WHAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTT???????????? Nabatiyyeh is not in Jnoub???????
Chou bi 3arrefkon le jnoub men le chmel ento?? am te7kouleh bi governate w bi ma ba3ref chou
Jnoub = South, ya3ne saida w kil chi ta7ta, okay??? Governates al, loooooool... iza bi Beirut, "Paris of the Middle East", "world class cities" buildings don't have numbers, baddak t2elleh enno el nabatiyyeh mich bi le jnoud?

Guess where Nabatiyyeh is?



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^^ bas manna taba3 mouhafazel el jnoub.yes or no?

WHAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTT???????????? Nabatiyyeh is not in Jnoub???????
Chou bi 3arrefkon le jnoub men le chmel ento?? am te7kouleh bi governate w bi ma ba3ref chou
Jnoub = South, ya3ne saida w kil chi ta7ta, okay??? Governates al, loooooool... iza bi Beirut, "Paris of the Middle East", "world class cities" buildings don't have numbers, baddak t2elleh enno el nabatiyyeh mich bi le jnoud?

Guess where Nabatiyyeh is?



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i repeat...i dont want to take sides or enter this quarrel !!!
but when we talk about statistics and numbers, we should stick to the official administrive divisions...just for the sake of the credibility of the point we are trying to prove so much !!!

from the brevet geography book:
*muhafazet lubnan ljanobi markazoha fe saida wa hiya tadom 2akdiyat saida w sour w jezzine
*muhafazet jabal amel markazoha fe nabatiye wa hiya tadom 2akdiyat nabatiye w bint jbel w marjeyoun w hasbaya

nabtiyeh, is geographically, socially, interwined with the jnoub. it is the gateway to the jnoub. Therfore, there was no reason for lebkm to seperate them in his post, as they share the same political views, and are both in the jnoub. so once again i say dont try to comment on the people or the place, that u only know about their govenrnates. and hassoun u have fun with ur stories, and theroys.

^^ Stories? lol
ok,Salah Ezziddine ;) and what he did to the southern Lebanon people :) he's close to Hizbullah,people living in Yaroun,a southern village hate any person who even mentions hizbullah now,although they used to worship it instead of Allah :D

and now,what the UAE is doing,People working as spies to Hizbak,are being kicked out of the country,and soon a statement from the UAE will clarify everything,and that's not the first time hizbak is doing this,Egypt and Kazakhstan are not that long time ago.although they said they r " strictly Lebanese " while they are just puppets to the Iranian regime,sadly,using you and a huge number of Lebanese people,even against their own country.

i wonder if u knew even 1% of what i just mentioned since u just follow hizbak's news.

Chou bi 3arrefkon le jnoub men le chmel ento??

are u calling me ignorant ??????
le shu do u know me 2aslan ???
FYI, my freinds used to call me the "MAP FREAK", and i have a gigantic map of lebanon hanging on my bedroom wall that i have grown to memorize by heart

am te7kouleh bi governate w bi ma ba3ref chou

eh mbala ??? la shu na3mil muhafazat ??? balayon ??
w lashu na3mil 2akdiyi w ta2simit w maba3rif shu ??? bala hal habal ???
w bala l7dud ??? la shu ykun 3ina 7dud lal jomhiriye ?? balayun...useless ???
w bala ljomhoriye aslan ???? shu badna fiya ???
bala ldawle ??? w bala lshar3iyi ??? w bala dostor ???


this is how u sound like

^^ this is what they sadly became,against their own country,they prefer a hizbullah state instead of the STATE OF LEBANON.
w ba3doun beyjakro !!!

Martyr thanks for the clarification, as for jader, you know it's funny when someones tries to make fun of others while he himself is wrong, i know where nabatieh is thank you for trying to teach me, but it seems you don't even know that nabatieh is a different gorvernorate than the south, and this why i named both specifically, and this actually rises the question of who should get an education about the south, just like Hassoun said you wanna argue for the sake of arguing.

Once again it seems like you do not understand a word i'm saying, even though it's simple English, and since you're a Lebanese-American, you should have no problem whatsoever understanding it. I never compared the scenario of the middle east or Lebanon to communism hehe, all i said hezballah and Iran use exactly the same sentences that the communists used to raise fear of Americans amongst their mass and supporters, whereas it turned out that the communists were the evil and wrong ones, and again Iran uses the same propaganda against America whereas the Iranian regime is the worst regime on the face of the planet. And again i never said in my post that America of any other country should take over and enslave us, (seriously have you been reading what i said hehe) all i said is that the propaganda used by iran and hezballah is just lies to keep the people blinded to the awful truth that they are the evil ones and not the Americans, and yes of course Lebanon is way better off dealing with the USA rather than dealing with Iran, i mean name me one country in the world that the USA does not interfere in, starting by Russia and the EU and not ending by Venezuela and Cuba, so seriously where does Lebanon stand in the balance of powers that hezballah wants to face the American projects for the world and the middle east, and you are waiting for the US administration to look in equal and fair eyes to the palestinians ?? who said i care about palestine or the palestinians, my country's name is Lebanon last i checked, and this 10452km piece of land is all what matters to me and nothing else, so if you wanna free palestine don't do it at my expanse go free it from iran or syria. And you wanna know when syria was a puppet for the americans, hehehe ok that's the best part, let me see ..... well is that when the americans gave an order to the syrians to enter lebanon in 1975 and squash the PLO ?? no no no, probably it's when they told the syrians you help us in the first gulf war and you get to keep lebanon under ur occupation, and of course lets not forget when the conflict rose between the US and syria after the 9/11 and when the bush administration was really considering attacking syria after Iraq, but please tell me again who was the first to protest on such a plan, let me see let me see yeah it was definitely OLMERT.
And for the love of the lord, stop telling me Lebanon forsake the south, have you ever heard of the " RED LINES AGREEMENT " gosh what do you know about war in Lebanon ? have you ever heard of it, the agreement between the syrians and the israelis , that states that the syrian forces are to keep the part that's to the north of the Litani and the israeli forces are to keep the part to the south of it, geez dude go read some history, and you want me to tell you the kind of oppression i have been under, where do you want me to start, by syrian troops killing 2 of my cousins and thousands of other Lebanese, or by raping thousands of Lebanese women, or by keeping thousands of Lebanese detainees until this very moment in their prisons, or by humiliating me and my family and thousands of other families every time we passed by a searching point, or by killing 2 Lebanese presidents and 2 prime ministers and the many deputies and ministers and political and intellectual figures, or by killing the Lebanese economy and stealing every penny from lebanon, the list goes on forever, please tell me who is the selfish when you call some1 who did all this an ally and you're so proud, and try for once to understand that i am a shi'ii too and just like the israeli is my enemy as well as he is yours, you are obliged to admit that syrian is your enemy as well as he is mine, and until u do that you're the one who has no right to say anything about selfishness or about anything else .

hizbak :lol::lol::lol:

yani shu badi elak ya hassoun, I live in abu dhabi, i know scores of shias, jnounbi, and iranian that are being kicked out of the country, merciless, losing their jobs becuase of uae goverment(that u really dont know alot about) and let me tell u they are not spies, this is another one of ur "conspiracy theorys" they are regualar, citzens. hassoun nothing more nothing less

