About the location , the Botanica access not so good but many people likes the location as close to hotels ( Grosvenor House , Habtoor Grand , Royal Meridien) , close to the beach and JBR Walk.

We got few apartments in Royal Oceanic before and rent was always easy and fast, also the Skyview Tower is very popular now.

I think totally different tenants for Silverene and Botanica ..

View also different , from Silverene you will get marina view ,SZR and partial sea view , from Botanica you will have sea view , partial palm and marina view ..

I have now had a bit more time to fully digest this letter.

If you add 30 business days (4 days per week) to 15th Feb 2012, then you should end up with a final handover date of Thurs 5th April 2012.

This actually looks doable (as long as nothing else goes wrong)...:)

Another select game...
Notice of Completion should have been from 1st Jan. Meaning completion date should be 30th Jan.

SPA states "Completion Date" is the date the owners get "Possession and Occupation" of the property.
If also states owners are allowed to do inspections from the notice date. Not after completion date.

so it's not 30days from Completion date

Having gone through a torch handover I see one difference here too. The conpletion notice that arrived for the torch also had all the instructions for handover in the same pack. It seems for BC, SG are like you say trying to play words and cover their backsides and buy time. IMHO

Another select game...
Notice of Completion should have been from 1st Jan. Meaning completion date should be 30th Jan.

SPA states "Completion Date" is the date the owners get "Possession and Occupation" of the property.
If also states owners are allowed to do inspections from the notice date. Not after completion date.

so it's not 30days from Completion date

Damn i hate being put in this position as some people will no doubt call me a select employee or stooge! I am neither - just a poor investor trying to make the best of a bad hand, but here are the facts:

AZ you are wrong. Please go and check the definition of "business day" on page 3 of SPA and also check "Completion Date" as it states "the date notified to the Buyer pursuant to, and further defined in, clause 9.1;"

You are also taking the 1st Jan 2012 from clause 16.3 and applying it elsewhere to argue your case. As the notification date came to me on 28th Dec 2011 which is within the bounds set by the SPA, and therefore clause 16.3 has now no material effect.

So there is no realistic way that you could come up with 30th Jan 2012 as the handover date.

Ohh and just to be clear - Select are playing games - they started playing this game a long time ago and on other developments...The whole Force Majeure episode can be classed as a long con...with a rehersal on the torch and final sting on BC. But I digress...

Damn i hate being put in this position as some people will no doubt call me a select employee or stooge! I am neither - just a poor investor trying to make the best of a bad hand, but here are the facts:

AZ you are wrong. Please go and check the definition of "business day" on page 3 of SPA and also check "Completion Date" as it states "the date notified to the Buyer pursuant to, and further defined in, clause 9.1;"

You are also taking the 1st Jan 2012 from clause 16.3 and applying it elsewhere to argue your case. As the notification date came to me on 28th Dec 2011 which is within the bounds set by the SPA, and therefore clause 16.3 has now no material effect.

So there is no realistic way that you could come up with 30th Jan 2012 as the handover date.

Ohh and just to be clear - Select are playing games - they started playing this game a long time ago and on other developments...The whole Force Majeure episode can be classed as a long con...with a rehersal on the torch and final sting on BC. But I digress...

FWIW you are right about the business days.
And i never took you for a select employee.:)

but the completion date is when we should have the inspections complete and keys in our hand.

Thanks J39, torchowner & Imre for furniture advice, didn't realise packs commanded a 50% premium..

Hesselaar posted this in the DM thread:

It shows BC!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/438684a2.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/6666029429_fd4e97f279_b.jpg

I have enhanced the pics! :)

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/411d0169.jpg

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/9407dbbb.jpg

Great work lookes much better.

Great work lookes much better.

Thanks! Amazing what you can do with an ipad2 and snapseed!

Here's a few more!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/568de4a9.jpg

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/d2d92ca2.jpg

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13/January/2012

Bay Central

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great shots imre.. you managed too get inside yet?

great shots imre.. you managed too get inside yet?

Thanks, How did you know? :)

I was inside yesterday for viewing but couldnt take photos , the site was too busy , so many workers there.

I have seen few units of West and Central Tower , I like the bigger 1 Br of Central Tower with full marina view , thats a great layout and view!

I think still need minimum 2 months to finish everything, as they have enough workers it can be ready around March-April.

Thanks, How did you know? :)

I was inside yesterday for viewing but couldnt take photos , the site was too busy , so many workers there.

I have seen few units of West and Central Tower , I like the bigger 1 Br of Central Tower with full marina view , thats a great layout and view!

I think still need minimum 2 months to finish everything, as they have enough workers it can be ready around March-April.

Thanks imre - that has cheered me up!

Thanks, How did you know? :)

I was inside yesterday for viewing but couldnt take photos , the site was too busy , so many workers there.

I have seen few units of West and Central Tower , I like the bigger 1 Br of Central Tower with full marina view , thats a great layout and view!

I think still need minimum 2 months to finish everything, as they have enough workers it can be ready around March-April.

at last, we are on the home straight.

Thanks for the photos Imre.

Thks for the photos - they have given me a lift for the weekend.

Tweaked this one!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/cbcfa5d5.jpg [/img]

:)

Completion of the Bay Central, a cluster of three high-rises also located in Dubai Marina, is scheduled for later this quarter. One of the high-rises will function as a five-star hotel and also feature serviced apartments. The identity of the hotel operator has not been disclosed.

Progress on land bank

“All our land bank in Dubai Marina is either under construction or already completed, including the hotel which is anticipated to open in early 2013,” Eslam said.

http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidGN_12012012_130103/After_Torch_Select_Group_focuses_on_Ras_Al_Khaimah

Completion of the Bay Central, a cluster of three high-rises also located in Dubai Marina, is scheduled for later this quarter. One of the high-rises will function as a five-star hotel and also feature serviced apartments. The identity of the hotel operator has not been disclosed.

Progress on land bank

“All our land bank in Dubai Marina is either under construction or already completed, including the hotel which is anticipated to open in early 2013,” Eslam said.

http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidGN_12012012_130103/After_Torch_Select_Group_focuses_on_Ras_Al_Khaimah

That statement looks like very serious back peddaling to me! Watch this space.

I don't think anyone believes the Hotel could "open early in 2013", well maybe Slowhand.:lol:

The overall outsiude finish looks rough herE -probably same as THE POINT -just look at the cladding and glass compared to SILVERNE its like comparing a Ford with a Mercedes -- Very disapointing but not surprisng though !

The overall outsiude finish looks rough herE -probably same as THE POINT -just look at the cladding and glass compared to SILVERNE its like comparing a Ford with a Mercedes -- Very disapointing but not surprisng though !

I have been on site very recently (last week) and its exactly the same Select S##t inside and outside. Even the units that they market as luxury penthouses are just ok from far, go near and start to inspect and you will be shocked. I am not trying to alarm investors here but you should not expect much here and don't believe the Select Cheer leaders. No home straight by any stretch of the imagination. Botanica is the only one that is remotely associated with what was sold :cheers:

I have been on site very recently (last week) and its exactly the same Select S##t inside and outside. Even the units that they market as luxury penthouses are just ok from far, go near and start to inspect and you will be shocked. I am not trying to alarm investors here but you should not expect much here and don't believe the Select Cheer leaders. No home straight by any stretch of the imagination. Botanica is the only one that is remotely associated with what was sold :cheers:

Did you take any pictures?

I have been on site very recently (last week) and its exactly the same Select S##t inside and outside. Even the units that they market as luxury penthouses are just ok from far, go near and start to inspect and you will be shocked. I am not trying to alarm investors here but you should not expect much here and don't believe the Select Cheer leaders. No home straight by any stretch of the imagination. Botanica is the only one that is remotely associated with what was sold :cheers:
Why does that not surprise me ! At least it's built I guess !
hIndsight is precious eh ! :lol::lol:O

I would suggest that this press release clarifies the issue in that there is no hotel operator. From the horse's mouth, so to speak!



Completion of the Bay Central, a cluster of three high-rises also located in Dubai Marina, is scheduled for later this quarter. One of the high-rises will function as a five-star hotel and also feature serviced apartments. The identity of the hotel operator has not been disclosed.

http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidGN_12012012_130103/After_Torch_Select_Group_focuses_on_Ras_Al_Khaimah

Bay Central Owners are forming a Residents Committee please check out http://baycentralowners.lefora.com/

there is quite a few owners already registered with us, the more people we have a better effective voice

Here's my attempt at making an atmospheric picture of Bay Central!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/b760c4c6.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/1puuj6.jpg

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I've been nudged to do a few more! Thanks for the originals! The first one is now my wallpaper on my iPad!

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Great Pictures Sunny..

Bay Central Owners are forming a Residents Committee please check out http://baycentralowners.lefora.com/

there is quite a few owners already registered with us, the more people we have a better effective voice

^^This has been on the go now for over a year. Can you highlight anything that you have achieved in that time? The building is nearing completion so the chances of you having any influence now is diminishing in my opinion.

Everyone!!
I have a 1bed in BC west A1 type paid 967,147aed my saving grace is I bought all of the dirhams @7.2 to the £ in late 2006, what can I expect to get back if selling on completion. Give me time to put my TIN HAT ON lol.
Thanks Keith :cheers:

Here's one of imre's pix remastered!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/f38b0f7e.jpg

This is why we invested in Bay CENTRAL! :)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57981000/jpg/_57981605_r3548_39_satellite_image_pleiades_dubai_united_arab_emirates_2011-4.jpg

And I have turned it into a postcard that you will see every time you come to Dubai!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/ba504bba.jpg

^^^^ that's exactly what they are doing. first handover could well be in june or so. they are trying to cover their a*** legally by serving a Notice of Completion before the ultimate long stop date of 1 Jan 2012 "with effect from 15 feb 2012". only select would play with SPA words like this. no other developer have outdone them in this area.


I have been very busy finding out some facts and have just returned from Dubai. The trip was an eye opener and believe me everyone I found out some interesting facts which I will share with those who have not yet fallen to SG’s lies and well orchestrated PR games.

More to come from me and I will not hold back for those who are looking for the truth and it includes B/C investors too...

I have been very busy finding out some facts and have just returned from Dubai. The trip was an eye opener and believe me everyone I found out some interesting facts which I will share with those who have not yet fallen to SG’s lies and well orchestrated PR games.

More to come from me and I will not hold back for those who are looking for the truth and it includes B/C investors too...

Spill the beans then.

^^^^ hes the same as mackie1964 have loads of info about select but gonna share it soon.. whens soon 2020!

20/January/2012

Bay Central

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http://i39.tinypic.com/2wf7h3p.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/28gz4zs.jpg

This is why we invested in Bay CENTRAL! :)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57981000/jpg/_57981605_r3548_39_satellite_image_pleiades_dubai_united_arab_emirates_2011-4.jpg

And I have turned it into a postcard that you will see every time you come to Dubai!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/ba504bba.jpg

That really is a brilliant picture. Can you enlarge it in any way and email it to me?

