The height of Bay West and Bay East towers has been reduced by 5 floors ! (Apparently by instruction from the municipality)



Intresting. Do most towers not get Approval before they launch. I'm sure no doubt someone is going to have a go at DS for this but sounds like they had no choice. But why let the middle tower remain at the current height which was already 8 floors taller then the other towers.

Intresting. Do most towers not get Approval before they launch. I'm sure no doubt someone is going to have a go at DS for this but sounds like they had no choice. But why let the middle tower remain at the current height which was already 8 floors taller then the other towers.

No doubt there are certain stages of approval and DS probably had outline permission and launched accordingly (probably with a nod and a wink that everything would be OK at final approval stage). Forty floors for residential towers would be same height as JBR and I would guess the authorities felt a lowering of the height would be more aesthetic. Still think it will look very good may be even better. Also with less apartments will be more exclusive and less people to use facilities...swimming pool, gym etc...

projexts have to approved before they can be sold in dubai, but this doesnt meen they cant be sold overseas.

the change probably has to do with population density, only a certain number of people per sqft floor plan, most buildings are well within this, but a hotel is denser, so that could be the problem, strange they reduced the other 2 and not the hotel though.

the municipaly have very little asthetical input, see Al Yacoub tower as an example. they couldnt prevent it despite knowing how ugly it is!

very interesting and rather stupid though.

btw i still think Yacoub will be redesigned.

what's the big deal if 5 floors have been reduced? I'm sure it's not because "lack of sales" since the tower has barely taken off... also the municipality letting the hotel tower stand taller is probably because of Dubai's shortage of hotel rooms right now.

The hotel tower at 50 floors will be around 10 floors higher than JBR with great views from the top floor over the Palm etc......and could well be a restaurant. :)

what's the big deal if 5 floors have been reduced? I'm sure it's not because "lack of sales" since the tower has barely taken off... also the municipality letting the hotel tower stand taller is probably because of Dubai's shortage of hotel rooms right now.

A big deal for those who bought in the top 5 floors hoping for palm views, now blocked by some JBR towers if 5 or more floors lower.

^^ if that's the case they can get their money back and it's definitely not the end of the world.. besides anyone hoping to invest close to two million bux thinking they can get a clean "palm view" from ABOVE fattan and JBR towers dont have the brains to hold on to their money for long neway

Just seems a bit daft launching BC then having to change plans so soon and some people getting messed about..... still waiting for the hotel chain announcement.

I think DS are playing a dangerous Damac-style game ...

Having said that, Torch seems to be progressing, albeit way too slow to hit any deadline before 2010.

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Soil Testing 10-12-06

I have spoken to DS today and they confirmed that the residential towers will now be 36 as opposed to 41 floors. This will apparently only affect those who purchased on floors 36 and above. Also on the hotel issue I was advised that the announcement will be made "shortly" and the delay is due to the hotel group who have acquired the building not releasing the brand as they have several brand names???? Any ideas folks???

^^ Looking forward to Express Inn by Holiday Inn, part of Intercontinental Group. :lol:

Hi guys,

nice to meet you all and happy new Year !

I am new, however would appreciate your opions about 24th floor West Tower 1 Bed appartment as i bought in in one of those...

Thnks

Brgds

^^ Asking an opinion after you have bought is not a great idea! However my only opinion on this one is that it's going to be too long before it will be delivered.

Anyone have the finishes/equipment schedule?

Congratulations Caesar7 and welcome to the forum. Yes you've made a really good investment decision, I've bought a one bed as well. You'll find overall that DS are a very good company to deal with.

You'll also find however, one or two DS bashers on this forum, but don't take any notice of them as they have a hidden agenda - not sure why though. Such as TrueBlue who made a recent comment that " it could take DS years to start construction of BC ". Of course they'll claim that they're only trying to help us ....... :lol: :lol::lol:

Best wishes and look forward to having you as a neighbour. :)

DS told me this morning that they only have 2 one beds left now.

Congrats Caesar. A nice tower to own an apartment in and great location on the Marina 'island'. Well in the very worst case you could sell on at 7% price increase when East Tower is sold out as prices are due to increase next month.

Morris, that's not fair labeling me a DS basher.:bash: :bash: :bash: (or should that be libeling me?:lol: )

I have nothing to gain from that, so that is why I always keep my posts impartial and honest. Anyway your colleague Steve is correct, the island is the place to be and Bay Central is as its name suggests, right in the centre. Great Location :banana:

Now lets get it built so the rest of the residents don't have to put up with the construction nuisance for years! Oh and welcome to the forum Caesar7.

DS told me this morning that they only have 2 one beds left now.

Hi

Any info on how many 2 and 3 bed appts for sale in BC West Tower?

thks

DS told me this morning that they only have 2 one beds left now.

Doesnt surprise me as the 3 beds and the 1 beds have the best views in BC.

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DS told me this morning that they only have 2 one beds left now.
Hmmm

Thursday I got a list with available apartments. There are many 1 br left. They have sold around 33 % and then some more under reserved. Im looking to buy an apartment in BC but I dont like these different reports from DS. But I could jump the gun here. Because there could be a misunderstanding. There are only 2 x 1br left with the good view. I mean facing the marina.

Hmmm

Thursday I got a list with available apartments. There are many 1 br left. They have sold around 33 % and then some more under reserved. Im looking to buy an apartment in BC but I dont like these different reports from DS. But I could jump the gun here. Because there could be a misunderstanding. There are only 2 x 1br left with the good view. I mean facing the marina.

Sorry Smergel, my fault I should have said DS only have two "Marina facing" one beds left.....Apologies. ( Also I'm sure they would be including the ones that have been "reserved" as sold, as of course they can't sell these if a reservation is out on them).

First of all thanks for the welcome !

Anybody got an idea if West Tower 1 Bed appartments (20-24th floor opposite to Hotel tower) will be obstructed in future of other buildings nearby ?

What is the realistic completion date and compensation plans of DC if delayed ?

Thanks and hv a nice weekend !

If you mean Marina view apartments then nothing can be built in front of them as they are on waters edge. If you're referring to smaller one beds on the side facing west, again nothing could be built in front as BC stands on a semi-circular plot into the Marina. Next tower along would be Marina Quays which is only 12 floors high so you'll see over it.
Completion date is set for 31/12/09 which gives three years to build, I reckon unlikely to be delayed as hotel involved, however others may think differently. Compensation kicks in 12 months from then.

Some updated text from the DS website:

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Bay Central is beautifully located at the heart of Dubai Marina, lapped by crystal clear waters that shimmer and sparkle in year-round sunshine. This well-appointed, exclusive development consists of 3 impressive towers, each offering magnificent panoramic views.

Each and every one of our Bay Central residences is truly in a class of its own, with one tower becoming a 5-star international hotel, complete with serviced apartments.

Offering every comfort and convenience, as a Bay Central resident you will have access to an entire suite of services and facilities.

Designed with every conceivable aspect of modern living in mind, each apartment within the residential tower Bay West features stylish bathrooms, contemporary fitted kitchens, complete with granite worktops and boasts state-of-the-art internet and telecommunication systems throughout.

^^ they show them to be taller than JBR?

DS always has somewhat 'rose-tinted' marketing material (and always pretend they're nearly sold out).

they look gorgeous but there are too many towers they block each others views! :(

Any chance to have a chat with you ? Messenger / email ?

Thnks

Brgds

F.

