No need to be so nasty, someone asked the question and I was just trying to be of assistance.

Apologies if you thought I was being nasty. Not my intention. However I asked SG the fees and posted them on here and you have managed to get from 12 to 15 dhs/sqf to 35 in a week. On my two bed thats an increase of 24000 dhs in two weeks. I would call that scaremongering. I would also say that if I was a potential investor Reading your post it would alarm me enough that I would not buy in BC.
Now that IS nasty and I fear your initial comment is disingenuous.
SG director told me that they are 12/15 dhs per sqft at present for similar maintence and chiller fees. Manutd confirmed this by advising point is 15. That's a fact!

I agree with DXbpc...
Some people are making negative comments and those ba.....s have no relation regarding BC...i think we shoud throw out those ...... .

the charge will be around £15AED even if they mentain 5 Star Standard...For extra service there will obvious charge...

its great Progress in last month...Almost 4 floors including Maintainence floor @Central Tower and about 6 Floors@West Tower...

I am happy with the current progress...will wait for DXBPC s pictures....
Imre your friday update would be great

16oct09
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16Nov09 - from Silverene thread -Lucky they will have BC view
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I agree also with dxbPC. I do not want my investment being downvalued everytime we have a bit of a joke on here. there is a post on another thread where a potential investor typed in 'apartments in dubai marina, marina quays??' and then decided not to bother and actually posted to ask what all the investors were doing slagging off the properties... So please can we put our brain into gear before we open our mouths!

Straight John Bull, The Point fees total are £100 per week for a 1600 sq ft 3 bedder. Progress on west and central continues vertically at a good speed so great news for all in here. Hope there has been a bit of podium work going on as they could do with the storage once the other tower starts to break ground.

Straight John Bull, The Point fees total are £100 per week for a 1600 sq ft 3 bedder. Progress on west and central continues vertically at a good speed so great news for all in here. Hope there has been a bit of podium work going on as they could do with the storage once the other tower starts to break ground.

That works out exactly [obviously] as manutd said 15 + 2. That's good as long as they provide the service and keep on top of it. But that's upto Us, the tennants to make sure they do...and we will.
Anybody staying in Dubai Marina is in the best location and fees reflect that. The place is fantastic.

That works out exactly [obviously] as manutd said 15 + 2. That's good as long as they provide the service and keep on top of it. But that's upto Us, the tennants to make sure they do...and we will.
Anybody staying in Dubai Marina is in the best location and fees reflect that. The place is fantastic.

Unfortunately it won't be up to us bcse most are on the LTPP and SGwillget you to sign the Addendum before possesion therefore giving up your voting rights on any owners association -- hopefully owners can sort this out before completion --we failed at the Point after spending afew k so we will see ?

With regard to service charge akthough Thr Point is relatively cheap for the Marina --what you get for your money is scandalous --very poor gym pool area amenities --hope BC will be better for us

That works out exactly [obviously] as manutd said 15 + 2. That's good as long as they provide the service and keep on top of it. But that's upto Us, the tennants to make sure they do...and we will.
Anybody staying in Dubai Marina is in the best location and fees reflect that. The place is fantastic.

JBR is AED15.32 sq ft. Fee went up to AED21.75 but appeal by many owners to (RERA?) brought it back to 15.32.

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^^Thanks Sale - very nice - looks like there working on floor 24 on west?

Great progress since i was there 10 days ago. Hope they keep this up. Great photos thanks.

^^Thanks Sale - very nice - looks like there working on floor 24 on west?

they were working on 25th floor on west tower this morning 19/11/09. and 18th floor on central tower. was rushing at 11 am in dubai. so did not take pics will post some comments over weekend as just landed in uk . FWIW will post pics on my behalf soon.
:banana:

All photos courtesy of DXBGo. Thanks for these mate!

I am smiling whilst looking at these pictures, I can see a lot of progress. Keep it up SG!

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:lol:

bla

Have they abandoned the show flat then?

what a gerry built shit hole !
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

u mean dubai in general right:bash:

THIS TIME LAST YEAR!!

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20/November/2009

Bay Central from the Zumurud

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Great Photos...One of the best view in Marina from BC....
Thank you very much Dxbpo,dxbpc and Imre.

Hi there,
I am interested in selling in the near future. It would be in the 29th floor at my original March 07 price.PM me if interested.

26/November/2009

Bay Central

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Imre great photos. thanks

…it is not my intention to be scaremonger...but Dubai Islamic Bank, where our funds are held within Escrow accounts, seems strongly exposed as lending institutions with Dubai World / Nakheel financial difficulties.
Will our Escrow accounts be safe and guaranteed? And what will happen if Dubai Islamic Bank will collapse?
Anyone has ever obtained from SP/SG a written statement of the Escrow account opened on our behalf within Dubai Islamic Bank (i.e. a bank statement with revenues and expenses related to the construction process). No further communications by their side from a long time...just repeating that everything is in place and construction process is complying with the scheduled milestones.
Any thought about these issues?
Even if the construction activities are now progressing with a good pace, (especially in comparison with so many developments still “on hold”)…WHEN and HOW this development will be completed?...Only God knows…:ohno:

…it is not my intention to be scaremonger...but Dubai Islamic Bank, where our funds are held within Escrow accounts, seems strongly exposed as lending institutions with Dubai World / Nakheel financial difficulties.
Will our Escrow accounts be safe and guaranteed? And what will happen if Dubai Islamic Bank will collapse?
Anyone has ever obtained from SP/SG a written statement of the Escrow account opened on our behalf within Dubai Islamic Bank (i.e. a bank statement with revenues and expenses related to the construction process). No further communications by their side from a long time...just repeating that everything is in place and construction process is complying with the scheduled milestones.
Any thought about these issues?
Even if the construction activities are now progressing with a good pace, (especially in comparison with so many developments still “on hold”)…WHEN and HOW this development will be completed?...Only God knows…:ohno:


Wouls suggest if DIB goes down we are all F#c#ed - gone past worrying now to be honest

Hi there,
I am interested in selling in the near future. It would be in the 29th floor at my original March 07 price.PM me if interested.

And I am intrested in selling but dont stand a bloody chance at present even at 2007 OP !

And I am intrested in selling but dont stand a bloody chance at present even at 2007 OP !

SELLING! Now theres me thinking you were going to invite me whilst we are in Dubai this weekend to come and have a drink by the HOTELS pool:lol: Fixed up that trip up TT yet? 9-1, whats that all about......

SELLING! Now theres me thinking you were going to invite me whilst we are in Dubai this weekend to come and have a drink by the HOTELS pool:lol: Fixed up that trip up TT yet? 9-1, whats that all about......


TT 1pm Monday --bring some underslings LOL

Hotels pool will be 2014 hopefully (you old cynic !!) -thats if we are not all DOOMED BY then --actually loks like BC has moved on a bit ?

Wouls suggest if DIB goes down we are all F#c#ed - gone past worrying now to be honest

Just get this bad feeling about dubai. hope it is not a bubble waiting to burst.
If DIB goes under we are all up sh#t creek without a paddle
:ohno:

I think everyone needs to calm down and take a deep breath!

What's really happened? Nothing, just more media articles spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt.

The only way out of this economic situation is for the West to inflate away their debts. This shot across the bows from Dubai is saying F**k You to the west. You want the money, you'll have to wait. Simple choice really, meanwhile what do you think will happen to the price of oil/gold?

you can just about see Bc West

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Thankyou for the photos Imre & Beppe786 :)

Has anyone heard or received notification of a possible further payment holiday for those on SPP? Ive emailed them today inorder for them to confirm as to whether Jan 1st 2010 is still the date for the next payment.

Thankyou for the photos Imre & Beppe786 :)

Has anyone heard or received notification of a possible further payment holiday for those on SPP? Ive emailed them today inorder for them to confirm as to whether Jan 1st 2010 is still the date for the next payment.

No but I have paid 70% i am not going to pay the next 20% till i get a official RERA approved payment plan from SG.
Beppe what do you think. will e mail you seperately.

:ohno:

Rera is a complete sack of shit just like Select Group and Select Property.I am still waiting for a response to a emial from June

Just get this bad feeling about dubai. hope it is not a bubble waiting to burst.
:ohno:

Yeah me too, that would be, like, totally bad.

Yeah me too, that would be, like, totally bad.

I returned from dubai last week and felt very positive about BC and other activities with a lot of people and malls being full.
even taxi drivers felt things were picking up.
But this dubai holdings owing money and asking for extension is worrying me. It may have the ripple effect like the credit crunch started in USA.
Or may be I am wrong. I hope I am wrong

^^^^ this is really a self-inflicted wound!! they have no one else to blame but themselves. Mo and his team seem to have not only miscalculated big time, but so far, have shown incompetency in handling the fallout of their unthoughtful and nonsensical sudden decision, hiding behind a religious holiday!! if they don't do major damage control ASAP and even reverse course, the repercussions on dubai will be felt for a long time. for now, this is a major setback for the real estate sector in dubai and might very well jeopardize dubai's status as a rising regional financial hub!

it could be fixed, but it will need a great amount of courage from UAE's leadership to acknowledge this blunder and work on its resolution fast.

From Standard & Poor's Ratings Direct, Dated December 23 2008.

Summary:
Dubai Islamic Bank
Credit Rating: A-/Negative/A-2
Rationale
The ratings on Dubai Islamic Bank (DIB) reflect the bank's robust financial performance, adequate liquidity, and
good capitalization. Partially offsetting these positive factors are DIB's high exposure to the domestic real estate
sector, its rapid loan growth, and fierce competition in the bank's operating environment. The long-term rating on
DIB is two notches above the bank's stand-alone creditworthiness to reflect Standard & Poor's Ratings Services'
expectation of strong likelihood of support from the Emirate of Dubai (not rated), the bank's largest shareholder, in
case of need. We classify DIB as a government-related entity (GRE) under our methodology.
With total assets of United Arab Emirates dirham (AED) 86.8 billion on Sept. 30, 2008, DIB controls a market share
of about 10% of the UAE banking system's total deposits. The bank is heavily exposed to the real estate sector--its
historical core competence--representing more than one-quarter of the bank's assets and 2.3x of adjusted total
equity on Sept. 30, 2008. Standard & Poor's views this exposure as an important source of risk in light of the
increasing probability of a sharp correction in the sector. Under such a scenario, DIB's asset quality would
deteriorate rapidly and raise the bank's provisioning needs, ultimately impacting profitability. DIB's exposure to the
stock market is another source of risk, in light of the sharp fall in the Dubai financial market in 2008. The bank has
total exposure to the stock market of about AED6.0 billion, including equity in strategic subsidiaries.
On a positive note, DIB's funding profile appears adequate, with a ratio of loans to deposits of 78% on Sept. 30,
2008. Excess liquidity is placed in liquid instruments and local investment vehicles. DIB's capitalization is good
given the bank's risk profile and dividend payouts are becoming more conservative.

