First up the Westpac stadium (cake tin) in Wellington, capacity: 35,000

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/westpacstadium.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/wellington_westpac3.jpg

Waikato stadium in Hamilton, capacity: 28,000 , 20,000 seats

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/hamilton_waikato11.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/hamilton_waikato.jpg

North Harbour stadium in Auckland, capacity:25,000 , 19,000 seats

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/north_harbour.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/northharbour1.gif

Mount Smart stadium in Auckland, capacity: 35,000 , 27,000 seats

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/ericsson3.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/auckland_ericsson1.jpg

Eden park at current state in Auckland, capacity: 45,000

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/eden1.jpg

Proposed $380 million upgrade in time for RwC, capacity: 60,000

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/abca8e711f1299519bcc1.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/edenpark21-1.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/edenpark11.jpg

Jayde stadium in Christchurch, capacity: 36,500

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/jade1.jpg

Proposed $60 million upgrade in time for RwC, capacity: 43,000

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/primerendering1.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/31202f3a01afc132bc696f92e01f1e151.jpg

The Basin Reserve in Wellington, capacity:13,000

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/wellington_basin.jpg

Proposed $180 million Dunedin stadium, capacity unknown

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/phpThumb1.jpg

If there are any other stadiums you would like to add that i have not mentioned please do so!

Eden Park certainly looks like a patchwork quilt. NZ needs a great national stadium. Whats happening with the idea of building a stadium down near the Auckland Harbour?

EDIT: Just read the NZ National Stadium thread!! ;)

Here's Tauranga's Blue Chip Stadium , seats 19,800 plus corporate Boxes .:)

http://www.teara.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/0608147C-69B3-46BA-B8B6-9DED83730D88/93627/p5655pc.jpg

Nice round up!!

Missed Dunedin with it's FAB proposal.

Still think Christchurch's non balancing east stand is a crap idea.

jade stadium really has turned into a fantastic venue...i quite like the cake tin...always have..not sure why

intersting how Jade stadium was ordered by the NZRFU to get rid of its embankment nearly ten years ago when hamilton gets away with builiding a new gorund with an embankment at one the ends

Geeez, there are some ugly stadiums here :( the cake tin is still my fave.

If we go ahead with the new Nation Stadium (and im praying they do) when we are going to have one hell of a sporting infastructure for a nation of this size. Hopefully it will open up more oppotunites for NZ to host more world class sporting event

Whangarei's Okara Park:

View South
http://www.northlandeventscentre.co.nz/images/gallery/Aerial_View_frmSouth.jpg

View West
http://www.northlandeventscentre.co.nz/images/gallery/Aerial_View_frmWest.jpg

North Stand
http://www.northlandeventscentre.co.nz/images/gallery/NorthStand_InternalElevatio.jpg

South Stand
http://www.northlandeventscentre.co.nz/images/gallery/SouthStand_InternalElevatio.jpg

Building site plan
http://www.northlandeventscentre.co.nz/images/gallery/Aerial_View.jpg

Level 3 floor plan
http://www.northlandeventscentre.co.nz/images/gallery/Aerial_PlanColour.gif

Overall plan
http://www.northlandeventscentre.co.nz/images/gallery/Overall_Site_Plan.jpg

3D fly though - WMV (http://www.northlandeventscentre.co.nz/images/gallery/NEC1.wmv) 2.64MB
3D fly through - MOV (http://www.northlandeventscentre.co.nz/images/gallery/NEC1.mov) 3.31MB

todd you gotta find some stuff on mclean park, I failed

Looks good Kane is this a proposal or has it already got consent?

Got resource consent on 2006/09/19 but my be held up by possible environment court action - still waiting!

Thats really cool kane i like it, you know i dont care what anyone says but New Zealand will have one hell of a stadium infrastructure for a country of only 4 million ppl once Okara park, eden park, jayde stadium and the new dundein stadium are built.

You can hardly call most of them stadiums in the sense that they are fully enclosed by stands in a uniform kind of way. Wellington is by far the smartest. Jade Stadium will be the most dramatic with two high, multi-tiered stands. Whangerei's (planned) Okara Park isa great venue for a city that site, as are most of them. I just think Eden Park needs to look a bit more representative. It should be the flagship stadium for a sport-obsessed nation. Now that I'm over the waterfront stadium disappointment, I'd happily settle for a full redevelopment of Eden Park. Please, please not the temporary seating. Shame on us if it happens.

I think Eden park looks great and can definetely be our flagship stadium with its current design. Im not to happy with Jayde stadiums design but it will have a great atmosphere. In our major ctites we should have 3 wrap around stadiums.

1. Wellingtons westapc stadium
2. Aucklands Eden park
3. Dunedins new stadium

Compare New Zealands stadiums with Irelands stadiums, both countries have a similar population, yet you will see we have better quality stadia, the only good stadium in Ireland is Croke park with a capacity of roughly 80,000 but even that is not a complete wrap around stadium.

heres a pic of Irelands biggest/best:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/dublin_croke_park11.jpg

Great picture of Croke Park TonyNZ.

I've been to Croke Park 5 times since arriving in Dublin. Fantastic stadium. It does not fully wrap around because a main railway line runs just behind the terrace section. Having said that, it was built over the years mostly with Government grants. Same could happen in NZ if there is a will??!

There is something about attending events in World Class Stadiums. You would go and watch tiddlywinks or whatever, just to be part of a big occasion. NZ should join the countries who have proper stadiums. Its all part of being a grown-up country...

Compare New Zealands stadiums with Irelands stadiums, both countries have a similar population, yet you will see we have better quality stadia, the only good stadium in Ireland is Croke park with a capacity of roughly 80,000 but even that is not a complete wrap around stadium.


what about the proposed lansdowne road which will fit 55,000?
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/dublin_lansdowne1.jpg
What about Thurls Semple Stadium, which can hold 55,000?
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/ireland/thurles_semple.jpg
What about Limerick Gaelic Grounds which can hold 50,000?
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/ireland/limerick_gaelic1.jpg
What about Cork Pairc Ui Caoimh, which can hold 43,500?
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/ireland/cork_caoimh.jpg
What about Killarney Fitzgerald Stadium, which can hold 43,000?
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/ireland/killarney_fitzgerald.jpg
what about the 6 others that can hold 30,000+?


and there are two reasons why Croke Park is not complete wrap around stadium
1. property is an issue (similar to lansdowne road and what twickenham used to have)
2. the embankment there has a cult following

also compare Auckland to Brisbane. Aucklands greater area has a population of
over 1.2 million while Brisbane is over 1.5 million
Brisbane has 3 stadiums which seat over 40,000
Suncorp Stadium 52,579 all-seater

Queensland Sport and Athletic Centre 48,400 all-seater

The Gabba 42,000 all-seater

while Aucklands only has 1

btw the eden park proposal is not a complete wrap around stadium

spotila here is a few pics of mclean park:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/_41492748_napier203.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/030305roadtrip10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/napier_mclean.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/NZ_McleanPark-1.jpg

some pics of Fmg Stadium in Palmerston North
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/fdfsfsd2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/fdfsfsd1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/fdfsfsd.jpg

what about the proposed lansdowne road?

and there are two reasons why Croke Park is not complete wrap around stadium
1. property is an issue (similar to lansdowne road and what twickenham used to have)
2. the embankment there has a cult following

also compare Auckland to Brisbane. Aucklands greater area has a population of
over 1.2 million while Brisbane is over 1.5 million
Brisbane has 3 stadiums which seat over 40,000
Suncorp Stadium 52,579 all-seater

Queensland Sport and Athletic Centre 48,400 all-seater

The Gabba 42,000 all-seater

while Aucklands only has 1

btw the eden park proposal is not a complete wrap around stadium

Would just like to say that Brisbanes population is nearing 1.8 million and Auckland is nearing 1.3 million, the reason Brisbane has 3 large stadiums is for 1 the Queensland sports and athletics centre(ANZ stadium) used to be the prime Rugby stadium in Brisbane until they realised they had to build a better stadium in a more prime location - because NSW had great stadiums Queensland had to aswell. The Gabba is their prime cricket and AFl ground, it has only just recently had a reno job to bring its capacity up past 40,000. These days athletics park doesnt get used that often, mostly only for its running track. I think it would be better to compare Auckland with Perth or Adelaide really becuase the 500,000 more people living in Brisbane would make a difference in how big/better the stadiums are.

Would just like to say that Brisbanes population is nearing 1.8 million and Auckland is nearing 1.3 million, the reason Brisbane has 3 large stadiums is for 1 the Queensland sports and athletics centre(ANZ stadium) used to be the prime Rugby stadium in Brisbane until they realised they had to build a better stadium in a more prime location - because NSW had great stadiums Queensland had to aswell. The Gabba is their prime cricket and AFl ground, it has only just recently had a reno job to bring its capacity up past 40,000. These days athletics park doesnt get used that often, mostly only for its running track. I think it would be better to compare Auckland with Perth or Adelaide really becuase the 500,000 more people living in Brisbane would make a difference in how big/better the stadiums are.

Well said - it is like comparing apples with pears and I would like to add that the Eden Park upgrade proposal is for a wrap-around stadium as per this rendering -

http://www.edenpark.co.nz/news/images/rightpic_redevelopment.jpg

Ihavenolegs These are Irelands stadiums:

lansdowne road

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/dublin_lansdowne11.jpg

Thurls Semple Stadium
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/thurles_semple1.jpg

Limerick Gaelic Grounds
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/limerick_gaelic11.jpg

Cork Pairc Ui Caoimh
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/cork_caoimh1.jpg

Killarney Fitzgerald Stadium
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/killarney_fitzgerald1.jpg

Now that eveyone can see what the Irish stadiums are like you can see our stadiums are of better quality. By the way the stadium capacity you have shown are not the amount of seats they hold.

To be fair to Maclean Park, there should be a photo of the stand built in the early 90s along Latham St. It's a nice piece of architecture which really stands out from all sides.

Now that eveyone can see what the Irish stadiums are like you can see our stadiums are of better quality. By the the stadium capacity you have shown are not the amount of seats they hold.

Agreed, those Irish stadiums look a bit dreary. I don't think that Ireland has ever hosted a major international sporting event, which is the kind of impetus needed to upgrade or build new stadiums. I remember 1992 RWC games at Landsdowne Road, but not at the provincial centres.

a wrap around stadium has 1 stand yes 1 stand going all the way around
i don't understand how having 2 stands at eden park makes it a wrap around stadium

but then again when in comparison to carisbrook, jade, athletic park and nearly any other stadium in nz 2 stands is as close as you will get to having a stadium that is a complete stadium

ok heres my first post.

When it comes to stadiums across the country, You cant really compare NZ and Ireland because geographically they are very different.

However if you compare the main cities in each country. You will get a better idea of the comparison.

When you look at Auckland there are currently 3 regional stadiums of note. In 2011 if they do the full wraparound to Eden Park then there will be one world class stadium and two regional stadiums.

In Dublin there is Croke park which is world class(3rd largest in Europe at 80 odd thousand) and Landsdowne Road which is now undergoing an upgrade. Arguably by 2010 Dublin will have 2 world class stadiums in the region. I will try and find pics of the new landsdowne.

I think the main reason Dublin can regularly fill a stadium of 80,000 is that there is nowhere in the country that you cant get to in less than four hours drive. Therefore its a national stadium and a day out for all the regions. Mallard/Hubbard had it right and an Iconic National Stadium is what Auckland and the country needs especially when you consider the growing populations of BOP, Waikato and Northland all within driving distance.

In the meantime a wraparound Eden Park is the short/medium term answer.

I Have No,

ok to rephrase 'almost' wraparound eden park:)

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/thumbnail.aspx?img=EXTERIOR 1200 x 712.jpg&w=355&h=238

landsdowne exterior

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/thumbnail.aspx?img=INT_FOOT 1200 x 874.jpg&w=355&h=238

...and interior.

Sorry for threadjacking a little bit. Back to NZ stadiums....Heres Yarrow in Taranaki.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/new_zealand/new_plymouth_yarrow.jpg

Short/Medium term answer? Yes what an idea think of the short term. Lets put the minimum wage up to $20 an hour and think you have done wonders for the economy because our non-skilled workers have more money, ignoring the fact it will destroy our export markets and the rest of the economy.

Ireland will probably never get the chance to hold an international sporting event, due to the fact that nearly all of their stadiums are designed for Gaelic football and hurling, which has a playing surface of 130–145 meters long and 80–90 meters wide while a football field is 100-110 metres long and 65-75 metres wide.