Just became aware of this development, next to "my" Marina Quays: AltinD: you can´t be serious that you want a holiday inn hotel in the marina??. Even Inter Conti is questionnable, primitive high rise hotels with no character, in order to be able to rent out all the stuff, a little bit more creativity is required from the developers, less is more.

Whats the big difference between Marina Quays and Bay Central? The design is more or less the same...

Any chance to have a chat with you ? Messenger / email ?

Thnks

Brgds

F.

Of course, sent me a PM via SSC :)

AltinD: you can´t be serious that you want a holiday inn hotel in the marina??

:lol:

^^ i would loooove a holiday Inn in the marina :rofl:

guys.. c'mon calm down your apartment won't loose its value even if it's going to be managed by smussuw's mother and Dubai Boy is going to be chef.

Morris probably has seen this one before with it being on the wall of his office :) :) :)

We are seriously considering Bay Central.

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Interesting in that render that the residences have only 36 floors not 41 as originally sold with the newer renders.

Interesting in that render that the residences have only 36 floors not 41 as originally sold with the newer renders.

I thought exactly the same, that is why I took a photo of it.

^^ and now they are reduced again.. weird.

the beacon.. oh my.. :rofl:

Interesting in that render that the residences have only 36 floors not 41 as originally sold with the newer renders.

Try counting them again.... I've just counted 41 floors.

i count different numbers on the left and right one.. am i drunk?

Try counting them again.... I've just counted 41 floors.

I told you he has seen it before in the office, he almost knows by heart how many floors. It looked shorter to me comparing to the new one.:lol: :lol:

Maybe everyone has had too much wine with their sunday roast. Try counting again on monday :lol: or maybe it is just a perspective thing.

Hi

Does anyone have any news regarding activity on this site as yet - last heard they were carrying out soil testing.


thks:cheers:

any improvement yet ? :banana:

Who else bought in BC ?

Brgds

F.

I am seriously considering buying in BC but I really need to see some decent progress on The Torch and The Point before DS can win my business. I may even wait for the launch of the East Tower which IMHO may have better marina views from apartments looking down the marina towards the tallest block.

Anjam

I don't reckon that it will be a Holiday Inn or Express. At these apartment sale prices the hotel will have to be upmarket from that, especially given the quality of the four hotels coming up next door in JBR and the exsting nearby beach hotels.

Any chance, I wonder, if the hotel will offer certain hotel services to the residential towers?

^^ LOL, that Holiday Inn or Express story was just me jocking and teasing other forumers.

Any chance, I wonder, if the hotel will offer certain hotel services to the residential towers?

Yes, its been confirmed that the hotel prostitutes will service the 2 adjacent apartment towers if booked in advance and a generous tip given.

26/01/2007

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I dont care what anyone says to make themselves feel good abt their investment... work here has not started...

Has to be one of the best locations in the Marina but definatly no work in progress.
I will be one of the first to buy here once I see it "Under Construction"

i think that if dubai select just sold 70% of the apartments, is time to start the costruction now!! They should give to us the name for the hotel the 11th of November, but no name is know now. i hope the work start as soon as possible, if they wait another months the completation date should be set for 2010. For you, why the're wait? for money? For the Hotel? for the Dubai municipality permission? Why?

They are called Select Property now. I still think they are a decent company, friendly and helpful staff. Just seem to be struggling on gaining momentum.

yes, they are good and friendly company. Very quick and full assistance for contract and everything.

i was speaking for the costruction and for the things that they said but not promise (know the name for the hotel, and i hope that they start with costruction as soon as possible).

I won't be surprised if main construction doess not start until next year. DS have a habit of launching long before a job goes to site.

Site investigation has just been carried out on the plot. These are the stages that have now to be completed before construction can start;

Produce SI report and soil lab tests
Foundation design
Complete building design
Obtain warrant for design approval
Tender foundation installation package
Select foundation contractor and form contract
Mobilise foundation contractor to site
Complete tender for main building works Drawings, Bills of Quantities and specifications
Obtain tender prices from bidding contractors and perform tender analysis
Appoint main contractor and mobilise to site.


There are different forms of contract but this gives you an idea of the processes that need to be carried out before you see construction proper.

I won't be surprised if main construction doess not start until next year. DS have a habit of launching long before a job goes to site.

Site investigation has just been carried out on the plot. These are the stages that have now to be completed before construction can start;

Produce SI report and soil lab tests
Foundation design
Complete building design
Obtain warrant for design approval
Tender foundation installation package
Select foundation contractor and form contract
Mobilise foundation contractor to site
Complete tender for main building works Drawings, Bills of Quantities and specifications
Obtain tender prices from bidding contractors and perform tender analysis
Appoint main contractor and mobilise to site.


There are different forms of contract but this gives you an idea of the processes that need to be carried out before you see construction proper.


Hi True blue


I have read most of your comments on various projects and I am impressed by your technical knowledge on Engineering subjects. I was wondering where you trained. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

^^ not very relevant to this thread, but I was trying to avoid a personal profile. I am a graduate of Strathclyde Uni class of 87, Member of the Institution of Civil Engineers and now sit in a very big chair in a Construction and Civil Engineering business but I'm not prepared to say which one.

All of my hoops friends know how blue I am with the current run of performances.

Enough already, Bay Central is super, now prove me wrong and get it under construction before the end of the year. As the main contractor for Burj Dubai once said "that's a tall order". :lol:

^^ not very relevant to this thread, but I was trying to avoid a personal profile. I am a graduate of Strathclyde Uni class of 87, Member of the Institution of Civil Engineers and now sit in a very big chair in a Construction and Civil Engineering business but I'm not prepared to say which one.

All of my hoops friends know how blue I am with the current run of performances.

Enough already, Bay Central is super, now prove me wrong and get it under construction before the end of the year. As the main contractor for Burj Dubai once said "that's a tall order". :lol:

Hi True Blue

Thanks for the info :cheers:

Hi

Any work/activity on this site - also noticed that DS appear to have started marketing the East Tower.

Hi

Any work/activity on this site - also noticed that DS appear to have started marketing the East Tower.

How have you noticed this ?? The BC website is still referring to the West tower.

hi

I think you are right the promo talks about both towers but Bay West is the only one being promoted at present.

Hi Guys,

Just about to reserve a Studio in Bay Central and thought id join the forum.

Went to have a look at the plot and must say its a very good location. With the lastest info from DS, i have been informed that the hotel name will be released in 10days from today...

I had a chat with their Sales staff when i was at the plot in dubai and i was told the current 3 hotel chain choices are: Hyatt Regency:banana: , Jumeriah Hotels and Marriot (Not 100% of the last 2, coz i was not listening properly coz of all the distractions)

But i still dont believe the name will be released soon :nuts: , coz it seems like they have to sell a certain amont of aptmnts to proceed.

The soil testing was currently in place so hopefully construction will begin soon.

Hi Suj-D & welcome to the forum........could be that the East Tower is being launched in 10 days then......together with the hotel launch..... as I've heard West Tower is nearly sold out now.

Hi Suj-D & welcome to the forum........could be that the East Tower is being launched in 10 days then......together with the hotel launch..... as I've heard West Tower is nearly sold out now.

Not sure what they are planning with the East tower, but when i tried to get more information on what the plan is they were quite reluctant and tried to avoid the subject.

But from my conversation with DS yesterday quite a few of the lower floor studios were still available.

Not sure what they are planning with the East tower, but when i tried to get more information on what the plan is they were quite reluctant and tried to avoid the subject.

But from my conversation with DS yesterday quite a few of the lower floor studios were still available.