That really is a brilliant picture. Can you enlarge it in any way and email it to me?

I only have the low res version off the bbc's website!

If anyone has the high res one please let me know and I would be happy to iPad it!

Heres one of Botanical with Bay Central Central tower just visible!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/d9932979.jpg

Another postcard from imre original!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/0a779491.jpg

Today with mobile

Bay Central

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:cheers:

Today with mobile

Bay Central

:cheers:

Very very nice! Thank you Imre! I see you have snapseed too!

I had to have a tweak!

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Great :)

I have one more from the Silverene

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Great :)

I have one more from the Silverene



Lovely!

Here's my conversions!

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I hope you like!

Lovely!

Here's my conversions!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/d6ecee82.jpg

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/c435e195.jpg

I hope you like!

Great thanks!

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

^^^^ hes the same as mackie1964 have loads of info about select but gonna share it soon.. whens soon 2020!

Never promised you anything and have nothing to share with you personally. I do however have a very useful and invaluable set of files that I no longer need and at the right price (It cost me to obtain and certify some of it), they could be left unintentionally somewhere :cheers:

One thing I can tell you though, the legal route definitely pays off. Good luck everyone :cheers:

Never promised you anything and have nothing to share with you personally. I do however have a very useful and invaluable set of files that I no longer need and at the right price (It cost me to obtain and certify some of it), they could be left unintentionally somewhere :cheers:

One thing I can tell you though, the legal route definitely pays off. Good luck everyone :cheers:

Absolutely, wake up everyone, people are getting refunds NOW!

Quote:
Originally Posted by micmonro1 http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=87716698#post87716698)
I totally agree with SGrCrap and I would like to inform Botanica's investors that law are on your side with regards to your unit size. If you were supplied with a unit that is 5% or more less than the size your were promised then the developer has to pay you. Also if the developer supplied you a unit that is 5% or more than the size you agreed to buy then at this situation you are not obliged to pay the difference because you can successfully argue that you did not ask the developer for more when you bought the unit and Dubai's court will accepts your rights to refuse to pay the difference. Please know your rights

I have been very busy finding out some facts and have just returned from Dubai. The trip was an eye opener and believe me everyone I found out some interesting facts which I will share with those who have not yet fallen to SG’s lies and well orchestrated PR games.

More to come from me and I will not hold back for those who are looking for the truth.

For all you movie buffs and poor souls who are now so dejected you want to give up,,, remember "Erin Brokovich"! Remember "The wizard of Oz". This is the reality. SG are preying on your fear and ignorance using smoke and mirrors. They have become extremely efficient and plausible on these forums. Do not be fooled or give in. They are not as powerful as they would have you believe. They are good at what they do! ( an ambiguous statement indeed),,, take it how you like! They spend more time monitoring and posting on these forums than they do consulting their own lawyer,,, ( yes lawyer,,,and not lawyer'S). The legal people they hire don't last more than a few months before they are quickly replaced by other unfortunate individuals who are under the misconception that SG are only "a little bit" corrupt),,, look and see! ,, these crooks have been repeatedly firing their own legal dept since 2005.

These forums are a powerful medium and SG have learned to exploit it more than you will ever know. SG 'WILL' be exposed. Investors who take them through the Dubai courts will get a refund. Don't threaten them. They will only ignore you. You need to make them see you are serious. I've been reading statements like this on these forums for four years now. I was dubious. "A few brave or rich people with nothing to lose" I thought. Turns out every word they said was true. Now I find myself in the same position as them,,only four years down the road. Do it now. Be brave. You will not fail. SG are absolutely terrified of a mutiny. The only ammunition they have is their conviction that they can fool most of the people all of the time. (you really do have to applaude them I suppose). More and more investors are beginning to listen to people like micmonro. It takes time for the truth to come out, but it's coming now. Yes, it's been a long time but please believe this will end and they will be exposed for the brazen crooks we all know they are.

Please don't sit back and wait like we did. You are in a far better position to get refunds rather than waiting for handover WHICH WE KNOW will not be achieved for another year (seen BC build for my self just recently).

By asking for a refund, you can terminate the contract meaning you NO LONGER NEED TO PAY. If SG refuses to give your refund then you WILL get your money back from arbitration. This you can do as a group to mitigate costs or as an individual and the arbitration costs will be refunded once an award is given. If you need a lawyer then please contact me.

There is no reason why you would not get your money back. Just don't make the mistake of waiting for handover because you DO NOT want to sign these addenda that will be thrown in your face.

Be the clever investors because you are getting a head start.... as the saying goes "BUYER BEWARE" so you really need to help your self as no one else can do this for you.

Please follow MY POSTS on your legal rights.

Please bear in mind though after legal advice from a dubai lawyer, it will cost you an arm and a leg to sue this company and you are probably looking at in the region of £10,000 and more in legal fees and possibly 3 years or more to get your money back.

Also if there is a mass default, there is a very good possibility the building will not even get finished and we could all lose everything, just be careful, I have already had an investigator looking in to this company and believe me they have an awful reputation and should not be trusted.

But the good thing is, their time is limited as companies like this who do not give a shit about its customers do not survive ultimately so just wait, their time is coming.

micmonro1

Have you personally pursued SG to court/arbitration and received any money back?

micmonro1

Have you personally pursued SG to court/arbitration and received any money back?

legally i don't think she can answer that question :)

Please bear in mind though after legal advice from a dubai lawyer, it will cost you an arm and a leg to sue this company and you are probably looking at in the region of £10,000 and more in legal fees and possibly 3 years or more to get your money back.

Also if there is a mass default, there is a very good possibility the building will not even get finished and we could all lose everything, just be careful, I have already had an investigator looking in to this company and believe me they have an awful reputation and should not be trusted.

But the good thing is, their time is limited as companies like this who do not give a shit about its customers do not survive ultimately so just wait, their time is coming.

But if you win you get all costs back..plus your investment.
So for those that can afford it...maybe worth the effort.

people are getting refunds NOW!

I think those people (such as HighTimes) started the legal process over 2 years ago? :dunno:

Please bear in mind though after legal advice from a dubai lawyer, it will cost you an arm and a leg to sue this company and you are probably looking at in the region of £10,000 and more in legal fees and possibly 3 years or more to get your money back.

So which is it 3 years wait or money back now? :dunno:

Is Mackie saying that if you buy the secret x-files from him you will get your money back now and not have to wait for the legal process to complete over 3 years. :dunno:

Seems that everyone here is trying to make money in any way possible :lol:

legally i don't think she can answer that question :)

why not - her identity is unknown to anybody viewing this forum.

.....snip............


Seems that everyone here is trying to make money in any way possible :lol:

Money is for Shelter and there is enough takers. Best offer to Charity gets it :cheers:

Will be back in a few months :wave:

Money is for Shelter and there is enough takers. Best offer to Charity gets it :cheers:

Will be back in a few months :wave:

What should we offer Charity? Does she dress up?

Also is this now becoming x-files ebay central? :)

why not - her identity is unknown to anybody viewing this forum.

not strictly true

I think those people (such as HighTimes) started the legal process over 2 years ago? :dunno:



So which is it 3 years wait or money back now? :dunno:

Is Mackie saying that if you buy the secret x-files from him you will get your money back now and not have to wait for the legal process to complete over 3 years. :dunno:

Seems that everyone here is trying to make money in any way possible :lol:

Dubai_Steve you seem to be patrolling the various threads and everytime some suggests taking Select to court you counter and say how hard it is how long it will take.
Have you taken Select to court and therefore you have first hand evidence?

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I wonder if they bought the space or are just renting.

It seems Marina Plaza is opening then? Very good news.

has anyone been sent confirmed notice if handover

has anyone been sent confirmed notice if handover

Nope - just that it will be soon!

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A reduced service!! How can you reduce the service that is already one level below non existent and useless.......:ohno:

A reduced service!! How can you reduce the service that is already one level below non existent and useless.......:ohno:

Don't worry, the best has yet to come. Their handover service is 5 star.

Don't worry, the best has yet to come. Their handover service is 5 star.

yeah dont worry will be better than silverene!! :lol:

yeah dont worry will be better than silverene!! :lol:

Nothing more sure in life apart from death! :laugh:

Ture blue go clean silverene windows your buddies are in trouble..

everyone should look at the silverene thread.. not happy tenants there..

Imre Confirmed no problem at the Torch and Botantica, different story at silverene..

Ture blue go clean silverene windows your buddies are in trouble..

everyone should look at the silverene thread.. not happy tenants there..

Imre Confirmed no problem at the Torch and Botantica, different story at silverene..

Thanks Blippe!

Everyone should read the Silverene thread then be thankful they bought in BC.

Thanks Blippe!

Everyone should read the Silverene thread then be thankful they bought in BC.

Ture blue go clean silverene windows your buddies are in trouble..

everyone should look at the silverene thread.. not happy tenants there..

Imre Confirmed no problem at the Torch and Botantica, different story at silverene..

you got your bucket and sponge out!

just warning the tenants.. so they don't get stung with cayan's five star Service..

Torch and Botantica Renting out well... tenants happy!!

you got your bucket and sponge out!

just warning the tenants.. so they don't get stung with cayan's five star Service..

Torch and Botantica Renting out well... tenants happy!!

Yip, and bungee rope. Just jump off the top of the buildings with a wet sponge and clean as I do the bouncey! :lol:

Be sure to read the complaints that are being posted on the Silverene thread BEFORE they take the issues up with their landlords. :nuts:

C'mon Murray!

Bepee good luck with your completion. Whenever that might be.

Oh the good news is Select are moving offices.... next to Silverene Tower :banana:....location...location.

Bepee good luck with your completion. Whenever that might be.

Oh the good news is Select are moving offices.... next to Silverene Tower :banana:....location...location.

Good luck with all our common area, gym and pool finished off.. maybe this year your have a completed building.. so your tenants can enjoy..

Bepee good luck with your completion. Whenever that might be.

Oh the good news is Select are moving offices.... next to Silverene Tower :banana:....location...location.

Apparently there was a lot more free office space on that side of the water in comparison to the beach side......:)

Yip, and bungee rope. Just jump off the top of the buildings with a wet sponge and clean as I do the bouncey! :lol:

Be sure to read the complaints that are being posted on the Silverene thread BEFORE they take the issues up with their landlords. :nuts:

C'mon Murray!

