but I lost sense of 'high' now, with all the super super talls flooding into Dubai recently I'm not seeing all these 600m towers like russia tower chicago spire or shanghai center as that tall anymore.

Completely agree man. :cheers: Those U/C in Dubai are just flooding.

But still, this tower is Great. :okay:

i i love the design and its very high!! :D
after is completed it will be the tallest building in Europe! and the third tallest in the world ^^

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/euromax/Copyof4173_3.jpg

it's not Russia tower. it's House on Mosfilmovskaya
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=116980&page=33

it's not Russia tower. it's House on Mosfilmovskaya
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=116980&page=33

huh!!!???:sly:

^The pic you posted of a building under construction isn't Russia Tower. Russia Tower is still undergoing prep works. That's what he was talking about. :cheers:

What are you going on about, euromax?

:lol: He though that's was Russia Tower I guess ...nevermind Euromax I sometimes blured by excitment too :lol:

Russia Tower will be here:

http://foto.rambler.ru/public/hamsterw/3/IMG_0078/IMG_0078-webbig.jpg

^^ my bad the guy that show me that pic told me that that was the Russia tower,, ohh well :lol:

Gonna be one sweet looking cluster in a few years. :)

My Model :) Russia tower

http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0810/36/579163f71e0ft.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/s45.radikal.ru/i109/0810/36/579163f71e0f.jpg.html)

http://s51.radikal.ru/i134/0810/28/6c35383e2950t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/s51.radikal.ru/i134/0810/28/6c35383e2950.jpg.html)

^^ good job skyscraper 100, but I lost sense of 'high' now, with all the super super talls flooding into Dubai recently I'm not seeing all these 600m towers like russia tower chicago spire or shanghai center as that tall anymore. Weird but natural init?

Yeah that's true, to me 600m (which is taller than the CN Tower!) doesn't seem nearly as high to me as it seemed just on year ago, with all those new towers in Dubai, as well as in Kuwait and Jeddah, some of which are planned to be more then double the height of Russia Tower (which already is two times higher then Europe's currently tallest highrise!) ...
But still the massiveness of this tower, as well as the unique "rocket" design will surely make RT one of the most recognizable highrises worldwide, as well as a new landmark for Moscow on par with the Kremlin and St. Basil's Cathedral.

They have halted the contruction of Chicago spire ... is the Contruction's status of this Russia Tower any better than the fate of the CS ?

Recent weeks there is not much activity at the site. We don't know the reason, do they stay because of technology or funds. Project isn't on hold officially though.

That would be ashame if they can't get this tower going , while little Dubai and China cities keep on building like never tomorrow over there !

Recent weeks there is not much activity at the site. We don't know the reason, do they stay because of technology or funds. Project isn't on hold officially though.
I don't know, was there a few days ago, ammount of activity seems to be the same as usual, hydrofraise changed it's position. I wasn't paying much attention though...

18-19/10/08

Work is not conducted

http://s41.radikal.ru/i094/0810/89/f6a606fb6dad.jpg

http://s44.radikal.ru/i104/0810/57/2e4709cefc24.jpg

http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0810/12/238e86be2e91.jpg

Well, lets hope it's one of the usual setbacks that were happening all around Moscow City at one time or another, and not lack of funding due to credit crysis.

Long time no see, Russia Tower construction site update photos. Cheers Igor.

Sad to see it halted, but at least were not left wondering. No reason that construction can't restart in the future though.

Damn, sorry Moscow. :(

so its not officially halted but there has been no progress for a while?

soletanch should finish by july 2009. so there is still a lot of time.

Bad news:

Сегодня говорил с инженером СОЛЕТАНШСТРОЯ на обьекте, он сказал, что все работы прекращены, кризис.


Project is on hold because of the crysis, according to engineer of Soletanchestroi on the plot, questioned by igor.


http://www.guitar.com/uploaded/profile_images/forum_495e875a_Noooooo!!!.jpg

>(>(>( crap

why they dont measure= when they build high rise tower,they should already think also ready for resolve problem if crisis economic its happen...

will this tower not be build now?

Of course, not. And the whole Moscow will be destroyed.

will this tower not be build now?

I hope it will be just delayed for some time until Shalva gets a new credit...

Yeah, it sucks to be a Russian billionaire these days. Some of them were hit pretty hard by the "crisis.” When the future financing of the project gets shaky the project construction turns shaky too.

After all, over one year after complaining about the slow progress (August 2007), I have to say again that I was right - I felt something like this would happen and well, since my last comment (which was in February) on this project, things seem as they didn't progress very much, still working on the underground parts - now not only another winter is coming, but the financial crisis is freezing the construction work completely. I feel like it could take some time to see this tower finished (reminds me of the SWFC story).

the crysis won't be forever, so i don't worry at the moment

Moscow becomes more more and more modern.. :)

This building design is truly a work of art. I think I mentioned it before somewhere but this entire complex seems to resemble a "modern" of St. Basil's cathedral.

I am a Muscovite, and I think this tower is so extremely ugly as to be terrifying. There is nothing Russian in this tower. I wish this tower never gets built. I'm in favor of an old design. Now this is the tower they should have built

http://ionicflux.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/bldng3.jpg

http://ionicflux.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/bldng3.jpg
Retarded pencil.

Why is it retarded? Give some rational motifs for you believe. And where did you find a pencil in here? Make it plain and comprehensible, because I don't perceive your mentality :ohno:

And where did you find a pencil in here?

http://www.designkitten.com/entryimages/pencil031007.jpg

http://ionicflux.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/bldng3.jpg

Why is it retarded?
Because it looks like a pencil

I like that "pencil", hope one day they build it too in Moscow (I've read they are building something very similar in Malaysia or somewhere else in east Asia).

^^ I like that , they should build that tower in Moscow too, that " pencil Tower " doesn't look bad at all , something like classic contemporary , the more the better in this stunning City

The pencil indeed looks far better. Russia Tower won't be much of a landmark for Russia.


When was that tower proposed? And for what place?

That Tower was proposed before the Current Russia tower which has started from sometimes of september 2007 up to now and on hold , right at the location of the being "on hold" Russia Tower , isn't that too bad ...none of them get to see the sky anytime soon :(

That pencil looks great i must say!

the curent project is better :cheers:

agree, i like the current design much more

What are those people on the top talking about saying the pencil design is better???

The current render kills any other render comming near it, no doubt...

Don't think so. The pencil design looks much better and classy. The current one is very exchangeable.

on hold?!? wow....seems like were going to see more of "on hold" in this forum....Chicago Spire, Waterview, now Russia Tower, which one is next?....:ohno:

i would say london bridge tower... but some poeple will be very upset bout my post, like all the chicago patriots who would have killed you if you had any doubt that cs is going to be built.
i also think that most of these 600m or more height towers in dubai wont be built. but enough pessimism for now.

Definitely prefer the current design, very modern. The Pencil looks like a tourist attraction a la Busan Lotte Tower; The new one looks like an icon.

So a tourist attraction can't be an icon?


:sly:

So a tourist attraction can't be an icon?


:sly:No, he means a PC desktop icon.

whatever it is build 'em ... I am so pissed off it's on hold !

