Well i think it is about time i post some pictures that i took while in Macedonia from June 26 to September 24:)
They'll be from Skopje and Ohrid since i didn't have the opportunity to go else where:( (I did go to Vienna on my way to Skopje, only went into the city for a few hours, i'll post those another time)

The first part will be from Skopje, mainly the central city part. Later days i'll post better ones from Skopje and Ohrid. But these are just to get the ball rolling.

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That's just a taste, there'll be more coming;) :scouserd:

It looks very clean but some of the facades need some sprucing-up. Keep them coming.

So THATS what Macedonia looks like :)

Anxious to see more. Good shots.

Good photos Dejan and welcome back.
In that first picture, is that Skopje's Main square?

Thank you all.
Yes some do NB i agree
Yes 'thats' what Macedonia looks like Dr. Mesofius:p
Thanks 7t, and yes that's Skopje's main square, going towards it.
I'll post some more in an hour!

@ new bulgaria where are those facades that need spurcing-up?

You can see the cross from anywhere in Skopje and here i'm looking at it from my balcony
http://i12.tinypic.com/2urlg5y.jpg

And here is the sun setting from the same balcony
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Skopje centre
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/dejan4/100_1717.jpg

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And some suburban pictures
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The main court house is seen here as well as the Macedonian radio and tv building to the left
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This Church was destroyed in the second world war now it's being reconstructed...it has great significance because on this place once a year in august i think, on 'golema bogoroditsa' or 'great/big mary' there's a large throng of people
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/dejan4/Picture26222890.jpg

There's this mountainous region north of Skopje called 'Skopje's Black Mound' and that's where i am right now with a cousin, going towards a monastery 'St. Archangel' very beautiful place
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Unfortunately it started to rain
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Then it stopped on the way back so we got out lol
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Is it to only me that the pictures arn't loading??

^^ Actually it's not just you !! I can't see them ither !! It could be somthing with photobucket !They were fine 2 hrs ago when i last checked them.Nice pics by the way.

Well good to know it isn't just me not seeing things:p hehe well anyway i guess it's up to photobucket??
I'll keep on posting anyway and hopefully they'll show:)

Part of the fortress, being reconstructered
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I think this was a Turkish bank
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Mosque being repaired
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Here i'm with my aunty in her suburb, in north-east Skopje, 'Madzari'
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Her street
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Here i'm in a village to the south of Skopje (towards Vodno the main mountain overlooking the city), 'Sopishte' i've got quite a few relatives here
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More of the central part of Skopje
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Well it looks like they're working...anyway i'll post more tomorrow!

Here i'm in a village to the south of Skopje (towards Vodno the main mountain overlooking the city), 'Sopishte' i've got quite a few relatives here


no kidding. I got a weekend house in Sopiste. they got some big plans for that area for very nice residential suburbs we'll see what happens.

great pics BTW. but aren't some of them repeating?

and damn Skopje is empty in summer it just freaks U out.

nice pics dejan keep them coming

Beautiful country. So the infrastructure is better than in Bulgaria?

It used to be but they are closing the gap in the last decade. I hope the new government here will keep its promise about increasing the capital expenditures. Also some EU funds are now more accesable by Macedonia since it gained the candidate status.

Yeah, it used to be, back in Yugoslavia days...but now Bulgarians are catching up, while among the ex-YU states, Macedonia counts for the country that , up to recently, has kind of been "standing still":(

But good photos , and hopefully there will be a lot more progress.
I heard our Delta is in talks to build a "DeltaCity" somewhere in Skoplje (like they are doing in Belgrade & Podgorica), anyone have more news about that?

By the way, one thing has been bugging me lately...when is KK Rabotnicki joining the Adriatic League already?:bash:

Very nice photos. I hope there will be some skyscrapers soon :D

After my visit to Ljubljana the previous summer, Skoplje is now the obvious next on the list:yes: Maybe as soon as this winter:)

Yeah, it used to be, back in Yugoslavia days...but now Bulgarians are catching up, while among the ex-YU states, Macedonia counts for the country that , up to recently, has kind of been "standing still":(

But good photos , and hopefully there will be a lot more progress.
I heard our Delta is in talks to build a "DeltaCity" somewhere in Skoplje (like they are doing in Belgrade & Podgorica), anyone have more news about that?

