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Ang_Bantayanon

February 12th, 2011, 12:53 AM

Cebu or Iloilo - which is which?
TRADE FORUM By Chris Malazarte
(The Freeman) Updated February 12, 2011 12:00 AM

I realize how delicate it is to wake the regional sensitivities of people. A popular fanpage in Facebook said to be owned by ABS-CBN, was cluttered with what appears to be “a war of claims” by Ilonggos and Cebuanos who strongly argued that they are the rightful owners of the title “The Queen City of the South.” As I was reading both sides, the discussion became heated and unhealthy to the point of insinuating that the other was “uneducated.” The fanpage’s wall was also littered with hyperlinked pictures related to the achievements and developments of their respective provinces to support their claim.

Whoever started it all, I don’t know. I have many friends in Iloilo and I know them to be mostly less argumentative. But from the posts I read, I noticed a more assertive breed. Very passionate about their claims and aggressive to march forward with what they think. They had this big red logo that had a crown above the “Iloilo the Queen City of the South.” I noticed too that the logo was used by its supporters as their Facebook profile picture to identify that they are part of that, I should say, “movement.” The Cebuanos on the other hand, were behaved but argumentative – typical of his competitive nature. They pointed that Cebu is the Queen City of the South on the basis of her being the most progressive city outside Manila.

If I were to fairly look at the issue, there is what we call in law as de jure and de facto government. The former, being vested by legal title while the latter being vested by virtue of “fact” or common perception (not necessarily legally sanctioned). I would like to compare the claims of the Ilonggos as a right by virtue of legal title. History has it that Iloilo was granted the title the Queen’s City of the South NOT the Queen City of the South for her loyalty to the Queen of Spain during the time of the Spanish resistance. From then on, the Ilonggos took it to mean that Iloilo was really the Queen City of the South as she was the most economically progressive region outside the National Capital until the decline of the sugar industry after the post war era. The title was immediately “transferred” to Cebu as it was no longer inappropriate for Iloilo to assume the title because of her ailing economy.

Thus, Cebu’s title as the Queen City of the South may have been acquired de facto by popular attribution from business and government leaders and by the Filipinos themselves who recognize Cebu’s well-deserved prosperity despite the fact that Cebu was less favored by most presidents for of its strong sense of independence.

But a friend of mine joked that none of them deserves to make such claims as both provinces do not really come from the south but from the central Philippines. Davao, Zamboanga or Cagayan should be the rightful parties to fight it out among them than between Iloilo and Cebu.

But why do we have to argue or be indifferent with our neighbors for a mere title? I don’t get it. A title is nothing but a low self-esteem on steroids hidden usually in post nominal letters like Ph. D or MBA or some designation of office or royalty that is no different from such other titles as barangay tanod, metro aide, or butler. Titles have been used a means to justify our ego-tripping and self-admiration sprit-- an inch closer to a personality disorder like narcissism. Titles or names do not make a person. It is the person who makes a name for himself. So as countries or places. Iloilo can always assert herself to make such claims, however, it is a gargantuan task to retake the lost honor and perception now that the public is already accustomed to the notion that Cebu rightfully deserves it better than Iloilo. I suggest that they abandon the idea and move on with life.

Cebu on the other hand should preserve that borrowed trust or might as well make no big deal about it. Cebu does not need a title to be noticed. The world has already noticed Cebu for what she is and for what she has to offer. Investors, tourists and leaders look up to Cebu not only as an economic hub but a destination to enjoy life.

“The Island in the Pacific” seems to be a perfect fit for what truly Cebu is.

Cebu doesn't need a title!
Wala man siguro ni apil og bayuti contest ang Cebu, di ba? :nuts:

Ang_Bantayanon

February 12th, 2011, 12:53 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 12th, 2011, 02:26 AM

Cebu doesn't need a title!
Wala man siguro ni apil og bayuti contest ang Cebu, di ba? :nuts:

Bwahaha!:nuts:

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 12th, 2011, 02:26 AM

Cebu doesn't need a title!
Wala man siguro ni apil og bayuti contest ang Cebu, di ba? :nuts:

Bwahaha!:nuts:

Panzer_18

February 13th, 2011, 05:01 AM

^^:lol::lol:...

Panzer_18

February 13th, 2011, 05:01 AM

^^:lol::lol:...

Wolfranz

February 13th, 2011, 07:12 AM

:lol::lol::lol:

Titles are not important for Cebuanos. We work hard for our own progress, that is always our end goal, dili ang magkatitle/monicker. That is so cheap and tacky.

Wolfranz

February 13th, 2011, 07:12 AM

:lol::lol::lol:

Titles are not important for Cebuanos. We work hard for our own progress, that is always our end goal, dili ang magkatitle/monicker. That is so cheap and tacky.

Parchie

February 13th, 2011, 01:19 PM

:lol::lol::lol:

Titles are not important for Cebuanos. We work hard for our own progress, that is always our end goal, dili ang magkatitle/monicker. That is so cheap and tacky.

I agree on the above-stated statements! Let them have all the titles. We will continue to do what's best for us and live to the fullest in our beloved Cebu.

Parchie

February 13th, 2011, 01:19 PM

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February 16th, 2011, 02:16 PM

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harveharve

February 16th, 2011, 02:16 PM

habagatcentral1

February 18th, 2011, 08:51 PM

I got a question: Why is Fuerza Real de San Pedro de Cebú built to shape like a triangle (three-sides) instead of the usual four to five-side fortress?

habagatcentral1

February 18th, 2011, 08:51 PM

I got a question: Why is Fuerza Real de San Pedro de Cebú built to shape like a triangle (three-sides) instead of the usual four to five-side fortress?

habagatcentral1

February 18th, 2011, 09:00 PM

Cebu or Iloilo - which is which?
TRADE FORUM By Chris Malazarte
(The Freeman) Updated February 12, 2011 12:00 AM

:rofl:

Haysusme! :lol: :doh: For the past I have been passionate also about this, but as history and time has told, times do change.

My comment: kebs! Bahala mu da kon unsay resulta ana! LOL! I'll be happy with my life and lets be merry. To be honest, there are a lot of things that Philippine local historiography and anthropology has to mind on--and I mean a a lot, rather than this childish squabble of titles. Although a historical and cultural interest itself, its rather being immature and urgh, palengkera cheap. I opted not to join both in this war, even though I myself an Ilonggo and Ilocano in ethnicity. It doesn't make me less of an Ilonggo nor less of a Visayan/Filipino if I don't like to join their bickering.

And regarding that website, that was "Choose Philippines," a local viral program for ABS-CBN Regional Network Group to showcase the supposedly beauty of the countryside--although unfortunately the worse has surfaced.

And thanks, I'll repost this in Iloilo main thread and see what will be their reaction, hehehe!!! :colgate:

Basta ako, keber na lang. I'm off to Mexico! :D

habagatcentral1

February 18th, 2011, 09:00 PM

Parchie

February 19th, 2011, 06:04 AM

I got a question: Why is Fuerza Real de San Pedro de Cebú built to shape like a triangle (three-sides) instead of the usual four to five-side fortress?

If I remember my MS subject on defense strategies, triangular defense systems work well with the old warfare as it easier to defend a fort because you can station a gunnery port at each apex and can cover any angle of invasion or attack. In lay man's words, defending gunners will have a wider firing angle,left to right, approximately (360 deg- 60 deg) 300 degrees!

Other forumers who had taken advanced military science (MS) courses can prove me right, I guess.

Parchie

February 19th, 2011, 06:04 AM

habagatcentral1

February 19th, 2011, 06:10 AM

habagatcentral1

February 19th, 2011, 06:10 AM

flesh_is_weak

February 19th, 2011, 06:13 AM

^^oh come on, you obviously know the answer :D

flesh_is_weak

February 19th, 2011, 06:13 AM

^^oh come on, you obviously know the answer :D

habagatcentral1

February 19th, 2011, 06:39 AM

habagatcentral1

February 19th, 2011, 06:39 AM

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February 19th, 2011, 06:49 AM

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my dream is for the city govt to demolish those warehouses near MCWD/city hall and replace them with clusters of colonial type of buildings (above, probably 2 stories each), then move the different government agencies scattered around the city here, like Comelec, PRC, NBI, DOLE, LTO, NSO, DFA etc... like an all-in-one government center.

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ivanc

February 19th, 2011, 06:49 AM

Wolfranz

February 19th, 2011, 02:09 PM

^^those warehouses are of pre-war vintage and they hold quite a history in themselves.
IMHO, there's no need for razing and replacing them; the architectural idiom of those buildings
is very American colonial (the quoins, for example), all that is needed to do is to enhance their
appearance and retrofit them for the purpose.

But then again that's your dream. It's like opinion dili pwede pagbut-an. hehe

Wolfranz

February 19th, 2011, 02:09 PM

archaeologue

February 19th, 2011, 02:31 PM

^^ Yeah they transferred to Manila, but they could've at least fortified the settlement right? Well at least for the Santisimo Nombre side. I mean I believe Oslob has an old walled town just a few yards from the sea, why can't the centro?

this a very interesting observation. and i think the reason is that the fort sufficed for the defense of the pueblo of cebu. note that the fortifications of oslob and those of Argao and Catmondaan, for example, were built almost around the time of the rebuilding of Fort San Pedro into a stone fort or even later. the walls of the fort, its ramparts, are very much different from those of the "walled" towns like boljoon, oslob, argao etc.

perhaps Cebu "city" was at this time already properly defended by the fort, with all its cannons and a company of Spanish soldiers in it etc. while the isolated towns, with very little artillery, ammunition and with only a Spanish friar and perhaps a handful of soldiers with arquebuses, needed more protection in terms of a defensive perimeter wall.

archaeologue

February 19th, 2011, 02:31 PM

habagatcentral1

February 19th, 2011, 02:45 PM

habagatcentral1

February 19th, 2011, 02:45 PM

Wolfranz

February 19th, 2011, 02:49 PM

^^because all along they though that Mexico was doing a good job administering us.

Wolfranz

February 19th, 2011, 02:49 PM

^^because all along they though that Mexico was doing a good job administering us.

archaeologue

February 19th, 2011, 02:50 PM

my dream is for the city govt to demolish those warehouses near MCWD/city hall and replace them with clusters of colonial type of buildings (above, probably 2 stories each), then move the different government agencies scattered around the city here, like Comelec, PRC, NBI, DOLE, LTO, NSO, DFA etc... like an all-in-one government center.

for these proposed bldgs, although they may have colonial exterior, basic modern facilities like tel co, air con would still be implemented.

oi, heaven forbid. these are colonial buildings. they were there before WW II and were built during the American colonial period.

one must not put structures that are not historically valid or authentic. pareho ra na sa mga cladding sa cathedral museum that were never part of its history. those old posts that were covered over by columns reminiscent of 1920s buildings---something that was never there in the cathedral convent in the first place! therein lies the irony of so-called selective authenticity. or should i say selective memory? or selective conservation?

you should read the Therese Tumulak Crisostomo's thesis at the Hong Kong University (also posted in previous threads) on the cebu waterfront rehabilitation project that was proposed by the group of architects Joy Onozawa and Sheila Conejos during the time of Mayor Alvin Garcia and see the value of these warehouses.

this is the link where you can download her work:

http://repository.hku.hk/handle/10722/37953

these warehouses are an integral part of the fast-paced progress of Cebu by the 1930s. these used to be warehouses storing abaca fiber, tobacco, sugar and copra trading companies like pacific commercial, mcleod & co., procter and gamble, etc. etc.

if the aboitizes are extremely wealthy today they have these warehouses to thank for.

ergo, why replace an important part of Cebu's history with something that was never there in the first place?

one of these can be converted into a cultural center, another into an art museum (with elegant high ceiling na daan), a maritime museum, a performing arts center, and even a mini-mall selling traditional crafts and delicacies.

archaeologue

February 19th, 2011, 02:50 PM

archaeologue

February 19th, 2011, 02:57 PM

^^ Was Oslob "walled-town" a pre-Bermejo era construction? We got a lot of fuerza reales in the Visayas yet it was observed that most pueblos lay unprotected except for several bantayans or watch towers. In our case in Panay, we don't have that system that Bermejo implemented, perhaps because of the geography of the coast (the whole southern coast was facing Sulu Sea) as compared to Cebu which runs south to north.

The Spaniards didn't invest so much with the infrastructure until Mexico was granted independence.

the walled towns like Oslob and Catmondaan most probably pre-date Bermejo (who arrived in 1802 in Cebu) by about 20 or 30 years. there is in fact a baluarte of the oslob fortification that carries a date of 1796 0r 1789. and i think the watchtower in front of Dalaguete Church carries a date in the 1700s (i think 1789 ?)

it is also wrong to say that the infrastructure of defenses were built only after mexico was granted independence (in 1821).

no, many watchtowers and fortress towns were there even before this date.
for how else would the natives have survived the onslaught of Moro raiders that began around the 1590s and ended only around the 1850s-70s?

moreover, one must never forget that colonial churches were in and of themselves built as sanctuaries and defensive structures.

archaeologue

February 19th, 2011, 02:57 PM

Parchie

February 19th, 2011, 04:41 PM

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no, many watchtowers and fortress towns were there even before this date.
for how else would the natives have survived the onslaught of Moro raiders that began around the 1590s and ended only around the 1850s-70s?

The First recorded Moro raid was in 1574. according to Medina Historia, a Brunei fleet of one-hundred galleys and one-hundred paraws, manned by 8,000 warriors, attacked May Nilad to requite Rajah Suleiman’s death but in time left after an evidential Spanish reinforcement from Iloilo. [Nichol]

For clarity as to the year when the Moro raids stopped, I cut-n-paste portion of my file re annals of Sulu Sultanate which mentioned specific dates with historical events:

1750 - Sultan Muiz led roaring raids against the Spanish settlements in the whole of Visayas [Ang mga Pilipino]. Brunei Sultan Omar Ali Saif ud-Dein similarly ordered attacks on Manila.
April 29,1750 - After being reinstated as Sultan by Malacanang, he (Sultan Alim ud-Din) was arrested on his way back to Jolo under the orders of governor-geneal Zacarias.
July 12,1751 - Sultan Alim ud-Din was returned to the care of the Zamboanga governor after fifteen years of exile in Fort Santiago.
December 21,1751 - A furious Manila governor-general F. Valdez y Tamon issued a decree that ordered: (1) The extermination of all Moros with fire and sword; (2) The destruction of all their crops and desolate their lands; (3) Make Moro captives; (4) Recover Christian slaves; and (5) Exempt all Christians from payment of any taxes and tributes while engaged in the termination of these Moros.
1754 - Three Jesuit priests led by Fray Jose Ducos engaged themselves in an evangelistic mission to Jolo and established a Catholic congregation. For the first time Ajihad was exercised by the Sultan of Mindanaw upon the Maestro de Campo of Real Fuerza del Pilar de Zaragosa in Zamboanga for seizing his goods without due notice.
March 3,1754 - The Manila Spanish government signed another peace treaty with Sultan Muiz ud-Din.
1755 - A Manila Spanish contingent of 1,900 men led by captains Simeon Valdez and Pedro Gastambide was sent to Jolo to avenge for the raids carried out by self-proclaimed Sultan Muiz ud-Din.
1761 - Alexander Dalrymple, Madras representative of the British East India Company, concluded an agreement with self-proclaimed Sultan Muiz ud-Din that permitted him to set up a trading post in Balembangan island in Kudat North Borneo, a territory of the Sultanate of Sulu
H.R.H. Sultan Alim ud-Din (Amir ul-Mumimin) (1763-1773, 2nd Ascension)
1763 - Dalrymple maliciously renamed Balembangan island and hoisted the British flag to the ire of Sultan Muiz ud-Din. Madras British East India Company sent another officer, John Herbert, to build a settlement in Balembangan but which plan was abandoned in 1775. British soldiers invaded and successfully captured May Nilad. The British restored an exiled Sulu Sultan Alim ud-Din I to his throne in Jolo. As gesture of gratitude, Sulu Sultan Alim ud-Din I leased his dominion in North Borneo to a British company for exclusive trading privileges and signed a mutual defense pact with the British Crown that included the establishment of a military base in Sulu
1769 - Sultan Alim ud-Din I ordered the continuous foraging of Visayas and Luzon, even raiding Malate, just outside of Spanish Intramuros, and carried off thousands of captives to be sold in the slave markets of Batavia (Indonesia of old), Malaka (Malacca, Malaysia), and Tamasek(Singapore of old)
1771 - Sultan Alim ud-Din declared a jihad against the Manila Spaniards for having unlawfully detained him on his way home from May Nilad at Real Fuerza del Pilar de Zaragosa in Zamboanga
H.R.H. Sultan Isirail (1773-1778)
1775 - Datu Tating in twenty vessels with 4,000 pirates assaulted the British military base in Sulu and carted away booty amounting to US$1,000,000 including an enormous supply of war materials
H.R.H. Sultans Alim ud-Din II, Sarap ud-Din & Alim ud-Din III (1778-1808)
1796 - Spanish admiral Jose Alava was sent from Madrid with the most powerful naval fleet to combat Moro piratical attacks in the Sulu Sea
1798 - Real Fuerza del Pilar de Zaragosa in Ciudad deZamboanga was bombarded by the British navy coming from its military base in Sulu
1803 - Lord Arthur Wellesley, governor-general of India, ordered Robert J. Fraquhar to turn Balembangan island in Borneo into a military station, however, for lack of logistics, abandoned it in November 1805
1805 - The British government withdrew her military base in Sulu
H.R.H. Sultans Ali ud-Din & Shakir ul-Lah (1808-1823)
1821 - A Las Islas Felipinas@ was now directly administered from Madrid after Mexico won her independence from Spain
H.R.H. Sultan Jamal ul-Kiram I (1823-1844)
1824 - Spanish captain Alonso Morgado commanded frigate A Marina Sutil@ that fought the Moro pirates in the Sulu Sea. The Manila Spanish treasury decreed that all Islas Felipinas provinces, excepting Mindanaw and Sulu, be required to pay ADonativo deZamboanga, an annual tax-payment of one ganta of rice or one half real
1831 - Ciudad de Zamboanga was declared a free port

To make the story short, the Moro raids stopped at around 1769. But there were still wars fought in Sulu between the British and Datu Tating fought around the British military base in Sulu (1775) and between the Moros and Spanish in 1796, when Spanish admiral Jose Alava was sent from Madrid with the most powerful naval fleet to combat Moro piratical attacks in the Sulu Sea.

Parchie

February 19th, 2011, 04:41 PM

archaeologue

February 20th, 2011, 02:44 AM

^^

I do not know where your source is but it is probably referring to raids on and around Zamboanga or the effectivity of Fort Pilar.

If you read "The Sulu Zone 1768-1898", by Dr. James Francis Warren, the foremost expert on these raids and the role of Sulu as trading port, you will be surprised that slave raiding in the Visayas continued well into the 1870s.

on Chapter 8 Slave Raiding in Southeast Asia, 1830-1898, one will find on page 195, one of many examples, this line which is very telling:

"Despite the destruction of Balangingi and the Samal diaspora of 1848-51, slave-raiding continued in the Philipine archipelago for three more decades. As in the past, Samal marauders attacked smaller villages that lacked firearms in Tayabas and Albay provinces, but the greatest number of captives were taken from the coasts of Panay and Negros."

the source of this is on the footnotes at the back of the book:

GCG (or Governor Captain-General) to Senor Ministro del Consejo, 20 July 1861, AHN (or Archivo Historical Nacional ), Ultramar 5184;

and also:

Loney (most probably nicholas loney) to Farren, 10 July 1861, PRO (for Public Records Office, London), FO (for Foreign Office, London), 72/1017.

These are official records.