^^ok,wait untilll the government that ur money comes from,which is ( UAE ) that u HAVE to respect,since without it u'll be nothing,they say why they r kicking ur hizbis out of the country,same as ur country Lebanon,while on the other hand , u pretend to know everything and worship Hizbak ,prefer it over both Lebanon and UAE,Way to go.

eh mbala ??? la shu na3mil muhafazat ??? balayon ??
w lashu na3mil 2akdiyi w ta2simit w maba3rif shu ??? bala hal habal ???
w bala l7dud ??? la shu ykun 3ina 7dud lal jomhiriye ?? balayun...useless ???
w bala ljomhoriye aslan ???? shu badna fiya ???
bala ldawle ??? w bala lshar3iyi ??? w bala dostor ???


this is how u sound like

again......i will not enter the quarrel...my post is not directed to any party.....it is directed to lb.fr ONLY !!!

and plz hassoun (with all respect) dont drag me into this !!!:ohno:
i just wanted to correct a mistake....that's it

Martyr thanks for the clarification, as for jader, you know it's funny when someones tries to make fun of others while he himself is wrong, i know where nabatieh is thank you for trying to teach me, but it seems you don't even know that nabatieh is a different gorvernorate than the south, and this why i named both specifically, and this actually rises the question of who should get an education about the south, just like Hassoun said you wanna argue for the sake of arguing.

Once again it seems like you do not understand a word i'm saying, even though it's simple English, and since you're a Lebanese-American, you should have no problem whatsoever understanding it. I never compared the scenario of the middle east or Lebanon to communism hehe, all i said hezballah and Iran use exactly the same sentences that the communists used to raise fear of Americans amongst their mass and supporters, whereas it turned out that the communists were the evil and wrong ones, and again Iran uses the same propaganda against America whereas the Iranian regime is the worst regime on the face of the planet. And again i never said in my post that America of any other country should take over and enslave us, (seriously have you been reading what i said hehe) all i said is that the propaganda used by iran and hezballah is just lies to keep the people blinded to the awful truth that they are the evil ones and not the Americans, and yes of course Lebanon is way better off dealing with the USA rather than dealing with Iran, i mean name me one country in the world that the USA does not interfere in, starting by Russia and the EU and not ending by Venezuela and Cuba, so seriously where does Lebanon stand in the balance of powers that hezballah wants to face the American projects for the world and the middle east, and you are waiting for the US administration to look in equal and fair eyes to the palestinians ?? who said i care about palestine or the palestinians, my country's name is Lebanon last i checked, and this 10452km piece of land is all what matters to me and nothing else, so if you wanna free palestine don't do it at my expanse go free it from iran or syria. And you wanna know when syria was a puppet for the americans, hehehe ok that's the best part, let me see ..... well is that when the americans gave an order to the syrians to enter lebanon in 1975 and squash the PLO ?? no no no, probably it's when they told the syrians you help us in the first gulf war and you get to keep lebanon under ur occupation, and of course lets not forget when the conflict rose between the US and syria after the 9/11 and when the bush administration was really considering attacking syria after Iraq, but please tell me again who was the first to protest on such a plan, let me see let me see yeah it was definitely OLMERT.
And for the love of the lord, stop telling me Lebanon forsake the south, have you ever heard of the " RED LINES AGREEMENT " gosh what do you know about war in Lebanon ? have you ever heard of it, the agreement between the syrians and the israelis , that states that the syrian forces are to keep the part that's to the north of the Litani and the israeli forces are to keep the part to the south of it, geez dude go read some history, and you want me to tell you the kind of oppression i have been under, where do you want me to start, by syrian troops killing 2 of my cousins and thousands of other Lebanese, or by raping thousands of Lebanese women, or by keeping thousands of Lebanese detainees until this very moment in their prisons, or by humiliating me and my family and thousands of other families every time we passed by a searching point, or by killing 2 Lebanese presidents and 2 prime ministers and the many deputies and ministers and political and intellectual figures, or by killing the Lebanese economy and stealing every penny from lebanon, the list goes on forever, please tell me who is the selfish when you call some1 who did all this an ally and you're so proud, and try for once to understand that i am a shi'ii too and just like the israeli is my enemy as well as he is yours, you are obliged to admit that syrian is your enemy as well as he is mine, and until u do that you're the one who has no right to say anything about selfishness or about anything else .

:bow:

Firstly, lebkm thats clarify some things u said 1st "once again i talk about facts and provide evidence and all you can come up with is some poetry, well let me break it down to you dear friend, the shi'ii community is not only about your "JNOUB", there are 210.000 shi'i in the jnoub and another 290.000 in nabatieh out of a total number of 850.000 all over Lebanon."

U specifically pointed out that the shia population is not only in the jnoub, but also in the nabitieh. Correct me if im wrong, this sentence could not only, and most of the time will not be interpreted ur way.

2nd "And please be kind to tell me how does a country become a playpen in the hands of the west, i remember that the communist regimes in eastern europe used to threaten their people from the USA and the IMPERIALISM using the same phrases, be aware of becoming a puppet for the USA, the americans will take over ur countries and they will enslave you, but what i see is that after the fall of the communist regimes and once the eastern european countries have fallen in the hands of the bad evil americans, these countries have grown an economy, they have built stronger armies, they have created more liberty and freedom of speech, they have advanced technologically and scientifically and culturally"

Lebkm u are cleary without a doubt comparing lebanon becoming a playpen to the west, with other countries that have done the same thing, and the positive things that have resulted. Believe it or not, ur statements are not clear, and can obvisouley be interpreted in a different way. And once again i say, and like i said in my first comment, the only thing i agree with in the syrian, and iranian regime is the fact that, stand up for shias(im not going to start with what happened to shias, u should refrence back) while march 14, and saad harriri that like i pointed out before doesnt care about the devolpment, or well being of his country and cares more about himself. March 14 as a whole is the selfish people of lebanon, as they have done nothing, will never do anything, and dont care about their country. And the whole syrian oppression, is going away from the roots of this debate, and what i am arguing with u about. Let me give u a refresher, the aurgument started with u pointing out that hezbollah supporters and shias, are the roots of the problems in this country. Than i came to tell u that march 14 are the problems of lebanon. March 14 x March 8, if u want to talk to about syria talk about it with hezbollah not what is has done with rafic harriri, when i already told u i was a supporter of him becuase of his beliefs, and his contributions to all parts of the Lebanese.

"they", "we", "they", "we".... aslan dear Hassoun, CHOU 5AS HEZEB ALLAH BI GOGHRAPHIET LEBNEN???

w ba3den "jnoub" w "mou7afazt el jnoub" ABADAN MICH NAFS EL CHI, be3tezer ya "map freak" ; bas fi chi esmo "nord, sud, est, ouest, w fi chi esmo "mou7afaza", w mse2beh enno el mou7afaza bi esem el georgraphique place of the manta2a, bass baddak t2elleh enno Los Angeles mich bi jnoub usa coz it's in Caifornia masalan???

"there are 210.000 shi'i in the jnoub and another 290.000 in nabatieh out of a total number of 850.000 all over Lebanon." did you see me naming any other part of Lebanon where there is a shi'i presence ? i specifically named the south and nabatieh because they're two governorates that are part of the same geographical area, this is clearly why i did not mention beirut or baalback/hermel etc...