By the way, one thing has been bugging me lately...when is KK Rabotnicki joining the Adriatic League already?:bash:

Where did you get the idea that we were standing still??? We havent done that much, but compared to the rest ex-yu we have moved quite a lot. Excluding Slovenia and Croatia we did more than the others Im sure. For example when we left the federation we had around 100km freeway, and we should have 250km in a year time. We also built a ton of new local roads to support the decentralisation. A very expensive railway line towards BG was started but unfortunately its on stand-by now. Anyway quite a lot has been invested in it already. An oil pipeline from Solun to Skopje and a Gas pipeline from Bulgaria to Skopje. A huge dam has been built on river Treska and a lot of hydro-systems all over the country. A lot of high voltage powerlines also... It might not seem a lot but when you take into account the population and the area of the country it is not that bad.

About delta-city. I hear a lot of rumors for a long time now, but nothing certain yet. I hope they finalize their plans soon.

About Rabotnicki I really dont know. They arent that good anyway at the moment. Our national team is pretty good, but our league is under average :(

Nice pics Dejan, although u repeated the same ones over n over again ;)

Among the few things I learned from a Macedonian friend of mine (Aneta) were: 1. Macedonians really like to watch their soap-operas (telenovelas, eh? do you guys have any Colombian soap-operas like Cafe or Betty la fea? Aneta told me she used to watch soap-operas a lot, but mainly Mexican and Venezuelan...). 2. Caco (that's "what" in English, right?), that word sounds so funny! 3. People from that area (Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia) have an excellent accent to pronounce Spanish that sometimes you don't know they just know a couple of sentences... Go Macedonia!

Aneta! That's my sisters name lol did you speak to my sister?:D
And i'll post more better pictures today everyone, from Ohrid:)

Great pics Dejan.

Haven't seen you in a while here. But then again, I haven't been reading this forum as much as I used to, so maybe I have missed some of your posts.

Thanks!
Yeah i haven't been posting much since i got back...mainly coz the forums are a bit odd now:\ Well i'll post some more pictures now!

no kidding. I got a weekend house in Sopiste. they got some big plans for that area for very nice residential suburbs we'll see what happens.

great pics BTW. but aren't some of them repeating?

and damn Skopje is empty in summer it just freaks U out.
Yeah, my cousin told me that a German investor wants to build some sort of suburb called 'Sonchev Grad' 'Sun City' and he took me to the place where it should be built...well only wealthy people will be able to afford houses there and the view lol

Btw, sorry about some of the pictures repeating, i thought i deleted them so i uploaded them again...but they're still there...won't happen again!

Here are some more!

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/dejan4/Picture26222331.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/dejan4/100_0488.jpg

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St. Naum monastery
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More...

I think a Macedonian man who lives in Germany carved this, it's Saint Naum
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Saint Naums tomb is in there, and when you put your ear against the stone slab you can hear his heart...apparently, you put your left hand i think it was and put your head down then make a wish and mine came true lol:)
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And the last part for tonight...i'll post more tomorrow!

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nice pics

bravo be dejan, gledam si se kapel zad kale vo ohrid, kaj siptarine.

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Hey dejan, sorry for my delay in replying. Unless your sister is married (to a Macedonian guy), and immigrated to Canada in 2002, it's unlikely we're talking of the same person. Is Aneta an uncommon name or something? BTW I remember this Ukraninan lady telling me that her name, Oksana (spelling:dunno:), was pretty uncommon, but then I ended up meeting like 4 Oksanas in less than a year!

Ps. This is the kind of picture I like. Excellent scenery, and pretty girls :) (probably tourists, eh?).

^^ Oksana is one of the most popular female names in Ukraine :)

bravo be dejan, gledam si se kapel zad kale vo ohrid, kaj siptarine.
Pa na kaj tamu bev smesten, na Stiv Naumov ulica...a i bratucedite moi bea smesteni tamu isto, na Izvidnickiot kamp, dobro si bese:)

Hey dejan, sorry for my delay in replying. Unless your sister is married (to a Macedonian guy), and immigrated to Canada in 2002, it's unlikely we're talking of the same person. Is Aneta an uncommon name or something? BTW I remember this Ukraninan lady telling me that her name, Oksana (spelling:dunno:), was pretty uncommon, but then I ended up meeting like 4 Oksanas in less than a year!

Ps. This is the kind of picture I like. Excellent scenery, and pretty girls :) (probably tourists, eh?).
Nah we're not talking about the same Aneta hehe she's not married and doesn't live anywhere close to Canada lol, more like Australia:) Yeah Aneta isn't that much of a common name, i've rarely heard of it. However mine is common:) I guess it was just your luck meeting those Oksanas:p hehe
And I'm not sure whether those girls are tourists hehe possibly...

nice one dejan :okay:

great stuff dejan.

