I don't really think they will compete too much in this case, for example (hypothetically speaking) if Zagreb gets a direct route to New York I doubt Slovenians would use Zagreb instead of Ljubljana to fly to New York, even if they have to transfer.. Venice has a direct connection to New York but you don't see Slovenians flocking to Venice to get a direct flight. I don't really think this idea of national borders will be overcome that quickly and until it is, there really won't be much competition when it comes to flights, well at least regarding the local population. Tourism is another thing, though.

I don't really think they will compete too much in this case, for example (hypothetically speaking) if Zagreb gets a direct route to New York I doubt Slovenians would use Zagreb instead of Ljubljana to fly to New York, even if they have to transfer.. Venice has a direct connection to New York but you don't see Slovenians flocking to Venice to get a direct flight. I don't really think this idea of national borders will be overcome that quickly and until it is, there really won't be much competition when it comes to flights, well at least regarding the local population. Tourism is another thing, though.

It all depends of the price. If ticket from LJ (or other place in Slovenia) to Zagreb + flying from ZG to NYC would cost less than ticket to from LJ to NYC via other cities, I think they will use direct flights from Zagreb. And vice versa, Croatians would do the same thing if LJ gets direct connection to NYC before Zagreb. We are all still waiting for low cost transatlantic flights from this area :D...

Katero regijo imaš ti v mislih? Kajti Slovenija je po praktično vseh merilih (razen bližnje-zgodovinskih) del srednje evrope in ne jugovzhodne.V tem primeru dobiš regijo, ko potegneš nek krog okol Brnika (Pučnika :lol:), in vidiš, kaj vse je not. Če misliš, da je v tej regiji Dunaj (al pa Graz), potem je tudi Zagreb.

Joj a u cemu ce to bilo koji aerodrom biti "regionalni centar"? Slovenija ce ici preko Ljubljana, Hrvatska Zagreba i Srbija preko Beograda i to ti je to. Ne trbaju nam neki regionalni centri. Moze to da bude jedino stvar prestiza ko je moderniji veci pokriveniji ili sta ga ja znam

btw, kad neki let nije pokriven iz Beograda, ja idem za Budimpestu :D

I must comment here, Neither airports are strong enough to become some sort of regional hubs, even Vienna is not region hub, main Hubs are,

Rome,
Milan,
Paris (both airports)
Madrid
London (all 3 airports)
Frankfurt
Amsterdam

Air Traffic is no longer regional, it will never be regional again, industry is changing as we speak, new rules of the game.

Small Airports like Ljubljana, Zagreb Sarajevo ...
need to play according to these rules to attract more traffic, thus far Zagreb is best at getting big numbers, despite Ljubljana getting new terminal, of all ex-YU states, Croatia has best perspectives, and Zagreb airport best potential as Airport with significant growth.

Zagreb airport is a min airport in Croatia, country with strong tourism orientation, once country develops better strategy, marketing and tourism strategy, every single airport in Croatia will boom in passenger numbers.

this is what I think passenger figures ---

Zagreb will reach 5 million pax by 2015, 8 million by 2020, 20 million by 2030.
Ljubljana, - 3 million by 2015, 5.5 million by 2020, 12 million by 2030.
Belgrade - 6.5 million by 2015, 9.2 million by 2020, 16 million by 2030.
Sarajevo - 2 million by 2015, 3 million by 2020, 5 million by 2030.

Split - 3 million by 2015, 5.5 million by 2020, 10 million by 2030,
Dubrovnik - 3 million by 2015, 5,5 million by 2020, 10 million by 2030
Pula, - 2 million by 2015, 4 million by 2020, 5.5 million by 2030,

Zadar and Rijeka will also develop along the Split and Dubrovnik.
In Slovenia Maribor might become budget anilines hub for local region, in Bosnia Mostar might have similar future, but other than that I see no major hubs.

Tourism, Trade, Buisness, Development and other issues will dictate future growth of regional airports. I am afraid no regional hubs.

For ppl who travel to Say US, or Ozz, they often fly with Lufthansa, BA, Air France and KLM, this won't change.

just my two cents...

Sofia airport ce nas sve pregaziti pa vi pricajte dalje... :)

Zagreb will reach 5 million pax by 2015, 8 million by 2020, 20 million by 2030.
Ljubljana, - 3 million by 2015, 5.5 million by 2020, 12 million by 2030.
Belgrade - 6.5 million by 2015, 9.2 million by 2020, 16 million by 2030.
Sarajevo - 2 million by 2015, 3 million by 2020, 5 million by 2030.

Split - 3 million by 2015, 5.5 million by 2020, 10 million by 2030,
Dubrovnik - 3 million by 2015, 5,5 million by 2020, 10 million by 2030
Pula, - 2 million by 2015, 4 million by 2020, 5.5 million by 2030,


According to this, Heathrow would reach 2 billion by 2030... I'm just saying, that those numbers are ridiculously high. Airline industry is currently growing fast, but it's expected that by 2010 the growth will stop and the same will probably happen in our region. More realistic numbers:

Zagreb - 3 million by 2015, 5 million by 2020, 5.5 million by 2030.
Ljubljana, - 2.3 million by 2015, 3.5 million by 2020, 4.5 million by 2030.

Can't say for others cuz I don't know the situation there...

You people are dreaming a bit too much.... :ohno:

According to this, Heathrow would reach 2 billion by 2030... I'm just saying, that those numbers are ridiculously high. Airline industry is currently growing fast, but it's expected that by 2010 the growth will stop and the same will probably happen in our region. More realistic numbers:

Zagreb - 3 million by 2015, 5 million by 2020, 5.5 million by 2030.
Ljubljana, - 2.3 million by 2015, 3.5 million by 2020, 4.5 million by 2030.

Can't say for others cuz I don't know the situation there...

You people are dreaming a bit too much.... :ohno:

Now you are taking a piss man.

It is ridiculous, totally.

As to growth stooping, you know something we don't ...

Perhaps Marsians plan conquest of Earth or something.

Zagreb and most other airports in the region are at such a low point that growth will continue at quite considerable rate for quite some time.

This is a Fact, not some wild dream.

5.5 million by 2030, are you on some depression pills or something...

There is no stooping something that is growing at very steady rate, unless you start major global war and there is no likelihood of that.

My figures are steady growth, we'll see in 23 years time who was right and who was wrong.

I'm keepin' my money on Mic....beacuse every one of he's predictions were right. :cheers1:

Mic, cut it out with the insults.

Mic, cut it out with the insults.

Cut him some slack.

