SWEDEN - Stadium and Arena Development News [Archive]

kingdomca

August 31st, 2006, 01:55 PM

how many more stadiums are planned for Sweden?

I know Boras Arena was completed recently, so is there plans for any more? I took a look at some of the stadiums on Stadionwelt. To be honest, a lot of them could do with redevelopment.

Denmark and Norway both have plenty of new, or planned stadiums nowadays, so how about Sweden

A lot of them?..how about all of them.. except indeed Boras,which is a new stadium for elfsborg and has helped this small town club increase crowds

Stockholm:
AIK Solna, New Rasunda 50,000, retractable roof, also national stadium
Hammerby, New stadium, 25,000, derby games, big matches at Rasunda
Djurgarden, expansion to 25,000, big matches at Rasunda

Gothenburg:
3 clubs (IFK+ örgryte+ GAIS) will all continue to share Old Ullevi when its completly rebuilt. capacity unchanged at 18,000.
Big matches will continue to move next door to New Ullevi, built for the world cup 1958 and now a modern 43,000 athletics stadium, which just hosted the Euro´s , but not great for football.
BK hacken may become a 4th club at Old Ullevi

Malmö FF new stadium, 30,000, will include or be prepared for a roof
Helsingborgs, complete reconstruction, 18,000, big matches could (possibly) be moved to Malmo

Norrköping, complete reconstruction, 18,000

Kalmar, a small club, new 10,000, including a retractable roof
(and there will probably be a few more developments like Kalmar from other smaller clubs)

Of all this, only Djurgårdens development of their 1912 olympic stadium is probably not certain to go ahead. The club may move all games to the new rasunda which is also a historic home for the club.

It means all Swedens major clubs will soon move to far better facilities, which should seriously boost crowds.
There could be a move to make a retractable roof almost mandatory as part of extending the season with inter-scanidnavian competition. That is connected to another difficult debate about fake grass.

GNU

August 31st, 2006, 02:24 PM

are there any renderings/pics for the new stadiums?

Loranga

September 1st, 2006, 10:26 AM

If you want to see new developments in Sweden you should look at the new ice hockey arenas instead of football stadiums.

Alle

September 11th, 2006, 10:14 PM

For years now not a single Swedish club has managed to qualify to the champions league. And the worse point of these years came when the Swedish league was compared to the cypriotic on swedish television. Good swedish players have been sold to other european clubs, even the two other scandinavian countries Norway and not least Denmark. One reason is the special taxrules in Norway and Denmark for athletes which enables the clubs in these countries to offer higher pay. Another thing that has left swedish clubs behind is worse stadiums (and other things il treat later in this post).

But things are starting to change as initiatives for making swedish clubs competititve has been taken. The clubs are also investing themselves. And a mix of this has brought a footballstadium boom to the country.

Basically im going to list the stadiums with some information and then give my own opinions as to what more can be done.

Stadium 1, Name not decided, will be built where "gamla ullevi" stands today after this season Capacity: ca 19 000 , Other: Closed corners for better atmosphere, will be the women's national teams nationalstadium, Affected clubs: GAIS (New home stadium), ÖIS (New home stadium) och IFK Göteborg (New home stadium). City: Göteborg

RENDERS/MODELS:

http://www.gardakvarnen.se/admin/section/1/image/Ullevi01.jpg
http://www.gardakvarnen.se/admin/section/1/image/Ullevi02.jpg
http://www.gardakvarnen.se/admin/section/1/image/Ullevi03.jpg
http://www.gardakvarnen.se/admin/section/1/image/Ullevi04.jpg
http://www.gardakvarnen.se/admin/section/1/image/Ullevi05.jpg
http://www.gardakvarnen.se/admin/section/1/image/Ullevi06.jpg

UPDATE - Stadium now under construction

Stadium 2, The new "söderstadion" which will most likely stand where söderstadion stands today close to the globe arena (icehockey etc). Built by the club Hammarby which is supported by sponsors. Capcity: ca 20 000 - 50 000 (One alternative is that it should be able to be changed for current requirements) , Other: Closed corners, Affected clubs: Hammarby (New home stadium). City: Stockholm

Stadium 3, Malmö FF's new stadium, to be built somewhere in malmö, cost - around 300 - 450 milj swedish kr (about 35-50 milj euros) . Capacity: ca 28 000, Other: the stadium can be expanded with roof and more capacity, Affected clubs: Malmö FF (New home stadium). City: Malmö

RENDERS/MODELS:

http://www.bergark.se/bergark/images/projekt/storbilder/malmo_st.jpg
http://www.bergark.se/bergark/images/projekt/storbilder/malmostanim.gif

UPDATE - STADIUM NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Stadium 4, A new nationalstadium (New Råsunda) close to the current Råsunda. Capacity: 50 000, Other: Project launched by the Swedish football association. Affected clubs: AIK (New home stadium), and Hammarby och Djurgårdens IF at derbys. City: Solna (suburb to Stockholm)

RENDERS:

http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/53/38/62/arena.jpg
http://www.bergark.se/bergark/images/projekt/storbilder/national1_1.jpg
http://www.bergark.se/bergark/images/projekt/storbilder/national5.jpg

Stadium 5, New stadium for Öster. Source "- Vi bearbetar kommunen. Får vi inte fram en modern arena kan vi inte behålla vår position i svensk fotboll. En ny arena är livsviktig för oss.
Leif Widén, sportchef till AB" (Öster representative says its vital for the clubs future to get a new arena to the swedish newspaper Aftonbladet), Expected capacity: ca 18 000, Affected clubs: Öster. City: Växjö

Stadium 6, Djurgården, Rebuilt/new. Capacity: ca 24 000, Other: If stockholms olympiastadion is rebuilt the tracks will be removed. Most likely they will build a new stadium for football use only Affected clubs: Djurgårdens IF. City: Stockholm.

RENDERS/SKETCHES:

http://www.skolproj.se/Stadion_OIP/Perspektiv.jpg
http://www.skolproj.se/Stadion_OIP/Alt_01.jpg

Stadium 7, New stadium built by Kalmar FF. Capacity: 10 000 - 15 000. Other: Will have a roof. Affected clubs: Kalmar FF. City: Kalmar.

RENDERS/SKETCHES:

http://ww2.kalmarff.se/news/ny-arena/skiss1.gif
http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan-061124/01.gif

UPDATE - CLOSING IN TO CONSTRUCTION START

Stadium 8, New stadium built my Helsingborg IF. Capacity: around 20 000. Affected clubs: Helsingborgs IF. City: Helsingborg.

RENDERS/SKETCHES:

http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/2t.jpg
http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/4t.jpg

Stadium 9, Expansion of Nya Ullevi. New capacity: 50 000 - 55 000. Other: Information is indicating they want to raise the short sides to match/go past the capacity of the New Råsunda in order to better compete with Stockholm when trying to get various events. Affected clubs: GAIS, ÖIS, IFK Göteborg and in rare cases other clubs from Göteborg. City: Göteborg.

Stadium 10, Borås arena, finished 2005. Capacity: 17 000. Other: totalt cost about 13 milj euros. Affected clubs IF Elfsborg. City: Borås.

PHOTOS:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sv/1/1b/Bild%2836%29.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sv/4/45/Bild%2829%29.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sv/4/41/Bild%2834%29.jpg

Stadium 11 Rebuilt idrottsparken in Norrköping. Capacity: 18 000 Affected clubs: IFK Norrköping, Sylvia. City: Norrköping

Stadium 12 New stadium in Halmstad Capacity: 14 000 Other: Halmstads BK has applied to the municipality of the city that they need a new stadium Affected clubs: Halmstads BK City: Halmstad

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Keep in mind many designs and proposals are preliminary.

To complement this and encourage further developement the swedish football association have also proposed to expand the league by two teams to a total of 16 teams ( source: http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=21425&a=498285 )

Another initiative is that Sweden wants to host the european championships and have invited norway to do so with them, but they are awaiting an answer as the norwegian football association are investing/researching the issue.

Below are my opinions on how the situation can be even better.
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I have to proposals for getting the swedish, alternatively the scandinavian teams more competitive in europe. Last year three scandinavian clubs reached the last qualificationround for the Champions league.

Alternative 1

Allsvenskan is expanded my two teams. With 14 teams its a bigger chance for attendancewise big teams to be relegated. This has happened and when it has, the swedish first league loses a lot of quality. With 16 teams the chance is big that there will always be 12-14 attendancewise stronger teams in the league.

Alternative 2

Royal league gets scraped and instead is created a joint scandinavian first leauge with 16 - 18 teams. Todays highest leagues in Norway, Sweden and Denmark (and Iceland?) will therefore become the new second leagues.
The winner or alternatively the two best from the highest national leagues (scandinavian second leagues) end upp in a joint qualification league/series after the regular season, together with the two lowest placed teams in the scandinavian first league, and this qualification decides which teams will be regulated/promoted to/from the Scandinavian first league.

For the first season the six highest placed clubs from SAS-ligan, Tippeligan och Allsvenskan can enter the new highest league.

The result of both alternatives should be:

1. Higher mediumattendance
2. Tougher competition
3. More championsleague qualification spots (at least the second proposal)

Further measueres is to lower taxes for fotballclubs and players to make it easier for the clubs to compete in Europe economically (This is doubtfull as it may create injustices in the society. But many people appreciate football, at the same time many doesnt and probably doesnt think its worth it so...)

Natural clubs in a joint scandinavian league (first division) that immediately makes it water frenetically around the mouth are:

- GAIS (Sweden)
- Rosenborg (Norway)
- Vålerengen (Norway)
- FC Köpenhamn (Denmark)
- Bröndby (Denmark)
- Hammarby IF (Sweden)
- Malmö FF (Sweden)
- AIK (Sweden)

Teams which may eventually qualify/establish to the league are:

- Norrköping(Sweden)
- IF Elfsborg(Sweden)
- IFK Göteborg(Sweden)
- ÖIS(Sweden)
- Helsingborgs IF(Sweden)
- Djurgårdens IF (Sweden)
- FC Lyn (Norway)
- Ålborg (Denmark)
- Århus (Denmark)
- Lilleström (Norway)
- Viking FK (Norway)
- SK Brann (Norway)
- AaB (Denmark)
- FC Midtjylland (Denmark)

At least we know that currently its to passive around swedish football and something has to be done, as its rather falling in quality than climbing. (Even though we have GAIS, the eternal ideal)

Note: It would also benefit the countries hotelindustry with the travelling supporters

Add your opinions and more renders, news, etc.

ØlandDK

September 11th, 2006, 11:52 PM

Loranga

September 12th, 2006, 11:34 AM

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=672&a=571854&previousRenderType=6

Roof on Borås Arena?

Also an interesting note:

Kändes det någon gång som om ni spelade ett högt spel när ni satte era planer i verket om en ny arena?
- Faktiskt inte. Klart att det varit en stor satsning. Men vi kände oss ändå relativt trygga med den kompetens som finns i klubben. Med hjälp av en gammal Skanska-chef kunde vi bland annat bygga den här arenan för 117 miljoner. Ett par år innan hade Borås stad fått en prislapp på 350 miljoner.

Will all these new stadia be built with swedish or latvian construction workers? ;)

GNU

September 12th, 2006, 02:46 PM

I want to see some renderings!!! :cheers:

skaP187

September 12th, 2006, 03:17 PM

Great idea about the joined competition, that's what they should do for the Benelux too!
And yeah we would like to se some rendering man!!

Rausa

September 12th, 2006, 03:54 PM

New Råsunda 50.000, Solna (Stockholm)

http://www.bergark.se/bergark/images/projekt/storbilder/national1_1.jpg
http://www.bergark.se/bergark/images/projekt/storbilder/national5.jpg
http://www.svenskfotboll.se/files/%7B1B58083B-175B-4266-9FE5-06A01DA86F63%7D.jpg
http://www.svenskfotboll.se/files/%7BFD443A39-499B-4B56-A48E-D2048C17A273%7D.jpg
http://www.svenskfotboll.se/files/%7B06851101-D204-4636-8BE4-23052C6E044C%7D.jpg

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"New Söderstadion" 25.000-50.000+, Stockholm

Here's a PDF that includes all proposals regarding this stadium
http://www.stockholm.se/upload/Fackforvaltningar/Markkontoret/Frist%C3%A5ende%20sajter/Evenemangsstaden/Evenemangsstaden%20en%20ny%20stadsdel%202006-04-24.pdf

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Expanded Olympia ~20.000, Helsingborg

http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/2t.jpg (http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/2.jpg)
http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/3t.jpg (http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/3.jpg)
http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/4t.jpg (http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/4.jpg)
http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/1t.jpg (http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/1.jpg)
http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/8t.jpg (http://www.hif.se/images/olympia/8.jpg)
Klick for larger

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"Kalmar Arena" 13.000, Kalmar

http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan-06-08-22/01-1024.jpg
http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan-06-08-22/02-1024.jpg
http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan-06-08-22/03-1024.jpg

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"New Old Ullevi" ~18-19.000, Gothenburg

http://www.svenskafans.com/image/1/13323.jpg

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"Malmö Arena" 27.000-30.000, Malmö

http://www.bergark.se/bergark/images/projekt/storbilder/malmo_st.jpg
http://www.bergark.se/bergark/images/projekt/storbilder/malmostanim.gif
These are not the final renders, there are 4 designs made i think, and the winner will be presented anytime soon..

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Expanded Norrköpings IP 18.000, Norrköping

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/images/news/norkoepping_26042006_1.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/images/news/norkoepping_26042006_3.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/images/news/norkoepping_26042006_2.jpg

And also Halmstads BK have plans to build a new ~16.000 stadium, no renders yet tho.

