thought i would post this project here. not often a mjor city like Sydney acquires 22hec in CBD. Looks like there will be atleast 18 skyscrapers from 10storeys- 45storeys+. or 30m-180m+
Work is to commence in 2007 and take 10 years.
the State Gov have control over this baby so we wont get info until approvals of each design winner.

some diagrams and info
website> www.eastdarlingharbour.com.au
the big towers will be located here infront of Maritime board and next to KPMG
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more block forms
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Looks great although theirs no place like Sydney! :P

copied over from nsw thread

should add some nice density to the skyline

I like the parks.

A bit dissapointing for sydney i think. There where really high hopes for this, that sydney could have been getting a 300m+ signature tower, which would have looked great and gave the skyline a real landmark and viewpoint. Shame its not going to happen.

not gonna happen on waters edge. a 300m tower would over balance skyine. 200m is perfect. so many towers in project. will keep us busy on forum for next decade.

Better settle in this is going to be one long thread!

a 300m tower would have looked fine. It would be great having a large, landmark tower in a different spot like here, rather than in the centre like every other place on earth.

Hmmm just seems like another example of mediocrity for sydney. Hope I am eating my words in 10 years time though.

mediocrity?lol nah its called city planning. Sydney aint Dubai. its gots heritage areas and height limits to form a balanced in the cityscape.
Im actually suprised at the amount of skyscrapers for Baragaroo! such a massive project.hope the tallest starts first not last.

I agree that this will keep the balance of the skyline, and is probably the best option for the site. I just hope the towers aren't boring.

each building will go to design comp. so we should end up with some beauties!

this is the part of the wharf we were talking about a couple of years ago cull.

ah yes i remember. it was a very busy container terminal for so many years.i think it all gets done down at Botany now.

That will tie in the current 500mil expasion at Bbay ?

Recken it would be an awesome vantage point to view NYE fireworks.

How many office views will be spoilt by this development? Just noticed all those nice colourful buildings on the waterfront there will be behind baragaroo once completed.

^ gee thats just bad luck.never buy an office or apartment for views-confusious says.

^^ yes Aon and Veritas are sex. It's a pity they will be blocked. Esp considering they are part of a small, elite group of reflective, curtain-walled towers in Sydney.

^ya never know, the 4 skyscrapers infront of maritime board towers may also be glass shards that compliment them.

for fucks sake! who gives a shit about shadows across the water? we are going to be a laughing stock if we keep going with these stringent regualtions.
are we a global city or not??

SMH

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Justin Norrie Urban Affairs Reporter
November 2, 2006

THE shadow which would be cast from skyscrapers at Hungry Mile, near Darling Harbour, will stretch as far as Pyrmont.

By mid-afternoon the giant shadow from the development will have crept around to the south-east, casting its imprint across five city blocks.

As debate continues over claims by the former prime minister Paul Keating that Sydney is ugly, the State Government is preparing to finalise details for its massive foreshore project, now on display for public comment.

Images in the concept plan show a wall of skyscrapers, some 40 storeys, and stretching hundreds of metres to the north.

About 9am the office blocks, shops and apartment buildings spread across the development would cast a blanket of shade over the entrance to Darling Harbour.

The City of Sydney Council is concerned the project is drastically out of scale with the surrounding environment. But the former government architect Chris Johnson, who chaired the panel that chose the winning design for the Hungry Mile, said he did not see the size of the development or its shadow "as a major issue".

"There are plenty of buildings in the city - the AMP building or World Square, for example - that also have huge shadows, but they're swallowed up by surrounding buildings. We do want a city that's global, not local."

A trade-off had to be made to fund parkland at the north end of the site, he said.

"You could have a bit less shadow, but then no park."

The biggest office tower could reach 180 metres above sea level, taller than the nearby Westpac building on Sussex Street.

The Lord Mayor has called on the State Government to provide a transport plan for the surrounding streets, which are choked with traffic. The site, at the western side of the city, would eventually draw about 16,000 workers and 1500 residents.

An independent councillor, Marcelle Hoff, told the Herald that "these massive buildings are going to cast a huge shadow over the city, both physically and metaphorically. It's going to dwarf us in so many ways. This is a State Government that's struggling for funds and is trying to maximise the profit from public land."

The NSW president of the Royal Australian Institute of Architects, Deborah Dearing, said: "Sydney does seem to suffer from the attitude that bigger is better. Financially better and aesthetically better. I disagree with that and I think the city has occasionally suffered because of the view."

The Australian Property Council described the plans as "a modest urban renewal".

Its NSW executive director, Ken Morrison, said: "This is not like Canary Wharf in London, which is eight or nine times larger. The CBD needs to grow some more and to be honest, if you can't have a bit of height here, where can you have it?"

^^ Love the passion Cul ;)

That story was FRONT PAGE and in colour in todays SMH !!!
Gimme a break for fucks sake you SMH turds !
I have NEVER seen such negative shit in Sydney media about hi rise development, what with Redfern CBD redevelopment, CUB site, Barangaroo etc.

http://www.smh.com.au/frontpage/2006/11/02/frontpage.jpg

That story was FRONT PAGE and in colour in todays SMH !!!
Gimme a break for fucks sake you SMH turds !
I have NEVER seen such negative shit in Sydney media about hi rise development, what with Redfern CBD redevelopment, CUB site, Barangaroo etc.

its the SMH!!!!!!!!!!! (fairfax are the biggest left wing group in this country - hence why PBL needs to buy it :P)

what else do you expect from this newspaper??

I don't think that this will go any further though. The nimbys will not hold a lot of weight to support their argument. Just don't buy smh tomorrow if you really protest.

Is the City Council right?
To lessen the shadow we need to consolidate the project into two huge towers casting morning shadows as far away as strathfield.

its the SMH!!!!!!!!!!! (fairfax are the biggest left wing group in this country - hence why PBL needs to buy it :P)

Yes, so all our media can be sensationalist, right wing bollocks.

In a country with high skin cancer rates, shadows should be seen as a good thing!

Shots of the model, which can be viewed at the Lands Department building in Bridge Street

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The tallest building appears that it will be no taller than KENS on the skyline

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as i said in other thread. the surrounding models were incorrect.lots of bldgs taller then what they are and vice versa.the tallest at barangaroo will be atleast 180m while kens is 145m to roof. so it will be alot higher on skyline.

I think that there should be one landmark supertall on the site and then make the surrounding buildings a little or lot shorter.

The supertall should be 450m+.

Think about it - there would be three major landmarks in Sydney all clustered in one end of the city.

ALso, even though every building will be put to design competition, doesn't the government choose it???? And the NSW Government has a reputation for choosing the most blandest and boringest entry's and also has a reputation for appointing panels that decide on the same values mentioned above.

A design comp might not make much of a difference.

its the SMH!!!!!!!!!!! (fairfax are the biggest left wing group in this country - hence why PBL needs to buy it :P)

what else do you expect from this newspaper??

Zach, it is okay that mass media are critical of the government. It makes government more accountable and more responsive to public criticism.

Without diverse media, democracy doesn't function.

I think that there should be one landmark supertall on the site and then make the surrounding buildings a little or lot shorter.

The supertall should be 450m+.

Think about it - there would be three major landmarks in Sydney all clustered in one end of the city.

ALso, even though every building will be put to design competition, doesn't the government choose it???? And the NSW Government has a reputation for choosing the most blandest and boringest entry's and also has a reputation for appointing panels that decide on the same values mentioned above.

A design comp might not make much of a difference.

I agree to a certain extent but I'd rather abandon the idea and Wack a 600 to 700 metre tower around central. Possibly on the top of the Pacels and Post Building. I'd rther see this grassed over with water features and some low-rise public buildings - possibly new exhibition facilities.

I would only support a tallie near Central if the skyline spread continuously to Redfern. Otherwise, it would like out of place.

^^ of course the skyline should have continuity.

But then again what is wrong with a financial district - midtown arrangement like in Manhattan?

It's hard to have an entertainment precinct and financial precinct in one spot. Can't place cinemas and theatres in skyscrapers because it will take up too much space especially lobby. Plus, cultural buildings are not meant to be skyscrapers.

