http://www.novaregroup.com/images/portfolio/element.jpg

395 Units, 400+ Ft in height...

The website will be http://www.elementofyou.com/

Decided to start an official thread on the topic instead of using the Novare-Intown projects thread. I started that as an ambigious Novare thread devoted to the two lots directly north of Skypoint. But Novare has more projects in the queue for Tampa and so that thread is still something to hang on to...

Let this one be for general discussion (and photos) of Element...

Wow its barely different than skypoint. :sleepy:

Wow its barely different than skypoint. :sleepy:
Ya but I like it more then Skypoint. the top is more architectally interesting especially with the lit up spire.

^^I agree with that too.

^^I agree with that too.


And its taller, about 60-75 feet. ;)

the porches seem larger on the units near the front (Franklin side) of the building.

I lkike the glass coloring -- pale or no-color look.

From this rendering the parking garage looks better then Skypoint's too.
Element has its website up....

http://www.elementofyou.com/

It's just contact information, for now, however I wouldn't be surprised to see this project and the Channelside one to bocome more serious when Skypoint tops out. (Just 3 floors and spire to go)

From this rendering the parking garage looks better then Skypoint's too.
Element has its website up....

http://www.elementofyou.com/

It's just contact information, for now, however I wouldn't be surprised to see this project and the Channelside one to bocome more serious when Skypoint tops out. (Just 3 floors and spire to go)
It's amazing how fast Skypoint has gone vertical. Faster than anyone expected to be. I wonder if will expect the same again. Since they are focusing on 2 towers this time, will one get more attention than the other or will both go the same pace?

Element certainly looks better than Skypoint in some aspects, but please next time, no clone of Skypoint.

Element is an amazing building! I can't wait until Construction begins! DT Tampa is on the brink! I'm thinking about buying a unit here.

On the Brink?

Come on, lets go back to reality for a second here. No units in Element have been sold, no unit prices have been revealed. The residential market is drying out and right now the real estate market is flooded with homes and units for sale. Downtown Tampa still boasts a huge vacancy rate with commercial floor space in the business towers and that means less of a worker market immediately downtown interested in being closer to work.

Tampa isn't "on the brink" -- it's at the tail end of a phase of real estate growth.

I like both the Skypoint tower and Element as much as anyone else (and I have enjoyed watching Skypoint under construction the last year) but I'm not going to use phrases like "on the brink" while knowing there are so many things WRONG with the city with regards to infrastructure to properly support residents downtown.... It'll be a good 10 years before we know if we were "on the brink" or "on the verge" at this moment in time. Someone could have said ten years ago Tampa was "on the brink" with Ice Palace and the Aquarium opening up to start the Channelside growth phase, but looking back now... To say we were "on the verge" then was jumping the gun. Things didn't start really growing until much later.

On the Brink?

Come on, lets go back to reality for a second here. No units in Element have been sold, no unit prices have been revealed. The residential market is drying out and right now the real estate market is flooded with homes and units for sale. Downtown Tampa still boasts a huge vacancy rate with commercial floor space in the business towers and that means less of a worker market immediately downtown interested in being closer to work.

Tampa isn't "on the brink" -- it's at the tail end of a phase of real estate growth.

I like both the Skypoint tower and Element as much as anyone else (and I have enjoyed watching Skypoint under construction the last year) but I'm not going to use phrases like "on the brink" while knowing there are so many things WRONG with the city with regards to infrastructure to properly support residents downtown.... It'll be a good 10 years before we know if we were "on the brink" or "on the verge" at this moment in time. Someone could have said ten years ago Tampa was "on the brink" with Ice Palace and the Aquarium opening up to start the Channelside growth phase, but looking back now... To say we were "on the verge" then was jumping the gun. Things didn't start really growing until much later.

John,

I understand your skepticism. Especially when it comes to projects like Tampa Towers by inexperienced developers, or buildings whose units start at $800,000 + . However I am not sure that Novare can be lumped in with those. These guys know what they are doing and are in a price point that is reasonable for average people. They have made a major investment in Tampa. Personally I think they are here to stay and I think this project will get done. Maybe it won't sell out as fast as skypoint, but my bet is that it will get done nonetheless.

^^ I think everyone pretty much agrees Element and atleast some of the other Novare and Wood projects will get built, but it takes way more then that to get a city like Tampa "on the brink" or over it. Granted there are other projects that haven't started yet that will probaly be built. But there are to many other factors then residential towers to make a city. (ie. parks, museums, retail etc.) I'm also thinking 10 to 15 years before Tampa has an average to slightly above average downtown all things considered.

^^ I think everyone pretty much agrees Element and atleast some of the other Novare and Wood projects will get built, but it takes way more then that to get a city like Tampa "on the brink" or over it. Granted there are other projects that haven't started yet that will probaly be built. But there are to many other factors then residential towers to make a city. (ie. parks, museums, retail etc.) I'm also thinking 10 to 15 years before Tampa has an average to slightly above average downtown all things considered.


I agree. Its too bad we have seen the museum deal fall through, the riverwalk fall through (at least state funding) and the extension of the trolley get nixed..

Retail will come with the residential projects though - I am not worried about that.

^^ I think everyone pretty much agrees Element and atleast some of the other Novare and Wood projects will get built, but it takes way more then that to get a city like Tampa "on the brink" or over it. Granted there are other projects that haven't started yet that will probaly be built. But there are to many other factors then residential towers to make a city. (ie. parks, museums, retail etc.) I'm also thinking 10 to 15 years before Tampa has an average to slightly above average downtown all things considered.

Exactly. It's a MUCH broader scope of things that people have got to start remembering on this forum. We've had people talking like the 2009 Super Bowl is a deadline to get projects built because everyone in the world will see us and this and that... In reality, 2009 is a deadline to get our act together as a region and start building for the future. If we want ot be on the brink - we gotta start successfully implementing stuff now for the future. At this point, the city hasn't even begun to look at problems that could surface, or the county passes on discussing projects that could improve life for residents.

I'm not skeptical about Novare as so much the whole real estate market... I also know a handful of development projects do not a city make. Tampa and Tampa Bay as a region have a looooooooong way to go before we could be considered "on the brink".

I realize I'm relatively new here, but from everything I'm reading, you guys don't put much faith in our downtown. I came from Atlanta, and I can tell you that Novare almost single-handedly transformed the Midtown area up there in only a few years. I know it's good to be skeptical, but seriously, how 'bout a little old fashioned positive thinking. It's like a kid being told he'll never amount to anything, eventually he believes it and loses hope in himself. That's exactly what you guys are doing to the downtown idea. Let's just try not to knock it around so much and actually try to get excited about the possibilities. Yeah, it may take 10-15 years, but so what. At least it will happen. Just my 2 cents...

With all due respect, Tampa and Atlanta are two completely different markets. You are also referencing a time period that has come and gone already. Even Novare, with all the faith and credit it receives on this board, is not putting up towers in Atlanta or anywhere for that matter at the same rate that it was. I am currently doing two of the projects in Midtown Atlanta that you are talking about and trust me, it hasn't been all lovely and as easy as it appears on the outside.

I further dont buy the whole, "if you talk about it long enough, it will become true" theory. Lets put this into perspective, we're sitting around a messaging board discussing and critiquing projects, not building them. Again, with all due respect, you could be as negative as you want on this forum all day, it has zero affect on the outcome of a project.

http://www.novaregroup.com/images/portfolio/element.jpg


Hey look, it's Skypoint all dressed up for Halloween...

:|

^^ Snarky, sarcastic.... Appropriate. I like it! :D

lol.

Well...John F...you seem very pessimistic. Did you tune into Fox news tonight to here the mayor discuss on National Television the redevelopment efforts that are underway in downtown Tampa? according to this special downtown Tampa is "on the brink"!

Nice thing about Novare is you never have to wait for renderings! :)

Nice thing about Novare is you never have to wait for renderings! :)


Yea because they just run those renderings through the copying machine. ;) But seriously, the low prices of units for Novare and the copying of nice but non-risky building designs makes Novare a high percantage developer.

Well...John F...you seem very pessimistic. Did you tune into Fox news tonight to here the mayor discuss on National Television the redevelopment efforts that are underway in downtown Tampa? according to this special downtown Tampa is "on the brink"!

You just cited Fox News as a source.

What was the Mayor supposed to say anyway? "We suck, we know it?" No elected official is supposed to paint a gloomy picture.

And for the record -- I am not pessimistic as so much a realist. Tampa isn't "On the brink". Tampa doesn't have a deadline of January 2009 to have developments done. Tampa has to work on a number of things for incoming residents and there are a number of roadblocks that can hurt the new residential developments in downtown.