Keep them coming:)

No way it is not Macedonia! The letters in the shops arent greek! It must be Sjopje i guess.

No way it is not Macedonia! The letters in the shops arent greek! It must be Sjopje i guess.

:baeh3: :tongue: :toilet:

definetly uncalled for. what was the point in ruining a beautiful thread?

lol... djurob i wanna know where you get those "faces"?? i donno how to use them.

Yeah some people find it so hard to express their paranoia anyway here are some more from Macedonia:)
Continuing from Ohrid

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That's it for now. I'll post more later from Skopje.
I have some amazing video footage while driving from this place called Gradishte (i didn't have my camera to take photos!!), and it's really amazing with the sun setting behind the mountains reflecting on the lake, if i can somehow get it onto the computer i'll post it here.

Hey Dejan your Ohrid pics are great :)

About the video - why dont you put it on www.youtube.com and give us the link. Or video.google.com

Thanks!
Yeah once i figure out how to use the software for the camera properly i'll definitely put it on you tube and video google!!

Very nice pictures!

Macedonia is beautiful country :)

Top pics.

I see a few tasties in them too. :cool:

dejan, your photos make me want to visit so bad.

Time to update this topic.

Here i am on top of Kale, the ruins of the castle
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Then descending down to the older part of Skopje, to visit the church of Свети Спас, Saint Spas (Saviour/Salvation), which was built in the mid-early 19th (a Church previously was built in the mid 16th century) century and the locals bent their backs to save it in WWII.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/dejan4/100_1424.jpg

Some trendy stone work
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This is where Gotse Delchev's tomb is with his remains inside, in the peace and harmony that this church harbours
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The entrance, you walk down a flight of steps, two metres, watch your head!
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God
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Icons inside
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And framing the icons are some very beautiful 'iconostasis'
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Here are the three men who carved this all, from left to right;) Petre Filipovski, Marko Filipovski (from the village of Gari in Mala Reka (Small River) Western Macedonia) and Makarie Frchkovski from the village of Galichnik in Western Macedonia too
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Now i am in Skopje's main shopping small, Gradski Trgovski Centar, built in the 70's. Some old people like to complain that it isn't the one they remember when it was built:|

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In a trendy cafe, 'Blue Cafe'
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This is where the Swedish and Norwegian embassy is located, there's a post about it by djurob in the Skopje development thread i think
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Going back to my aunties place
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In the suburb of 'Singjelich' north east Skopje
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That's it for now...i think the last load of pictures will be from Ohrid:)

Nice pics dejan!! really nice country :) and skopje is nice too :)
that Shopping Center reminds me a bit of Centar Skenderija in Sarajevo : )

Thanks:) Yeah they're all eventually the same in the end:D

OMG ! Is Macedonia a developing or a developed country ??

I guess you could say it's both...somewhere in the middle, in some sectors it is developed, while in others it's developing.

OMG ! Is Macedonia a developing or a developed country ??

I'd say transitional. To be developing it should have been undeveloped before that which was not. However the transition is taking awfully long.

Oh and Dejan great great shots especially the last load. St. Spas was also cool I was thinking all along that it's forbidden to take pictures of the enterior. Did U sneak those shots or am I wrong about this?

Is Gradski Trgovski Centar the shopping center Skopjians used to be proud of? I remember going to some conference as a student at which there were representatives from Macedonia. They told us about some glitzy shopping center in Skopje, which Sofia could not dream about and we all wondered what it was. That was many years ago though.

Is Gradski Trgovski Centar the shopping center Skopjians used to be proud of? I remember going to some conference as a student at which there were representatives from Macedonia. They told us about some glitzy shopping center in Skopje, which Sofia could not dream about and we all wondered what it was. That was many years ago though.

probably have in mind that it was constructed in the beggining of the 70s and it was on par with any western shopping center altough its concept is different. It's opened and its intended to be part of a pedestrian zone cause it's on a major route from the train station to the central square. So basicaly it's a pedestrian area with shops.
The 'coolest' trivia about it is that when it was build it had more escalators than all the rest of Yugoslavia :D. It's location the proximity to the river quay, the centreal pedestrian zone, a nice central park still give it lots of importance to the city and is always jammed with people. Alotugh it's old now it's well maintained and it looks good but it's obvious it's from another era.

probably have in mind that it was constructed in the beggining of the 70s and it was on par with any western shopping center altough its concept is different. It's opened and its intended to be part of a pedestrian zone cause it's on a major route from the train station to the central square. So basicaly it's a pedestrian area with shops.
The 'coolest' trivia about it is that when it was build it had more escalators than all the rest of Yugoslavia :D. It's location the proximity to the river quay, the centreal pedestrian zone, a nice central park still give it lots of importance to the city and is always jammed with people. Alotugh it's old now it's well maintained and it looks good but it's obvious it's from another era.

