There is a mini construction boom going on at Canary Wharf London u/c floor count: PanPeninsula 50 & 37, Marshwall 44, 30, 25 (revised) CrossHarbour 43, Ontario 31, Ability 25, Electron 25,22,22, Churchill Place 14,12, Shadwell 20. Below is an overview of the area to give an idea of the current state of construction - Thought it would be good to see all the pics together - taken Sep 10th - gives a good feel of the mini costruction boom now underway

Ontario

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/2.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/3.jpg


Churchill Place

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/1.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/8.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/5.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/1d.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/1b.jpg

Pan Peninsula

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/9.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/10.jpg

Crossharbour

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/12.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/13.jpg

Construction underway on Millharbour

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/11.jpg

Pano from West - Ontario and the cranes of Pan Peninsula

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/4.jpg


Slightly older shot of Whole Wharf - showing Electron, Ontario, Churchill

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/14.jpg

View of City from Canary Wharf

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/6.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/7.jpg

Very nice.Thanks :)

:applause: Thanks for sharing

Thank you for the illustrated update! :)

I'm wondering what is this tall crane for ? (right in the middle, touching CityPoint in the perspective)
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/6.jpg

the tall crane is building a 20 floor apartment block opposite Shadwell Docklands Light Railway Station - near Watney Market in Stepney

Great update. There is a bit of a boom happening in cw right now, if only other sites got on with construction as quickly as cw do.

Yeah great job on all those, some fab shots, did you notice anything happening at 22 marshwall just further across from PP???

Fab pics Chest. Construction on 5 Churchill Place is also imminent (ground+13 floors + 3 plants looking Churchill Place, 2 more levels on the North I think). "Architecturally neutral" according to FT. But the Bear Stearns logo will appear on the roof.

http://i8.tinypic.com/4dmyzoy.jpg

So lets see...putting the u/c projects to a floor count: PanP 50 & 37, MillH 44,30, 25 (revised) CrossH 43, Ontario 31 Ability 25 Electron 25,22,22 CW 14,12 Shadwell 20

Cant think of many other places ourside China or Dubia with that sort of tally in such a small area!

Cheers Chest

Thought it would be good to see all the pics together - taken Sep 10th - gives a good feel of the mini costruction boom now underway

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/5.jpg



Great pics!

Strangely enough, Jimbo and myself had a SSC Leeds/London club get together yesterday and went for a ride out from London Bridge to the Woolwich ferry and back through Canary Wharf and Wapping. I took the exact same photo as well! So if you spotted 2 Yorkshiremen riding around with flat cap bike helmets and whippets in hot pursuit then that would have been us! ;) Lovely day for it as well, the IPA supped in Wapping was much savoured!

It looks like one of your photos is taken from near the Hilton on Rotherhithe Street. I absolutely love the view going east along Rotherhithe Street when you come around a corner and 1CS is suddenly there looming above you, stunning!

Thanks for these excellent pics Chest - much appreciated.

You should post these in the World Forums.

22 Marsh Wall is just hording surrounding the site at the moment - there are still trees and buildings within it, there is no promotional signage up or company logos to be seen

Whilst we're on the subject of Ontario, can anyone tell me what these other buildings are in this render::: a later phase perhaps???

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/558/npwuxc6.jpg

The second tower looks about as tall as the ontario tower.

Great pics!

Strangely enough, Jimbo and myself had a SSC Leeds/London club get together yesterday and went for a ride out from London Bridge to the Woolwich ferry and back through Canary Wharf and Wapping. I took the exact same photo as well! So if you spotted 2 Yorkshiremen riding around with flat cap bike helmets and whippets in hot pursuit then that would have been us! ;) Lovely day for it as well, the IPA supped in Wapping was much savoured!


and I now have Smoggie's digital camera which will be making an appearance on a Whitecross Street market stall tmrw morning. mwwwwwwah!

on another note - the pace of development is really starting to ramp up. Top crane action boys. Interesting profile of John Griffith-Jones, senior partner (i.e. boss of KMPG) in the Sunday Times this weekend. Ended with a little aside that he is negotiating for a new building in Canary Wharf....... Jef mentioned the 400,000sq ft requirement for KPMG (I think that's the right amount). If they do go for the Wharf which would this mean Riverside South is more of a probability, or could this requirement be filled in one of the new Churchill Place buildings?

