Did the last milestone update show the East Tower as Waiting approval?

Comparing the last two updates it shows completion of hotel moved back to July 2012...then the operator needs to fit it out which takes around another 8 to 12 months.

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So in december 09 they publish that the east tower approval was due a month earlier, today they publish approval is "on going" Surely one would of arranged approval prior to selling the site as such. TB its your field, can they do this?

I think the sites are sold with permission attached per the mater developers plan. So I expect the site would have permission for a 40 floor tower but don't think they ever had permission for an hotel. They probably expected to obtain that as a matter of course. Without permission I can't see funding being released for a speculative build.

Nice extractor BTW,:)

Comparing the last two updates it shows completion of hotel moved back to July 2012...then the operator needs to fit it out which takes around another 8 to 12 months.



Which takes us closer to my prediction of development complete Sept 2013:)

Bit of a joke to move out the hotel date but not the 2 residential towers. Complete end of this year, more chance of me playing for Scotland tonight.

Finish certainly looks a bit better,polished inlaid floors and wall hung sanitryware. Did the last milestone update show the East Tower as Waiting approval?

I know that they chose the bathroom to fit the marble floor as it's the smallest room in the apartment, whereas C**an fit marble to the living/dining and halls cos it looks better and is more practical. I marbled my bathroom floor in my last house with a stunning green and white marble and beige marble walls:laugh:. Looked great but try walking on it when you come out the bath or shower without breaking your neck. Marble floors and wet feet, not a good mix.

I think the sites are sold with permission attached per the mater developers plan. So I expect the site would have permission for a 40 floor tower but don't think they ever had permission for an hotel. They probably expected to obtain that as a matter of course. Without permission I can't see funding being released for a speculative build.

Nice extractor BTW,:)

They have permission for an hotel and the financing.

They are waiting approval for new design as i have said many times. Hotel moved from central to east at operators request as central was too big...then they - operator - changed design too.

Not permission for an hotel as you state.

I can also tell you that it is not as difficult as you think to achieve things in Dubai if you know the right people and have the correct sponsor. People i know could get him the license if he struggled...which i doubt.

Rahail is connected and knows how it works. Bear in mind he is the brains behind everything in SG and all the connected companies...we are the daft sad people with nothing better to do other than write about him and his many developements.

Finish certainly looks a bit better,polished inlaid floors and wall hung sanitryware. Did the last milestone update show the East Tower as Waiting approval?

Hi CBP, yes the last update stated the same, waiting for approval from November. Construction of the towers has been pushed back 3 months to June but overall completion remains the same for December........nobody's listening, it's just not possible to push back everything apart from completion. Good to see Select management are going to take a close look at the new milestones. I expect we will all receive a letter, especially central tower owners with a more realistic overall completion date.

Mark come on, how well connected and smart can he be, 7 years in the making here and 6 at the torch. You are correct with one thing, some are daft as you put it putting their hard earned folding in these 2 for so long.

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Is this Baghdad?

^^:lol:

These are the pictures Select would rather you didn't see where it is obvious that only the front section of the podium is being constructed and the rear, including the basement is completely missing.

Not to worry the update confirms finished Dec 2010. Mind you the February update was issued in March, nuff said;)

funny construction site i must say ! is like build and don't look behind ! :lol:

Which floor and apartment type has been used as show apartment?
Not luxury finishing but acceptable for sure and nice external cladding too with a stylish deep blue.
However severe delays are still in place following the last update, I reckon no many people will be keen to live within a construction site so long.
I' m really interested to understand how SG will address the access issue to west and central tower residents when part of podium and hotel tower will be still involved in the construction stage.
We will all obtain from SP, as a nice gift for our outstanding patience, a nice yellow hard hat.:hammer:

How did you guys miss this in the update on page 1 !!!!

"The management of Select Group are currently carrying out a more detailed assessment of progress on the whole of Bay Central development to assess the impact of the changes in milestone dates on the overall completion of handover."

Here come the second official delay and the force majeure claim.

a bunch of bullshit Select is throwing at us in the progress of basement and podium work!

this will be their access point, the future green area between Marina Quays and BC, shown partially in the picture on the left.


I' m really interested to understand how SG will address the access issue to west and central tower residents when part of podium and hotel tower will be still involved in the construction stage.


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^^
When was the Earthquake?

if there gonna file Force Majeure, then they wont be getting any more payments from ssp people for another year

....

Not sure why you're all getting wound up about SG dodging FM payments. The contract only states that FM will be paid for a 12 month period anyway so if SG were to pay up it would only be a fairly minimal amount and not worth worrying about IMO.

How did you guys miss this in the update on page 1 !!!!

"The management of Select Group are currently carrying out a more detailed assessment of progress on the whole of Bay Central development to assess the impact of the changes in milestone dates on the overall completion of handover."

Here come the second delay and the force majeure claim.

a bunch of bullshit Select is throwing at us in the basement and podium work!

It's clear the detailed assessment should show that it's impossible to keep pushing back construction milestones and then keeping the proposed handover in December unchanged. I also thought I'd look up force majeure, I already knew my interpretation of it, it seems googles interpretation is the same. Wonder what SG interpretation of it will be......

Force majeure (French for "superior force"), also known as cas fortuit (French) or casus fortuitus (Latin)[1], is a common clause in contracts which essentially frees both parties from liability or obligation when an extraordinary event or circumstance beyond the control of the parties, such as a war, strike, riot, crime, or an event described by the legal term "act of God" (e.g., flooding, earthquake, volcanic eruption), prevents one or both parties from fulfilling their obligations under the contract. However, force majeure is not intended to excuse negligence or other malfeasance of a party, as where non-performance is caused by the usual and natural consequences of external forces (e.g., predicted rain stops an outdoor event), or where the intervening circumstances are specifically contemplated.

£15 per day for a three bed in The Point following the delay, that wont pay the school fees.

How did you guys miss this in the update on page 1 !!!!

"The management of Select Group are currently carrying out a more detailed assessment of progress on the whole of Bay Central development to assess the impact of the changes in milestone dates on the overall completion of handover."

Here come the second official delay and the force majeure claim.

a bunch of bullshit Select is throwing at us in the progress of basement and podium work!


^^The full text from the update hasn't been posted yet.

It's clear the detailed assessment should show that it's impossible to keep pushing back construction milestones and then keeping the proposed handover in December unchanged. I also thought I'd look up force majeure, I already knew my interpretation of it, it seems googles interpretation is the same. Wonder what SG interpretation of it will be......

Force majeure (French for "superior force"), also known as cas fortuit (French) or casus fortuitus (Latin)[1], is a common clause in contracts which essentially frees both parties from liability or obligation when an extraordinary event or circumstance beyond the control of the parties, such as a war, strike, riot, crime, or an event described by the legal term "act of God" (e.g., flooding, earthquake, volcanic eruption), prevents one or both parties from fulfilling their obligations under the contract. However, force majeure is not intended to excuse negligence or other malfeasance of a party, as where non-performance is caused by the usual and natural consequences of external forces (e.g., predicted rain stops an outdoor event), or where the intervening circumstances are specifically contemplated.

I believe the SP have defined Force Majeure as any circumstances where the contractor is entitled to an extension of time. As I mentioned in the Torch thread, this is taking a commonly used and defined contractual/legal term and redefining it to suit or protect themselves. Any normal court would throw this out as the Law is treated as sacrosanct and attempts at redefining commonly used phrases or terms is scorned upon by Judges.

"force majeure is not intended to excuse negligence or other malfeasance of a party, as where non-performance is caused by the usual and natural consequences of external forces"

Exactly what they are trying to do.

I believe the SP have defined Force Majeure as any circumstances where the contractor is entitled to an extension of time. As I mentioned in the Torch thread, this is taking a commonly used and defined contractual/legal term and redefining it to suit or protect themselves. Any normal court would throw this out as the Law is treated as sacrosanct and attempts at redefining commonly used phrases or terms is scorned upon by Judges.

"force majeure is not intended to excuse negligence or other malfeasance of a party, as where non-performance is caused by the usual and natural consequences of external forces"

Exactly what they are trying to do.

The problem is that as investors we agreed to the SP/SG definition and not the google one. The SP/SG one had the definition of FM as anything that the developer deems to be FM and not limited to acts of god, etc, etc.

I haven't got the SPA to hand, but that is the jist of it.

it doesn't matter if we agreed to it or not, courts usually through out many clauses in signed contracts if they feel that they violate well agreed upon definitions and/or abuse patented legal phrases like the case in Select's definition of force majeure.

the principle here is that the integrity of the law trumps signed contracts. TB is right here, Select's definition of force majeure can be easily thrown out by the courts in dubai.

The problem is that as investors we agreed to the SP/SG definition and not the google one. The SP/SG one had the definition of FM as anything that the developer deems to be FM and not limited to acts of god, etc, etc.

I haven't got the SPA to hand, but that is the jist of it.

Not sure why you're all getting wound up about SG dodging FM payments. The contract only states that FM will be paid for a maximum 12 month period anyway so if SG were to pay up it would only be a fairly minimal amount and not worth worrying about IMO.

^^The full text from the update hasn't been posted yet.