True blue ashamed masked windows cleaner.. helping out cyans cash flow Problem

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^^:lol:

No amount of cleaning is gonna make BC look like the renders :laugh:

It's like a kindergarten here

True blue ashamed masked windows cleaner.. helping out cyans cash flow Problem

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Beppe even though you're clearly looking through rose tinted glasses at SELECTS developments that was funny :lol:

But BC still got at least 6 months to go at least and windows wont be clean ever there -- mine been waiting for a year at THE POINT to be cleaned :cheers:

Mybe i'll get Spidee down there too :lol::lol:

It's like a kindergarten here

No PRE SCHOOL we call it :lol:

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True blue ashamed masked windows cleaner.. helping out cyans cash flow Problem



That is an imposter! Everyone knows I only hang out beach side!

Dubai_Steve you seem to be patrolling the various threads and everytime some suggests taking Select to court you counter and say how hard it is how long it will take.
Have you taken Select to court and therefore you have first hand evidence?

Dubai Steve hasn't taken anyone to court. Dubai Steve,, FWIW, and a host of others are all SG. They were exposed over a year ago

Dubai Steve hasn't taken anyone to court. Dubai Steve,, FWIW, and a host of others are all SG. They were exposed over a year ago

You what? I am not SG - you are SG!

I am an investor that has done a deal with people who had no intention of delivering on the agreed SPA. How dare you accuse me! Most here know my name, email and phone number. Some have even been in my apartment and taken photos for me to see.

FFS - i may foxtrot Oscar from this forum as this is an insult! This will be a hard thing for me to do as the facts are that I have been a member since 2004 whilst this accuser has been a member since 17 Jan 2012. I will let the facts speak for themselves and I expect an apology from the night.

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BUSBY'S BABES ? :lol:

Dubai Steve hasn't taken anyone to court. Dubai Steve,, FWIW, and a host of others are all SG. They were exposed over a year ago

Dont think SG could afford that payroll ! -they can't even get my windows cleaned at THE POINT !! :lol::lol:

Dubai Steve hasn't taken anyone to court. Dubai Steve,, FWIW, and a host of others are all SG. They were exposed over a year ago

I'm afraid your facts are wrong. I know FWIW and have been in his apartment a few times or perhaps I'm SG as well??:ohno:

You what? I am not SG - you are SG!

I am an investor that has done a deal with people who had no intention of delivering on the agreed SPA. How dare you accuse me! Most here know my name, email and phone number. Some have even been in my apartment and taken photos for me to see.

FFS - i may foxtrot Oscar from this forum as this is an insult! This will be a hard thing for me to do as the facts are that I have been a member since 2004 whilst this accuser has been a member since 17 Jan 2012. I will let the facts speak for themselves and I expect an apology from the night.

Calm down ya big drama queen!:lol:

I've got the same problem on the Silverene thread with newbies posting just to stir things up.;)

No true blue we don't have the same problem!

I was trying to stay out of the silverene thread but I actually agree with s4rah and NOT with you! Lol!

People that pay 1 year in advance for their rent should have excellent service in my view. As a landlord I wish my tenants well and hope they get value for money and more importantly happiness!

True Blue Showing his True Colours cant take it cayan messed up and silverene tenants not happy..

Torch and Botantic Tenants are happy..

Botantic cost loads more.. yeah but do there tenants care..!! they want to have a nice clean building with all services complete.. good rental value..

Cayan Reputation is going down.. so should the Rent!!

Beppe!! you are a bigger fool then I thought you were.

Beppe!! you are a bigger fool then I thought you were.

I don't care what you think.

Don't be a fool and get wrapped up in true blue cayan love.

I don't care what you think.

Don't be a fool and get wrapped up in true blue cayan love.

Yeah!

hope you get your apartment soon.....:lol:

True Blue Showing his True Colours cant take it cayan messed up and silverene tenants not happy..

Torch and Botantic Tenants are happy..

Botantic cost loads more.. yeah but do there tenants care..!! they want to have a nice clean building with all services complete.. good rental value..

Cayan Reputation is going down.. so should the Rent!!

I notice you left The Point out of that list, any reason why?

Cayan are upsetting residents by giving verbal promises on pool, gym etc and are not meeting these promises. How many promises have Select broken so far Beppe? Seems like you are not comparing the level of service on a level playing field.

Dubai Steve hasn't taken anyone to court. Dubai Steve,, FWIW, and a host of others are all SG. They were exposed over a year ago
I have known FWIW for a long time. he is not SG. I have to say apology from night is in order

You what? I am not SG - you are SG!

I am an investor that has done a deal with people who had no intention of delivering on the agreed SPA. How dare you accuse me! Most here know my name, email and phone number. Some have even been in my apartment and taken photos for me to see.

FFS - i may foxtrot Oscar from this forum as this is an insult! This will be a hard thing for me to do as the facts are that I have been a member since 2004 whilst this accuser has been a member since 17 Jan 2012. I will let the facts speak for themselves and I expect an apology from the night.

FWIW Just as a matter of interest what "DEAL" did you do with SG ?

FWIW Just as a matter of interest what "DEAL" did you do with SG ?

In 2007 I signed up to purchase an apartment in bay central that would be ready in 2 years!

How about you?

I'm afraid your facts are wrong. I know FWIW and have been in his apartment a few times or perhaps I'm SG as well??:ohno:

Your afraid my facts are wrong!! I'm afraid your logic is wrong! If they are wrong ,,,,how can they be facts? ,,,, and if they are facts how can they be wrong?
Confused??

Your afraid my facts are wrong!! I'm afraid your logic is wrong! If they are wrong ,,,,how can they be facts? ,,,, and if they are facts how can they be wrong?
Confused??

Oooooh a little bit of verbal sparring. Address the issue here and don't change the subject. You are in the wrong here, there are many people that know FWIW and you are making groundless accusations against him. FWIW has been an owner in Bay Central for as long as I have. Now that is a fact!:)

In 2007 I signed up to purchase an apartment in bay central that would be ready in 2 years!

How about you?

DITTO --THOUGHT YOU'D DONE A "DEAL" NOT TO SUE :)

DITTO --THOUGHT YOU'D DONE A "DEAL" NOT TO SUE :)

Didn't think you were an investor in bay central?!

I might still need to sue once they give me the addendum! It would be nice if some of the torch investors broke radio silence - I mean by now I would have thought the courts would have made a decision!

I used to read this forum with joy looking at all the nice photos and getting real time updates from investors in Bay Central who have been on or near the site as select properties dont give a damn about us. But all I seem to read now is bitchyness which is ruining this forum.
We are all entitled to our opinion but please can we have a bit less spite??
Thanks
W1903

I used to read this forum with joy looking at all the nice photos and getting real time updates from investors in Bay Central who have been on or near the site as select properties dont give a damn about us. But all I seem to read now is bitchyness which is ruining this forum.
We are all entitled to our opinion but please can we have a bit less spite??
Thanks
W1903

You are absolutely right Neal!

To kick off here are three tweaked versions from mark aka dxbpc original pics:

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I wouldn't like to be the unfortunate owners of those studios that are facing that mechanical plant building. Don't think it featured on the original models and renders.

Mark was kind enough to share the original with me - here's my version:

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You can just see central tower on right hand side!

Didn't think you were an investor in bay central?!

I might still need to sue once they give me the addendum! It would be nice if some of the torch investors broke radio silence - I mean by now I would have thought the courts would have made a decision!

Yes i'm in here unfortunately - I'm told quite a few are in Arbitration in THE TORCH -- but i dont know of any "victories" as such

Yes i'm in here unfortunately - I'm told quite a few are in Arbitration in THE TORCH -- but i dont know of any "victories" as such

You in west or central?

I have a friend who invested in palm springs and I don't think getting your money back after 8 years of stress and whilst paying lawyers fees is a "victory". Well maybe for Damac and the lawyers...

Yes i'm in here unfortunately - I'm told quite a few are in Arbitration in THE TORCH -- but i dont know of any "victories" as such

Yes, you are correct,,,, Arbitration has been successful for many investors.

Why would SG want "victories" splashed all over these forums?

Wonder what agreement they reached?

All the regular disgruntled contributors to these forums who spent so much time threatening legal action have disappeared into thin air.
Do you think they 'gave up' ,,,,, or did SG just have them all shot? Investor activity on these forums is now a fraction of what it was a year ago.
The only regular contributors left are 'SG', 'Imre',, people who signed addendums and others who seem to be overly concerned about the views from their balcony's.

So many of those unhappy people who 'posted' with such conviction ARE gone. How come?

They have reached an amicable resolution and signed gagging clause. Remember 'Mistermark'. He DID tell us a long time ago

You in west or central?

I have a friend who invested in palm springs and I don't think getting your money back after 8 years of stress and whilst paying lawyers fees is a "victory". Well maybe for Damac and the lawyers...

HSBC were fined over £10 million for miss selling investment products to people who were likely to die before they matured. Why are Select and Damac in the UK immune from this type of prosecution? To sign a contract stating BC will be ready in 2009 was downright lies and deception.

http://money.aol.co.uk/2011/12/05/bank-fined-10-5m-over-mis-selling/?ncid=wsc-uk-money-headline

Yes, you are correct,,,, Arbitration has been successful for many investors.

Why would SG want "victories" splashed all over these forums?

Wonder what agreement they reached?

All the regular disgruntled contributors to these forums who spent so much time threatening legal action have disappeared into thin air.
Do you think they 'gave up' ,,,,, or did SG just have them all shot? Investor activity on these forums is now a fraction of what it was a year ago.
The only regular contributors left are 'SG', 'Imre',, people who signed addendums and others who seem to be overly concerned about the views from their balcony's.

So many of those unhappy people who 'posted' with such conviction ARE gone. How come?

They have reached an amicable resolution and signed gagging clause. Remember 'Mistermark'. He DID tell us a long time ago

Quite :)

HSBC were fined over £10 million for miss selling investment products to people who were likely to die before they matured. Why are Select and Damac in the UK immune from this type of prosecution? To sign a contract stating BC will be ready in 2009 was downright lies and deception.

http://money.aol.co.uk/2011/12/05/bank-fined-10-5m-over-mis-selling/?ncid=wsc-uk-money-headline

Quite agree --but blood doesnt come out of a stone does it ? :lol::lol:

Or does it ???? Lets see :lol:

Another pic that I have tinkered with!

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Same pic different style!

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Another pic that I have tinkered with!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i371/fwiwfwiw/74947747.jpg

Same pic different style!

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You are showing off now!

@FWIW: It would have worked much better in B&W. Added noise and normal colours do not mix well ;)

Bay Central made slide two of arabianbusiness.com Glitzy Emirate Skyline.


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w ould like more info on legal proceedure & solicitors on the know who have already dealt with this. cheers steve

3/February/2012

Bay Central

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Great Pictures imre.. thanks alot

are those red things on top lights?

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The mechanical floors on the East Tower look like they are on different levels from the other 2 towers.

symmetry will be off then

topped out?

topped out?