GNU

September 12th, 2006, 05:02 PM

^^ those look great!! :eat:

the stadium in Stockholm is the best of course.
I just hope that the new Söderstadion gets 50k!

Alle

September 12th, 2006, 08:34 PM

I don't understand why you put Århus (I guess it's AGF you are talking about) on that list since they are playing in the 2'nd best league (viasat sport ligaen)...And why are there 4 swedish clubs on the list of teams which natural should join the league? (and only 2 norwegian and danish teams?)

I dont know as much about Danish and Norwegian football as i do about swedish, its just my estimation. About the four swedish clubs contra 2 norwegian and danish. Its just my opinion, keep in bind as i said im more into swedish football, naturally becouse i live here. I gave a rough example of which teams i personally thing would be beneficial, if u have other opinions please inform me so that we can discuss it :) .

Checker:

not very likely im afraid. Becouse they wouldnt fill them, and with already a 50 000 stadium launched in teh stockholm area there arent demand for another one. But there are things indicating its possible becouse the sponsor behind Hammarby in the project, have already built and manages big stadiums in Europe and North America (maybe elsewhere to).

Anway, some information is indicating that they wanted to built a supermodern stadium with customizable capacity from 20 000 - 50 000 depending on the circumstances, dont ask me how they thought that would work. But its an interesting thought, maybe not practical though.

Ringil

September 12th, 2006, 09:29 PM

awesome! :cheers:

Rausa

September 13th, 2006, 11:39 AM

Alle

September 13th, 2006, 01:38 PM

At the moment im against a joint league because Allsvenskan can become a "big" european league on its own. Our avg. attendance is higher than some bigger euro leagues so there is no lack of interest. This year the average for Allsvenskan will probably be ~10.000, and when the new stadiums gets built we can set our goals for 14-16.000 or maby even more?
A perfect exampel of succes (on and off the field) is Elfsborg's IF, when their new stadium was finnished last year they doubled their turnover that season, and they are expected to be able to almost double it again in a couple of years. So when the big clubs in Sweden build their new stadiums they will be able to compete with larger clubs in Europe no doubt. One thing is certain, that Malmö FF will become alot bigger. Their deal with IMG is the largest so far in Scandinavia, I don't have the exact figures, but it had 9 numbers in it.

But if there was plans to create a Scandinavian league, som problems like relegation and promotion must be solved in a fair way. So there is no country without or with very few teams in the league. The Champions league spots should be given to the winner of the league and the best/next best team from each country. Because I dont want to see a country without a team in CL.

I dont agree about the scandinavian league. Your leagueposition should decide if your worthy playing in the CL or not. As a joint scandinavian league, all clubs should be threated primarily like scandinavian clubs competitionwise, not swedish, norwegian and danish clubs. And no matter if we have three swedish, norwegian or danish clubs from the scandinavian league in CL, or a combination, all other clubs in the league will benefit from their success becouse of the tougher competition, higher popularity (attendance, sponsors, tv-contracts).

When it comes to keeping it so that there is always a minimal amount of clubs from every country in the league. That can be discussed if it is or is not fair. The question is if its possible at all to do in any other way, becouse lets say two clubs from each of the second division (6 clubs in total) qualify for the promotion/relegation league of the scandinavian first league. There has to be an equal amount from every country which doesnt make it/becomes relegated so that there is the same number of clubs in the first divisions next year.

In sweden we had a southern/northern division 1 (second division at that time) a couple of years ago, how did that work? Becouse maybe this could work the same way, even though there would be three and not two second divisions

staff

September 13th, 2006, 01:53 PM

Natural clubs in a joint scandinavian league (first division) that immediately makes it water frenetically around the mouth are:

- GAIS (Sweden)
- Rosenborg (Norway)
- Vålerengen (Norway)
- FC Köpenhamn (Denmark)
- Bröndby (Denmark)
- Hammarby IF (Sweden)
- Malmö FF (Sweden)
- AIK (Sweden)

Teams which eventually qualify/establish to the league are:

- Norrköping(Sweden)
- IF Elfsborg(Sweden)
- IFK Göteborg(Sweden)
- ÖIS(Sweden)
- Helsingborgs IF(Sweden)
- FC Lyn (Norway)
- Ålborg (Denmark)
- Århus (Denmark)
- Lilleström (Norway)
- Viking FK (Norway)
- SK Brann (Norway)
- AaB (Denmark)
- FC Midtjylland (Denmark)
:lol:
Are you fucking out of your mind!?

Alle

September 13th, 2006, 02:01 PM

Why? My opinion as to which teams would add most to the league. With Roland "Rolle" Nilsson as manager, we, GAIS, will be at the top of allsvenskan next season ^^. Like the good old days... no matter how many times SvFF and others make GAIS fall were back. In the early days of swedish football, like the first decade of the 20th century, GAIS were relegated from the first league becouse they thought there where to many clubs from Göteborg in the league and wanted to decentralise it. And they relegated GAIS altough they werent the lowest positioned club in the league from Göteborg! Some of those in the decisive organistaions were from IFK Göteborg, GAIS had no people in these organisations those days. But GAIS came back and after the ten first season of Allsvenskan GAIS clearly had the lead in the marathontable (and a lot of GAIS players helped Swedish national team. A note is that at one time in the twenties (if i remember correctly), the swedish national team, consisting only of stockholmsplayers, lost a game in Göteborg and got "outbooed", after that they invited Göteborg to gather a national team for Sweden and playbin stockholm to see if they would do better. That was i think the first time Göteborgplayers got the chance in the nationalteam which was run by stockholmbased SvFF, half of the team where from GAIS and half from IFK Göteborg, the tema one the first game in Stockholm and got a lot of cheers, after that most of these players made a career in the national team to and helped the national team to a lot of success, and ever since göteborgbasedplayers have represented Sweden), we will be there again one day i believe ;).

CorliCorso

September 13th, 2006, 04:13 PM

Wot, no Djurgarden? Not even in the 'eventually' list!

kingdomca

September 13th, 2006, 04:14 PM

kingdomca

September 13th, 2006, 04:20 PM

AKING
Great pics and info,
Its amazing whats happening in Sweden, and certainly needed.

I especially like the new Old Ullevi, which I believe will have permanent standing areas and also NOT meet UEFA standards on issues such as gap between the pitch and stands, but it simply doesnt matter as should the clubs qualify for europe, matches will simply be moved to New Ullevi across the street as other big matches are.
Is New Ullevi really certain to be expanded to 55,000?

Crowds will almost certainly grow massively with all these new venues, but I know there is also talk in Sweden of how to extend the season.
Currently it really is rather farcical
When the swedish league resumed in mid july after the world cup, clubs had only played 6 weeks of football in the last 8-9 months as a a 5-month winter break ended only 6 weeks before a 2-month world cup break.

It will be great when improved pitch technology becomes available. I have more faith in new technologies for growing real grass rather than artificial surfaces, but whatever wins, it will be good to have a better season

kingdomca

September 13th, 2006, 04:39 PM

As for a scandinavian league, why not have both?

All scandinavian countries have both summer and winter breaks, so why not play an extremly intense national championship in the spring and then a sort of scandinavian champions league-style tournament in the autumn.

Sweden could have a 10-team league beginning in february/march and finishing in may/june (depending on whether its a tournament year)
18 matches, short , very intense and with everything to play for as there is qualification for both europe and the scandinavian level and in the spring all focus could be on the league as not too many clubs will remain in europe.

The scandinavian level then begins in late july, and will at first perhaps not be too keenly followed, but it doesnt matter much as most attention at that time of year will be on the big clubs attempts to get into the CL. The scandinavian league can slowly develop and it will certainly be more interesting than the mismatches in the form of fewer weak teams in the top league

But the best part of a scandinavian league will actually be its effect on the national leagues, which will remain the most important part of the season.
A swedish 10-team, 18-game season with new developments, Rasunda 50,000 , New Ullevi 55,000 and Malmo 30,000, well its anyone´s guess what kind of crowds could be achieved.
A 30,000 or even higher league average seems completly realistic to me

Alle

September 13th, 2006, 04:41 PM

No it is not certain New Ullevi will be expanded, its a proposal, and if it goes through. They wont start the expansionwork before New old ullevi is finished, becouse while its built GAIS, ÖIS and IFK are going to play at New Ullevi.

As to the permanent stands. We, the GAISsupporters want to have permanent stands on the side of the pitch, the ÖIS havnt made their mind up and those stupid people we call IFK supporters actually doesnt want stands/or want it behind the goal :S. Kind of pisses me off, i hope they change their mind or that the öissupporters manages to push their intellectual activity to the maximum of their low öisability and shout out the need for permanent stands on ne of the side of the pitch.

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NEWS:

Latest proposal for Djurgårdens new stadium can be found here (http://www.skolproj.se/i2.html?http://www.skolproj.se/stadion_ny.html)

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Kingdomca:

We already have the royal league and its not very good in my opinion, what we need is a better regular league. And about 10 teams, i dont think fewer teams are the solution for Sweden as ive already written. I think we should add two more teams to the highest league for a longer season and for the reasons noted in the opening post of this thread.

Köbtke

September 13th, 2006, 11:01 PM

- Ålborg (Denmark)
- AaB (Denmark)

LOL, same team dude. AaB stands for Aalborg Boldklub (or Ålborg, as double A - no pun intended - is the old Danish version of the modern letter Å)

Anyway, it does indeed look very exciting what's happening in Sweden at the moment. I've long considered Sweden to be the established footballing nation with the worst stadiums, in all of Europe (or Western Eutope at least). So it's about time something happened, and that something looks good :)

As far as the joint Scandinavian competition goes, I'm all for it. I'd love a fixed Scandinavian league consisting of the best teams from Norway, Sweden and Denmark (no Iceland or Finland, as they simply can't compete) where there's relegation to and from the national first leagues.

There are of course the distances the supporters would have to travel, and with Royal League, we haven't seen an increase in attendances, but a significant lowering to Royal League matches. But all in all, in the long run I think a join league would help do exactly what you predict, and I think it could be just that step upwards which all the big teams in Scandinavia definately could use.

By the way, you also talk about the lowering of taxes for football clubs etc.; well, as you also start out by saying, such a thing has pretty much been done in Denmark, and that's what has helped FCK establish a team of arguably the best (and for the most part, most expensive) football players in Scandinavia. FCK has the second best economy of ANY football club in the World, after Man U. And they're by far the richest club in Scandinavia.

But has it given FCK and the other Danish team that extra edge sports wise which has helped them propel their game to the next level? Not really, no. Not yet, anyway.

So I say: Let's get a join Scandinavian league at the expense of the national leagues. The sooner the better ;)

kingdomca

September 13th, 2006, 11:24 PM

LOL, same team dude. AaB stands for Aalborg Boldklub (or Ålborg, as double A - no pun intended - is the old Danish version of the modern letter Å)

Anyway, it does indeed look very exciting what's happening in Sweden at the moment. I've long considered Sweden to be the established footballing nation with the worst stadiums, in all of Europe (or Western Eutope at least). So it's about time something happened, and that something looks good :)

As far as the joint Scandinavian competition goes, I'm all for it. I'd love a fixed Scandinavian league consisting of the best teams from Norway, Sweden and Denmark (no Iceland or Finland, as they simply can't compete) where there's relegation to and from the national first leagues.

There are of course the distances the supporters would have to travel, and with Royal League, we haven't seen an increase in attendances, but a significant lowering to Royal League matches. But all in all, in the long run I think a join league would help do exactly what you predict, and I think it could be just that step upwards which all the big teams in Scandinavia definately could use.

By the way, you also talk about the lowering of taxes for football clubs etc.; well, as you also start out by saying, such a thing has pretty much been done in Denmark, and that's what has helped FCK establish a team of arguably the best (and for the most part, most expensive) football players in Scandinavia. FCK has the second best economy of ANY football club in the World, after Man U. And they're by far the richest club in Scandinavia.

But has it given FCK and the other Danish team that extra edge sports wise which has helped them propel their game to the next level? Not really, no. Not yet, anyway.

So I say: Let's get a join Scandinavian league at the expense of the national leagues. The sooner the better ;)

But arent you just assuming FCK will be at the top?
Once FCK are lying in 8th going nowhere midseason facing a trip to Stavanger or somewhere, I think interest will drop off.
This will happen.
3 leagues will become just one. All the interest build around the natinal championships in each country will be lost.

Why not keep the natinal leagues but reduce them in size? lose all the weak teams that are an inevitable part of leagues in small countries and drag down the standard of play.
Not only do wee keep the national championships which are followed with great interest but we make them better and raise the level and then develop a scandinavian CL-style autumn play-off.

The royal league now is pointless training games and cannot be compared. Its played indoors or on hopeless pitches and not taken seriously, because its an off-season add-on to full-year national leagues.

For Denmark, I would actually toy with the idea of a closed-shop 6-team, 20- game league. It fits the population and geography of Denmark, and all clubs could then move much closer to FCK.
Currently the danish league is not too good and there is real danger of FCK becoming completly financially dominant.

AKING
Yes you prefer 16 teams. I only think 10 is better if the swedish league became a half-year championships.
You retain the national league and swap games against the 6 weak teams for mathces against better teams in neighbouring countries.

I think if Sweden go on as now or expand to 16, yes it will be a good league. But the level of play will remain low and Sweden will not improve much in europe

I see 3 possibilities:

1.Competitive leagues + low average standard
2.Uncompetitive leagues with a few dominant teams doing well in europe

(1 is where sweden is, and 2 seems to be where Denmark is heading, netheris any good)

3. competitive as well as reaching a level where teams can compete in europe
and this is only possible with an inter-scandinavian element.

