you last heard from me in june, when i was about to leave with my girlfriend, the indominatable mlle. laine, for europe. six weeks, seven destinations, eleven plane rides: we're back. it wasn't quite a whirlwind tour, since we had about a week to soak up each place, except for lisbon.

i am preparing ten threads that i will post in august and september. this is the fifth.

KILGORE IN EUROPE :: Photo Schedule

01 -- LONDON (Part One) (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=112220)
02 -- PARIS (Part One) (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=112435)
03 -- ROME (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=112934)
04 -- MADRID (Part One) (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=113684)
05 -- PARIS (Part Two) (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=114171)
06 -- LISBON
07 -- MADRID (Part Two)
09 -- PARIS (Part Three)
10 -- LONDON (Part Two)

the photos in this series were taken by myself, except for those taken by mlle. laine, which are noted.


LISBON

forgive the obvious analogy, but lisbon is like a bottle of port: it tastes better after having aged in our memories. lisbon, unfortunately, was the victim of bad timing. we spent only two and a half days there at the end of our trip, so we were tired and kind of homesick. it was a weekend in the middle of the summer, which meant that the city seemed half asleep. the traditional downtown area, the baixa, gave off a rather incidental, stagnant feel, and other parts of the city were sluggish.

despite our initial disappointment, though, lisbon has grown on us. its hills, crisp nights and water views are beautiful, its food is delicious and it has an intriguing nightlife composed of tiny living-room-sized bars that sell takeaway beer. i would definitely like to go back, perhaps in the spring or fall when the city is livelier.

a note about these photos: our first full day in lisbon (a saturday) was so perplexingly quiet we spent the evening in lisbon's branch of the giant spanish department store, el corte inglès, the only place in the city that didn't feel shut down for the summer. this was bigger than any of the locations we visited in spain: it was more like a mall than a department store, complete with a multiplex cinema in the basement. on sunday, an even quieter day, we decided on a spur of the moment to hop on the train and take it to estoril, in the eastern suburbs of lisbon, which we decided to visit because of a vintage 1920s postcard advertising mild weather and beautiful beaches. lo and behold, when we arrived, it seemed as if le tout-lisbonne was hanging out along the seashore. it was one of the more memorable days of our trip.

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What a beautiful and diverse city! Wonderful photos. Thank you.

Great pics!

Awesome pictures! Your are really talented. :)

you have taken some of the best pictures i have seen in a long time, great job on a beautiful city.

Lovely pics kilgoretrout,great work :okay:

Unfortuantely, the photos havn't worked for me, all X's. I spent two weeks in Lisbon a couple of years ago, and loved every minute of it. Also staying in summer, I too found the city center to be rather quiet. However, I discovered that the main shops was actually to be found slightly left of the city, in the hills around Bairro Alto & Chiado (close to where the public lift takes you). From there was a busy shopping street much more active than the main center of town.

Of note we stayed in Monte Estoril, which is between Estoril and Cascais. It's just a pity you didn't walk around the cliffs (or take the train to the last stop) and visit Cascais, as it was much nicer than Estoril (and the walk following the sea was stunning)

I loved Lisbon, and highly recommend you spend more than two days next time. We spent two weeks and that wasn't enough.

check out my gallery here: http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/lisbon

You´re talented! Great tour!

justme, the photos should be working now.

actually, we did walk from estoril to cascais, so we did see the cliffs after all. by that time we were quite hungry and tired, though, so we spent some time eating chicken on one of the aforementioned cliffs. cascais really was a nice town and certainly a lot busier than lisbon on a sunday -- all of the shops in the mall were open even though everything in central lisbon was closed tight!

we also spent most of our time in chiado (where we stayed, on the rua do duque) in bairro alto. the border between the two (the square -- i forget its name) was by far the liveliest part of lisbon.

don't worry, we'll spend more than two days there next time. it's definitely a place to which we'll be returning.

justme, the photos should be working now.

actually, we did walk from estoril to cascais, so we did see the cliffs after all. by that time we were quite hungry and tired, though, so we spent some time eating chicken on one of the aforementioned cliffs. cascais really was a nice town and certainly a lot busier than lisbon on a sunday -- all of the shops in the mall were open even though everything in central lisbon was closed tight!

we also spent most of our time in chiado (where we stayed, on the rua do duque) in bairro alto. the border between the two (the square -- i forget its name) was by far the liveliest part of lisbon.

don't worry, we'll spend more than two days there next time. it's definitely a place to which we'll be returning.

Sorry, I can see that now, that the photos are up. Great photos as usual!

Year, it did seem odd that the city center closed on Sundays, but the suburbs had many shops open. I was quite surprised by that as well. I have to agree still that the shopping in downtown isn't very good, which is quite odd for a European city. I loved that walk between Estoril and Cascais. And when reaching Cascais, there were some nice narrow lanes to walk past, the Marina with some great resturants, and a beautiful park.

awesome...looks lovely and laid back!

thanks!

I understand. But the truth is the portuguese prefer shopping in the dozens of shopping malls and shopping centres in the outskirts of Lisbon rather than making use of traditional shops and boutiques.