Outlook
The negative outlook reflects our expectation that DIB's asset quality and financial performance will deteriorate in
line with the increasing pressure on the real estate sector.
We will lower the ratings if the bank's financial profile deteriorates significantly or links with the government of
Dubai weaken.
On the other hand, we could raise the ratings or revise the outlook to stable if operating environment pressure eases,
DIB demonstrates superior resilience to current market conditions, or if the bank improves its financial profile
substantially.

DIB has now been downgraded to BBB+

Still acceptable...however...a UAE bank system collapse is actually my main concern!

Newsflash

SP are not accepting payments in UAE Dirhams anymore, your next instalment must be paid in gold bullion.



:jk:

…it is not my intention to be scaremonger...but Dubai Islamic Bank, where our funds are held within Escrow accounts, seems strongly exposed as lending institutions with Dubai World / Nakheel financial difficulties.
Will our Escrow accounts be safe and guaranteed? And what will happen if Dubai Islamic Bank will collapse?
Anyone has ever obtained from SP/SG a written statement of the Escrow account opened on our behalf within Dubai Islamic Bank (i.e. a bank statement with revenues and expenses related to the construction process). No further communications by their side from a long time...just repeating that everything is in place and construction process is complying with the scheduled milestones.
Any thought about these issues?
Even if the construction activities are now progressing with a good pace, (especially in comparison with so many developments still “on hold”)…WHEN and HOW this development will be completed?...Only God knows…:ohno:

Joe, you need to be cooler


"Central Bank to Back Banks with Funds

29 November 2009, 6:12 PMABU DHABI — The UAE Central Bank said on Sunday that local banks and branches of foreign banks in the country can borrow funds, if needed, from a new funding facility it has set up to support the banking system.

“(The) Central Bank of the UAE ….stands behind UAE banks and branches of foreign banks operating in the UAE,” said a central bank statement. The bank said that it has issued a notice to all banks in the country about the new “special additional liquidity facility”, which it said would be linked to their current accounts at the central bank, at the rate of 50 basis points above the three-month Emirates Interbank Offered Rates or EIBOR."

more on
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle09.asp?xfile=data/business/2009/November/business_November646.xml&section=business

Giles Beswick on CNN telling us all that everything is OK. Phew!

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2009/11/27/neill.dubai.atlantis.turmoil.cnn

Did he just leave school and go straight to work with Select as head of developments?:dunno:

Thank you for your infos, Slowhand...I really hope you are right.

But when SP will ask to be paid with gold bars we will be all together in a big trouble :hilarious

Seriously, after so many bollocks from SP...together with a complete lack of communication and timely replies (I wondering if someone have ever obtained some satisfactory answers about escrow accounts, hotel issue, construction milestones and so on)...any bad news get on your nerves!!!

Reality is that SG will deliver our apartments WHEN and HOW they will decide to do and in a similar situation (so many developments cancelled or on hold) to get the keys will be an outstanding success!:ohno:

:goodnight

Location, Location, Location!!!

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Thank you for your infos, Slowhand...I really hope you are right.

But when SP will ask to be paid with gold bars we will be all together in a big trouble :hilarious

Seriously, after so many bollocks from SP...together with a complete lack of communication and timely replies (I wondering if someone have ever obtained some satisfactory answers about escrow accounts, hotel issue, construction milestones and so on)...any bad news get on your nerves!!!

Reality is that SG will deliver our apartments WHEN and HOW they will decide to do and in a similar situation (so many developments cancelled or on hold) to get the keys will be an outstanding success!:ohno:

:goodnight

Every one is forgetting one point. If dubai keeps changing Visa rules and not many people relocating to dubai. With big banks and businesses cutting workforce. where are you going to get tenants to rent once you get your apartments unless offcourse you are the end user.
:ohno:

^^ front apartment will get a great view over marina mall and past JLT, aswell as both side of the marina..

jan 10 payment coming up close now.. but im not paying untill RERA Aproved payment plan is provided.

SP timesale was both towers to top out end of the year! :lol:

Around March/April top out of west tower if five floors per month, my guess

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Thank you for your infos, Slowhand...I really hope you are right.

But when SP will ask to be paid with gold bars we will be all together in a big trouble :hilarious

Seriously, after so many bollocks from SP...together with a complete lack of communication and timely replies (I wondering if someone have ever obtained some satisfactory answers about escrow accounts, hotel issue, construction milestones and so on)...any bad news get on your nerves!!!

Reality is that SG will deliver our apartments WHEN and HOW they will decide to do and in a similar situation (so many developments cancelled or on hold) to get the keys will be an outstanding success!:ohno:

:goodnight

providing Dubai Islamic bank doesn't go bust along with our escrow account then the project completes. We all expect handover to be well late. This bad news will persuade some to sell up quicker than they would normally do, persuade potential newcomers not to bother buying or moving to Dubai all of which doesn't help investors. On the other hand perhaps only existing projects will be finished and no new ones launched for a long time which will restrict supply more than we were expecting. How all this balances out is difficult to see but on balance I think it has to be negative for the next 1 or 2 years at least. The Marina is very attractive and BC is in a great location in the Marina and so we shouldn't lose money but perhaps not make as much as we expected. But if you are going to live in your apartment then shouldn't make that much difference.

…I would not even taking into account the term IF...with WHEN and HOW our development will be completed!
Further news shows that UAE government will not consider any financial responsibility with UK and European banks regarding Dubai World companies; otherwise UAE central bank seems to be prone to inject supplementary funds to sustain emirates banks institutions with financial difficulties, eventually.
Also Abu Dhabi will have all the interest to support the neighboring Dubai economic recover.
Regarding the location within the surrounding Marina, I agree BC has a great position and future limited supply would be an advantage in terms of tenant finding.
But at the moment it is a really tough prediction to forecast how the rental market will be when our development will be ready.
I will hold my apartment until completion for sure looking forward better economic climate and hoping to achieve a decent rental yield; in my opinion Dubai will need a very long stabilization process…if you look for a long term investment (5 / 10 yrs) this development should be still rewarding. :horse:

what a cr@p week. this uae govt hasnt told us anything. i cant make out what they were trying to do..it is a big PR disaster..they should havepsoken to creditors in advance and then announce a joint restructuring statement..as for the future.....
i dont even know what the apts are worth now...population growth wont be what was expected..yes supply will be restricted but with BC being in a prime area and that most of the prime companies not being keen to continue business in dubai for a while in view of "debt crisis" we could be sitting on high end apts with fewer high end tenants than prev....until dubai starts having international recognized accountancy/policies/transparency the situation will drag on i fear:ohno:

CBP --Remember to post my PALM and ATLANTIS view from BC -it was nice surptise to find out i could see all that from my pad

Great progress. At least one of mine is physically there now...24th floor. Floor 25 is mechanical floor so will take more time.
Should be two years at this rate before we get our keys...


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Sat on the balcony off The Yatch club and busy they are on BC. From this position you can see plenty off both towers so good YC views from most flats.

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Man Utd the view you will get from your bc appt

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And another

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This shows the podium is up above road and water level at the front.

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Same pic sorry.....

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Show flat, we were barred from getting in here. Slowhand have you any idea when this is open to inspect?

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Note the crane Accidents stop when safety begins....... They are taking the piss.

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Man Utd the view you will get from your bc appt

What floor will you be on ManUtd ?

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They have been busy piling those poles into the water dead opp the BC it looks like the starting of the pontoons so the boats will give it a great outlook.

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Plenty of moorings here soon.

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Show flat, we were barred from getting in here. Slowhand have you any idea when this is open to inspect
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Show flat is NOT open for general inspection as far as i know...it is for workers to see what to do and what is expected from them. I believe they will post photos and a video at some point though!

I think all that rubbish in the fore ground is from the Quays site? The Quays is being handed over now, how would you like to get your keys for your brand new apartment with all that crap lying around.:ohno:

DisgraCEfull!

It seems the DCE likes the rubbish everywhere:)

Show flat is NOT open for general inspection as far as i know...it is for workers to see what to do and what is expected from them. I believe they will post photos and a video at some point though!

I thought they already released the pics on their website!

Found these;

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Love they way they've done the ceilings:) The wooden floors are also very nice, in fact some may prefer this over the Italian marble fitted in Silverene.

Thanks CBP for the update. In these days of financial doom and gloom as least this project is still progressing albeit slowly.

DXbPC I think whoever has told you that is talking rubbish. There should be foreman and consultants on site to tell them what is expected. Even then DCE cannot produce the same as the cgi above. These appts will not have lowered coffered ceilings and cold cathode perimeter pelmet lighting like shown. Did we not see some tiled floor pics somewhere or was that TT?

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Plenty of moorings here soon.

this pic is fantastic!

Thanks for all those pics CBP! I am a little annoyed that I won't just be getting my Al Fattan view and will see too much sea/palm view!!! :lol:

I thought they already released the pics on their website!

Found these;

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Love they way they've done the ceilings:) The wooden floors are also very nice, in fact some may prefer this over the Italian marble fitted in Silverene.

Dont get too expectant these are CGI's aren't they ?

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Floor 31 corner unit -- so looking over the two low JBR towers -- have ATLANTIS , PALM , GH , INFINITY and SiX tower View Also
- xmas has come early for me if I keep it

31 --

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Man Utd the view you will get from your bc appt

great ! right pic this time

^^^^Nice watch Man u. Karama copy? LOLO:lol:

DXbPC I think whoever has told you that is talking rubbish. There should be foreman and consultants on site to tell them what is expected. Even then DCE cannot produce the same as the cgi above. These appts will not have lowered coffered ceilings and cold cathode perimeter pelmet lighting like shown. Did we not see some tiled floor pics somewhere or was that TT?