No, around 7 or 8 floors to go yet

symmetry will be off then

I'm not sure how they will deal with the podium either. To the west there are villas but not sure they can have villas in front of the East tower as access might be an issue. You would expect that if it is a hotel then the podium would be the place to have the function suite/conference rooms/ restaurants etc. So symetry might have to be sacraficed here also.

The facade detail over the villas just looks strange being cut off so abruptly on the right. I assume they will tie into this with the East tower construction.

topped out?

Looks like April before it will be topped out. Unusual to see a fast track build so advanced without any curtain walling underway.

Imre - you are one in a billion! For nearly 5 years you and your pictures have kept me going on this build! Not long now - I hope!

Here's a few remixed!

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Welcome FWIW:)

The whole project should be ready this year at least from outside.

Looks like April before it will be topped out. Unusual to see a fast track build so advanced without any curtain walling underway.

Cladding will be fast , same contractor as the Mazaya Business Avenue and Botanica, they are doing really good job.

Cladding will be fast , same contractor as the Mazaya Business Avenue and Botanica, they are doing really good job.

I don't doubt it is possible, it also means that cladding will have less damage. I am just a little suspicious that they are still finalising the design as the build is not progressing as fast as it could. The podium is well behind and some of the blockwork seems hit and miss. In all of the visits to Dubai last year they were not working during the night and floor progress has been less than a floor a week.

I guess this entire Hotel thing is still a moving target and probably the desicion was taken to get the structure up to minimise interference with the other 2 residential towers.

From the Silverene thread;

Hi TB can I ask if you are deliberately trying to degrade BC without ever having been there yourself, to be honest it is starting to look very impressive, I have been told the pool area is going to look very high spec:) the contrast with JBR in the back ground is breath taking at times and from the Marina Mall one gets a shiney shimmer in the towers glass from the water if you see it in the right light. Is this the start of SG getting the project right??? b4 you answer give me 5 minutes to go and put me tin hat on lol:banana:

Why don't you make the effort to go back to the start of this thread and read it from the begining before you make stupid remarks about the validity of my opinions.

In my opinion there is nothing outstanding or eyecatching about the design. The renders and sales model were quite impressive but the actual delivered building is a let down. The original design of the roof feature on Central tower has been reduced to about 10% of its original form, how do you justify that to your customers? Do you honestly think that the design or building fabric lives up to the standard of Trident Grand Residence or Marinascape for example? It certainly should because it sold for a lot more than these projects.

You paid for a Mercedes E Class and you are getting a Toyota Camry, still does the job but not what you paid for! Maybe you will realise that when you come to sell. Check out the resales for Botanica, average 20-25% negative equity, OUCH!!

I think the rest of the marina has been duped also by the poor show by Select. Silverene has been handed over now and it has a striking design with very clean lines and almost unique in that it is clad entirely with glass in 2 tones. It also benefits from a striking night light theme.

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Are there any mods that can stop all these party political broadcasts from the cayan corporation?

From the Silverene thread;



Why don't you make the effort to go back to the start of this thread and read it from the begining before you make stupid remarks about the validity of my opinions.

In my opinion there is nothing outstanding or eyecatching about the design. The renders and sales model were quite impressive but the actual delivered building is a let down. The original design of the roof feature on Central tower has been reduced to about 10% of its original form, how do you justify that to your customers? Do you honestly think that the design or building fabric lives up to the standard of Trident Grand Residence or Marinascape for example? It certainly should because it sold for a lot more than these projects.

You paid for a Mercedes E Class and you are getting a Toyota Camry, still does the job but not what you paid for! Maybe you will realise that when you come to sell. Check out the resales for Botanica, average 20-25% negative equity, OUCH!!

I think the rest of the marina has been duped also by the poor show by Select. Silverene has been handed over now and it has a striking design with very clean lines and almost unique in that it is clad entirely with glass in 2 tones. It also benefits from a striking night light theme.
TB I really do like reading most of your posts because you seem to have a good all round Knowledge which I find very helpful, however as an owner in BC I find the hooray!!! hooray!!! Silverene and bash bash bash BC a bit harsh we have all spent hard earned money on what we hope in the long term will give us a good return on our investment, both apt blocks are in great locations and when "and it will" the financial market improves we will receive our just rewards in the mean time I wish you every success with your buys and when the dust settles and everyone has had the chance of visiting each others homes an opinion based on fact will determine how nice the builds are untill then try and consider other owners feelings please.

Are there any mods that can stop all these party political broadcasts from the cayan corporation?

TB I really do like reading most of your posts because you seem to have a good all round Knowledge which I find very helpful, however as an owner in BC I find the hooray!!! hooray!!! Silverene and bash bash bash BC a bit harsh we have all spent hard earned money on what we hope in the long term will give us a good return on our investment, both apt blocks are in great locations and when "and it will" the financial market improves we will receive our just rewards in the mean time I wish you every success with your buys and when the dust settles and everyone has had the chance of visiting each others homes an opinion based on fact will determine how nice the builds are untill then try and consider other owners feelings please.

Same old same old. Someone directly challenges my "opinion" and I get the slaughtered for answering!!:llama:

^^There isn't a smiley for :scapegoat: so that one will have to do:laugh:

BTW, there is no personal agenda with me, I get accused of it on the other threads also. I have lived through the birth of all these babies in the marina, so even though I might not be the father(owner), I still have my favourites, (if you follow the analogy:)) I really don't care much for the rest of the districts in Dubai, just the marina and I know practically every nook and cranny because I have walked 500 miles in the marina and I would walk 500 more!

I know your baby may not be the prettiest to others but to you it will always be the best, because it is yours. I only have one or two more babies to deliver then I'm not sure what I will do with my spare time. S'pose I could babysit West Avenue. :lol:

All the best!

Are there any mods that can stop all these party political broadcasts from the cayan corporation?

Seconded - its extremely boring to have every thread spammed :ohno:

Read his original post. he ask for True Blue's opinion & he got the true answer...that's all.

If you do not want to hear the truth :ohno: then don't ask.

Read his original post. he ask for True Blue's opinion & he got the true answer...that's all.

If you do not want to hear the truth :ohno: then don't ask.

Agree -- i can tell you i have bought lots off SELECT GROUP and wish to god how it had been from CAYAN --oh what wonderful a asset is hindsight !

And TB knows more about this industry than most of his critics put together FACT !

TOTALLY RIGHT Jeetha.

I will tell you exactly why TB speaks about BC how he does..... Because everything he says is 100% spot on correct.

All we seem to see on this thread from BC Buyers is total rubbish trying to talk up a dreadful development and justify why they made a dreadful business mistake buying such an overpriced unit from Dubai's WORST developer without bothering to do any due diligence.

Add that the constant smoke screens and lies from clear Select employees, and you have the joke that is most of this thread.

I mean, come on, I have been reading posts from as recent as 2011 saying "Handover January 2012", and "best location in the marina", and "top quality development". What do you expect people to comment on to such misleading rubbish??? :bash:

Read his original post. he ask for True Blue's opinion & he got the true answer...that's all.

If you do not want to hear the truth :ohno: then don't ask.

TOTALLY RIGHT Jeetha.

I will tell you exactly why TB speaks about BC how he does..... Because everything he says is 100% spot on correct.

All we seem to see on this thread from BC Buyers is total rubbish trying to talk up a dreadful development and justify why they made a dreadful business mistake buying such an overpriced unit from Dubai's WORST developer without bothering to do any due diligence.

Add that the constant smoke screens and lies from clear Select employees, and you have the joke that is most of this thread.

I mean, come on, I have been reading posts from as recent as 2011 saying "Handover January 2012", and "best location in the marina", and "top quality development". What do you expect people to comment on to such misleading rubbish??? :bash:Good Post Bash Bash BC what are you really frightened of.

Good Post Bash Bash BC what are you really frightened of.

Pele - can I suggest that the next time you want to ask TB a question you Private Message him first? Thanks!

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Has anybody received handover letters. As per BC letter, people should have started moving in!!!

Good Post Bash Bash BC what are you really frightened of.

Pele - can I suggest that the next time you want to ask TB a question you Private Message him first? Thanks!

Yeah or you get 7 post from all his brainwashed worshipers!

Yeah or you get 7 post from all his brainwashed worshipers!


"BAY CENTRAL EXPECTED DELIVERY MOVES TO 2013 AS 3rd TOWER AND IT’S PODIUM IS ON HOLD"........ Unfortunately guys, the people you are dealing with are complete idiots. They do not understand the value of their word, or of the word "TRUTH". They will not start the hotel in the forseeable future. Anything they tell u is complete BS. Shame they cannot just tell the truth.....


Yes, beware of the Cayan mafia, above is what one of them said about the East (hotel tower). yes its late but it will top out in the next couple of months. Wonder when we shall expect them to say WE WERE WRONG....:)

"BAY CENTRAL EXPECTED DELIVERY MOVES TO 2013 AS 3rd TOWER AND IT’S PODIUM IS ON HOLD"........ Unfortunately guys, the people you are dealing with are complete idiots. They do not understand the value of their word, or of the word "TRUTH". They will not start the hotel in the forseeable future. Anything they tell u is complete BS. Shame they cannot just tell the truth.....


Yes, beware of the Cayan mafia, above is what one of them said about the East (hotel tower). yes its late but it will top out in the next couple of months. Wonder when we shall expect them to say WE WERE WRONG....:)

Wayne , sorry i'm confused have SELECT come clean with REAL delivery date ?

I've had no notification ?

"BAY CENTRAL EXPECTED DELIVERY MOVES TO 2013 AS 3rd TOWER AND IT’S PODIUM IS ON HOLD"........ Unfortunately guys, the people you are dealing with are complete idiots. They do not understand the value of their word, or of the word "TRUTH". They will not start the hotel in the forseeable future. Anything they tell u is complete BS. Shame they cannot just tell the truth.....


Yes, beware of the Cayan mafia, above is what one of them said about the East (hotel tower). yes its late but it will top out in the next couple of months. Wonder when we shall expect them to say WE WERE WRONG....:)

Wayne

There is a name for them - Internet trolls. Apart from Imre posting great photos there have been very few useful or informative posts on SSC about BC. I have been very slow in realising this and have wasted far too much time but no more.

Slowhand

Wayne , sorry i'm confused have SELECT come clean with REAL delivery date ?

I've had no notification ?

Hi ManU, No the post was put on SSC by one of the Cayan mafia 18 months ago about Bay Central and also the Hotel tower. It just goes to show, not even the Cayan boys can be right all the time......:)

Pele - can I suggest that the next time you want to ask TB a question you Private Message him first? Thanks!
Point noted will do.:)

"BAY CENTRAL EXPECTED DELIVERY MOVES TO 2013 AS 3rd TOWER AND IT’S PODIUM IS ON HOLD"........ Unfortunately guys, the people you are dealing with are complete idiots. They do not understand the value of their word, or of the word "TRUTH". They will not start the hotel in the forseeable future. Anything they tell u is complete BS. Shame they cannot just tell the truth.....