TB this is the missing front page
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Thanks,

No more significant progress, instead everything is moving well:)

Thanks,

No more significant progress, instead everything is moving well:)

I miss significant progress........

Anyone play spot the difference with the pics of the kitchen & bathroom from the show apt to the ones Select advertised in their brochure?!?! ... :hm:

And no browny points for those who shout up first saying the pics in brochure are suppose to depict the penthouse suite(s).. cos when I was buying they didnt say that out aloud! :smug:

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^^Look along the tiles...anyone noticed the bent bidet? :ohno: Not great workmanship for a show apartment thats taken time to come online. Rest of the apartment looks great though. Also found it strange that the cooker's been placed in a corner at the end of the worktop.

Careful planning.

It took 6 months to get that bidet to sit off level like that. It's a safety feature, if it overflows when the tap is on with your speedos left in the bidet, the water spills into the drain and not all over the marble floor.

Careful planning.

It took 6 months to get that bidet to sit off level like that. It's a safety feature, if it overflows when the tap is on with your speedos left in the bidet, the water spills into the drain and not all over the marble floor.

Force Majeure!!

Where is this good finishing, that everyone is talking about? Have you really spent time to look closely? This is the show apartment and it should be as good as it gets. :dunno:

Cut em a bit of slack here, check the bathroom accessories! Worst kitchen layout possible. Ask your wives if the oven is user friendly with no work surface to the right. As far as workmanship goes there is only 1 standard:puke: obtained by DCE.

Where is this good finishing, that everyone is talking about? Have you really spent time to look closely? This is the show apartment and it should be as good as it gets. :dunno:

It is almost identical to my appt in the Point. Same worktop, tiles & sanitary ware. Job lot again, poor quality finish, but not unexpected. Snagging on my appt still not finished and probably never will be.

I think they have made significant progress with the appliances and fixtures compared to the other developments handed over so far.

Shit, I just used one of their signature phrases:bash:

the subway tile in the kitchen and bath is horrendous!!

^^How can you say that, they are the choice of the biggest restaurant franchise in the world for their bathrooms, McDonalds.

Anyway for as little as £200 you can transform an ordinary guest wc/shower like mine in Jewels, using beautiful travertine marble.

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You sir (BIZZYBONITA) are appointed to moderate here NOT sit back and mess with, and BULLY members.



You have done this repeatedly with myself,despite my contribution to the D.Sc. threads and other since 2007..

My contribution to DSc is less because of your single handed ,sick minded bulling attitude imo!

take a look at your pointless tirade against me since the turn of the year below

I have repeatedly asked you and atlind, for your help for improvements to the Mess ,which your lack of "moderation" has led too in the first place on the DSc threads....


I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG TO DESERVE THIS !!!!!!


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Bizzybonita your are one sick human being..

Whats is a bidet ?

You need to watch Crocodile Dundee film to find out :cheers:

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^^:applause:

I have received some information regarding the point I was making about the missuse of "force majeure". This is in fact a standard legal phrase and cannot be reassigned a different legal meaning within a contract.

A full list of standard legal phrases and their meanings can be found here http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/files/legalguide.pdf

Lawyers definition;

Force majeure clauses are designed to mitigate the affect of the doctrine of frustration. Such clauses seek to excuse performance of parties where some intervening event which is outside the control of the contracting parties takes place.

The requirement for performance is usually postponed or suspended for a limited period of time, and may require notice in order to rely on the contractual clause.

Properly drafted force majeure clauses should specify the events contemplated by the parties that will excuse delay of performance, as the general law will only excluse delay where the contract has become impossible to perform or there is some supervening illegality.

Acts of terrorism, power failures or industrial action may amount to a force majeure event.



If SP feel they have sufficient grounds for claiming force majeure then they should have served notice claiming the event and the cause. Failure to submit prompt notices may exclude them from relying on them in the future.

SP, You have the right to remain silent, however..............................;)

I have received some information regarding the point I was making about the missuse of "force majeure". This is in fact a standard legal phrase and cannot be reassigned a different legal meaning within a contract.

A full list of standard legal phrases and their meanings can be found here http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/files/legalguide.pdf

Lawyers definition;



If SP feel they have sufficient grounds for claiming force majeure then they should have served notice claiming the event and the cause. Failure to submit prompt notices may exclude them from relying on them in the future.

SP, You have the right to remain silent, however..............................;)

Couldn't agree more!

^^How can you say that, they are the choice of the biggest restaurant franchise in the world for their bathrooms, McDonalds.

Anyway for as little as £200 you can transform an ordinary guest wc/shower like mine in Jewels, using beautiful travertine marble.

Before;
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Its looks like when we finally get our apts that I will be in the dire need of using your contacts TB to brush up (thats putting it lightly) the entire apt to the minimum standard I was quite naively expecting when signing on the dotted line ... and nice tiles by the way!

The show apt is everything but a show... the position of the cooker is crackers amongst afew other things and I suspect this is only a snippet of things to come ... great ..

It is almost identical to my appt in the Point. Same worktop, tiles & sanitary ware. Job lot again, poor quality finish, but not unexpected. Snagging on my appt still not finished and probably never will be.

Bay Central boasted to have " ... exclusive, striking development a choice of studios, 1, 2, 3 and 4 bedroom properties, each designed to the highest specification ..... all of which are fully serviced by the Internationally renowned 5 star hotel."

... fast forward a few years and its ... wait for the drum roll = NIL POINTS (in my best french accent) for both ....

Bathrooms look pretty good to me in Dubai quality terms. Much better than those installed at the Jewels for example! Although TB's £200 upgrade does look good. In my opinion quality here is not an issue at all, the missing building is the problem. No one will want to rent here if they are working on the podium and building the 3rd tower in a couple of years time. No point in countering any force majeure unless you intend to take Select to court in Dubai which I doubt many are interested in.

Where is this good finishing, that everyone is talking about? Have you really spent time to look closely? This is the show apartment and it should be as good as it gets. :dunno:

I have to agree here.

If you look closely at the marble flooring the jointing is just awful. The mitres don’t match. The basin upstand looks like it has a 10mm joint on it. Same 6" x 6" tiles as The Torch and The Point. Same kitchen units. Same dark doors as TT & TP, same wardrobes as TT, Same chromeware in the bathrooms as TT.

I dont think it matters how nice the materials are if they are fitted by labourers and not tradesmen so ultimately it is a DCE finish here too not the 5* star luxury people have paid extra for. Having seen inside the Torch, in my opinion quality is broadly the same average for Dubai.

Back in 2007 I was tossing the odds between investing in The Torch or Bay Central. The Torch was offered to me around Dh 1,000 psf and Bay Central at around Dh 1,200 psf. I just couldn’t see a potential hotel being worth a 20% premium. The Torch has a hotel probably closer to it (Harbour Marriot), than West tower might have one. But the Torch wont be charged higher service charges to subsidise a hotels running costs either. The Torch should handover 2 years before the full Bay Central project completes.

Really nice coving though, and the light fittings look pretty too

I do agree with you on the bad DCE workmanship here. The materials are decent enough though.
Good enough for rentals but apartments are smaller than the torch.

Is it my eyes or has the cooker hob not been installed yet ?? Looks to be a hole and it's not fitted yet. Wonder whether it's going to have the same cheap 3 ring unit they used at The Point ??

Worst kitchen layout possible. Ask your wives if the oven is user friendly with no work surface to the right.

In the UK I think it is against all building/safety regs to have a cooking surface less than 150mm away from a wall or cabinet?

Anyway I agree Kitchen layout here is poor. Is the showflat a 1,2,3 bed ?

Is it my eyes or has the cooker hob not been installed yet ?? Looks to be a hole and it's not fitted yet. Wonder whether it's going to have the same cheap 3 ring unit they used at The Point ??

The oven is the same as the point one, so probably the cooker hob will also be although they have upgraded to a silver cooker hood :lol:

In the UK I think it is against all building/safety regs to have a cooking surface less than 150mm away from a wall or cabinet?

Anyway I agree Kitchen layout here is poor. Is the showflat a 1,2,3 bed ?

It's either a studio or a 1 bed

Is it my eyes or has the cooker hob not been installed yet ?? Looks to be a hole and it's not fitted yet. Wonder whether it's going to have the same cheap 3 ring unit they used at The Point ??

That's what I though, no hob and an oven in a corner????

In my opinion quality here is not an issue at all, the missing building is the problem. No one will want to rent here if they are working on the podium and building the 3rd tower in a couple of years time.

I agree 100%

This is my main concern for sure!

That's what I though, no hob and an oven in a corner????

can we see pics of oven and hobs as the are a good pointer to the finish especially the cooker hood!
why just pics of toilets (oh sorry bedet :nuts:)
:cheers:

Is it my eyes or has the cooker hob not been installed yet ?? Looks to be a hole and it's not fitted yet. Wonder whether it's going to have the same cheap 3 ring unit they used at The Point ??

Its you eyes, its installed. Look at the 2nd picture it shows it with the lights on. Its a very slim stainless job. For the record here in the uk you need min 300mm worktop either side of an oven to place hot items on. Architects/designers here have not got a clue. DCE have had a nightmare with back to wall pans with concealed cistens. Dread to think how their attempts to correctly install wall hung which are a nightmare even if you got half a clue. Back in town next week will do a picture update. Must get me DCE overalls and boot polish out the closet!