Are you looking to reserve a Marina facing studio or the ones at the back the Sea View ?? I had heard all the Marina views were sold.

Some plant and material arrives on site at Bay Central. Not working on this site and I think it may be from site next door as there is no room to move on that site.

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Nice to see more new neighbours around.... :cheers1:

Any updates of the construction site ?

Brgds

F.

^^ There is one above your post it was only 2 days ago so that the update......nothing happening

Are you looking to reserve a Marina facing studio or the ones at the back the Sea View ?? I had heard all the Marina views were sold.

Just been in conversations with DS...they still got a few Marina Views and Sea Views....thinking of reserving one of each so!

I hear the Hotel is 100% known to DS......anyone got any confirmed news??

23.02.2007

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Stephan bist du deutsch ?

Slds

F.

No it's the Marina.

I have heard what the hotel is to be, but, sorry, I have been sworn to secrecy until after the press anouncement. I don't anyone to be disappointed, though!

I have heard what the hotel is to be, but, sorry, I have been sworn to secrecy until after the press anouncement. I don't anyone to be disappointed, though!

Ive been hearing the sworn to secrecy stuff for a month now so its a bit irritating now.

Done the purchase now so now doesnt matter which hotel it is!

Official date from DS is 8th March for the release of info on the East Tower and the Hotel.

Official date from DS is 8th March for the release of info on the East Tower and the Hotel.

Just as I thought...... another date ......your post on 17th February said " I have been informed that the hotel name will be released in 10 days from today " .......So by my calculations that'll be.....errr.......TODAY. (The first "official date" was 11th November last year).
Yes this is all getting a bit irritating now. BTW did DS tell you March 2007 or 2008 ??? :lol:

Just as I thought...... another date ......your post on 17th February said " I have been informed that the hotel name will be released in 10 days from today " .......So by my calculations that'll be.....errr.......TODAY. (The first "official date" was 11th November last year).
Yes this is all getting a bit irritating now. BTW did DS tell you March 2007 or 2008 ??? :lol:

Good point Morrismarina....time to take it up with DS.....(i bet ill be told its out in 10 more days!)

And i hope it was not March 08!

My feeling is that they will not announce the next tower and hotel until they have sold enough in the 1st tower. So they may well say 10 more days if there are still a few left to sell in the west tower.

My feeling is that they will not announce the next tower and hotel until they have sold enough in the 1st tower. So they may well say 10 more days if there are still a few left to sell in the west tower.

Well the whole of last week, and i guess this week....they have been offering me 3 studios that i like per floor for more than 4 floors!

says a lot of me, that the release date can be for March 08!

suggest that the mentioned available studios and flats are in the lower floors.

Correct ?

In regard to the hotel dont think that there is a major hurry to know the name of the hotel group however its true if they give deadlines they should comply with it.

That is also in regard to the construction finish date.

Greetings from Spain ! :cheers2:

F.

Morris did you get my last email some months ago ? lol

suggest that the mentioned available studios and flats are in the lower floors.

Correct ?

In regard to the hotel dont think that there is a major hurry to know the name of the hotel group however its true if they give deadlines they should comply with it.



Is not about the hurry with the Hotel name, its the fact that when a customer is promised for November delivery is should have happened then. When i asked DS regarding this....obviously it was ingored, but got written confirmation of the release on the 8th Feb 07! (I still dont believe it)

Although the release is not to the public, only to customers with purchases (which is fair enough)

Although the release is not to the public, only to customers with purchases (which is fair enough)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:ohno: I find it funny i wrote that too :bash: ....obviously they got a hidden agenda....but as long as i get the news first :banana: :lol: :lol: ...

No point discussing hotel here if us non purchasers are never going to know

No point discussing hotel here if us non purchasers are never going to know


Don't worry this isn't going to happen as none of this makes sense.
Why would DS want to tell purchasers but not the public ??? Purchasers have already paid their first instalment so they're committed now, so what's to be gained from telling them ???
In any event if they do (for some crazy reason) disclose to purchasers only, it's going to stay confidential for all of 5 minutes....somebody's bound to leak the info out. DS aren't daft they know this. :nuts:

No point discussing hotel here if us non purchasers are never going to know

Theres always someone who cant keep their mouth shut im sure!!....well DS is playing a game here....i asked another agent from DS and this time i got a 'we have no idea when the release of names is to take place'!!!

'we have no idea when the release of names is to take place'!!!

Sounds more like the truth.
I'm sure what is happening here (and this has been mentioned before a few times on this thread) is that they are trying to sell most of the West Tower then will release the hotel name along with launch of the East Tower. The hotel name will provide continued interest and keep the momentum going. Official launch of West Tower was 11th November so they've had nearly four months now to sell it.
Of course they won't sell West Tower 100% as some units are "inward facing" and have poor views. These will take much longer to shift. Recent potential customers are likely to wait now to purchase in the East Tower rather than be tempted to buy a poorly situated West Tower unit.
The problem is if East Tower is not launched soon the construction start date is going to be put a back lot further and could mean the completion date of Dec'2009 is more unlikely than it is already.
Hence purchasers like myself are not particularly concerned over the hotel name (it's all detailed in the contract and the name is academic really) but rather the more important issue, the launch of the East Tower.
That's the way I see it anyway......in the meantime DS sales staff by all accounts seem to be making it up as they go along & giving out all sorts of dates depending on who you talk to.
(The good news is that DS's other projects the Torch & Point are well underway now, unlike some other developers which I won't mention.)

DS could launch the next tower now at the higher price and keep the old tower at the original prices to shift the remaining 'not so good units' easily. Investors looking for rental return would prefer a cheaper unit to one with a good view.

Just a word of advice to investors about this project. Seems great, excellent location, good looking building and being sold by Select Property (formly Dubai Select). I don't see construction starting on this project until at least 2008. It was about this time last year I purchased a studio in The Point from Dubai Select. Its only now a year on that any work has really started. I think its a sound investment, but don't get sucked into thinking this property will start soon. Also beware that the design will change yet. The render that is published for selling never represents the render of the actual build. Not until all plans are finalised will you then see the proper render of the building.

Been told all purchasers will receive written confirmation of the Hotel and East tower in a day or 2?!

They say...this is because they want to give first priority to their customers before the general public knows!!

Interesting..

I don't know what the big deal about knowing the name of the hotel is anyway. They've already assured ppl its an international 5 star hotel, so does it matter? Anyway, in case it does matter, I can assure you the hotel they've signed up is major coup for not just DS but the entire Marina. It's not a name associated with your average 5* run-of-the-mill fair. It's a real quality brand alright.

I don't know what the big deal about knowing the name of the hotel is anyway. They've already assured ppl its an international 5 star hotel, so does it matter? Anyway, in case it does matter, I can assure you the hotel they've signed up is major coup for not just DS but the entire Marina. It's not a name associated with your average 5* run-of-the-mill fair. It's a real quality brand alright.

Chill out dude! Im just updating on what DS are telling me...and its not really about the hotel name im worried anymore...its more about if DS are going to give me the information on time.....its not NOV 06 anymore!

And also what happens to Bay East does effect the investors!

^^ I wasn't referring to you in particular, er dude. I was talkin about the general euphoria re: the hotel name. Thats all.

its not about the hotel name as there is plenty of time to publish it, but its the delay in construction start which should worry investors and therefore myself.

I am not very interested in loosing (another) year without compensation...

F.

There are delays in all projects. Its the length of the delay that should be of concern, and the validity of the reasons behind it.