And there are many, many more facts in the book, including the age ranges of those who were brought to Sulu to be sold as slaves, there is even a chapter on the fate of the slaves, most of them miserable but at least one of them becoming a favorite of the Sulu court.

as to the raids in Mindanao itself, consider p. 203, for example, where you have this line on paragraph 2:

"...After 1870 most of the people brought by slave mongerers to Sulu were tribal people from the hill regions of eastern Mindanao."

and if you go to the south of Cebu, you will hear from old folks about the Battle of Sumilon Island in 1813, which was reported by Fray Fabian Rodriguez, OSA in an article published in the 1920s in Bag-ong Kusog. the battle speaks of the victorious forces organized by Fray Julian Bermejo (builder of Oslob and Boljoon conventos as well as the line of watchtowers from Sibonga to Santander) against a Datu Orandin (some say Guranding or Goranding) and his fleet of Moro [I]pangkos or pancos off the coast of Sumilon Island, just across Oslob.

see this source:
Fabian Rodriguez, OSA. “Quien fue el que construyo la linea de “Kottas” desde Sbonga a Tañong? El P. Julian Bermejo,” in Nueva Fuerza,” Dec. 3, 1921, pp. 16-19.

you can also read Bermejo's letters to Gov-Gen. Pascual Enrile around the 1830s about the former's concerns on the safety of the natives and his requests for more ammunition against the Moro raiders. These letters were reproduced in toto in this article:

Policarpio Hernandez, O.S.A. "Cartas de Fr. Julián Bermejo O.S.A., al Gobernador General de Filipinas Dn. Pascual Enrile,” Archivo Agustiniano Vol. LXXXVI, Num. 204-2002.

archaeologue

February 20th, 2011, 02:44 AM

Parchie

February 20th, 2011, 07:55 AM

Parchie

February 20th, 2011, 07:55 AM

archaeologue

February 20th, 2011, 11:03 AM

^^ ^^ ^^

You are in a sense correct. The Moro raiders were Illanun or Iranun, people who came from around Lake Lanao, and therefore Maranao. The Suluhanons or Tausugs were never in a sense active in the actual raiding. A few of them did participate but only as supporting role in fleets of pancos that roamed the Visayan seas.

It was the dreadful Iranun who settled on Balangingi Island, off Basilan, that carried out the raids and sold the slaves to the Sulu Sultanate, which in turn, brought the slaves to the markets in Ternate.

According to Warren, the Iranun apparently came out of Lake Lanao following some natural disaster, perhaps a drought or volcanic explosion, which forced them to abandon their farms and move to the coasts, eventually getting involved in the slave trade.

archaeologue

February 20th, 2011, 11:03 AM

LordCarnal

February 20th, 2011, 01:21 PM

I got a question: Why is Fuerza Real de San Pedro de Cebú built to shape like a triangle (three-sides) instead of the usual four to five-side fortress?

Bernie, basing on an 1873 map of Cebu City by Don Domingo de Escondrillas, the reason perhaps why the Fuerza Real de San Pedro de Cebú is triangular is because the area where it stands right now was originally somewhat triangular just like in a promontory.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/escondrillas_map_cebu1873.jpg

LordCarnal

February 20th, 2011, 01:21 PM

LordCarnal

February 20th, 2011, 01:31 PM

^^ Fort Santiago is also a bit triangular although the whole Intramuros itself is like a fortress but Cebu's triangular fort is something..

...and oh another thing, why wasn't the Spaniards keen also in making a walled city in Santisimo Nombre de Jesus?

Perhaps the reason Bernie why Cebu City was not walled was because it was no longer the capital of the islands, hehe.

Legazpi transferred the capital to Manila and economic-wise I think it's not worth to fortify during the 16th and 17th centuries "a somewhat bare settlement" that has no economic and political importance then. I'm pretty sure Cebu City was "bare" during that time, hehehe.. And I think when Cebu grew in the late 19th and 20th centuries, fortifying cities with stone walls was already a thing of the past due to the development of modern military warfare.

.:.

LordCarnal

February 20th, 2011, 01:31 PM

LordCarnal

February 20th, 2011, 01:36 PM

LordCarnal

February 20th, 2011, 01:36 PM

archaeologue

February 20th, 2011, 03:58 PM

Bernie, basing on an 1873 map of Cebu City by Don Domingo de Escondrillas, the reason perhaps why the Fuerza Real de San Pedro de Cebú is triangular is because the area where it stands right now was originally somewhat triangular just like in a promontory.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/escondrillas_map_cebu1873.jpg

I do not think this is the reason. It was not the terrain that dictated the shape of the fort. Its shape was so intended by Legazpi. I think the staking of this fort can be read in Chirino's 'Relacion de las Islas Filipinas' as well as Gaspar San Agustin's "Conquista de las Islas Filipinas". Legazpi chose the site for the fort. he did not look for one that would confine it into three sides. rather, he looked for one that would contain a three-sided fort.

besides, even if the shape were a tongue-like coast, you can still build a quadrilateral fort on it.

the best answer is that Legazpi wanted a three-sided fort for better defense: two facing the sea, and one the land. you only have three sides to defend, instead of four. and given your limited number of soldiers, this would have been the more logical thing to do.

There is another triangular fort in the Philippines, smaller than this one. This is Fort Antonio Abad in Malate (now contained inside the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas, behind the Metropolitan Museum). Unlike Fort San Pedro, this one is not sited on a tongue-like triangular coastal protruberance, although it also faces the sea, now reclaimed.

Maybe small forts are better defended if they are shaped like a triangle.

archaeologue

February 20th, 2011, 03:58 PM

archaeologue

February 20th, 2011, 06:41 PM

But there's one thing I have observed basing on the 1873 map of "Spanish" Cebu City.

As you can see, a river serves as a boundary to the north and to the west.

Where these rivers natural or man-made?

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/arnold_carl/escondrillas_map_cebu1873.jpg
...

These rivers are natural. One is the Estero de Parian and the other, the Guadalupe or Banawa river, i think.

According to one writer, these are the same ones that are on the map of "Zzubu" that Pigafetta made, thus making Zzubu look like a small island instead of a settlement bordered by two rivers that seemingly cut it off from the mainland.

archaeologue

February 20th, 2011, 06:41 PM

MatudNilaBaby

February 20th, 2011, 11:15 PM

These rivers are natural. One is the Estero de Parian and the other, the Guadalupe or Banawa river, i think.

According to one writer, these are the same ones that are on the map of "Zzubu" that Pigafetta made, thus making Zzubu look like a small island instead of a settlement bordered by two rivers that seemingly cut it off from the mainland.

maayo unta i restore nila nang mga rivers aron maagian para tourist ba parehas sa chicogo river nga mag architectural tour na sila around sa ilang city. nindot unta kaayo.

MatudNilaBaby

February 20th, 2011, 11:15 PM

gee

February 21st, 2011, 01:32 AM

maayo unta i restore nila nang mga rivers aron maagian para tourist ba parehas sa chicogo river nga mag architectural tour na sila around sa ilang city. nindot unta kaayo.

nindot na bay na nga ideya pero may pagkakuyaw kay parte sa estero de parian natabunan naman sa mga department stores sa colon. murag underground river ang dating. pero basin na didto nagtago kanang dagkong mga ilaga. :nuts::nuts:

gee

February 21st, 2011, 01:32 AM

archaeologue

February 21st, 2011, 01:55 AM

^^

or, better still, anha gitago ang sawa that brings luck to the department store owners? hahahaha....remember the robinson's 'urban legend' in uptown cebu?

archaeologue

February 21st, 2011, 01:55 AM

^^

or, better still, anha gitago ang sawa that brings luck to the department store owners? hahahaha....remember the robinson's 'urban legend' in uptown cebu?

tukog banog

February 21st, 2011, 03:54 AM

tukog banog

February 21st, 2011, 03:54 AM

Parchie

February 21st, 2011, 04:35 AM

So the parian estero starts somewhere at the Colon-Junquera junction and exits towards the Tabacalera (now COA) where tobacco must have been conveniently loaded on moored vessels nearby. I notice that there is an old stone bridge cutting across present day Zulueta St. for a waterway to/from Lopez Jaena St. near Casa Gorordo but is lost somewhere in between. I think this must have connected to the large water basin shown on the map.
Could be the 'moat' described in the Jesuit House rental agreement of the Villa property?
Suwayi kuno, ug kinsa'y maka lugar ninyo ug su'd sa Cebuano Studies sa USC kay sauna, naka kupya ko diha ug karaan nga mapa sa Cebu City nga naa pa didto ang "Kalubihan Creek". Lahi sab 'to'ng Guadalupe River ana kay dako man to siya. If my memory serves me well, the creek is supposed to come from uphill Sambag, thru the Urgello area, across the P. del Rosario Ext (J. Alcantara), Leon Kilat, then turn parallel with the Old Colon St. nga naa nay gapatong nga mga dagko nga buildings, sumpay ngadto sa Estero de Parian! I hope somebody validates this.

Parchie

February 21st, 2011, 04:35 AM

habagatcentral1

February 21st, 2011, 04:41 AM

Thanks Sir Joebers, Arnold and the rest, for the insights about the shape of the Fuerza and the defenses.

^^

or, better still, anha gitago ang sawa that brings luck to the department store owners? hahahaha....remember the robinson's 'urban legend' in uptown cebu?

Oh, for I thought it was only in Robinsons Galleria in Manila, ang kanang kay Alice Dixon. :lol:

Anyway, is there an explanation why Manalili is frequently flooded. Would it be the design of the sewerage system, clogged drainages or was it something like a swamp or a water place back then?

habagatcentral1

February 21st, 2011, 04:41 AM

Parchie

February 21st, 2011, 04:56 AM

Anyway, is there an explanation why Manalili is frequently flooded. Would it be the design of the sewerage system, clogged drainages or was it something like a swamp or a water place back then?

From an engineering point of view, the city planners should construct large silting boxes at specific points along the drainage system/creeks for ease in cleaning solid/trash out from the effluent. Even along the drainage culverts along the streets. Anything heavier than water goes down the bottom of a stream while the water flows above. If these wastes go with the flow and eventually gets snagged under the cross bridge supports/piles, we will expect flooding/overflow. Better still, didn't the government already passed a law specifying treatment of all effluent prior to discharging to the sea? It could be late, but maybe we could play catch-up and hope things will get better. Just my honest observation.

Parchie

February 21st, 2011, 04:56 AM

densyo

February 21st, 2011, 09:14 AM

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/sites/default/files/images/logo/sunstar-cebu.png
Rafi’s Kabilin earns role model award
By Bernadette A. Parco
Monday, February 21, 2011

THE Ramon Aboitiz Foundation Inc. (Rafi) received a public relations award for its unique heritage awareness program that showcases Cebuano history, culture and tradition.

The Public Relations Society of the Philippines (PRSP) recognized the “Gabii sa Kabilin (Night of Heritage),” an annual program wherein museums in Cebu City open their doors to visitors until midnight.

Haidee Palapar, Rafi communications officer, said the program was given the “Anvil Award of Merit for public relations program—sustained basis: arts and culture/heritage/tourism.”

“The citation says, ‘for helping develop appreciation for local heritage with a cultural event that has grown into one of the biggest in Cebu,’” she said.

Annual

The Anvil Awards is done yearly by the PRSP in recognition of outstanding public relations programs and tools designed and implemented in the past year.

The 46th Anvil Awards “Gabi ng Parangal” was held last Friday at the EDSA Shangrila Hotel in Mandaluyong City.

The Cebuano cultural event is participated in by various Cebu City-based museums including Cebu Cathedral Museum, Casa Gorordo, Museo Sugbo, Yap-Sandiego Ancestral House, Basilica del Sto. Niño Museum and Fort San Pedro.

Program

Activities include a Sinulog dance usually performed by the popular Sandiego Dance Company, music, poetry and songs. Museum visitors have the option to join the tour on a tartanilla or a “walking tour” with guides discussing landmarks, famous people and historical events.

Palapar said the event, which has been organized by Rafi for the past five years, is “a role model for cultural-heritage programs.”

Rafi manages and maintains the Casa Go-rordo Museum, which showcases Spanish colonial lifestyle and architectural design.

Efforts

In a separate interview, Archdiocesan Commission on Cultural Heritage of the Church chairman Msgr. Carlito Pono said the award is equivalent to the recognition of local heritage conservation work. The commission manages the Cebu Cathedral Museum, which used to be the priests’ rectory.

“We were given recognition of efforts of different museums to enhance cultural heritage of the Church,” he told Sun.Star Cebu in a phone interview.

“We will not rest on our laurels. We will move to keep and maintain the merits of the award,” he added.

Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on February 22, 2011.

densyo

February 21st, 2011, 09:14 AM

archaeologue

February 21st, 2011, 10:21 AM

Thanks Sir Joebers, Arnold and the rest, for the insights about the shape of the Fuerza and the defenses.

Oh, for I thought it was only in Robinsons Galleria in Manila, ang kanang kay Alice Dixon. :lol:

Anyway, is there an explanation why Manalili is frequently flooded. Would it be the design of the sewerage system, clogged drainages or was it something like a swamp or a water place back then?

welcome, habagatcentral..

as to your question, perhaps this 1833 map of cebu will help explain the flooding.

look at the cree/river. it actually makes downtown or old cebu into an island, effectively cutting it off from the "mainland"

and i think as the focused image below shows, the "lake" that i wrote about in a previous CDN issue, which probably approximates the area around manalili, sanciangco and colon.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/cebumap1.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/cebumap2.jpg

archaeologue

February 21st, 2011, 10:21 AM

habagatcentral1

February 21st, 2011, 05:45 PM

habagatcentral1

February 21st, 2011, 05:45 PM

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 22nd, 2011, 02:10 AM

^^ A depression indeed. Was it called "Danao" back then or just as is? Because we also have an area in downtown Iloilo City called Barangay Danao and once a year, even if there are no rains, that particular area, which is quite far from the sea and the river, gets flooded due to spring tide.

Perhaps these kind of topography wasn't taken that much seriously by urban planners back then.

Question: does the word "danao" mean lake or what body of water? A lake in Leyte is called Lake Danao. The one in Camotes is also called Lake Danao. I know of another lake somewhere called Danao too.

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 22nd, 2011, 02:10 AM

Taga Bogo

February 22nd, 2011, 05:02 AM

Taga Bogo

February 22nd, 2011, 05:02 AM

Ka_Bino

February 22nd, 2011, 04:08 PM

Ka_Bino

February 22nd, 2011, 04:08 PM

Wolfranz

February 22nd, 2011, 04:28 PM

^^I've heard of people saying "bánaw", not "danaw" when referring to shallow flooding. Could bánaw be the counterpart of danaw in the metropolitan dialect of Cebuano?

Wolfranz

February 22nd, 2011, 04:28 PM

^^I've heard of people saying "bánaw", not "danaw" when referring to shallow flooding. Could bánaw be the counterpart of danaw in the metropolitan dialect of Cebuano?

Taga Bogo

February 22nd, 2011, 05:05 PM

Danao sa Amo sa Tanjay, kay ang Tubig nga nagpundo sa pagkahuman sa ulan.

E.G. "Sus kusuga sa ulan, nag danao gud among silong."
people in the Cebu might use baha instead of danao in the above-mentioned,

but we reserved baha for the flood solely..

sa amo-a sa norte mao man sad ang gamit, most specially sa rural areas. As you had used silong as example, nag lanaw ang tubig sa among silong. Baha is also used in the same manner.

So, is it safe to conclude danao and lanao/lanaw is the same in our language?

Taga Bogo

February 22nd, 2011, 05:05 PM

habagatcentral1

February 22nd, 2011, 09:42 PM

Question: does the word "danao" mean lake or what body of water? A lake in Leyte is called Lake Danao. The one in Camotes is also called Lake Danao. I know of another lake somewhere called Danao too.

In the CEBUANO context, other than that of other provinces which may not share the same meaning of the word, is Danao and Lanao (or lanaw) the same. There are a few places within Cebu Province called lanaw or lanawan.

Danao sa Amo sa Tanjay, kay ang Tubig nga nagpundo sa pagkahuman sa ulan.

E.G. "Sus kusuga sa ulan, nag danao gud among silong."
people in the Cebu might use baha instead of danao in the above-mentioned,

but we reserved baha for the flood solely..

I was also about to ask that too. Seeing the topography of Danao City as some parts are swampy, I was assuming that the name of Danao City, Cebu came from the topography of the place.

Another origin for "Danao" is "Maguindanao" or "Mindanao" where the word "danao" can be also seen and somewhat related for these people who are living beside Liguasan Marsh and Rio Pulangi/Rio Grande de Mindanao.

habagatcentral1

February 22nd, 2011, 09:42 PM

Sleepwalker

February 23rd, 2011, 02:45 AM

^^I sometimes heard farmers in our town use "danawan/danao-an" to refer to mud pond used as swimming pool for the carabaos. The other term synonymous to this is "lunangan/tunaan".

Sleepwalker

February 23rd, 2011, 02:45 AM

^^I sometimes heard farmers in our town use "danawan/danao-an" to refer to mud pond used as swimming pool for the carabaos. The other term synonymous to this is "lunangan/tunaan".

archaeologue

February 23rd, 2011, 10:16 AM

I was also about to ask that too. Seeing the topography of Danao City as some parts are swampy, I was assuming that the name of Danao City, Cebu came from the topography of the place.

Another origin for "Danao" is "Maguindanao" or "Mindanao" where the word "danao" can be also seen and somewhat related for these people who are living beside Liguasan Marsh and Rio Pulangi/Rio Grande de Mindanao.

no Maguindanao or Mindanao cannot be the origin of "danao". in linguistics, you see, the shorter version of a word tends to be its origin. orthographically, that is. besides, "maguin" and "min" are probably descriptive or adjectival prefixes. thus maguindanao and mindanao can probably mean "daghan og danao" or "naay danao" or "ma-danawon" (place of many lakes, place characterized by ponds or lakes) or a place always flooded or with a body of water.

archaeologue

February 23rd, 2011, 10:16 AM

Ka_Bino

February 23rd, 2011, 04:18 PM

Ambot kay among silingan ug mahubog kay mokanta man ug DANAW..

DANAW IS NIR ANSO I PIS DA PAYNAL KORTIN :lol::lol:

Ka_Bino

February 23rd, 2011, 04:18 PM

Ambot kay among silingan ug mahubog kay mokanta man ug DANAW..

DANAW IS NIR ANSO I PIS DA PAYNAL KORTIN :lol::lol:

Panzer_18

February 23rd, 2011, 04:50 PM

^^:nuts::lol:... padaplin or distansya lng tah gamay kay basin mg.kagubot...

Panzer_18

February 23rd, 2011, 04:50 PM

^^:nuts::lol:... padaplin or distansya lng tah gamay kay basin mg.kagubot...

Parchie

February 23rd, 2011, 08:33 PM

Ambot kay among silingan ug mahubog kay mokanta man ug DANAW..

DANAW D IN IS NIR ANSO I PIS DA PAYNAL KORTIN :lol::lol:

Hala! Kuyaw ra ba nang kantaha sir, daghang nagpinatyanay kay mag-ilog ug kinsa'y kanta!

Esquerda usa ta ha?

Parchie

February 23rd, 2011, 08:33 PM

habagatcentral1

February 24th, 2011, 12:38 AM

no Maguindanao or Mindanao cannot be the origin of "danao". in linguistics, you see, the shorter version of a word tends to be its origin. orthographically, that is. besides, "maguin" and "min" are probably descriptive or adjectival prefixes. thus maguindanao and mindanao can probably mean "daghan og danao" or "naay danao" or "ma-danawon" (place of many lakes, place characterized by ponds or lakes) or a place always flooded or with a body of water.

Pardon me sir Joebers, let me rephrase it. What I meant was that the "danao" in Maguindanao and Mindanao may have also come from "danao" which refers to bodies of water which is a predominant feature in Cotabato basin.

Pasensya na sir kay lisud work pag night shift pod, hehe! :)

Anyway, on the other hand, unsay other word for "baha" sa Bisaya?

habagatcentral1

February 24th, 2011, 12:38 AM

archaeologue

February 24th, 2011, 12:54 AM

Pardon me sir Joebers, let me rephrase it. What I meant was that the "danao" in Maguindanao and Mindanao may have also come from "danao" which refers to bodies of water which is a predominant feature in Cotabato basin.