At Least Irelands grounds CAN ACTUALLY FIT THE SPORTS THAT ARE PLAYED IN THEM. Cricket fields are typically circles (in England they are squarish), which none of New Zealand’s major ‘multi purpose’ grounds can fit. While at rugby games those in attendance are miles from the pitch.

Okay, Irelands sporting grounds are dreary and look crap form the outside, but is that really the purpose of a stadium? Is a stadiums main function to simply look attractive from the outside, or to provide a comfortable, affordable venue to watch sport from? When I go to a stadium I prefer to watch the sport and try and to ignore the ugliness of jade stadium (which is fucking hard).

Short/Medium term answer? Yes what an idea think of the short term.

Unfortunately with two councils calling the shots we are'nt going to get anywhere fast. Government intervention seems mandatory at this stage.

homestead stadium in invercargill
http://www.signalgroup.co.nz/images/Project_Images/HomesteadStadium/rugbypark.gif

http://www.rugbysouthland.co.nz/images/Stadium-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/grand1.jpg

Trafalger park nelson
http://www.nzcricket.co.nz/content/Ass%20CD%20-%20Districts/Nelson%20C.A/4378/Trafalgar_Park1.jpg

Would just like to say that Brisbanes population is nearing 1.8 million and Auckland is nearing 1.3 million, the reason Brisbane has 3 large stadiums is for 1 the Queensland sports and athletics centre(ANZ stadium) used to be the prime Rugby stadium in Brisbane until they realised they had to build a better stadium in a more prime location - because NSW had great stadiums Queensland had to aswell. The Gabba is their prime cricket and AFl ground, it has only just recently had a reno job to bring its capacity up past 40,000. These days athletics park doesnt get used that often, mostly only for its running track. I think it would be better to compare Auckland with Perth or Adelaide really becuase the 500,000 more people living in Brisbane would make a difference in how big/better the stadiums are.

Remember what a dump Lang Park was before it got rebuilt. The Gabba has been done up significantly too in recent years.
Up untill a few years back Brisbane didnt have much as far as top stadiums are concerned.

when brisbane got its stadiums re-done it had 2 quality stadiums, while when eden park gets re-done it will be a crappy piece-meal stadium that still can't properly cater to cricket and rugby.

Can it before this turns into some child's play at creche. Quite frankly I don't care what Brisbane has or doesn't have (and that applies to any other city in the world). As for Eden Park - everything is up in the air at moment, so who knows what is really planned or what will be built. We shall wait and see.

This thread is entitled "New Zealand Stadiums" and if people have nothing to contribute regarding NEW ZEALAND stadiums - buzz off !

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/thumbnail.aspx?img=EXTERIOR 1200 x 712.jpg&w=355&h=238

landsdowne exterior

Wow that looks awesome good on Ireland.

a wrap around stadium has 1 stand yes 1 stand going all the way around
i don't understand how having 2 stands at eden park makes it a wrap around stadium

but then again when in comparison to carisbrook, jade, athletic park and nearly any other stadium in nz 2 stands is as close as you will get to having a stadium that is a complete stadium

I agree.I don't support Eden Park upgrade AT ALL. :toilet:

The rights to the RWC 2011 were given to us with the expectation that the Stadium would hold minimum of 60,000.The upgrade meets that need,but does fuck all else in portraying Auckland as a modern OECD member and shits on the RWC 2003 and RWC 2007.It's a typical "cheap-skates" fuck-knuckle option.Wrap around .If your going to go that far,then use your "brain" and demolish ASB Stand and continue the HOK design right around FFS!.:wallbash:

Even then,it only saiz that were semi competent..where as StadiumNZ would have put us in good esteem.Yes!...simple respect from the rest of the OECD.....Eden Park upgrade sends a clear message to the rest of the world, that we are a bunch of brainless,bureaucratic,no-hoper's whom couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery. :weird:

God save N.Z! :ohno:

[B]Ditto: The stadia infrastructure we needed for RWC 2011 was the following.......

StadiumNZ - Bledisloe Wharf [70,000]
Albany Stadium - [current 25,000] ====> upgraded to [40,000]
Hamilton - [current 27,500] ====> upgraded to [35,000]
Rotorura - [current 35,000] ====> Makeover-same capacity.
Wellington Caketin - [current 34,500] ====> upgraded to [42,000]
Christchurch Jade - [current 36,500] ====> upgraded to [50,000]
Dunedin Carrisbrook - [current 30,000] ====> new location-new stadium-covered [38,000]

Existing Stadium Capacitys: http://www.worldstadiums.com/oceania/countries/new_zealand.shtml

If we go ahead with the new Nation Stadium (and im praying they do) when we are going to have one hell of a sporting infastructure for a nation of this size. Hopefully it will open up more oppotunites for NZ to host more world class sporting event

Thats really cool kane i like it, you know i dont care what anyone says but New Zealand will have one hell of a stadium infrastructure for a country of only 4 million ppl once Okara park, eden park, jayde stadium and the new dundein stadium are built.

Compare New Zealands stadiums with Irelands stadiums, both countries have a similar population, yet you will see we have better quality stadia

all i am doing is proving that these statements are complete crap and that new zealands stadiums are crap in comparison to other countries

this whole stadium debate was showing how inadequate new zealand is to hold a major sporting event. a big debate over one 60,000 seat stadium, while the 2007 rugby world cup is going to have 4 over 60,000

seddon park hamilton:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/NZ_SeddonParkHamilton2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/NZ_SeddonParkHamilton1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Fluck/NZ_SeddonParkHamilton.jpg

all i am doing is proving that these statements are complete crap and that new zealands stadiums are crap in comparison to other countries

I love your avatar - where did you get it ?

I love your avatar - where did you get it ?

stole it from somebody else on these forums

I love your avatar - where did you get it ?

Here straight to the sex smilies (http://www.lachmeister.de/index.php?action=smilies&kategorie=Sex), but they have heaps of others. I use them all the time, even though my German is crap!

stole it from somebody else on these forums

Thanks ... it is the only way ;)

Here straight to the sex smilies (http://www.lachmeister.de/index.php?action=smilies&kategorie=Sex), but they have heaps of others. I use them all the time, even though my German is crap!

Thanks Kane *kiss*

^^ http://www.lachmeister.de/images/smilies/Liebe/liebe_71.gif (http://www.lachmeister.de)

So whats being said is that the 2011 RWC will be a downgrade from 2007 in terms of capacity?

^^ yeah good point

Suncorp Stadium (Lang Park) is used for RL, RU & Soccer
The Gabba is used for Cricket & AFL
QSAC (previously ANZ Stadium) used to be used for football as Lang Park was too old and small. ANZ was seen to be too far from the CBD and viewing was poor so they upgraded Lang Park. It hosted U2 a couple of weeks ago, but besides that, is barely used nowadays.

Eden Park is multipurpose as it can accomodate cricket and football. Auckland is getting a new stadium anyway?? Stadium NZ?? AFAIK, Auckland will have 2 60,000 seaters. Impressive!


For a city of Auckland's size with 60,000 seaters, be prepared to see many empty seats unless you use the smaller stadiums for lower scale matches. A good crowd of 40,000 in brisbane's 52,500 seater looks underdone in such a large stadium. So for Auckland, playing a medium scale drawcard match is going to look somewhat poor. We have that problem, especially in sydney where money is the determining factor, not what is best for the spectators.

^^ my bad, i was responding to posts in page 1

^^ yeah good point

Suncorp Stadium (Lang Park) is used for RL, RU & Soccer
The Gabba is used for Cricket & AFL
QSAC (previously ANZ Stadium) used to be used for football as Lang Park was too old and small. ANZ was seen to be too far from the CBD and viewing was poor so they upgraded Lang Park. It hosted U2 a couple of weeks ago, but besides that, is barely used nowadays.

Eden Park is multipurpose as it can accomodate cricket and football. Auckland is getting a new stadium anyway?? Stadium NZ?? AFAIK, Auckland will have 2 60,000 seaters. Impressive!


For a city of Auckland's size with 60,000 seaters, be prepared to see many empty seats unless you use the smaller stadiums for lower scale matches. A good crowd of 40,000 in brisbane's 52,500 seater looks underdone in such a large stadium. So for Auckland, playing a medium scale drawcard match is going to look somewhat poor. We have that problem, especially in sydney where money is the determining factor, not what is best for the spectators.

lol sorry buddy but we arent getting 2 stadiums with 60,000 seats, i wish! We are only getting 1 that being Eden park. :lol:

eden park can hold cricket it just can't hold it properly, playing cricket at the new(and current) eden park will be like playing rugby on a triangle field

McLean Park, Napier

16,500

http://spotyo.orcon.net.nz/Napier/air_mclean1.jpg

Let's not compare NZ to Ireland. Ireland is only a third of the size in land area and a "fat" country. NZ is a long country where it would probably take three days to drive the length of it. Not to mention Ireland has another island of 60 million people right next to it.

Land has nothing to do with it, well atleast with what i was trying to say Ireland and New Zealand have a similar population. Unfortunately land doesnt build stadia people do.

I think he means that, being a "fat" country (lol), nowhere is more than a few hours from anywhere so a match in, say, Dublin will get people from all over, whereas no-ones going to travel 2 days from Dunedin to Auckland to attend a match. I think the stadiums at the moment are about right... nowhere in the country ever sells out with any regularity - at most maybe 2 or 3 times a year.

I think he means that, being a "fat" country (lol), nowhere is more than a few hours from anywhere so a match in, say, Dublin will get people from all over, whereas no-ones going to travel 2 days from Dunedin to Auckland to attend a match. I think the stadiums at the moment are about right... nowhere in the country ever sells out with any regularity - at most maybe 2 or 3 times a year.


Exactly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ei-map.svg

This map shows you're never more than a couple of hundred miles from Dublin.

whereas no-ones going to travel 2 days from Dunedin to Auckland to attend a match
you mean about 90 minutes
people usually do travel great distances to attend sporting matches e.g. barmy army

you mean about 90 minutes

at several times the cost

at several times the cost

no its not
airfares are very cheap nowadays

Yes airfares in real terms have been dropping for at least the last 10 years. Whats been increasing at an even greater pass are the taxes, levys and surcharges. An international example, but holds true domestically as well, 10 years ago Air NZ or Qantas would have cost you NZ$599 Auckland to Sydney return. Airport departure fee (tax) would have been NZ$20.00 for Auckland and AU$25.00 for Sydney. Today, same flight, NZ$499.00 but taxes into/out of Sydney $185.00 plus Auckland $25.00.

Please note 10 years ago only Air NZ, Qantas, Thai Airways and Polynesian Airlines flew AKL/SYD/AKL.

Though there are cheaper, even this one is hard to get, with enormous strings attached.

10 years ago, these levys were part of the airfare. Now its just a marketing ploy to sucker punch the consumer into feeling how much better off they are vs their ancestors.

Yes airfares in real terms have been dropping for at least the last 10 years. Whats been increasing at an even greater pass are the taxes, levys and surcharges. An international example, but holds true domestically as well, 10 years ago Air NZ or Qantas would have cost you NZ$599 Auckland to Sydney return. Airport departure fee (tax) would have been NZ$20.00 for Auckland and AU$25.00 for Sydney. Today, same flight, NZ$499.00 but taxes into/out of Sydney $185.00 plus Auckland $25.00.

Please note 10 years ago only Air NZ, Qantas, Thai Airways and Polynesian Airlines flew AKL/SYD/AKL.

Though there are cheaper, even this one is hard to get, with enormous strings attached.

10 years ago, these levys were part of the airfare. Now its just a marketing ploy to sucker punch the consumer into feeling how much better off they are vs their ancestors.

o.k. thats beside the point

Stadium future-proofed over noise complaints
NZ Herald
2007/02/07 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10422688)


http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/northharbour.jpg


Future apartment dwellers near North Harbour Stadium will not have the right to oppose or restrict its concerts.

Losing that right is part of a "future proofing" deal struck by the stadium trust board and the developers who plan to build huge apartment complexes at Albany on the bare paddocks around the stadium.

In order to get resource consent, a covenant against complaints about noise must be registered on every title to the apartments, which will have to be built to a set acoustic standard including special glazing and sound-proof materials.

"We don't want to be in the situation we have seen elsewhere in the Auckland region where there have been restrictions that would hurt our customers and revenue," said stadium chief executive Brendan O'Connor.

"We are trying to keep it a multi-purpose stadium with sport and a diverse range of events - we've just had the Roger Waters concert, and the Crusty Demons motorbike show is coming up.

"When the stadium was built 10 years ago it was farmland round here and since then there has been a lot of development."

Mr O'Connor said the stadium's 24ha was about to have apartment blocks as neighbours as a result of zone changes.

