Project: THE LAWNS I, II and III
Floor Count: 5
Numer of buildings: 3
Type: Res
Status: Approved
Construction Start: ?
Construction End: July 2008
Developers - Dheeraj and East Coast LLC

there is a location...its in the circle bit...will put up a better map tom..having issues with the map
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I:
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II:
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III:
http://i12.************/35a7hhc.jpg

another one from eqarat.
http://www.eqarat.com/j2ee/examples/jsp/english/Eqarat/flashnews/lawns/thelawns.htm


OVERVIEW

The Lawns – II embodies eloquently landscaped surroundings allowing for practical everyday lifestyles. It encapsulates a unique combination of designer chic and the warmth of community living in the City of Dreams.

Dynamic living is a prominent feature of The Lawns – II experience. Residents will enjoy a unique blend of relaxation, excitement and convenience through the many amenities on offer, whether it be food courts, schools, hypermarkets, branded boutiques, health clubs or access to water sports among others.

tHE ELEMENTS

Lawns - II

Landscaped Lawns
State-of-the-art Health Club with Gym
Outdoor Swimming Pool, Children’s Wading Pool and Jacuzzi
Exclusive Jogging Track
Communal Barbecue and Outdoor Pool Amenities
Spacious Marble – tiled Lobby and Reception area
Card Controlled Property Access and door entry system
24-hour Mobile Security and Maintenance Service
Fire Fighting System and Emergency Generators
Covered Parking for Tenants and Visitors


PRICES

Prices starting from
Studio AED 242,650/-
1 BR AED 486,115/-
2 BR AED 780,045/-
3 BR AED 882,525/-


PAYMENT tERMS
10% on Booking

8% 1st Nov 2006

15% 1st Jan 2007

15% 1st April 2007

15% 1st August 2007

15% 1st November 2007

12% 1st February 2008

10% On Completion.

Service Charge AED 6ft²

Expected Completion : July '08


R

some one pls change the title

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com

R

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4336/resdgq0.jpg

OVERVIEW:
A stunning development offering studio, one and two bedroom apartments including spacious interiors and large balconies.

FEATURES:

Luxury Amenities include:
- Swimming pool, gym, steam room and sauna
- Basement parking, with one space for each studio/ 1 bed and 2 bed apartments.

At Jumeirah Village South, all residents will experience a lifestyle of utmost luxury and piece of mind with
the number of medical facilities, town and country clubs, jogging and cycling trails as well as the two
international schools within the vicinity.

* Town and country clubs
* Medical facilities
* Walking, jogging & cycling trails
* Oasis promenades
* Neighborhood parks
* Veterinary clinics
* Car parking for every apartment
* Retail store
* 2 elevators & two emergency staircases
* Football and cricket pitch
* Tennis courts, croquet lawn
* Two international schools
* State-of-the-art health club & swimming pool

i think that is the lawns II...check the other thread and eqarat.com

R

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8275/untitledos3.png

what about lawns 4 and 5??

didnt know there were 4 and 5...do u havea link that shows that...or a pic or something?

R

the same link you posted above......

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/

click on jum village south and lawns 4 and 5 listed, but not much info, looks like not updated......is there any construction so far with lawns 1-3??

So there is a 4 and 5. Here is a pic of the lawns IV and V...change the title pls!

http://i2.************/4zn2xjn.jpg

R

Estimated completion date has already slipped to summer '09, I hear!

What I want to know is will they continue releasing Lawns 6,7,8.....100 etc without any of the actual initial buildings (lawns 1,2,3 and 4) getting built.......is summer 09 for lawns 1?

^^ Funny that, But very true.
Not so Funny when it's costing us.:ohno:
I would like to see something on this tread reading as "under construction"

Why are developers always releasing new building after new buildings?
In Marina, one developer DS, has 3 different developments going.
68 (or so) floors on “Torch”….. and adding +1 = 69…..+1 = 70.
DS…is in no hurry to build anything. (Just accumulating money)

Completion date? What about the start dates???

^^^^ In fact they are foucing at DUBAI MARINA PROJECTS but definitly they will come soo quickley to ALL OF 5 LAWNS ...

From what i know lawns1-2 at Ground work ...

developer DEC giving life to youre dream




:D

It's good to know Lawns 1-2 are at ground work at least!.....I wonder when work will start work on Lawns 3......

It would be nice to see some pictures of the construction site.

To the best of my knowledge, no work has started on any of the Lawns project (I till V) yet. The work on Lawns I, II and probably III will start around July-Aug and complete around Mar-May 2009 is the understanding given to me (as there are only GRD plus 4, the projects will tale much lesser time to build.....In any case, most JV projects have been delayed to 2009..right now it's a ghost town.

^^^^ In fact they are foucing at DUBAI MARINA PROJECTS but definitly they will come soo quickley to ALL OF 5 LAWNS ...

From what i know lawns1-2 at Ground work ...

developer DEC giving life to youre dream




:D

Bizzy why do you believe Lawns 1-2 are at ground work?? Please clarify...:ohno:

hii you doing baba toto ... :D

SEE LAST REPLAY FROM JULITO ABOUT THE JV AT GENERAL THREAD

the area seams to pick up some speed. There are now several dozen building sites above ground and many more are in the process of piling and shoring. The highest buildings have already reached heights of 10 Floors! The site is nevertheless very inacessable and therefore i didn't get a close look.

that's reason behind there is no clarify till now...

in other hand , developer office confirm me about advance work at lawn 1 ,2 ...

in other hand , developer office confirm me about advance work at lawn 1 ,2 ...

Thanks for the reply Bizzy

How can we check if this is true. Does anybody know if the developer can provide any pictures??

Does anybody have any updates on this project????????????????

Bizzy are u there?....Anybody????

The Lawns II location clashes with Fortunato (which is already being built)

The Lawns II location clashes with Fortunato (which is already being built)

Does anybody know what the developer is has said about the location and if they will revise it??

http://www.futurehomesdubai.com/Project_Images/UAE/dubai/JUMEIRAH%20VILLAGE%20SOUTH/LAWNS%20V/location.jpg

http://www.futurehomesdubai.com/Project_Images/UAE/dubai/JUMEIRAH%20VILLAGE%20SOUTH/LAWNS%20V/location.jpg

Does anybody know if the developer has started work on any Lawns project?

No...they didnt start on Lawns,,,As went to see them last week. And they said construction not started yet coz Nakheel didnt allow them yet and when Nakheel will complete its villas then they will allow us to start construction.So dont know whether they said right or just bla bla bla.
Anyfeedback from anyone welcome.

No...they didnt start on Lawns,,,As went to see them last week. And they said construction not started yet coz Nakheel didnt allow them yet and when Nakheel will complete its villas then they will allow us to start construction.So dont know whether they said right or just bla bla bla.
Anyfeedback from anyone welcome.

Can the developer produce any correspondence to support this claim? Franky they have had investors' money for a long time (since 2006 in my case) and still nothing to show for it....:ohno:

Would they consider transferring that deposit towards another project e.g. (business Bay) where they may have started work, at the same price paid originally?:bash:

No i think they cant use the deposit to anyother project.As Escrow account has opened and all deposit is transfered there. But i m not satisfied with their response of delay as many other developers have started construction there and why Nakheel allowed them and not Lawns developer. Anyhow lets see when they will start as they seem good developer so far and their 20 projects are in line up.

Can anyone tell whats the price nowadays in JV?

No i think they cant use the deposit to anyother project.As Escrow account has opened and all deposit is transfered there. But i m not satisfied with their response of delay as many other developers have started construction there and why Nakheel allowed them and not Lawns developer. Anyhow lets see when they will start as they seem good developer so far and their 20 projects are in line up.

Can anyone tell whats the price nowadays in JV?

around 1000 psf

No...they didnt start on Lawns,,,As went to see them last week. And they said construction not started yet coz Nakheel didnt allow them yet and when Nakheel will complete its villas then they will allow us to start construction.So dont know whether they said right or just bla bla bla.
Anyfeedback from anyone welcome.

Maybe but how come other developers are building whilst this developer claims they have not received permission to build..............I phoned them earlier this year and was led to believe that Nakheel had "handed over the plot and that they had people on site"...........

If they want to concentrate in other areas at the moment then why don't they just say so, instead of making conflicting statements that make investors very nervous?.......:goodnight

I wonder, what are my options?

They said everything is ready at our end,,,as soon as get permission will start 1,2 3 together,,,,,upon asking something wrong they assure we have 20 projects in line up we cant afford to mes up with investors,,,and they have escrow account opened,,,so all money is transfered there,,,and they r still selling 2 other projects in JV,,,,so i hope everything is ok,,,its good if delay a bit as nothing is there,,,as ALFARRA completing their project this december,,,but it wont be liveable place as sand mountains everywhere,,,,u cant rent it out in this situation and u cant live in by urself,,,so some delay is in our favor,,,but not long delay,,,

around 1000 psf

that's it?!

I paid 50% in November 2006 but to date I have not had a contract and the developer has not started any work and I am getting concerned about the delay. Is it a common problem in Jumeirah Village?

I am thinking of reporting this matter to RERA. What are my options and which is the best course?:ohno:

All projects r delayed in JV,,,with few exceptions,,,i have contract since beginning,,,As RERA wont do anything regarding delay,,,
Better u ask the developer the reason of delay,,,As its considered normal delay from 6 month to one year.

All projects r delayed in JV,,,with few exceptions,,,i have contract since beginning,,,As RERA wont do anything regarding delay,,,
Better u ask the developer the reason of delay,,,As its considered normal delay from 6 month to one year.

What is the contact you have? All I received is a letter from the developer to confirm location, price, cancellation option..

I have contract about more than 50 pages ,,,all location,,price,,,laws of dubai,,,payment schedule,,,,etc etc,,,they give me contract when i Paid 15% in beginning,,,and i sign contract in developer office.

Construction Updates for I , II , III ,IV ,V



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More Pics

http://dheerajeastcoast.com/content/developmentstatus.aspx

Construction Updates for I , II , III ,IV ,V

More Pics

http://dheerajeastcoast.com/content/developmentstatus.aspx

Bizzy........You're a star!!!:banana:

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I look at the developer's website...There are no updates / photos for Lawns III.

Anyone know why not??:ohno:

[QUOTE=baba toto;26919274]

I look at the developer's website...There are no updates / photos for Lawns III.

Anyone know why not??:ohno:

i think because lawns III is located in jumeirah village triangle not in jvs .

[QUOTE=baba toto;26919484]

i think because lawns III is located in jumeirah village triangle not in jvs .

What's the difference between the Triangle & the Circle? When will they start work in the triangle?

[QUOTE=porshe911;27074702]

What's the difference between the Triangle & the Circle? When will they start work in the triangle?

soon:dj:

[QUOTE=baba toto;27079848]

soon:dj:

Dude, if you look at the Jumeirah Village newsletter, you get the impression that Triangle is a year ahead from Circle in terms of infrastructure, etc....

But the truth seems to be the opposite!!!:bash:......How come??

baba toto , but the good news the price jump to 1300 /psqf :)

baba toto , but the good news the price jump to 1300 /psqf :)

Is that for both, Triangle & Circle?

Is that for both, Triangle & Circle?

both

Any idea how much retail units will be?

I might be willing to sell my studios does anybody have an idea of how much they go for?

It depends on the size, and number of rooms

^^^^studios at 540 SQ ft

^^^^studios at 540 SQ ft

start from 526500 - to 688500 uae dirhams . 975 -to 1275 sqf

start from 526500 - to 688500 uae dirhams . 975 -to 1275 sqf

Are these launch prices or current market prices?

[QUOTE=baba toto;26919484]

i think because lawns III is located in jumeirah village triangle not in jvs .

Anybody know when the developer is planning to start on Lawns III in JV Triangle??

I noticed a section in the contract regarding the developers option to default on the project, and return buyer's money if still not finished after 1 year of planned completion date. :baeh3:
Does anyone know if DEC has ever done this in the past ?

[QUOTE=porshe911;27074702]

Anybody know when the developer is planning to start on Lawns III in JV Triangle??

Anybody??:bash:

[QUOTE=baba toto;27666672]

Anybody??:bash:

hi , i e- mail them they said "As per your email, would like to inform you that the Fencing is done and the Signboard work is in process .

We are awaiting few approvals, as soon as we get these approvals we shall start with the Shoring and Piling"

[QUOTE=baba toto;28487914]

hi , i e- mail them they said "As per your email, would like to inform you that the Fencing is done and the Signboard work is in process .