Whilst we're on the subject of Ontario, can anyone tell me what these other buildings are in this render::: a later phase perhaps???

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/558/npwuxc6.jpg

The second tower looks about as tall as the ontario tower.

That's the office phase I think. Not sure whether that is still going ahead or not. If Ballymore are still bullish, they could apply to convert the plan to more residential.

oh by the way - superb photos chest! :)

One think I notice about CW...It's very hard...infact I cant remember ever seeing a ground level pic of CW with all 7 towers clearly visible.

and I now have Smoggie's digital camera which will be making an appearance on a Whitecross Street market stall tmrw morning. mwwwwwwah!


:D

Proceeds to go to the get the smogmobile a heart transplant (well a new immobiliser box) appeal I trust? Bloody British cars. :(

One think I notice about CW...It's very hard...infact I cant remember ever seeing a ground level pic of CW with all 7 towers clearly visible.

eh? :dunno:

Great update. There is a bit of a boom happening in cw right now, if only other sites got on with construction as quickly as cw do.

I dont know why people seemto think CW is better or quicker at building projects than anywhere else. Theres a much larger boom going on in the city-Just look at all the cranes around.CW & most of the surrounding area had nothing built since Barclays HQ was finished. CWG have actually been very quiet the last couple of years compared to other big property groups such as British Land &Land Securities.

Im just glad theres a boom across the whole city- Long may it continue

I agree London Lad, mini-boom is an apt title for this thread.

I dont know why people seemto think CW is better or quicker at building projects than anywhere else. Theres a much larger boom going on in the city-Just look at all the cranes around.CW & most of the surrounding area had nothing built since Barclays HQ was finished. CWG have actually been very quiet the last couple of years compared to other big property groups such as British Land &Land Securities.

Im just glad theres a boom across the whole city- Long may it continue

Yes...but its the scale of the buildings and therefore their eventual impact that people are suggesting I think....

first of all, great pics as usual chest. :)

its not a mini boom. in london terms it IS a boom. its the third major cycle of construction in london docklands. we can divide the history into three major phases with only piecemeal construction inbetween...
1) the original olympia and york phase with south quay plaza, wtc and harbour exchange. 1988-1991ish
2) canary wharf reaches critical mass. 1999 to 2002 taking in canada square, heron quays and most of the rest of the originally planned estate.
3) 2005-... what's shown above. this one is largely residential driven unlike the first two, the lead player are ballymore who bet the farm and have won.

next up this pic
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/558/npwuxc6.jpg
this was originally the site of the office building to go there. its looking more and more like they will dump the office element and go for another resi tower plus lower rise instead as you can see there. given ballymore also have arrowhead quay which has plenty of office space and some at crossharbour its not like they need more in their development schedule. the demand for resi in the area is however almost insaitable.

Gothic is right.

Ballymore has today started to register interest in forthcoming apartaments at Crossharbour. Add also 5 Churchill Place and possibly 15 Canada Square as the new purpose built HQ for KPMG.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/558/npwuxc6.jpg
this was originally the site of the office building to go there. its looking more and more like they will dump the office element and go for another resi tower.

Well i hope they keep the design and just modify the floor height details, i really like the design of these.

The PP thread is gone.

Enclosed and extract of the story in The Wharf:http://icthewharf.icnetwork.co.uk/thewharf/business/tm_objectid=17746666%26method=full%26siteid=71670%26headline=sales%2dsoaring%2dat%2dpan%2dpeninsula-name_page.html

"Eight of the 35 premier flats and duplexes at the towering development have now been sold off-plan, achieving an average price of £1.6million per property.

Prices in the towers range from £230,000 to £10m.