Anyway I agree Kitchen layout here is poor. Is the showflat a 1,2,3 bed ?[/QUOTE]

If someone posts a west tower floorplan I will mark the showflat.

it has got to be a 1 bed as both the middle units i thought were one beds

It is a one bed type 03
it has a 4 ring hob and oven.
Kitchen is bad layout and far to big for apt as it takes up 2 thirds of available floorspace.

I thought we would have heard from Slowhand about the amazing quality now that the show apt pics are out. He's probably trying hunt down his Select secret source - the guy who gave it to him on good authority that BC interiors would be significantly better quality than TP and TT.

Guess what Slowhand............ ? I don't even need to say it do I Slowhand I - you know don't you!! They lied!!

No gloating here mate - but I did tell you that it would be standard DCE!!

Any comments Mr slowhand ???

It appears you've been used & manipulated by SG/SP spin doctors ,,5 star finish my "arse" ???

I agree 100%

This is my main concern for sure!

I agree with this. This is the key issue.

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Show apart is one bed type B APART 504.
The actual kitchen is physically 1.5m out from where it is in the above render, taking up far too much of the living area. There is NO need for the kitchen to be this large in an apartment this size.

I think everyone should be emailing Select Property and Select Group with all their concerns.
premierproperty@selectproperty.com
ccdxb@select-group.ae.

My concerns are...

Standard of finishes sold by Select Property and Standard supplied by Select Group. SP cannot plead ignorance anymore as they have access to photos and finishes. There website still sells the 5* luxury with the fanatstic renders. They are still mis-selling as they can have no excuse now. They also have inside information to time lines and still say project will be complete in December.

Time until full project is finished. I bought in a three tower developement and so far there are only two towers. I am confident we will have three towers, one of which will be the Rennaiasance, however i am worried about completion dates of the full project. Anybody that got my email the other day will have the same concerns i am sure.

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Regarding the obvious attack on "Mr Slowhand"...He is allowed an opinion. Read other opinions on here and how they fabricate fancy ideas and conspiracies because they have nothing better to do with there lonely existance. Slowhand was only trying to be upbeat and for obvious reasons. If peoples heads get down then they might stop paying...if they stop paying then we are all f****d as there is no money to build. Its not rocket science.

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Show apart is one bed type B APART 504.
The actual kitchen is physically 1.5m out from where it is in the above render, taking up far too much of the living area. There is NO need for the kitchen to be this large in an apartment this size.

I think everyone should be emailing Select Property and Select Group with all their concerns.
premierproperty@selectproperty.com
ccdxb@select-group.ae.

I've already sent my concerns and told them I don't want my oven in a bloody corner. Everybody must do the same as you say concerning fittings

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Why have they left a space under the drainer for a dishwasher, def not required in a 1 bed and not used the space, which is already at a minimum in this flat, to better use. Also the washing machine, which is a must, right next to the oven! Our 1 beds at The Point are 758 sq feet and thats 80 more then here and they feel smallish. Dont sound much but its about 15% more or the equivalent to an 8x10 room. These also have a bigger balcony than The Point making that valuable living space even less.

Regarding the obvious attack on "Mr Slowhand"...He is allowed an opinion. Read other opinions on here and how they fabricate fancy ideas and conspiracies because they have nothing better to do with there lonely existance. Slowhand was only trying to be upbeat and for obvious reasons. If peoples heads get down then they might stop paying...if they stop paying then we are all f****d as there is no money to build. Its not rocket science.

^^Looks like conspiacies might be your agenda:)

Are you saying that the 70 or 90% that people have paid so far might not be enough to finish the project? Given that they are going so slow and not wasting any money on overtime or over the top specification.

I must have gone to a different rocket science class because Cayan across the water are building to a higher spec, using a more expensive contractor going at a much faster speed and charged atleast 20% less psf than Select. So talking about conspiracies, do you think it is possible Select were getting a free building from the profit taken from the sales of West and Central and hence the reason they switched the hotel to the East tower location?

^^Looks like conspiacies might be your agenda:)

Are you saying that the 70 or 90% that people have paid so far might not be enough to finish the project? Given that they are going so slow and not wasting any money on overtime or over the top specification.

I must have gone to a different rocket science class because Cayan across the water are building to a higher spec, using a more expensive contractor going at a much faster speed and charged atleast 20% less psf than Select. So talking about conspiracies, do you think it is possible Select were getting a free building from the profit taken from the sales of West and Central and hence the reason they switched the hotel to the East tower location?

my thoughts exactly TB

they should reduce everyone orginal unit price with this crap finish and long delays

Why? The Point was crap and delayed we never got anything other than the late delivery payment. You and all your BC supporters were quoting far far superior finish to other select projects, you were told 18 months ago that is was, like the torch and the point the same old shit, what did you expect the GH.

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The people who own those apartments with the balconies finished with concrete balustrades will be horrified when they find out their view is a wall:eek:

Does the architect not have any brains, people who buy front on marina views want marina views:bash:

They are not only on the front but the side appts also. these have already been cast. Why only the 7th floor?

^^
It happens every 5 floors. Gonna be lots of unhappy campers!

They should improve the quality here ,cladding and concrete works still not perfect and the edge protection missing some floors.

Thank you IMRE for your great pictures.....your pictures confirm that i will have full marina and sea view from my apartment..and also from many more apartments...

it looks like BC bashers are in full swing...one particular B-----d never sleep without making negative comment about BC...once i will be in Dubai, i will make sure that i take care of him...(wait and watch my dear)...

i think the glass looks amazing...and show apartment features are attractive as well.....will be intresting to see how attractive the entrance,loby and other area...

Thank you IMRE for your great pictures.....your pictures confirm that i will have full marina and sea view from my apartment..and also from many more apartments...

it looks like BC bashers are in full swing...one particular B-----d never sleep without making negative comment about BC...once i will be in Dubai, i will make sure that i take care of him...(wait and watch my dear)...

i think the glass looks amazing...and show apartment features are attractive as well.....will be intresting to see how attractive the entrance,loby and other area...

UK 2 DUBAI --
those rose tinted glasses you see through must be great !!

Thank you IMRE for your great pictures.....your pictures confirm that i will have full marina and sea view from my apartment..and also from many more apartments...

it looks like BC bashers are in full swing...one particular B-----d never sleep without making negative comment about BC...once i will be in Dubai, i will make sure that i take care of him...(wait and watch my dear)...

i think the glass looks amazing...and show apartment features are attractive as well.....will be intresting to see how attractive the entrance,loby and other area...

Have you been out drinking with Sterling Moss! Take the stairs son.....

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The actual kitchen is physically 1.5m out from where it is in the above render, taking up far too much of the living area. There is NO need for the kitchen to be this large in an apartment this size.

In my opinion not many chances to modify the current space distribution within the living area. You should note not straight walls but three huge columns for water piping or structural stuff within SP pictures...without considering original more rational layout...really full of nonsense! Still an evident lack of planning from bigger issues to smaller details.:ohno:
So disappointed about this project....

The people who own those apartments with the balconies finished with concrete balustrades will be horrified when they find out their view is a wall:eek:

Does the architect not have any brains, people who buy front on marina views want marina views:bash:

...what are you referring to? Please better explanation...
Thanks

Balconies in apartments where views are an important feature of the apartment, normally have glass balustrades. The balustrade is the part below the handrail. This would allow the view from inside the apartment to flow out beyond the balcony to the marina waterfront etc.

In every 5th tier of the buildings, the balustrades are constructed from concrete walls. Not very transparent. So to see the view you will have to be standing at the edge of the balcony. The views inside the apartment, while seated watching the tv etc, will simply be a 4ft high concrete wall, nice!

Bottom line is, if you have one of these properties, it is instantly devalued.

IMO, the architect could have retained the banding feature by transferring it to the spandrel panels and substituting aluminium for glass or changed the colour of the balustrade glass from blue to mirrored silver.

Do you mean just 5th, 10th, 15th floor etc...does have this "privilege"? Only marina facing apartments or any apartment on the same floor? What about differences with other floors?

Balconies in apartments where views are an important feature of the apartment, normally have glass balustrades. The balustrade is the part below the handrail. This would allow the view from inside the apartment to flow out beyond the balcony to the marina waterfront etc.

In every 5th tier of the buildings, the balustrades are constructed from concrete walls. Not very transparent. So to see the view you will have to be standing at the edge of the balcony. The views inside the apartment, while seated watching the tv etc, will simply be a 4ft high concrete wall, nice!

Bottom line is, if you have one of these properties, it is instantly devalued.

IMO, the architect could have retained the banding feature by transferring it to the spandrel panels and substituting aluminium for glass or changed the colour of the balustrade glass from blue to mirrored silver.

TB, In your opinion why would every 5th floor have concrete and not glass? Is it something to do with strength for the entire structure? I'm struggling to think of anything else......but it is utter madness

^^Nothing to do with strength. It's purely an architectural feature. Look at the original renders you will see a deep band every 5 floors. I expected they would incorporate these into the spandrel panels (small panel between the main windows normaly covering the floor edge). They could have gone 4 floors with glass composite (front sheet matching blue glass, inside sheet obscure panel) then on the 5th level use aluminium to form the band. Or used silvered mirrored glass which would give a similar effect from the outside but still maintain the view from the apartment.

