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charlie big potatoes
March 3rd, 2008, 08:46 PM
Hi Grubbman, a flat in the marina is now worth its weight in gold. I sold one last week for 350.000 Dirhams more than what I asked for. I had a total of 69 phone calls and 49 e-mails from one advert in the Gulf News. The resale market in Dubai is very strong and its getting stronger. Buy while stocks last!

You seem real good at this GG......... Wanna sell 8000sq ft detached in Londons Regents Park for me so I can buy half the marina?

jeetha
March 3rd, 2008, 09:38 PM
:) Wanna sell my 2bedroom top floor apartment with water view in Cardiff city, so I can buy a tiny studio in Marina?

PAULDELVES
March 4th, 2008, 12:43 AM
i have one in bay central, central tower good floor and marina facing.. im thinking of selling if i get the right price..

BEPPE PM me with details see if i can afford it please

ps500
March 4th, 2008, 01:42 AM
This picture shows the next level of excavation on Bay Central plot. Dewatering pipes are visible on the ground

http://i26.tinypic.com/54zlle.jpg

Here you can see the tie-backs being stressed, which support the shore piles ready for the next excavation level

http://i31.tinypic.com/2i77lfl.jpg

There are currently 3 pile rigs on the Bay Central site that have already completed 48, 600mm piles into the ground. The reinforcing cages for the piles can be seen in the bottom middle of the picture. Concrete pump, shown here with the large red extendable arm, is pumping concrete into the bore holes that have been drilled by the pile rigs.

http://i32.tinypic.com/281fmu1.jpg

Overview of piling process:
Rigs drill bore holes in ground through sand and bed rock.
Cranes lower the reinforcing steel cages into the bore-hole.
Concrete is poured into the borehole by a concrete pump.
This pile then takes the weight of the structure of the building.

http://i29.tinypic.com/2ibmdlf.jpg

FWIW
March 4th, 2008, 12:52 PM
^^ Looking good - very nice update! Thanks for posting the pics PS500!

FWIW
March 5th, 2008, 02:45 PM
Found these pics on Bhomes website! :lol:

http://www.bhomescribs.com/international/image-viewer.aspx?imageurl=%2fui%2fS%2f55632%2f55632_31078.JPG&width=600

http://www.bhomescribs.com/international/image-viewer.aspx?imageurl=%2fui%2fS%2f55632%2f55632_20262.JPG&width=600

bobby222
March 5th, 2008, 08:26 PM
hi i have one studio apartment in bay central west tower
how property is doing in marina regarding selling the studio

Caesar7
March 8th, 2008, 01:59 PM
^^ doing good once there is real progress in building it ... :bash:

Beppe786
March 8th, 2008, 02:48 PM
i think once ground work is done and building starts too appear above ground level would be exciting to watch..

i think getting to this stage would be end of this year??

:bash:

UK_TO_DUBAI
March 10th, 2008, 07:20 PM
i have seen 700 sq feet - 21st floor apartment on sale on one website at rate of 1777 AED....thats about 25% price rise......wat do u think...is it a good price??
though i m not going to buy as i have already run out of moneyyyyyyyyyy:)

glover
March 11th, 2008, 11:21 AM
today. activity has picked up a bit, more workers and equipment on site!

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7299/img0069up5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


al-fattan office

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/5619/img0070aj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

FWIW
March 11th, 2008, 12:38 PM
^^Thanks for the updates Glover - really appreciate the pics!

Beppe786
March 11th, 2008, 04:15 PM
1st june payment coming up pound looks like it gonna become stronger


The Pound stayed close its Dh 728 opening level until Wednesday morning when a dip to Dh 7.25 was followed immediately by a rally to Dh 7.33. On Thursday Sterling was up to Dh 7.37 and it topped out at Dh 7.42 on Friday afternoon. It was trading just above Dh 7.40 when London opened this morning.

FWIW
March 11th, 2008, 07:00 PM
1st june payment coming up pound looks like it gonna become stronger


The Pound stayed close its Dh 728 opening level until Wednesday morning when a dip to Dh 7.25 was followed immediately by a rally to Dh 7.33. On Thursday Sterling was up to Dh 7.37 and it topped out at Dh 7.42 on Friday afternoon. It was trading just above Dh 7.40 when London opened this morning.

Wait til next Tues when FED will have to cut rates again!
I think they may just go the whole way and cut by 1% to kick start their economy!

Beppe786
March 12th, 2008, 11:37 PM
one thing that all bay Central investors can rest asure that nothing will be build in front of it blocking any views.. was thinking of buying a resale property in the torch but now there might be a building built infront of it im thinking again..

bay central might take a while before its handed over too investors but well worth the wait...

Grubbman
March 13th, 2008, 12:09 AM
Oh yea, once/if DS get cracking this will be an awesome location and building. Just have a look at other buildings with similar views and what they are asking and you will get the picture of what the properties will be worth in 2-3 years.:banana: Well worth the wait.....

Morrismarina
March 13th, 2008, 12:50 AM
one thing that all bay Central investors can rest asure that nothing will be build in front of it blocking any views.. was thinking of buying a resale property in the torch but now there might be a building built infront of it im thinking again.

Well done young Beppe.....go to the top of the class. There's people a lot older than you lad who have problems working this out. I can tell you'll go far young man. :lol:

Beppe786
March 13th, 2008, 01:30 AM
Well done young Beppe.....go to the top of the class. There's people a lot older than you lad who have problems working this out. I can tell you'll go far young man. :lol:

i see your upset... didnt know you had an marina view apartment in the torch..

oh well old man...

glover
March 13th, 2008, 11:35 AM
today, first crane up.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9348/img0076hl0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9348/img0076hl0.41dc6cc532.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=511&i=img0076hl0.jpg)

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7700/img0074in7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

FWIW
March 13th, 2008, 01:36 PM
^^ Thanks for the pics Glover - I have turned them and your pic from Marina Mall into a panorama again! I hope you like it!

http://i32.tinypic.com/vgmreh.jpg

Caesar7
March 13th, 2008, 01:48 PM
Woooooowwwwww I see a CRANE !!!! :nuts: just amazing ....

UK_TO_DUBAI
March 13th, 2008, 05:28 PM
thanks glover for pictures...

well i dont know much about constructon process....please explain why that big crain is for????

High Times
March 13th, 2008, 05:45 PM
^^

Lifting big heavy things. :)

UK_TO_DUBAI
March 13th, 2008, 08:02 PM
thanks...
:ohno:

True Blue
March 13th, 2008, 08:32 PM
thanks glover for pictures...

well i dont know much about constructon process....please explain why that big crain is for????

It's all part of an elaborate plan to make the site look further advanced than it actually is.

A crawler crane is far more practical at this stage. At least it can lift and carry. Tower crane can only lift and look good.

glover
March 13th, 2008, 08:44 PM
it looks like they have both!

True Blue
March 13th, 2008, 08:57 PM
Crawlers will be working to the piling contractor. DCE will be erecting the tower crane to justify their presence on site.

glover
March 13th, 2008, 09:09 PM
i have to say i am seeing almost a doubling or even tripling in the number of workers onsite.


at the rate they are going now, when do you think the towers will start rising above ground level?

Beppe786
March 13th, 2008, 09:11 PM
whats that delelopment next too bay central with the crain's in the above picture?

charlie big potatoes
March 13th, 2008, 09:15 PM
It's all part of an elaborate plan to make the site look further advanced than it actually is.

A crawler crane is far more practical at this stage. At least it can lift and carry. Tower crane can only lift and look good.

Must be a payment due TB.

True Blue
March 13th, 2008, 09:23 PM
Towers will not be above street level until 7/8 months following piling complete. Not looking likely this year now.

AltinD
March 13th, 2008, 09:35 PM
Crawlers will be working to the piling contractor. DCE will be erecting the tower crane to justify their presence on site.

In SZR, another contractor with a similar name (DCC) has erected 2 tower cranes on the site of a non-freehold tower while the piling is still underway.

Dubai_Steve
March 14th, 2008, 02:27 AM
Bad news for sea facing owners ?

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/cranesetcphotos/obh.jpg

glover
March 14th, 2008, 08:42 AM
^^^^ only if your apartment is in the central tower. the west tower, at least the ones closer to JBR, will not be effected.

If its any consolation, the tower itself could be a nice view!!!

High Times
March 14th, 2008, 11:56 AM
Is this a f**kin joke

AltinD
March 14th, 2008, 12:15 PM
^^ Apparently no.

FWIW
March 14th, 2008, 12:52 PM
This looks so out of place that I am sure it will have several redesigns before anything happens.