Each premier apartment is located above the 38th floor of the East and West Towers, with floor to ceiling windows and access to a sky-lounge.

More than 90 per cent of the apartments in the 50-storey East Tower have been sold since Pan Peninsula's launch in November last year, and half the flats in the 40-storey West Tower have also been snapped up."

The PP thread is gone.

Eh?!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=310428

The PP thread is gone.

And what happened to all the other London threads? there were hundreds before but now there's only two.

I am looking forward to seeing the most recent pics taken by SE9 ...

Meanwhile, other pics taken by dhd./ in late 2005. One can see CW reclaiming land to build 10-20 CP and the adjacent Wood Wharf area.

http://i10.tinypic.com/339ukh5.jpg


http://i9.tinypic.com/33m07rb.jpg


http://i10.tinypic.com/2rw17h1.jpg


http://i9.tinypic.com/2lnx26g.jpg


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http://i10.tinypic.com/47tv14g.jpg

Ive no idea if this is the right place to put this pic, but hey it looks right, this is one of the churchill place buildings going up at the moment:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/rawlings_of_pre/DSC00385.jpg

^ Yep, thats the new State Street HQ - not sure how many floors it is thou. 10?

^^ thats a finished core, although i thought this was about 14 storeys???

There are 2 cores I think. The main 12-storeys block + plants is at the north of the site and has yet to start construction. The one we are seeing is the 4-storey podium at the southern edge of the site I think.

what would we do without you Jef?

Good news in terms of scrapers for the wharf as we will have:

Marsh Wall
Crossharbour
Pan Peninsular

But it could have been better as State Street and Bear Stearns have elected to place their offices in groundscrapers instead of skyscrapers - Riverside South or Heron Quays West anyone?!

But we in the UK should not bemoan this. State Street and Bear Stearns are two companies that very very few people in the UK have heard of. But the investment of these two firms in the UK is considerable, and long term. They both bolster London's position as the financial capital of Europe and are easily worth a car plant or two each as both will employ around 2000 people as each of those 2000 people will earn considerably more (at least 2-3 times) than manufacturing workers in Sunderland or Swindon.

People should not forget that this is fantastic news for the London and the rest of the UK.

I just love wandering around the wharf area looking at all the cranes, things are getting quite exciting once again :)

The redevelopment of Cabot Hall will also start in January 2007.

And the outline planning application for the entire Wood Wharf area (East and West) will be submitted in Q1 2007 with a view to start building the residential towers in 2008.

A storey from the Wharf- Vacany levels there are now only 5.6%- Very very low.

http://icthewharf.icnetwork.co.uk/thewharf/headlines/tm_headline=firms-snap-up-office-space%26method=full%26objectid=17876815%26siteid=71670-name_page.html


Firms snap up office spaceOct 5 2006

By Emma Midgley

CANARY WHARF is booming in in terms of office space lettings.

Songbird Estates Plc, which has an investment portfolio totalling 7.9million sq ft in Canary Wharf, said 92.3 per cent of its properties were let at the end of June.

The busy office market has led it to sign rents in excess of £40 per sq ft in its most recent lettings. Although rental income dropped to £123.8m from £135.9m last year, this was due to the sale of seven properties in 2005.

Since the start of the second half, Canary Wharf Group (CWG) completed approximately 390,000sq ft of lettings.

Offices were let out both to existing tenants such as Bear Stearns, Barclays Bank Plc and Morgan Stanley wishing to increase their existing space as well as to a number of new tenants.

The most significant letting was a pre-let of 206,000sq ft to Bear Stearns Companies Inc. The firm's European headquarters will now be housed in a new 300,000sq ft building to be built at 5 Churchill Place.

The vacancy rate in the City of London is running at between 7.2 and 10 per cent (at the end of June). The City of London has in total 82million sq ft of office space.


In a statement from the Corporation of London, lettings from the second quarter of 2006 were described as "below average" when compared to 2004 and 2005. However, the City has recently signed a deal with Land Securities to pre-let 166,000sq ft at 1 Wood Street to Eversheds solicitors, and predicts a strong performance in the second half of the year.