We are awaiting few approvals, as soon as we get these approvals we shall start with the Shoring and Piling"

I wonder how long approvals could take (......the project was launched years ago)

[QUOTE=porshe911;28598106]

I wonder how long approvals could take (......the project was launched years ago)
I wouldn't hold your breathe guys, 2 years to put fencing up, construction could take 20 years on that account!

Seriously though, I keep telling everyone to get out of Dubai (and JVS in particular) asap. All developments in JVS Circle are slow or no progress (with some exceptions i.e. Al Fara) - that too me implies that the govt or master developer (Nakheel) is intentionally delaying things on the whole of JVS for one reason or another.

Quit whilst you're ahead, get your money back and stop those sleepless nights - I did (different project in JVS) and despite the financial loss, I'm much better knowing the money is safe in the bank. Wait longer and you'll find more obstacles like new dubai laws going against investors.

[QUOTE=baba toto;28613712]
I wouldn't hold your breathe guys, 2 years to put fencing up, construction could take 20 years on that account!

Seriously though, I keep telling everyone to get out of Dubai (and JVS in particular) asap. All developments in JVS Circle are slow or no progress (with some exceptions i.e. Al Fara) - that too me implies that the govt or master developer (Nakheel) is intentionally delaying things on the whole of JVS for one reason or another.

Quit whilst you're ahead, get your money back and stop those sleepless nights - I did (different project in JVS) and despite the financial loss, I'm much better knowing the money is safe in the bank. Wait longer and you'll find more obstacles like new dubai laws going against investors.
i agree with you

[QUOTE=Masood;28617492]
i agree with you

Me too....

:bash:Does anyone have any update on any Lawns project???:bash:

:bash:Does anyone have any update on any Lawns project???:bash:

Has foundation work started an any Lawns project??? :dunno:

Has foundation work started an any Lawns project??? :dunno:

baba toto.. i bought property in lans 3 (4 studios) do you think it s good time
to selling ?..

baba toto.. i bought property in lans 3 (4 studios) do you think it s good time
to selling ?..

I would test the waters with a target price, now or sometime next year......or wait to sell on completion. New launch prices have jumped from about AED 675/sq ft two years ago to about 1200/sq ft now.......But are people are actually buying at the new prices at the moment?? Note if the buyer is taking a loan, banks lend on the original price excluding the premium.....

[QUOTE=baba toto;28487914]

hi , i e- mail them they said "As per your email, would like to inform you that the Fencing is done and the Signboard work is in process .

We are awaiting few approvals, as soon as we get these approvals we shall start with the Shoring and Piling"

Does anyone have an update on this?

[QUOTE=porshe911;28598106]

Does anyone have an update on this?

Anyone???
:badnews:

I am thinking of asking for a refund of deposit....It has been two years since I invested and nothing to show for it to date.....What do you think?

Will this project ever move????:bash:

^^ only a board !

Lawns 4

http://dheerajeastcoast.com/images/consupdate/lawns4_20090109.jpg

Lawns 3

http://dheerajeastcoast.com/images/consupdate/lawns3_20090109.jpg

Lawns 5

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/images/consupdate/lawns5_20090120.jpg

http://dheerajeastcoast.com/content/developmentstatus.aspx

How come they have not put their name on the board i.e. DEC (Dheeraj & East Coast)??

Instead the name shown is Minas General Trading Est...Who are they????:bash:

Baba Toto, I had asked this question to them some time back when i saw this info on the RERA site. It seems that DEC had purchased the land on Minas General trading name then - for administrative reasons.

Reading through many of the other site construction updates, it does seem that people who have bought in Lawns do not seem to be unduly worried that the developer has not started anything for the last 1 year (except putting some boards) - the units were to be delivered 3-4 months back - and even today there is nothing done.

Isn't it time that we all start speaking collectively to the developer instead of individually?

I agree with you. The sooner they start construction, the earlier we can look towards completion, receive handover, live in, rent out, or sell the property!!....Though the area and location will remain a building site for years.....and could be difficult to rent out or to sell on.....

Nab, I agree with you.
I just got of the phone with an agent in the DEC office, and he promised that they have started construction this week. Even though I lied and told him I just passed by the site, and nothing is there except a signboard, he was adamant that the construction crew is on site and working. Because I am not in Dubai, I cannot verify this personaly.
Last month, when I requested my contract cancelled and my money returned (1st installment only), they refused, saying if I cancelled, I would forfeit my money ?!?!
So what can we do as a group ?
Is there anything that can be done, except go along with them until they give up, cancel the project and return our money at the end of 2010.

WIssam, I am in Dubai this weekend...intend to take a look at the construction on site. can confirm whether there are any guys on the site (or atleast some machinery)...But they have been giving me this story for the last 2 months - so am not really sure (though i hope i am wrong)

Bizzy, I was reading the DEC towers thread and understood the following (from yours and the other contributions) -

1. The communication from DEC is generally poor - and though seem to be good developers (better than most of the fly-by-night operators), they always over promise and under deliver

2. The DEC towers site took a long time to start and the handover process was handled extremely unprofessionally too - with a lot of investors getting enough nightmares

3. The interior fittings are of poor quality (as mentioned by some guys) and some promised stuff was never provided

As you must have met them (or probably communicated a lot), request your opinion on the developer and an overall feel about the Lawns construction dates...

I intend speaking to some responsible & higher positions there and wanted to know if any contacts are available. Plan to take a look at the DEC towers too...Hope you would be able to help.

NAB: Please check out Lawns III site if you can...(In JV Triangle)

http://dheerajeastcoast.com/images/consupdate/lawns1_20090207_1.jpg

Had a look at the site on Thursday.

Access to JVS is pretty limited and had to look at all JVS lawns site from a distance.

Very strangely, there was some construction equipment (probably for piling & shoring) at Lawns IV and V - could not really go near to make out the amount of work being done. Did not see any movement at the other lawns site (Sorry Baba toto, did not go to lawns 3 - it's in the triangle - did not see ur reply before).

Spoke to DEC personnel later (not the top guys though) without mentioning my visit. They confirmed to me that initial work has started on Lawns IV and V - He seemed confident (aren't they always!!) that work will be finished by December 2009 and handover will start first quarter 2010. He also mentioned that work will happen parallel on all Lawns - considering the crunch, that point is debatable.

Their excuse still remains of Nakheel handing over the plots very late around August / september 2008 - though the delay since then was not explained..He did mention about preliminary groundwork (probably like the soil testing, etc which Bizzy has sent) taking some time after handover of plots.

I will be visiting the place again after a month - so will remember to check on Lawns III also, baba.

Bizzy, thanks for the doc which u have put up..What is your estimate of the lawns being handed over - you have had previous experience in their handling of projects....

all plots are anticipated to be handed over by Q2 2010 . " According to JV Website "

http://www.jumeirahvillage.com

On another note, Nakheel also mentions that 70% of the services for JVS is done. If they delay providing the services (due to credit crunch) in JVS till first or second quarter of 2010, it would have a disastrous impact on completed properties.

Some projects like Le Grand Chateau (very few) are almost finished but would still require regular electricity, water, phone and sewage facilities - even the heavily advertised district cooling is still not done - so no air conditioning too...or could result in heavy maintenance charges due to most things being done by the developer (with the new RERA rule, developers will have to take the brunt - this could lead them to postpone construction completion till all master developer provided services are completed).

Ironically, the "on-time" developers will suffer along with their inivestors...

As baba said, handover of the appartments is one thing, staying or renting or selling is another....DSC / motor city seem to be quite ahead in terms of the infrastructure...

Lawns IV and V as per DEC website (what i assumed when i was on site was right)

just providing the link as i do not have the rights to post attachments on this thread....

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/content/cudetail.aspx?CUID=64

C/U 16/2/09 ---- The Lawns - IV


http://dheerajeastcoast.com/content/construction.aspx?pid=19#

C/U 16/2/09 ---- The Lawns - II


http://dheerajeastcoast.com/content/construction.aspx?pid=17#

Construction Update 26/02/09--The Lawns - II

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/content/construction.aspx?pid=17#

UPDATES: What about Lawns III (in JV Triangle)??

Had a look at the site on Thursday.

Access to JVS is pretty limited and had to look at all JVS lawns site from a distance.

Very strangely, there was some construction equipment (probably for piling & shoring) at Lawns IV and V - could not really go near to make out the amount of work being done. Did not see any movement at the other lawns site (Sorry Baba toto, did not go to lawns 3 - it's in the triangle - did not see ur reply before).

Spoke to DEC personnel later (not the top guys though) without mentioning my visit. They confirmed to me that initial work has started on Lawns IV and V - He seemed confident (aren't they always!!) that work will be finished by December 2009 and handover will start first quarter 2010. He also mentioned that work will happen parallel on all Lawns - considering the crunch, that point is debatable.

Their excuse still remains of Nakheel handing over the plots very late around August / september 2008 - though the delay since then was not explained..He did mention about preliminary groundwork (probably like the soil testing, etc which Bizzy has sent) taking some time after handover of plots.

I will be visiting the place again after a month - so will remember to check on Lawns III also, baba.

Bizzy, thanks for the doc which u have put up..What is your estimate of the lawns being handed over - you have had previous experience in their handling of projects....


Thanks Nab - would really appreciate it if you can go to Lawns III site.....

Does anyone know if DEC has started construction on Lawns III !! I bought in 2006 and to date, all I can see is a sign board on the DEC website. WHY have they not started construction?????!!!

I got a letter from DEC informing me that the Anticipated Completion Date for the project has been rescheduled to 30/9/2010.

I purchased the unit in 2006 by paying 50% in advance and 50% payable on completion. :) However in their letter, DEC has revised my payment terms, with payment now due in July 09, Nov '09, March '10, June '10, final one on completion.:bash:

Is this a joke or what? How can they do this?:bash:

Has anyone else received a letter???:ohno:

I got a letter from DEC informing me that the Anticipated Completion Date for the project has been rescheduled to 30/9/2010.

I purchased the unit in 2006 by paying 50% in advance and 50% payable on completion. :) However in their letter, DEC has revised my payment terms, with payment now due in July 09, Nov '09, March '10, June '10, final one on completion.:bash:

Is this a joke or what? How can they do this?:bash:

Has anyone else received a letter???:ohno:

i have paid all the payment except the last one due on completion day.
have you asked for refund ?

Baba Toto, i will be going to the site next week so will check Lawns III also. Though i have not got any such letter yet, the least what can be said is most of (if not all) the Lawns constructions have just about started, so the completion date cannot be before mid 2010 anyways. (With this letter, DEC - though stating the obvious - can use it as legal paper tomorrow).

I am not sure what we can do in case we do not agree to an extension - can we ask for a refund without deducting any charges as the developor has delayed? Can u get a more favorable payment term in case interested to hold on to the property? If anyone in this forum has any idea, would be great if it can be shared.


BTW, my Sale agreement states the completion date as third quarter of 2009 - plus provides a provision to the developer to extend it by one year without any interest cost (During booking, a lot of things were promised, but the Sale agreement had something else...that's a story for another day).

Baba Toto, going forward all payments have to be linked to construction milestones - if you have already paid 50%, i do not see any reason to do the next payment till atleast 50% construction is completed.

It must be illegal to change the terms of the contract, although I haven't checked with a lawyer yet. My contract asks for a post dated cheque to cover the 50% balance. This has now been followed by the letter asking for instalments.......As far as I am concerned I had bought the unit on the basis of 50% advance and 50% ON COMPLETION. I wouldn't have bought otherwise. I am not going to make another payment until completion. (Besides, I don't have any funds to pay anyway!!!:lol:. I was going to either sell the unit on completion or rent it out and pay the balance with a loan......:cheers:)

Construction Update ---THE LAWN III "Ground Work"

26/March/2009

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/images/consupdate/lawns3_20090326_02.jpg

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/images/consupdate/lawns3_20090326_09.jpg

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/images/consupdate/lawns3_20090326_11.jpg

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/content/Construction-Update-Images.aspx?CUID=122&pID=18

Baba Toto, i will be going to the site next week so will check Lawns III also. Though i have not got any such letter yet, the least what can be said is most of (if not all) the Lawns constructions have just about started, so the completion date cannot be before mid 2010 anyways. (With this letter, DEC - though stating the obvious - can use it as legal paper tomorrow).