AS for the second statement, for the million times all what i am saying is that all what hezballah says about the USA taking over lebanon and enslaving its people is no more than propaganda and lies, for there is no such thing as America swallowing up countries, and when hezballah accuses the 14th of march to be puppets for the US, and that the 14th of march are executing the american plans in Lebanon, this is pure nonsense, because as i said earlier it's just propaganda.

And now i see that you don't wanna talk about the syrian oppression anymore, well of course because you have nothing to say, and there is nothing that you can actually say, and you cannot just say i am an ally with syria and iran because they help the shi'a, i am a shi'i too and hell they didn't help me with nothing they prosecuted me instead, and like i said earlier they're helping you why exactly because they just love you? they're doing charity work ? and if you wanna go back to where this whole debate started, gosh stop putting words in my mouth, when did i say the shi'a cause all the problems in lebanon, i was referring to one bloody incident and that's the cancelling of the carnaval, and i said this is not the first time hezballah does such a thing, and then u came on telling me that saad is a puppet for saudi and 14th of march are corrupted, i never even wanted to talk politics in the first place.

^^Man, I ddin't/don't even read your posts! I was only replying to those who were saying that the city of Nabatiyyeh was not part of South Lebanon (region). And you are bringing up Hezbollah, Syria, USA, and I don't know what.... :?:?

edit: you were replying to Jader ? :? I thought you were talking to me...

yeah it's alright ..

"they", "we", "they", "we".... aslan dear Hassoun, CHOU 5AS HEZEB ALLAH BI GOGHRAPHIET LEBNEN???

w ba3den "jnoub" w "mou7afazt el jnoub" ABADAN MICH NAFS EL CHI, be3tezer ya "map freak" ; bas fi chi esmo "nord, sud, est, ouest, w fi chi esmo "mou7afaza", w mse2beh enno el mou7afaza bi esem el georgraphique place of the manta2a, bass baddak t2elleh enno Los Angeles mich bi jnoub usa coz it's in Caifornia masalan???

Who the f*** said that nabaitye wasn't in the southern portion of lebanon ????

when leb10452 said that there are X shi3as in the "jnub" , i thought he meant the entire south portion of lebanon (sour, saida, bint jbel, nabatiye...)
but when he added "and Y shi3as in nabatiye", i directly understood that he meant the "NABATIYE GOVERNORATE" and the "SOUTH LEBANON GOVERNORATE"......his point was crystal clear
however, jader misunderstood that point and leb10452 wasn't online to explain...so i interfered just to clarify the point ....mish 2aktar wala 2a2al

this is all i said...nabatiye city is in the general southern area of lebanon....but it is not in the "South Lebanon Governorate", it is the capital of "Nabatiye Governorate"..........this is what i meant and what hassoun and leb10452 were trying to say (not defending anyone...just clarifying)

aaaahhh thank you guys... whenever i feel down and i m missing lebanon, some lebanese people always remind me of how lucky i am not to be living there.....

So the only use of those useless UN troops is that they stimulate the economy by buying goods in our markets :lol:

i was reading through the posts and I remembered a photo I took this summer...
They really do stimulate the economy haha

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^^ lol :lol: 3 UN vans

^^ Sad, but very true :ohno:

Lebkm, there is no point in arguing about who brang in the politics, becuase i think that when u insult a religious sector in lebanon, and than state that u ment to insult hezbollah- this to me is defiantly political. And u obviosuley will not open up.

And i already told u that i only agree with the portion of the syrian regime, that stood up for the shias, that......im not going to repeat myself, and im not going to try convince u about points, that i have already elaborated on in previous posts. And no they are not doing charity work.(i also elaborated on this earlier)
And lebkm, i am not putting words in ur mouth, and there is no evidence that i did. and if u truly believe this please direct to where i did.

^^ That's a really good photo! Someone should send that to CNN and maybe they could use it as file footage for UNIFIL.

Azerbaijan jails two Lebanese for embassy plots
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BAKU — An Azerbaijani court on Monday found two Lebanese men guilty of plotting attacks on the Israeli and US embassies in the capital Baku, jailing them for 15 years each, a court spokesman said.

"Lebanese citizens Ali Karaki and Ali Najmeddin were sentenced to 15 years each," a court spokesman told AFP.

He said they were convicted of preparing attacks on the Israeli and US embassies, as well as the strategic Gabala missile-detection radar station in the north of the country.

Four Azerbaijani citizens were sentenced for between 15 and 12 years in prison.

The group was linked to Lebanese Shiite militant group Hezbollah, the Al-Qaeda network, and Iran's powerful ideological army the Revolutionary Guards, the court spokesman added, without giving further details.

The Los Angeles Times reported last May that the group had planned to set off three or four car bombs simultaneously around the Israeli embassy, which is in a business tower that houses other embassies and the offices of top foreign companies.

The newspaper quoted Israeli and Western officials as saying the planned attack was part of broader efforts by Hezbollah and Iran to target Israeli facilities abroad.

The defence counsels denounced the sentence as not supported by evidence and walked out of the session in protest.

"We believe that the court made its decision based on personal opinions rather than on facts and evidence," lawyer Vugar Khasiev told AFP.

"The sentence is not just and will be challenged in other judicial instances, including in the European Court of Human Rights," he said.

Azerbaijan, a mainly Muslim country of 8.7 million on the Caspian Sea, has warned of a rising threat from Islamic militants, though critics allege it uses spectre of extremism as a cover for persecuting political opponents.

Two Lebanese charged in plot to murder Gadhafi
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Friday, October 02, 2009

BEIRUT: Two Lebanese citizens and a Libyan fugitive were accused on Thursday of attempting to murder the Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, said security sources. The suspects justified their actions by saying they were seeking revenge for the kidnapping of Shiite Imam Moussa Sadr and his companions.

Military Examining Magistrate Fadi Sawwan accused the two Lebanese suspects, who had planned to murder Gadhafi by sending him explosive substances through the mail last June, the sources said. A Palestinian accomplice was in charge of placing the explosive in the mail, and an investigation was launched to identify him. The Lebanese suspects were planning on sending the package to Libya.

The package, however, was found and confiscated by Lebanese General Security, the sources said. The suspects could face hard labor for life. They were also accused of terrorist activities and were referred to the permanent military court.

– The Daily Star

shi be charref walla!!
Our Lebanese passport keeps getting higher on the international black list :rant:

They sure know how to make us feel proud!

i was reading through the posts and I remembered a photo I took this summer...
They really do stimulate the economy haha

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They dont have good taste..... they should have gone shopping at ABC Mall

They sure know how to make us feel proud!

Hell yea they would have made us feel proud if they did what they intended to do with Gadhafi..hahaha

LMFAO...i still can't believe that he proposed to the UN a brake up of the swiss country

did you know he can't even come to Lebanon now! he once attempted, but 7araket amal went crazy and surrounded the airport

So basically the leb passport is like on the same level as say, the afghan one at this point lol...thanks to these idiots who go around the world plotting to murder people and setting off bombs! 3an jad...shi bi bakké ya 3aybesshum...

mixed updates:

Syrian newspaper Al-Watan reported on Tuesday that Lebanon would face security threats from both Arab extremist groups stationed in Palestinian refugee camps and “Lebanese Forces militias” as part of a US-Israeli plot.

The upcoming security breaches would “prevent Palestinian refugees from returning [to their homeland] and advocate their naturalization in Lebanon,” reported the daily, adding that they would obstruct the formation a national-unity cabinet.

