http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=29664

Overall excavation and foundation work for the 76-story skyscraper will continue through summer 2007. The tower is scheduled for completion in 2009.

As work on the new Beekman Tower (8 Spruce Street) ramps up, developer Forest City Ratner is driving its first piles around the site's perimeter for four days beginning the week of October 30th (excluding the weekend). Called "soldier piles," the piles provide a barrier around the site's sub- grade perimeter that allows crews to excavate the soil within.

FINAL DESIGN:
http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/2025/2537316314_0d6b0c92e3_o.jpg
http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/3144/2536498909_ed3e036835_o.jpg
http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/2338/2537316494_42f29cca88_o.jpg
http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/2369_3_Beekman4big.jpg




http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry1.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/06/04/arts/04ouro_group.jpg

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1858/photo0008ae8hi0.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9796/photo0001zx7md8.jpg

This is one ugly building. This is a step backwards. This perfectly illustrates what I mean when I say "just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should." This is the sort of building that would make one appreciate the new WTC towers.

I have mixed feelings about this tower. Somehow i like it, and i have no doubt that this will be great addition to the NY skyline. But on the other hand, i prefer the old design (even if that one looks like a melted plastic model afer being heated).
The old design had in some way character, an excentric class while the newer design looks like a pseudo attempt to be excentric and orginal. I will see what the future will hold.

The older desing was much better and it had a more dynamic structure.

i dont like it. i think it is necessary for a skyscraper to have some sort of structual appeal in the design, leave this shit for midrises.

I don't even know which version is being built. Anyone know?

Wow i like this tower and i dont know why...

those are shitty renders, they dont do it any justice. this building will look really good when its done, considering the shape.

Wow i like this tower and i dont know why...

Same here. It looks pretty nice to me.

nice shape. im sure it would be way better than those pictures when its done.

There isn't a final design as far as I know. The first two suck donkey balls. I'm down with the heights and all I just hope we don't get stuck with an eyesore but I got a good feeling we will. Eitherway someone said before it will do the new wtc towers justice. I kinda feel the same way.

An older version:
http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry1.jpg



I think i like this render. people complain that nyc has too many old brown well, this will help change the perception

Ahh yes melting green. I see this one growing on me a bit more than the other but I seriousy hope we get something better than both. I am not counting on Ghery to give us a masterpiece skyscraper but geez don't give us a complete letdown that rises past 800 ft and blocks the woolworth from brooklyn. If yer gonna block the woolworth you better be on your game.

The first design passes as a office tower. Is this an office tower by the way?

nice building, but what's the official design??

The first design passes as a office tower. Is this an office tower by the way?It's a mix use. A school in the base, residentials in the tower.

Renderings of what the tower will look like are still not going out to the public. According to the spokesperson, that’s because the building design continues to change and the meticulous Gehry doesn’t want to publish plans until all the interior and exterior designs are finalized.

GREAT..

BUT WILL IT BE EXECUTED ?

It don't convinced me. Hope it will look better when is finished.

Renderings of what the tower will look like are still not going out to the public. According to the spokesperson, that’s because the building design continues to change and the meticulous Gehry doesn’t want to publish plans until all the interior and exterior designs are finalized.

Gehry is also designing a 54 and a 30 story tower for LA and we don't know what the offical design is either. Damn Gehry.

This tower will forever destroyed NY skyline....:bash:

How can you say that when the official design hasn't been released?

It is different that is for sure.

And what else I can expect from Gehry? other than soem folding napkins piece of crap. Maybe it's just me that have no interest or favor in his kind of design, lack of inspiration, what he's doing is eating out and modifying his own over used design. The only thing that pushing his works foward is the "very" expensive materials and pressmedia powers.

Any updates? This one is under construction, is it not?

I'm not sure, but here are some pics of the site from Scruffy at ssp

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC04036.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC04037.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC04038.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC04039.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC04043.jpg

Is that some kind of temporary modern art display?

its obviously a very ghery way of pile driving lol.

Can anybody show or explain where this tower is located ?

Weird scraper...looks like something from gehry, it has that style.

it's very gritty looking, like a towering slumlord tenement. i am captivated by it though.

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry3.jpg

well... I dont really care which one of those renders it is, because it looks fantastic no matter what, I'm a big fan of ghery! exited to see him do a real skyscraper! can't wait for it to happen!

very intrigue design!!

so can any new yorker out there put a map to it location....?

location map (http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/ipm/download/weekly.pdf)

it's 0840 on the map.

"Beekman Tower (8 Spruce Street)


In early October 2006, the one-acre parking lot on the west side of New York Downtown Hospital began its transformation into one of the tallest buildings in Lower Manhattan. Beekman Tower, whose address will be 8 Spruce Street (between William and Nassau Streets), will rise 75 stories (850 feet) and reshape the downtown skyline by the time it is completed in early 2010.

Architect Frank Gehry is designing the glass- and titanium-skinned tower. It will be primarily residential, though it also will dedicate 100,000 square feet to a public school, hospital offices, and an underground parking lot. There will be retail around its base and public plazas on its east and west sides, which pedestrians can use for access between Beekman and Spruce Streets.

Daily Activities
*The following information was last updated on May 8, 2007.

Work currently taking place at 8 Spruce Street includes

▫Excavation and foundation work
▫Pile driving concludes on May 4th, 2007.
▫Utility tie-ins begin in spring 2007."

source (http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/beekman_tower_8_spruce_83718.aspx)

This one is close (relatively) to the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge, just behind Pace University.

Strange..

I like Gehry's designs, but It's a bit repetitive.. same shape, same materials... expensive materials btw!! >(

I dunno if this will fit with NY style.. :ohno:

BTW, a school in the bottom? :crazy:

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry2.jpg

This tower is going to be great. It's going to rise soon and I hope we get a final rendering with detail.