I am not sure what we can do in case we do not agree to an extension - can we ask for a refund without deducting any charges as the developor has delayed? Can u get a more favorable payment term in case interested to hold on to the property? If anyone in this forum has any idea, would be great if it can be shared.


BTW, my Sale agreement states the completion date as third quarter of 2009 - plus provides a provision to the developer to extend it by one year without any interest cost (During booking, a lot of things were promised, but the Sale agreement had something else...that's a story for another day).

Baba Toto, going forward all payments have to be linked to construction milestones - if you have already paid 50%, i do not see any reason to do the next payment till atleast 50% construction is completed.

Thanks Nab. Would really appreciate your visit to the site!!! Maybe you can take some pictures of the general area around the site so as to get an idea of the level of development in the location.....?

lawns V construction updates 28 March 2009

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/content/Construction-Update-Images.aspx?CUID=128&pID=20

lawns III



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So when is this building likely to reach completion?

Guys ... seems like we are seeing good progress in The Lawns ... http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/content/Construction-Update-Images.aspx?CUID=249&pID=18 :banana:

Guys ... seems like we are seeing good progress in The Lawns ... http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/content/Construction-Update-Images.aspx?CUID=249&pID=18 :banana:

Just a hole in the ground right now...

How much do you think units will be worth on completion?

Hey ... I have been living with cold sweats for the past 2 years as not even a sign board of the plot was seen 6 months ago ... thinking it is money down the drain to go with DEC. Relative to that, the "Hole" we are seeing now is a major milestone forward, I reckon :lol:

In my option, the perceive value of the property is determined by the market sentiments, amenities, infrastructure and community. The properties in JVS are far .. far .. far from ready and I don't think it is wise for one to liquid one's portfolio prematurely now. Do you know I have found a studio in Dubai Marine for only AED$380,000 ... this will give you a feel of the value in JVS relatively in a soft market. :nuts:

When you think of the rental income missed out over the past two years and to be lost over the year or so (at least) that it will take for the building process, then suddently it doesn't appear to be so much good value.....:ohno:

I wish I had invested in JLT instead, over two years ago, then I would probably have been a lot happier right now...

There have not been any updates since 3 weeks.....Anyone know what's going on?:nuts:

There have not been any updates since 3 weeks.....Anyone know what's going on?:nuts:

Anybody know???

One year pasted the completion day, and there isn’t any
Progress "only big hole"

One year pasted the completion day, and there isn’t any
Progress "only big hole"

Does anyone have latest photos? Is the developer still on site and what are they doing next?

Does anyone have latest photos? Is the developer still on site and what are they doing next?

what are they doing next? this is good question baba toto ,they are making
Profit by investor money and we are patiently waiting with out any action.

If enought of us complain to RERA can RERA cancel the project with 100% refunds to investors? I have tried to lodge a complaint on the RERA website but it doesn't appear to have gone though....(I didn't receive an aknowledgement e-mail from RERA)

rera will not do anything, get ur self a lawyer

about my situation... marina wharf I project they actually inform us about the handover will be after 2 months from now ... they wanna paper soon with a One year delayed it was on MARCH 2008 usually they care of tha Sh** three times reschedule of handover date ... They got kidding me

so let us wait and see whats really going on !

The project with almost zero progress (during last couple of month) from external aspect , i don't know nothing about what inside !

" My guess"

MARINA WHARF I = Mid of 2010 HANDOVER DATE
MARINA WHARF II= 2012
THE LAWNS = ALL OF THEM HANDOVER IT BY END OF 2011 .

Rera can't do anything if we don't have more then 250 signatures or close to it .

about my situation... marina wharf I project they actually inform us about the handover will be after 2 months from now ... they wanna paper soon with a One year delayed it was on MARCH 2008 usually they care of tha Sh** three times reschedule of handover date ... They got kidding me

so let us wait and see whats really going on !

The project with almost zero progress (during last couple of month) from external aspect , i don't know nothing about what inside !

" My guess"

MARINA WHARF I = Mid of 2010 HANDOVER DATE
MARINA WHARF II= 2012
THE LAWNS = ALL OF THEM HANDOVER IT BY END OF 2011 .

Rera can't do anything if we don't have more then 250 signatures or close to it .

Above handover dates: Probably a good thing for those located in JVC, but NOT GOOD for Lawns III in JVT.

Current buildings in JVC appear to be in the middle of nowhere; This does not appear to be the case in JVT.....

C/U 30/06/09

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/content/Construction-Update-Images.aspx?CUID=274&pID=18

C/U 30/06/09

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/content/Construction-Update-Images.aspx?CUID=274&pID=18

There are no workers showing in the pictures dated 30/6/09. Is work still ongoing???

There are no workers showing in the pictures dated 30/6/09. Is work still ongoing???

Anyone know???

Does anyone have an e-mail address for DEC so that I can contact someone for latest updates?

Their customer services don't bother to reply to my e-mails!! :bash:

:deadthrea

Spoke to the DEC guys...the Piling & Shoring is complete for Lawns IV & V. The main contractor works will commence from August second week..Of course, i do not see any reason for this project to be handed over before end 2010....PLus they plan to send revised construction based payment structures to the investors in the coming 2 weeks...though was not given any indication of what it would be...

It's a catch-22 situation. No construction - you keep losing on opportunity cost of already invested money...Construction gets completed in a jiffy - with the state of JVC as it is, you cannot stay there, will get no rental (or probably at camel dung prices) and start paying your mortgage too!!!! How do we get through this mess?? Any great ideas, guys??

Baba, sorry for not updating you on the last visit - but coudn't get to go and check the Lawns III site - but in any case, DEC put up the photographs on the latest updates in that same week....

Spoke to the DEC guys...the Piling & Shoring is complete for Lawns IV & V. The main contractor works will commence from August second week..Of course, i do not see any reason for this project to be handed over before end 2010....PLus they plan to send revised construction based payment structures to the investors in the coming 2 weeks...though was not given any indication of what it would be...

It's a catch-22 situation. No construction - you keep losing on opportunity cost of already invested money...Construction gets completed in a jiffy - with the state of JVC as it is, you cannot stay there, will get no rental (or probably at camel dung prices) and start paying your mortgage too!!!! How do we get through this mess?? Any great ideas, guys??

Baba, sorry for not updating you on the last visit - but coudn't get to go and check the Lawns III site - but in any case, DEC put up the photographs on the latest updates in that same week....

What about Lawns III - Will they start construction in August? Nahkeel handed over the plot to DEC a year ago and all they have managed to achieve since then is a hole in the ground!! :nuts:

I take your point about the current state of JV. I think us investors have been duped in this regard but what do we do now? They promised us completion by 2008/9. I even had a letter from DEC promising to refund my deposit if I decided to cancel and/or completion was delayed. Now the Government of Dubai has come up with the most ridiculous laws i.e. investos who cancel loose 30% of their deposit. This is daylight robbery to an investor who has waited 3 years and had nothing in return but a loss of 30% of his payment!! :bash:

We're a week into August already; has anyone seen any construction activity?

Hi guys

Does anyone have any updates if Lawns 3 would be better than Lawns 1, as 3 is in the triangle and 1 is in the circle which has all the ammeneties.

Any help is appreciated

Thanks and Regards
RK

There have not been any updates since 3 weeks.....Anyone know what's going on?:nuts:

Is JVS triangle better investment than JVS circle. specially if we have lawns1 in circle vs lawns3 in triangle.

any help in this regards is really appreciated.

Hi Baba

Appreciate if you could please clarify the below. Are you saying JVC is better than JVT

Above handover dates: Probably a good thing for those located in JVC, but NOT GOOD for Lawns III in JVT.

Current buildings in JVC appear to be in the middle of nowhere; This does not appear to be the case in JVT.....

Hi Baba

Appreciate if you could please clarify the below. Are you saying JVC is better than JVT

Above handover dates: Probably a good thing for those located in JVC, but NOT GOOD for Lawns III in JVT.

Current buildings in JVC appear to be in the middle of nowhere; This does not appear to be the case in JVT.....

raheelm

It seems you haven't been to Dubai, like me!!

I've based my comments on pictures posted on this forum, and on the Nakheel website.

For example:

JVC pictures?:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=139059&page=30

JVT pictures?:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=139059&page=32

Baba Toto, I had asked this question to them some time back when i saw this info on the RERA site. It seems that DEC had purchased the land on Minas General trading name then - for administrative reasons.

Reading through many of the other site construction updates, it does seem that people who have bought in Lawns do not seem to be unduly worried that the developer has not started anything for the last 1 year (except putting some boards) - the units were to be delivered 3-4 months back - and even today there is nothing done.

Isn't it time that we all start speaking collectively to the developer instead of individually?

Does anyone know if Minas is a DEC company??? Have they moved on site yet???

raheelm

It seems you haven't been to Dubai, like me!!

I've based my comments on pictures posted on this forum, and on the Nakheel website.

For example:

JVC pictures?:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=139059&page=30

JVT pictures?:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=139059&page=32


Baba Toto

I am based in Dubai and have somehow missed reviewing this point before buying in JVS.

As for updates, Lawns 2,3,4,5 some work has been done but Lawns 1 is empty land still.

Can you please pass me your contact details so I can call you. I feel it is good to discuss on call. If you are ok.

Please send me an email with your contact details on raheelm@hotmail.com.

Does anyone know if Minas is a DEC company??? Have they moved on site yet???

Does anyone know the reason behind the delay? Is it unreasonable for an investor to ask to be kept updated on time frames, other than "we are waiting for the subcontractor to turn up in August? Is DEC talking to their subcontractor? If they are then can't they share this information with us!!!! :bash:

Does anyone know the reason behind the delay? Is it unreasonable for an investor to ask to be kept updated on time frames, other than "we are waiting for the subcontractor to turn up in August? Is DEC talking to their subcontractor? If they are then can't they share this information with us!!!! :bash:

dear baba toto
where are you ? long time no see ! .. whats happen with your apartments in lawns .we are in same boat .i dont know what to do with mine? ... if you know any information
please post it ...
thank you !!!!!!!!!

I haven't got any news I'm afraid, just waiting endlessly......

I haven't got any news I'm afraid, just waiting endlessly......

what about refund? :cheers:

no company will give u a refund, its always they disappear or they offer u another unit in different project

Has anyone been in contact with DEC to see if building will ever commence? :badnews:

Has anyone been in contact with DEC to see if building will ever commence? :badnews:

Has Mr Dheerej not done a runner from the country?

I posted in several threads last year that he did not have enough money to buy my villa in Emirates Hill and lost his deposit then.

Has Mr Dheerej not done a runner from the country?

I posted in several threads last year that he did not have enough money to buy my villa in Emirates Hill and lost his deposit then.

This is really worrying. DEC has a lot of projects going that don't seem to be moving out of the ground, are basically holes in the ground.

Isn't it time we got together to take collective action via RERA? Can we seek cancellation of the project and refunds? Where are all the investors?

I have got a letter from DEC that completion date had been delayed till 31st of September 2010 regarding contract they have rights to postpond for 1 year, so they postponded and if they wont complete by that date you can claim your money back from 1st of october 2010. They have to return! (i have apt in Lawns V)

Are any fellow investors still out there?? Or have they committed suicide? (Hope Not!!)

Can we get refund? Have any one ask for it ?
In contract said completion date 1st quarter of 2009

Can we get refund? Have any one ask for it ?
In contract said completion date 1st quarter of 2009

Yes I asked and they refused flat with the usual excuse i.e. the money is deposted with RERA! Try asking RERA and they will probably suggest to you to take legal action. In any case they will deduct at least 30% of total price!!!

I feel I have been robbed between the developer and the Dubai Government!!!

If all of us complain to RERA, maybe RERA can cancel the project and refund 100% of our monies!! (assuming there is actually 100% held in RERA accounts!!!!)

Yes I asked and they refused flat with the usual excuse i.e. the money is deposted with RERA! Try asking RERA and they will probably suggest to you to take legal action. In any case they will deduct at least 30% of total price!!!

I feel I have been robbed between the developer and the Dubai Government!!!

If all of us complain to RERA, maybe RERA can cancel the project and refund 100% of our monies!! (assuming there is actually 100% held in RERA accounts!!!!)

They told me the same thing, although they mention in contract after 6month of completion day the buyer get full refund

They told me the same thing, although they mention in contract after 6month of completion day the buyer get full refund

I complained on the RERA website early August and to date, NOTHING, no response from RERA. Calling them doesn't help either. Their call centre simply e-mails the head office and then, NOTHING, still no response....