Every developement i have bought in does the exact same thing. They do a mock up to make sure everything is ok then it is there for comparison. In fact i don't know of any developements that haven't done it. That aside it was the project director that told me that.
Thanks for all your photos...good effort.
What i can say for definate is the Bay Central finishes are far better than The Point and also they have Stailnless steel cooker hoods.

Dont get too expectant these are CGI's aren't they ?

TB's either a dope or a wind up merchant. He could be both.

31 --

I did suspect having observed the the space and gap of the JBR apartments to the right of the Al fattan towers that there would be a partial sea view from Bay Central West Tower, but Im certainly plesantly surprised with how much from CBP pics.

I will be also on 31 west .. it appears we will be neighbours.

Shame really as Im a big LFC Fan! :lol:

Jac same floor as Manutd, thats a problem. I spent the weekend with him and couldnt understand a word he was saying, thought he had a drink problem! Turns out he is Welsh.

I did suspect having observed the the space and gap of the JBR apartments to the right of the Al fattan towers that there would be a partial sea view from Bay Central West Tower, but Im certainly plesantly surprised with how much from CBP pics.

I will be also on 31 west .. it appears we will be neighbours.

Shame really as Im a big LFC Fan! :lol:

It's OK I am on right hand side so won't see the West Tower and the Liverpool fans !! :lol::lol: -look forward to seeing you for xmas 2011 !

Jac same floor as Manutd, thats a problem. I spent the weekend with him and couldnt understand a word he was saying, thought he had a drink problem! Turns out he is Welsh.

Diolch yn fawr Charlie --you bl**dy rascist Londoner :lol::lol:

What view from Al Fattan we missed that at 800aed psf mate should have been in Dubai in 2004/5 eh ?

Racist who me! nothing wrong with 21 year old swedish blondes. X2 :)

Racist who me! nothing wrong with 21 year old swedish blondes. X2 :)

In yer dreams mate :lol::lol:

Good pics mate you'rE after IMRE's crown now I see ??

Racist who me! nothing wrong with 21 year old swedish blondes. X2 :)

Who do you think you are? Tiger Woods:lol:

Any one knows what is the future for hotel tower? and will there be handover if it isn't completed?

Cheers

Who do you think you are? Tiger Woods:lol:

Apart from a few quid, there is one big difference between me and Tiger! He got caught :lol: Oh and the handicap of course.

Any one knows what is the future for hotel tower? and will there be handover if it isn't completed?

Cheers
handover of aparts will take place prior to completion of hotel as it is two seperate plots. Hotel will be officially 1 year behind apartments.

handover of aparts will take place prior to completion of hotel as it is two seperate plots. Hotel will be officially 1 year behind apartments.

I have been verbally told that hotel tower will be topped out and all exterior construction finished by the time we move in. SP/SG say that only the interior work will be ongoing within the hotel and that should not affect residents.

I don't really believe this because by 31st Dec 2009 the two residential towers were planned to be topped out (superstructures complete). So unless they have a magic wand to speed things up, I cannot see this May 2009 - Dec 2009 milestone (as taken from Aug 2009 SP update) being kept.

We have good progress here, so don't get me wrong, but they are still behind on their own goals.

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04/December/2009

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great pics imre.thanks
they had started on 25th floor in west tower on 19th november day i left dubai. still seem to stuck on 25th floor.
Any building experts please comment.
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great pics imre.thanks
they had started on 25th floor in west tower on 19th november day i left dubai. still seem to stuck on 25th floor.
Any building experts please comment.
:bash:
not a building expert but it is a mechanical floor and which i am told take 12/14 days and are also double floors. Also floor plan above 25 changes to 2 and 3 beds and penthouses...don't know if that counts...
So basically it should be complete any day now

Beppe posted this in the DM thread:

Shows the sea view the hotel will get.

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not a building expert but it is a mechanical floor and which i am told take 12/14 days and are also double floors. Also floor plan above 25 changes to 2 and 3 beds and penthouses...don't know if that counts...
So basically it should be complete any day now

so by my calculation 5 -6 days per floor west tower should reach final floor by at least end of march 2010 if SG keep up the same pace.
:)

Looks like they forgot it was a mechanical floor, the columns have been extended rather than poured in one go.

Hope they haven't f**ked up the core, or that will be a little tricky.

Looks like they forgot it was a mechanical floor, the columns have been extended rather than poured in one go.

Hope they haven't f**ked up the core, or that will be a little tricky.

Now i AM worried !! :ohno:

Now i AM worried !! :ohno:

Come on...keep it real.

OK, I started something so I should back it up. I had a look back to some earlier pics taken by CBP of what I think is the same floor. In the pic below you can see them starting to set up the table formwork for the next floor.

To me it looks like the columns are cast standard height, but we can see in the later pic above that at the front they have extended the columns. This suggests they discovered their mistake about the time of this photo and went back and extended the columns. Now what might have alerted them to the discrepancy could be the core configuration. In this pic below it does look to me that the core pullout bars and the stair floor level (just below the D in DCE) are well above the level of the floor they are setting up. This could point to the possibility that the core is correct and the columns were cast short and after investigation are now being extended.

A bit of a guess but still an educated guess. See what you all think.

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I am at a total loss regarding build progress,previous posts state the delay on the lack of progress is down to the mechanical floor being a double floor, whats the kin reason for next to f@ck all progress in the central tower.

What's wrong with the third tower ??

What's wrong with the third tower ??

Nothing wrong just a small delays which will push back the whole project completion date around 2012.

F@ck me ive heard it all now a small delay of 3 kin years.

Why don't you check your facts with Select before posting this non information on this forum. While your valued expertise is welcomed [remind me how many skyscrapers you have built] again you are offering YOUR opinion that is very detramental to this project. On silverene thread you nearly had a heart attack because someone made a comment about a washing machine that wasn't integrated...on here you think it is ok to post YOUR opinion that they have made fundamental mistakes in the build process...

Seriously - why don't you fuck off with your continual downing of Select projects. Are you trying to force the prices down? Who upset you that much?

I would ask everyone that reads this to look at your opinion accross all select project threads...continual sabotage and derision.

Then check all CAYAN threads with your opinion...all sugar and spice and all things nice...they fucked you over a few years back with delays and extortion. Dorra is sitting like a dump with the pool filthy and unusable...why the loyalty to them.
Have you got a new job in sales for Cayan?


OK, I started something so I should back it up. I had a look back to some earlier pics taken by CBP of what I think is the same floor. In the pic below you can see them starting to set up the table formwork for the next floor.

To me it looks like the columns are cast standard height, but we can see in the later pic above that at the front they have extended the columns. This suggests they discovered their mistake about the time of this photo and went back and extended the columns. Now what might have alerted them to the discrepancy could be the core configuration. In this pic below it does look to me that the core pullout bars and the stair floor level (just below the D in DCE) are well above the level of the floor they are setting up. This could point to the possibility that the core is correct and the columns were cast short and after investigation are now being extended.

A bit of a guess but still an UNeducated guess. See what you all think.

Why don't you check your facts with Select before posting this non information on this forum. While your valued expertise is welcomed [remind me how many skyscrapers you have built] again you are offering YOUR opinion that is very detramental to this project. On silverene thread you nearly had a heart attack because someone made a comment about a washing machine that wasn't integrated...on here you think it is ok to post YOUR opinion that they have made fundamental mistakes in the build process...

Seriously - why don't you fuck off with your continual downing of Select projects. Are you trying to force the prices down? Who upset you that much?

I would ask everyone that reads this to look at your opinion accross all select project threads...continual sabotage and derision.

Then check all CAYAN threads with your opinion...all sugar and spice and all things nice...they fucked you over a few years back with delays and extortion. Dorra is sitting like a dump with the pool filthy and unusable...why the loyalty to them.
Have you got a new job in sales for Cayan?

^^:ohno:

I don't think my, or anyone's opinion on this forum could influence prices. If I could I would be making millions right now:)

"they fucked you over a few years back with delays and extortion." Unbelieveable statement!!!

^^:ohno:

I don't think my, or anyone's opinion on this forum could influence prices. If I could I would be making millions right now:)

"they fucked you over a few years back with delays and extortion." Unbelieveable statement!!!


Oh I wish i'd allowed CAYAN to F#ck me over a few years back instead of being f#cked over by SG now
-- CAYAN are streets ahead as developers and in fairness to TB I believe he is streets ahead of us because he dropped lucky with developer --after my experience at The POINT i am hoping The TORCH and BC will be better but unfortunatly i,ve bin stuffed on price by SG each way I lose i,m afraid
--not too worry -
getting my limited edition Hublot Man Gold watch Monday and my Black
GTR Friday happy days SG never had it all :lol::lol:

Hey Ho sliver lining !cheers:

^^It’s a small world, this one of ours. Their turn will come and they will get what they deserve soon enough. Its just a matter of time :cheers:

Why don't you check your facts with Select before posting this non information on this forum. While your valued expertise is welcomed [remind me how many skyscrapers you have built] again you are offering YOUR opinion that is very detramental to this project. On silverene thread you nearly had a heart attack because someone made a comment about a washing machine that wasn't integrated...on here you think it is ok to post YOUR opinion that they have made fundamental mistakes in the build process...

Seriously - why don't you fuck off with your continual downing of Select projects. Are you trying to force the prices down? Who upset you that much?

I would ask everyone that reads this to look at your opinion accross all select project threads...continual sabotage and derision.

Then check all CAYAN threads with your opinion...all sugar and spice and all things nice...they fucked you over a few years back with delays and extortion. Dorra is sitting like a dump with the pool filthy and unusable...why the loyalty to them.
Have you got a new job in sales for Cayan?

TB is an unsuccessful kerb layer and unemployed and a sour puss. Always has been. No wonder he is miserable. Nothing he says really makes a bit of difference or is really that useful.