Yes Dubai Steve, it is bad news for sea facing owners of Al Fattan appartments.

On the bright side, it will make Bay Central's central location even more prestigious!

Caesar7
March 14th, 2008, 12:56 PM
that looks indeed out of place - that thing is huge - is that somehow official?

Caesar7
March 14th, 2008, 01:00 PM
^^ saw it - Oasis Beach - but still out of place imo :ohno:

Beppe786
March 14th, 2008, 01:11 PM
if this goes ahead disaster for the rear apartments which only had sea view, they must be feeling the same as the torch people..

its about time they knocked that crap Oasis Beach hotel...

FWIW
March 14th, 2008, 01:30 PM
After my many hours of exhaustive analysis! :ohno: These are my findings:

http://i30.tinypic.com/2djc3s8.jpg

I now can sleep soundly at night as you can see that the central tower views will not be affected by the new oasis beach hotel super tall tower! :banana:

You can now understand why the Rennaisance hotel chose the East Tower - the higher up floors will have clear sea views....until the JBR Beach Club is turned into something else! :nuts:

High Times
March 14th, 2008, 01:44 PM
This is all getting out of hand now.

If this or somethingn similar happens you can bet that all the beach hotels along this stretch will re-develop in years to come.

Also the land infront of the tallest block will get developed too.

I hope this doees not turn out to be the case as Dubai is begiing to loose its shine and will end up looking cheap ala torramalinos.

Beppe786
March 14th, 2008, 02:06 PM
if you have maped that picture on where the orginal oasis beach hotel is surely the base of the mega tall building will be bigger?

pictures from the west Al Fattan appartments

http://www.aucc37.dsl.pipex.com/pictures/07.jpg

FWIW
March 14th, 2008, 02:22 PM
^^ I did exactly that - mapped a rectangle over the existing OBH.

Here is another pic for you:

http://i30.tinypic.com/muzd3p.jpg

From my current level of understanding, the view in your pic from al fattan should not be affected.

Dubai_Steve
March 14th, 2008, 02:28 PM
Maybe the plot will be larger than that however and use the car park area on the right in the pic ? :dunno: Parking could then be underground in the tower. The sea view between the gap in Al Fattan towers for the west tower will be ruined.

FWIW
March 14th, 2008, 02:30 PM
^^ Maybe you are talking out of your arse?

Grubbman
March 14th, 2008, 02:31 PM
I think big lessons to be learnt here for everyone, buying apartments with rear/sea views through JBR was always going to be a gamble, if this oasis tower goes up its just like high times mentioned there will be nothing stopping all the hotels doing the same. This in turn will have the JBR residences in fits of panik and we will see a load of JBR flats on the market creating a possible downturn in the market and creating an even demand for full marina view apartments where nothing can be built in front of, then again this is Dubai and is your view safe anywhere??

High Times
March 14th, 2008, 02:35 PM
What is more worrying to me is the precident it will set for the whole Jumeirah beach strip. Once one hotel does it they will all follow suite if it proves to be commercialy viable.

Bad news for the whole area

Beppe786
March 14th, 2008, 02:48 PM
they must have known well before hand thats why the hotel tower was moved to the east tower which will have sea view and marina views better then the rest??

west tower sea view is most affected..

also resale prices will be..

Caesar7
March 14th, 2008, 03:04 PM
^^ only applicable to BC apartments facing the sea - after all - the main aim of the complex is and was the marina views...

Beppe786
March 14th, 2008, 03:08 PM
yeah your right... glad it doesnt affect me..

im having second thoughts of not selling my apartment now..

Caesar7
March 14th, 2008, 03:13 PM
sorry repeated - but yes - think its worthwile waiting ...

FWIW
March 14th, 2008, 03:25 PM
^^ only applicable to BC apartments facing the sea - after all - the main aim of the complex is and was the marina views...

As my bc appartment has two balconies, this will not affect my central appartments marina view....unless someone decides to put a tower in the water!:nuts:

Dubai_Steve
March 14th, 2008, 03:25 PM
Would have been nice if there were some 2 bed marina facing. 1 bed is too small for me. 3 bed is too expensive.

glover
March 14th, 2008, 03:31 PM
the gap between al-fattan towers will be blocked by the new hotel for sure, so both sea facing apartments in west and central will be effected in that sense. however, west tower apartments will still have the sea view they will get from the gap between al-fattan east and JBR. the road there leads to JBR's beach club, between the Hilton and Oasis. this view will not go, unless they build a high rise on the beach club plot. not sure about central tower!!

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6351/newmapey9vq4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

FWIW
March 14th, 2008, 03:32 PM
Would have been nice if there were some 2 bed marina facing. 1 bed is too small for me. 3 bed is too expensive.

They do exist - look here:
http://www.selectproperty.com/regions/dubai/bay-central/resources/pdf/BC-Lvl35-46.pdf

and http://www.selectproperty.com/regions/dubai/bay-central/resources/pdf/Two_Bedroom_Apartment_Type_A.pdf

Dubai_Steve
March 14th, 2008, 03:38 PM
Yes but I meant front facing not side.

FWIW
March 14th, 2008, 03:50 PM
^^ Side views maybe the only ones with guaranteed clear views of the marina!

Beppe786
March 14th, 2008, 04:06 PM
^^^^ if you think about it side views down the marina are better than the front apartment..

from your living room and bedroom you could see down the marina

from the front apartments from your living room or bedroom inside you will only see marina mall, from the balcony front apartment will have the best view

Grubbman
March 14th, 2008, 05:04 PM
they must have known well before hand thats why the hotel tower was moved to the east tower which will have sea view and marina views better then the rest??

west tower sea view is most affected..

also resale prices will be..

Its quite scary that DS could have known all along about this thus giving the hotel chain this knowledge while the poor investors were getting sold their apartments at the back with promised sea views.....I really hope this was not the case.:ohno:

Dubai_Steve
March 14th, 2008, 05:21 PM
^^ They told people a different reason, something to do with the hotel wanting an entire building for themselves and the middle taller one was too expensive. Originally the middle one was going to be partly hotel and partly serviced apartments. Something along those lines.

High Times
March 14th, 2008, 06:54 PM
Too expensive for an internationally renowned 5* hotel chain. :ohno:

I'm sure DS would have let them use the 15 year payment plan

Nad
March 18th, 2008, 02:07 PM
I've just got back from Dubai where I visited the BC site with a SP rep. The site was busy with a number of workers. I was told that the piling should be complete in 3 months and then they would start above ground. I do not know if this is realistic.

I was also told that the residential towers would be completed prior to the hotel tower. SP also advised that all their apartments in all their current projects are sold out.

Finally having visited the site with the marina now 60-70% or so complete the whole marina project was just amazing and when complete the marina will be breathtaking. I certainly have no regrets about my purchase even with the inevitable delays.

FWIW
March 18th, 2008, 02:17 PM
I've just got back from Dubai where I visited the BC site with a SP rep. The site was busy with a number of workers. I was told that the piling should be complete in 3 months and then they would start above ground. I do not know if this is realistic.

I was also told that the residential towers would be completed prior to the hotel tower. SP also advised that all their apartments in all their current projects are sold out.

Finally having visited the site with the marina now 60-70% or so complete the whole marina project was just amazing and when complete the marina will be breathtaking. I certainly have no regrets about my purchase even with the inevitable delays.

Thanks for the update Nad - did you take any pictures?

Beppe786
March 18th, 2008, 02:37 PM
sounds good... but can we trust what select Property say?

i thort it would be the other way around hotel would have been there main concern too be completed first..

High Times
March 18th, 2008, 02:55 PM
I dont think the hotel guests would have enjoyed staying on a building site. That might have been a key factor in this decision.

AltinD
March 18th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Decorating a hotel building takes at least twice the time decorating comparable residential one.

You are comparing apple with oranges. The apartments comes empty, the hotel rooms not only are more in numbers but they have to be delivered fully furnished, and with all the neccessarily infrastructure, administration and staff enrollment/training completed.

Nad
March 18th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Sorry FWIW I didn't take any photos.

Next time I'll take my camera!

FWIW
March 19th, 2008, 01:13 PM
Sorry FWIW I didn't take any photos.

Next time I'll take my camera!

No probs Nad!

Where and what have you bought in BC?

Beppe786
March 19th, 2008, 01:45 PM
Marina view or Oasis View!! :lol:

Nad
March 19th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Marina view - thankfully. 24th floor 1 bed at the front in west tower.

