http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24705125-3102,00.html
By Alison Sandy

November 26, 2008 07:01pm

A $19 million highrise near Milton's Fourex brewery has won council approval, but new residents are warned complaints will fall on deaf ears.
The development on Railway Terrace consists of a 20-storey unit block and an eight-storey retail and commercial building.

Proponent Provision Developments director Camille Rahme said it took six years to get to this stage.

"When the South-East Queensland Regional Plan came out in 2002 we were well positioned as a transport oriented development and we capitalised on that," he said.

"It has been a long time coming - it's been backwards and forwards."

Mr Rahme said provisions had to be made for the surrounding area, which as well as being industrial, was prone to flooding.

"We certainly had to address all the impacts from an environmental point of view," he said.

"One is air quality - we certainly looked at that, as well as traffic and stormwater issues."

Brisbane City Council neighbourhood planning chairperson Amanda Cooper welcomed new State Government legislation which would prevent residents moving into the area from complaining about the brewery.

"It's certainly something that will help sort out the amenity issues," she said.

"They (Fourex) have every right to continue to operate as long as they're operating lawfully."

The developer's infrastructure fee - estimated at about $4 million - will also cover provision for CityCat services, which Mr Rahme said he hoped would result in a nearby terminal at Coronation Drive.

"We think as a stakeholder in the area that a CityCat terminal would be a welcome amenity for the area," he said.

The RSPCA is moving from Fairfield to Wacol. It will be interesting to see what happens to the Fairfield site.

I don't know where to post this question, here looks like a good place :)

Do you know what is that massive concrete block going up in Woolloongabba? It doesn't have any windows, got some kind of purple panels on it, really massive and ugly.

I'll try to take some pictures if i drive by there.

Anyone know what it is?

THanx

^^ Check the Clem7 / North-South Bypass Tunnel thread. It's a massive chimney to drain fumes and exhaust out of the tunnel.

Plenty of pics are in the thread towards the end.

It will be 'decorated' upon completion with some fancy cladding to make it look less ugly. Whether or not they will succeed at doing that is still open to debate.

Aussie Bhoy: (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=28602772&postcount=308)

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6950/p9140002tn4.jpg

awsome, thanx Marty, i'll have a look

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'Ballymore Sports Academy & Community Health and Fitness Centre'

Stage 1
-Swimming Pool
-Refurb Gym
-Landscaping upgrades

Stage 2
-Internal Road Network
-Athletes Village (115 individual accomadations)
-Training Field 3

Stage 3
-QRU Club, Members & Red Gymnasium (replaces 'the hill')
-Stadium Seating (new bowl seating in front of Mclean Stand new Gym)
-Stadium Plaza

Stage 4
-Bikeway along river
-Sports Medicine Centre
-Build Mclean Stand offices

Stage 5
-Build East Stand Offices(office block attached to rear of East Stand)
-Upper Level Grandstand(Grand Stand on top of new Gym)

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^^ i thought the redevelopment got canned when howard got booted? I walk over this waterway almost everyday.. it isnt very pleasant but i always think its under utilised and could be made so much better... some river revitilisation would go a long way besides the current pseudo mangroves and adjacent rape track.

^^It is now a DA with the BCC. Same application as the one the feds were supporting.

Does not look that fab.

^^ i thought the redevelopment got canned when howard got booted? I walk over this waterway almost everyday.. it isnt very pleasant but i always think its under utilised and could be made so much better... some river revitilisation would go a long way besides the current pseudo mangroves and adjacent rape track.

no it didnt get canned, the QRU are still putting through the development application, they have funding for the pool and gym upgrade.

They have actually sent the proposal to the K Rudd because the whole proposal has now changed to the Brisbane Sports Academy, the QLD Roar have moved to Ballymore and the Sports Science Centre will be open to other sports as well.

Couple of babies.

Yungaba immigration depot development given go-ahead.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24751368-3102,00.html

Westfield Chermside is proposing to introduce paid parking. Many arent happy.

Facebook Group opposing the plan - http://www.facebook.com/inbox/?ref=mb#/group.php?gid=50946867696&ref=nf

My friends in Brisbane are regulars to Chermside and they arent happy.

coming from brisbane, i found it annoying when i moved to Canberra, all the shopping centres down there are paid parking, although Chermside will be different, Chermside are having 3hours and less is free parking, down in Canberra it was only like 30min, which meant it was a quick dash to grab what you needed and hopefully beat the timer.

The free parking could be anywhere from 1 to 3 hours. Is that still enough time for the average shopper or those wishing to go bowling or catch a movie???

Westfield Chermside is proposing to introduce paid parking. Many arent happy.

Facebook Group opposing the plan - http://www.facebook.com/inbox/?ref=mb#/group.php?gid=50946867696&ref=nf

My friends in Brisbane are regulars to Chermside and they arent happy.

Shop at Carindale. Its bigger, its completely carpeted, there are two department stores, there are more high-end stores and there is about 3 times as much parking as Chermside. The Myer carpark NEVER gets full - even just before christmas the top levels are always empty. Nobody ever drives all the way to the top.

J

Is Carindale really bigger? I went to Chermside on Saturday and it seemed much larger.

I thought they were both about the same size, but I havent been all the way through Chermside.

But most northside people wouldnt drive across town to go to Carindale...would they?

Chermside is massive these days

Shop at Carindale. Its bigger, its completely carpeted, there are two department stores, there are more high-end stores and there is about 3 times as much parking as Chermside. The Myer carpark NEVER gets full - even just before christmas the top levels are always empty. Nobody ever drives all the way to the top.

J

Carindale only has two department stores lol.

Who cares about parking when I catch a bus?

I hate the way Carindale is in the middle of nowhere whereas Chermside actually has activity outside of the shopping centre.

Also Chermside feels significantly bigger, however Carindale will be bigger after its expansions.

I thought they were both about the same size, but I havent been all the way through Chermside.

But most northside people wouldnt drive across town to go to Carindale...would they?

Carindale is two levels so it could be larger floor area-wise but Chermside is mostly one level and would easily be bigger size-wise.

Carindale is two levels so it could be larger floor area-wise but Chermside is mostly one level and would easily be bigger size-wise.

Logan Hyperdome would be bigger. It was (not sure if still is) the biggest single level shopping centre in Australia.

J

Chermside is significantly bigger than Carindale.

In Brisbane we have only 5 big Centers. Three are owned by Westfiled, the fourth was sold by Westfield to CFS in 2000. One is owned by QIC.

Center --------------- No. of Shops ----- GLA ------- Carparks
Westfield Chermside --------- 392----- 123,639m2------6,200
Westfield Carindale ---------- 297----- 116,767m2------5,400
Logan HyperDome ----------- 252----- 104,481m2------ ??
Westfield Garden City -------- 312----- 102,331m2------4,275
Indooroopilly Shopping Centre -260 ---- 84,516m2-------3,900

The smaller ones are all under 50,000m2. They include Toowong, Toombul, Stathpine, NorthLakes, Capalaba, Sunnybank.

Chermside is significantly bigger than Carindale.

It never used to be. I still prefer Carindale - Carpet mmmm. Also Carindale seems to have better mens ware stores all in the one area.

Imagine if Chermside added another level!!!

Oh and another interesting fact - Chermside is the oldest and first shopping "fortress" centre in Australia.

J

Hey whats happening with the Garden City expansion? Anyone got any info~?

^^

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havent heard any more on it, though this is apparently where the expansion will be going, with a mall connecting the shopping centre to Rebel Sports and Office Works, also they are apparently going to include a Myers in new upgarde as well

We always go to Carindale or take the bus to Garden City- Chermside just never seems practical plus it's a fair drive to the other side of the city.

Carindale only has two department stores lol.

Who cares about parking when I catch a bus?

I hate the way Carindale is in the middle of nowhere whereas Chermside actually has activity outside of the shopping centre.

Also Chermside feels significantly bigger, however Carindale will be bigger after its expansions.

well there are some medium density residental development around the bus station area of carindale
so there are some developments

^^

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/BJDORGE/gardencity.jpg

havent heard any more on it, though this is apparently where the expansion will be going, with a mall connecting the shopping centre to Rebel Sports and Office Works, also they are apparently going to include a Myers in new upgarde as well

I cant really see Garden City being expand
carparks are always full, especially on saturday. does that mean they are going to reduce the parkings evenmore with that build?
i heard the centre management isin't very happy about commuters use the shopping centre as a park and ride which makes it always full

^^The high density in Chermside are highrise mixed use developments (Both Office and Resi). The retail area also is continuous pretty much to the CBD. A far cry from Carindale which has bugger all to the West or the North East. The density and development at Carindale are glorified townhouse.



They will build more deck carparks in GC and sleeve it in the retail.

^^
I haven't been to Chermside for years so I wouldn't know how the area is going.
But isin't there a planned extenstion to both those ways?
and lol glorified townhouse

Carindale is getting some development around it. Solito isn't just a glorified towhouse development anymore. There's one mid-rise tower finished and another just being started. Completed tower is about 8 floors I think.

Nothing amazing, but getting there.

Solito isn't just a glorified towhouse development anymore.

Ha Ha ! I have one word for that: Australand. Nothing but ordinary.

I cant really see Garden City being expand
carparks are always full, especially on saturday. does that mean they are going to reduce the parkings evenmore with that build?
i heard the centre management isin't very happy about commuters use the shopping centre as a park and ride which makes it always full

everytime they exand they build more carparks, i assume this expansion would be no different...

as for the busway station and commuters using the carparks as a park and ride, well i suppose its a double-edge sword, but im sure if they actually did some proper research into it they would discover that they busway station actually alleviates the need for so many carpark.

^^The high density in Chermside are highrise mixed use developments (Both Office and Resi). The retail area also is continuous pretty much to the CBD. A far cry from Carindale which has bugger all to the West or the North East. The density and development at Carindale are glorified townhouse.

the area surrounding Garden City is also starting to become quite dense, lots of new appartments going up in the area

everytime they exand they build more carparks, i assume this expansion would be no different...

as for the busway station and commuters using the carparks as a park and ride, well i suppose its a double-edge sword, but im sure if they actually did some proper research into it they would discover that they busway station actually alleviates the need for so many carpark.


the area surrounding Garden City is also starting to become quite dense, lots of new appartments going up in the area

The Carindale extension should now make it the largest as they are adding about another 1/4 the size and levelleing the hotel/restaurants/courtyard and adding office and way more parks with a future busway bridge proposal. I did post the approval a few months ago.