So a tourist attraction can't be an icon?

:sly:
I meant icon first, tourist attraction second. A building that looks mature and appealing to businesses and doesn't sport a bloody ferris wheel to its side for the sake of public attention.

This is a pretty swish tower. Unfortunate that it and the Chicago Spire are on hold/possibly canned. Given the current economic climate, however, hardly surprising.

The Russia Tower may provide proof that everything is bigger in Moscow. It stinks that the tower is on hold for no apparent reason.

The Russia Tower may provide proof that everything is bigger in Moscow. It stinks that the tower is on hold for no apparent reason.

It's on Hold because no one is willing to shell out the $1,000,000,000.00+ it'll cost to build. That's a pretty big reason in my book.

i would say london bridge tower... but some poeple will be very upset bout my post, like all the chicago patriots who would have killed you if you had any doubt that cs is going to be built.
i also think that most of these 600m or more height towers in dubai wont be built. but enough pessimism for now.

srry for being offtopic but the tower's in Dubai will be built. matter of fact, most of them are right now under Prep or acquiring land. but when u think about it there really isn't that many 600m towers in Dubai.

srry for being offtopic but the tower's in Dubai will be built. matter of fact, most of them are right now under Prep or acquiring land. but when u think about it there really isn't that many 600m towers in Dubai.
I just love this dreamers, who think Dubai is in a bubble, that is not afected by world financiar crisis.

reasons: less money in the world and...

-turism drop
-price of oil drop
-foreign investments and trade drop

...of course that they are playing in the sand on those gargantulan projects, to create the ilusion that Dubai is still happening, or else it will start a panic, and the fragile real estate market would go to hell.

P.S.
srry for being offtopic :D

WORD!

It seems the world is in for the same fate , why bother to slap each other on the face ?

I just love this dreamers, who think Dubai is in a bubble, that is not afected by world financiar crisis.

reasons: less money in the world and...

-turism drop
-price of oil drop
-foreign investments and trade drop

...of course that they are playing in the sand on those gargantulan projects, to create the ilusion that Dubai is still happening, or else it will start a panic, and the fragile real estate market would go to hell.

P.S.
srry for being offtopic :D

Do your research. The slight tourism drop and whatnot isn't enough to affect Dubai projects. It would of had done so already by now.

Back on topic I rli hope this doesn't stay on hold. I'm a huge fan of this project and can't wait to see this completed.

On hold sucks ! Mabey their waiting for new engenering plans so they can have a missle silo hidden in the top . . . . . . . or Putin's space plane . . . . . . lol . . . love the design it reminds me of the tower in north Korea, at least this one is not half way done.

^^ that's a little extreme :lol: I wouldn't be that frustrated , let's enjoy something else , life is not all about this Tower , eventually they will get it built if needed for what ever reason , alot of projects have been on hold around the world due to the financial crisis , when it's passed they will resume the construction !

That building looks so nice that it doesn't even look real. http://tinyurl.com/5lst4c/.gif (http://tinyurl.com/6bshx5)

^ It's not. lol

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/11/21/russia.tower/index.html?eref=rss_latest

Fri November 21, 2008
Crunch cripples Europe's tallest tower

MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- Construction work has stopped on Europe's tallest building after developers said their lofty ambitions had been hit by the global financial crisis, a Russian news agency reported Friday.

The credit crisis meant there was no possibility of paying for the Norman Foster-designed 600-meter (1,968-foot) Russia Tower and no demand from tenants to fill it, Shalva Chigirinsky, head of developer Russian Land, was quoted as saying.

The tower in Moscow's new business district was slated to be Europe's largest building when work started in 2007, when Russian construction was booming. The partially-built tower already soars above other office blocks in the area.

It was originally due to have been completed in 2011 and would have been one of the world's largest amid a boom in supertall building projects, particularly in the Gulf states.

"The project is frozen," Chigirinsky was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency. "This is the decision we have made."

Since work started, development and real estate have been badly hit by the financial crunch with companies halting projects and housing prices slumping.

"We don't see any opportunities on the market to finance the project, nor do we see demand for it," Shigirinsky was quoted as saying. "We have no idea whatsoever what will happen tomorrow."

Neither Russian Land nor Foster & Partners were available for immediate comment on Friday.

The partially-built tower already soars above other office blocks in the area.
I think they're a bit confused...

^^ 'The partially-built tower already soars above other office blocks in the area'

I never realised that, I though highest structural part of this tower wasn't even higher than 2m.

I never realised that, I though highest structural part of this tower wasn't even higher than 2m.
I think you're quite right.

Bummer about the RT, sounds to me like it got canned to be honest.

I think they're a bit confused...
I think they confused Russia Tower with Federation Tower. :dunno:

More. From Property Wire.

Confusion over fate of Europe's tallest building
Sunday, 23 November 2008
Russia Tower construction stops

Work on the Russia Tower in Moscow, planned to be the tallest building in Europe has stopped because of the credit crunch.

Billionare developer Shalva Chigirinsky said the crisis had forced him to freeze work on an array of projects, including the Russia Tower, which is to be 612 metres high when completed.

It is just the latest of a string of developments in Russia that are being shelved because of the economic downturn. There was some confusion, however, about whether the project has just been stopped or whether it will ever be built

'The project is frozen. We cannot realise such projects in the current economic conditions. Interest rates are high and there are no resources available for credit,' said Chigirinsky, the chief of the developers Russian Land.

His comments suggested that the building will be built at a future date when the economic crises eases. But in the UK there were suggestions that it will now never be built.

'We have heard that even although work has begun the project is not going ahead. This is because it was meant to be the feature of a much bigger development and there is simply not enough money for the whole development and it would end up being a skyscraper in the middle of a building site. The whole thing has been scrapped,' said a London based architect who know those involved.

The skyscraper, designed by internationally renowned British architect Lord Norman Foster, was expected to be the tallest Europe and the second tallest building in the world, according to Russian Land. Lord Foster's office said they had not been told that is has been scrapped.

Its innovative pyramid design was to have been an unmissable addition to the Moscow skyline and it was planned to include apartments, offices and a hotel.

Chigirinsky confirmed his company is also shelving another flagship project - the Kristall building in the Siberian region of Khanty Mansiisk.

'We have heard that even although work has begun the project is not going ahead. This is because it was meant to be the feature of a much bigger development and there is simply not enough money for the whole development and it would end up being a skyscraper in the middle of a building site. The whole thing has been scrapped,' said a London based architect who know those involved..

If only this architect have read a bit of skyscrapercity.com, than he wouldn't write such bullshit and expose his total lack of knowledge about the subject.
But, as one russian proverb says, "chukcha is not a reader, chukcha is a writer".

So is this project on hold but probably will be completed, or on hold and the future looks very shaky?

I like it a lot, and I think Moscow definitely needs something larger even than the Federation Tower.

The pencil indeed looks far better. Russia Tower won't be much of a landmark for Russia.


When was that tower proposed? And for what place?


I really doubt you'll say the same for a copycat, multiplied by 2 that started being build in a certain city you really, really love .... to trash. :lol:

mm?