Caesar7
March 19th, 2008, 03:45 PM
yep Nad - I am also on the 24th floor, however WT.

I think anybody bought in BC expecting any sea views should not have bought as it will basically not exist - except of some very few apartments.

Morrismarina
March 19th, 2008, 09:27 PM
So you're both next to each other then in the West tower. 2401 & 2412 ??

Nad
March 19th, 2008, 09:33 PM
I have purchased west tower 2401

Beppe786
March 20th, 2008, 02:59 PM
whats the development on the east side of bay central?

looks like ground work for another building, anyone know the name?

par4
March 20th, 2008, 04:18 PM
I think it is pier 8 you are refering to.

glover
March 23rd, 2008, 07:19 PM
another render showing that sea facing apartments in Bay West will actually get a sea view from the gap between JBR and al-fattan.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5133/4cru62vlk8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5133/4cru62vlk8.a73fa063dc.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=504&i=4cru62vlk8.jpg)

UK_TO_DUBAI
March 25th, 2008, 01:11 PM
hello there...
anybody...new pictures please...
thanks

Parisian Girl
March 26th, 2008, 05:00 AM
Could someone tell me if Bay Central is completely sold out please. :)

glover
March 26th, 2008, 10:27 AM
today. crane is operational.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5799/bc1ah3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2122/bc2km5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3662/bc3cu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6631/bc4oh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

UK_TO_DUBAI
March 26th, 2008, 01:16 PM
thank you very much Glover

things are moving....good news???

opinion welcome.

DXBGO
March 26th, 2008, 02:38 PM
Could someone tell me if Bay Central is completely sold out please. :)

According to the DS site The Torch, Botanica and Bay Central are all sold out

:cheers:

mackie1964
March 26th, 2008, 02:51 PM
Yes, Let us have a party to celebrate :bash::bash:

They are only good at two things, lying and selling. Building Towers is secondary, W****kers :bash:

FWIW
March 26th, 2008, 04:01 PM
another render showing that sea facing apartments in Bay West will actually get a sea view from the gap between JBR and al-fattan.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5133/4cru62vlk8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5133/4cru62vlk8.a73fa063dc.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=504&i=4cru62vlk8.jpg)

Normally, sales videos show the development in the best light - that CG above is misleading as it does not show JBR in the correct positions, and hence makes the sea view look worse then what I think it really would be like!

This one is better:
http://i26.tinypic.com/8xr2mh.jpg

Here are some pics to show you what I mean (courtesy of DubaiFlo and his helicopter team):
Red frames are the areas that will be affected by the proposed OBH tower.

http://i31.tinypic.com/500cg4.jpg

and another pic:
http://i28.tinypic.com/2cfa2cy.jpg

And views from other side:

http://i32.tinypic.com/21c8jdc.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/117vh2r.jpg

IMHO All 3 BC towers will have great sea views!

High Times
March 26th, 2008, 04:14 PM
IMHO

There is a massive difference between "having a great sea view", and being able to see a glimpse of the sea through a gap between some towers.

It is f**king unbelievable how stupid things are getting in Dubai.

This is a great sea view.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5479/74119007bq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Not this

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9880/41827488ut3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mackie1964
March 26th, 2008, 04:20 PM
Looks like Mykonos, sntorini or one of the other Islands in Greece, I am sure I have been there :)

I doubt if BC will have any decent Sea views. JBR are worried about their views never mind BC. :bash:

High Times
March 26th, 2008, 04:28 PM
^^

Correct

Mykonos Grand Hotel & Resort, Mykonos

FWIW
March 26th, 2008, 05:15 PM
If the sea views are not that great, then I'll just have to make do with my unobstructed marina views then! :lol:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2mwgoed.jpg

glover
March 26th, 2008, 05:26 PM
to be fair, i would say that the greek island view is "stunning" instead of "great", while BC sea view is decent. i have a partial sea view in my apartment in al-sahab, and the view with all of JBR's pools looks really good!

Parisian Girl
March 26th, 2008, 05:59 PM
According to the DS site The Torch, Botanica and Bay Central are all sold out

:cheers:

Thank u :cheers:

Yes, Let us have a party to celebrate:bash::bash:

They are only good at two things, lying and selling. Building Towers is secondary, W****kers :bash:

^^ :hahaha:

BIG fan of DS huh :D

Beppe786
March 27th, 2008, 04:12 PM
your get a view like that..

http://www.aucc37.dsl.pipex.com/pictures/07.jpg[/QUOTE]

FWIW
March 28th, 2008, 07:01 PM
In case you haven't seen these, check out The-King's pictures:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=19303120#post19303120

:applause:

True Blue
March 28th, 2008, 09:59 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3133/2365947297_4cceffc478_o.jpg

Parisian Girl
March 29th, 2008, 03:50 AM
^^ Wow, unbelievable shot!!!

Gourmet Tower topped out and making me hungry! :D

Beppe786
March 31st, 2008, 01:53 PM
with our purchase price.. was parking space included or is that available too buy after?

FWIW
March 31st, 2008, 04:37 PM
I think that the title of this thread is incorrect with regards to number of floors in each tower.

From Emporis I have found this: http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=117679

Buildings of Bay Central

Building Floors Year
Bay Central 2 50 2009
Bay Central 1 42 2009
Bay Central 3 42 2009

Not sure if this has changed or was wrong from the start?

ps500
April 1st, 2008, 02:38 AM
with our purchase price.. was parking space included or is that available too buy after?


Beppe, you get one parking place with your 1 bed unit

Suj-D
April 1st, 2008, 10:25 AM
I think that the title of this thread is incorrect with regards to number of floors in each tower.

From Emporis I have found this: http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=117679

Buildings of Bay Central

Building Floors Year
Bay Central 2 50 2009
Bay Central 1 42 2009
Bay Central 3 42 2009

Not sure if this has changed or was wrong from the start?

The current number of floors on this thread are an update from Select Property, and i shall try and get an update from them, in case it has changed one again!

ps500
April 3rd, 2008, 01:30 AM
Ground work continues on the enormous Bay Central plot, a tower crane is now operational which will lift materials around the site.

http://i26.tinypic.com/20i7tx0.jpg

The hundreds of piles for the base of the development are still being drilled and all the tie backs are in place for the shore wall of the development.

http://i26.tinypic.com/21mdobq.jpg

The tie backs are a crucial part of the foundations.

http://i27.tinypic.com/30wy3hj.jpg

Dewatering activity is underway and the large tanks you can see onsite hold the liquids used for the piles.

http://i29.tinypic.com/2h2lhmg.jpg

The large yellow diggers visible on site continue the excavation around the piles.

http://i31.tinypic.com/1il946.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/2pri4xk.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/30urg3t.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/20i7tx0.jpg

bizzybonita
April 3rd, 2008, 02:04 AM
is there any thing about The point tower Construction Update . thanks

ps500
April 3rd, 2008, 02:10 AM
is there any thing about The point tower Construction Update . thanks

Bizzy, sorry I can only see the area in which I have invested

True Blue
April 3rd, 2008, 02:13 AM
For "tie backs" read anchors.

For "diggers" read drilling rigs. These excavate inside the pile sheild (caisson) some have augers for excavating the sand and weak rock others have rock ripping/cutting teeth to cut into the strong bedrock.

The "liquids used for the piles" will be a bentonite slurry. Once the excavation process is complete the steel reinforcement cage is lowered into the metal caisson which is then filled with the slurry. The tube is extracted by the crawler cranes fitted with high freq vibrators and the slurry supports the sand from falling into the reinforcement. Then a concrete pump arrives and pumps concrete through a long tremy(special hose) into the base of the pile. This concrete displaces the slurry which is picked up by another pump and transferred back to the big yellow tanks for storage and reuse.

^^ Non driven piling techniques for dummies. That is the normal process although variations exist. Sorry for boring anyone but the DS descriptions are awfull to the initiated. :)

ps500
April 3rd, 2008, 02:18 AM
Thanks True Blue. Are you able to determine from the photos how the rate of progress compares with other sites. Also any update on your usually optimistic assessment of potential completion date ?

bizzybonita
April 3rd, 2008, 02:19 AM
Bizzy, sorry I can only see the area in which I have invested

PM the website of developer , thnx for advance

True Blue
April 3rd, 2008, 02:23 AM
Sorry no! We have no layout drawing for the piles so we can't determine whether they are nearly complete or just starting.

I would expect 3 or 4 more months installing the bearing piles. The basement is massive so I don't expect this one will be out of the ground this year even if they do get straight onto it.