The Garden City application is still ongoing since i last checked last month. I think they are having main roads issues.

Stockland i think is the applicant for a refurb and new office tower across from GC next to the highway/Busway and they too are having setbacks with Main Roads.

The development application number for the GC expansion is somewhere (a way back) in the 'under 15 stories' thread.

Fumes evacuate 1,000 from Brisbane CBD
December 16, 2008, 7:24 pm

Nine women have been treated in hospital after suspected chemical fumes caused the evacuation of 1,000 people in Brisbane's CBD.

The women were taken to Royal Brisbane Hospital with breathing difficulties.

Emergency services responded to several triple-0 calls to a 22-storey building in Anne Street just before noon on Tuesday.

Police blocked traffic along a section of Anne Street, while fire fighters tried to find the source of the fumes.

An emergency services spokeswoman said fire officers had not yet identified the cause.

"Queensland Fire and Rescue Service officers have shut down the air conditioning system and are currently conducting air quality tests," the spokeswoman said.

The Environment Protection Agency, which has offices in the high-rise, reported that chemicals were responsible for the fumes and subsequent evacuation.

"Our office at 160 Anne Street Brisbane has been evacuated due a chemical incident. The incident is being investigated by Queensland Emergency Services," the statement said.

:lol: Ann Street is spelt wrong more than twice..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/5218066/fumes-evacuate-1000-brisbane-cbd/

What could the EPA have in terms of chemicals in a highrise?????:nuts:

Ha Ha ! I have one word for that: Australand. Nothing but ordinary.

You didn't get the gist of what I was saying. I merely was pointing out that there are some small towers in addition to the townhouses. No comment was made on quality.

^
i knew the EPA is practicing the use of illegal herbs in their building

Carindale is getting some development around it.
You didn't get the gist of what I was saying. I merely was pointing out that there are some small towers in addition to the townhouses. No comment was made on quality.

Your not getting what I'm saying.....

You made reference to the densification/ development around Chermside, comparing it to Carindale. There is no comparison.

Chermside has legimate dense developments in multiple precints of many different uses. These developements are by a very large number of unrelated companies, each with their own distinction.

Carindale has a 'glorified townhouse developement' by Australand (thanks KJB) tacked on to the back of the centre. There is no further land for more developement. There are no other competing developments underway or land holdings by anyone other than Westfield.

With time, Chermside will become a true commercial node of Brisbane. Carindale is doomed to a future of only ever being a suburban shopping facility.

Garden City expansion was recently approved!

I wonder if Westfield have considered for a second the fact that every street in Chermside will be inundated with street parking and I'm sure as soon as people start parking in the Splash or Kedron-Wavell Services Club carpark they will jump on the bandwagon and start charging parking fees too.

I wonder if Westfield have considered for a second the fact that every street in Chermside will be inundated with street parking and I'm sure as soon as people start parking in the Splash or Kedron-Wavell Services Club carpark they will jump on the bandwagon and start charging parking fees too.

i doubt it, that did happen a bit in Canberra, but generally speaking people dont want to park 1km away from the shopping centre, its a little too far to walk if your pushing a shopping trolley or carrying a whole lot of bags

people will just go to the smaller centres for there weekly shop - I go to stafford - where parking will continue to be free.

^^ well considering the first 3 hours is free i doubt it

when i first moved to canberra i tried to avoid the shopping centres because you had to pay, but then you just accept the charge and go there regardless

Westfield Chermside is proposing to introduce paid parking. Many arent happy.

Facebook Group opposing the plan - http://www.facebook.com/inbox/?ref=mb#/group.php?gid=50946867696&ref=nf

My friends in Brisbane are regulars to Chermside and they arent happy.

I am the creator of that facebook group .. we are at nearly 9000 members now. Its incredible how many people are truly pissed off about this. Even I didnt expect the group to get this big.

I am the creator of that facebook group .. we are at nearly 9000 members now. Its incredible how many people are truly pissed off about this. Even I didnt expect the group to get this big.

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you admit being a suburban twat? "poor me i can't drive my tarago to westfield?!" If you didn't have 5 kids to feed maybe you could afford the carspace charge. Why don't you do something more constructive with your time rather then spending over 3 hours mindlessly trawling chermside? If thats too hard, why don't you just reduce you tithe to free up some extra cash? jesus won't mind.

Wow .. that was incredibly ignorant, rude not what I would normally expect from this forum.

What exactly was the point behind making fun of my beliefs .. aside from the fact that you have obviously had a quick read of my blog you have no idea who I am or what I am all about. I am the last person you would find hanging out at Chermside Westfield just for the fun of it. Not that it is at all any of your business. Oh yeah .. I drive an astra and I have no kids .. now you know a bit more about me .. but please feel free to make yourself look like an idiot even further by pre judging me some more.

I'm all for the parking charge. Everyone's crapping on about saving the planet and going green and whatever else in today's world, but no-one is willing to get off their asses and do something about it, particularly when it comes to private travel in cars.
Chermside has enough buses running to it, and in future will be even easier to get to with the Northern Busway. Anything that helps deter people from driving their cars here is worth it, IMO.

I'm all for the parking charge. Everyone's crapping on about saving the planet and going green and whatever else in today's world, but no-one is willing to get off their asses and do something about it, particularly when it comes to private travel in cars.
Chermside has enough buses running to it, and in future will be even easier to get to with the Northern Busway. Anything that helps deter people from driving their cars here is worth it, IMO.

Taking the buss is fine if your just going to the movies or dinner .. but have you ever tried taking $200.00 worth of groceries on the buss .. I dont think it would work all that well.

I do my part for the enviornment by riding my mountain bike into work and I drive a small car.

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Wow .. that was incredibly ignorant, rude not what I would normally expect from this forum.

What exactly was the point behind making fun of my beliefs .. aside from the fact that you have obviously had a quick read of my blog you have no idea who I am or what I am all about. I am the last person you would find hanging out at Chermside Westfield just for the fun of it. Not that it is at all any of your business. Oh yeah .. I drive an astra and I have no kids .. now you know a bit more about me .. but please feel free to make yourself look like an idiot even further by pre judging me some more.

i didnt read your blog. im just very perceptive.

i didnt read your blog. im just very perceptive.

Hmm perceptive indeed.

i deleted post *my rant was directed generally at the 9000 people who have signed up to your group rather then you individually*. but i still think its a ridiculous notion to think that you're entitled to free parking at a privately owned shopping centre... why don't you talk with your wallet/feet and shop somewhere else.

i deleted post *my rant was directed generally at the 9000 people who have signed up to your group rather then you individually*. but i still think its a ridiculous notion to think that you're entitled to free parking at a privately owned shopping centre... why don't you talk with your wallet/feet and shop somewhere else.

Thats the whole point mate .. and the majority of the 8000+ members of the facebook club plan on doing just that.

Yes the shopping centre is "privatly owned" but if it wants public consumers to continue using it they are going to have to approach this in a fair manner.

It is not the consumers problem that commuters are using Chermsides parking lots as park and ride facilities. There are currently two new park and ride facilities being constructed and will help ease the stress on the Chermside Westfields parking lots.

For a lot of people this is a matter of principle .. We are living in tough economic times and despite the fact that petrol prices are down and intrest rates are down people are still watching what they spend.

Having a shopping centre like Chermside that has venues like restuarants, movie theatres, a bowling alley, a gym and hundreds of shops to then ask its patrons to pay for any stay over 3 hours kind of defeats the purpose of having all those things to do within the centre.

Oh and unless the 9000 members of my group are all Christians (I highly doubt it) its pretty clear that your rant was directed specifically at me .. but dont sweat it .. I am pretty thick skinned and have been around forums for long enough to see through comments like yours. In the future try not to make it so personal.

Thats the whole point mate .. and the majority of the 8000+ members of the facebook club plan on doing just that.

Yes the shopping centre is "privatly owned" but if it wants public consumers to continue using it they are going to have to approach this in a fair manner.

It is not the consumers problem that commuters are using Chermsides parking lots as park and ride facilities. There are currently two new park and ride facilities being constructed and will help ease the stress on the Chermside Westfields parking lots.

For a lot of people this is a matter of principle .. We are living in tough economic times and despite the fact that petrol prices are down and intrest rates are down people are still watching what they spend.

Having a shopping centre like Chermside that has venues like restuarants, movie theatres, a bowling alley, a gym and hundreds of shops to then ask its patrons to pay for any stay over 3 hours kind of defeats the purpose of having all those things to do within the centre.

well, bide your time, no doubt krudd will come to the rescue with a 'chermside parking crisis shopper revolution fund' for pensioners and working families on family tax benifit A.

They have to pay at the airport, who is boycotting that?

I can't believe people are so petty. You only have to pay for parking after three hours (seriously who needs to shop longer than that), and the disabled/pensioners/movie goers etc will be excluded/have much longer free parking periods.

The shopping centre owners will not be worried as there will be more than enough people who will continue to shop at the centre.

It's about time people had a reality check and realised they don't own these shopping centres. Passive measures have simply not worked to remove those who are not actually shopping at the centre. Every year people complain about not being able to find a park. Whilst at the same time the provision of car space are tightly conditioned by Council (and in most cases restricted to a maximum rate on site). Its time for a system that will actually force people to do the right thing.

Get a life people and worry about more important issues in our world.

I have no dramas with it, i was forced to quickly accept it when i lived in Canberra.

But, i think it should be more of a system, like if you spend over $100 your ticket is validated.

It should be targetted at the people who just go there to browse, have a bite to eat and do nothing, these are the people taking up spaces and more or less arent really contributing anything to the income of the shopping centre.

This also goes for people who just go there to get a newspaper, a new dvd or various other small ticket items, these are the people who can catch/should PT there.

However, i dont live in the area so im not sure how good the pt is to get to the shopping centre, but it is definetly something which could be implemented at Garden City which has possibly the best PT out of any of the suburban shopping centres.