Pasensya na sir kay lisud work pag night shift pod, hehe! :)

Anyway, on the other hand, unsay other word for "baha" sa Bisaya?

oh, i see. sip only two cups of coffee. that's the limit kuno. beyond that, your concentration will be problematic.

:)

the other word for baha I know is "lunop".

archaeologue

February 24th, 2011, 12:54 AM

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 24th, 2011, 12:58 AM

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/cebumap1.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/cebumap2.jpg

cool downtown area map!!!! "okay:

^^ A depression indeed. Was it called "Danao" back then or just as is? Because we also have an area in downtown Iloilo City called Barangay Danao and once a year, even if there are no rains, that particular area, which is quite far from the sea and the river, gets flooded due to spring tide.

Perhaps these kind of topography wasn't taken that much seriously by urban planners back then.

my father, who hails from Barili (south Cebu) refers a small pond as Lanao. He said Danao is the north's counterpart for Lanao. he said most people in the south would call it Lanao/Lanawan and in the north Danao/Danawan but they all refer to the same thing, small pond/lake. thus, Danao City is named after Danao and Camotes Island has Lake Danao all in the northern part of Cebu. :okay:

In the CEBUANO context, other than that of other provinces which may not share the same meaning of the word, is Danao and Lanao (or lanaw) the same. There are a few places within Cebu Province called lanaw or lanawan.

the south sir use lanao instead of danao. :okay:

^^I sometimes heard farmers in our town use "danawan/danao-an" to refer to mud pond used as swimming pool for the carabaos. The other term synonymous to this is "lunangan/tunaan".

yes. they are just the same bai. from where are you? my father use to have a friend from Compostela and when his friend talked about his carabaos bathing, his friend refer the place as Danawan and my father said they don't call it danao/danawan coz back in Barili, they call it lanao/lanawan.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 24th, 2011, 12:58 AM

gee

February 24th, 2011, 08:49 AM

Kay naghisgot naman gyud ta ug mga pangalan sa lugar, ani-ay akong tampo. Magsugod usa ko sa Dakbayan sa Sugbo. Kung tan-awon nato ning mga pangalan atong ma-imagine kung unsa ba gayuy dagway sa Sugbo kani-adto. Kung duna pa moy ikatampo o ikasaway palihog lang ug comment.

Indigenous Names

Vegetation/Trees/Grass:

• Basak-Pardo (Cebu City): basak – rice paddy ||
• Basak-San Nicolas (Cebu City): basak – rice paddy
• Binaliw (Cebu City): baliw – pandan, Pandanus copelandii||
• Cogon-Pardo (Cebu City): kogon – grass, Imperata cylindrica
• Cogon-Ramos (Cebu City): kogon – grass, Imperata cylindrica
• Kalubihan (Cebu City): lubi – coconut, Cocos nucifera
• Kalunasan (Cebu City): lunas – bamboo, Bambusa vulgaris||
• Kamagayan (Cebu City): magay – maguey, Agave cantala
• Kasambagan (Cebu City): sambag - tamarind
• Mabolo (Cebu City): mabolo – velvet apple, Diospyros discolor
• Sambag I/II (Cebu City): sambag - tamarind
• Tisa (Cebu City): tisa – canistel, Pouteria campechiana nervosa ||

Topography

• Bonbon (Cebu City): bonbon – sand
• Busay (Cebu City): busay – waterfalls
• Pasil (Cebu City): pasil – submerged rock, submerged bar
• Pulangbato (Cebu City): pula (red) + bato (stone) = red stone
• Sapangdako (Cebu City): sapa (stream) + dako (big) = big stream
• Suba (Cebu City): suba – river ||

Derived from names of animals that were probably found in that place

• Bacayan (Cebu City): bakay – fish: Nemipterus hexodon
• Quiot Pardo (Cebu City): kiyot – stingless bee, trigona spp. ||

Derived from words that probably indicate the manner in reaching these places

• Adlawon (Cebu City): adlaw – day (perhaps it took the people one day to reach the place)
• Labangon (Cebu City): labang – to cross (the river?)
• Lusaran (Cebu City): lusad – to go down (from the mountain to the valley?)
• Sudlon I/II (Cebu City): sulod – to enter

Derived from words that probably describe these places

• Babag (Cebu City): babag - barrier
• Guba (Cebu City): guba – wreck
• Kinasang-an (Cebu City): kinasang-an – crossing, junction (derived from sanga – branch) |
• Malubog (Cebu City): lubog – murky
• Pamutan (Cebu City): pamutan ~ buto (t<to~-an~^m<b~pa-~) – vagina
• Paril (Cebu City): stonewall
• Pit-os (Cebu City): pit-os – hardship
• Pung-ol (Cebu City): pung-ol – lop off, detached
• Sawang Calero, (Cebu City): sawang ~ hawan (^s<h~-g~) – bare
• Tabunan (Cebu City): tabon – to conceal / concealed
• Tinago (Cebu City): tago – to hide / hidden

Name of Persons

• Luz (Cebu City): Luz Magsaysay ||
• Mabini (Cebu City): Apolinario Mabini|
• T. Padilla (Cebu City): Tiburcio(?) Padilla |

Spanish Names

Names of Saints

• San Antonio (Cebu City): St. Anthony ||
• San Jose (Cebu City): St. Joseph ||
• San Nicolas Proper (Cebu City): St. Nicholas ||
• San Roque (Cebu City): St. Roche ||
• Santa Cruz (Cebu City): Holy Cross ||
• Santo Niño (Cebu City): Holy Child

Names of Spanish Places

• Guadalupe (Cebu City): a town in Spain
• Pardo (Cebu City): El Pardo, a barrio of Madrid

Other Spanish Names

• Carreta (Cebu City): cart
• Ermita (Cebu City): hermitage
• Hipodromo (Cebu City): race track
• Punta Princesa (Cebu City):
• Tejero (Cebu City): tile maker
• Zapatera (Cebu City): shoemaker’s wife

English Names

• Oprra – Old Philippine Railway Residents Association
• Cebu Port Center

Agsungot, Apas, Banawa, Banilad, Budla-an, Bulacao Pardo, Buot-Taup, Calamba, Cambinocot, Day-as, Duljo, Inayawan, Kamputhaw, Lahug, Lorega San Miguel, Mambaling, Pahina, Pahina Central, Parian, Sibugay, Sirao, Sinsin, Tagba-o, Talamban, Taptap, Toong,

gee

February 24th, 2011, 08:49 AM

Panzer_18

February 24th, 2011, 08:53 AM

Panzer_18

February 24th, 2011, 08:53 AM

archaeologue

February 24th, 2011, 10:27 AM

archaeologue

February 24th, 2011, 10:27 AM

gee

February 24th, 2011, 12:26 PM

^^:nuts::nuts::lol::lol:
pinag.hirapan jud uu... hehehe ayos kaayu ni dah!!!... two thumbs up

thank you bay. btw, imo man gyud ng gi-highlight ang pamutan. kung nakabantay ka sa ubos naa poy barangay buot-taup. naa bay nakabalo kung ang barangay buot-taup silingan nga barangay sa pamutan. :lol::lol::lol::bash:

gee

February 24th, 2011, 12:26 PM

Panzer_18

February 24th, 2011, 12:35 PM

... meaning anang buot taup .... murag buot niyang tak.upan iyaha .... hahaha:lol:

Panzer_18

February 24th, 2011, 12:35 PM

... meaning anang buot taup .... murag buot niyang tak.upan iyaha .... hahaha:lol:

gee

February 24th, 2011, 01:17 PM

Wow, genesis, thank you for this ha.

It may interest you to know that USC Press is planning to publish a revised edition of Evangeline Lavilles de Paula's "Cebu City Barangays in Legend and History" . She is currently working on a revision to reflect more historically and scientifically accurate names of the barangays.

This will surely come in handy.

One of our faculty member at SoAn doing research in Binaliw says that Brgy. Cambinocot is a modern version of Camp Binocot. do you have any ideas on this? Because in De Paula, she states that the area is characterized by people who cover themselves (bocot) due to cold temperatures in the uplands.

Perhaps cambinocot is a plant?

i don't know if you have observed this. there a number of places whose names begin with the prefix can- (kan-), cang- (kang-), cam- (kam-). Someone told me that it refers to the owner of the place. But one possibility is that this is an abbreviation to "kanang (adunay)". I have some samples here:

Kamputhaw, Cebu City: Lugar nga dunay puthaw?
Candulawan, Talisay:
Cantao-an, Naga: Lugar nga taw-an?
Kan-asuhan, Carcar: Lugar nga dunay aso?
Candaguit, Sibonga: Lugar nga dunay mangdagit?
Cantolaroy, Sibonga: Lugar ni Tolaroy, (name of person)?
Can-aga, Sibonga: Lugar ni Aga, (name of a person)?
Canbantug, Argao: Lugar ni bantug?
Canbanua, Argao: Lugar ni banwa?
Cansuje, Argao: Lugar ni suhi?
Can-ukban, Oslob:
Cansalo-ay, Oslob:
Kandamiang, Santander:
Cambigong, Samboan:
Camburoy, Samboan:
Canorong, Samboan:
Cambagte, Ginatilan
Campisong, Ginatilan
Canbadong, Alcantara:
Can-abuhon, Ronda
Canduling, Ronda
Cansalonoy, Ronda
Cansayahon, Ronda
Kambanog, Dumanjug
Camboang, Dumanjug
Candabong, Dumanjug
Kang-actol, Dumanjug
Kanghalo, Dumanjug
Kanghumaod, Dumanjug
Kanguha, Dumanjug
Kantangkas, Dumanjug
Kanyuko, Dumanjug
Campangga, Barili
Kangdampas, Barili
Candugay, Barili
Kantabogon, Aloguinsan
Cambang-ug, Toledo
Canlumampao, Toledo
Cantabaco, Toledo
Cambuhawe, Balamban
Cansomoroy, Balamban
Cantibas, Balamban
Cantuod, Balamban
Kanlunsing, Tuburan
Kanlim-ao, Tabuelan
Kanluhangon, Tabuelan
Kantubaon, Tabuelan
Camoboan, Tabogon
Canhabagat, Medillin
Campusong, Borbon
Cantumog, Carmen
Cantucong, Carmen
Cambangkaya, Catmon
Can-ibuang, Catmon
Cambanay, Danao
Cambubho, Danao
Cambayog, Compostela
Canamucan, Compostela
Cansaga, Consolacion
Cambaro, Mandaue
Canduman, Mandaue
Kampingganon, Bantayan
Kangkaibe, Bantayan
Cansabusab, Poro
Kangwayan, Madridejos
Canjulao, Lapu-lapu

what do you think?

gee

February 24th, 2011, 01:17 PM

tukog banog

February 24th, 2011, 02:11 PM

tukog banog

February 24th, 2011, 02:11 PM

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 24th, 2011, 03:35 PM

Kay naghisgot naman gyud ta ug mga pangalan sa lugar, ani-ay akong tampo. Magsugod usa ko sa Dakbayan sa Sugbo. Kung tan-awon nato ning mga pangalan atong ma-imagine kung unsa ba gayuy dagway sa Sugbo kani-adto. Kung duna pa moy ikatampo o ikasaway palihog lang ug comment.

Indigenous Names

Vegetation/Trees/Grass:

• Basak-Pardo (Cebu City): basak – rice paddy ||
• Basak-San Nicolas (Cebu City): basak – rice paddy
• Binaliw (Cebu City): baliw – pandan, Pandanus copelandii||
• Cogon-Pardo (Cebu City): kogon – grass, Imperata cylindrica
• Cogon-Ramos (Cebu City): kogon – grass, Imperata cylindrica
• Kalubihan (Cebu City): lubi – coconut, Cocos nucifera
• Kalunasan (Cebu City): lunas – bamboo, Bambusa vulgaris||
• Kamagayan (Cebu City): magay – maguey, Agave cantala
• Kasambagan (Cebu City): sambag - tamarind
• Mabolo (Cebu City): mabolo – velvet apple, Diospyros discolor
• Sambag I/II (Cebu City): sambag - tamarind
• Tisa (Cebu City): tisa – canistel, Pouteria campechiana nervosa ||

Topography

• Bonbon (Cebu City): bonbon – sand
• Busay (Cebu City): busay – waterfalls
• Pasil (Cebu City): pasil – submerged rock, submerged bar
• Pulangbato (Cebu City): pula (red) + bato (stone) = red stone
• Sapangdako (Cebu City): sapa (stream) + dako (big) = big stream
• Suba (Cebu City): suba – river ||

Derived from names of animals that were probably found in that place

• Bacayan (Cebu City): bakay – fish: Nemipterus hexodon
• Quiot Pardo (Cebu City): kiyot – stingless bee, trigona spp. ||

Derived from words that probably indicate the manner in reaching these places

• Adlawon (Cebu City): adlaw – day (perhaps it took the people one day to reach the place)
• Labangon (Cebu City): labang – to cross (the river?)
• Lusaran (Cebu City): lusad – to go down (from the mountain to the valley?)
• Sudlon I/II (Cebu City): sulod – to enter

Derived from words that probably describe these places

• Babag (Cebu City): babag - barrier
• Guba (Cebu City): guba – wreck
• Kinasang-an (Cebu City): kinasang-an – crossing, junction (derived from sanga – branch) |
• Malubog (Cebu City): lubog – murky
• Pamutan (Cebu City): pamutan ~ buto (t<to~-an~^m<b~pa-~) – vagina • Paril (Cebu City): stonewall
• Pit-os (Cebu City): pit-os – hardship
• Pung-ol (Cebu City): pung-ol – lop off, detached
• Sawang Calero, (Cebu City): sawang ~ hawan (^s<h~-g~) – bare
• Tabunan (Cebu City): tabon – to conceal / concealed
• Tinago (Cebu City): tago – to hide / hidden

Name of Persons

• Luz (Cebu City): Luz Magsaysay ||
• Mabini (Cebu City): Apolinario Mabini|
• T. Padilla (Cebu City): Tiburcio(?) Padilla |

Spanish Names

Names of Saints

• San Antonio (Cebu City): St. Anthony ||
• San Jose (Cebu City): St. Joseph ||
• San Nicolas Proper (Cebu City): St. Nicholas ||
• San Roque (Cebu City): St. Roche ||
• Santa Cruz (Cebu City): Holy Cross ||
• Santo Niño (Cebu City): Holy Child

Names of Spanish Places

• Guadalupe (Cebu City): a town in Spain
• Pardo (Cebu City): El Pardo, a barrio of Madrid

Other Spanish Names

• Carreta (Cebu City): cart
• Ermita (Cebu City): hermitage
• Hipodromo (Cebu City): race track
• Punta Princesa (Cebu City):
• Tejero (Cebu City): tile maker
• Zapatera (Cebu City): shoemaker’s wife

English Names

• Oprra – Old Philippine Railway Residents Association
• Cebu Port Center

Agsungot, Apas, Banawa, Banilad, Budla-an, Bulacao Pardo, Buot-Taup, Calamba, Cambinocot, Day-as, Duljo, Inayawan, Kamputhaw, Lahug, Lorega San Miguel, Mambaling, Pahina, Pahina Central, Parian, Sibugay, Sirao, Sinsin, Tagba-o, Talamban, Taptap, Toong,

excellent geneology! :okay:

btw, im quite amused with Pamutan. asa ni dapit sir?! :D if indeed it describes the place, the place would definitely be HEAVEN ON EARTH! :naughty::D

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 24th, 2011, 03:35 PM

Kay naghisgot naman gyud ta ug mga pangalan sa lugar, ani-ay akong tampo. Magsugod usa ko sa Dakbayan sa Sugbo. Kung tan-awon nato ning mga pangalan atong ma-imagine kung unsa ba gayuy dagway sa Sugbo kani-adto. Kung duna pa moy ikatampo o ikasaway palihog lang ug comment.

Indigenous Names

Vegetation/Trees/Grass:

• Basak-Pardo (Cebu City): basak – rice paddy ||
• Basak-San Nicolas (Cebu City): basak – rice paddy
• Binaliw (Cebu City): baliw – pandan, Pandanus copelandii||
• Cogon-Pardo (Cebu City): kogon – grass, Imperata cylindrica
• Cogon-Ramos (Cebu City): kogon – grass, Imperata cylindrica
• Kalubihan (Cebu City): lubi – coconut, Cocos nucifera
• Kalunasan (Cebu City): lunas – bamboo, Bambusa vulgaris||
• Kamagayan (Cebu City): magay – maguey, Agave cantala
• Kasambagan (Cebu City): sambag - tamarind
• Mabolo (Cebu City): mabolo – velvet apple, Diospyros discolor
• Sambag I/II (Cebu City): sambag - tamarind
• Tisa (Cebu City): tisa – canistel, Pouteria campechiana nervosa ||

Topography

• Bonbon (Cebu City): bonbon – sand
• Busay (Cebu City): busay – waterfalls
• Pasil (Cebu City): pasil – submerged rock, submerged bar
• Pulangbato (Cebu City): pula (red) + bato (stone) = red stone
• Sapangdako (Cebu City): sapa (stream) + dako (big) = big stream
• Suba (Cebu City): suba – river ||

Derived from names of animals that were probably found in that place

• Bacayan (Cebu City): bakay – fish: Nemipterus hexodon
• Quiot Pardo (Cebu City): kiyot – stingless bee, trigona spp. ||

Derived from words that probably indicate the manner in reaching these places

• Adlawon (Cebu City): adlaw – day (perhaps it took the people one day to reach the place)
• Labangon (Cebu City): labang – to cross (the river?)
• Lusaran (Cebu City): lusad – to go down (from the mountain to the valley?)
• Sudlon I/II (Cebu City): sulod – to enter

Derived from words that probably describe these places

• Babag (Cebu City): babag - barrier
• Guba (Cebu City): guba – wreck
• Kinasang-an (Cebu City): kinasang-an – crossing, junction (derived from sanga – branch) |
• Malubog (Cebu City): lubog – murky
• Pamutan (Cebu City): pamutan ~ buto (t<to~-an~^m<b~pa-~) – vagina • Paril (Cebu City): stonewall
• Pit-os (Cebu City): pit-os – hardship
• Pung-ol (Cebu City): pung-ol – lop off, detached
• Sawang Calero, (Cebu City): sawang ~ hawan (^s<h~-g~) – bare
• Tabunan (Cebu City): tabon – to conceal / concealed
• Tinago (Cebu City): tago – to hide / hidden

Name of Persons

• Luz (Cebu City): Luz Magsaysay ||
• Mabini (Cebu City): Apolinario Mabini|
• T. Padilla (Cebu City): Tiburcio(?) Padilla |

Spanish Names

Names of Saints

• San Antonio (Cebu City): St. Anthony ||
• San Jose (Cebu City): St. Joseph ||
• San Nicolas Proper (Cebu City): St. Nicholas ||
• San Roque (Cebu City): St. Roche ||
• Santa Cruz (Cebu City): Holy Cross ||
• Santo Niño (Cebu City): Holy Child

Names of Spanish Places

• Guadalupe (Cebu City): a town in Spain
• Pardo (Cebu City): El Pardo, a barrio of Madrid

Other Spanish Names

• Carreta (Cebu City): cart
• Ermita (Cebu City): hermitage
• Hipodromo (Cebu City): race track
• Punta Princesa (Cebu City):
• Tejero (Cebu City): tile maker
• Zapatera (Cebu City): shoemaker’s wife

English Names

• Oprra – Old Philippine Railway Residents Association
• Cebu Port Center

Agsungot, Apas, Banawa, Banilad, Budla-an, Bulacao Pardo, Buot-Taup, Calamba, Cambinocot, Day-as, Duljo, Inayawan, Kamputhaw, Lahug, Lorega San Miguel, Mambaling, Pahina, Pahina Central, Parian, Sibugay, Sirao, Sinsin, Tagba-o, Talamban, Taptap, Toong,

excellent geneology! :okay:

btw, im quite amused with Pamutan. asa ni dapit sir?! :D if indeed it describes the place, the place would definitely be HEAVEN ON EARTH! :naughty::D

harveharve

February 24th, 2011, 05:30 PM

Labangon & Tisa.