I'm sorry if I am supposed to drink the Kool-Aid and masturbate while reading this forum, but some of you guys never look at the larger issues -- just the developments themselves.

Well...John F...you seem very pessimistic. Did you tune into Fox news tonight to here the mayor discuss on National Television the redevelopment efforts that are underway in downtown Tampa? according to this special downtown Tampa is "on the brink"!
Yeah but uhh, not to bring up another topic (as in, don't perpetuate it folks), but these are the same folks who brought us "fair and balanced" and carry on about the Iraq insurgency being in its "last throes"... I believe Faux Nooz about as much as I believe The Inquirer...

Well...John F...you seem very pessimistic. Did you tune into Fox news tonight to here the mayor discuss on National Television the redevelopment efforts that are underway in downtown Tampa? according to this special downtown Tampa is "on the brink"!


It depends on what your definition of "IS" is....

Fox news is obviously lying! :wtf: I drive through downtown everyday and can't see anything that we should be positive about. :dunno:

hey, I was just having fun...

DT Tampa has indeed come a long, long way in the past 15 years... But considering where it was, that still doesn't exactly mean much.

^^ so was I

I do however prefer the optimism and believe that Tampa may well be "ON THE BRINK"

On the brink of what? - a vibrant downtown that is open after 5pm, YES.

On the brink of a city like New York or Chicago? HELL NO and it will never be during my lifetime.

....therefore I referenced to Clinton's "IS" statement.

By the end of the year, the Embassy Suites, The Arlington, 1000 Channelside and Residences on Franklin should all be occupied and/or open for business.

Add Skypoint, Grand Central, The Place, Ventana and Towers of Channelside next year and you've already got more construction downtown in 18 month's time than the previous 18 years (certainly residentially speaking).

I will be interested to see what happens to the following projects that are either in or nearing the sales process, and if they get built or not:
- 610 Franklin
- Element
- The Boulevard
- The Slade
- Blu Channelside
- The Martin
and, of course, the infamous Trump Tower Tampa.

I think it's a bit silly to say Tampa might ever have anything more than an average downtown--and right now I don't think we have that, if we compare against our weight class (I mean, yeah, we got Erie and Flint beat, woohoo).
And bear in mind I already own my little slice of downtown and would be nothing if not a booster, since every new project and new announcement helps my home value. Every new development, Element included (ahem, bump) that appears to put Tampa "on the brink" is matched or exceeded by developments in other downtowns in our weight class. We're playing catch-up, and, like my other hometown Jacksonville, I don't imagine we'll ever get over playing catch-up (though I think Tampa even has a bit of climbing to do to catch Jax).

But I also think some of our "realists" really do lean a little past realism and into pessimism. Maybe that's experience; after all, I've only lived in Tampa for three years and change and it's been pretty exciting the whole time. Do I think every new project will get built? No. Will any new project suddenly be the switch that turns on the vibrant wonderful downtown neighborhood Mayor Afraid-of-airplanes wants? No. But neither need we be all doom and gloom. Tampa's politics is terrible and our downtown is way behind. But sometimes inertia plays a fairly big role--and if only the number of projects currently under construction plus Element (ahem, bump) get built, the amount of new residents in downtown will constitute enough of a power base to, perhaps, see some changes for the better.

Everything need not always be as it was in the past, nor is the future so bright you need to wear shades just to read this forum. I think there's reason for some optimism about Element, and whatever else Novare puts on the other lot, and perhaps the Wood Bros building, because what with the cost of housing in the burbs now, you spend more to live out in BFE in Seffner than you do to live in one of these towers. If you work in the central part of the city or are interested in the nightlife available, admittedly not in downtown but nearby, you have to give these projects consideration. I did, and I'm not rich by a long shot. I doubt I'll be alone, and I suspect Element will sell well if not spectacularly, well enough at least to encourage development of the third lot. More people living downtown will almost assuredly speed development of retail and commercial. I don't think we're about to take off, but we might just achieve a pleasant equilibrium for a few years. The success of Element is a part of that.

Very well stated.

I like the project. I wish Novare would do something in Jacksonville.

I like the project. I wish Novare would do something in Jacksonville.


Jacksonville would be a city I would think they would build in. Atlanta, Tampa, Nashville, Austin, Charlotte, seems like a group Jax would fit into. :dunno:

I wouldn't mind if Novare took over an eyesore of a vacant six-acre lot in the middle of Orlando CBD. Lincoln appears to be poised to purchase it, but it's been vacant forever and I daresay no one could get it developed quicker than Novare.

I like your comments HappySmith, and I'm not sure that we need to compare Tampa to anything but itself. We have to ask ourselves, "has Tampa improved since the last time we checked?" I remember when St Pete was the butt of many jokes, most of them relating to the number of old, northern people sitting on green benches in downtown. Now St Pete's reputation is 180 degrees different, but how does that stack up against other cities its size? I don't think it matters, I just know St Pete is way cooler than it was, and it is growing because of it. If Tampa is able to capitalize on the growth it has experienced by spurring improvements, that's all that matters. Whether it's better than Buffalo or Charlotte does not mean much to me. I just like to see the development improve the quality.

You guys seem to forget that the garage at Channelside that routinely gets filled with people who want to wander a bit was originally considered a white elephant (as was Channelside) and the big buildings over there have not even opened yet . . . that is downtown my friends - the big issue is filling in the gap between the east and west

IF you had been around and observing as long as I have, you would know all the wasrts but still be positive - at least there is more than there was. - do we need lots of things - yes - but we are getting somewhere.

Happy, Talla and smiley are all right on point. You all offer food for thought...

b.t.w. has anyone heard when the Element project will break ground?

In November. Same time or around when Six-Ten Franklin is going to get started as well.

^I wouldn't hold my breath.

Me either, but it would be nice to have it happen.

I think it's interesting that while there may be a lot of activity on the edges of downtown (TBPAC, Conv Ctr, Times Forum, Channelside), the perception of 'nothing happening' remains because you can literally drive down Florida or Morgan on nights and/or weekends and barely see any sign of human life for blocks.

I believe this trend will continue somewhat, as most of the larger planned projects - Riverwalk, Art Museum, Trump Tower, and all the Channelside development - will still be on the perimeter. Even Skypoint is on Ashley, and the Franklin Street developments are only one block in.

While I certainly understand why developers would want to build next to the water, it would be interesting to ponder how different the downtown area would feel if some of the venues with higher activity and foot traffic (Performing Arts Center and Times Forum) were in the center of the CBD.

That being said, I see the ConAgra plant (and accompanying RR tracks) as a huge physical and psychological barrier to filling in between East and West downtown. Until that monstrosity is gone, there will always be a strong sense of separation IMO.

^Agreed, ConAgra needs to go, go go!!!

It is definitely an eyesore! Unfortunately, when the man in charge was interviewed (about a year ago) he said that ConAgra's going nowhere. :(

Looks like they'll have to build around 'em.

^ Seems like a great place for a mass transit station - right in the middle of everything.

You know what else would be ideal is the idea of building some of the public venues (such as some long-discussed museums) in the middle instead of on the water - lots of room, need the infill, center of activity for all new residential development around the fringes.

Along with certain Public buildings, Maybe it would make a nice Park with a pond and a large landmark Fountain. Give it a NYC Central Park resemblance. That would be a great place for Channelside residents to relax and have recreation space.

The site wouldn't be nearly big enough for such a park...

I wouldn't put a park there anyways, as that land use basically perpetuates the chasm between the DT core and the Channelside portion of DT... I would instead target that parcel for a combination of hotel, retail and office space...

Maybe if we asked realy, really, really nice...ConAgra would go away!

IT's not going anywhere.

But a nice park surrounded by relatively tall buildings would be fine - though I doubt that will happen

It is definitely an eyesore! Unfortunately, when the man in charge was interviewed (about a year ago) he said that ConAgra's going nowhere. :(

Looks like they'll have to build around 'em.

So no amount of money, can get the city to move that piece of crap out of DT Tampa.. Man with that gone ,the possibilities are endless at what could go there..

I mean even Tampa's tallest could fit very well right at that location..

Where is ConAgra located anyway in DT? I do not think that I have seen it. Is it just south of DT near the St. Pete Times Forum?

Where is ConAgra located anyway in DT? I do not think that I have seen it. Is it just south of DT near the St. Pete Times Forum?

It's tough not to see ConArga. It's about 3-4 blocks North of the forum. More East of CBD and West of Channelside.