Man, Dancing Towers on stereoids :D:D:D:D

BTW, a school in the bottom? :crazy:

What's wrong with a school?

What's wrong with a school?


Its very weird to have a school in the basement of a 250 meter Skyscraper, might be nothing special for NY but for all other people it's weird.

Still not too much to report. The weird piliings are now in the dirt where they belong. But things seemed to have stalled. My instinct tells me that they have reached as far as they can go without a specific plan. And they don't yet have a concrete plan hence no renders.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/DSC04771.jpg

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/DSC04771.jpg

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/DSC04778.jpg

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/DSC04780.jpg

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/DSC04779.jpg

And what else I can expect from Gehry? other than soem folding napkins piece of crap. Maybe it's just me that have no interest or favor in his kind of design, lack of inspiration, what he's doing is eating out and modifying his own over used design. The only thing that pushing his works foward is the "very" expensive materials and pressmedia powers.

I completely agree

I wouldn't say this is ugly. The design differs quite a lot from the ordinary New York -style, but it's something new.

Sbz2ifc "What's wrong with a school?" That's why we need Gehry.
Chad "And what else I can expect from Gehry?" What we expect is "how he pushing his works forward with the "very" expensive materials and pressmedia powers" in this project. Architecture will reacts differently in each place and condition.

I wouldn't say this is ugly. The design differs quite a lot from the ordinary New York -style, but it's something new.

A building that is out of place doesn't look good at all.
This building is UGLY.

A building that is out of place doesn't look good at all.
This building is UGLY.

I don't really like Gehry, but I can't say that this building is ugly when they haven't even released a final rendering or model.

me like!!!

Wow, what a crazy design. I think this will work well with NYC's skyline.

Something else for a change. Looks good.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/DSC04779.jpg

What is with those steel beams sticking out of the ground?

This is one ugly building. This is a step backwards. This perfectly illustrates what I mean when I say "just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should." This is the sort of building that would make one appreciate the new WTC towers.

Interesting how people's tastes differ. Of the 100+ skyscrapers going up around the world, this one is in my top 5. The comment "just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should", I agree with 100%, but apply that to buildings like Taipei 101, 80% of what Dubai is building, and the Gherkin in London.

The Beekman is unconventional, but it is of very high quality, good proportion, free of silly embellishments, and sophisticated. I wouldn't want this building built in 98% of the world's cities, but New York can pull this one off. This building certainly demands that it should't overwhelm it's surroundings.

Perhaps, you should ship Gehry back to Toronto. His hometown would love more Gehry buildings other than the AGO.

i like this building too...

Shot from yesterday, June 10th

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7110/p1010165bl3.jpg

I can't really figure out where this one is?
And could someone post a quick rendering (or just an image with an arrow or something) showing it's impact in the skyline?

Thanx

I can't really figure out where this one is?
And could someone post a quick rendering (or just an image with an arrow or something) showing it's impact in the skyline?

Thanx

It's going to be 76 stories and 867 feet tall. It will be readily seen on the skyline since it's north of the dense cluster downtown. It will be just south of the Municipal Building which is pictured below.

http://static2.bareka.com/photos/medium/61493/york-municipal-building-city.jpg

After a few more views of this building's renders... I've concluded that maybe more buildings in NYC in the future will take on odd designs such as this...

Maybe, that is.

I hope it doesn't block out the Woolworth.

i love that!!! it's attractive and sexy, hahahahaha, sorry but it's aesthetic is strong enough for me

Cheers for the answer LLoyd!

I'm looking forward to see this one.
I think ESB should be kinda left alone where it is, but they should definitely enhance NY's skyline by working their way up for lower Manhattan. This building is certainly going to help doing that!

Cheers for the answer LLoyd!

I'm looking forward to see this one.
I think ESB should be kinda left alone where it is, but they should definitely enhance NY's skyline by working their way up for lower Manhattan. This building is certainly going to help doing that!

You're welcome.

P.S.: I hope the gap between Midtown and Downtown is never filled with tall buildings. That area is filled with beautiful, old buildings and putting tall towers there would ruin it.

You're welcome.

P.S.: I hope the gap between Midtown and Downtown is never filled with tall buildings. That area is filled with beautiful, old buildings and putting tall towers there would ruin it.

It never will be. There's a reason things are they way they are. Manhattan is composed of very sturdy bedrock at its southern tip, but that bedrock soon gives way to a softer layer unable to support very tall buildings. Then, the bedrock returns again at Midtown. This is why the skyline of Manhattan is so high at Lower Manhattan, only to lower itself significantly, and then rise back up to incredible heights at Midtown.

I agree that the older and historical elements of NYC should be preserved, even instead of putting tall towers there.

A city's history is very important to maintain.

It never will be. There's a reason things are they way they are. Manhattan is composed of very sturdy bedrock at its southern tip, but that bedrock soon gives way to a softer layer unable to support very tall buildings. Then, the bedrock returns again at Midtown. This is why the skyline of Manhattan is so high at Lower Manhattan, only to lower itself significantly, and then rise back up to incredible heights at Midtown.

wow, i didn't know that until now. i always thought it is not approved by the city to build tall towers between downtown and midtown :)

You people have to remember history is changing all the time, you cannot preserve everything... History is important, but not as important as progress and living in today. History cannot always be preserved, especially if it means tearing down old run down buildings for the greater good of building skyscrapers of today that will really leave their mark in the city...

You people have to remember history is changing all the time, you cannot preserve everything... History is important, but not as important as progress and living in today. History cannot always be preserved, especially if it means tearing down old run down buildings for the greater good of building skyscrapers of today that will really leave their mark in the city...