He's girlfriend just left him. :D

Za moj pojam bi bilo najbolje sagraditi Transrapid Zagreb airport - Zagreb - Ljubljana - Ljubljana airport.. spojiti dvije zracne luke u kooperaciji da ih ne progutaju veliki poput Beckog aerodroma i to bi bilo to :)

http://www.konfuzius-reisen.de/images/foto-china/transrapid.jpg

^^
Hehe, i meni je palo na pamet da ta dva aerodroma mogu biti kompatibilna i nadopunjavati se. Ipak su udaljeni samo 150-ak kilometara...

:)

Now you are taking a piss man.

It is ridiculous, totally.

As to growth stooping, you know something we don't ...

Perhaps Marsians plan conquest of Earth or something.

Zagreb and most other airports in the region are at such a low point that growth will continue at quite considerable rate for quite some time.

This is a Fact, not some wild dream.

5.5 million by 2030, are you on some depression pills or something...

There is no stooping something that is growing at very steady rate, unless you start major global war and there is no likelihood of that.

My figures are steady growth, we'll see in 23 years time who was right and who was wrong.

My predictions are based on official estimates.

Zagreb airport is expected to grow by 60-70% by 2015. See here: http://www.nacional.hr/articles/view/20284/18/
Quote:...Predictions to 2015 say that Croatian air transport will increase by 60-70%...

I'll do the math: 1.700.000 * 1,7 = 2.890.000
Let's say 3 million to feel better. That is for 2015.

For Ljubljana see here: http://www.lju.aero/eng/vsebina.asp?IDM=155
They expect exactly 2.18 million passengers in 2015. But the official estimates are ussualy a bit low, so I'd make that 2,3 million.

After 2015, the price of the fuel jumps in. The jet-fuel prices are expected to tripple(!) by 2050. Do you think that that really won't have any effect on airline industry?

I'm sorry, I'd like to believe that you are right, but the facts are against your predictions. But still - surprise may happen... :cheers:

I can see that all of you are very optimistic here. Well, I think it's great, cuz on every other site I've been, the pesimism rulz. :ohno: I am known to be realistic and let's hope we'll still get along nicely. :banana:

My predictions are based on official estimates.

Zagreb airport is expected to grow by 60-70% by 2015. See here: http://www.nacional.hr/articles/view/20284/18/
Quote:...Predictions to 2015 say that Croatian air transport will increase by 60-70%...

I'll do the math: 1.700.000 * 1,7 = 2.890.000
Let's say 3 million to feel better. That is for 2015.

For Ljubljana see here: http://www.lju.aero/eng/vsebina.asp?IDM=155
They expect exactly 2.18 million passengers in 2015. But the official estimates are ussualy a bit low, so I'd make that 2,3 million.

After 2015, the price of the fuel jumps in. The jet-fuel prices are expected to tripple(!) by 2050. Do you think that that really won't have any effect on airline industry?

I'm sorry, I'd like to believe that you are right, but the facts are against your predictions. But still - surprise may happen... :cheers:

I can see that all of you are very optimistic here. Well, I think it's great, cuz on every other site I've been, the pesimism rulz. :ohno: I am known to be realistic and let's hope we'll still get along nicely. :banana:

LOOL

U are using some tabloid newspapers to predict traffic figures, can you imagine PM each morning coming to his office, what should be our economic policy for next 4 years, oh hang on, lets check SUN first, what they say.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

NO, I do not agree with them, I can see how things are going now and I can see how things will develop in future.

True oil prices will go up, they always do, but so do pays and other costs therefore the cost of flying will be almost the same as it is today.

Zagreb Airport will continue to grow at 10-15% annually over next 3-5 years, and this rate might fall slightly to 8-10% growth per year thereafter.

But overall growth will continue despite oil prices going up.

And I am certain of that. After all Croatia is a tourist nation, the number of visitors will only increase, Zagreb will as a consequence benefit from this growth.

I can't say with 100% accuracy for ljubljana Airport as I never paid to much attention to Slovenia and other ex-YU states.

From what I see, Ljubljana is growing at 120-150 000 passengers per year, and by 2010 Ljubljana should hit...

2007 - 1.45 million
2008 - 1.6 million
2009 - 1.8 million
2010 - 2 million

2015 - Using 200 000 growth = 3 million passengers,
2020 - Using 200 000 --- = 4 million
2030 - Using same --- = 6 million

and this is very pessimistic estimate.

So your 2.3 or official estimate of 2.1 million is kind of old. :)

2.18 million for 2015 is official estimate made by Ljubljana airport management.

But I see it is pointless to argue any further. I just want to warn you, that you might be disappointed somewhere in the future. It is better to keep your expectations low and than be surprised how well things are unfolding, than to be disappointed... :ohno:

Koliko aviona stane u Sloveniju?

Guys, neither of the airports in ex yu are hubs for the region, nor will they become hubs because none of the airports in the region can compete with Vienna, Im pretty sure they will handle most of our inter-continental traffic for decades to come...

Koliko aviona stane u Sloveniju?

jooooj,mi smo baš ti koji se nekom zbog veličine možemo rugat :ohno: :ohno:

DA

Neke se zemlje konstantno smanjuju:)

I must comment here, Neither airports are strong enough to become some sort of regional hubs, even Vienna is not region hub, main Hubs are,

Rome,
Milan,
Paris (both airports)
Madrid
London (all 3 airports)
Frankfurt
Amsterdam


I would also add Munich and Barcelona to be fair ;)

Koliko aviona stane u Sloveniju?

I've already said this and I suppose that i shall be saying it again. How can you persist on making fun of Slovenia's size when your own country is just as small compared to the majority of countries? It's complete nonsense. :bash:

:lol:

Pervan bi rekao; otvoriš kišobran u Mariboru i izbiješ oko nekome u Ljubljani.:lol:

I would also add Munich and Barcelona to be fair ;)

They are large airports but not hubs, unless Lufthansa went with the plan for Munich Hub. Not sure.

I know Arlanda, Copenhagen and Oslo are also considered SAS Hubs, but they are not very developed hubs, all 3 airports are sub standard to be Hubs they are major airports, but to few international airlines use them to be considered real hubs.

Hubs are considered airports with over 30 million pax or approaching 30 million pax, and with at least one major airline using airport as a national, international hub for all its operations.

Vienna is a small airport in skims of things, Vienna is expanding true, but it will never be a major airport in European scopes.

Munich is steeling all major airlines from Vienna and even Prague is challenging Vienna.

Pervan bi rekao; otvoriš kišobran u Mariboru i izbiješ oko nekome u Ljubljani.:lol:

I like Večernja škola:lol: :lol: Pervan rocks:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Someone in Australia, USA, etc, without any personal links to to the region is far more likely to hop on a plane and fly direct to either Ljubljana or Zagreb if it were on offer because both cities are well known for their tourism and certainly their gateway to all the other things on offer in their respective countries.