I really doubt you'll say the same for a copycat, multiplied by 2 that started being build in a certain city you really, really love .... to trash. :lol:

Original Russia Tower proposal:
http://www.gilgorski.com/media/Color_pencil/images/worlds_tallest.jpg
Lam Tara Towers, Dubai (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=409196):
http://www.albayan.ae/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urllowres&blobheader=image%2Fjpeg&blobkey=id&blobnocache=false&blobtable=CImage&blobwhere=1162995533270&ssbinary=true
;)

Dubai is the world's capital for a second hand design :)

Dubai is the world's capital for a second hand design :)
I'm waiting for a 600m Eiffel Tower in Dubai :banana:

Original Russia Tower proposal:
http://www.gilgorski.com/media/Color_pencil/images/worlds_tallest.jpg


In that render the Russia Tower is located in the plot of the Wedding Palace

Yes, Plot 3. It was proposed in early 1990's.

I'm waiting for a 600m Eiffel Tower in Dubai :banana:Thats already being built in Tokio. The Tokio Sky Tree! :lol:

There were very strong rumors that the developer wants to cancel the project and replace it by several small towers, but the city government is obviously disagree with developer. There are new rumors now - city government want to build it by 2016.

that would be terrible. this tower has to be built. be a real shame if its canned

^^ feel the same way, but this has high chance of getting cancelled, even couple of projects in the middle east are cancelled...

Agree with you guys, thats propably the best megatall project. It would be greate loss if it wasn't build

that would be terrible. this tower has to be built. be a real shame if its canned

absolutely right. they must build it! one of the best designs i've ever seen :)

like freddy said another one bites the dust, at less it seems that way. I hope they build it, all the 2,000 footers are dying off left and right.

New completion date is 2016 (delayed four years) according to the mayor of Moscow.

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=11024

Russia Tower is 4 years behind schedule, says Moscow Mayor

Praised and admired at MIPIM 2008 for both its architectural presence and green innovation as the tallest tower with a natural ventilation system, Foster + Partners’ Russia Tower looked set to become a benchmark for sustainable high-rises. In November 2008 however, the Russian news agency Interfax reported that the project had been halted due to the credit crunch. Developer, Russia Land, could no longer afford to continue with the project and attempts to raise revenue from oil company Sibir Energy, were met with a conflict of interest clause in December due to Russia Land’s Head, Shalva Chigirinsky, holding a large amount of shares in the company.

The latest developments come from Russian news source Kommersant who quoted the Moscow Mayor this week as saying the project is now four years behind schedule, meaning a completion date of 2016 is more likely. Furthermore, despite the financial crisis, he is threatening to impose fines for the delay. The 612m tower, which broke ground in September 2007, is to be a key building within the Moscow International Business Centre and was set to provide substantial residential, retail, office and hotel space to the district, its delay could cause a significant economic impact to Moscow. Functining as a dense ‘vertical city’ the tower would house 25,000 people, with offices, a hotel, shopping and apartments with private gardens.

Foster + Partners are as yet unavailable for comment on the developments but the delay represents one of the major casualties of the financial crisis and no-doubt a severe blow for the London-based firm.

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/project/uploaded_files/11024_Russia%20Tower.jpg

Source (http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.showhome)

nooo, dont cancel!

complete by 2016 sounds better, as long as it gets finished.

^^ you should beg like puss in boots, beg to Russian Land. Joking

I'm pretty sure this thread's gonna get closed soon.

I'm not to sure about that, then again they are talking about delayed to 2016 that a real long time.

Russia Tower is 4 years behind schedule, says Moscow Mayor

Praised and admired at MIPIM 2008 for both its architectural presence and green innovation as the tallest tower with a natural ventilation system, Foster + Partners’ Russia Tower looked set to become a benchmark for sustainable high-rises. In November 2008 however, the Russian news agency Interfax reported that the project had been halted due to the credit crunch. Developer, Russia Land, could no longer afford to continue with the project and attempts to raise revenue from oil company Sibir Energy, were met with a conflict of interest clause in December due to Russia Land’s Head, Shalva Chigirinsky, holding a large amount of shares in the company.

The latest developments come from Russian news source Kommersant who quoted the Moscow Mayor this week as saying the project is now four years behind schedule, meaning a completion date of 2016 is more likely. Furthermore, despite the financial crisis, he is threatening to impose fines for the delay. The 612m tower, which broke ground in September 2007, is to be a key building within the Moscow International Business Centre and was set to provide substantial residential, retail, office and hotel space to the district, its delay could cause a significant economic impact to Moscow. Functining as a dense ‘vertical city’ the tower would house 25,000 people, with offices, a hotel, shopping and apartments with private gardens.

Foster + Partners are as yet unavailable for comment on the developments but the delay represents one of the major casualties of the financial crisis and no-doubt a severe blow for the London-based firm.

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/project/uploaded_files/11024_Russia%20Tower.jpg

Source (http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.showhome)
The exact same article was posted in the post above yours...

yeah and exactly the same was posted few posts above your post ;)

"Сегодняшние условия вынуждают изменить концепцию проекта", - сказал архитектор. По его словам, объем башни будет уменьшен, снизится ее высота (возможно, до 200 м), а также расширится площадь наземного паркинга, поскольку строительство подземных становится слишком дорогим.
http://www.interfax.ru/realty/realtyinf.asp?sec=1460&id=61686

Translation: Current situation forces us to change the concept of the project. Height will be decreased, possibly to 200m.
:ohno:

This is fucked up, i cannot understand how mayor of Moscow could have agreed to this, when he himself layed down the first stone of the tower.
We need a new mayor, this one outlived his usefullness.

Thread title can be changed to "cancelled" i guess.
We can only hope that global crisis will cause bankruptcy of the developer and he will be forced to sell the project insted of vasting a plot on some retarded 200m tower.

^^ They'll probably wait until the economy eases and build the actual tower then.

This is really awful news, well lets hope that it isn't true that the construction on Russia Tower was either cancelled or that the height has been reduced to 200m, that would really be catastrophic !

My best hope is that the developer will wait until the economic situation eases again , but Russia's economy seems to be in very deep trouble after the huge decrease in oil prices, and the withdrawal of investors out of Russia.

I just hope that the economic situation will get better again soon because Russia Tower really was (or still is) a great project that definitely should get built, and even if it'll be by 2016 since it would be a great landmark for Moscow, Russia and Europe, and last but not least because it would overtake Chicago Spire by 2m making Europe the second continent after Asia with higher buildings than North America.

Oh that was your only wash to bad. It's not like anythings happen with Chicago spire. Look at it this way Moscow International Business Center will be just as importing to the world as the WTC in NYC.

Mirax Group has just announced they want to take this project from Russian Land to build it by 2012. No negotiations were performed yet. First they want to know what mayor think about the idea.

Mirax Group has just announced they want to take this project from Russian Land to build it by 2012. No negotiations were performed yet. First they want to know what mayor think about the idea.

isn't Mirax group is in trouble with money too?? :nuts:

http://en.rian.ru/business/20090211/120090304.html

Mirax Group says will complete frozen Moscow skyscraper
17:06 | 11/ 02/ 2009

MOSCOW, February 11 (RIA Novosti) - Mirax Group aims to complete a Moscow skyscraper planned as one of the world's tallest buildings but frozen amid the financial crisis, the developer said on Wednesday.