Hell, it's tough not to SMELL ConAgra, at least if you're within three blocks and downwind.
That said, it isn't a bad smell. I actually rather like it (I always ride by ConAgra on my Sunday morning bike rides just to take in the aroma of... well... it smells like bird seed, really). If I had the land nearby, those empty blocks south of it, I'd put some of those little sugar shacks on there, like the three that are along Nebraska now. Of course that would be an absurd waste, but it would amuse me. And nothing's going to go there as long as ConAgra stays. The parking garage there is the last new construction we'll see in that immediate area for a while I imagine, though I'd love to be wrong.

I noticed they removed the two trialers from the element work site? I am curious if they are going to start work soon on this project?

Anyone know if they wil put another camera up for Element or will they use the Skypoint one? Be cool to watch this tower rise as what we did for Skypoint

I would think so. Novare seems to have cameras for most of their projects. And heck they might not even have to use another building then their very own Skypoint to put the camera on.

I noticed they removed the two trialers from the element work site? I am curious if they are going to start work soon on this project?

Yes. :cheers:

Anyone know if they wil put another camera up for Element or will they use the Skypoint one? Be cool to watch this tower rise as what we did for Skypoint

I agree with FloridaFuture on both points. Novare has installed cameras on all of their new projects and they will no doubt install the camera on Skypoint as it is the best place for viewing the construction progress.

I'm totally psyched! :)

How exactly does moving the trailers indicate that they are starting soon?

I admit, I doubted that they would start Skypoint so soon, but ELement would completely shock me. They haven't sold crap.

^^ It doesn't. However, Gregory Minder, of Novare-Intown Tampa Development, LLC, holds a little weight.

As of last Thursday's council meeting, he suggested that they are right on schedule regarding construction of the Element project. Not sure what that means as far as sales are concerned...

He also mentioned that the channelside project will more than likely break ground before the third tower in the northern CBD.

I wasn't assuming the trailers being moved meant anything, that was why I asked if anyone had heard anything. I live and work downtown and that was the first time I have seen anything happening in that area in the past few weeks. I belive the project will be built and will not have any issues selling. Tampa has a shortage of highrise affordable condos downtown.

He also mentioned that the channelside project will more than likely break ground before the third tower in the northern CBD.

That makes since. It wouldn't really be good for road closures to occur for the thrid tower's construction, while new Element residents are coming in with huge, slow moving Uhaul trucks.

I doubt that any meaningful work will occur at Element until Skypoint is considerably further along... As I've suggested before, Element isn't breaking ground this year, no matter how many units are or are not sold. My guess is more like march-ish, maybe later.

I have heard that it was going to start in November?

You heard that from people paid to glorify the project, not be pragmatic about it.

Who's being paid to glorify the project, Jason?

Basically anyone who hopes to profit from the project's development.

Oddly, I went by the site today and the traliers are gone, but in the area where they blocked off the road, they have put up what I will call a message board to put all the notices and other docs you need for a job. I find the whole Novare system very odd.

Once again, I would be shcoked if they started soon - but I was shocked when Skypoint started - and I have a weird feeling they might just start soon - htough the disappearing trailers is odd.

I went to the site yesterday and it looked like a tornado hit it. There was shit everywhere! How long do you all think it would take for a site like this to be cleared and ready for official groundbreaking?

A week if they needed to.

True, and it could also take ten years. I just think that they would not clear the site and then not do anything with it.

Hey mobster, just give Janet Zink a call at the "Times" -- I'm sure she knows the status of development. ;)

True, and it could also take ten years. I just think that they would not clear the site and then not do anything with it.

Oh like Wood has with 610 Franklin?

I think the difference is that Wood cleared the site and put up a fence.

Novare has not completely cleared the site but has barricades in the middle of the road. That takes a bit more effort. I think if the plan was just to let it sit tehy would not have gotten the permission to put the barricades (there plan may fizzle or take a while, but I think the actually intend to do something - shocked as I am about it)

I'm not saying Element won't be built in a timely fashion. However lets not get ahead of ourselves with questions like "how long will it take the site to be cleared for official groundbreaking." Trump has had cranes on their site for a year plus and nothing's and they haven't gone vertical. I think Elemnet will begin going vertical around February or March.

^To go vertical then, they would basically already have to be under construction.

Hopefully they will begin soon. Sad to hear 610 has been postponed after they demolished the historic buildings to build it.

^yeah no shit... They could have at least left the damn buildings alone... Maybe a different developer with a different priority set could have found a way to at least preserve the facades.

^yeah no shit... They could have at least left the damn buildings alone... Maybe a different developer with a different priority set could have found a way to at least preserve the facades.

It's funny they would allow a building to go down without some enforcement of one going up with all the precedent in this town. After all the crap the city council/ county commision has flung preventing/stalling redevelopment, this one stings.

Well, on the birghtside, I thought the design sucked, and questioned a condo going up on that block anyways... I would much rather see a large office tower, or at least a true mixed-use tower, which has a better combination of residential/office/retail/hotel...

The Element condo site had some activity today. They have placed a trailer back on the site and have removed some of the trees. Hopefully this is a sign that things will start moving over there!

I was driving around Tampa on Thanksgiving, and it looks to me that 610 Franklin and Element might just start about the same time..

I thought 610 was on the rocks?

It has a sign on all 4 corners saying, condo's coming soon..

Yeah, I noticed them a few weeks ago. They may have been there for a substantial amount of time and I don't invest much faith in a few (small) signs.

I sound so cynical. Must have been infected with the smiley.

lol

I talked to Ed Turanichik, and he told me it was a go..lol

Those signs have been there for a while and I have not seen any activity at 610. There are always cars parked on the property though and maybe that means something

^^Those could be cars for construction/site prep crews for Skypoint and Element, because I never see people on the 610 site. The project is still a go, they're just trying to find a new way to fund the project. They were able to sell 30 units without really marketing the project, except online. This one better be built though......

Yes I hope it does also. They demolished some more of our history for this building. Why they could not incorporate the design is beyond me.

I sound so cynical. Must have been infected with the smiley.

Indeed, the longer you are exposed to the Tampa Bay area, the more risk you run of catching smiley syndrome

Indeed, the longer you are exposed to the Tampa Bay area, the more risk you run of catching smiley syndrome

The longer I am exposed to the Tampa Bay area, the more I love the direction that downtown, Channelside, and light rail are taking.

^You obviously haven't lived here long enough. :)

funny.....

^You obviously haven't lived here long enough. :)



:lol:

I wouldn't mind this one dying, to be honest. I think it's ugly. :-(

I prefer quality over quantity. Even Novare's offerings are more inspiring. This one already looks dated. We'll see. I'd like something to go there, since they demolished a wonderful building. Hmm.

Yeah that really pissed me off.

New Tampa city slogan:

"Tampa - It's not as bad as Akron, Ohio."

Just trying to help. ;)

New Tampa city slogan:

"Tampa - It's not as bad as Akron, Ohio."

Just trying to help. ;)

I prefer:

At least the NFL plays there...


:)

Just a note about Novare...

If their market studies deem the market is there for this type of "entry-level" product they have the financial backing to start construction without selling a single unit. They've done that in every city they're in.

Just a note about Novare...

If their market studies deem the market is there for this type of "entry-level" product they have the financial backing to start construction without selling a single unit. They've done that in every city they're in.

Ok, well with that said, do you think that they will be able to do both Element and the Twelve project in the next few years?

^^ I suspect the answer is yes -- and the channelside project as well.

If you build it, they will come. . . ;)

^^ I suspect the answer is yes -- and the channelside project as well.

If you build it, they will come. . . ;)

Right now the population in DT is still low. When big projects like Skypoint and GC actually have residents and retail I think the demand will rise again. Novare is smart with the moves they are making now.

I just hope that they are going to build all of their projects. I would love to find out if the rendering villagerealestate had of Novare 3 is what the 47 story building will really look like.

^^I doubt it that rendering looked like Element in height in design we know this one will be a good bit taller and now that its a TWELVE it should look different.

^and most importantly, the architect for the Twelve project is different than the one who did Skypoint and Element.

BY the way they are clearing the site and have a contractor banner up on the fence which - unlike most proposals - is in the middle of the street

^^ actually, Rule Joy Trammell + Rubio of Atlanta are the architects of record for Element and the newly proposed Twelve hotels projects. ;)

(see article dated 10/26/2005 at their website link below)

http://www.rjtplusr.com/news.php?PHPSESSID=3ad4a670116e2ff22b36bed5de318d0b

Odds are it will be a beautiful project.

Construction crew was out in full force today at the element site.

doin' what?

^^ Christmas Caroling.

Ho-Ho-Ho. :D

I do not know anything about construction but they had some sort of drilling equipment and they were digging up the old parking lot that was there.