It's quite accurate. To get to Labangon coming from the South, one will have to cross the Kinalumsan Creek, and from the north, one will have to cross the Guadalupe (Pagina) River. =) And to get to the South, people from the North of Cebu will have to cross these two rivers to get to Pardo.

The Official seal of Labangon shows a lone coconut tree, a river, Katipunan Street, and the mountains of Buhisan.

As for Kinalumsan Creek, it changed course sometime in 1911 during the typhoon that practically wiped out the city.

Labangon was once known for Tuba. Drunkards from the South (from Tisa and Punta Princesa to be exact) would drown on the way back after having their fill of Tuba.

The other branch of the Kinalumsan River which crosses Salvador Street is called Sapa's' Lungon which winds its way through sitio Lutaw-lutaw, Labangon, and runs near the back of the San Nicolas Cemetery (calamba) and the Cebu Municipal Cemetery, it's called Sapa's' Lungon since everytime the Kinalumsan River would over-flow, the backflow make the coffins in these two cemeteries float. hahaha

As for our neighbor Tisa, old timers are still arguing up to this day whether Tisa refers to the fruit-bearing Tisa tree or the Tisa (tejado) roof of a certain Pacana in the vicinity. Their barangay seal does not show a tree, but instead shows a house with a teja roof.

harveharve

February 24th, 2011, 05:30 PM

Parchie

February 24th, 2011, 07:58 PM

Kay naghisgot naman gyud ta ug mga pangalan sa lugar, ani-ay akong tampo. Magsugod usa ko sa Dakbayan sa Sugbo. Kung tan-awon nato ning mga pangalan atong ma-imagine kung unsa ba gayuy dagway sa Sugbo kani-adto. Kung duna pa moy ikatampo o ikasaway palihog lang ug comment.
Indigenous Names
Vegetation/Trees/Grass:

• Basak-Pardo (Cebu City): basak – rice paddy
• Basak-San Nicolas (Cebu City): basak – rice paddy
• Binaliw (Cebu City): baliw – pandan, Pandanus copelandii
• Cogon-Pardo (Cebu City): kogon – grass, Imperata cylindrical
• Cogon-Ramos (Cebu City): kogon – grass, Imperata cylindrical
• Kalubihan (Cebu City): lubi – coconut, Cocos nucifera
• Kalunasan (Cebu City): lunas – bamboo, Bambusa vulgaris
• Kamagayan (Cebu City): magay – maguey, Agave cantala
• Kasambagan (Cebu City): sambag – tamarind
• Mabolo (Cebu City): mabolo – velvet apple, Diospyros discolor
• Sambag I/II (Cebu City): sambag – tamarind
• Tisa (Cebu City): tisa – canistel, Pouteria campechiana nervosa

Topography
• Bonbon (Cebu City): bonbon – sand
• Busay (Cebu City): busay – waterfalls
• Pasil (Cebu City): pasil – submerged rock, submerged bar
• Pulangbato (Cebu City): pula (red) + bato (stone) = red stone
• Sapangdako (Cebu City): sapa (stream) + dako (big) = big stream
• Suba (Cebu City): suba – river

Derived from names of animals that were probably found in that place
• Bacayan (Cebu City): bakay – fish: Nemipterus hexodon
• Quiot Pardo (Cebu City): kiyot – stingless bee, trigona spp.
Derived from words that probably indicate the manner in reaching these places
• Adlawon (Cebu City): adlaw – day (perhaps it took the people one day to reach the place) gimbuhaton sa panahon sa adlaw, daily chores
• Labangon (Cebu City): labang – to cross (the river?)
• Lusaran (Cebu City): lusad – to go down (from the mountain to the valley?)
• Sudlon I/II (Cebu City): sulod – to enter
Derived from words that probably describe these places

• Babag (Cebu City): babag - barrier
• Guba (Cebu City): guba – wreck
• Kinasang-an (Cebu City): kinasang-an – crossing, junction (derived from sanga – branch)
• Malubog (Cebu City): lubog – murky
• Pamutan (Cebu City): pamutan ~ buto (t<to~-an~^m<b~pa-~) – vagina
• Paril (Cebu City): stonewall
• Pit-os (Cebu City): pit-os – hardship
• Pung-ol (Cebu City): pung-ol – lop off, detached
• Sawang Calero, (Cebu City): sawang ~ hawan (^s<h~-g~) – bare-->town square
• Tabunan (Cebu City): tabon – to conceal / concealed
• Tinago (Cebu City): tago – to hide / hidden
Name of Persons
• Luz (Cebu City): Luz Magsaysay
• Mabini (Cebu City): Apolinario Mabini
• T. Padilla (Cebu City): Tiburcio(?) Padilla Fr. Toribio Padilla - chosen chaplain of the Cebu Katipuneros
Spanish Names
Names of Saints
• San Antonio (Cebu City): St. Anthony
• San Jose (Cebu City): St. Joseph
• San Nicolas Proper (Cebu City): St. Nicholas
• San Roque (Cebu City): St. Roche
• Santa Cruz (Cebu City): Holy Cross
• Santo Niño (Cebu City): Holy Child
Names of Spanish Places
• Guadalupe (Cebu City): a town in Spain
• Pardo (Cebu City): El Pardo, a barrio of Madrid
Other Spanish Names
• Carreta (Cebu City): cart
• Ermita (Cebu City): hermitage
• Hipodromo (Cebu City): race track
• Punta Princesa (Cebu City): Princess (finger)tips
• Tejero (Cebu City): tile maker
• Zapatera (Cebu City): shoemaker’s wife
English Names
• Oprra – Old Philippine Railway Residents Association
• Cebu Port Center
Agsungot (sungot, ang kasuko, anger),
Apas (gi-sunko, fetch),
Banawa (naglabi nga pagbanaw, large flooding),
Banilad ( kahoy, tree, Sterculia philippinensis),
Budla-an, -
Bulacao, bulalakaw, meteor, shooting star
Buot-Taup, gipiit-igo, confined and stuck (as in stick inside)
Calamba, lamba, the state of being slammed
Cambinocot, bukot, ang gihabolan, blanketed place
Day-as, dili gikan dinhi, langyaw, foreign to a place
Duljo(g) dulhog, descend, go down
Inayawan, ayaw, gusto mokuyog apan dili mahimo, inayawan ->maoy hinungdan nga gusto mokuyog, the reason why one want’s to go with
Kamputhaw place of iron,
Lahug, lahog, karaw, ukay, churn
Lorega, apelyido Castillana, Spanish family name
Mambaling baling, net fishing
Pahina, page (as in a book)
Pahina Central, center page
Parian, ari-anan, bazaar
Sibugay, pagsige ug sibug, continues retreat
Sirao, sirado, Spanish slang, close
Sinsin tuyo-on, secluded
Tigba-o, tigbaw, reed, arundo conspicua
Talamban, tamban, sardines
Taptap nipis nga tabun, cover, veil
Toong, tuong, budlot nga ngabil sa agianan sa kargamento sa barko, raised hatch door seal located on the deck of the ship.

Parchie

February 24th, 2011, 07:58 PM

Kay naghisgot naman gyud ta ug mga pangalan sa lugar, ani-ay akong tampo. Magsugod usa ko sa Dakbayan sa Sugbo. Kung tan-awon nato ning mga pangalan atong ma-imagine kung unsa ba gayuy dagway sa Sugbo kani-adto. Kung duna pa moy ikatampo o ikasaway palihog lang ug comment.
Indigenous Names
Vegetation/Trees/Grass:

• Basak-Pardo (Cebu City): basak – rice paddy
• Basak-San Nicolas (Cebu City): basak – rice paddy
• Binaliw (Cebu City): baliw – pandan, Pandanus copelandii
• Cogon-Pardo (Cebu City): kogon – grass, Imperata cylindrical
• Cogon-Ramos (Cebu City): kogon – grass, Imperata cylindrical
• Kalubihan (Cebu City): lubi – coconut, Cocos nucifera
• Kalunasan (Cebu City): lunas – bamboo, Bambusa vulgaris
• Kamagayan (Cebu City): magay – maguey, Agave cantala
• Kasambagan (Cebu City): sambag – tamarind
• Mabolo (Cebu City): mabolo – velvet apple, Diospyros discolor
• Sambag I/II (Cebu City): sambag – tamarind
• Tisa (Cebu City): tisa – canistel, Pouteria campechiana nervosa

Topography
• Bonbon (Cebu City): bonbon – sand
• Busay (Cebu City): busay – waterfalls
• Pasil (Cebu City): pasil – submerged rock, submerged bar
• Pulangbato (Cebu City): pula (red) + bato (stone) = red stone
• Sapangdako (Cebu City): sapa (stream) + dako (big) = big stream
• Suba (Cebu City): suba – river

Derived from names of animals that were probably found in that place
• Bacayan (Cebu City): bakay – fish: Nemipterus hexodon
• Quiot Pardo (Cebu City): kiyot – stingless bee, trigona spp.
Derived from words that probably indicate the manner in reaching these places
• Adlawon (Cebu City): adlaw – day (perhaps it took the people one day to reach the place) gimbuhaton sa panahon sa adlaw, daily chores
• Labangon (Cebu City): labang – to cross (the river?)
• Lusaran (Cebu City): lusad – to go down (from the mountain to the valley?)
• Sudlon I/II (Cebu City): sulod – to enter
Derived from words that probably describe these places

• Babag (Cebu City): babag - barrier
• Guba (Cebu City): guba – wreck
• Kinasang-an (Cebu City): kinasang-an – crossing, junction (derived from sanga – branch)
• Malubog (Cebu City): lubog – murky
• Pamutan (Cebu City): pamutan ~ buto (t<to~-an~^m<b~pa-~) – vagina
• Paril (Cebu City): stonewall
• Pit-os (Cebu City): pit-os – hardship
• Pung-ol (Cebu City): pung-ol – lop off, detached
• Sawang Calero, (Cebu City): sawang ~ hawan (^s<h~-g~) – bare-->town square
• Tabunan (Cebu City): tabon – to conceal / concealed
• Tinago (Cebu City): tago – to hide / hidden
Name of Persons
• Luz (Cebu City): Luz Magsaysay
• Mabini (Cebu City): Apolinario Mabini
• T. Padilla (Cebu City): Tiburcio(?) Padilla Fr. Toribio Padilla - chosen chaplain of the Cebu Katipuneros
Spanish Names
Names of Saints
• San Antonio (Cebu City): St. Anthony
• San Jose (Cebu City): St. Joseph
• San Nicolas Proper (Cebu City): St. Nicholas
• San Roque (Cebu City): St. Roche
• Santa Cruz (Cebu City): Holy Cross
• Santo Niño (Cebu City): Holy Child
Names of Spanish Places
• Guadalupe (Cebu City): a town in Spain
• Pardo (Cebu City): El Pardo, a barrio of Madrid
Other Spanish Names
• Carreta (Cebu City): cart
• Ermita (Cebu City): hermitage
• Hipodromo (Cebu City): race track
• Punta Princesa (Cebu City): Princess (finger)tips
• Tejero (Cebu City): tile maker
• Zapatera (Cebu City): shoemaker’s wife
English Names
• Oprra – Old Philippine Railway Residents Association
• Cebu Port Center
Agsungot (sungot, ang kasuko, anger),
Apas (gi-sunko, fetch),
Banawa (naglabi nga pagbanaw, large flooding),
Banilad ( kahoy, tree, Sterculia philippinensis),
Budla-an, -
Bulacao, bulalakaw, meteor, shooting star
Buot-Taup, gipiit-igo, confined and stuck (as in stick inside)
Calamba, lamba, the state of being slammed
Cambinocot, bukot, ang gihabolan, blanketed place
Day-as, dili gikan dinhi, langyaw, foreign to a place
Duljo(g) dulhog, descend, go down
Inayawan, ayaw, gusto mokuyog apan dili mahimo, inayawan ->maoy hinungdan nga gusto mokuyog, the reason why one want’s to go with
Kamputhaw place of iron,
Lahug, lahog, karaw, ukay, churn
Lorega, apelyido Castillana, Spanish family name
Mambaling baling, net fishing
Pahina, page (as in a book)
Pahina Central, center page
Parian, ari-anan, bazaar
Sibugay, pagsige ug sibug, continues retreat
Sirao, sirado, Spanish slang, close
Sinsin tuyo-on, secluded
Tigba-o, tigbaw, reed, arundo conspicua
Talamban, tamban, sardines
Taptap nipis nga tabun, cover, veil
Toong, tuong, budlot nga ngabil sa agianan sa kargamento sa barko, raised hatch door seal located on the deck of the ship.

Parchie

February 24th, 2011, 08:06 PM

i don't know if you have observed this. there a number of places whose names begin with the prefix can- (kan-), cang- (kang-), cam- (kam-). Someone told me that it refers to the owner of the place. But one possibility is that this is an abbreviation to "kanang (adunay)". I have some samples here:

Kamputhaw, Cebu City: Lugar nga dunay puthaw?
Candulawan, Talisay:
Cantao-an, Naga: Lugar nga taw-an?
Kan-asuhan, Carcar: Lugar nga dunay aso?
Candaguit, Sibonga: Lugar nga dunay mangdagit?
Cantolaroy, Sibonga: Lugar ni Tolaroy, (name of person)?
Can-aga, Sibonga: Lugar ni Aga, (name of a person)?
Canbantug, Argao: Lugar ni bantug?
Canbanua, Argao: Lugar ni banwa?
Cansuje, Argao: Lugar ni suhi?
Can-ukban, Oslob:
Cansalo-ay, Oslob:
Kandamiang, Santander:
Cambigong, Samboan:
Camburoy, Samboan:
Canorong, Samboan:
Cambagte, Ginatilan
Campisong, Ginatilan
Canbadong, Alcantara:
Can-abuhon, Ronda
Canduling, Ronda
Cansalonoy, Ronda
Cansayahon, Ronda
Kambanog, Dumanjug
Camboang, Dumanjug
Candabong, Dumanjug
Kang-actol, Dumanjug
Kanghalo, Dumanjug
Kanghumaod, Dumanjug
Kanguha, Dumanjug
Kantangkas, Dumanjug
Kanyuko, Dumanjug
Campangga, Barili
Kangdampas, Barili
Candugay, Barili
Kantabogon, Aloguinsan
Cambang-ug, Toledo
Canlumampao, Toledo
Cantabaco, Toledo
Cambuhawe, Balamban
Cansomoroy, Balamban
Cantibas, Balamban
Cantuod, Balamban
Kanlunsing, Tuburan
Kanlim-ao, Tabuelan
Kanluhangon, Tabuelan
Kantubaon, Tabuelan
Camoboan, Tabogon
Canhabagat, Medillin
Campusong, Borbon
Cantumog, Carmen
Cantucong, Carmen
Cambangkaya, Catmon
Can-ibuang, Catmon
Cambanay, Danao
Cambubho, Danao
Cambayog, Compostela
Canamucan, Compostela
Cansaga, Consolacion
Cambaro, Mandaue
Canduman, Mandaue
Kampingganon, Bantayan
Kangkaibe, Bantayan
Cansabusab, Poro
Kangwayan, Madridejos
Canjulao, Lapu-lapu

what do you think?

Ang "kang" nagpasabot ug pag-angkon, kang tatay kini, kang nanay, kang inday, ug uban pa! Aron madali, gi drop ang "g" unya isumpay ang kung kinsa i-attribute. Usahay ang "n" himuon nga "m" aron dili mabitik ang dila sa kalisud pag litok.

Parchie

February 24th, 2011, 08:06 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

February 25th, 2011, 03:27 AM

Diay akong gamay nga tampo niining diskusyon. (In blue)

English Names
• Oprra – Old Philippine Railway Residents Association
• Cebu Port Center
Agsungot (sungot, ang kasuko, anger),
Apas (gi-sunko, fetch),
Banawa (naglabi nga pagbanaw, large flooding), - from Banawan
Banilad ( kahoy, tree, Sterculia philippinensis),
Budla-an, -
Bulacao, bulalakaw, meteor, shooting star – from bulakaw ball of fire used as transportation for unglus (according to Wolff)
Buot-Taup, gipiit-igo, confined and stuck (as in stick inside)
Calamba, lamba, the state of being slammed
Cambinocot, bukot, ang gihabolan, blanketed place – Kang - Binocot
Day-as, dili gikan dinhi, langyaw, foreign to a place – most residents came from Day-as, Cordova
Duljo(g) dulhog, descend, go down
Inayawan, ayaw, gusto mokuyog apan dili mahimo, inayawan ->maoy hinungdan nga gusto mokuyog, the reason why one want’s to go with
Kamputhaw place of iron, - Kang - Puthaw
Lahug, lahog, karaw, ukay, churn
Lorega, apelyido Castillana, Spanish family name – Gen. Enrique Lorega, Cebuano revolutionary
Mambaling baling, net fishing
Pahina, page (as in a book)
Pahina Central, center page
Parian, ari-anan, bazaar – Mexican origin – market place
Sibugay, pagsige ug sibug, continues retreat
Sirao, sirado, Spanish slang, close
Sinsin tuyo-on, secluded
Tigba-o, tigbaw, reed, arundo conspicua
Talamban, tamban, sardines
Taptap nipis nga tabun, cover, veil
Toong, tuong, budlot nga ngabil sa agianan sa kargamento sa barko, raised hatch door seal located on the deck of the ship.

Ang_Bantayanon

February 25th, 2011, 03:27 AM

Ang_Bantayanon

February 25th, 2011, 03:50 AM

How about names of towns?

Diay gamay nakong tampo. I will only post those with verified origins.

Lapu - Lapu - of course who doesn't know the man?

Cordova - A province in Spain; Cordoba

Consolacion - daughter of Gov. Gen. Izquierdo who signed the decree of separation; Our Lady of Consolation, patroness of the Augustinian Order.

Lilo-an - from lilo (ripples)

Compostela - From campus estellae, meaning 'field of stars'; A famous pilgrimage city in Spain where the relics of St. James (Santiago) were found.

Danao - From the numerous danawan found in the area. Most of these have been filled by the order of then Cong. Ramon Durano, Sr.

San Francisco - St. Francis of Assisi

Pilar - Our Lady of the Pillar

Tudela - a town in Spain

Carmen - Our Lady of Mount Carmel, patroness of the Recollect Order.

Catmon - From the catmon tree

Bogo - From Bogo tree

Medellin - A city in Colombia

Daanbantayan - From an old fort

San Remigio - St. Remigius, a French bishop who baptized Clovis.

Santa Fe - Spanish - Holy Faith

Bantayan - From Pu'o nga gibantayan; guarded island

Madridejos - From a city in Spain; named after the Spanish Bishop of Cebu Benito Romero who came from Madridejos, Spain.

Talisay - From the talisay tree

Minglanilla - a town in Spain

San Fernando - St. Ferdinand, King of Spain

Carcar - A city in Spain

Dalaguete - From the dalakit tree

Argao - From the sali-argaw tree

Alcoy - a town in Spain

Santander - a city in Spain

There are eight towns in Cebu that were named after saints or have something to do with the Catholic faith like;

Santa Fe
San Fernando
Compostela
San Remigio
San Francisco
Pilar
Carmen and
Consolacion

Kamo na pud sa uban. Kanang verified lang ug dili kanang mugna-mugna lang nga nangutana ang mga Katsila unya gisulat dayon ang ngalan.