The recent, so called Government initiative for "free legal advice" - When will this be implimented and who will qualify? Who knows? I can't afford to take legal action alone. Lawyer's fees and court fees are prohibitively expensive, and they don't guarantee a 100% refund.

If only we could collect written petitions from fellow investors? (But how??)Then we could approach RERA on a strong basis, to cancel the project!!!
Could we take legal action as a group?? There is a group of investors who have done this - Checkout: www.concerneddubaisportscityinvestors.com.

:bash:

RERA should refund Investors money ,instead of retain it as escrow account

RERA should refund Investors money ,instead of retain it as escrow account

Have you asked RERA for a refund? Are you in Dubai? If so can you approach RERA? Perhaps if you speak Arabic it may make a difference? I'm not sure people really understand what they've got into. I mean, how many people have actually received a full refund??? In my case I invested in 2006. It is now almost 2010 and what do I have to show for my life savings invested? - A hole in the ground in Jumeirah Village!!!

Do we even know how much of OUR hard earned money is actually held by RERA? They have no right to hold our money indefinately!! Either the developer performs (which as you can see from the above dates, is clearly a joke, or RERA refund 100% back to us!!!!! Despite the developer being in clear breach of contract by failing to complete the project in time, I find it shocking that RERA can brush us aside by suggesting that we take legal action to seek a refund or that 30% will be deducted if we "cancel" the purchase!!! In my case, RERA have not even found the courtesy to reply to my complaint lodged almost 4 months ago!!! This is a scandal. What is the point of RERA if we have to take expensive legal action??? They have done this to discourage investors from seeking refunds because they know that, even though developers are in gross breach of contract, investors stand to loose at least 30% of the purchase price if they cancel!

I regret my decision to invest in Dubai.


:bash:

Have you asked RERA for a refund? Are you in Dubai? If so can you approach RERA? Perhaps if you speak Arabic it may make a difference? I'm not sure people really understand what they've got into. I mean, how many people have actually received a full refund??? In my case I invested in 2006. It is now almost 2010 and what do I have to show for my life savings invested? - A hole in the ground in Jumeirah Village!!!

Do we even know how much of OUR hard earned money is actually held by RERA? They have no right to hold our money indefinately!! Either the developer performs (which as you can see from the above dates, is clearly a joke, or RERA refund 100% back to us!!!!! Despite the developer being in clear breach of contract by failing to complete the project in time, I find it shocking that RERA can brush us aside by suggesting that we take legal action to seek a refund or that 30% will be deducted if we "cancel" the purchase!!! In my case, RERA have not even found the courtesy to reply to my complaint lodged almost 4 months ago!!! This is a scandal. What is the point of RERA if we have to take expensive legal action??? They have done this to discourage investors from seeking refunds because they know that, even though developers are in gross breach of contract, investors stand to loose at least 30% of the purchase price if they cancel!

I regret my decision to invest in Dubai.


:bash: Hi
I feel sorry for all investor in this project ,I am not in uae .
Is there is specific date for refund if the developer failing
to complete the project? like you said We invest in06 -10 !!!!!
or we have to loss 30% ,or we have to wait for ever and forgot our money ..
if this only the choices then what is the benefit of rera ..
rera should take action againt this Corruption ..

Hi
I feel sorry for all investor in this project ,I am not in uae .
Is there is specific date for refund if the developer failing
to complete the project? like you said We invest in06 -10 !!!!!
or we have to loss 30% ,or we have to wait for ever and forgot our money ..
if this only the choices then what is the benefit of rera ..
rera should take action againt this Corruption ..

What completion date should I quote? There is one completion date on the booking form and a later completion date on the contract...What action is RERA going to take? They can't even take the action of replying to my complaint!!! This is Dubai for us!!

:bash:

Hi all
I have receive a letter from a developer,that ihave to pay 5000dirhams to OQOOD
For each property .has someone Received this letter ??do we have to pay??

Hi all
I have receive a letter from a developer,that ihave to pay 5000dirhams to OQOOD
For each property .has someone Received this letter ??do we have to pay??


I haven't and I am surprised that you've received such a letter. I don't even have a clue who OQOOD are.

Hi guys,

i would have wished to be able to find this site before i've invested in the Lawns, i read your previous comments quickly but with great interest.

I lived in Dubai for few years but now i try to follow the situation from outside, i used to visit Dheeraj's office once a while asking the staff for some news about the project, as usual i got a kind of positive feed back attitude, all is ok now since we got the land handed over to us by Nakheel (that was end of 2008) and we are happy to tell you that the work will start very soon (word which is very used by Dheeraj and other developers, soon= 1 week? 1 month? 6 months? you never know exactly!)

So the problem before was Nakheel, but now who to blame?
There was a Lebanese guy who worked with Dheeraj as the head of the technical dept. i don't know what happend with him he disapeared for few months ago (no explanation from Dheeraj) and has been replaced by i another person, i tryed to get the contact of the new guy but the developer doesn't want to give his details.

Lately i've sent a bunch of emails to Dheer. asking the reason of the delay, if you check their website the latest updates are from April/May then nothing, the latest news i got from them was, we are doing the dewatering (start sept.) the subcontractor should start the construction after that soon, i quote, the Lawns are not cancelled, the work is going on again in full swing (i like the expression)
the completion is for the 4th quarter 2010, (which i doubt highly, they need at least 13/14 months to achieve that) what is amazing, they could provide me a completion date but not the starting one!

just another anectode, around august i asked why their website was not updated anymore, reply, we had some technical problems with our server!(so since April/May no one was able to resolve the issue!)
It just show you the real face of Dheeraj and its management, it's really appaling that they mislead the investor at this point!

What can we do? in my opinion Dheeraj has not the sufficient equity to build all the projects, (i hope i might be wrong) if they had the cash i think they would have been under construction for a while, but instead we have only some bad excuses or non stop postponements, and no update to provide to the clients.

In my view the best for all of us is that this project is cancelled by the authorities, that's the only way to get our money back, the idea of writing a petition is a good one, thanks to Baba toto for the link, created by the investors in sport city that's a good way to be heard by RERA, but we need to find the other investors in the Lawns! How can we achieve that?

OQOOD: is the registration for off plan units in Dubai
It generates sales summary and updated ownership information of off plan properties in Dubai.
Surprisingly i haven't got any letter from D. about Oqood!

Thanks to all for your updates,
reg.

Hi guys,

i would have wished to be able to find this site before i've invested in the Lawns, i read your previous comments quickly but with great interest.

I lived in Dubai for few years but now i try to follow the situation from outside, i used to visit Dheeraj's office once a while asking the staff for some news about the project, as usual i got a kind of positive feed back attitude, all is ok now since we got the land handed over to us by Nakheel (that was end of 2008) and we are happy to tell you that the work will start very soon (word which is very used by Dheeraj and other developers, soon= 1 week? 1 month? 6 months? you never know exactly!)

So the problem before was Nakheel, but now who to blame?
There was a Lebanese guy who worked with Dheeraj as the head of the technical dept. i don't know what happend with him he disapeared for few months ago (no explanation from Dheeraj) and has been replaced by i another person, i tryed to get the contact of the new guy but the developer doesn't want to give his details.

Lately i've sent a bunch of emails to Dheer. asking the reason of the delay, if you check their website the latest updates are from April/May then nothing, the latest news i got from them was, we are doing the dewatering (start sept.) the subcontractor should start the construction after that soon, i quote, the Lawns are not cancelled, the work is going on again in full swing (i like the expression)
the completion is for the 4th quarter 2010, (which i doubt highly, they need at least 13/14 months to achieve that) what is amazing, they could provide me a completion date but not the starting one!

just another anectode, around august i asked why their website was not updated anymore, reply, we had some technical problems with our server!(so since April/May no one was able to resolve the issue!)
It just show you the real face of Dheeraj and its management, it's really appaling that they mislead the investor at this point!

What can we do? in my opinion Dheeraj has not the sufficient equity to build all the projects, (i hope i might be wrong) if they had the cash i think they would have been under construction for a while, but instead we have only some bad excuses or non stop postponements, and no update to provide to the clients.

In my view the best for all of us is that this project is cancelled by the authorities, that's the only way to get our money back, the idea of writing a petition is a good one, thanks to Baba toto for the link, created by the investors in sport city that's a good way to be heard by RERA, but we need to find the other investors in the Lawns! How can we achieve that?

OQOOD: is the registration for off plan units in Dubai
It generates sales summary and updated ownership information of off plan properties in Dubai.
Surprisingly i haven't got any letter from D. about Oqood!

Thanks to all for your updates,
reg.

Exactly right. Now that Nakheel is out of the way, why the delay? DEC customer service said the same to me i.e. they have been dewatering but is there any evidence of this? The updates on the DEC website are vague and there is no narrative to explain what is going on to a lay man like me. Apparently now, they are waiting for the subcontractor to set up base on site. Can this be confirmed to be the case? How long are we to go along with these delaying tactics??

Lets all take some of our time to complain to RERA and seek to cancel the project because that is the only way that DEC will take any notice of our plight.....I just hope that enough of us can act for RERA to take any notice.....

Hi guys,

i would have wished to be able to find this site before i've invested in the Lawns, i read your previous comments quickly but with great interest.

I lived in Dubai for few years but now i try to follow the situation from outside, i used to visit Dheeraj's office once a while asking the staff for some news about the project, as usual i got a kind of positive feed back attitude, all is ok now since we got the land handed over to us by Nakheel (that was end of 2008) and we are happy to tell you that the work will start very soon (word which is very used by Dheeraj and other developers, soon= 1 week? 1 month? 6 months? you never know exactly!)

So the problem before was Nakheel, but now who to blame?
There was a Lebanese guy who worked with Dheeraj as the head of the technical dept. i don't know what happend with him he disapeared for few months ago (no explanation from Dheeraj) and has been replaced by i another person, i tryed to get the contact of the new guy but the developer doesn't want to give his details.

Lately i've sent a bunch of emails to Dheer. asking the reason of the delay, if you check their website the latest updates are from April/May then nothing, the latest news i got from them was, we are doing the dewatering (start sept.) the subcontractor should start the construction after that soon, i quote, the Lawns are not cancelled, the work is going on again in full swing (i like the expression)
the completion is for the 4th quarter 2010, (which i doubt highly, they need at least 13/14 months to achieve that) what is amazing, they could provide me a completion date but not the starting one!

just another anectode, around august i asked why their website was not updated anymore, reply, we had some technical problems with our server!(so since April/May no one was able to resolve the issue!)
It just show you the real face of Dheeraj and its management, it's really appaling that they mislead the investor at this point!

What can we do? in my opinion Dheeraj has not the sufficient equity to build all the projects, (i hope i might be wrong) if they had the cash i think they would have been under construction for a while, but instead we have only some bad excuses or non stop postponements, and no update to provide to the clients.

In my view the best for all of us is that this project is cancelled by the authorities, that's the only way to get our money back, the idea of writing a petition is a good one, thanks to Baba toto for the link, created by the investors in sport city that's a good way to be heard by RERA, but we need to find the other investors in the Lawns! How can we achieve that?

OQOOD: is the registration for off plan units in Dubai
It generates sales summary and updated ownership information of off plan properties in Dubai.
Surprisingly i haven't got any letter from D. about Oqood!

Thanks to all for your updates,
reg.
when did you invest in Dheeraj ?

It's been almost 3 years that i've invested,
too long waiting time! The lawns should have been completed for a year now.
If there is any real and concrete reasons for all the delays i am ready to hear from the develop. but unfortunately it seems that transparency and communication are not the priority at the top of the agenda for DEC.

reg.

Hi
I Don’t think this small project will ever be built ..no way ..
If they have built one floor each year ,they would finish…
4 years we only hear a bunch of lie .. the developer has the
Land and the money + profit to done this project ,but he
Prefer to lie than work…

Hi
I Don’t think this small project will ever be built ..no way ..
If they have built one floor each year ,they would finish…
4 years we only hear a bunch of lie .. the developer has the
Land and the money + profit to done this project ,but he
Prefer to lie than work…

I agree 100%. Checkout this newpaper article about another DEC project: www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090807/NATIONAL/708069831/1040

:bash:

I agree 100%. Checkout this newpaper article about another DEC project: www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090807/NATIONAL/708069831/1040

:bash:Raman Iyer, the head of marketing at Dheeraj & East Coast says “just a matter of time till we start construction”.

Raman Iyer, the head of marketing at Dheeraj & East Coast says “just a matter of time till we start construction”.

Time we don't have and what is time anyway? - 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 5 years?. We've already wasted 4 years; That could have been 4 years of rent from another development!!! How much more time??? If they really intent to start contruction anytime soon, then we should be getting regular updates to explain what action they are taking, eg is DEC re-negotiating contracts with sub-contractors? What is going on at DEC on a DAILY BASIS? I mean, if they've not closed office and gone home, then surely, they don't go to office to sit and stare at the walls!!!!

:bash:

Time we don't have and what is time anyway? - 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 5 years?. We've already wasted 4 years; That could have been 4 years of rent from another development!!! How much more time??? If they really intent to start contruction anytime soon, then we should be getting regular updates to explain what action they are taking, eg is DEC re-negotiating contracts with sub-contractors? What is going on at DEC on a DAILY BASIS? I mean, if they've not closed office and gone home, then surely, they don't go to office to sit and stare at the walls!!!!

:bash:

Checkout this quote:

From a personal source, I have heard that these guys will (or already are) bankrupt

Is this the end of the road for our investment?

:badnews:

Hello guys, firstly let's start gathering enough investors in these units - don't know whether we will have to log separate cases for each of the lawns I to V - through this forum.

If a good number of us are motivated enough (as in ready to put down a bit of cash & effort for registering & following up on a case against DEC), that would be a starting point...We all would have a bit of heads up on the process as some other threads have already started filing cases.

I have a unit in Lawns V, and am frustrated enough (read motivated enough) to want to put a case against the developer. Whoever on this group has similar sentiments, please convey your readiness to invest some money and effort - the more members we have the less will the investment.

Request all investors in these units to respond....

Hello guys, firstly let's start gathering enough investors in these units - don't know whether we will have to log separate cases for each of the lawns I to V - through this forum.

If a good number of us are motivated enough (as in ready to put down a bit of cash & effort for registering & following up on a case against DEC), that would be a starting point...We all would have a bit of heads up on the process as some other threads have already started filing cases.

I have a unit in Lawns V, and am frustrated enough (read motivated enough) to want to put a case against the developer. Whoever on this group has similar sentiments, please convey your readiness to invest some money and effort - the more members we have the less will the investment.

Request all investors in these units to respond....

I'm in. Lets hear from other investors and communicate via private message / e-mail address and co-ordinate .....

Better you find legal representation in Pakistan as this is where the guy would do a runner to.

which guy? Dheeraj Wadhawan is an Indian, and quite a highly reputed one in India - so are you talking about East & Coast? Not sure who's in that group...

never trust a paki, indian, britt, hispanic , american, canadian in dubai,


who does that leave us to trust....... NO ONE! Allah Akbar and happy eid, just say inshaallah and the building magically appears.

what about the trust account were all money fund transfare to it ?

I'm in. Lets hear from other investors and communicate via private message / e-mail address and co-ordinate .....


Hi all,
I'm open to all kind of constructive action, we need a minimum of investors to show up to be able to act, we know that the fees for the court are more than expensive (without guarantee of success) i don't know what is the percentage of won cases from investors against developers so far.

But i think we should try to gather and extend our group for a start action and exchange our informations (via private emails)
I've found this contact on the internet (Bavarian Mountains, attached below) i don't know how serious is this company (too good to be true?) i think for the guys living in Dubai it would worth to investigate this place, could anyone have a look at it?
reg.


Problems with your investment in Dubai? We can help you!
________________________________________
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Bavarian Mountains - Radissons SAS Hotel Office Building, Banyias Road, 14 th floor - office 14 J, Dubai-Deira

We will not accept to take your money prior solving your real estate problems. We will give you more information without any obligations. To tell you what we can do for you exactly, we have to get knowledge about your case. Call us or visit us in our office in Dubai.

Bavarian Mountains
Radissons SAS Hotel
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phone: 00971-4-222 56 22
fax: 00971-4-22 13 220

I think some investors on the "SEASONS COMMUNITY" thread may have lodged complaints with RERA on the basis of RERA's criteria no 3, i.e. "Developer failed to start construction within 6 months of receiving RERA's NOC."; I don't think they got any joy from RERA?!

:bash:

just some information for those thinking of suing as a group, forget it, its only case by case , no group law suits take place in dubai.

Why? because the sheikhs own most of the development companies in dubai

just some information for those thinking of suing as a group, forget it, its only case by case , no group law suits take place in dubai.

Why? because the sheikhs own most of the development companies in dubai

It is case by case, yes, but legal fees can be shared by the number of purchasers/investors seeking advice from a law firm, according to www.hadefpartners.com

It is case by case, yes, but legal fees can be shared by the number of purchasers/investors seeking advice from a law firm, according to www.hadefpartners.com

in my opinion thats just another way for dubai to take the few pennies you have left.

This project should be moved to the "ON HOLD" section.

This project should be moved to the "ON HOLD" section.

If you can obtain a copy of a "RERA No Objection Certificate" from the developer then you can lodge a case against the developer at RERA on the basis of "Developer failed to start construction within 6 months of receiving RERAs NOC.".......

Lawns projetcs are "on hold" on the RERA website....:bash:

Check out the latest "update" on the DEC website - No change since the last one over 6 months ago - Except the other buildings around the site have got bigger....:bash:

Hi,
just i saw your discussion,
I bought a unit in lawns 4 in feb 2008 and pay 30% and now they are asking me for another 5 percent.
i am not living in uae at the moment and i have no idea what is going on but as i see in their web site i cant see any progress and when ever i call they don't give me any clear answer. i am really confused and dont know what i have to do. please let me know if you have got any news or you have found any solution. I'm really sick of them.
Appreciate

Hi,
just i saw your discussion,
I bought a unit in lawns 4 in feb 2008 and pay 30% and now they are asking me for another 5 percent.
i am not living in uae at the moment and i have no idea what is going on but as i see in their web site i cant see any progress and when ever i call they don't give me any clear answer. i am really confused and dont know what i have to do. please let me know if you have got any news or you have found any solution. I'm really sick of them.
Appreciate

Don't pay them - Seek advice from RERA and pay according to "RERA approved payment plan", i.e. payments must be linked to contruction progress - which is zero progress!

Hi,
just i saw your discussion,
I bought a unit in lawns 4 in feb 2008 and pay 30% and now they are asking me for another 5 percent.
i am not living in uae at the moment and i have no idea what is going on but as i see in their web site i cant see any progress and when ever i call they don't give me any clear answer. i am really confused and dont know what i have to do. please let me know if you have got any news or you have found any solution. I'm really sick of them.
Appreciate

Hi Top seed,
i will give you the same advice as Baba, they are not allowed to ask you for more money (that's the law) The Lawns have been launched, i think in 2006,
if they are not able to start to build with all the money which is in the escrow acc. now,
i don't think that your payment (5%) will make a big difference in the advancement of the project but surely it will be more efficient on the interest rate growing on their bank account.

To ask for more payment it's a straigh message, very clear!
But when you ask them what's wrong, why all these delays with the Lawns no one is able to answer you! The classical answer is, it's not our fault!!

Hi,
just i saw your discussion,
I bought a unit in lawns 4 in feb 2008 and pay 30% and now they are asking me for another 5 percent.
i am not living in uae at the moment and i have no idea what is going on but as i see in their web site i cant see any progress and when ever i call they don't give me any clear answer. i am really confused and dont know what i have to do. please let me know if you have got any news or you have found any solution. I'm really sick of them.
Appreciate

Hi Top seed,
i will give you the same advice as Baba, they are not allowed to ask you for more money (that's the law) The Lawns have been launched, i think in 2006,
if they are not able to start to build with all the money which is in the escrow acc. now,
i don't think that your payment (5%) will make a big difference in the advancement of the project but surely it will be more efficient on the interest rate growing on their bank account.

To ask for more payment it's a straigh message, very clear!
But when you ask them what's wrong, why all these delays with the Lawns no one is able to answer you! The classical answer is, it's not our fault!!

Hi fellow DEC Victims,

I own a 2BHK unit in Lawns V which I booked in 2006 after paying about 15% of the property value. After a few letters last year asking for more payment I have had no correspondence with DEC for the last 4-5 months. I checked the RERA site and it shows the project is on hold-based on the thread it seems that there might be some legal recourse to it and you are gathering members.
I would be more than willing to join any legal action that any fellow member is planning & I know another Lawns investor who can join as well. How can we go about it?

cheers

Hi guys,
Does any one have any new news from lawns projects?
Please let me know if u decide to do any legal action against them then definitely i will join you. Please let me know if you find any other solutions.
tanx

Lawns V update from DEC...at last
I got this last week...after months of calls and emails.

"Further to your email , would like to infomr you that the project is going on , we are awaiting certain approvals froom relevant authorities to start the sub structure of the building.
Kindly find the attached RERA approved payment plan for your reference.
In regards to refund would like to inform you that all the refund requests have to come through dubai courts."

10 % reservation
15 % SPA ready for signatures
5% commencment of work on site
5% Completion of shoring and excavation
5% completion of raft foundation
10% completion 1st basement
10% completion of ground floor slab
10% completion of 2nd floor slab
10% completion of 4th floor slab
20% completion

BTW, the agent claimed on the phone that they have completed shoring and excavation

Hi fellow DEC Victims,

I own a 2BHK unit in Lawns V which I booked in 2006 after paying about 15% of the property value. After a few letters last year asking for more payment I have had no correspondence with DEC for the last 4-5 months. I checked the RERA site and it shows the project is on hold-based on the thread it seems that there might be some legal recourse to it and you are gathering members.
I would be more than willing to join any legal action that any fellow member is planning & I know another Lawns investor who can join as well. How can we go about it?

cheers

Hi guys,

to my knowledge i haven't heard anyone having won a case in court against a developer, i mean by that having got his money back.
I would be interested to exchange some informations with you guys, outside the forum, if more or us are connected together better our chances are to fight DEC, if you wish to contact me here is my email add: mnblu4@gmail.com

thank you.

HI All just come across this thread. I also invested in Lawn 4 and not happy at all.

Please let me know if u decide to do any legal action against them. Count me in!!
sandb i have e mailed you

Im new to this and was my first investment. Have i lost the all my money. I bought the unit last year as it was advertised on bhomes website. Because i was buying from someone who purchased back in 2006 i paid 50% deposit!. This included the payment that was due in Ocotber 2009!


The money is in a escrow account. Does this mean the money i have paid is safe?

http://www.clydeco.com/knowledge/articles/escrow-law-dubais-new-regulations-for-the-sale-of-off-plan-units.cfm

Under Article 14, the Escrow Agent will retain five percent (5%) of the total amount paid into the escrow account after the developer has obtained the certificate of completion. Such funds must remain in the escrow account for a period of one year after the date of registering all units in the buyers’ names. Article 15 applies in the event of unforeseen emergencies that result in non-completion of the development and provides that after consultation with the Escrow Agent, the Land Department may take such measures required to protect the buyers’ rights and complete the development or refund to the buyer the monies paid by them.


Regards

A property investor has been awarded a refund for an office unit he bought in a project that is 20*months behind schedule after taking the developer to court.

British businessman Ron Oakeley bought two offices in a building in Dubai's Business Bay that*was to be named after the former Formula One racing driver Niki Lauda. The proposed Niki Lauda*Twin Towers building was part of a trio of projects launched by German developer Alternative*Capital Invest Real Estate, in 2007.




Property investor awarded a refund on delayed Niki Lauda Twin Towers - this is all public knowledge and released in the media March 6 2010....

Angela Giuffrida reported

* Last Updated: March 06. 2010 10:26PM UAE / March 6. 2010 6:26PM GMT

Source : www.
thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100306/BUSINESS/703069908/0/FRONTPAGE


The problem is this investor and what the article and thread is about didn't get all his money for another unit so he has appealed...same developer.....an extract....so it's not that simple as people think it is...

Quote from the National "Mr Oakeley’s victory was muted, however, as he lost the case for a second unit on which he spent Dh695,000, because it was registered.

The investor is appealing against the second decision through Dubai’s Court of Cassation.

Despite spending thousands of dirhams taking the case to court, and risking losing the judgment on the first unit, Mr Oakeley said he would continue the fight.

“It’s like throwing good money after bad..........."



This appears a second case (who knows there may be more that people are not aware of) before the courts to get a judgement not only Mizin....which was a highly publicised case and a "historic ruling" that the developer had to repay 7.4 million dirhams...however that too is in appeal so where does that leave the investor????......nothing is concrete and there is no guarantee that the investor will ever see their money through the court system in Dubai as not one investor to date has been successful in getting their monies as yet as to date they have had to appeal or the developer appeals against the decision - so back to square one it goes...round and round in circles...dragging it out slowly and purposely....This is clear cut fraud and nothing else...criminal in all aspects...yet what do the courts do ...let's see a follow up if and when this person actually gets his money back for the first unit but whatever money it is will be wasted for the second which he will no doubt lose...

The developers are all the same they take your money and then hold onto it planning not to do anything with it...This investor like many purchased in 2007 and of course you had all the places being heavily advertised with the sports heroes of the day (those who have high public profile) being thrown out there to the unsuspecting public for it to sound even more enticing and believable that this was actually somewhere safe to invest....Did Donald Trump actually claim he was going to build there or was it just the use of a name back then to entice people to believe that this would occur?....If actually Donald Trump had invested there then you could say this place was something safe perhaps - he didn't - it was in the medial that these claims were being made that this was on the cards...false advertising all this out there to the unsuspecting public is misleading everyone and as much as can be said about the developers the sports heroes or the use of their names should be highly illegal in the first instance...Nothing more than a scam to suck honest investors into believing that if these high profile people have invested then this place must be sound.

Any update on Lawns II construction?

Hey, DEC has removed construction progress on its LAWNS sites. Have they cancelled the project and returning our money :)
Or have they simply packed up and skipped off back to Mumbai :{

Any update on Lawns II construction?

lawns on hold

I called DEC few days ago and they were positive (as usual) that they will resume the construction in one month.

:nono:I called DEC few days ago and they were positive (as usual) that they will resume the construction in one month.

Does anyone have any news on the Lawns developments? or any idea on how we can get our money back. . .. .

The one who told me 3 months ago that they are starting construction next month is no longer working for DEC. Now they are saying that they will start construction on Lawns-IV next month and will offer me to transfer my Lawns-II apartment to Lawns-IV.

I have been informed that they now have NOC for Lawn 4 and construction will start this month

I have been informed that they now have NOC for Lawn 4 and construction will start this month

It is nearly the end of the month. Have you got an update.

Updates for LAWNS II : I have received an email from Dheeraj's Customer care section stating that they have completed the shoring and excavation works at the site and currently they are awaiting certain approvals from relevant authtorities to commence construction at site.

I have been informed that comstruction started on Lawn 4.

The construction company is Dimensions

http://www.dimensions-ec.com/Projects/Lawns4.html

I have flat in Lawns II. Today, I received a letter from DEC in which they asked me to pay AED 3000 for Oqood Registration Charges. Any suggestions?

The one who told me 3 months ago that they are starting construction next month is no longer working for DEC. Now they are saying that they will start construction on Lawns-IV next month and will offer me to transfer my Lawns-II apartment to Lawns-IV.

Very interesting. Just ask them what they have available in Lawns IV. This will show how much truth is there in their statement.

I have flat in Lawns II. Today, I received a letter from DEC in which they asked me to pay AED 3000 for Oqood Registration Charges. Any suggestions?

Oqood is an initial registration charge payable in respect of your apartment. This raises two questions. First, they are saying to you construction on Lawns IV has started and you will be moved from Lawns II to Lawns IV. Obvious question you need to ask DEC is if they are going to move you from II to IV, why ask for initial registration charge on II. Would you be paying AED3000 again for IV. The other obvious queston you need to ask is what can they offer you in IV. The reason I am saying this to you is because I have also got a unit in II and have received similar letter. When asked what they have got available in IV, the answer is simply "NOTHING". Please do not take my word and ask the question yourself. If you are in Dubai, visit their office and let fellow investors know what the reply is.
Second question is: What is Oqood charge. If you look under Oqood thread you will find the charge is just under AED300 (three hundred and not three thousand). The charge,( as per the thread), is payable by the developer.
My suggestion to you is do not let DEC take you for a ride. If they are not going to build II and they have nothing available in IV, will they refund your money. Just read what one investor has to say about DEC:
Hi everyone,
I made an investment on Bay Residences in Business Bay and the developer is
DEC (Dheeraj East Coast LLC). I hear the same stories as i read in the
forums saying that "master developer did not give us the land and we can not
start" and eventually 6 months ago RERA sent me an official letter saying
that "DEC wishes to cancel the project and there is no money in my favour in
the escrow account". In fact DEC tried to move me to another "ongoing - to
be completed" project but i did not buy that. So now next week I am
travelling to Dubai to see what i can do. According to one DEC investor I
spoke last week over the phone, he made a deal with this developer to get a
ready unit in Dubai Marina. Do you know if these guys have any more ready
units to deal with ? Or any more ideas how i can proceed to get back at
least my money which was supposed to be in the escrow account ?


So basically I am looking for some ideas especially from the ones who might
have settled with this developer


Thanks

Thankyou sgn7200. I'll go to DEC office in order to clear these scary doubts.

Thankyou sgn7200. I'll go to DEC office in order to clear these scary doubts.

Hi Wac! Some of us are anxiously waiting to know the outcome of your visit to DEC Dubai.

I called DEC again instead visiting them since I had to leave Abu Dhabi for urgent vacations for three weeks. I asked them about the fears of losing money ... This time new person told me that my investment is safe (of course they will say it) and will try to transfer my studio from Lawns-2 into Lawns-4. They will call me in couple of weeks. I'll visit them in last week of November now.

Hi everyone,
I have a Studio Apt in Lawns IV. Same as you guys. Have been strung along for last 3 years. However I have now received a demand for 3000AED for Interim Registration Fee. They have stated Lawns IV will start re-building now that all issues have been sorted. They state these registration charges are thr Buyers responsibility as quoted in the contract. I have checked and it does state in clause 6 (page 17 in my contract) that it is the Buyer who pays. BUT SHOULD I PAY AND IS IT 300 OR 3000 AED ?
They have also stated late payment will be charged at 12%
Can some-one please tell me what I should do?

Hi everyone,
I have a Studio Apt in Lawns IV. Same as you guys. Have been strung along for last 3 years. However I have now received a demand for 3000AED for Interim Registration Fee. They have stated Lawns IV will start re-building now that all issues have been sorted. They state these registration charges are thr Buyers responsibility as quoted in the contract. I have checked and it does state in clause 6 (page 17 in my contract) that it is the Buyer who pays. BUT SHOULD I PAY AND IS IT 300 OR 3000 AED ?
They have also stated late payment will be charged at 12%
Can some-one please tell me what I should do?

This developer is notorious in extracting monies from investors. Their credit control department is very aggressive and their record of delivering projects is dismal. They have 5 projects i.e. Lawns I - V in Jumeirah Village and they are all heaps of sand. Other developers are facing similar problems but many of them are getting on with the job and quite a lot of them e.g. Damac are in fact delivering in Jumeirah Village. If you look at Oqood thread, charge is only AED295 and that too is payable by the developer. My view is to print RERA document and send it to the developer and ask him to supply you better evidence he has in his possession. You pay AED3000 and you can say good bye to your good money. With regard to threat of 12% interest, you can ask him to work out your loss on account of loss of rent on your apartment which should have been delivered by now and is still a heap of sand.

Updates for LAWNS II : I have received an email from Dheeraj's Customer care section stating that they have completed the shoring and excavation works at the site and currently they are awaiting certain approvals from relevant authtorities to commence construction at site.

Hello Ummbutti! Can you do us a favour and ask DEC if they have received "certain approvals from relevant authorities" and when are they expecting the construction would start. Many thanks.

Hello Ummbutti! Can you do us a favour and ask DEC if they have received "certain approvals from relevant authorities" and when are they expecting the construction would start. Many thanks.

Helloe sgn7200,
I called DEC 2 weeks back and it seems that his project will remain on hold for ever. They just offered me to move to another project like LAWNS 4 or Marina Wharf in Dubai Marina and it it much expenseive than LAWNS2 since the area is bigger and the location is different.
Any way, I have received the letter of the 3000AED for Interim Registration Fee!!!!! How dare they asked for it while no progress shown in any of their projects ?:bash:
I decided to call RERA and Oqood today to ask them about the validity and the amount and I'll keep you posted.

Hi sgn7200 and umbatti + everyone concerned with this thread.
I await with interest what RERA and Oqood state about the validity of why DEC are demanding 3,000AED for Interim registration.
I have written back myself to DEC asking them to explain and send me written proof that the fee is 3,000 (OR 275AED as one of the thread members has quoted) I am not holding my breath on a response though. But they are not getting any money from me until I know the truth.
However one reason for writing this is that it appears there is some speculation of building work re-starting on Lawns 4. I have a studio apartment at Lawns 4 and have paid 83% of total monies. Hence my sign in name - Burntfingers.
BUT - despite looking on various websites this is the only one I have found so far that has Lawns investors talking to each other.
How many investors must there be accross all the Lawns 1-5 developments. HOW CAN WE TRACK EACH OTHER DOWN AND WORK TOGETHER EFFECTIVELY FOR THE GOOD OF ALL?
Does anyone know of other sites or groups of investors that we can bring together under ONE SITE?

Are there any Lawns 4 investors reading this?
Are there truly apartments still available in Lawns 4 for Lawns 2 Investores to move over if they want. I know I paid more per sq ft, but at the time still thought it was a resonable price at the time.
Are there any up to date price lists available on Lawns 4. What price per sq ft are you guys in Lawns 2 being asked for if you transfer over to 4.
I noted on an earlier thread that actually when pressed DEC HAS STATED there are none available. Why offer to tranfer over then? None of this makes sense.??????

AGAIN - This is why we need an investor who actually lives / works in Dubai to get to the truth - face to face with DEC.

HOWEVER - Looking ahead. IF any of the Lawns devlopments actually get built in the next 12 - 18 months. What is the likelyhood / chance of our apartments being rented?
Does anyone know? I spoke to a person who had just returned from a visit to Dubai and said she was shocked at how many apartments were empty and unable to attract people to rent them.
Will we face the same issue? If so HOW MUCH WILL DEC CHARGE US / RIPP US OFF ON SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE CHARGES UPON COMPLETION FOR OUR EMPTY UNITS? WILL WE BE AT THEIR MERCY. I think we will. Can anyone give me some comfort that this would not be the case.

I had better stop now, as I could write a book (as could most of you guys I bet). Please keep up this thread, as it does give me me some comfort talking to you guys.

All the best for our future
Kind Regards

David. ( BURNTFINGERS )

Helloe sgn7200,
I called DEC 2 weeks back and it seems that his project will remain on hold for ever. They just offered me to move to another project like LAWNS 4 or Marina Wharf in Dubai Marina and it it much expenseive than LAWNS2 since the area is bigger and the location is different.
Any way, I have received the letter of the 3000AED for Interim Registration Fee!!!!! How dare they asked for it while no progress shown in any of their projects ?:bash:
I decided to call RERA and Oqood today to ask them about the validity and the amount and I'll keep you posted.

Hi Ummbutti, If they are now telling you L2 is on indefinite hold, you are entitled to refunds of your money. Ask Director of Legal Services at RERA to help you and also ask the bank where Escrow a/c is held to let you have a copy of the bank statement. Do not fall into their trick of being moved to another project at a premium when market is selling at 50% discount. They did this to one of my friends who had to engage an attorney to get his refund. For example, DEC sold Wharf 2 at AED850 psf (See Marina Wharf 2 thread) and they will try to sell Wharf 2 to you at AED1100 psf. My experience of them is they are very dishonourable people and any opportunmity they get, they will rip you apart. Please keep us informed.

They did this to one of my friends who had to engage an attorney to get his refund.

Hi sgn7200

Did your friend invest in the lawns? How long did it take to recover his money via his lawyer?

Great !!

Hello All ,
At last I got the required reply.... :banana:
I communicated RERA,OQOOD and Dubai Land Departement.
The answer was given by Contract's Registration Office :

Oqood Registration fees (Interim Registration with Dubai Land Department) is one thousand Dhs only by the Law
So I communicated DEC to ask about the additional AED 2000, and here is their reply :

Further to your query regarding the AED 3,000 debit note, please find herewith the breakdown of the mentioned subject:

AED 1,000 – Oqood Registration Fee
AED 2,000 - Administration Fee

I have a unit in Dubai which was devloped by DAMAC, They asked for AED 1000 for OQOOD Registeration and AED 0 for Administration !!!!

http://www.alhnuf.com/up/pics-gif/upload/uploads/images/alhnuf34726a81b3.jpg


:ohno:

Is there anything we can do regarding this 2,000AED Admin fee. This is just ripping us off.

Is there anything we can do regarding this 2,000AED Admin fee. This is just ripping us off.


As you said, This is just ripping us off.
I escalated this issue to the CEO.RERA and he said :1000 dhs is the fair amount ,but the Head of Operations & Customer Service in DEC asked me to refer to clause 6.4 for further enlightenment in my signed SPA.

I don't have it right now,but I don't think that they deserve the 2000 dhs for their poor admin .:tiasd:

I also have an apartment in Lawns V, and this year my family moved to Dubai, so i visited DEC office few time and i met different people. They are really donkeys! And so unproffecional! They offer me flat in Dubai Marina Wharf 1 and DEC Tower for 1200 per sq feet when on the market it cost 850 per sqf. Of course i said no! As per contract they have to handover by 3rd q of 2009 (means 31.09.2009), but by clause 5.1 they have right to extend for other 12 month, so 12 month expired 31.09.2010 after they have to refund money. So I went to the lawyer i she send them legal notice, they didn't reply. Result: next week we r going to place file in the Dubai court, it will cost us, but in writ we will charge them everything. My lawyer assured me that I have 95% chance to win the case!
There is also clause 16 in the contract Force Major where is written, even if they didnt handed over unit because of FM in time, after 2 years they have to refund full amount. About 3000AED I didnt recieve such a letter, but friend of mine said that Letter was dated by 9.09.2010, but they send it 14.10.10 after the contract expired. Keep your envelope just in case.

I also have an apartment in Lawns V, and this year my family moved to Dubai, so i visited DEC office few time and i met different people. They are really donkeys! And so unproffecional! They offer me flat in Dubai Marina Wharf 1 and DEC Tower for 1200 per sq feet when on the market it cost 850 per sqf. Of course i said no! As per contract they have to handover by 3rd q of 2009 (means 31.09.2009), but by clause 5.1 they have right to extend for other 12 month, so 12 month expired 31.09.2010 after they have to refund money. So I went to the lawyer i she send them legal notice, they didn't reply. Result: next week we r going to place file in the Dubai court, it will cost us, but in writ we will charge them everything. My lawyer assured me that I have 95% chance to win the case!
There is also clause 16 in the contract Force Major where is written, even if they didnt handed over unit because of FM in time, after 2 years they have to refund full amount. About 3000AED I didnt recieve such a letter, but friend of mine said that Letter was dated by 9.09.2010, but they send it 14.10.10 after the contract expired. Keep your envelope just in case.

Well done. My personal congratulations to you. It is time to tell these cheats we want value for our money. Please keep us posted with regard to the developments in the case. If your lawyer has no objection, can you please publish her contact details as I for one would like to follow the example you are setting.

MashAllah... great pictures, thank you

Have just had some news that the new building contractor for Lawns 4 (Due to start NOW) has run into financial problems, so is it back to square one again? ANY NEWS OUT THERE?

I visited DEC office today. Since I have paid 75% of my flat in Lawns II, I asked for refund of additional money than 35% (required at shoring stage). The person agreed with my claim but told me that they cannot refund money since the money is in the escrow account and advised me to go to Dubai Land Department for claim and this could require some legal assistance. Can someone advise on this?

Any one know the mobile number of Mr. Dheeraj Wadhawan, Director, Dheeraj East Coast Company?
Please PM me if Possible.

:hilarious

:cripes::cripes::hilarious

Why are you laughing at me !!! :cripes:

I just seen alot of DEC employees were undercover on this website :D forget about phone no. of that fatty guy .

It is impossible no doubt unless you contact one of higher employees on DEC OFFICE .

I have been informed that comstruction started on Lawn 4.

The construction company is Dimensions

http://www.dimensions-ec.com/Projects/Lawns4.html

Dear Jasper - I am a little bit confused. You are saying that construction has started and that the construction company is "Dimensions". Someone else is saying the constructon company has already gone under. As far as I know "Dimensions" is a firm of architects working for DEC (and others) who issue certificates certifying the amount of work done by the contractor. The fact is DEC have not contracted with any firm to proceed with the construction work. In fact, they have in-house contractor who is a related company of DEC and they have cross share holdings. The question of contractor going to the wall is misinformation being spread by DEC agents to hide their own failures. Let me request all of you to contact DEC office in Dubai and find out the truth and report this to the forum so that we can put our heads together and chalk out a clear sense of direction for the new year. Do not let any of these DEC agents mislead you. Happy New Year.

I also have an apartment in Lawns V, and this year my family moved to Dubai, so i visited DEC office few time and i met different people. They are really donkeys! And so unproffecional! They offer me flat in Dubai Marina Wharf 1 and DEC Tower for 1200 per sq feet when on the market it cost 850 per sqf. Of course i said no! As per contract they have to handover by 3rd q of 2009 (means 31.09.2009), but by clause 5.1 they have right to extend for other 12 month, so 12 month expired 31.09.2010 after they have to refund money. So I went to the lawyer i she send them legal notice, they didn't reply. Result: next week we r going to place file in the Dubai court, it will cost us, but in writ we will charge them everything. My lawyer assured me that I have 95% chance to win the case!
There is also clause 16 in the contract Force Major where is written, even if they didnt handed over unit because of FM in time, after 2 years they have to refund full amount. About 3000AED I didnt recieve such a letter, but friend of mine said that Letter was dated by 9.09.2010, but they send it 14.10.10 after the contract expired. Keep your envelope just in case.
Dear Natoush - Please do not let DEC take you for a ride. They are experts in cheating innocent people by selling them something at a price so as to make super profits for themselves. Anybody who has been to their luxury offices in Dubai would know they have no income and yet they are able to run a luxury life style by cheating innocent people like you and me. They are offering you an apartment at DEC Towers at AED1200 psf, here is someone offering similar apartment at same place at less than AED800 psf. Please note I have no personal interest in the proposed transaction:
FOR SALE:

1 BEDROOM
DUBAI MARINA
DEC TOWER-I
948 SQ.FT.
UPGRADED REFURBISHMENT
SEA VIEW
READY TO MOVE IN
AED 750,00

050 745 0 757

Dear Natoush - Please do not let DEC take you for a ride. They are experts in cheating innocent people by selling them something at a price so as to make super profits for themselves. Anybody who has been to their luxury offices in Dubai would know they have no income and yet they are able to run a luxury life style by cheating innocent people like you and me. They are offering you an apartment at DEC Towers at AED1200 psf, here is someone offering similar apartment at same place at less than AED800 psf. Please note I have no personal interest in the proposed transaction:
FOR SALE:

1 BEDROOM
DUBAI MARINA
DEC TOWER-I
948 SQ.FT.
UPGRADED REFURBISHMENT
SEA VIEW
READY TO MOVE IN
AED 750,00

050 745 0 757

I found also A similar one ,but much cheaper:
DEC Tower
Bedrooms: 1
Bathrooms: 2
Size: 950.00 SqFt
Price / SqFt: 600 AED
Community view
Selling price:AED570000
Naatsha 0509202739

DEC offered me a studio 638sq.ft for DHS 700000 as an alternative of my LAWNS2 unit.Please check its market price :
http://desk01.arb-up.com/i/00012/c2dqxu9vdbod_t.jpg (http://arb-up.com/c2dqxu9vdbod)

http://desk01.arb-up.com/files/6/h0bjftvf64aktr/DEC_tower.JPG

Any one know the mobile number of Mr. Dheeraj Wadhawan, Director, Dheeraj East Coast Company?
Please PM me if Possible.

This guy has business empires both in Melbourne and Mumbai apart from Dubai. If you are serious enough, please contact Companies House at these respective places. I hope you will be able to get some lead. On the other hand, you know this man leads a very upmarket life style. Rumour goes, this guy is often seen at London Casinoes or Melbourne dog races. He is leading a comfortable life on your and mine hard earned money. Obviously you have something in mind. Follow this up. This is a worthwhilw cause. Good Luck.

Dear All

Are any of you still alive and fighting ?
Natoush - How are you progressing ?
Wac - What have you found out ?

Come on Guys - We need to work together

Latest News from DEC on Lawns 4. In negotiation with another construction company. Completion date now looking at another 2 years !!!!!
Where do we stand legally regarding these time scales?
Do I have to pay 3,000 AED and register BEFORE I can pursue any legal action OR get some or all of my monies back. I have paid 83%. Who can advise me?

Contact me privately if you cannot trust the open dialogue page.

Thank you.
Burntfingers

Burntfingers - Seems like the situation is "burntbody". I went to Lands department but could not meet with the right person. But, I was able to see some nice realtor who was aware of most of the projects' situation in the market and seems "expert" in these legal matters as well. He informed me that whatever the situation is, the investor has to apply in court for refund (if developer is not paying it willingly). There are 'chances' that you will get the money but still not 100% money. Rough cost of this process is about AED 150,000 and 1.5 year of battle. After listening this, I decided to watch, see and pray that the developer does not run away. Even to prove that these situations are not forcemajour, you have to apply through court and then the same story.There are not many options for us. If someone else has better option, please let me know.

Burntfingers - Seems like the situation is "burntbody". I went to Lands department but could not meet with the right person. But, I was able to see some nice realtor who was aware of most of the projects' situation in the market and seems "expert" in these legal matters as well. He informed me that whatever the situation is, the investor has to apply in court for refund (if developer is not paying it willingly). There are 'chances' that you will get the money but still not 100% money. Rough cost of this process is about AED 150,000 and 1.5 year of battle. After listening this, I decided to watch, see and pray that the developer does not run away. Even to prove that these situations are not forcemajour, you have to apply through court and then the same story.There are not many options for us. If someone else has better option, please let me know.

During all My communication with RERA ,I received the same reply as above.
last week I emailed the RERA CEO to know the actual progress of LAWNS2 as they promised me to upload the new updated progress report to their website six months back.
They answered that they already gave order for Screampoint to inspect the project and get the updated technical report with the construction progress, which is going to be uploaded/reflected in the website.
I asked what is Next ???? when to cancel the project and get our money back since the project seems to be on hold forever? and they said .. You should wait to see the inspection result.
But as I understand , This is a looooong process and we will not get the 100% of our money.

During all My communication with RERA ,I received the same reply as above.
last week I emailed the RERA CEO to know the actual progress of LAWNS2 as they promised me to upload the new updated progress report to their website six months back.
They answered that they already gave order for Screampoint to inspect the project and get the updated technical report with the construction progress, which is going to be uploaded/reflected in the website.
I asked what is Next ???? when to cancel the project and get our money back since the project seems to be on hold forever? and they said .. You should wait to see the inspection result.
But as I understand , This is a looooong process and we will not get the 100% of our money.

Dear Ummbutti - would you be so kind to let us know the Email address of RERA CEO so that we may also put plight before him. Many thanks.

Dear Ummbutti - would you be so kind to let us know the Email address of RERA CEO so that we may also put plight before him. Many thanks.

Here is the email of RERA CEO Marwan Bin Ghulaita:
Marwan@rera.gov.ae

By the way,He is very nice and cooperative Person.

has he actually responded to your e-mail? He is very busy , probably gets 1000 e-mails per day/

Yes. That's why I said he is nice and cooperative. He read all my emails and responded to me immediatley and professionally by himeself .Sometimes he forwards the email to his team for any necessary reason.

http://www.emirates247.com/property/...03-23-1.371971

Lookes like they have updated the website with new pics dated 16th March
Cabins appear to be on site ready for construction. Hopefully these are on site and not miles away just to keep us happy.
Can anybody confirm if these cabins are on site at Lawn 4

Lookes like they have updated the website with new pics dated 16th March
Cabins appear to be on site ready for construction. Hopefully these are on site and not miles away just to keep us happy.
Can anybody confirm if these cabins are on site at Lawn 4

adding salt to injury

911

Why do you say that. Surley if cabins are on site at least it appears they have or will start construction soon on Lawn 4

Yes. That's why I said he is nice and cooperative. He read all my emails and responded to me immediatley and professionally by himeself .Sometimes he forwards the email to his team for any necessary reason.

I sent him email couple of weeks ago but I did not receive any response yet!! He might be tired by now.

Ref RERA CEO.
Similar situation. Sent two e-mails over last 10 days. No response as yet.