Someone post a picture and I'll be more than happy to explain what they are doing and why.

I will do it tomorrow night when I go out to downtown.

What is the best program for putting together a panorama shot?

^^ Christmas Caroling.

Ho-Ho-Ho. :D

ROFL :hilarious

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/dmpeek77/element.jpg


http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/dmpeek77/element2.jpg

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here are a few pics I took yesterday

I do not know anything about construction but they had some sort of drilling equipment and they were digging up the old parking lot that was there.

Sinking Caissons?

test drilling?

later in the afternoon they had additional heavy equipment on the lot breaking up the old parking concrete/asphalt.

Caission work seems to be exactly what is going on. Just surprised they haven't had an official groundbreaking ceremony.

....or Sales Office opening :p

Looks like test drilling to me.

Jasons right they're taking soil samples. The auger is too short for piles and not wide enough for caisons. I wouldn't get too excited about it yet.

was in the skypoint office yesterday and they said they were going to start sales by feb and would be shutting down the current office and opening a similar one for the element project.

Once again, I do not do construction, but I do law and business and the fact that they have those barricades in the middle of the road means more to me than test drilling. To me it indicates serious intent to get the project moving.

Plus they have a track record of moving their projects

Agreed, Smiley. I have no doubt, whatsoever, that Element will be the next serious tower rising in Tampa's skyline.

Ain't she purr-dy?!?!
http://www.novaregroup.com/images/portfolio/element.jpg

^^Ya she is purr-dy. ;)

I like the Element design more then the Skypoint design plus Elemnt is a good 40 feet taller. I'm going to take my guess and say Elemnt will begin going vertical in mid March to early April.

Once again, I do not do construction, but I do law and business and the fact that they have those barricades in the middle of the road means more to me than test drilling. To me it indicates serious intent to get the project moving.

Plus they have a track record of moving their projects


Luckily for you guys I am in construction and am currently working on four of Novare's projects throughout the southeast, and I can't stand specualtion. So, I spoke with my contact in Atlanta and they are in fact doing soil samples and test bores. The barricades are in place to remove the remainder of the parking lot (assuming its a lot, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

That said, congratulations! Provided no catastrophic events sitework and construction are scheduled to commence almost immediately. As a previous poster stated sales are scheduled to begin in February, however being the cowboys they are this didn't seem to be of much concern to him.

Luckily for you guys I am in construction and am currently working on four of Novare's projects throughout the southeast, and I can't stand specualtion. So, I spoke with my contact in Atlanta and they are in fact doing soil samples and test bores. The barricades are in place to remove the remainder of the parking lot (assuming its a lot, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

That said, congratulations! Provided no catastrophic events sitework and construction are scheduled to commence almost immediately. As a previous poster stated sales are scheduled to begin in February, however being the cowboys they are this didn't seem to be of much concern to him.

Do you have any idea if they'll be putting up a webcam when it begins construction?

Do you have any idea if they'll be putting up a webcam when it begins construction?

Didn't ask. Im assuming they will, I've got them on all four of my projects with them.

Awesome, this will make a terrific addition to the skyline. Perhaps, it will provide impetus to get the Kress block going. I sure would like to see some retail, down there like a Publix or Target built around the Kress/Woolworth block.

Thanks orlandonative.

Those guys are nuts (or have very, very deep pockets), but they make me happy. That little novare cluster is key to getting that area alive.

I do not think that there will be a Publix there because there is already one less than a mile from this site. The owner of the Hub is VERY happy for Element and Skypoint.

Thanks orlandonative.

Those guys are nuts (or have very, very deep pockets), but they make me happy. That little novare cluster is key to getting that area alive.

Can't wait to see it when/if the TWELVE project gets built, the mixed used component of the project brings some varitey to the area and Tampa has few mixed used projects. Also at 47 stories knowing Novare will but something on top it should be a 500 footer and will dominate the novare cluster.

Indeed - but for now - I'll take Element and the renovated Floridan and some retail around them with some smaller projects.

Twelve is a bit off, I think

Can't wait to see it when/if the TWELVE project gets built, the mixed used component of the project brings some varitey to the area and Tampa has few mixed used projects. Also at 47 stories knowing Novare will but something on top it should be a 500 footer and will dominate the novare cluster.
I think the height for TWELVE was given as something like 562ft in one of the articles a few weeks back. Element was given at 460ft(the rendering shown above sure doesn't look like 460ft to me though)...

I'm going from memory here though...

Maybe we can get someone to do anything with the Kress/ Woolworth building. I know that if I was to live in Element I would not want to come out of the front of the building and see Kress/ Woolworth in their current state everyday.

This is just pure speculation on my part, but for some reason I get the feeling that the Grant and Kress blocks will eventually be purchased by Novare Group/Wood Partners. I guess my speculation stems from recognizing that this kind of fits in with their philosophy of developing a "core area" within a city.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part and no, I don't think anything will be built on those two sites anytime soon even if the opportunity presented itself, but Jeanette Jason has had the Kress block up on the market for a few months now and she's even offered to work with another developer to get this property up and going, but to no avail.

It makes sense that if someone offers the right price, she'll sell and Novare seems to have some very deep pockets. And I also believe that Novare is not just here to build a few towers and run; I suspect they have a much higher goal in mind. Novare wants their name to be synonomous with not only Atlanta, but Tampa as well.

I hope that I'm making sense and NO, I do NOT work for Novare nor get paid to express anything I offer here at SSC. :tongue3:

My gut tells me that they're going to be around for a long time to come and a dozen or so years from now, half of our CBD towers will have their stamp. I, for one, won't complain as long as they vary the towers and not just copy the same design over and over again. :cheers:

^^ OH -- One more thing . . .

I'm psychic. :colgate:

It's possible, if you look at their development history on their website they have rennovated several old buildings in the past in Atlanta. Matter of fact, it dominated their history up until recnetly. I also think (or really would like) for them to take over the Wood project. They have good relation with Wood and partner on several projects. Kress and Floridan are key to bringing new development farther away from the river and closer to Central Park.

That is going to be nice (moving development from the river and closer to Central Park). I can not wait, well I guess I can, for all of these projects that are currently going on to be finished.

Agreed, Smiley. I have no doubt, whatsoever, that Element will be the next serious tower rising in Tampa's skyline.

Ain't she purr-dy?!?!
http://www.novaregroup.com/images/portfolio/element.jpg

It's already on the Novare projects list underway construction..

On the Novare group page..

^I just looked, and it doesn't say that... At least not that I saw.

If it was u/c, I suspect that it would be on their news page...
http://www.novaregroup.com/resources_news.html

Jason hit development then click on current projects

Element
Skypoint are both on there..

"development" does not mean "construction"...

Yeah, but remember they are just about as happy at being able to say their project is under construction as we are. Consequently a guy with a shovel, on site, digging a hole and we both get excited. Its semantics.

Merry Christmas to everyone.

Edit: Just read your last post Jason, you're absolutely correct.

Jason hit development then click on current projects

Element
Skypoint are both on there..
Oh, that has been there for quiet awhile now.For atleast 2 months I believe. I'm just waiting for the website to be updated.

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6830/skypointfc2.jpg

You know I actually like this building. I would trade this for any of Novare's so called "entry level" condo's they've built in Atlanta. Yeah its the standard Novare rectangle but there are touches of detail that make it more refined that any of their others in at this price point.

Edit: it actually appears to have the same slight curvature of this building by the same architects.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/pincfx/lg_plazaNews.jpg

Will Element be parallel or perpendicular to Skypoint? The latter would be a nice set up for the novare cluster imo

^^From what I've heard and seen at the Downtown model in Channelside it will run parallel. The block just to the North of skypoint which is now the TWELVE project was going to run perpindicular until it became TWELVE, but until we see the design it still might. The reason why they choose their placemnts of buildings is all about the views of the units.

I was actually discussing the development of our downtown with my buddy Chris out in Denver who is an architect and he was some what critical of the lack of cohesion in the designs going up. At least despite their Wizard of Oz Emerald City appearance the Novare projects have cohesion of design. That being said I really hope that we can develop an overall theme for the city, in terms of design. We're not Atlanta, we're not Miami we are Tampa.

Actually, I have no idea why you want cohesive designs - a cohesive layout - like street retail, decent parking, good streetscaping and uniform sidewalks - ok - but why cohesive design. That strikes me as a failed 1950-60 modernist theory. I think charms comes from diversity of design - that is why a mix of old an new is nice (which Tampa really can't have anymore, but . . .)

^I agree. I very much want to see a variety of design styles here, NOT the cookie cutter look that so many towers have in the aforementioned cities.