Cool. I love the escalator trivia. TZUM (www.tzum.bg), the central department store is Sofia, was the only store with escalators in Bulgaria and I always thought that they were so cool. Every time my parents would take me to Sofia as a kid, I would go to TZUM and ride the escalators. Loved it!!!Those were the days.

Cool. I love the escalator trivia. TZUM (www.tzum.bg), the central department store is Sofia, was the only store with escalators in Bulgaria and I always thought that they were so cool. Every time my parents would take me to Sofia as a kid, I would go to TZUM and ride the escalators. Loved it!!!Those were the days.

:lol: yeah. in a way we all miss'em don't we. In former Yugoslavia we always had these rides for kids, like a horse or a car where U sit in it, insert a coin and it basically shakes around and makes sounds for 3-4mins. That was my highlight in malls and shopping centers. Did U have those things in BG?

EDIT: I'm not sure if I phrased it right. The trivia is that this single shopping mall in Skopje had more escalators than all the other escalators in all other places in YU put together. That's why it's so cool :D.

:lol: yeah. in a way we all miss'em don't we. In former Yugoslavia we always had these rides for kids, like a horse or a car where U sit in it, insert a coin and it basically shakes around and makes sounds for 3-4mins. That was my highlight in malls and shopping centers. Did U have those things in BG?

Yes, but they were always a lot more popular on the coast because of the tourists.

Great pics Dejan... isnt Sidgjelich (Sindzelik) practically a village which has been swollowed up by Skopje??

Anyways, im interested to know, how many automatic opening doors is there in Skopje? are they common nowdays?? i remember they had one in Ohrid in the late 90s when i went there once, but they removed it cause all the kids kept walking upto the store just so the door can automatically open for them lol, the owners got really pissed off i guess lol.

Great pics Dejan... isnt Sidgjelich (Sindzelik) practically a village which has been swollowed up by Skopje??

Anyways, im interested to know, how many automatic opening doors is there in Skopje? are they common nowdays?? i remember they had one in Ohrid in the late 90s when i went there once, but they removed it cause all the kids kept walking upto the store just so the door can automatically open for them lol, the owners got really pissed off i guess lol.

Yes its true about Singelic

About the doors :nuts: Yes there are a lot and I dont think they can be counted coz they are at every step. This is not Afganistan man... And those doors are not such a incredible achivement to have.

Great pics Dejan... isnt Sidgjelich (Sindzelik) practically a village which has been swollowed up by Skopje??

Anyways, im interested to know, how many automatic opening doors is there in Skopje? are they common nowdays?? i remember they had one in Ohrid in the late 90s when i went there once, but they removed it cause all the kids kept walking upto the store just so the door can automatically open for them lol, the owners got really pissed off i guess lol.

lol, no GM it's not like that... automatic doors are a normal thing and I think they always been at least in SK they just weren't as common.

EDIT: Damn Relaek we replied almost simultaniosly

Realek, although ive been to MK in 1999 and 2004 latest... i havent visited Skopje since 1995, and back then they didnt even have ATM (bankomati) and the auto/door thingy yes it was almost unseen since in the 1980s only Belgrade had a few i think in their McDonald store.

Realek, although ive been to MK in 1999 and 2004 latest... i havent visited Skopje since 1995, and back then they didnt even have ATM (bankomati) and the auto/door thingy yes it was almost unseen since in the 1980s only Belgrade had a few i think in their McDonald store.

ATM is a much more sophistaced thing than an automatic door man. ATMs were introduced in MK with the reintroduction of credit cards (till 1991 I think we hade only American Express and VISA than we had nothing for several years and MasterCard was than introduced in 1996 by Komercijalna Banka).
Anyways automatic door is only a door with a movement sensor really the cheapest thing in the world. One that imidiately comes to my mind is the Pelagonija building cause my aunt used to work there, but there were more I just never thought of counting them :lol:

This is funny: since when is prosperity measured by the number of automatically opening doors?

This is funny: since when is prosperity measured by the number of automatically opening doors?

lol maybe we should count the light switch sensors too

That is not true for automatic doors in ex-yu, my town (Banja Luka) in early 80´s had at least 20 of this doors

true :)

Oh and Dejan great great shots especially the last load. St. Spas was also cool I was thinking all along that it's forbidden to take pictures of the enterior. Did U sneak those shots or am I wrong about this?
Nah, the 'tour man' who was there asked where we were from and said that we could take pictures of the place inside to take back and show off:) It was very nice of him....i got a lot of pictures of all the carved wood everywhere! I'm gonna go through the cd's again to pick out some more pictures i've missed actually.