I can't believe people are so petty. You only have to pay for parking after three hours (seriously who needs to shop longer than that), and the disabled/pensioners/movie goers etc will be excluded/have much longer free parking periods.


:lol: I heard a while back one guy, im sure others also do the same. They park at Garden City near Myer in the under cover area and then get the bus to the city daily; they usually manage to find a spot (except recently when school holidays is now on). They do this just after the park is open though. :lol: the funny thing was though the guy I heard who said he did this regulary found his car one day locked in side there with chains at the exit points. He had returned so late from the city he had to get back on the bus and go home or call a cab.

Other people park in shopping centres undercover just to avoid hail storms too, but the hail is not big enough i think to be a concern....
Some ppl spend several hours if not a whole day there as they have nothing better to do... I think alot of familys on school holidays do it also to save on cooling their homes as they can shop, eat and socialise etc in the malls.... I mean the car parks are always usually full on school holidays whether it is 10am or 2pm any day of the week.

As for me, I usually walk to the shops or get a bus to the city. I grocery shop in the evenings any day but a thursday (after uni/work) so I always manage to get the same if not a very close park to the enterance. If i want to meet ppl at the shops for a movie etc I just walk to my destination or get a bus to another centre; so much easier than worry about parking and parking road rage....

:lol: BTW disabled parking spots seem to have non-disabled people parking in there too I notice, and big 4x4's, station wagons or toyota targo kinda vans seem to like to park in pram only spots... yet it doesn't always mean they have a pram... I have seen this too often already, I have seen only once a security jeep catching a young couple for parking in a disabled spot; the response from the couple was they were picking up their grandmother and couldn't get another spot... the guard let them have a few minutes, but then i saw the couple laughing their heads off when they got inside the centre, they went straight into a shop and they met a person who was definatley not their grandparent. :bash:

Just received the RACQ magazine this morning in the mail...
this article is about 5 Crucial Qld Road and transport projects...
including a new railway line,

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p300/IFB83/RoadaheadRACQ.jpg

^^ How much area would that add to GC? And is it only Myer being added...I heard from someone that a Target was moving there? The interesting thing is, there is a Target already in Mt Gravatt, about 3 mins drive from GC... I wonder if that Target would be moving...could it be the end of that shopping centre?

well the westfield carparks open on 8.55 now instead of 8.30. the closet carpark to the bus station, carpark 9 or something now opens at 9.30

Taking the buss is fine if your just going to the movies or dinner .. but have you ever tried taking $200.00 worth of groceries on the buss .. I dont think it would work all that well.

I do my part for the enviornment by riding my mountain bike into work and I drive a small car.

Funnily enough I take my groceys (often over $200 worth) on PT or as a pedestrian all the time. I don't own a car and I never take a taxi.




Next excuse?

I wouldnt take 200$ worth of shit on a bus.

Id rather do more smaller shops if i didnt have the convenience of a car.

If it takes you more than 3hrs to do $200 worth of grocery shopping, you deserve to pay the parking fee. Weak excuse. You can do your grocery shopping at a more local centre if this is going to be a problem. Your remark is a cop out.

Taking the buss is fine if your just going to the movies or dinner .. but have you ever tried taking $200.00 worth of groceries on the buss .. I dont think it would work all that well.

I do my part for the enviornment by riding my mountain bike into work and I drive a small car.

If it takes you more than 3hrs to do $200 worth of grocery shopping, you deserve to pay the parking fee. Weak excuse. You can do your grocery shopping at a more local centre if this is going to be a problem. Your remark is a cop out.Why the hate around here regarding people who'd oppose paying for parking in a suburban shopping centre? Surely these points can be made without getting all emotional?

I don't go to Chermside that often but even if there is a hint that I might have to pay for parking, well that gives me a great excuse to go somewhere else. Frankly its just another big, soulless, sprawling shopping centre with zero character, why would anyone want to pay to go there? Shop owners at Toombul must be salivating!

Emotional? Are you for real?? Someone disagrees with your point of view, and they're speaking emotionally?

If you aren't concerned about shopping elsewhere and giving this "soulless centre" a bypass, why all the fuss? Go somewhere else and be done with it.

Australia Fair on the GC has some kind of parking fee system in place (haven't been there for quite a while, can't remember specifics) and it still seems to be doing relatively ok.

I still don't see the need of anyone to stay longer than 3hrs at Chermside. Go to the city or catch the bus (to Chermside) if you need more time than that, and get over it.

Why the hate around here regarding people who'd oppose paying for parking in a suburban shopping centre? Surely these points can be made without getting all emotional?

I don't go to Chermside that often but even if there is a hint that I might have to pay for parking, well that gives me a great excuse to go somewhere else. Frankly its just another big, soulless, sprawling shopping centre with zero character, why would anyone want to pay to go there? Shop owners at Toombul must be salivating!

I wouldnt take 200$ worth of shit on a bus.

Id rather do more smaller shops if i didnt have the convenience of a car.

Yeah I do smaller shops too. I usually prefer that way I can get some exercise and fruit/vegies, ham etc won't go off over a week.... I just like buy what I need every 2-3 days and I just walk down.
No need to drive let alone no need for the bus. I find especially now with xmas crazy time, it takes just as long drive down and find a park than it is to just walk down to the local shops.

In fact for me a walk to the shops is less than 800m for me, whereas if I were to drive it is just over 1.1km; and I would use a lot of petrol as there are two wopping great hills to go up on the way home, whereas if I just walk the slope is sweet bugger all and doing my bit for the environment. If it is like storming with no break over a few days then that's a different story; have no choice but to use a car, but even then i make sure I am doing a big shop and not wasting the trip on just a few items.

:lol: I have tried riding a bicycle with a bag of groceries, it is a little challenging, but seriously I never did it again.

Funnily enough I take my groceys (often over $200 worth) on PT or as a pedestrian all the time. I don't own a car and I never take a taxi.

Next excuse?

I agree with you, I have seen people take many groceries on the bus, (as a couple who share the load or a single parent with a child, not as just an individual though) :lol: Some people though take too long, and hold up the bus though, having to go back and forth off the bus to remove all their groceries... Many elderly people do their shopping using the bus toooff peak during the week.
For off peak it's okay there aren't too many fussy people getting angry with patrons having pretty much a whole trolley's worth of stuff on the bus with them. But I don't think the bus company Clarks allows this practice during the peak hour of travel. I recall some drivers refusing passengers with more than a few bags to get on the bus when there is a big que of people.

Though I have seen people do some amazing/ crazy things depends how you see it... like a few years ago an eldery woman took an animal inside a cage on the bus, wrapped in a towel. Funnily enough the driver didn't question her, but when the towel came off accidentally and the animal made a obvious sound the bus driver said; something like, "Excuse me, lady you can't bring a live chook on this bus. I'm sorry but you have to leave now; and we are in the Rochedale area... The lady protested against it saying she wasn't going too far but just to the vet. She made news in a gossip section of the local paper in 2004 I think it was. :lol:

If it takes you more than 3hrs to do $200 worth of grocery shopping, you deserve to pay the parking fee. Weak excuse. You can do your grocery shopping at a more local centre if this is going to be a problem. Your remark is a cop out.

Chermside is my local shop ... I live in Kedron. And we dont always just grocery shop .. we tend to buy other things at other shops while we are there.

Sooo my remark is not a cop out.

Looks like I'm back in Brisbane at the end of January, but for uni reasons. This will be no holiday.

Chermside did not seem to have much variety to it, dispite the large number of shops - they were all shopping mall shops. I can stick a hell of a lot of shopping on the step through scooter, I just stick it in the green bags between my feet.

Emotional? Are you for real??

Weak excuse ... Your remark is a cop out.
Are you suggesting that an aggressive tone is not emotional? Emotional doesn't have to mean teary you know.

You and Danunbis (who later edited his post) replied to the OP on this paid carpark issue with more than a measure of contempt and aggression. You don't need to be all hardarse to get a point across, and I simply wonder what provoked that sort of response.

Um, Stafford? Lutwyche? Toombul, even?? All probably a similar distance from Kedron that Chermside is. They all have other shops too that you can buy your "other things" from.

Problem solved.

Chermside is my local shop ... I live in Kedron. And we dont always just grocery shop .. we tend to buy other things at other shops while we are there.

Sooo my remark is not a cop out.

Emotional doesn't have to mean teary you know.
Thanks for the English lesson. Disagreeing doesn't have to mean aggression, you know.

You and Danunbis (who later edited his post) replied to the OP on this paid carpark issue with more than a measure of contempt and aggression. You don't need to be all hardarse to get a point across, and I simply wonder what provoked that sort of response.
I can understand you referring to Danubis' original comment as being hardassed or aggressive. The guy I was replying to was complaining, and I was complaining about him complaining. If you want aggressive, I'll post aggressively.

Thanks for the English lesson. Disagreeing doesn't have to mean aggression, you know.


I can understand you referring to Danubis' original comment as being hardassed or aggressive. The guy I was replying to was complaining, and I was complaining about him complaining. If you want aggressive, I'll post aggressively.

i don't like your tone. i have aspergers. leave me alone.

If you want aggressive, I'll post aggressively.

its a internet forum FFS, what are you going to do, type in capslock and use exclamation marks a lot...

IM ANGRY!!! DONT MESS WITH ME!!!
:nuts:

Ha! You got it....:lol:

its a internet forum FFS, what are you going to do, type in capslock and use exclamation marks a lot...

IM ANGRY!!! DONT MESS WITH ME!!!
:nuts:

This is a really good colour film (8.36 minutes long) of Brisbane in 1959 that pugsley2005 put on youtube.

Lots of good views, bit of a quaint voice over.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=FEhb65yRGtU&feature=related

nice. that was good vid

-thanks

This is a really good colour film (8.36 minutes long) of Brisbane in 1959 that pugsley2005 put on youtube.

Lots of good views, bit of a quaint voice over.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=FEhb65yRGtU&feature=related

Cool - that leads to lots of other cool vids too.

J

State Government is looking at officially changing the name of the city.