No-one in their right mind without any links to the region is going to hop on a plane and travel something like 20+ hours to arrive in Belgrade.

The thing is Croatia and Slovenia are always mentioned on TV travel shows or in the newspapers here in Australia, therefore they have high exposure as tourism destinations, hence there is good potential for them in the near future to gain direct cross oceanic flights. Serbia on the other hand has never once in my life been shown as a tourism destination. Serbia offers very little that is unique which would make people travel across the globe for a visit.

I believe Zagreb has the greatest potenial of all becuase it already acts as a hub to the other Croatian airports such as Dubrovnik, Split, Pula, Rijeka, Zadar, etc.

Where do you possibly go beyond Belgrade if you happen to land there?

Someone in Australia, USA, etc, without any personal links to to the region is far more likely to hop on a plane and fly direct to either Ljubljana or Zagreb if it were on offer because both cities are well known for their tourism and certainly their gateway to all the other things on offer in their respective countries.

No-one in their right mind without any links to the region is going to hop on a plane and travel something like 20+ hours to arrive in Belgrade.

The thing is Croatia and Slovenia are always mentioned on TV travel shows or in the newspapers here in Australia, therefore they have high exposure as tourism destinations, hence there is good potential for them in the near future to gain direct cross oceanic flights. Serbia on the other hand has never once in my life been shown as a tourism destination. Serbia offers very little that is unique which would make people travel across the globe for a visit.

I believe Zagreb has the greatest potenial of all becuase it already acts as a hub to the other Croatian airports such as Dubrovnik, Split, Pula, Rijeka, Zadar, etc.

Where do you possibly go beyond Belgrade if you happen to land there?
^^Yes it's nonsensical to fly to such a treacherous place like Belgrade. Seriously, SinCity grown up! If you have nothing nice to say about Serbia or Serbs then just don't say anything at all.:ohno:

^^Yes it's nonsensical to fly to such a treacherous place like Belgrade. Seriously, SinCity grown up! If you have nothing nice to say about Serbia or Serbs then just don't say anything at all.:ohno:

What I said makes sense and was in no way derrogatory of either Belgrade or Serbia. No need to get so defensive about it. :ohno:

There is nothing unique about Serbia that a non-Serbian would fly all the way across the world and pay a huge amount of airfare. Sorry, but thats the reality of it.

Belgrade offers something, but the rest of Serbia has countryside that is no different to most places around the world. Serbia also isn't known around the world as a major tourism destination.

Serbia is not Croatia. Thats why Zagreb airport has numerous advantages over Belgrade.

What I said makes sense and was in no way derrogatory of either Belgrade or Serbia. No need to get so defensive about it. :ohno:

There is nothing unique about Serbia that a non-Serbian would fly all the way across the world and pay a huge amount of airfare. Sorry, but thats the reality of it.

Belgrade offers something, but the rest of Serbia has countryside that is no different to most places around the world. Serbia also isn't known around the world as a major tourism destination.

Serbia is not Croatia. Thats why Zagreb airport has numerous advantages over Belgrade.
That's not the point that Croatia is more touristy, it's your ignorance and hatred that is so irritating. You've probably never been to Belgrade so you can't really judge the place. As a matter of fact Belgrade is slowly, but surely becoming an interesting place for tourists to visit.

That's not the point that Croatia is more touristy, it's your ignorance and hatred that is so irritating. You've probably never been to Belgrade so you can't really judge the place. As a matter of fact Belgrade is slowly, but surely becoming an interesting place for tourists to visit.

Honestly, go and take your baggage elsewhere because you are boring with your personal attacks on me. I have stated my opinion so get over it. Not my problem you cant deal with reality. :|

Croatia is a major tourism destination (10 million visitors per annum) and Zagreb is Croatia's hub towards a number of airports on the coast. Where do people go once they land in Belgrade? Like I said, Serbia is no Croatia when it comes to the wider tourism market and that I believe this is the major difference that will impact as to which airport will be the more important one in the near future. End of debate.

:cheer: Go SinCity, go!

Can you please stop arguing?

After reading some of the comments here, I would prefer visiting Serbia to Croatia...

What I said makes sense and was in no way derrogatory of either Belgrade or Serbia. No need to get so defensive about it. :ohno:

There is nothing unique about Serbia that a non-Serbian would fly all the way across the world and pay a huge amount of airfare. Sorry, but thats the reality of it.

Belgrade offers something, but the rest of Serbia has countryside that is no different to most places around the world. Serbia also isn't known around the world as a major tourism destination.

Serbia is not Croatia. Thats why Zagreb airport has numerous advantages over Belgrade.

This post is very offensive. You cant just say that one country is "beautiful" and another "ugly", not worth visiting.
Croatia has sea , and Serbia has Belgrade and Novi sad. And we all know that Zagreb cannot compare to Belgrade.

This post is very offensive. You cant just say that one country is "beautiful" and another "ugly", not worth visiting.
Croatia has sea , and Serbia has Belgrade and Novi sad. And we all know that Zagreb cannot compare to Belgrade.

True. Zagreb is much more beautiful :D

Btw, a moth ago I flew to London from ZG and the plane was full of Slovene scouts.

Seriously, guys, lets get back to the topic, bratstvo (without jedinstvo) is possible :D

True. Zagreb is much more beautiful :D

Btw, a moth ago I flew to London from ZG and the plane was full of Slovene scouts.

Seriously, guys, lets get back to the topic, bratstvo (without jedinstvo) is possible :D



You have coast, they have Belgrade :)

See, that is why it doesnt matter where airport is:lol: There is no problem to drive 30min-2h to airport:) PRICES are the most important factor:)

MARIBOR will PREVAIL :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1:

^^ :lol:

And we all know that Zagreb cannot compare to Belgrade.

Obožavam Slovence. :)

You have coast, they have Belgrade :)

See, that is why it doesnt matter where airport is:lol: There is no problem to drive 30min-2h to airport:) PRICES are the most important factor:)

MARIBOR will PREVAIL :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1:

Bitno je.
1. srbija nema velika turistička odredišta kao što ima Hrvatska, niti približan broj turista.
2. Turisti ne žele bespotrebno prelazit granicu ako ne moraju. Pogotovo granicu Hrvatska - srbija
3. A ni beograd nije grad kao np. Pariz, Berlin ili koji god već pa da će se samo radi njega uvodit transkontinentalni letovi:hahaha:

well, if Aeroflot acquires JAT, Belgrade is likely to become a regional hub for Sky Team alliance, that might indeed give it the upper hand when competing against either Ljubljana or Zagreb

Koliko aviona stane u Sloveniju?