I disagree. The sea of old buildings between Midtown and Dowtown encompass some of the most beautiful areas of Manhattan. To disturb that would be a crime. No one is about to start building skyscrapers on the Champs Elysee, an area filled with buildings no older than one finds in the subject area of Manhattan. So why fiddle with this beautiful old part of NYC?

love this building, like all the ones done by Ghery.

as fore the discussion about old and new, I think it is right to keep determined areas like there are, with their historic buildings, like most of european cities do. new is important, but also the past (that is also a perfect way to attract turists)

does any ody know the deign there gonna use. or if its the one shown before.

does any ody know the deign there gonna use. or if its the one shown before.

Ratner and Gehry have yet to reveal the final design, they've been tight-lipped throughout the entire project, so we still haven't seen the final look.

o, thanks. I hoe they keep that one design, its something new. when will they be sure???

no recent pics??

wd be nice to see some photo updates.. THANKS!!

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_228/undercover.html
Pretty Expensive

Frank Gehry’s current design for the Beekman St. tower and K-8 school is spectacular but may never see the light of day because of developer Bruce Ratner’s financing problems, a source tells UnderCover.

Ratner has never released any pictures of the building model because he may want the celebrity architect to shave some costs and fancy features off the tower, our source says, adding that the developer does not yet have the loan to build. The tipster doesn’t think the project is in danger of falling apart, but the school opening may get delayed.

“It’s drop-dead gorgeous,” says our source, who has seen the model and is sympathetic to community concerns about the building’s height. The wavy tower “looks like the ocean’s above you.”

bad news :(

Sure is...:(

the building sounds interesting though :)

Have they allready finished with footing, pile, operations, or am i out of date.!!!

From SSP, september 1st:

this site has completely stalled out. little to no visible movement since the last time i was here in June.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee253/scruffy2165/DSC08126.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee253/scruffy2165/DSC08131.jpg

Has this one been cancelled?

not yet, just problems, like always. ughhhh..

Great to hear that the developer is having financial issues, looks like this monstrosity won't be going up any time soon.

Great to hear such ignorant comments; it wouldn't feel like SSC without them. The design is different from what we have seen, which is amazing in my opinion, and I don't know when we will see the new design which has been u/c for a long time now. In any case, this project is FAR from being cancelled.

A new design... I liked the old one, I hope that the new one is good looking.

Tower cranes will be erected in a few weeks.

hopefully

Great to hear such ignorant comments; it wouldn't feel like SSC without them. The design is different from what we have seen, which is amazing in my opinion, and I don't know when we will see the new design which has been u/c for a long time now. In any case, this project is FAR from being cancelled.

No offense, but it's not ignorance because someone doesn't like the building. :bash:

There's no design to like or dislike. It was stated that what was in the renderings wasn't what was being built. Besides, the comment was caustic. :lol:

STILL no final design!


BUT the tower cranes are going up right now! They look like the ones at the WTC.

BUT the tower cranes are going up right now! They look like the ones at the WTC.

yes, NY-Guy told me on SSP the foundation is completed

and an height increase to 950ft is also possible according to SSP :)

Niiiice. We must have around two dozen buildings with roofs over 800' tall in a few years.

The taller this is the better. I doubt it will look bad, even though we can't see the final product. It's in a part of the LM skyline that needs a tower. Every gap is being stuffed with skyscrapers here!

This should open in 2010 or 2011 with 123 Washington, 50 West Street, 99 Church Street, ect., and the whole WTC! Just lower Manhattan could take on any other skyline.

Crane pic on today's curbed:

http://www.curbed.com/

Woah! going up already? nice!

Only in New York (in N. America at least) could a "secret" 75-story tower go up.

QUOTED---->Ebola!!!

"""""This should open in 2010 or 2011 with 123 Washington, 50 West Street, 99 Church Street, ect., and the whole WTC! Just lower Manhattan could take on any other skyline."""""

I totally agree.....btw you dont have to build 1km high towers to have the best skyline, the best skyline must have IMO, vibrance, style divesifity, it must be iconic, the bldgs must have different usages and if you take a blink of an eye at a picture you MUST recognyse it....so I dont think this will be the fact for the upcoming BIGGGG skylines worldwide.....so lean back and watch the best skyline beeing even improoved....and see what else will come.....

NYC ROCKS!

wow

Isn't it about time for some construction pics here?
These two were uploaded to the Wirednewyork forum on Dec, 1st 2007 by Greenwich Boy (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=201881&postcount=1536):
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5239&d=1196545073

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5237&d=1196544975

And this pano of Beekman Place is from p0psharlow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/p0ps/sets/72157594507813489/?page=2) and has been posted on Wirednewyork by Derek2k3. According to the photographer, it was taken on Dec, 18th 2007 or earlier:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2298/2128085241_de85d8fd62_b.jpg
So let's see, what will go up finally... I hope it will be the planned Gehry design, that would bring a new aspect to the NYC skyline :).

I was just wondering why the crane pics hadn't been posted. Thanks for posting them:)

This building looks spectacular, lets hope it gets built soon.

It looks really really close to my Uncle Mikes apartment at 90 Gold Street in Southbridge Towers, just across Gold Street from Pace University! I'll have to pay him a visit and find out more about this project.

By Pattali,SSP, Early January:

Really hard to take a photo here, but ...

My just 2 cents , those photos are 2-5 days old


http://mathias.attali.free.fr/bldg/P1000279.jpg

http://mathias.attali.free.fr/bldg/P1000280.jpg

http://mathias.attali.free.fr/bldg/P1000282.jpg

http://mathias.attali.free.fr/bldg/P1000303.jpg

http://mathias.attali.free.fr/bldg/P1000322.jpg

http://mathias.attali.free.fr/bldg/P1000323.jpg

Cheers ZZ!
Amazing how this tower seems to be going up so secretly...

very nice building!

Cheers ZZ!
Amazing how this tower seems to be going up so secretly...

to tru. Only in New York (and maybe china and dubai:))

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry1.jpg

I'd feel bad if anything this ugly gets built in New York City.This building isnt just "New York-ish".I Hope the final result isnt ANYTHING compared to this horrible rendering.New York deserves sOO much better!