Köbtke

September 14th, 2006, 09:38 AM

But arent you just assuming FCK will be at the top?
Once FCK are lying in 8th going nowhere midseason facing a trip to Stavanger or somewhere, I think interest will drop off.
This will happen.
3 leagues will become just one. All the interest build around the natinal championships in each country will be lost.

Why not keep the natinal leagues but reduce them in size? lose all the weak teams that are an inevitable part of leagues in small countries and drag down the standard of play.
Not only do wee keep the national championships which are followed with great interest but we make them better and raise the level and then develop a scandinavian CL-style autumn play-off.

The royal league now is pointless training games and cannot be compared. Its played indoors or on hopeless pitches and not taken seriously, because its an off-season add-on to full-year national leagues.

For Denmark, I would actually toy with the idea of a closed-shop 6-team, 20- game league. It fits the population and geography of Denmark, and all clubs could then move much closer to FCK.
Currently the danish league is not too good and there is real danger of FCK becoming completly financially dominant.

Well, yes, I'm assuming FCK will be at the top of a possible joint Scandinavian league. Why? I'll get back to that.

Even if FCK shouldn't be at the top all the time, it will still give them a major boost; it'll give them added competition, which will in turn better their chances when they venture off to Europe, it will - in the long run, help bring up revenues, and it will help attract better players, as the opposition every week are teams like Rosenborg, Malmø etc. (of course not superstars, but players a few levels above what FCK are able to attract in the Danish league).

Anyway, I'm assuming FCK will be at the top of a Scandinavian league simply because they're right now the richest and best club in Scandinavia. I know Royal League doesn't count for much, but they've won it the first two years it's been running. Their entire setup, in my opinion, makes them fit for continuing to be the top of Scandinavian football, and with the boost they could get from a Scandinavian league, I can only see them improving. They might not win it every year, infact I highly doubt they would, but that wouldn't matter that much me, if they improve their game and are fit for Europe.
One Scandinavian league win would to me be a lot better than a lot of Danish league wins.

I agree that the standard of Danish football isn't the best, we have two or three, maybe four, teams who have a chance of competing internationally every season, and even that goes down the drain most seasons. And I don't see any tampering with the league structure as the means to better this.

Sure, your idea with taking only the best teams from the national leagues and creating 6 team leagues and then for the best of those to go into an autumn league modelled after the Champions League could maybe work, but I have three major grievances against that:

1: I fear it would be like the Royal League now, only a little better. What would the teams take most serioiusly, winning the national 6-league, or winning the Scandinavian league? Would all teams take the same competition more seriously?
2: I think something completely new is needed to break the mould for teams like FCK, and I don't think we can let sentimental values of wanting to retain the national leagues stand in the way if that.
3: Sure, Brøndby can match FCK in most areas, but who are the other four teams who can?

OB: Financially: No - Sporting wise: Sometimes, the occasional fluke
AaB: Financially: No - Sporting wise: Sometimes, the occasional fluke
FCM: Financially: No - Sporting wise: Sometimes, the occasional fluke
FCN: Financially: No - Sporting wise: Sometimes, the occasional fluke
EFB: Financially: No - Sporting wise: Sometimes, the occasional fluke

I have trouble seeing how it would make things that much more interesting, or make the teams better that much better. I still don't give fuck about teams in Jylland or anywhere else than Copenhagen when it comes to football, and I'd much, much rather see FCK playing only the best teams from Norway and Sweden than playing Esbjerg, FCM and AaB.

For me, it's all about how my team can progress, and I don't see any way for them to progress notably while having the Danish league as its major competition. So screw the national league, to me it's worth nothing more than the paper its rules are written on. Bring on some opposition which matches FCK, both financially and in sporting terms, and only Brøndby comes close both in Denmark, so we have to look elsewhere.

Alle

September 14th, 2006, 02:42 PM

But arent you just assuming FCK will be at the top?
Once FCK are lying in 8th going nowhere midseason facing a trip to Stavanger or somewhere, I think interest will drop off.
This will happen.
3 leagues will become just one. All the interest build around the natinal championships in each country will be lost.

Why not keep the natinal leagues but reduce them in size? lose all the weak teams that are an inevitable part of leagues in small countries and drag down the standard of play.
Not only do wee keep the national championships which are followed with great interest but we make them better and raise the level and then develop a scandinavian CL-style autumn play-off.

The royal league now is pointless training games and cannot be compared. Its played indoors or on hopeless pitches and not taken seriously, because its an off-season add-on to full-year national leagues.

For Denmark, I would actually toy with the idea of a closed-shop 6-team, 20- game league. It fits the population and geography of Denmark, and all clubs could then move much closer to FCK.
Currently the danish league is not too good and there is real danger of FCK becoming completly financially dominant.

AKING
Yes you prefer 16 teams. I only think 10 is better if the swedish league became a half-year championships.
You retain the national league and swap games against the 6 weak teams for mathces against better teams in neighbouring countries.

I think if Sweden go on as now or expand to 16, yes it will be a good league. But the level of play will remain low and Sweden will not improve much in europe

I see 3 possibilities:

1.Competitive leagues + low average standard
2.Uncompetitive leagues with a few dominant teams doing well in europe

(1 is where sweden is, and 2 seems to be where Denmark is heading, netheris any good)

3. competitive as well as reaching a level where teams can compete in europe
and this is only possible with an inter-scandinavian element.

I know why u think its better with a 10 team league. But the problem in reality is that u cannot decide if u want to keep the strong or weak teams. With 10 teams u might get the opposite effect, becouse there is such a big chance that weak teams (attendancewise) get promoted two years in a row while bigger teams have bad seasons and get relegated. Thats the problem we have had in Sweden som years like last year, when Superettan, the second division, was not relatively far behind allsvenskan IMO. Thats why more teams would make it more probably that the bigger clubs actually stay in the higher league.

I dont believe in a scandinavian CL, it would still be like royal league. What i want is a real league, not a tournament. So i dont like the idea of 10 clubs, mostly becouse i believe we have enough clubs big enough to compete with each other in a 16 team league. That way clubs get time to settle in the higher league and develop.

It may be possible with a ten team league by only relegating one team, or one team + qualificationplace, per year.

I also believe we need to extend our season, not shorten it, we already have a short regular season in scandinavia.

So my opinion is that expanding the league would help more than decreasing the number of teams to 10, but of course, i may not be correct. If we look at portugal, there we have an example of a bigger league with about the same population, and their clubs go well in Europe.

Even if FCK shouldn't be at the top all the time, it will still give them a major boost; it'll give them added competition, which will in turn better their chances when they venture off to Europe,

Totally agree on that point, that would be one of the major gains, more competition.

Reptilikus

September 14th, 2006, 07:36 PM

I like the discussion about a future Scandinavian leauge, and let me start by saying that I am in favour for the league.
But there are some very big obstacles to be removed before a Scandinavian league can be founded!

1. Tv-agrements: As I recall does the danish Television agrement runs until 2012, and the league can't be change considerably in that period of time!
Norway has recently made a new television agrement.

2. The smaller clubs: In Denmark does the smaller clubs has a lot to say when it comes to making changes in the Danish League. They will never accept to let the best Danish clubs leave the tournament. Even thought they could join a 2.division scandinavian leauge, they would still lose their most attractive matches and properly most of the tv viewers!

3. I don't think UEFA will ever accept that international leagues is created. The will see it as a big competition to the Champions Leauge and UEFA Cup.
They also fear that if a international league is created, in Scandinavia or Netherlands/Belgium, then the big club from the G14 will pres on to create an European league or maybe begin to join leagues across borders.

I think that the biggest chance of a international league is that the G14 breaks out of UEFA and creates their own. If this happens the Champions Leauge will lose most of its value! Then it could be more attractive for the Scandinavian Clubs to make their own private tournament or try to join the G14 league.

Alle

September 14th, 2006, 08:46 PM

Reptilikus:

I dont agree on point 3, becouse this is a league, not a tournament and the big publicity, money and feat will still be the CL.

But i totally agree that there are several problematic points to solve to make it work.

Of course tv-agreements (note that the swdish league has also just got a new television agreements) would have to be rewritten (or they would just keep it for the scandinavian second division they have an agreement with). Or we would in the worst case have to wait for the agreements to run out, but there must be a faster solution.

About the smaller clubs, they have just as big chance to qualify to the new scandinavian top league (theoretically) as the "big" clubs.

But the G14 league wouldnt happen im quite sure, becouse scandinavia is still quite small populationwise. While the G14 is spread across the continents largest countries where there already are big leagues. But you never know... remember they get a big part, i think majority of their income from CL. So they would have to take a huge risk.

_________

I still see the major problematic issue about a scandinavian league is how the relegation/promotion would work to keep the number of clubs in all three second divisons the same each year. Il make some research about how the old swedish north/south division one worked and try to draw some parallels.

Reptilikus

September 14th, 2006, 09:24 PM

Reptilikus

September 14th, 2006, 09:26 PM

I still think it will be problematic to cancel the tv agreements, unless the tv-station agree to drop the national agreements and make a new for the Scandinavian league. But I don't think it would work out with the EU rules for business.
The the most possible is to wait it out, and don't renew the agreements.

I still think you have to look a little diffently on the situation the small clubs would be in.
Imagine that you are the president for a club i the middle of the league. Let's say Kalmar FF. As the situation is now, you know your gonna have some matches with the big teams, let's say IFK Göteborg, Djurgården and AIK. The matches will have a good crowd, and probably live-tv. So you know that some good money will come in every year.

If you then know that your team Kalmar FF will start in the 2.division,and therefore just have to play agaist the other middle teams. Not so attractive to draw a big crowd and live-tv. So the good income will be gone!
I know that your would have the chance of moving your team up to the 1.division, but if only 1 or max 2 can move up they chances is small!
So to sum up! Your team Kalmar FF will have a little chance of making it to the 1.division where the good money is, but a big chance of staying in the 2.division where the money has disapeared.

I don't know your favourite team but image yourself thinking: Will I see the match Göteborg vs. FC Copenhagen or do I want to see Kalmar FF vs. Halmstad. I know what I would choose!

About the G14, I still think that it's possible that the break out of the UEFA, but it isn't gonna happen which in a few years. A lot of things depends on the trial G14 is going to rise against the national football federations for not paying refundment to the clubs for injured players.
Actual I don't find a G14 league a good idea, because it will make it allost imposible for the scandinavian teams to join the league.
But it would change the european football for good!

Alle

September 15th, 2006, 08:21 AM

I would always watch GAIS no matter what division they play in. And yes the second division will maybe lose some attraction as the scandinavian league will be the focus. But they will also have a lot to play for.

kingdomca

September 15th, 2006, 04:33 PM

Sure, your idea with taking only the best teams from the national leagues and creating 6 team leagues and then for the best of those to go into an autumn league modelled after the Champions League could maybe work, but I have three major grievances against that:

1: I fear it would be like the Royal League now, only a little better. What would the teams take most serioiusly, winning the national 6-league, or winning the Scandinavian league? Would all teams take the same competition more seriously?
2: I think something completely new is needed to break the mould for teams like FCK, and I don't think we can let sentimental values of wanting to retain the national leagues stand in the way if that.
3: Sure, Brøndby can match FCK in most areas, but who are the other four teams who can?

OB: Financially: No - Sporting wise: Sometimes, the occasional fluke
AaB: Financially: No - Sporting wise: Sometimes, the occasional fluke
FCM: Financially: No - Sporting wise: Sometimes, the occasional fluke
FCN: Financially: No - Sporting wise: Sometimes, the occasional fluke
EFB: Financially: No - Sporting wise: Sometimes, the occasional fluke

I have trouble seeing how it would make things that much more interesting, or make the teams better that much better. I still don't give fuck about teams in Jylland or anywhere else than Copenhagen when it comes to football, and I'd much, much rather see FCK playing only the best teams from Norway and Sweden than playing Esbjerg, FCM and AaB.

For me, it's all about how my team can progress, and I don't see any way for them to progress notably while having the Danish league as its major competition. So screw the national league, to me it's worth nothing more than the paper its rules are written on. Bring on some opposition which matches FCK, both financially and in sporting terms, and only Brøndby comes close both in Denmark, so we have to look elsewhere.

on your 3 points.
re. 1 yes it would be like the royal league but on proper pitches and as part of the actual season. That is already a massive step forward.
Also the idea is to play more in the spring and less in the autumn,meaning ti would be more like 2/3 national 1/3 scandinavian meaning few matches but important.
The hope would be that this new scandi-CL would develop slowly with matches in august-october, while the main attention is on clubs in europe anyway, and it will only replace the early season league matches where crowds are ususally poor anyway.
The national league would, in my opinion, get a massive boost by becoming a 4-5 month intense tournament, not 11 month, huge break borathon with too many weak teams.

re. 2 ) will a scandinavian league really work? will more people come to watch FCK play Bergen as part of a long season than say FCK against anybody in the run-in to the danish championship?
No they wouldnt.
Better to make the danish league small and intense as all samll countries should do.
Its not sentimentality. Its just as much financial sense.
The CL is mainly an english-spanish-italian competition, but there is little chance of these 3 nations wanting a euro-league. They simply dont dare. There is way more guaranteed money in the domestic leagues.
If an actual euro-league were to happen, it would have happened by now.
If it doesnt work with a league for eng-spa-Ita why would it work for den-swe-nor with a scandinavian league?
We dont know each others teams well at all ( as the post with AaB and Ålborg as different teams very well show) and as on the european level. keeping the national leagues is sensible,also financially.

re. 3. other teams than brondby can compete, especially if these are mergers or new clubs. That has to be the way forward for Denmark. FCK themselves are a merged club.