Ako misliš na veličinu stajanke u Ljubljani...mislim da se radi o oko 15-18 aviona.
Nek me neko ispravi. :)

Btw. ne se rugat! :tongue: :D :D

well, if Aeroflot acquires JAT, Belgrade is likely to become a regional hub for Sky Team alliance, that might indeed give it the upper hand when competing against either Ljubljana or Zagreb

Acqiring JAT by anyone is irrelevant for air traffic at Bellgrade airport. The only one for whom this is important at this point is JAT, because it's going down at very fast pace...:nuts:

Obožavam Slovence. :)

And they adore you, as it's seen here.

e a koji sad od ovih "nasih" aerodroma ima najveci broj putnika?
Vjerovatno to negdje ovdje pise,al nemam sad vremena trazit

Bitno je.
1. srbija nema velika turistička odredišta kao što ima Hrvatska, niti približan broj turista.
2. Turisti ne žele bespotrebno prelazit granicu ako ne moraju. Pogotovo granicu Hrvatska - srbija
3. A ni beograd nije grad kao np. Pariz, Berlin ili koji god već pa da će se samo radi njega uvodit transkontinentalni letovi:hahaha:

Ali da budemo iskreni (i nemislim nista u losem smislu), Hrvatsko primorje je veoma dobro obsluzeno Dubrovackim, Splitskim i drugim primorskim aerodromima. Nevidim zasto bi iko morao da ide preko Zagreba da bi dosao na Hrvatsko primorje. I to je mislim najveci nedostatak Zagreba - aerodromi u zemlji ga kolju.

I to je mislim najveci nedostatak Zagreba - aerodromi u zemlji ga kolju.

To je istina.
Koliki bi bio ukupni broj putnika kada bi zbrojili Zagreb, Dubrovnik, Split, Zadar, Rijeku i Pulu?

^^
Netko je vec spomenuo ovdje tu brojku, oko 5 milijuna putnika, ali nemojte me uzet za rijec. Mate ce najbolje znati.

Ali da budemo iskreni (i nemislim nista u losem smislu), Hrvatsko primorje je veoma dobro obsluzeno Dubrovackim, Splitskim i drugim primorskim aerodromima. Nevidim zasto bi iko morao da ide preko Zagreba da bi dosao na Hrvatsko primorje. I to je mislim najveci nedostatak Zagreba - aerodromi u zemlji ga kolju.

To je istina, ali jos uvijek ima turista koji dolaze preko Zagreba. Doduse, puno manje nego prije 5, 6 godina, jer Split, Dubrovnik, i jos neki aerodromi dobili su izravne letove za mnoge europske destinacije. No, i dalje ostaje problem jadranskih aerodroma koji su uglavnom sezonski i u zimi zjape poluprazni, dok Zagreb ima manje vise ujednacen promet tijekom cijele godine. Dakle, treba produziti sezonu na Jadranu. A i ne mislim da ce biti prava konkurencija Zagrebu, odnosno, drukciji profil putnika ce slijetati u jadranske zracne lule, kao sto je i danas slucaj. Tako da mislim da ce Zagreb ostati vodeci u Hrvatskoj, ali svakako ce se jos vise povecati vaznost nekih jadranski aerodroma (prvenstvano Splita i Dubrovnika, koji ce mozda biti i neke vrste hubova za obliznju BiH, i mozda Crnu Goru).

That's exactly why I don't have a clue, which airport will prevail - there are also Split, Dubrovnik etc. But I still think it could be Zagreb. Depends, of course, which exactly region you're having in mind (like excluding Vienna, Budapest etc.).

:cheer: :D

well, if Aeroflot acquires JAT, Belgrade is likely to become a regional hub for Sky Team alliance, that might indeed give it the upper hand when competing against either Ljubljana or Zagreb

Croatia Airlines is already part of Star Alliance, this does not mean it is regional anything, lol.

If CA has better strategy than some imbeciles at the helm of the airline CA would now be a major airline with 20+ aircraft.

In 1997 when CA was talking expansion, plan was to have 25 aircraft in CA fleet,

10 A320, 10 A319 and 5ATR 42 for regional and domestic needs.

But than incompetent nincompoops at the helm of CA got too greedy and corrupt and destroyed what should have been a great airlines.

If CA had some clever ppl at its helm, CA would by far be the best airline in these parts. But than I can go on If this and If that, reality is different...

Still, CA is growing even though at very slow pace and consequently other airlines are taking major stake of Croatian Air market.

This year Air traffic figures should end with nice figures.

Zagreb - 2million
Split - 1.2 million
Dubrovnik - 1.2 million
Pula - 520 000
Rijeka - 320 000
Zadar - 120 000

Not bad result for rather bad infrastructure at most of Croatia's airports.

Dubrovnik and Split are expanding major way, new terminals are going up at both airports and Zagreb is also getting the new terminal soon.

By 2012 Croatia should end up with 3 very decent airports, something country can be proud with.

Pula, Zadar, and Rijeka going to expand and improve as well, Zagreb is Croatia's hub, and this is all what Zagreb needs to be, it is irrelevant what others think.

Zagreb's passenger figures can only go higher and higher as I said earlier more effective and properly executed marketing strategy can do world's of good for Zagreb Airport. :) :cheers:

^^ baš je dobro to kaj ima konkurencije u broju putnika,a ne da dominira jedna zračna luka

Pa naravno da je!

Ja ne mogu virovat da Srbija, sa 10 milijuna ljudi ima samo dva normalna aerodorma...Beograd i Prištinu (s tim da će Priština propast, čim vojska prestane koristit njene kapacitete). :ohno:

u biti to je bil moj komenar kad je gore netko napisal da ga druge zračne luke kolju ^^ ,ko da je to nekaj loše kaj postoji konkurencija unutar države

A ono...loše je za Zagreb...al ne i za Hrvatsku. :)

Ma...ne vidim razlog zašto bi neko letija u Zagreb, pa onda vozija do Splita...umjesto da leti u Split.
Nismo baš TAKO mala zemlja... :lol:

Pristina propast?! Ne bu islo.

Kosovo ima ogromnu dijasporu, a Pristini gravitira i sjeverni dio Albanije te sigurno odredjeni dijelovi Makedonije i Srbije (pogotovo s obzirom da aerodrom u Nisu prakticki ne postoji). U Pristinu vec leti nekoliko talijanskih aviokompanija, zatim Germanwings (sa tri linije; za Beograd ima tek dvije, za Ljubljanu ni jednu, a za Zagreb pet), a cini mi se i neki Svicarci.

Ne znam sta je bilo s onom pricom o uspostavi direktnog leta izmedju Pristine i New Yorka. Ne bi me cudilo da je propalo, ali isto tako me ne bi cudilo da Kosovo bude prva drzava (disputed territory?) u regiji koja ima izravan let za SAD.