I'm very sure it will be much better than on the renders, althoug i like the curved shape :)

I actually love that rendering, hopefully that is the one been built. :yes:

From SSP from p0psharlow:

A better shot of the crane from p0psharlow (http://flickr.com/photos/p0ps/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2298/2128085241_de85d8fd62_b.jpg

on SSP they wrote that the tower maybe will start to rise in february :cheers:

Beh....

This is seriously one of those projects I'll believe when I start seeing something. Alot of disappointment, and excitement involved with following NY projects. This one has been a steady disappointment for a while now.

Any project Frank Gehry is involved in usually faces several hurdles and multiple delays. ;)

NYgirl, there's not much to worry about and I'm sure that AT LEAST we'll see all of the lower section completed by 2009. Besides, isn't it important that it doesn't take forever to build because there's a school in it? There's obviously a lot more activity at the site now than a few months ago. It should be rising along with the Freedom Tower.

Gehry is incredible. Always pushing the envelop. You either love him or hate him -- I love him. But like nygirl, I will be a lot happier when I see something rising above ground. Wasn't there supposed to be a new render of this building released, or will we just have to discover what the builing will look like as it grows?

Oh for Godsake release the damn design alreaddyy! :gaah:

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry1.jpg

I'd feel bad if anything this ugly gets built in New York City.This building isnt just "New York-ish".I Hope the final result isnt ANYTHING compared to this horrible rendering.New York deserves sOO much better!

I love that rendering... beats having neon or ugly spires anyday....

I think it would fit in wonderfully with the NYC skyline

I personally HATE the Sears Tower and find it extremely ugly....so everybody views on what looks good is different

awesome!

news posted on SSP:

Good news !!!

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/beekman_tower_8_spruce_83718.aspx


*The following information was last updated on February 15, 2008.

Foundations completed on October 26, 2007
Superstructure work is scheduled from mid-February 2008 through February 2010; to restart April 2008.
This work requires full sidewalk closures on Spruce and Beekman Streets beside the work site.

wonderful news from SSP:

http://www.cityrealty.com/new_developments/

Gehry's mixed-use, 76-story tower near City Hall gets financing

28-MAR-08

Forest City Ratner Companies, a wholly owned subsidiary of Forest City Enterprises, Inc., announced today the closing of $680 million in construction financing for its "Beekman" mixed-use development at 8 Spruce Street near City Hall in Lower Manhattan.

"Beekman" will be a 76-story tower with approximately 1.1 million square feet, including 904 market-rate apartments, a pre-K through 8th grade public school for 630 students, a 21,000-square-foot ambulatory care center for New York Downtown Hospital, 1,300 square feet of ground-floor retail space, and below-grade parking for 175 cars.

The construction site is adjacent to New York Downtown Hospital on the block bounded by Beekman Street to the south, William Street to the east, and Spruce Street to the north.

In a press release, Bruce Ratner, the chairman and CEO of Forest City Ratner, said that "It is especially gratifying in this economic climate to have leading financial institutions show this kind of confidence in our Beekman project."

"Beekman, which combines a public school, an ambulatory care center for New York Downtown Hospital, landscaped public plazas, retail space, and Frank Gehry's first residential building in New York will be a superb addition to lower Manhattan," Mr. Ratner said.

The $680 million in bonds, of which approximately $204 million comes from the New York Liberty Bond Program, are being issued by the New York City Housing Development Corporation.

"Today's announcement is testimony to the strength and vitality of the Downtown development market," stated Lower Manhattan Development Corporation Chairman Avi Schick. "Lower Manhattan has become a 24/7 community and is now the place to live, work and play. This thriving neighborhood not only has world class office space, but also a rich and diverse housing stock, acres of open space, and premier cultural amenities."

The four lead banks participating in the financing, according to the press release, are Eurohypo AG, Europe's leading international real estate bank which is also acting as Administrative Agent; Nord/LB, an international real estate bank with branches in New York, London, Singapore and Shanghai; ING Real Estate Finance, a subsidiary of one of the world's largest financial institutions; and Fifth Third Bank, a leading financial institution headquartered in Cincinnati, Ohio.

"RBS Citizens, N.A. is providing the credit enhancement for the bond issue. The Mezzanine Loan provider for the project is the National Electrical Benefit Fund, which is also Forest City Ratner's equity partner in the Beekman project," the press release continued.

"While today's market has made financing large deals very difficult, it has by no means made it impossible and this project is a prime example," said Ben Marciano, Managing Director, Head of Real Estate Investment Banking - U.S. of Eurohypo AG in North America.

Major construction on the Beekman project is scheduled to commence next week. Frank Gehry's final architectural design will be unveiled soon and the building is expected to begin leasing in 2010.

Mr. Ratner, whose company recently indicated it does not expect to move forward with all the components of its huge Atlantic Yards project in Brooklyn right away, said that the "Beekman" project "could not have happened without the support of" Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, Mayor Bloomberg, Deputy Mayor Leiber, Housing Preservation and Development Commissioner Donovan, Housing and Development Commission President Jahr, Lower Manhattan Development Corporation President Emil and Chairman Schick "and all of the local community leaders."

Great news.Now it's just wait for the rendering,and I hope it doesn't take too much for that :banana:
It would be nice if Gehry's project on the other side of the Hudson had the same luck.

Great news.Now it's just wait for the rendering,and I hope it doesn't take too much for that :banana:
It would be nice if Gehry's project on the other side of the Hudson had the same luck.

Gehry is overrated. This tower's definitely grown on me in the past few weeks, more importantly, its far better than Pace university's maria tower adjacent to it.
As for his plans for the other side of the Hudson, they look a bit abstract don't u think?