Nothing seems to have changed to me ie slow but steady progress. We'd all like it quicker (much quicker) but its moving forward. No one delirous about this but it is not a disaster and I bet most Point owners are still happy even though they expected more. So will we be when we eventually reach handover

TB is an unsuccessful kerb layer and unemployed and a sour puss. Always has been. No wonder he is miserable. Nothing he says really makes a bit of difference or is really that useful.

Nothing seems to have changed to me ie slow but steady progress. We'd all like it quicker (much quicker) but its moving forward. No one delirous about this but it is not a disaster and I bet most Point owners are still happy even though they expected more. So will we be when we eventually reach handover

:ohno: The record never seems to change from the dynamic duo.

I try to be helpfull and explain a possible reason why the progress has suddenly ground to a halt and all I get is personal insults and the same old diatribe from the 2 guys who seem to know it all.

:ohno: The record never seems to change from the dynamic duo.

I try to be helpfull and explain a possible reason why the progress has suddenly ground to a halt and all I get is personal insults and the same old diatribe from the 2 guys who seem to know it all.

progress has not ground to a halt

there is nothing complicated to know. steady but slow progress until it finishes. that's been the case for last 18 months and follows same pattern as the Point and the Torch. This probably because DCE have cash flow issues and can't fund an army of people before they get paid

your comments add nothing and are careless and slapdash that's why you are unemployed

best wishes for Xmas & New year though

Have a close look at this!

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progress has not ground to a halt

there is nothing complicated to know. steady but slow progress until it finishes. that's been the case for last 18 months and follows same pattern as the Point and the Torch. This probably because DCE have cash flow issues and can't fund an army of people before they get paid

your comments add nothing and are careless and slapdash that's why you are unemployed

best wishes for Xmas & New year though

In ancient Roman times, wealthy landowners used to control their slaves if they tried to run away by branding the word "FUG" on their foreheads(from the latin verb fugare, to runaway). People would notice this easily in public and avoid the fugitives until they were re captured.

This gave me the idea that we could do something similar to you. In order to alert the public about the dangers of being close to you, I thought it would be a good idea to brand the word "TWAT" on your forehead.

Best wishes for xmas.

In ancient Roman times, wealthy landowners used to control their slaves if they tried to run away by branding the word "FUG" on their foreheads(from the latin verb fugare, to runaway). People would notice this easily in public and avoid the fugitives until they were re captured.

This gave me the idea that we could do something similar to you. In order to alert the public about the dangers of being close to you, I thought it would be a good idea to brand the word "TWAT" on your forehead.

Best wishes for xmas.


TB I have to correct you there before you brand Slowhand a "TW#T" remember one thing some "TW#TS" can be useful ? mmm:lol::lol:

Have a close look at this!

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What should i look closely for FWIW -- West tower has a great Al Fattan view
though -- hope they dont build the hotel in front there will be no sea view then ?

What we looking for? Is it the paraglider stuck in the crane or the hotel breaking ground?

TB is an unsuccessful kerb layer and unemployed and a sour puss. Always has been. No wonder he is miserable. Nothing he says really makes a bit of difference or is really that useful.

Nothing seems to have changed to me ie slow but steady progress. We'd all like it quicker (much quicker) but its moving forward. No one delirous about this but it is not a disaster and I bet most Point owners are still happy even though they expected more. So will we be when we eventually reach handover

- I am a POINT owner and I definitely expected more !!
-TB simply speaks the truth (may be a tad vindictive at times) but has more contruction knowledge than i'll ever know and I find it useful to read his thoughts most of the time --keep it upTB

TB beware! You write in big red capitals you too may end up with a select furniture package.

TB beware! You write in big red capitals you too may end up with a select furniture package.

:okay:
Thanks for the warning, I'll use blue in future:laugh:

CBP wrote ====

TB beware! You write in big red capitals you too may end up with a select furniture package


:okay:
Thanks for the warning, I'll use blue in future:laugh:


Or a retiled bathroom ????

RED'S fine by me TB :lol::lol:

What we looking for? Is it the paraglider stuck in the crane or the hotel breaking ground?

OK -- It's the bird on the JBR beach got her t#ts out

Probably trying to grab your attention after seeing your new watch.

Have a close look at this!

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Cmon FWIW let us in on your secret

Got it! Either the beach to the left of the Royal Meriden has been washed away or the guy in the hard hat is having a tug on the old blue vein.

Got it! Either the beach to the left of the Royal Meriden has been washed away or the guy in the hard hat is having a tug on the old blue vein.

Did you guys not notice the BC Central Tower's sea view? :banana:

Well, for me it confirms the general sea view I will get (and that the construction plans are being followed!)

:lol:

Did you guys not notice the BC Central Tower's sea view? :banana:

Well, for me it confirms the general sea view I will get (and that the construction plans are being followed!)

:lol:

We saw that last week it's better than I thought from Central Tower at least from 28 floors high anyway
- Don't think any Sea View from west tower but could be wrong

^^^^ sea views from the west tower are better than central tower. its not particular to a given a floor in the WT, all apartments to the left (Quays side) in the west tower get the view which will not be blocked, though only apartments above the 15th floor on the hotel tower side get a sea view that will probably be blocked when al-fattan hotel gets built.

the angle of the picture you have here just don't show it. you need to go to the beach in front of jbr/fattan to see it clearly.

We saw that last week it's better than I thought from Central Tower at least from 28 floors high anyway
- Don't think any Sea View from west tower but could be wrong

Yeah, I should get some type of sea view from 40 odd floors up!

:lol:

^^^^ sea views from the west tower are better than central tower. with the west tower, its not particular to a given a floor, all apartments to the left (Quays side) get the view, while only apartments above the 15th floor on the hotel tower side in the west tower get a sea view that will probably be blocked when al-fattan hotel gets built.

the angle of the picture you have here just don't show it. you need to go to the beach in front of jbr/fattan to see it clearly.

That's fighting talk Glover. Central tower will have best sea views! :banana:

I think the only way we will settle this is to have a few beers at each other's apartments! :cheers:

Don't know about the sea view, but the fat guy looks hungry, and is staring right at me!

What should i look closely for FWIW -- West tower has a great Al Fattan view
though -- hope they dont build the hotel in front there will be no sea view then ?

SHIT THE BED !!!!! someone has stolen Dubai Promenade !!!!!!!!

We saw that last week it's better than I thought from Central Tower at least from 28 floors high anyway
- Don't think any Sea View from west tower but could be wrong

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Sorry I stand corrected but no Palm or Atlantis view like out of Central Tower ?

Sorry I stand corrected but no Palm or Atlantis view like out of Central Tower ?
Surely you mean no Nakeel building site or Atlantis views?
I am stuck with full sea view from my front balcony and full yacht club view/marina/side sea view from my bedroom balcony.

Still dont get the "your a great guy True Blue" routine from you and Pete...
only recently he has speculated on aed35 per/sq foot on service charges and took a wild guess looking at a dodgy photo that they have constructed the building wrong claiming unfit for purpose. How is this utilizing his expert knowledge.
Having spoken with the project manager yesterday and also director at SG they state categorically that these claims are wild and untrue. My mate who is a developer and builder of skyscrapers in Dubai also confirmed his point as nonsense given it as a guess from a photo. I showed him the same photos TB looked at and let him read his post!
The guy is just trouble and should clarify and confirm his expert opinions in full before posting any such nonsense on a public website.

in propective of RERA how much constuction is complete?

Standard plan people have paid around 70%

my guess is there around 40% complete, so another payment hoilday coming!

Surely you mean no Nakeel building site or Atlantis views?
I am stuck with full sea view from my front balcony and full yacht club view/marina/side sea view from my bedroom balcony.

Still dont get the "your a great guy True Blue" routine from you and Pete...
only recently he has speculated on aed35 per/sq foot on service charges and took a wild guess looking at a dodgy photo that they have constructed the building wrong claiming unfit for purpose. How is this utilizing his expert knowledge.
Having spoken with the project manager yesterday and also director at SG they state categorically that these claims are wild and untrue. My mate who is a developer and builder of skyscrapers in Dubai also confirmed his point as nonsense given it as a guess from a photo. I showed him the same photos TB looked at and let him read his post!
The guy is just trouble and should clarify and confirm his expert opinions in full before posting any such nonsense on a public website.

Here we go again! What are you affraid of?

You need to get a grip of reality, this is an open forum for discussion and not a court room. I don't make any more fancyfull claims than you do. In my opinion your full marina/sea views are of a street full of other buildings, but I don't go seeking expert opinion to counter your claims and assertions.

What I post is just my opinion and I am entitled to state it if I feel it has any relevance. To be fair, I am not wrong very often, in fact I am on the nail more often than the people who sold you your apartments.

As far as I can see the columns were extended, the floor shutters were being set up at the wrong level and the floor a week progress was stalled unless you can provide any enlightenment.

Keep it real!

FYI there is no such course or subject matter in the Bachelor of Engineering Degree in Civil Engineering, which I hold, that covers skyscraper building. Nor is there any Institution or professional body of Skyscraper builders. Construction using concrete and steel is generic throughout the construction industry.

in propective of RERA how much constuction is complete?

Standard plan people have paid around 70%

my guess is there around 40% complete, so another payment hoilday coming!

Well the BC project is defined as three towers in my contract.

As the hotel tower is basically at zero % progress, that means that the 2 towers can only account for 66.6% if they were fully finished. As they are obviously nowhere near that, then we could say that they are a third of the way on the 2 resi towers.

This gives us an approx value of 22.2% progress so far.

According to SP/SG's own revised schedule, we should have the superstructure of the 2 residential towers completed by 31st Dec 2009. This does not look likely in my book, and therefore we will be delayed yet again.

Here we go again! What are you affraid of?

You need to get a grip of reality, this is an open forum for discussion and not a court room. I don't make any more fancyfull claims than you do. In my opinion your full marina/sea views are of a street full of other buildings, but I don't go seeking expert opinion to counter your claims and assertions.

What I post is just my opinion and I am entitled to state it if I feel it has any relevance. To be fair, I am not wrong very often, in fact I am on the nail more often than the people who sold you your apartments.