That is not true for automatic doors in ex-yu, my town (Banja Luka) in early 80´s had at least 20 of this doors

Damn! You were really developed then. :)

what a discussion :)... EE to the core

Damn! You were really developed then. :)
well for bulgaria yes! and i was just making comment that in Yugoslavia only Mcdonald's in Belgrade in 80´s had a automatic door.

This is funny: since when is prosperity measured by the number of automatically opening doors?

And where did i say that auto/doors are a measure of prosperity?? it was just a simple question, i was curious to know if they are common in MK nowdays since they wernt 10years ago. However little technological things like this somtimes do indicate the technological development of a country. Here is another question; Do people in MK get their pays in cash or do they go straight to the bank via employer?

GM please dont take it as an offense, but you obviously have little knowledge of the situation in Macedonia. People have been getting their salaries on bank accounts since the mid-80's. About the doors, I hate to bring it up again, but I dont agree that it is such an indicator of development. As it has been said already, they are a very simple thing. Anyhow, those doors were present in large numbers since the 80's especially in administrative buildings of companies. Just because you didnt see them it doesnt mean thet they werent there.

Realek... regarding my knowledge of Macedonia, its better than most people who live there, believe it or not.

People have not been getting their salaries on bank accounts, Gruevski is trying to implement this procedure in the public administration at the moment but has serious oposition regarding this for some reason. Everyone in MK ive ever spoken to gets payed in cash on hand. Im very well aware of the situation in MK and the rest of the balkans and i can honestly say that technologically wise they were miles behind from "the west" until a few years ago, now things are improving though but the balkan countries still have a long way to go, except maybe Greece. If you think im clueless, your wrong coz im very well aware of such issues, e.g how most of the rural municipalities in Macedonia still lack computers and do their work on paper.

P.S: You guys took the question regarding the auto/doors way out of context. It was just a simple question thats all.

@ GM

You are confusing the issues man. Gruevski is trying to implement mandatory credit cards for employees of the public administration, nothing more. Most people have been receiving their salaries on bank accounts since the mid 80's like I said. That was when they introduced checks for payments and money withdrawals in every day life. Since then a lot of people have obtained credit cards also. Gruevski just wants to make this obligatory for the administration.

@GM

GM U mixed up things. Public administration has always been getting their salaries through bank accounts even in communism. What Gruevski is trying to launch now is a national card (debut or credit card not sure) in connection to the accounts of the administration in order to increase the "bezgotovinsko plakjanje" and decrease the amount of denars out in the open.
Most of the comanies who pay the taxes for their workers (pension, social and health insuraance) also give out salaries through banks. It's the black market labour that gets the money on hand mostely.

Damn REALEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U beat me by 1 minute again :lol:

^^

Credit cards not debut. Its great for the banks if noone else. The interest, the membership... Great progress :|

Thanks for moving it unknown mod;)

Is something wrong with the forum? I saw this in phototeka now it's back in EE?

Ok guys im sorry, i misunderstood it then. You must be right about the black market thing, they get cash on hand.. but my uncle works in Zastava Ohrid and he gets payed in cash aswell, along with a few more people i know so i guess i assumed thats how most people get payed. I was confused at first at what exactly Gruevski is trying to do, so i assumed that he was trying to get the administration to accept their wages to go straight to a bank account.. although i still dont get what exactly he is trying to do, even after dewrob and realek tryed to explain it to me.

Beautiful pictures, is that lake is, Lake Prespa? Loved the lake side towns, looks like sea side!

It's Lake Ohrid:) I didn't get to go to Lake Prespa. But yes it does look like the sea side in a way, thanks!

I'll post the last load in the coming week.

nice..Virgin pics of Macedonia and nature there...nice ...I would like to visit ...it supposed to be cheap services for me I guess , can someone post here prices of bread, beer etc...thx
Better to go East where is cheap like to West where coffe cost 5 euro like in GB ...for 5 euro I can have in midlle of Slovakia in pub 7-8 lagers or 6 good Wienna coffes..

nice..Virgin pics of Macedonia and nature there...nice ...I would like to visit ...it supposed to be cheap services for me I guess , can someone post here prices of bread, beer etc...thx
Better to go East where is cheap like to West where coffe cost 5 euro like in GB ...for 5 euro I can have in midlle of Slovakia in pub 7-8 lagers or 6 good Wienna coffes..

yeah it's not expencive Marek from what I know rather similar to Slovakia (cause a friend was in Bratislava recently).