^^ When it comes to Dubai, there are no valid reasons for delays ...

:drunk:

Well...they have not released enough information or withholding information on the full development....for whatever the reason :nuts: ....and hence not securing enough funds/sales in time to being the construction...it leads to a delay in beginning of construction for sure!

Official date from DS is 8th March for the release of info on the East Tower and the Hotel.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:bash: :cheers:

8th March and still waiting....i got a CD and some documents with more info on the bay central and it says that development information will be released in March but no specific day on it??!!

Obviously i have stopped relying on DS now coz its not goin to be march from the looks of it.

My understanding is that piling work should be starting in the next week or two and also that an announcement re the hotel can be expected in the very near future (maybe even this week).

My understanding is that piling work should be starting in the next week or two and also that an announcement re the hotel can be expected in the very near future (maybe even this week).

Wow,................... not again! I suppose some day someone has got to be right!

Wow,................... not again! I suppose some day someone has got to be right!

Confirmed!...the Hotel name is out this weekend in the press i hear. Well i think i know what it is....and it starts with R!!

Ritz-Carlton ?

^^ No R for Rumour. :lol:

^^ No R for Rumour. :lol:

Well if its a Rumour then :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

^^ No R for Rumour. :lol:



:hilarious

The 2nd letter is E

Office tower to go behind BC

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Hi

Looks interesting is this project listed on Skyscraper site?

thks

Eudora

Regent

^^ eudora, that is the 12 floor Al fattan office tower

^^ And we don't have yet a thread for it.

Congratulations to 3 of you (I think it is) who bought an apt in this tower.
Looking forward to the house warming parties :)

When is the realistic completion date?

Congratulations to 3 of you (I think it is) who bought an apt in this tower.
Looking forward to the house warming parties :)

When is the realistic completion date?

21st January 2010.

Regent


I think you're right Altin. Just been on the Regent Hotels website (www.regenthotels.com) look a very top end hotel chain and the list of their worldwide hotels shows this:

The Middle East
The Regent Dubai, United Arab Emirates (2010)

Ties in with BC completion date.

^^ No it is not Regency, should be announced in the press this weekend.

I thought Dubai Select made the formal announcement today that its RE*******E Hotel.

is it St. Regis

I thought Dubai Select made the formal announcement today that its RE*******E Hotel.

Yes but not in the press. So not sure if it is a good idea to announce it here yet :D but it is fairly obvious now :lol:

Yes but not in the press. So not sure if it is a good idea to announce it here yet :D but it is fairly obvious now :lol:

I thought it was going to be Marriott, has this changed now?

Interesting article here: http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/03/08/10109540.html

Marriott, the US hotel chain, manages JW Marriott Hotel, the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Renaissance Dubai Hotel, The Courtyard and Marriott Executive Apartments in Dubai.

Would it just be ironic if I stole someones thunder?

I think you're right Altin. Just been on the Regent Hotels website (www.regenthotels.com) look a very top end hotel chain and the list of their worldwide hotels shows this:

The Middle East
The Regent Dubai, United Arab Emirates (2010)

Ties in with BC completion date.


That is the 460 meter tall, lotus like building in the Canal Point project.

I thought Dubai Select made the formal announcement today that its RE*******E Hotel.

It's funny how they claimed to be a very high profile hotel for the entire Marina (and Dubai) and people were thinking on the line of Ritz Carlton, 4 Seasons or Hyatt ... and what you really get is just a Reneissance by Marriot.

Welcome to Dubai :lol:

After JW Marriott and Ritz Carlton, the Rennaisance is the most luxurious and exclusive brand in the group world-wide and is described as the Marriott's "boutique" offering. So its not actually that bad.

So is that it the cats out of th bag or are people just creating more rummours

Yes it is official now

Hi, I was told by DS that's it's the Renaissance this morning. They said they are 64% sold on what is currently released and that prices are going to rise on Tuesday. Possibly by 10%.

^^ Out of interest, why did you choose Bay Central rather than the Torch which will complete earlier ?

^^ Becasue he knows whats in front of Bay Central

any developer that gives a date on which they will "raise their prices" is taking you for a ride

^^ Out of interest, why did you choose Bay Central rather than the Torch which will complete earlier ?

I think they will both finish around the same time. Torch has a head start but its a much harder and higher build.

But there are 122 floors in total in BC and we have to wait over 1 year before the 3 holes are ready to start on the floors, by that time the Torch will be almost topped out

After JW Marriott and Ritz Carlton, the Rennaisance is the most luxurious and exclusive brand in the group world-wide and is described as the Marriott's "boutique" offering. So its not actually that bad.


So "after" Marriott & Rirtz Carlton comes Renaissance in third place.

I must say I'm dissappointed after all the hype........I was expecting something in pole position.

Select Group signs with Marriott International to manage Renaissance Dubai Marina Hotel

The Dubai-based Select GroupTM, one of the leading players in Dubai's realty sector today announced that Marriott International (NYSE:MAR) will manage its new Renaissance-branded hotel at Dubai Marina.

Scheduled to open in 2010, the Renaissance Dubai Marina Hotel will boast 300 rooms and be part of a 1 million square foot, mixed use development known as Bay Central - an AED 1 billion project, that also includes two residential towers and about 3,000-square meters of retail space.

Commenting on the hotel development at Dubai Marina, Mr. Rahail Aslam, Chairman, Select GroupTM said: 'Select Group has aligned its goals of strategic business growth in line with the vision of His Highness Sheikh Mohammed for Dubai. The city's recurrent position as one of the top three cities of the world for highest revenue per available room (revPAR) and the government's plans to drive up tourist numbers from six million in 2006 to 15 million by 2010 were some of the compelling factors which contributed towards the inclusion of a five star hotel in the Bay Central project.

'In line with the group's strategy of offering its stakeholders the most selective solutions with maximum return on investment and owing to Marriott International's excellence and experience in hotel management, they were our preferred choice for this venture.'

The Renaissance Dubai Marina Hotel will feature an all-day casual restaurant, two specialty restaurants, lobby lounge and bar as well as a high energy entertainment bar with outdoor seating. For recreation, the hotel will offer an internationally branded, 14,000-square foot spa; a health club with sauna and steam rooms; and an outdoor swimming pool. With 16,800 square feet dedicated to flexible meeting space, some of the other amenities will include an executive lounge, a business center, 24-hour room service, in-room mini-bar, and high-speed internet access.

'We are delighted by this hotel,' said Mr. Ed Fuller, President and Managing Director for international lodging at Marriott International. 'As currently designed, the Renaissance Dubai Marina Hotel will be a perfect addition to our Renaissance brand portfolio that is gaining widespread recognition for the sophisticated, stylish, urbane and enjoyment-focused hotel experience it offers. We are confident the hotel will fit in very well with the lifestyle offered by the Dubai Marina development.'

'Having an internationally acclaimed five star luxury hotel within the Bay Central Development has further increased the resale and rental appeal of the residential towers. The occupants of Bay Central residential towers will have access to a number of the hotel's services, including A la Carte Services, as well as a number of fully licensed bars and restaurants on their doorstep, making it a truly unique offering,' added Mr. Aslam.

Select GroupTM has established its reputation as a leading developer in Dubai for high build quality and attention to detail. The total assets under development by the group exceed AED 2 billion mark and include the 'Torch' and 'Point'' towers, currently under construction in Dubai Marina.