Ang_Bantayanon

February 25th, 2011, 03:50 AM

archaeologue

February 25th, 2011, 01:54 PM

^^

yea, gee, i'm quite familiar with the prefix kam and kang.
my third fieldwork was in bantayan way back the early 1990s at a place that had a sitio called kangkaibe. and the people there would tell me that the name referred to someone. there is also kampranko in medellin which i am sure refers to the Francos who used to own vast sugarlands in the area.

but cambinocot? well, i certainly suspect that this was one of the many military camps before and during WWII.

by the way, i though camputhaw was a flower...hehe.

archaeologue

February 25th, 2011, 01:54 PM

Panzer_18

February 25th, 2011, 02:11 PM

Panzer_18

February 25th, 2011, 02:11 PM

archaeologue

February 25th, 2011, 02:58 PM

alegria..... means alegre or happy in spanish

correction:

Alegria is a city in the Pais Vasco region of Spain. it is 68 km south of Pamplona.

archaeologue

February 25th, 2011, 02:58 PM

alegria..... means alegre or happy in spanish

correction:

Alegria is a city in the Pais Vasco region of Spain. it is 68 km south of Pamplona.

Panzer_18

February 25th, 2011, 03:18 PM

:okay:...

Panzer_18

February 25th, 2011, 03:18 PM

:okay:...

Ang_Bantayanon

February 25th, 2011, 04:12 PM

^^AHMM correction about carcar... its not city in spain but its a kind of a fern growing in the trunks of acacia tree...:okay:

boljoon... bolho (wave currents)
ginatilan.. hinatdan( deliver or e.hatud
malbuyoc... mala. buyoc (2 meanings ... 1st one is that spanish were poison during there visit because what they've eaten and secondly is buyoc or simply e.buyoc ang mais sa kaldero...:D)
alegria..... means alegre or happy in spanish
Ronda... andalucian town in spain
oslob... toslob or dive in sea's
pinamungajan... pamuhuan or something pamuhunan, or daily livelihood of the pinamungajan folks... :D
aloguinsan... kinsan, kind of a fish
sibonga... bonga ... in spanish the happy ..(not sure)
asturias... province in northern spain
tuburan.... tubod or spring
...

mao ra na akng mahatag na info guyz.... :D

Thanks for the info but Im kinda doubtful with the fern etymology. Until now they have not produced an actual kabkad plant. But the reason why I don't believe why it is not native in origin is because the names of some barangays of Carcar itself is very Castilian --- you have Ocana, Valladolid, Valencia and Guadalupe are names of famous towns and cities in Spain so that why won't the friars name the town after a city in the Iberian peninsula? It must be that one of the friars who first made a mission in the town must have come from Carcar, Spain and so he named it after his beloved city as was the practice before.

Anyway, could it be that Asturias was named after a Spanish royal house?

Ang_Bantayanon

February 25th, 2011, 04:12 PM

Parchie

February 25th, 2011, 04:37 PM

Parchie

February 25th, 2011, 04:37 PM

Parchie

February 25th, 2011, 04:42 PM

. . . . . Until now they have not produced an actual kabkad plant.

Sige lang, ug makalugar ko ug uli sa probinsiya, akong kuha-ag picture kanang gi-ingon nga "kab-kab" nya i-post nako diri.

Parchie

February 25th, 2011, 04:42 PM

. . . . . Until now they have not produced an actual kabkad plant.

Sige lang, ug makalugar ko ug uli sa probinsiya, akong kuha-ag picture kanang gi-ingon nga "kab-kab" nya i-post nako diri.

Ang_Bantayanon

February 25th, 2011, 04:55 PM

Ang sulti sa akong apuhan bahin anang Carcar mao nang imong gi-ingon bro. Di man kalitok ang mga Katsila ug "kab-kab", kanang fern nga motubo sa acacia, "Carcar" na lang ang gi-tawag sa inyong lugar!

Thanks. But Im sure that's not why they called the place Carcar. Anyway, I've read newspaper reports from the 1910s up to the 40s referring to Carcar as Kabkad... I actually did a research about Carcar already but what I like most in your city are the structures built by Don Mariano Mercado and the death of Leon Kilat.

Ang_Bantayanon

February 25th, 2011, 04:55 PM

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 25th, 2011, 04:59 PM

biliba gyud nako sa Cebu kay daghan gyud mga places dinhi nga spanish in origin. same pud sa Negros! pwerteng daghana sa mga lugar nga derived in Spanish.

also in the list is Toledo and Alcantara. :okay:

towns with names that are of Spanish origin or Latin American:

1. Madridejos
2. Santa Fe
3. Medellin
4. Tudela
5. San Francisco
6. Pilar
7. Carmen
8. Compostela
9. Consolacion
10. Cordova
11. Minglanilla
12. San Fernando
13. Alcoy
14. Santander
15. Alegria
16. Alcantara
17. Ronda
18. Toledo
19. Asturias
20. San Remigio
21. Borbon
22. Carcar (???)

towns with native names:

1. Bantayan
2. Daanbantayan
3. Bogo
4. Tabogon
5. Sogod
6. Catmon
7. Danao
8. Liloan
9. Poro
10. Mandaue
11. Lapu-Lapu
12. Cebu
13. Talisay
14. Naga
15. Carcar (???)
16. Sibonga
17. Argao
18. Dalaguete
19. Boljoon
20. Oslob
21. Ginatilan
22. Samboan
23. Malabuyoc
24. Badian
25. Moalboal
26. Dumanjug
27. Barili
28. Pinamungajan
29. Aloguinsan
30. Balamban
31. Tabuelan
32. Tuburan

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 25th, 2011, 04:59 PM

Parchie

February 25th, 2011, 05:14 PM

I tried to surf the web using "ferns" as keyword to look for "kab-kab" and bingo! I got these:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/3119192025_53b8266a80_z.jpg
http://www.germanlipa.de/garten/bild/Drynaria_quercifolia.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LthjgnYmL6s/SwCNZfg73eI/AAAAAAAACwY/FGqt44rKHFA/s640/DSCN0809.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LthjgnYmL6s/SwCNS9lw8gI/AAAAAAAACwQ/Ai9NJZVlcF4/s640/DSCN0808.JPG

When we were small kids, we used to take those dry kabkab leaves and use them to prevent from getting wet when it rains!

Parchie

February 25th, 2011, 05:14 PM

Ang_Bantayanon

February 25th, 2011, 05:20 PM

Ok thanks. But Im still not convinced that it's that plant.. Hehehe... because there's the Spanish city version.. Im more inclined to the latter.

Ang_Bantayanon

February 25th, 2011, 05:20 PM

Ok thanks. But Im still not convinced that it's that plant.. Hehehe... because there's the Spanish city version.. Im more inclined to the latter.

Panzer_18

February 26th, 2011, 01:33 AM

in spain CORDOBA speak in slow pace form==== in cebu CORDOVA litukon ug kalit...:okay:

Panzer_18

February 26th, 2011, 01:33 AM

in spain CORDOBA speak in slow pace form==== in cebu CORDOVA litukon ug kalit...:okay:

Panzer_18

February 26th, 2011, 01:38 AM

Thanks for the info but Im kinda doubtful with the fern etymology. Until now they have not produced an actual kabkad plant. But the reason why I don't believe why it is not native in origin is because the names of some barangays of Carcar itself is very Castilian --- you have Ocana, Valladolid, Valencia and Guadalupe are names of famous towns and cities in Spain so that why won't the friars name the town after a city in the Iberian peninsula? It must be that one of the friars who first made a mission in the town must have come from Carcar, Spain and so he named it after his beloved city as was the practice before.

Anyway, could it be that Asturias was named after a Spanish royal house?

^^about these, probably it is a town in navarre spain based in my reserch.
btw, maybe you are right if the asturia's means a royal spanish citadel house... but i doubt its a province in spain...

Panzer_18

February 26th, 2011, 01:38 AM

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 26th, 2011, 02:38 AM

^^ Principado de Asturias :okay:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

February 26th, 2011, 02:38 AM

^^ Principado de Asturias :okay:

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 26th, 2011, 02:44 AM

i don't know if you have observed this. there a number of places whose names begin with the prefix can- (kan-), cang- (kang-), cam- (kam-). Someone told me that it refers to the owner of the place. But one possibility is that this is an abbreviation to "kanang (adunay)". I have some samples here:

Kamputhaw, Cebu City: Lugar nga dunay puthaw?
Candulawan, Talisay:
Cantao-an, Naga: Lugar nga taw-an?
Kan-asuhan, Carcar: Lugar nga dunay aso?
Candaguit, Sibonga: Lugar nga dunay mangdagit?
Cantolaroy, Sibonga: Lugar ni Tolaroy, (name of person)?
Can-aga, Sibonga: Lugar ni Aga, (name of a person)?
Canbantug, Argao: Lugar ni bantug?
Canbanua, Argao: Lugar ni banwa?
Cansuje, Argao: Lugar ni suhi?
Can-ukban, Oslob:
Cansalo-ay, Oslob:
Kandamiang, Santander:
Cambigong, Samboan:
Camburoy, Samboan:
Canorong, Samboan:
Cambagte, Ginatilan
Campisong, Ginatilan
Canbadong, Alcantara:
Can-abuhon, Ronda
Canduling, Ronda
Cansalonoy, Ronda
Cansayahon, Ronda
Kambanog, Dumanjug
Camboang, Dumanjug
Candabong, Dumanjug
Kang-actol, Dumanjug
Kanghalo, Dumanjug
Kanghumaod, Dumanjug
Kanguha, Dumanjug
Kantangkas, Dumanjug
Kanyuko, Dumanjug
Campangga, Barili
Kangdampas, Barili
Candugay, Barili
Kantabogon, Aloguinsan
Cambang-ug, Toledo
Canlumampao, Toledo
Cantabaco, Toledo
Cambuhawe, Balamban
Cansomoroy, Balamban
Cantibas, Balamban
Cantuod, Balamban
Kanlunsing, Tuburan
Kanlim-ao, Tabuelan
Kanluhangon, Tabuelan
Kantubaon, Tabuelan
Camoboan, Tabogon
Canhabagat, Medillin
Campusong, Borbon
Cantumog, Carmen
Cantucong, Carmen
Cambangkaya, Catmon
Can-ibuang, Catmon
Cambanay, Danao
Cambubho, Danao
Cambayog, Compostela
Canamucan, Compostela
Cansaga, Consolacion
Cambaro, Mandaue
Canduman, Mandaue
Kampingganon, Bantayan
Kangkaibe, Bantayan
Cansabusab, Poro
Kangwayan, Madridejos
Canjulao, Lapu-lapu

what do you think?

I think it could be both - but ownership is my likely choice. A lot of the barrios of Tabuelan (where I spent some years my childhood) have names like

Kamputhaw
Kansaguibo
Kanluhangon
Kanlungkab
Kanlim-aw
Kanduhawon
Kantakuyan

In fact the name of the town is a short version of Tabu-an ni Ruelan. Ruelan is one of the oldest and most prominent family name in the town. Before it became a town, it was just a tabu-an or where people bring goods to sell. The tabo in Tabuelan is on Saturdays.

More likely these places are where the properties of these people are. A very recent example is Kanggoyong, the more popular name of the Don Gregorio Antigua barangay of the town of Borbon or is it Tabogon. Goyong is the nickname of Gregorio.

Ang Karaang Tawo

February 26th, 2011, 02:44 AM

i don't know if you have observed this. there a number of places whose names begin with the prefix can- (kan-), cang- (kang-), cam- (kam-). Someone told me that it refers to the owner of the place. But one possibility is that this is an abbreviation to "kanang (adunay)". I have some samples here:

Kamputhaw, Cebu City: Lugar nga dunay puthaw?
Candulawan, Talisay:
Cantao-an, Naga: Lugar nga taw-an?
Kan-asuhan, Carcar: Lugar nga dunay aso?
Candaguit, Sibonga: Lugar nga dunay mangdagit?
Cantolaroy, Sibonga: Lugar ni Tolaroy, (name of person)?
Can-aga, Sibonga: Lugar ni Aga, (name of a person)?
Canbantug, Argao: Lugar ni bantug?
Canbanua, Argao: Lugar ni banwa?
Cansuje, Argao: Lugar ni suhi?
Can-ukban, Oslob:
Cansalo-ay, Oslob:
Kandamiang, Santander:
Cambigong, Samboan:
Camburoy, Samboan:
Canorong, Samboan:
Cambagte, Ginatilan
Campisong, Ginatilan
Canbadong, Alcantara:
Can-abuhon, Ronda
Canduling, Ronda
Cansalonoy, Ronda
Cansayahon, Ronda
Kambanog, Dumanjug
Camboang, Dumanjug
Candabong, Dumanjug
Kang-actol, Dumanjug
Kanghalo, Dumanjug
Kanghumaod, Dumanjug
Kanguha, Dumanjug
Kantangkas, Dumanjug
Kanyuko, Dumanjug
Campangga, Barili
Kangdampas, Barili
Candugay, Barili
Kantabogon, Aloguinsan
Cambang-ug, Toledo
Canlumampao, Toledo
Cantabaco, Toledo
Cambuhawe, Balamban
Cansomoroy, Balamban
Cantibas, Balamban
Cantuod, Balamban
Kanlunsing, Tuburan
Kanlim-ao, Tabuelan
Kanluhangon, Tabuelan
Kantubaon, Tabuelan
Camoboan, Tabogon
Canhabagat, Medillin
Campusong, Borbon
Cantumog, Carmen
Cantucong, Carmen
Cambangkaya, Catmon
Can-ibuang, Catmon
Cambanay, Danao
Cambubho, Danao
Cambayog, Compostela
Canamucan, Compostela
Cansaga, Consolacion
Cambaro, Mandaue
Canduman, Mandaue
Kampingganon, Bantayan
Kangkaibe, Bantayan
Cansabusab, Poro
Kangwayan, Madridejos
Canjulao, Lapu-lapu

what do you think?

I think it could be both - but ownership is my likely choice. A lot of the barrios of Tabuelan (where I spent some years my childhood) have names like

Kamputhaw
Kansaguibo
Kanluhangon
Kanlungkab
Kanlim-aw
Kanduhawon
Kantakuyan

In fact the name of the town is a short version of Tabu-an ni Ruelan. Ruelan is one of the oldest and most prominent family name in the town. Before it became a town, it was just a tabu-an or where people bring goods to sell. The tabo in Tabuelan is on Saturdays.

More likely these places are where the properties of these people are. A very recent example is Kanggoyong, the more popular name of the Don Gregorio Antigua barangay of the town of Borbon or is it Tabogon. Goyong is the nickname of Gregorio.

gee

February 26th, 2011, 05:11 AM

aside from the prefix kang-, there are names of places which begin with the prefix ag-, bag- and mag-. I'm not so sure if it is related to the prefix kang-. Here are some samples:

Ag-balanga, Moalboal
Ag-banga, Asturias
Ag-suwao, Catmon
Ag-tugop, Asturias

Bag-alnga, Compostela
Bag-asawe, Tuburan
Bag-atayam, Sogod

Mag-alwa, Tuburan
Mag-antoy, Tuburan
Mag-cagong, Sibonga
Mag-calape, Asturias
Mag-hanoy, Barili
Mag-haway, Talisay
Mag-sico, San Fernando
Mag-tagobtob, Danao

gee

February 26th, 2011, 05:11 AM

Parchie

February 26th, 2011, 07:04 AM

Parchie

February 26th, 2011, 07:04 AM

Ka_Bino

February 26th, 2011, 02:37 PM

there was a place we call kabutay, coz the 1st house in that area was owned by butay, funny lang kay akolang tagi barrio ang mutawag ana ug kabutay..

kay people who live there have a name for that place which slips my mind

Ka_Bino

February 26th, 2011, 02:37 PM

LordCarnal

February 28th, 2011, 07:08 PM

I just watched Balaanong Mugna which featured the old stone churches of Bantayan, Sibonga, Dalaguete, Argao, and Boljoon at Sugbo T.V.

Nalingaw ko nila Jobers (@archaeologue) and Trizer (@angbantayanon)

All I can say is that the show is superb and very, very, very educational. It is like we have a Cebu-version of "National Geographic Channel."

The story is very organized and the video shots are very professional too.

Kudos to Governor Gwen Garcia for Sugbo TV and for this. Big help in promoting and preserving our heritage sites and at the same time promoting Cebu tourism to the world.

:banana:

LordCarnal

February 28th, 2011, 07:08 PM

LordCarnal

February 28th, 2011, 07:12 PM

Anyway, I learned through Balaanong Mugna that ivory in the local dialect is Garing ???

There's a place I think in Consolacion that is called Garing.

Hehehe.

.:.

LordCarnal

February 28th, 2011, 07:12 PM

Anyway, I learned through Balaanong Mugna that ivory in the local dialect is Garing ???

There's a place I think in Consolacion that is called Garing.

Hehehe.

.:.

archaeologue

March 1st, 2011, 01:56 AM

Anyway, I learned through Balaanong Mugna that ivory in the local dialect is Garing ???

There's a place I think in Consolacion that is called Garing.

Hehehe.

.:.

yup, garing. the spanish is marfil, i think. i thought you knew that na, nold. and yes, there is a place called Garing in Consolacion, in the uplands near Pit-os.

thre must have been elephants there hahahahahah!

archaeologue

March 1st, 2011, 01:56 AM

archaeologue

March 1st, 2011, 01:57 AM

archaeologue

March 1st, 2011, 01:57 AM

Ang_Bantayanon

March 1st, 2011, 03:24 AM

Ang_Bantayanon

March 1st, 2011, 03:24 AM

Taga Bogo

March 1st, 2011, 04:23 AM

thanks, nold....you give us too much credit...actually kulang pa na oi to qualify as NGc hahaha....but it's almost there.

It was in either Iloilo museum or the national museum (forgot where kay limtanon ning tiguwanga :) ) where some years ago I saw some fossilized prehistoric elephant teeth dug up somewhere in the Philippines.

So if there is a Cebuano word "garing" does this mean our forefathers had "meet" an elephant before we were discovered. Or does garing generally mean a long tooth or a canine tooth.

My apologies for the ignorance

Taga Bogo

March 1st, 2011, 04:23 AM

papable

March 1st, 2011, 07:47 AM

It was in either Iloilo museum or the national museum (forgot where kay limtanon ning tiguwanga :) ) where some years ago I saw some fossilized prehistoric elephant teeth dug up somewhere in the Philippines.

So if there is a Cebuano word "garing" does this mean our forefathers had "meet" an elephant before we were discovered. Or does garing generally mean a long tooth or a canine tooth.

My apologies for the ignorance

t think garing means ivory. it is also a tagalog word.

papable

March 1st, 2011, 07:47 AM

Ang Karaang Tawo

March 1st, 2011, 01:10 PM

t think garing means ivory. it is also a tagalog word.

Yes, garing means ivory and ivory comes from elephant tusks.

Ang Karaang Tawo

March 1st, 2011, 01:10 PM

t think garing means ivory. it is also a tagalog word.

Yes, garing means ivory and ivory comes from elephant tusks.

Taga Bogo

March 1st, 2011, 04:09 PM

t think garing means ivory. it is also a tagalog word.

Yes, garing means ivory and ivory comes from elephant tusks.

thanks for the information on us sharing the same meaning of the word with the tagalogs.

Am just under the impression that if we have a local/native word for something it would mean we have that something before our colonizers came.

Hope the logic is correct, so if we have a word for ivory does it mean our forefathers saw some elephants around or does garing generally mean a long tooth, a canine tooth or any kind of teeth or any kind of bone carving.

Taga Bogo

March 1st, 2011, 04:09 PM

Parchie

March 2nd, 2011, 01:21 AM

Am just under the impression that if we have a local/native word for something it would mean we have that something before our colonizers came.

Hope the logic is correct, so if we have a word for ivory does it mean our forefathers saw some elephants around or does garing generally mean a long tooth, a canine tooth or any kind of teeth or any kind of bone carving.

The other logic I see is "garing was brought to us from outside and our forefathers coined the word to describe it."