The daily also said that the US administration will not allow the majority and the opposition to reach an agreement before the first round of negotiations between the West, Syria and Iran.

Resuming negotiations with Iran means to “favor political solutions over war,” said Al-Watan, unlike some Lebanese officials’ expectations of an imminent war on Tehran as promoted by the US and “certain Arabs.”

“Regional and international developments are heading toward new equations that would put an end to the need to keep Lebanon unstable,” said the daily, while highlighting the efforts of the US administration to contain its “failure” in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The daily also praised President Michel Sleiman and his insight that “captured the essence of the regional and international developments,” adding that Sleiman knows that dialogue with Iran and openness to Syria are the current trends in US and European foreign policy in the region. He is “fully aware” of the progress made in Syria’s relationship with the West, the daily said.

It added that Sleiman, who is “aware of Lebanon’s political and sectarian make-up,” announced that he will only endorse a national-unity cabinet, which would hamper the “extremist attempts to impede the emerging understanding between Change and Reform bloc leader MP Michel Aoun and Prime Minister-designate Saad Hariri by launching a smear campaign against Telecommunications Minister Gebran Bassil.”

Al-Watan added that “influential parties” asked Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Boutros Sfeir to support Sleiman, a reference to Sfeir’s rhetoric on appointing defeated candidates in the new cabinet.

-NOW Lebanon

n an interview with Al-Jazeera television on Monday night, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Mouallem said that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s decision to participate in the summit that was held in Riyadh last month as well as his recent initiative to meet with Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdel Aziz contributes to regional stability and to bridging the gaps between disputing countries.

“The lack of dialogue widens the gap between Arab countries,” Mouallem said, adding that “Syria can play a role in eliminating the reasons for concern, while Saudi Arabia can ease Syria’s concerns over certain issues.”

Mouallem voiced fear over a possible hostile military activity in the region, highlighting the significance of dialogue in resolving problems, “since we have deep concerns that Israel will drag other countries to war and involve Iran in a confrontation to escape peace.”

“The lack of trust between Iran and the West remains the main problem,” he said, warning that any war in the region would have dangerous consequences on all countries.

Mouallem commented on the Syrian-Israeli negotiations, saying that the “peace process would only become possible if Israel responds to our demands, and Syria is not ready to waste its time in futile negotiations.”

He also touched on the Syrian-US relationship, saying that “the US administration is interested in” Syria's Deputy Foreign Minister Faysal al-Mekdad’s visit to Washington last Tuesday, “ especially since it was the first visit to Washington by a Syrian official in more than eight years,” describing the visit as a “good step, which should be built upon.”

He added that Damascus has agreed with Washington that their bilateral relationship should be exclusive to the two parties and not a “hostage to [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu or any other regional country.”

He also said that Damascus’ deliberations with the US proved that the Iraqi-Syrian conflict that followed the bombings in Baghdad last August has not affected the US-Syrian relationship.

“The circumstances have changed, and the reason is that Iraq does not have evidence of Syria’s involvement in the bombings,” Mouallem said, adding that Syrian officials have heard from many UN members that the accusation was political.

On the Iranian nuclear program, Mouallem said that Syria refuses the use of nuclear power for military purposes, saying, “We have objected to Israel’s possession of nuclear weapons and submitted a draft resolution to the UN to turn the Middle East into a demilitarized region.”

“We have never mediated between Iran and the West,” however, this does not prevent us from currently playing such a role, he added.

-NOW Lebanon

Lebanon Armenians up in arms over planned Turkey deal
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Lebanese-Armenians demonstrate outside the Metropolitan Hotel in Beirut

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Lebanese riot police clash with demonstrators outside the Metropolitan Hotel

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A Lebanese Armenian woman signs a petition against Armenia's plans to establish diplomatic ties with Turkey

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Lebanese soldiers stand guard at a demonstration outside the Metropolitan Hotel in Beirut

Look how professional our army looks :cheers: (last pic)



BEIRUT — Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian was greeted by thousands of angry demonstrators as he arrived in Lebanon on Tuesday to discuss with the local Armenian community plans to establish ties with Turkey.
The demonstrators -- men, women and children -- carried placards that read "no to the agreements" and "the blood of Armenians not up for sale" as they marched outside Sarkisian's hotel on the outskirts of Beirut.
Some demonstrators clashed briefly with anti-riot police who had deployed around the hotel, and a handful of people were lightly injured by batons, an AFP correspondent said.
Sarkisian's short stop in Beirut is part of a week-long international trip aimed at calming concerns among the Armenian diaspora over Turkish-Armenian efforts to normalise relations.
But such plans have angered many in Lebanon's 140,000-strong Armenian community, mostly made up of the descendants of those who survived massacres in eastern Anatolia under Ottoman rule almost a century ago.
"After nearly 100 years of fighting for our cause, how can our enemy become our friend in the blink of an eye," asked a visibly angry Koko Marashlian, a store owner in Beirut's Armenian neighbourhood of Burj Hammud.
Hagop Pakradounian, one of six Armenian deputies in Lebanon's parliament, said the community was all for improved ties between Armenia and Turkey but not at any price.
"This issue concerns Armenians worldwide and not just those in Armenia," Pakradounian told AFP.
"We are not talking about a simple economic accord between two countries but a historic one that concerns each Armenian family, whatever its nationality," he said.
Community members have drawn up a petition condemning the agreements set to be signed later this month between Turkey and Armenia on establishing diplomatic ties.
Stores in Burj Hammud also shut down on Tuesday afternoon in protest.
"We remember, we demand, we refuse," read placards put up throughout the neighbourhood, where Armenian patriotic music blared.
"These agreements will sound the death knell of our cause," store-owner Marashlian said. "As descendants of those exiled, we are the main victims of these agreements."
Keborg Abajian, 55, who runs a coffeeshop, said he was ready to take up arms to prevent the normalisation of ties.
"I will shut down my shop to go fight so that our martyrs are not forgotten," he said. "We want to recover our land. My ancestors owned huge plots of land in Urfa," in southeast Turkey.
Some members of the younger generation, however, appeared to adopt a more conciliatory tone, saying it was time to move on.
"The state of Armenia has made a decision and who am I to decide what is best for its people," asked jeweller Haig Asmarian, 34. "My grandfather still has the titles to his property but it's time to turn the page.
"And who knows, maybe this will benefit Armenia economically."
Armenians say up to 1.5 million of their kin were systematically killed between 1915 and 1917 as the Ottoman Empire was falling apart.
Turkey rejects the genocide label and argues that 300,000-500,000 Armenians and at least as many Turks died in civil strife when Armenians took up arms against their Ottoman rulers and sided with invading Russian troops.
Sarkisian's tour has also included stops in France and the United States and was to conclude in Russia. - AFP

you guys heard about what happened in ain el remenneh ??

^^ What happened?

For the love of goddddddddddd, Armenians at home want to get over it and get along with the turks and Armenians in Lebanon are still protesting and refusing :bash: don't we have enough problems already that even Armenians want to demonstrate now every time a Turkish politician or even a Turkish singer shows up in Lebanon, and now they're demonstrating against the Armenian president ... gosh i wish this country would be free one day of all non-pure Lebanese ... makes me sick!!

some guys went from Shiah to Ain el remmeneh, destroying properties making troubles, and it resulted the death of George Abou Madi 28 years who was stabbed three time, and another 4 injured Mazen metri 17 years, Jean-Pierre Habib 18 years, Mousa Abd-alahad 17 years, and salim mershid 23 years....