"We are proposing to the mayor's office that we build the Russia Tower to its original specification," Mirax Group chief Sergei Polonsky told reporters,adding that the company had already consulted investors on the project.

The project in the Moscow City development on the banks of the Moskva River in the west of the Russian capital has been delayed until at least 2016, four years behind schedule, over financing problems. Proposals have been made to cut the height of the skyscraper - planned at 612.2 meters (2,009 ft) - to reduce investment.

Shalva Chigirinsky, head of the tower's development company, said late last year the credit crisis had left him unable to secure investment and cut demand for the tower's office space, even if the building were to be completed.

Sibir Energy, in which Chigirinsky is a major shareholder, dropped plans late last month to buy the entrepreneur's real estate assets, including 50% in the tower. The oil firm planned to pay Chigirinsky $127 million, and take on $213 million of his debt.

Polonsky said Mirax could buy Chigirinsky's stake in the project for $48.5 million, the amount he had asked from Sibir Energy. But he said the company would get the Moscow government's opinion before discussing the deal with Chigirinsky.

Polonsky said the purchase of the Russia Tower would allow Mirax extend parking area in its own projects in the business center, including the rival Federation Tower. He also said the Mirax projects in the center would not look complete without Chigirinsky's skyscraper.

He said the company's talks with Chigirinsky 18 months ago had brought no results.

Well that sounds a bit better :)

If there's any company that is able to realize this tower, it's Mirax group! Fantastic news for Moscow.

It's good to hear that someone wants to take this project over and complete it to the original designs, but I have my doubts about Mirax Group. They've already had to suspend work on several of their projects. Transferring this project from one financially strapped company to another isn't a smart move. If I'm the mayor or on the city council I'd want to see some firm financial fact$ before I approve anything.

Mirax should take over the Imperia Tower site first, that's been on hold for months.

great to hear that, this tower simply has to be build!

The Moscow officials are set to redesign supertall Russia Tower in the international business area Moskva City. The construction works will be performed on a phased basis. The optimization of the project means the total area of the structure and number of floors will be reduced. Hence, the final height of the tower may reach only 200 m.

Currently all construction works on the site are halted, while developers wait for the new project to be approved by the Moscow officials. Besides, the project implies to considerably cut number of underground parking garages due to high prime cost.

http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/7795/


:badnews::badnews:

200 meters? :bash: Is there no turn back?

WTF :wallbash:

that are not the latest news, read post 1352 ^^

The height of the Russia Tower is to be reduced? That most definitely sucks @$$. Either a 200-metre tower on its plot or three shorter skyscrapers and a large parking garage will be terrible options for the project site. So we have two choices: Either we build the Russia Tower to its original planned height (612 metres) or we don't build it at all.

The height of the Russia Tower is to be reduced? That most definitely sucks @$$. Either a 200-metre tower on its plot or three shorter skyscrapers and a large parking garage will be terrible options for the project site. So we have two choices: Either we build the Russia Tower to its original planned height (612 metres) or we don't build it at all.
^^ What is WE?

THEY have a choice: Either they build one gigant (expensive) tower or 3 small (cheap) ones.

:lol:

the way this reduction was anonced in Russian it is unclear if the tower will 200m tall, or if hight of the tower will be reduced by 200m (so that tower will be 412m tall).
At any rate it is way to early to take any of this as a reliable information. In the current mess in construction in Moscow any speculations are beside the point.
But if we would speculate, then one of the developers - Mirax through its flamboyant (not in a faggy way) owner/chairman Sergey Polonsky says it would love to buy the project and finish it in original design, height and location.

Both versions: @400m and @200m :D

scroll >>>
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/rtsm.jpg

the 200m version look so cute... :)

^^ :lol: @ 200m

Anxiously waiting for fresh and reliably news concerning this project... I have no clue why Moscow officials do not take advantage of Mirax Group's offer... :ohno:

@200m

:badnews::down:

^^ What is WE?

THEY have a choice: Either they build one gigant (expensive) tower or 3 small (cheap) ones.

:lol:

But if we build 3 small towers (less than 300 metres), that means that the city of Moscow have p#ssed out on us. Build the tall tower as planned or don't build it at ALL. And I'm not going to build a green space on the site either.

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/project/uploaded_files/11024_Russia%20Tower.jpg

美しい;)

＾＾どっち？（笑）

that photo byu marin is amazing, I'd love see one day those steel beams running diagonally across the tower.

^^ it doesn't look good @ 200m.

^^ it doesn't look good @ 200m.
why?

sorry luci...but that was a silly question :lol:. such a great design has to be it's 600m

^^
is not silly question... they look the same... at 200m,400m,600m,1800m... is the same design... the only diference is how would fit the other buildings.
In Moscow IBC would look small, but in other european cities would dominate the skyline...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/mila.jpg

Maybe the older design?It must be cheaper i think....

Personaly I like the 400m version. It would still look the biggest in IBC, only in statistics Federation Tower would be taller (spire). I know a lot of boys here are obsessed with size (I wonder why :shifty:) and really want a 600m tower, but a 400m would fit better IBC.

I love the design,
The tower will still look good no matter how talll it will be.

Never mind guys but at least you can look forward to it's mummy being built.THE LONDON BRIDGE TOWER as we speak the first piles are going into the ground.Have a look now in the super talls section.

does anyone know if this is on hold or cancelled? i'm confused as to its status

Never mind guys but at least you can look forward to it's mummy being built.THE LONDON BRIDGE TOWER as we speak the first piles are going into the ground.Have a look now in the super talls section.
In anyway Moscow has at least 5 supertalls under construction

In anyway Moscow has at least 5 supertalls under construction

Yes and i've been following there progress very impressed to

delet

does anyone know if this is on hold or cancelled? i'm confused as to its status
From what i read in media, current owner is obliged to sell all his projects by creditors, so status of Russia Tower will be decided by the new owner (assuming that somebody will wish to buy it)

yes i wish that somebody buy it

is it really clear that it will reduced?
if they make it 412m than i am sure that it will get a 100m sire

is it really clear that it will reduced?

No, current owner is now selling the project, so decision will be made by new owner (assuming somebody will want to buy it).
Some time ago Mirax Group, developer of Federation Tower, voiced their interest in buying the project and building original 612m design.
We'll have to wait to see what happens.

Thanks
Than i am sure that the 612m one will be built.
IMO they will start 2010.
According to turkish construction company ENKA moscow needs offices and you can earn a lot. Very expensive :D

Thanks
Than i am sure that the 612m one will be built.

Only if
1)Mirax will have the money to buy the project
2)Mirax will find $2bln to finish the project

Btw, here is the statement in question
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=100&story_id=28249

Mirax Offers to Build Russia Tower

Friday, February 13, 2009

MOSCOW — Mirax Group, one of Russia’s top five property developers, said Wednesday that it would approach Mayor Yury Luzhkov with an offer to take the construction of the 612-meter skyscraper Russia Tower off the hands of its cash-strapped developer, Shalva Chigirinksy.

Mirax owner Sergei Polonsky also told reporters that the company had successfully managed to roll over $317 million in debt, including a $200 million loan from Credit Suisse that came due Monday.