Minister for Natural Resources and Water and Minister Assisting the Premier in North Queensland
The Honourable Craig Wallace
05/01/2009
PROPOSAL TO GIVE BRISBANE'S CBD A REAL NAME
For decades Brisbane's CBD has been officially known only by the generic term of 'City'.
As Queensland celebrates its 150th anniversary, the Bligh Government is putting forward a proposal to provide the area encompassing the Central Business District and Petrie Terrace with a proper moniker.
Natural Resources and Water Minister Craig Wallace is calling for public submissions on a proposal which would see the suburb renamed 'Brisbane'.
Minister Wallace said: "Brisbane is one of the few major cities in Australia where the capital's CBD doesn't have a name reflecting the actual city.
"Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Hobart all use the name of the city as the suburb name for their CBD areas.
"The use of the name 'city' for Brisbane's CBD has not only left the central area without a clear Queensland identity, it has also at times been a cause of confusion for Australia Post.
"A range of alternatives regularly used and listed on the State's place name database include 'Brisbane - City', 'City - Brisbane' and 'Central Brisbane'.
"This is something we would like to resolve, and that is why we are putting a suggestion out for community feedback, proposing the suburb of 'City' be renamed 'Brisbane'".
State Member for Brisbane Central Grace Grace said she fully supported the call for public comment on the naming of Brisbane's CBD.
"Those of us who live and work in Brisbane's central suburb want an official name for this area and I'm pleased that the Bligh Government is starting the process to make this happen.
"This proposed name change will provide clarity on the official name of the CBD area for Australia Post, Emergency Services and all local residents."
Mr Wallace said as part of the proposed name change, the boundaries of the suburb will be amended to align with rear property boundaries, centrelines of roads and natural features such as the Brisbane River.
"The current position of the suburb boundaries are not linked to property boundaries or roads and are therefore open to confusion," Mr Wallace said.
"The boundary actually runs through the middle of some properties and separates neighbouring buildings between two suburbs. For example, the address of All Hallows' School is Fortitude Valley, but some separate buildings on the school grounds fall into the suburb boundary of 'City'.
"A small section of the Suncorp Stadium precinct is also separated across the current boundary.
"The proposed change aims to resolve this issue of properties straddling neighbouring suburbs.
"The proposal is now open for public submissions and I encourage Queenslanders to put forward their views."
Further information and a map of the area is now available on the Department of Natural Resources and Water website www.nrw.qld.gov.au. Submissions can be made on line or by contacting Information Services at the Department of Natural Resources and Water on (07) 3406 2546.
Submissions close on Friday 13 March 2009.
Media Contact: Minister Wallace's office, 3896 3688.

Call it Gotham.

^^ Lol talk about confusing member of Brisbane Central's name is Grace Grace... :lol: haven't heard that name in the press in years...

Brisbane CBD should be just called "Brisbane" nothing else.... not Brisbane Central or Central Brisbane, or Brisbane City CBD etc... just "Brisbane" don't call it something totally new... like "River City" as it will confuse the hell out of people even more.... and yeah in a way the way "Brisbane CBD" being known as "Brisbane City" is confusing for the rest of the whole metro area....

BTW ^^ how the hell do u get Gotham out of Brissy? :lol: do u mean like, Gothic Central a place where all the Brisbane Youth Goths hang out especially in the mall (opp HJ) and outside Myer Centre (Elizabeth St side) :lol:

no no
the Gotham Building or the Qld Law Building or something
well thats what i reckon
but hey Gotham would actually be a pretty cool name if you think about it

Hasn't postcode 4000 always been known as 'Brisbane'??? This is the correct name as it stands. Just like 2000 is 'Sydney' and 3000 is 'Melbourne'.

This is stupid.

I dont think it should be changed to Brisbane, i like it as the city or cbd.

Melbourne and Sydney have there respective names of the CBD because they dont have amalgamated councils, seems like a waste just to change something for the sake of changing it.

no no
the Gotham Building or the Qld Law Building or something
well thats what i reckon
but hey Gotham would actually be a pretty cool name if you think about it

RE: no no, about the gothic community.... :lol: i know that wasn't it... just joshing... and wanted to know the real idea... yeah i know the bldg your talking about the one which is refered as the Batman House this one:

50 Ann Street.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p300/IFB83/panoramiodotcomphotos.jpg
Sourced from: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/6376205

If that building was on the the enterance to the city where say Brisbane Square is and built to the same size as it with that roof decoration then maybe it would be good.... but i think now Brisbane should be refered to as just the "Brisbane CBD"

As an outsider, I have always called the Brisbane CBD 'Brisbane' . I have sometimes used 'Brisbane City' but that also includes describing the inner city area.

Hasn't postcode 4000 always been known as 'Brisbane'??? This is the correct name as it stands. Just like 2000 is 'Sydney' and 3000 is 'Melbourne'.

This is stupid.

correct. and the ABS uses "Brisbane" as name for the area, which itself can be divded into 'City - Inner' and 'City - Remainder'

this is pretty much an irrelevent issue.

i always thought it was brisbane. whenever i send mail or couriers to addresses within the city, i always note brisbane as the suburb. this is a pretty pointless exercise by the govt.

everyone knows it as the 'City' and the suburb is 'Brisbane'. SIMPLE!!!

Maybe the Gov needs to appear to be doing something... something for the pen pushers to do for the first few months of 09.

i always thought it was brisbane. whenever i send mail or couriers to addresses within the city, i always note brisbane as the suburb. this is a pretty pointless exercise by the govt.

everyone knows it as the 'City' and the suburb is 'Brisbane'. SIMPLE!!!


i call it the city, but if im going out clubbing i sometimes call it 'town', not so much these days, generally i just say im going to the 'Valley'

Just vote the Gov. out and they wont be very concerned anymore about such stupid trivia. I can't believe I actually voted Labour once upon a time. It's getting sillier and sillier.

I'll either say City or Town, if I'm going out for a few drinks then I'll invite friends out into the city, and when I used to buy bus tickets I would always ask for a ticket into town.

Does seem a rather trivial issue.

Does seem a rather trivial issue.

YAH!! Maybe they should start doing their job and fixing all the fencing along our deteriorating riverfront and the riverwalk they have had blocked off for the last 3 months instead of arguing about pointless shit like this!!! Goddamnit they really PISS ME OFF!!

Here we go, here come the national party voters, do they give you a manual for commenting on forums and the Courier Mail website? Surprising that no-one has said "Time for a change" yet...

The article makes it fairly clear that it's to make the name official for property records and boundaries etc. If they didn't open it up for consultation you'd be whingeing about that instead.

Surprising that no-one has said "Time for a change" yet...


That was taken by Kevin07..

^^ What he said. I find it hilarious that you fell into that one.

It's not just a matter of 'National party voters' anymore. It's a matter of chucking out a government that's been given plenty of chances, but has managed to make a pretty catastrophic mess out of managing this state. I mean really... The present government is so far down the tubes everyone agrees it's a joke. It's just a matter of whether they think the LNP is a worthy gamble to take.

I say why the heck not. They can't do any worse.

Edit: On recollection, I think they probably could do worse than Bligh if they were truly stupid... But not even a one eyed rock could do worse than Beattie. That man was less useful than fish guts.

The current Queensland Labor party are a god send compared to what our counterparts down south (NSW) have to deal with. Even the new WA premier is turning into a big goose and quickly, and well the Victorian Premier leaves alot to be desired.

That said this is a really trival issue, the land boundaries get updated every so often anyways so the opportunity seems to have arrisen to give it a name change. The community consultation is probably required by law for an official name change. If they had officially changed I doubt anyone would have even known. Also its a quiet january on the political front so anything to help get a headline.

That was taken by Kevin07..

And Obama 08 and whatever the NZ party guy who ousted Helun was. And I daresay the LNP will use it as well.

If you add the population in the greater brisbane / Sunshine / Goldy etc we're hitting 3066000 people...
Off track i know ^_^

If you add the population in the greater brisbane / Sunshine / Goldy etc we're hitting 3066000 people...
Off track i know ^_^

Thats something we never speak off, southerners hate it.

Better zip it:)

j

Yes, a conurbation 180km long with over 3M people in it and a car ownership ratio of 67% or 1.7M cars.

Thats something we never speak off, southerners hate it.

Better zip it:)

j

Why? I tell that to everyone.

People are generally surprised.

Why? I tell that to everyone.

People are generally surprised.


I mean on this forum because you can get banned for it.

J

I mean on this forum because you can get banned for it.

J

Why? :ohno:

Why? :ohno:

Well its like this. Brisbane has a population of around 1.9 million people. If you quote anything more, or discuss the fact that the connurbation is exceeding 3 million you get in trouble. You see people down south like to think of Brisbane a a small city, most still think its just over 1 million. Anything to the contrary is alarming to them - which is why we never mention the 3 million figure. You can get banned although mostly you'll just find your posts will suddenly vanish.
J

Oh dear, :nuts:

Let's see how long it takes ^_^

JayT what burb do you live in? I'll take some pics of the Skyline/Springhill/Valley from my Balcony @ McWhirters and post em... Sunset is to die for!

^^ I thought free speech is part of your rights in Australia :lol: :lol: just not on this forum...
yeah true, i rather speak of SEQ as a series of smaller populations after Brisbane being the main population of XX not just one big one... after all there is rural spread through the area too like some in Gumdale, Rochedale, still some in Runcorn and parts of Sunnybank still is rural... some rural in Pullenvale, and between the sunshine coast and caboolture, rural south of caboolture and some between gold coast and logan etc etc.... between and some green space between gold and logan or sunshine and brissy, Redlands and Brisbane but not like Sydney which just has one big heap to the south and to the north.. so technically sprawl isn't to the full extent and that's probably why the southern cities get shitty with SEQ being one massive population figure if mentioned on here....

anyway that's my :2cents: being a newbie in the last yr or 2...

Oh dear, :nuts:

Let's see how long it takes ^_^

JayT what burb do you live in?
New Farm - the city side. Not far from Moray Cafe.
J

yeah the driving around brisbane and urban sprawl areas feels WAY BIGGER then MELBOURNE haha hope i dont get kicked, besides brisbane is going to take over both sydney and melbourne one day and thats wot these peeps from down south are afraid of, QLD is growing so much faster overall than any other state. cairns, tsv, mackay are all little citys coming of age, i mean look at the suburbs poping up over night in these places. mackay and tsv both have multi billion dollar subdivisions and satelite towns in the works.

Yes, Brisbane seems to have hit its critical mass to become a major conurbation, has been rivalling Sids and Mels for yonks. Adelaide seems to be packing a sad due to its proximity to Melbourne with everyone going to Mels. Both of which are far too close to the South Pole for my liking.

Brisbane drastically needs a trillion dollars worth of road and infrastructure projects...

WOW, i had no idea you people thought like that, whats with the talk of ''southerners'' shit and ''cant take Brisbane pop over 3million''
Like, what are we scared off down in the SOUTH.............
Come down to Melbourne to compare our sprawl to yours, you would fill your nappies...
By the way, Brisbane does not have any where near 3 million people.............

...

WOW, i had no idea you people thought like that, whats with the talk of ''southerners'' shit and ''cant take Brisbane pop over 3million''
Like, what are we scared off down in the SOUTH.............
Come down to Melbourne to compare our sprawl to yours, you would fill your nappies...
By the way, Brisbane does not have any where near 3 million people.............

We weren't talking about Brisbane having 3 million people, we meant the whole of SEQ having 3 million.

^^^^

Do you think that no one out side of Queensland reads the Queensland threads??????
No wonder some ''SOUTHERNERS'' still think of Queenslanders as REDNECK HICKS.....

^^^^

Do you think that no one out side of Queensland reads the Queensland threads??????
No wonder some ''SOUTHERNERS'' still think of Queenslanders as REDNECK HICKS.....
Pot, meet kettle.

^^^^

Do you think that no one out side of Queensland reads the Queensland threads??????
No wonder some ''SOUTHERNERS'' still think of Queenslanders as REDNECK HICKS.....

no wonder queenslanders still think victorians are insecure bastards

frankly, i couldnt give a shit

no wonder queenslanders still think victorians are insecure bastards

frankly, i couldnt give a shit

Amen

Pot, meet kettle.

enough with the kettleblackpotmeshit. find a new idiom [sic] du jour.

Hahah ... this is funny ...

flamewars
"oh im better then you"
"no i am"

why cant we just enjoy how lucky we are because we are in this beautiful country

haha they hate to admit brisbanes size, yet there mass exodus from down south is half the reason SEQ is overflowing. btw i dont think melbourne has as much overall continual sprawl as SEQ, like they should just call anything out of brisbane : greater brisbane, or someshit

^^^
Get a reality check.........................

haha they hate to admit brisbanes size, yet there mass exodus from down south is half the reason SEQ is overflowing. btw i dont think melbourne has as much overall continual sprawl as SEQ, like they should just call anything out of brisbane : greater brisbane, or someshit

There is actually nothing much outside of Melbourne except open farms. Its really quite odd, one minute your in suburbs the next your in country. I think thats unique to Melbourne. You can actually stand in the country and see the skyline. Up here we have about 100km of "Exurbia" or rural residential housing estates to get through before you reach the country.

Though I'm not a big fan of SEQ'lds Exurbia as its the worst kind of development in terms of greenhouse gas emissions etc. All those hundreds of thousands of people commuting into the city, its no wonder trains and freeways are packed before they even reach the city limits.

While most of the roads entering Melbourne from regional Victoria are 4 lanes most of Brisbane's are 8 lanes (or more in some cases).

J

You need to remember though that Melbourne is essentially flat - Brisbane and surrounds are very very hilly.

i kinda agree with jayt.

im not a fan of sprawl at all. i would prefer to have density. So i think melbourne has it over Brisbane in that respect. But really, SEQ is the best place to live in Aus. With Sunny Coast, Brisbane and Gold Coast all within a 2 hour drive from one end to the other, then it has all bases covered for fun, sun and things to do.

There is actually nothing much outside of Melbourne except open farms. Its really quite odd, one minute your in suburbs the next your in country. I think thats unique to Melbourne. You can actually stand in the country and see the skyline. Up here we have about 100km of "Exurbia" or rural residential housing estates to get through before you reach the country.
J

Actually, Brissy has this too, in Roachdale anyway. As soon as your cross over the Gateway motorway going east on Miles-Platting Rd you suddenly find yourself among farms! Farms I tells ya!

From: Brisbane Times (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/on-your-bikes-brisbane/2009/01/22/1232471476891.html)
On your bikes, Brisbane: Paris-style cycle scheme for CBD
Marissa Calligeros and AAP | January 22, 2009 - 2:57PM

Brisbane has adopted a Paris-style bicycle hire scheme in a bid to lead a revolution in the way Australians move around cities to cut traffic congestion and pollution.

Canary-yellow coloured two-wheelers will be stationed at 150 hire points throughout the CBD next year, after Lord Mayor Campbell Newman today formalised a contract with the company behind Paris' bicycle revolution, JCDecaux.

In 2007, Parisian authorities introduced a self-service bike hire scheme, which in its first two months saw more than four million trips made.

From March 2010, subscribers to the Brisbane scheme will be able to access 2000 bicycles at depots in the city, from inner-northern Newstead to the western university suburb of St Lucia, about four kilometres from the CBD.

People wanting to use the bikes can buy a swipe card costing $55 a year, $25 a quarter, or $10 a day.

As long as the bicycle is returned to one of the locations within 30 minutes, there are no extra charges.

However, cyclists who head out on longer jaunts will be hit with a sliding scale of charges.

A two- to three-hour hire will cost $18 and a 10- to 24-hour hire will be $150.

The bike docking stations, which will be positioned no more than 300 metres apart, will operate from 5am to 10pm daily.

The grey and yellow bikes come with a metal basket on the handlebars and are heavier than standard bicycles, built to withstand heavy use.

The city will spend a record $100 million on new bikeways by 2012.

" operates similar schemes in 16 countries, including the highly successful Paris scheme, which wasJCDecaux one of the inspirations for doing it here in Brisbane," Lord Mayor Newman said.

"This is a great outcome that should see installation by the end of the year," Cr Newman said.

"When this is all up and running, it will encourage more people in the CBD to undertake short trips by bicycle, bringing with it the benefits of reduced congestion and better personal health.

"Brisbane will be the first city in Australia to deliver a public bicycle hire scheme with Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and even London following in our footsteps."


I posted my thoughts over in the transport section, but in general costs seem high, not 24/7 operating hours, and this JCDecaux crowd seem to be moving into Brisbane PT.

costs are just too high. this is a bicycle were talking about. Those prices are more suited to vehicular public transport

Actually, Brissy has this too, in Roachdale anyway. As soon as your cross over the Gateway motorway going east on Miles-Platting Rd you suddenly find yourself among farms! Farms I tells ya!

Our country is different - much more densly populated around Brisbane. Imagine being in the wheat belt in western NSW, big paddocks of grass, few trees, straight roads and then - Big skyline. Thats Melbourne. There is nowhere in Brisbane which is like that. Perhaps west of Ipswich is close - but too far to see Brisbane.

J

A few years ago you could stand amongst the cattleyards at Murrarie and get a great view of the city, but it has become suburban with retail/industrial estates thrown in. There's still a few big yards and horses in paddocks around Hemmant.

Brisbane's hillyness, and the mountains close to the West are a barrier to the effect you are talking about JayT.

Brisbane's hillyness, and the mountains close to the West are a barrier to the effect you are talking about JayT.

Thankyou! Finally some sense.

i still remember only like 8 years ago along Belmont Road in Belmont still has chicken farms there.

I live in Chandler, which is part of the area along the Gateway corridor being discussed (Hemmant thru Belmont & Burbank to Rochedale). Really, it's nothing like 'farms' here. It's just acreage lifestyle... That's all... And we're VERY fortunate to have the lifestyle so close to the CBD and the motorway, but we have dense suburbs to the west and suburbia to the east (Redlands, Wynnum etc). Really, it's just a pocket of acreage blocks nestled between suburbs.

There are SOME farms here and there, but nothing to speak of.

Brisbane does not have the 'Melbourne effect' purely because of geography. It's entirely different. We have these interesting things called hills.

I live in Chandler, which is part of the area along the Gateway corridor being discussed (Hemmant thru Belmont & Burbank to Rochedale). Really, it's nothing like 'farms' here. It's just acreage lifestyle... That's all... And we're VERY fortunate to have the lifestyle so close to the CBD and the motorway, but we have dense suburbs to the west and suburbia to the east (Redlands, Wynnum etc). Really, it's just a pocket of acreage blocks nestled between suburbs.

There are SOME farms here and there, but nothing to speak of.

Brisbane does not have the 'Melbourne effect' purely because of geography. It's entirely different. We have these interesting things called hills.

That area you live in is part of Brisbane's original Greenbelt. In the 1930's they set aside land right around the city which is why Brisbane has such a disjointed urban sprawl.

J

except there is a massive new project going in at Rochedale right in the middle of all that green belt..

^^ It's been happening for a while now. They've already developed Wakerly, Tingalpa, part of Gumdale, Manly West, Belmont Heights in recent times. Literally, the suburbs have been transformed within a couple of years. There are shopping centres, communities and housing estates just everywhere. It's a nice area... But they need to upgrade infrastructure to reflect the development. So It looks like parts of the green belt will go.

It was so sudden, I drove out that way one morning and literally went 'what the?!?!'

Edit: Thanks for that info JayT, I had often wondered why the 'greenbelt' existed.

^^
I know what you mean. I live in Mackenzie, which is directly under Chandler.
They are now opening lands along the Mt Petrie Rd
shame really, it is a nice drive. but i guess they wont open the lands near the Brisbane Clay Association

rochedale will become home to 15,000 ppl over the next 10-20 years. all the area south of Mt Gravatt Capalaba Rd and north of the Logan border will be come low to medium density housing with a designated town centre

I was always proud of the fact that we had the least congestion and the best traffic flow in the eastern suburbs. Not for long eh?

They need to do something drastic to improve roads out here - they're not made to handle traffic. Either that or get some good public transport infrastructure into the new suburbs. There's no train line in this area! The timeline for the Eastern Busway isn't good enough... Chandler station is planned for 2026 or beyond. Besides, the high development areas are to the north and the south of Chandler.

Any ideas on what they plan to do about PT?

Fortunately Gumdale, Chandler and Burbank will remain low density acreage suburbs :)

Here is some good news, well I think so anyways.

Premier
The Honourable Anna Bligh
26/01/2009
BLIGH GIVES CITY VIEWS BACK TO THE PUBLIC
Premier Anna Bligh has announced the State Government will create a priceless new public park on the edge of the Kangaroo Point cliff.
Ms Bligh said the former South Bank Institute TAFE building on the site will be demolished and the area transformed into 9,867 m2 of extra green space for Brisbane.
The land is situated on the top of Kangaroo Point Cliffs over the banks of the Brisbane River and directly across the River from the Botanical Gardens.
"This new park, which will offer the best views of the capital city, is a 150th birthday present to the people of Queensland," Ms Bligh said.
"Part of my Government's Q2 vision is providing green space for the public to enjoy and that extends right into the heart of our busy urban centres.
"In a growing city like Brisbane land like this is incredibly valuable to developers - but it is priceless to the people of Brisbane and that's why we are going to give it back to them.
"There will be people gathered on these cliffs tonight to watch Australia Day fireworks - in less than a year's time they will be watching New Years Eve celebrations in this new park."
The 9,867 m2 park will link up with the existing thin strip of park that runs along the top of the cliffs adjacent to River Terrace.
The initial concept is for the new park to include a cafeteria, gas barbeque areas, picnic shelters and a children's playground.
Car parking for the new park will also be created with the entire project expected to cost around $8.75 million.
The sale of the old TAFE car park on the other side of River Terrace will help fund the project.
"This will be a place which families can enjoy and where tourists can come during the day and at night to enjoy some of the best views Brisbane has to offer," said the Premier.
"We intend for there to be a café or restaurant on the site and we will be seeking tenders from the private sector for this facility."
The old TAFE consists of three main buildings and was constructed in the 1960s but has been vacant since the TAFE moved to South Bank in July 2008.
Premier Bligh said the Government would call for tenders for the demolition of the old South Bank Institute TAFE building in late February 2009.
"It is estimated that this project will create 75 jobs as we enter into a difficult year for the Queensland economy," she said.
"Demolition should be completed by mid year and the new park is expected to be finished by November 2009."


Open to correction but I believe this is the site: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=-27.475865,153.035265&spn=0.002346,0.004828&t=h&z=18

Bloody brilliant I say, hopefully we can get the fireworks around the eastern side of the city more often then Riverfire as well.

I would love to see a restaurant that has uninterrupted views of the CBD in the park, something that could have the potential to be a landmark for Brisbane.

Restaurant?! That is crazy talk! I think it is FANTASTIC news that it is turning into a park. That TAFE building is hideous!

This has the potential to be very exciting for Brisbane and KP.:banana:

Fantastic news for Brisbane. Perhaps there will be another pedestrian bridge linking this with the Botanic Gardens in the future.

yeah great news, that is a pretty significant sized parcel of land..

I imagine we might see something similar to what they are planning under the story bridge with glass elevators linking the upper and lower terraces.

I think a restaurant etc. would be an awesome idea --

LOL what about a SINGING FOUNTAIN?? hahaah jks.

sounds great imo --

TAFE To be demolished and turned into a park, about time...
That site is fugly and old... i had fallen asleep once in there in the older bldg and dreamt i saw a ghost.... :lol: that was only after some guy told me it used to be a mental hospital :lol:... but i don't think that was a hospital..... the bldg to the far south (Not the tin shed) was partly abandonend in mid 2002-mid 2004 when I was studying there....
only a couple of floors were used. Some ppl from tafe used to go into there find a place to sleep and no one ever came in there.... One guy actually got away with living in there for a whole week and security never found him out... :lol: there was a few secret rooms with no windows... it was full of furniture too, so u couldn't be found out...

I was told back then by one of the lectures that the TAFE was eventually to be shut down after all of South Bank Tafe merged to south Bank, including most of the Morningside site moved to Sth Bank. The lecturer also said that apparently you can't develop anything too big over the cliffs up here in the future because of the footings or something is not very stable. SO either the site has to be redeveloped in its current form or just demolished. I think it was cheaper for the govt to sell it off, but because it was worth a lot of $$ the new buyer couldn't do much with it as it wouldn't be as viable as they couldn't put anything too tall on the site due to the footings or something.

So for it to become a new park would be just great... :)

Yeah come to think about it, a park is better than more housing there anyway or any other development, it has some steep edges and very close to a busy road... adding more vehicles to the road there would just be chaotic.

rochedale will become home to 15,000 ppl over the next 10-20 years. all the area south of Mt Gravatt Capalaba Rd and north of the Logan border will be come low to medium density housing with a designated town centre


that would be interesting
right now, theres a landfill, a brickyard, some brisbane pony club and 1 or 2 farms along gardner road.

the landfill can't obviously be built on and i'm not sure of long term future of the brickworks. anyway, there is still large tracts of rural land south of the dump that will be opened up for development. there will be a grid of sub arterial roads based on some of the existing roads that do and don't currently join up. it will benefit from the EMP busway and proposed Rochedale Busway station at School Rd / Underwood Rd. this is pretty much the last large tract of open greenfield land left within BCC and it will be planned as a MPC (master planned community)

Restaurant?! That is crazy talk! I think it is FANTASTIC news that it is turning into a park. That TAFE building is hideous!

This has the potential to be very exciting for Brisbane and KP.:banana:

Why is it crazy talk? Long lunches with views over the river to the CBD, it would be a great way to spend a couple of hours for lunch or dinner. Part of the concept is for a cafeteria so why not a restaurant with maybe a takeaway facility for say good quality fish'n'chips. Could be potential for an iconic destination for visitors to Brisbane.

All will be an improvement on the present ghastly situation with those butt ugly buildings perched on top of the cliffs.

Why is it crazy talk? Long lunches with views over the river to the CBD, it would be a great way to spend a couple of hours for lunch or dinner. Part of the concept is for a cafeteria so why not a restaurant with maybe a takeaway facility for say good quality fish'n'chips. Could be potential for an iconic destination for visitors to Brisbane.

Something like whats there at Roma St Parklands, open air restaurant, Gamabaro's or the like perhaps.

Total change of topic here .. but has anyone heard any more news about where the Brisbane Costco is going to be located. I searched the victoria section of these forums and oddly found no info. The Melbourne docklands location is suppposed to be already under construction .. anyone know anything because I cant seem to find much info.

A bit of googling shows Logan, but nothing to back it up.

A bit of googling shows Logan, but nothing to back it up.

Yeah .. that rumours been going around for ages .. wondered if anyone had heard anything new.

I did notice they have a head office listed in the yellow pages for sydney now .. might just give them a call tomorrow and see what I can find out.

Edit: never mind .. someone just advised me that the search function is broken and there is some info about it over in the victoria section .. so far I've only found a pic of the construction site though.

Went to the State Library today, highly recomend everyone that likes video games to go there whilst "Game On" is going, it lasts until mid Feb. A great collection of video games, old and new, and lots on the history of games and game design. It was cool playing old arcade games like Tron, Galaga, Spacies, Pacman, etc in the original form.

I went in early December. It was fun playing pacman but I found playing Sonic on the Sega Mega Drive very tempting. I was amazed too at the number of consoles that was actually on display, half of them which I had no clue that actually existed. Highly recommended and with no kids in there at present, its even better. The school groups will probably return in a few weeks before it closes.

Last night I was in the Valley to watch live bands at The Zoo with a group from uni. I was amazed at how dead the area was. I even did an interview with the unofficial mayor of the Valley (Neil I recall) and some of the bar staff for a uni radio documentary on the area that I want to do. They said it was normal.

I return to Sydney tonight. I was only in yesterday and today and I couldnt get into the CBD like I had hoped for. At least I didnt have to pay a cent for it.

The valley is pretty low-key on weeknights. If you had been on a Weekend night you'd have trouble moving.

the valley is disgusting

the valley is disgusting

Don't knock it country boy

the valley is disgusting

maybe so, but its got soul! ;)

the valley is disgusting

In what ways?
Other than the smelly alley of rubbish bins Sometimes not closed properly... lol near the china town area i could smell the stench of foulness from some bins... and besides a few trashy homeless teen sniffing paint in plastic bags in the early hours of the morning... :nuts: ... what is disgusting about the valley? i don't see the whole valley being overly disgusting though :lol:

pfft, we'll keep the valley, you keep your Gilhooleys chermside. have a fun time :D

I like the valley, it always gives me this cool feel everytime i go there

country boy? man i spend as much time down there as i do here. nah i just had a bad experience in the valley, got hit in the head with a can of beer from an angry abo bum. 15 mins later got punched in the mouth for asking for directions to theodores bar ( in adelaide st i think 383)

hmm
the question is, why did you got hit by an angry abo bum?

country boy? man i spend as much time down there as i do here. nah i just had a bad experience in the valley, got hit in the head with a can of beer from an angry abo bum. 15 mins later got punched in the mouth for asking for directions to theodores bar ( in adelaide st i think 383)

Were you down the station end on Brunswick Street between Wickham and St Pauls Tce? That's the part of the valley where you keep your head down and don't talk to people.

hmm
the question is, why did you got hit by an angry abo bum?

I've also been punched in the face by a person that matches that description... If you can ever find out why, I'd be grateful - it was completely random, I was just walking along the street with 2 girls at the time. The guy that hit me had a great laugh with his mate and as I walked up the street turned out he did it to a few people (I regret not reporting it actually).

man
that is just unlucky.
people like these are the ones who are keeping tourists away from our great city

When I was in the Valley, our leader from uni was telling everyone (especially the interstate folks like me) to walk around in pairs just in case something happened if we were on the streets. I did notice a few cops patrolling the streets on foot. I feel fairly safe around there generally.

I'll add to the chorus of those receiving random abuse in The Valley. I was also on Brunswick St, walking briskly with 2 girls, not saying anything or even looking at anyone. Guy calls out 'howya doin bro?' - I didn't realise he was talking to me, so kept walking. He followed and started screaming abuse and asking whether I was paranoid or something. Fortunately he gave up as I continued to walk on and ignore him. Nothing major, but the reason I mention it is because it was only 4 days ago.