Maybe we can get someone to do anything with the Kress/ Woolworth building. I know that if I was to live in Element I would not want to come out of the front of the building and see Kress/ Woolworth in their current state everyday.

I hope that they restore it. I kept thinking about how you approached this -- the building being an eyesore and derelict of sorts... And yet it's one fo the only downtown core throwback buildings. I do not want to see it bulldozed and replaced with more condos or even an office tower....

Having infill isn't a bad thing... Just as long as they aren't vacant or empty buildings gone to rot and beyond repair. I think the Kress building could become a very attractive location for some type of boutique restaurant or something, sorta like how a restaurateurs converted a old fire house in LA and made it a all around great eatery... Engine Company #28 (http://www.engineco.com/) has a pretty good rep.

Imagine that -- a non-chain restaurant downtown, surrounded by hundreds or residential units in neighboring towers....

impressive tower

I was actually discussing the development of our downtown with my buddy Chris out in Denver who is an architect and he was some what critical of the lack of cohesion in the designs going up. At least despite their Wizard of Oz Emerald City appearance the Novare projects have cohesion of design. That being said I really hope that we can develop an overall theme for the city, in terms of design. We're not Atlanta, we're not Miami we are Tampa.

No, I am not saying I want cookie cutter clones, however rampant diversity creates what you see at the USF campus. There needs to be common elements shared, between design, material and function that form one more cohesive core. Another point being that, it would not hurt to have more architecturally driven projects than developer driven, Channelside being a good example of developer driven projects. Take a look at Portland's skyline or Seattle and you will get a feel for the cohesive nature I am talking about. The common elements of architecture and style help to form an encompassing culture and vibe that distinguishes the area as unique.

USF is a campus . . . it is supposed to have a theme or common elements in most buildings or at least regions - though not absolute by any means

Downtown is a city . . . let's get funky . . . One thing I like about Tampa, as it is, is the fact that there are some differences - though not really anything architecturally striking.

Interesting and different designs and styles is what gives each building or block it's personality. It not only diversifies the streetscape but the skyline. Now I sort of understand what this Chris guy means, or atleast have my own interpretation. I think if the towers are right next to each other and that are that close in design but not really the same could look tackey. Especially if they're different colors like the rederings suggest. (Skypoint blue, Element more green) Just my $0.02.

USF is a campus . . . it is supposed to have a theme or common elements in most buildings or at least regions - though not absolute by any means

Downtown is a city . . . let's get funky . . . One thing I like about Tampa, as it is, is the fact that there are some differences - though not really anything architecturally striking.

Not, really. They destroyed the architecture of Cooper Hall when they closed in the terraces, and then there is the Mass Comm building, the library, business, education, social sciences and ROTC all clustered together and looking absolutely nothing alike.

Interesting and different designs and styles is what gives each building or block it's personality. It not only diversifies the streetscape but the skyline. Now I sort of understand what this Chris guy means, or atleast have my own interpretation. I think if the towers are right next to each other and that are that close in design but not really the same could look tackey. Especially if they're different colors like the rederings suggest. (Skypoint blue, Element more green) Just my $0.02.

More along the lines of what I am trying to convey. No one wants them all to look alike, but you need to take the collective into consideration when designing and developing the project in terms of more than just does it meet the height restrictions and tolerances of Peter O Knight, etc... There needs to be a seed of continuity that binds it all together cohesively. Personally, just getting rid of the gravel parking lots will go along ways in accomplishing this in my opinion, because once upon a time those were buildings like the Tampa Terrace hotel.

The Intown group has added Element to the list of projects

http://www.intowngroup.com/projects/element.html

ELEMENT OF GROWTH

http://media.tbo.com/photos/trib/2007/jan/0103ele2.jpg

The funding has been lined up for Element,
to be built north of the SkyPoint tower along
Polk and Cass streets. It will be adjacent to
a hotel/condominium project called Twelve.

Illustration from Novare-intown Tampa Development LLC

By SHANNON BEHNKEN The Tampa Tribune

Published: Jan 3, 2007

TAMPA - One condo at a time, downtown's Franklin Street corridor is growing a skyline.

The developer of the SkyPoint high-rise, under construction on Ashley Drive, said Tuesday it has secured financing and started construction on another tower nearby.

The 34-story Element is to have 395 condo units and 15,500 square feet of retail space on the ground level. The developers would not release the tower's estimated cost.

Even as homebuyers' appetite for condos appears to wane, Greg Minder of Novare-intown Tampa Development LLC said the company sees a demand in midlevel price ranges.

Many of the condos proposed for downtown Tampa are priced from $600,000 to more than $1 million. Units in Element are expected to start in the low $200s and top out around the $600s.

"We've seen the demand with SkyPoint," Minder said. "We believe in this market."

The development partnership, Novare Group of Atlanta and intowngroup of Tampa, plans to finish the SkyPoint condo in the spring. Unitsthere started in the $170s. The tower is 99 percent sold out, the developer said.

The developers also recently announced plans to build Twelve, a 47-story condo and hotel next to the Element site.

Element and Twelve are to be built on two parcels the developers bought last year from TECO Energy, north of the SkyPoint Tower along Polk and Cass streets.

While lending institutions generally require substantial pre-sales before they will grant developers a construction loan, Minder said his company is able to get financing before selling because "we have a good track record." It's easier to sell units once financing is in place, he said, because buyers can be more confident that the development will happen.

The lenders on the Element are Corus Bank of Chicago and ArCap Finance Corp. of Irving, Texas.

At one time, more than 30 condo projects were proposed for downtown Tampa, but several developers changed their minds.

Reporter Shannon Behnken can be reached at (813) 259-7804 at sbehnken@tampatrib.com.

http://www.tbo.com/news/money/MGB85Y31HWE.html

Great news about Element and Twelve. Its certainly very hopefull in bringing down town to life.

...47 story TWELVE project?

Did I read this correctly? 47 stories?

Look out Amsouth, Venu and Trump -- we might just have a new tallest from a developer with a proven record

Watch Trump revise the design to make sure its the tallest.

^^ The project is Trump in name only. It's a dead duck -- Mirabalis owns the project. Trump will back out, and the project will fade and die.

^I agree insofar that so long as Trump's name is on the project, it still has a chance.


...47 story TWELVE project?

Did I read this correctly? 47 stories?

Look out Amsouth, Venu and Trump -- we might just have a new tallest from a developer with a proven record
It is reported that TWELVE will be 562ft tall, or 3rd tallest if it's built and nothing else is.


I'm absolutely astonished that this project got financing without a single bonafide pre-sale... And as far as the the project being "under construction"... Well, there's only one point when a project is truly under construction, and that's when the foundation is going into the ground... And that has not happened... yet. :)

^^ The project is Trump in name only. It's a dead duck -- Mirabalis owns the project. Trump will back out, and the project will fade and die.

I was using Trump figuratively, and I would not count the project dead under Mirabillis just yet. I'm also not so sure about Trump pulling out of the project all together since it was not but a few weeks ago really he was interested in buying the whole project out. My speculation still remains that they will pull something to ensure it to be the tallest tower at present.

I can't believe the height of TWELVE. How tall is the one in Atlanta? I cannot wait to see some renders of this! :banana:

Will they be putting a cam out shortly for Element since they have said they are official U/C?

I think I'm going to try to buy into Element...that is if we can sell our place in Riverview. Hopefully by closing for the Element the market will have picked up.

I can't believe the height of TWELVE. How tall is the one in Atlanta? I cannot wait to see some renders of this! :banana:

Will they be putting a cam out shortly for Element since they have said they are official U/C?

They didn't say they were officially under construction. They said they had secured funding and they can begin construction. They also stated numbers as they begin sales but groundbreaking -- the ceremony -- hasn't happened yet.

They didn't say they were officially under construction. They said they had secured funding and they can begin construction. They also stated numbers as they begin sales but groundbreaking -- the ceremony -- hasn't happened yet.
The developer of the SkyPoint high-rise, under construction on Ashley Drive, said Tuesday it has secured financing and started construction on another tower nearby.

That is U/C.

My Bad. . . edit

Smiley, Quege had already posted that article this morning...Scroll up a little.

^^ The project is Trump in name only. It's a dead duck -- Mirabalis owns the project. Trump will back out, and the project will fade and die.

John - I have to disagree with your skeptisim here. Why would Mirabalis Ventures - an equity fund that describes itself on it's website as "a conglomerate with 80 affiliate companies that generates annual revenues of more than $800 million ." invest in a project that they couldn't deliver?

source: http://www.mirabilisventures.com/home.asp

Why would Trump pull out of the project when he is getting paid royalties to use his name? Especially given the fact that he tried to buy it as reported in the Business Journal?