For the love of goddddddddddd, Armenians at home want to get over it and get along with the turks and Armenians in Lebanon are still protesting and refusing :bash: don't we have enough problems already that even Armenians want to demonstrate now every time a Turkish politician or even a Turkish singer shows up in Lebanon, and now they're demonstrating against the Armenian president ... gosh i wish this country would be free one day of all non-pure Lebanese ... makes me sick!!

Excuse me what the hell is pure lebanese supposed to mean? I am armenian-lebanese and i feel very Lebanese thank you very much...keep your narrow minded comments to yourself next time.

hey i didn't mean to offend you nor Armenians in Lebanon, Armenians have given a lot for Lebanon, and i have many friends who are Armenians and they're just amazing people, and what makes someone a pure Lebanese is the choices he makes and the love he gives to this country, i wasn't referring to pure Lebanese as in blood or something like that, i was just talking about those who were actually born and raised in Lebanon and have the Lebanese citizenship, and yet they refuse to put Lebanon on their top priorities, and you can't deny that some Armenians are like that, hell even so many Lebanese are like that, but what i meant is that there are 5 million Lebanese living in Brazil and most of them have become Brazilians, yet i don't see them demonstrating every time an Israeli politician goes to Brazil .. you get my point ?

yeah you saved yourself ;)...I get what you mean, it just bugs me ALOT when some dumbasses (in Lebanon) ask me if i can read arabic...I mean for christs sake what do they think we study at school and how to they think we do the government exams in high school? Coming back to your point, I agree...I wouldn't go protesting, those must be some people with a lot of time on their hands, plus I think it's up to the Armenian gov't to decide what to do since they are directly concerned with turkey sharing borders and everything...I think it's a good step fo armenia let's hope some good comes out of it.

exactly that's my point ... I mean it's time to move on, it's like the Germans almost exterminated the French during WWII and now they're more than allies they are part of the same economic, political and cultural unity, another example the Americans and the Japanese... wars have always existed and will always exist between nations, but wars are supposed to be temporary not forever.

yea but there needs to be recognition of the Armenian genocide. Over a million Armenians were wiped out and driven out of their historic homeland. If the genocide is recognized by Turkey then yes there should be good relations. Germany admitted to the holocaust and the autrocities they committed throughout Europe, Turkey can easily do the same

^^They would never do that I think...they SHOULD but they won't because with that comes compensation!! Wether it be money or land...lots of land!!

Legendary US film director Francis Ford Coppola landed in Lebanon on Tuesday to say his eyes were open to the possibility of making a film about the country.
"I don't know if you can expect a motion picture [on Lebanon] by Francis Ford Coppola, but my eyes are open," he told reporters.

Coppola, 70, is the star attraction at the Beirut International Film Festival, which opens on Wednesday with a screening of his latest production "Tetro," the story of two brothers reunited after a 10-year separation.
Best known for his trilogy "The Godfather," Coppola advised young local directors to find their own voices and tell their own stories.

The multiple Oscar-winning director said he was particularly looking forward to trying Lebanese wine and food, especially the chickpea-based dip hummus, on his first trip to the tiny Mediterranean country.
The October 7-14 festival will also host acclaimed filmmaker Ang Lee, 65, who will attend the screening of his latest film "Taking Woodstock" at the closing ceremony on October 14.

Lee's works include award-winning films "Brokeback Mountain" and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon."

The film will showcase some 40 international films, including features, documentaries and short works by Arab directors.

Experimental films are set to make a strong show this year alongside eight full-length feature films by directors from across the Arab world.

-AFP/NOW Lebanon
:cheers::cheers:

Eight hurt in north Lebanon grenade blast :guns1:

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TRIPOLI, Lebanon — Eight people were wounded, one seriously, in a grenade explosion targeting a coffee shop in the northern Lebanese port city of Tripoli, a security official said on Wednesday.
The blast took place in the Jabal Mohsen neighbourhood and was followed shortly afterwards by a second grenade explosion in the nearby district of Bab Al-Tebbaneh, the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AfP.
He said no one was injured in the second blast.
The army immediately boosted its presence in the area and cordoned off the main thoroughfare that cuts between the two neighborhoods.
The area was the scene last year of deadly sectarian clashes between Sunni supporters of Lebanon's Western- and Saudi-backed parliamentary majority and rivals from the Alawite community supported by Syria.
Late on Tuesday, one person was stabbed to death and four others were wounded in sectarian clashes that broke out overnight in Beirut's southern suburbs, an army spokesman said.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the spokesman told AFP on Wednesday that the violence pitted youths from the mainly Shiite district of Shiyah against residents of the nearby Christian area of Ein el-Rommaneh.
"Young men on scooters came from Shiyah and began circling near a restaurant in Ein el-Rommaneh," the spokesman said. "A heated exchange with local residents ensued and knives were used leaving one dead and four injured, all from Ein el-Rommaneh."
The clashes took place in an area that was the first line of demarcation during the 1975-1990 civil war.
They also took place as Lebanon grapples to form a government four months after a general election that saw a Western- and Saudi-backed coalition clinch victory over a Hezbollah-led alliance backed by Syria and Iran.

aaaahhh thank you guys... whenever i feel down and i m missing lebanon, some lebanese people always remind me of how lucky i am not to be living there.....

Oh don't worry, in Lebanon you don't really meet people as ignorant as.....let me not mention any users

they are usually more sane....it is only the people in this thread who think they own Lebanon, and its opinions.

http://www.lebanese-forces.com/ar/artde.asp?newsid=63628

This is what the allies of hezballah and the 8th of march think of Lebanon ! Must Read !

I might be LF..I still dont read there news...plus its arabic I cant read arabic.

^^ Here it is roughly translated;

"Homeland" of Syria: Why not return to Lebanon to Syria?


I know it is not easy. The difficulty is not individually for the Lebanese.

Though difficult wears a soft but with the essence of a complex in Lebanon.

Are not individually because the Arab world is filled with solutions to difficult sites Arabs but the logical and realistic.

Vision is more than suggest the possibility of practice and often suggest is to keep the imagination or passion for entering into what is a realistic suggestion Such a practice is only a dream.

I know that the difficulty is with regard to Lebanon the same view was expressed that the Gulf States need to unite in one state as long as many matches, including, or Another view sees the importance of returning to Sudan over Egypt intervened in a political reality and economic order was before.

And also the hardest to say what would prevent the Arab world to be governed by collective decisions of the Arab League.

But Lebanon Privacy different risk.

Gulf countries safe and cooperative if they are collected within a single state.

Sudan would get rid of a hobby «coup» and returned to the objectivity of the old Arab country that respects the best methods of government to free itself, which is in it.

The problem of Lebanon, it is difficult to do when the Government able to lead everyone within its borders, because the people who are different within these borders are the positions of particular governments and special interests, inherited the task of divisions over many years made their own gain can not access them if «surrender» of public government .

When we reflect on Lebanese history, we find that peace in the country through the last forty years at least not in the stage of «truce» temporary and followed by civil war as if it were a legitimate act is preparing for it and preached it through the creation of justification.