If they can only build 200 meters, we will build the full 612 meters. We have consulted with investors and have an idea about how to go about accomplishing this,” he said.

Mirax is in the process of completing construction on the Federation Tower skyscraper, located near the Russia Tower site in the Moskva-City business district.

“This is a very serious announcement. I’m ready to put my money where my mouth is,” Polonsky said.

This structure will truely look amazing, but if this does reduce, it will looks something like this:

http://homepage.mac.com/fumill/.Pictures/ZNO/RussiaTower1.jpg

^^ Moderator, ban this user!

^^ Moderator, ban this user!

:lol:

^^ Moderator, ban this user!

WTH??? u talking to me? I posted a picture which I got from google and is nothing offensive, and u want me banned? :lol:

No, he was talking about a spamer, with one post after your post and before the one of pablobegood (now deleted).

please not :(:

2009-05-14
Moscow losing most ambitious projects

Moscow may be forced to shelve several of its megalomaniac projects which were planned during the period of high oil prices. The 612-metre high Russia Tower in the Moscow City was intended to be the highest building in Europe, wrote Vedomosti. However, the project is now not likely to see the light of day due to financial problems suffered by its developer, an entity controlled by local businessman Shalva Chigirinsky. Initially, the plan was scaled down and a 200-metre tower was mooted, however, the city council is now believed to be considering replacing the tower project with additional parking facilities for Moscow City visitors. Construction of the largest aquarium park in Europe on Poklonnaya Hill in Moscow has been postponed until 2011, although city authorities insist that the project will go ahead. The reality, however, is that the project is still in the pre-planning stage. The largest European TV centre project is also struggling to attract investors. In addition, the chances of the largest aviation and space museum eventually appearing on Khodynskoye field are also rather low. Experts have claimed that these projects were unrealistic from the very beginning.
print article

http://www.constructionrussia.com/next.php?id=71863


hopefully they'll there's a possibility to demolish the "parking-lot" when the economy is getting better again...

at the moment it doesn't matter for me if they'll build this tower soon...it only matters that they'll build it ever :)


edit: this post should be below the one from Gamma-Hamster :D

Initially, the plan was scaled down and a 200-metre tower was mooted, however, the city council is now believed to be considering replacing the tower project with additional parking facilities for Moscow City visitors.

No, thats not what Moscow officials said. What they said is that they decided that building some 200m castrated tower is a bad idea and better solution is to wait until economic situation is back to pre-crisis state and restart the project. It can take years, so there is a proposal to build a temporary park or parking on the plot.
The good news is that Moscow is still aiming at very high skyscraper in this place, the bad - it will not happen soon.

Judging by the rest of the article this constructionrussia site is shitty and unreliable.

I rather have this built than federation tower and the shard put together... sad. I was looking forward to this project the most.

this tower is amazing!!! and to think that I lived in russia in the 90s...

So now they build a parking lot instead. Any renderings?

So now they build a parking lot instead. Any renderings?

A render of a new parking lot?? who cares... seen one, seen em all.

Sad to see this one go. It was ambitious and a great design.

So there is a chance that this will still get built ?

I liked the height, and it mainly design

Blue

Iconic Russia Tower in Moscow to become a car park
Friday, 12 June 2009

Russia Tower to become a car parkThe Russia Tower, an iconic project at the heart of the prestigious Moscow City complex, will never be built, it has been confirmed.

Instead the 2.4 hectare site will be turned into a car park for 3,000 vehicles to serve existing buildings in the complex.

Developers Russian Land announced at the end of last year that the tower, which had been due for completion in 2011, was being put on hold.

Now it has revealed that it cannot find the $2 billion needed for the project. It had been in discussions with a number of companies with regard to financing. Mirax, one of Russia's top five property developers, had been interested in buying the project.

Sibir Energy had also been in talks but the plan was not possible due to a conflict of interest clause as Russia Land's owner, Shalva Chigirinsky, holds a large amount of shares in the oil company.

At one point the developers even considered building a shortened tower, shaving some 400 metres off the height. But none of the deals discussed were sufficient and its demise is considered as a serious blow to the city.

'Without the Russia Tower the Moscow City project is nothing,' said Mirax owner Sergei Polonsky. He has offered to re-name the Federation Tower which is nearing completion nearby so that the development has an iconic tower.

The 620 metre tower, designed by London based Sir Norman Foster's firm of architects was to have been the tallest in Europe and the second tallest in the world with substantial residential, retail, office and hotel space.

Functioning as a dense 'vertical city' the tower was to have housed 25,000 people, with offices, a hotel, shopping and apartments with private gardens. It included an ambitious self-ventilating system and was described as representing the economic and social vitality of Russia's capital city.

But the vitality has gone out of the Russian economy because of the global crisis and the tower has no life left either.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO:cry:

Goodbye Russia Tower :(

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6600/russiatower3qi6.png

Damn it.

In Soviet Russia, tower cancels YOU.

Surely Russia could have found some guy with Oil to fund the thing.

Iconic Russia Tower in Moscow to become a car park
Friday, 12 June 2009

Russia Tower to become a car parkThe Russia Tower, an iconic project at the heart of the prestigious Moscow City complex, will never be built, it has been confirmed.

Instead the 2.4 hectare site will be turned into a car park for 3,000 vehicles to serve existing buildings in the complex.

Developers Russian Land announced at the end of last year that the tower, which had been due for completion in 2011, was being put on hold.

Now it has revealed that it cannot find the $2 billion needed for the project. It had been in discussions with a number of companies with regard to financing. Mirax, one of Russia's top five property developers, had been interested in buying the project.

Sibir Energy had also been in talks but the plan was not possible due to a conflict of interest clause as Russia Land's owner, Shalva Chigirinsky, holds a large amount of shares in the oil company.

At one point the developers even considered building a shortened tower, shaving some 400 metres off the height. But none of the deals discussed were sufficient and its demise is considered as a serious blow to the city.

'Without the Russia Tower the Moscow City project is nothing,' said Mirax owner Sergei Polonsky. He has offered to re-name the Federation Tower which is nearing completion nearby so that the development has an iconic tower.

The 620 metre tower, designed by London based Sir Norman Foster's firm of architects was to have been the tallest in Europe and the second tallest in the world with substantial residential, retail, office and hotel space.

Functioning as a dense 'vertical city' the tower was to have housed 25,000 people, with offices, a hotel, shopping and apartments with private gardens. It included an ambitious self-ventilating system and was described as representing the economic and social vitality of Russia's capital city.

But the vitality has gone out of the Russian economy because of the global crisis and the tower has no life left either.

Can you please include a link with the article.

:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:
..
.. i really liked the russia tower's design!! especially the light effects at the top of the tower...!
..
..omg! now it's on-hold and will become a car-park..
..
..:bash:

It's still on hold, guys. There's no official information on it yet

Can you please include a link with the article.

http://www.propertywire.com/news/europe/russia-tower-moscow-200906123208.html

Is this a joke?

If this tower is cancelled and made into a carpark instead, that would make the MIBC 50% less awesome. I hope it will still be built!

So if this one really gets cancelled, than the "new" centerpiece of the MIBC will be the federation tower.