Instead they have gone for concrete walls on the balconies presumably clad with aluminium. I wonder if the people who bought these floors had this explained to them or if the spec sheet details glass balustrade to balconies.

so there building the wall on floor 7 which is apartment floor 5 next one would be floor 12 which is 10th floor so on?

i wanna check if it will miss my floor.

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i suppose central tower will have the same story?

[QUOTE=True Blue;53132561]^^Nothing to do with strength. It's purely an architectural feature. Look at the original renders you will see a deep band every 5 floors. I expected they would incorporate these into the spandrel panels (small panel between the main windows normaly covering the floor edge).

Got it! Not exacly everybodys idea when sat on the balcony, overlooking the beatiful marina to try and look through a lump of concrete instead. Suggest owners on these floors should make contact with SG to discuss now before it's too late. I'm still waiting for my response concerning the oven being stuck in a corner......

yesterday, taken from a dusty window in JBR.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9573/img0286wi.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/img0286wi.jpg/)

^^ what floor was that taken from? thanks

^^ what floor was that taken from? thanks

Not exactly overun by workers is it?

Not exactly overun by workers is it?

workers are all inside working on the master piece finishing :ohno:

39th floor.

......
it looks like BC bashers are in full swing...one particular B-----d never sleep without making negative comment about BC...once i will be in Dubai, i will make sure that i take care of him...(wait and watch my dear)...

...

Just a little update for you since you seem to think I make up the bad news. You may recall that SP recorded in their updates that they expected to cast 1 floor every 5 days. This is the type of progress that is regularly achieved on Infinity tower so it is not impossible to do if you apply the proper resources to the problem.

Due to Adlive's great pictures I can give you a progress update for the last MONTH on Bay Central.

West tower 2 floors in 1 month.
Central Tower (the key to the project) 1 floor in 1 month.

So the question you must answer is, who is taking the piss here, me or Select?

BTW. There has been practically no progress on the towers over the last 2 weeks, not a single floor cast. Yet Atlantic across the water even managed to do 1 floor with their meagre resources.

So the question you must answer is, who is taking the piss here, me or Select?


FFS there's no argument to even debate! In the last update, didnt SG state that the management are carrying out an assessment of progress on the whole Bay Central site to asses the impact of changes in milestone dates on the overall completion of handover........mmmmm wonder what this could mean. Perhaps other people are now scratching their heads as to how construction milestones keep being pushed back but overall completion remains the same?????

Is it me being negative again or have they done f@ck all in height in the last 10 days or so?

In my opinion not many chances to modify the current space distribution within the living area. You should note not straight walls but three huge columns for water piping or structural stuff within SP pictures...without considering original more rational layout...really full of nonsense! Still an evident lack of planning from bigger issues to smaller details.:ohno:
So disappointed about this project....

Theres a solution to the big kitchen issue. As both areas have access to hot, cold ad soil popes, I would swap the kitchen and cloakroom. Take down the studwork that forms the cloakroom and install a 3 sided open plan kitchen. This room is 2.5m x 1.2m and could house all the appliances. You need to take a 6mm 45amp supply from the existing cooker position through the false ceiling to the new position. Make a much smaller cloakroom in the corner where the kitchen was and hey presto, you have a much bigger more user friendly appt. If I was 20 years younger I would take a small unit in TT , kit it out properly and go to work as there are plenty of TT and BC owners that would like an upgrade. Come to think of it TP owners also!

can someone confirm what apartment floors will have the concrete balconies

[QUOTE=Dubai_Steve;52944947]Bathrooms look pretty good to me in Dubai quality terms. Much better than those installed at the Jewels for example! Although TB's £200 upgrade does look good. In my opinion quality here is not an issue at all, the missing building is the problem. No one will want to rent here if they are working on the podium and building the 3rd tower in a couple of years time.

... I agree in the entirety in relation to the missing hotel and this has been further fuelled with the recent alarming & horrifying news of the estimated date of the Hotel's completion! ... but in my opinion disagree with the several comments that the quality is not an issue at all... the bottom line is if you re being told and sold a BMW and then delivered a Ford.. I for one find that to be a concern! :ohno: if I wanted a ford I would have stuck with the Marina Diamond apt that I initially brought and would have enjoyed reaping the rental yeilds... which my buyers have been enjoying since I sold the MD to them..

Then further salt to injury that all the apt owners of every fifth floor will now have the additional luxury feature of concrete ballustrades (if this is the case I for one have had a lucky escape as mine is on the 31st Flr)

>> The Bottom line they re taking the complete micheal with this all.. :mad:

[QUOTE=Dubai_Steve;52944947]Bathrooms look pretty good to me in Dubai quality terms. Much better than those installed at the Jewels for example! Although TB's £200 upgrade does look good. In my opinion quality here is not an issue at all, the missing building is the problem. No one will want to rent here if they are working on the podium and building the 3rd tower in a couple of years time.

... I agree in the entirety in relation to the missing hotel and this has been further fuelled with the recent alarming & horrifying news of the estimated date of the Hotel's completion! ... but in my opinion disagree with the several comments that the quality is not an issue at all... the bottom line is if you re being told and sold a BMW and then delivered a Ford.. I for one find that to be a concern! :ohno: if I wanted a ford I would have stuck with the Marina Diamond apt that I initially brought and would have enjoyed reaping the rental yeilds... which my buyers have been enjoying since I sold the MD to them..

Then further salt to injury that all the apt owners of every fifth floor will now have the additional luxury feature of concrete ballustrades (if this is the case I for one have had a lucky escape as mine is on the 31st Flr)

>> The Bottom line they re taking the complete micheal with this all.. :mad:

Not wishing to add further fuel to the fire, but is it really going to be if your floor is divisble by 5 then you get a concrete bunker for a balcony? Actually, we may get 2 concrete bunkers if you are on the corner like me!

What about the service floors, and will they leave out floor 13? This is going to leave it to bad luck if you get one or two of those things!

:badnews:

Guys, take a look at the youtube link on our neighbours in the marina quays thread. Views look great and the kitchen has an oven in the middle of the work surfaces. I believe this could be the future.........Still waiting for my reply about the positioning of our oven. Anybody else receive a reply or ask the question why its in a corner?

concrete balconies are every 5 floors but could start from 1

so floor 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, 31, 36 are affected..

this would bum me up as im on 21, need confirmation on what floors affected.

on the current floor count first concrete floor is 7, anyone help?

or could it be 7, 12, 17, 22, 27, 32

[QUOTE=Jac23y;53174143]

Not wishing to add further fuel to the fire, but is it really going to be if your floor is divisble by 5 then you get a concrete bunker for a balcony? Actually, we may get 2 concrete bunkers if you are on the corner like me!

What about the service floors, and will they leave out floor 13? This is going to leave it to bad luck if you get one or two of those things!

:badnews:

concrete balconies are every 5 floors but could start from 1

so floor 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, 31, 36 are affected..

this would bum me up as im on 21, need confirmation on what floors affected.

on the current floor count first concrete floor is 7, anyone help?

or could it be 7, 12, 17, 22, 27, 32

Judging by the renders the corner balconies are unaffected.

We can only guess which floors are affected as the renders make no allowance for the almost double height mechanical floors and don't even seem to show the correct number of floors in the final design. Still a chance that Select will step in and stop this madness.

This is what happens when you pass the design element to the contractor as is the case here.

Guys, take a look at the youtube link on our neighbours in the marina quays thread. Views look great and the kitchen has an oven in the middle of the work surfaces. I believe this could be the future.........Still waiting for my reply about the positioning of our oven. Anybody else receive a reply or ask the question why its in a corner?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSrIsWoDm_o

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If the most up to date render provided by DxbPC is correct, it looks like the concrete ballustrade is only to be inflicted on the West tower

concrete balconies are every 5 floors but could start from 1

so floor 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, 31, 36 are affected..

this would bum me up as im on 21, need confirmation on what floors affected.

on the current floor count first concrete floor is 7, anyone help?

or could it be 7, 12, 17, 22, 27, 32

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH It maybe I ll be joining you in your pain cos Im on 31! Beppe :bash:

It just gets better and better!! :storm:

FWIW >> Thanks for added fuel to my discontent :) ... Im fast losing the will to live!

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH It maybe I ll be joining you in your pain cos Im on 31! Beppe :bash:

It just gets better and better!! :storm:

FWIW >> Thanks for added fuel to my discontent :) ... Im fast losing the will to live!

Let's see if we can sort this out before you or I top ourselves! :lol:

I have put numbers on the side of the render, just counting balconies:

http://i40.tinypic.com/dmxo35.jpg

So you can see the sequence is 3, 8, 13, and 18 from the render.

If we continue adding 5 to the sequence then we get 23, 28, 33, and 38 (but who knows where the final floor is?)

Also from render looks like Central tower investors (like me) are unaffected as per render (but render's can and do change, so still time for select to give me a concrete bunker).:ohno::banana:

Let's see if we can sort this out before you or I top ourselves! :lol:

I have put numbers on the side of the render, just counting balconies:

http://i40.tinypic.com/dmxo35.jpg

So you can see the sequence is 3, 8, 13, and 18 from the render.