As far as I can see the columns were extended, the floor shutters were being set up at the wrong level and the floor a week progress was stalled unless you can provide any enlightenment.

Keep it real!

FYI there is no such course or subject matter in the Bachelor of Engineering Degree in Civil Engineering, which I hold, that covers skyscraper building. Nor is there any Institution or professional body of Skyscraper builders. Construction using concrete and steel is generic throughout the construction industry.
Why would i not seek further opinion when you are telling me that the construction of the building is wrong? I take any such comments seriously...especially from people purporting to be expert specialists that are not often wrong.

Regarding my apt views...which floor am i on and what is the height of the building in front of me?

Scott...you are a selfish guy with no regard for other peoples thoughts.That shows with your often reckless comments.

What qualifications do i have? I can tell you how many times you mention yours but i never feel the need to justify myself. Is it "wee man" syndrome?

Finally...as your are no doubt aware attaining a level of education merely shows a level of learning competancy. Experience and knowledge comes when you start to do the job and real life scenarios kick in! How many skyscrapers have you built?

^^Was hoping you would come back with some information or a view on the delay to the floor pour instead of the return to deride True Blue. Or even more personal use of my actual name:ohno:.

Do you have anything to enlighten us about the delay, now that you have spoken to all your team of skyscraper directors and developers?

^^Was hoping you would come back with some information or a view on the delay to the floor pour instead of the return to deride True Blue. Or even more personal use of my actual name:ohno:.

Do you have anything to enlighten us about the delay, now that you have spoken to all your team of skyscraper directors and developers?

As every known member on here knows i email all investors with my information as posting on here leaves it open to non investors trouble makers such as your good self. All the points u raise were addressed by me in an email 4 weeks ago.
If you want to know email me or pop over for a coffee. Don't get your interest though!

FWIW and Beppe, you both reckon 40% and 22% complete to date. After about 3 years is that not a worry. At that rate can you hazard a guess at handover?

Surely you mean no Nakeel building site or Atlantis views?
I am stuck with full sea view from my front balcony and full yacht club view/marina/side sea view from my bedroom balcony.

Still dont get the "your a great guy True Blue" routine from you and Pete...
only recently he has speculated on aed35 per/sq foot on service charges and took a wild guess looking at a dodgy photo that they have constructed the building wrong claiming unfit for purpose. How is this utilizing his expert knowledge.
Having spoken with the project manager yesterday and also director at SG they state categorically that these claims are wild and untrue. My mate who is a developer and builder of skyscrapers in Dubai also confirmed his point as nonsense given it as a guess from a photo. I showed him the same photos TB looked at and let him read his post!
The guy is just trouble and should clarify and confirm his expert opinions in full before posting any such nonsense on a public website.

No time to argue or can bothered to in fact ? It is fact TB droped lucky with CAYAN and good luck to him - I "sucked the mop" with SG but at least most of the stuff i have with them is getting built even i if have paid too much for it !!

But think it is a PALM and ATLANTIS view not a NO Dubai Promenade view either way it's waste of well earned cash for a few years BUT like most things will pay in the end - having said that i was well pleased that the view was better than I had thought it was :cheers::cheers:

^^ we can't do nothing about the delay, but can stop payments and try and not pay more than we need.

FWIW and Beppe, you both reckon 40% and 22% complete to date. After about 3 years is that not a worry. At that rate can you hazard a guess at handover?

CBP
It is a worry regarding delays.my guess is halfway between FWIW and Beppe 30 %.problem starts is that Dubai keeps bringing new laws in which are not helping long term investors or end users.
Some one very high up in finance ministery in dubai has just said that Dubai govt never said that they are behind dubai world or nakheel. and that investors should have read the small print.
My initial impression was that Nakheel was the Master developer for the Dubai Govt when the Palm was released to the world and foreigners could buy in Dubai.
Having an apartment in dubai is one thing. Not Sure we will have people wanting to rent in next 3-4 years.just have to wait and see.
:ohno:

Why would i not seek further opinion when you are telling me that the construction of the building is wrong? I take any such comments seriously...especially from people purporting to be expert specialists that are not often wrong.

Regarding my apt views...which floor am i on and what is the height of the building in front of me?

Scott...you are a selfish guy with no regard for other peoples thoughts.That shows with your often reckless comments.

What qualifications do i have? I can tell you how many times you mention yours but i never feel the need to justify myself. Is it "wee man" syndrome?

Finally...as your are no doubt aware attaining a level of education merely shows a level of learning competancy. Experience and knowledge comes when you start to do the job and real life scenarios kick in! How many skyscrapers have you built?

Dxbpc / TB come on kiss and make up guys --lifes too short !!

FWIW and Beppe, you both reckon 40% and 22% complete to date. After about 3 years is that not a worry. At that rate can you hazard a guess at handover?

I'm past the point of worrying...

I'm still prepared for handover in Aug 2011...but would love to be proven wrong on this!

in propective of RERA how much constuction is complete?

Standard plan people have paid around 70%

my guess is there around 40% complete, so another payment hoilday coming!

Beppe,

Ive sent two emails requiring confirmation of whether the next payment is still due 1st Jan 2010.

Ive heard nothing which inidicates to me that there will be every possibilty of a holiday payment- do what I did sit and wait,

Because low and behold I recived a letter dated 31st August 09 received a week later stating a holiday payment was granted albeit many paid on the 1st Sept - I didnt.

Ive obtained the monies to pay 1st Jan and ready to transfer but now contemplating other options as I speculate holiday payment may very well be til March 2010 or even later.

Dxbpc / TB come on kiss and make up guys --lifes too short !!

I agree ^^
I appreciate both views and the mass contribution that you both have made; Thankyou. However its not very pleasant to read the comments which become personal - no need pls gentlemen-

Continue with your contribution and allow the readers to make up their own minds - I personally can see valid remarks made from both side, but the name calling is not very pretty.

Just my two pence on the matter :ohno:

Scott :pet: Mark

kiss and makeup!

10/December/2009

Bay Central

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Hi Guys, Just joined this site, looks great with lots of interesting information and pictures. Certainly more information provided here than what Select have provided this year. I used to receive regular calls from Spyroulla at Select in Manchester until she was made redundant last December. Since then.......I'm sure I'll hear from them soon though, a 1 year gap between correspondence aint so bad is it?....I know I wouldn't have any customers left if I treated them to the same kind of level of customer service. Took my Dad out to the site recently, he's a builder. His thoughts are that it will be another 8 weeks at best before the West Tower is at full height. He's been pretty good with his estimations so far, better than the developer you could say!

Know what you mean!!

F@ck me ive heard it all now a small delay of 3 kin years.

Know what you mean!

I did suspect having observed the the space and gap of the JBR apartments to the right of the Al fattan towers that there would be a partial sea view from Bay Central West Tower, but Im certainly plesantly surprised with how much from CBP pics.

I will be also on 31 west .. it appears we will be neighbours.

Shame really as Im a big LFC Fan! :lol:
More Reds below on the 28th floor

More Reds below on the 28th floor

Reds here too, we will have this Man utd fella begging for mercy :)

Reds here too, we will have this Man utd fella begging for mercy :)

Did you know Michael Owen's a red now too !!!

Did you know Michael Owen's a red now too !!!

Im sorry is that "judas" Owen you re referring to? :devil:

Welcome RedWayne28thFloor ..

Nice to hear there are the "real" Red fans in the "soon to be completed" West Tower - sorry MANUTD this does not count you ! :tongue4:

Reds here too, we will have this Man utd fella begging for mercy :)

Sorry tick tock, I'm a Manchester Red not a Scouse red!!

Hi Guys, Just joined this site, looks great with lots of interesting information and pictures. Certainly more information provided here than what Select have provided this year.

Welcome here :)

11/December/2009

Bay Central

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Anyone know how many floors have still to go on the West tower? When is the next construction update due from Select?

i think another 10 floors or so and be near topped out on west tower

Anyone know how many floors have still to go on the West tower? When is the next construction update due from Select?

Looking at the picture I'd guess around 8 floors still left. Next update due on the 15th December

Im sorry is that "judas" Owen you re referring to? :devil:

Welcome RedWayne28thFloor ..

Nice to hear there are the "real" Red fans in the "soon to be completed" West Tower - sorry MANUTD this does not count you ! :tongue4:

LOL --Have you heard the new song on the block ????
(To the tune of London Bridge is falling down falling falling down etc ) -kinda like BC eh ?

'Michael Owen is a red is a red is a red

Michael Owen is a red he hates scousers'

(simply replaces Gary Neville in the old song ) --i'l try and get a you tube on vid here for you to enjoy next :lol::lol:
here you go
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/you-decide-the-michael-owen-song-competition/
scuse the language LOL

Cant wait for the next update expected on the 15th, it will go somthing like this.Due to unforeseen warm weather since are last bulls@it, sorry i mean update we are regretably further behind our revised schedule( no shit sherlock) sorry for the inconvienence of having all your money but as you all know shit happens. Happy Christmas.

Cant wait for the next update expected on the 15th, it will go somthing like this.Due to unforeseen warm weather since are last bulls@it, sorry i mean update we are regretably further behind our revised schedule( no shit sherlock) sorry for the inconvienence of having all your money but as you all know shit happens. Happy Christmas.

:lol:

And don't forget the mandatory strapline to use Select Money to send your next payment...:banana:

Anyone know how many floors have still to go on the West tower? When is the next construction update due from Select?

top floor on west Tower is 39th. of the penthouse
:)

So now I'm still confused. One question and three different answers.

The forum title states 36 floors. SP originaly sold 40 floors but I can remember this being reduced around 06/07.

If the penthouse highest floor is level 39 and if they are now casting level 26, is there still 13 floors to be done?

Cant wait for the next update expected on the 15th, it will go somthing like this.Due to unforeseen warm weather since are last bulls@it, sorry i mean update we are regretably further behind our revised schedule( no shit sherlock) sorry for the inconvienence of having all your money but as you all know shit happens. Happy Christmas.

My guess is you will see Dec 09 change to Jan 10 for the construction of the West tower slipped in very quietly. More realistic will be Feb 10

So now I'm still confused. One question and three different answers.

The forum title states 36 floors. SP originaly sold 40 floors but I can remember this being reduced around 06/07.