Weird. I usually never get this kind of thing. I'm 6'8" and a heavily built guy, so bogans tend to behave.

I'm not a big fan of The Valley. There are nice places to go here and there, but the vibe of the place isn't the best at times.

Lots of dero's there because they get fed there, so they hang around there to be fed.

Again, can anybody say which part of the Valley this happened in? Because 90% of it is safe - the 10% between Wickham and St Pauls Terrace (not just on Brunswick Street) is agreeably dodgy but the rest is fine.

And I have had many more incidents in West End than in the Valley. And I used to live in the Valley - at the St. Pauls Terrace end. I have even had more problems in the CBD after house. There are twits everywhere.

Again, can anybody say which part of the Valley this happened in? Because 90% of it is safe - the 10% between Wickham and St Pauls Terrace (not just on Brunswick Street) is agreeably dodgy but the rest is fine.

There are always a group of homeless looking individuals who are mostly aboriginal hanging outside the entrance to the station on Brunswick St. I've never had any trouble and never felty threatened but it's not a great look especially for visitors to Brisbane.

^^Yet many cities with more visitors than Brisbane have bigger problems than we have (think Paris, Rome, Bangkok etc.)

As I said, it was on Brunswick St, but further south. On the corner of Brunswick and Harcourt St to be precise.

Just some dude walking along with 2 mates and a carton of beer under his arm. I'm not too peturbed - there are idiots everywhere. You never can tell, whether it be in The Valley or elsewhere.

We can probabaly blame the homeless for the financial crisis too eh - while we are at it - Lets blame them for everything actually. For instance, this is really why all the tall buildings are now either on hold or cancelled - its the homeless stupid...

Uh....

Where did that diatribe come from?

homeless people forced him to say it

The homeless have been at it again.........

http://photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/OfficeReportJan09/Brisbane.jpg

No, but seriously, this is vey bad news for new office developments. A glut of unleased stock on the market for the whole of 2009, and it may hang around in to 2010. No need to build new office buildings in this environment.

I am so confused, how on earth did rochedale get to number 1 in queensland. I guess there must be a lot of properties over there ripe for subdivision.

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2009/02/04/45555_gold-coast-real-estate.html
Coast priced down rich list

Jenny Rogers

February 4th, 2009

THE Gold Coast has lost its mantle of million-dollar mecca and to a little-known Brisbane suburb to boot.

Our blue-chip suburbs of Mermaid Beach and Surfers Paradise, which have topped the state for the past four years as Queensland's most expensive suburbs, have been beaten into second and third position in the Australian Property Investor Magazine's rich list.

Rochedale, a former farming area south of Brisbane which was named after an Irish family of small croppers and choko growers, is the surprise entry which has shot into No.1 position out of the blue.

It recorded a median house price of $1.67 million after its yearly annual growth skyrocketed by a whopping 72.6 per cent, the largest jump in the state, according to new research by Australian Property Monitors.

The massive median house price growth was based on 13 sales in the past year.

The millionaire's row suburb of Mermaid Beach had to settle for second place after recording a median house price of $1.37 million, and Surfers Paradise, traditionally our blue ribbon enclave, took third with a median house price of $1.28 million.

It is a far cry from the heady days of 2005 when the Gold Coast boasted four out of the top five prestige suburbs in Queensland which had annual property prices of more than $1 million.

Back then, our bluechip strip of Surfers Paradise, Mermaid Beach, Main Beach and the Sovereign Islands ruled.

Rochedale, about 20km south of Brisbane in the Brisbane to Gold Coast corridor, has large acreage lots and new residential estates.

While it has traditionally been a rural area, it has recently caught the eye of developers, with council rezoning the area to allow large tracts of land to be turned into housing estates.

The suburb is expected to experience significant growth over the next one to two decades, as Brisbane's population expands further out.

In the year to October, 2008, Rochedale turned over a higher volume of sales at the top end of the market with an average price for houses of $2.06 million, according to APM.

Meanwhile, Mermaid Beach posted an average sale price of $1.74 million per house, while Surfers Paradise recorded an average of $1.58 million per house.

APM senior economist Liam O'Hara said developers with an eye on a future bargain were the likely reason for Rochedale's surprise entry into the rich list.

"The change in planning regulations has allowed the developers to move in and push the median price up with a number of big sales," said Mr O'Hara.

Gold Coast-based Real Estate Institute of Queensland chairman Peter McGrath said he found the figures very surprising.

"Rochedale is a lovely suburb, but from my years of property experience, I would have thought that pricewise it would not be anywhere near Mermaid Beach or Surfers Paradise," he said.

"Unless the median price jump is based on some extraordinary sales, it is certainly a surprise to me.

"Without a doubt, looking at the dynamics of each suburb and with no disrespect to Rochedale, I would have thought what Surfers Paradise and Mermaid Beach offer in terms of diversity and location would put them far ahead."

Mr McGrath said he believed the 13 sales on which the median price was based were too small a sample to reflect an accurate picture of the market.

When it comes to growth rate in the past year, Coomera in the northern growth corridor also managed to rack up an impressive yearly growth rate of 66.9 per cent, second after Rochedale, according to APM.

And in yet another indication that Gold Coast property owners are continuing to hold unrealistic price expectations, Gold Coast property now takes longer to sell than anywhere else in the country.

The average number of days on the market before a Gold Coast property is sold has now blown out to 153 days, according to APM.

Newcastle recorded 122 days, Perth 113, Brisbane 106, Sydney 91, Melbourne 89, Adelaide 75 and Canberra 63 average days.

THANKYOU - my point EXACTLY.

The reads like an essay on how stupid the Directors at APM are. They obviously have not been to Roachdale. If Liam O'Hara actually left his office and went there he would relaise that the majority of HOUSES are 3 bedroom lowset brick & tile houses built in the 80s.

To suggest that any house has gone up by 73% in twelve months, or any HOUSE is worth $1.7M is the height of stupidity. A passing reference to Developer Sales is not enough to justify the spreading of such mis-information.

The Directors of APM should not have allowed such rubbish to go to print.

Sorry APM, say goodbye to any creditability you once had.

Rochedale Urban Village precinct plan and yes - a massive market for subdivisions.

Rochedale Urban Village precinct plan and yes - a massive market for subdivisions.

Rochedale is beautiful the way it is. I love the intense agriculture mixed with mansions - reminds me of some parts of Asia. It will probably turn into another Sunnybank - abiet better planned.

Look at Google Earth - its quite a treat.

J

Yes, 60 roomed mansions in Rochedale on huge acreages are going to be worth a lot.

Yes, 60 roomed mansions in Rochedale on huge acreages are going to be worth a lot.

Yes, particularly to the 70 odd asian families that live in one.

Last Fridays Prime Site:

A Korean developer, Mirae has bought one of the best sites in West End. It is 12,420m2 on the cnr of Montague Rd & Beesley St. It is behind the Ko Ko development and just down from West End Park.

They got it for a good price - $20.12M, about $1,620/m2. It is not a fire sale price, so thankfully it suggests our market is holding up.

Quality blocks of land should still sell quite well if they are indeed good enough. That appears to be a corker of a site so yeah the price held up reasonably well, that said a year ago you quite possibly would have gotten more.

This 16 Storey project is now officially CANCELLED. Thanks heaps to the West End action group.

West End residents win fight against developer (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/west-end-residents-win-fight-against-developer/2009/02/11/1234028097805.html)

Brisbane Times | Tony Moore | February 11, 2009

West End residents have won their first court case against a developer who wanted to build a 16-storey residential tower in the area.

Developers Aria Properties this morning withdrew from a legal challenge by the West End Community Association (WECA) in the Planning and Environment Court.

Last year, WECA appealed a Brisbane City Council decision to approve Aria's application for a 16-storey development in Edmonstone Street.

WECA raised $15,000 for a fighting fund and has spent $5000 battling the decision through the court.

WECA president Darren Godwell said he was delighted with Aria's decision to pull its development application.

"How fantastic is it when a bunch of people get together and say, 'Nah, this is no good and we are going to do something about it'," he said.

"Sure enough, and as soon as it came anywhere near the daylight, the council and Aria ran," he said.

"They did not want to spend one minute in the court, not one second."

Yesterday, lawyers representing Aria Properties wrote to WECA's lawyers after the developer did not lodge the paperwork to justify its application.

"We were going to ask the court to make an order directed against Aria," Mr Godwell explained.

"The moment they received that notice from us it seems like they just dropped any will to proceed. And they sent us a note through our solicitors yesterday, some correspondence yesterday where they flagged that they wanted the party to consent to the appeal being upheld, and that the development application being refused. They threw in the flag."

WECA will now establish a fighting fund to take other inappropriate developments to court, Mr Godwell said.

"We will fund any future actions and we will continue to fundraise for it too."

Brisbane City Council said the development application was approved by all councillors except local representative Helen Abrahams, the who was not at the meeting.

The existing Wolloongabba Local Area Plan governing building heights was adopted in 2006, but the plan did not include provisions for increasing population in South-East Queensland.

The Edmonstone Street project was initially approved under a draft "Kurilpa Structure Plan", which is designed to take into account the increasing population.

Under these principles Brisbane City Council has to provide an extra 145,000 homes by 2026.

The unit complex would have provided 193 apartments.

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NIMBYS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!

Losers...

I sincerely hope that the Nimby's loose the war.
The state gov should declare the whole West End precinct along the North stretch of river a ULDA precinct - perfect place for one.

I'm all for character housing and love the retention of pockets and sections within suburbs but the old industrial areas need massive density increases.

damn lesbians.

Could it be that this project was cancelled due to changed economic conditions and the NIMBY's just wasted 5k for no reason whatsoever?

Anyone have any idea what the result would have been if it had gone to court? Easy win for one side? Or hard to call?

F**** Hell, can't these people realise that we need apartments in the inner city, above 10 storeys. They don't understand that by acting against the development, they're pushing forward for more urban sprawl cutting more and more trees down, f***** idiots, hope the fags are happy.

^^ Say it how it is. Don't hold back.

WTF are those nimbys on about?
This area is ripe for these types of complexes- with close PT, and the tank st Bridge not far away to get into the city. Anyway, IIRC according to the Kurilpa Plan there were more of these being built in the area? If they hate this one, I'd hate to think what they'd think about the others...