If we continue adding 5 to the sequence then we get 23, 28, 33, and 38 (but who knows where the final floor is?)

Also from render looks like Central tower investors (like me) are unaffected as per render (but render's can and do change, so still time for select to give me a concrete bunker).:ohno::banana:

Dont you dare get 28 involved in this!!!!

im in the central tower.. but i thought the cladding was the same?

Cheers - Nice You Tube and not bad for what appears to be a one bed apt.

to everybody, check this photo.....

seem ground + 6 floors and after every 6 floors.
not in central tower.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/4424970758_09b4c74b52_o.jpg

^^ thats the old model.. it has changed

Dont you dare get 28 involved in this!!!!

Would you believe it but I actually had a real good chuckle at your comment... it will soon turn to tears no doubt when bloody Select make the confirmation(s) of which floors etc

If I dont laugh Im gonna cry! .. :cry:

>> FWIW "Spiderman" thanks for your kind attempts to stop me in my suicide! its duly noted and appreciated all the same!

Would you believe it but I actually had a real good chuckle at your comment... it will soon turn to tears no doubt when bloody Select make the confirmation(s) of which floors etc

If I dont laugh Im gonna cry! .. :cry:

>> FWIW "Spiderman" thanks for your kind attempts to stop me in my suicide! its duly noted and appreciated all the same!

Hi Jac23y. How was New York?

I'm still awaiting an answer from both Select Dubai and Select Manchester concerning the kitchen layout and if they intend to stick the oven in a corner. I've only sent 3 emails now over a week and still no response. It looks like I'm going to have to pick up the phone. Once I've dealt with the kitchen I guess I'll have to move on to the balcony. Better to try and deal with this now before everything is finished. I will be in Dubai in 4 weeks so I may make more progress FACE to FACE!

according to site floor numbering, the balustrades start at the 7th floor. which puts them on these floors: 7, 12, 17, 22, 27, 32.

we will know for sure when they start casting the second balustrade on a higher floor.

[QUOTE
we will know for sure when they start casting the second balustrade on a higher floor.[/QUOTE]

can anyone confirm if this foolishness will be on both residential towers?

12/March/2010

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12/March/2010

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Where is this shitty third tower :bash:

is almost complete. you can't see it because is invisible!! :-)

only by night vision !

Its going to look so unbalanced with only 2 towers.

Its going to look so unbalanced with only 2 towers.

I vote for a park area where the 3rd towers was supposed to go. Maybe we can call it Central Park?:lol:

we've had a collection. Its a box we've had built to put TB in so he is forced watch progress at BC excellerate and to eat his words. :lol:

Regarding timescales, more information for BC investors and other non-investors such a TB and MOAF (drop the M that would be a more appropriate moniker :)) to consider

PODIUM
This will be crescent shaped to follow the three towers. Regarding depth of the crescent, the back of the podium in the middle will be the back of the central tower. This explains the apparent lack of progress on the podium in that it will not cover the whole site as we thought.

ACCESS TO THE SITE
Will be via ramps from the rear. These will be situated in the middle of the three towers at the rear. That is why the podium will not cover the whole site because space is required for the ramps.

HEIGHT OF TOWERS
As we know the following nomenclature is being used to denote the floors B5 to B1, G, M, G1, G2 etc. The top residential floor in West Tower will be G39 and there will be an additional floor for services apparently. Likewise for the Central Tower, the top residential floor will be G48 plus one for services. As someone has previously posted the two mechanical floors for the central tower will be 13 and 34.

Based on current progress, I estimate that the central tower will top out June/July 10. On the basis that there is not that much to do on the podium, my opinion is handover will be late Autumn 2011 unless lack of progress on the hotel prevents this in some way.

TB's either a dope or a wind up merchant. He could be both.

I went for top out October 2010 and you went for June/July 2010 along with some childish insults.

Given that they appear to have abandoned progress of the towers structures the question is do ya feel lucky punk, WELL DO YA?

Who's the dope now?:lol:

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it is easy to see now thanks to imre , so floor 7 , 12, 17, 22, 27, 32 etc

Dont you dare get 28 involved in this!!!!

floor counting on the lower floors goes like

B5, B4, B3, B2, G , M , 01 etc ...so could it be that you are one floor out ?

(for counting proof see for example imre photo on 10t th july 2009)

Looks like a Director or two have gone...

http://www.ukdata.com/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=05071388&affiliateId=258361

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it is easy to see now thanks to imre , so floor 7 , 12, 17, 22, 27, 32 etc

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:nuts:

Looks like a Director or two have gone...

http://www.ukdata.com/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=05071388&affiliateId=258361

I'm still waiting for the after sales director to answer my question about the kitchen. Maybe now I know why......
I've now sent 4 emails to Dubai with not even the courtesy of being told they have received my email and are checking with the developer. Instead absolutely nothing. But hey, I guess we're only the people who invested in the project.:ohno:

Looks like a Director or two have gone...

http://www.ukdata.com/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=05071388&affiliateId=258361

The Auditors also resigned just prior to submission of the annual accounts.:eek:

The Auditors also resigned just prior to submission of the annual accounts.:eek:

Yeah, I noticed that too! Might be worth stumping up 18 quid to get the full report!

Yeah, I noticed that too! Might be worth stumping up 18 quid to get the full report!

try www.companieshouse.gov.uk it is much cheaper and you can see the names of the Directors who have resigned for nothing. Check it out for yourself but I think this line of enquiry is a red herring. The big issue is the hotel or lack of it as I think it is impacting progress of the whole site.

try www.companieshouse.gov.uk it is much cheaper and you can see the names of the Directors who have resigned for nothing. Check it out for yourself but I think this line of enquiry is a red herring. The big issue is the hotel or lack of it as I think it is impacting progress of the whole site.

You have to remember that directors also change jobs and if they do, they have to resign as a director from their current employment which has to be listed at companies house. It happens all the time so I wouldnt draw too much into it.

try www.companieshouse.gov.uk it is much cheaper and you can see the names of the Directors who have resigned for nothing. Check it out for yourself but I think this line of enquiry is a red herring. The big issue is the hotel or lack of it as I think it is impacting progress of the whole site.

OK thanks for the tip.

Here is the link:
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/fb038fcd23dff8bf940a19f6e61250ef/wcprodorder?incexc=1

Knowledge is power, as they say.

You have to remember that directors also change jobs and if they do, they have to resign as a director from their current employment which has to be listed at companies house. It happens all the time so I wouldnt draw too much into it.

Not exactly true. Directors can hold multiple directorships, some may only be engaged in an consultant basis to provide advise from time to time. Maybe the ones that prepare the milestones are the ones "leaving":)

The resignation of the auditors is an interesting one. Why would anyone give up a client in these difficult times?

Not exactly true. Directors can hold multiple directorships, some may only be engaged in an consultant basis to provide advise from time to time. Maybe the ones that prepare the milestones are the ones "leaving":)

The resignation of the auditors is an interesting one. Why would anyone give up a client in these difficult times?

Yes you can hold multiple directorships as people in my business do. However, if you leave the job or group it's more than likely you would have to resign unless you were still on the pay roll as a consultant etc.

The auditors is interesting, perhaps Select didn't want to retain their services and fees?

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Yes you can hold multiple directorships as people in my business do. However, if you leave the job or group it's more than likely you would have to resign unless you were still on the pay roll as a consultant etc.

The auditors is interesting, perhaps Select didn't want to retain their services and fees?

You could also need to resign as director of all companies if you file for personal bankruptcy.

More changes with Select...

http://www.ukdata.com/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=05071388&affiliateId=258361

Recent Changes:
Termination of appointment of director - 1 pages
17/03/2010 Risk score change
17/03/2010 Credit limit change

18/March/2010

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Imre - you are too good to us! Thanks a million! :applause:

Imre...fantastic. Thanks agian for the effort.

Imre...fantastic. Thanks agian for the effort.

thanks Imre. :applause: It looks like they are working on the upper floors of the towers again. Of course progress is too slow but there is some progress.

Hi
Can some confirm has anyone got pr-registering number from SG?
i need to list my property for sale on a website and one of condition is to have pr-register number i belive this is issued by land department .
i paid SG 1% value of property for land registeration fee 6 months ago and was issued a certificate by SG with very little information on this certificate
when i checked this certificate the space where this number should be is blank
i am not sure if SG have paid any fee on behalf investors if they did then this number must be on this certificate .i think it is 2% for land registering fee which SG need to pay other 1% ,
can some one confirm any body have this certificate with this number?
Mirpuri

Hi
Can some confirm has anyone got pr-registering number from SG?
i need to list my property for sale on a website and one of condition is to have pr-register number i belive this is issued by land department .
i paid SG 1% value of property for land registeration fee 6 months ago and was issued a certificate by SG with very little information on this certificate
when i checked this certificate the space where this number should be is blank
i am not sure if SG have paid any fee on behalf investors if they did then this number must be on this certificate .i think it is 2% for land registering fee which SG need to pay other 1% ,
can some one confirm any body have this certificate with this number?
Mirpuri

Yes it is from land dept called OQOOD with a contract number. I hope that helps

mirpuri,

Good luck with your sale. Cayan are on a repo purge just now with defaulting investors who are around 1 year late with their payments. They have apparently repossesed 120 units in Silverene and Infinity. As a result other owners with 6month late in payments are trying to offload for as little as 800/ft 20% below OP. Both towers are not far from completion so fairly tangible assets. This will make BC difficult to shift in the current market with so long to completion unless you are realisticaly expecting around 700/ft.