Yes, beware of the Cayan mafia, above is what one of them said about the East (hotel tower). yes its late but it will top out in the next couple of months. Wonder when we shall expect them to say WE WERE WRONG....:)

Hi ManU, No the post was put on SSC by one of the Cayan mafia 18 months ago about Bay Central and also the Hotel tower. It just goes to show, not even the Cayan boys can be right all the time......:)

"Bay Central" is a 3 tower development that includes a Hotel!!

Read the post again and you will see it is spot on accurate, especially given that it was posted 18 months ago when all of the many start dates from Select had expired. The "TRUTH" today is that no one knows what, who or when the hotel will be confirmed, named or opened?

Wayne

There is a name for them - Internet trolls. Apart from Imre posting great photos there have been very few useful or informative posts on SSC about BC. I have been very slow in realising this and have wasted far too much time but no more.

Slowhand

The reason you don't post so regularly now is that you have been exposed as a guesser or liar! Point me to one fact that you have posted?

I have posted plenty of my own pictures and facts relating to BC which should have been helpful to BC investors. People seem to have "select-ive" memories!

"Bay Central" is a 3 tower development that includes a Hotel!!

Read the post again and you will see it is spot on accurate, especially given that it was posted 18 months ago when all of the many start dates from Select had expired. The "TRUTH" today is that no one knows what, who or when the hotel will be confirmed, named or opened?

I'm reading the post again but I don't see how it is spot on accurate when it states they will not start the hotel in the forseeable future when the hotel tower (which was never going to be built 18 months ago according to many) will be topped out in 2 months. Nobody is happy about the delay, why would we be? But...it's being built when others who did not have any information to justify their comments said it wouldn't be and that's a fact

Hi ManU, No the post was put on SSC by one of the Cayan mafia 18 months ago about Bay Central and also the Hotel tower. It just goes to show, not even the Cayan boys can be right all the time......:)

Oh OK I see :)but TB's not far out in the end :)-- i,m still not convinced the two towers cab be handed over without the Hotel actually -- nothing will surprise me here -- i;ve got a few e-mails from SELECT over the years detailing the deceit over build times and hand over dates which will come in usefu for me soon .

However I sincerely hope this development will be finished soon for you guys and one thing in its favour is the location -- just wish it was the quality we were promised at the date of delivery promised too -- as i said before you live and learn eh ! My family have NEVER cheated in business and it took me a long time to realise i had possibly been cheated here ---hindsight is wonderfu eh !

SG may be in a stronger financia position than me but morally I got the high ground and i aren't giving it up

I'm reading the post again but I don't see how it is spot on accurate when it states they will not start the hotel in the forseeable future when the hotel tower (which was never going to be built 18 months ago according to many) will be topped out in 2 months. Nobody is happy about the delay, why would we be? But...it's being built when others who did not have any information to justify their comments said it wouldn't be and that's a fact

Let me try and put it this way; Do you have any factual evidence that conclusively, and without doubt, proves that the third tower is a Hotel? Today, NO! So therefore that post remains entirely correct.

Yes a building is going up next door and well late, however Aslan himself has stated in the press recently that they don't have any deal with any hotel operator. Should that appear suspicious? Yes, a new hotel has mysteriously popped up next door!!

Once we know FOR SURE that this is opening as a hotel, then that will be your cue to jump all over the "Cayan Mafia". But to be honest, that will be so far away that it will be meaningless. Hotels don't get fitted out overnight!

Let me try and put it this way; Do you have any factual evidence that conclusively, and without doubt, proves that the third tower is a Hotel? Today, NO! So therefore that post remains entirely correct.

Yes a building is going up next door and well late, however Aslan himself has stated in the press recently that they don't have any deal with any hotel operator. Should that appear suspicious? Yes, a new hotel has mysteriously popped up next door!!

Once we know FOR SURE that this is opening as a hotel, then that will be your cue to jump all over the "Cayan Mafia". But to be honest, that will be so far away that it will be meaningless. Hotels don't get fitted out overnight!

My SPA states third tower will be a hotel! If not, then I will have some grounds to go legal route!

My SPA states third tower will be a hotel! If not, then I will have some grounds to go legal route!

So you will not be signing the addendum absolving them of any liability for their failures now and in the future?

So you will not be signing the addendum absolving them of any liability for their failures now and in the future?

You asked for factual evidence - I gave you factual evidence!

I will not absolve SG of anything!

I also don't think that the third floor is a hotel.

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I also don't think that the third floor is a hotel.

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You mean say "the third tower" will not be a hotel.

My SPA states third tower will be a hotel! If not, then I will have some grounds to go legal route!

SPA states A LOT that's not there now :lol::lol:

There is NO THIRD tower now it's a seperate development now remember :lol:) --so many discrepancies it is lawyers dream :cheers:

Oh BTW check if any mention of the addendums in the SPA too ?

Favourite for Select handover sequence looking now like Torch middle of 2011, Botanica following on Jan 2012 then BC April 2012.

^^Posted in October 2010.:D

Was looking at the contractors build sequence and start of curtain walling at Botanica when I found this post, delivered with spooky accuracy. Eat that Slowhand! See how it is too accurate to be a complete guess.

So the conclusion I came to after looking at the sequence of Botanica is that there is something not right about the fact that the East tower is almost topped out yet there is no sign of a podium or curtain walling. As there is never any facts released from Select, we can only speculate and I would speculate that the decision on the final use of the building has been delayed, hence the final detailing may be awaiting approval.

Look at this picture of Botanica at the same stage as BC East and you will see what I mean. The tower is clad and the podium is structurally complete, yet there are still a few floors of the tower to cast;

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5287/5253631360_50f2ccabb6_b.jpg

Some more facts;

The start of construction of East tower was delayed by 2 full years after the start of the other 2 towers.

The main contractor of East tower has been on site now for 15 months, or 1.25 years.

Comparing with the progress at Botanica, East tower is progressing at a slower pace than Botanica did over the same period.

Oh OK I see :)but TB's not far out in the end :)-- i,m still not convinced the two towers cab be handed over without the Hotel actually -- nothing will surprise me here -- i;ve got a few e-mails from SELECT over the years detailing the deceit over build times and hand over dates which will come in usefu for me soon .

However I sincerely hope this development will be finished soon for you guys and one thing in its favour is the location -- just wish it was the quality we were promised at the date of delivery promised too -- as i said before you live and learn eh ! My family have NEVER cheated in business and it took me a long time to realise i had possibly been cheated here ---hindsight is wonderfu eh !

SG may be in a stronger financia position than me but morally I got the high ground and i aren't giving it up

Hi ManU, No what you have said is very fair. Unfortunately, if you look back I dont think one construction milestone was ever achieved. Remember the days when we used to get updates with construction milestones on.....

Let me try and put it this way; Do you have any factual evidence that conclusively, and without doubt, proves that the third tower is a Hotel? Today, NO! So therefore that post remains entirely correct.

Yes a building is going up next door and well late, however Aslan himself has stated in the press recently that they don't have any deal with any hotel operator. Should that appear suspicious? Yes, a new hotel has mysteriously popped up next door!!

Once we know FOR SURE that this is opening as a hotel, then that will be your cue to jump all over the "Cayan Mafia". But to be honest, that will be so far away that it will be meaningless. Hotels don't get fitted out overnight!

Let me throw that right back at you. Do you have any conclusive proof that the 3rd tower (that was never going to be built) wont be a hotel? I wont be jumping over the Cayan Mafia when it's complete in March 2013 but let's have a beer on it in the hotel bar that it will be a hotel and it will still be Marriot group

Let me throw that right back at you. Do you have any conclusive proof that the 3rd tower (that was never going to be built) wont be a hotel? I wont be jumping over the Cayan Mafia when it's complete in March 2013 but let's have a beer on it in the hotel bar that it will be a hotel and it will still be Marriot group

That's not how it works unfortunately. I'm defending our position over your allegation, therefore the onus is on you to provide the conclusive evidence:)

You could easily get a job with the England FA with that attitude.:lol:

That's not how it works unfortunately. I'm defending our position over your allegation, therefore the onus is on you to provide the conclusive evidence:)

You could easily get a job with the England FA with that attitude.:lol:

Or last weekends attendance at Ibrox could easily be accomodated in the new East tower :banana:

I'm not the one that said the East tower wouldnt be built in the forseeable future and look what we have....a huge erection! well fancy that. There's no value speculating over this as it will be a hotel and you will owe me a pint in the bar next year :cheers:

Ladies & Gentlemen,

The net is closing in on Rahail Aslam. We are making headway with a very senior official at the Dubai government. We have been collecting information on how Mr Aslam has been behaving towards investors and will soon be publishing a file disclosing facts that fully incriminate Mr Aslam.

Anyone wishing to get money out of SG or any of its little subsidiaries, my advice is to do it quickly. I don’t think SG will be around next year.

Heres just a small sample of some data which tells you everything you need to know about Rahail Aslam and his crooked ways.

An excerpt for the lazy;

“Sir Martin Nourse, delivering the Court’s judgment, found that CIL was unable to rely upon the good faith defence because its controller, Mr Aslam, must have known that the £50,000 payment that CIL received was actually made by the Company, rather than by Mr Susca personally, and that the payment was made at a time when the Company was insolvent.”

Full ruling;

http://www.mayerbrown.com/london/article.asp?id=3338&nid=369 (http://www.mayerbrown.com/london/article.asp?id=3338&nid=369)

10/February/2012

Bay Central

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great shots imre you been inside again?

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great shots imre you been inside again?

Thanks, just seen from outside..

Ladies & Gentlemen,

The net is closing in on Rahail Aslam. We are making headway with a very senior official at the Dubai government. We have been collecting information on how Mr Aslam has been behaving towards investors and will soon be publishing a file disclosing facts that fully incriminate Mr Aslam.

Anyone wishing to get money out of SG or any of its little subsidiaries, my advice is to do it quickly. I don’t think SG will be around next year.

Heres just a small sample of some data which tells you everything you need to know about Rahail Aslam and his crooked ways.

An excerpt for the lazy;

“Sir Martin Nourse, delivering the Court’s judgment, found that CIL was unable to rely upon the good faith defence because its controller, Mr Aslam, must have known that the £50,000 payment that CIL received was actually made by the Company, rather than by Mr Susca personally, and that the payment was made at a time when the Company was insolvent.”

Full ruling;

http://www.mayerbrown.com/london/article.asp?id=3338&nid=369 (http://www.mayerbrown.com/london/article.asp?id=3338&nid=369)


All I want to say after some good advice from a lawyer in dubai is that unless you have pots of cash to sue this bunch of cowboys, it is probably better off just sitting tight and hoping not too many people sue this firm as if they become bankrupt, the building will not get finished.