You may feel superior to Jylland but the only problem in Jylland is that there are too many clubs, just like there were in Copenhagen before FCK.

Dont forget, that more people live in Jylland than in all of sjælland, never mind copenhagen, so why on earth should it not be able to creat more clubs like FCK

5 of the 6 clubs are obvious:
1.FCK
2.Brondby
3. FC Fyn. 1 club representing all of Fyn, playing in Odense, which is right in the centre of Fyn. The population of Fyn is around 500.000 of which the vast majority live less than an hour away from Odense. Fyn is an island and a very natural region making it easy to get people attracted to the concept once the potential becomes clear. Its hard to see why they shouldnt be able to develop as FCK has.
4. FC Nordjylland. 1 club representing all of Nordjylland playing in aalborg right in the centre. Again there is a population base of 500,000 and again the majority live close to aalborg and again Nordjylland is a natural region.
5. AGF/Aarhus/Østjylland/central Jylland. biggest city outside copenhagen, population of 3-500,000 in the city/ reasonably close area. It doesnt have a natural region like Fyn or Nordjylland but the actual city is bigger and up to 1 million people all over central jylland would have Aarhus as its club. Obviously there would be a club here, though I am not sure its name, whether it should have a a slightly artificial regional or just go with the city of aarhus. That also depends on the location of the last club.
6. Fc Trekanten/vejle/ South Denmark. This is the only club that isnt quite obvious. It would be the weakest of the clubs judged purely on populatin base etc. They would play in Vejle a town of around 50,000 but 3 similar sized cities are close by reaching a population base of perhaps 2-300,000 but with all of South jylland as a potential fan base though people would have to travel a bit.
The alternative could be an FC Midtjylland/vestjylland playing in Herning. If the Aarhus team becomes focused on the city, then a new FC midtjylland team could represnt a huge region but also over long distances. It would mean drawing more people from vestjylland to a club without losing the people in trekanten area as they would still be quite close to odense and Aarhus. I think such an FC midt/vestjylland would be a bit too artificial, thoug, too long distances, but it could work.

These 4 new clubs would realistically fill 30,000 venues in the long run, with crowds increasing as they have for FCK.
FCK would of course also develop further, and always have the big capital city advantage but these 4 new clubs should at least get as close as Brondby.
Look at it from FCK´s point of view. With such a 6 team league, there would be just 10 home games, 2 would be against Brondby, and with a shorter intense tournament and fewer games against better opposition with more at stake and in the spring with little distraction from european competition ,
Well I could easily see FCK selling out all their games. It doesnt really matter if the scandinavian CL is a little slow in developing. The massive boost to the national league is the main idea.

Tillman

September 15th, 2006, 05:29 PM

Stadium 3, Malmö FF's new stadium, to be built somewhere in malmö, cost - around 300 - 450 milj swedish kr (about 35-50 milj euros) . Capacity: ca 28 000, Other: the stadium can be expanded with roof and more capacity, Affected clubs: Malmö FF (New home stadium). City: Malmö

Where can one find information about this? Never heard a word about that the future stadium could be expanded.

Stadium 9, Expansion of Nya Ullevi. New capacity: 50 000 - 55 000. Other: Information is indicating they want to raise the short sides to match/go past the capacity of the New Råsunda in order to better compete with Stockholm when trying to get various events. Affected clubs: GAIS, ÖIS, IFK Göteborg and in rare cases other clubs from Göteborg. City: Göteborg.

More info please. Links?

Alle

September 24th, 2006, 09:28 AM

Tillman:

Ive read about New Ullevi in the local Metro newspaper some time ago, about Malmö i read it on Aftonbladets website when they wrote about their new stadium.

Loranga

September 26th, 2006, 09:25 PM

http://mobil.svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=27062&a=667854

It will be artificial turf on the new Råsunda.

cphdude

September 26th, 2006, 09:49 PM

^^Really? Thats....I dont know...really?

Rausa

October 18th, 2006, 12:41 PM

New renders of "Nya gammla Ullevi" in Gothenburg:

http://www.arkitektbyrangbg.se/rwdx/projektbilder/arenan-dag.jpg
http://www.arkitektbyrangbg.se/rwdx/projektbilder/arenan-natt.jpg
http://www.arkitektbyrangbg.se/rwdx/projektbilder/arenan-entre.jpg
http://www.arkitektbyrangbg.se/rwdx/projektbilder/arenan-inne.jpg

Arkitektbyrån (http://www.arkitektbyrangbg.se/)

Neda Say

October 20th, 2006, 01:46 AM

good looking roof but the stadium looks just below average or maybe it's just the rendering who do like a bit rough and shitty

Svempa99

October 22nd, 2006, 04:53 AM

Scandinavian league? No thanks.

I saw that the norwegian league has doubled their attendance figures in five years. Impressive! And I guess the trend is about the same in both the swedish and the danish league. Domestic football is a success! Why then break it up?

People go to games because football is about prestige. A Scandinavian league would never become as filled by prestigeous games as our domestic leagues. Just the fact that we would see fewer derbys would take down the average attendance figures a lot. And then I'm talking both about the Scandi league and the remaining first divisions in our countries.

Rausa

November 25th, 2006, 01:49 AM

Heres the final(?) plan for Kalmar FF's new stadium. Looks really good for such a small stadium, but it looks like there will be roof supports blocking the view for some seats :ohno:..

Capacity 13.500

http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan-061124/02-200_139.gif (http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan-061124/01.gif) http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan-061124/03-200_138.gif (http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan-061124/03.gif) http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan-061124/02-200_52.gif (http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan-061124/02.gif)

Klick for larger^ || Kalmarff.se (www.kalmarff.se)

Alle

December 9th, 2006, 08:53 PM

YES! It has happened, the decision has been taken. The swedish Allsvenskan is going to be extended to 16 teams the year 2008. Wonderful!

Read more at the following links (for those who know swedish)

http://www.svenskfotboll.se/t2.aspx?p=152141&x=1&a=895511

http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=128&a=313077

Now please shut down the royal league! We dont need more matches. And the royal league is a fiasco anyway.

Svempa99:

Personally i think there would be more prestigious games. For me its more prestigious to meet Köpenhamn or Rosenborg then Häcken. The big derbys may still be played depending on which teams make it to the hypothetical scandinavian league.

NOTE:

Old Ullevi is being demolished soon to make way for the construction of the new old ullevi, scheduled for completion by mid-2008.

Id also like to take the oppurtunity to compare this stadiumboom to the arenaboom the swedish icehockeyleague went through with the result of massive popularityboost.

kenny_in_blue

December 9th, 2006, 09:09 PM

^^ wonderful?

Alle

December 20th, 2006, 11:33 PM

What do you mean?

canarywondergod

December 21st, 2006, 01:23 AM

Mo Rush

December 21st, 2006, 01:13 PM

Alle

December 24th, 2006, 12:12 PM

Il try to keep the opening post updated when it comes to the stadiuminformation.

I have some new info, according to SVT Text Halmstads new stadium will have a capacity of 14 000, and is preliminarily called "Nya Örjans vall" (New Örjans Vall).

About the stadium in Göteborg the supporters from all three affected clubs have came to an agreement that they will demand hybrid seat/stand terraces on three of the four sides, two on the short sides and one at the long sideline. The capacity with stands will be over 24 000 and without somewhere around 17 000- 18 000 i think (source www.gardakvarnen.se)

Il try to take some demolishingupdates of the old stadium maybe next week.

Alle

January 9th, 2007, 06:31 PM

News about the stadium in Göteborg, also renders.

http://www.gais.se/Fotboll/gais.nsf/0/0AEFDBD68771C88FC125725E0058CD5A

RENDERS:

http://www.gais.se/Fotboll/gais.nsf/0/C4A681BDFE02FE51C125725E00509EF6

Observe... standing terraces both on the lower and upper tier (those on the upper can be changed to seats). :D

ØlandDK

January 9th, 2007, 11:09 PM

^^
Looks ok...reminds me a bit of Brøndbys stadium:
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/denmark/copenhagen_brondby1.jpg

cphdude

January 9th, 2007, 11:23 PM

^^It does actually. Of couse Brøndbys is a bit bigger. I guess all talks of an expansion is now pretty dead...

ØlandDK

January 10th, 2007, 12:16 AM

yeah...why should they expans if they are going to play 1. division next season:)

cphdude

January 10th, 2007, 12:05 PM

yeah...why should they expans if they are going to play 1. division next season:)

True, true...That would be fun to see, but also a bit boring for those of us who support the other team in the city...Still, I guess Odense could take their place...But thats OT, sorry..

Alle

March 28th, 2007, 12:17 AM

Here are some construction (and demolition) updates of the project in Göteborg

http://www.gaisare.se/

just click on the stadium.

Ive written down some ideas about how to enable a joint scandinavian league to work, on paper, it includes solutions for relegation/promotion and other issues. Il post it during the next week when i have no school.

cphdude

March 31st, 2007, 09:28 PM

Ive written down some ideas about how to enable a joint scandinavian league to work, on paper, it includes solutions for relegation/promotion and other issues. Il post it during the next week when i have no school.

Please post them when you have the time. I am very interested myself in all this...

Martuh

April 2nd, 2007, 03:14 PM

Please post them when you have the time. I am very interested myself in all this...

I'm also very interested.

cphdude

April 9th, 2007, 12:08 PM

Still waiting....Any news??:)

Alle

April 13th, 2007, 12:18 AM

Oh im very sry. This weekend il do it. I forgot :(.

Anyhow the work on the new stadium in Göteborg is now well underway, i think i spotted some piling this tuesday. Also Malmös new stadium is confirmed to be completed in two years by themselves in an interview on SVT.

Malmö is swedens richest club with over 10 million € in own capital, and is expecting to regularly be able to compete in CL/UEFA cup with the new stadium and higher turnover and capital.

Alle

April 15th, 2007, 07:44 PM

cphdude

April 16th, 2007, 11:54 AM

Here it is:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=E570E83B636AC5DC

I believe it would make for a very competitive league with that much to play for. Only problem is that the Danish leagues are played over winter. Dont know how to solve that other than that they have to change that. Or vice versa (highly unlikely becouse of the winterconditions in Sweden and Norway.

Personally I dont like calander years for football. If a team wins the tournement, that momentum should be used at once for international matches in CL or UEFA cup. Waiting maybe 10 months before that is just insane....

So I think it should be the European way, and I think with a little planing from all countries, that could work...

anyways, Ill read what you posted and respond later, though it may not be for a few days, im pretty swamped at the moment...

cphdude

April 22nd, 2007, 12:43 PM

Alle

June 28th, 2007, 05:45 PM

Id love to repost it but cant find the document :(

So if anyone has it please repost.

Alle

August 28th, 2007, 12:58 PM

WEBCAM for the göteborg project.

http://skapawebsql.tripnet.se/higab/getlatest.asp

railcity

August 28th, 2007, 01:36 PM

"Nya Gammla Ullevi" - funny name... :lol: ;)

Vermeer

August 28th, 2007, 02:17 PM

In general I support a nordic league, though only in the sence that it will replace the other national leagues. However if we do that we may end up giving up 1 or 2 CL qualifyer places. That may be okay, if it is replaced by more UEFA rounds.

I also think that we need to keep each countries cup. That way we can ensure atleast one UEFA place to each countries.

I am begining to see that there are many ways of doing this, and I think each countries should set down and try and figure out if this can be done.

I dont remember the specific of your proposel, as I only read it once, and somehow forgot to save it I think. Any chance you could post it again?

I do remember it being very specific and I doubt that I can ad much. It looked good, but can it be sold to each country...And to UEFA....

It’s a risky project to join leagues from different countries and I can not see any advantages by merging the leagues from the three Scandinavian countries. As far as I can see Scandinavia has no football clubs on mid European level. I know Rosenborg held a reasonable good European level and I know FC Copenhagen claims they are one of the richest clubs in Europe and that they made it to the CL once. It seems like Rosenborg has lost their glory, even thou they most likely will play CL this year. FC Copenhagen has never held a good European level and whatever they claims themselves, they do not have economy to buy themselves a place in Europe either. The fact that the company that owns the Club is rich does not mean that the club is rich.
No Swedish clubs have been close to European level after money completely took over European football.
A competition consisting of the 5 – 6 best teams from each Scandinavian country would still be a competition between teams of the lowest European level.

Maybe some of the clubs would get stronger finances, but not all of them. The TV-money would increase, but the ticket money would decrease. A match between AEK and Hammarby is more interesting than a match between AEK and Horsens. A match between Brann and Rosenborg is more interesting than a match between Brann and Elfsborg.

Most likely Sweden would be the big looser in a Scandinavian competition. The stadium development has come much further in Norway and Denmark, than in Sweden. All Danish and Norwegian Teams playing in the two highest leagues will have new and modern stadiums before 2009. Sweden has started the talk about new stadiums, but as far as I know, only one is built (Elfsborg) and two clubs have started the construction (Malmo, Gothenburg). In Norway and Denmark the stadiums are owned by the club, except of FCK, where the stadium owns the club. In Sweden the stadiums will be owned by the municipalities and/or private investors. The stadiums will generate a lot of money for Norwegian and Danish clubs in the future, money Swedish clubs will miss, because they do not own their stadiums. The Scandinavian league may easy end in a situation where Danish and Norwegian clubs buy up the best Swedish players (meaning the players that don’t go to England, Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Netherlands, Scotland, Portugal, Greece, Turkey and so on) because the economy are stronger in RBK, Brann, VIF, Viking, FCK, Broendby, Odense, FC Midtjylland than in AEK, Malmo, IFK and Elfsborg.