I still haven't had any documents stating my property is registered, anyone on the SPP confirm they have this OQOOD document.

i'm on LPP and i've payd 1% fees to Select, 6 month ago. They send me the receipt where i can see the amount, the date, but no OQOOD number.

Someone know how to get it?
maybe SP have to register, pay, and take it from here ( http://www.oqood.ae/presale/index.jsp )

thanks!

Any news on the East Tower? It does not look good....Can they handover the place with half a podium built like that and what about the swimming pools that were to be in between the East and Central towers? What a mess.

^^^^^ the number of press reports of cancellations of hotel projects in dubai is increasing by the day. it will be a miracle if this hotel gets built in the next 3-5 years, and Select would never admit that until it's too late for investors.

i say let's start a legal fund and sue them for breach of contract!

I've got oficial oqood docs for both lpp and spp. Had them for over a year now.

I still haven't had any documents stating my property is registered, anyone on the SPP confirm they have this OQOOD document.

i'm on LPP and i've payd 1% fees to Select, 6 month ago. They send me the receipt where i can see the amount, the date, but no OQOOD number.

Someone know how to get it?
maybe SP have to register, pay, and take it from here ( http://www.oqood.ae/presale/index.jsp )

thanks!

ring or e mail select to send you the OQOOD number. withold your next payment and say clearly to select you will pay on receipt of OQOOD documnet for your property
:)

I've got oficial oqood docs for both lpp and spp. Had them for over a year now.

I have :)

I have :)

Had mine over a year now but had to push them for it.

2 weeks and counting since I asked the question regarding the kitchen layout. 4 emails to both Manchester and Dubai questioning the wisdom of an oven in a corner. What customer service?:ohno:

all i have is the reciept from select stating i have paid my 1% back in Oct 2008

I have :)

Was somewhat difficult to obtain it but I have my OQOOD copy.
Is your copy countersigned from the developer (SP, SG or Bay Central Development Ltd)?
A similar computer generated document, without reciprocal signatures, despite to the fact that it shows that the apartment has been registered within RERA and a purchase contract does exists, it is not binding between the parties for sure.

Yes it is from land dept called OQOOD with a contract number. I hope that helps

thank you DXBGO i have the OQOOD contract no. but the information missing is as below -The land no. and others
Mirpuri


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thank you DXBGO i have the OQOOD contract no. but the information missing is as below -The land no. and others
Mirpuri


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Hi
you should have below that
proerty name- bc west and bc central then property type 1or 2 or 3 bedrooms

property area

value of the property
:cheers:

Hi
you should have below that
proerty name- bc west and bc central then property type 1or 2 or 3 bedrooms

property area

value of the property
:cheers:

Yes i have all that but i think it is important to have land & sub land numbers if this is from land department do,you not think so?
Mirpuri

In our last update, it stated basement (structure) would commence Feb 10-May 10. It's up to me to ask the first silliest question of the day....Anybody in Dubai notice if this has started yet? If not, I guess the milestones will be further pushed back in our next update.

is the only way of contacting select via the email and fax in the updates?

select seems to have adapted a policy, being short-staffed, to only respond to phone calls and office visits. any other form of communications from investors will be ignored, something confirmed by my own experience and others on this board.

and they never follow up if they promise to do so btw!! you have to either call again, or go to the office.

is the only way of contacting select via the email and fax in the updates?

email isn't the answer I'm afraid. I've sent several over the last 2 weeks and have had no response. I complained to Manchester and was told that all questions must be put to the developer, Select group. Yeh great, they don't answer!! Thankfully I'm in Dubai in a couple of weeks and I'll go and seek them out

i'll be surprised if anything starts in the hotel this year. many other hotels in dubai have put their projects on hold in the last 2-3 months. don't see why this one would not do the same (if they have not already done so).

In our last update, it stated basement (structure) would commence Feb 10-May 10. It's up to me to ask the first silliest question of the day....Anybody in Dubai notice if this has started yet? If not, I guess the milestones will be further pushed back in our next update.

select seems to have adapted a policy, being short-staffed, to only respond to phone calls and office visits. any other form of communications from investors will be ignored, something confirmed by my own experience and others on this board.

and they never follow up if they promise to do so btw!! you have to either call again, or go to the office.

Unfortunately, the only thing they can be relied upon is to email you with payment notices or distress sales from their development in Turkey which I received yesterday.

yes, i try to ask the statement of account with all payment, but no one reply. i sent about 5-6 mail but no one reply to me.....
how it is possible? how can i know my statement of account? i must only phone and say that they have to send to me by mail.

More changes with Select...

http://www.ukdata.com/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=05071388&affiliateId=258361

Recent Changes:
Termination of appointment of director - 1 pages
17/03/2010 Risk score change
17/03/2010 Credit limit change

Looks like Select Propertry Group in UK are going under to me.

Looks like Select Propertry Group in UK are going under to me.

I can understand the risk score and credit change as most companies will be in a similar situation after the last year of trading. Let's be honest, they can't have sold may holiday homes or overseas property to investors over the last year and so profits, if any will be dire. The biggest problem is when the developer took over handling all customer issues. Disaster, they haven't a clue regarding customer service as other peoples experiences on here clearly show.

I've not heard about any cancellations of hotel projects in Dubai this year? Does anybody know which projects have been cancelled?

yes, i try to ask the statement of account with all payment, but no one reply. i sent about 5-6 mail but no one reply to me.....
how it is possible? how can i know my statement of account? i must only phone and say that they have to send to me by mail.

This one is easy to sort out.

Just don't pay the next scheduled instalment (obviously if you are on SPP and are fully up-to-date then it may be too late?) and you will get a helpful reminder stating how much you have paid and what is outstanding. You will then have 30 business days to sort it all out before it goes to the land dept.

Hi everyone have not been on for a while and it sounds quite bleak with the way things are going so does anybody know where we stand legally if they put the project on hold do they still expect us to carry on paying whether on the lpp or spp.
There does not seem to be many bodies on site or is it that they are all inside grafting to make sure completion is done by the end of the year!!!
Trying to stay optimistic and thank you guys for all your input keep it going and maybe after the new year we will all be drinking the yacht club dry.
Keep smiling!!!

here are some below. don't fall for Select's assurances in any form to give you false hope. remember, they have used the same people before on this board to fool investors, and they are doing it again here by showing you letters saying that the hotel will open in 2014. by 2014 Select would probably not be in business any more in its present form.

all you need to do is look at the facts on ground and you will realize how bad the situation is for this hotel.
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Palm Atlantis size delays Kempinski hotel opening
by Andy Sambidge
10 December 2009
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/575737-palm-atlantis-size-delays-kempinski-hotel-opening

Kempinski has delayed opening its planned luxury hotel on Palm Jumeirah - due to the size and scale of the Palm Atlantis, officials have said.

MAJOR COMPETITION: The size of Palm Atlantis has prompted Kempinski to delay opening its Emerald Palace hotel.

Fairmont Palm Jumeirah delayed over funding
Jan 20, 2010
http://www.hoteliermiddleeast.com/7076-fairmont-palm-jumeirah-delayed-over-funding/

Fairmont’s Palm Jumeirah Hotel will miss its scheduled completion date by at least a year to 2011 as its backers struggle to secure funding, the President of Fairmont Hotels & Resorts said on Tuesday.

Storey said that IFA Hotels & Resorts' partners were finding it hard to gain finance. Storey said that IFA Hotels & Resorts' partners were finding it hard to gain finance.

HMH cancels three Dubai hotels
By Louise Oakley
Feb 17, 2010
http://www.hoteliermiddleeast.com/7450-hmh-cancels-three-dubai-hotels/

Hospitality Management Holdings (HMH) has cancelled three of its Dubai hotels, HotelierMiddleEast.com can exclusively reveal. Corp Business Bay, Coral International Deira and Coral Boutique Bur Dubai are no longer going ahead.

The company also confirmed that two other hotels in its upcoming property pipeline were on hold; Ecos Dubailand and Ecos Fujairah. There are also delays at two other UAE hotels; Coral International Abu Dhabi and Coral Al Mjaz Tower Sharjah.

HMH confirmed the cancellations and delays but declined to comment on the reasons why. The company is scheduled to open Corp Al Barsha and Corp Doha in April.

Dubai tops hotel pipeline list in Middle East, says report
12 March 2009
http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20090312034049/?query=hotel%20dubai

Dubai's hospitality sector has scaled back its ambitions with 20 of its planned hotel projects cancelled or put on hold this quarter, according to a new report. Projects in Dubai have been most affected by the crisis, said the report by Lodging Econometrics, a hotel real estate analyst firm, with 7,477 rooms or 21 per cent of the EMEA total cancelled or postponed this quarter.