Like I remember sometime in this forum where I asked if "batuan", a tree whose fruit is a popular souring ingredient in some culinary courses in the Visayas is native to the region. I was told it could have been brought here by ancient traders and our forefathers tried growing them here.

Parchie

March 2nd, 2011, 01:21 AM

Ka_Bino

March 2nd, 2011, 04:11 AM

Malay term for Tusk is "GADING" while ivory tusk is"taring gading"

Ka_Bino

March 2nd, 2011, 04:11 AM

Malay term for Tusk is "GADING" while ivory tusk is"taring gading"

archaeologue

March 2nd, 2011, 08:48 AM

thanks for the information on us sharing the same meaning of the word with the tagalogs.

Am just under the impression that if we have a local/native word for something it would mean we have that something before our colonizers came.

Hope the logic is correct, so if we have a word for ivory does it mean our forefathers saw some elephants around or does garing generally mean a long tooth, a canine tooth or any kind of teeth or any kind of bone carving.

you are correct, boy.
and i do not think that "garing" is only Tagalog. it is probably an austronesian word. and therefore it is no surprise why you can find it among those in the visayas and not the spanish equivalent "marfil".

there were elephants in Sulu coming from Borneo, reported in the early Spanish period. either they were brought there as gifts to the sultanate or had swam the shallow waters of Sitangkai---which is not an impossibility. Whatever the case, there were elephants there.

The elephant teeth you saw at the National Museum was from a fossilized extinct species called the "elephas" recovered from Cagayan Valley, considered the source of the primordial or paleolithic period of Philippine archaeology---so many old stone tools and fossilized animal bones have been recovered there, but no human remains yet.

archaeologue

March 2nd, 2011, 08:48 AM

Taga Bogo

March 2nd, 2011, 02:52 PM

you are correct, boy.
and i do not think that "garing" is only Tagalog. it is probably an austronesian word. and therefore it is no surprise why you can find it among those in the visayas and not the spanish equivalent "marfil".

there were elephants in Sulu coming from Borneo, reported in the early Spanish period. either they were brought there as gifts to the sultanate or had swam the shallow waters of Sitangkai---which is not an impossibility. Whatever the case, there were elephants there.

The elephant teeth you saw at the National Museum was from a fossilized extinct species called the "elephas" recovered from Cagayan Valley, considered the source of the primordial or paleolithic period of Philippine archaeology---so many old stone tools and fossilized animal bones have been recovered there, but no human remains yet.

Thanks Jobers for the usual informative responses. Guess this puts to rest my question.

Taga Bogo

March 2nd, 2011, 02:52 PM

archaeologue

March 3rd, 2011, 11:50 AM

^^^^

you're welcome, Boy.

Let me invite everyone in this forum to visit us if you have the time.

You may also volunteer if you are willing to turn red under the sun hahah!

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archaeologue

March 3rd, 2011, 11:50 AM

archaeologue

March 3rd, 2011, 11:50 AM

oops double posting. haha. sorry.

archaeologue

March 3rd, 2011, 11:50 AM

oops double posting. haha. sorry.

nangamote

March 4th, 2011, 04:18 AM

Thanks Jobers for the usual informative responses. Guess this puts to rest my question.

Very interesting.

The elephant (Elephas beyeri Koenigswald) was perhaps a pygmy form (Corbet and Hill, 1992) of Elephas namadicus (Silawik Hills, India), which in turn was allocated to Palaeoloxodon, an extinct subgenus. The only surviving species of Elephas is the Asian elephant, Elephas maximus. It appears that the genus is closely related to the mammoth genus, Mammuthus. So the cold genera became very hairy and the tropical ones, hairless. Apparently, evidence for rhinoceros was found as well, in fact a species was named after the find: Rhinoceros philippinensis Koenigswald. This paper (Ronquillo, 2010 (http://www.ejournals.ph/index.php?journal=TJH&page=article&op=download&path%5B%5D=304&path%5B%5D=945)) below outlines the state of knowledge, page 1 below:
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Below, distribution of Rhinoceros, Dicerorhinus, and Equus--very easy to see why rhinos ended up in Luzon... Evidence for tiger (http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0031018208002113) (Panthera tigris) was also found on Palawan. The Sunda shelf was teeming with life back then. From Corbet and Hill. 1992. The Mammals of the Indomalayan Region: A Systematic Review (http://www.rhinoresourcecenter.com/ref_files/1272865848.pdf)
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nangamote

March 4th, 2011, 04:18 AM

Sleepwalker

March 9th, 2011, 03:45 PM

Sensya, taas taas ni og gamay... :)

The Cebuano as Entrepreneur (http://elcproperties.com/ceburmojares.html)
By Resil B. Mojares
The Cebu Yearbook 2002

CEBUANO is an invention. We don't know what the inhabitants of this island called themselves in pre-colonial times (they did not then constitute a single, self-conscious community). The word itself descends from an error when Sugbo (the name of the island's main port) was misspoken and mistranscribed by the Spaniards as Cebu.

Ambiguous origins, however, do not erase the fact that, through history, the Cebuano (or Sugboanon, if you will) has invented himself as a community. Such invention involves the marking of difference, of qualities that make the Cebuano distinct from other groups in the country.

The ethos of Cebuano enterprise is said to be one such quality.

What defines the Cebuano as entrepreneur?

Geography and history are the large answers. Cebu's character has been shaped by its maritime location in the heart of the archipelago, straddling trade routes that connected islands and these islands to distant ports in Asia and, by the sixteenth century, Europe. A moderately-sized island dominated by a jagged, saw-toothed mountain range, it is not well-endowed for agriculture. Slightly less that 30 percent of the islands is suited to agriculture. It is relatively dry, and its soil derives from porous limestone materials.

For these reasons, Cebu has always been turned towards the sea, and what lies beyond it. It was as a trade center that the port of Cebu (Cebu City) already had a wide reputation before the Spanish coming. In pre-colonial Cebu, foreign vessels registered, paid harbor fees, and loaded such merchandises as pearls, coral, gold, and forest products, in exchange for goods like Chinese jars and cotton blankets. Much of this trade consisted of goods that did not originate in Cebu, showing that Cebu was less a producer than an agent of goods from an economic hinterland extending beyond the island itself.

The commercial ethos of Cebuanos is shown in their language. Even in the sixteenth century there was a rich vocabulary of trade, specifying terms of exchange (angkat, tunay, tongtong), types of goods involved (botong, bakal, tangway), economic alliances (bakas, samuhan), and customs regulations (doong, gaga, himongkog).

While many of these words are no longer known to today's urban Cebuano, the business ethos has remained. It is interesting to note that when Rajah Tupas surrendered to Legazpi, the treaty of June 4, 1565 specified that Cebuanos and Spaniards would conduct trade on a reciprocal basis, that Cebuanos would sell to the Spaniards food supplies at local prices, and that they would aid each other against their enemies and divide equally all boot acquired from joint ventures. To what extent did Tupas and his men view the treaty as "business as usual" rather than an act of submission to foreign rule?

It did not turn out to be business-as-usual, at least in the next two centuries. The Spaniards disrupted trading patterns, interdicted foreign trade, exacted tributes and established monopolies. Cebu declined as a regional trade center and stagnated into the backwaters of the Spanish colony.

When the economic and political climate changed in the 19th century – as liberal state policies were introduced and a new world market demanded the tropical crops the archipelago could produce – Cebu's economy was revitalized. In 1860, Cebu was opened to international trade and Cebu's merchant spirit surged. This time, the local economic elite included a new element, Chinese and Chinese-mestizo entrepreneurs who took a leading role in such facets of the economy as agricultural production, real estate speculation, shipping and finance.

Craft production is an old Cebuano tradition. Most Cebuanos are expected to learn a craft as they grow up. In fact, rural children usually make their own toys. As they mature, the rural men participate in the building of their own houses, or mend fishing nets, always conscious that the craftsman makes objects that are sometimes for his own use, or in other times for sale. The tradition of working with the hands has served Cebu well. The high quality of Cebuano craftsmanship is a source of Cebuano pride. Locals love showing off "Made in Cebu" items with a flourish.

Cebu is more than economic center of the south. It is the center of the Cebuano soul. Literature, drama, and the theater in Cebuano exist but wait for a rebirth. There has, however, been a musical renaissance in Cebu in the past few years. Religious music written by unknown musicians is being discovered in dusty church archives. The Missa Baclayana, a 19th century Mass written in Cebuano specifically for the choir of Baclayon Church in neighboring Bohol was discovered in 1997, transcribed and premiered the following year at a Music Festival in Bohol. In its few years of existence, the Cebu Youth Symphony Orchestra has become one of the primary orchestras in the country and the only one outside of Manila.

Cebu offers more that the usual beaches and resorts, beautiful that they actually are, that it has become known for. However to experience Cebu it takes leaving the planned environments of hotels and resorts and to wander among its people. Then an understanding of what Cebu is all about will cone.

So the way to experience Cebu is to mingle among the people, and to wade into the city and province in the same manner that history, trade, and influences have all waded ashore to Cebu, "sugbo" in the Cebuano language. The Cebuano historian Resil Mojares said that "The name sugbo means to "walk on water," a reference to how those who came to the settlement by seacraft had to wade ashore as the shallow waters prevented boats from reaching dry land. The name is evocative of arrivals, of the island as a destination, connected to points beyond its shores."

There is more to the Cebuano lifestyle that what appears on the surface. It takes digging under the covers to discover what Cebu is really like, and Cebu really is like no other.

Sleepwalker

March 9th, 2011, 03:45 PM

densyo

March 11th, 2011, 05:00 AM

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‘Open Plaza Independencia on May 1’
3/11/2011
By Edison A. Delos Angeles, Correspondent

Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama ordered the Parks and Playground Commission headed by Dr. Librado Macaraya to open the newly restored Plaza Independencia on May 1.

“There has to be a target (date) so that we will have a basis to have someone answer when the target is not met,” Rama said in a press conference.

“With the target set, they must try hard to meet it.”

The mayor said work was going as planned but he worried about unpredictable weather that may slow down progress and a May 1 opening.

Formerly called Plaza Libertad, Plaza Independencia has been renovated so that it now affords a view of the nearby Malacañang of the South and the Cebu harbor.

The renovation was aimed at “bringing back the old state of Plaza Independencia where everything is plain,” Macaraya said.

The plaza was shut down and parts of the landscape demolished when the South Reclamation Project tunnel was built below it.

The plaza was the site of the old Gobierno Provincia (provincial government) and was dominated by the obelisk of Spanish conquistador Miguel Lopez de Legaspi.

Vicente Gador Acompanado was hired as electric consultant and Carlos Pio Zafra as project coordinator of the Plaza Independencia and Fort San Pedro rehabilitation and development project for six months.

Renovation cost was pegged at P16.9 million.

Rama said no vendors are allowed in the plaza.

Officials are also renovating nearby Fort San Pedro, the oldest fort in the Philippines.

Fort San Pedro executive director Lourdes Ann Limpangug said they will construct a stairway behind the fort so the area can be used for activities in addition to the courtyard.

“We are happy to inform you that for the year 2010, the collection of (entrance fees) for Fort San Pedro has increased to P5.8 million or much higher than 2008 and 2009 combined,” Limpangug said.

At least 500 tourists visit Fort San Pedro daily, making it one of the most visited heritage sites in the region.

“We could associate the rise in the number of visitors to the guards that we have detailed in the area. Tourists feel secure,” Limpangug said.

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Plaza reopens to public May 1
By Garry B. Lao/WAB (The Freeman)
Updated March 11, 2011 12:00 AM

CEBU, Philippines - After several years of not serving its purpose as a park due to the construction of the tunnel underneath it, the historic Plaza Independencia will finally be reopened to the public on May 1.

Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama has instructed Geety Realty Construction, which undertook the rehabilitation of the plaza, and the Parks and Playground Commission to fast-track the rehabilitation so they could finish it by the target date.

“Naa ta’y deadline ug target date nga ilang mahuman aron naa ta’y basihan nga ato unyang panilngan,” Rama told reporters during his press conference yesterday.

Plaza Independencia was destroyed in 2007 due to the construction of the tunnel, thus the need for a major renovation to restore the park, which is one of the city’s landmarks.

The mayor said the park has to be preserved because it is part of the city’s cultural heritage.

The plaza’s major renovation, which covers site grading, landscaping, lighting, plumbing among others, cost the city government some P40 million.

The fencing, which cost P1.3 million, was finished last year while the whole grounds—including the war veterans’ monument, Legaspi obelisk, Magsaysay monument and a fountain—is almost done.

Rama has identified the Plaza Independencia renovation as one of his administration’s major projects. The preservation of heritage sites, open spaces and parks are important for Cebu City, he said, for a better quality of life for urban residents and to make Cebu a more welcoming destination for tourists.

The perimeter fencing for the Plaza Independencia, which costs P1.39 million, was completed early October.

But with the opening of the historical place, Rama said the plaza will be strictly off limit for vendors.

“Mababoy man gud ang plaza if naa’y mamaligya,” the mayor said.

Dr. Librado Macaraya, chairman of the Cebu City Parks and Playground Commission, said they are hurrying to finish and reach their target for the opening of the plaza to the public by May.

With the renovation, Macaraya said they are also planning to install CCTV cameras and increase the security in the area considering that it is a popular hangout of the public.

Plaza Independencia is strategically located between Fort San Pedro and the building that used to be the Gobierno Provincial in the downtown area of Cebu.

In the early 1600s, it was called Plaza de Armas. When it was widened later on and expanded to reach nearby properties of the Cathedral of Cebu, it was called Plaza Mayor.

Later in the Spanish rule, it was further landscaped and developed and was christened Plaza Maria Cristina, in honor of the queen regent.

During the American colonial period, its name was changed to Plaza Libertad, as the Americans asserted how they liberated Cebuanos from the Spanish rule. Later on it finally became known as Plaza Independencia. (FREEMAN)

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Construction firm rushes to beat deadline for Plaza rehab project
By Princess Dawn Felicitas
Friday, March 11, 2011

THE renovation of Plaza Independencia is being rushed by the contractor to beat the deadline set by Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama, who wants the park opened to the public by May 1.

Dr. Librado Macaraya of the Cebu City Parks and Playgrounds Commission said Geety Realty and Development Corp. is rushing the rehabilitation work of the plaza to meet the deadline set by Rama.

But he admitted that the contractor is having a hard time finishing the plaza’s makeover by Labor Day due to erratic weather conditions.

“Sometimes it rains and sometimes it’s hot. The weather is very unpredictable, and it gives the contractor a hard time because they are now doing concreting works,” Macaraya told reporters yesterday.

He assured, though, that they will do their best to beat the deadline.

“We will do our best because that’s what the mayor wants,” he said.

Once the renovation is completed, Rama said vendors will no longer be allowed to sell inside the park.

“When the plaza opens, no one will be allowed to go inside to sell because that will result in littering and it will not be good because we prepared this plaza for the public to enjoy,” the mayor said.

Last year, the City appropriated some P40 million for the park’s beautification and rehabilitation.

According to the program of works and estimates prepared by the Department of Engineering and Public Works, the amount covers excavation and earthworks, site grading, fencing, plumbing and electrical works.

In 2007, Plaza Independencia was removed to make way for the construction of the subway portion of the Cebu South Coastal Road, thus the need for a major renovation to restore the park, which is one of the city’s landmarks.

[I]Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on March 11, 2011.

densyo

March 11th, 2011, 05:00 AM

densyo

March 11th, 2011, 06:08 AM

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A landmark in Balamban, Cebu undergoes renovation
by Myna Marish Y. Conception

BALAMBAN, Cebu, March 11 (PIA) -- The Saint Francis of Assisi Parish Church, one of the landmarks of Balamban town undergoes renovation.

Saint Francis of Assisi Parish priest, Rev. Fr. Lemuel Ejercito shared that the church is always In the process of formation and renewal.

The beautification of the landmark started on January 8, 2011. Scaffoldings can now be seen inside and outside the church while the façade is now being repainted.

The churchgoers must be open to changes in order to be renewed. With this project, people get to immerse with other people, Fr. Ejercito smiled.

Fr. Ejercito said the renovation was made possible through the help of a project development committee spearheaded by Rev. Fr. Raul Gallego, VF and Dir. Recaredo Borgonia as the overall project managers.

Archt. Ramon N. Vios, Jr. leads the technical committee with the new design in a tarpaulin posted at the church premises.

The renovation project aims not only to beautify the building but also to give Balambanganons a sense of identity and belongingness as well as bringing back the spirit of unity, harmony, camaraderie and love with God and with each other.

The Balambanganons are glad to see the changes in the physical structure of the building as well as the changes in the relationship with one another in working hand in hand for the fulfillment of this project.

A landmark indeed not only in structural renovation but also in spiritual renewal! (PIA-7/Balamban LGU)

densyo

March 11th, 2011, 06:08 AM

Wolfranz

March 11th, 2011, 06:10 AM

STRUCTURAL RENOVATION?????

Wolfranz

March 11th, 2011, 06:10 AM

STRUCTURAL RENOVATION?????

densyo

March 19th, 2011, 01:35 AM

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Past Forward
Saving a house and those rain trees
By Jobers Bersales
Cebu Daily News

First Posted 11:41:00 03/17/2011

There is understandable jitters among tree huggers, heritage advocates and residents along the national highway from Tinaan, Naga to Perrelos, Carcar town these days. No less than the wife of a chief executive from among the affected cities/municipalities called my attention to the plans of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) to begin the widening of this narrow and dangerous strip of the highway. I also received a Facebook message recently from one concerned citizen also on this matter.

In the public hearings that have been carried out, DPWH officials had presented some options regarding the plan, which is expected to affect one side of the scores of rain trees (scientific name Enterolobium saman) that have made this narrow strip a very pleasing sight to behold and a much photographed section. There is also a lone balay’ng bato beside the public elementary school in Tinaan almost hugging the highway that is being planned for demolition as it is well inside the 20-meter road right of way (RROW) there.

I called up Engr. Daisy Toledo, chief of the DPWH 2nd engineering district to inquire on the status of this project. She told me that her district is now negotiating RROW with occupants and squatters, which means that the project is expected to push through, although the date has not been fixed by the national office of DPWH.

My concern has to do with the fate of the rain trees and the balay’ng bato or coral stone house on the ground floor and hardwood on the second floor. These trees were planted early in the previous century, while the house is clearly a rare remnant of late Spanish period architecture in Cebu. In the 1915 issue of the BPW Bulletin, in fact, Engr. Clyde Russell, the Cebu district engineer of the Bureau of Public Works (BPW), forerunner of the DPWH, reported that 98 kilometers of first class roads in Cebu had been successfully planted with rain trees, and I assume these trees are all that have remained of what Rusell was referring to.

Engr. Toledo is no stranger to the balling of trees that happened at the Plaza Independencia when the SRP Subway Tunnel Project was carried out by Kajima Corporation. She told me this is one option for the rain trees. In fact, she told me that the DPWH has included the possibility of balling and transferring some of the affected trees to continue the visual impact that these trees have provided this section of the highway for decades now.

Unfortunately, for the balay’ng bato, there is no other way according to her but to tear it down although I still think there must be a point where the road can be diverted; the costs would be higher, of course. Then too, heritage and conservation experts can help move this structure, perhaps to a prime position in the plaza of Naga and rebuild it there, assuming the local government will buy it from the owner while it is still standing. And so I earnestly request Naga Mayor Valdemar Chiong and the local heritage council there to intervene and see if the structure can still be saved where it is and, if not, to see if the owner is willing to transfer the entire structure to a government property where it can be turned into a precious reminder of a part of Naga’s history.

This is, of course, easier said than done but with architects and engineers around — and with the experience of other countries, there is no question that this can be done, piece by piece, stone by stone and plank by precious plank.