As we can see there is still loads to do and I dont want to have a half built holiday home.

I also firmly believe they will go bust soon anyway as a company with the amount of scruples they have can not survive with a reputation like this. If they have just communicated decently and honestly instead of people like Giles Beswick being paid to patronise me like im some idiot school boy, the honest approach would probably have appeased most investors and they wouldnt have the problems they are having now.

How much is a one bed apartment in Bay Central worth do you think please?

How much is a one bed apartment in Bay Central worth do you think please?

if you are buying from Select between AED750k-950k

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/?pb__Country__c=Dubai&pb__UnitBedrooms__c=1&min_pb__PurchaseListPrice__c=20000&max_pb__PurchaseListPrice__c=1020000

The low water views from this one are stunning!

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/dubai/bay-central-central/a0AD000000JoOVTMA3/

I would just be a little cautious about the "serviced by 5 star Boutique Hotel" claim. If it happens it could be quite pricey.

The low water views from this one are stunning!

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/dubai/bay-central-central/a0AD000000JoOVTMA3/

I would just be a little cautious about the "serviced by 5 star Boutique Hotel" claim. If it happens it could be quite pricey.

unfortunately i don't have one of those...:ohno:

The low water views from this one are stunning!

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/dubai/bay-central-central/a0AD000000JoOVTMA3/

I would just be a little cautious about the "serviced by 5 star Boutique Hotel" claim. If it happens it could be quite pricey.

TB welcome back we were worried about you when we heard about Rangers. No rope nearby I hope.....:ohno:

The views from this apartment are just about as good as it gets and so is the really long balcony.:)

TB welcome back we were worried about you when we heard about Rangers. No rope nearby I hope.....:ohno:

The views from this apartment are just about as good as it gets and so is the really long balcony.:)

VIEWS Look good just every else worries me about this tower ,Quality of finish and cost to service being two that spring to mind immediately

VIEWS Look good just every else worries me about this tower ,Quality of finish and cost to service being two that spring to mind immediately

I guess we will only know when we get our keys. Thought we might have heard something yesterday given that was the date of completion provided to us at the end of December. Hopefully inspection/snagging notices wont be far away

14th Feb

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from 14th not that clear been brighten up

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I see from the last picture that the horizontal roof bar feature on Silverene is lit up now, will look good from Bay Central with the sash/slash lit up also.

Would be just fantastic if they could do something with BC to make it appealing at night. A chance to redeem yourself Select!!

I guess we will only know when we get our keys. Thought we might have heard something yesterday given that was the date of completion provided to us at the end of December. Hopefully inspection/snagging notices wont be far away

6 MONTHS to hand over though surey ? if allowed to be handed seperate to "hotel" tower ?

The low water views from this one are stunning!

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/dubai/bay-central-central/a0AD000000JoOVTMA3/

I would just be a little cautious about the "serviced by 5 star Boutique Hotel" claim. If it happens it could be quite pricey.

Just copied and pasted the sales patter from SP website -- is it a 3 tower or two tower development ??

Bay Central - West
1 Bed Apartment for sale in Bay Central - West, Dubai.
Situated at the very heart of Dubai Marina, Bay Central brandishes the most exclusive plot on the marina opposite the Marina Mall and Motor Yacht Club. As a result this development is one of the most sought after property projects in the district. Comprising of three towers, two luxury residential towers (Bay West and Bay Central) and a 5-star hotel (Bay East), Bay Central houses highly desirable waterfront properties, fully serviced by an internationally renowned 5 star hotel. With a superb location, exquisite quality and 5 star A La Carte services, Bay Central is the height of marina living ideal for residents and attracting high demand on the rental market.

It is just more evidence of Select miss selling tactics;

Bay Central brandishes the most exclusive plot on the marina opposite the Marina Mall and Motor Yacht Club
Well we know it is not opposite the Motor Yacht club, so that is a blatant lie. If we allow the discrepancy then there are atleast 20 other towers which could satisfy that criterea. If at least 20 other towers meet the criterea then it is clearly not "exclusive", hence another lie.

As a result this development is one of the most sought after property projects in the district.
The most sought after would suggest high demand therefore prices are stable which is not the case. Sellers are having to take about a 30% hit on the original price, which will be a higher percentage considering the investment to date. That fact does not support the assertion that it is one of the most sought after developments.

Comprising of three towers, two luxury residential towers (Bay West and Bay Central) and a 5-star hotel (Bay East)
Is Bay East a 5 star hotel? The best we can gleem is that a mere 12 floors are earmarked as a Hotel. 12 floors out of 40 do not a Hotel tower make!

Bay Central houses highly desirable waterfront properties, fully serviced by an internationally renowned 5 star hotel.
This has been a much debated point and yet it is still there. "Fully serviced" would suggest that every apartment will have this facility, not optional as this would cause a mish mash of service level. If every apartment is fully serviced then expect minimum service charge to be 35AED/ft up to 50AED/ft. Interestingly there will be no hotel for a few more years so who will provide the "fully serviced" service in the interim? Or is it just more miss selling?

Bay Central is the height of marina living ideal for residents and attracting high demand on the rental market.
Note the present tense "is". Well clearly it isn't so therefore it's another lie! "attracting high demand on the rental market" nothing more than blatant lies, people are trying to rent out in a building site?

Practically every word is a lie, "highly desirable", "exquisite quality" they just go on and on, lie after lie. But my favourite is this one, and you have to think about it......." ideal for residents".......... WTF!!!:lol:

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now a panoramic photomerge of the balcony view (low floor). actually you could argue that the lower floor the better the view for the units facing straight onto the mall. view from balcony is great - from your sofa you will only see the mall and JLT. balconies are huge and full panorama of the marina. these one beds here have an optimal layout.

the ones on the side look into the marina canyon from the living room, so high floor is very good too if not better. the units to the side have better marina view when you sit in the chair in your living room! one beds here can be smaller and come with a suboptimal layout.

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now a panoramic photomerge of the balcony view (low floor). actually you could argue that the lower floor the better the view for the units facing straight onto the mall. view from balcony is great - from your sofa you will only see the mall and JLT. balconies are huge and full panorama of the marina. these one beds here have an optimal layout.

the ones on the side look into the marina canyon from the living room, so high floor is very good too if not better. the units to the side have better marina view when you sit in the chair in your living room! one beds here can be smaller and come with a suboptimal layout.

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac210/PrincessTower/zUntitled_Panorama1.jpg


http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac210/PrincessTower/zIMG_4951_2_3_fused.jpg

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Position and views are fantastic !! I totally agree ,

Silverene OP , reasonable service charges and QUALITY would make this tower very desirable but unfortunately it seems that none of the above apply --oh except SILVERENE doesnt have benefit of a "5 star Boutique Hotel" next door does it ? :)

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The tiles in this kitchen ruin it completely. Everything else is of a good standard.

now a panoramic photomerge of the balcony view (low floor). Actually you could argue that the lower floor the better the view for the units facing straight onto the mall. view from balcony is great - from your sofa you will only see the mall and JLT. balconies are huge and full panorama of the marina. these one beds here have an optimal layout.

the ones on the side look into the marina canyon from the living room, so high floor is very good too if not better. the units to the side have better marina view when you sit in the chair in your living room! one beds here can be smaller and come with a suboptimal layout.

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac210/PrincessTower/zUntitled_Panorama1.jpg

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac210/PrincessTower/zIMG_4934.jpg

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I have been making the point about the low water views for years but there seems to be an hysteria about being up in the clouds when the subject matter of the view is a marina with little boats and people on the walk. Like you say, high floors will be viewing the JLT area and SZ Road. Low level apartments on the front will be the prime ones. Pity they only had 1 beds on low floors.

Balconies are big but a little too narrow, would have been a show stopper if they had been 2-3 ft deeper. The opening out door onto the balcony will make positioning of furniture awkward also.

From the Penthouse on the 43rd floor of Hilton Dubai Jumeirah Residences

http://www.ablazewithlight.com/cityscapes_dubai_DSC_8189_sRGB_y.jpg..

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What did you think of the Hilton Residences , I know it has only just opened but is it a good standard, what did you think, we are staying there in Sept and have stayed next door at the Oasis beach towers and also the apartments in the Marriot next to Infinity and they were excellent

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The tiles in this kitchen ruin it completely. Everything else is of a good standard.

Kitchen Worktops and Bathrooms are SO YESTERDAY !!

Kitchen Worktops and Bathrooms are SO YESTERDAY !!

Thats because they were bought as a job lot in 2006!

...Balconies are big but a little too narrow, would have been a show stopper if they had been 2-3 ft deeper. The opening out door onto the balcony will make positioning of furniture awkward also.

the photos are wide angle and therefore don't provide a good impression of how deep the balcony really is. it feels actually very spacious I must say when you stand there!!

Kitchen finishes looked better with the human eye. including the tiles, which are not as outdated as they appear. partially because there was no ligh to switch on for the picture. counter tops like nice too, and apparently are natural stone, but didn't come out that great in the pic. overall clearly better than marina average. I also like the desing of the light hanging from the ceiling.

the photos are wide angle and therefore don't provide a good impression of how deep the balcony really is. it feels actually very spacious I must say when you stand there!!

Kitchen finishes looked better with the human eye. including the tiles, which are not as outdated as they appear. partially because there was no ligh to switch on for the picture. counter tops like nice too, and apparently are natural stone, but didn't come out that great in the pic. overall clearly better than marina average. I also like the desing of the light hanging from the ceiling.

Sounds better -thanks PT

If you dont like the tiles they are dirt cheap and very easy to change - Dragonmart has gazillions of different styles.

If you dont like the tiles they are dirt cheap and very easy to change - Dragonmart has gazillions of different styles.

I recall reading on the Point thread that you cannot just remove the old tiles and retile. Some owners therefore just tiled over the old tiles.

Yeah, not so easy to retile due to the shadow line on the ceiling. Walls have been tiled first then ceiling fixed. To do it right you need to take the ceiling down and retile it.

I would probably consider just retiling below the wall units. Take the wall units off and retile the bottom section.

I think the units are ok, not great for the money but ok.

PT, will need to get you onto my Dorrabay balcony to let you see what a wide balcony looks like :)

6 MONTHS to hand over though surey ? if allowed to be handed seperate to "hotel" tower ?

The SPA states the following once the completion notice has been served which it has and was for 15th February. "Such notice shall also set out the date for completion and handover of the property which shall, unless the parties agree otherwise, not be more than 30 business days from the date of such notice. (for the purpose of this agreement such date will be referred to as the completion date")

So going by the SPA, handover of the property must take place within 30 business days from 15th February unless the parties agree otherwise. Interesting times ManU

Kitchen Worktops and Bathrooms are SO YESTERDAY !!