Cancellation of the Russia Tower? That's sad news.:cry: That design was stunning in its simplicity and sheer presence.

I've been on and off working on a paper model of the RT for quite a while and now the real thing is probably no more, that news makes it real difficult to sum up the effort to finish it. I was planning to redo it (the base is too big) and then add all the texturing which would have taken an age but now.........:dunno:


Check a preview of my model out at http://miniskyscrapers.googlepages.com/miniskyscraperdownloads22

I just noticed that I did hint that I'd make it anyway whether RT was built for real so maybe I will.........

It's not the end. Maybe some kind of new Russia Tower will be approved after crisis

Iconic Russia Tower in Moscow to become a car park
Friday, 12 June 2009

Russia Tower to become a car parkThe Russia Tower, an iconic project at the heart of the prestigious Moscow City complex, will never be built, it has been confirmed.

Confirmed by who? No source = sensationalist crap.

Thanks Eddy.

Bad news for Moscow... but at least the city will still have Europe's tallest - the Federation Tower (which is almost as tall by spire height).

I ask once again, where is the source of this article?

^^ If you had read more than just one post on this page, than you had read post number 1412 in which eddyk gave us the source!

^^ If you had read more than just one post on this page, than you had read post number 1412 in which eddyk gave us the source!
I don't need the link, i need a name and position of government official who said that the project is cancelled. Without it this article means nothing.

@Will
It's not cancelled. This rumor is more than three months old. It's just one of ideas what to do with the plot. This possible if the plot will be bought by the Moscow Government. But it also could be bought by Snegiri or by Mirax Group. In the last case Mirax Group urged they will build the Foster project unchanged in full height, if will take over the plot.

So far it's on hold, or, as we have in Moscow P&C, Unknown status .

It would be possible that Russian Government include Mirax Group in an association to build the project ??? (with or without another partners )

I can tell me that russian government decides to not build this tower - it is too symbolic

It would be possible that Russian Government include Mirax Group in an association to build the project ??? (with or without another partners )


No. Until Moscow Government is leading by Luzhkov federal government won't have anything to do with Moscow and won't spend Money for it.

It's still on hold, guys. There's no official information on it yet
Do you want to read this page, then rethink what you just said?

A pity... It was an interesting design indeed

Do you want to read this page, then rethink what you just said?
Do you want to read post 1422?

@Will
It's not cancelled. This rumor is more than three months old. It's just one of ideas what to do with the plot. This possible if the plot will be bought by the Moscow Government. But it also could be bought by Snegiri or by Mirax Group. In the last case Mirax Group urged they will build the Foster project unchanged in full height, if will take over the plot.

So far it's on hold, or, as we have in Moscow P&C, Unknown status .

But hasn't Mirax stated they didn't have money for it? Or just another rumor? I heard Mirax had some financial problems. Damn it!

But gotta love unknown status of this project :D

All of Mirax projects are active at the moment.

All of Mirax projects are active at the moment.
All of Mirax projects under construction in Russia are active.

Exactly what I wanted to say. I was saying about Moscow alone and only about ongoing projects. No one from Mirax ongoing projects is on hold.

ugh thats a bad news, this is the project that im waiting for :( :(

Do you want to read post 1422?
No, I don't really. I've already seen this article. (http://www.propertywire.com/news/europe/russia-tower-moscow-200906123208.html)

No, I don't really. I've already seen this article. (http://www.propertywire.com/news/europe/russia-tower-moscow-200906123208.html)

Good for you. :)

Russia Tower Site To Become Car Park
Published on 12-06-2009 by Skyscrapernews.com

Word has come out that the planned 600 metre plus tower to stand in Moscow, the Russia Tower, has been officially junked with the site now inauspiciously set to be transformed into a car park making it one of the most notable victims of the current global recession.

Developer Russia Land was expected to begin construction of the tower earlier this year but has struggled to raise the $2 billion in financing that it requires thanks to the relative weakness of the Russian economy compared to China and India.

Russia Land had approached leading rival Mirax to try and secure their participation in the venture, or alternatively sell it on to them however this also failed.

So desperate were Russia Land to try and build something, anything, that they even did a feasibility study into whether it would be possible to construct the tower at a third of its originally approved height - a mere 200 metres. This has also failed.

With the conversion of the site into a car park it now seems likely that the Norman Foster designed pyramidal supertall will never see the light of day, although mothballing the plot in such a way does make it a prime piece of under utilised real estate suitable for future development once the Russian economy has started to recover.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2157RussiaTowerSiteToBecomeCarPark_pic1.jpg

The're not going to leave the site and wait, they decided to built carpark there. Its clear its cancelled. That doesn't mean of course they cant build something there in future. But still feel sorry for that one. One of the best designs i've ever seen.

Dequal
It would be nice if you will read the thread, at least last several pages, before posting news.

the design wasn´t that good!...

Yeah who's that Foster dude

the design wasn´t that good!...

To each his/her own. I think this would be one of the world's greatest supertalls. The prospects look remote this design being built though. If they do build a carpark, then it's fairly likely it'd be years before a new developer bought the site and then most likely they'd go with their own new design.

The cancellation of this project is really a shame, but as far as i understand it, there's still a glimmer of hope, but it's close to 0% ?
But maybe the carpark idea isn't the worst idea for RT site usage, because if they'd instead built a smaller tower (below 300m-still huge , but compared to Rt it's rather small), the prospect that they will reconsider RT to be built again wouldn't be there, while with a carpark there's still the possibility that they will reconsider it and RT might despite all get actually built sometimes in the future. So let's hope that when the russian economy improves construction on RT resumes, even though it is very very unlikely now....
Certainly it is an awesome , very interesting design, and if Rt would be built it would put Moscow's skyline into the world's best!

No, I don't really. I've already seen this article. (http://www.propertywire.com/news/europe/russia-tower-moscow-200906123208.html)

This article don´t have any sources for it´s information. Come back when you will have a statement from Moscow officials, and not some random dude on teh internets.

The're not going to leave the site and wait, they decided to built carpark there. Its clear its cancelled.
Post credible source of your information.

If all that news from all that articles are all bullshit, shouldn't "Moscow officials" deny that saing "No, its not cancelled, fools!" ? :lol: Really, if they're planning to build it in future they should do that. And if they dont going to build it maybe they just don't want to admit they faild with that one?

^^ Some people should learn that not everything posted on internet is true.
Surely, nothing bad can come from some site giving false information on status of RT, but it can get really nasty when people believe everything they read in more important cases.

^^

http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/fosters-tallest-tower-in-europe-dream-comes-down-to-earth/5203452.article

http://www.propertywire.com/news/europe/russia-tower-moscow-200906123208.html

http://www.themovechannel.com/news/f6f89878-1dba/

Cancelled!!!!!!

can you read a little more careful this thread? it isn't, it's just stupid jornalists

^^

http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/fosters-tallest-tower-in-europe-dream-comes-down-to-earth/5203452.article

http://www.propertywire.com/news/europe/russia-tower-moscow-200906123208.html

http://www.themovechannel.com/news/f6f89878-1dba/

Cancelled!!!!!!

Lol. Post sources man, sources. Not diffirent sites stealing news from each other.