Dubai Select LTD UK, is the sales arm of the group with exclusive world wide rights for sale of all of its developments. In addition, the group also owns the majority shares in Select Glass Industries - an architectural glass product factory and extensive real estate investments in Eastern Europe and Asia.

But there are 122 floors in total in BC and we have to wait over 1 year before the 3 holes are ready to start on the floors, by that time the Torch will be almost topped out

They won't build the towers in sequence they will be done at the same time. Do you think they will share the same table forms between all three towers? I don't think so.

Look back at marina promenade thread and you will see all the towers rising together a floor a weekish. The torch will never go at 2 floors a week, that is just not going to happen. If I am not right I won't be far wrong. :nuts:

Marriott International has been chosen by Dubai-based Select Group to manage its Renaissance Dubai Marina Hotel. The 300-room hotel is scheduled to open in 2010. The hotel will form part of a 1m sqft mixed-use development known as Bay Central at Dubai Marina. It will have three restaurants, a 14,000-sqft spa, health club and outdoor swimming pool.

I am sure the torch will complete before 2010

Thanks for the article Steve........just been speaking to DS they confirmed that purchasers will receive full "a la carte" service from the hotel including full maid service if required ie. cleaning, changing sheets ALSO food, drinks & snacks room service etc.etc. Great for anybody looking to rent to the holiday market.
I was initally disappointed but this does appear to be a very good quality brand, it's 5 star and lots of facilites on offer. :)

So in effect there is no difference between an apartment in the residential tower to one in the hotel tower apart from not being able to use the hotel's pool ?

Hi

Personally, I am pleased that the hotel will be a Renaissance (Marriott). My concern was that the hotel would be a start up boutique brand with poor cash flow and no experience of this sector. Like many start ups full occupancy for the first few months and then low occupany and bad reputation follows, through bad service and inexperience.

I am encouraged that there is already a Renaissance in Dubai and the ratings on Trip Adviser are very good - posted by past guests. Also I have stayed at many Marriott branded hotels and the standard of service has been consistently good. So well done to Dubai select!

:)

Hi, I was told by DS that's it's the Renaissance this morning. They said they are 64% sold on what is currently released and that prices are going to rise on Tuesday. Possibly by 10%.

Will the price increase apply to the next launched tower only or to remaining units on the west tower also ?

Mmmmmmmmm...........

Dubai Select seem to be turning into a bit of a Chameleon. Uk based, just for sales and now Dubai based for development. They now have expanded their wings into other domains like glass manufacturing and real estate investing in East Europe (absolutely crime and fraud free region).

"The occupants of Bay Central residential towers will have access to a number of the hotel's services, including A la Carte Services, as well as a number of fully licensed bars and restaurants on their doorstep, making it a truly unique offering,' How so? Everyone presumeably has access to these facilities, so what is unique to Bay Central?

"Select GroupTM has established its reputation as a leading developer in Dubai for high build quality and attention to detail."

Have not built anything yet, so this is nothing short of a lie!! I don't trust people who lie so openly, they probably do it so often they don't know the difference any more.

Note that the hotel is only managed by Renaissance and not leased or owned by them.

Starting to get a gut feeling about this "mob" again.

^^ agreed with points raised. Technically DS has the same if not less credibility than Damac (Damac having completed and handed over two projects).

Also one point to keep in mind is that the hotel management (renaissance) can change when their contract expires.

Interesting points made True Blue.
So who would actually own the building i.e the freehold of the hotel then ??
Good point made about the swimming pools Steve, I did initially understand each tower would have own separate pool facilities but can't see how they would know you weren't a hotel guest if you used the hotel pool anyway. May be they will have Pool Police :lol:
Also told me piling due to start in next couple of weeks.

^^ agreed with points raised. Technically DS has the same if not less credibility than Damac (Damac having completed and handed over two projects).

Well look at it this way, at least DS have started construction on 66% of their projects, whereas figures for Damac would be about 5%
Yes Select Property have ventured out into other areas and have off-plan property developments in Spain, Turkey & Bulgaria, these have been advertised in The Daily Mail (UK) for many months now. Also I believe the owner Mark Stott owned a chain of luxury car showrooms in the UK before venturing into Dubai. (Nothing wrong with diversity of course, not wise to keep all your eggs in one basket).
Whilst some may have doubts about this "mob" Emaar aren't daft and they must be sufficiently confident in DS by allowing them to develop what must be the prime plot in the Marina. And don't forget they're the first developer to offer an escrow account, now you can't say that of Damac none of their recent launches have this.

I am sad that the construction work will continue in the Marina centre and just opposite my apt till 2010! :bash: What a shame. :ohno:

I am sad that the construction work will continue in the Marina centre and just opposite my apt till 2010! :bash: What a shame. :ohno:
Were you expecting these central plots to be left empty then ?? :ohno:

Were you expecting these central plots to be left empty then ?? :ohno:

Yes:lol: A nice park, or a low rise building....
I think it is getting too much now. Too many high rise - too close to each other. Much too close to each other.
The Marina should remain pretty. Just my opinion, shoot me...:poke:

So "after" Marriott & Rirtz Carlton comes Renaissance in third place.

I must say I'm dissappointed after all the hype........I was expecting something in pole position.

No, Rennaisance is in a higher class than the standard Marriotts. I said "JW" Marriott.

New member so be gentle with me.

I had an interesting discussion with DS a couple of days ago as I am considering buying in next tower released, a couple of points that might be of interest:

1. West Tower prices to rise 4% shortly
2. Next Tower prices will be 10% higher
3. Renaissance have taken the Eat tower, so the residential tower to be released shortly will be the taller central tower

Gulfnews

Marriott to manage Renaissance hotel
Staff Report


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A computer-generated image shows how Bay Central will look when completed.



Dubai: The Dubai-based Select Group, one of the leading players in Dubai's realty sector, assigned Marriott International to manage its new Renaissance-branded hotel at Dubai Marina, a company statement said.

Scheduled to open in 2010, the Renaissance Dubai Marina Hotel will host 300 guest rooms and be part of a one-million-square-foot, mixed-use development known as Bay Central - a Dh1 billion project that also includes two residential towers and about 3,000-square metres of retail space.

The Renaissance Dubai Marina Hotel will feature an all-day casual restaurant, two speciality restaurants, a lobby lounge and bar as well as a high energy entertainment bar with outdoor seating.

For recreation, the hotel will offer an internationally branded, 14,000-square-foot spa, a health club with sauna and steam rooms, and an outdoor swimming pool.

Flexible meeting space

With 16,800 square feet dedicated to flexible meeting space, some of the other amenities will include an executive lounge, a business centre, 24-hour room service, in-room mini-bar and high-speed internet access.

"The city's recurrent position as one of the top three cities of the world for highest revenue per available room (revPAR) and the government's plans to drive up tourist numbers from six million in 2006 to 15 million by 2010 were some of the compelling factors which contributed towards the inclusion of a five star hotel in the Bay Central project," Rahail Aslam, chairman of Select Group, said in a statement.

"In line with the group's strategy of offering its stakeholders the most selective solutions with maximum return on investment and owing to Marriott International's excellence and experience in hotel management, they were our preferred choice for this venture."

Select Group has established its reputation as a leading developer in Dubai for high build quality and attention to detail. The total assets under development by the group exceed Dh2 billion mark and include the "Torch" and "Point'" towers, currently under construction in Dubai Marina.