Uglavnom, Italija, Njemačka, Švicarska, Austrija i istočna obala SAD-a - u tim krajevima zivi velik broj ljudi s Kosova i nema sumnje da ce Pristina biti s njima povezana. A tome naravno treba pridodati tko zna koliko pripadnika medjunarodne zajednice i raznih organizacija koje putuju tamo, a koji ce ostati na Kosovu sigurno jos narednih pet ljeta.

Priština već neko vrijeme ima uspješne letove za JFK. :nuts:

A ono...loše je za Zagreb...al ne i za Hrvatsku. :)

u konačnici je ovo drugo ipak puno bitnije :)

Naravno!

Nema većeg gušta liti doć do Resnika i gledat avione....kako jedan za drugim poljeću i sljeću....cili dan...bez prestanka....u kolonama! :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

A ono...loše je za Zagreb...al ne i za Hrvatsku. :)

Ma...ne vidim razlog zašto bi neko letija u Zagreb, pa onda vozija do Splita...umjesto da leti u Split.
Nismo baš TAKO mala zemlja... :lol:

Ne, tu se nije mislilo na to da se vozi od Zagreba do Splita autocestom, nego da u Zagrebu presjedne na avion za Split. Ili Dubrovnik. A toga ima jos uvijek.

Ima toga zimi...ali ljeti Split ima DUPLO više destinacija (i kompanija) od Zagreba!
Leti se u gradove za koje ja nisan zna ni da postoje... :lol:

A sto se tice "svetog trojstva" LJU, BEG ili ZAG, odnosno toga tko ce imati najvise putnika, moje razmisljanje ide u ovom pravcu.

Nema sumnje da ce Hrvatska ukupno imati vise putnika nego li druge dvije zemlje. Tako je danas, a ta ce se razlika vjerojatno jos vise produbiti i to ponajprije imamo zahvaliti tome sto je HR vece turististicko trziste, nego li su to Slovenija i Srbija. I stvarno je super stvar sto postoji odredjena disperzija putnika u HR. Ne more sve kroz ZG!

U pogledu Ljubljane, bojim se da je ona van igre. Naravno, kao sto je vec receno, Zagreb i Ljubljana se mogu fino nadopunjavati, ako postoji let za neke destinacije s jedne, a ne i s druge zracne luke ili u slucaju cjenovnih razlika. Ali to su vise iznimne situacije. Vecina putnika ce u najvecem broju slucajeva ici na vlastiti maticni aerodrom.Ljubljani takvu vrstu konkurencije jos mogu ciniti i cine Graz i Venecija. Prednost Ljubljane je veca kupovna moc Slovenaca (u usporedbi sa HR i Srbijom), ali problem Ljubljane je sto cijela zemlja ima 2 milijuna ljudi i sto nije turisticka zemlja u onoj mjeri u kojoj je to HR ili neke druge Sloveniji susjedne zemlje. U skorijoj buducnosti mogao bi postojati jos jedan faktor ogranicenja velikog rasta broja putnika za Ljubljanu (ali i za Zagreb, iako u manjoj mjeri), pod uvjetom da Maribor postane low-cost centar za ovaj dio Europe. I to bi mi bilo vrlo drago. Samo da se jos Maribor malo bolje poveze sa Zagrebom u smislu javnog transporta (autobus, zeljeznica). MBX bi mogao za Zagreb i Ljubljanu biti kao Hahn za Frankfurt, kao Girona za Barcu.

Zagrebu ipak gravitira nesto vise ljudi nego li Ljubljani, ali je BDP i kupovna moc hrvatskih gradjana slabija. Ali prednost Zagreba je sto u njega slijece i velik broj hrvatskih emigranata iz Evrope (Njemacka i Skandinavija na prvom mjestu), kao i velik broj turista. Broj turista koji posjecuju Zagreb je u velikom usponu (iako neusporedivo manji u odnosu na Dalmaciju, Istru ili Kvarner), ali kroz Zagreb prolaze i brojni turisti koji naprosto nisu u mogucnosti sletjeti na jedan od "turistickih aerodroma". A i u slucaju uvodjenja transkontinentalnih letova, oni ce svi polaziti iz Zagreba tako da bi ZAG i na tome mogao profitirati. Well, ista stvar bi se desila i da se uvedu takvi letovi za Ljubljanu i Beograd.

Glavno suparnistvo, u smislu broja putnika (pustimo sada po strani dnevno-politicka prepucavanja), bi moglo biti izmedju Zagreba i Beograda. Beograd ce sigurno, ne podje li politicka situacija u krivom smjeru, u narednih pet godina imati izniman rast broj putnika. Rast ce biti potaknut visokim stopama gospodarskog rasta i intenziviranjem medjunarodne razmjene (dakle business putnici), rastom kupovne moci srbijanskih gradjana te ukidanjem administrativnih prepreka za putovanje u EU (vize). Nakon tog perioda velikog rasta, vjerojatno ce uslijedit vrijeme umjerenijeg povecanja broja putnika. Beogradova velika prednost je sto je fakticki jedini aerodrom u zemlji od 6 milijuna ljudi (Kosovo i pristinski aerodrom nisam racunao. Mislim da je jedini let iz Nisa onaj prema Istanbulu, cini mi se Pegasus). Nadalje, Srbija takodjer ima velik broj emigranata, ali i znatno manji broj turista od HR. Takodjer, dvostruko manje prihode.

Vidjet cemo sta ce na kraju biti... Ali pogresno je ovu ujednacenost izmedju broja putnika Zagreba i Beograda smatrati suparnistvom. Radi se o drugacijoj strukturi putnika i za razliku od Ljubljane i Zagreba, Zagreb i Begorad tesko da se mogu nadopunjivati. Mozda ce i odredjeni broj putnika iz istocne HR skoknuti do Beograda na avion, ali voziti se sest sati u vlaku iz Zagreba da bi se ukrcao na avion u Beograd (ili obratno), to je vec hard core. Takvih putnika je stvarno malo i zanemariva su brojka, a i cijene bi morale biti stvarno poprilicno razlicite da se tako nesto desi.

Zalosno je sto u toj utrci u broju putnika nije i Butmir, ali znamo svi kakva je situacija u BiH. Jebiga.

A sto se tice "svetog trojstva" LJU, BEG ili ZAG, odnosno toga tko ce imati najvise putnika, moje razmisljanje ide u ovom pravcu.

Nema sumnje da ce Hrvatska ukupno imati vise putnika nego li druge dvije zemlje. Tako je danas, a ta ce se razlika vjerojatno jos vise produbiti i to ponajprije imamo zahvaliti tome sto je HR vece turististicko trziste, nego li su to Slovenija i Srbija. I stvarno je super stvar sto postoji odredjena disperzija putnika u HR. Ne more sve kroz ZG!