Maybe a financial district in Chippendale and entertainment near Central and Broadway.

No no that's not what I mean. NYC has Financial district downtown and them uptown a bit there is the entertainment around Midtown - two very distinct skyscraper clusters.

I agree it's much better to have the finance and entertainment separate. You can have the museums and theatres in skyscrapers though, just start off with larger footprints and more space between the towers.

I think between Central and Sydney Entertainment district it can easily become an entertainment precinct but Council have to be more creative in luring buisness over there and provide much more open space. You have the broadway shopping centre, chinatown, lightrail connection and haymarket.

I still can't help but feel disappointed that this is a real wasted opportunity - again. Why can't they just consolidate all of the towers on block 2 into one big signature tower over 350 metres, and make it elliptical and angled to minimise shadow over the precious precious water. From the postcard shot east of the city looking west it'd be poking out behind the Chifley talls, so would be suited brilliantly I think! :)

350 metres,

waaaaay above the height limit.

I'm aware of the height limit, I was merely expressing a fanciful wish for something more imposing...

hey i'm with ya ;)

i think Sydney desperately need a new music hall. Not a big entertainment centre, but a smaller one which has an intimate feel.

Something like a Heineken Music Hall in Amsterdam.
http://www.heinekenmusichall.nl/english.php#

Where the music hall holds small concerts, parties, jazz, salsa and so on. I don't think SOH is enough because over the years the regulation really has destroyed the musical scene in pubs.

Maybe locate it in EDH where the parks are or replace the old Sega world in Darling Harbour.

the old Sega world in Darling Harbour.

What is being done with that ATM anyway??

What is being done with that ATM anyway??

It's just an empty hall as far as I know.

^^^^

Wow. That's really interesting.

Thought something would have been done with it by now. Sega World closed years ago.

I know they held a night club there a few years back, not sure if they're still doing that.

Well, whatver they dedide to do with it, they must get rid of that monstrosity of a roof.

I like Sega World and I actually know some the people that worked on it. Its different and tacky and I'd rather it stay as some kind of dance club.

I love the cone atop Segaworld. :) There has been proposals to build apartments on the site.

segaworld is going to be torn down and replaced with units. i told you this last year.

segaworld is going to be torn down and replaced with units. i told you this last year.

Woo hoo.

Saying that. If the roof on the new building is any worse than the blue fucking cone, i'll have officially lost all faith in humanity and will shoot myself.

Woo hoo.

Saying that. If the roof on the new building is any worse than the blue fucking cone, i'll have officially lost all faith in humanity and will shoot myself.

i will keep that sentance to the record if you actually do it.

[mental note to self]

apartment? what!!!

can we please get a cultural venue?

apartment? what!!!

can we please get a cultural venue?

No, it's Sydney.

Currently Sega World is used as a furniture expo lol.

segaworld is going to be torn down and replaced with units. i told you this last year.

Personally I think that's a waste.

No, it's Sydney.

Currently Sega World is used as a furniture expo lol.

And is used to promote the NT. They have a centre there and sell souvenoirs as well

Personally I think that's a waste.

Why?

it will have retail/restaurants on grd floor and the tower above will be stepped form from 5storeys at northern end and 15storeys at south end.

Why

I like the building and there are far more sites around the city that need to be reduced to rubble before this ... IMO

I would personally pay for the dynamite to blow segaworld up....its a very ugly & tacky piece of work.

Back on the topic.....does anybody know when construction on Barangaroo is due to start???

Well that was a random Remark ^^^

Segaworld was the worst themepark ever. Waste of money and time for patrons and owners.

I like the design concept of the site. I hope the buildings are well designed and not just boxes from the 70's.

sorry to sidetrack (some more) but whatever happened to one world sport down near sega world? i always thought that place did well.

Can we have this please? It is under CASA rule and since Barangaroo is listed in "State Significance" jurisdiction [thus doesn't fall under City of Sydney jurisdiction] , it can still be done. :D

310m
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Who the hell is CASA? And why are they such a diety for!?

CASA= civil aviation safety authority
http://www.casa.gov.au/

courtesy of airliners.net
barangaroo site novo6
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^^ ahh yes. The wings of the Web. Maybe from that plane, you can take aerial shot of Barangaroo?

CASA licks gina.


BTW yes LTB would be hot.

Hungry for votes: it's no, Darling

link: smh (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/debnam-hungry-for-votes-its-no-darling/2007/02/08/1170524236568.html)

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A campaign must be coming ... Peter Debnam and his wife, Deborah, pose yesterday in front of the East Darling Harbour development site.

Photo: Peter Morris

Anne Davies State Political Editor
February 9, 2007

A DEBNAM state government would junk plans to redevelop East Darling Harbour for high-rise office buildings, instead preserving the area as a working harbour with some low-rise development and a park.

The Liberal planning spokesman, Chris Hartcher, said: "We don't support the planned redevelopment of East Darling Harbour because it's inconsistent with our working harbour priorities. We will not be proceeding with it.

"The name can stay - Barangaroo Bay or the Hungry Mile or whatever. But the actual development will severely impact on Sydney traffic by bringing 13,000 additional vehicles into the city a day."

The Liberal leader, Peter Debnam, staking out fresh political turf before next month's state poll, said he wanted a review of the plan for East Darling Harbour, to bring it back in line with the original vision of the winning architect, Hill Thalis Architecture and Urban Projects.

"Anything that looks like a canyon of high-rise up East Darling Harbour is wrong and must be stopped. You have got to retain the character of the area, and treasure it, not trash it," Mr Debnam said.

Under the Government's blueprint for the 22-hectare site, half would become a new park and the balance would be developed into 300,000 square metres of offices, units and hotels along with enhanced port and passenger terminal facilities. The office buildings, some as high as 36 stories, would be concentrated at the southern end within walking distance of Wynyard Station, and would house up to 25,000 workers. Then the height would dip to a series of residential buildings containing about 700 apartments.

Announcing that plan last year, Mr Iemma said the emphasis on office space would "keep investment and jobs in Sydney, so the city can continue to grow and maintain its status as the financial hub of the Asia-Pacific region".

But Mr Hartcher said the Government's proposal would put 13,000 extra vehicles a day into the city.

"It would create a traffic disaster. We don't agree that the CBD needs expanding. It's close to saturation point already," he said. "The metropolitan area needs to grow but not necessarily the CBD."

The Opposition's policy has stunned the property industry, which has strongly campaigned for East Darling Harbour to be devoted in part to more CBD office space.

"Peter Debnam's plan is wrong," said the NSW Property Council's executive director, Ken Morrison. "The CBD needs to grow as this is Australia's only global city. East Darling Harbour is an opportunity to ensure that this pre-eminent position continues. A choice confronts us when Patrick [stevedores] leaves next year: an empty shed on a concrete slab, or a generous park with an extension of the CBD with hotel, retail and residential development."

The Lord Mayor, Clover Moore, has expressed her concerns about the Government's plans, particularly the lack of access to public transport to move 25,000 workers.

The nearest train station is Wynyard, six blocks up the hill from the waterfront.

Cr Moore was unavailable for comment last night.

Mr Debnam said he would work with the Lord Mayor on the revised plan.

"This government is conducting a fire sale of every bit of open space, but they refuse to reform the bureaucracy. They have decided to feed the bureaucracy by selling off prime land," he said.

Mr Debnam has also pledged to maintain a working harbour by keeping the White Bay car unloading facility as well as other maritime facilities around the harbour.

Mr Hartcher said that if the Coalition won government on March 24 it would develop a comprehensive plan for the harbour, beginning with the White Bay-Rozelle area.

Mr Debnam pointed to the importance of the harbour as an economic asset.

"I have lived on ships on Sydney Harbour, I have worked on the wharves here, was in the navy for nine years.

"It's not just a sentimental attachment; this is an economic asset. I have never understood the logic of unloading cars at Port Kembla and driving them back to inner metropolitan Sydney where most of them are sold," he said.
BATTLEGROUND


* Redevelopment proposed by Bob Carr in 2005, with suggestions of an iconic building to rival the Opera House.

* Final proposal announced by Morris Iemma a year ago, with the iconic building nowhere to be seen.

* Western half of site for public use, with a park, pool and promenade.

* Nine blocks of commercial and residential buildings on eastern side.

We don't agree that the CBD needs expanding. It's close to saturation point already," he said. "The metropolitan area needs to grow but not necessarily the CBD."

So is he basically saying he doesn't want the CBD to expand any further and he advocates more sprawl??

Just another reason not to vote for the bloke.

Debnam wants to ditch it, but what does he want for the site??? Please Explain.

And how would low rise development and a park fit in with the concept of a working harbour? No mention of maratime related development either?

Mr Debnam states he wants it to fit with the original concept of the winning Hill Thalis/Urban Projects scheme: that's not going to solve the alleged traffic problems as it's pretty much the same as what is now proposed by the government.
The statement that also alarmed me was "We don't agree that the CBD needs expanding. It's close to saturation point already...The metropolitan area needs to grow but not necessarily the CBD." Do you think he understands what he has said, the ramifications of such a belief? Talk about lack of vision! I gather Mr Debnam is 'a really nice bloke' but his club-footed naïvety really scares me.
As much as I think the government needs a boot up the arterial, it looks like voting against it is a matter of 'out of the frying pan, into the fire'.

What a tool. The bit about we dont want buildings but will develop smaller buildings anyway is whack. And White Bay/Rozelle already has a master plan to conincide with changes to shipping when the stevadores move out of Darling Harbour.
Good to see Clover Moore getting her two cents in (sarcasm) most of her opposition probably about the evil tall buildings blah blah, although the traffic/public transport concerns are legit.

Debnam is getting worse and worse everyday.

He is a NIMBY. For Barangaroo and for desalination plant.

Slightly off topic from the above mentioned NIMBY, but is the cruise terminal in Darling Harbour going to be a good investment? Considering cruise ships are getting larger (QM2 cant fit under the bridge) wouldnt the terminal have a limited useful lifespan as older/smaller ships are phased out in favour of the larger ones?

Also, just thought about the potential for Penrith or Blacktown to ascend to prime place as the regions chief financial centre. :lol: Doesnt look like it will happen so what the f**k is Debnam going on about when he says the city is full, lets build elsewhere?

Boy, vote this guy in and with your present council you guys are really going to be in for a fun time.

""It's not just a sentimental attachment; this is an economic asset. I have never understood the logic of unloading cars at Port Kembla and driving them back to inner metropolitan Sydney where most of them are sold," he said."

Surely, and correct me if I am wrong, the majority of cars sold throughout Sydney would be sold in the Suburban car lots as opposed to the city Center.. I mean, there are not THAT many car sales places in the CBD. Unloading them at Port Kembla and having them trucked to wherever they need to be sold would be no more illogical than unloading them in the middle of the CBD and having them ALL trucked through already overcrowded roads out into the Suburbs. Perhaps the expansion of Port Botany should (If it doesn't already) make allowances for car holding facilities.. seems like having one major sea-freight facility in the city would be easier to control than having multiple smaller ones scattered around the already crowded CBD. Just my :2cents:

He may aswell announce now that he plans to destroy Sydney, as he is really a renegade!

What is it with Liberals? They are just so shocking and crap. I can't believe they will even get 2 votes! First he is accused of racism, as he is anti-multiculturalism and now anti-development. Maybe this is a scandal... Iemma gave him money so that no1 would vote for him, because I am sorry? Debname is so dumb, a dumb that cannot be comprehended... like he is such an idiot its not funny, i think authorities should interegate him, i dont believe he is that stupid... something is going on! He is practically asking ppl not to vote for him.

Debnam is getting worse and worse everyday.

He is a NIMBY. For Barangaroo and for desalination plant.

I don't think he is a nimby, but he just want to oppose everything Iemma Morris does. He always oppose and I'm getting sick of it.

He is a NIMBY. For Barangaroo and for desalination plant.

I find it funny the liberals support business yet in development terms, they are not supportive of developments that would be of benefit to business in Sydney. They tend to support sustainable development as well and don't want the cowboy developers running the place and wrecking the city, which is good.

I can understand why they the development is excessive and unsustainable in their view, because the area lacks the infrastructure at present, but if they can provide the infrastructure, then the site is more capable of supporting the development.

And half the land will remain in public hands and access to the harbour will be improved. :)

He's definately right on desalination plants as they are simpler and cheaper soultions that will remedy the problem, but that belongs in another thread. He's not a NIMBY either on the matter

And todays SMH is reporting that he (Debnam) will review the plan if elected on March 24

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I hope it goes ahead. I saw it on the news today and they said there is a very high chance of it going ahead to construction.

They said it should start construction next year.

Rezoning this year and construction next year.

^^ I want construction to start now! When will shipping be re directed to Port Kembla?

On another note, I just heard an american friend try to pronounce Barangaroo.
It came out as Berengereeeew. Not nice at all.

yes the early works will start late2007 early 2008. Most of work will be new park over next year. but ive been told some of the bldgs will also commence.lets hope its the BIG ONE at southern end.Ive also been told the 180m height envelope its been given isnt sign sealed and delivered until stage 1 DA is put forward. In other words who ever is going to build the bldgs especially the tallest may ignore the envlope and go for broke and exceed limit 200m+ or even 250m etc. Lets hope someone with balls does.I think the site should have a height limit bldg to balance the eastern edge of city. time will tell.

It will be the only period in Sydney's history that we can get 250m+ tower. If not, we are doomed for decades.

yeah, would be nice to have abstantial project occupy the site.like this>
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Nothing here since Feburary???? I think we forgot about it.

Anyways, the docks are now closed and the clean up of the site and demolition has begun.

Plans are also being made for it to host a mass when the pope visits Sydney next year for World Youth Day, when he arrives in Sydney. As many as 150 000 will cram into the area for it.

this is what happens when you have two threads.
the latest>

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=532289

demolition of existing structures starts next month!

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will the projects start being constructed from South and work towards the North, or the other way around?

I think the foreshore areas and parks will start first and roads. then some of the developments. It wont be north or south. maybe a big tower will start with a few small bldgs at north end.the whol site will be done in 10 years.

So probably this skyscraper development in Barangaroo won't start in this upcoming office-space boom (next year)? The next office space boom would probably be another 5 years away.

whats the rush?

I could be dead in tens years!

I could be dead in tens years!

You could be dead tomorrow.

You could be dead tomorrow.

I hope not but maybe :op

I hope not but maybe :op

I'll be 25 and sexy with a hot body in 10 years, how old will you be?

I think they should wait as long as it takes until stupid CASA and FSR rules are abolished. Then go to town!

Sydney City Council have nothing to do with this development. It's the Sydney Harbour Foreshore Authority that will be responsible for the site and hence will have its own planning policy. Frank Sartor will ultimately decide what will be appropriate for the site, and given his record, we'll more than likely get some biggies.

Sydney City Council have nothing to do with this development. It's the Sydney Harbour Foreshore Authority that will be responsible for the site and hence will have its own planning policy. Frank Sartor will ultimately decide what will be appropriate for the site, and given his record, we'll more than likely get some biggies.


Yippies! *crosses paws for Mirvac-type QUALITY*

Will there be an underground rail station for Barangaroo?

There are no plans for PT at the moment, except for the likelyhood of a ferry service.

Latest newsletter. Will be great for finding out the latest - http://www.eastdarlingharbour.com.au/downloads/Barangaroo_Newsletter_Issue1.pdf

PT for a new sydney residential area???? Bahahahahaha... That is not in any governments nature. You pay your infrastructure levy for nothing. There are never any plans to build any PT when there is a new development or mass sub-division. That happens 50 years down the track when there is too much pressure.

Were talking about a CBD precient here with people living and working in the area. To do nothing is wrong.

Were talking about a CBD precient here with people living and working in the area. To do nothing is wrong.

You are forgetting though that "Nothing", in terms of infrastructure development, is what our government DOES.

I'm still pissed about the name. "Barangaroo"...gimme a effing break. Last time I checked we were 98% non-aboriginal.

today
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I'm still pissed about the name. "Barangaroo"...gimme a effing break. Last time I checked we were 98% non-aboriginal.

I don't think it's a silly name at all. Barangaroo was the wife of Bennelong. There are many places across Australia with Aboriginal names.

A bit more info on why here - http://www.smh.com.au/news/property/whats-in-a-name/2007/01/12/1168105152671.html

gimme a effing break.

gimme gimme more, gimme more, gimme gimme more.

I'm kinda glad they kept the aboriginal name.
With the public transport thing.... i feel your pain.

Love the potential; can't wait for some of the design comps to happen and some concrete sex to shoot up!

I don't think it's a silly name at all. Barangaroo was the wife of Bennelong. There are many places across Australia with Aboriginal names.

A bit more info on why here - http://www.smh.com.au/news/property/whats-in-a-name/2007/01/12/1168105152671.html

Yeah but the name reminds me of that song, "Bang bang bang, let's go back to my roo-m". I'm sorry, it's a funny name - seriously; it's really quite funny.

Yeah but the name reminds me of that song, "Bang bang bang, let's go back to my roo-m". I'm sorry, it's a funny name - seriously; it's really quite funny.

What's funny is that it's "Boom boom boom, let's go back to my room". Do you think all things that sound unfamiliar to your ears are funny?

Yeah but the name reminds me of that song, "Bang bang bang, let's go back to my roo-m". I'm sorry, it's a funny name - seriously; it's really quite funny.

Or ABBA's "bang a boom-a boom-a-rang". It could almost be "bang a-ranga ranga roo" or something :lol:

Great Pics....

It's 'barang-aroo' not 'baran-garoo', ie, a soft, barely voiced 'g'. Does that help your throbbing head?

Love the potential; can't wait for some of the design comps to happen and some concrete sex to shoot up!

CONCRETE SEX?? WTF!!

Mate, don't EVER put those two words together.. they don't mix. I would like glass or nothing for Barangaroo please.

Concrete has to come before glass. The building's gotta be made out of something, not just glass, love and air.

I'm still pissed about the name. "Barangaroo"...gimme a effing break. Last time I checked we were 98% non-aboriginal.

And we are 2% aboriginal, so by right don't they deserve something?

Give me a break!

What's funny is that it's "Boom boom boom, let's go back to my room". Do you think all things that sound unfamiliar to your ears are funny?

The joke was "boom" or "Bang" - both colloquialisms for a shag. It was a joke. Sorry you didn't find it funny but hey, humour is a personal thing. Should I now apologise that I find the word "Barangaroo" funny? :)

Shut the F* up! back to topic. This is an interesting project. Battery park type thing?

Sydney does need more glass and would fit in with AON and Vertias.

outbackbox-yes you could say that.

Sydney does need more glass and would fit in with AON and Vertias.

Not nit-picking, but it's Aon and Symantec now :)

I'm still pissed about the name. "Barangaroo"...gimme a effing break. Last time I checked we were 98% non-aboriginal.
I agree the name is fucking ridiculous, the majority of people wanted it called the Hungry Mile. Bangaraoo is hard to pronounce and joins a plethora of other aboriginal names. IMO we have too many suburbs and areas of the city named after their indigenous origins - its about time we had some sence in the naming and named it after what is a big part of it's history ... the 'hungary mile'.

These aboriginal names seem to be some type of hideous tourist/sorry apology hybrid and all they make me think of is touristy kistch, cowry shells stuck in the shape of the opera house, a harbour bridge snow shaker, etc etc. It makes up look backwards, pathetic and stupid if you ask me.

We will never have a 'cool' city, when the powers that be, do crap like this and regress us back into some crazy shrimp on the barbie era.

I don't think you understand the point of providing Indigenous names. It's not a 'sorry apology' approach to naming it. The suburbs of Sydney with indigenous naming were mostly named during the 19th Century and tied in to what the Aborigines were refering the place to.

I agree the name is fucking ridiculous, the majority of people wanted it called the Hungry Mile. Bangaraoo is hard to pronounce and joins a plethora of other aboriginal names. IMO we have too many suburbs and areas of the city named after their indigenous origins - its about time we had some sence in the naming and named it after what is a big part of it's history ... the 'hungary mile'.

These aboriginal names seem to be some type of hideous tourist/sorry apology hybrid and all they make me think of is touristy kistch, cowry shells stuck in the shape of the opera house, a harbour bridge snow shaker, etc etc. It makes up look backwards, pathetic and stupid if you ask me.

Avatar, you often sound like the worst sort of cultural cringer. Aussie tat IS cool. I don't want a "cool" city that looks like every other mall-opolis in the world. Besides, I think this name is a rather nice gesture. Husband and wife, side-by-side on the two peninsulas. It's quite sweet, actually. And the name itself is quite pleasant.

I love southern cross tatoos, they are as hot as fuck, but there is a difference here. I like aussie tats and I have no problem with Australia showcasing its culture... BUT, it seems sydney constantly resorts to crude, simplistic and banal attempts to showcase itself to the world. Star City, the new zoo, the souveneir shops afflicting the airport and circular quay. There are many things we could do better and infintely better and with a ode to australia and heritage. It doesn't have to be a smorgasboard of crud.

Melbourne on the other hand is far more discerning in its attempts to reflect Australianess through the city. They could have chosen a name that was much more pallatable and in doing so gotten rid of the corny iconic relationship between the two parcels of land. Face it, it's a mega shit name.

Thats not true. I love the name Barangaroo sounds so Australia. Sounds very cool. eeeyyy mate lets go to barangarew - way better than battery park! hahaha all the "tourists" in the office LOVE IT!

I love southern cross tatoos, they are as hot as fuck, but there is a difference here. I like aussie tats and I have no problem with Australia showcasing its culture... BUT, it seems sydney constantly resorts to crude, simplistic and banal attempts to showcase itself to the world. Star City, the new zoo, the souveneir shops afflicting the airport and circular quay. There are many things we could do better and infintely better and with a ode to australia and heritage. It doesn't have to be a smorgasboard of crud.

Melbourne on the other hand is far more discerning in its attempts to reflect Australianess through the city. They could have chosen a name that was much more pallatable and in doing so gotten rid of the corny iconic relationship between the two parcels of land. Face it, it's a mega shit name.

Avatar, I'm using the word "tat" to mean "kitsch", not "tattoo". and the name is not crud at all. It's a lovely name. It's just unfamiliar to your ears. The downtown is not well-represented by Aboriginal names and this goes some way to correct that.

Name sucks but if it blends with the existing cityscape & becomes an extension rather than a seperate enclave (like Docklands in melb) most people wont give a 2nd thought to the fact it even has a name.

I don't mind the name, as I think it does kind of fit with the whole Bennellong thing too.

HOWEVER, I think we need to stop being scared of celebrating colonial Australia, and the early years of Sydney. I think that's what pisses me off; that we've replaced The Hungry Mile, which was a name synonimous with this area for many many years, to something that nice as it is, doesn't technically have anything to do with Hickson Road/EDH. To be honest, I think Hungry Mile will stand the test of time a hell of alot more than Barangaroo, which I think will end up being a name in the UBD only. Hungry Mile is so colonial chique, I love it.

I prefer "Hungary Mile". It's evocative and reminds me of the "Hell's Kitchen" district of NYC.

^its still Hungry Mile. Its the section of Hickson road that runs along site.

Just out of curioisty? How did the name Hungry Mile come about... did a couple of fat American business tycoons plonk a macca's, kfc and HJ's on the road?

I myself will prefer not to call it Barangaroo thankyou very much. The name "The Hungry Mile" sounds very modern and I may actually continue to call it this from now on.

Barangaroo sounds like some outback Aussie name, "Yeeeeeeh maaate put anudda shrimp on the barbie barangaroo maaaate." I mean, HELLO can we please not go backwards by choosing Aboriginal names? Aboringals do not own Australia and we have all now formed into one nation, being Australia. So can we please get a name that includes all of us?

Just out of curioisty? How did the name Hungry Mile come about... did a couple of fat American business tycoons plonk a macca's, kfc and HJ's on the road?

yes, it is known for it's bright fast food joints, but there are some quality curry stands too, just like in manchester!

From what I recall there was a contest to name the site, and the panel thought Barangaroo was most appropriate. End of topic on the name.

Lets focus on what is going to be built there :)

They better build some nice curvy glass buildings that mimic the water right next to them. Imagine that, a series of curvy glass buildings stepping up in height as the buildings go South. That would looks just fantastic. But they would have to be semi-curvy, a Seidler curve would be an overkill. But if the designs have concrete in them I may vomit. Sydney has too much concrete shit already and anymore of that in this location would completely ruin it.

From what I recall there was a contest to name the site, and the panel thought Barangaroo was most appropriate. End of topic on the name.

Lets focus on what is going to be built there :)

I think paul keating overode the panel. The panel was a bunch of dickheads anyway. It should have given up to public vote.

Keating wanted either Mariners Cove or Millers Cove from the names in the shortlist.

But Mr Keating said yesterday in a statement to the ABC: "I regard these completely unassociated Aboriginal names as a form of Aboriginal kitsch.

source: smh (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/10/18/1160850998879.html)

Well it must have been someone else ... so who were the bums? At least Keating's were descriptive.
I think what he said was right. I totaly agree with him.

I like the name. It sounds Australian and has a friendly sound about it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the name mutates into coloquial Bang-a-roo.

I think ''The Hungry Mile'' is best kept to Hickson Rd. Certainly not apropriate for the whole development.

It sounds Australian

No... it sounds Aboriginal. I agree with Paul Keating, Mariners Cove or Millers Cove are ones that I like.

no one will use the name barangaroo anyway. how many times do you hear "i live at bennelong point". the people who wil live there will just say they live in sydney.

No... it sounds Aboriginal. I agree with Paul Keating, Mariners Cove or Millers Cove are ones that I like.
^^
Very uniquely Australian:lol:

I know but its fun to be difficult. The Hungry Mile was very cool and like mentioned about a bit like Hell's Gate in NYC. It had a really cool sound to it.

I like the Aboringinal names

I get sick of the same old 'Pleasantville' names, bah culture rot I tellz ya!

Hungry Mile... oriiginal. Is there a story behind that or was it just random?

Just out of curioisty? How did the name Hungry Mile come about... did a couple of fat American business tycoons plonk a macca's, kfc and HJ's on the road?

Can everyone please, please stop calling it the "Hungary" Mile. This has nothing to do with Eastern Europe.

The Hungry Mile came about during the depression when men used to queue here to get a job on the docks.

There is, therefore, NOTHING, colonial about it. And, for the record, Australia is not "ashamed" of its colonial heritage, as a quick roll call of, like, almost EVERY street and square in downtown Sydney will attest. ONE Aboriginal name is not gonna kill everybody. Seriously, Skyscrapercity is full of rednecks. It totally depresses me how dim people are here sometimes.

There is, therefore, NOTHING, colonial about it. And, for the record, Australia is not "ashamed" of its colonial heritage, as a quick roll call of, like, almost EVERY street and square in downtown Sydney will attest. ONE Aboriginal name is not gonna kill everybody. Seriously, Skyscrapercity is full of rednecks. It totally depresses me how dim people are here sometimes.

Sorry, I take offence to that. Just because I prefer a name that pre-dates the new aboriginal name does not make me dim or a redneck. I am normally pro naming things as they were originally termed, or that have some origin to the location, and love the mix of Aboriginal names we have. I think Bennelong (for example) is an awesome name, and as I said, I think it's nice that it goes with Barangaroo. I do, however, think that it would have been more appropriate to build on a name that has been used before (even if it was for the one street, not the whole precinct). I may have incorrectly termed it colonial, but I would have thought my point would have been clear despite this.

And it depresses me how you can't express a fucking opinion here without being called a red neck or dim by the PC brigade.

Can everyone please, please stop calling it the "Hungary" Mile. This has nothing to do with Eastern Europe.

The Hungry Mile came about during the depression when men used to queue here to get a job on the docks.

There is, therefore, NOTHING, colonial about it. And, for the record, Australia is not "ashamed" of its colonial heritage, as a quick roll call of, like, almost EVERY street and square in downtown Sydney will attest. ONE Aboriginal name is not gonna kill everybody. Seriously, Skyscrapercity is full of rednecks. It totally depresses me how dim people are here sometimes.

There are aboriginal suburb names all over Sydney, the Central Coast and Newcastle, personally, I think we have enough. This is not about being redneck and anti-indigenous it's about choosing something that may be more approriate and memorable than what they have chosen.

The site was a port/dock for many years, its should bear something that remembers this and Hungry Mile is perfect esp with a little grit and references to our city's more recent history.

Definitely... I think that the general theme of the King St Wharf area so far is very modern and glassy, so I would expect alot of the buildings tie-ing in well with that. I just wish something went half out over the water, or a canal under one of the buildings- that would just be awesome. Make the city almost fall right into the water...

There are aboriginal suburb names all over Sydney, the Central Coast and Newcastle, personally, I think we have enough. This is not about being redneck and anti-indigenous it's about choosing something that may be more approriate and memorable than what they have chosen.

The site was a port/dock for many years, its should bear something that remembers this and Hungry Mile is perfect esp with a little grit and references to our city's more recent history.

Agreed. I personally dont like aboriginal names for inner city areas. I love names such as (in perth) Victoria Park, High Gate, Mt Lawley, Northbridge etc.

Does this make me a Redneck...?

I think the name Hungry Mile would have been unique and awesome.

This is not something that appears overnight. They have been redeveloping the Docklands in Melbourne for around a decade now, and there is still large patches of the area to be developed.

^ Did u c that new proposal for hudson in NY by brookefields? Too bad u guys cant get anything like that here. It must be a bitch watching all these other projects around the world hu

what projects? too much here to worry about what goes on elsewhere bud!

^ Did u c that new proposal for hudson in NY by brookefields? Too bad u guys cant get anything like that here. It must be a bitch watching all these other projects around the world hu
most large projects around the world started the same way with a year or two of planning. thats the slow bit. then the early stages commence followed by construction.

This is not something that appears overnight. They have been redeveloping the Docklands in Melbourne for around a decade now, and there is still large patches of the area to be developed.

It's about 1/3 complete. According to Vic Urban they expect the next third to be completed in only 5 years.

It's about 1/3 complete. According to Vic Urban they expect the next third to be completed in only 5 years.

Now THATS optimistic!

I think you'll be lucky to get 20 skyscrapers built in 10 years!

Now THATS optimistic!

I think you'll be lucky to get 20 skyscrapers built in 10 years!
They have really lowered their standards recently, maybe its to speed it up.

Why you apologising to us? 1/2 of us are just here following the project that are comparing it to other urban redevels don't hold great hopes for it either. Didn't you read some of the more disparaging comments outbackbox?

It'll be OK though. A nice extension of the CBD and perhaps some good individual buildings to come out of it. We possibly won't see any renders for some of the scrapers for @ least another year.

please mr sartor, add 18 skyscrapers here here and here ;-)
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I think you mean: Mr Sartor, please insert 18 glassy skyscrapers here, here and here.

please mr sartor, add 18 skyscrapers here here and here ;-)
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You know he will build them lol :) I just want the best for Sydney.

Brendan, can you please give the endless posts about glassy skyscrapers a bit of a rest? You just go on and on and on about glassy skyscrapers - especially your favourite, Gateway Plaza - and it's starting to border on spamming. I don't mean to be rude, but it's getting ridiculous - and I'm sure you have much more to offer than never-ending posts about glass.

Back on topic, I heard on ABC 702 talkback yesterday that perhaps the name will be The Hungry Mile after all - I thought Barangaroo was final though - can anyone confirm?

NO!!!!! i love that name! "Hi mom im in Sydney Australia and im off to berangaroooooo today!!!" hehehehe its so cool

Brendan, can you please give the endless posts about glassy skyscrapers a bit of a rest? You just go on and on and on about glassy skyscrapers - especially your favourite, Gateway Plaza - and it's starting to border on spamming. I don't mean to be rude, but it's getting ridiculous - and I'm sure you have much more to offer than never-ending posts about glass.

Back on topic, I heard on ABC 702 talkback yesterday that perhaps the name will be The Hungry Mile after all - I thought Barangaroo was final though - can anyone confirm?

Barangaroo is final. But a section of the street will be called Hungry Mile... I think.

Brendan, can you please give the endless posts about glassy skyscrapers a bit of a rest? You just go on and on and on about glassy skyscrapers - especially your favourite, Gateway Plaza - and it's starting to border on spamming. I don't mean to be rude, but it's getting ridiculous - and I'm sure you have much more to offer than never-ending posts about glass.

Deal with it. I will not change my beliefs or opinions just because someone like you cannot handle them.

No one's asking you to change your beliefs, they're asking you (quite rightfully) to stop turning every single thread you post in into something relating to the merit of glass skyscrapers. You've almost single handedly turned every thread in the NSW forum onto glass this, glass that. It is bordering on spamming no matter which way you look at it, and but for the grace of the mods here your posts haven't been deleted/edited yet.

I'm quietly obsessing over the prospect of the Anzac Metro line in Sydney, but I don't bring it up in every single post. If you want to talk about glassy skyscrapers, keep it in relevant the relevant threads. It's getting *very* tedious reading the same response to every thread every damn day.

Barangaroo is the official name of the site and is now an official suburb.
The Hungry Mile is the 1km section or Hickson Road which runs its length.

Hungry MILE ... Wouldn't it be a mile rather than a KM? Just curious.

Thanks Cul and Shaggers, I'm glad to hear that. I think that's a good compromise actually, having the neighbourhood called Barangaroo, and Hungry Mile as a street name.

And Brendan, I'm not attacking your beliefs or opinions, I'm just saying that it would be nice to see something other than repetitive posts about glass skyscrapers in every single thread - if that's so unreasonable, I apologise.

i thought it was decided long ago that that stretch would be called the hungry mile, decided when the area was called barangaroo. it was always the compromise. developers advised against calling the area the hungry mile because they were afraid it had too many negative connotations and might lesson the areas value.

Some photos of the site in July 2007

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As posted by Millux in the NSW Forums last week

Premier defends Barangaroo plans
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NSW Premier Morris Iemma has dismissed criticism by a world renowned urban planner of a proposed redevelopment of Sydney's east Darling Harbour.

NSW Premier Morris Iemma has rejected criticism by a world renowned urban planner that a proposed redevelopment would make Sydney's east Darling Harbour fearsome at night and a weekend wasteland.

Danish planner Jan Gehl, who is working on New York's plans to revitalise its public spaces, has attacked the government's concept plan for the former wharves area known as Barangaroo.

The government announced Thursday it was pushing ahead with its plans for the site, which include removing the wharves and turning the area into a large public parkland and a new financial precinct.

Barangaroo may also become the site of a new ferry terminal hub, Mr Iemma said.

Mr Gehl has said a lack of residential properties and a large expanse of parkland would lead to the area being deserted on the weekends and dangerous at night.

Mr Iemma said Mr Gehl was entitled to his opinion, but he insisted the site would become the city's "crown jewels".

"I have a great deal of respect for Jan Gehl. He's entitled to his opinion, but it is just that - his opinion - and he is one person who has an opinion," he told reporters.

"Two, what we will build into the design, obviously, is security."

Mr Iemma said people would want to come to Barangaroo on the weekends to experience views of Sydney Harbour which have been unavailable to them for 100 years.

The government would look at building a theatre on the site to add to other cultural facilities nearby, including the Sydney Theatre, he said.

The government is putting out a worldwide call for expressions of interest in designing the first stage of the project on an area made up of four city blocks and public open space at the site's southern end.

The first stage takes up 83 per cent of the area. Construction is expected to start by 2009 and take up to two years to complete.

An international advertising campaign to find a designer will begin in coming weeks.

The Property Council of Australia welcomed the release of the first stage of the Barangaroo plan.

The council's executive director Ken Morrison

said it was the critical next step in ensuring the sustainability of Sydney's CBD.

"This is an exciting moment in Sydney's history. If we want to continue to be a global city, then the CBD needs to grow and this is the last opportunity for lateral expansion" Mr Morrison said in a statement.

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I'd lean more to agreeing with Jan Gehl on this one!

More like Boringaroo.

^wtf?
its going to be a an exciting precinct.22 hectares. lots of open space. up 18 skyscrapers! tallest approx 200m.
its all g00d

That's what they said about.. Melbourne Docklands

^^^
Docklands?
Stand at new quay and look out at a bridge framed by high level power lines a container port and a refinery.
Or Sydney harbour, Balls head, Balmain and Goat island. Beautiful.

More like Boringaroo.

It's probably the ultimate urban precient. It will have office towers, apartment towers, retail, restaurants, parks, transport and even a beach. It's going to have everything, and even plans for a cultural facility.

^^^
Docklands?
Stand at new quay and look out at a bridge framed by high level power lines a container port and a refinery.
Or Sydney harbour, Balls head, Balmain and Goat island. Beautiful.

Melbourne Docklands is very different in its inception, reasoning, zoning, urban design principles and its overall intent, areas to the west of the bridge currently of employment zoning hold Melbourne's future and in my eyes our Trump card, catch my drift?

I really do not understand why the State Goverment is not taking up the chance to build vertically, with a new landmark tower or several, for Sydney to ease pressure off its space shortage. Very short-sighted and poor decision making I think to have max. tallest at 200m.

It's probably the ultimate urban precient. It will have office towers, apartment towers, retail, restaurants, parks, transport and even a beach. It's going to have everything, and even plans for a cultural facility.

I like the idea of another theatre of cultural facility going into this area. It seems to be shaping up as a strong theatre district for the city.
It also fits in with the city councils, Cultural Ribbon idea, running from the AGNSW in the east, along the quay around to the casino in the west.

I really do not understand why the State Goverment is not taking up the chance to build vertically, with a new landmark tower or several, for Sydney to ease pressure off its space shortage. Very short-sighted and poor decision making I think to have max. tallest at 200m.

All buildings will be subject to design competitions so we should get some good landmark towers with striking designs. :)

its good they have priorities right.!
1st stage is the 10 skyscrapers at southern end!
stage2 is lowrise aparments in centre,
3rd stage-northern end parkland
all starts next year! woohoo
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Credit-hit developers shy away from city renewal project
Turi Condon, Property editor | May 29, 2008

THE NSW Government is likely to reap a much lower price than expected for Sydney's Barangaroo, the site of Australia's biggest urban regeneration project, as developers shy away in the wake of the credit crisis.

A week out from the stage one tender deadline, industry sources said about six consortiums were serious contenders, with restricted credit conditions limiting those who could take part in the $2.5billion project.

Developers are believed to initially be working on prices of $350-$400 million for the 22ha site, on which tenders close on June 6.

"Would you have got a bigger number (price) last year? Absolutely," said one bidder.

"This is not the time to be putting something like this on the market, it's too big in the current credit crunch," said another, who declined to be named.

About six consortiums are likely to get through the first round.

The successful groups will then have to submit final bids with financially detailed offers in December. The winner will be announced around the middle of next year.

A consortium consisting of Dubai ruling family-owned developer Nakheel, Leighton Holdings and Mirvac will put in a first-stage bid, according to Mirvac managing director Greg Paramor.

The Commonwealth Bank-owned Colonial First State is also expected to be part of a syndicate.

Colonial First State's head of listed property, Darren Steinberg, declined to comment yesterday.

A spokeswoman for Babcock & Brown said the investment bank was considering putting in a proposal, but a final decision had not been made.

Macquarie Bank, Lend Lease, Stockland, Multiplex and Grosvenor Group, owned by the Duke of Westminster have declined to comment or have said they routinely consider large-scale opportunities.

Investa group executive for special projects Michael Cook said the company was unlikely to join a consortium.

Sources said consortiums were likely to form more fully after the first round closed, with superannuation funds such as the Industry Superannuation Property Trust possible additions.

The site's price was difficult to assess at present, according to developers, who said infrastructure costs and contamination reports were not available until after the first round closed.

One source said bidding costs for this sort of project were likely to be between $3 million and $5 million, far less than the bidding for the big infrastructure projects.

The Queensland Government last week awarded Leighton Holdings and Macquarie Group the $4.8 billion Brisbane Airport Link infrastructure project, with tender costs said to be up to $40million.

Last month, the Iemma Government revealed that the first stage of the Barangaroo project would cover a massive 83 per cent of the site. Analysts said it was trying to claw back infrastructure costs by offering to sell such a big portion of the land immediately.

The first stage will include 220,000sqm of office space housing 15,000 workers and a new harbour cove and open space at the southern end of the site.

At the time, NSW Premier Morris Iemma said a new headland park at the northern end of the site would be brought forward and a new ferry terminal was being considered.

Work on the project is expected to start next year and finish in 2020.

All buildings will be subject to design competitions so we should get some good landmark towers with striking designs. :)

Then again, I hope the whole thing doesn't end up a crazy hodge podge. I'd like some unified theme running along here. Imagine a huge wall of glass reflecting the water... mmmm. For once I'm into the glass concept

Don't worry about a thing with the towers. :D

This is Sydney, we dont design @#$% anymore. Only the best.

they look all generic boxes, but that picture is only a diagram so i would assume we shouldnt worry too much, i actually like the design to be honest. gives the CBD another waterfront edge and access point.

There has to be a very adaptive recreational and amenity facitilies in this area or otherwise it will turn into another out-of-office-hour lifeless business park like in North Ryde.

Public transportation is no brainer, but also shopping, sporting facilities, A-class bars and restaurants.

This could even be a nightlife centre of Sydney if it is properly executed. It has to be more than just the extension of Cockle Bay whalf with trendy bars and restaurants. It needs to actually drag people away from the CBD core towards the edge of the city.

they look all generic boxes, but that picture is only a diagram so i would assume we shouldnt worry too much, i actually like the design to be honest. gives the CBD another waterfront edge and access point.

Yep, that's because the render above is an indicative concept, not actual renders of planned towers.

if sydney doesn't get it's new tallest out of this it is a waste of space!

There has to be a very adaptive recreational and amenity facitilies in this area or otherwise it will turn into another out-of-office-hour lifeless business park like in North Ryde.

Public transportation is no brainer, but also shopping, sporting facilities, A-class bars and restaurants.

This could even be a nightlife centre of Sydney if it is properly executed. It has to be more than just the extension of Cockle Bay whalf with trendy bars and restaurants. It needs to actually drag people away from the CBD core towards the edge of the city.

It's got everything you want, except for a cultural facility. Sydney's crying out for one.

they look all generic boxes, but that picture is only a diagram so i would assume we shouldnt worry too much, i actually like the design to be honest. gives the CBD another waterfront edge and access point.

they are only bulding envelopes. so each enevlope will have an individual design and shape when each DA is submitted.
some may have architectural features like fins or spires projecting through max enevelope.
im hoping the tallest one will have a large mast on top like 101 collins eg. so 180m tower with 50m mast= 230m ect. we need a ladmark tower on this iste to counter balance with the eastern edge of CBD (chifley talls).

i love the idea of the project, kind of 'neatens' the cbd's balance if the tallest buildings a built round the 200m mark.

The Sun Herald has reported that international developers have been invited to bid for contracts for stage one including ads in international papers such as The New York Times. This one is getting plenty of attention outside of Sydney!!! :)

View from Darling Island today

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Some stands are being set up ahead of WYD next month for the opening mass and concert on July 15 and the Papal arrival on July 17.

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Melbourne Docklands is very different in its inception, reasoning, zoning, urban design principles and its overall intent, areas to the west of the bridge currently of employment zoning hold Melbourne's future and in my eyes our Trump card, catch my drift?

I agree with the trump card bit! I drove from Avalon airport into Melb on the weekend. There is a lot of semi-industrial land within 10km of the CBD that Melb can use to expand. Sydney doesn't really have that luxury, although there's still room to improve Alexandria and surrounds.

On Docklands itself, I think there's still a few years left before the place will be a lively area, but there's great potential.

Barangaroo really needs to have something to attract people, I personally think an iconic building with some cultural activity is needed and some careful master-planning. If the design comp rules don't emphasise some pretty strict street level specs then it could go really be a waster opportunity. (Think North Sydney on a Tuesday night!)

Great article in my local rag about the man behind naming the area as Barnagaroo.

From 'The St George and Sutherland Shire Leader'

Dreamtime vision for Barangaroo
BY DEBORAH FIELD
18/06/2008 4:00:00 AM

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Indigenous link: Nigel Dawe wants Barangaroo Bay to be more than just a glitzy tourist attraction. Picture: Wesley Lonergan

THE Cronulla man who named one of Sydney Harbour's last remaining urban precincts wants some of the 22-hectare site used for indigenous purposes.

Nigel Dawe, 31, said Barangaroo Bay - known to generations of wharfies as the Hungry Mile - should include an Aboriginal learning or resource centre, a monument to Barangaroo and a Dreamtime-themed walk.

Barangaroo was the wife of Bennelong, for whom Bennelong Point was named, who was captured by the English in 1789 and later befriended by Governor Arthur Phillip.

The State Government held a competition to name the $4billion East Darling Harbour site and Mr Dawe submitted the name Barangaroo because he felt someone of her standing in history had been overlooked.

"Every great city needs its Joan of Arc or Helen of Troy,'' Mr Dawe said.

Barangaroo was a strong-willed woman who once struck a soldier for whipping a convict. She died during childbirth in the 1790s.

Expressions of interest from developers keen to transform the harbour headland half of which has been earmarked for public parkland closed on June 6.

Mr Dawe, a project officer and graduate in social analysis, said the redevelopment was a fantastic opportunity to celebrate the city's indigenous identity.

"I would like to see an area set aside for indigenous learning or a resource centre for information on Barangaroo and her people, even a monument in one of the parklands in either statue form or a permanent conceptual installation themed on her by an Aboriginal artist,'' Mr Dawe said.

"Some type of themed iconic walk along the 1.4 kilometres of Barangaroo's foreshore would present a wonderful opportunity to celebrate either figures from the area's maritime past as well as the early settlers and indigenous figures.

"You'd like to think that the area's unique indigenous, colonial and maritime history can be maintained in some explicitly 'non-token' shape or form.''

Other names suggesed for the site were Argyle, Cadigal, Millers Cove and Mariners Cove

i wanted an aboriginal arts centre at site of waterloo incinerator near green square!!!.
the old bunker / depot would have made a great arts/culture centre and 75m landmark chimney would have been painted by hundreds of locals like a didgeridoo.
would have been very symbolic to aborigines but thats are fuced now because its friggen demolished.

layout of world youth day
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When it was mentioned that an iconic building was needed for this area, I thought that a gallery/museum or other that represents the aboriginal history and people of Australia would be fitting and this article reiterates my thoughts. Having an amazing showpiece of architecture dedicated to the orginal owners of the land would be awesome. Not only would it be a great dedication, but a tourist attraction and also a way to show the rest of the world how far we have come in not only recognising, saying sorry, and now building a tribute to the aboriginals would be a great decision.

My picture from Darling Island has the altar under construction

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And looking at that map, some people will be barely able to see the altar from it's northern end.

Great idea, Cariad. A Museum of Aboriginal Australia would be excellent. It's quite surprising that there isn't something like this already. Barangaroo would be a great spot for it.

i concur. it could be a very unique building to compliment the opera house,

Photos of WYD preparation for the opening mass and concert on July 15.

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exciting news from fin rev.
with nakeel as a bidder, we are in for some great skyscrapers!!!
i love how the southern highrise section is to be built first!!

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Nakheel sounds promising. Dubai is the home of skyscrapers these days, so to have a piece of it here is always welcome.

The local contenders are good as well. Very tense competition.

At the end of the day, it's going to resemble more like Canary Island in London given the buildings will be tallies.

hello!!!my name is antonio and i'm stayed in sydney for the world young day. compliments, sydney is very beautiful!!!!!the harbour bridge, the opera house, darling harbour, mmmmhhhh......beautiful!!!!!!:nuts::nuts:

^^What did you think of Barangaroo???^^

Some aerials from the events of last week

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This shot I think was from the KPMG Tower

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barangaroo is a big area, l'organization all right. what is the origin of name "barangaroo"? i know that is maked a sounding. sorry for my english imperfect, but i don't speak english very well;in fact, i have had more problem with your language.however this holiday has been a beautiful holiday, and i'm enjoied

Barangaroo was the wife of Bennelong, an Aboriginal captured in 1789 and was a friend of Governor Arthur Phillip.

Yeah, it's actually quite a nice touch having Barangaroo on one peninsula, and then on the next having Bennelong Point, where the Opera House stands. Husband and wife side by side.

...with that pesky bridge jumping in the middle. Kid's always want attention! :P

And Mrs Macquarie on the otherside, damn mistress

A rare chance to get the city's waterfront right

Philip Talis, Philip Berkemeier and Jane Irwin | August 5

Whether called Barangaroo, East Darling Harbour or the historically evocative Hungry Mile, the site is Sydney's greatest opportunity in a century to rethink the relationship between the city and harbour. The importance of the project was clearly understood by the State Government when it promoted an international design competition for the site; the most significant design competition held for Sydney since the Opera House in 1956. The competition attracted 137 entries, with a number from foreign teams and international stars.

The winning design, which received broad endorsement, was founded on positive urban principles. These included a spine of clearly defined and inalienable public parklands for the full 1.2 kilometres of the foreshore, from a green headland at Millers Point to broad active landscapes - which could be used for casual sports, markets and performances, for example - at the centre and intense urban waterfront at the southern end. The parklands were bounded by a calibrated network of public streets and lanes that tie the whole site back into the structure of the city. The streets, designed in favour of pedestrians rather than cars, provided access and a frontage to a series of nine new urban blocks, within which were proposed a variety of modulated building forms that responded to the urban condition and encouraged diverse architectural possibilities, uses, scales and authorship.

Building forms were carefully defined to maintain key views from the city to the harbour and ensure that the western face of the city would not become a wall of development. The physical structure was complemented by cultural and community facilities and public art projects that permeated the whole scheme, so that the project could contribute to the civic life of the city rather than be narrowly focused on predictable development interests. When announced, the winning plan was acknowledged not only as an exemplary urban project, but also for its potential to bring broader benefits for the city.

Since that time, this vital project for Sydney has virtually submerged from public view, lost for two years in the bowels of planning and financial engineering. The first concept plan, subsequently adopted by government with substantial omissions, began a process of eroding the integrity of the competition project. Proposed amendments to the concept plan, quietly put on exhibition while shrouded by the papal presence, further dismantle the strong foundations of the competition scheme and its ambitions for the public realm and civic values.

The physical failings include the continuing lack of any commitment to creating a quality public domain, no firm proposals for public transport or integration with the city, no cultural program and a strong bias towards a monoculture of bulky office buildings to the exclusion of other uses. The voluminous documents and deceptive perspective drawings concentrate on development interests, narrowly focused on office floor space, floor plates and height. It risks becoming a business park rather than an authentic part of the city fabric.

The original competition brief set the gross floor space at a surprisingly low 330,000 square metres, subsequently increased to about 390,000 square metres and now boosted to almost 510,000 square metres. There may well be valid reasons to increase floor space but these must be carefully evaluated, after all many landowners would be tempted to grant themselves such windfalls but only government is able to approve its own bonus. Problems arise with the way that the extra floor space is to be distributed, as the crude volumes now proposed abandon the logic of the winning scheme. Where are the public benefits required to accommodate the extra density, bulk and access?

A further problem is the proposed method of procurement. Best practice would mean first building an outstanding public domain of streets, parks and promenades together with public transport and infrastructure, allowing the lease of individual sites to attract intense bidding from a diversity of participants. Instead the Government has offered a single development parcel as one indigestible job lot, where a single development conglomerate will have control of almost 460,000 square metres of floor space across four urban blocks, more than 90 per cent of the possible building area in one hit. This equates to one developer being granted four towers the size of Grosvenor Place towers plus five buildings the size of the Bond on Hickson Road in a single play - by far the biggest chunk of floor space ever put to market in Australia. Why grant such largesse to a single commercial player?

The proposed modifications labour the pursuit of "design excellence", a hollow claim while they actually dismantle the outcomes of the international design competition, the only real design excellence process yet attempted for the site. Barangaroo is a once-in-a-century opportunity to get this new waterfront right. Surely Sydney deserves better than what it is getting?

Philip Thalis, Paul Berkemeier, both architects and urban designers, and Jane Irwin, a landscape architect, led the winning team for the international design competition for Barangaroo.

The physical failings include the continuing lack of any commitment to creating a quality public domain, no firm proposals for public transport or integration with the city, no cultural program and a strong bias towards a monoculture of bulky office buildings to the exclusion of other uses. The voluminous documents and deceptive perspective drawings concentrate on development interests, narrowly focused on office floor space, floor plates and height. It risks becoming a business park rather than an authentic part of the city fabric.

The original competition brief set the gross floor space at a surprisingly low 330,000 square metres, subsequently increased to about 390,000 square metres and now boosted to almost 510,000 square metres. There may well be valid reasons to increase floor space but these must be carefully evaluated, after all many landowners would be tempted to grant themselves such windfalls but only government is able to approve its own bonus. Problems arise with the way that the extra floor space is to be distributed, as the crude volumes now proposed abandon the logic of the winning scheme. Where are the public benefits required to accommodate the extra density, bulk and access?

A further problem is the proposed method of procurement. Best practice would mean first building an outstanding public domain of streets, parks and promenades together with public transport and infrastructure, allowing the lease of individual sites to attract intense bidding from a diversity of participants. Instead the Government has offered a single development parcel as one indigestible job lot, where a single development conglomerate will have control of almost 460,000 square metres of floor space across four urban blocks, more than 90 per cent of the possible building area in one hit. This equates to one developer being granted four towers the size of Grosvenor Place towers plus five buildings the size of the Bond on Hickson Road in a single play - by far the biggest chunk of floor space ever put to market in Australia. Why grant such largesse to a single commercial player?

The proposed modifications labour the pursuit of "design excellence", a hollow claim while they actually dismantle the outcomes of the international design competition, the only real design excellence process yet attempted for the site. Barangaroo is a once-in-a-century opportunity to get this new waterfront right. Surely Sydney deserves better than what it is getting?

Philip Thalis, Paul Berkemeier, both architects and urban designers, and Jane Irwin, a landscape architect, led the winning team for the international design competition for Barangaroo.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/opinion/a-rare-chance-to-get-the-citys-waterfront-right/2008/08/04/1217701943446.html

wow, 510,000sqm of space. =much needed for future. we are so lucky this oportunity came along. appartently the southern tallest towers will be built first.

I am glad that they acknowledged that there wasnt enough office space being built. I just await the designs for the towers and off we go.

great, a whole bunch of fat fucks like westpacs kens! yay, sydney is the bomb!! we have the most visionary state gov out there you suckers...

^nah. ive seen new envelopes. the buildings are taller and shorter towers are now larger. So nothings really changed . This will be a great part of sydney.
lots of big glass brassy towers.
the towers will really widen the skyline.
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love this elevation showing just the bangaroo project
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I find it odd that the shorter buildings are behind the taller towers. Shouldnt the shorter ones be closer to the waterfront for the buildings to step up in height.

Amazing what 18 months can do

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I find it odd that the shorter buildings are behind the taller towers. Shouldnt the shorter ones be closer to the waterfront for the buildings to step up in height.

not really. the lower bldgs on hickson road are there so the streetscape can be stepped form to create grand boulevarde. would you believe the taller bldgs are still around 100m setback from shoreline? so not really near waterfront as you think.

from todays fin review
i hate to say it but i agree with iemma. sydney has to retain its position as a global financial centre. we need BIG buildings!

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This is good news reguarding the push for more floor space, although it would have been better if the FSR was relaxed allowing a bit taller towers. Over all the design concept is looking good and will be interesting to watch the transformation of this area. Old Morris must be feeling the heat from big bussiness to make such uncharacteristic statements pro more space.

Should I interpret the general lack of response to the brisbanetimes article above as apathy towards its arguments? Because they seem very valid ones to me...

I have no issues with the need for big buildings, but I want to see the designs for the towers before I can make any conclusions.

Iam hopeful we will get some good designs.