If the penthouse highest floor is level 39 and if they are now casting level 26, is there still 13 floors to be done?

Well according to this http://www.selectproperty.com/pdf/West_penthouse.pdf , the west penthouses upper floor is numbered 39 (and also confirmed by someone who has bought one!:))

I'm not sure about the penthouses in Central, but think they go from floors 47 & 48 and floors 49 & 50.

Well according to this http://www.selectproperty.com/pdf/West_penthouse.pdf , the west penthouses upper floor is numbered 39 (and also confirmed by someone who has bought one!:))

I'm not sure about the penthouses in Central, but think they go from floors 47 & 48 and floors 49 & 50.

fwiw is correct pent houses on west tower are duplex occupying 38th and 39th floor. there are total of four penthouses occupying 1/4th of floor 38 and 39 each.
:cheers:

fwiw is correct pent houses on west tower are duplex occupying 38th and 39th floor. there are total of four penthouses occupying 1/4th of floor 38 and 39 each.
:cheers:

Crap, if that's the case its going to be March before it's finished. My guess is they will finally show us the show apartment in the December update and try and bury the bad news. I received a reply from Select on the 19th November telling me they were making "a few minor changes" to the show apartment and they expected it to be ready very soon...............

Well according to this http://www.selectproperty.com/pdf/West_penthouse.pdf , the west penthouses upper floor is numbered 39 (and also confirmed by someone who has bought one!:))

I'm not sure about the penthouses in Central, but think they go from floors 47 & 48 and floors 49 & 50.

Thanks, I am happy to trust this info. So the title of the thread is incorrect.

Mods, can some one please correct the title to 39F + 50F + 39F:okay:

I've dug out some old info from Select which shows originally the West tower was going to be 42 floors. However, later info they sent me with a price list shows just 36 floors with 4 penthouses on this floor.

True, same here, originally said 42 floors.
by the way, I am your neighbour in 2905 and 3005 west tower.
However,I am considering selling 2905,2bed/2 bath,anyone interested, let me know.
I am wondering if anyone is aware from actual recent sales the ongoing price /sq ft in BC west tower.
Thanks.
I am so glad I found this website.It is very informative(except for the occasional macho talk, explicit words,and middle school boys bickering:)

True, same here, originally said 42 floors.
by the way, I am your neighbour in 2905 and 3005 west tower.
However,I am considering selling 2905,2bed/2 bath,anyone interested, let me know.
I am wondering if anyone is aware from actual recent sales the ongoing price /sq ft in BC west tower.
Thanks.
I am so glad I found this website.It is very informative(except for the occasional macho talk, explicit words,and middle school boys bickering:)

Morning neighbour, the only Bay Central units I've seen for sale are on Better Homes and they seem to be mostly the Central tower not ours. This time last year, when I was cheesed off with Select I called into the Better Homes office in the JBRs and was told to forget it. I guess the nearer completion, the easier it will be to sell. I still think it will be very difficult to sell now unless you get lucky. I bought in Feb 07.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2793/4182803161_367eef1084_o.jpg

I've dug out some old info from Select which shows originally the West tower was going to be 42 floors. However, later info they sent me with a price list shows just 36 floors with 4 penthouses on this floor.

Could it be 36 residential floors or sales floors and 3 mechanical floors giving us the 39 floors in total:dunno:

Could it be 36 residential floors or sales floors and 3 mechanical floors giving us the 39 floors in total:dunno:

There are 39 residential floors. Each mechanical floor although a double only counts as one...so floor 13 and 25 are 2 floors apiece but count as one. Furthermore it sits on top of a 6 storey podium.
So effiectively if you are on floor 39 for example the reality is you are 47 from ground level at marina side and 43 from jbr side.
Hope that helps.

There are 39 residential floors. Each mechanical floor although a double only counts as one...so floor 13 and 25 are 2 floors apiece but count as one. Furthermore it sits on top of a 6 storey podium.
So effiectively if you are on floor 39 for example the reality is you are 47 from ground level at marina side and 43 from jbr side.
Hope that helps.

Ithink you are coorect. I remember getting a letter from dubai Select regarding west tower saying it is a 44 floor building . so i rang them questioning that how the penthouse is on 38/39 floor. was told they were counting the basement and podium in the 44 floors so the penthouse will be on top floor
:cheers:

For those like me on the Standard Payment Plan, I have just received the following reply from Select Property to my query about the next instalment (which was supposed to be in January 2010)

Dear Nicola,

Hope you are well,

Yes, there is further extension till July 2010,

Thank you

Zulfia

^^ great news.. thanks for the info

There are 39 residential floors. Each mechanical floor although a double only counts as one...so floor 13 and 25 are 2 floors apiece but count as one. Furthermore it sits on top of a 6 storey podium.
So effiectively if you are on floor 39 for example the reality is you are 47 from ground level at marina side and 43 from jbr side.
Hope that helps.

It does not really help. I thought I was getting somewhere and now I am further away.

Using your logic of floor 39 being 43 floors above ground on JBR road side of the building suggests the podium occupies the first 4 floors above ground floor level. The first mechanical floor is tagged 13 so counting fom this level down to street level I should get 17 but I don't. 17 floors takes me down into the basement.

The current numbering does not have a B1 level and so from the raft slab working upwards goes in this sequence;(visible in the pics)

B5,B4,B3,B2,Ground,Mezzanine,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09,10,11,12,13(first mechanical floor). I have listed them so it is easier to count.

Floor 13 is 14 levels above the Ground floor level(street level at JBR side). So floor 13 is only 1 more level above the street at JBR side and not 4 more levels as shown in your example. The podium height is therefore only 1 level which is called the mezzanine level. Had there been more than 1 podium level then they would be tagged P1,P2,P3...etc. The difference between the Road side and the marina side is only 2 levels and not 4 levels as stated in your example.

I'm not trying to be awkward or obtuse, I just think we all have completely different ideas of how many levels the structure will have and until we drill it down then I can't estimate a top out date.

I still think I am right with 39 floors consisting of 36 residential 1 mezz and 2 mechanical. There will be a floor 40 roofslab/mech slab. So with the 39 floor superstructure + ground floor plus 4 basement levels = 44 floor building mentioned by DXBGO.

Anyone can clear this up then please do.

It does not really help. I thought I was getting somewhere and now I am further away.

Using your logic of floor 39 being 43 floors above ground on JBR road side of the building suggests the podium occupies the first 4 floors above ground floor level. The first mechanical floor is tagged 13 so counting fom this level down to street level I should get 17 but I don't. 17 floors takes me down into the basement.

The current numbering does not have a B1 level and so from the raft slab working upwards goes in this sequence;(visible in the pics)

B5,B4,B3,B2,Ground,Mezzanine,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09,10,11,12,13(first mechanical floor). I have listed them so it is easier to count.

Floor 13 is 14 levels above the Ground floor level(street level at JBR side). So floor 13 is only 1 more level above the street at JBR side and not 4 more levels as shown in your example. The podium height is therefore only 1 level which is called the mezzanine level. Had there been more than 1 podium level then they would be tagged P1,P2,P3...etc. The difference between the Road side and the marina side is only 2 levels and not 4 levels as stated in your example.

I'm not trying to be awkward or obtuse, I just think we all have completely different ideas of how many levels the structure will have and until we drill it down then I can't estimate a top out date.

I still think I am right with 39 floors consisting of 36 residential 1 mezz and 2 mechanical. There will be a floor 40 roofslab/mech slab. So with the 39 floor superstructure + ground floor plus 4 basement levels = 44 floor building mentioned by DXBGO.

Anyone can clear this up then please do.

I am not good at basement mezannie etc. But was reliably told by SP then a chap called Russel hayes when i queried their comment reg 44 floors as it worried me because i have the penthouse which per contract and plans states 38th and 39th floor duplex.
I will try and dig up the e mail if i find it. But TB you are correct from what i know.

:)

For those like me on the Standard Payment Plan, I have just received the following reply from Select Property to my query about the next instalment (which was supposed to be in January 2010)

Dear Nicola,

Hope you are well,

Yes, there is further extension till July 2010,

Thank you

Zulfia

great news as beppe said . thanks for info will post when i get mine.
Beppe we wont have to go to Rera as yet
:cheers:

I am not good at basement mezannie etc. But was reliably told by SP then a chap called Russel hayes when i queried their comment reg 44 floors as it worried me because i have the penthouse which per contract and plans states 38th and 39th floor duplex.
I will try and dig up the e mail if i find it. But TB you are correct from what i know.

:)

Sorry it was Andy from SP not russel as mentioned

For those like me on the Standard Payment Plan, I have just received the following reply from Select Property to my query about the next instalment (which was supposed to be in January 2010)

Dear Nicola,

Hope you are well,

Yes, there is further extension till July 2010,

Thank you

Zulfia

Out of interest how what %tage have you paid up to now ?
And when did you start your contract ?

Out of interest how what %tage have you paid up to now ?
And when did you start your contract ?

Im on SPP and have to date paid 70% and my next payment was due 1st Jan.

What I find utterly frustrating is I was on the phone to the office and was put on hold whilst being transferred and no response. The receptionist ( very polite but informative) finally said she would get back to me and was then interrupted and I could overhear somebody telling her to tell me there was a payment extenstion.. I asked her who she was speaking to so the person could tell me directly so I could be sure, she then attempted to transfer the phone to this person, I believe the person decline to take my call and then receptionist stated that I would get a call back sometime today... no call.:bash:

Im now going to take July 2010 as next payment date and they can for a change contact me if they need my money.

LOL --Have you heard the new song on the block ????
(To the tune of London Bridge is falling down falling falling down etc ) -kinda like BC eh ?

'Michael Owen is a red is a red is a red

Michael Owen is a red he hates scousers'

(simply replaces Gary Neville in the old song ) --i'l try and get a you tube on vid here for you to enjoy next :lol::lol:
here you go
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/you-decide-the-michael-owen-song-competition/
scuse the language LOL

ManUTD with regret I decline your kind offer of me venturing onto the "satanist" link you sent me ; LOL

.. dont make me send you one in return :nuts:

Any information for people on lpp


thanks.......