Nakheel's Trump Hotel and Tower and the Asia-Asia Hotel in Tatweer's Dubailand have both reportedly been put on hold, but many developers are not announcing their delayed or cancelled projects. The emirate was leading the Middle East with 136 projects or 50,414 rooms, accounting for a third of the total pipeline. Abu Dhabi followed at 73 projects or 23,489 rooms. All projects are large, high-end properties, said the report. "In the Middle East, the evaporation of available lending has seriously impacted their pipeline of high-end resorts," it added.

As economic growth in the region spanning Europe, the Middle East and Africa slows, lending is drying up except for smaller mid-market and economy projects. A large number of the projects that have been stalled will face problems moving forward until the financing crisis has been resolved, said the paper. Consequently, planned projects and room counts are falling and will do so at a more rapid pace in the months ahead, the report added. The Middle East as a whole had a planned construction of 503 hotel projects with 147,488 rooms by the end of last year, down ten per cent from the projected pipeline in June last year, said the report.

© 7Days 2009

I've not heard about any cancellations of hotel projects in Dubai this year? Does anybody know which projects have been cancelled?

i think it's simple to know if the 3th tower will be built in Bay Central or not. If in the next 2-3 month they start building the 3th tower, maybe the hotel there will be. (very very late, and maybe not hotel, but only apartment). if they don't start the building works as soon as possible, i think that East tower will be on hold (hoping not forever) because i suppose that SP don't get money to build the east tower.

reckon it will end up being another residential tower..They will first build central and west bringing some confidence in while hoping the sq ft price will rise then launch the east tower on the back of this to make more money I believe the hotel tower was only to be leased for 25 yrs from marriot?? Perhaps someone can correct this if wrong.

[QUOTE=glover;53785335][SIZE="2"]here are some below. don't fall for Select's assurances in any form to give you false hope. remember, they have used the same people before on this board to fool investors, and they are doing it again here by showing you letters saying that the hotel will open in 2014. by 2014 Select would probably not be in business any more in its present form.



I don't know anything about letters stating hotel will open in 2014? Where have these come from and where the bloody hell has 2014 and not 2012 come from? Christ, 2012 is bad enough!

[QUOTE=glover;53785335][SIZE="2"]here are some below. don't fall for Select's assurances in any form to give you false hope. remember, they have used the same people before on this board to fool investors, and they are doing it again here by showing you letters saying that the hotel will open in 2014. by 2014 Select would probably not be in business any more in its present form.



I don't know anything about letters stating hotel will open in 2014? Where have these come from and where the bloody hell has 2014 and not 2012 come from? Christ, 2012 is bad enough!

The Feb 2010 update (released in march) told us that the Hotel will get final certificate in July 2012.

That is Select's best guess. And we all know their track record by now...:ohno:

contacted select today and got my account statement and oqood certificate emailed to me.

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some significant development has happened ref the hotel. Marriott is saying now that the hotel will open in October 2014. we now have a confirmation from the horse's mouth that, more or less, construction of this hotel is in serious trouble.

Unless Select come clean and state officially the status of this hotel and deny marriott's statement, then we should all think about establishing a legal fund to sue Select for breach of contract.


I don't know anything about letters stating hotel will open in 2014? Where have these come from and where the bloody hell has 2014 and not 2012 come from? Christ, 2012 is bad enough!

some significant development has happened ref the hotel. Marriott is saying now that the hotel will open in October 2014. we now have a confirmation from the horse's mouth that, more or less, construction of this hotel is in serious trouble.

Unless Select come clean and state officially the status of this hotel and deny marriott's statement, then we should all think about establishing a legal fund to sue Select for breach of contract.

If this is fact, it will certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons and there will be a very large number of cheesed off investors. Another four and a half years before the hotel is complete. We paid for hotel serviced apartments. I hope this doesnt get messy. But given that the developer doesn't answer peoples questions which are trivial in comparison to this, I fear it could hit the fan. Has this information been forwarded to the developer in the hope that they may respond?

some significant development has happened ref the hotel. Marriott is saying now that the hotel will open in October 2014. we now have a confirmation from the horse's mouth that, more or less, construction of this hotel is in serious trouble.

Unless Select come clean and state officially the status of this hotel and deny marriott's statement, then we should all think about establishing a legal fund to sue Select for breach of contract.

Could this be another reason the Select Group UK directors resigned recently to avoid any legal action against them?

Just back in the uk today and will put up some pics later tonight.

Could this be another reason the Select Group UK directors resigned recently to avoid any legal action against them?

I guess we'll never know but it could be the two guys were made redundant? They would have to resign as directors of Select if this happened. Remember that the developer in Dubai is a completely separate company to Select Manchester who are now just the sales and marketing agent for the developer.
However, it's still Manchester that sold us serviced apartments with a 5* hotel. We will have to wait for a response from the developer to what Marriot have told us. Should we hold our breath?

Well look on the positive side, maybe they are using the hotel site as a test location for this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8574923.stm

Could this be another reason the Select Group UK directors resigned recently to avoid any legal action against them?

I don't think so.

One of the directors who left was in charge of customer care...when it all went to Dubai, then no job?

His history is here:

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Moore_Trevor_842726552.aspx

and you will see he went to Jessops: http://www.retailpropertyanddevelopment.co.uk/news/new-chief-executive-jessops-081564

Now that jessops plc has been wound up, I have no idea where Trevor Moore is now working. If you're reading Trevor let us know you are OK?:cheers:

some significant development has happened ref the hotel. Marriott is saying now that the hotel will open in October 2014. we now have a confirmation from the horse's mouth that, more or less, construction of this hotel is in serious trouble.



Can't believe I'm going to be more than a year out with my estimate of Sept 2013 for completion of this development. I know I tend to be optomistic but this is taking the biscuit.

Just shows you the bullshit that Select are willing to feed their valued customers in the last few weeks with all this, hotel construction starting soon and BC tower topped out by June, crap.

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It looks like only the west tower is getting the solid balconies.

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According to the last "update" the cladding and glass would be finished in August. Anyone who has monitored the progress of this element will see that it is going painfully slow, just like most other things. Started end Jan and with a week to go until it's April yet all they have managed is 5 levels, which are not even complete. A blind man can see that they won't finish it this year, yet they can't see it themselves.

I really don't believe they are that incompetent, I just think they think it's ok to lie about progress and completion constantly.

Great pictures Pete! :applause:

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Can't believe I'm going to be more than a year out with my estimate of Sept 2013 for completion of this development. I know I tend to be optomistic but this is taking the biscuit.

Just shows you the bullshit that Select are willing to feed their valued customers in the last few weeks with all this, hotel construction starting soon and BC tower topped out by June, crap.

I remember a very valuable comment you made a while ago. They can tell you when its going to be finished but not when its going to start!!:ohno:

According to the last "update" the cladding and glass would be finished in August. Anyone who has monitored the progress of this element will see that it is going painfully slow, just like most other things. Started end Jan and with a week to go until it's April yet all they have managed is 5 levels, which are not even complete. A blind man can see that they won't finish it this year, yet they can't see it themselves.

I really don't believe they are that incompetent, I just think they think it's ok to lie about progress and completion constantly.

I count 35 floors on the west tower, same as the floor count from the last update

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Seems that the first concrete balcony is now on floor 7. Has any one worked out or confirmed the rest of the building ? .

Dubai Marina Rat Centre :)

Pest control companies happy to see this.

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:applause::applause:fantastic photo update thanks, was going to mention the fact that it all looks a bit tidier all round until the last picture...Has anyone bothered to ask the actual building foremen on site when the east tower will commence? Surely they would have an idea since they would have to coordinate the removal of building materials from the site.

Looks like a typical DCE jobsite... and gives a hint for the quality...

^^
Exactly - what kind of quality can be achieved from such chaos :ohno:. What a waste of this prime Marina location.:bash:

I really don't believe they are that incompetent, I just think they think it's ok to lie about progress and completion constantly.
^^Well we all know that lying is a national sport, mind you with some exceptions.:lol:

apartment number i think that are gonna be..

so 7 floor will be apartment no. 05XX


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Are you guessing or are you sure? At The Point The podium/pool deck is the start of the appts and this is the 2nd floor. Surely worth a call to someone at Select to find out if you have a wall or not.

Are you guessing or are you sure? At The Point The podium/pool deck is the start of the appts and this is the 2nd floor. Surely worth a call to someone at Select to find out if you have a wall or not.

From earlier photos it could indeed be deduced that there is a G (round) and a M (ezzanine) floor, before 01 apartment level starts, so that fits. the other question is what happens with the utility floors (are they double or single) ?

Maybe too simple yet it could be 7th floor indeed is the first level with such a balcony, then add 5 -> 12th floor etc, so 17th , 22, 27, 32...

Decree No. (6) of 2010 dealing with the Executive Regulations of Law No. (13) of 2008 (Regulations) has now been signed and is awaiting formal publication in the Official Gazette.