The other side of the Hudson or the other side of the East River? You guys are talking about the complex in Brooklyn right? I hate that thing, but on the other hand if Beekman looks a bit like the earlier rendering I'd like it. IMO Ghery is hit or miss.

I like his plans for Hudson Yards,aesthetically speaking.It seems kinda interesting the way he managed to combine different kind of materials,such as brick and glass.

The other side of the Hudson or the other side of the East River? You guys are talking about the complex in Brooklyn right? I hate that thing, but on the other hand if Beekman looks a bit like the earlier rendering I'd like it. IMO Ghery is hit or miss.

Right on. Sorry for my ignorance, I meant across the East River.

hope to see the final design/height of the tower soon :)

I like his plans for Hudson Yards,aesthetically speaking.It seems kinda interesting the way he managed to combine different kind of materials,such as brick and glass.
The name of Ghery's plans escapes my mind, but it's at the Atlantic Yards, not Hudson Yards (that's where all the supertalls are about to pop up)
Right on. Sorry for my ignorance, I meant across the East River.

No problem.:)

The name of Ghery's plans escapes my mind, but it's at the Atlantic Yards, not Hudson Yards (that's where all the supertalls are about to pop up)


No problem.:)

Sorry,I missunderstood the name of the place and the river lol.

I like his plans for Hudson Yards,aesthetically speaking.It seems kinda interesting the way he managed to combine different kind of materials,such as brick and glass.

His designs are quite innovative, but some are before their time IMO, people aren't ready for his style of weird angled walls, roofs etc.

This perfectly illustrates what I mean when I say "just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should."

No, but in this case you should. I think the design is really nice. :)

according to SSP construction resumed this morning :cheers:

According to the news, this tower is going again and will be rising, and obviously will get completed. We will see the final design soon, with any luck in a few days.

His designs are quite innovative, but some are before their time IMO, people aren't ready for his style of weird angled walls, roofs etc.

MIT is suing him for his "advanced" architectural style. Leaks, falling ice and structual deficiency abounds. I'm hoping Beekman's design isn't that kind of disaster.

very mixed reaction, i really do like it!

According to the news, this tower is going again and will be rising, and obviously will get completed. We will see the final design soon, with any luck in a few days.

hope they've really increased it to over 900ft as anyone said on SSP :)

Update by Solaris, SSP:

Thought I'd post some photos I took today to liven up this page a bit.

BTW, Anyone know if they are just building the school or the tower itself?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2415296632_02605e15fd_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2258/2414474001_3a10d3cc8c_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2126/2414515191_d41837bcef_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2366/2414430639_dc5ec5d479.jpg?v=0

Nice to see some movement on the site. Although it would be just as nice to see some renderings:)

update by solaris, SSP:

Some more updates. Tower finally broke street level earlier this week.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2219/2455895576_c24f864660_b.jpg
Currently pumping concrete using a massive truck
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2294/2455896536_a4443bb2dc_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2042/2455069521_3a07b69586_b.jpg
Construction is operating very efficiently, especially considering the small footprint and lack of free street space.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3278/2455897390_18f92d86c4_b.jpg
Concrete trucks lining up down the street.


and btw...the new design will be released within the next 2 weeks :cheers:

Ok, so I am sure that it's well over 860' to the roof but don't recall what the exact number is and it has 76 floors now. The height and design are basically the same, but some detail was added, I guess. It still will have a major impact on the skyline. Picture it w/ the WTC and friends too!


http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1858/photo0008ae8hi0.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9796/photo0001zx7md8.jpg

:banana:

Beekman rules. :banana: I like the cladding ,allthough the picture is not so clear.

I think thats the location.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7450/naamloopc6.png

Just on the "Beekman hotel".Built in 1928, the 26-story building is an Art Deco landmark.
http://www.all-ny.com/hotels_img/beekman_map.gif
http://www.newyork-reservations.com/images/beekman-tower-1.jpg




They say this is the final design.
http://www.artadox.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/beekman-street-tower.jpg
link:http://www.artadox.com/name-brand-designs-for-the-city%E2%80%99s-skyline/

New tower near the "Beekman tower"?
http://www.curbed.com/2007_07_McSamBeekman1.JPG
source: curbed
Demolition works...http://curbed.com/archives/2007/07/11/downtown_towerwatch_mr_gehry_meet_mr_mcsam.php

The New Beekman Tower is in lower Manhattan not that far from the WTC. 8 Spruce Street...

Indeed... confurmed http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/beekman_tower_8_spruce_83718.aspx

Wow the facade is extremely detailed. Very irregular (more than I initially thought), I like it, I just wonder how it would look in real life.

that tower will look absolutely great in the skyline :cheers:, can't wait until it is finished

amazing, totally different from anything done until now. Frank G has done it again.

Oh god, sam chang's building looks like a huge mc donalds. What crap this guy and his buildings are. I can live with Beekman though. What a great facade...

Oh god, sam chang's building looks like a huge mc donalds. What crap this guy and his buildings are. I can live with Beekman though. What a great facade...
LMAO that's the fist thing that popped into my head too. The funny thing is that the hotel group's name is McSam:lol: Red + Yellow for a building facade is just awful. Just the latest Gene Kaufman hackwork building to go up in the city. Too bad this thing is going to contaminate the street view of the Beekman Tower from some angles.

This thing has to be at least on its 4th floor by now? It hit street level about 3 weeks ago no?

yes, it reached streetlevel at beginning of may

LMAO that's the fist thing that popped into my head too. The funny thing is that the hotel group's name is McSam:lol: Red + Yellow for a building facade is just awful. Just the latest Gene Kaufman hackwork building to go up in the city. Too bad this thing is going to contaminate the street view of the Beekman Tower from some angles.
Where are the damn nimby's when you need them seriously! They really need to change the damn design. They could atleast change the colors. I'd hate to see this thing go up near Beekman Place, heck i'd hate to see this garbage go up in the city! I doubt I'm the only one feeling this way...