Rent agreements were being signed for as much £52.50 per sq ft in the first half of 2006. The most expensive rent in the City is at the Gherkin where a square foot can cost as much as £67.50 per annum.


Both the City and Canary Wharf actually boast cheaper rents now than in the 1980s, when office space was going for up to £80 per sq ft in the Square Mile.


* As The Wharf went to press CWG released the latest vacancy rate figure for the end of September: 5.6 per cent.

Is it just me, or has the Ontario Tower seemingly been under construction forever?

A storey from the Wharf- Vacany levels there are now only 5.6%- Very very low.

http://icthewharf.icnetwork.co.uk/thewharf/headlines/tm_headline=firms-snap-up-office-space%26method=full%26objectid=17876815%26siteid=71670-name_page.html


Well then, surely they will HAVE to start building either Riverside South or North Quay next year?

Songbird indeed said in its interim results "construction on RS/NQ will start when and as market conditions permit".

I would hope they would build RS next, but if it is changed to residential or partly residential (that's right isn't it?) I wouldn't mind NQ first because at means we would probably get both. Well, as long as RS remains tall.

Songbird never said they plan to modify RS. They have just reiterated in
their interim results that they have planning permission for the scheme we know and they will proceed with the construction when and as market condition permit. It does not mean they do not have alternative options for the site. But at this stage, I believe they want to stick to the Richard Rogers approved scheme.

There will be some activity on the site of Riverside South: a temporary structure will be built for corporate entertainment and Christmas Parties.
Will be dismantled in January.

Don't be misled: they are not yet building RS.

http://i10.tinypic.com/40k4o3n.jpg

what a wonderfull warning you have given us Jef, saving us all form dissapointment in the near future, i guarantee someone will fall for it though!

and i forgot: a small update, not much to report though, but the scaffolding wasnt there before:

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/rawlings_of_pre/15.jpg

what a wonderfull warning you have given us Jef, saving us all form dissapointment in the near future, i guarantee someone will fall for it though!

Yeah I fell for that, went past on the bus and saw some activity on the site. damn.

Hi All

I went past the 22 Marsh Wall site this morning and one of the buildings has been demolished!

Construction soon...!

P

ok, here are some updates, with a small twist: they are in the dark! It was really quite late by the time i got to canary wharf, so please excuse the pictures. Also, are these pictures of mine both sites of the same building, or two different ones? can someone help with that?

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/rawlings_of_pre/DSC00520.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/rawlings_of_pre/DSC00517.jpg

Thank you Pag & Ntn

Also, are these pictures of mine both sites of the same building, or two different ones? can someone help with that?

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/rawlings_of_pre/DSC00520.jpg

This is 20 Churchill Place as far as I can see with the lower 5-storeys podium to the right (south) and the rising 12-storeys core to the left opposite to Barclays. Same building.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/rawlings_of_pre/DSC00517.jpg

The podium of 20 CP again in the background and piling of 10CP in the foreground. Two separate buildings.

Also 5 Churchill Place has started construction and KPMG is about to conclude its 40,000 sqm prelet at 15 Canada Square this quarter.

"There are now almost as many financial staff working in just this one area (CW) as in the whole of Frankfurt" said George Iacobescu, Canary Wharf Group's chief executive (see The Economist, 21 Oct. p85).

Although the vacancy rate is low in the estate, Canary Wharf is apparently not willing to build speculatively.

"There are now almost as many financial staff working in just this one area (CW) as in the whole of Frankfurt" said George Iacobescu, Canary Wharf Group's chief executive (see The Economist, 21 Oct. p85).

Although the vacancy rate is low in the estate, Canary Wharf is apparently not willing to build speculatively.


What a fantastic fact to find!

Thank you..you should be the Uks ambassador of finance!

Many, many thanks Jef, i understand whats going on now- i was a bit confused before.