U pogledu Ljubljane, bojim se da je ona van igre. Naravno, kao sto je vec receno, Zagreb i Ljubljana se mogu fino nadopunjavati, ako postoji let za neke destinacije s jedne, a ne i s druge zracne luke ili u slucaju cjenovnih razlika. Ali to su vise iznimne situacije. Vecina putnika ce u najvecem broju slucajeva ici na vlastiti maticni aerodrom.Ljubljani takvu vrstu konkurencije jos mogu ciniti i cine Graz i Venecija. Prednost Ljubljane je veca kupovna moc Slovenaca (u usporedbi sa HR i Srbijom), ali problem Ljubljane je sto cijela zemlja ima 2 milijuna ljudi i sto nije turisticka zemlja u onoj mjeri u kojoj je to HR ili neke druge Sloveniji susjedne zemlje. U skorijoj buducnosti mogao bi postojati jos jedan faktor ogranicenja velikog rasta broja putnika za Ljubljanu (ali i za Zagreb, iako u manjoj mjeri), pod uvjetom da Maribor postane low-cost centar za ovaj dio Europe. I to bi mi bilo vrlo drago. Samo da se jos Maribor malo bolje poveze sa Zagrebom u smislu javnog transporta (autobus, zeljeznica). MBX bi mogao za Zagreb i Ljubljanu biti kao Hahn za Frankfurt, kao Girona za Barcu.

Zagrebu ipak gravitira nesto vise ljudi nego li Ljubljani, ali je BDP i kupovna moc hrvatskih gradjana slabija. Ali prednost Zagreba je sto u njega slijece i velik broj hrvatskih emigranata iz Evrope (Njemacka i Skandinavija na prvom mjestu), kao i velik broj turista. Broj turista koji posjecuju Zagreb je u velikom usponu (iako neusporedivo manji u odnosu na Dalmaciju, Istru ili Kvarner), ali kroz Zagreb prolaze i brojni turisti koji naprosto nisu u mogucnosti sletjeti na jedan od "turistickih aerodroma". A i u slucaju uvodjenja transkontinentalnih letova, oni ce svi polaziti iz Zagreba tako da bi ZAG i na tome mogao profitirati. Well, ista stvar bi se desila i da se uvedu takvi letovi za Ljubljanu i Beograd.

Glavno suparnistvo, u smislu broja putnika (pustimo sada po strani dnevno-politicka prepucavanja), bi moglo biti izmedju Zagreba i Beograda. Beograd ce sigurno, ne podje li politicka situacija u krivom smjeru, u narednih pet godina imati izniman rast broj putnika. Rast ce biti potaknut visokim stopama gospodarskog rasta i intenziviranjem medjunarodne razmjene (dakle business putnici), rastom kupovne moci srbijanskih gradjana te ukidanjem administrativnih prepreka za putovanje u EU (vize). Nakon tog perioda velikog rasta, vjerojatno ce uslijedit vrijeme umjerenijeg povecanja broja putnika. Beogradova velika prednost je sto je fakticki jedini aerodrom u zemlji od 6 milijuna ljudi (Kosovo i pristinski aerodrom nisam racunao. Mislim da je jedini let iz Nisa onaj prema Istanbulu, cini mi se Pegasus). Nadalje, Srbija takodjer ima velik broj emigranata, ali i znatno manji broj turista od HR. Takodjer, dvostruko manje prihode.

Vidjet cemo sta ce na kraju biti... Ali pogresno je ovu ujednacenost izmedju broja putnika Zagreba i Beograda smatrati suparnistvom. Radi se o drugacijoj strukturi putnika i za razliku od Ljubljane i Zagreba, Zagreb i Begorad tesko da se mogu nadopunjivati. Mozda ce i odredjeni broj putnika iz istocne HR skoknuti do Beograda na avion, ali voziti se sest sati u vlaku iz Zagreba da bi se ukrcao na avion u Beograd (ili obratno), to je vec hard core. Takvih putnika je stvarno malo i zanemariva su brojka, a i cijene bi morale biti stvarno poprilicno razlicite da se tako nesto desi.

Zalosno je sto u toj utrci u broju putnika nije i Butmir, ali znamo svi kakva je situacija u BiH. Jebiga.

^^ samo da ispravim srbija bez kosova ima skoro 8 miliona ljudi i preko toga ako se racunaju izbegla lica, bez drzavljanstva..
kad god ja letim za bg avion je uvek pun ljudi iz sarajeva i skoplja koji presedaju u bg i lete dalje za sarajevo i skoplje koji nisu povezani sa mogim evropskim destinacijama direktnim letovima, u buducnosti samo treba pokriti jos neke destinacije i privuci putnike iz makedonije, i bosne itd. eventualnoo jos neke od okolnih zemalja
pristina ima veliki broj putnika zbog velike dijaspore, price o 2 miliona albanaca na kosovu u stvari znace milion na kosovu a milion i preko toga u nemackoj, svici itd.

kad god ja letim za bg avion je uvek pun ljudi iz sarajeva i skoplja koji presedaju u bg i lete dalje za sarajevo i skoplje koji nisu povezani sa mogim evropskim destinacijama direktnim letovima,

Same for Zagreb. Bosnians and Macedonians also use it as a hub to Europe.

They probably also use Vienna, Budapest, Istanbul and other airports in the region. But this practice is probably going to cease in the years to come. At least up to certain extent, because both Sarajevo and Skopje are inevitably going to get more direct flights. And direct flights always save time and money.

ZG i BG se trebaju prvo povezati, jer ko če u ZG i obrnuto pa onda još par sata autom simo tamo. Izmedju ZG i LJ je dobar sat autom pa to nije problem. U tom momentu samo LJ in BG imaju direktnu liniju skoro sa svim aerodromima u regiji. A tu je i drugi problem na koga još niko nije pomislijo - kad si u LJ već si u schengen zoni, pa zato barem u EU nema više frke sa dokumentima. I zato je LJ kao početna tačka barem što se tiče ZG još nekoliko vremena zanimljiva za avio kampanije koje lete po Europi. U proljeće 2008 otvaraja se linije za Oslo, Stocholm, Atene i Lisbonu pa će tako LJ još ojačati svoj položaj u regiji.

beograd nema ništa što zg i lj također nemaju, a s obzirom na političku situaciju u srbiji ima još manje od njih. igore, umjesto demagogije daj argumente, jer sam se ovakvih argumenata naslušao dozlaboga.

pa brate ako sam ne vidis nemam sta oci da ti otvaram... moji argumenti su dati u dve reci, a sve ce se pokazati jednog dana... argumenti kakve ti trazis su zanimacija za zene koje gledaju spanske serije...