Bread is 0.3-0.5EUR
Beer (0.5l) is 0.3-0.5EUR in a store and 1-1.5EUR in a pub/bar/cafe.
Coffies are around 0.9-1.2EUR

any other prices U want to know U can ask.

Better to go East where is cheap like to West where coffe cost 5 euro like in GB ...for 5 euro I can have in midlle of Slovakia in pub 7-8 lagers or 6 good Wienna coffes..

:laugh: It's not quite that expensive here in GB, coffee is more like 2-3 Euro.

Macedonia looks great, it's a part of the Balkans that we never seem to hear about oevr here. Everybody knows Croatia and Slovenia and even Montenegro gets more tourist publicity but Ohrid looks beautiful and Skopje looks much nicer than i'd imagined from stories i've heard.

Macedonia looks beautiful! :cheers:

Everything seems so poor.
Nice thread by the way.

Hello, i'll be posting the last lot of photos now.

Bus station Skopje
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Ohrid
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At a beach
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;)
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More to come soon

Everything seems so poor.
Nice thread by the way.
Coz macedonia didn´t have luck as some other european countries.

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Towards the fortress walls
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Reconstructed church of Saints Panteleimon and Kliment Ohridski. On this site over a thousand years ago Saint Kliment established his literary school and a hospital. Construction is starting for a Theology faculty and floating museum around this year to resurrect Saint Kliment's old ideas. I really like the way this Church has been styled...inside some old parts are retained while in other areas it is entire new....there are windows on the floor that shows small type tunnels that seem to be the foundations
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And here are Saint Kliment's relics or bones, they were moved from the Church up above to this one here. (sorry about the whitened figure, it's my sister)
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This was a really nice day....2 young brothers were playing on their kaval's (http://macedoniadirect.com/instruments/kaval.htm) and it was a very beautiful setting, so calm because that's how the music is from a kaval. So calm, the lake stretched out below, the sun was setting and the music in the background.
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Tried to get a night picture but that's as good as i could get
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Going towards Struga
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Monastery on the way
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Too bad it poured down when we got there
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At Izgrev, past Struga
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And this is at a beach at Ohrid
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Roman basillica, next to the reconstructered church up above
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Going up towards Samuil's castle
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At the top here, the church below (the one i just posted) suddenly began to ring the bell and it was really cool standing up there hearing the sound echoing around the entire lake...too bad i didn't have my video camera to record it all, but i did get a bit of it on the camera, just have to see how i can upload it, i'll have to try you tube
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Careful not to fall!
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Back in Skopje
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That's it.

great pics Dejan is from your trip or you living in Macedonia?
btw was Macedonia before part of Yugoslavia?
and I think that in Macedonia life going Easy , is hard to live there?

btw was Macedonia before part of Yugoslavia?

yeah it was Marek.

and I think that in Macedonia life going Easy , is hard to live there?

it's not easy, but not particulary harder than in most EE countries. But U got it right, life is going easy, the mentality compensates for the harsh economic conditions. U can hear people whine often, but at the end of the day they still enjoy life.

:cheers:

great pics Dejan is from your trip or you living in Macedonia?

Thanks Marek, and yes it's from my trip to Macedonia, i live in Australia.

Awesome pictures of a beautiful country...!

yeah it's not expencive Marek from what I know rather similar to Slovakia (cause a friend was in Bratislava recently).

Bread is 0.3-0.5EUR
Beer (0.5l) is 0.3-0.5EUR in a store and 1-1.5EUR in a pub/bar/cafe.
Coffies are around 0.9-1.2EUR

any other prices U want to know U can ask.


How about hotels, hostels? The price of a cab fare and can people speak english? Are people friendly?

Very nice pictures of Macedonia

How about hotels, hostels? The price of a cab fare and can people speak english? Are people friendly?

hotels are expensive in general. U can probably find decent accommodation nowdays for ~30-40EUR.

Cab fares are dirt cheap. Just make sure they rub their meters, cause otherwise they might rip you off.

People are definitely friendly and U won't have problem finding people who speak English. Most young people do but it's common among older ones as well (40-50 age).

Great photos Dejan! Macedonia is beautiful!

:) I'm pleasantly surprised. I somehow thought that Macedonia is a poor country, but from your pics, it doesn't really look much worse than Estonia.