Work top granite select used same on fire escape stairs there... :nuts:

Sounds better -thanks PT

Floor tiles look better throughout unlike the basic value range used before, Polished porcelain ??

Floor tiles look better throughout unlike the basic value range used before, Polished porcelain ??

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4249/img0632ls.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/img0632ls.jpg/)

polished marble effect ...!

:)

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this particular unit is still for sale by the way. I had a look at it but decided to go for something full sea view in the tallest block ;).

if anybody's interested, I believe it will be between 900,000 and 1,000,000 AED, send me a PM and I'll send the you agent's number.

The SPA states the following once the completion notice has been served which it has and was for 15th February. "Such notice shall also set out the date for completion and handover of the property which shall, unless the parties agree otherwise, not be more than 30 business days from the date of such notice. (for the purpose of this agreement such date will be referred to as the completion date")

So going by the SPA, handover of the property must take place within 30 business days from 15th February unless the parties agree otherwise. Interesting times ManU

Whatever the SPA states you might just find that SG will try to wiggle out of it !

How come the berths are all empty?

^^they are not made available right now. from what I've hear one of the plans was to keep them reserved for palm residents commuting to the mall by boat. but the palm marina has only opened recently. so not sure what the deal is. but they are intentionally kept empty there. you can not even dock there for a few minutes. the few quays on the left are occupied already, but are part of the marina yacht club I believe.

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this photo for marina or bay central?

Hotel tower reached the final floor, cladding just begun as well..

24/February/2012

Bay Central

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Hi all,

Just joined the forum.
I have been reading the earlier posts for some time. Very informative material for the new investers I would say. Thanks to many active members.
I am considering to buy 1 bed in Bay Central West Not many properties for sale but there are some on the market. The prices are around 1000 aed psf. I read in some eralier posts here some talk about 800-900 aed psf but that time seems to be gone which is quite understandable. But there was some talk on the prices expected to be be going down at completion is something I cant understand. Anyway now it seems the activity level is seems to be picking up and entering now in the Dubai market looks like a great move. Any thoughts on the overall development in the recent past?

Imre, Thanks a lot for all the updates in this forum. Your postings with great pics have been a great help for me to see the journey made by this project.

Imre, Thanks a lot for all the updates in this forum. Your postings with great pics have been a great help for me to see the journey made by this project.

Thanks Sham Swe and welcome to the forum!

Thanks Sham Swe and welcome to the forum!Hi Imre - dito from me your updates are very valuable to everyone, pelemiller BC west 0301:cheers:- remember to read my pm.

Hi all,

Just joined the forum.
I have been reading the earlier posts for some time. Very informative material for the new investers I would say. Thanks to many active members.
I am considering to buy 1 bed in Bay Central West Not many properties for sale but there are some on the market. The prices are around 1000 aed psf. I read in some eralier posts here some talk about 800-900 aed psf but that time seems to be gone which is quite understandable. But there was some talk on the prices expected to be be going down at completion is something I cant understand. Anyway now it seems the activity level is seems to be picking up and entering now in the Dubai market looks like a great move. Any thoughts on the overall development in the recent past?

Sham

I would urge you to get out to Dubai and checkout the quality of what you want to buy and the service charges of the property youre looking at --there are bargains around at the moment but just be careful and do the ground work:) wish i had 5 years ago !!

I think a number of developers and businessmen could learn a lot from Mr. Habtoor! Yes, just imagine having your agreements and contracts changed.....now who would do something like that! Quoted from Arabian business news this week

Habtoor, who operates a number of residential and commercial buildings in Dubai, said he would never amend a contract between his company and its tenants. “Our tenants if I have an agreement with them I would never, ever amend it, it’s not fair.”:applause: look and learn Select

Why on earth would anyone with a brain even consider buying an apartment in Bay Central right now when there are many wonderful ready apartments in Dubai Marina from great developers ready now........ unless of course they are "Select Group plants"........

DO YOUR RESEARCH AND DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE BUYING.... :bash:

Hi all,

Just joined the forum.
I have been reading the earlier posts for some time. Very informative material for the new investers I would say. Thanks to many active members.
I am considering to buy 1 bed in Bay Central West Not many properties for sale but there are some on the market. The prices are around 1000 aed psf. I read in some eralier posts here some talk about 800-900 aed psf but that time seems to be gone which is quite understandable. But there was some talk on the prices expected to be be going down at completion is something I cant understand. Anyway now it seems the activity level is seems to be picking up and entering now in the Dubai market looks like a great move. Any thoughts on the overall development in the recent past?

Why on earth would anyone with a brain even consider buying an apartment in Bay Central right now when there are many wonderful ready apartments in Dubai Marina from great developers ready now........ unless of course they are "Select Group plants"........

DO YOUR RESEARCH AND DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE BUYING.... :bash:

^^Sorry but I don't necessarily agree with this. Surely the price reflects on how good the investment is?

I bought a second apt in bay central just two months ago and I feel I know the market well, a direct marina facing one-bed in the central tower for less than the original prices and I think its one of the best apartments out there in terms of location and view. Quality isnt as good as silverene for sure but the price certainly was a lot better than the same calibre silverene apts, and given rents on the marina im pretty sure i could get a better yield from bc too.

Hi all,

Just joined the forum.
I have been reading the earlier posts for some time. Very informative material for the new investers I would say. Thanks to many active members.
I am considering to buy 1 bed in Bay Central West Not many properties for sale but there are some on the market. The prices are around 1000 aed psf. I read in some eralier posts here some talk about 800-900 aed psf but that time seems to be gone which is quite understandable. But there was some talk on the prices expected to be be going down at completion is something I cant understand. Anyway now it seems the activity level is seems to be picking up and entering now in the Dubai market looks like a great move. Any thoughts on the overall development in the recent past?

^^ A very good move on your part asking of peoples opinion before buying a property in Dubai .

johnnyinspain is 100% correct - "Why consider buying an apartment in Bay Central right now when there are many wonderful ready apartments in Dubai Marina from great developers ready now". BC would not be ready till you see people moving in. When this really happens is anyones guess.

The only worthwhile advise is to visit Dubai, see and get a feel of what you are considering buying and do your due diligence extensively on the developer and their past history. In addition, read the postings on this forum, at least for the last two years of the development you are considering buying. Dont be pressured or mislead into buying a property asap with talk like (one unit left or last marina facing unit available etc). There are several units on the market and your choices are vast.

You could also connect with a Real estate sales rep, having him/her arrange to view a good number of units in the marina before you part with your money.

Bottom-line - Visit Dubai.

Hello Sham...
I would say ignore the BC hater Group ( Lead by well known Leader ( I will not mention the name because of his knowledge and time to time right advice on other forum )
and their team
Buster007 - who himself burned a figure in Investing in AJMAN - ( Read the history--been posting here from ages as he dose not have his own investment.


JohnyinSpain -(Read his history - he has nothing else to do except bashing others investment -( He has Branded Botanica one of the worst developmen, in fact its turnout to be the best project in Marina with Highest rental yield (8-9%) and best view - also use word 'due diligence' most frequently in this forum)

we have bought 3 apartments in Botanica and its most successful investment in Dubai. Getting the best offer in current market.

and there are few more who loves to spend more time in BC forum then anything else ( as they are clearly not happy with their investment elsewhere ).

My advice would be

BC has the best view All the apartment facing Marina and Sea view ( Unlike facing Sheikh Jayed Road) centrally located, Closure to Beach ( not mall) , Next to Tram station, easy access to JBR walk - Restaurants, surrounded by 5 star hotels and clubs etc. so its all about Location, Location, Location.....( you can spend few thousands and get a quality but you can not get the best Location)

At last we are not hear to laugh or make a negative comments on others investments. This is a skyscraper forum and should stick with the purpose of the forum.

^^Anything in BC above the 20th floor will have a fantastic view of Sheikh Zayed Road, I can assure you! Wake up man, what way are the buildings facing!!!

If you want a true marina view then you need to be low level and on the waterfront. I believe that BC only has 1 bed and studios on the lower floors so unless that is sufficient for your needs then forget it. Look at the Torch 3 beds on the high floors, they are a complete investment disaster, low returns and low resale.

BTW, I nearly choked myself with laughter at the comment that Botanica has the highest returns in the marina 8-9% :lol:

^^

I certainly have nothing positive to say about the "SELECT group", and people that have invested with them wish today they never heard of the so-called developer.

I am not hating BC or have any reason to like it either. My 2cents is for anyone considering buying in Dubai to visit Dubai 1st to get a feel of things on the ground.

Glad to hear Botanica is doing so well for you. I would advise Sham to buy there and certainly not in BC. The building is ready, he can generate some rental income from day 1 as oppose to waiting till maybe next year to get BC keys. No brainer.

Agree Buster...
I will buy a ready property if i intend to let out quickly.

BC will be ready by JUNE-JULY..hopefully..

^^Anything in BC above the 20th floor will have a fantastic view of Sheikh Zayed Road, I can assure you! Wake up man, what way are the buildings facing!!!

If you want a true marina view then you need to be low level and on the waterfront. I believe that BC only has 1 bed and studios on the lower floors so unless that is sufficient for your needs then forget it. Look at the Torch 3 beds on the high floors, they are a complete investment disaster, low returns and low resale.

BTW, I nearly choked myself with laughter at the comment that Botanica has the highest returns in the marina 8-9% :lol:

I have to correct you here, I would not use the word "disaster" about the Torch 3 beds, mine let almost instantly for 150k whilst there was a vast choice of units in the building for renters to choose from, and view, well possibly the best I have seen in Dubai. Yes, with the benefit of hindsight there are better yielding investments, but for sure there are a far greater amount of worst ones, but better marina views (for me), doubtful. :)

20th Floor View Central Tower, more at http://baycentralowners.lefora.com

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Hi this my first post so very new at all this. I purchased an apartment in bay central west yeaaarrrs ago!!!! still not got the keys. have select under clause 12.1 defaulted on the agreement. As this project should have at latest completed jan 2012. Is there enough of us out there to get some compensation as the prices have already dropped by 30% since buying off plan.

I have to correct you here, I would not use the word "disaster" about the Torch 3 beds, mine let almost instantly for 150k whilst there was a vast choice of units in the building for renters to choose from, and view, well possibly the best I have seen in Dubai. Yes, with the benefit of hindsight there are better yielding investments, but for sure there are a far greater amount of worst ones, but better marina views (for me), doubtful. :)

I think we will both have to agree to disagree. The tallest residential building in the world, 3 bed, full marina view and only 150k per year!! My 2 bed, 8th floor full marina view earns not far off that mark, factoring in maintenance fees etc. The 3 bed Torch units haven't met expectations by a long shot!

Torch was sold as a 3 BR but its not a really 3 BR , as I told you before I would call 2 Br+study as it has only 2 bathrooms and the size is around 1800 sqft or even less..thats why the lower rents..