It's great to see. I definitely miss living there. The next time I visit, I'm sure it'll look different.

What is the Cabot Place redevelopment?

Anyone got any idea what's going on here?

http://static.flickr.com/101/275525655_e32348daa3_b.jpg

Nope, but thats a hell of a camera you got there, what is it???

Might be a fireworks platform?

Anyone got any idea what's going on here?

I thought exactly the same from your PP photos Darren. Perhaps they are doing something with the rooftop plant machinery, moving some some A/C stuff.

Maybe they are setting up a scaffold to hang the designers of the Bank Street Towers?

two aerials taken yesterday by fiahless. Posted here in high-res.
See marsh wall, limeharbour, ability, millharbour, churchill, etc.



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http://i17.tinypic.com/2uj2rgg.jpg

God! They are beautiful...I am filling up....many thanks..please say thanks to him/her too!

I wonder how far CW will expand in the future? Will we ever see the whole peninsula occupied by skyscrapers?

My god thats a sexy view. Love to be able compare that view with one from 2012.

from greenw on flickr (look at ontario):

http://i13.tinypic.com/34dhojk.jpg

It looks really detatched there, but what an amazing shot of CW, the last glimpses of sun

from greenw on flickr (look at ontario):

http://i13.tinypic.com/34dhojk.jpg

Heron Quays and Bank Street look too boxy with way too similar roof heights, but the rest looks fantastic. I love dusk shots with the lights just coming on. Superb.

Definately scope for something curvey or round there.....real pity about
Columbus!

Definately scope for something curvey or round there.....real pity about
Columbus!

amen to that - that roof would have looked cracking.

Just want to say, it's great to see so much constrction going on on the Isle of Dogs at the moment. Two more developments are imminent now - Indescon Court and 4 Mastmaker Road! With Riverside South as well that's plenty to watch for the next couple of years.

Two more developments are imminent now - Indescon Court and 4 Mastmaker Road!

Never knew about those! That's another 5 towers I can add to the summary list.

That area is getting some serious density.

4 MastMarker Road is the affordable housing scheme related to Pan Peninsula.
I do not like it. But it is "affordable".

http://i14.tinypic.com/2jeqnip.jpg

http://i11.tinypic.com/2a4s55h.jpg

Indescon Court has been in the pipeline for years. Not sure construction was confirmed to start. It is nearby the u/c Ability Place.

http://i16.tinypic.com/4hv9ij8.jpg

^^ Well i certainly prefere Indescon Court, cladding looks like one of those expensive modern kitchens, also bears an resemblence to that red apple in Rotterdam.

There's also a large development from Galliard Homes which has just been launched.

http://www.galliardhomes.com/property/__Canary_Quarter_-_Preliminary_Release__.aspx?param=single


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http://i17.tinypic.com/2eegbog.jpg

http://i16.tinypic.com/4bzo2ec.jpg


I cant remember which site it is exactly but I think its this one.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=537422&y=179470&z=1&sv=537422,179470&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

4 MastMarker Road is the affordable housing scheme related to Pan Peninsula.
I do not like it. But it is "affordable".

http://i14.tinypic.com/2jeqnip.jpg

http://i11.tinypic.com/2a4s55h.jpg

Holy duplo what the hell is that?

Note the child with an oversized head speeding away from this monstrosity on their Barbie tricycle, and the elderly gentleman staring, transfixed... crippled by the sheer rubbishness of the development.

...poor child is waiting to see what is in those open cardboard boxes at the top!

...poor child is waiting to see what is in those open cardboard boxes at the top!

Isn't that arnold from different strokes- lol

Wat you talking about Willis !!

Are there any projecs u/c on the Greenwich peninsula? I´ve read that area will be redeveloped.

arrrrr looking at CW gives you some idea as to just how tiny London is!, even by Paris standards it's low density, let alone NEW YORK! what the hell is KL saying that where running outta space, you can easily fit at least four times the number houses along the Mile End road. London should and could fit 11 million or more people if planned properly. pack em in guys!

arrrrr looking at CW gives you some idea as to just how tiny London is!