Morrismarina
April 6th, 2008, 06:38 PM
5th April 2008:

http://i25.tinypic.com/35l4tg2.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/2lo6435.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/2elec89.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/ern3hs.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/2ylabev.jpg

jeetha
April 6th, 2008, 11:39 PM
Never before seen, that many workers on this site.

Is that you Morris in the above picture, standing with a stick in your hand? :lol:

Looks like you are winning at last.

Caesar7
April 7th, 2008, 05:47 PM
Thnks Morris - seems finally there is some movement ... :nuts:

Beppe786
April 11th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Had a telephone call yesterday.. Select have shop advertising resale properties with betterhomes and is managing it them self, from now on

Dubai_Steve
April 12th, 2008, 12:42 AM
Interesting, does that apply to all Dubai Select Properties and why the change ?

Beppe786
April 12th, 2008, 01:00 AM
now that all the torch, point and bay central have sold out. select have interest and want monitor and make money from the resale market..

plus i think they had too contact bhomes everytime for updates.. personally i didnt think much of betterhomes..

Dubai_Steve
April 12th, 2008, 01:08 AM
Good news then. Yes I also feel that better homes are quite poor at marketing. Strange that DAS Holding choose them.

bobby222
April 12th, 2008, 04:33 PM
i think you are right as i was planning to sell my studio apartment in bay central and i too got call from select property for re sale

Beppe786
April 15th, 2008, 01:03 PM
Anyone know whats going too be built on this bit sticking out?? or what project is behind this.. many thanks?

surely they cant built a small building on this bit aswell?

http://www.aucc37.dsl.pipex.com/pictures/out.jpg

FWIW
April 15th, 2008, 08:37 PM
^^ I think that is Marina Quays...(not 100% sure though)

The thread is here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=134322

Morrismarina
April 15th, 2008, 08:48 PM
I assume it's where the Marina has been filled in temporarily so they can build the coulmns that protrude into the water. Similar principle to where they filled in the Marina to build the new bridge. When the columns and floors above have been constructed they'll remove the packing.

glover
April 15th, 2008, 08:58 PM
^^^ that's exactly what it is!

Beppe786
April 15th, 2008, 09:41 PM
i was concerned... as i have that side view from my bay central apartment

they are only 12 floors...

thanks morris

UK_TO_DUBAI
April 18th, 2008, 11:45 AM
MORISMARINA, GLOVER, IMRE....NEW PICTURES PLEASE

regarding side veiw...marina quay is only 12 floor..so ppl who have their apartment above 15th floor will have clear view...i hope:nuts:

Beppe786
April 18th, 2008, 12:38 PM
from the cental tower above floor 19 i think you would be look over it, into the wider part of the marina

Jac23y
April 18th, 2008, 10:04 PM
I suppose its pointless at this stage to predict the Marina views from West tower from a 31st floor ?

Morrismarina
April 19th, 2008, 07:31 AM
very well done SP.......but not if you're the buyer. :lol:

m2
April 20th, 2008, 07:31 AM
Bay Central 18 April 2008

http://i27.tinypic.com/1eqm2b.jpg

plotman
April 22nd, 2008, 01:55 AM
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1408/dsc00205fk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9171/dsc00211zb6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

glover
April 22nd, 2008, 07:54 AM
great shots, thanks. for anyone who had any doubts, these pictures show very clearly that the back apartments in the west tower (the ones facing JBR/al-fattan) will definitely get partial sea views!

Beppe786
April 22nd, 2008, 12:42 PM
they are making progress slowly..

i spoke too select and they reasured me there on time for dec 2009.. which i dont think they will meet..

they also said most of the work time is the pilling as its such a large plot..

noir-dresses
April 22nd, 2008, 01:25 PM
Dont believe them, there a bunch of pencil pushers who work in london selling realestate in dubai, and most of them have never been in dubai not to mention knowing what is really go on there.

Give your self realistic expectations or else you will go bananas waiting.

Good luck, will be great when finished



they are making progress slowly..

i spoke too select and they reasured me there on time for dec 2009.. which i dont think they will meet..

they also said most of the work time is the pilling as its such a large plot..

charlie big potatoes
April 22nd, 2008, 08:33 PM
great shots, thanks. for anyone who had any doubts, these pictures show very clearly that the back apartments in the west tower (the ones facing JBR/al-fattan) will definitely get partial sea views!

Until the office block goes up in between al fattan and BC, look at the shape of it. At least anything lower the the 15th.

glover
April 22nd, 2008, 08:55 PM
i am referring to the gap between JBR and al-fattan to the left. that gap is not going to be blocked, there is a road there!

charlie big potatoes
April 22nd, 2008, 09:16 PM
i am referring to the gap between JBR and al-fattan to the left. that gap is not going to be blocked, there is a road there!

Yes glove so am I. Only the appts on the real left will see the water. Have these again been marketed by SP as views? Cmon, glimpses surely.

glover
April 22nd, 2008, 09:46 PM
from what i understand, the studios and 1 beds on the left will get a better sea view through that gap than the ones on the right.

i live in al-sahab and have a similar sea view through a gap in JBR. it is very nice and makes a whole lot of difference vs. an apartment with no sea view whatsoever! whether you like it or not, it is called a partial sea view and it really makes a huge difference compared to apartments with no sea view at all!

Dubai Addiction
April 23rd, 2008, 11:36 AM
Finished Bay Central today, after my vacation I'll try to make some renders

http://i32.tinypic.com/29c9xcx.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/167sbo3.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/2gxmi4i.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/15dmknr.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/f0snid.jpg

AltinD
April 25th, 2008, 04:55 PM
Back to the towers themselvs ...

FWIW
April 26th, 2008, 03:12 PM
Wow - thanks DA - amazing work as usual!

The-King
April 27th, 2008, 03:36 PM
you are very talented Dubai Addiction, awesome models!!!

Beppe786
April 29th, 2008, 02:03 PM
any guess too when the piling will be finished?? end of this year??

FWIW
April 30th, 2008, 12:02 AM
This is from Dubai_Steve - looks like Bay Central will have a tram stop right outside. Is this good or bad news? Good news i think!!!!!

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3732/tramroutefull5bz4.jpg

Dubai_Steve
April 30th, 2008, 02:17 AM
Good news of course, jump straight on from your doorstep and go direct to mall of emirates, marina mall, metro station, madinat jumeira, jumeirah beach hotel, internet city etc.

Beppe786
April 30th, 2008, 02:27 AM
i bet the tram system gets installed before select property finish any of there projects

Dubai_Steve
April 30th, 2008, 02:28 AM
:lol: Torch and Point will be ready but BC may not be. Tram completion date is April 4, 2011

charlie big potatoes
April 30th, 2008, 09:26 AM
i bet the tram system gets installed before select property finish any of there projects

Do You? I will take you up on that one.

FWIW
April 30th, 2008, 11:10 AM
Do You? I will take you up on that one.

Me too! Whats the stake Beppe? BC will defo be ready before 4th April 2011.:lol: and i'm ready to put money on it!

Beppe786
April 30th, 2008, 12:10 PM
i hope it does complete before then..

ill buy you a drink in bay central bar.. if i lose... lol :banana:

charlie big potatoes
April 30th, 2008, 12:15 PM
Me too! Whats the stake Beppe? BC will defo be ready before 4th April 2011.:lol: and i'm ready to put money on it!

Not sure about the BC thing but i am happy to have a bag of sand on the first bet at evens.

Beppe786
April 30th, 2008, 12:27 PM
i want select too complete at least one of there projects soo we can all see how well everything is.. and goes... see if people are happy!!

Caesar7
April 30th, 2008, 02:59 PM
excellent news ! - uprgrading BC even more the Tram in front of the buildings - nice :)

glover
April 30th, 2008, 05:16 PM
this will give a boast to BC prices for sure in the medium/long term.