Out of interest how what %tage have you paid up to now ?
And when did you start your contract ?

39 residential on top of a 6 storey podium. floor 13 and 25 double floors. it is as simple as that.

6 storey podium from marina side
1 - 24 is one beds and studio
26 - 37 is two and three beds
38 - 39 penthouses

i have actual architects floorplans of my apartments which give you these details. i got them about 8 weeks ago and they are final and as [being] built.


It does not really help. I thought I was getting somewhere and now I am further away.

Using your logic of floor 39 being 43 floors above ground on JBR road side of the building suggests the podium occupies the first 4 floors above ground floor level. The first mechanical floor is tagged 13 so counting fom this level down to street level I should get 17 but I don't. 17 floors takes me down into the basement.

The current numbering does not have a B1 level and so from the raft slab working upwards goes in this sequence;(visible in the pics)

B5,B4,B3,B2,Ground,Mezzanine,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09,10,11,12,13(first mechanical floor). I have listed them so it is easier to count.

Floor 13 is 14 levels above the Ground floor level(street level at JBR side). So floor 13 is only 1 more level above the street at JBR side and not 4 more levels as shown in your example. The podium height is therefore only 1 level which is called the mezzanine level. Had there been more than 1 podium level then they would be tagged P1,P2,P3...etc. The difference between the Road side and the marina side is only 2 levels and not 4 levels as stated in your example.

I'm not trying to be awkward or obtuse, I just think we all have completely different ideas of how many levels the structure will have and until we drill it down then I can't estimate a top out date.

I still think I am right with 39 floors consisting of 36 residential 1 mezz and 2 mechanical. There will be a floor 40 roofslab/mech slab. So with the 39 floor superstructure + ground floor plus 4 basement levels = 44 floor building mentioned by DXBGO.

Anyone can clear this up then please do.

39 residential on top of a 6 storey podium. floor 13 and 25 double floors. it is as simple as that.

6 storey podium from marina side
1 - 24 is one beds and studio
26 - 37 is two and three beds
38 - 39 penthouses

i have actual architects floorplans of my apartments which give you these details. i got them about 8 weeks ago and they are final and as [being] built.

^^Wrong!!

It's apparently not simple enough. I am right and you are wrong, there is no 6 storey podium on the marina side, that must just be a story you made up:lol:

Podium on marina side is B3, B2, Ground and Mezzanine which is only 4 floors. The other info regarding apartment types is irrelevant.

^^Wrong!!

It's apparently not simple enough. I am right and you are wrong, there is no 6 storey podium on the marina side, that must just be a story you made up:lol:

Podium on marina side is B3, B2, Ground and Mezzanine which is only 4 floors. The other info regarding apartment types is irrelevant.

I have confirmation from Select today that the West tower is 39 residential floors. Penthouses and duplexes on 38th and 39th floors. Obviously no chance for superstructure completion by end of December. Must surely be put back to end of March now. I'm told that our updates will be out tomorrow and that I will be impressed by the progress made.......

^^Wrong!!

It's apparently not simple enough. I am right and you are wrong, there is no 6 storey podium on the marina side, that must just be a story you made up:lol:

Podium on marina side is B3, B2, Ground and Mezzanine which is only 4 floors. The other info regarding apartment types is irrelevant.

Aye very good...the patters great on here. Who said there's no banter?

b5,b4,b3,b2,g,m = 6...so someone on residential floor 39 is actually 47 floors up...13 and 25 are double...surely...

http://i34.tinypic.com/1zdm3km.jpg


PS - Going to Dubai on Tuesday so will try and get some photos and a video with Sean Connery narrating.
Anybody else there?

Aye very good...the patters great on here. Who said there's no banter?

b5,b4,b3,b2,g,m = 6...so someone on residential floor 39 is actually 47 floors up...13 and 25 are double...surely...

http://i34.tinypic.com/1zdm3km.jpg


PS - Going to Dubai on Tuesday so will try and get some photos and a video with Sean Connery narrating.
Anybody else there?

lucky man. i am there Feb March and April. will keep posting pics each time.
have a good Xmas
:cheers:

update arrived

Just received the latest construction update. As expected, completion of superstructure is now listed as March 2010 which has moved from December 09. Nothing is mentioned about this in the update which is strange. However, we shouldn't worry as the overall completion date is still December 2010. How naive do they think we are? The show apartment is finally ready!!!!!!But.......we have to wait until the next update for pics!

I have confirmation from Select today that the West tower is 39 residential floors. Penthouses and duplexes on 38th and 39th floors. Obviously no chance for superstructure completion by end of December. Must surely be put back to end of March now. I'm told that our updates will be out tomorrow and that I will be impressed by the progress made.......

small correction penthouses are duplexes. there are 4 penthouses in West Tower. they occupy floor 38th and 39th each penthouse is a duplex.
:cheers:

Aye very good...the patters great on here. Who said there's no banter?

b5,b4,b3,b2,g,m = 6...so someone on residential floor 39 is actually 47 floors up...13 and 25 are double...surely...



I,m going to be quite blunt here. You haven't a clue what you are talking about.
Has it not occured to you that the basement part of the building is actualy underground?

As you previously qualified your argument by stating height above ground "on the marina side" and not the road ride, I gave you some credit for the podium being 4 floors and not just the 1. B5 and B4 are below the ground level and will be buried some day.

As for the statement that someone on residential floor 39 is actually 47 floor up is just plain stupid. I am just as stupid even trying to explain the obvious to you, who appears to have a basic problem with arithmatic.

When you are out in Dubai ask your skyscraper friends to explain the difference between Basement and Podium. Also ask them to explain why, when you are counting how many floors you have still to cast, why do you not count imaginery floors.:nuts:

small correction penthouses are duplexes. there are 4 penthouses in West Tower. they occupy floor 38th and 39th each penthouse is a duplex.
:cheers:

:nuts:I'm quoting Select directly this afternoon, they told me Penthouses AND duplexes on 38th and 39th floor. Surely you don't think Select don't know what they are talking about??

:nuts:I'm quoting Select directly this afternoon, they told me Penthouses AND duplexes on 38th and 39th floor. Surely you don't think Select don't know what they are talking about??
I have a Penthouse in West Tower. It is a duplex. occupying 38th and 39th floor. 38th floor is bedroom area and 39th floor is living area with lounge study dinning etc. :bash:

http://i50.tinypic.com/30ws855.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/nyeiaw.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/zvejgk.jpg

As per my previous post, I am on SPP and was supposed to pay 20% of my studio flat (W - 911) on Jan 1, 2010 (I have paid 70% so far) but that was postponed to Jul 1, 2010. It took me only one email to have a reply from Select Property (last time it took me about 4 emails over the course of a month).

Hope this helps.

I have a Penthouse in West Tower. It is a duplex. occupying 38th and 39th floor. 38th floor is bedroom area and 39th floor is living area with lounge study dinning etc. :bash:

Sounds great, I'll bring the beers up!

Sounds great, I'll bring the beers up!

will hold you to it. I will provide food and fantastic views.
Hopefully by mid 2011. cant see them completing before that.
:cheers:

Thanks for posting the update PS500.

It just does not make sense to aknowledge that the original milestones are severely delayed and not revise the completion date. Another thing that makes my blood boil is that they have all the information available to them but refuse to be open with everyone as to what the real state of play is.

Look at how much more accurate I was with my assesment made way back in September 2007 without the benefit of any inside info;



Shore piles around 90% complete but that has taken 5 months. Progress on average 4 piles per day which is much less that the 20 piles per day quoted earlier by DS. Shoring should be complete mid October when they should move onto the bearing piles.

I estimate bearing piles complete Jan 08 then they start reduced level excavation and trimming piles to the cut off level. On this basis the structure could be visible above ground around Dec 08. We are then looking at topped out by mid 2010. It normally takes a further year to fit out and finish inside and outside so mid 2011 looks on the cards.

BTW mid 2011 does not look on the cards as I review things in December 2009.

Thanks for posting the update PS500.

It just does not make sense to aknowledge that the original milestones are severely delayed and not revise the completion date. Another thing that makes my blood boil is that they have all the information available to them but refuse to be open with everyone as to what the real state of play is.

Look at how much more accurate I was with my assesment made way back in September 2007 without the benefit of any inside info;



BTW mid 2011 does not look on the cards as I review things in December 2009.

That's why I and many others on this thread appreciate your thoughts on this TB.

I am still sticking to my Aug 2011 move in date.

I still cannot see how they will allow us to move in whilst the hotel tower is still topping out. There is no way the authorities will allow that to happen.

They have tried to shoehorn the milestones in to try and avoid the compensation period. They will probably claim FM when the authorities tell them that residents can't move in wearing hard hats.:bash:

Thanks for posting the update PS500.

It just does not make sense to aknowledge that the original milestones are severely delayed and not revise the completion date. Another thing that makes my blood boil is that they have all the information available to them but refuse to be open with everyone as to what the real state of play is.

Look at how much more accurate I was with my assesment made way back in September 2007 without the benefit of any inside info;



BTW mid 2011 does not look on the cards as I review things in December 2009.

Hi TB, must admit I feel the same. If you look at the August update it clearly states Dec 09 for superstructure completion. Now the months have been re-jigged to show March 10 without this being mentioned in the "good news only" update. Yes, significant progress has been made I agree. 10 floors in 2 months isnt bad at all. Problem is theres 11 to go so it has to move into March or very late Feb before completion. I was and I quote "assured" yesterday that completion of the West tower will still be Dec 10.
What amazes me is that we are all delayed by at least 1 year and rightly cheesed off. How must Marriot feel with the 2 year delay? I'm sure they must be in-line for a booty full of compo otherwise, surely you would look elsewhere for your Renaissance hotel.....

will hold you to it. I will provide food and fantastic views.
Hopefully by mid 2011. cant see them completing before that.
:cheers:

I hope you're wrong, would hate to wait another 18 months. The beer could go flat!:cheers:
I'm hoping Feb 11 at the latest and our compensation will pay for the beers........

I hope you're wrong, would hate to wait another 18 months. The beer could go flat!:cheers:
I'm hoping Feb 11 at the latest and our compensation will pay for the beers........