I am not saying that what you suggest isn't possible - it just doesn't seem logical to me that Mirabellis would outbid Trump for this project to sit on it and let it fail - when they clearly have the capital to finance it themselves.

Mirabalis doesn't have a proven track record as a developer. Trump, being part of a venture that sullies his name and reputation by not getting built, would be foolish to stay in just for potential royalties.

Look at it this way -- The Hillsborough River Tower is supposed to be the "next" office tower built downtown and the tallest one at that. It's looking for tenants. Ten years, it's been looking for tenants and "out there" in development land. To think the project is going to get built is silly. The Tower named Trump is in the same boat right now -- There are construction issues, cost issues, ownership issues.

In fact, with that review you posted about Mirabalis, I expect the property to be flipped again. They are interested in equity -- not in development.

OK, I know I am overly critical, I know that i am overly skeptical and I apologize to everyone on the forum for doing that -- but nothing being said to me to erase my doubt (or what is smoothing doubt with you guys) does that for me. Trump trying to buy the property would have saved the project (well, maybe) -- or at least the property and put something on the land. A third party doing so, without a development track record... It's just simple deduction to label things as done. Does Trump profit from someone flippign the property for their own profit with no intention to build?

Miralabis said they plan to get started -- yet my doubt will remain until they have construction crews on site, full time again.

Mirabalis doesn't have a proven track record as a developer. Trump, being part of a venture that sullies his name and reputation by not getting built, would be foolish to stay in just for potential royalties.

Look at it this way -- The Hillsborough River Tower is supposed to be the "next" office tower built downtown and the tallest one at that. It's looking for tenants. Ten years, it's been looking for tenants and "out there" in development land. To think the project is going to get built is silly. The Tower named Trump is in the same boat right now -- There are construction issues, cost issues, ownership issues.

In fact, with that review you posted about Mirabalis, I expect the property to be flipped again. They are interested in equity -- not in development.

OK, I know I am overly critical, I know that i am overly skeptical and I apologize to everyone on the forum for doing that -- but nothing being said to me to erase my doubt (or what is smoothing doubt with you guys) does that for me. Trump trying to buy the property would have saved the project (well, maybe) -- or at least the property and put something on the land. A third party doing so, without a development track record... It's just simple deduction to label things as done. Does Trump profit from someone flippign the property for their own profit with no intention to build?

Miralabis said they plan to get started -- yet my doubt will remain until they have construction crews on site, full time again.

If Mirabilis has some intention other then building a 600+ ft. residential tower on the Hillsborough River that bears Donald Trump's name then they are not saying. Please see this quote from an executive VP at Mirabillis:

"It will be a seamless transition for us stepping up to the plate," said Woody Johnson, executive VP at Mirabilis, after his company's takeover of the project in November. "It's not like we're going to stop the job. We're going to clean up the old mess, the old liens."

Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2006/11/20/daily19.html

As far as HRT - I agree with you that it is long dead - but I believe that the developer always said he would build when he preleased a certain amount of space. I take him at his word that he would have developed the building had he been successful in marketing the project. Obviously he failed to do so. I guess my point is that I have no reason to doubt Mirabillis when they say they intend to build the tower.

One more thing - You are comparing HRT - which as far as I know had zero tenants to a project that has been purportedly 80% sold.

Didnt the FAA make TTT be designed a few feet shorter,

Didnt the FAA make TTT be designed a few feet shorter,

Yes a whole 2 feet. From 593 to 591 feet, as if it makes a difference.:bash:

I'm wondering if Novare is timing the start of Element with the topping out (or completion) of Skypoint so that they won't lose any of their workers to other projects??

^Doing so cuts certain costs...

One more thing - You are comparing HRT - which as far as I know had zero tenants to a project that has been purpordedly 80% sold.

"Proportedly" in a soft real estate market like the one that exisists at the moment, both unit reservations and quotes by high level executives of companies that have yet to do anything on said project mean absolutely jack in the end. .

But I digress. We've hijacked a thread. I'd rather talk about Element, Novare and the as-of-yet-unannounced TWELVE project here.

Novare's website FINALLY has the rendering of Element that we've been seeing everywhere else recently.
www.novaregroup.com

The Element website, however, is still primarily to register for further info.
www.elementofyou.com

...47 story TWELVE project?

Did I read this correctly? 47 stories?

Look out Amsouth, Venu and Trump -- we might just have a new tallest from a developer with a proven record
The developers of the Skypoint condominium tower, under construction at Ashley Drive and Zack Street downtown, disclosed plans to build another tower one block to the north, 47 stories high, with 410 condo units and 130 high-end hotel rooms. Standing 562 feet tall, the project could be among the five tallest in the city, if built. The ground-floor plans include retail and restaurant space, plus a 5,100-square-foot ballroom and entrance to 11 floors of parking. Construction is planned to start in 2008.

562 is not a new tallest - nicely tall, but not a new tallest

^^ Exactly! If they would have said 662ft, I think our collective eyes would have popped out. :lol:

Source: http://tampabay.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2007/01/01/daily14.html

Novare-Intown begins work on second condo tower
Tampa Bay Business Journal - 11:20 AM EST Wednesday
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If there's a slowdown in the condominium market, Novare-Intown Tampa Development hasn't noticed.

With its 32-story SkyPoint project already nearing completion, the development company has begun construction on Element, a 34-story condominium tower planned for 808 North Franklin St. that will have 395 residences as well as 15,500 square feet of street-level retail space.


"Downtown is moving quickly toward what so many in Tampa, including our mayor and others have envisioned: A 24-hour environment where residents can truly live, work and play," said Greg Minder, president of Tampa-based Intowngroup, which has partnered with Atlanta-based Novare. Construction is expected to be completed by the beginning of 2009.

Construction costs were not included in a release.

SkyPoint, which will feature 380 condominium units, is expected to start welcoming its first residents in April to its rising complex on Ashley and Polk streets. That project is 99 percent under contract, Novare-Intown executives said.

Both Element and SkyPoint are said to be anchoring a planned "Arts District" neighborhood, which is part of the area that includes the new Riverfront Park (where Curtis Hixon Park currently is) a well as the property where the Tampa Museum of Art is expected to be completed by 2008.

Element will have one- and two-bedroom units beginning in the $200,000 price range. A sales center, which will be located at 507 N. Franklin St., is expected to open in early March by Smith & Associates Realtors. The structure was designed by Rule, Joy, Trammell + Rubio with Manhattan Construction Co. taking on the general contracting responsibilities. Corus Bank of Chicago is financing the project, a release said.

This one mentions everything else going on in that part of town

Source: http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070103005676&newsLang=en

January 03, 2007 09:20 AM Eastern Time
Novare-intown Announces Construction Underway on Element
34-Story Condominium Will Further Enhance Tampa’s Downtown Residential Experience


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Novare-intown Tampa Development has begun construction on Element in downtown Tampa. (Photo: Business Wire) TAMPA, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Novare-intown Tampa Development, LLC (Novare-intown) today announced that it has closed on financing and started construction on Element, a 34-story high-rise condominium community in Downtown Tampa at 808 North Franklin Street. The development will comprise 395 residences, as well as approximately 15,500 square feet of street-level retail space. The land was purchased from TECO Energy.

“Downtown is moving quickly toward what so many in Tampa, including our Mayor and others, have envisioned: a 24-hour environment where residents can truly live, work and play,” said Greg Minder, president of intowngroup, which with Atlanta-based Novare Group forms Novare-intown, Element’s joint-venture developer. “In less than 24 months, Element will bring more than 500 new residents and additional retail amenities to further enhance the vibrancy of the Arts District.”

Construction financing for Element is being provided by Corus Bank of Chicago, Illinois and ArCap Finance Corporation of Irving, Texas. This is the second development for Novare-intown, which also partnered on SkyPoint, a 380-unit high-rise community that is under construction just southwest of Element’s site at the corner of Ashley and Polk streets. SkyPoint is currently 99% under contract, with move-ins beginning in April.

“We are excited to have started another project in Downtown Tampa,” commented Jay Curran, Novare’s lead developer for the Tampa market. “The city is making great strides to establish a truly exceptional urban environment downtown, and we are pleased to be a part of its development.”