Beppe786
May 5th, 2008, 12:32 AM
are select registration with RERA ?

cant find them on here..

http://www.dubairealestatecommunity.com/rpdubai/jsp/template.jsp?pageID=10011&&lang=0

Beppe786
May 5th, 2008, 12:37 AM
i found them... there on there. under Bay Central Developments Limited



:bash:

glover
May 5th, 2008, 08:08 PM
today

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1976/img0103ip2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1976/img0103ip2.5faf082ed1.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=257&i=img0103ip2.jpg)

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ps500
May 7th, 2008, 01:12 AM
http://i26.tinypic.com/1h9oa8.jpg

The ground-work construction continues with tanks on the Bay Central site drilling hundreds of pile-holes. Behind the piling rigs, the crane is lowering the steel rebar into a hole prepared by the piling rig. This steel rebar is reinforced by concrete which will be poured en masse once all the piling is complete.

http://i26.tinypic.com/1gsshk.jpg

April also saw the 2nd row of anchors (ties) being tensioned through the Bay Central shore walls. These ties support the existing piles allowing more of the site to be excavated. The shore piles and ties securely hold the site as the pressure becomes greater from the ground and marina wall.

http://i29.tinypic.com/10si0t4.jpg

Beppe786
May 7th, 2008, 12:47 PM
very slow progress.. doesnt look any different..

next payment due 1st june.. 7.183 rate yesterday... getting less money for the pound

mackie1964
May 7th, 2008, 01:24 PM
Great progress, what are you talking about? :cheers:

Thank you DS/SG :)

Beppe786
May 7th, 2008, 01:27 PM
im disperate too see some kind of building appear..

hopeful thinking.. :ohno:

plus i dont work for select.... lol

mackie1964
May 7th, 2008, 01:55 PM
Some people are just not satisfied what ever the progress, Things take time you know and thank your lucky stars that you are dealing here with the best British developer in Dubai. Now say you are sorry and we will forget all about it :banana:

glover
May 7th, 2008, 02:31 PM
at this pace, there is no way this project is going to be handed over before late spring/early summer 2011!

mackie1964
May 7th, 2008, 02:35 PM
A joint party for the Torch and Bay Central hand over, that is what I call a vision April 1st 2011. :banana::banana:

Sorry, the scruffy people from the point are not allowed :banana:

charlie big potatoes
May 7th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Some people are just not satisfied what ever the progress, Things take time you know and thank your lucky stars that you are dealing here with the best British developer in Dubai. Now say you are sorry and we will forget all about it :banana:

You talk real crap sometimes. Why should we thank our lucky stars we are the f...ing customers. Stick your party.........

jeetha
May 7th, 2008, 03:49 PM
I am comparing ground work pictures of Bay central to Silverene across the water. Maybe we have our party before you. Our party date is set to 30th June 2010. All Select staff are invited including Morris.

mackie1964
May 7th, 2008, 03:56 PM
You talk real crap sometimes. Why should we thank our lucky stars we are the f...ing customers. Stick your party.........

Only Sometimes? Other people would say all the times :banana:

You still barred from our Party :lol::cheers:

mackie1964
May 7th, 2008, 03:59 PM
I am comparing ground work pictures of Bay central to Silverene across the water. Maybe we have our party before you. Our party date is set to 30th June 2010. All Select staff are invited including Morris.

Morris was sacked for telling a few porkies but thanks for the invitation, we will be there :cheers:

AltinD
May 7th, 2008, 05:05 PM
^^ More like you made the impossible till him was sucked so you could take his place on the outfit. :no:

mackie1964
May 7th, 2008, 06:16 PM
:lol:

I've get to get to the top of the ladder somehow :cheers:

I have one problem that I need your help with, to keep this job permanently, I have to recruit True Blue :)

True Blue
May 7th, 2008, 10:22 PM
Isn't the first picture from one of our forumers on the Marina Quays thread?

m2
May 8th, 2008, 02:31 PM
Isn't the first picture from one of our forumers on the Marina Quays thread?

True Blue thanks for protecting my copyrights (#1373)
:cheers:

AltinD
May 8th, 2008, 05:35 PM
... The ground-work construction continues with tanks on the Bay Central site drilling hundreds of pile-holes ...

Ok, I understand that the big barrel would be perfect ... except the fact that it stands horizontally. :bash:



... and where are those hundreds of holes they are talking about, Mackie, first week on the job and telling porkies already? :lol:

Beppe786
May 8th, 2008, 06:08 PM
morris was ok...

bring him back!!

True Blue
May 8th, 2008, 11:27 PM
True Blue thanks for protecting my copyrights (#1373)
:cheers:

No probs. Cayan have or had a picture on their website which I posted on this forum. As a result everyone was sure I was an insider.

So which department of DS do you work in? :lol:

True Blue
May 8th, 2008, 11:35 PM
Ok, I understand that the big barrel would be perfect ... except the fact that it stands horizontally. :bash:



... and where are those hundreds of holes they are talking about, Mackie, first week on the job and telling porkies already? :lol:

To anyone with a little knowledge of construction DS descriptions of the works are hilarious.

"This steel rebar is reinforced by concrete..." :lol: other way round plonkers.
"Yes sir we are on program, please send your next payment ontime" :rofl::hahaha:

Dubai_Steve
May 9th, 2008, 06:26 PM
Where is morris? has he been banned ?

jeetha
May 9th, 2008, 08:38 PM
Where is morris? has he been banned ?

I dire you to write something bad about SP, Morris will be here, next to no time to defend. :lol:

Beppe786
May 12th, 2008, 02:10 PM
ill be out there next week, with my sum block on..

ill get select too take me too the site, so i can take some pictures

i will ask when they think the piling will be finished.. but ill add six months on the date they tell me..

:lol:

Imre
May 16th, 2008, 07:41 AM
15/May/2008

Bay Central

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3755/imresolt098ls7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8753/imresolt099pd9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ben40
May 17th, 2008, 10:45 PM
Any one interested in possible part exchange with my completed Time Place aprtment, 1 bed, 25th floor valued at 1.5. -1.7, cash either way?

Morrismarina
May 17th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Still very slow progress here. This piling work is taking forever.

True Blue
May 17th, 2008, 11:13 PM
Looks like more equipment on site. They wouldn't mobilise more plant if it was nearly finished so maybe a few months still to go.

buster007
May 18th, 2008, 12:29 AM
Still very slow progress here.

Sorry but What's new?

Morrismarina
May 18th, 2008, 10:09 AM
Sorry but What's new?

:weird: I wasn't intimating that anything was new.

The-King
May 19th, 2008, 12:15 AM
pics from charlie big potatoes from 11th May:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5504/dubaimay08042cd3.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7084/dubaimay08007no6.jpg

Suj-D
May 19th, 2008, 10:13 AM
Edited

charlie big potatoes
May 19th, 2008, 10:28 AM
sorry king the b and w pic above was sent in error. It is of a development to the right of BC.

FWIW
May 19th, 2008, 02:57 PM
Hello Everyone! Just came back from my hols in Dubai and Mauritius!:)

Here are some of my pictures - enjoy!:lol:


http://i28.tinypic.com/308vccp.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/okbul1.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/1zxsk0l.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/34984kh.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/v63m0j.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/adkwmg.jpg

Morrismarina
May 19th, 2008, 09:06 PM
It's interesting to compare the progress here with that at The Point which was launched only 7 months prior to BC. The progress on BC is painfully slow. Yes it is a much larger I accept that. But this should make no difference, they should simply put more resources onto the job. Like TB mentioned there are 3 piling rigs on Silverene which is a smaller plot and only 2 on BC. It's been 18 months since launch and 12 months since piling started here. It really is a bloody disgrace........riding this out to completion is costing investors a lot of money. :bash:

buster007
May 19th, 2008, 10:40 PM
Like I mentioned, "Whats new?" This is typical of all DS developments and geared primarily to "milk" the investor of hard earned cash. It's no surprise that the progress on the BC site is slow and I bet even at the contract stated completion date of Dec 09, this development wont be higher than the 3rd floor. Certainly, there is no way this one would break ground this year. For once i agree with you ... it's an absolute disgrace. You have always known that most investors would be paying into this right up to completion, so mentioning it here to me is simply to alert the investor to brace themselves for that. Funny enough, a DS sales rep told me that by the completion date of Dec 09, i would have paid 50% of the purchase price and would be in a position to rent the apt out funding the remaining 50% .... blatant lies just to make the sale.

Dubai_Steve
May 20th, 2008, 01:59 AM
^^ Want to swap a 2 bed marina facing in BC for a Torch 2 bed ? :D

DXBGO
May 21st, 2008, 12:47 PM
anyone interested in one bed central tower.looking to sell. marina facing high floor. PM me.

FWIW
May 21st, 2008, 01:31 PM
anyone interested in one bed central tower.looking to sell. marina facing high floor. PM me.

You really looking to sell? I thought we were gonna be neighbours!

DXBGO
May 21st, 2008, 02:03 PM
You really looking to sell? I thought we were gonna be neighbours!

i am keeping the other one. so we will still be neighbours.just returned from dubai last night.progress at bay central is slow. marina mall is coming up :cheers:very well

AltinD
May 21st, 2008, 03:54 PM
^^

Marina Mall = EMAAR
Bay Central = xyz developer

audir8
May 21st, 2008, 10:29 PM
Hi Guys. I have been following the site for ages and am real close to buying a studio here facing into the marina. 460 ft inc balcony from a friend at work. This studio seems to have a big balcony for such a small room. Its about half the way up and she wants 750k asap. Please please advise if this is a good buy, I can continue the lengthy plan of payment if I choose. Do you also get a parking space with the studio.

DXBGO
May 22nd, 2008, 10:02 AM
Hi Guys. I have been following the site for ages and am real close to buying a studio here facing into the marina. 460 ft inc balcony from a friend at work. This studio seems to have a big balcony for such a small room. Its about half the way up and she wants 750k asap. Please please advise if this is a good buy, I can continue the lengthy plan of payment if I choose. Do you also get a parking space with the studio.

hi welcome to forum. 750 k works out at 1680 aed/sq feet.which is a reasonable price.one car park space per apartment should be included but check with seller.also confirm who is going to pay the transfer fee +agent fees.:nuts:

audir8
May 22nd, 2008, 09:12 PM
Thanky you DXBGO. We have decided to deal. There is a space to park and we are included the fees etc. The style is number 11. I understand that this is very small appt but we thought the facility will be great with hotel attached. Plus 1 BED appt is 220 pounds here. We are so happy and tonight shall have a :cheers:

Morrismarina
May 22nd, 2008, 10:58 PM
Thanky you DXBGO. We have decided to deal. There is a space to park and we are included the fees etc. The style is number 11. I understand that this is very small appt but we thought the facility will be great with hotel attached. Plus 1 BED appt is 220 pounds here. We are so happy and tonight shall have a :cheers:

Congratulations on your purchase. You must have bought in the West Tower as there were no studios in the Central Tower. You will do very well here especially with short term (holiday) rentals if this is your plan - like you say the Hotel is a great feature.
The size of your studio is actually 462 sq ft as per the floor plan attached. This works out to AED 1,623 per sq ft which is a good buy seeing as I've heard ads in Gulf News are around 2,000 sq ft. Given the Marina Mall prices of around 2,500 sq ft and that there may be the possibility of the hotel acquiring additional rooms on a serviced apartment basis (only speculation at this stage) this does look cheap.
Only downside is the very slow speed of construction due to the lack of machinery and manpower for such a large site. Be prepared for a very long wait to get your keys, but will be well worth it in the long run. :cheers:

http://i11.tinypic.com/437ug55.jpg

High Times
May 22nd, 2008, 11:38 PM
The size of your studio is actually 462 sq ft as per the floor plan attached. This works out to AED 1,623 per sq ft which is a good buy seeing as I've heard ads in Gulf News are around 2,000 sq ft.

Yes congratulations, a fair price, not a bargain in my view, this will be a very nice project when it's finished in 2011-2012.

With regards to prices, this to me proves that actual selling prices are considerably lower than advertised asking prices. I also think this is the case all over the Marina/Dubai.

People seem to value their property investments by what they see similar units advertised for in the usual outlets; betterhomes, gowealthy, gulfnews etc.

If only more actual purchase price information was available, we could have a more accurate yardstick to value developments instead of what is the standard at the moment as this only fuels the speculative nature of Dubai and will cause harm in the medium term.

DXBGO
May 23rd, 2008, 01:20 PM
Thanky you DXBGO. We have decided to deal. There is a space to park and we are included the fees etc. The style is number 11. I understand that this is very small appt but we thought the facility will be great with hotel attached. Plus 1 BED appt is 220 pounds here. We are so happy and tonight shall have a :cheers:

congratulation audir8. as morris said it is a good buy. wellcome to club.:cheers:

Dubai_Steve
May 23rd, 2008, 03:57 PM
Anyone have an idea of resale prices for a 2 bed marina view in BC right now ?

DXBGO
May 23rd, 2008, 04:27 PM
cant find a 2 bed but there is a 3 bed on better homes site 1658 sq ft . asking 4,235130 aed:banana:

Dubai_Steve
May 23rd, 2008, 04:31 PM
:lol: They must be trying it on, that is 2554 psf which must be almost 100% premium on original price. Compare with the Torch which is more advanced in constructrion selling at approx. AED 1550 psf or 55% gain. No way a view is worth that much more psf. Maybe 15% to 20% more at most.

DXBGO
May 23rd, 2008, 08:54 PM
:lol: They must be trying it on, that is 2554 psf which must be almost 100% premium on original price. Compare with the Torch which is more advanced in constructrion selling at approx. AED 1550 psf or 55% gain. No way a view is worth that much more psf. Maybe 15% to 20% more at most.

yes torch is much advanced in construction. i have just returned from dubai and we were staying in grosvenor house. torch is going to be sandwiched on all sides.they have a vacant plot in front of torch for 3 super talls. facing torch from marina side it has marina heights on rt. and the new harbour hotel +another super tall going up next to harbour on the left.this will block a lot off investors views.
at least nothing can be built in front of bc:bash:

Morrismarina
May 23rd, 2008, 09:06 PM
Worth noting that Audir8 purchased the studio "from a friend at work" so perhaps the price was discounted somewhat here.

Dubai_Steve
May 23rd, 2008, 11:15 PM
An amazing view is only worth 15% to 20% extra. Location is the most important thing. BC has both ot these but the Torch still has a good location. So difference should be no more than 15-20% max if they are at the same state of completion. Torch will have 1.5 years additional rental income as handover will be no later than end of 2010.

audir8
May 24th, 2008, 01:39 AM
Worth noting that Audir8 purchased the studio "from a friend at work" so perhaps the price was discounted somewhat here.

My appt became for sale as colleague got pregnant and required a quick transfer. I am happy at this price I looked Zumrod here which is more money for studio, hope the choice was right.

Grubbman
May 24th, 2008, 10:06 AM
Sorry Steve but an amazing full marina view will be worth far more than 15% of one with zero view, this is not just Dubai but all over the world, when the marina is finished probably around 70% of all apartments will not have a view so the ones with will be very hot property IMO.

noir-dresses
May 24th, 2008, 07:25 PM
I took a better look, and the podium is really not that much bigger than marina mall and hotel.

If they do go ahead with this, it will be the place to be, not to mention the view.

FWIW
May 24th, 2008, 07:32 PM
Sorry Steve but an amazing full marina view will be worth far more than 15% of one with zero view, this is not just Dubai but all over the world, when the marina is finished probably around 70% of all apartments will not have a view so the ones with will be very hot property IMO.

Grubbman - 100% agree with you. There will be loads of towers that have no 'wow' views. The ones that have clear marina views will be worth a fortune.

My analysis to back these claims up? Have a look at this:

Bay Central Left view = 1100m
http://i30.tinypic.com/346swif.jpg
Bay Central Right view = 1200m
http://i32.tinypic.com/2rzqd7p.jpg
DMM hotel = 1300m
http://i30.tinypic.com/23ux2et.jpg
Marina Quays Tower = 1400m
http://i30.tinypic.com/1zqstbq.jpg

Of course, good views are only 1 variable - the rest of the development will need to be considered. Other investors will say they are near 5 Star hotels;in Bay Central we can say we have a hotel in our development.

Just my 2p worth.:cheers:

FWIW

Dubai_Steve
May 25th, 2008, 04:35 AM
Sorry Steve but an amazing full marina view will be worth far more than 15% of one with zero view, this is not just Dubai but all over the world, when the marina is finished probably around 70% of all apartments will not have a view so the ones with will be very hot property IMO.

To back that claim up you need to compare 2 equal units in other completed marina developments somewhere, one with a great marina view and one without in the same development. Compare the sale prices and calculate the percentage difference. I doubt it will be more than 20%

Beppe786
May 25th, 2008, 09:08 AM
im currently in dubai.. i was offers 1.2m for my 1 bed..

but a friend of mind told me too wait.. untill the yatch club will be completed as my apartment has the left hand view looking towards it.. and will increase the price..

any ideas on 1.2m now... shall i take it or wait?

audir8
May 25th, 2008, 11:27 AM
im currently in dubai.. i was offers 1.2m for my 1 bed..

but a friend of mind told me too wait.. untill the yatch club will be completed as my apartment has the left hand view looking towards it.. and will increase the price..

any ideas on 1.2m now... shall i take it or wait?

Beppe786 Is you offer a solid cards on table offer or a agent guy tell you that he can promise to get this figure? What appt number are you if this is ok question if not dont answer.

Beppe786
May 25th, 2008, 05:52 PM
soild offer.. not silly agents saying they have a interested buyer..

agents are upset with me as they have a buyer ready.. ive told them im waiting another offer..

im in two minds.. dont really want too sell it

floor 21



Beppe786 Is you offer a solid cards on table offer or a agent guy tell you that he can promise to get this figure? What appt number are you if this is ok question if not dont answer.

Yousuf27
May 25th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Sorry Steve but an amazing full marina view will be worth far more than 15% of one with zero view, this is not just Dubai but all over the world, when the marina is finished probably around 70% of all apartments will not have a view so the ones with will be very hot property IMO.

Grubbman - it may be true all over the World; - I'd agree with you there, - but to be honest this is not a World C;ass marina in any sense; - it can't be, - partly due to the bridges which preclude so many boats entering and berthing here. It doesn't have the beauty that most marinas have waterside. This isn't Porto Cervo or St Tropez; - the main interest in this marina is the towers and not the waterborne activity. For that reason I think the premium is restricted to 15 - 20% as Steve says - and hey that's quite a lot for what you're going to see. I'd say a good view of plenty of other towers at night is going to be more interesting than the marina by the time the construction is all complete.

Josau
May 26th, 2008, 10:24 AM
Grubbman - it may be true all over the World; - I'd agree with you there, - but to be honest this is not a World C;ass marina in any sense; - it can't be, - partly due to the bridges which preclude so many boats entering and berthing here. It doesn't have the beauty that most marinas have waterside. This isn't Porto Cervo or St Tropez; - the main interest in this marina is the towers and not the waterborne activity. For that reason I think the premium is restricted to 15 - 20% as Steve says - and hey that's quite a lot for what you're going to see. I'd say a good view of plenty of other towers at night is going to be more interesting than the marina by the time the construction is all complete.

^^I believe the best views will be: the Marina right in front of you with the high rises as a back drop. To be nose to nose with a high rise just means you have no view. A lot of flats will have just this. I totally agree, that Dubai Marina will never be Saint Tropez or Porto Cervo, you have to compare it to marinas in Chicago or Singapore. It is after all a VERY urban environment.

Jac23y
May 26th, 2008, 08:40 PM
My suggestion to you is if you can keep hold of it then don't sell just yet. As soon as the foundations go down and we start to see afew floors going up, the price will certainly increase.

Im aware as to the estimated time of completion, however if you can hold on as long as you can then I would say do so.

In my view and looking at other 1 bed apartments in Dubai Marina, I dont feel that 1.2 is a fair price of your 1 bed apartment on 21st flr (although I dont know how big your 1 bed apartment is) :ohno:

I understand BetterHomes was selling a 1 bed at Bay Central for 1.9 AED ( Its only what I heard and don't know how true this is)



soild offer.. not silly agents saying they have a interested buyer..

agents are upset with me as they have a buyer ready.. ive told them im waiting another offer..

im in two minds.. dont really want too sell it

floor 21

UK_TO_DUBAI
May 28th, 2008, 11:16 AM
I found Torch and The Point are doing well....lets hope same with the Bay Central...as being a biggest project DS should put more resources on site...

would love to see more pictures

glover
May 28th, 2008, 11:48 AM
agree here. having a five star hotel in the development with a la carte service sets this development apart from all others. imo, a one bed could easily fetch AED 2.5m here on completion. My suggestion to you is if you can keep hold of it then don't sell just yet. As soon as the foundations go down and we start to see afew floors going up, the price will certainly increase.

Im aware as to the estimated time of completion, however if you can hold on as long as you can then I would say do so.

In my view and looking at other 1 bed apartments in Dubai Marina, I dont feel that 1.2 is a fair price of your 1 bed apartment on 21st flr (although I dont know how big your 1 bed apartment is) :ohno:

I understand BetterHomes was selling a 1 bed at Bay Central for 1.9 AED ( Its only what I heard and don't know how true this is)

FWIW
May 28th, 2008, 06:04 PM
Has BC had a slight redesign?

http://i28.tinypic.com/2dhch7l.jpg

This looks different to this older picture:

http://i29.tinypic.com/2lb2yac.jpg

ps500
May 29th, 2008, 01:14 AM
Has BC had a slight redesign?



FWIW

The lower render was before they moved the hotel from the centre to the East tower, this would have involved a redesign of the entrance and podium.

Where did you get the new render from ?

FWIW
May 29th, 2008, 09:39 AM
FWIW

The lower render was before they moved the hotel from the centre to the East tower, this would have involved a redesign of the entrance and podium.

Where did you get the new render from ?

I got the picture from the gallery section of myselectproperty.com.

ps500
May 30th, 2008, 01:54 AM
New images from the members area of SP website:

http://i26.tinypic.com/2lxhstc.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/2woha93.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/33ubq5w.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/6xyq29.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/33k5hg4.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/15psuie.jpg

Dubai_Steve
May 30th, 2008, 04:25 AM
Nice interiors, looks like select property have taste and style after all.

Yousuf27
May 30th, 2008, 09:56 AM
Leaving aside the soft furnishing if they can achieve that standard of design and finish in their developments then I'm going to be a very happy bunny. I've not been particularly impressed with the standards of finish or design I've seen in most of the completed towers so far. Some are really quite bad and some are merely satisfactory - but I haven't seen much "wow factor" yet! I did visit Khoie's show apt at La Hoya Bay RAK and I'd say that was pretty good. The guy said "hand on heart" that this was truly representative of the intended finishes! Yeah whatever! We'll see!

UK_TO_DUBAI
May 30th, 2008, 12:31 PM
wow...nice interior....
Glover, Imre...pictures please

DXBGO
May 30th, 2008, 12:44 PM
picture are nice are tese for all apartment interiors or just for the intended hotel. bathroom looks like interior of grosvenor house hotel bathrooms

FWIW
May 30th, 2008, 12:50 PM
picture are nice are tese for all apartment interiors or just for the intended hotel. bathroom looks like interior of grosvenor house hotel bathrooms

I think the last 3 pics in the post are for the 3 floor townhouses.

ps500
May 31st, 2008, 01:50 AM
SP seem to have taken True Blue criticism of there commentary to heart, so unfortunately this month there is only photos.

TB we would welcome your commentary

http://i29.tinypic.com/2881kc5.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/rkvpz4.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/29u7ev.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/2qkp09h.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/2r6ilx1.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/s1orhh.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/5cwy8h.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/2ew2ova.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/sgtowh.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/2w4ffpw.jpg

True Blue
May 31st, 2008, 04:04 AM
I don't think it has anything to do with me. It is just that there is nothing new to add to their previous statements.

Bearing piles and ground anchors are still ongoing. If something new was happening they would let us know.

What would be interesting would be the percentage of bearing piles that have been installed, or some indication when construction will commence. :dunno:

Some ideas for the next update. :)

glover
June 1st, 2008, 09:01 AM
may 31

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6517/img0116ww1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6517/img0116ww1.ab9e4850f0.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=68&i=img0116ww1.jpg)

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2461/img0117rn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2461/img0117rn0.44c5812804.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=147&i=img0117rn0.jpg)

FWIW
June 2nd, 2008, 05:10 PM
Got this pic from TheKing's 300MB collection (found here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21283633&postcount=405) and cropped it to show BC:

http://i25.tinypic.com/dhfvxs.jpg

Also nice to see that the JBR Beach Club's grass is well looked after (NOT)!

Jac23y
June 2nd, 2008, 06:20 PM
Great picture FWIW !

The grass is in the process of being installed- thats the top soil we can see in the photo. Im impressed with the pool that they have installed - I was there only 4 weeks ago and there was nothing but a long wooden plank going away from the JBR Old Sales office building to the beach.

DXBGO
June 3rd, 2008, 05:06 PM
btw jac23y
didyou have to finalize your purchase in RERA offices or was it done by the agents.i heard rera have put a new ruling that all sales off offplan properties have to go thru them. just curious.

DXBGO
June 3rd, 2008, 09:10 PM
My suggestion to you is if you can keep hold of it then don't sell just yet. As soon as the foundations go down and we start to see afew floors going up, the price will certainly increase.

Im aware as to the estimated time of completion, however if you can hold on as long as you can then I would say do so.

In my view and looking at other 1 bed apartments in Dubai Marina, I dont feel that 1.2 is a fair price of your 1 bed apartment on 21st flr (although I dont know how big your 1 bed apartment is) :ohno:

I understand BetterHomes was selling a 1 bed at Bay Central for 1.9 AED ( Its only what I heard and don't know how true this is)

hi jac23y
since you have just returned from dubai. what is your opinion about selling a 1 bed apartment on bay central.i have one which i want to sell but reading thru forum i get mixed viewa. do you think i should hold onto it till development reaches above ground or sell now.your vews would be appreciated:bash:

Jac23y
June 4th, 2008, 08:18 PM
Absolutely- dont sell it :ohno: keep hold of it! atleast until the building take some form of floors and even then keep hold of it as long as you can.