Heritage is not a hindrance to development and heritage advocates are not hard-headed blokes who will stick to an untenable position, especially where public safety is paramount. But I also suggest to DPWH — and by extension, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR), which has custodianship over these centennial rain trees — to continue to be open to the possibilities that will in the end make for a happy and agreeable compromise.

densyo

March 19th, 2011, 01:35 AM

densyo

March 19th, 2011, 01:53 AM

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Project won’t affect ancestral houses, but giant acacia trees may have to go
By Garry A. Cabotaje and Rizel S. Adlawan
Saturday, March 19, 2011

NOT one old ancestral house in Carcar City, Cebu will be affected by the road-widening project of the Department of Public Works and Highways, Mayor Nicepuro Apura said yesterday.

But the assurance will not stop the Carcar Heritage and Conservation Society from filing a petition against the project.

Val Sandiego, past president and member of the group’s board of directors, said they will ask for help from Rep. Eduardo Gullas (Cebu, First District) and Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia.

“We hope they can help us,” Sandiego told Sun.Star Cebu yesterday.

He said they will not just sit down and allow the DPWH to implement the project.

He said they have worked hard to preserve the city’s old houses and Carcar’s Rotunda, and lobbied against a road widening project before.

He said the century-old trees in Barangay Perrelos are also part of the governor’s expanded Green and Wholesome Environment that Nurtures Our Cebu Program of the Capitol.

He said preservation of Cebu’s heritage should be considered in development issues.

But Apura said the project will not reach the area where the ancestral houses are located.

He said the last point of the proposed road expansion project is at Gaisano-Carcar in Sitio Awayan, Barangay Pobla-cion 3. The project will start from Tinaan Bridge in the City of Naga, stretching about 15 kilometers.

So, all the ancestral houses, which have been recognized as historical landmarks, will be spared because these are situated in the heart of the City of Carcar in Barangays Poblacion 1 and 2, Apura said.

Carcar City has its existing ordinance protecting its heritage houses.

Moving?

But the case of the centuries-old Acacia trees that line the highway in Barangay Perrelos may be different.

Apura did not discount possibility that these giant trees may have to give way for the road-expansion project.

The mayor said the fate of the roadside Acacia trees, which served as Carcar’s natural landmarks for years, lies in the hands of the Department of Environment of Natural Resources (DENR).

He preferred that the trees be uprooted and replanted to an ideal location so they could be preserved.

“I heard it will cost P700,000 per tree for their removal and transfer. I believe the concerned agencies like the DENR will coordinate with DPWH on this matter,” Apura said.

But he also cited the need to widen the highway in Carcar to cope with the growing traffic and population in the city and in Metro Cebu.

Apura said the construction of a diversion road project, designed to avoid traffic congestion in Carcar’s rotunda, is now ongoing.

But the 1.29-kilometer new road network, which costs about P8 million, has encountered a temporary setback due to lack of funding.

Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on March 19, 2011.

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Gwen on cutting century trees along roads ‘No way’
3/19/2011
By Carmel Loise Matus, Marian Z. Codilla and Candeze Mongaya

Cebu Gov. Gwen Garcia expressed surprise over CEBU DAILY NEWS’ report that century-old trees in Carcar and a coral stone heritage house would be destroyed as part of road-widening plans of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) in south Cebu.
She said she wasn’t aware of this threat.

“We will lose part of our heritage,” she said.

She set a meeting with the DPWH and invited mayors of Carcar and Naga Cities, where the road project will traverse.

“I brought this up with (Naga) Mayor Val Chiong. I invited him to join our meeting with DPWH as well as Carcar kay dili ni mahimo (this cannot be),” she said.

“I will listen and find a way to conserve these.”

The potential loss of large acacia and rain trees, which form a scenic canopy over the two-lane road, and a Spanish-era “balay na bato” was reported in CDN after heritage consultant Jobers Bersales called attention to the threat.

Cebu City former councilor Sylvan “Jack” Jakosalem said the trees should be preserved as a natural “wonder.”

He said it was his grandfather, former Cebu governor Dionisio Jakosalem, who ordered the planting of rain trees along the side of the south Cebu road sometime in 1915.

“I remember my father, who passed away 1982, every time we pass those shaded areas. He would tell us our grandfather had those trees planted by the public works bureau, but the trees were (planted) all the way along the road before. At least some stretches are still left.”

“My grandfather ordered them to planted for shade and it worked. It’s in a book my dad let me read long time ago,” Jakosalem said in a text message sent to CEBU DAILY NEWS.

Before any tree is cut, the DPWH must get cutting permit from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) or else face administrative sanctions, said Leo Remitar of the Forest Management Services of the DENR regional office.

He said the trees should be saved for their cultural significance because they are “symbolic and reminiscent of Cebu’s past.”

He said transferring the trees by “earth balling” or removing the entire tree carefully to preserve the roots and trunk could be an option if the highway has to be widened.

densyo

March 19th, 2011, 01:53 AM

MatudNilaBaby

March 19th, 2011, 04:25 AM

MatudNilaBaby

March 19th, 2011, 04:25 AM

archaeologue

March 19th, 2011, 11:06 AM

IBUTANG NANG MGA CENTURIES OLD TREES SA TUNGA IN BETWEEN LANES KAY MAO NALANG GYUD INTAWON NA ATONG KABILIN. ANYWAY BAYARAN MAN LANDOWNERS NGA MAAGIAN SA MAONG WIDENING. WANTED TREE HUGGERS!

I was told that this is exactly what DPWH is planning to do, use the trees on the Perrelos section as the center line for the planned widening.

archaeologue

March 19th, 2011, 11:06 AM

MatudNilaBaby

March 19th, 2011, 09:32 PM

I was told that this is exactly what DPWH is planning to do, use the trees on the Perrelos section as the center line for the planned widening.

goood kay nag noway noway na raba si gwen

MatudNilaBaby

March 19th, 2011, 09:32 PM

I was told that this is exactly what DPWH is planning to do, use the trees on the Perrelos section as the center line for the planned widening.

goood kay nag noway noway na raba si gwen

densyo

March 20th, 2011, 03:03 AM

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DENR chief to decide fate of century trees
3/20/2011

IT is up to Environment Secretary Ramon Paje to decide whether to allow the cutting of trees along the highway from Naga to Carcar cities, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources in Central Visayas (DENR-7) said.

DENR-7 Regional Executive Director Maximo Dischoso said they have two options in dealing with the century-old trees which may be cut down as part of a road-widening project by the Department of Public Works and Highways in Central Visayas (DPWH-7).

He said they would suggest “earth balling” the trees or trimming them. Earth balling consists of removing the entire tree and preserving the roots and trunks in a “ball.”

Dichoso said the DPWH is required to submit a request for inventory or tree-charting to the DENR.

Tree-charting involves identifying the trees and measuring their height and diameter.

This was based on Presidential Decree No. 953 or the Guidelines and Procedures on the planting, maintenance and removal of trees in areas affected by the government projects.

If the trees are more than 50 years old, then it is the environment secretary that would issue permits for their removal, Dichoso said.

The inventory would be done by the Community Environment and Natural Resources Office (CENRO) of Cebu city and a DENR-7 forester.

The DPWH would then request for a cutting permit which includes photographs of the trees to be removed, the inventory, and an Environmental Compliance Certificate (ECC).

The requirements would be forwarded to the the DENR central office along with the inventory.

The huge trees, which form a graceful green canopy that greets motorists traveling south, were planted in 1915 by the former Bureau of Public works, the DPWH’s predecessor.

The trees, which are mostly acacia has been declared as heritage tree after the Heritage Tree Program, was launched last 2009 and certified by the National Historical Commission.

Cebu Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia opposed the removal of the century trees and said she will meet with DPWH officials and other officials concerned about the case. /Reporter Candeze R. Mongaya

densyo

March 20th, 2011, 03:03 AM

densyo

March 20th, 2011, 03:18 AM

Saving those Colonial Trees
Jose Eleazar "Jobers" R. Bersales
(March 2011 Kabilin Column, Sugbo News)

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One of the most photographed sections of Cebu province is the short stretch of Perrelos, Carcar where one basks, albeit briefly, under the shade of what we all call Acacia trees while on a leisurely drive.

My curiosity was piqued when someone, who will remain anonymous for now, called my attention to the on-going plans of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) to widen the large sections of the National Highway from Naga to Carcar, which will certainly affect these trees as well as an ancestral house made of coral stone and hardwood that hugs the highway along Tinaan, Naga. I understand that DPWH has indicated in one of the public hearings among affected residents that it plans to get a permit from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) to cut down the trees on one side and leave those on the other.

If the record of DPWH is to be scrutinized then I see no hope for tree huggers and heritage advocates alike: the same rain trees that lined both the highway leading to Angeles City, Pampanga and at Silliman Avenue in Silliman University got the axe (if not the bulldozers) and gave way to development. After all, the argument that safety is paramount is always paramount.

Nonetheless, before these trees go---and I hope only after a through soul-searching and an agonizing and gut-wrenching debate on the pros and cons of saving these trees and that lonely ancestral house---let me go back in to the very records of the DPWH in the prewar years to provide some background behind these trees.

“Considerable progress has been made during the past six months in tree planting of first-class roads. Some 98 kilometers of road have been planted with various kinds of trees, 39 kilometers being planted in coconuts, 58 kilometers in acacia, and 1 kilometer with lumbang. This work will be continued until all the first and a large part of the second-class roads are planted.”

Thus reported Engr. Claude Russell, the district engineer of the Bureau of Public Works (BPW), forerunner of the DPWH, in its Bulletin for January 1, 1915. In its 1912 issue, the same newsletter also made some corrections on the erroneous naming of the rain tree (scientific name, Enterolobium saman) as the Acacia tree (Mimosa saman). Whatever the case, we now have a definite date for these trees now being planned for destruction.

There is an alternative to cutting them down, tough, albeit quite a costly one. Three or four rain trees that were along the path of the SRP subway tunnel were balled for months and then removed by cranes and planted away from the area. Later, they were returned to the same spot where they used to grow. Now they are thriving happily. The cost was in the millions and DPWH supervised the entire process.

So why not ball these trees and move them further away from the new lanes to be added along this busy thoroughfare? At least the cost is lesser because these trees will stay where they will be replanted and not returned any longer to their original locations.

This is where heritage, tourism and development can meet at a compromise. It may add costs but the heritage and historical significance as well as the touristic and visual value that these trees have not just for Perrelos and other areas along this route but for the entire province of Cebu, merit this alternative. Otherwise, we lose a part of what makes Cebu truly a wonder to behold.

densyo

March 20th, 2011, 03:18 AM

densyo

March 20th, 2011, 03:24 AM

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Tabada: To the trees of Perrelos
By Mayette Tabada
Matamata
Saturday, March 19, 2011

“DON’T they want oxygen?”

That’s a question exasperated student Preran Chowdary asked his forest minister when the Indian government publicly announced its plan to cut trees to transform a 60-feet road into an eight-lane superhighway in Bangalore, India.

According to a Nov. 10, 2010 article posted on www.ndtv.com, modernization rationalizes the removal of 856 trees, averaging about 40 years old, that are in the way of making “leafy Jayamahal road” smoother for traffic.

A nongovernment organization has contested the government estimate, saying the trees to be felled are nearly 1,200. About 2,000 students and residents vowed to form human chains to protect the trees.

The government’s answer to the tree huggers? Oxygen is nice but we want development.

The irony of trading off fresh air, shade and green heritage for road right of way (RROW), air and noise pollution and vehicular accidents is always lost when translated by those drawing up blueprints and spending public funds.

The fate of the Jayamahal trees may also fall on the trees of Perrelos if the Department of Public Works and Highways implements a road-widening project in Carcar.

Even if you’ve never taken a ride to the south of Cebu, you might still see a glimpse of the trees of Perrelos in coffee table books or travel articles. No photo or flight of praise can do justice to the majesty of this green corridor, a rare experience in this extensively denuded and severely eroded island.

Even in a cramped, creaking mini-bus whose windows’ size and placement were designed for the comfort of Snow White’s Seven Dwarfs, an adult can, with flexibility and perseverance, glimpse the symmetry and grace of the great trunks arching across the road to form a green vault, shot through with golden filaments of sunlight or mist-wreathed on a rainy early morning ride.

Once, on a ride back to Cebu City, I had to get out of our vehicle and stand under those trees while my companions lined up and peed. To the sound of tinkling and much sighing, I looked up. I saw not just a hint of sky but my first intimation that the mortal is just a mote in the gaze of eternity.

Like tree-hugging, remembering one’s place in the web of life may seem loony to those whose visions require them to always look down at modernization plans and check the bottom line.

According to the theory of inevitability, development is rational and inescapable. First, roads targeted for RROW clearing connect to a national highway and international airport, as in Bangalore. Second, traffic levels reach at least 3,500 passenger car units (PCU) per hour, which calls for decongestion.

Lastly, tree-cutters always promise to plant trees to keep the “green tag.”

With some tweaking, the same development theory may be copied and pasted in Carcar. It’s “inevitable” to find P8 million to decongest the traffic clogging Carcar’s rotunda, but not the P700,000 required to remove and transfer a tree.

Bangalore protesters claim that road-widening will not keep vehicle traffic from growing. Wider roads pose difficulties for children, elderly, disabled, and pedestrians, too.

Did road expansion ever inspire a poem? When I looked up the trees of Perrelos, my insipid youth gave voice to my awe by reciting Joyce Kilmer’s “Trees”: “I think that I shall never see/ A poem lovely as a tree.”

A few days ago, my cousin Ito posted on Facebook these lines written by Rainer Maria Rilke: “Through the empty branches the sky remains./ It is what you have./ Be earth now, and evensong./ Be the ground lying under that sky. / Be modest now, like a thing/ ...ripened until it is real,/ so that he who began it all/ can feel you when he reaches for you.”

If road-widening cannot awe me into silence, why can it reduce me to tears?

(mayette.tabada@gmail.com/ mayettetabada.blogspot.com/ 09173226131)

Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on March 20, 2011.

densyo

March 20th, 2011, 03:24 AM

Ka_Bino

March 20th, 2011, 04:41 PM

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Ka_Bino

March 20th, 2011, 04:41 PM

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densyo

March 21st, 2011, 12:12 AM

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Editorial: Save the Perrelos trees
Sunday, March 20, 2011

IN THE 1990s, a first-time visitor touring Chiang Mai was overwhelmed by the myriad attractions offered by the northern capital of Thailand.

Handicrafts, night market bargains, orchids, temples, nature parks. However, all these faded to the background when she viewed the massive teak trees marching endlessly along the roads. The girth and years of the trees were emphasized by the orange ribbons tied around the trunks.

According to Thai guide Nattaya, teak trees are protected by law and community vigilance. Previously, teak tree logging was lucrative, providing a living for mahouts, the handlers who directed elephants to drag felled trees for processing.

Before its banning, logging thinned teak stands. Today, massive specimens still stand in Thailand and protected teak forests guarantee local stocks.

After the ban on logging, mahouts are employed in elephant shows, where tourists watch the animals demonstrate their log-hauling abilities and line up for elephant-riding and elephant tours. The teak trees are a major feature in the national parks and walking tours.

Minimize harm

Chiang Mai’s seamless blending of tourism, ecology and commerce is a good model for Carcar to emulate. A road-widening project of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) may affect Carcar City’s heritage landmarks.

According to the March 19 report of Sun.Star Cebu’s Garry A. Cabotaje and Rizel S. Adlawan, the Carcar Heritage and Conservation Society will file a petition against the project and seek the help of politicians to prevent the DPWH from harming the city’s cultural and natural heritage landmarks, particularly the Spanish-era houses, Rotunda, and nearly century-old acacia trees lining the main roads.

The fate of the massive acacias lining a “green corridor” of the highway passing Barangay Perrelos is precarious, with Mayor Nicepuro Apura voicing the “possibility that these giant trees may have to give way for the road-expansion project.”

Many oppose the cutting of the trees. Two community pages were created on the social network site, Facebook (FB). As of the afternoon of March 20, “Save the Trees along the Highway” had 100 people liking the site. Another page, “Save the century-old Trees in NAGA,” drew 147 “likes.”

“We have to do something,” commented Ofelia Zozobrado Sandiego on the “Save the Trees along the Highway” FB page. “No other place or town has this kind of scenery (where) acacia trees are lined up... do you think that… cutting these trees would solve the traffic problem or will it just enrich other peoples’ pockets by enforcing this project.!!!”

Seeing the forest

Critics point out that solving traffic congestion by eliminating the acacia trees, with its important ecological, heritage and tourism value, is a case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

Balikbayan June-Marie Dosdos posted on the two FB community pages that the tree-lined area in Perrelos has warmed her heart during the times she has driven down south. “Why do they feel like they have to destroy something as beautiful as this before we can have what they call progress??? I believe this to be one step forward and 100 steps back,” commented Dosdos on the “Save the century-old Trees in NAGA” FB page.

“Progress at the expense of our environment will hurt us in the end in the form of flood, erosion and loss of homes and lives,” observed Luwalhati Castro in the two FB pages.

The community, as majority stakeholders, clamors that DPWH and local officials consider their views and look into other viable, less damaging alternatives for solving the traffic flow to the south.

The solution of the Carcar case puts into focus the government’s commitment to the Millennium Development Goals (MDG), particularly the 7th MDG, which is on ensuring environmental sustainability.

According to the United Nations Development Programme Philippines website (www.undp.org.ph), the country has achieved only medium success in MDG 7, which aims to protect the ecosystem, with targets for forest and upland, coastal and marine, urban ecosystem, freshwater, lowland and agricultural, minerals and biodiversity.

Last March 19, Sun.Star Cebu’s Rebelander S. Basilan and Bernadette A. Parco reported that President Benigno Aquino III has ordered the implementation of the National Greening Program. To help achieve the planting of 1.5 billion trees by 2016, the Department of Education will require each pupil to plant a tree every month starting this March.

Executive Order 26, which integrates past tree-planting initiatives, such as the Upland Development Program and Luntiang Pilipinas, also requires government employees to plant at least 10 seedlings every year.

If the government is serious about its green commitments, it should save the acacia trees of Perrelos, now facing the most serious threat in its almost 100 years of existence.

Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on March 21, 2011.

densyo

March 21st, 2011, 12:12 AM

densyo

March 21st, 2011, 12:23 AM

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No demolition of sites, no tree-cutting—solon
3/21/2011
By Marian Z. Codilla, Reporter

Not one tree will be cut nor one heritage house torn down once a road widening project from Naga to Carcar cities is implemented, said Rep. Eduardo Gullas of Cebu's 1st district.

Gullas, proponent of the two-lane road project, said he envisioned widening the road heading to southern Cebu since 1992.

About 100 trees and six heritage houses lie along the roads from Naga to Carcar cities.

“My idea is to widen it but on the mandate that no trees will be cut. How the engineers will do it? They have to find ways and means. (The DPWH Secretary said it is a tall order) But I told him that’s what I want and that’s what the people want,” he said.

The first phase of the road widening project that started from Bulacao, Talisay City to Naga amounted to P513 million and was finished in 2006.

The second phase which covers a 20-kilometer stretch from Naga to Carcar and is budgeted at P270 million has yet to be implemented..

The entire P783 million budget for the road-widening project was only approved in 2003 after recommendation by the National Economic and Development Authority (Neda).

The Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) 2nd Engineering District started its survey on the structures to be affected and briefed residents on the project.

These residents told CEBU DAILY NEWS in a random interview they support the project.

They said they can’t do anything about saving the heritage houses and century-old trees.

But Gullas said the project's second phase was delayed because they haven’t figured out how to implement it without destroying the heritage houses and the precious trees.

“There are many heritage houses and I have met many heritage organizations of Carcar and I promised them no infrastructure will be made in Carcar that will destroy the heritage houses,” Gullas said.

Assistant District Engr. Suzette Nwanaka said the department will have to conduct feasibility studies to consider other options to improve the roads such as creating a parallel road from Valladolid and exit to Poblacion Carcar.

He said this would bypass the heritage houses and make the century-old trees a center island.

Provincial Engr. Eulogio Pelayre suggested building road islands in the national highway to incorporate the century-old trees and spare them from being cut down.