New tower near the "Beekman tower"?


That tower next to Beekman is absolutely horrible. :ohno:

Where are the damn nimby's when you need them seriously! They really need to change the damn design. They could atleast change the colors. I'd hate to see this thing go up near Beekman Place, heck i'd hate to see this garbage go up in the city! I doubt I'm the only one feeling this way...

Yeah. It's weird how sometimes NIMBYs come out with a force against some really good looking projects and then let crap buildings, like w/e this building is called, go up without a fight. I've seen plenty of Gene Kauffman buildings going up around the city. There's like 2 or 3 (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2356/2312091240_d2ab1de6ab_b.jpg) in the 40s that are quite visable. They're just awful. And there's also hotel in Chelsea that he designed. Well anyway there's a thread in wirednewyork (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13617&highlight=add+color) with pics of Kaufman's other designs and buildings, if you could call them that.

If a fire ever breaks out in a Ghery designed building they're gonna have a heck of time discerning what was warped by heat and what was warped by his creative mind.

ugh..can't stand it. Horrible :ohno: i was hoping for a redesign (a noticeable one!)
im with you koolkid!

can a mod please change the title to 76 floors and 867ft?

Here's the final design, they say:

http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/2338/2537316494_42f29cca88_o.jpg
http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/3144/2536498909_ed3e036835_o.jpg
http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/2338/2537316494_42f29cca88_o.jpg

MORE renderings are on page 1.

This amazing baby is already well on its way up.

Different versions:

http://archpaper.com/uploads/BeekmanModels.jpg

This final design was the version in the SSP diagram along. I was hoping for that one. The most subdued. It conforms to the skyline and adds a little shimmer. Excellent. Thumbs up for Gehry this time.

Awesome design :)

Awesome. A million times better than his building(s) in Brooklyn.

Awesome. A million times better than his building(s) in Brooklyn.

True.

Although I must say the new design is far better than the previous one, I can't help but ask why must he insist on including the wavy, melting look? Is it that hard to design a building that goes straight up?

Bigger:


http://i28.tinypic.com/28chd0i.jpg

i honestly like the unusual wavy design. beautiful!

The skinny side, looking south, looks awesome! I kind of think it's not wavy enough though... Nevertheless, this design will probably catch on more in the next few years.

Bigger:


http://i28.tinypic.com/28chd0i.jpg

It looks very modern with an extreme neo-gothic senses to it...awsome!!

WOW, i think i have a new favourite skyscraper........

wow, that render shows that this tower will definitely look awesome in the skyline :eek:

WOW! Im actually starting to like this tower now! Not as bad as I thought it would be like at all! :cheers:

True.

Although I must say the new design is far better than the previous one, I can't help but ask why must he insist on including the wavy, melting look? Is it that hard to design a building that goes straight up?

Umm, because maybe it would look boring if it went straight up???????????????

Spectacular design! :eek:

After this render....

http://i28.tinypic.com/28chd0i.jpg

I love it :drool:

I was hoping for a crazy shape for this building-like it happens with most of Gehry`s work-but still good anyway.

crazy enough IMO :D

Umm, because maybe it would look boring if it went straight up???????????????Very true. :lol:

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/2369_1_Beekman%201big.jpg

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/2369_2_beekman%208big.jpg

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/2369_3_Beekman4big.jpg

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/2369_4_beekman%205big.jpg

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/2369_6_Beekman%202big.jpg

:cheers::banana::banana::banana::cheers:

Gehry’s first NY residential tower unveiled
New York developer Forest City Ratner and architect Frank Gehry today unveiled a design for a new 76-storey residential tower that will redefine the skyline of Lower Manhattan. The Beekman, as the project is known, will be the tallest residential tower in the City and Gehry’s first residential project in New York.

The project features a 1.1 million sq ft structure sheathed in Gehry’s signature glass and crumpled stainless steel cladding atop a six-storey masonry podium that will accommodate a public school, new public open space, and an ambulatory care center for the adjacent New York Downtown Hospital.

In addition to 903 market rate rental apartments the project includes a four-storey, 100,000 sq ft public school, a 21,000 sq ft ambulatory care center that will be used as doctor’s offices, 13,000 sq ft of neighborhood-oriented ground floor retail space and 26,000 sq ft of below-grade parking for 175 cars.

The development will also feature two through-block public plazas designed by Field Operations in collaboration with Dutch planting designer Piet Oudolf.

The project, which is under construction, will be completed in 2010.

has anyone a picture of the contruction progress ?

I love the new renders. Amazing tower :cheers:

Wow. This is one good project.

Congratulations New York!!

what material will the facade be? steel or stone?

I'm thinking it's steel since it's quite shiny, but it could be stone as well.

these are one of those buildings, either you love it or you hate it

The facade makes me think about the Aqua-tower in Chicago. A curved shape of the facade to! :).
http://hawtaction.com/Aqua.jpg

I think the material will be some special treated stainless steel end really thin to.

posted by NYguy, SSP:

http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/08_060308-beekmancementtruc.jpg


http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/07_060308beekmantowers.jpg

and June 12th by NYguy, SSP:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/98641468/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/98641473/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/98641480/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/98641480/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/98641481/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/98641482/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/98641485/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/98641487/large.jpg

You wouldn't say from these thin columns that this building will be over 800 ft. :)

these thin collums are only for the base ^^

From flickr by sabeth718:

July 12, 2008
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/2662813730_544c067698_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/2662814464_af23287799_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2662815900_ed7d6f30f9_b.jpg

Does'nt look like its changed much, when will it be visible on the skyline?

Wow, didn't even know about this tower. NYC rocks. Great design if you ask me.

omg ive walked past this a few times didnt know it was this building!

ok guys i can keep you updated with this one

^^ I may have walked passed this building too!