The premuim's that are due on Bay Central will bring the prices of the apartments up really well. Its common practice that off plans projects prices rise considerably when the building takes forms and even then, during construction as many floors go in, the higher the price.

As it has been mentioned on this thread before- Bay C is the only 5 star hotel
a la carte serviced apartments- there is no other one like it on the Marina.

Hold on to it as long as you can ..... the only way is up (price)

In relation to you mentioning RERA - Who are they? I purchased the 2 bed re-sale via Better Homes and have paid the first payment and now I owe only the Developers, however I was told the payments schedule for the Developers for me are:

Sep 2008 20%
Mar 2009 20%
Completion 10%.

But I understand we should be paying the Developers Dec 08, June 09 etc and I prefer to pay the Developers on these dates and not the dates I ve been told by Better Homes- I have asked them to check with the Developers.

I am going to be in Dubai in a weeks time June 15th in relation to selling my other apartment and hope to see some development to the construction of Bay Central.



hi jac23y
since you have just returned from dubai. what is your opinion about selling a 1 bed apartment on bay central.i have one which i want to sell but reading thru forum i get mixed viewa. do you think i should hold onto it till development reaches above ground or sell now.your vews would be appreciated:bash:

DXBGO
June 4th, 2008, 09:34 PM
Absolutely- dont sell it :ohno: keep hold of it! atleast until the building take some form of floors and even then keep hold of it as long as you can.

The premuim's that are due on Bay Central will bring the prices of the apartments up really well. Its common practice that off plans projects prices rise considerably when the building takes forms and even then, during construction as many floors go in, the higher the price.

As it has been mentioned on this thread before- Bay C is the only 5 star hotel
a la carte serviced apartments- there is no other one like it on the Marina.

Hold on to it as long as you can ..... the only way is up (price)

In relation to you mentioning RERA - Who are they? I purchased the 2 bed re-sale via Better Homes and have paid the first payment and now I owe only the Developers, however I was told the payments schedule for the Developers for me are:

Sep 2008 20%
Mar 2009 20%
Completion 10%.

But I understand we should be paying the Developers Dec 08, June 09 etc and I prefer to pay the Developers on these dates and not the dates I ve been told by Better Homes- I have asked them to check with the Developers.

I am going to be in Dubai in a weeks time June 15th in relation to selling my other apartment and hope to see some development to the construction of Bay Central.

thanks for your advise. will keep hold of my apartment. RERA is real estate regulatory authority. i gather from 1st november 2008 all resale and sales will have to go thru Land department.
i am going to dubai on 23rd will go down and have a look at bay central construction as well
your payment terms are slightly different from mine. check with developers direct or with select property. thay have an office at emaar business park building 4. on 2nd floor i am sure they will clarify the payment terms for you.
have a good trip.
thanks for your advise:cheers:

Morrismarina
June 4th, 2008, 10:25 PM
The payment plan dates depend on when you bought, or if buying a re-sale when the original purchaser bought. It works roughly like this. The first payment is due within 30 days of receiving the contract. The second payment is due about 4 months later and then the other payments approximately every 6 months. So if you bought into BC early then your payment dates will be due earlier. Likewise if you were one of the last to buy from SP, your dates will be much later. The intervals between the payment dates are the same. So everybody can have different dates depending on the time they purchased, but the intervals/time between each due payment is the same.
This applies to all SP developments and also the 15 year payment plan. Everybody has different dates depending on the time of purchase. The payment dates are all detailed in the contract. :)

True Blue
June 5th, 2008, 12:10 AM
Jac23Y,

Payments are not related to progress in other words, so keep your cheque book handy and don't expect to see any "development to the construction of Bay Central".

Welcome to the real world of Dubai Select.

Dubai_Steve
June 5th, 2008, 01:57 AM
yes best to keep to the 15 year payment plan with select purchases, this gives you the best return should you decide to sell.

I think the same applies to most develpments in Dubai when you take out a mortgage of 15 years, you need to make payments during construction for the mortgages. The benefit with select of course is the low interest rate and no hassle of paper work and lengthy applications.

FWIW
June 5th, 2008, 05:46 PM
Bay central views?

Nice pic from the-king!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2133/2548436204_ecfb3a5380_o.jpg

DXBGO
June 12th, 2008, 01:27 PM
hi guys are all the forum members on holiday not had any new posts for a whole week.

FWIW
June 12th, 2008, 01:36 PM
hi guys are all the forum members on holiday not had any new posts for a whole week.

Or any discussions on that lovely picture I posted!!!

What's going on? Is there only me and DXBGO left here?:lol:

AltinD
June 12th, 2008, 04:26 PM
^^ The guys are watching the Euro 2008 it seams.

Jac23y
June 13th, 2008, 01:57 AM
Great Picture yet again FWIW!

Hows that for a comment!? :okay:

Or any discussions on that lovely picture I posted!!!

What's going on? Is there only me and DXBGO left here?:lol:

glover
June 13th, 2008, 10:42 AM
today. looks like some major progress here

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3497/img0121sh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3497/img0121sh9.ee614fd50a.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=211&i=img0121sh9.jpg)

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3453/img0122ot9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3453/img0122ot9.a1fefbdeb7.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=156&i=img0122ot9.jpg)

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1161/img0123pd9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1161/img0123pd9.f169603bf9.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=150&i=img0123pd9.jpg)

FWIW
June 13th, 2008, 11:24 AM
^^ Nice one Glover - Now that's what I'm talking about!

FWIW
June 13th, 2008, 11:33 AM
Here is a panorama for Glover's pics:

http://i32.tinypic.com/29m598p.jpg

DXBGO
June 13th, 2008, 01:02 PM
^^ Nice one Glover - Now that's what I'm talking about!
nice fwiw dont like it when no one posts things on forum. nice pic glover^^

Morrismarina
June 14th, 2008, 11:22 PM
Seems a fair bit of excavation has happened in two weeks here:

31st May

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6517/img0116ww1.jpg

13th June

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3497/img0121sh9.jpg

BTW many thanks for the photos Glover.......much appreciated. :banana:

JoeCoolSA
June 16th, 2008, 08:51 PM
Hello! I'm new...
Nice thread...plenty of infos!
Keep well...:okay:

FWIW
June 16th, 2008, 09:25 PM
Hello JoeCoolSA - Welcome!

Are you an investor in Bay Central or just passing by?

Doctor_UK
June 16th, 2008, 10:37 PM
glover... and everyoe else...

it's been more than 01 year since they started ground work.... still no real evidence that they will be above ground level soon.... updates on every other thread tell you something new each time..... but unfortunately, all of our bay central updates look more or less the same....

why are they sooooooooooooooo slow? with this speed.... i don't know how long will they take to complete and hand over the whole development...




....

Morrismarina
June 16th, 2008, 11:43 PM
Yes progress here is very dissappointing. It's only speculation on my part but I think the issue could be that DCE are too committed at present to actually start this build. So......progress has been paced accordingly, they are trying to finish the ground work to coincide with the time that DCE can commence work here.
Of course they could have put more labour and machinery on to the job and had the ground work all done several months ago. However this would have meant the plot lying idle for months, causing all sorts of speculation.....can you image it ??........ that SP were having funding problems, the project had been cancelled etc.etc.. Of course SP had to actually start the ground work to keep purchasers onboard and happy that construction had commenced. So my guess is that they are going along at this slow pace so investors can at least see some steady progress, even though it's at a snail's pace - we can all see people on site and working, keeping the pressure off SP.
I'm hoping that as we see the bulk of construction work at Park Island comming to a conclusion soon that DCE will then be able to swing that manpower over to Bay Central. The completion of the ground works are timed to coinicde with this IMO.
If you look at Silverene across the water, one of the "darlings of the forum" their official launch was in fact February '07 (only 3 months after BC) and despite all the comments about good progress, they're not any further ahead compared to BC.
On a positive note, Park Island went up very quickly indeed after the ground works were completed and I'm sure we'll see the same speed with BC once DCE get going, as the developments are roughly the same size.......give or take a tower and a hotel here and there. :lol:

FWIW
June 16th, 2008, 11:49 PM
I think the issue is down to what happened at the infinity plot - they are ensuring that this site does not turn into a swimming pool!