Element and SkyPoint will anchor an emerging Arts District neighborhood. The neighborhood has a long list of new and existing amenities which are in place, opening soon or in design. Plans are materializing for EDAW’s newly-designed Riverwalk, which will pass through Thomas Balsley’s grand vision for Riverfront Park (formerly Curtis Hixon Park) and a soon-to-be-redesigned Ashley Drive gateway to downtown from I-275. The park will also be home to the new Tampa Museum of Art, being designed by Stanley Saitowitz of Berkeley, California, to be completed by late 2008. New restaurants have opened in the neighborhood, including Fly and The Office (both on North Franklin Street), and Malio’s is currently under construction at Rivergate Tower. Recently completed are Residences of Franklin Street and The Arlington, both fronting Franklin Street. Retail, recreation and living opportunities are all coming to this unique urban neighborhood to complement its long-standing cultural institutions, such as the Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center, Tampa Theatre and the Tampa Museum of Art.

Element will feature one- and two-bedroom residences with contemporary design, sleek finishes and rich amenities. The residences include floor-to-ceiling glass, kitchens with high-end cabinetry, stainless-steel appliances and granite countertops, large balconies, and 10-foot ceilings. Resort-style amenities include elevated terraces with swimming pools; clubrooms for entertaining and gaming; and a club-quality fitness center. In addition, residents will enjoy a robust suite of high-tech features. Ultra-high-speed Internet access will be in every home, as well as pre-wiring for satellite television. Wi-Fi and audio entertainment will be available in the clubroom and pool areas. In the lobby will be a virtual art gallery, where flat-panel monitors will serve as a digital canvas for artwork. Prices are expected to begin in the low $200s.

The sales center, located at 507 North Franklin, will open in early March, and sales will be conducted by Smith & Associates Realtors, Inc. Element is designed by the architectural firm Rule, Joy, Trammell + Rubio. The general contractor is Manhattan Construction Company. For more information, please visit the website, www.elementofyou.com.

About intowngroup

Intowngroup is a Tampa-based real estate development team focused on creating sustainable, walkable, urban infill projects in the southeastern United States. intowngroup is currently involved in several other downtown Tampa urban infill projects. For more information, visit the intowngroup Web site at www.intowngroup.com.

About Novare Group

Novare Group is a leading developer of high-rise residential communities in urban markets, with more than 5,000 condominium units under development in Atlanta, Austin, Charlotte, Nashville and Tampa. Elevating urban living to a new standard, the Company’s high-rise communities feature contemporary designs, rich amenities, and cutting-edge high technology features at attainable price points. For more information, please visit the Company’s Web site at www.novaregroup.com.

I went by the Element site today and noticed vertical machines for pounding cassions and a few stakes and maybe a pipe or two in the ground. Couldn't get a pic as it was already dark.

As of wednesday, i'm pretty sure that it's still the same rigs that have been out there getting soil samples.

i am by there at least twice a day. same for the last week. they have been digging trenches and moving dirt around. I have not seen any caisson work or piles being driven.

stuning tower

I wouldn't sweat this project for a moment. All of us here will watch this tower rise from the ground in no time. I just wish that I could say the same about other projects under consideration here in Tampa.

If you have a moment, check out Maxim98's recent photos found in the "Tampa Photos" thread. If you can picture the Element tower in the second and third shot you can't help but notice that it will be a nice addition to our skyline (although from that vantage point it will block a good portion of the "Verizon" tower). :)

Now bring on the Venu and Tampa Tower projects! :cheers:

is element taller than skypoint? it appears from their pix that they are pretty similar looking. what are the major differences between the two? you'd think they want to differentiate them more but I guess it's alot cheaper and easier for them if they're similar. also, if the people who bought their skypoint condo for 170k in 2003, what do you think the resale price of those will be when they're done in a few months? I'd guess people will try to sell them for 250k but if that's the case it'd be more wise,from an investment standpoint, to buy an element that starts out "low 200s" ...thoughts?

is element taller than skypoint? it appears from their pix that they are pretty similar looking. what are the major differences between the two? you'd think they want to differentiate them more but I guess it's alot cheaper and easier for them if they're similar. also, if the people who bought their skypoint condo for 170k in 2003, what do you think the resale price of those will be when they're done in a few months? I'd guess people will try to sell them for 250k but if that's the case it'd be more wise,from an investment standpoint, to buy an element that starts out "low 200s" ...thoughts?
There isn't much different between the 2. The only difference is the glass, spire and height. Skypoint is 32 and Element is 34 stories. Both are being built by Novare Group and if you check their website, you can notice that some other projects from them aren't that different from Skypoint and Element.

From the rendering, the tower portion of Element seems to be more oval shaped;not a box like skypoint.

Received this info from the Novare Group.

Consider this a sneak peek party for Element.

Complimentary Valet and Open Bar

Fly Bar and Restaurant
1202 N. Franklin Street at Royal
January 25, 2007
6pm to 8pm

:cheers:

OPEN BAR, I am there

Fly is going to benefit so much from these condo's going up in the Arts district, I can only imagine how many people are salavating at what Franklin street might become within 2 years or so..

If that was the case, I would think there would be heavier investment in the Kress building as well as other retail near Skypoint/Element/TWELVE's footprint.

I put up the Tampa Retail thread a few months back specifically to hear about what was going on... If no one has bought in yet on already existing properties, they are really dropping the ball.

The key to Franklin Street is the Kress and Floridian projects. Unfortunately, Franklin will never have all of the historic scrapers like it once did but I agree that it will still become a nice corridor. Fly is a very nice addition and is something I'd like to see at the bottom of Kress, with maybe a department store and residences on top.

There is no investment in the Kress building because Doran Jason does not appear to be foreward thinking and/or have deep pockets. If they were/did, they would not have let Novare steal their market from under their feet.

Fly is going to benefit so much from these condo's going up in the Arts district, I can only imagine how many people are salavating at what Franklin street might become within 2 years or so..
think more like 4-6 years, and you're getting warm. :)

Fly is going to benefit so much from these condo's going up in the Arts district, I can only imagine how many people are salavating at what Franklin street might become within 2 years or so..
think more like 4-6 years, and you're getting warm. :)


if things go well, in 2-3 years the retailers will come clamoring.

I can not wait to see what is built in four to six years.

well unfortunately, you're going to have to. that's how time works... :)

well unfortunately, you're going to have to. that's how time works... :)

Not if you have a time machine. Ever see Napoleon Dynamite?

Not if you have a time machine. Ever see Napoleon Dynamite?

No but I know Dr. Emmit Brown. He's a good friend of mine...

Great Scott, this is heavy...

I saw an add for Element in the TBT last night. I thought it was cool because they had a silhouette of a woman drapped in the image. It was almost like Element was a part of her. I wish that I had brought the paper home, but I was on the bus and someone else wanted to read it so I gave it up.

Well, it's free and it's a weekend edition. Not impossible to get another copy.

Jesus your relentless. I was simply making a comment that I had seen an ad for Element and the rest was dribble, but you do not have to make a comment like that.

If you recieved an email from Novare group for the Element sneak peek, I believe tampamob is talking about that girl. Don't know if someone can show the invitation since I don't know how

NPR, why was that link to an expired email session? What were you trying to show?

NPR, why was that link to an expired email session? What were you trying to show?
I was trying to show the email from the Novare group with the invitation, but I guess I couldn't

Copy the email and then paste it on here.

Jesus your relentless. I was simply making a comment that I had seen an ad for Element and the rest was dribble, but you do not have to make a comment like that.

Damn, mobster... no need to be so hypersensitive. :) Trust me, John can be ahelluva lot harder on ur ass then that... :lol:

no harm; no foul. . . :cheers:

I can't wait to see Element rise upwards! I'm sure you'll agree it's gonna be a great addition to our skyline.

b.t.w. I dribble a lot. That's why I always wear a bib... hehe

It's great to see a developer that can go vertical on time rather than a few years from now. I still feel optimistic about other projects that are in planning stage right now. If we get the residents to live here first, then more retail, more restaurants, more office spaces, etc... will follow.

Here's the pic:

http://www.condoleaf.com/users/up/element-rsvp_1.jpg

Damn, mobster... no need to be so Trust me, John can be ahelluva lot harder on ur ass then that... :lol:



After the "Filling in the Spaces" thread, I will never look at these posts in the same way. :lol:

What do you mean by that Maxim98?

Jesus your relentless. I was simply making a comment that I had seen an ad for Element and the rest was dribble, but you do not have to make a comment like that.

And no one asked you to make a comment at all -- why bring up the advertisement, and the entire story about giving the newspaper away when you could have just kept your mouth shut?

You saw the advertisement -- fine. You present the story of "Oh, had it, gave it away. Whoopsie" comes off like woulda-coulda-shoulda,.

chill out people...

the topic is Element.

Went by today and hey were working on caissons - rather a caisson - I am not sure if it is a caisson test of some sort or that they are cranking along

Very cool. :cheers:

Elemnet has added a pretty cool intro to their website.