Koliko je meni poznato TAP leti iz Lisabona za Zagreb, Croatia Airlines iz Stockholma, Norwegian iz Osla (i drugih gradova) za Dubrovnik, Pulu i Split i Beograd.

Koliko je meni poznato TAP leti iz Lisabona za Zagreb, Croatia Airlines iz Stockholma, Norwegian iz Osla (i drugih gradova) za Dubrovnik, Pulu i Split i Beograd.

Yep, and SAS and KLM have frequent flights to Zagreb, but due to some unknown reasons they still do not have full service with Zagreb Airport, not sure why, perhaps bc CA flies to Scandinavia.

IMHO I think CA should let SAS handle Scandinavian routes so CA can concentrate more on Central Europe and charter service during summers. Clearly CA can't fly with 8 planes to all these destinations + charter flights which during summers basically tie entire fleet.

PS, not sure but I saw SAS offering flights to Zagreb go to sas site...

A sto se tice "svetog trojstva" LJU, BEG ili ZAG, odnosno toga tko ce imati najvise putnika, moje razmisljanje ide u ovom pravcu.

Nema sumnje da ce Hrvatska ukupno imati vise putnika nego li druge dvije zemlje. Tako je danas, a ta ce se razlika vjerojatno jos vise produbiti i to ponajprije imamo zahvaliti tome sto je HR vece turististicko trziste, nego li su to Slovenija i Srbija. I stvarno je super stvar sto postoji odredjena disperzija putnika u HR. Ne more sve kroz ZG!

U pogledu Ljubljane, bojim se da je ona van igre. Naravno, kao sto je vec receno, Zagreb i Ljubljana se mogu fino nadopunjavati, ako postoji let za neke destinacije s jedne, a ne i s druge zracne luke ili u slucaju cjenovnih razlika. Ali to su vise iznimne situacije. Vecina putnika ce u najvecem broju slucajeva ici na vlastiti maticni aerodrom.Ljubljani takvu vrstu konkurencije jos mogu ciniti i cine Graz i Venecija. Prednost Ljubljane je veca kupovna moc Slovenaca (u usporedbi sa HR i Srbijom), ali problem Ljubljane je sto cijela zemlja ima 2 milijuna ljudi i sto nije turisticka zemlja u onoj mjeri u kojoj je to HR ili neke druge Sloveniji susjedne zemlje. U skorijoj buducnosti mogao bi postojati jos jedan faktor ogranicenja velikog rasta broja putnika za Ljubljanu (ali i za Zagreb, iako u manjoj mjeri), pod uvjetom da Maribor postane low-cost centar za ovaj dio Europe. I to bi mi bilo vrlo drago. Samo da se jos Maribor malo bolje poveze sa Zagrebom u smislu javnog transporta (autobus, zeljeznica). MBX bi mogao za Zagreb i Ljubljanu biti kao Hahn za Frankfurt, kao Girona za Barcu.

Zagrebu ipak gravitira nesto vise ljudi nego li Ljubljani, ali je BDP i kupovna moc hrvatskih gradjana slabija. Ali prednost Zagreba je sto u njega slijece i velik broj hrvatskih emigranata iz Evrope (Njemacka i Skandinavija na prvom mjestu), kao i velik broj turista. Broj turista koji posjecuju Zagreb je u velikom usponu (iako neusporedivo manji u odnosu na Dalmaciju, Istru ili Kvarner), ali kroz Zagreb prolaze i brojni turisti koji naprosto nisu u mogucnosti sletjeti na jedan od "turistickih aerodroma". A i u slucaju uvodjenja transkontinentalnih letova, oni ce svi polaziti iz Zagreba tako da bi ZAG i na tome mogao profitirati. Well, ista stvar bi se desila i da se uvedu takvi letovi za Ljubljanu i Beograd.

Glavno suparnistvo, u smislu broja putnika (pustimo sada po strani dnevno-politicka prepucavanja), bi moglo biti izmedju Zagreba i Beograda. Beograd ce sigurno, ne podje li politicka situacija u krivom smjeru, u narednih pet godina imati izniman rast broj putnika. Rast ce biti potaknut visokim stopama gospodarskog rasta i intenziviranjem medjunarodne razmjene (dakle business putnici), rastom kupovne moci srbijanskih gradjana te ukidanjem administrativnih prepreka za putovanje u EU (vize). Nakon tog perioda velikog rasta, vjerojatno ce uslijedit vrijeme umjerenijeg povecanja broja putnika. Beogradova velika prednost je sto je fakticki jedini aerodrom u zemlji od 6 milijuna ljudi (Kosovo i pristinski aerodrom nisam racunao. Mislim da je jedini let iz Nisa onaj prema Istanbulu, cini mi se Pegasus). Nadalje, Srbija takodjer ima velik broj emigranata, ali i znatno manji broj turista od HR. Takodjer, dvostruko manje prihode.

Vidjet cemo sta ce na kraju biti... Ali pogresno je ovu ujednacenost izmedju broja putnika Zagreba i Beograda smatrati suparnistvom. Radi se o drugacijoj strukturi putnika i za razliku od Ljubljane i Zagreba, Zagreb i Begorad tesko da se mogu nadopunjivati. Mozda ce i odredjeni broj putnika iz istocne HR skoknuti do Beograda na avion, ali voziti se sest sati u vlaku iz Zagreba da bi se ukrcao na avion u Beograd (ili obratno), to je vec hard core. Takvih putnika je stvarno malo i zanemariva su brojka, a i cijene bi morale biti stvarno poprilicno razlicite da se tako nesto desi.

Zalosno je sto u toj utrci u broju putnika nije i Butmir, ali znamo svi kakva je situacija u BiH. Jebiga.

Ovaj post mi nekako zvuci najpostenije jer svi ostali u principu iznose samo svoje prednosti i planove,bas kao da ce kod konkurenata ostati status quo narednih 100 godina.
Sto se tice Butmira,ne moze se ni on totalno otpisati.Vjerovatno nikad nece
biti egal sa ovim aerodromima,ali ovakav odnos sigurno nije realan.
Ja znam jaaaako puno ljudi,ukljucujuci clanove svoje porodice koji svake godine po nekoliko puta koriste split ili beograd iskljucivo zbog jeftinih kompanija.Eh sad,kada se jedan dan i kod nas uvedu low cost kompanije bez ikakve sumnje broj bosanaca na okolnim aerodr.ce se drasticno smanjiti,a na domacem povecati,e sad je samo pitanje na kojem ce se broju stabilizovati.