:(

I can't believe they raised 15k, that. Im sure most charities would have trouble raising that kind of money.

I can't believe they raised 15k, that. Im sure most charities would have trouble raising that kind of money.

No I wouldn't be too suprised, I think there are a fair amount (not heaps though) of wealthy people as well as not so wealthy around parts of West End... but I wonder how many people put in $1 grand, or who put in the most... or better still who put in how much... If say 10,000 people put in $1 each or $10 each maybe someone stuck in a few $100 or so. :lol:

Who ever put in the most is probably the one who neighbours the property and doesn't want to lose their view or what ever... :lol:

damn lesbians.

:lol: ???

^^

West End is the rug muncher hub of Brisbane :)

tis true. annie bligh state member for that area... coincidence... i think not.

they're pushing forward for more urban sprawl cutting more and more trees down.

At least housing keeps some trees and parkland, an industrial estate going in a few k down the road has flattened the entire area, not one tree was kept, not one, its nothing but a haven for trail bike riders at the moment.....

I guess West End is going to develop differently compare to other parts of Brisbane
should I be happy or not?

I guess West End is going to develop differently compare to other parts of Brisbane
should I be happy or not?
Variety is the spice of life - Be happy West End is different.

I don't care if its Lesbians, Greeks, Hippies or whatever other minorities call West End Home its great to see them protect their patch.

I'm all for diversity. Its nice to see South Brisbane going highrise and I don't think West Enders will say anything much about the riverside developing but when it comes to central West End I think its character needs protecting.

Sorry but I always speak my mind - good on em.
J

What character?

Brisbane CBD Local Plan is no in force since January. We now have unlimited height limits in Brisbane!!!!!

Also, a quote from the plan:

"There will be large towers rather than a greater number of smaller towers."





http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:BASE:1750323632:pc=PC_3130 - It is close to the end, page 403.

Brisbane CBD Local Plan is no in force since January. We now have unlimited height limits in Brisbane!!!!!

Also, a quote from the plan:

"There will be large towers rather than a greater number of smaller towers."





http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:BASE:1750323632:pc=PC_3130 - It is close to the end, page 403.

Thats pretty cool news .. now if only someone can afford to build a nice 500m+ building .. hmm time will tell.

Excellent news, if only this was implemented a few years ago.

The Vibrant Laneways Project is now officially undeway at Jacob's Ladder and the TUrbot Street Underpass, with Burnett Lane consultation to begin early March. Excellent project!

http://northside-chronicle.whereilive.com.au/news/story/laneways-project/

Hey what other cities in Aus have unlimited height?

I will say it once more. The City Plan (former City Centre Local Plan) was never the issue...you could always go above 250m. Your DA level of assessment just changed from Code to Impact making it a longer process, public notiification and the potential for third party appeal rights. I should know, using it every day and all.

The new City Centre Neighbourhood Plan (which I helped draft) just removes the building height trigger with respect to DA level of assessment and adds a few supporting statements.

Apart from pure economics of such large projects, the sticking point of BAC/CASA remains for buildings above 250m - I won't bore everyone with the details but it lay terms its to do with safety zones and current flight paths (mainly freight). There has been continued efforts on this issue and some headway but it still remains at this point in time.

There have been only a couple of recent apporvals which reach above this height limit (non habitable structures). Until this is resolved your never going to get anywhere near 300m+ approved above ground level within the CBD.

I don't get the CASA thing, its not like the city is direct straight line off the end off the runway, even the proposed second runway is way off angle (I say way, about 15degrees). Straight line puts you more over Norman Park from memory. And again, I think the climb rate of a failed aircraft is something like 1.3degrees which makes 12km at 1.3 degrees 270m (unless my maths is really bad, which is a reasonable chance).

The Obstacle Limitation Surface is an arbitary ceiling that CASA imposes under its powers granted by Federal Govt Legislation. It is there to ensure that the Airports are free to expand without being impinged upon by new near near-by buildings. The international safety rating of the airport is affected when their are obstructions to the OLS.

The OLS has different RLs throughout Brisbane. At the location of the CBD, it is RL 250m. As you get closer to the airport the OLS closer to the ground.

The OLS is determined from risk studies. It includes analysis of what height a wounded full laden freight plan is likely to climb to after take-off and heading in the direction of the CBD. This is the reason such a low angle of climb is adpoted, and what seems to us to be a low height limit over the city.

Source: http://www.casa.gov.au/aerodromes/rpa/Chap10.pdf

The Vibrant Laneways Project is now officially undeway at Jacob's Ladder and the TUrbot Street Underpass, with Burnett Lane consultation to begin early March. Excellent project!

http://northside-chronicle.whereilive.com.au/news/story/laneways-project/

this is grossly confusing. if by turbot st underpass, they mean roma st under turbot st then work has certainly not started. also, the confusion is added if you consider the QR overpass over turbot st.

i believe the one they refer to is roma st, however i heard that construction started a while ago and nothing has certainly been done. although, jacobs ladder has commenced

Not sure in what thread I should have posted this but have you guys seen this render of a building going up in Jakarta? Nice skyline used as the backdrop...

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5414/scbdlot9pi9.jpg

^haha

i love that skyline
can you tell me which city is that? lol

wtf?!? that's bizarre! Is it me, or is the backdrop on the right side of the building another city all together, too?

^^ Yep... LOL

Could be testing the market for Eagle st Pier tower, LOL..

I can spot Waterfront Place, AMP Place, Comalco, CP1 and Riparian.

Looks like the "Jakarta" precinct in Kangaroo Point.

A guy called scubs on Railpage found this link, it gives you access to a 1946 interactive aerial of all of Brisbane, bit like a google map.



http://pdonline.brisbane.qld.gov.au/MasterView/masterplan/enquirer/default.aspx

Steps to use
1. Click I agree
2. Select Interactive Mapping
3. Turn ON the 1946 Aerial Photography and turn OFF the 2007 Aerial Photography

^^You know what I just noticed is that the aerial mapping images from BCC are exactly the same as the ones on Google Maps (the modern ones obviously). Same cars and same people on the city streets.

A guy called scubs on Railpage found this link, it gives you access to a 1946 interactive aerial of all of Brisbane, bit like a google map.



http://pdonline.brisbane.qld.gov.au/MasterView/masterplan/enquirer/default.aspx

Steps to use
1. Click I agree
2. Select Interactive Mapping
3. Turn ON the 1946 Aerial Photography and turn OFF the 2007 Aerial Photography

Oh god I love it. Thanks!

That's a great find Aussie Bhoy - thanks for sharing.

Wow wow wow! Thanks mate!

They'd be the same maps cause theyre sourced from the same people, open Google Earth and you'll see credits to DigitalGlobe etc...

Yes, was following the trams lines around yesterday on it.

Does anyone know if there will be an updated SEQIPP for 2009?

I can only speculate, however the election would certainly throw a spanner into the works especially if the LNP gained power. Not to mention the GFC and I am sure there would be some projects getting pushed back in timeframe.

There is an article in the Brisbane Times about Brisbane's Underbelly, basically stories, pics and a video of the Valley in the 80's and todays comparison.

Worth checking out
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/stepping-back-into-brisbanes-seedy-underbelly/2009/03/06/1235842612706.html

They are moving north with the Underbelly series, maybe Brisbane might feature in Underbelly 3.

^^^
But Brisbane has a virtually non - existent underworld scene compared to Sydney and especially Melbourne, so IMO that would be pointless

they could do QLD Bogan Belly 3.

:lol:

^^ Way too much material to draw from. Be more specific ;)

^^^
But Brisbane has a virtually non - existent underworld scene compared to Sydney and especially Melbourne, so IMO that would be pointless

Huh - what kind of rose coloured glasses do you view the world through in your part of the world? You reckon we live in fricken alice in wonderland, Pleasantville up here? I mean seriously do you reaaly reckon all the fruit shops with their italian families driving monaros dont have any dody deals going on in those mango cartons?

Everywhere has an underbelly - even Canberra, Even Adeliade, Even Baroken Hill? "Virtually no underbelly"... sheez. Get with the program and take a good hard look at yourself...please...

Oh there is definately an underbelly to Brisbane. Although, the Gold Coast is really where its at for Queensland.

Forget to take your pills this morning, Redress?

Caaallllmmmm dooowwwwnnn.

^
go through his post history, a chill pill isn't going to cut it.

This isn't anything concrete, but a new terminal (Brisbane River terminal will open up Moreton Bay tourism)for Moreton bay bound vessels is being considered.

^^^
But Brisbane has a virtually non - existent underworld scene compared to Sydney and especially Melbourne, so IMO that would be pointless

Ever heard of the Fitzgerald Inquiry?

^
go through his post history, a chill pill isn't going to cut it.

This isn't anything concrete, but a new terminal (http://Brisbane%20River%20terminal%20will%20open%20up%20Moreton%20Bay%20tourism)for Moreton bay bound vessels is being considered.

Dear me Orfeo I'd rather be taking pills for my mental illness, which
I am sadly being treated for (being a schizophrenic, treated on haliperidol, oh yer and effexor for my depression), rather than spending my Saturday night treawling through other persons post history. Sounds like a blast.

Smart guy

Huh - what kind of rose coloured glasses do you view the world through in your part of the world? You reckon we live in fricken alice in wonderland, Pleasantville up here? I mean seriously do you reaaly reckon all the fruit shops with their italian families driving monaros dont have any dody deals going on in those mango cartons?

Everywhere has an underbelly - even Canberra, Even Adeliade, Even Baroken Hill? "Virtually no underbelly"... sheez. Get with the program and take a good hard look at yourself...please...

:ohno:

Clearly you did not read my post properly.

I did say ''compared to Sydney and especially Melbourne''

Underbelly Brisbane wouldn't work IMO.
God, fancy even listing Broken Hill

I am sadly being treated for (being a schizophrenic, treated on haliperidol

yes, that would explain a lot.

^^ Still doesn't excuse it IMO.

Could create a whole new architectural style with those pills.

yes, that would explain a lot.

You are so serious about your little blog site arent you Mr social darwinist Nazi