You can't be serious!!! let me see if i have a spare clue for you...

arrrrr looking at CW gives you some idea as to just how tiny London is!, even by Paris standards it's low density, let alone NEW YORK! what the hell is KL saying that where running outta space, you can easily fit at least four times the number houses along the Mile End road. London should and could fit 11 million or more people if planned properly. pack em in guys!

Hey there...Ive just been on another thread and you said something very similar! Someone accused you of being biased and you appear to really be relishing that part....

If you keep on, people wont take you seriously, you do seem to have some sort of issue (which I suspect has got nothing to do with buildings, places or anything as superficial...sadly)

London has the second most dense population for a first world community in the world after Tokyo.

The French like to live in apartment blocks (like much of continental Europe)and here, we prefer houses or low rise blocks; either way with outside space.

Londons population increases to about 12.5 million during weekdays...we are fortunate that many commute in....even from France! :)

Maybe he should go and live in Tokyo if he finds london too small

yeah and perhaps he is forgetting that london is the most cultural diverse city in the world. there are probably more french people in london than in paris, lol. plus i would like to add that paris has only la defense, whereas london has cw and city, TWO huge up and coming clusters with multiple other projects dotted around london.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_selected_cities_by_population_density bla bla bla bla you'll have to scroll down along way to find London.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_selected_cities_by_population_density bla bla bla bla you'll have to scroll down along way to find London.

I don't understand the point you're making.

Why would an ultra-dense London be a good thing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_selected_cities_by_population_density bla bla bla bla you'll have to scroll down along way to find London.


he he he..I get teh feeling someones used an article without reading the footnotes:

"Note 2: This is the density for Greater London. The actual City of London has a lower resident density at 2,966/km² and a working density of up to 115,384/km²"

This note is confusingly worded (and possibly confused in its intent), giving the impression that the City of London equates to London proper (in a similar manner to Ville de Paris), in contrast to the metropolitan area of Greater London. The City of London is a borough (or district) at London's core, and is mainly non-residential. It would be more profitable to compare density figures for Greater London and Inner London 86.0.203.120 03:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
..ho ho ho

It's kind of bizarre, the guy opts to include London in his avatar, but with little reasoned arguments, seems to never miss a chance to slag the city off.
A few hang ups there, or what?

meanwhile, on the subject of Canary wharf:

smaller core
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/rawlings_of_pre/canarywhrfstl.jpg

main core
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/rawlings_of_pre/canarywhrf2.jpg

he he he..I get teh feeling someones used an article without reading the footnotes:

"Note 2: This is the density for Greater London. The actual City of London has a lower resident density at 2,966/km² and a working density of up to 115,384/km²"

This note is confusingly worded (and possibly confused in its intent), giving the impression that the City of London equates to London proper (in a similar manner to Ville de Paris), in contrast to the metropolitan area of Greater London. The City of London is a borough (or district) at London's core, and is mainly non-residential. It would be more profitable to compare density figures for Greater London and Inner London 86.0.203.120 03:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
..ho ho ho

great point, i find that every comparisan i find about cities always use only inner london and not london as a whole, and in turn compare it with the whole of other cities making london sometimes seem inferiour

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_selected_cities_by_population_density bla bla bla bla you'll have to scroll down along way to find London.

:llama:

firsty on helicopter flight:

http://i16.tinypic.com/4dpieq9.jpg

Blurred. Spot PP on the right and Ontario on the left;:

http://i16.tinypic.com/2m5z614.jpg

That first shot is particularly fantastic, thanks.

great scott Marty! jef, I'm speechless. You're a lucky lucky man.

havent followed all of this but just a point of info
Ldn has a very low pop density.Thats why its so huge in area.
paris is the the way round. So is madrid.All of them compared to US & Asain cities are low in pop density.
If u wre talking about density of scrapers then well, i dunnoLadefense or Canary Wharf? I dunno.

but what about working population.....Then London reaches (near) the top of the list. I think the only way you could increase the living density here (and as mentioned..why would we want to) would be to set up satellite working centres...Londons infrastructure could not deal with it...