“It may cost a lot but there is enough space in the area..there are a lot of options,” said Pelayre. With Reporter Dale G. Israel

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Carcar's old trees, houses to be spared from road widening
By Garry B. Lao/BRP (The Freeman) Updated March 21, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (0)

CEBU, Philippines - The century-old trees and ancestral houses along the 20-kilometer road from Naga City to Carcar City will not be affected as there will be no road widening in the area, according to Cebu Rep. Eduardo Gullas of the first district.

“Cut trees? No way. We will not allow any destruction of the houses there, they are priceless,” Gullas told reporters. The press conference was attended by Mayor Valdemar Chiong of Naga City, Mayor Nicepuro Apura of Carcar City and the Department of Public Works and Highways regional officials.

The trees that motorists see traveling south were planted in 1915 by the personnel of the Bureau of Public Works, the DPWH’s predecessor.

The DPWH plans to widen the two-lane road to four lanes, which has a P27-million budget, to accommodate the increasing volume of traffic in their area.A check with the General Appropriations Act of 2010 shows a P27-million outlay for the widening and removal of obstruction encroachment within the road right of way from the Naga to Carcar section.

The proposed road-widening project will end near a mall in Carcar City. But Gullas instructed the DPWH that the road widening in the area should bypass Barangay Villadolid to Carcar City proper.

However, he said that the proposal still has a long way to go since the DPWH will have to conduct feasibility study.

“Dugay pa ni mahitabo,” Gullas added. — (FREEMAN)

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Bypass road eyed to save Carcar’s trees
By Justin K. Vestil
Monday, March 21, 2011

EVEN though he was one of the key proponents of the Cebu South Road widening project, Rep. Eduardo Gullas said yesterday he will not allow old acacia trees along the Naga-Carcar road to be cut.

“No way! I also won’t allow the destruction of heritage homes in Carcar as they are priceless treasures of the city,” said Gullas.

The first district congressman met with Naga City Mayor Valdemar Chiong, Carcar City Mayor Nicepuro Apura and officials of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) yesterday.

While there is a need to expand the roads, Gullas said he will not risk the destruction of heritage sites and trees that make Carcar a viable tourist attraction.

As an alternative to the original plan of a four-lane road, he will ask for a feasibility study on putting up a bypass route, in order to save the trees.

The bypass route would cross from Barangay Valladolid then go toward the coastal area, exiting in Poblacion.

P27M ready

He added that Mayor Apura had made proposals about another bypass route just before Barangay Poblacion in Carcar City, but this time, crossing the hillside barangays.

The feasibility study is still being tackled by the National Economic Development Authority (Neda) Board and their Investment Coordination Committee (Neda-ICC).

Gullas said that last year, he set aside P27 million for the initial project payments and is asking DPWH to use those funds for materials in this year’s construction work.

The P27 million comes from the General Appropriations Act of 2010 and was intended for the road right-of-way from Naga to Carcar.

The project, conceptualized by Gullas in 1993, was “in a gestation period” until 2003, when it was finally approved by Neda.

Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on March 21, 2011.

densyo

March 21st, 2011, 12:23 AM

johnada

March 21st, 2011, 01:29 AM

What a great ploy, to choose between the trees which will be destroyed in a road widening or the ricefields which will be destroyed in the diversion road. As the diversion road and relocation of the public market to the ricefields seem to have stalled, this is a a great strategy. Whichever it is, the sight of my hometown will be destroyed. The other great sight is the rise to the boundary of Carcar with the nipa palms surrounding the road.

johnada

March 21st, 2011, 01:29 AM

Ka_Bino

March 21st, 2011, 04:27 AM

Ka_Bino

March 21st, 2011, 04:27 AM

archaeologue

March 21st, 2011, 02:03 PM

The FB page i Started got into the Editorial
http://www.facebook.com/SaveTreesAlongHighway

people have texted me, ka bino, why i will not start my own campaign to save the trees when my column was what put this issue out to the public.

my answer is simple: by writing about it in two different columns, one for SugboNews (which I submitted first) and then CDN, it would be best to see others doing their share...

thanks for starting the fb page.

toti villalon has also sent a very important message of support addressed to the governor which i will present tomorrow.

there is also another forum in yahoo that is discussing the issue of those trees.

i hope people will deluge DPWH with letters, text messages, etc. to carry out the "center-line" option for the trees.

archaeologue

March 21st, 2011, 02:03 PM

majaba98

March 21st, 2011, 02:28 PM

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Gwen on cutting century trees along roads ‘No way’
3/19/2011
By Carmel Loise Matus, Marian Z. Codilla and Candeze Mongaya

Cebu Gov. Gwen Garcia expressed surprise over CEBU DAILY NEWS’ report that century-old trees in Carcar and a coral stone heritage house would be destroyed as part of road-widening plans of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) in south Cebu.
She said she wasn’t aware of this threat.

“We will lose part of our heritage,” she said.

She set a meeting with the DPWH and invited mayors of Carcar and Naga Cities, where the road project will traverse.

“I brought this up with (Naga) Mayor Val Chiong. I invited him to join our meeting with DPWH as well as Carcar kay dili ni mahimo (this cannot be),” she said.

“I will listen and find a way to conserve these.”

The potential loss of large acacia and rain trees, which form a scenic canopy over the two-lane road, and a Spanish-era “balay na bato” was reported in CDN after heritage consultant Jobers Bersales called attention to the threat.

Cebu City former councilor Sylvan “Jack” Jakosalem said the trees should be preserved as a natural “wonder.”

He said it was his grandfather, former Cebu governor Dionisio Jakosalem, who ordered the planting of rain trees along the side of the south Cebu road sometime in 1915.

“I remember my father, who passed away 1982, every time we pass those shaded areas. He would tell us our grandfather had those trees planted by the public works bureau, but the trees were (planted) all the way along the road before. At least some stretches are still left.”

“My grandfather ordered them to planted for shade and it worked. It’s in a book my dad let me read long time ago,” Jakosalem said in a text message sent to CEBU DAILY NEWS.

Before any tree is cut, the DPWH must get cutting permit from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) or else face administrative sanctions, said Leo Remitar of the Forest Management Services of the DENR regional office.

He said the trees should be saved for their cultural significance because they are “symbolic and reminiscent of Cebu’s past.”

He said transferring the trees by “earth balling” or removing the entire tree carefully to preserve the roots and trunk could be an option if the highway has to be widened.[/QUOTE]

Transfer them to Plaza Independencia and surroundings in Cebu City if they have to go !

majaba98

March 21st, 2011, 02:28 PM

archaeologue

March 21st, 2011, 03:39 PM

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Gwen on cutting century trees along roads ‘No way’
3/19/2011
By Carmel Loise Matus, Marian Z. Codilla and Candeze Mongaya

Cebu Gov. Gwen Garcia expressed surprise over CEBU DAILY NEWS’ report that century-old trees in Carcar and a coral stone heritage house would be destroyed as part of road-widening plans of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) in south Cebu.
She said she wasn’t aware of this threat.

“We will lose part of our heritage,” she said.

She set a meeting with the DPWH and invited mayors of Carcar and Naga Cities, where the road project will traverse.

“I brought this up with (Naga) Mayor Val Chiong. I invited him to join our meeting with DPWH as well as Carcar kay dili ni mahimo (this cannot be),” she said.

“I will listen and find a way to conserve these.”

The potential loss of large acacia and rain trees, which form a scenic canopy over the two-lane road, and a Spanish-era “balay na bato” was reported in CDN after heritage consultant Jobers Bersales called attention to the threat.

Cebu City former councilor Sylvan “Jack” Jakosalem said the trees should be preserved as a natural “wonder.”

He said it was his grandfather, former Cebu governor Dionisio Jakosalem, who ordered the planting of rain trees along the side of the south Cebu road sometime in 1915.

“I remember my father, who passed away 1982, every time we pass those shaded areas. He would tell us our grandfather had those trees planted by the public works bureau, but the trees were (planted) all the way along the road before. At least some stretches are still left.”

“My grandfather ordered them to planted for shade and it worked. It’s in a book my dad let me read long time ago,” Jakosalem said in a text message sent to CEBU DAILY NEWS.

Before any tree is cut, the DPWH must get cutting permit from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) or else face administrative sanctions, said Leo Remitar of the Forest Management Services of the DENR regional office.

He said the trees should be saved for their cultural significance because they are “symbolic and reminiscent of Cebu’s past.”

He said transferring the trees by “earth balling” or removing the entire tree carefully to preserve the roots and trunk could be an option if the highway has to be widened.

Transfer them to Plaza Independencia and surroundings in Cebu City if they have to go !

The plaza is already full. the city is also exploding with people and informal settlers at the seams. there is no more space for these huge trees, estimated to cost P9 millon each in terms of their heritage and signifcant value.

the best place would be right there where they are located. somewhere a few meters from their original spot. the less stress on the trees, the better for them.

but balling is also a very, very, very difficult process. even by moving the tree a few meters will already affect its growth pattern. if one looks at the three balled trees at plaza independencia, one will notice that the balled trees are barely grwing leaves because all their old branches had to be cut to reduce the requirement on water and nutrients.

these trees alone will take about 5 years to start growing really thick foliage.

and they were just moved a few meters then returned three years later.

in other words, this balling has to be done as a last resort compared to cutting them down.

archaeologue

March 21st, 2011, 03:39 PM

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Gwen on cutting century trees along roads ‘No way’
3/19/2011
By Carmel Loise Matus, Marian Z. Codilla and Candeze Mongaya

Cebu Gov. Gwen Garcia expressed surprise over CEBU DAILY NEWS’ report that century-old trees in Carcar and a coral stone heritage house would be destroyed as part of road-widening plans of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) in south Cebu.
She said she wasn’t aware of this threat.

“We will lose part of our heritage,” she said.

She set a meeting with the DPWH and invited mayors of Carcar and Naga Cities, where the road project will traverse.

“I brought this up with (Naga) Mayor Val Chiong. I invited him to join our meeting with DPWH as well as Carcar kay dili ni mahimo (this cannot be),” she said.

“I will listen and find a way to conserve these.”

The potential loss of large acacia and rain trees, which form a scenic canopy over the two-lane road, and a Spanish-era “balay na bato” was reported in CDN after heritage consultant Jobers Bersales called attention to the threat.

Cebu City former councilor Sylvan “Jack” Jakosalem said the trees should be preserved as a natural “wonder.”

He said it was his grandfather, former Cebu governor Dionisio Jakosalem, who ordered the planting of rain trees along the side of the south Cebu road sometime in 1915.

“I remember my father, who passed away 1982, every time we pass those shaded areas. He would tell us our grandfather had those trees planted by the public works bureau, but the trees were (planted) all the way along the road before. At least some stretches are still left.”

“My grandfather ordered them to planted for shade and it worked. It’s in a book my dad let me read long time ago,” Jakosalem said in a text message sent to CEBU DAILY NEWS.

Before any tree is cut, the DPWH must get cutting permit from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) or else face administrative sanctions, said Leo Remitar of the Forest Management Services of the DENR regional office.

He said the trees should be saved for their cultural significance because they are “symbolic and reminiscent of Cebu’s past.”

He said transferring the trees by “earth balling” or removing the entire tree carefully to preserve the roots and trunk could be an option if the highway has to be widened.

Transfer them to Plaza Independencia and surroundings in Cebu City if they have to go !

The plaza is already full. the city is also exploding with people and informal settlers at the seams. there is no more space for these huge trees, estimated to cost P9 millon each in terms of their heritage and signifcant value.

the best place would be right there where they are located. somewhere a few meters from their original spot. the less stress on the trees, the better for them.

but balling is also a very, very, very difficult process. even by moving the tree a few meters will already affect its growth pattern. if one looks at the three balled trees at plaza independencia, one will notice that the balled trees are barely grwing leaves because all their old branches had to be cut to reduce the requirement on water and nutrients.

these trees alone will take about 5 years to start growing really thick foliage.

and they were just moved a few meters then returned three years later.

in other words, this balling has to be done as a last resort compared to cutting them down.

Ka_Bino

March 21st, 2011, 05:34 PM

people have texted me, ka bino, why i will not start my own campaign to save the trees when my column was what put this issue out to the public.

my answer is simple: by writing about it in two different columns, one for SugboNews (which I submitted first) and then CDN, it would be best to see others doing their share...

thanks for starting the fb page.

toti villalon has also sent a very important message of support addressed to the governor which i will present tomorrow.

there is also another forum in yahoo that is discussing the issue of those trees.

i hope people will deluge DPWH with letters, text messages, etc. to carry out the "center-line" option for the trees.

if you may allow it, can a petition be left at the museo sugbo for the people to sign

Ka_Bino

March 21st, 2011, 05:34 PM

densyo

March 22nd, 2011, 04:08 AM

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Gwen, Gullas on tree meeting
3/22/2011

A MEETING will be held between Cebu Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia and the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) concerning the status of centuries-old trees along the national highway in southern Cebu on Thursday this week.

She initially called for a meeting with the Department of Public Works and Highway last week after learning about a road-widening project that would result in the uprooting of trees and destruction of some heritage stone houses.

The governor said she will join 1st District Rep. Eduardo Gullas in calling for the preservation of the trees and the heritage sites at all cost.

Also invited were officials of the Department of Public Works and Highways in Central Visayas (DPWH-7).

Garcia reminded national government agencies like the DPWH to always coordinate with the local government units (LGUs) in implementing different projects in their areas. Reporter Dale G. Israel

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Gwen steps in to save old trees, heritage houses
By Gregg M. Rubio/JMO (The Freeman) Updated March 22, 2011 12:00 AM

CEBU, Philippines - Governor Gwendolyn Garcia has joined First District Rep. Eduardo Gullas in opposing the cutting of century-old trees and destruction of heritage houses affected by the proposed expansion of the south road.

“Even from the start of my administration, in my 12-point agenda, I have made the preservation of our heritage structures as a priority,” Garcia told reporters.

Garcia said she will do what she can - in coordination with the Department of Public Works and Highways - to find ways to preserve trees and heritage houses.

She said she was unaware of the plan and only read the same in the newspapers.

On Thursday, Garcia will meet with officials of DPWH; the mayors of Naga, Carcar and San Fernando; as well as officials of the Department of Environment and Natural Resources to discuss the issue.

Garcia commended Gullas’ assurance to spare the century-old trees and heritage houses from destruction. Gullas himself secured funding to expand the present two-lane south road into four lanes.

In a press conference Sunday, Gullas told reporters the century-old trees and ancestral houses along the 20-kilometer road from Naga City to Carcar City will not be affected as there will be no road widening in the area.

The trees that motorists see traveling south were planted in 1915 by the personnel of the Bureau of Public Works, the DPWH’s predecessor.

The DPWH plans to widen the two-lane road to four lanes, which has a P27-million budget, to accommodate the increasing volume of traffic in their area.

Gullas said that a check with the General Appropriations Act of 2010 shows a P27-million outlay for the widening and removal of obstruction encroachment within the road right of way from the Naga to Carcar section.

The proposed road-widening project will end near a mall in Carcar City. But Gullas instructed the DPWH that the road widening in the area should bypass Barangay Villadolid to Carcar City proper.

However, he said that the proposal still has a long way to go since the DPWH will have to conduct feasibility study. (FREEMAN)

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Don’t cut trees: guv
By Rizel S. Adlawan, Bernadette A. Parco, and Oscar C. Pineda
Tuesday, March 22, 2011

CAPITOL has objected to the cutting off century-old acacia trees along the Naga-Carcar road to make way for a P27-million road-widening project.

Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia yesterday said she joins Rep. Eduardo Gullas (Cebu, 1st district) in opposing the move of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) to cut down the trees.

The governor said the project required the local government’s coordination, but DPWH failed to do coordinate with her, and informed only the mayors of the three affected towns.

She said she will meet with officials of the DPWH and DENR, as well as the mayors of Carcar, San Fernando and Naga, to discuss the matter.

The Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR), though, won’t allow the cutting of the trees.

Significance

DENR 7 Executive Director Maximo Dichoso yesterday said heritage trees should be preserved and maintained.

He said this is applicable to trees with historical and cultural significance as certified by the National Historical Institute or other agencies and landmark trees certified by the concerned local government unit (LGU).

The Carcar Heritage Council earlier said they will intervene and file a petition against the road-widening project that will also destroy old houses.

Val Sandiego, past president and current Director of the council, said they will ask for help from Gullas and the governor.

Sandiego said they will not allow the DPWH to implement the project.

Hard work

He said they have worked hard before to preserve the old houses in Carcar, as well as the rotunda, and have lobbied against a road widening project.

Sandiego said there must be another way to build infrastructure without destroying old houses and trees.

He said the century-old trees have been adopted by the governor's expanded environmental program.

The cutting or removal of trees requires the approval of the DENR.

Dichoso said the requirements include the application letter, photographs of trees to be removed, sketch map showing the location of trees to be removed, endorsement of LGU concerned, an environmental compliance certificate and minutes of the public consultation on the removal of trees.

Law

Dichoso cited Presidential Decree No. 953, "Requiring the planting of trees in certain places and penalizing unauthorized cutting, destruction and damaging and injuring on certain trees, plants and vegetations."

“Removal of trees in urban areas can be through earth-balling or cutting. However, when establishing infrastructure projects, removal of the trees shall be the last option and the design of the projects shall complement the presence of existing vegetation," Dichoso said.

“The application for the removal of trees causing obstruction to building construction and other infrastructure projects like road widening and road right of way shall be filed at the nearest DENR office,” he added.

Dichoso also said the Community Environment and Natural Resources Office should inspect the area, which would include the inventory of trees covered by the application, to determine whether the trees should be removed or trimmed.

Notices

While the century-old trees are likely to be spared, 20 stalls were given notices of demolition for obstructing the highways and road around the Carcar Rotunda.

At least 10 stalls were demolished since March 4, including the stall of Vice Mayor Patrick Barcenas.

During her classroom turnover speech, Governor Garcia commended Carcar City Mayor Nicepuro Apura for exercising strong political will in implementing DILG memorandum circular 2010-68 to clear highways of illegal structures.

Apura said DILG Secretary Jessie Robredo’s August 2010 circular mandated all local government executives to remove all obstructions or illegal structures within the three-meter easement from the road and protect road right of way.

The memorandum’s aim is to prevent accidents along the highway and hasten the flow of traffic.

Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on March 22, 2011.

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March 22nd, 2011, 04:08 AM

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March 22nd, 2011, 04:15 AM

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Old ideas get resurrected and become controversial
SHOOTING STRAIGHT By Valeriano Avila
(The Freeman) Updated March 22, 2011 12:00 AM
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A few days ago there was a heightened concern about those famous Acacia trees lined up a kilometer or so before reaching the town (or is it finally a city?) of Carcar that the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) was planning to cut those century-old trees in order to widen the national road. Actually, this issue was already raised years ago and a solution already found. The problem really is that, people are so forgetful they think that it is only now that DPWH is looking into this problem.

This issue was already tackled during the few meetings at the Regional Development Council’s (RDC-7) Infrastructure Development Committee (IDC) a committee I used to chair for many years. The solution was to construct a bypass road that would avoid passing through Carcar altogether. Back then we found it pointless to cut those trees in order to widen the road and then DPWH would run into the bigger problem of destroying those centuries-old homes and buildings that were erected in Carcar during the Spanish and American times. So the solution really was a bypass road, which would move traffic away from the heart of Carcar.

I already saw the plans of that by-pass road, but then as always, the best excuse we are getting from the DPWH is lack of funds. We’ve already said that Metro Manila was getting a P41 billion infrastructure development including a direct link from the North Luzon Expressway (NLEX) to the South Luzon Expressway (SLEX) but nothing for Cebu.

This bypass road was planned during the term of Pres. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and so with the other infra projects for Cebu. As for any new infra projects that one can say can be attributed to the P.Noy administration, there is really nothing in store for us. Right now Cebu is already delayed by almost a year under the P.Noy administration.

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March 22nd, 2011, 04:15 AM