Marina Sail has 2 BR+ maids apartment with around 1900 sqft , lowest rental is around 130-135K/year with partial marina view..

Torch was sold as a 3 BR but its not a really 3 BR , as I told you before I would call 2 Br+study as it has only 2 bathrooms and the size is around 1800 sqft or even less..thats why the lower rents..

Marina Sail has 2 BR+ maids apartment with around 1900 sqft , lowest rental is around 130-135K/year with partial marina view..

Not sure if you are agreeing with me or Jeffers. However, if it was sold as a 3 bed and it turns out to be a 2 bed + study, then I would say that could be viewed as a disaster. 3 bed apartments should be minimum 2000ft and that is not possible with Select unless you pay even sillier money for a penthouse. I believe the 3 beds in BC are "compact" also so they will be pitched against the "2 bed + study" units.

I think we will both have to agree to disagree. The tallest residential building in the world, 3 bed, full marina view and only 150k per year!! My 2 bed, 8th floor full marina view earns not far off that mark, factoring in maintenance fees etc. The 3 bed Torch units haven't met expectations by a long shot!

Lots of different factors come into play here. We looked at a Jewels duplex, I think around 4.7m, but decided to go for The Torch and save 2.7k and use that against something else which just over doubled in value so then cashed that in. What I am saying is different factors come into play. For that reason going for the Torch decision made it a fantastic investment as gave us funds for the other investment. However if the Torch was a stand alone investment then sure there are better, but I was only saying that the use of the word "disaster" is incorrect to some. Sure the Jewels was a better fit and finish and double the size (and price), however the location was not for us (horses and courses) I am not going to slag it off though, as to very many it is a paradise end. Again if the Torch is left empty if we decide to use a holiday home then the cost to keep it (service charges) will be less than a larger unit, so again different factors needed to come into play. Its not always just about the $$$$$ taken in isolation.. :cheers:

Oh, and just for doubt, all three beds are good doubles, its not 2 and a study. Although one could make a very pleasant study if someone wished. :cheers:

Lots of different factors come into play here. We looked at a Jewels duplex, I think around 4.7m, but decided to go for The Torch and save 2.7k and use that against something else which just over doubled in value so then cashed that in. What I am saying is different factors come into play. For that reason going for the Torch decision made it a fantastic investment as gave us funds for the other investment. However if the Torch was a stand alone investment then sure there are better, but I was only saying that the use of the word "disaster" is incorrect to some. Sure the Jewels was a better fit and finish and double the size (and price), however the location was not for us (horses and courses) I am not going to slag it off though, as to very many it is a paradise end. Again if the Torch is left empty if we decide to use a holiday home then the cost to keep it (service charges) will be less than a larger unit, so again different factors needed to come into play. Its not always just about the $$$$$ taken in isolation.. :cheers:

To True blue is Pardise end to others its Arse End.. :lol:

In dubai, i think we should not use the officially stated square footage of the apartments as a measure of how big or small the apartments are. i seen apartments with supposedly big sq footage but felt tiny. it could be a bad layout, but most probably the sq footage is overstated, with few exceptions.

so one development would have 700 for a 1 bed that would feel bigger than another development with a 800 sqft one bed.

Imre and others here would probably agree with this.

In dubai, i think we should not use the officially stated square footage of the apartments as a measure of how big or small the apartments are. i seen apartments with supposedly big sq footage but felt tiny. it could be a bad layout, but most probably the sq footage is overstated, with few exceptions.

so one development would have 700 for a 1 bed that would feel bigger than another development with a 800 sqft one bed.

Imre and others here would probably agree with this.


The Apartment in BC are small sq ft but feel bigger than they really are. :cheers:

There are many wise participants on this forum, and a few complete idiots. I'm sure the clever people can tell the difference.

There are clear Select "plants". This post, (below), says it all.

The IMPORTANT WORD which the clever investors will pick up on is "HOPEFULLY" Any investor with any sense and half a business brain will realize the danger of either listening to UK TO DUBAI or buying ANYTHING from Select.

In my opinion Bay Central will not be open this year, AND will never achieve the business returns of any of the EMAAR developments, or of the Cayan developments.

Any doubts; just read back over the threads and make up your own mind!! :bash:

Agree Buster...
I will buy a ready property if i intend to let out quickly.

BC will be ready by JUNE-JULY..hopefully..

I have an apartment in Marina Sail. It was a huge mistake buying this as it was delivered by the developer. I have spent a fortune putting it right, but now it is a magnificent huge apartment with stunning views, and we have finally got the building running well.

I am now getting great returns from this investment.

Personally I feel that if investors were to be honest about the mistakes they made, and stop posting total rubbish trying to defend bad business decisions, (especially buying blind from SELECT) then other new investors would be more likely to believe some of the advice given on these forums.

Never again will I buy from a small developer, or a bunch of crooks such as SELECT!! :bash:

Torch was sold as a 3 BR but its not a really 3 BR , as I told you before I would call 2 Br+study as it has only 2 bathrooms and the size is around 1800 sqft or even less..thats why the lower rents..

Marina Sail has 2 BR+ maids apartment with around 1900 sqft , lowest rental is around 130-135K/year with partial marina view..

Agree Buster...
I will buy a ready property if i intend to let out quickly.

BC will be ready by JUNE-JULY..hopefully..

Thank you guys for your advice. I understand both sides.

I have done some done some research in the last couple of months though not on site. The thing is that one can consider this property as ready even if it can take a couple of more months. I understand you who have been waiting for the handover for years and lost the trust in the developer but now when we see the towers completed from outside and I tend to beileve that the handover will be sometime soon.

I see that there are a huge number of properties for sale but BC is quite competitive price wise. The location is among the best. The only worry is the quality that many of you have pointed out. I thought it would be better than described in this forum.

Lots of different factors come into play here. We looked at a Jewels duplex, I think around 4.7m, but decided to go for The Torch and save 2.7k and use that against something else which just over doubled in value so then cashed that in. What I am saying is different factors come into play. For that reason going for the Torch decision made it a fantastic investment as gave us funds for the other investment. However if the Torch was a stand alone investment then sure there are better, but I was only saying that the use of the word "disaster" is incorrect to some. Sure the Jewels was a better fit and finish and double the size (and price), however the location was not for us (horses and courses) I am not going to slag it off though, as to very many it is a paradise end. Again if the Torch is left empty if we decide to use a holiday home then the cost to keep it (service charges) will be less than a larger unit, so again different factors needed to come into play. Its not always just about the $$$$$ taken in isolation.. :cheers:

I was not referring to Jewels but instead to a 1400ft2 Dorrabay 2 bed/2 parking that cost me 927k. That would have given you plenty of change for other options :)

Maybe UK TO DUBAI can work out the return on that one, can assure you it is way better than the 8-9% being acheived by any Botanica apartment :lol:

^^^^ As an investment, that sounds like a very good return if you are generating just under 150k on that. Sorry better let this thread get back to BC topics. :)

There are many wise participants on this forum, and a few complete idiots. I'm sure the clever people can tell the difference.

There are clear Select "plants". This post, (below), says it all.

The IMPORTANT WORD which the clever investors will pick up on is "HOPEFULLY" Any investor with any sense and half a business brain will realize the danger of either listening to UK TO DUBAI or buying ANYTHING from Select.

In my opinion Bay Central will not be open this year, AND will never achieve the business returns of any of the EMAAR developments, or of the Cayan developments.

Any doubts; just read back over the threads and make up your own mind!! :bash:



But you're the guy that said they wont build the hotel/east tower in the forseeable future.......:ohno:

Hi again,

Many of you seem to be having a vast experience in the Dubai property market and are experienced investers i many different projects.

It will be valuable to hear from you how you look at the outlook of the rental market now when hundreds if not thousands of new properties coming on the market. Do you see the demand growing enough to absorb this new supply without collapsing the rental market. I mean it seems to be becoming a "tenants market" if it already isn't. Anybody willing to share some thoughts on this?

The Apartment in BC are small sq ft but feel bigger than they really are. :cheers:

The apartments are small square footage and even smaller in reality because SPA size is Inclusive of balcony and car park

Stumbled onto this .. didnt think the interior fittings within BC had progressed this far ... perhaps a Q4 handover is possible

http://dubai.dubizzle.com/property-for-sale/residential/apartment/2012/2/28/bay-central-tower-2-2/?back=ZHViYWkuZHViaXp6bGUuY29tL3Byb3BlcnR5LWZvci1zYWxlL3Jlc2lkZW50aWFsLz9wcmljZV9fZ3RlPSZwcmljZV9fbHRlPSZiZWRyb29tc19fZ3RlPTAmYmVkcm9vbXNfX2x0ZT0xMiZwbGFjZXNfX2lkX19pbj0mcGxhY2VzX19pZF9faW49NjMlMkMma2V5d29yZHM9QmF5K2NlbnRyYWwmaXNfYmFzaWNfc2VhcmNoX3dpZGdldD0wJmlzX3NlYXJjaD0xJmFkZGVkX19ndGU9Jmxpc3RlZF9ieT0mc2l6ZV9fZ3RlPSZzaXplX19sdGU9JmJhdGhyb29tc19fZ3RlPSZiYXRocm9vbXNfX2x0ZT0mcmVhbF9lc3RhdGVfYWdlbnQ9


http://dubai.dubizzle.com/property-for-sale/residential/apartment/2012/2/28/bay-central-tower-2/?back=ZHViYWkuZHViaXp6bGUuY29tL3Byb3BlcnR5LWZvci1zYWxlL3Jlc2lkZW50aWFsLz9wcmljZV9fZ3RlPSZwcmljZV9fbHRlPSZiZWRyb29tc19fZ3RlPTAmYmVkcm9vbXNfX2x0ZT0xMiZwbGFjZXNfX2lkX19pbj0mcGxhY2VzX19pZF9faW49NjMlMkMma2V5d29yZHM9QmF5K2NlbnRyYWwmaXNfYmFzaWNfc2VhcmNoX3dpZGdldD0wJmlzX3NlYXJjaD0xJmFkZGVkX19ndGU9Jmxpc3RlZF9ieT0mc2l6ZV9fZ3RlPSZzaXplX19sdGU9JmJhdGhyb29tc19fZ3RlPSZiYXRocm9vbXNfX2x0ZT0mcmVhbF9lc3RhdGVfYWdlbnQ9

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Thanks Beppe - Buster and BCowner for your photos.

Internal Looks better - View is just fantastic

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The apartments are small square footage and even smaller in reality because SPA size is Inclusive of balcony and car park

Are you serious? It is normal to include balcony in the total but not the parking space!!!!

I have heard that Select are reverting to including the parking space when they are confronted about the units being undersize and seeking a partial refund. They really are crooks!