ZAGREB - definitivno! :) :cheers:

Svaka daljnja rasprava je suvišna :ohno: :lol:

ZAGREB - definitivno! :) :cheers:

Svaka daljnja rasprava je suvišna :ohno: :lol:

Jebote, sad zvučiš ko Dziggy :lol:

Jebote, sad zvučiš ko Dziggy :lol:

Ma ne, mislim, stvarno!

Čemu uopće ova rasprava kada svatko razuman zna da je to Zagreb! :) :cheers:

ZAGREB - definitivno! :) :cheers:

Svaka daljnja rasprava je suvišna :ohno: :lol:

^^ Zato ja nisam htio uopce raspravljat :lol: :cheers:

^^ Zato ja nisam htio uopce raspravljat :lol: :cheers:

Pametan :lol: :cheers:

Pristina propast?! Ne bu islo.

Kosovo ima ogromnu dijasporu, a Pristini gravitira i sjeverni dio Albanije te sigurno odredjeni dijelovi Makedonije i Srbije (pogotovo s obzirom da aerodrom u Nisu prakticki ne postoji). U Pristinu vec leti nekoliko talijanskih aviokompanija, zatim Germanwings (sa tri linije; za Beograd ima tek dvije, za Ljubljanu ni jednu, a za Zagreb pet), a cini mi se i neki Svicarci.

Ne znam sta je bilo s onom pricom o uspostavi direktnog leta izmedju Pristine i New Yorka. Ne bi me cudilo da je propalo, ali isto tako me ne bi cudilo da Kosovo bude prva drzava (disputed territory?) u regiji koja ima izravan let za SAD.

Uglavnom, Italija, Njemačka, Švicarska, Austrija i istočna obala SAD-a - u tim krajevima zivi velik broj ljudi s Kosova i nema sumnje da ce Pristina biti s njima povezana. A tome naravno treba pridodati tko zna koliko pripadnika medjunarodne zajednice i raznih organizacija koje putuju tamo, a koji ce ostati na Kosovu sigurno jos narednih pet ljeta.

Puno toga ovisi i o političkoj situaciji u srbiji. Nezna se što će bit kad se kosovo odcijepi! Onda će odnos dvaju aerodroma (beograd i pristina) biti jednak kao i npr (beograd i zagreb) - prelazak granice ali i političke napetosti.

ZG i BG se trebaju prvo povezati, jer ko če u ZG i obrnuto pa onda još par sata autom simo tamo. Izmedju ZG i LJ je dobar sat autom pa to nije problem. U tom momentu samo LJ in BG imaju direktnu liniju skoro sa svim aerodromima u regiji. A tu je i drugi problem na koga još niko nije pomislijo - kad si u LJ već si u schengen zoni, pa zato barem u EU nema više frke sa dokumentima. I zato je LJ kao početna tačka barem što se tiče ZG još nekoliko vremena zanimljiva za avio kampanije koje lete po Europi. U proljeće 2008 otvaraja se linije za Oslo, Stocholm, Atene i Lisbonu pa će tako LJ još ojačati svoj položaj u regiji.

Da, ali govorimo o budućnosti. Hrvatska bi trebala u EU prema najavama 2009.g. (iako ja mislin da neće prije 2010. ili '11.) a onda će i Hrvatska biti u Schengen zoni

Da, ali govorimo o budućnosti. Hrvatska bi trebala u EU prema najavama 2009.g. (iako ja mislin da neće prije 2010. ili '11.) a onda će i Hrvatska biti u Schengen zoni

ulazak u eu ne znaci i direktan ulazak u sengen, npr slovenija tek sada pristupa sengenu, ceska i poljska tek za nekoliko godina

Schengen =/= EU, unfortunately. When a country joins the EU, they join the Schengen Agreement as well, but when that agreement is implemented, is another thing. From the 10 members which joined in 2004, all except Cyprus will be implementing it by the end of 2007 (28 March 2008 on airports), Cyprus doesn't have a set date. Bulgaria and Romania have a target year of 2011. So when Croatia joins, give it at least 3 years (as in the case with the 2004 new members) to join, but it might take longer because of its very long borders with Montenegro, BiH and Serbia, which will need to be controlled at the same level as Slovenia controls its border with Croatia.

Hmmm... neznam uz sve te silne prognoze oko aerodroma se zaboravlja koliko dugo ce covjecanstvo jos moci raspolagati sa kerosinom? I koliko ce porasti cijena avionske karte uz sve vecu nestanicu tog resursa? Mozda bi bilo pametnije raspravljati o tome kakva ce biti alternativna sredstva putovanja kad letenje bude toliko skupo da si nitko nece vise moci preustiti putovanje s avionom? U svakom slucaju bi mi to bila zanimljivija dretva nego ova?!?

Ja mislim, ali samo mislim da oće

Priština već neko vrijeme ima uspješne letove za JFK. :nuts:

So does Tirana and its has the pimpiest airport in all the region;)

Hmmm... neznam uz sve te silne prognoze oko aerodroma se zaboravlja koliko dugo ce covjecanstvo jos moci raspolagati sa kerosinom? I koliko ce porasti cijena avionske karte uz sve vecu nestanicu tog resursa? Mozda bi bilo pametnije raspravljati o tome kakva ce biti alternativna sredstva putovanja kad letenje bude toliko skupo da si nitko nece vise moci preustiti putovanje s avionom? U svakom slucaju bi mi to bila zanimljivija dretva nego ova?!?

O tome sam i ja razmisljao, ali verovatno ce i tu da nadju neku zamenu kad zagustne (http://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/svet.php?yyyy=2007&mm=09&dd=28&nav_id=265572). Sigurno nece biti jeftina kao Kerozin(inace bi je vec smislili) tako da ce let avionom u buducnosti biti skuplji nego danas.Maglevi ce valjda da napreduju do tad :)

So does Tirana and its has the pimpiest airport in all the region;)

I see that you haven't seen Split :naughty: :
http://i22.tinypic.com/242a45g.jpg

:cheers:

Wow imamo najgayish aerodrom u cijeloj državi... it's so queery!!! nije ni čudo što je ove godine u splitu više bilo gay turista nego str8, a ja se pitao zašto... stupid me.

Ovo je blagdanska rasvjeta. :tongue:

Inaće bude ili samo bilo ili bila sa plavim i zelenim dodacima... :cheers:

Očito je ta blagdanska rasvjeta bila za gay pride...
yuhu

Aj aj...loša ti je baza... :D

It luks lajk kurbnhaus:lol:

Kurbnhaus?
Jel to ono šta mislim da je? :crazy:

:yes:

Kurbnhaus?
Jel to ono šta mislim da je? :crazy:

DA:lol: :lol: :lol: :cheers:

This thread is going down the drain..

You've got that right...:yes: