrangipani

April 7th, 2010, 01:29 PM

Repainting a heritage church is actually allowed for as long as the correct material is used. Unfortunately for the Philippines, such materials are very expensive and are almost always imported.

Take the ceiling paintings of Sibonga and Dalaguete, for example.

Repainting on damaged portions, those where paint has peeled off, or even those planks that need to be replaced because of rot (and hence, need to be repainted) is actually allowed. But there are techniques and processes that need to be observed.

I agree with you, many churches in Cebu need a lot of cleaning. But care must be taken to ensure that this will not damage the integrity and heritage value of the churches.

Unfortunately, some priests just go ahead and repaint using enamel. That is a no-no.

And then they put up electronic boards to keep up with the technology of the times. hahaha...

now that is really being funny.

Thanks for clearing things out Mr. Archaeologue, because I really am not convinced that there is no such thing as "so called heritage conservation to repaint"

Is changing the plaster on the wall a part of heritage conservation? A friend of mine happens to have friends from the Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land brought to the PI some scraped plaster from the walls of churches like that of the Cave of the Nativity and Holy Sepulcher. He told me that the plasters were being scraped and replaced. He used those scraped plasters for their family's prayer room in order to have a holy landish touch. I have noticed that the Magellan's Cross' plaster were scraped and never replaced, is this a restoration gone wrong?

wildfrangipani

April 7th, 2010, 01:29 PM

sanvalente

April 7th, 2010, 03:03 PM

Hmmmn… quite interesting.

1. a simple error in putting the quotation mark where it belongs getting misinterpreted. It should read like this: ... no such thing as "so called” heritage conservation to repaint...
take note that the words “so called” are underlined. It was supposed to be answer to the question: Is it a "no no" in this so called heritage conservation to repaint an old wall? The emphasis is the “so called” as it might connote a negative practice in conservation.
Negative plus negative is positive, therefore, I am not saying that we cannot repaint.

2. "... let us all remember that being an advocate is also educating everybody including the priests assigned to that particular church..” My second sentence is of course related to the first – which is the premise. Meaning, there is a need for everybody to be educated on the basics of heritage conservation. It is noted, though, that the heritage conservation practitioners sometimes are not in agreement among themselves. Maybe that’s why there’s the Venice and Burra Charters and some preservation guides in order to “standardize”. Repainting it with bright red colors may be pleasing to a particular culture like the Chinese. Who knows, if China will conquer Greece in the future they might paint the Parthenon red. Understandably, tagging oneself as miseducated is a result of misinterpretation of the premise.

3. “food or paint” should be taken figuratively. We all know there are both rich and poor priests. The sentence of course is taken from the viewpoint of a poor parish. As such, the intention is purely the matter of prioritizing the usage of funds. Lucky for the socialist states and other rich countries in Europe whose leaders are heritage advocates because they can easily fund the project, but not quite for the poor countries whose conservation programs are ready and yet do not have the funds.

Taking it as a whole, it is apparent that the Philippines needs a strong political will as far as heritage conservation is concerned. The Heritage Bill is still pending until now due to some provisions which are debatable and yet advocates are clamoring for its passage. What is left for us is to personally share whatever small resources we can afford and whatever education we can get on heritage conservation. This ends the issue.

sanvalente

April 7th, 2010, 03:03 PM

wildfrangipani

April 7th, 2010, 04:00 PM

^^
Thank you! (smiling and waving). :)

wildfrangipani

April 7th, 2010, 04:00 PM

^^
Thank you! (smiling and waving). :)

LordCarnal

April 7th, 2010, 06:11 PM

The electronic board is really out of place.

There are so many ways to make the Holy Mass accessible to everyone other than installing a piece of junk to a heritage structure.

Sometimes these people have this attitude of "ok na yan basta magamit lang" which at its worst results to a horrible mishmash of styles that leaves a confusing look.

Why can't they think outside the box??

Below: The electronic board and its support that looks like a tugwayan sa manok.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2706/4500422706_8227c1b2db_o.jpg

Below: The beautiful Graeco-Roman altar retablo. The lower half is, unfortunately, covered with a thin layer of concrete (refer to photo above). I think it can still be removed.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4499789637_9e046481c9_o.jpg

LordCarnal

April 7th, 2010, 06:11 PM

LordCarnal

April 7th, 2010, 06:30 PM

Church of Sta. Catalina de Alejandria

All I can say is that this stone church is really beautiful and I guess everyone has a stake in preserving it for generations to come.