This is strange ...
Sorry to hear that ...

ummbutti - have received initial response today after chase up e-mail. He has requested some more detailed information, and has promised to get back to me. Thank you for sharing the contact details with me / us. Hopefully I can get some truthfull answers regarding my purchase into Lawns 4 after all the differing "stories" from DEC etc etc. Any constructive information I get, I will pass on through this site if I feel it could benefit others.

burntfingers - After reading your message, I also sent him a reminder. It is always a good idea to share such info. Thanks.

Hey all victims of DEC investments!

I have also invested in LAWNS V and have had zero feedback from DECsince 2009! Even speaking to them directly , all they say is they are starting foundations!! We have invested alot money in this and also were paying a mortgage to it (as we trusted the completion date) and we were also paying rent on where we are living! RERA did try and assit us ,setting up meetings with DEC,however no representative from DECcame to the meetings. It so frustrating. We don't even want the apartment now, we just want our money back!
Please if there is anyone else out there suffering like us let try organise a group 'attack' (nicest word i could use):) to get what us investors are entitled to. If we have enough of us i will set up a page on F'book also to get as many of us involved as possible. Agroup approach should be much more effective than individually...
Great to hear from you all!

I got an e mail from DEC on the 19th April with upto date pics of work on Lawns 4

E mail reads

Dear Sir/ Madam,

We thank you for your continued patronage to our above project at Jumeriah Village and would like to update you with the project progress till date.

Pleased be informed you that we have successfully resumed work on the Raft Foundation. Please find attached the latest pictures.

For further details, please refer to our website www.dheerajeastcoast.com

We shall be sharing with you further updates on the project from time to time.

Thank you once again for your cooperation

The pics show the big whole lined with scaffolding and men spraying the basement

Hey all victims of DEC investments!

I have also invested in LAWNS V and have had zero feedback from DECsince 2009! Even speaking to them directly , all they say is they are starting foundations!! We have invested alot money in this and also were paying a mortgage to it (as we trusted the completion date) and we were also paying rent on where we are living! RERA did try and assit us ,setting up meetings with DEC,however no representative from DECcame to the meetings. It so frustrating. We don't even want the apartment now, we just want our money back!
Please if there is anyone else out there suffering like us let try organise a group 'attack' (nicest word i could use):) to get what us investors are entitled to. If we have enough of us i will set up a page on F'book also to get as many of us involved as possible. Agroup approach should be much more effective than individually...
Great to hear from you all!

It is a pity DEC have no respect for RERA let alone we customers. Having agreed to a meeting with you under the good offices of RERA and then not turning up for the meeting smacks of unprofessionalism. Why can's RERA take DEC to task for showing contempt of the prestigious body like RERA. What is the use of having a body like RERA which has no teeth. Such weakness on the part of RERA is doing a lot of damage to the confidence which foreign investors had in Dubai in the past. It will be so difficult to get that confidence back unless RERA gets its act together. DEC appear to be a bunch of car boys and it is a shame we have trusted them with our hard earned finances. I believe everyone will agree with you that we should act together to make DEC act honourably. I suggest we should all Email RERA CEO about false promises of DEC and their countless lies which are causing untold miseries to us honest and law abiding citizens of the world. This is an excellent idea and I urge everyone of you to feed us with any information you have. Those of you, who are in or around Dubai or visiting Dubai, please visit the sites of Lawns IV and V and tell us what is the truth in their statements.

You need to note that Rera has no respect for Rera and Dubai has no respect for investors, the realestate problems are not just 1, 2 or 3 problems, their is a dozen problems which go hand in hand to make Dubai this unstable corrupt property market.

For example:

1) The Realestate laws are very weak
2) The current laws are vague
3) Their is little to no enforcment of current laws
4) The current laws do not protect investors what so ever
5) Their is no class action law suits allowed
6) Their is a huge huge huge huge visa problem
7) Rera employees and CEO do not do anything to help anyone
8) the courts simply do not work
9) The Escrow accounts have been introduced just within the past couple of years while Dubais property market has been open for over a decade
10) current laws do not make developers deposit money obtained from investors pre 2007 to be deposited in post 2007 escrow account which means billions of dollars can be in personal accounts of developer excecutives and they flee dubai


I have just listed 10 major problems in Dubai, the real list of problems are much more than 10, solving one wont do anyone any good, these problems need to be sorted out together. The problems in Dubai are like swiss cheese, you solve one problem and another 100 problems are left.

In conclusion Dubai needs an effective government which in my opinion will not happen in my life time.

You cant just blame Rera or the developer or the Sheikh, its not one problem as I said above, a dozen issues need to be fixed in order for the REAL problems to go away, fixing one problem is like sweeping dirt under a rug , just a cover up not a solution . These problems have been plaguing the middle east for thousands of years.

P.S I am not a property speculator or flipper, I invested as an end user and will continue to pay for my units in many developments regardless of market conditions as I am not looking to make a quick buck, rather for family use. Problem is developers dont seem to want to build or give money back, even without interest

Nobody is denying there is a problem in Dubai. We cannot however close our eyes to the fact that we have invested in Dubai and we have a vested interest in seeing things improve. We have to try to be part of a solution rather than stay as part of a problem. Turning to specifics, look around Lawns IV and V, you will find several buildings from Damac and others ready to move in. If they can do it, surely DEC can do it provided ofcourse they have not shifted our money to build in Mumbai and Melbourne. RERA Chief often makes bold statements to the Press. So bring the problem to his notice and put some weight on your argument. I agree we cannot sove the problem of Dubai as a whole. However, if we concentrate on DEC, we can achieve a solution, we must achieve a solution because we need a solution. You need to have courage of conviction. This is an EXCELLENT FORUM and I urge all of you to air your grievances and make DEC do things for which they have been paid. RERA can bite DEC if they want to and I am sure if you are determined to get value for the money you have paid you will agree with me you need to keep on asking yourself "what have you done today to get closer to your aim" and your aim is to get DEC to deliver. Air your views in this FORUM, to the PRESS and above all both to DEC and RERA. DO NOT accept the argument "you cannot do anything" and go to "Sleep Mode".

I have invested in Lawns II. I received reply to my email from Mr. Marwan (CEO RERA) quote: My advice to you regarding DEC is to write to them to make sure that your property is registered with land dept and get proof of that or ask them to move you to other property within your budget.
The above reply does not solve anything for me. DEC once offered me to buy a mercedes (two bed) when I can only afford to have a bicycle (studio).

23 May 2011

Let's hope for positive move this time :)

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/images/consupdate/CU-2405111945DSC00213.JPG

http://www.dheerajeastcoast.com/content/Construction-Update-Images.aspx?CUID=457&pID=19

Can anyone assure me that this is Lawns iv site and that progress is being made on the project.
I did get e-mail from DEC few weeks ago assuring me construction had re-started with completion in around 18 months. Can anyone confirm?
Also have sent and now re-sent THREE times e-mail to RERA C.E.O. asking on situation regarding Lawns iv including SHOULD I GO AHEAD WITH PAYING THE 3,000 AED FOR INTERIM REGISTRATION. This is now well overdue for my payment. But he has not responded to these chase up e-mails despite responding to initial e-mail tating he would get back to me.
Should I pay the registration fee? Any advise now that construction APPEARS to be well under way at last.
Once built (looking on the positive side) should I try to sell up and getr out of Dubai property market, or do you think it will be good investment once built.
My concern is will it remain empty, no rent being generated and investers having to pay various fees to DEC.
Any views / answers apreciated

Can anyone assure me that this is Lawns iv site and that progress is being made on the project.
I did get e-mail from DEC few weeks ago assuring me construction had re-started with completion in around 18 months. Can anyone confirm?
Also have sent and now re-sent THREE times e-mail to RERA C.E.O. asking on situation regarding Lawns iv including SHOULD I GO AHEAD WITH PAYING THE 3,000 AED FOR INTERIM REGISTRATION. This is now well overdue for my payment. But he has not responded to these chase up e-mails despite responding to initial e-mail tating he would get back to me.
Should I pay the registration fee? Any advise now that construction APPEARS to be well under way at last.
Once built (looking on the positive side) should I try to sell up and getr out of Dubai property market, or do you think it will be good investment once built.
My concern is will it remain empty, no rent being generated and investers having to pay various fees to DEC.
Any views / answers apreciated

Quite frankly, I would not pay AED 3000 as Interim Regn fee. DEC have admitted the fee is only AED1000/- and the balance of AED2000 is their admin fee. If you pay them AED2000 and you are letting them get away with murder. More you pay them, more they will ask you to pay. You will find elsewhere in the forum, other developers e.g. Damac are asking for only AED1000. So why are DEC asking for AED3000. What special service are they giving us for this excessive charge. Do not set a bad example. Argue with them. Take them to RERA. Shout and scream but hold firm on your principle. Make them follow industry practice. Tell them, it is AED1000 or nothing. Their past record is dismal and who knows how far they are going to build and then stop. Their record of completed QUALITY projects is very poor indeed.

Quite frankly, I would not pay AED 3000 as Interim Regn fee. DEC have admitted the fee is only AED1000/- and the balance of AED2000 is their admin fee. If you pay them AED2000 and you are letting them get away with murder. More you pay them, more they will ask you to pay. You will find elsewhere in the forum, other developers e.g. Damac are asking for only AED1000. So why are DEC asking for AED3000. What special service are they giving us for this excessive charge. Do not set a bad example. Argue with them. Take them to RERA. Shout and scream but hold firm on your principle. Make them follow industry practice. Tell them, it is AED1000 or nothing. Their past record is dismal and who knows how far they are going to build and then stop. Their record of completed QUALITY projects is very poor indeed.

Well Said. Agreed 100%

Upadate on LAWNS II from RERA :
"The project is under review and has received cancellation notice for not progressing. So after that there will be several communication before we announce the official cancelation"

In case the project is cancelled, what are our options? Will they return our money (100%) or will they drag us further? Any information?

List of on hold projects (including lawns ii, iii, iv, v). http://www.arabianbusiness.com/the-a-z-of-construction-projects-on-hold-in-dubai-405580.html?page=7

List of on hold projects (including lawns ii, iii, iv, v). http://www.arabianbusiness.com/the-a-z-of-construction-projects-on-hold-in-dubai-405580.html?page=7

Those of you who are aware of the expressions used in the arny may have come across the expression "Missing in action, presumed dead". For the sake of argument, if we apply the same terminology to the situation facing us, can we say that these projects are "ON HOLD" and therefore presume they are on "INDEFINITE HOLD" and presumed "DEAD AND BURIED/CANCELLED". However facts speak otherwise. Having spoken to DEC in Dubai, my gut feeling is construction work at Lawns IV is up and running and the contractor for Lawns V is gathering his men and machinery to commence building work. INCIDENTALLY, THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IN OR AROUND DUBAI CAN DO THE FORUM A BIG FAVOUR BY VISITING SITES OF iv & v AND TELL US WHAT THE REAL TRUTH IS? It would appear we need to divide the projects in two categories i.e. (a) II and III ("on hold/presume dead/cancelled") and (b) Lawns IV & V ("still breathing/presume alive"). Before we can take the discussion forward, let us learn some facts from some decent forum members who can give us status reports on IV & V which are incidentally, just next door to each other.

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/housing-property/uae-approves-three-year-investor-visa-1.829266

Everyone seems to have gone quiet. Calling all those good people like bizzybonite, wac, ummbute, jasper1000, porshe911, burntfingers, salum2009 and others for some inputs. We definitely want to know what are DEC upto. I hear from grape wine, some of DEC's projects are on RERA's "Cancellation List" because of their financial inability to build and that is why they are desperately trying to flog off some of their units at DEC Towers, Marina Wharf ! and 2 at exhorbitant prices. Be warned. They will use all their tactics. Once they have taken your money, they won't like to know you. They are excellent sales people. It is a real pity we have been taken for a ride by them. By the way, does anyone know if there is a forum on Face Book or some other web site which gives more information on DEC.

Does anyone know if DEC are actually constructing any of their projects at the moment (other than perhaps MW2)?

Gents, new developments
I think DEC is out of Lawns projects.
I went by yesterday and took these photos
It seems Lawns 4 and 5 are combined into one project now.
The sign boards are on the same plot
Progress is upto the ground floor on the Lawns 4 side
Ofcourse, as usual, DEC is not answering questions

www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.171234529612425&type=1

(click on the link, as actual address is not the same as the text)