I love the intro. It seems very classy.

For those of you that didn't make it to the Element event last night, here is some of the information they had. It wasn't an overwhelming amount of data, but there was a nice high-res rendering that was interesting. I also took a photo of the model they had that features SkyPoint and Element, sorry about the quality--it was dark and well it's a camera phone.

Element features:

Controlled thumbprint scan identity technology recognizes you up entry and allows: State-of-the-art keyless biometrics controlled access + Personal concierge or property management messages on in-elevator information screen.

Flat panel screens in the lobby, cabanas, elevator lobbies and club room.

Ultra high-speed internet--dramatically faster than anything you've experienced with DSL or cable services.

Wireless internet connectivity at the amenity deck and all the other common areas--work and play wherever you like!

iPod docking station--simply place your iPod in the docking station and fill your living room, bedroom and bathroom with your own surround-sound music (limited time upgrade option).

Transponder access to parking deck eliminates the need to roll down the window, find access cards or remember parking codes.

http://www.jongales.com/pics/skypoint-element-model.jpg

Awesome. Thanks for the update Jon.

I second that, cwat. Thank you, Jon!

Something I noticed in the model (which looks cool, b.t.w.) is that Element looks shorter than Skypoint. Maybe it's the angle of the pic, but I thought that Skypoint was around 400ft. and Element was supposed to be around 460ft. I know it's just a model and probably not to scale, but this is the second 3D that I've seen of both projects where Skypoint appears to be taller than Element.

It's my o.c.d. and curiousity (I guess) that makes me wonder. :)

Something I noticed in the model (which looks cool, b.t.w.) is that Element looks shorter than Skypoint.

Hmm, interesting. I didn't bend down to see which was actually taller. It's probably just the funky angle.

I like the overall greeness of Element compared to the blue of Skypoint. It really helps add some varitey to the skyline and streetscape.

It's def. the angle in part, Q, and the perspective. Element is taller in that image but it's not severely taller.

I wonder if the people looking at the model realize that the Sam Gibbons courthouse looks like it's modelled about 80-100 feet too short?

I wonder if the people looking at the model realize that the Sam Gibbons courthouse looks like it's modelled about 80-100 feet too short?

I just looked... and that instantly set up a red flag. The model is useless - we already knew where the site was, and everything else seems out of proportion.

The only helpful as pect is to see confirm it is east west rather than north-south in orientation

It wasn't the most high-end model, from looking at it in person it seemed only SkyPoint and Element were to scale. It looked pretty thrown together. Definitely not one of the $100,000 ones (http://www.sptimes.com/2007/01/17/news_pf/State/A_miniature_boom_for_.shtml) the Times has been talking up.

Seeing that model makes me really start to wonder about the massing. Especially if they fill in the third block- all those long skinny towers set in the middle of the block. It's going to look a little strange compared to the other skyscrapers downtown, most of which are full block or at least hit the street level on adjacent sides. It's going to look even stranger if that one on the Maas Brothers site gets built.

I hope on the Twelve project they'll move the tower towards the edge of the block, maybe give it more of an asymmetrical look, and run condos right down the side to the street level.

For those of you that didn't make it to the Element event last night, here is some of the information they had. It wasn't an overwhelming amount of data, but there was a nice high-res rendering that was interesting. I also took a photo of the model they had that features SkyPoint and Element, sorry about the quality--it was dark and well it's a camera phone.

Element features:

Controlled thumbprint scan identity technology recognizes you up entry and allows: State-of-the-art keyless biometrics controlled access + Personal concierge or property management messages on in-elevator information screen.

Flat panel screens in the lobby, cabanas, elevator lobbies and club room.

Ultra high-speed internet--dramatically faster than anything you've experienced with DSL or cable services.

Wireless internet connectivity at the amenity deck and all the other common areas--work and play wherever you like!

iPod docking station--simply place your iPod in the docking station and fill your living room, bedroom and bathroom with your own surround-sound music (limited time upgrade option).

Transponder access to parking deck eliminates the need to roll down the window, find access cards or remember parking codes.

http://www.jongales.com/pics/skypoint-element-model.jpg

These are some real nice features. Especially like the thumb scanner, transponder and Ultra speed WI-FI...seems like their bringing the right tools to DT as Im sure others will follow and also improve upon to keep their projects up to date and actually gain advantages , so Im sure things will get interesting once some of these towers actually are up and running.

Seeing that model makes me really start to wonder about the massing. Especially if they fill in the third block- all those long skinny towers set in the middle of the block. It's going to look a little strange compared to the other skyscrapers downtown, most of which are full block or at least hit the street level on adjacent sides. It's going to look even stranger if that one on the Maas Brothers site gets built.

I hope on the Twelve project they'll move the tower towards the edge of the block, maybe give it more of an asymmetrical look, and run condos right down the side to the street level.

Most of the TWELVE projects, if not all, Novare has done are much wider due to the fact that it's a different product. I'm pretty sure the TWELVE project will distort the massing problem and I hope it does fill the whole block.:)

I hope it (Twelve) ends up looking modern or a little futuristic. Not anything too off the wall, but something that we have not seen before.

I also had attended the Element party last week. Funny about the comments relative to the cell phone pic taken by Jonknee. Believe me, it's definitely the camera angle that makes the Skypoint look as tall as Element. I knew that Element would be 34 stories while Skypoint was 32, but when I squatted and compared the heights of the models, it looked like the new tower had Skypoint by about 4 floors! I'll blushingly admit that since I'm moving to the 32nd floor of Skypoint, my ego has a little trouble handling the "smaller building complex". LOL

I'm also a little envious of some of the Element features such as thumbprint ID, ultra high speed internet, etc. I guess moving to a new condo is like getting a computer......there'll always be a newer, more modern, feature-filled model being developed while you're making your purchase! At least I'll be looking at the narrow end of the building vs. the broadside.

I wouldn't be worried about the smaller building syndrome... As I'm sure you already know, the views from Skypoint have a better chance of lasting longterm, compared to Element's (just with what already exists or is proposed, Element will likely be surrounded by other highrises within 10 years, tops). Especially if you happen to have one of the Skypoint units on the westernmost end.

Thanks for the encouragement, Jasonhouse! I'm actually on the southeast corner, so pending what they might do with the bank building across the street (Novare owns as well, don't they?) or what the developers of 610 Franklin might do, I'm hopeful that the view stays relatively open. I was most eager to have a downtown panoramic view, but being able to see the river and the bay were positive as well. When they gave me the call, I don't even think the western view(s) was available on 32. I keep trying to tell myself that the west side of the building will be getting quite toasty in the late afternoon anyway..... :o)

RealEstateRalph - are you moving into one of the penthouses in skypoint?

RER -- yeah, Novare/Intown has rights to the bank across the street from Skypoint to the south. It was mentioned in the article the St. Pete Times ran about Skypoint and the re-development of Downtown Tampa sometime last year.

I personally love Novare and what they are doing in the southeast and especially Tampa.. Kudo's to them.. cranes-cranes-and more cranes..

RealEstateRalph - are you moving into one of the penthouses in skypoint?

Jahdish, the two penthouses are on the west side of the building, and I'm on the east side (#3212). I jokingly refer to my pending residence as one of the penthouses, but it really isn't. The view should still be pretty good, though. I believe that one of the PH's is still available for purchase (asking about $1.1 I think).

My patio will have a front row seat for the Element construction, so that should be very cool. As stated in my initial post, the viewing of the construction will be all well and good until I'm looking up at the Element's 34th floor. That's when the "smaller building complex" will kick in....

:)

Are they going to put a camera on element like they did skypoint. at this stage is the construction skypoint's camera was up and running

yeah, T2... It's going to have a camera.But between the web site (www.elementofyou.com ) and the actual construction -- they're not ready for it yet.

Man, Greg Minder was at the TMoA forum I went to last night, but he ducked out before it was over, so I never got a chance to yap with him.

Man, Greg Minder was at the TMoA forum I went to last night, but he ducked out before it was over, so I never got a chance to yap with him.
That's right, Novare's Skypoint and Element and Possibly TWELVE will be across from the Museum. I wonder if they have any plans to do anything together.

Scratch that.

I wonder if TWELVE will influence the the design of the new museum.
I don't think so. Maybe you'll give everyone a discount to the museum, but if the final design is coming out before even the news of Twelve is happening then I don't think there will be any influence from TWELVE

That's right, Novare's Skypoint and Element and Possibly TWELVE will be across from the Museum. I wonder if they have any plans to do anything together.
He also serves in some official position within the museum's leadership team. I don't recall what exactly though.