Fantastic jef - I've been loving all these copter photos recently - I literally stare at them for ages trying to find everywhere. I love it!

Yes! fantastic Jef...tell us what the cost is for this experience...or were you on your way to survey the tornado damage?

There are not mine: these pics are those of firsty. :)

Overall density will really be enhanced by North Quay and Riverside South- not to mention PP - I wait in anticipation!

10 Churchill Place. Piling is done. They are now about to pour concrete to make the basement. 20 CP u/c in the background.

From Matt Seppings on flickr:

http://i10.tinypic.com/4ccn8me.jpg

Sorry to change the topic, but this discussion needs clearing up....

London, to be honest, although being the same size in total land area as Tokyo for its city proper (600sq miles) feels like a village compared to the Japanese capital.

I don't know how many people on this forum have actually been to Japan. But Osaka, where I lived for a year feels easily as big as London, New York or Paris, and Tokyo is twice the size of Osaka. Tokyo is on a scale of no city that I have even been to. One station on the network, Shinjuku, with 23 platforms puts through more people (entrance/exit, not through on trains) that use the entire London underground network every day (3 million).

Tokyo has getting on for 40 million, yes, 40 million people in its extended metropolitan area (including Yokohama, Narita, Chiba etc) and is the largest city economy in the world by far.

Even Yokohama, which is next door, feels like no minnow, it is roughly the size of Berlin!

Pretty Good Pic from Lyonheart on Flirckr.
Shows the core of 20 CP.
Also shows the basement of 5CP with construction now imminent.

http://i10.tinypic.com/2wcnybm.jpg

Blimey. Looks tall enough to be a midrise.

I presume the underground floors (concrete ones) on 20 CP are going to be underground car parking.

I like the little 'bridge' on the right hand of Jef's pic that leads to Barclays.

You can really tell you're in the arse end of Canary Wharf in that area. Hopefully these buildings might change that.

10 Churchill Place. Piling is done. They are now about to pour concrete to make the basement. 20 CP u/c in the background.

From Matt Seppings on flickr:

http://i10.tinypic.com/4ccn8me.jpg

Thanks Jef ! please remind me which one is going to be 20 floors with plant floors ect?

Sorry to change the topic, but this discussion needs clearing up....

London, to be honest, although being the same size in total land area as Tokyo for its city proper (600sq miles) feels like a village compared to the Japanese capital.

I don't know how many people on this forum have actually been to Japan. But Osaka, where I lived for a year feels easily as big as London, New York or Paris, and Tokyo is twice the size of Osaka. Tokyo is on a scale of no city that I have even been to. One station on the network, Shinjuku, with 23 platforms puts through more people (entrance/exit, not through on trains) that use the entire London underground network every day (3 million).

Tokyo has getting on for 40 million, yes, 40 million people in its extended metropolitan area (including Yokohama, Narita, Chiba etc) and is the largest city economy in the world by far.

Even Yokohama, which is next door, feels like no minnow, it is roughly the size of Berlin!


Yes..as I said...Tokyo is by far the biggest. However, we have to be wary of including Megacities statistics! Tokyo and environs has become one as you say, as with the eastern USA, parts of central Europe, the whole of the SE of England as one and the Whole NW around Manchester :)

I like the little 'bridge' on the right hand of Jef's pic that leads to Barclays.

That little bridge is part of the basement of 5 Churchill Place. Construction
is now imminent (Bear Stearns European HQ).

please remind me which one is going to be 20 floors with plant floors ect?

15 Canada Square is splitted into two sites:
- 15 Canada Square (the western half of the site, adjacent to HSBC), future KPMG HQ
- 30 The North Colonnade (the eastern half of the site, adjacent to Barclays)

This site is shown herebelow with the orange painted flowers:

http://i12.tinypic.com/2m6pr1l.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/2s8pxxw.jpg

perfect site..thanks!