Ed Fuller, president and managing director for international lodging at Marriott International, said, "As currently designed, the Renaissance Dubai Marina Hotel will be a perfect addition to our Renaissance brand portfolio that is gaining widespread recognition for the sophisticated, stylish, urbane and enjoyment-focused hotel experience it offers. We are confident the hotel will fit in very well with the lifestyle offered by the Dubai Marina development."

^^ Out of interest, why did you choose Bay Central rather than the Torch which will complete earlier ?

I like the 15 year payment plan option and the ESCROW guarantee. Also I think it will be a better holiday let prospect with the hotel in the same complex. I've got 2 apartments in other blocks on the Marina and this just gives me something a bit different. But I'm still thinking about it.

PS500 - did you say DS advised that the hotel were taking the East tower and not the middle one?????? That makes no sense at all.

I have just spoken to DS. They have confirmed the hotel have taken the east tower and the middle tower will now be residential. Having reserved in the west tower I now feel like the poor relation!!!! DS do however tell me the cental tower will be a wholly different layout and more expensive.

The hotel want an entire building to themselves so went for the East tower. I guess a redesign of the podium will be needed. Floorplans for the central tower will be interesting. I think there will be 2 beds at the front this time.

I think the orginal idea was better having the hotel in the middle tower, although it probaly makes little diffrence to the look of the overall design

Telling since the beginning that the middle tower will be the hotel and now changing to the east tower gives indeed buyers in the west tower mixed feelings I would suggest.

DS should give existing buyers the opportunity to change from the west to the middle tower once released.

F.

Since the west tower is cheaper it will give you a better rental return on investment. I don't think rents for the central tower will be any higher.

Since the west tower is cheaper it will give you a better rental return on investment. I don't think rents for the central tower will be any higher.


I agree unlikely long term or even short term (holiday) lets will be any higher. Central Tower does have better views though. DS told me yesterday prices in CT will be almost 20% higher than WT, so if true probably does not make sense to pay so much extra for a bit more angle on the view. They also confirmed as CT larger, there will be 3 one bed marina views units across the front of CT rather the two across the front as with WT. (Not sure of the other units but I'd guess they'd be 2 & 3 bed marina views also).
If hotel takes all of ET then I wonder if the serviced apartments in CT will remain ?? Only guessing but could be the serviced apartments have been scrapped now otherwise why did the hotel want ET when original plan was for CT where they would have effectively had all the tower anyway with the serviced units.

There will not be any serviced apartments in the CT.

WT will become the investors tower. (Best ROI)

CT will become the tower best for permanent living. (+Potentialy better capital gains)

ET will be the hotel.

As you know I'm very supportive of DS but I have to be honest there has been some weird stuff going on here.......
First they renege on their promise to tell us who the hotel chain is on the promised date of 11th November and come out with a serious of false dates for four months.
Then after the tower is launched, brochures produced etc. we find that final design approval hadn't actually been received and they have to take 5 storeys off each tower.....so all the advertising is wrong and folks who reserved the higher floors had their reservations cancelled as they couldn't buy them after all.
Then they tell us on the website, in the brochures and contract that the Central Tower is to be a 5* hotel with serviced apartments. Then we find the hotel is not actually going to be the Central Tower and also the serviced apartments are cancelled.
Does any of this really matter ??? I don't know.......perhaps it's the way off-plan developments work.......but it's certainly weird stuff ................... or (as I suspect) very clever sales tactics !!! :nuts:

The hotel want an entire building to themselves so went for the East tower. I guess a redesign of the podium will be needed. Floorplans for the central tower will be interesting. I think there will be 2 beds at the front this time.

First 30 floors are all one beds, but only 10 on each floor, floors 32 to 44 are same as West Tower the marina facing all being 3 beds.

I believe release of CT is mid - April. With prices much higher than the 10% increase I was told earlier

First 30 floors are all one beds, but only 10 on each floor, floors 32 to 44 are same as West Tower the marina facing all being 3 beds.

I believe release of CT is mid - April. With prices much higher than the 10% increase I was told earlier

Wow......so there's going to be 300 one beds :nuts:

As you know I'm very supportive of DS but I have to be honest there has been some weird stuff going on here.......
First they renege on their promise to tell us who the hotel chain is on the promised date of 11th November and come out with a serious of false dates for four months.:nuts:


I totally agree. They got a million different stories ready when needed... just to boost their sales.

If i had waited for an extra month, the way it is going i bet i would not have reserved anything. But oh well now it to look forward to what happens!

The price increase is a guaranteed stunt....i was told last week it was meant to happen last week, then this week now next tuesday! I was asked if anyone wants to buy before the increase to let them know!!! Its all about sales!

The whole point of making bay central look amazing was to have a hotel in the middle and 2 towers to compliment it. The hotel on the east now look like a shitty left of building and does not compliment the other 2 towers from my view!

Oh well at least its a Renaissance (if they last for long!! :lol: )...stayed in the London one a few times and its superub.

i also stayed several times @ the renaissance in sao paulo. very modern and stylish hotel.

the problem with DS is that they are so marketing orientated that they do not focus enough on the product and their sales agents are always over excited.

anyhow, all of you will still get a good return, whether the hotel is in the middle or on the side; the package of services is also not bad at all.

i am curious to see if the floor plan of the new tower will differ much from the previous in terms of spec. and outside space, etc.

The whole point of making bay central look amazing was to have a hotel in the middle and 2 towers to compliment it.

Exactly.....I agree totally.

BTW we are told prices in WT willl go up by 4% but DS told me last November that this would be 7.5%.
I guess it's hasn't gone up in value by as much as expected then (or perhaps the hotel being stuck on the side has affected the value).

I like the location of these towers very much and I would have liked to buy a family apartment to live in and not rent, but as much as I like it, I do not have the same confidence in these people as many of you do. It would appear that with time passing people are prepared to accept excuses, lies and not before much time they will accept bad quality just to get hold of their units. As for some of the contracts, I don't believe that people (including myself) are signing up to these contracts. Regarding the naming of the Hotel, Many people knew back in October/November that they were trying to sign the Marriott (Family) up, I think they had to do a lot of work to persuade them to come on board. I believe there were a couple of other sites in the Marina where they were looking at!

At least the funds are secured...

Exactly.....I agree totally.

BTW we are told prices in WT willl go up by 4% but DS told me last November that this would be 7.5%.
I guess it's hasn't gone up in value by as much as expected then (or perhaps the hotel being stuck on the side has affected the value).

Funny enough i was told a good 10%....it aint happening yet, and at the rate DS are going....they are trying to build up their sales, but loosing inverstor confidence for the long run.

You can tell which is more important to them! So now its all about timing on the construction and the efficiency.. which can dictate the pricing...what do you think?

At least the funds are secured...


Who is the third (controlling) party in the Escrow? I assume the investors know the answer.

It is normal that the selling part says the price will raise soon by so many percent. But in most cases it does not happen until the building is almost completed.
The same thing happened to me.

Who is the third (controlling) party in the Escrow? I assume the investors know the answer.

It's Barclays Bank & Emaar jointly..... there are no issues with the escrow set up, it's fine.

I like the location of these towers very much and I would have liked to buy a family apartment to live in and not rent, but as much as I like it, I do not have the same confidence in these people as many of you do. It would appear that with time passing people are prepared to accept excuses, lies and not before much time they will accept bad quality just to get hold of their units. As for some of the contracts, I don't believe that people (including myself) are signing up to these contracts. Regarding the naming of the Hotel, Many people knew back in October/November that they were trying to sign the Marriott (Family) up, I think they had to do a lot of work to persuade them to come on board. I believe there were a couple of other sites in the Marina where they were looking at!