Moderators, put *Postponed* to project

IMO it shouldn't be cancelled as we still don't have credible source!

Lol. Post sources man, sources. Not diffirent sites stealing news from each other.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/5569810/Russia-Tower-scrapped-in-favour-of-car-park.html

Russia Tower was due to have been the crowning glory of Moskva Citi, Moscow's answer to London's Canary Wharf, but has become the latest victim of the country's devastating financial crisis.

"We have taken the decision not to build it," said Alexei Vedenskiy, head of special projects in the Moscow city government. "As to how to use this space, it will either be a park or car park."

Russia Tower was due to symbolise the Russian capital's wealth, putting it at the forefront of modern architecture. Lord Foster said it would become the world's tallest naturally ventilated building.

But the estimated £1.2 billion price tag proved too high for the project developer.

Lord Foster's firm, Foster and Partners, declined to comment on the elegant skyscraper's possible replacement with a car park housing up to 3,000 cars.

"We have not had confirmation of the project's outcome and the client is looking into a number of different options for the site," a spokesman said.

However, the Moscow authorities confirmed to The Daily Telegraph that the project will not proceed.

can you read a little more careful this thread? it isn't, it's just stupid jornalists

as you can see not so stupid...

SE9, for god sake, Moscow Government does not own the plot.

This interview was given in late april

http://www.rbcdaily.ru/2009/04/28/market/412546

It does say "The project is on hold due to financial problems of Russian Land. Therefore we are looking into alternative variants. We are calling to build parking or a park. We will forward our proposal to Luzhkov. But at the same time we do not refuse Russia Tower project".

Luzhkov has also Mirax proposal. So far it was announced Russian Land is negotiating with Snegiri Developement. They have reached agreement at least on management over Russian Land, but did not yet reached agreement on plots. There is also Dresdner Bank can take over the plot - it was crediting 0 phase of Russia Tower, but gone into difficult position after crisis and was unable to open next credit line. There was rumors Sberbank was in the project, however without confirmations.

So far there are no any decisions, not on Russian Land side, not on city administration side. Car parking was just a proposal.

Mirax has got federal support recently and since Luzhkov's armchair is very cranky last time he can force Russian Land to approve Mirax proposal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/5569810/Russia-Tower-scrapped-in-favour-of-car-park.html

Russia Tower was due to have been the crowning glory of Moskva Citi, Moscow's answer to London's Canary Wharf, but has become the latest victim of the country's devastating financial crisis.

"We have taken the decision not to build it," said Alexei Vedenskiy, head of special projects in the Moscow city government. "As to how to use this space, it will either be a park or car park."

Russia Tower was due to symbolise the Russian capital's wealth, putting it at the forefront of modern architecture. Lord Foster said it would become the world's tallest naturally ventilated building.

But the estimated £1.2 billion price tag proved too high for the project developer.

Lord Foster's firm, Foster and Partners, declined to comment on the elegant skyscraper's possible replacement with a car park housing up to 3,000 cars.

"We have not had confirmation of the project's outcome and the client is looking into a number of different options for the site," a spokesman said.

However, the Moscow authorities confirmed to The Daily Telegraph that the project will not proceed.

Thats sad to hear. Well, there sill nothing preventing project from restarting after current crisis ends. Also, this decision may not be final, since ownership of the project after collapse of the developer is still undecided.

SE9, for god sake, Moscow Government does not own the plot.

This interview was given in late april

http://www.rbcdaily.ru/2009/04/28/market/412546

It does say "The project is on hold due to financial problems of Russian Land. Therefore we are looking into alternative variants. We are calling to build parking or a park. We will forward our proposal to Luzhkov. But at the same time we do not refuse Russia Tower project".
Reports are so far conflicting. We should wait.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/5569810/Russia-Tower-scrapped-in-favour-of-car-park.html

Moscow's answer to London's Canary Wharf
Btw, lol ;)

Btw, lol ;)
Don't you know the World is spining around the UK? ;)

Is time to take this fantastic design and build-it in Dubai... :rock:

not in dubai
:bleep:

anywhere

anywhere

Exactly, its sad to waist that great design.

not in dubai
:bleep:

True. It would be like putting the Empire State Building in Las Vegas, or putting a diamond in a bag full of trash (I'm not comparing dubai or Las Vegas to trash, I love both cities, but the quality of the design between this tower and it's possible surroundings).

Is time to take this fantastic design and build-it in Dubai... :rock:

yeh :), good idea!

I am devastated to hear that the Russia Tower will never be built. The company proposes to use the site to build three smaller skyscrapers and a large parking garage. Despite this, I hope that a 600-metre tower that has a different design that either of the Russia Tower proposals should be proposed. And i still do NOT want those three smaller skyscrapers and/or that parking garage constructed as they will definitely spoil the plan for the Moscow International Business Centre and I reject any arguments.

I am devastated to hear that the Russia Tower will never be built. The company proposes to use the site to build three smaller skyscrapers and a large parking garage. Despite this, I hope that a 600-metre tower that has a different design that either of the Russia Tower proposals should be proposed. And i still do NOT want those three smaller skyscrapers and/or that parking garage constructed as they will definitely spoil the plan for the Moscow International Business Centre and I reject any arguments.
Moscow needs a signature skyscraper, that's a fact. Russia Tower looked too much like the Ryugyong Hotel. Conclusion: they're using crisis as an excuse to change the design for political reasons. A new ~600m will be build in the next few years, I'm sure.

Moscow needs a signature skyscraper, that's a fact. Russia Tower looked too much like the Ryugyong Hotel. Conclusion: they're using crisis as an excuse to change the design for political reasons. A new ~600m will be build in the next few years, I'm sure.That's an interesting theory, albeit unlikely.

That's an interesting theory, albeit unlikely.
No. They always have to mind the British press... :bash:

No. They always have to mind the British press... :bash:

I hope your joking. Bitching about our press in a Russian thread?

I hope your joking. Bitching about our press in a Russian thread?
I was pretty vague, wasn't I? But I don't understand you reaction either. I suppose when you're vague you'll get interpreted differently by every individual based on his/her own mind. Sorry, :hug: ?

I can not believe that they cancelled this project. It was impecable for the style and design quota of Moscow and Russia. I am sad to see that it has to go for good. I hope someone else can maybe fund it to be a success. Why was it cancelled?

It's not cancelled yet. Nobody has bought a plot so far yet, nor nobody has bought Russian Land entire business or single projects. So it's still on hold.

next time read the thread before posting

or the thread title :lol: lol

It's not cancelled yet. Nobody has bought a plot so far yet, nor nobody has bought Russian Land entire business or single projects. So it's still on hold.

next time read the thread before posting

A little sensitive are we?? Take a chill pill dude.

that's not for sensitivity, that's for attention.

that's not for sensitivity, that's for attention.Any chance you can change the title from 'Cancelled' to 'On Hold'. I think it's misleading people. :)

I'd change the whole title. Whatever is eventually built in the plot, is going to be a completely different design.

wow awesome

It would be a dream come true if this tower will be build to it's original design.

So the status is, the same as Chicago Spire but without a hole?

^^ :lol:

So the status is, the same as Chicago Spire but without a hole?Yes, pretty much!