Aww, so beautiful! :) Too bad there's no Dejan on the pix. :ohno: :P


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/dejan4/100_2174.jpgLOL, this guy looks like having his balls out. :lol:

^^

where have you been looking naughty boy :nono: :D

How about hotels, hostels? The price of a cab fare and can people speak english? Are people friendly?
www.skopjeonline.com.mk has information on hotels as well as http://www.skopjehotels.com.mk/ that's just in Skopje however and the people are always friendly.
Very nice pictures of Macedonia
Thanks!
Great photos Dejan! Macedonia is beautiful!
Thank you:)

:) I'm pleasantly surprised. I somehow thought that Macedonia is a poor country, but from your pics, it doesn't really look much worse than Estonia.
Glad to hear:)

Aww, so beautiful! :) Too bad there's no Dejan on the pix. :ohno: :P


Oh don't worry, dejan's coming, you just be ready when he does:D :tongue2:

where have you been looking naughty boy :nono: :DThere as always. :lol: When it's so obvious. :D

Oh don't worry, dejan's coming, you just be ready when he does:D :tongue2:Dejan's cuming? :D

^^Ohh wait, i put myself out there writing it like that haha there's always a second meaning these days:p

Beautiful photos dejan, very real and natural... one can almost feel the atmosphere.

Plus, Macedonia is my favorite Yugoslavian country. :)

^^And Bosnia mine heh:)

Great pictures!! I have visited 95% of the places you posted, so the pictures have even more meaning to me (memories factored in). Good job!

Pics are nice. Some very good nature shots. But..

It used to be but they are closing the gap in the last decade. I hope the new government here will keep its promise about increasing the capital expenditures. Also some EU funds are now more accesable by Macedonia since it gained the candidate status.

Dude it's time to leave the Yugo-dimension and get back to reality.

Great pictures!! I have visited 95% of the places you posted, so the pictures have even more meaning to me (memories factored in). Good job!
Thanks dude:) Looking at them again i wish i was there:)

Dude it's time to leave the Yugo-dimension and get back to reality.

Umm, Macedonia has more motorways considering its size than Bulgaria.

Bulgaria motorways:
sections in service:
Trakiya - 280km
Hemus - 130km
Struma -20km
Cherno more- 10km
Maritza - 40km

Total : 480km - this is data from 2006 and 2007 without the sections that should be ready by the end of 2008.

How did you count that we have less motorways? What should it means considering its size. It's not my problem that you're both livin in midget countries.

And let Realek tell when was built the last rail road in Macedonia .
Bulgaria has several harbours and shipyards on Danube, two big on Black sea and massive railroad system + developed air transport.
And some dude is telling me that we are "closing the gap" because Macedonia should have about 240 km motorway by the end of the year. For a country with 1-2 airports, without any transport rivers or seaports that should be some unheard of achievement.
And that's of course if we talk about transport infrastructure. I don't think that we could even compete on any other infrastructure since Macedonia already has a "big dam".
Oh now I see "Ljubljana" another one from the matrix :lol:

Total : 480kmAs much as the midget Slovenia. Interesting. :)

How did you count that we have less motorways? What should it means considering its size. It's not my problem that you're both livin in midget countries.It's not my problem you live in a huge country (midget compared to Russia). Are you saying that India has a better motorway infrastructure than Bulgaria just b/c it has more motorways overall?

Bulgaria has several harbours and shipyards on Danube, two big on Black sea and massive railroad system + developed air transport.Well, Macedonia obviously cannot have any port on the Black- or any other sea, and neither on the Danube or any other large river, right? Considering air transport, they have intl. airports, don't they? And railways to Serbia and Greece. Route towards Albania isn't so important yet anyway, and there also isn't any railway to Bulgaria (except through Serbia), just like there's no railway from Bulgaria to Macedonia and Albania (except through Serbia).

^^

Verso are you actually gonna get into this? :)

Exactly because Macedonia doesn't have any harbours or seaports that means it's normal to stake on highways. I think I wrote it clear enough. But I don't see how their transport infrastructure is more developed. I'm not saying that Macedonia is rail-roads isolated. I just asked when was built the last rail road there. So there's no need to interpret my words.
I'm saying that Bulgaria has a massive inner rail-road system. I guess many times bigger that one in Slovenia. I think you know that most of the cargo transportation anywhere is made by ships and trains.
And I'm glad you have 480 km highways ,but your fridges still suck :D

^^Verso are you actually gonna get into this? :)

Yeah, like I'm the one who started. Funny guys.

@ Verso :okay:
But like dewrob said, don't waste your time with this clown.

Interesting words from the Serbian Asterix. :lol:
If I'm clown you're an entire freak show :weird:

edit: I'm out of the discussion coz we're ruin the thread. But I'm not the one who started the analysis at first place.

^^ really a clown...
u came only to provoke?

Bratstvo,Jedinstvo finally!?! Man i have tears in my eyes!

:rofl:

edit: I'm out of the discussion coz we're ruin the thread. But I'm not the one who started the analysis at first place.Realek explained the situation very well.

Exactly because Macedonia doesn't have any harbours or seaports that means it's normal to stake on highways.Yeah, b/c Bulgarians take boat to get to Vienna or Istanbul. :hilarious

I think I wrote it clear enough. But I don't see how their transport infrastructure is more developed.In today's world roads are the ones really important (and HSR, but Bulgaria doesn't have that either) and Macedonia clearly has more motorways.

I'm not saying that Macedonia is rail-roads isolated. I just asked when was built the last rail road there. So there's no need to interpret my words.Who cares when the last railway was built, important is what's at hand. And yes, Bulgarian railway network is better than the Macedonian one, but as I said, roads are more important.

I'm saying that Bulgaria has a massive inner rail-road system. I guess many times bigger that one in Slovenia.Considering both countries' sizes - no.

And I'm glad you have 480 km highways ,but your fridges still suck :DThat's why Gorenje exports 99 %. :)

Yeah, b/c Bulgarians take boat to get to Vienna or Istanbul. :hilarious


I'm talking about cargo transports smartguy. I guess the 99% export of Gorenie goes with Zastava cars :lol: And we have enough roads besides motorways,and far more complicated relief. And we have enough transport connections to Instanbul and Viena including roads and rail roads.

sorry last post

Verso just don't take it too serious man,cos I see that you start to write some major bullshit...

^ Like?

Verso obviously u don´t know those kind. It is useless.

Well,don't get me wrong but from post to post one starts to feel the "Yugo arrogance".
And yes Macedonia has more motorways than Bulgaria and Serbia country size...

Well,don't get me wrong but from post to post one starts to feel the "Yugo arrogance".

What "Yugo arrogance"? All I see is "Bugo arrogance". :lol: :D All Realek said is that Macedonia's infrastructure is still better than Bulgaria's, but that Bulgaria is closing the gap anyway, so what's the problem?

blue79 you're right.
And also Serbia has 100km more expressways than Bulgaria but 500km less rail roads. But I think that doesn't matter in this thread- the important think is to talk how Bulgaria is far more undeveloped in transportation than Macedonia. I think that was the point of the analysis to start.

"Bugo" - haha go cry over some Tito portrait.

^ Yeah, started by a Ukrainian...

Remainings from the Panslavism bullshit may be?

What "Yugo arrogance"? All I see is "Bugo arrogance". :lol: :D All Realek said is that Macedonia's infrastructure is still better than Bulgaria's, but that Bulgaria is closing the gap anyway, so what's the problem?

First what "better infrastructure" means-better as the condition of the infrastructure,or it's density,or both,or...?

^ Look, Realek said that Macedonia's infrastructure had USED to be better than Bulgaria's, but the gap is pretty much closed now. I really don't see any problem here.

Remainings from the Panslavism bullshit may be?Yes, including Bulgarians. :doh:

Ivanski, was this your last post here? :lol:

Anyway, I'm outta here...

Bulgarians were completely f*cked by the Panslavism political flows , but let's not turn the thread into history.
That's my last honestly :)

Bulgarians were completely f*cked by the Panslavism political flows , but let's not turn the thread into history.
That's my last honestly :)
Yes and i hope it's the last in any Macedonia related topic, so please leave my topic alone. I am asking nicely, just leave it.

Ljudi, gde se izgubio makedonski odeljak foruma? Nisam bio neko vreme, i sad sam iznenadjen jer nisam mogao da ga nadjem. Moze li neko da mi objasni? :( Dajte, pa ako nema makedonaca koji ce da se ukljuce u odrzavanje treada, mozda mozemo da doprinesemo mi braca iz okolnih zemalja da se tread pokrene. Bar se iz Srbije dosta putuje u makedoniju :) Evo, bugare vidim gde god se pojavi tema o makedoniji, tu je i po neki slovenac ljubitelj, nadje se i neki hrvat, bosanac, crnogorac... A o srbijancima da ne pricam... :) Osim toga, mozda tako pokrenemo i makedonce da posle sami preuzmu svoj odeljak, kad budu poceli da se pojavljuju u vecem broju.

Closed due to "inactivity" and constant fights with Greeks and not just them. Singidunum will know more, he posted on this issue a couple of times.