I don't really see any correlation between DS sales approach and the future finished quality of their developments. Of course nothing has been built yet so we do not have any history in this regard but can't see any reason why quality will be poor.
To be fair it's not all bad news......DS do shine in other areas being an excellent members area within their website, very good updates on construction progress, excellent customer service (can always get through to them within a few rings on the phone), helpful staff & an efficient contracts department. I can't see that any other develop comes close in these areas IMO.
Also don't forget the 15 year non status payment plan, I would not have been able to buy into BC without this.
Would be nice to see BC piling commence in the next few weeks which should give the BC sales a big boost.

Also don't forget the 15 year non status payment plan, I would not have been able to buy into BC without this.
Would be nice to see BC piling commence in the next few weeks which should give the BC sales a big boost.

Same thought here....DS have so far been good in connection with my purchase. But just the way they push things around (e.g the hotel/east tower release) just brings in the uncertainty,

If they push to get the piling started...its guranteed to draw attention, rather than just push dates forward to gather to people to buy!.....and also i wana move in on time as well!!:banana:

can we go easy on the investment :blahblah: please?

DS told me yesterday prices in CT will be almost 20% higher than WT, so if true probably does not make sense to pay so much extra for a bit more angle on the view. They also confirmed as CT larger, there will be 3 one bed marina views units across the front of CT rather the two across the front as with WT. (Not sure of the other units but I'd guess they'd be 2 & 3 bed marina views also).

Morris, I have a set of floor plans and prices for CT. Unfortunately my scanner is broken so cannot post until Monday. However I think DS will e-mail them to an existing customer;)

ps 500 - what are the prices like - studios and 1 bed in CT facing the marina ?

Thnks

F.

ps 500 - what are the prices like - studios and 1 bed in CT facing the marina ?

Thnks

F.

Expensive, I think.

There are no studios, there are now three 1 beds facing Marina:
Type A in centre is 781.5sqft + 153.7sqft balcony
Type B on East/West side are 750.5 sqft + 77.3sqft balcony

Prices range from floors 3 - 30
Type A 1,230k AED - 1,295k AED
Type B 1,127k AED - 1,183k AED

I wonder how much of an impact the reworking of the hotel/apartments will have on the design. I wonder if all the drawings will have to be redone for central and East towers. Is 2010 realistic? We will see!

If main construction gets underway by end of this year it has a chance.

wow I think my posts must be invisible to people like ps500 and Caesar7.

Once again, STOP THE INVESTMENT CHAT!

I think Krazy, they're not [change voice to Cartman, South Park] wespecting ya authoritaee

I've been questioning DS on the completion date before I take the plunge and buy. This is the justification I got on why it won't be late. Does this sound reasonable to anyone else or is this building going to need another year like everything else I've invested in?

"We have put a number of measures into place to ensure that the delays represented in other developments in Dubai are not replicated in the Bay Central Development. These measures included a fixed price construction contract with Dubai Civil Engineering (DCE), ensuring that we know the exact costs of all our raw materials through the build process. Fluctuating costs for raw materials is the main reason why properties fall behind on the construction process, by knowing all of our costs from the outset we can plan all the way through the build process, avoiding any surprises."

Does this sound reasonable to anyone else or is this building going to need another year like everything else I've invested in?

"We have put a number of measures into place to ensure that the delays represented in other developments in Dubai are not replicated in the Bay Central Development. These measures included a fixed price construction contract with Dubai Civil Engineering (DCE), ensuring that we know the exact costs of all our raw materials through the build process. Fluctuating costs for raw materials is the main reason why properties fall behind on the construction process, by knowing all of our costs from the outset we can plan all the way through the build process, avoiding any surprises."

They have the same type of contract with DCE on the Torch I was told, which in my opinion going to be 18Months late if not more. What a reason, I wish they stop this sales rubbish!

The cost maybe fixed but that would not stop delays in getting raw materials, or if they encounter some other minor issues etc

Personally I would not expect key handover until 2011. The hotel is scheduled to open in 2010 but they do not say when exactly and this is assuming no problems along the way.

I have scanned the CT layouts, I have them as pdf files. Can anybody tell me how to post them ?

^^ Convert it in .jpeg format, resize to less then 250Kb in size and upload in www.tinypic.com from where you can copy/paste in here the image tag generated.

Thanks Altind.

Floor plans for CT below. I have not posted prices to avoid further complaints from Krazy.

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Latest photo of plot courtesy of DS website. Boarding has gone up now near the water's edge so we may see some action soon.

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PS500 you'll be okay to post the prices, this has been done on many threads in the past, without complaint by "the boss" - I'm sure Krazy won't have a problem with this.

PS500 you'll be okay to post the prices, this has been done on many threads in the past, without complaint by "the boss" - I'm sure Krazy won't have a problem with this.

Morris, Krazy made his views pretty clear in #424, I don't want to be barred in my first week !

^^ Prices can be posted here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438574

Looks like Type 7 of the 1 beds will have the best view. Don't like the layout of the bath though and a little bit small. 3 beds are nice.

Not the most spacious apartments.

Notice how developers have a little trick up their sleeve. When they do the layouts, they shrink some of the furniture to make the apartments look roomier. Some of those dining tables are no bigger than the kitchen sink.

This is not unique to DS, they are all at it!

Well there's loads of threads where prices have been posted. It would be nice to have them here purely as a reference as they'll undoubtedly get lost in the Investment thread. Krazy's a great guy and does a fantastic job as moderator, this forum only works because of Krazy & all the relentless hard work he puts in & we all love him to bits :kiss:
(well that's enough creeping)
How about it Krazy, kind sir ???
:nuts:

One other observation from the layouts. Some designers are guilty of not using common sense. I have actually been in a guest toilet (powder room or whatever) and have had to squeeze into a corner to open and close the door. If the room is that small hang the door to open out to the hall! Look at the layouts and you will see my point.

I wonder whether the sizes are net or gross ??

^^ Prices can be posted here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438574

I have posted prices in the investment thread

Prices in CT are up only about 5% per sq foot over WT. Look more than this initially but remember the apartments sizes are bigger. Given that the hotel will add some value then I don't reckon this is too bad.
The re-design of the development with the hotel taking the East Tower could work very well for investors looking for short-term (holiday) lets. There are now no serviced apartments to compete with and DS have done a good job in getting the deal with the hotel for them to service the WT & CT apartments which includes full room cleaning, changing sheets, drinks and meals service, etc. exactly the same service as a hotel room. This is unique I don't think there's anything like this is Dubai, other than a formal fully serviced apartment which is of course much more expensive to purchase and is essentially just a hotel room. I see some unique opportunities here.
This will also be a big help in letting on say a corporate let on a "month by month basis" . Much better & cheaper for a company to put an employee in a nice privately rented apartment with all hotel services than a stuffy little hotel room.
Also perhaps there is a possibility if hotel gets short of rooms to do a deal with them on a serviced apartment basis for some weeks.
And those prices compared with other hotel formal serviced apartments are cheap. I think in hindsight the changes to the CT could actually be a big benefit for investors here. :)

There are now no serviced apartments to compete with and DS have done a good job in getting the deal with the hotel for them to service the WT & CT apartments which includes full room cleaning, changing sheets, drinks and meals service, etc. exactly the same service as a hotel room. . :)

This does sound good but it depends on the hotel being adequately staffed to deal with the other towers.

Also, I imagine that the hotel is given priority during busy periods so it could be a long wait for room service during peak times.