I would dearly love to be wrong. still not decided what i am going to do with . But my wife wants to furnish it have a couple of parties in it then perhaps rent it.
:cheers:

I hope you're wrong, would hate to wait another 18 months. The beer could go flat!:cheers:
I'm hoping Feb 11 at the latest and our compensation will pay for the beers........

Feb 2011 maybe for The Torch and thats a big maybe. Def not here.

As per my previous post, I am on SPP and was supposed to pay 20% of my studio flat (W - 911) on Jan 1, 2010 (I have paid 70% so far) but that was postponed to Jul 1, 2010. It took me only one email to have a reply from Select Property (last time it took me about 4 emails over the course of a month).

Hope this helps.Thanks i have paid 50% and at this rate thats plenty until July 2010

I would dearly love to be wrong. still not decided what i am going to do with . But my wife wants to furnish it have a couple of parties in it then perhaps rent it.
:cheers:

Can it be a Bay Central Tower(s) Warming party? :dance:

Plus what better way to put faces to all the forumn users not to mention getting to know the neighbours? :grouphug:

:lol:

Here are the dates I am guestimating for the central tower with Select's dates;

Element....................True Blue .......................Select
Basement (B5-B2) => April 2010...............----.....Complete (my sainted rrrs)
Podium (G + M)... => June 2010 ..............----.......March 2010
Structure top out => Oct 2010 ...............----.......March 2010
Building Sealed ===> June 2011...............----.......August 2010
Power On =======> Dec 2011................----.......August 2010

Let's see who gets closest:)

Dates for West tower are pointless as this is not on the project critical path.

Something else to ponder when you are doing your own handover estimates.

Park Island is a similar type multi tower development on a similar sized and shaped plot.
Apartment floors = 104.
Total number of apartments = 556.


Bay Central;
Apartment floors = 90 + 40 for Hotel
Total number of apartments = 776 + what ever amount of hotel suites.

So although BC has only 3 towers, it has a bigger work content than Park Island. Park Island has taken 38 months to get from the casting of the raft to handover using the same contractor DCE.

Here are the dates I am guestimating for the central tower with Select's dates;

Element....................True Blue .......................Select
Basement (B5-B2) => April 2010...............----.....Complete (my sainted rrrs)
Podium (G + M)... => June 2010 ..............----.......March 2010
Structure top out => Oct 2010 ...............----.......March 2010
Building Sealed ===> June 2011...............----.......August 2010
Power On =======> Dec 2011................----.......August 2010

Let's see who gets closest:)

Dates for West tower are pointless as this is not on the project critical path.

somewhere between the two I think as can start sealing well before top out but clearly Select timings are way too optimistic now

So although BC has only 3 towers, it has a bigger work content than Park Island. Park Island has taken 38 months to get from the casting of the raft to handover using the same contractor DCE.


Botanica already rising , the top part of the core visible from the road, GCC has good progress there , they can do the handover before the Bay Central.

They have done fast job at the JLT (Mazaya Business Avenue) 3*50 floors.

16 months and 150 floors

29/Aug/2008

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10/December/2009

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What do you think True Blue ?:)

Can it be a Bay Central Tower(s) Warming party? :dance:

Plus what better way to put faces to all the forumn users not to mention getting to know the neighbours? :grouphug:

:lol:

Yes sounds like a brilliant idea. just have to wait for handover.
:cheers:

Botanica already rising , the top part of the core visible from the road, GCC has good progress there , they can do the handover before the Bay Central.

They have done fast job at the JLT (Mazaya Business Avenue) 3*50 floors.

16 months and 150 floors

What do you think True Blue ?:)

Yeah, I remember wondering where those towers suddenly came from. The balance of activity is good on site. Many different operations all going on together, not just stop one and start another.

I have already alluded to the fact that Botanica could be the saviour of Select, the choice not to use DCE was a well informed one.

I wonder who informed them.:D

18/December/2009

Bay Central

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somewhere between the two I think as can start sealing well before top out but clearly Select timings are way too optimistic now

You are just living in hope.They can start the cladding well before, but fact is it has not started.

The big secret is the power on. DEWA adopt the British Standards as their working practices. DEWA will run cables into the building and distribute them to all the individual apartments terminating them at the consumer units of the apartments. They will not do this work if the second fix electrics to the apartment have not been completed and tested. Hence power up is done very late in the process and the apartment has to be pretty much completed first.

So if I know this, then surely the developer is well aware of this and if so why are they quoting Power on next August? You want to know why, simple! When it does not happen next August they will shout FM from the roof tops and blame someone else for the delays being down to late DEWA.

from last week one extra floor on central tower

Can it be a Bay Central Tower(s) Warming party? :dance:

Plus what better way to put faces to all the forumn users not to mention getting to know the neighbours? :grouphug:

:lol:

Sounds like a plan! :banana:

Great photos Imre. Any idea when we will get any photos/video of the show flat?

thks

Ianthy

can any resident gate crash this party if so i will start warming up now

can any resident gate crash this party if so i will start warming up now

bring food and bottle . yes all owners . should be good
see you when we get keys.
:cheers:

bring food and bottle . yes all owners . should be good
see you when we get keys.
:cheers:

Are the Cayanners invited?

I’ll bring champagne. :hug:

Are the Cayanners invited?

I’ll bring champagne. :hug:

Jeetha you are definitely invited.We can start with happy hour in yatch club and stagger down to BC after.
FWIW has not commented. have a good Xmas and prosperous 2010.
:cheers:

Jeetha you are definitely invited.We can start with happy hour in yatch club and stagger down to BC after.
FWIW has not commented. have a good Xmas and prosperous 2010.
:cheers:

Happy xmas everyone and prosperous new year!

I will defo be going to DxbGo's penthouse party...but I think we may need to be going to the Silverene one first! :banana:

Happy xmas everyone and prosperous new year!

I will defo be going to DxbGo's penthouse party...but I think we may need to be going to the Silverene one first! :banana:

Wont have a party without you FWIW.
seasons greetings to everyone.
:cheers:

Updated google maps BC from above

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Happy xmas everyone and prosperous new year!

I will defo be going to DxbGo's penthouse party...but I think we may need to be going to the Silverene one first! :banana:

A very Merry Christmas to everyone and a very Happy prosperous New Year 2010

Thankyou to everyone for the invaluable input and sharing of information- its greatly appreciated.

.. may this time next year we re all that much more closer to having a tipple to celebrate the receiving of our keys to our apartments at the House Party at DXbo :)

:drunk:

A very Merry Christmas to everyone and a very Happy prosperous New Year 2010

Thankyou to everyone for the invaluable input and sharing of information- its greatly appreciated.

.. may this time next year we re all that much more closer to having a tipple to celebrate the receiving of our keys to our apartments at the House Party at DXbo :)

:drunk:

I'll drink to that, cheers to everybody :cheers:

:cheers:MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!:cheers:

The first time in a few years that I have not spent christmas in Dubai and boy what a year to stay at home. The scenery is straight off the xmas cards with 6" snow cover everywhere, -15C overnight and -3C during the sunny days. SUPERB!

Best get to bed early or santa might not come.:)

Hi
progress good. post photos in a few days...everyone should be here at this time of year....it is great...newspaper stories are rubbish.

Speak soon
Mark

Hi
progress good. post photos in a few days...everyone should be here at this time of year....it is great...newspaper stories are rubbish.

Speak soon
Mark

Mark --is there some moritorium from SG on chasing monies on Bay Central ?
-- no bodys chasing mine at present ?
What floor is Central on ?

Mark --is there some moritorium from SG on chasing monies on Bay Central ?
-- no bodys chasing mine at present ?
What floor is Central on ?
They allow you to default then sent a letter out giving 30 days to pay. That way you are breaching the contract and effectively nullifying any "rights" you had under it.
When I left west was on 28 and central on 25.
The place was buzzing the whole time we were there.

They allow you to default then sent a letter out giving 30 days to pay. That way you are breaching the contract and effectively nullifying any "rights" you had under it.
When I left west was on 28 and central on 25.
The place was buzzing the whole time we were there.

Not that we have many rights anyway - Found that out at The Point already

When we were over at EID the place was packed out everywhere -lets hope the whole thing recovers but unfortunately the real estate job is shot i think

Not that we have many rights anyway - Found that out at The Point already

When we were over at EID the place was packed out everywhere -lets hope the whole thing recovers but unfortunately the real estate job is shot i think

From one Man Utd to another, bloody frustrating game tonight! Anyway, we're playing pants with half a team and still only 2 points of Chelsea, what a strange season. Down to business, waterfront living anywhere in the world, be it London, Hong Kong, Sydney, New York commands a premium. To my knowledge, the only place in the world that's not crashed with property is Hong Kong. Things will recover as we all bought in Dubai over a couple of years ago. I believe it will take 2 years min to get back to some normality. Liquidity has to enter all the markets again and this has not happened yet anywhere in the World. We have to remember that the Marina will be a premium area in the region and the World to live and it will command a premium again. It's a cycle, its a matter of selling at the right time and 2010 will not be the right time. There's nothing we can do but ride out the storm and profit from it in the next couple of years. Property is like the stock market........

From one Man Utd to another, bloody frustrating game tonight! Anyway, we're playing pants with half a team and still only 2 points of Chelsea, what a strange season. Down to business, waterfront living anywhere in the world, be it London, Hong Kong, Sydney, New York commands a premium. To my knowledge, the only place in the world that's not crashed with property is Hong Kong. Things will recover as we all bought in Dubai over a couple of years ago. I believe it will take 2 years min to get back to some normality. Liquidity has to enter all the markets again and this has not happened yet anywhere in the World. We have to remember that the Marina will be a premium area in the region and the World to live and it will command a premium again. It's a cycle, its a matter of selling at the right time and 2010 will not be the right time. There's nothing we can do but ride out the storm and profit from it in the next couple of years. Property is like the stock market........

Lets hope youre right -- just a bit worried about where all the punters are going to come from to rent these units -- we will see --
Dubai inc needto atract more tourists by lowering prices and sort out those crazy residency rules sort those two ourt proerty will recover

Good win in the end though !! Rooooney ROOONEY !!