North Shore City Council permitted up to 16 concerts a year and noise levels of 85 decibels up to 11 pm on weekends and 80 decibels on weekdays.

Eden Park is not permitted to have concerts and resource consent conditions for the proposed rebuilt stadium require a stringent 55 decibels up to 10.30 pm.

Western Springs and Westpac Stadium in Wellington have limits of 60 decibels or more.

"We are protecting our business and the developers will put measures in place to protect their residents," said Mr O'Connor.

"There is nothing to stop any resident complaining about noise if we don't keep within lawful operating levels."

The council said it received 17 complaints about noise from the Roger Waters' Dark Side of the Moon concert, mostly from residents in a primarily industrial area.

Mr O'Connor said the stadium had acoustic engineers monitoring the concert and the noise was well within limits, though the music was loud. Until that day, the stadium had had only one noise complaint in 10 years.

The stadium trust board insisted on protection against noise restrictions in negotiations with the council and Albany developers who wanted to change some business land zoning to allow residential buildings.

Stadium trust board lawyer Richard Brabant said the stadium was now "future-proofed" and was unique, at least in Auckland, in terms of facilities and continued to be the best option as the venue for the Rugby World Cup in 2011.

The agreement was negotiated with landowners Cornerstone Group and developers including Symphony Group and is to be written into the District Plan.

This means every residential unit will have its living and bedroom areas built to an agreed acoustic standard so the noise level inside should not exceed 50 decibels, based on an 85 decibel limit noise contour around the stadium.

The District Plan will say that every residential development in the Business 11 zone needs a consent with a no-complaints covenant on the title.

"It says you are coming to live here in the environment next to a major stadium and you agree you will not complain about any stadium activities carried out in accordance with its lawful rights. The stadium can have night lights on as often as necessary and it can hold concerts," said Mr Brabant.

The Environment Court has yet to endorse the District Plan change but already the first major residential complex for Albany is set to go ahead.

The Platypus Group plans to launch this month sales of 146 apartments in the first stage of a 585-unit development called The Foundry on Don McKinnon Drive.

Platypus director Chris Minty said the agreement should not affect buyers as long as the stadium operated to the rules.

The apartments were "a couple of hundred metres" from the stadium, he said, and it was only a few times a year that noise levels reached concert standard.

He was unable to say how much more expensive apartments would be if special sound-proofing materials had to be used.

Albany City Holdings has agreed to protect the stadium against noise complaints and is developing 794 apartments in Don McKinnon Drive.

This is what you hope to use to host the world cup with???? You are almost as delusional as South Africans! The world cup is going to Japan.

This is what you hope to use to host the world cup with???? You are almost as delusional as South Africans! The world cup is going to Japan.
delusional about what?

Delusional about your ability to host anything as large as the world cup. It is obvious that both SA & NZ don't have the stadiums or the ability to do it.

Delusional about your ability to host anything as large as the world cup. It is obvious that both SA & NZ don't have the stadiums or the ability to do it.

i refuse to turn this thread into something about south africa and i request that you argue your points in the south african threads.

south africa certainly has the stadia, again be specific and we'll deal with each stadium and its construction progress individually, blurting out Sh*t helps nobody. I am willing to discuss the merits of each stadium and my discussions with the construction team and designer of some of the stadia with you.

apologies to the new zealand peoples for this off topic post.

^^
Don't worry Mo. I think CentraLine will have a short lifespan on SSC.

Yes South Africa for the Saffas; Middle Earth for the Kiwis & Great Britain for the British. Seeing as I am on the NZ thread, do the Kiwis really think that their existing stadia is good enough for RWC 2011?

^^
Christchurch = no worries
Dunedin = gonna be great
Wellington = ok
Auckland = disapointment

This guy doesn't warrant a response from ANY of us ..... this is what he had to say in the South African Forum ....

What really amazes me is how both the Kiwis & the Saffas think that they are better than each other. Listen, Auckland is the most boring city I have ever been to & New Zealand is the most boring country I have ever been to, very sterile with no heartbeat.

Strange that the bulk of our immigrants are from the UK - they can't get out of the UK quick enough, especially London :nuts: and who cares what he thinks anyways - he is INSIGNIFICANT !

@ Aucklandman - please remove this tosser's yob babble

i agree..really don't see whats wrong with our stadium being built in cape town...

link:http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/image006.jpg

^^^ There is NOTHING wrong with South Africa's stadiums - they are awesome. I speak for most of us when I say that we would LOVE to have Cape Town's new Greenpoint stadium in Auckland ...... Eden Park's "downgrade" is an embarrassment.

^^^ There is NOTHING wrong with South Africa's stadiums - they are awesome. I speak for most of us when I say that we would LOVE to have Cape Town's new Greenpoint stadium in Auckland ...... Eden Park's "downgrade" is an embarrassment.
that image was me being a complete show-off, i pray everyday for your waterfront stadium.

that image was me being a complete show-off, i pray everyday for your waterfront stadium.

Unfortunately, as long as Kiwi's have so much say in such matters, it is never going to happen :ohno: Anyways, I am now focused on the America's Cup - Team NZ must give Alinghi a good hiding so that we can bring the cup back to Auckland :cheers:

http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/northharbour.jpg

However I can see why you would be concerned , this is where Minor Games / Heats will be played out in 2011 and will probaly be as far as England gets :lol: and the Sound Proofing being discussed for surrounding Apartments is to block out the English whinging and I guess the crys of defeat :lol: :cheers:

http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/northharbour.jpg

However I can see why you would be concerned , this is where Minor Games / Heats will be played out in 2011 and will probaly be as far as England gets :lol: and the Sound Proofing being discussed for surrounding Apartments is to block out the English whinging and I guess the crys of defeat :lol: :cheers:

:lol: I couldn't have said it better myself Marky ;)

^^
Christchurch = no worries
Dunedin = gonna be great
Wellington = ok
Auckland = disapointment

That pretty well sums it up at the moment. Though, I still think Westpac Stadium is the best stadium in NZ. :)
For rugby, Yarrow Stadium and Rotorua need an upgrade, and throw in Invercargill for good measure too!

This picture looks very 'pretty' but it doesn't look like a stadium good enough for any phase of such a high proile event, it might just be good enough for Auckland City FC. I could draw pictures all day but it is not going to change my ability to host such an event. When was the last time that NZ hosted such a large sporting event?

The first RWC, 1987

You can see that no Kiwi member is extremely happy with the Quality / Quantity / Size of our Stadiums . Plans are under way for alot of upgrades etc but at the end of the day , nothing major is ganna Happen :ohno: , like an amazing 80,000 Seat Stadium on Aucklands Harbour :banana:
The Sad part is NZ Goverment has the Money , but Honey they just won't spend :ohno: ...so judging by your comments so far Centraline you aren't ganna be impressed in 2011 no mater what , so you either come on down and enjoy the Rugby ..not so much the Stadiums :cheers: or go to Wembley , watch it on the big Screen and tug ya self there :)


This picture looks very 'pretty' but it doesn't look like a stadium good enough for any phase of such a high proile event, it might just be good enough for Auckland City FC. I could draw pictures all day but it is not going to change my ability to host such an event. When was the last time that NZ hosted such a large sporting event?

Why oh why are we even entertaining the wild life ?

or has been short changed downstairs :lol:
Why oh why are we even entertaining the wild life ?

http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/m/massys/quentin/2/ugly_duc.jpg

So are some of you in this thread saying the westpac stadium is crap? It's probably the best in the country.

:lol:

and so jealous of STH Africa and NZ ........Centralines Hometown , and the Ugly Brick Building Bottom right is where he works :ohno: :lol:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/143015834_e47f90fc87_o.jpg

Hahaha! I saw that too. You beat me to it. Fuckin A!

Which one is most likely to be CentraLine?

http://www.miwian.nl/images/office2.jpg

So are some of you in this thread saying the westpac stadium is crap? It's probably the best in the country.

Westpac is ok but not great. I wish they had'nt gone for the oval shape and built a dedicated rugby/football stadium. The Basin Reserve is WLG's cricket venue.

I would probaly say the Back one ...got that empty but Chip on ya shoulder look :lol:


Hahaha! I saw that too. You beat me to it. Fuckin A!

Which one is most likely to be CentraLine?

http://www.miwian.nl/images/office2.jpg

^^
I was thinking the same.

I think CentraLine and Samantha should have babies together.

Excuse me my eyes are still Blurry from Centralines Hometown Photo ....yes his work abode was hard to find surrounded by all those Arhitecturual Master-pieces ...I mean the Coloured Crowns on those Buildings behind , well I mean Luvees watch out Dubai ! :lol:

QUOTE=KIWIKAAS;13874535]^^
I was thinking the same.

I think CentraLine and Samantha should have babies together.[/QUOTE]

what would it cost for north harbour to become the main stadium?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSclO8suF6Y&mode=related&search=

It keeps getting better. Who knew New Zealand was this messed up?

Lol Ross Kemp has made the Mongrel mob look really bad....they are nothing but a shit stain on the fabric of New Zealands society! If I had it my way they would all be shot. :cheers: Btw you should watch Ross Kemp on London Gangs :) After all London is more messed up than NZ.

I especially like this bit:

The "Healthy, Wealthy and Wise" report says low-income families are the most likely to suffer from the cold as they live in poorly designed, badly insulated homes.

Not exactly the image that Kiwis want the world too see,huh?

What is your point? Are you trying to tell us London has no low-income families with poorly designed, badly insulated homes? Correct me if im wrong but doesn't every city have these problems? :nuts:

^^ Centraline seems to be very into NZ??!
I have lived in Europe and NZ.
NZ is no better or worse than most western countries.
Its just that life here IS a little better generally speaking than in most other countries.
And it is home. Everyone to their own and CL can have his!
I just find it interesting that he is so interested in us!
His ex NZ girlfriend/boyfriend must have told him he has a small....attitude :)

Are our mods snuggling up together ? where are they ? If Cartel swears a little it is "cleaned" up BUT when our forum is polluted with yob trash ... nothing's done. What's the drill mods ? .... by the way - I think that I know who this is :) I am sure that the mods can find out more .....

I'll give it a go.

Fuck Cunt Cum smittened kitty with a swolen clity

Should smoke em out Eni

I'll give it a go.

Fuck Cunt Cum smittened kitty with a swolen clity

Should smoke em out Eni

:lol: Thanks Sweety ;)

Anytime deary.

Now lets wait and see.................................................................

This is what you hope to use to host the world cup with???? You are almost as delusional as South Africans! The world cup is going to Japan.

Delusional about your ability to host anything as large as the world cup. It is obvious that both SA & NZ don't have the stadiums or the ability to do it.

Aaah Enigma, how entertaining you are. I must say the one major difference between Kiwis & Saffas is that at least Kiwis come up with facts to dispute what I am saying unlike you & your SA friends who resort to insults. Typical.

Sounds a bit like Mike - only 26 posts - must be someones' twisted alto ego after some poster got the better of him. More than likely he is a bitter ex Saffa eeking out an shitty existence in London wishing he had made the move to NZ. I am surprised he can even see the stadiums there through all the desperate bleakness and pollution. Toddle off now CentraLine and go troll somewhere else.

I'll give it a go.

Fuck Cunt Cum smittened kitty with a swolen clity

Should smoke em out Eni

Who's this Mike Guy ? Samathas other half ? :lol:

looking after Mental Patients { Brain disorders Etc } really does explain his behaviour :lol:

Who's this Mike Guy ? Samathas other half ? :lol:

He is British and now lives in South Africa ...... this is what he had to say in the South African forum about Auckland beating Cape Town (city rankings for overall quality of living) .....

"Auckland better quality of life than Cape Town? Thats the biggest joke I have ever heard! The place is a rather dull scruffy little place with the cultural life of a small provincial town"

He is one of the biggest liars - EVER ! I have kept record of what he says and all his statements are contradictary .... a few months back he told me that he has never been to NZ ... now he tells the Saffers that he has been here 3 times ....:lol:

It will be great exercise to compare the two .... I am willing to bet that Auckland has far more museums (and waaaay better), theatres etc. than Cape Town ...... AND we only have 1.4 million people (as opposed to Cape Town's 3 million plus) ...... mmmmmmm

and from what I can gather he works at the National Hospital for Neurology in Euston , London .......yeah looking after mental Patients , I'm sure he will let us Know if I'm wrong ......but it sure does make sense ......maybe hes even a Patient himself :lol:

Maybe some of our Kiwi and Saffra Buddies in London can p:nuts: ay him a visit and spank the madness out of him ? :nuts:

and from what I can gather he works at the National Hospital for Neurology in Euston , London .......yeah looking after mental Patients , I'm sure he will let us Know if I'm wrong ......but it sure does make sense ......maybe hes even a Patient himself :lol:

Maybe some of our Kiwi and Saffra Buddies in London can p:nuts: ay him a visit and spank the madness out of him ? :nuts:

He probably needs a good shafting sweet cakes ..... maybe Samantha will pack in her strap-on and oblige :) ......