It has taken more than 100 years to develop the Swedish, Danish and Norwegian football culture. How long do you think it will take to develop a Scandinavian football culture?

The Scandinavian leauges

Mickey_R

August 29th, 2007, 08:28 PM

Might add the newer renders of the Malmö FF Stadium.

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/Bild1.jpg

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/Bild7.jpg

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/Bild8.jpg

The capacity for the MFF arena is either 21 000 sitting or 18 000 sitting with 6000 standing (People demand to stand in Sweden LOL)

Mickey

Quintana

August 29th, 2007, 08:31 PM

I like the one tiered stand behind the goal.

LMCA1990

August 29th, 2007, 10:09 PM

good for sweden. hopefully their teams will grow with their stadiums.

Chilenofuturista

August 29th, 2007, 10:59 PM

good for sweden. hopefully their teams will grow with their stadiums.

That will never happen. At least not very much, Elfsborg (Swedish Champions) just got humiliated and kicked out by Valencia. Things must change soon.

Quintana

August 30th, 2007, 12:12 PM

They were unlucky the be drawn with Valencia. If they would have gotten Ajax they would be playing in the CL right now :cheers:

Alle

August 30th, 2007, 10:15 PM

It’s a risky project to join leagues from different countries and I can not see any advantages by merging the leagues from the three Scandinavian countries. As far as I can see Scandinavia has no football clubs on mid European level. I know Rosenborg held a reasonable good European level and I know FC Copenhagen claims they are one of the richest clubs in Europe and that they made it to the CL once. It seems like Rosenborg has lost their glory, even thou they most likely will play CL this year. FC Copenhagen has never held a good European level and whatever they claims themselves, they do not have economy to buy themselves a place in Europe either. The fact that the company that owns the Club is rich does not mean that the club is rich.
No Swedish clubs have been close to European level after money completely took over European football.
A competition consisting of the 5 – 6 best teams from each Scandinavian country would still be a competition between teams of the lowest European level.

Maybe some of the clubs would get stronger finances, but not all of them. The TV-money would increase, but the ticket money would decrease. A match between AEK and Hammarby is more interesting than a match between AEK and Horsens. A match between Brann and Rosenborg is more interesting than a match between Brann and Elfsborg.

Most likely Sweden would be the big looser in a Scandinavian competition. The stadium development has come much further in Norway and Denmark, than in Sweden. All Danish and Norwegian Teams playing in the two highest leagues will have new and modern stadiums before 2009. Sweden has started the talk about new stadiums, but as far as I know, only one is built (Elfsborg) and two clubs have started the construction (Malmo, Gothenburg). In Norway and Denmark the stadiums are owned by the club, except of FCK, where the stadium owns the club. In Sweden the stadiums will be owned by the municipalities and/or private investors. The stadiums will generate a lot of money for Norwegian and Danish clubs in the future, money Swedish clubs will miss, because they do not own their stadiums. The Scandinavian league may easy end in a situation where Danish and Norwegian clubs buy up the best Swedish players (meaning the players that don’t go to England, Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Netherlands, Scotland, Portugal, Greece, Turkey and so on) because the economy are stronger in RBK, Brann, VIF, Viking, FCK, Broendby, Odense, FC Midtjylland than in AEK, Malmo, IFK and Elfsborg.

It has taken more than 100 years to develop the Swedish, Danish and Norwegian football culture. How long do you think it will take to develop a Scandinavian football culture?

The Scandinavian leauges

Another problem is that the football associations would have to join together or at least on the elite level work together to get UEFA places.

That will never happen. At least not very much, Elfsborg (Swedish Champions) just got humiliated and kicked out by Valencia. Things must change soon.

I dont agree, altough they got outplayed, they and the rest of Swedens clubs learned how hard they need to work to get have a chance, thats a valuable lesson, remember IFK Göteborg, they got humiliated too before they had some success in europe.

The expansion will really help the league. First of all the swedish league is so even, with the teams so close to each other 4 more games (total of 30 instead of 26) will help the truly best team win. Secondly there are many clubs in the second and even third division coming from cities with Allsvenskan potential (compared to current allsvenskan teams, for example clubs from Jönköping, Linköping, Umeå, Östersund, Norrköping, Växjö). Probably more young players will get a chance, simply becouse more players will play.

In a couple of years, the expansion of the league together with new stadiums will help the league be somewhat competitive in europe at least some years, and some clubs. We desperately need that.

I like the one tiered stand behind the goal.

I love one tiered stands too, would be even better to have one at one of the long sides, these passionate supporters deserve a good view :).

ONE EXTRA NOTE
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Why dont Europe take inspiration from Japan? Where they have many stadiums with stands starting a couple of meters above pitchlevel so even those at the lowest seats have a good view. Like the stadium used for the athletics world championships in Osaka.

Chilenofuturista

August 30th, 2007, 10:36 PM

Another problem is that the football associations would have to join together or at least on the elite level work together to get UEFA places.

I dont agree, altough they got outplayed, they and the rest of Swedens clubs learned how hard they need to work to get have a chance, thats a valuable lesson, remember IFK Göteborg, they got humiliated too before they had some success in europe.

The expansion will really help the league. First of all the swedish league is so even, with the teams so close to each other 4 more games (total of 30 instead of 26) will help the truly best team win. Secondly there are many clubs in the second and even third division coming from cities with Allsvenskan potential (compared to current allsvenskan teams, for example clubs from Jönköping, Linköping, Umeå, Östersund, Norrköping, Växjö). Probably more young players will get a chance, simply becouse more players will play.

I love one tiered stands too, would be even better to have one at one of the long sides, these passionate supporters deserve a good view :).

ONE EXTRA NOTE
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Why dont Europe take inspiration from Japan? Where they have many stadiums with stands starting a couple of meters above pitchlevel so even those at the lowest seats have a good view. Like the stadium used for the athletics world championships in Osaka.

I hope that becomes reality. I hope that Elfsborg learnt the lesson and I hope they'll return next year - stronger and better. But in order to learn this lesson well they must participate next season in some European Cup. I want this to happen. I want them to learn and apply the corrections next season. And believe me, I'm definitely not a fan of Elfsborg, nooo way, but I wish the best for the team from Knalleland (and other Swedish teams now that we're mentioning it). :D

Yes, the Swedish league is very, very even. And I would like to see more teams from the rest of Sweden (winning the league and participating internationally) and not always the usual ones - teams from Stockholm, Gothenburg or Scania.

In a couple of years, the expansion of the league together with new stadiums will help the league be somewhat competitive in europe at least some years, and some clubs. We desperately need that.

:cheers: to that. I wish the same thing, may all of this become reality soon...really soon.

Svempa99

September 6th, 2007, 07:09 PM

I'm not a fan of a joint Scandinavian league. As Veermeer said, Sweden would likely become a loser in such league. Remember that we have had a fantastic growth in interest the last 10 years in Swedish football and the crowds at the big derbies are on pair with some of the big leagues. And this despite the poor quality of the games!

I also support the expansion of the league to 16 teams. Sure, there will probably be less percentage of high profile matches but Sweden is not only big cities. I think it's sound for the recruitment of top players that we have elite clubs all over the country, in regional capitals like Växjö, Norrköping, Borås, Sundsvall, Örebro.

I think it benefits the interest for football in Sweden that there is an every week rivalry between big cities and small cities. The small cities must prosper too in a geographically big country like Sweden. So having big city features like culture institutions, universities and elite sports is vital. You can in fact say that a visit by AIK in Kalmar is similar to a visit from Riksteatern. It helps the Kalmar region prosper and keep its inhabitants.

Alle

September 20th, 2007, 10:27 PM

Good points Svempa99. I too have grown increasingly sceptic to the idea of an scandinavian league, altough i have drawn up the details to make it technically possible (relegation/promotion wise). I have also come to understand some of the difficulties it involves. The conlusion is that it would probably be easier and better do what i happening now, expanding the league, expanding the number of substitutes to seven like in other leagues and encourage new facilities.

After all Sweden is about the size of Portugal, and i think we should take our inspiration for Allsvenskan from their topleague, not from say, Denmark (i think FCK has reached their peak).

CorliCorso

September 21st, 2007, 01:12 PM

And this despite the poor quality of the games!

This has always confused me about Swedish football. I think something like 3.2% of the adult population are licensed players (and about 15% of children), so there's strength in depth there, but it just doesn't seem to end up with great quality players in the Allsvenskan, despite some very good youth set-ups.

Alle

September 22nd, 2007, 09:38 AM

This has always confused me about Swedish football. I think something like 3.2% of the adult population are licensed players (and about 15% of children), so there's strength in depth there, but it just doesn't seem to end up with great quality players in the Allsvenskan, despite some very good youth set-ups.

The good players leave quite early, not least becouse of the extreme taxlaws.

Alle

November 23rd, 2007, 10:01 AM

UPDATE

Hammarby IF got their new stadium developement next to the Globe Arena approved by the city :cheers:. The stadium is preliminarily planned for a capacity of 30 000.

Djurgårdens IF got their developement dissapproved, it was planned for 25 000, also in Stockholm. They will try again though...

Webcam stream from the Göteborg project, progressing at a steady pace i guess

http://skapawebsql.tripnet.se/higab/getlatest.asp

The next season will be the first one with 16 clubs in the league.

anti87

November 23rd, 2007, 11:27 AM

Here's an webcam on Malmö FF new stadium

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/webcam.asp

Alle

November 27th, 2007, 12:27 AM

thanks

Alle

February 26th, 2008, 06:46 PM

Bump

Göteborg Update

http://skapawebsql.tripnet.se/higab/getlatest.asp

Malmö Update

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/webcam/SwedbankStadion_webcam.jpg?dummy=1204047965102

www.sercan.de

February 26th, 2008, 09:55 PM

What happened to the new national stadium?
At Worldstadiums they have new pics?
Project changed?

ØlandDK

February 26th, 2008, 10:30 PM

^^
As far as I know that's the final design for the project that is shown at worldstadiums.com

www.sercan.de

February 26th, 2008, 11:29 PM

Thanks. Do you have bigger pics?

Loranga

February 27th, 2008, 02:09 PM

I say it again - the new national stadium will be a new Globen - too big for domestic use, too small for international use - and unneccessary expensive.

Alle

February 29th, 2008, 01:30 AM

I say it again - the new national stadium will be a new Globen - too big for domestic use, too small for international use - and unneccessary expensive.

I agree that it is the case for the club league. Maybe the best solution would be to have one for international use somewhere, and just a rebuilt Råsunda for AIK. They could always move big games to the international stadium. But then again, how do you justify all that investment just for an (primarily) international games football stadium? Most people dont care about grown men playing with balls... even as a relaxation :P. I guess the argument that concerts and other events can be hosted is one way.

And by the way, there are plans for a Scandinavium expansion :banana:

Loranga

February 29th, 2008, 11:39 PM

Do you know how it is actually financed? Tax money?

Alle

March 3rd, 2008, 03:39 AM

Do you know how it is actually financed? Tax money?

I guess swedbank pays for part of it.

Another part, most likely by the municipality (local tax money).

And another part from the state probably (national tax money), and another part from SvFF (which i guess is partly financed by the state?).

Or maybe by loan (which again means the people pays, because loans create credit which the productive people have to pay for in the end on behalf of the fraudalent thefts called modern speculative banks).

Oh what do you know i find this on a blog:

Hela projektet kostar 16-17 MILJARDER och själva arenabygget nästan 2. Miljarder. Kronor. Nio nollor. Svindlande.

När jag först hörde talas om projektet snackades det inte ett ord om att Solna stad skulle vara med och finansiera. Tvärtom, det skulle inte kosta skattebetalarna en krona, sa det gamla kommunalrådet Gustâv. Det är förvisso sant, för det kommer inte att kosta skattebetalarna en krona, utan snarare sisådär 250-300 MILJONER kronor.

Furthermore

Om arenana kostar 2 miljarder att bygga och detta lånas upp till 5% ränta så kostar ...

So in other words, its financed by a loan by swedbank, meaning that they will create up to 90% worth of what they loan out in new credit. Who will pay for this? It will create inflation which the people pay for by their labour, whether they want to or not.

Say thanks to the speculative banks for making money of the productive people... (i.e. proceeding with their usual theft (http://landru.i-link-2.net/monques/mmm2.html#MODERN)) :ohno:

With that being said, the table is up on svenskfotboll.se, showing that it is two teams which will face degradation after the season, with a third one qualifying. So a maximum of 14 clubs staying in the league after a season, leaving room for better continuity.

Alle

April 8th, 2008, 11:34 PM

Bump

Göteborg Update

http://skapawebsql.tripnet.se/higab/getlatest.asp

Malmö Update

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/webcam/SwedbankStadion_webcam.jpg?dummy=1204047965102

Allsvenskan 2008 (im dissapointed they didnt change it to "New/Nya Allsvenskan" and tried to create some hype in doing so... but well well... 16 teams this season)

Hammarby 2 2 0 0 6-3 3 6
IFK Göteborg 2 1 1 0 5-2 3 4
Helsingborgs IF 2 1 1 0 4-1 3 4
IF Elfsborg 2 1 1 0 4-1 3 4
Kalmar FF 2 1 1 0 3-1 2 4
Djurgården 2 1 1 0 3-2 1 4
Halmstads BK 2 1 1 0 2-1 1 4
Trelleborgs FF 2 1 0 1 3-2 1 3
Gefle IF 2 1 0 1 2-1 1 3
Örebro 2 1 0 1 2-4 -2 3
Malmö FF 2 0 2 0 2-2 0 2
GAIS 2 0 1 1 2-4 -2 1
AIK 2 0 1 1 0-3 -3 1
IFK Norrköping FK 2 0 0 2 1-4 -3 0
Ljungskile SK 2 0 0 2 1-4 -3 0
GIF Sundsvall 2 0 0 2 3-8 -5 0

www.sercan.de

April 8th, 2008, 11:46 PM

whats up with the 50k national stadium?

Alle

April 8th, 2008, 11:55 PM

The financing seems to have been solved, and it will apparently be called swedbank arena/stadion.

Its planned for completion by 2011.

Vermeer

April 9th, 2008, 02:16 PM

Alle

April 9th, 2008, 03:12 PM

This tread was opened in September 2006 and the reason was the Swedish football stadium boom. Has the construction of any other stadiums than the ones in Gothenburg and Malmo started during these 1, 5 years? Will the planned stadiums being built or will it continue to be exciting plans and nothing more?

Many of them will. First of a lot has happened. Most notably the league has been expanded to 16 clubs. So hopefully that will encourage the development. Furthermore, many planning and financing issues have been resolved, not least for the new national stadium.

Most of the stadiums will probably be built, especially in Halmstad and Kalmar (http://www.kalmarff.se/bilder/arenan070927/01.jpg).

It depends a lot on how the clubs do though, the Öster proposal for example, probably wont happen unless they do really good since they do no longer play in Allsvenskan. But on the other hand IFK Norrköpings chances are considerably higher now that they play in the highest division and have one of the highest attendances.

There are several Swedish cities of considerable size who dont have very good clubs though; Linköping, Jönköping, Umeå...

However this is a moderately sized nation population wise, even four-five allsvenskan stadiums would be considered a boom. The league I could see Sweden being able to compete with is Portugal, however the climate here is not that advantegous for football, nor are the tax levels. I think thats the two largest obstacles. And maybe the interest, grown men playing with balls isnt that prioritized, but i think thats the most minor issue actually.

Alle

April 14th, 2008, 02:07 PM

Its picking up pace here in Sweden...

Hammarby's new stadium has just been confirmed to stand ready by 2012. It will have a capacity of 30 000 spectators.

http://stockholm.city.se/article_images/40/62/4062_565.jpg

What do you think about it? Its probably a very preliminary design.

SOURCE | http://stockholm.city.se/sport/2008/04/14/Har_ar_Bajens_nya_arena/

Carrerra

April 14th, 2008, 02:58 PM

Quintana

April 14th, 2008, 06:44 PM

I like it.

veronika

April 14th, 2008, 07:58 PM

Great little stadium but whats with the location? Seems quite tight for such a good facility.

ØlandDK

April 14th, 2008, 09:19 PM

Two interieur renderings can be seen in this thread:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=267028

...it's really good looking!

BTW the capacity will be 30001 not 30000;)

ØlandDK

April 14th, 2008, 10:26 PM

http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/76/07/60/arenainne448.jpg

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00306/arenanB_306225e.jpg

Morsue

April 15th, 2008, 09:23 PM

Great little stadium but whats with the location? Seems quite tight for such a good facility.

I'm not sure if the rendering is scale accurate, but anyway finding space to build a stadium is quite hard in Stockholm. The green areas are heavily protected by law so the parking space and stores that are on that area today will be demolished. The location is also just south of the Stockholm Globe Arena so the intention from the city council is to keep that event area intact. The road that passes to the left of the stadium in the picture is even called Arenavägen (Arena road).

Carrerra

April 15th, 2008, 10:27 PM

I don't see any parking lot in the rendering. How about the public transportations around the stadium? Is there any metroline stopping near the stadium?

http://stockholm.city.se/article_images/40/62/4062_565.jpg

Köbtke

April 15th, 2008, 10:37 PM

I don't see any parking lot in the rendering. How about the public transportations around the stadium? Is there any metroline stopping near the stadium?

There's a metrostop called Globen right next to well... Globen (the big sphere shape you see in the picture, which is,if you don't know an icehockey and multipurpose arena). So it's quite well served with public transportation I guess.

As for parking, I don't know exactly, but I suppose whatever facilities Globen uses will also be availible to the new stadium, and maybe we'll see an underground parking facility?

Anyway, by the looks of it, the new stadium look SUPREME. I'm so jealous at the developments in Sweden at the moment :) Not only are you getting a lot of new stadia, but they're something more than your averege bland square.

Carrerra

April 15th, 2008, 11:14 PM

There's a metrostop called Globen right next to well... Globen (the big sphere shape you see in the picture, which is,if you don't know an icehockey and multipurpose arena). So it's quite well served with public transportation I guess.

As for parking, I don't know exactly, but I suppose whatever facilities Globen uses will also be availible to the new stadium, and maybe we'll see an underground parking facility?

Anyway, by the looks of it, the new stadium look SUPREME. I'm so jealous at the developments in Sweden at the moment :) Not only are you getting a lot of new stadia, but they're something more than your averege bland square.

That's great! Little parking lot will not be a big problem as long as metrostation is right next to the stadium. That alone would make fantastic the transportation for the stadium ^^

Anyway the stadium has a fantastic design and a more fantastic transportation! I wish it can be built right on schedule.

PS) Are there any complaints or law suits from the residents which happen quite often in association with construction of new stadium?

Köbtke

April 15th, 2008, 11:26 PM

I thing I'm wondering though, is whether Globen will see a sharp decline since I figure a lot of the events being held at Globen at the moment will be moved to the new arena. The article posted talks about it being used for concerts etc., and with a retractable roof that'll certainly be no problem. With a capacity about twice the capacity of Globen, I guess the new arena will get a good share of the bigger events at least.

Any word on Globen after/if this stadium is built?

Carrerra

April 15th, 2008, 11:38 PM

Köbtke

April 15th, 2008, 11:46 PM

Anyway who pays for the construction? Hammarby? The city? or Both share the cost?

Well, the article doesn't state exactly how it'll be funded, but it does state that the city will be the owner. And Hammarby - the football team who'll most likely play their home matches there - will be there on a lease.

So I guess the Stockholpm taxpayers are to thank of this scheme comes into fruition :)

Morsue

April 16th, 2008, 11:05 AM

tooni

April 16th, 2008, 11:53 AM

Hi

I found (http://www.white.se) some more renderings:

http://white.se/repository/typify/files/imageset/image34/image57.jpg

http://white.se/repository/typify/files/arenan1.jpg

http://white.se/repository/typify/files/arenan4.jpg

From pressrelease (http://www.stockholm.se/Extern/Templates/NewsPage.aspx?id=193129) (in swedish):

http://www.stockholm.se/pages/431228/stockholmsarenan_01.jpg

and higher resolution:

http://www.stockholm.se/pages/431228/stockholmsarenan_02.jpg

Carrerra

April 16th, 2008, 12:03 PM

Hammarby plays its matches at Söderstadion which in the photo is replaced by office or residential housing. That will be part of the funding.

That means the new stadium will be built near the spot of the old one(Söderstadion) and it will be demolished for redevelopments, right?

If so, much of funding for New Söderstadion will be solved through selling out the spot of the current stadium and we will not worry much about the noise problem because it had already been there for decades of years.

Alle

April 16th, 2008, 04:18 PM

There is a really large parking garage under both Globen and the two adjacent stadiums to the north of it (the photo is taken from a southeasterly point of view). Hammarby plays its matches at Söderstadion which in the photo is replaced by office or residential housing. That will be part of the funding.

I don't know how many residents will really be affected by the construction or the noise when it's completed. You already have the road so most windows on the other side are already reinforced. To the south it's about 400 m to the closest residential housing. Actually I live 500 m to the west behind that industrial zone and I don't think there'll be that much disturbance.

Talking about concert competition, you not only have the Globe but also the new stadium in Solna which is counting on some major acts. If you ask me, the budgets for both these projects are too big and not thought through.

They both have a very large budget without doubt. Hammarby would not be able to afford this if they built it on their own with sponsors.

I dont know about the residential situation in Stockholm, but if it is in need of new housing some new residential buildings might balance the project financially.

I generally dont like municipal or state developments, but prefer private ones. If done properly though the people there should have the last word.

Vermeer

April 16th, 2008, 05:26 PM

They both have a very large budget without doubt. Hammarby would not be able to afford this if they built it on their own with sponsors.

I dont know about the residential situation in Stockholm, but if it is in need of new housing some new residential buildings might balance the project financially.

I generally dont like municipal or state developments, but prefer private ones. If done properly though the people there should have the last word.

Stockholm will during the next few years build two football stadiums costing approximately 2 billion SEK each. How can anybody think that two teams, AIK and Hammarby, together with 5 – 10 rock concerts can pay the bill. Hammarby and AIK can maybe pay 10 -20 million each every year, but that’s only peanuts compared with what is needed. None of the clubs needs the stadiums that are planned. The Swedish National Team need a 50k stadium, but they will only need it 4 – 7 times every year.
How can other sports in Stockholm accept that the municipality build a stadium worth 1,9 billion SEK to a professional football team?

Neda Say

April 16th, 2008, 08:11 PM

This really looks like a brilliant sports and entertainment cluster!

ØlandDK

April 16th, 2008, 08:28 PM

This doesn't look like the same stadium as the other renderings?
http://www.stockholm.se/pages/431228/stockholmsarenan_01.jpg

Carrerra

April 16th, 2008, 08:38 PM

Stockholm will during the next few years build two football stadiums costing approximately 2 billion SEK each. How can anybody think that two teams, AIK and Hammarby, together with 5 – 10 rock concerts can pay the bill. Hammarby and AIK can maybe pay 10 -20 million each every year, but that’s only peanuts compared with what is needed. None of the clubs needs the stadiums that are planned. The Swedish National Team need a 50k stadium, but they will only need it 4 – 7 times every year.
How can other sports in Stockholm accept that the municipality build a stadium worth 1,9 billion SEK to a professional football team?

What do other sports have anything to do with municipality's building new stadiums? Who robbed them of the budget and spent it in building the stadiums? Football and other sports are not zero sum to each other. If other sports want something from the government, just ask for it without caring about football. That's all.

Alle

April 16th, 2008, 09:00 PM

Stockholm will during the next few years build two football stadiums costing approximately 2 billion SEK each. How can anybody think that two teams, AIK and Hammarby, together with 5 – 10 rock concerts can pay the bill. Hammarby and AIK can maybe pay 10 -20 million each every year, but that’s only peanuts compared with what is needed. None of the clubs needs the stadiums that are planned. The Swedish National Team need a 50k stadium, but they will only need it 4 – 7 times every year.
How can other sports in Stockholm accept that the municipality build a stadium worth 1,9 billion SEK to a professional football team?

I guess the use the arguments of improved public health, and social wealth. Plus its a multi purpose project including apartments. There are probably other such positive effects they brought up.

But I agree with you, a tricky thing to justify really. Even a track and field stadium would be more logical as a municipally driven project.

Btw Djurgårdens so called "arena group" also released some renderings some time ago, il see if i can find them.

vardar

April 17th, 2008, 07:19 AM

Hammarby's new stadium is really nice, is that a retractable roof cos it sort of looks like it??? BTW that globen arena is out of this world :cheers:

Vermeer

April 22nd, 2008, 09:52 AM

During the European Championship in Sweden in 1992, four stadiums were used: Rasunda, Nya Ullevi, Malmo and Norrkoping. Rasunda will now be replaced by a new national stadium. In Malmo and Gothenburg new football stadiums are being built. Does that mean that Norrkoping Stadium will be the only of the European Championsship stadiums still being used for football, or are they also building new stadium in Norrkoping.

Morsue

April 22nd, 2008, 12:33 PM

Well, Nya Ullevi is still being used for football during the construction of the new Gothenburg stadium. And when it's completed they'll probably still play the local derbies at Ullevi.

As for Idrottsparken it will remain standing and is currently being upgraded thus limiting the capacity to about 16000 spectators at the moment. I'm not sure what this refurbishment will result in.

Vermeer

May 30th, 2008, 09:16 AM

These two arenas/stadiums in Malmo look really great. Is the capacity in Malmo Arena 15.000 during sport events or will that be the capacity during concerts? Is Swedbank Stadium an all-seater? If yes, what is the capacity during UEFA matches?

staff

May 31st, 2008, 01:41 PM

Some construction photos of the recently started north stand, which has been designed by the architects and the leading supporters groups in cooperation:

To the right;
http://195.198.143.186:82/nyastadion/080529/1.jpg

http://195.198.143.186:82/nyastadion/080529/3.jpg

To the right, again.
http://195.198.143.186:82/nyastadion/080529/5.jpg

staff

June 10th, 2008, 12:24 AM

New Malmö Stadion, June 3;

http://www.malmo.se/images/18.2ec2683b119e185b0f0800036317/vy_080603_1000.jpg

Webcam,

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/webcam/SwedbankStadion_webcam.jpg

bing222

June 10th, 2008, 08:48 AM

great pictures

Carrerra

June 10th, 2008, 09:48 AM

Thanks for the photos, staff

GNU

June 10th, 2008, 11:09 AM

Thanks there. The Malmö arena looks great btw. Keep us updated.

Carrerra

June 10th, 2008, 11:32 AM

Is the one in the right Malmo FF's present homeground?

http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_k&no=29bcc427b48677a16fb3dab004c86b6f9a697bf10be2d1d76276470d345178ad10ff02ac980b916a9e9e35afa34119265b4f903e9e4670d0133fbbf4a816f1eaf33678d0339f699073fd22777c40&f_no=23a4d135f1d33caf61b186e42d801973a30d76

staff

June 10th, 2008, 01:22 PM

^^
Yes, that concrete piece of crap was built for the 1958 World Cup and seats 26.500. :)

http://www.mff.se/Bilder/Stadion%2050%20%E5r.jpg

www.sercan.de

June 10th, 2008, 01:33 PM

what will happen to it?

staff

June 10th, 2008, 06:06 PM

^^
It will be refurbished and used as an athletic venue (by the local track and field club), also hosting some concerts. It (the south tribune) is listed as 'cultural heritage' and cannot be demolished.

staff

June 12th, 2008, 05:02 PM

Update from today, 080612 from the website of Malmö City;

Click the image for huge size
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/2573274570_116b8d260d_b.jpg (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/2573274570_df5d5343f5_o.jpg)

It's certainly not the largest or most advanced stadium out there, but it is going to be amazingly tight with great atmosphere.

GNU

June 13th, 2008, 04:44 PM

Why are they behind with one tier?

staff

June 13th, 2008, 06:54 PM

^^
They have been building one tribune at a time (see below). Don't ask me why though.

Dec 17, 2007
http://www.malmo.se/images/18.365accf7116191cc840800044728/vy_071214_1000.jpg

Feb 22, 2008
http://www.malmo.se/images/18.6c29b6251179cd8ef6c800029718/vy_20080222_1000.jpg

Apr 18, 2008
http://www.malmo.se/images/18.1cf87b801195c36a16280001622/vy_080418_1000.jpg

Current (webcam)
http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/webcam/SwedbankStadion_webcam.jpg

www.sercan.de

June 14th, 2008, 08:04 AM

maybe it was cheaper?

rover3

June 14th, 2008, 04:23 PM

maybe it was cheaper?

Obviously. It looks like they limited themselves to only 2 cranes. So, they were on a very tight and restrained construction schedule and budget.

staff

June 24th, 2008, 02:00 PM

The standing tier of the supporter stand is almost done at Malmö Stadion.

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/webcam/SwedbankStadion_webcam.jpg

dande

September 18th, 2008, 02:13 AM

http://www.cykelklubben.se/pdf/Multisporthall.pdf

bing222

September 18th, 2008, 08:23 AM

That is amazing where is it?

hngcm

September 18th, 2008, 10:40 AM

would be cheaper and more feasible to build two seperate arenas...

likasz

September 18th, 2008, 10:46 AM

That is amazing where is it?

Look at the domain it's ".se".It's a Swedish website.

PS.What about capacity?

dande

September 18th, 2008, 10:57 AM

It´s basically a brain child of few people within Swedish cycling assosiation. They want indoor velodrom to be built somewhere in Sweden. My guess the somewhere near the capital.

Btw, hngcm, I agree.

likasz

September 18th, 2008, 11:08 AM

Velodrom in Sweden is needed like baseball stadium in Poland or motorcycle speedway track in Spain.I means it's total unneeded:D

dande

September 18th, 2008, 12:09 PM

Velodrom in Sweden is needed like baseball stadium in Poland or motorcycle speedway track in Spain.I means it's total unneeded:D

That could not be farther from the truth. Cycling is popular in Sweden, either day to day commute or excersize. They feel that in order to improve status or the sport you need a velodrome. I agree, I think there is a big potential for velodrome cycling in Sweden. Maybe even more that road cycling.

Siegfried

September 18th, 2008, 12:10 PM

Don't you think it's better to build the velodrome UNDER the football field, because in football you need to rise the ball over the field and probably the ball can crash with the roof and that could make the game more difficult. But the bicycle won't rise up to the roof!!! :lol:

dande

September 18th, 2008, 12:41 PM

Vermeer

September 19th, 2008, 12:53 PM

That could not be farther from the truth. Cycling is popular in Sweden, either day to day commute or excersize. They feel that in order to improve status or the sport you need a velodrome. I agree, I think there is a big potential for velodrome cycling in Sweden. Maybe even more that road cycling.

Nowhere in the world there is a big potential for velodrome cycling today. Using 40 million euro or whatever it will cost for the 50 or less velodrome cyclists in Sweden will be madness, if you are not going for the Olympics. Even a bobsleigh track should be better economy.

Petey21

October 4th, 2008, 01:56 AM

About the new national stadium, isn't it a bit weird that they picked a name that is already in use? There's already a Swedbank Arena in Sweden, it's an indoor ice hockey arena that opened in Örnsköldsvik in 2006, so why couldn't they get a different name for the national stadium? Swedbank Stadium or Swedbank Park or anything that isn't already in use?

And personally I think a football stadium should never be called "arena", it just doesn't sound right. To me an arena is an indoors venue and a stadium is an outdoors venue, but maybe that's just me? :)

CorliCorso

October 4th, 2008, 05:11 PM

so why couldn't they get a different name for the national stadium? Swedbank Stadium or Swedbank Park or anything that isn't already in use?
Swedbank Stadion is being built in Malmo

Loranga

October 5th, 2008, 01:52 PM

Wonder if there actually will be any more "Swedbank" stadiums and arenas in the near and distant future.....

Petey21

October 5th, 2008, 04:41 PM

Swedbank Stadion is being built in Malmo

True, but I said Swedbank Stadium, it's similar but not the exact same name.

But yes, Swedbank seem to be having some financial problems like many other banks these days, so maybe there won't be neither any arenas nor stadiums with this name in the future.

Loranga

October 6th, 2008, 03:44 PM

My bet is "Bengt Dennis Memorial Stadium"....

cornelinho

October 8th, 2008, 04:49 PM

My bet is "Bengt Dennis Memorial Stadium"....

nice stadium :) but for the proposed bid for euro2016 is it the final venue? or is noeway bilding someting bigger?

Loranga

October 11th, 2008, 01:25 PM

nice stadium :) but for the proposed bid for euro2016 is it the final venue? or is noeway bilding someting bigger?

It is likely to host the final in the EURO2016 bid. But as I probably wrote in another thread - this stadium is a catastroph - too large for domestic use, too small for hosting international events.

Vermeer

October 13th, 2008, 09:04 AM

It is likely to host the final in the EURO2016 bid. But as I probably wrote in another thread - this stadium is a catastroph - too large for domestic use, too small for hosting international events.

I think it’s most likely that Gothenburg will host the final. The Municipality of Gothenburg had the initial idea about applying for the Euro 2016 and the city is close to the co-host Norway. Norway is also planning to build a new 50+ national stadium and Stockholm can’t argue with the best stadium to get the final. I suppose the capacity of Nya Ullevi in Gothenburg will be increased from 43k to 60+

brasil2014

October 14th, 2008, 04:19 AM

Sorry if was posted and I don´t know but, can you tell me where I can found an image of the Bengt Dennis Memorial Stadium? Because I can´t found it.

|R|@|D|U

October 26th, 2008, 02:30 PM

The new sweden national stadium (if this is the final project) reminds me of Veltins Arena. It's an improved model and it's very nice. Romania's new national stadium is an improved model of Commerzbank arena:lol:.

http://www.solna.se/upload/1_Anders/Bilder%202007/Swedbankarena-15okt-107.jpg

http://www.solna.se/upload/1_Anders/Bilder%202007/Swedbankarena-15okt-207.jpg

http://arenastaden.se.loopiadns.com/files/images/swedbankarena02.jpg

Romania & Sweden Euro 2016:lol:

masterpaul

October 26th, 2008, 03:45 PM

its way moreimproved.. because its more smooth. :-) and more pleasing because of this to the eye

plasticterminator

October 27th, 2008, 06:02 PM

Nice to see the architect considered the playing surface in his design:bash::ohno:

cornelinho

October 27th, 2008, 09:44 PM

The new sweden national stadium (if this is the final project) reminds me of Veltins Arena. It's an improved model and it's very nice. Romania's new national stadium is an improved model of Commerzbank arena:lol:.

Romania & Sweden Euro 2016:lol:

if only... this stadium is much much better then what we will have in bucharest... and just it has the same roof dosent mean it a copy... unlike Lia Manoliu Arena ...:ohno:

Marcelo Victor

October 28th, 2008, 12:41 AM

JYDA

October 28th, 2008, 01:10 AM

Any updates on the Malmo stadium?

|R|@|D|U

October 28th, 2008, 10:12 AM

SwedbankArena 50000 according to www.worldstadiums.com

Alle

October 29th, 2008, 06:36 PM

Bump

Göteborg Update [The arena has gotten the name "Gamla Ullevi", that is the same as the demolished one had, meaning, "Old Ullevi" (ullevi is a location though, i believe, so...)]

http://skapawebsql.tripnet.se/higab/getlatest.asp

Malmö Update

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/webcam/SwedbankStadion_webcam.jpg?dummy=1204047965102

Some photos of Gamla Ullevi, by the constructor, Higab:

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Fotbollsarena_081017-009.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Fotbollsarena_081017-006.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Fotbollsarenan_081013--018.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Fotbollsarenan_081013--019.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Fotbollsarenan_081006-009.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Fotbollsarenan_081013--002.jpg

Sideshow_Bob

October 30th, 2008, 04:38 PM

/\ Hey, you could also do the same updates over in the N&B aswell?? In this thread perhaps? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=267028

soccerzlatan

November 6th, 2008, 12:12 PM

Checkout the new webpage for the entire new city region, including the new arena in Solna, Sweden...

http://www.arenastaden.se/

arenastaden.se

staff

November 12th, 2008, 12:10 AM

New Malmö Stadion not too far from completion now;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/3022066598_d9c898fc08_o.jpg

Latest rendering;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/3020134510_ec9970a8ea_o.jpg

The supporters celebrated the very last game at the old Malmö Stadion, home to Malmö FF between 1958 and 2008;

http://www.mt96.se/galleri/2008/gif_h/4s.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/3020055672_ce537740ce_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/3020058332_3c0a113023_o.jpg

http://www.mt96.se/galleri/2008/gif_h/10s.jpg

http://www.mt96.se/galleri/2008/gif_h/11s.jpg

Malmö FF won the game 6-0 against Sundsvall. :lol:

Alle

November 12th, 2008, 11:24 PM

Id rather have seen that Sundsvall had won it and stayed in Allsvenskan instead of Ljungskile...

staff

November 13th, 2008, 12:24 AM

Stäng Norrlandsfönstret... ;)

cphdude

November 14th, 2008, 10:52 PM

Did they burn down the stadium as part of the deal...?

staff

November 18th, 2008, 08:27 PM

Malmö Stadion, November 17;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/3040919967_b630448592_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3041761768_271dfc7349_o.jpg

Bonus (restroom view);
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3230/3040920169_11d9875f50_o.jpg

canarywondergod

November 18th, 2008, 09:44 PM

thats quite possibly one of the best ideas possible! if you need the toilet you can still watch the action! amazing

ØlandDK

November 18th, 2008, 11:48 PM

Also love that idea. I might buy a season ticket for a toiletseat! :lol:

staff

November 19th, 2008, 12:52 PM

A scale model in a MFF merchandise store;

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/downloads/images/modell1_1024.jpg

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/downloads/images/modell2_1024.jpg

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/downloads/images/modell4_1024.jpg

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/downloads/images/modell5_1024.jpg

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/downloads/images/modell6_1024.jpg

Carrerra

November 19th, 2008, 04:38 PM

Wow how much is it? I'd like to buy it if I can afford it.

JYDA

November 19th, 2008, 11:10 PM

This is the essence of what a small stadium should be. Love it!

staff

November 19th, 2008, 11:16 PM

^^
Yeah, I don't think there are any less-than-25.000 capacity stadiums in Europe that are better than this one. Pretty much perfect for a club that averages 15-20.000 in attendance.

staff

November 20th, 2008, 01:40 PM

The standard seats at the new Malmö Stadion will be the same as on New Wembley and Soccer City in Joburg (WC 2010 venue).

http://www.mff.se/nyheter/nyhet.asp?Id=3279&KomFran=FS
2008-11-20 - 09:00

Provsitt "din" stol på Swedbank Stadion

Välkomna till MFF Shopen som numera dessutom är ett litet "showroom" för Swedbank Stadion. Här finns sedan tidigare fakta, bildspel och den fantastiska modellen. Nu finns här även en stol monterad lika de 18 000 som kommer att monteras på den nya stadion.

Från och med idag finns det möjlighet att provsitta stolen.

http://www.mff.se/Bilder/MFF_StolWebbBild.jpg

Innovativa Integra - den nya stolen på Swedbank Stadion finns även på en hel del andra fotbollsarenor i världen exempelvis Soccer City i Johannesburg (97 000 stolar inför fotbolls-VM) och Wembley Stadium i London.

Vermeer

November 20th, 2008, 02:32 PM

^^
Yeah, I don't think there are any less-than-25.000 capacity stadiums in Europe that are better than this one. Pretty much perfect for a club that averages 15-20.000 in attendance.

Very nice stadium, but why don’t you think there are better smaller stadiums than this in Europe? From the top of my head I can think of the following smaller European stadiums that have the same standard or better than the Swedbank Stadion:

United Kingdom:
Madejski Stadium, The Den, Deepdale, The Galpharm Stadium, Keepmoat Stadium, MK Dons Stadium, Liberty Stadium,

The Netherlands:
Nieuw Galgenwaard Stadion, Grolsch Veste (Arke Stadion), Euroborg, Parkstad Limburg Stadion, Rat Verlegh Stadion, DSB Stadion, ADO Stadion, Stadion De Goffert,

Belgium:
Cristal Arena

Norway:
Viking Stadion, Soer Arena, Aker Stadion, Telenor Arena

France
Stade Louis Duguaguez, Stade Auguste Bonal, Stade Marcel Picot, Stade des Alpes

Spain:
Estadio Antonio Amilivia, Nuevo Estadio Las Gaunas

Portugal:
Estádio Municipal Dr. Magalhães Pessoa, BayArena

Denmark:
SAS Arena, Vejle Stadion

Austria:
UPC-Arena

Switzerland:
AFG Arena Stade La Maladière

Sweden:
Borås Arena

staff

November 20th, 2008, 02:55 PM

Vermeer

November 20th, 2008, 03:14 PM

^^
Most of those aren't as "good" as the new Malmö Stadion. Some of them are on par with it, Madejski comes to mind, but most of them are not not even comparable to it I'd say.
In any case, what makes a good stadium is highly subjective. What's measurable I guess is "tightness", distance from the lines to the tribunes, amount of VIP boxes, restaurant seats and so on.

Borås Arena, seriously? It's a joke in comparison. ;)

Maybe you are right. I am just judging from what I could read about Swedbank Stadion, and the facilities described does not bring it to top Europe. The cost of the stadium does not indicate that it will be comparable with Dutch stadiums at the same size.

staff

November 20th, 2008, 03:19 PM

I know it's off topic in a thread about Swedish stadiums, but could you post some basic info regarding the Dutch stadiums that you mentioned in your previous post?
Number of VIP boxes, total number of restaurant seats, conference/expo capacities and so on. Would be interesting to see. Dutch stadiums in general are just extremely impressive.

Dzwonsson

November 20th, 2008, 06:04 PM

^^ I have to agree with you, guys, concerning idea of placing toilet... "Situation on the field still under control, even if you gotta get to toilet". :D

JYDA

November 20th, 2008, 06:59 PM

I think what makes this stadium great is that it's built to be complete rather than making compromises for potential future expansion like so many other small stadiums do. The 2-tiers and the single-tiered terrace are gold!

staff

November 20th, 2008, 09:45 PM

Two more pics of that scale model.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/3045888181_e919858b44_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3001/3046722102_8685604aaa_o.jpg

Alle

November 21st, 2008, 06:11 PM

thats quite possibly one of the best ideas possible! if you need the toilet you can still watch the action! amazing

Its like asking for accidents to happen :lol: *joke*.

Well done Malmö. I like the standin terraces part, well done for the supporters, altough it could rather have been at the long side, but its good anyhow.

... "Test sitting your chair" , haha

Göteborg update, from higab.se

'Gamla Ullevi'

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Gamla-UlleviV47-009.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Gamla-UlleviV47-015.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Gamla-UlleviV47-016.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Gamla-UlleviV47-020.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Fotbollsarenan_081117_DSC02.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Gamla-UlleviV47-017.jpg

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Gamla-UlleviV47-007.jpg

staff

November 21st, 2008, 08:25 PM

... "Test sitting your chair" , haha

Haha, I know. The sad thing is, that when I went there to take photos of the model, there were several people "test sitting" the new chairs.

ØlandDK

November 22nd, 2008, 04:30 AM

Well done Malmö. I like the standin terraces part, well done for the supporters, altough it could rather have been at the long side, but its good anyhow.

Why would you rather see the standing terraces at the long side? That's rarely seen.

Carrerra

November 22nd, 2008, 04:41 AM

Standing places at the touchlines? That's really fresh idea! I wish someone would try it some day

staff

November 22nd, 2008, 12:52 PM

The standing terraces were actually on along the long-sides on the current Malmö Stadion, but I guess on the new one, the space on the long-sides is far to "valuable" to be given to the "hardcore" supporters. The seats along the long sides will cost from 29€ wherever you sit, iirc.

staff

December 4th, 2008, 01:55 PM

New pano taken from the north east corner of the new Malmö Stadium;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/3081575389_cae52a3043_o.jpg

Vermeer

December 4th, 2008, 03:47 PM

New pano taken from the north east corner of the new Malmö Stadium;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/3081575389_cae52a3043_o.jpg

Getting more and more impressive. I am not convinced that this is the best of all mid-size stadiums in Europe, but I think it will be the most beautiful. Unfortunately it’s the end where the photo is taken from, that makes this stadium special and supporter friendly. When is the first match supposed to be played?

ØlandDK

December 5th, 2008, 06:33 PM

^^
Probably when the swedish league starts again next march (I think).

staff

December 5th, 2008, 06:37 PM

^^
Yup, end of March or beginning of April...

staff

December 5th, 2008, 06:44 PM

Overview pic from the north;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3189/3085257608_38fe990350_o.jpg

And a similar pic of the old stadium taken from the new one, from the south;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/3084419605_e6feaf326b_o.jpg

Can you spot the Turning Torso? ;)

Carrerra

December 6th, 2008, 04:20 AM

Thanks for the pics, staff. The stadium is cool indeed!

staff

December 12th, 2008, 04:51 PM

New Malmö Stadion pano from the south-east corner.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3210/3102869984_c160f1eb53_o.jpg
Bengt Håkansson

www.sercan.de

December 12th, 2008, 04:57 PM

Do you know the colour of the seats?

staff

December 12th, 2008, 05:06 PM

^^
Sky blue, the colour of Malmö FF. :)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/212/500985715_12f3c2bc87_o.jpg

www.sercan.de

December 12th, 2008, 05:10 PM

Do you know the style of the seats?

staff

December 12th, 2008, 05:52 PM

^^

http://www.mff.se/Bilder/MFF_StolWebbBild.jpg

Same as in Soccer City, New Wembley etc..

Carrerra

December 14th, 2008, 08:05 AM

wow it can be folded. Good

www.sercan.de

December 14th, 2008, 01:01 PM

Folded seats are the best ones :)

staff

December 19th, 2008, 12:22 PM

^^
They're being rigged now. :)

http://www.mff.se/Bilder/DSC_8993.jpg

staff

December 22nd, 2008, 12:15 AM

More seats are in place now. The whole fitting will probably be done some time next week.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3002/3126610646_2bb954e626_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3238/3125781337_b4d063c565_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/3125781223_152590f0b1_o.jpg

Mo Rush

December 22nd, 2008, 04:23 PM

Is there an awesome stadium completed in 2008 in your country?

Nominate it for SSC Stadium of the year 2008 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=771596)

staff

December 22nd, 2008, 05:35 PM

^^
No. :)

staff

December 24th, 2008, 02:23 PM

Happy Yule from Malmö Stadion!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/3132499105_5e96a6dd7d_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3259/3133323214_3f9ee073ce_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3028/3133323284_ee28083b2c_o.jpg

www.sercan.de

December 24th, 2008, 02:29 PM

Looks good. Any pics of the Business- and suitseats?

staff

December 24th, 2008, 02:40 PM

^^
They are yet to be installed. Not sure if it will happen before the new year though...

Mo Rush

December 24th, 2008, 04:18 PM

cool. nice and intimate

Zeno2

December 25th, 2008, 03:28 PM

Indeed, a nice compact stadium, but like I said before, there is something wrong with the roof. It is too short and therefore not impressive.

soccerzlatan

December 25th, 2008, 04:16 PM

Hi, anyone got info about which stadiums are to be used during next years U21? Its in Sweden.

IcyUrmel

December 26th, 2008, 03:42 AM

Hi, anyone got info about which stadiums are to be used during next years U21? Its in Sweden.

One will be the new "Gamle Ullevi", annother might be Malmö, at least this would fit perfectly to the expected requirements.

Is there an awesome stadium completed in 2008 in your country?

Nominate it for SSC Stadium of the year 2008 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=771596)

^^
No. :)

Wikipedia (engl.) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamla_Ullevi_(2008)) and Stadionwelt agree that works on new "Old" Ullevi (Gamla Ullevi) already are finished, the stadium officially has been handed to the owner by the constructor, and it has been presented to public on a kind of "open gate day"; although it will only host its first match in Spring '09.

^^
Yeah, I don't think there are any less-than-25.000 capacity stadiums in Europe that are better than this one. Pretty much perfect for a club that averages 15-20.000 in attendance.

Like some others, I disagree, mainly for this reason:Indeed, a nice compact stadium, but like I said before, there is something wrong with the roof. It is too short and therefore not impressive.It does not only lack impressiveness, but also weather protection, as you can see on many pictures in this thread, e.g. like this one (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3210/3102869984_c160f1eb53_o.jpg).

Half of the lower tier is wet, on all sides.

dande

December 30th, 2008, 10:52 PM

Completed in 2004. Main purpose ice hockey, home of Linköping Hockey Club. Capacity 8500.

View from up high, typical steep stands.
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399000.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399000)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399001.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399001)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399002.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399002)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399003.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399003)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399004.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399004)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399005.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399005)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399053.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399053)
Choosen as venue for 2011 world handball championships.
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399054.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399054)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399055.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399055)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399056.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399056)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399057.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399057)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399058.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399058)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399079.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399079)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399080.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399080)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399081.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399081)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399082.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399082)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399083.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399083)
http://archive.pixbox.se/arkivet/synligt_29/25390000-25399999/640x480/25399084.jpg (http://www.pixbox.se/pic25399084)

staff

January 5th, 2009, 11:20 PM

There haven't been many updates lately, which is understandable considering how cold it has been.

Anyway, this is from Jan 4 (Bengt Håkansson);
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1172/3172087794_6f4891ace3_o.jpg

staff

January 8th, 2009, 12:53 AM

Update from New Malmö Stadium, Jan 7th:

North stand:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/3177582323_8423854e15_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3333/3178418264_3bd05ede53_o.jpg

Towards the south west corner:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3475/3178418414_a557349be8_o.jpg

Towards the south tribune:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3126/3178418510_5f80ce1a48_o.jpg

All photos by Bengt Håkansson

soccerzlatan

January 10th, 2009, 07:07 PM

http://mfproject.com/norrkopingsidrottspark/gallery/081201ostralaktaren/Webpages/detail.np/detail-03.html

http://mfproject.com/norrkopingsidrottspark/gallery/081201ostralaktaren/Webpages/detail.np/detail-03.html

soccerzlatan

January 10th, 2009, 07:16 PM

Ullevi, in gothenburg, home of IFK Gothenburg and GAIS and Örgryte.
app: 18 000 seats, all seated.
Completed in 2009

http://www.higab.se/upload/images/Fotbollsarenan_0128.jpg

http://www.stadiumguide.com/nyagamla7.jpg

staff

January 10th, 2009, 07:31 PM

Can you please resize that Swedbank Arena rendering? It's way too big...

Loranga

January 10th, 2009, 09:00 PM

And please stop the plans for Swedbank Arena NOW!

soccerzlatan

January 11th, 2009, 01:50 PM

And please stop the plans for Swedbank Arena NOW!

Why? nice looking arena as well as a major opportunity for sweden leauge to grow,

staff

January 13th, 2009, 01:25 AM

Malmö Stadium update from January 12th;

Northern end;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3457/3192093849_5368f569b6_o.jpg

Some gate on the northern stand is being fitted;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3406/3192941478_e7735da4bf_o.jpg

Pano of the eastern and southern tribunes;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3123/3192094047_454b810659_o.jpg

Photos by Bengt Håkansson as usual.

www.sercan.de

January 13th, 2009, 03:36 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3406/3192941478_e7735da4bf_o.jpg
how high will be the wall?

staff

January 13th, 2009, 08:58 PM

^^
I suppose that's the final height, perhaps with some kind of railing on top of the concrete. Not sure though.. we aren't exactly spoiled with interior renders!

Carrerra

January 14th, 2009, 01:06 AM

Staff, thanks for the pics! They are bery good!

staff

January 14th, 2009, 02:26 PM

Since only 30.000+ stadiums are allowed to have separate threads, I thought we'd do like the Swiss and make a compilation of all the stadiums/clubs in the Swedish main flight league in this thread (first post, preferably).

I'll start out with my local club - Malmö FF. Feel free to use this template when adding other clubs.

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http://www.gronasidanupp.se/images/gronfotboll/mff_stor72.jpg

Malmö Fotbollförening

City: Malmö
City Pop: 285.000
Metro Pop: 630.000 / 3.650.000 (Copenhagen-Malmö MSA)

18x League:

1944, 1949, 1950, 1951,
1953, 1965, 1967, 1970,
1971, 1974, 1975, 1977,
(1985), 1986, (1987),
1988, (1989), 2004.

14x Cup:

1944, 1946, 1947, 1951,
1953, 1967, 1973, 1974,
1975, 1978, 1980, 1984,
1986, 1989.

International Merits:
Champions League (then European Cup) runners-up, 1979
Qualified for European Cup 11x
Qualified for Cup-Winners Cup 6x
Qualified for UEFA Cup 16x
Qualified for Intertoto Cup 28x

Home Ground:

Sponsor Name: Swedbank Stadion
UEFA Name: Malmö New Stadium
League Capacity: 18.000 seated + 6.000 standing
UEFA Capacity: 21.000 all seated
V.I.P. Boxes: 54
Club Seats: 3000
Restaurant capacity: 2250
Inauguration: Mid-April 2009
Construction Cost: ~ €65 million (at construction start)
Design: Fojab Arkitekter / Berg Arkitektkontor AB

International: Main Venue at UEFA Under21 Championship 2009

http://www.mff.se/Bilder/U21.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/3020134510_3660212c35.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3147/2511364998_9b9ef6e042_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2089/2510532145_cdaa2b46fb.jpg

Live webcam, facing south:
http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/webcam/SwedbankStadion_webcam.jpg?dummy=1231943484935

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/3132499105_5e96a6dd7d_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3210/3102869984_c160f1eb53_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/3081575389_cae52a3043_o.jpg

Old Home Ground:

Sponsor Name: -
UEFA Name: Malmö Stadium
League Capacity: 27.500 (UEFA: ~11.000-16.000)
Inauguration: 1958

International: FIFA World Cup 1958 Venue, UEFA Euro 1992 Venue

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3080/2383101151_10d92189cc_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2066/2426622341_1b19fba8d4.jpg