I believe the Torch and many other towers also have an in house cleaning/maid service available. You can always order take out instead of room service.

Thanks for the "support" Morris :D

Prices are OK obviously.. what's not is excess of investment chatter as seen on the last two pages - that kinda discussion can be moved to the investment thread.

if you are discussing real estate matters obviously prices are the basis for any investors choice - No capital = no buildings = no threads :wink2:

CT prices courtesy of PS500. BTW DS are giving a 2% discount off these prices until CT is officially launched on 13th April.

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if you are discussing real estate matters obviously prices are the basis for any investors choice - No capital = no buildings = no threads :wink2:

This forum and its threads have survived for over 4 years without investors like you :)

:) all the best with your adwords... maybe one day it will pay you a garage :)

is it a 4 x 4 garage?

I have an 18 wheeler, my garage is bigger then yours.

My c** is bigger than yours.

^^ Sorry but in my language we use "k" in such cases and Crazy knows what does it translates too ... aparently you do to :D

Delightful as ever, Naz

Car. "Car" you dirty-minded ppl.:ohno:

^^ Of course is car, but as I explained in my language the same word, but spelled with "k" instead of "C", indeed means "C***"


Edit: notice the "3" asterix (or is it axteri???) after the letter "C", not 2!!!!! :tongue2:

:) all the best with your adwords... maybe one day it will pay you a garage :)

Has anyone deciphered this yet?:nuts:

Has anyone deciphered this yet?:nuts:

No I've been trying all day........my father's got an old Enigma machine I'm going to try running it through that tonight.
:nuts:

...

Anybody seen any strange movements on the bulding site lately ?

e.g trucks, soil equipment, excavators, crawler-type vehicles, hot dog stands or even ... (building) workers ???

:wallbash:


Rgds,

F.

Strange Movements :lol:

I think they call it construction

Been informed the central tower will get a public release on the April 13th 07

^^ Friday the 13th! :eek: not really the best day traditionally

^^ They consulted their diaries and only 1st and 13th were available.

Anybody seen any strange movements on the bulding site lately ?

e.g trucks, soil equipment, excavators, crawler-type vehicles, hot dog stands or even ... (********) workers ???

:wallbash:


Rgds,

F.

I took this picture last week, quite a lot of people on the site (about 10) but they were just putting up the site hut also I think this *** sign was also put up so I would expect piling to start soon

http://i10.tinypic.com/29oh54z.jpg

Looks like piling will start soon.

at last something is happening...

Long way to go now!

I dont think the completion will be before Mid 2010, and they have said that the Hotel will open in 2010, but they are not specific to the exact quarter rite?

Positive signs, thats the main thing! :okay:

Long way to go now!

I dont think the completion will be before Mid 2010, and they have said that the Hotel will open in 2010, but they are not specific to the exact quarter rite?

The hotel will probably be finished first because of meeting contractual agreements. The snagging and finishing of the other 2 towers could be delayed a bit more than the hotel if needed.

My post about future operation of escrow accounts in Dubai removed as there is a small positive comment about DS. If anybody is interested the post is in the investments thread:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438574&page=20

Morris, why are you posting pro-DS propaganda all over the forum? Everyone here knows they've lied to investors and will deliver everything late.

Having money in Escrow stops you losing the money, but doesn't stop you losing profits due to late delivery, etc..

Morris, why are you posting pro-DS propaganda all over the forum? Everyone here knows they've lied to investors and will deliver everything late.

Having money in Escrow stops you losing the money, but doesn't stop you losing profits due to late delivery, etc..

I just thought as the article was also talking about escrow accounts in general it might be interesting. And the fact that BC is the first project in Duabi with an escrow facility it might be useful info here. Sorry if you're upset, I hadn't realised that only negative DS comments could be posted on this forum, would you like me to remove it ??

You've posted it in more than one place - i believe that isn't allowed. Plus I am also referring to various other pro-DS biased & unbalanced posts.

You've posted it in more than one place - i believe that isn't allowed. Plus I am also referring to various other pro-DS biased & unbalanced posts.

OK sorry I didn't know I could only post an article in one thread, so it has been removed.
As far as I am concerned my posts are non-biased and balanced, for example have a look at my post no. 415.
Problem is you just don't like to hear anything positive about DS. Funny there's loads of completely negative posts on this thread and I don' hear you complaining that they're unbalanced. :ohno:

Which property have you bought in Tractor, just out of interest?

Just ignore him (or her) Morris.

Bad news travels faster than good news - same old story.

You've posted it in more than one place - i believe that isn't allowed. Plus I am also referring to various other pro-DS biased & unbalanced posts.

Like all other developers, there are issues with all stakeholders involved in a development and there are bound to be delays and problems. So DS is not doing anything different within the marina compared to others.
Obviously as purchasers we are pi**d off with loss of earning. But thats why its called 'off-plan'?!

Yes, they have caused problems in regards of the hotel announcements, price rises and dates but seems like its a marketing plot that worked for them to bring interest in BC.

But in regard to DS like it or not, they have a great service for foreigners in several countries to make a purchase in BC without having any problems from language barriers all the way to contracts. And not to forget of developments that has brought in great interest into the marina itself!

So i dont think anyone has the right to talk about biased and unbalanced, because people have a right to talk about both sides of the issue.

13/April/2007

Bay Central

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Thnks for the update... maybe they get there on time.... :angel:

Anybody seen any news on the Central Tower & Hotel launch which was supposed to being happening on 13th April (ie. yesterday). DS website shows nothing updated.............another false start ??

^^ Actually last week, they (DS) have been advertising the name of the Hotel in newspaper ads.

Anybody seen any news on the Central Tower & Hotel launch which was supposed to being happening on 13th April (ie. yesterday). DS website shows nothing updated.............another false start ??

Updating on the official launch....it was at a Hotel in Central London. The central tower has been officially launch, and it was quite busy there. Seems like there is good enough interest here...Select Prop also had their other properties on display here.

Got the official Central tower prices etc...which have already been posted earlier. Quite a lot of the DS staff are down in Dubai as well for some reason.

Asked them if there will be any changes to the plan since the hotel is in the east. (for e.g the pool seems rather small for a hotel and the central tower has a bigger one!!) They have no idea!

Also asked them about the sale of the villas in the podium and shops. They have no idea about these as well.

Was informed the piling is to start soon so hopefully we'll be seeing more interesting pictures.

And not to forget thanks for the pictures guys!

plenty of "no ideas"....

anyway seems that finally seems construction will start.

Certainly positive are the serviced apartments and variety of leisure and restaurant options within the same complex.

Seems also that BC hotel is holding the only alcohol licence within the Marina licence :cheers:

Anybody knows of any commercial property with a payment plan similar to BC is offering ?

Know thats not of interest in this thread - just asking.

Thnks

F.

...Seems also that BC hotel is holding the only alcohol licence within the Marina licence.

Another BULLSHIT brought to you by Dubai Select Properties. :yes:

no need to use this kind of language...

sounded to me strange as well however that is what I was told (licence)

maybe after a certain hour of a day... dont know and not really of interest anyway...

^^ It is a BS.

somehow those Select guys are no more different than all other developers out there..

OK to clear up the "bullshit" here's a direct quote from the F&Q sheet sent with my contract:

"As the only remaining plot on Dubai Marina with a licence in place to operate a hotel, Bay Central has naturally been a highly attractive proposition for all the major hotel operating brands active in the Emirate."

It's easy for people to mis-hear and mis-interpret information.........that's simply what has happened here.