Hello folks,

I really feel sorry for you guys...It must be hard to swallow the pill given that the works had begun...:ohno:

I'm not russian,but the cancellation of this great tower is very sad.:ohno:

I'm as gutted as you are but there's nothing we can do.The crisis strikes everywhere and already has made some other projects uncertain in the world...

Let's hope Moscow will design another interesting tower once the crisis is over.

Bye to you all.

Hello folks,

I really feel sorry for you guys...It must be hard to swallow the pill given that the works had begun...:ohno:

I'm not russian,but the cancellation of this great tower is very sad.:ohno:

I'm as gutted as you are but there's nothing we can do.The crisis strikes everywhere and already has made some other projects uncertain in the world...

Let's hope Moscow will design another interesting tower once the crisis is over.

Bye to you all.

^^ I also really feel sorry for you...

It's not cancelled yet. Nobody has bought a plot so far yet, nor nobody has bought Russian Land entire business or single projects. So it's still on hold.

next time read the thread before posting

be realistic.
This thing is cancelled.

Whatever will be built on this plot will be completely different so Russia Tower is cancelled in the design (and name too) as we know it.

be realistic.
This thing is cancelled.

Whatever will be built on this plot will be completely different so Russia Tower is cancelled in the design (and name too) as we know it.


Maybe, but I still believe that not:)

why they cancel this project? .. i guest so by some time they will find way to continue this..

why they cancel this project? .. i guest so by some time they will find way to continue this..
This was due to the global economic recession, they were in the middle of preparations already.

I also really feel sorry for you...... and we for you. Reminds me of the Twin Towers 2 crowd.

From today's press-conference. The tower is not cancelled, it's officially on hold and still planned to be built. But while they are looking for a new investor and solving all legal questions they plans to build a cheap-quick temporal ground solution for parking. All legal questions to build the parking should be clear by next month.

From today's press-conference. The tower is not cancelled, it's officially on hold and still planned to be built. But while they are looking for a new investor and solving all legal questions they plans to build a cheap-quick temporal ground solution for parking. All legal questions to build the parking should be clear by next month.

But I suppose that it will have to be re-approved...

...and redesigned, and renamed. If thats not true just correct me. But i suppose as 612m russia tower its dead.

All depend on will future investor buy only a land plot, whole project or entire business.

In my opinion, there are some kinds of insane races in human history, e.g:
1. Nuclear arms race
2. Supertall skyscraper race

In my opinion, there are some kinds of insane races in human history, e.g:
1. Nuclear arms race
2. Supertall skyscraper race

If mankind back in 1950s started with economic and scientific race, then the world will be totally different right now. Good thing the Cold War is gone and we are now starting with the economic race. However, we are currently struggling with the economic race. Hoping we will recover soon.

If mankind back in 1950s started with economic and scientific race, then the world will be totally different right now. Good thing the Cold War is gone and we are now starting with the economic race. However, we are currently struggling with the economic race. Hoping we will recover soon.

That is one of the dumbest things to say. Warfare is probably one of the greatest ways of achieving economic advancement and prosperity.
Yes, destruction and mayhem are an inherent part of it, but the scientific and technological discoveries/achievements kick started by military research are endless. Virtually everything around you nowadays is somewhat a spinoff from the will to annihilate yesterday or even today's declared enemy.
The Cold War was a fantastic opportunity for development and real progress; and if I may add, you Yanks should have picked a man better fitted to understand modern day challenges then the child currently not launching the new phase of military/scientific research he should have launched to answer Chinese and Russian ambitions.

"Good thing the Cold War is gone..." Think again. From a humanistic point of view, your statement is just about viable (still very naive though). Period.

Cold hor Hot is just a reference to a certain war
human conflicts are endless so the war is unavoidable from time to time on earth
Let us hope that there would be no such a big war which would end the human existence.
The arms race is unavoidable
But is the crazy supertall race (500, 800, 1200 m...) really needed for human life or its just about show-off ? can it be stoppable?

I hate the supertalls so much (e.g. the latest one in dubai) it resembles a tree not a human house. In that case human living has been put back onto trees, a backward evolution?

That is one of the dumbest things to say. Warfare is probably one of the greatest ways of achieving economic advancement and prosperity.
Yes, destruction and mayhem are an inherent part of it, but the scientific and technological discoveries/achievements kick started by military research are endless. Virtually everything around you nowadays is somewhat a spinoff from the will to annihilate yesterday or even today's declared enemy.
The Cold War was a fantastic opportunity for development and real progress; and if I may add, you Yanks should have picked a man better fitted to understand modern day challenges then the child currently not launching the new phase of military/scientific research he should have launched to answer Chinese and Russian ambitions.

"Good thing the Cold War is gone..." Think again. From a humanistic point of view, your statement is just about viable (still very naive though). Period.

this is one of the dumbest things to say. warfare is one of the most inefficient engines for economic growth. it costs money to finance wars that serve the sole purpose of destroying capital. the same scientific achievements during war could also be the achievements without war if you invest the same amount of money. real economic growth comes from industry driven innovation that demands technology and human capital and is not dependent on government funded research in how to kill people.

War is bad for business, and the more global the economy becomes, the more resistance there will be to war. Increasingly, trade partners find themselves on the opposite sides of a political machinery. I think we saw the last world war already, and maybe the internet plays a role in that.

War is bad for business, and the more global the economy becomes, the more resistance there will be to war. Increasingly, trade partners find themselves on the opposite sides of a political machinery. I think we saw the last world war already, and maybe the internet plays a role in that.

you'd think russia would benefit from an all out war. i mean they have alot of commodities and war would jack up the price and demand, and to be honest, Russia kindof runs there economy on commodities...

Dangerous

That is one of the dumbest things to say. Warfare is probably one of the greatest ways of achieving economic advancement and prosperity.
Yes, destruction and mayhem are an inherent part of it, but the scientific and technological discoveries/achievements kick started by military research are endless. Virtually everything around you nowadays is somewhat a spinoff from the will to annihilate yesterday or even today's declared enemy.
The Cold War was a fantastic opportunity for development and real progress; and if I may add, you Yanks should have picked a man better fitted to understand modern day challenges then the child currently not launching the new phase of military/scientific research he should have launched to answer Chinese and Russian ambitions.

"Good thing the Cold War is gone..." Think again. From a humanistic point of view, your statement is just about viable (still very naive though). Period.

umm, i personally dont agree with you. if we had not been in a Cold War, scientists would still have researched, but they would share there research with other scientists in the world elsewhere who can use their findings and more effectivly inform one another... thus, scientists would be able to reasearch more advanced technologies and solutions to our problems. Not to mention, we wouldn't have that stupid nuclear race that is now threatening all of our lives with the N.K.s and Iranians (altho the Iranians may be telling the truth, but I'm not sure yet) threatening to start a nuclear war. Not to mention, upkeeping the nuclear missles costs a (forgive the language) shitload of taxpayer's money.

you'd think russia would benefit from an all out war. i mean they have alot of commodities and war would jack up the price and demand, and to be honest, Russia kindof runs there economy on commodities...

Dangerous

artificially inflated demand is hardly a sustainable long term growth strategy.