He probably needs a good shafting sweet cakes ..... maybe Samantha will pack in her strap-on and oblige :) ......

Nah Luveee I'd like to see a Zulu and Maori Warrior pack him hard !:banana:actually a whole Tribe of each is probaly what he needs .....

Nah Luveee I'd like to see a Zulu and Maori Warrior pack him hard !:banana:actually a whole Tribe of each is probaly what he needs .....

:lol: OUCH !! Now we are talking Baby :lol:

^^^ Back to cuckoo land for you ..... Our mods aren't up to scratch so I have asked Cul to ban numb nuts.

Actually thanks CentraLine. I like the company in this list of 3 pointers.

3 points: Athens, Auckland, Dublin, Helsinki, Luxembourg, Lyon, Mumbai, New Delhi, Philadelphia, Rio de Janeiro, Tel Aviv, Vienna

:lol: :nuts: :ohno: oh no - christchurch is in nerdy nowhere land :lol:

Actually thanks CentraLine. I like the company in this list of 3 pointers.

3 points: Athens, Auckland, Dublin, Helsinki, Luxembourg, Lyon, Mumbai, New Delhi, Philadelphia, Rio de Janeiro, Tel Aviv, Vienna

for a third world city ill be grateful with cape towns 1 point

As far as I am concerned you can keep Auckland & Cape Town. London is a global city & very few cities in the world can compete with it's history & atmosphere. Auckland & Cape Town have a long way to go before they reach our level.

Alpha world cities / full service world cities (Official GaWC List)[6]

12 points: London, New York, Paris, Tokyo
10 points: Chicago, Frankfurt, Hong Kong, Los Angeles, Milan, Singapore

Beta world cities / major world cities (Official GaWC List)

9 points: San Francisco, Sydney, Toronto, Zürich
8 points: Brussels, Madrid, Mexico City, São Paulo
7 points: Moscow, Seoul

Gamma world cities / minor world cities (Official GaWC List)

6 points: Amsterdam, Boston, Caracas, Dallas, Düsseldorf, Geneva, Houston, Jakarta, Johannesburg, Melbourne, Osaka, Prague, Santiago, Taipei, Washington
5 points: Bangkok, Beijing, Montreal, Rome, Stockholm, Warsaw
4 points: Atlanta, Barcelona, Berlin, Budapest, Buenos Aires, Copenhagen, Glasgow, Hamburg, Istanbul, Kuala Lumpur, Manila, Miami, Minneapolis, Munich, Shanghai

Evidence of world city formation (Official GaWC List)

Strong evidence (Not to be altered)
3 points: Athens, Auckland, Dublin, Helsinki, Luxembourg, Lyon, Mumbai, New Delhi, Philadelphia, Rio de Janeiro, Tel Aviv, Vienna
Some evidence (Not to be altered)
2 points: Abu Dhabi, Almaty, Birmingham (UK), Bogotá, Bratislava, Brisbane, Bucharest, Cairo, Cleveland, Cologne, Detroit, Dubai, Ho Chi Minh City, Kiev, Lima, Lisbon, Manchester, Montevideo, Oslo, Riyadh, Rotterdam, Seattle, Strasbourg, Stuttgart, The Hague, Vancouver
Minimal evidence (Not to be altered)
1 point: Adelaide, Antwerp, Aarhus, Baltimore, Bangalore, Bologna, Brasília, Calgary, Cape Town, Colombo, Columbus, Dresden, Edinburgh, Genoa,Gothenburg, Guangzhou, Hanoi, Kansas City, Leeds, Lille, Marseille, Richmond, St. Petersburg, Tashkent, Tehran, Tijuana, Turin, Utrecht, Wellington

Interesting list. Ofcourse London is a global city and a very interesting place, I enjoyed my time there a few years ago. Auckland cant compete in terms of the arts....or in terms of nightlife and entertainment. We have just over a million people, to Londons 10 million+.....

Its kind of ridiculous to compare the two in most regards.

They simpy offer different things. If you want entertainment, and history, then go to London, but Auckland offers lifestyle that few cities can match. For instance, my childhood in Auckland was spent fishing, walking 5 minutes to beautiful beaches, going out on our boat to islands where you had entire beaches to yourself, playing any sport imaginable, all in a safe and healthy environment. Im sure London offers many things but for lifestyle, It simply cant match Auckland. Here are some recent quality of life surveys

Date: 2 April 2007

Review Quality of Living top 50 city list 2007

Contact Mercer
Canadian, European and Australian cities continue to dominate the rankings this year, which saw little significant movement among the top 50 cities. (See the 2007 Quality of Living press release for more details).

Zurich, Geneva, Vienna, Vancouver, and Auckland remain the top scoring cities on the Quality of Living index. One of this year's biggest improvements has been in Osaka, rising 8 places to 42 from 51. Improvement was also seen in Oslo, which climbed five places from 31 to 26.

The rankings are based on data collected between September and November 2006 and the data is regularly updated to take account of changing circumstances. Only 215 cities have been considered in the Quality of Living 2007 rankings and any assessment will be revised in the case of any new developments.

Top rankings for cities in Asia

The top five cities in Asia were:

Auckland (tied for 5th)
Sydney (tied for 9th)
Wellington (12th)
Melbourne (17th)
Perth (21st)


(LONDON WAS 39TH)

In 2005, the survey listed Auckland in 8th place, while London was 69th. ( due to high levels of petty crime)

In 2006, Auckland held 5th place, for quality of life in the world and London was 39th....
Lonodon offers art, history and character to its residents, and Auckland offers lifestyle and enjoyment of the great outdoors. Please do not write such immature dribble on here, centraline. I would be interested to know your age, anything over 15 would surprise me.

There is plenty to do as long as you are a sporty, outdoors, barbeque loving, sub-tropical gardening, exercise junky, swimming in the sea type of person.
Obviously you are not.
PS: I love London. Think its a great place to visit. Not sure if I would want to live there on a day to day basis.
I think city choice comes down to individual needs. :)

PPS: I have just realised the thread title.
Maybe (and this includes me!) we should get back onto topic.
ie: Eden Park as the forefront (??) of NZ's 2011 WC!

There is plenty to do as long as you are a sporty, outdoors, barbeque loving, sub-tropical gardening, exercise junky, swimming in the sea type of person.
Obviously you are not.
PS: I love London. Think its a great place to visit. Not sure if I would want to live there on a day to day basis.
I think city choice comes down to individual needs. :)


....and drug availability.....! :)

@ Culwulla - THANKS for cleaning this thread :cheers:

I think its so funny that some are only viewing Guess the City Thread :lol:

@ Culwulla - THANKS for cleaning this thread :cheers:

don't know if anyone has posted this site about dunedin's new stadium, so check it out http://www.ourstadium.co.nz/

^^ Fantastic site. Exactly how I feel about the stadium. All kiwi members on SSC should join the support group!! Dunedin sure is a city with initiative, puts Auckland and Christchurch to shame.

I think its so funny that some are only viewing Guess the City Thread :lol:

i think it's cause things are a little dull at the moment . lot's of people seem to be away or something. the christchurch threads have gone really dull :ohno:

still cant believe this is what we are showcasing to the world:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/staduim_southStandNorthEastView-lar.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/staduim_southStandNorthWestView-lar.jpg


Depessing

:ohno: :nuts:

YUCK x100,000,000

Move the final to Christcurch.

It looks like ass. Then again I live in Wellington so I don't care too much and we already have the only proper stadium in the whole country. :) (I'm being a bit of a jackass).

Move the final to Christcurch.

agree. i think this eden park mess has damaged chance for any more major international events for NZ. perhaps if christchurch holds the final in a half decent stadium, we might save face - and chc will at least get a half decent pop at bidding for the commonwealth games.

Guys the final is going to be played at Eden Park - no matter what shitty stadium is finally delivered.

You would be better off targeting the abysmal leadership of this country that let this crap happen in the first place. :nuts:

:ohno: :omg: it's sooooo horrid.

Sorry AKL.

Well look at it this way guys. One day we'll be able to laugh about this :badnews:

Good job to Auckland and the government.:ohno:

Maybe they could put up some party balloons to cheer it up a bit?:lol: :nuts:

still cant believe this is what we are showcasing to the world:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/staduim_southStandNorthEastView-lar.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/staduim_southStandNorthWestView-lar.jpg


Depessing

:ohno: :nuts:

:lol:

messed up post

i really thought that the country's passion for the sport of rugby would be reflected in their investment in great world class venues.

Is it too late to get John Banks back? At least he thought big.

Actually I think he is down for the upcoming local body elections.

Banks thought big but he also thought stupid. Hundreds of millions of dollars so that people in Pakuranga can get to work quick. I'm glad they canned the eastern motorway.

^^
Yeah Banks was stupid. Pre-election he promised to have the motorway network completed by 2007. Instead he went off on his pet project with Sir Barry and ended up only spending 10s of millions in studies and consultants fees.
Ironically the Eastern corridor is not dead at all. Infact the ACC has released a large scale development of the road corridors in that area. The big difference being that the current strategy is that of tackling several routes in a combined project rather than a single expressway.

NZ cricket has released their 2007-08 summer schedule. Some regular venues miss out on test cricket, namely Eden Park, Carisbrook and Jade Stadium. There are 5 tests for the summer Bangladesh playing tests at University Oval Dunedin (not Carisbrook!!!) and Basin Reserve, England play tests at Seddon Park, Basin Reserve and McLean Park.

If this is not the go-ahead for NZ rugby to develop Carisbrook, Eden Park and Jade Stadiums for rugby-only formations, then I am very confused!:bash: NZ cricket are moving first-class cricket to traditional cricket-only grounds similar to Basin Reserve and other English cricket grounds. This means fewer capacity, but better grounds for cricket and rugby in the future.

Perhaps hello Hagley Park Oval for the new home of Canterbury cricket...What do you guys think about this latest schedule by NZC?

^^
This has been the case in Dunedin for a little while now. The new stadium proposal has no allowance for cricket (thank goodness).
Time to re-do Westpac Stadium for rugby/football only, and Eden Park.

NZ cricket has released their 2007-08 summer schedule. Some regular venues miss out on test cricket, namely Eden Park, Carisbrook and Jade Stadium. There are 5 tests for the summer Bangladesh playing tests at University Oval Dunedin (not Carisbrook!!!) and Basin Reserve, England play tests at Seddon Park, Basin Reserve and McLean Park.

If this is not the go-ahead for NZ rugby to develop Carisbrook, Eden Park and Jade Stadiums for rugby-only formations, then I am very confused!:bash: NZ cricket are moving first-class cricket to traditional cricket-only grounds similar to Basin Reserve and other English cricket grounds. This means fewer capacity, but better grounds for cricket and rugby in the future.

Perhaps hello Hagley Park Oval for the new home of Canterbury cricket...What do you guys think about this latest schedule by NZC?

I agree completely. I have said before in post and said as part of my submission to the CHC city council on the Hagley Park consultation that Hagley oval should be developed into a international cricket ground fitting for the sport and city! 2 years ago there was a lot of talk about developing a new international cricket ground, close to the new southern motorway and developments planned for the city.

I hope this spurs something on. Jade and Eden Parks are NOT cricket grounds.:ohno:

Hey kiwis, the new stadium in Auckland doesnt look that bad. It looks quite interesting compared to these monotone caldrons that are being built everwhere. Examples are the MCG, the Gabba which is the same same look and stands at every part of the stadium. MCG was better in the 90's when it had its different types of grandstands, which is why I like your new stadium

I agree completely. I have said before in post and said as part of my submission to the CHC city council on the Hagley Park consultation that Hagley oval should be developed into a international cricket ground fitting for the sport and city! 2 years ago there was a lot of talk about developing a new international cricket ground, close to the new southern motorway and developments planned for the city.

I hope this spurs something on. Jade and Eden Parks are NOT cricket grounds.:ohno:

kiwikaas is right about rugby use for Eden Park, but im not sure Westpac Stadium should be only for rugby, largest 21st century cricket crowd was 29 033 on 16 Feb 2000 NZ V Aus, so there is some degree of interest.

What seems to be irritating me is that both fans, rugby and cricket, are not happy with Eden Park or Jade Stadium. Jade has history in hosting NZ first-ever test (1930) and ODI (1973) at the ground, same can be said for the MCG for Australia (test-1877 and ODI-1971). But over the years both grounds have developed to its dimensions neither great viewing for both rugby and cricket. Either come to an agreement which would stay (in most cases rugby, as cricket can be moved to hold no more 32 000 fans - something like Adelaide Oval) or do a massive upgrade to have movable stands, similar to Telstra Stadium, but on a smaller scale. Who cares how its done, but it shits me when everyone knows there are better options but cheap-narrow minded investors give the public a crappy compromise:bash:

Hey kiwis, the new stadium in Auckland doesnt look that bad. It looks quite interesting compared to these monotone caldrons that are being built everwhere. Examples are the MCG, the Gabba which is the same same look and stands at every part of the stadium. MCG was better in the 90's when it had its different types of grandstands, which is why I like your new stadium
Are you serious? differents types of stands make it look hideous and out of shape and it 'kills' the style. It would be much more better having some sort of flow or symmetrical relationship to maintain it's appeal.:)

Im serious, stadiums that Ive been to that have the best atmosphere tend to be the ones that are a bit 'hotch potch' ie different styles of stands. Main ones include all English soccer stadiums, SCG, Subiaco Oval in Perth, MCG (up to 2003), even the Sydney Olympic Stadium (Telstra) is interesting. The monotone caldrons are alright when they're full, but when they're not they are just boring, ie Gabba. Im mainly talking about oval shaped stadiums though, i hear that the revamped rugby stadium in Brisbane is good, but I come from a city where we dont know what rugby is, so Ive never been to one.

Im serious, stadiums that Ive been to that have the best atmosphere tend to be the ones that are a bit 'hotch potch' ie different styles of stands. Main ones include all English soccer stadiums, SCG, Subiaco Oval in Perth, MCG (up to 2003), even the Sydney Olympic Stadium (Telstra) is interesting. The monotone caldrons are alright when they're full, but when they're not they are just boring, ie Gabba. Im mainly talking about oval shaped stadiums though, i hear that the revamped rugby stadium in Brisbane is good, but I come from a city where we dont know what rugby is, so Ive never been to one.
what could possibly make you say that?

he's just trying to be nice damn it. :P

Just heard JADE STADIUM is no more!!!

AMI has bought the naming writes and thus it is now AMI Stadium :).

nice name
http://www.jadestadium.co.nz/Site/Designs/Images/Menus/VenueButtons/ami_stadium-r.gif

I wish AMI hadn't bought Jade Stadium. I much prefer the old name. Mind you, this appears to be happening worldwide now and it's not a phenomanon that I'm particularly happy with.

What next? Sony and McDonnalds present Auckland University? I mean hell, we've already got a Fisher and Paykel Auditorium at the University, the idea isn't exactly that bizzare.

Ugh I finally get used to Ericsson Stadium and it gets switched back to Mt Smart. Finally get used to Jade Stadium and now it's something else.... man I truly and utterly hate corporate naming of stadiums.

Hence I love the "Caketin". Good on your Wellington for giving Westpac the big F**k Y**!

I can't wait till RWC 2011 when it'll be (at least for the tournament) Lancaster Park once again.

I wonder if they will just use Lancaster Park for the World Cup....?

It was my understanding they have to because of the "clean stadium" requirement.

Ugh I finally get used to Ericsson Stadium and it gets switched back to Mt Smart. Finally get used to Jade Stadium and now it's something else.... man I truly and utterly hate corporate naming of stadiums.

Hence I love the "Caketin". Good on your Wellington for giving Westpac the big F**k Y**!

I can't wait till RWC 2011 when it'll be (at least for the tournament) Lancaster Park once again.

jarbury, We like the rest of NZ are quite liberal in our understanding of "freedom of expression" when the context is adequate. So using terms such as FUCK YOU is quite acceptable. Rule of thumb I follow and I hope most other open minded enlightened kiwis, is if it can be shown on TV2 at 8pm then it's fine here. :).

^^ Thanks for clarification on that Kane. I've been part of more "heavily moderated" forums in the past and I thought I'd better be on the safe side.

has anybody seen this before?

http://www.warrenandmahoney.com/StadiumNZ_images/SNZ-Photomontage04.jpg\

has anybody seen this before?

http://www.warrenandmahoney.com/StadiumNZ_images/SNZ-Photomontage04.jpg\

Heya Mo, long time lurker and reader of your posts - new poster.

Can't see your link mate, sorry!

The long dead Waterfront Stadium....

National business review
by Mark Peart
Auditor-general Kevin Brady has launched an inquiry into funding arrangements for Dunedin’s proposed $185 million multi-purpose stadium.

Mr Brady on Wednesday released terms of reference for the inquiry.

The Carisbrook Stadium Trust, an independent trust spearheading the project, proposed for a site near Logan Park in north Dunedin, has received funding for feasibility work from the Dunedin City Council and the Otago Regional Council.

The trust is set to receive substantially more funding from the councils if the stadium development, which has polarised Otago ratepayers and residents, proceeds.

Earlier this year, the city council amended its long-term community plan to include grants totalling up to $91.4 million for the proposed stadium during the next four years.

It has agreed to provide the trust with up to $5.6 million by December 31, for ongoing "proof of concept" costs, provided certain conditions are met.

The regional council is considering providing up to $37.5 million for the stadium development.

Before it provides for this funding, it is also awaiting the outcome of the "proof of concept" works.

Mr Brady says he is interested in the issue because of the amount of ratepayer funds that might be contributed to the stadium development, and because of the council’s relationship with a non-council controlled organisation.

He noted some Otago people were “uncertain” about the nature of the councils' involvement.

Mr Brady said the inquiry’s focus would be on the nature of the funding arrangements the councils have with the stadium trust, and to ensure that these were “appropriate and robust.”

He expects to release his findings in early October.
23-Aug-2007

Ever since I first saw plans for this stadium I had the "too good to be true" thought in my head. Indoor stadiums big enough for rugby seem like super-expensive exercises, especially for a city as small as Dunedin. I do hope that it is possible, I guess I'm a bit of a cynic though.

^^
Believe me. This whole World Cup thing is just making me cynical:lol: :bash:

Well Auckland's ended up doing the normal "bare minimum" to fulfil its obligations. Interesting that Eden Park's new capacity will now be 62,000 - when it was going to be only 60,000 with a $300 million makeover.

^^
Believe me. This whole World Cup thing is just making me cynical:lol: :bash:

Ditto. As I've said multiple times I've been a lurker for a long long time and I have to say that this world cup fiasco is an absolute debacle from start to finish.

I hate to say it fellow forumers, but if we don't get our act together we'll not be able to host a big event for a long time after this if we mess it up royally. I am very glad that it isn't the Commonwealth games that we're hosting... If we messed those up, all Winter Olympic aspirations would disappear faster than a nuns first curry.

Well I certainly call this messing things up......

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z176/BigSi23/eden-park2.jpg

What could have been.....

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z176/BigSi23/6d8069901284b71fe5d4.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z176/BigSi23/stadium_transport2-large.jpg

Is the top pic what we're actually going to end up getting? Wow those poor people in Reimers Ave will never see the sun during winter now.

Please PLEASE tell me that's not how it's gonna look for the World Cup? That's some intermediate stage right??

^^
Nah, thats the undercoat colour.
Its going to be painted white with dark blue stripes. :)

Somebody's head has to roll !!!

Ah come on this is New Zealand. We're terrified of spending any more than $200 million on anything.

please stop posting images of the hideous alien monster!

Well,...........brown can be fashionable too you know

Well,...........brown can be fashionable too you know

true. but its not the brown that freaks me out.

http://www.building.co.uk/Pictures/web/c/r/f/FaulknerBrowns_heatherwick.jpg
http://www.building.co.uk/Pictures/web/x/y/x/Hopkins.jpg

And the world's biggest lemon is............................................

EDEN PARK! Rrrrhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa!:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

And the world's biggest lemon is............................................

EDEN PARK! Rrrrhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa!:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

^^ ^^ Kaas your just .......................FAB!!!!!!!!!!!:lol: :banana: :banana: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :banana: :banana: :) :) :)

^^ OMG look at all those dancing bananas.

Has the Eden Park Trust Board got consent for the latest "design"?

:ohno: I'm not slagging you guys off because I’ve been to New Zealand several times and love the place but what a shame your government couldn't come up with more cash to fund a half decent stadium. Sadly New Zealand gets little international recognition, I feel the Rugby world cup would have been a great chance to shine with a superb looking world-class stadium. If anything, even without hosting the tournament, the all Blacks are one of, if not the best team in International rugby and deserve a national stadium to reflect this and what a great country New Zealand is in general!
Nevertheless Hope it’s a great tournament!

I do agree somewhat with the previous poster, it could have done NZ a lot of good to have world class venues to showcase how well we can put on an event to the world.

Like I said previously, I hope it doesn't harm our chances of hosting another major event... I'm sure we'll put on a good event when it comes down to it... Fingers crossed!

If national wins the next election is it possible we could still get the $385 million upgrade of Eden park??

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/edenpark11.jpg

I don't see why not. Surely with a more economy-boosting-focussed government such as National such investments (at such a price or more) would be high on the agenda.

could happen but i doubt it would

So there is still hope! :cheers:

So there is still hope! :cheers:

Only if you like National that is. :)

I'm still not sure that National is a good route forwards for the country. Labour may seem ineffectual but they've made social policies more their focus as you'd expect from a more "working class" geared government. Are infrastructure projects more important than people at the end of the day?

Instead of focusing on the building - think about how well we can carry off the atmosphere! NZ has some of the most dedicated rugby fans in the world! Buildings don't make a world cup, people do.

^^ Thats true...but still NZ surely wants a Stadium we can showpiece to the world without being imbarrased on the world stage. If we get the $385 million dollar upgrade it should do wonders for the international image of NZ. They need to rethink putting both the semi's in Auckland and instead put one semi final in Christchurch and the other semi final in Wellington. It would do alot more for tourism. I think people would get bored if the semi finals and the grand final were all played out in Auckland. Its also unfair for the supporters in the other NZ cities.

Agreed about the semi-finals being in Auckland - they should (in an ideal world) be split between both Wellington and Chch. The only issue is that fans may resent paying out major money to relocate between the two cities - understandably so, it's not cheap!

Also - Auckland does hold the greatest accomodation capacity etc etc. It is more of the "world city" than Wellington and Chch, and as much as I'd prefer them to be held in both of these cities I can see that Auckland is the more practical choice.

New Zealand couldn't organise a piss up at a brewery :cheers: , let alone a Rugby World Cup!!!!

What a joke it looks like Eden Park will be.... and with both Semi Finals :( I thought the rugby world cup was about the game and its fans.... not about being tight asses. I'm quite happy for a few extra of my tax dollars to get swallowed in a giant version of the caketin in Auckland..... like that'll happen now though, lol!

Supposedly there were enormous logistical issues with having the semi-finals somewhere other than where the final is to be played. In 2003 the big matches were all played in Sydney, this year they're all going to be played in Paris - that's just the way it is I think.

I read somewhere it was the issue of needing both semis on the same weekend (for fairness), and therefore needing to move all those people literally overnight. So both would have to be in the same place

with these bunch of shoddy stadiums south africa should step in and host.

with these bunch of shoddy stadiums south africa should step in and host.

Is your 3rd WORLD Country that desperate for some attention OR have the muggers on Table Mountain run out of wealthy tourists ?

with these bunch of shoddy stadiums south africa should step in and host.

I don't think so Mo, you can keep your crime ridden stadiums to yourself! I would rather sit on a wooden crate here than a beautiful glass adorned stadium that is reflecting yet another murder, mugging and baby being raped because the rapist was told by some minister that he will be cured of aids.

I don't think so Mo, you can keep your crime ridden stadiums to yourself! I would rather sit on a wooden crate here than a beautiful glass adorned stadium that is reflecting yet another murder, mugging and baby being raped because the rapist was told by some minister that he will be cured of aids.

And don't forget the levels of harassment from street children, vagrants and the endless amounts of hawkers (selling endless amounts of wooden giraffes and sheep heads) jostling for space on litter strewn pavements while you have to duck for cover when some "taxi" comes straight at you because he bought his license for $5.00 and the brakes don't work because the cardboard has worn down to nothing.

with these bunch of shoddy stadiums south africa should step in and host.

yes.

still cant believe this is what we are showcasing to the world:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/staduim_southStandNorthEastView-lar.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/staduim_southStandNorthWestView-lar.jpg


Depessing

:ohno: :nuts:

Apparently I'm well off the mark but I don't see what's so bad about the design. Looks like the materials are high quality and I like the glass. That said its a render, and they almost always are deceiving. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it came out better in the flesh. As for not going for the original design I'm much happier with the scaled down option, given the more pressing issues in AK. Then again I care 3/8ths of fuck all about Rugby so what would I know. Cricket on the other hand....

some typical responses. all i was referring to was the lack of quality stadia, south africa's second string/back up stadia would embarrass the bunch of stadia proposed for 2011. ive always contributed positively on these forums and that response is exactly what i expected.

I sympathize, Mo Rush. The replies were a little extreme. New Zealand does however suffer from serious political pap. If you want to host an event like the Rugby World Cup which, in the scheme of things, pales in comparison to other very major sporting events around the world, then you need quality. Quality = highest level of service to patrons through easy access (i.e. transport) and entry into stadia facilities, capacity for the numerous amount of people, good design to ensure that the stadium is pleasing to the eye and yet does its best to fit into its surrounding while still being a vanguard in stadium construction, very high quality, efficient score keeping and television facilities etc etc. Until New Zealand, and not just Auckland, can come up with similarly-thought-out stadia we will not compete to the level of say Germany, or USA. You may raise your arms and say that Germany and USA have far more chances of creating such stadia due to the money they have etc etc.. but cut a bit of NZ political pap and you may even get enough to have a decent Eden Park. The stadia of Germany were not built upon bureaucratic foundations.

some typical responses. all i was referring to was the lack of quality stadia, south africa's second string/back up stadia would embarrass the bunch of stadia proposed for 2011. ive always contributed positively on these forums and that response is exactly what i expected.

And all we were referring to is South Africa's current situation :cheers: Your "positive" contribution is also very expected. I know you long enough to know exactly how you make your little digs.

I sympathize, Mo Rush. The relplies were a little extreme. New Zealand does however suffer from serious political pap. If you want to host an event like the Rugby World Cup which, in the scheme of things, pales in comparison to other very major sporting events around the world, then you need quality. Quality = highest level of service to patrons through easy access (i.e. transport) and entry into stadia facilities, capacity for the numerous amount of people, good design to ensure that the stadium is pleasing to the eye and yet does its best to fit into its surrounding while still being a vanguard in stadium construction, very high quality, efficient score keeping and television facilities etc etc. Until New Zealand, and not just Auckland, can come up with similarly-thought-out stadia we will not compete to the level of say Germany, or USA. You may raise your arms and say that Germany and USA have far more chances of creating such stadia due to the money they have etc etc.. but cut a bit of NZ political pap and you may even get enough to have a decent Eden Park. The stadia of Germany were not built upon bureaucratic foundations.

There is a history here and until you know what it is feel free to comment as you wish but don't police me - BIG MISTAKE !! There is more to an event than a fucking stadium and it doesn't help crying about it .... nothing is going to change the design etc. 90% of us here don't like the stadium but MO has to keep on and on and on and on and on and on .......

The relplies were a little extreme.

Perhaps MonsieurAquilone, you should go and live in South Africa for a couple of years and then make a judgement on the extremity of the replies. The problem is no one in their right mind can actually get their head around these kind of replies as what was said seems so fanciful and extreme, yet it was heavily watered down. They are hardly extreme - just the simple truth. Don't believe me - go live there!

When I mentioned 'extreme', I was refering to the sudden attack on Mo Rush for his hypothetical suggestion. I do not at all rate the examples about South Africa given, as extreme - they are a sad and dangerous reality of which I am aware. I'm sorry if I interupted what was mere infighting, I just thought Mo Rush was quite suddenly lambasted for an innocent comment.

My apologies.

some typical responses. all i was referring to was the lack of quality stadia, south africa's second string/back up stadia would embarrass the bunch of stadia proposed for 2011. ive always contributed positively on these forums and that response is exactly what i expected.

From what I have seen and read on SSC, your interjection here is hardly as innocent as you would like to make out. What I don't understand is how you can be so impressed by a stadium/s that is been built in a country that does not need another stadium but actually needs millions of houses. Who cares about a fabulous structure when the country is unlivable?

When I mentioned 'extreme', I was refering to the sudden attack on Mo Rush for his hypothetical suggestion. I do not at all rate the examples about South Africa given, as extreme - they are a sad and dangerous reality of which I am aware. I'm sorry if I interupted what was mere infighting, I just thought Mo Rush was quite suddenly lambasted for an innocent comment.

My apologies.

Apology accepted. Read ^^ re: what you think was an innocent comment!

New Zealand stadia suck, that's a fact. South Africa is in dire need of homes - let alone many other things, without a doubt. I am not at all impressed by the said stadium in South Africa and I think the country needs to seriously invest in more societal-based development before trying to enshrine some glory in sports-orientated concrete. When Mo Rush said his comment, I was just a little shocked with the replies that came back.

The reason I cam onto this fourm was to participate in cheerful conversation about the many developments happening in New Zealand and the world, and I do hope that I am still welcome. In fact, I left New Zealand last year with a really bitter feeling - about our media, bureaucracy, our accent (yes, I know it's petty) but I came across this forum in April, whilst in France, which opened my eyes to the many things going on and such passionate people here concerned with NZ's development. Sure, NZ still has things that do annoy me, but I am really grateful for having typed in google words which lead me to this site.

So when I say any comment on this forum, it is with my opinion and feelings as how I see what has been provided and given just as I intend to provide if ever something important may come my way.

Yes, South Africa is a seriously dangerous place.
No, I did not imply this in my response.

Yes, this forum is about NZ stadia for the Rugby World Cup which I look foward to, so I am waiting with excitement as to what the country can produce, if it puts its mind to it!

^^ You are always welcome, dont worry about what anyone says. :)

I am certainly unimpressed with the downgraded Eden park and am sure im not the only one, but there is still a chance for the $385 million upgrade if National wins the next election and decides that they want to build it. So im still praying and staying positive. Other than that I think that The Cake Tin in Wellington is a nice stadium, as well as the newly proposed Dunedin stadium.




Eden Park as I hope for:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/edenpark11.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/edenpark21-1.jpg



The Cake Tin:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/westpacstadium.jpg

Dunedins nwly proposed stadium:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/2hmcxzs1.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/44ui5aq1.jpg

Whangarie's new stadium:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/Aerial_View_frmSouth1.jpg

Wow TonyNZ, thanks for the renders. The Dunedin and Whangerei stadia look really good. Do you know of their capacities?

Also Ami Stadium isn't that bad either!

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/Picture1gh.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/Picture1g.jpg


Now if we had all these as our world cup stadiums ide be over the moon! :banana:

Wow TonyNZ, thanks for the renders. The Dunedin and Whangerei stadia look really good. Do you know of their capacities?


Im sure the Dunedin Stadium has a capacity of 30,000 but has retractable seating so that most of the time it wiil be 25,000. Not to sure on the Whangarie stadium but should high teens maybe 20,000.... :cheers:

One thing that has always struck me as curious in this whole stadium debate is the fact that there is money to pay for it - people just don't use their imaginations.

- Example the govt bought an 85% stake of AirNZ for a bargain basement price that is now worth approximately 2.5 billion. One thing the NZ stock exchange also needs is extra liquidity, the govt could therefore sell 10% of their original investment, slightly increase the liquidity of one of our top stocks and spend $250million on infrastructure for the world cup. People may argue that this isn't the best use of such money but there are countless numbers of SOE's that could have say 20% of there capitilisation floated that could pay for many more important things. I'm talking billions upon billions of dollars whilst all the while still retaining majority public ownership interests in many 'sensitive' companies.

I understand the NZ economy is at capacity and an overload of infrastructure investment would be a bad idea but like you say having a great stadium to showcase to the world in 2011 would be better than a mish-mash that we will soon get.

It could prove embarrasing showing around all my friends from overseas my fantastic country in 2011 only to have them comment on shoddy public transport poor stadiums etc. etc.

There is a history here and until you know what it is feel free to comment as you wish but don't police me - BIG MISTAKE !! There is more to an event than a fucking stadium and it doesn't help crying about it .... nothing is going to change the design etc. 90% of us here don't like the stadium but MO has to keep on and on and on and on and on and on .......

There is definitely more to an event than a stadium. The title of this thread is....?

There is definitely more to an event than a stadium. The title of this thread is....?

Mo - you made your point ages ago and most of us agree with you. Can you remember the time when everybody else was saying that South Africa shouldn't host the Soccer World Cup ? if you remember correctly everybody here backed South Africa and then you come with your insolence. Very uncalled for mate :ohno:

The RWC 2011 is an event that is going to last a couple of weeks and then it is gone. The stadium is in use for a couple of hours and trust me nobody but us fools here at SSC will be looking at the architecture - the majority of the people are interested in the game.

Auckland will be left with a much larger legacy i.e. improved public transport which is already leagues ahead of South Africa, a new waterfront etc. So in a nut-shell, you hate the design and I hate the design but enough already - nothing is going to change it. It is an old record, stuck on the same tune.

One thing that has always struck me as curious in this whole stadium debate is the fact that there is money to pay for it - people just don't use their imaginations.

- Example the govt bought an 85% stake of AirNZ for a bargain basement price that is now worth approximately 2.5 billion. One thing the NZ stock exchange also needs is extra liquidity, the govt could therefore sell 10% of their original investment, slightly increase the liquidity of one of our top stocks and spend $250million on infrastructure for the world cup. People may argue that this isn't the best use of such money but there are countless numbers of SOE's that could have say 20% of there capitilisation floated that could pay for many more important things. I'm talking billions upon billions of dollars whilst all the while still retaining majority public ownership interests in many 'sensitive' companies.
no... the government could use their large surplus (unless they've blown it already)
remember they were willing to pay for the waterfront stadium

Mo - you made your point ages ago and most of us agree with you. Can you remember the time when everybody else was saying that South Africa shouldn't host the Soccer World Cup ? if you remember correctly everybody here backed South Africa and then you come with your insolence. Very uncalled for mate :ohno:

The RWC 2011 is an event that is going to last a couple of weeks and then it is gone. The stadium is in use for a couple of hours and trust me nobody but us fools here at SSC will be looking at the architecture - the majority of the people are interested in the game.

Auckland will be left with a much larger legacy i.e. improved public transport which is already leagues ahead of South Africa, a new waterfront etc. So in a nut-shell, you hate the design and I hate the design but enough already - nothing is going to change it. It is an old record, stuck on the same tune.

I heard that Cape Town isn't too terrible with its train system. They're investing a good amount of money in the PT there aren't they? Sorry, just playing devils advocate.

I agree though 100% - Mo's comments are way out of line and NZ will be able to pull off the RWC.

no... the government could use their large surplus (unless they've blown it already)
remember they were willing to pay for the waterfront stadium

I guess you had your tounge firmly in check i have no legs..... :) what I was trying to imply is the govt bailed out Air NZ without the aim of tripling their money, so essentially (as dire straits said) they got their money for nothing, they could therefore even blow it all on hats! :lol: :banana: whereas a surplus (which I'm sure they have blown - or at least have said is allocated for the next 100years) is what they have taken off people through excess taxes. I'm sure a lot of the public would find it abhorent that their overtaxed dollars were being spent on a temple to rugby in Auckland - free money from the stockmarket may be a little bit easier to swallow - the waterfront stadium did fail after all.....

Hi Guys and Gals. Been reading your thread with mch interest. Ugly stadiums or not, at the end of ther day Rugby whould be the winner. Not all of Frances stadiums used in the current RWC 2007 are that great, but you know what... in a couople of months time it is irrelevant... only the result matters. So, from a pure South African, good luck with your prearations and hope to meet you in the final of this years World Cup.

Banks' Eden Park vow 'school ground stuff' - Lee
NZ HERALD - Updated 10:29AM Thursday September 13, 2007

John Banks' promise not to spend ratepayers' money on upgrading Eden Park has been attacked by Auckland Regional Council chairman Mike Lee as illogical and politically hostile. Mr Banks, who is campaigning for the Auckland City mayoralty, yesterday said he opposed spending city cash on improving Eden Park for the 2011 Rugby World Cup when the Government had truckloads of spare cash and had flashed an open chequebook to finance a waterfront stadium. But Mr Lee today told nzherald.co.nz: "It's school ground stuff. It's about time we should all grow up as a country." He said he personally supported the ARC contributing to the upgrade - via the Treasury, not rates - but the council had not taken a joint decision on it and he did not think it should be an election issue. "After the election we should sit down quietly and work out our position," Mr Lee said.

Mr Banks yesterday said he could live with a council contribution to infrastructure for the cup, such as roading and public transport, "but no money for the actual upgrade itself". He also pledged to scrap a $9 million budget for affordable housing. Rugby World Cup Minister Trevor Mallard had no comment to make on Mr Banks' position. Auckland City councillors have given the Government a secret financing plan for the cup. The Herald understands it totals $50 million to $60 million, with about $23 million earmarked for Eden Park. The plan sets conditions, including a requirement that the Auckland Regional Council match the Eden Park spending dollar for dollar. Mr Hubbard said he supported putting about $23 million into the $190 million upgrade, subject to the council having a say on design and construction, a role in governance of the park and assurances about financial liabilities after the cup.

A Herald-DigiPoll survey this time last year found 46.7 per cent of Aucklanders believed the Rugby Union should make the biggest contribution to Eden Park. If Mr Banks wins the mayoralty, he will need backing from the new council to block spending on Eden Park. Several City Vision-Labour councillors are opposed to it. Citizens & Ratepayers leader Scott Milne said the centre-right ticket voted in favour of the funding plan for the cup, but was still discussing it. He was detecting a hardening of attitude over a contribution to Eden Park because of the lack of response from the Government. Auckland Rugby Union chairman Ken Baguley, who is standing as a C&R candidate for the council in the Hobson ward, said from a rugby point of view it was right for Auckland City to make a contribution. Whether it be to the park or the surrounding area was a matter for discussion.

Mr Banks, who sold the council's pensioner units to the Government for $83 million, also rejected a council plan to help low-to-middle income earners buy homes in Auckland. Tomorrow, the council is due to reveal it is putting $9 million into a partnership with a charity, the New Zealand Housing Foundation, and developer McConnell Property to provide 100 homes over five years. But Mr Banks said housing was an issue for the Government and he would scrap the scheme.

Someone hit that man and attack him with a sedative before he makes more statements like that which hamper our World Cup progress...

Not only that but he's advocating the refusal of affordable housing. This guy seriously needs to be silenced.

I agree that the Government should fund it in lieu of the fact that they were willing to spend a billion Dollars on a waterfront stadium BUT I don't want this man to be the next Mayor ... he will sit on the money and treat it as his golden egg - nothing will be done to improve Auckland ! Hubbard still gets my vote.

I agree that the Government should fund it in lieu of the fact that they were willing to spend a billion Dollars on a waterfront stadium BUT I don't want this man to be the next Mayor ... he will sit on the money and treat it as his golden egg - nothing will be done to improve Auckland ! Hubbard still gets my vote.

The Government did say that they didn't want to invest in Eden Park. It was the in-fighting that led to the dismissal of the Waterfront Stadium so the Government pulled out. It was the NIMBYs who won the day there.

I agree though, I would vote for Hubbard (if I lived in AC). I don't know who to vote for when it comes to Manukau, each of the prospects looks HORRIFIC! I have met a couple of the candidates and they can barely rub two brain cells together.

^^^ Oh my - what to do ? I guess Auckland deserves what it gets - the stupid buggers !!

Have to even things up a bit here!!
BANKS gets my vote.
He is right. It is the Govmint ( :) ) that is being a little twee when it comes to funding WC stadiums per se.
Their agenda? - who knows but I do know that I have given up on Dullard and co.
And as for affordable housing...well surely this is a Govmint responsibility?
Why burden local government via rates when we have already paid taxes to fund this kind of stuff?
Vote vote vote my friends :cheers:

Have to even things up a bit here!!
BANKS gets my vote.
He is right. It is the Govmint ( :) ) that is being a little twee when it comes to funding WC stadiums per se.
Their agenda? - who knows but I do know that I have given up on Dullard and co.
And as for affordable housing...well surely this is a Govmint responsibility?
Why burden local government via rates when we have already paid taxes to fund this kind of stuff?
Vote vote vote my friends :cheers:

Well, no. Mallard did say he didn't want to waste money on Eden Park right from the start when he was pushing the Waterfront Stadium plans. I can't say I blame him as Eden Park is a problem and a bad location really despite its historical connotations.

In the UK, local councils are responsible for council housing along with the Central Government. There is no reason that ACC shouldn't help out a bit. Taxes are stretched as it is and I seriously don't agree with the Central Governments spending initiatives with our taxes at the moment. Both health and education need that money desperately, especially health. Local councils should help out more when it comes to housing, end of story.

^^
End of who's story?
We do it differently here.
Housing (affordable/social) is a big ticket item.
Should be paid for by the Government who have the most money to give out in the first place...our money of course!!

^^
End of who's story?
We do it differently here.
Housing (affordable/social) is a big ticket item.
Should be paid for by the Government who have the most money to give out in the first place...our money of course!!

Well fair enough. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. :)

^^ Thats true...but still NZ surely wants a Stadium we can showpiece to the world without being imbarrased on the world stage. If we get the $385 million dollar upgrade it should do wonders for the international image of NZ. They need to rethink putting both the semi's in Auckland and instead put one semi final in Christchurch and the other semi final in Wellington. It would do alot more for tourism. I think people would get bored if the semi finals and the grand final were all played out in Auckland. Its also unfair for the supporters in the other NZ cities.

Any responsible human being, hates being "shamed out".But that is precisely what will occur in 2011.Even when the proposed $190 million new stand for Eden Park is complete,it will still look like a common-place stadium that you can find anywhere in countries like Turkey or Africa.:old:

Example:

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/aegean/izmir_ataturk.shtml

I have the unwanted distinction of visiting Eden Park every 3 weeks as part of my job.It is the most pathetically disorganized public sporting facility that I have ever had the honor of frequenting.:weird:

As I stood on the pitch between the Western and Southerns stands looking to-wards the proposed new eastern stand,I thought to myself."Well if this is where they are going to hold the worlds 3rd biggest sporting event behind the Olympics and the FWC"....then I vow to leave the country for the duration of the RWC 2011,because I'm not going to be part of the OECD embarrassment called Eden Park 2011.No way!.:ohno:

It is now a consummate "shit-hole".Come 2011 it will be no more than a "piss arse" attempt to provide a venue that ONLY Forest Gump would be happy to sit in.:toilet: FFS!

God save N.Z.......

Isn't it the fourth biggest event in the world? Doesn't the Commonwealth Games generate a larger following than the Rugby World Cup?

Also, it's a bit unfair to say that Turkey and Africa have no good stadia (like your comment implies through merit of your arguement throughout).

Isn't it the fourth biggest event in the world? Doesn't the Commonwealth Games generate a larger following than the Rugby World Cup?

Also, it's a bit unfair to say that Turkey and Africa have no good stadia (like your comment implies through merit of your arguement throughout).

Africa except South Africa

you could give more than one example of these stadiums you speak of, don't worry eden park will be unique

Mo Rush quick to defend his beloved south africa and his honour in doing so

you could give more than one example of these stadiums you speak of, don't worry eden park will be unique

Mo Rush quick to defend his beloved south africa and his honour in doing so

eden park will surely be unique.

QUOTE=Svartmetall;15366937]Isn't it the fourth biggest event in the world? Doesn't the Commonwealth Games generate a larger following than the Rugby World Cup?

Also, it's a bit unfair to say that Turkey and Africa have no good stadia (like your comment implies through merit of your arguement throughout).[/QUOTE]

Statistics for 2006: http://www.initiative.com/static/prDec2006.html

Sadly the 2006 Commonwealth Games in Melbourne, does not make it into the top 10.

huh?....Turkey and Africa [excepting -South Africa] don't have good stadia:ohno: .Where are they??.:dunno:

Oh!.....you mean these ones?.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/africa/maps/africa.shtml

Find me a stadium outside of South Africa worthy of hosting the RWC 2011.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/tonybratina/staduim_southStandNorthEastView-lar.jpg[ :puke:

If this F^ck Knuckle excuse for World Attention ever gets built.The jokes on you :laugh: I'm booking a plane to Europe :runaway: for 4-5 weeks holiday until its all over.:okay:

Statistics for 2006: http://www.initiative.com/static/prDec2006.html

Sadly the 2006 Commonwealth Games in Melbourne, does not make it into the top 10.

huh?....Turkey and Africa [excepting -South Africa] don't have good stadia:ohno: .Where are they??.:dunno:

Oh!.....you mean these ones?.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/africa/maps/africa.shtml

Find me a stadium outside of South Africa worthy of hosting the RWC 2011.

Are you completely ignorant? Almost every country in Africa falls into the catagory of "third world", something which New Zealand does not. I think with abject poverty on their doorstep they have more important things to worry about than providing world class stadia for the rest of the world to coo over. This doesn't mean that you can go and rub this fact in their face. Also, you seem to forget that only a select few nations actually have any interest whatsoever in Rugby and therefore not many actually have dedicated Rugby Stadia. Morocco was shortlisted for the FIFA Football World Cup against South Africa. But of course this doesn't mean that they could host the Rugby World Cup does it?

As for Turkey, does the measure of a countries worth hinge on the acceptance of YOUR criteria for what constitutes a good stadium? Turkey has done a lot to develop itself as a nation and if having "pretty" stadia falls by the wayside, so be it. I am sure if Turkey actually decided to shift its focus to building stadia ready for the World Cup (if it was given the opportunity to do so) they would put on a fantastic show. Is belittling other countries your way of making yourself feel better about yourself?

Finally: using the TV ratings as a gauge of how large a sporting event is, is simply flawed. Do you think that people tend to tune in simultaneously for the Olympics? Of course not, people tend to watch highlights, same with the Commonwealth games. Football matches and rugby matches are at set times over a set length, the Commonwealth games and Olympics have events throughout the day. May I also point out that the last Commonwealth Games consisted of 247 events, with 4500 athletes participating with over 71 different countries sending athletes. This is not a small event. In comparison, the last World Cup in Australia only had 20 nations involved with 48 matches played. A much smaller event by anyones standards.

Are you completely ignorant? Almost every country in Africa falls into the catagory of "third world", something which New Zealand does not. I think with abject poverty on their doorstep they have more important things to worry about than providing world class stadia for the rest of the world to coo over. This doesn't mean that you can go and rub this fact in their face. Also, you seem to forget that only a select few nations actually have any interest whatsoever in Rugby and therefore not many actually have dedicated Rugby Stadia. Morocco was shortlisted for the FIFA Football World Cup against South Africa. But of course this doesn't mean that they could host the Rugby World Cup does it?

As for Turkey, does the measure of a countries worth hinge on the acceptance of YOUR criteria for what constitutes a good stadium? Turkey has done a lot to develop itself as a nation and if having "pretty" stadia falls by the wayside, so be it. I am sure if Turkey actually decided to shift its focus to building stadia ready for the World Cup (if it was given the opportunity to do so) they would put on a fantastic show. Is belittling other countries your way of making yourself feel better about yourself?

Finally: using the TV ratings as a gauge of how large a sporting event is, is simply flawed. Do you think that people tend to tune in simultaneously for the Olympics? Of course not, people tend to watch highlights, same with the Commonwealth games. Football matches and rugby matches are at set times over a set length, the Commonwealth games and Olympics have events throughout the day. May I also point out that the last Commonwealth Games consisted of 247 events, with 4500 athletes participating with over 71 different countries sending athletes. This is not a small event. In comparison, the last World Cup in Australia only had 20 nations involved with 48 matches played. A much smaller event by anyones standards.

Are you completely ignorant? Eden Park looking like any stadium in Africa is fact.

I don't have to belittle other countries,in order to feel good about myself.I prefer to visit them in person.:)

If television viewership stastics are "simply flawed" then broadcast companys should apply in writing to YOU instead,since your methodology is far superior to anything that the aforesaid Media company could ever have achieved for its client.FFS:ohno:

Erm, my response on using TV ratings has nothing to do with broadcast companies et al, you're missing the point. I'm talking about international participation, event scope and amount of sports people involved. I think that when we're talking about event size and importance, these are far more accurate than using TV ratings which only consider how many people are viewing at one particular moment. Like I said, rugby matches et al occur at a set time over a set short period whereas the Olympics occur over a whole day. Unless people sit there for a whole day and view the Games then I very much doubt that there will be "high" TV ratings. This is the point I was making. I know that when I "watched" the last Olympics I tended to view one event, look at the medals tally and then switch over. I think many people do the same.

The TV ratings are useful for knowing when the highest number of people are viewing one particular thing because they can tailor adverts to them, apply larger fees to advertisers etc etc, this is when they're particularly useful, not gauging importance. Otherwise the Jerry Springer Show would be one of the most important events the world has ever seen.

Also, do you not see how saying "Eden Park is crap, ergo it looks like an African stadium" is demeaning to African nations? If you can't then you really need to learn some tact.

Also, do you not see how saying "Eden Park is crap, ergo it looks like an African stadium" is demeaning to African nations? If you can't then you really need to learn some tact

I'm far too worldly and wise to ever obey the principals regarding your sensitive side.I have no qualms what-so-ever in Calling Eden Park the cum nut - fuck knuckle Stadium that it is.And yes!.....My opinion re: African Stadiums [excepting South Africa] remains the same.

I'm far too worldly and wise to ever obey the principals regarding your sensitive side.I have no qualms what-so-ever in Calling Eden Park the cum nut - fuck knuckle Stadium that it is.And yes!.....My opinion re: African Stadiums [excepting South Africa] remains the same.

A worldly and wise person would know better than to compare a third world nation with a GDP smaller than your IQ, to New Zealand. Apples with apples, oranges with oranges. Can you really blame Africa for not having the best infrastructure around?

That attitude does no one any good when it comes to forming opinions and making comparisons and shows a not-so-nice side to your personality. I think that the fans will help pull off a good world cup DESPITE the stadium. At the end of the day, a building is only a building. Some of the best events I've been to around the world are not in the nicest looking buildings, but it doesn't diminish my appreciation of them.

QUOTE=Svartmetall;15366937]

Find me a stadium outside of South Africa worthy of hosting the RWC 2011.


Abuja National Stadium (80,000)

http://www.iseg.giees.uncc.edu/abuja2006/images/abuja16.jpg
General View: http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/NGR/Abuja3.jpg
Panorama: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/1463351.jpg

Cairo International Stadium (80,000)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/egypt/cairo_stadium2.jpg

Stade 7 Novembre, Rades Tunisia

http://www.conica.basf.com/NR/rdonlyres/0BFBE1F0-E021-4E8B-BB4F-382C30652094/0/Tunesien1.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/437360959_f30a7bc629.jpg?v=0

Alexandria, Egypt

http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/EGY/Borg_el_Arab_A.JPG
http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/EGY/Borg_el_Arab_A2.JPG

Well, those are very impressive stadia, but of course they CAN'T be from Africa can they Mo? I mean, according to Utopia they can't possibly exist in Africa...

Well, those are very impressive stadia, but of course they CAN'T be from Africa can they Mo? I mean, according to Utopia they can't possibly exist in Africa...

i have nothing against him for saying that. in fact i expect quite a few "out of the sorts" responses in this thread, because id be pretty fragile too if south africa built a glorified scaffold to host a final of a rugby/soccer world cup.

QUOTE=Svartmetall;15366937]

huh?....Turkey don't have good stadia:ohno: .Where are they??.:dunno:


Ataturk Olympic Stadium 82000
UEFA Champions League Final Venue 2005

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/architecture/stadium_design/pictures/istanbul_ataturk/istanbul_ataturk1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/architecture/stadium_design/pictures/istanbul_ataturk/istanbul_ataturk3.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/11/16065096_871b7eb4b3.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/11/16065096_871b7eb4b3.jpg?v=0

Fenerbache Stadium 60000

http://www.stadiumguide.com/sukru5.jpg
http://www.stadiumguide.com/sukru7.jpg
http://www.stadiumguide.com/sukru6.jpg

Izmir
Universiade 2005

http://www.conica.basf.com/NR/rdonlyres/287099F7-0E2A-4AED-865B-A4D0BAD11540/71317/turkey.bmp
http://www.aksa.com.tr/images/bulten/resb1.jpg

^^
We all know that NZ is the World's poorest first world country...if you know what I mean!
We just don't have the money (so the government tells us :) ) to justify spending on an extravagent stadium.
In fact you would have to wonder where the money was sourced to build these very expensive African stadiums above.
Obviously a legitimate expense to showcase these great countries to the world (Tui ad here).
All above board and I'm sure the citizens of the countries involved were well fed, housed and had a decent health system and the stadiums were just the icing on the cake?

^^
We all know that NZ is the World's poorest first world country...if you know what I mean!
We just don't have the money (so the government tells us :) ) to justify spending on an extravagent stadium.
In fact you would have to wonder where the money was sourced to build these very expensive African stadiums above.
Obviously a legitimate expense to showcase these great countries to the world (Tui ad here).
All above board and I'm sure the citizens of the countries involved were well fed, housed and had a decent health system and the stadiums were just the icing on the cake?

He's not showing those stadiums for that reason - he's showing them because Utopia was saying that Africa and Turkey had rubbish stadia and couldn't host a Rugby World Cup. Read up the thread a bit and you'll see that he's not simply showcasing Africa (or Turkey for that matter), he's more trying to tell Utopia to stop being so myopic. :)

You all know why we don't have a good stadium? Not even a smidgen close to what Mo Rush showed us? Where is this hallowed garden of Eden to match the All Blacks that we seem to glorify? It is stuck in the minds of those who want something so totally impressive, words can't describe (and good on them, us, me..). And it will stay like that until Auckland and the whole of New Zealand realises why we can't get this.
For example... Everybody poopooed John Banks when he didn't want anything to do with the council paying for the stadium, therefore no council input. Good on him - all the council's (chump change when put into perspective) money would be spent on consultant after consultant after consultant after consultant..should I keep going??? (It's the truth) People keep repeating this... = if Mr. Mallard was so keen to plonk a giant stadium on the waterfront, all expenses organised and prepared, why can't the same be done with another stadium?

It is all this bending over backwards to every little party that creates all the inaction. It is why New Zealand has the biggest potential to have some real growth as a small nation, but political and social idiocy prevent this. In many parts of the world, they just do it. If they struggle with funding, they find some. They're wily enough. Yet we are stuck here with everyone's own selfish interests blocking any real progress to what could be a cool stadium. And in the same breath, the media loves to say how the All Blacks are so fabulous and "Portugal [were] pounded." yet half of Portugal hasn't even heard of the All Blacks and probably would prefer watching some soccer in one of their nice stadia.

Rant over. Shape up NZ or ship out.

I think its too late...we have shipped out :)
It is little old NZ we are talking about after all!!

it was interesting how nobody seemed to complain about what eden park would be like in 2011 until the great stadium debate

A worldly and wise person would know better than to compare a third world nation with a GDP smaller than your IQ, to New Zealand. Apples with apples, oranges with oranges. Can you really blame Africa for not having the best infrastructure around?

That attitude does no one any good when it comes to forming opinions and making comparisons and shows a not-so-nice side to your personality. I think that the fans will help pull off a good world cup DESPITE the stadium. At the end of the day, a building is only a building. Some of the best events I've been to around the world are not in the nicest looking buildings, but it doesn't diminish my appreciation of them.

Lets see now......For the demeaning and condescending person that you are.I sincerely hope that when your sitting in the terraces at Eden Park and a heavy object hits you in the back of the head.Just remember one thing.Your own quote: I think that the fans will help pull off a good world cup DESPITE the stadium.

Blame the World Bank for not doing enough for Africa,blame Western Governments for there pig ignorance,blame Nigerian scammers for there fraudulant behaviour worldwide on a massive scale.But,DON'T throw stones from your own glasshouse,when I make a statement that merely saiz that Eden Park is crap,and would be commonplace in either Turkey or Africa.

It's also a fact that lonely persons such as yourself flock to Internet forums like this, to "wind up" persons like 'myself' whom already know what a sad unit you are.

Ataturk Olympic Stadium 82000
UEFA Champions League Final Venue 2005

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/architecture/stadium_design/pictures/istanbul_ataturk/istanbul_ataturk1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/architecture/stadium_design/pictures/istanbul_ataturk/istanbul_ataturk3.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/11/16065096_871b7eb4b3.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/11/16065096_871b7eb4b3.jpg?v=0

Fenerbache Stadium 60000

http://www.stadiumguide.com/sukru5.jpg
http://www.stadiumguide.com/sukru7.jpg
http://www.stadiumguide.com/sukru6.jpg

Izmir
Universiade 2005

http://www.conica.basf.com/NR/rdonlyres/287099F7-0E2A-4AED-865B-A4D0BAD11540/71317/turkey.bmp
http://www.aksa.com.tr/images/bulten/resb1.jpg

Thanks mate,for posting the above.:okay:

Im impressed with Ataturk Olympic Stadium 82000
UEFA Champions League Final Venue 2005.:)

Most of Turkeys stadiums are so-so...great to see them pissing all over the NZ Govt in terms of "modern infrastructure".Something to be proud of.Something decent to leave for future generations.Not the "Joe 90" cheapskate version proposed for the RWC 2011.:ohno:

^^ Utopia2007, your debate comparing African stadiums to NZ ones, makes as much sense as arguing whether the next Gay Games should be held in Saudi Arabia or not. They are two completely different animals. You are basing your argument on the very poor premise that a stadium is a sum of its inorganic parts and many have stated above that this is not the case. Not sure what I mean, take a trip to Africa and find out for yourself!

Historically Africa builds a stadium the moment they get independence or a new ruler comes to power. It's what's happening in the shadow of the stadiums thats of vital importance not the stadium itself. You have completely missed the points made many times above.

I guess I'm just a "sad person" who isn't allowed an opinion simply because it conflicts with his (Utopia's) views. Now that personal insults are being bandied around on both sides I'll take a quick exit from this and say "history will be written by the victor" when the World Cup touches down on NZ soil in 4 years time.

Though just for the record - before any aspersions are cast upon my private life I would ask that you get your facts straight and actually get to know me in person first before making judgements like you did above.

And finally, just because you've infuriated me with your banal comments; LEARN ENGLISH! It would very much help if you were able to construct proper sentences that made SENSE, but I believe this is too much to ask.

Lets see now......For the demeaning and condescending person that you are.I sincerely hope that when your sitting in the terraces at Eden Park and a heavy object hits you in the back of the head.

Firstly, full stop in the wrong place. Adjective disagreement with the end of your second sentence where you accuse me of being condescending. In addition, you have formulated a lovely fragment there. You might consider revising how you word things.

Blame the World Bank for not doing enough for Africa,blame Western Governments for there pig ignorance,blame Nigerian scammers for there fraudulant behaviour worldwide on a massive scale.But,DON'T throw stones from your own glasshouse,when I make a statement that merely saiz that Eden Park is crap,and would be commonplace in either Turkey or Africa.

Full stop after Africa, you can't link the sentence with a comma. Of course after that full stop would come a capital letter, it's pre-school again kiddies! Separate "glass" and "house" please. I do believe the last time I consulted the OED that "saiz" is absent, you might mean "says" or "stated", either way both are a better option than your pseudo-English.

It's also a fact that lonely persons such as yourself flock to Internet forums like this, to "wind up" persons like 'myself' whom already know what a sad unit you are.

Finally; no need to ' ' myself in this instance. Incorrect use of whom, and since when can you refer to someone as a "unit"?

Grab an education on your way out and don't forget to close the door. Many thanks.


^^ Utopia2007, your debate comparing African stadiums to NZ ones, makes as much sense as arguing whether the next Gay Games should be held in Saudi Arabia or not. They are two completely different animals. You are basing your argument on the very poor premise that a stadium is a sum of its inorganic parts and many have stated above that this is not the case. Not sure what I mean, take a trip to Africa and find out for yourself!

Historically Africa builds a stadium the moment they get independence or a new ruler comes to power. It's what's happening in the shadow of the stadiums thats of vital importance not the stadium itself. You have completely missed the points made many times above.

Thank you for bringing some balance to this debate.

[QUOTE=Mr_kiwi_fruit;15399157It's what's happening in the shadow of the stadiums thats of vital importance not the stadium itself. QUOTE]
Thanks Mr KF - what a powerful statement!!

Was that Mr Mugabae in the main stadium of Harare just a few weeks back futher oppressing the people he is "ment to be serving"?

Thanks Mr KF - what a powerful statement!!

Was that Mr Mugabae in the main stadium of Harare just a few weeks back futher oppressing the people he is "ment to be serving"?

"Mugabe, oppressing people since 1987."

Someone should make a T-shirt and drop them over Harare.

And in South Africa 4 million people are living in shanty towns (the ENTIRE population of NZ) and yet they are spending billions on Stadiums .... point proven !

And in South Africa 4 million people are living in shanty towns (the ENTIRE population of NZ) and yet they are spending billions on Stadiums .... point proven !

In the case of South Africa, at least there may be economic benefits to reap from this cash, which they are sowing at the moment. If they pull off this event, they could be in for a huge foreign investment windfall which might begin to help those living in slums.

On the other hand, it could go badly and end up with further foreign corporate detachment from Africa.

Either way it's a gamble and I hope for the continents sake that their attempt works out!

PS: I apologise for my behaviour earlier in the thread, I just despise people constantly putting third world countries down and basing everything on the superficial in a world where substance seems to count for so little these days.