I really like this tower - can't wait to see it rise into the NY sky! :okay:

can we get some new pics of this one

Very Unique, cannot wait to see this completed!!

More pics? This is a stunning addition to Lower Manhattan, will look good with the World Trade Center.

August 1st by Sabeth718:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/2662814464_af23287799_b.jpg

Thats exactly the same picture as the 2nd to last picture in the last pic update.

More pics? This is a stunning addition to Lower Manhattan, will look good with the World Trade Center.

'Stunning' is an arguably over-used adjective on SSC, but IMO it's certainly warranted when describing this tower. That 4th render in #1 in particular is awesome! :drool:

As an architect, Frank Gehry is one of the finest in the world. He designs buildings that are bold, interesting and have panache. This will be a very beautiful tower. It has special meaning to me because my favorite Uncle lives less than 1 block away in Southbridge Towers (the brown buildings with white horizontal stripes and balconies) and my father went to Pace University which is across the street. When I spent the weekend at my Uncles's apartment about 2 weeks ago I think they were already up to the 12th floor.

A blind, retarded infant scribbling on a napkin with a crayon could design a better building than Frank Gehry. He is a disgrace to architecture.

A blind, retarded infant scribbling on a napkin with a crayon could design a better building than Frank Gehry. He is a disgrace to architecture.

its obvious your perception of architecture is very dishelved, frank gehry has a very unique style of architecture that is unarguably magnificent, too bad you are used to such bland architecture

This building is amazing! I think he deserves some credit for this. Is this still rising? Haven't seen an up to date pic for ages.

Yeeeah man, it's rising. Downtown Manhattan is makin moves right now.
I dont take construction for granted, with the financial situation how it is. Im so glad this is going up.

How high is it now?

from SSP, new pics :):

Speaking of such...

photos posted by ZippyTheChimp at WNY
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/106/beekman04con3.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beekman04con3.jpg) http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7994/beekman05cuw2.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beekman05cuw2.jpg) http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2589/beekman06ckm1.th.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beekman06ckm1.jpg)

Curves make an appearance
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5570/beekman07ceg9.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2272/beekman08cij1.jpg

^^ Looking good, ZZ-II! :okay:

Good progress.

This will be a fun building to watch, good design, i like it.

Nice to see some progress and nice to see lots of projects progressing in the economic downturn, in the UK, its a joke, so many are on hold, and we have crap planning laws and pathetic heritage groups who hate anything tall and modern.

I really like it. Slim elegant, and like a formal block tower with a thick skin of fur thats being blown by the wind.

Nice to see the curves:)

Nice to see some progress and nice to see lots of projects progressing in the economic downturn, in the UK, its a joke, so many are on hold, and we have crap planning laws and pathetic heritage groups who hate anything tall and modern.

i have read a few articles on the situation in the UK, i read that they are in an extraordinary economic situation right now so for that reason many buildings are being cancelled and put on-hold and such, and british leaders think that skyscrapers are just a way to provide a false sense of masculinity anyway back on topic

i am so happy frank gehry finally got to design a skyscraper for NYC, i saw his work at MIT and it is marvelous, i hope he gets to design more in the future, this will be awesome in the skyline

Can't wait for the facade...:)

Nice to see some progress and nice to see lots of projects progressing in the economic downturn, in the UK, its a joke, so many are on hold, and we have crap planning laws and pathetic heritage groups who hate anything tall and modern.

The heritage groups are a good thing, without them, there wouldn't be a Victorian building left! Please, there's enough crap going up in London, and the needn't be any more. British cities are quite beautiful the way they are, Thank you!!

Now to get back on topic. I went by the site the other day and so far, it looks good! I have been following this one from the Pace University building next door for the past year.

from SSP

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:nuts: :banana:

good progress, its nice to see that its taking its unique shape.

Yeah, although I'm worried that certain sides don't look wavy enough and are just your usual straight wall. It's a good building anyway, and I'm glad it's moving along great.

^^ The south facade is not supposed to have any undulations and will be flat.

this is like the new york version of aqua in chicago

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/2369_1_Beekman%201big.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/080604gehry/3.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/080604gehry/4.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/080604gehry/8.jpg

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/2369_2_beekman%208big.jpg

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8809/56l30ppbkoe8.jpg


:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

^^^ wrong thread buddy :speech:

why?the tower is left in the background...

why?the tower is left in the background...

:doh::doh:

:doh::doh:
:bash:
its a good pics, 3 new towers in it :)

This one on the wrong location only...

:doh::doh:

look closer and you'll see crizzy is right ;)

look closer and you'll see crizzy is right ;)

yeah I saw it after he told me, that why I did :doh::doh: :lol:

Does anyone know what floor they are up to now?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Does anyone know what floor they are up to now?

Inquiring minds want to know!

PHOTO 11 SEPT
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almost 1 month later (red section is addid)
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7919/n2512086mz5.jpg

Beekman place... the AQUA of NYC.

i love the design but its kinda GIANT for a gehry building.

yesterday by NYCLuver, SPP:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0963.jpg

^Thanks for the update ZZ-II.

ahhh looking good, NYC version of AQUA.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/388/p1000121ye8.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6954/p1000122gr0.jpg

cant wait to see how this will turn out...

cant wait to see how this will turn out...


It could turn out horrible and tacky... Could.

Wow...!!! Its already high now so fast :banana: :banana:.

:cheers:

It's hitting 20% of its height soon! I like it! Good location and probably a fine place to live, in the thick of things. But how could it turn out horrible and tacky? The exterior won't consist of pink glass and bathroom tile! Rejoice, man! (Observe the renders, at minimum).

:puke:It's hitting 20% of its height soon! I like it! Good location and probably a fine place to live, in the thick of things. But how could it turn out horrible and tacky? The exterior won't consist of pink glass and bathroom tile! Rejoice, man! (Observe the renders, at minimum).