Yes, on Sundays Lisbon shuts down. In summer everyone if off to the beaches, on holidays elsewhere in Portugal or simply resting at home. Don't expect much from Lisbon on a saturday and especially on a sunday. However, it's great for strolling around and sightseeing since you'll have almost all of the city for yourself. :D

You'll also find many lisboners in the modern section of the city - Park of Nations. But I guess you'll discover that on your own next time you visit Lisbon.

Another advice for anyone visiting Portugal or Lisbon: NEVER but NEVER leave this part of Europe for last on your holiday trips. You'll get frustrated for not visiting it first or spent much more time here.

sexy beach

sexy beach

lol

I understand. But the truth is the portuguese prefer shopping in the dozens of shopping malls and shopping centres in the outskirts of Lisbon rather than making use of traditional shops and boutiques.

Yes, on Sundays Lisbon shuts down. In summer everyone if off to the beaches, on holidays elsewhere in Portugal or simply resting at home. Don't expect much from Lisbon on a saturday and especially on a sunday. However, it's great for strolling around and sightseeing since you'll have almost all of the city for yourself. :D

You'll also find many lisboners in the modern section of the city - Park of Nations. But I guess you'll discover that on your own next time you visit Lisbon.

Another advice for anyone visiting Portugal or Lisbon: NEVER but NEVER leave this part of Europe for last on your holiday trips. You'll get frustrated for not visiting it first or spent much more time here.

Paulo sayed it very weel, anyway i can teel u "Baixa" is very much going under renovation/rehabilition or as plans to do it in these coming years
there is a masterplan being done for the zone, which includes renovation of urban front between Cais do sodre train station and Santa Apolonia train station (proibing cars) and total rehabilition of old buildings. Like u saw there are many old buildings in Lisbon and many of them need rehabilitation. real rehabilitation started in 2002, so as u can see its a long way to go. grafitties are a big deal, specialy in Bairro Alto, although there´s ppl who like it and "fits" on the easygoing and cultural environment. i hate it :bash:
there are many calmer and longer beaches before Estoril (Santo Amaro, Carcavelos for ex), actualy that is one of the crowdest and more tourist b´cause i guess it´s closer to Cascais resort town. Sintra has one of the best beaches in Portugal u just "missed the cake" for a few kilometres

anyway loved ur fotos, one of de best i´ve seen in a long time about my city :applause:
thanks u very much for sharing :okay:


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Amazing pictures.... Congratulations :applause:

They're very good!

great pics :okay:

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:eek: :lol: Topless!

You seem to love to photograph people (especially black people)!
Great pics :okay:
Perhaps next time you'll be able to visit Sintra.. you won't be disappointed if you do! ;)

You seem to love to photograph people (especially black people)!
Great pics :okay:
Perhaps next time you'll be able to visit Sintra.. you won't be disappointed if you do! ;)
yeah the ratio white/black people represented is clearly exagerated regarding lisboet population, anyway he made the same (black or imigrant) with all the other cities he visited

Wow...I sorta felt a Brazilian vibe to the ambiance in Lisbon. Have many Brazilians moved there in the last few years?...many people looked like they could be from Brazil.

Wow...I sorta felt a Brazilian vibe to the ambiance in Lisbon. Have many Brazilians moved there in the last few years?...many people looked like they could be from Brazil.

Some have.

I understand. But the truth is the portuguese prefer shopping in the dozens of shopping malls and shopping centres in the outskirts of Lisbon rather than making use of traditional shops and boutiques.

Why?

Why?

b´cause or city centre is somehow degradated (90% of lisboetas live in the suburbs), ppl who usualy work at stores are old ppl seelling old crap. just some areas like Chiado have cool young and hip "ambiance".

portuguese malls are without any margin , one of de bests in de world, many cinemas, lots of resturants, important/hip brands.. malls (and stores) are usualy open until 23/24h.

neverthless when he went to Lisbon in Summer, the city centre is fulled with tourists, the lisboetas are either
-vacations out in Algarve or others parts of Portugal /world
-using many beaches around Lisbon ( there are realy many, for all classes, some more private other more "public" like da one he went, it´s just a question of chosing and mean of transport available
-malls
-esplanade´s
-nightlife

many like me go to the beach in Lisbon and Algarve. Beach is all about Summer in here.
those who stay at historical centre are sellers /tourism ppl, few ppl who live there, robbers and fado ripoffers
:lol:

Have many Brazilians moved there in the last few years?...many people looked like they could be from Brazil.

there are a lot of brazilians (the biggest community in Portugal) and africans (from the ex-colonies)

I spent two weeks in Lisbon a couple of years ago, check out my gallery here: http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/lisbon

My favourite Lisbon photos. :okay:

what a city!

I LOVE those custard tarts!!! :)

Shame that we rarely hear from the talented Kilgortrout any more... :(
I'll move this thread to Urban Showcase for original photography.

very colorful!

some guys there r hot! and some buildings need renovation :)

how come i can't reach the other city threads u made? :(

There is a search fonction, quite efficient. ;)
This is the other threads of the European tour of Kilgoretrout

KT/EU 01 :: LONDON (Part One) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=380378)
KT/EU 01 :: PARIS (Part One) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=381257)
KT/EU 03 :: ROME (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=383757)
KT/EU 04 :: MADRID (Part One) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=387395)
KT/EU 05 :: PARIS (Part Two) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=388530)
KT/EU 07 :: MADRID (Part Two) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=400790)

^^Brilliant! Thanks!