Nice jud siya, the lay-out and the way it was built (rectangular and with three aisles like a Roman basilica), the materials used (finely cut stones as opposed to crudely hewn ones), etc. Everywhere you go there is harmony and one can say that this house of worship was really carefully designed, planned, and built.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4499788619_c66a4eaffd_o.jpg

Below: The interiors

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2798/4499789217_cc71a55b6e_o.jpg

Below: A view of the collateral aisle. Note the huge piers and the arches.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4500423262_7b4a2b6fab_o.jpg

LordCarnal

April 7th, 2010, 06:30 PM

archaeologue

April 8th, 2010, 02:09 AM

Below: The electronic board and its support that looks like a tugwayan sa manok.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2706/4500422706_8227c1b2db_o.jpg

this picture should be enough to convince anyone on heritage watch who thinks that putting electronic boards is correct because it is a sign that one is up-to-date with modern technology.

i wonder if the priest will also advertise on this board first before he will put other new technologies on this church in order to keep it "up to date" with the modern times!!!! tsk tsk tsk!

:bash:

move with the times? kamo na lang...see how incompatible this whole board is to its surroundings and if you still can't, then, as they say in Cebuano, "wa na tay mahems nimo!"

archaeologue

April 8th, 2010, 02:09 AM

Animo

April 8th, 2010, 02:12 AM

^^ Ma-o bitao. Bati kaayo tanawon! Piste na lang! Ngano man daw ni gi-aprobahan sa mga nakapuyo diha? Gigamit unta ang kwarta sa pag-ayos sa sulod. :mad:

Animo

April 8th, 2010, 02:12 AM

^^ Ma-o bitao. Bati kaayo tanawon! Piste na lang! Ngano man daw ni gi-aprobahan sa mga nakapuyo diha? Gigamit unta ang kwarta sa pag-ayos sa sulod. :mad:

archaeologue

April 8th, 2010, 02:15 AM

Thanks for clearing things out Mr. Archaeologue, because I really am not convinced that there is no such thing as "so called heritage conservation to repaint"

Is changing the plaster on the wall a part of heritage conservation? A friend of mine happens to have friends from the Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land brought to the PI some scraped plaster from the walls of churches like that of the Cave of the Nativity and Holy Sepulcher. He told me that the plasters were being scraped and replaced. He used those scraped plasters for their family's prayer room in order to have a holy landish touch. I have noticed that the Magellan's Cross' plaster were scraped and never replaced, is this a restoration gone wrong?

yes, cleaning these structures that are millennia in age is regularly done in Europe as in Israel.

when i returned to Paris in 2006, i noticed that the Notre Dame Cathedral had been brighter---the dark soot from vehicle emissions that i saw w in 1998 had just been removed by brushing. in fact there was still some cleaning going on inside.

one thing i did not see in the churches i returned to in Paris was an electronic board! hahaha...whoever thinks this is good because it keeps up with technology should go to Paris and then Cologne and, hey, also the churches in The Netherlands.

and, if you go to Boljoon you will find the belfry there has just be replastered and looks quite clean and new---which made some people a bit uneasy because it contrasts sharply with the old facade of the church nearby. but hey the restoration work still continues there and at the back of the convent you wll find a lot of replastering of walls.

yes, at museo sugbo also, the prison building assigned to the National Historical Institute for its musuem was cleaned and replastered with a thin coat of lime mortar. this is allowed as long as the materials and the process follow heritage principles.

archaeologue

April 8th, 2010, 02:15 AM

lionel messi

April 8th, 2010, 04:31 AM

dear, im using MAC and Clinique. How about you? Still pastes of lead, chalk, or flour or blood drops like that of the middle ages? Pace!

omg! how did you know? divine wisdom has worked its magic on you. but i do use the pastes. on corpses. you see, i'm an embalmer from hell. want a sample?

lionel messi

April 8th, 2010, 04:31 AM

lionel messi

April 8th, 2010, 04:39 AM

lionel messi

April 8th, 2010, 04:39 AM

LordCarnal

April 8th, 2010, 12:01 PM

^^

@Animo
@Lionelmessi

There's something more uglier than that. I just forgot to take a photo of it. It's right behind the Cristo Rey statue in front of the church.

.:.

LordCarnal

April 8th, 2010, 12:01 PM

^^

@Animo
@Lionelmessi

There's something more uglier than that. I just forgot to take a photo of it. It's right behind the Cristo Rey statue in front of the church.

.:.

LordCarnal

April 8th, 2010, 12:07 PM

By the way Carcar church was featured in Agua Bendita. The setting was pre-Vatican II and there was this priest who was performing the tridentine mass..

Nice kayo tan-awn hehehe..

LordCarnal

April 8th, 2010, 12:07 PM

By the way Carcar church was featured in Agua Bendita. The setting was pre-Vatican II and there was this priest who was performing the tridentine mass..

Nice kayo tan-awn hehehe..

sanvalente

April 8th, 2010, 02:17 PM

@LordCarnal

I don't have the photo of Redemptorist Church, you may want to visit it
and take pix. the electronic billboard does down easily when there is a need
for the churchgoers to read it, otherwise it goes back folded. :)

sanvalente

April 8th, 2010, 02:17 PM

archaeologue

April 8th, 2010, 02:39 PM

my, that is ugly.

nah, daghan na tang close minded ani...

here's rubbing it in: welcome to the club of the close-minded! :banana:

let me drink to that! :cheers:

archaeologue

April 8th, 2010, 02:39 PM

my, that is ugly.

nah, daghan na tang close minded ani...

here's rubbing it in: welcome to the club of the close-minded! :banana:

let me drink to that! :cheers:

Ka_Bino

April 8th, 2010, 03:36 PM

Ka_Bino

April 8th, 2010, 03:36 PM

Wolfranz

April 8th, 2010, 05:06 PM

Wolfranz

April 8th, 2010, 05:06 PM

Wolfranz

April 8th, 2010, 05:13 PM

Church of Sta. Catalina de Alejandria
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4500423262_7b4a2b6fab_o.jpg

Sir, I'm just wondering, is the distressed/ faux marble-esque finish of the piers the original finish?

Wolfranz

April 8th, 2010, 05:13 PM

archaeologue

April 8th, 2010, 06:47 PM

Sir, I'm just wondering, is the distressed/ faux marble-esque finish of the piers the original finish?

this really needs cleaning and repainting, if not replastering. but i don't think that is the priority of the priest right now.

archaeologue

April 8th, 2010, 06:47 PM

archaeologue

April 8th, 2010, 06:49 PM

Who ever you are, your out of order, worst out of your mind. Calling the Cebu's if not the Philippine's well respected archeologist a close minded is unthinkable.

Being a closed minded can produce a Superb Museum, Edit great books, chair a University Department, reconstruct the lost story of pre-hispanic Cebu..

Then by all means Am Closing my mind too

ayaw pod ana, Ka Bino, oi...thanks for the flattery...i'm cebu's well-respected, as you said, kay wa may lain hahahah!!!! :banana:

archaeologue

April 8th, 2010, 06:49 PM

Wolfranz

April 8th, 2010, 06:54 PM

this really needs cleaning and repainting, if not replastering. but i don't think that is the priority of the priest right now.

Maybe his priorities are the subwoofers and whatnots to complement the scoreboard.. tsk tsk tsk

Wolfranz

April 8th, 2010, 06:54 PM

LordCarnal

April 8th, 2010, 07:19 PM

A Romance with Tombstones

A glimpse at some of the tombstones inside the Sta. Catalina de Alejandria Church in Carcar. So far I have documented six marble tombstone makers who have etched their mark all the way inside the church namely:

1.) Oriol & Co. (Manila);
2.) Padre de Jesus e Hijo (Hidalgo);
3.) Garcia Velarde (Carriedo 343, Manila);
4.) A. Sarmiento Art Products (Gen. Luna St., Carcar);
5.) P. Gomez; and
6.) Dante Guidetti (Mabini, Cebu).

Some tombstones have very obscure markings while the rest of the tombstones did not have the mark of the maker .

So far, the most popular tombstone maker seems to have been Garcia Velarde as there were more than 3 that bore his mark.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4499784257_befab49704_o.jpg

The tombstones can be found almost anywhere inside the church but they're mostly concentrated at the piers and the collateral walls. Only a few can be found at the flooring.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4499781441_61006ac24c.jpg

Below: A marble tombstone by Garcia Velarde.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4500401884_1df839de48.jpg

Below: A tombstone from an unknown maker. Note the shallow floral motif carvings.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4500400122_2aae691a61.jpg

Below: A tombstone in one of the collateral walls.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4059/4500399448_f86ab2b7d8.jpg

Below: A tombstone made of wood (should it be tombwood? hehe), above it (partially shown in photo) is another marker but made of bronze.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2704/4499766833_d5916b30c9.jpg

Below: Another Garcia Velarde tombstone. Note the elegy in archaic Cebuano.

*** (Though some of the text have been scraped off but there are still visible lines that read "mauga ang mga luha, ang mga bulak malaya.....nga anha ra sa baba, apan ang paghandum....... sa dughan maoy lagmit mulungtad ug mapala.....")

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4503290594_1eb4265e38.jpg

Below: A marble tombstone made by Oriol & Co. of Manila (Some marble tombstones made by Oriol can be found at the Asociacion Benefica Española de Cebu, a plot for Spanish-Filipino families at the Carreta Cemetery). Note the lamentations at the tombstone below.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4059/4500401474_e9c936b889.jpg

LordCarnal

April 8th, 2010, 07:19 PM

archaeologue

April 9th, 2010, 04:16 AM

^^^^

wow! beautiful works of art in themselves.

the more tech-savvy "sign of the times" kind of priest will then add electronic "tombstones" on these columns, for rent per day or per year hahaah...what should they be called?

digital tomb boards?

LED's in different colors, anyone? red, green, blue, yellow! my god, how festive!!! and then the dedicatory poems and missives in sparkling motif!

:bash:

archaeologue

April 9th, 2010, 04:16 AM

Ka_Bino

April 9th, 2010, 12:25 PM

Oh Pagkatanglas sa mga pulong nga nahipatik, bisan sa paglabay sa panahon wala matibhangi ang iyang kanindot. Ang alampat sa pagtumpi-tumpi sa mga pulong hinukad gikan sa galamhan dili gayud mawad-an sa iyang katahum bisan pa sa pagpanglabay sa katuigan...

Abi gamita ang technolohiya sa paghubad sa akong tinagik nga mga pulong..

tan awon nato kung magpabilin paba ang iyang katam-is...

P S K kanimo higala :lol:

Ka_Bino

April 9th, 2010, 12:25 PM

Ka_Bino

April 9th, 2010, 12:32 PM

Once i was ask by my tourist in Carcar what does D O M means.

in jest i answered "Died on Malnutrition":banana::lol:

Here are some Latin words on tombstone i got from Mr. Google

ad patres - "To the fathers", dead or gone away.

anno aetatis suae (A.A.S.) - In the year of her/his age

anno Domini (A.D.) - In the year of our Lord

annos vixit (a.v.) - He/she lived [so many years]

beatae memoriae (B.M.) - Of blessed memory

Dei gratia - By the grace of God

Dei gratias - Thanks be to God

Deo, Optimo, Maximo (D.O.M.) - To God, the Best, the Greatest (motto of the Benedictine order)

Domino, Optimo, Maximo (D.O.M.) - The Lord, the Best, the Greatest.(alternate motto)

Gloria in Excelsis Deo - Glory be to God, the Most High

hic iacet or hic jacet (H.I.) - Here lies (Ancient Latin has no letter "J": the letter was added later)

hic iacet sepultus (H.I.S.) - Here lies buried

hic sepultus (H.S.) - Here is buried

Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum (I.N.R.I.) - Jesus Christ, King of the Jews (usually appears posted at the top of a cross, in commemoration of the Roman mocking of Christ)

in hoc salus (I.H.S.) - There is safety in this. This is one of three interpretations of the letters IHS which often appear on Roman Catholic tombstones and monuments. Some say that this was used to mark the way to secret Christian masses in the Roman catacombs. The letters are sometimes superimposed on each other, forming an inscription that looks like this: |$|

in hoc signo spes mea (I.H.S.) - In this sign (the cross of Christ) is my hope

in hoc signos vinces (I.H.S.) - By this sign you will conquer. The Emperor Constantine is said to have seen a firey cross in the sky before the Battle of Milvan Bridge. (312 A.D.) He made his men paint crosses on their shields. They won. Constantine ceased persecution of Christians and became one on his deathbed.

laus Deo - Praise be to God

memento mori - "Remember you must die". The phrase is also used for the small souvenirs that are sometimes handed out at funerals.

obiit (ob.) - He/she died

requiescat in pace (R.I.P.) - May he/she rest in peace

requiescant in pace (R.I.P.) - May they rest in peace

requiescit in pace (R.I.P.) - He/she rest in peace

Verbi Dei Minister (V.D.M.) - Minister of the Word of God

Source: Tombstone Latin by Joel GAzis-SAx (http://www.alsirat.com/symbols/latin.html)

Ka_Bino

April 9th, 2010, 12:32 PM