Yes, and I am now the first one to praise Chicago's Aqua wonder which I originally loathed given the renders we had. All I'm saying is that with 'funky' towers like these... you'd better get the cladding and other exterior elements right orelse you end up with a Las Vegas/Dubai-ish rubbish. In Chicago again, we have a current example of what I mean: the Elysian. THAT is an eye soar! In that instance, the design itself is the problem I think but the... "papier-mache" exterior walls are just... :puke:
You're right though, it could be a stunner; I'll try to be optimistic. :)

i used to like this building...until i got a closer look at all that twisty stuff!

It could turn out horrible and tacky... Could.

The sinous shapes would be inevitably powerful.

It is the quality and precision of the cladding that would keep away the tackiness. Especially how they reflect the light.

At night it could be hulkingly ugly with bad cladding, but wildly beautiful with the right cladding & good lighting.

IMO

Another wannabe-modern NYC tower going up to spoil a historic highrise ensemble... :puke:


Furthermore, considering the renders, this is goin to turn out pretty tacky.
I hope we're going to see some classier designs for this area in the future.

^^

Another wannebe skyscraperfan going to spoil this forums with anti-sentiment... ;)

^^ Excuse me, but not all skyscrapers look good, although most do. It's those few ugly ones that make their way through all the paperwork and get approved; it's those that I hate.

good thing this one is not the case. For me one of the most beautiful skyscrapers in the world, original and modern, without abusing with glass. Perfect.

^^

Another wannebe skyscraperfan going to spoil this forums with anti-sentiment... ;)
What the heck's a "wannebe skyscraperfan"? Dude, you should check your vocabulary. I'm not an infantine fan, but an enthusiast, anyway. A more than slight difference.

I guess I should fall into euphoria and glorify this piece of crap - such as any premature kid looking at any fugly tower around SSC. Good to see people are still free to form their own views.

Of course, NYC got some nice proposals lately. But that's not the case here, at least not within this invaluable historic skyscraper ensemble (Woolworth Building, Park Row Building, Transportation Building, Broadway Buildings, the City Hall as a lowrise - virtually nearly everything around City Hall Park). There already are some ugly post-war shoeboxes around, but they don't impair the City Hall Park ensemble as much as Beekman Place will do.
This tower (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=122343) (99 Church Street) is an adequate addition to such an area, even if it could still be improved a lot.

I wouldn't have any problem if this tower would replace one of those baffling apartment towers across the park (those ones at the Brooklyn Bridge western ramp e.g., or the office tower right next to them). But this way it's just to deep digged in this unique historic part of the city.


As if it wouldn't be enough that they destroyed the awesome Newspaper Row (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Newspaper_Row,_1906.JPG) for those awful Brooklyn Bridge ramps (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/BrooklynBridgeRampsMANH.jpg/800px-BrooklynBridgeRampsMANH.jpg)...

But well, it's not my cup of tea. If New York wants to proceed with its self-destruction, it should do so.

Beekman place... the AQUA of NYC.

I don't know why you would call this the Aqua of NYC. The two buildings are pretty different.

http://www.chicagoarchitecture.info/CAI/Images/TheLoop/Aqua-006.jpghttp://www.glasssteelandstone.com/Images/US/NY/NYC/200801/Beekman-a00.jpg

Aqua's form is essentially a rectangular prism, enhanced with undulating ridges. 8 Spruce is a T-shaped tower with several setbacks.

Aqua is glass and cement and 8 Spruce is metal and glass.

What the heck's a "wannebe skyscraperfan"? Dude, you should check your vocabulary. I'm not an infantine fan, but an enthusiast, anyway. A more than slight difference.

I guess I should fall into euphoria and glorify this piece of crap - such as any premature kid looking at any fugly tower around SSC. Good to see people are still free to form their own views.

Of course, NYC got some nice proposals lately. But that's not the case here, at least not within this invaluable historic skyscraper ensemble (Woolworth Building, Park Row Building, Transportation Building, Broadway Buildings, the City Hall as a lowrise - virtually nearly everything around City Hall Park). There already are some ugly post-war shoeboxes around, but they don't impair the City Hall Park ensemble as much as Beekman Place will do.
This tower (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=122343) (99 Church Street) is an adequate addition to such an area, even if it could still be improved a lot.

I wouldn't have any problem if this tower would replace one of those baffling apartment towers across the park (those ones at the Brooklyn Bridge western ramp e.g., or the office tower right next to them). But this way it's just to deep digged in this unique historic part of the city.


As if it wouldn't be enough that they destroyed the awesome Newspaper Row (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Newspaper_Row,_1906.JPG) for those awful Brooklyn Bridge ramps (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/BrooklynBridgeRampsMANH.jpg/800px-BrooklynBridgeRampsMANH.jpg)...

But well, it's not my cup of tea. If New York wants to proceed with its self-destruction, it should do so.

why dont you cry about it? this is 2008, not 1850.

This building is totally different than aqua. I think it's way more attractive than aqua. The only thing they have in common is the "deformed" type look, but each project does that look in a different way. And also not to mention they have a totally different shape.

The sinous shapes would be inevitably powerful.

It is the quality and precision of the cladding that would keep away the tackiness. Especially how they reflect the light.

At night it could be hulkingly ugly with bad cladding, but wildly beautiful with the right cladding & good lighting.

IMO

Indeed but if you read two posts above yours (No. 240) I kindda said that before you did! (No. 238) Hihi! :lol:

Couldn't help it ;)

why dont you cry about it? this is 2008, not 1850.

couldn't agree more actually... they left their mark on the city, why shouldn't our and future generations do the same?

and this is not some Kleindorf, where u can chop a spruce and a beech tree to make a building, it's friggin Manhattan where not every low grade building from the days of yore needs to be preserved.