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archd1
October 10th, 2006, 06:34 AM
MTA to Run Orange Line Busway to Chatsworth
Buoyed by the route's success, the agency will extend the line six miles from Woodland Hills.
By Jean Guccione, Times Staff Writer
September 29, 2006

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The little transit line that could is about to get bigger.

The Orange Line, the busway between North Hollywood and Woodland Hills that has broken ridership projections since it opened last fall, will be extended six miles to Chatsworth under a plan approved Thursday by the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority board.
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The Orange Line carries about 20,000 people a day — three times more than transit officials expected.

Though not the busiest transit line in Los Angeles County — that honor belongs to the Red Line subway — the Orange Line was much cheaper to build than rail. The expansion will cost $135 million and should be completed in 2012.
"We have an opportunity to do something to build on the Orange Line's success," said county Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, an MTA board member.

The MTA board was under pressure to act quickly or risk losing $98 million in state funds that were dedicated in 2000 to improving north-south traffic flow in the San Fernando Valley. The money must be allocated by Jan. 1, 2009.

Board members voted unanimously to begin work to extend the Orange Line along Canoga Avenue from Warner Center in Woodland Hills to the Chatsworth Metrolink station.

They also instructed MTA staff to study the feasibility of stretching the Orange Line farther north to the 118 Freeway and building a park-and-ride lot there.
In addition, the board began the process of creating bus-only lanes on parts of Van Nuys Boulevard, among other proposed road improvements for that region, as part of its effort to improve public transit in the Valley.

"We are trying to address the north-south issues," said MTA board member Richard Katz, referring to the plan to allocate millions of dollars to road improvements on Lankershim, Van Nuys, Sepulveda and Reseda boulevards.

Transit agency staff recommended against seeking federal funds for those projects because the application process could delay construction, jeopardizing the state money.

Kymberleigh Richards, chairwoman of the MTA's Valley advisory council, questioned the board's spending priorities. Improved bus service on bustling Van Nuys Boulevard should be the agency's top priority in the region, she said.

"Shouldn't we be making those decisions based on where our passengers are already?" Richards asked in an interview before the meeting.

MTA estimates show that bus-only lanes would increase boardings along Van Nuys Boulevard by 14,400 annually while the Orange Line extension would draw 4,000 more boardings per year.

But Yaroslavsky disputed those numbers. He said those estimates were several years old and failed to take into account the Orange Line's success.

Transit officials hope that extending the line will lure more commuters out of their cars and onto buses.

Rick Sagerman used to drive half an hour from his Newbury Park home to his sales job in Burbank. Since his car broke down six weeks ago, he has spent 90 minutes each morning on a train and two buses.

"It's not horrible," he said, as he waited at the Metrolink station in Chatsworth last week, his back to the bright afternoon sun.

With better connections, though, he said, he would do it every day. "If I could get on the Orange Line here [to Burbank] and walk two blocks to my office, I would switch, absolutely."

Since the busway opened last October, ridership has surpassed the agency's 15-year projection, reaching a record 21,828 average weekday boardings in May.

Orange Line riders can now travel from Lankershim Boulevard in North Hollywood to Warner Center in less than an hour; the additional six miles to Chatsworth would take 10 to 14 minutes, according to MTA staff.

More commuters, however, still rely on buses traveling along Van Nuys Boulevard, where MTA officials counted more than 25,000 average daily boardings from January to March, the latest ridership statistics available.

Improving bus service in the Valley has been a priority for years. The MTA has added red Rapid buses, which stop less frequently, along a few major streets.

But riders say traffic congestion slows them down.

"I think it's just the name," said Leticia Meneses, 36, of Van Nuys, referring to the Rapid bus line. "It doesn't go that fast."

As she sat waiting on a Rapid bus, Meneses, a housekeeper in Bel-Air, said she liked the idea of dedicating a traffic lane to buses only. "I think it will help," she said.

Some local merchants, however, oppose removing street parking to make room for bus-only lanes, even if it is during rush hours only.

"Of course, it's going to affect our business," said Mike Shary, who manages the Van Nuys Mart, which sells bright blue and red luggage, white athletic socks and baseball caps. The store is on Van Nuys near Victory Boulevard.

Without street parking, Shary predicted, his customers would shop elsewhere. "They would go to the big shopping centers like Wal-Mart," he said.

Extending the Orange Line along Canoga Avenue would be much more expensive than the proposed street improvements elsewhere.

But MTA staff believe that the extension is more attainable than the smaller projects because the MTA already owns the land.

The staff members expressed concern that disgruntled business owners and city traffic engineers opposed to dedicated bus lanes would hold up the proposal, endangering the state money.

With the Orange Line, "we don't have to remove parking. We don't have to remove any traffic," said Carol Inge, the MTA's chief planning officer.

Chatsworth resident Art Wyckoff said that extending the Orange Line would improve service for him and other transit-dependent residents of the northwest Valley, where bus service is sparse after 8 p.m.

"It would help my social life immensely," said Wyckoff, 52.

Fern~Fern*
October 10th, 2006, 06:54 AM
It's about time the MTA offers more bus service to the NW SF Valley.....

klamedia
October 11th, 2006, 07:02 AM
oi......

Fern~Fern*
October 15th, 2006, 02:59 AM
The successful Orange Line is being extended.......... Where are all the Bus riders at????

Joey313
October 15th, 2006, 03:41 AM
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godblessbotox
October 15th, 2006, 04:31 AM
thats a lovely bus

Fern~Fern*
October 15th, 2006, 08:27 AM
:banana:



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^^ What happened to the wheels on this particular bus?

DonQui
October 15th, 2006, 08:29 AM
If it is really is this successful, when is it going to be converted to rail?

Fern~Fern*
October 15th, 2006, 08:40 AM
If it is really is this successful, when is it going to be converted to rail?




This is where it's pretty much headed, just need to get some more funds and more cooperation from the SF Valley residents and is a go ahead. So for now it will remain a Busway across the SF.

klamedia
October 15th, 2006, 01:37 PM
If it is really is this successful, when is it going to be converted to rail?


If all corridors were only deemed successful because they reach the capacity #'s of heavy rail or lrt, we wouldn't have successful feeder lines, which essentially is what the Orange Line is in it's essence.

croyboy
October 15th, 2006, 07:37 PM
this extension, to me, might make it more UNLIKELY to be converted to rail... i mean why extend if you're going to dig it up again?

what seems more reasonable, to me, is to extend the red line in a different direction. north then west sounds logical to me because you are spending money and getting a new croud while keeping the other crowd instead of spending money and it's the same old people.

you would further reduce traffic this way (especially through the bottleneck between the valley and the rest of los angeles).

maybe on it's turn west it can intersect the orange line toward the top of the valley

if the orange line is to be converted, it should remain a separate line from the red line... where it intersects the NOHO station, it should be extended east to burbank and then head to glendale. from there, downtown is waiting just to the south. that hits 3 city-centers with one line.

but what do you guys think?

Fern~Fern*
October 15th, 2006, 07:52 PM
^^ That's where it becomes a Lil' sketchy when it comes to servicing Burbank, Glendale, & N. LA. I keep hearing about the proposed Yellow Line from NO HO to Downtown that would service those cities I mentioned. Then I hear about extend the Orange Line into Pasadena. What's more likely to happen quicker, Orange Liner or Light Rail to cover this route?

croyboy
October 15th, 2006, 10:53 PM
true... like i said: IF it gets converted to anything

klamedia
October 17th, 2006, 12:48 AM
As a bus transitway it seems to be doing fine. Though from what I read, PasBurDale want (ideally) a rail line. The Valley fucked themselves......again.

godblessbotox
October 17th, 2006, 01:23 AM
how did pasburdale fuck themselves? by wanting to extent the busway? and as independent cities [correct me if im wrong] couldnt they just say we want our own train and make one without waiting for the MTA?

i must say i dont know what im talking about, just wondering

GilbyDM101
October 17th, 2006, 02:00 AM
The San Fernando Valley is part of L.A. city. They are not indepedent cities.

godblessbotox
October 17th, 2006, 02:04 AM
burbank pasadena and glandale are not...

archd1
October 17th, 2006, 07:30 AM
I thought once ridership doubles to 44,000 then it would be feasible to convert the busway to rail....which according to the MTA will take another 10years to happen. I hope their projection is wrong just like before...

Everybody seems to want rail nowadays...The Gold line Foothill extension, Gold line extension to Whittier, Rep. Jane Harman lobbying to extend the Green line to LAX, Council member Rosendahl lobbying to link the Green Line to the Expo line (which was recently approved by the city council for further studies) and of course the priority project: extend the Expo line to Santa Monica.... the fact that rail is even being discussed by our polticians is unbelievable.....

Fern~Fern*
October 17th, 2006, 08:23 AM
As a bus transitway it seems to be doing fine. Though from what I read, PasBurDale want (ideally) a rail line. The Valley fucked themselves......again.



^^ Huh? are you referring to the SF Valley, right? I lost you here?

klamedia
October 17th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Yes, I was referring to the SF Valley, known worldwide as "The Valley". They had a chance to have a subway, fucked themselves there. They had a chance to have Light Rail, fucked themselves there. So they tore up the tracks and paved it for a busway that is nearing capacity and soon will need to be converted...what?..back to rail.....ahhh......the Valley.

The MTA is a countywide entity.

godblessbotox
October 17th, 2006, 08:41 PM
i see, so its not just the city. im guessing your reference to the subway was some sort of extention to the redline?

Fern~Fern*
October 19th, 2006, 05:34 AM
Yes, I was referring to the SF Valley, known worldwide as "The Valley". They had a chance to have a subway, fucked themselves there. They had a chance to have Light Rail, fucked themselves there. So they tore up the tracks and paved it for a busway that is nearing capacity and soon will need to be converted...what?..back to rail.....ahhh......the Valley.

The MTA is a countywide entity.




^^ Wow, "The Valley" might be getting rail, hip hip hooray!
Way to go 818ers!

Elsongs
October 19th, 2006, 07:47 AM
I biked along the "Orange Line" route (it's not a REAL Metro line!) on Saturday and saw the buses trundle slowly alongside me. They really need to make that thing light rail one day. Some parts of the right of way are wide enough that they can run the busway service while they construct a LRT line. I'm sure some sort of plan would be in place to maintain buswa service while they build an LRT line.

klamedia
October 19th, 2006, 06:17 PM
The surrounding neighbors fought viciously to keep LRT out of their neighborhood, replete with signs in their yards! Stupid fux!

croyboy
October 19th, 2006, 09:33 PM
I biked along the "Orange Line" route (it's not a REAL Metro line!) on Saturday and saw the buses trundle slowly alongside me. They really need to make that thing light rail one day. Some parts of the right of way are wide enough that they can run the busway service while they construct a LRT line. I'm sure some sort of plan would be in place to maintain buswa service while they build an LRT line.

if it is to be any rail, it should be separate grade whether above or below ground