•The Regulations make it clear that a developer needs to only submit an application to register units under Article (3)(2) of Law 13 within the specified time in order to comply with the registration requirements. Applications made outside this time will still be registered but a fine of AED10,000 will be levied.
•Developers cannot sell off-plan before taking possession (which includes actual control of the land) and only after obtaining the site location plan along with all necessary approvals from the competent authorities for the project.
•Parking lots must be registered along with the purchasers units.
•The developer cannot refuse to transfer units if the purchaser has fulfilled his contractual obligations even if the purchaser owes other financial obligations not arising out of the particular sales contract.
•Developers who wish to sell using real estate brokers must conclude a contract with a registered broker and have that contract registered with the DLD.
•Sales of units in projects that have not been fully approved by the authorities are void.
•Where brokers market all or part of the project the broker must place all sums received against the purchase price for the unit in the escrow account and cannot deduct monies for brokerage until after payment into the escrow account. Any contract that allows otherwise shall be void.
•The DLD has the authority to act as a mediation service for disputes between developers and purchasers.
•Further clarity is given on the procedures for terminating purchasers. Developers appear to now be able to send their own termination notices (i.e. not through the DLD) provided they copy the notice to the DLD. A developer does not need to sell at public auction if he completes more than 80% of the project and may elect to terminate the contract and retain up to 40% of the purchase price.
•A developer can only rescind a contract with a purchaser where construction has not started provided the developer proves he has fulfilled all his contractual obligations and proves the project was not initiated due to causes beyond his control and the failure was not due to his negligence.
•Leveling and infrastructure works are evidence that a developer has started a project.
•A developer may make use of or let a unit to a third party if the unit is not auctioned subject to the developer repaying any balance sums due to the defaulting purchaser in accordance with the timeframes set out in the Regulations.
•A purchaser can request the courts to rescind a contract in the following cases:
1.if the developer refuses to deliver the contract for the unit without any justifiable reason;
2.if the developer does not bind payments to construction based milestones as approved by the DLD;
3.if the developer significantly changes the specifications agreed in the contract;
4.if the unit is proved to be unusable due to major structural defects;
5.in any other cases applicable under general legal rules.
•For the purposes of the Regulations causes beyond the control of a developer include:
1.the plot on which the project is to be built is re-possessed for public interest;
2.if a government authority stops the project for re-planning;
3.if excavations or service networks are found in the project's location;
4.if the master developer modifies the project's location in a way that prevents the sub-developer from executing its obligations;
5.any other causes as deemed by the DLD.
•Negligence by a developer includes:
1.delay in taking handover of the plot and obtaining necessary approvals from the competent authorities without any reason;
2.sub-developer sells off plan without obtaining permission from the master developer;
3.delays in obtaining written approval for plans and designs;
4.delays in preparation of the project for actual construction works;
5.not providing the DLD with necessary information required to approve the project;
6.non registration of project with DLD;
7.non disclosure of the project's financial data to the DLD;
8.any other causes as deemed by the DLD.
•The DLD can cancel a project on the basis of a technical report in the following cases:
1.the developer does not initiate construction without justifiable cause after obtaining the required approvals;
2.the developer breaches Dubai Law 8 of 2007 (the Escrow Law);
3.the DLD finds the developer not serious about constructing the project;
4.the land on which the project is to be built is re-possessed due to breach by the sub-developer of its contractual obligations towards the master developer;
5.the land on which the project is to be built is affected by planning and re-planning projects by Dubai authorities;
6.the developer fails to commence the project due to gross negligence;
7.the developer declares its intention not to commence the project for reasons acceptable by the DLD;
8.the developer declares bankruptcy;
9.any other causes as deemed by the DLD.
•A developer can appeal the DLD's decision to cancel a project within seven days of being notified by the DLD.
•If the balance in the trust account is insufficient to satisfy the purchasers’ rights, the developer shall repay the outstanding sums to the purchaser within 60 days of cancellation unless an extension is granted by the DLD.
•If a developer fails to repay the sums to purchasers in cases of project cancellation, then the DLD has the authority to take necessary steps to protect purchasers' rights including referring the matter to competent judicial authorities.

The DLD can cancel a project on the basis of a technical report in the following cases:
1.the developer does not initiate construction without justifiable cause after obtaining the required approvals;

Dude, where's my hotel? :rant:

Thanks to Imre for finding this. I think every SP/SG investor should read this:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=54013765&postcount=901

Dubai investor says she's been cheated

Investor finds her purchase contract for a one-bedroom unit cancelled after paying nearly Dh500,000

By Jay B. Hilotin, Chief Reporter
Published: 00:00 March 25, 2010

DUBAI : An accountant fears losing half a million dirhams she had paid for a Marina tower unit after she skipped three payments while negotiating for a discount from the developer.

Costly penalty

Dimple Bhatia, 29, a US-educated Indian raised in Dubai, said because the construction and hand-over of Botanica Tower was facing delays, she negotiated in August 2009 for a reduced price or payment scheme. The developer, Select Property, cancelled her contract despite her offers to pay the unpaid instalments.

Till then, she had already paid Dh497,259 to Select Property for the one-bedroom unit, representing 36 per cent of the cash value of the Dh1.38 million property (or 24 per cent of the purchase price of Dh2.07 million based on the payment plan). Bhatia had bought the unit at Dh2,654 per square foot at the height of the property boom. Dubai's real estate market saw a freefall for 18 months with property prices falling over 50 per cent from their mid-2008 highs.

Bhatia now wants to withdraw the money. "I have asked for a deferred payment plan or payment relaxation — since Botanica is expected to be delayed by a year-and-a-half," she said.

She said she is clueless how to get her money back. "They cheated me. At one end, they were negotiating and at another end, they cancelled my contract."

Legally speaking
A recent report by Select Group said the core of the 36-storey Botanica Tower was already three floors above ground, with construction in full swing.
Soheyla Dad, Select Group's lawyer, said Bhatia has been in default since June 2009 and sufficient reminders were sent to her by courier and e-mail.
"The purchaser has never offered to settle her account to date," Dad said.
"Unfortunately, the negotiations (if any) proved to be unsuccessful for one reason or another - bearing in mind we are not legally obliged to negotiate where a purchaser is in default of their contractual terms."

http://gulfnews.com/business/property/dubai-real-estate-investor-says-she-s-been-cheated-1.602475

Adlive posted this: Shows where the hotel should be...

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Hugely impressive photo, well done, one of the very best!

i was at the site yesterday. the concrete balconies will be for sure on the 7, 12, 17, 22 .... floors. the first and second floors are going to be part of the podium, just like in al-sahab tower.

Glover are the actual floor numbers on the building the same as on the SPAs unlike the torch as this will make a big difference.

the floor numbers shown on the building now will be the actual floor numbers. just like in al-Sahab, built by DCE also, the ground floor (in BC's case called M now) is followed by the 1st and 2nd floors which will be part of the podium, and then the 3rd floor which will be the pool deck floor.

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The DLD can cancel a project on the basis of a technical report in the following cases:
1.the developer does not initiate construction without justifiable cause after obtaining the required approvals;

Dude, where's my hotel? :rant:

Found an interesting article that goes back a couple of years. Perhaps bank finance could be the reason for the delay on East tower. Obviously banks have changed significantly since 2008.....

Home to 325 beautifully appointed rooms, the Renaissance Dubai Marina will be managed by Marriott international. This five star hotel will feature an all-day casual restaurant, two specialty restaurants, lobby lounge and bar, a high energy entertainment bar with outdoor seating and a large F&B area at the roof deck for functions and parties. For recreation, the hotel will offer an internationally branded, 14,000-square foot spa; a health club with sauna and steam rooms; and an outdoor swimming pool.

With 16,800 square feet dedicated to flexible meeting space, some of the other amenities will include an executive lounge, a business center, 24 hour room service, in room mini bar, and high speed internet access.

The Group successfully closed a syndicated financing arrangement for the hotel in early 2008. The syndication is comprised of two international banks; one from the United Kingdom and the other being one of the largest UAE banks.

Zoom in on BC in this pic by Gerald.d. :applause:

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I can't see BC, it's hidden behind JBR and Al Fattan towers:)

I can see Botanica core rising and a great shot of Dorrabay:okay:

^^I think you should go to specsavers! I have taken a snapshot that should help you!

:lol:

Three and a half grand for laser surgery but I still can't see through buildings:laugh:

lights on at night!

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[QUOTE=Beppe786;54340037]lights on at night!

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HEY, LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE HAS MOVED IN AS LIGHT IS ON IN LOUNGE OR IS THAT WISHFUL THINKING :)

AT LEAST WE CAN SAY PROGRESS HASN'T STOPPED

[QUOTE=Beppe786;54340037]lights on at night!

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HEY, LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE HAS MOVED IN AS LIGHT IS ON IN LOUNGE OR IS THAT WISHFUL THINKING :)

AT LEAST WE CAN SAY PROGRESS HASN'T STOPPED

It's just the local squatters, the caravans will be on the hotel site before long :lol:

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AT LEAST WE CAN SAY PROGRESS HASN'T STOPPED

One of the towers hasn't started! You need to have a start before you can have a stop.:lol:

Strange how central tower lights are only on!

Strange how central tower lights are only on!

The squatters like to be as close to water as possible

Strange how central tower lights are only on!

Even squatters know about location, location, location!:banana:

Hi
can some one confirm I want buy a unit on re-sale market in Duabi marina developer is asking
2% transfer fee which is OK
2% agency fee Ok
2% deed fee never hear this before what is this ? Is this not transfer fee ?
appreciate help
thanks
Mirpuri