Is a difficult task when you say why not return to Lebanon to Syria, where the strong rule in Syria is able to melt the multiplicity of governments inside and, in this solution difficult, would benefit primarily Syria, but Lebanon is the first beneficiary, and with a not insignificant number of Arab investors who have faced severe losses in the country of his army and security organs of multiple loyalties, and will be drawing on Arab tourists is the restoration of other important geographical sites swallowed by oblivion.

"The Sykes-Picot" is dismissed, why not return Arabism?

Mystery over 18.5 billion dollar fortune reportedly sent from Iran to Lebanon

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Al-Arabiya television reported online that mystery remains over the 18.5 billion dollar fortune sent by truck from Iran to Lebanon, which was confiscated by Turkish customs, who then deposited the foreign currency and gold at the Turkish Central Bank.

The report added that the payload was discovered on October 7, 2008, but the news remained secret until now.

A source close to Iran was quoted by Al-Arabiya as saying that the fortune belongs to an Iranian merchant who wanted to invest it in Turkey, while an Iranian opposition source said the fortune was on its way to Hezbollah.

Al-Arabiya reported that the funds were originally meant to found a joint Lebanese-Iranian bank by the revolutionary guard in cooperation with Hezbollah in order to break the economic siege imposed on Iran.

-NOW Lebanon

Why would Hezbollah need 18.5 Billions dollars? isnt that like 20x more than what the Lebanese Armed Forces spend on there stuff every year?

Thank god It didnt get to Hezbollah.

^^ but 18.5 Billion! thats crazy

no shit....its crazy, The Iranian Goverment piss's me off. The president is a crazy man and a joke... They support Hezbollah not Lebanon arghhhh 18 fucking billion for hezbollah.

bas Turkey sho rawa2.. deposited it in their central bank ha!

better to go to them, then Hezbollah.

Guys Rumor has it that Ayatollah Khamenii has passed away ...

Mystery over 18.5 billion dollar fortune reportedly sent from Iran to Lebanon

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Al-Arabiya television reported online that mystery remains over the 18.5 billion dollar fortune sent by truck from Iran to Lebanon, which was confiscated by Turkish customs, who then deposited the foreign currency and gold at the Turkish Central Bank.

The report added that the payload was discovered on October 7, 2008, but the news remained secret until now.

A source close to Iran was quoted by Al-Arabiya as saying that the fortune belongs to an Iranian merchant who wanted to invest it in Turkey, while an Iranian opposition source said the fortune was on its way to Hezbollah.

Al-Arabiya reported that the funds were originally meant to found a joint Lebanese-Iranian bank by the revolutionary guard in cooperation with Hezbollah in order to break the economic siege imposed on Iran.

-NOW Lebanon

Why would Hezbollah need 18.5 Billions dollars? isnt that like 20x more than what the Lebanese Armed Forces spend on there stuff every year?

I highly doubt that anyone is crazy enough to send that much money by truck. It's obviously a rumor.

Especially that it's from Al Arabiyyah....they're worse than Future!

^^ Well i guess we should wait and see,Turkey announced it and not alarabiya.

Guys Rumor has it that Ayatollah Khamenii has passed away ...

It would be ALL over the news if this was true. They wouldn't/couldn't keep this a secret.

well i read it in the daily telegraph, nothing from my head ...

^^ Do u live in england??

Guys Rumor has it that Ayatollah Khamenii has passed away ...

If he did indeed die, it wouldn't matter. The people in charge now will either do away with Velayat e-Faqih, or they'll turn it into a ceremonial position. As nutty as it sounds, it'd be worse with him gone. Crazy, isn't it?

Three Israeli 'spy devices' blown up in Lebanon

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HULA, Lebanon: Three suspected Israeli spy devices have been blown up in south Lebanon, two detonated remotely by the Israeli army and one destroyed by the Lebanese army, a military official said on Sunday.
“One explosion occurred before midnight in a hilly part of the Hula border zone and a second happened in the same district [on Sunday] morning,” the official told AFP.
It “seems the two detonations were triggered by Israel which exploded two spying devices it had planted in the sector a long while ago,” she said.
Israel “feared for one reason or another that they might be discovered and proceeded to destroy them by exploding them remotely,” the official said.
Lebanese troops “located another device and exploded it on Sunday morning” after going to the area on Saturday night with UNIFIL peacekeepers, she added.
A security official in south Lebanon told AFP the devices were used for “surveillance of communications by the resistance,” referring to the Shiite Hizbullah movement.
The UN peacekeeping force said later it was aware of at least two explosions in the area, adding it had no reports of any injury. “Preliminary indications are that these explosions were caused by explosive charges contained in unattended underground sensors which were placed in this area by the Israel Army apparently during the 2006 war,” the peacekeeping force said in a statement.
“UNIFIL immediately launched an investigation to ascertain all the facts and circumstances relating to the presence of these devices and to establish how the explosions were triggered.” The Lebanese military official also said anti-aircraft guns fired at an “Israeli MK-type reconnaissance aircraft which violated Lebanese air space, overflying the southern region of Bint Jbeil.”
“The army fired because the aircraft was within range,” the official added.
The Israeli army said the Lebanese allegations “do not warrant a serious response. We will continue to act to maintain calm on Israel’s northern border.
“Hizbullah is once again trying to divert the attention of the international community from their continuous violations of UN Resolution 1701. Today’s incident proves Hizbullah’s military presence in southern Lebanon, particularly in rural Shiite areas near the Israeli border,” it said in a statement.
Lebanon has repeatedly complained of violations of its air space by Israeli aircraft in defiance of the UN Security Council resolution which ended Israel’s 2006 on Lebanon.
On October 12, a Lebanese man was wounded in a blast at a south Lebanon house occupied by a Hizbullah member.
Israel said the house was an arms depot but Hizbullah denied the claim and said a reaction between chemical products caused the blast.
Israel has protested to the Security Council. – AFP, with Mohammed Zaatari

We finally decided to fire at the Israeli Aircrafts violating Lebanese Airspace :applause:

Michel Hayek predicted that isreali jets will no longer be safe in Lebanon, good on the Lebanese army for finally defending Lebanon's air space.

^^ you seriously believe Hayeks crap?

wait a minute.. the Lebanese army have always fired at Israeli jets with their primitive anti-aircraft system (modadat ardeyye).. But never managed to cause any direct hits!

What I'd like to see is the LF working on it's defensive capabilities, perhaps some of those infrared-guided SAMs or even the laser-guided ones..

:drool:
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That would be nice...remember that our neighbours down south will never allow such things in Lebanon.

israeli craps. they invade our airspace, invade our seaspace, freakin spy on our ass. Then get pissed, off the world gets pissed off when palestains fire rockets at them. What a messed up world we live in. What a messed up country israel is.
they have broken the most un reasoulitions in the world.
walla with what they do they deserve 3 rockets every day.

^^ But there's still a a significant difference between spying and shooting...
If only the biggest danger from Hezbollah/Hamas/&*%$#* were spying... :tongue3:

I have nothing against Lebanese Army shooting down Israeli spy machines (in fact I would be happy to see such a power demonstration), but how can I be sure it will not serve exclusively Hezbollah (by shielding their military infrastructure and allowing their mobilization to start "you know what") ?

^^ Excellent point Northpole!

Northpole, isreali warplanes flying over the jnoub, poses no threat what so ever to hezbollah. And if a real conflict starts, the LAF obviously can not and will not be able to defend the country in any way. We all are happy when the LAF steps up, and exerts force. But u should understand there is no way possible for the lebanese army to "serve" hezbollah."

And a question for u. How does the laf, destroying Foreign spy machines mean they are serving hezbollah??

They are serving the safety of the civilians of their country, unless u enjoy israelis spying on u??

My country presents no threat to Israel (in fact our bilateral relations improved during last 20 years with an unprecedented pace). There's no reason for which Israel would spy my country (and even if it does, it's not so important as long as there's no military nor political dispute between our countries).

By helping Hezbollah I meant helping to build its military infrastructure out of Israeli sight. Lack of intelligence during conflict always means more civilian deaths (during last Israel-Hezbollah conflict less than 50% of underground infrastructure was destroyed).

I am sorry, but after what I have read here....

Allah ykhaleek ya Jader....SHOOO BADDAK FEEHON

Wallahi 7aram, you are debating with people that actually defend Israel to a certain degree just inorder to condemn Hezbollah and Hamas...is that what you want to debate?

Israel reinstalls transmission pole facing South Lebanon villages

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The National News Agency reported on Monday that a group of Israeli technicians reinstalled the transmission pole at the outskirts of the Israeli Misgafaam settlement facing the southern Lebanese towns of Oudayseh, Taybeh, Rab al-Thalathin and Markaba.

The NNA also stated that technicians are preparing to equip the pole with three broadcasting and wire-tapping devices in addition to surveillance cameras directed toward Lebanon.

The NNA also reported that more than 15 Israeli soldiers with two Hummer vehicles accompanied technicians working on the pole, which is more than 20 meters tall.

-NOW Lebanon

Yemen President Accuses Hizbullah of Training Rebels
Yemen president Ali Abdullah Saleh said that the Shiite northern rebels appear to have gone through combat training similar to that of Lebanon's Iran-backed Shiite Hizbullah militia, which fought a fierce guerilla war with Israel in the summer of 2006 in south Lebanon.
"They have been trained in the same manner followed by Hizbullah in South Lebanon," he said, pointing to unconfirmed reports of the presence of "trainers from southern Lebanon in Saada," the rebels' stronghold.

Saleh said that the Zaidi rebels are trying to establish a "Shiite zone" along the Yemen-Saudi border with the aim of harming both countries by taking money from Iranians.

"These are outlaws and terrorists... who are in the pay of foreign forces and execute a foreign agenda," Saleh said, according to a text issued on Monday by state news agency Saba of a television interview.

"Their finances come from certain Iranian dignitaries... but we do not accuse the government," he said, citing documents seized and confessions of rebels captured during the fighting between the army and the rebels, which has been raging since early August.

The Zaidi rebels, known also as Huthis, have repeatedly denied being backed by Tehran.

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki postponed a scheduled visit to Yemen on Sunday due to a scheduling problem.

Saleh also claimed that the Huthi rebels have ties with the Al-Qaida regional network, which has recently regrouped in Yemen, and with separatists in the south who are demanding their own breakaway state.

A link exists between Al-Qaida and the Huthis, and between them and the southern movement," he said.

"I do not think that they have the same agenda or the same principles, but they share the same adversary: the political system of the Yemeni republic," he added.

Hundreds of people have been killed or wounded since the army launched Operation Scorched Earth on August 11 with the aim of crushing the five-year rebellion.

Tens of thousands have fled their homes in the mountainous northern districts where fighting is fiercest, resulting in a humanitarian crisis complicated by a dire shortage of food and other basic necessities.(AFP)


Might as well blame Israel for this too!

^^^^ Melkart you are not worth arguing with. ur political views are ridiculous, and plain foolish. And above all sad. You over and over again fail to see, fail to see what has happened in the last 60 years. You have failed to see the absolute full blown aggression, full blown hostile belligerence behavior that israel have showed. I am, and will not give u a history lesson on how they tortured, raped, abused, shattered, ravaged the lebanese, and Palestinian, people in the last 60 years. Because it is not worth it. This forum is march 14, but i am sure that u are one of the few users here that caress, appreciate, and support the state of israel, and truly believe in their right mind, that they mean peace. And i WILL NOT have a conversation with a lebanese person who have these views. :bash::bash::bash:

Good riddence! I wasn't conversing with you to begin with! and I won't have a convesation with someone who supports terrorism! in any way shape or form!

^^^^ Melkart you are not worth arguing with. ur political views are ridiculous, and plain foolish. And above all sad. You over and over again fail to see, fail to see what has happened in the last 60 years. You have failed to see the absolute full blown aggression, full blown hostile belligerence behavior that israel have showed. I am, and will not give u a history lesson on how they tortured, raped, abused, shattered, ravaged the lebanese, and Palestinian, people in the last 60 years. Because it is not worth it. This forum is march 14, but i am sure that u are one of the few users here that caress, appreciate, and support the state of israel, and truly believe in their right mind, that they mean peace. And i WILL NOT have a conversation with a lebanese person who have these views. :bash::bash::bash:

As far as I can see all Melkart did was post a piece of news and expressed his opinion about it! Your paranoia and aggressiveness summarizes the ideology of the party your defending.

And right back at you.. You too fail to see what has happened in Lebanon in the last 60 years from the Syrians and Palestinians. No need to give a lesson about their torture, rape, human right abuse .. either!

Better yet, the bullet holes from May 2008 are still fresh and evident to your party's terrorism.

Perhaps I'm not one of those users who "appreciate" Israel, but I'm certainly don't care or support the state of "Hezbollah"

TERRORISTS, TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Are u serious u say hezbollah are terrorists you have the living guts to say we are the terrorists. U want to know who are the real terrorists man, u really do they are the american and israeli goverment. They are the american goverment, who have injected countries around the world with leaders, that use the country's natural resources, for american profit. The terrorists are the american goverment that has fucked up Iraq, and Afghanistan, for the profit of american contracting,construction etcc.. companys, and for the three letter word o-i-l. The real terrorists are the israeli barbarians who have ravaged the palestain people, kicked innocent children out of their home, and ordered their own people to move in minutes people. the terrorist are the people that occupied jnoub libnan, and killed random civilians at their state of minds, the terrorists are ones who have broke the most un resoulutions in the world by far,


Real terrorists are who dont let food,water,electricity,medicines, borders are closed in front of most aid trucks, the few trucks that have been allowed to cross the borders can't make their way to Palestinians houses because roads and streets are bombed and its impossible to drive through them... mmm what else? Hospitals are overstretched, Complete darkness all the time, smokes and fires everywhere, no one can sleep with the extremely noises bombardment and tanks, from a psychologically perspective, Palestinians are scared, children are crying, parents can't hide their own fear from their children, Israel keeps penetrating local radio and broadcast messages like "you have been abandoned, go to the city center" repeatedly to scare the shlt out of the civilians. You could see the tanks approaching from your house windows, if you go to hospital, you will see people lying on every inch covered with bloods, it is extermely common to see dads carrying their children and running to the hospitals, it is not uncommon to see children crying over the dead dads bodies. It is COMPLETE MESS!

Palestinians dont attack Israeli because they're Jewish, they're attacking them because Israel imposed blockades on Gaza's borders for years and haven't allowed medicine or food to get in !!! Israel never responded to International calls to open the borders. True Jews have condemned Israeli's attacks http://www.nkusa.org/

The real terrorists are people who throw palestains out of their homes, stole their houses, settled on their land, and called it their own...
Example: Israel has made this quote highly popular"If Canada would fire thousands of rockets at America, what would America do"?
Hamas would say the following "If Canada would take over America, kick americans out of their homes, call the stolen land Israel,and put the whole American population in Delaware,what would they do?

And how about lebanon HUUUUUUUUUUUH??????????
What about the shia who where devasted, stepped on ravaged, killed, blockaded, kicked out of hospitals, put in jail for no reason, do u know how much ruins where stolen from tyre??? My freind

ISRAEL ARE THE TERRORISTS!!!!

And please dont say that palestains got the lebanese back, when those that came to lebanon where PALESTAIN MILITIAS, not civilans. And rabih firstly sho khas hezbollah with what palestain militias and syrian army did to u guys.

And let me tell u what they did are worth 1/10000000000000000000000
what the israelis did to us. Did u go to the khiam jail, before israel destroyed to burn the evidence. Im sorry if the reply is to long, or if im to mad, but i will not stand by to hear melkart say that hezbollah are terrorists. Becasue people who do thing like that ^^ and are the true terrorists

And if any one of u guys want facts i will overload with facts, just tell me.

Hezbollah are the resistance the resistance of the true terrorism in this world. The ressistance of the country of war, the country of crime. And if it wasnt for them southern lebanon would be in the same shit it was in before.

Melkart when u say hezbollah are the terrorists it truly portrays, the ignorance, arrogance, stupidy, foolishness, and most of all selfishness, and blindness of ur party.(and thats a whole diffrent aurgument)
I will NOT accept u melkart to say that hezbollah are terrorists when the country u cherise are barbaric, and the biggest terrorists the world have seen, and ever will see.

here we go again, ok first calm down, secondly I feel like I need to express my opinion :), so let's start by the fact that I disapprove of anything Israel does basically and find it to be a very abnoxious, arrogant, disrespectful, survive by force state, but regardless that doesn't mean that i agree with hizballa policies, their military marches and how they challenge the state and its institutions, how they intice Israel to wage wars every couple of years, and how they think they are above the law for some reason and 'divine' as mr. Nasrallah so gracefully puts it, as a matter of fact nothing is 'divine' about Hizballa it's a paramilitary party/militia, who in some situations was able to defend Lebanon actually and drive the occupation out but unfortunately they've been milking that victory for far too long now and it's about time they let the state handle such matters. What I know is that Israel cannot be trusted, and we all know that Lebanon is a defenceless tiny country which should be left in peace to prosper, so what I propose is not making peace with Israel for now, but to be COMPLETELY neutral it is the only fucking way this country will breathe for a while, khalas ba2a no Iran no US no more BS, but good old neutrality like the good old times...we should learn a thing or two from Switzerland and learn how to be a little selfish for the sake of our own country and people, enough of wars and hatred and radicalism. So go ahead call me whatever you want, we all know that's what we need. period.

I think we should put all the israelis in the pacific ocean and declare a Palestinian Republic.

:):)

[PS: I love my new avatar..........How random!! :P]

^^
I agree with alot of what u said, my previous comment was driven by the fact that melkart says hezbollah are the terrorists while america and isreal are perfect. The thing is how can the jnoubis trust that israel will never repeat their atrocities when they obviously are still making history by breaking un resoultions every day. It is extremely hard to believe this when israel is the country it is!!

yarett ya leb.fr, maybe someday than we will all be happy :)

^^ Israelis are human beings just like evryone else. Not every Israeli citizen is a criminal. P.S: 20% of Israelis are arabs. Jader and LebFR you are propagating hate and prejudice towards one race as if they were all the same, that is unexceptable! How would you feel if I said all arabs or blacks should be dumped into the sea? this type of language should be banned from this forum. :ohno:

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Not every Israeli citizen is a criminal. P.S: 20% of Israelis are arabs.
[...]I know it was random, but still very funny :lol:

You are right melkart, what are they saying is form of racism.

BTW, I have no problems with terrorism supporters on SSC (discussing with my own clones would be deadly boring). Continuing the way of discussion, I'm big fan of biodiversity as long as it doesn't mean insects in my own bedroom ;)

israelis are human beings? I have many doubts on that statement you know...
I didn't want to start another endless conversation, but enta chou? Fik e7ses? You are Lebanon, yes or no? Yes you are. You are an arab, you belong to the middle east. You country has been destroyed by israel, you country's people have been killed by isreal, Palestine, that you should consider as a sister country, has been occupied by israel for the last 60 years, everyday Palestinians are killed, they have no right, israel is doing whatever it wants in Jerusalem and with Al Masjed Al Aqsa, and YOU DARE to question our position toward what is called israel? 3andak dam?? Bet faker? Bet 7ess?

But no, you absolutely don't care if 1000 palestinians are killed, you want to have peace with you israeli friends, after all palestine is not a state right? (cf. ironie) Wake UP! You are blinded by your hate toward Hezbollah, you allow yourself to say whatever you want about whoever, but you think that Lebanese talking about isreal this way should be tolerated?? Ask to ban me then. Report my post.

I am sorry to say this but you can't get lower.

israelis are human beings? I have many doubts on that statement you know...
I didn't want to start another endless conversation, but enta chou? Fik e7ses? You are Lebanon, yes or no? Yes you are. You are an arab, you belong to the middle east. You country has been destroyed by israel, you country's people have been killed by isreal, Palestine, that you should consider as a sister country, has been occupied by israel for the last 60 years, everyday Palestinians are killed, they have no right, israel is doing whatever it wants in Jerusalem and with Al Masjed Al Aqsa, and YOU DARE to question our position toward what is called israel? 3andak dam?? Bet faker? Bet 7ess?

But no, you absolutely don't care if 1000 palestinians are killed, you want to have peace with you israeli friends, after all palestine is not a state right? (cf. ironie) Wake UP! You are blinded by your hate toward Hezbollah, you allow yourself to say whatever you want about whoever, but you think that Lebanese talking about isreal this way should be tolerated?? Ask to ban me then. Report my post.

I am sorry to say this but you can't get lower.

LebFr I love Lebanon and I love my people. I even consider myself an arab. Having said that, my priority is Lebanon and not Palestine! murder is murder no matter who commits the crime, be it Israeli or a palestinian! but you can't go around saying let's throw them into the sea. when the hutus decided to slaughter the tutsis, they dehumanised them and refered to them as cockroaches, to justify there extermination. If you have an issue with the state of Israel than by all means criticise it all you want! but don't make racial attacks.

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Ask to ban me then. Report my post.

I am sorry to say this but you can't get lower.Drama queen :lol:
I don't need to report you. Yes, some of your posts can be good reason to ban you (EaYOR ≠ Sanctuary), but no one is here to chase you. If you think calling some nation names (or rocketing it) will help you, you are wrong and your situation (and situation of those thinking the same way) will not change. I hope the people responsible for Lebanese welfare know better ways.

I think we should put all the israelis in the pacific ocean and declare a Palestinian Republic.

:):)

[PS: I love my new avatar..........How random!! :P]


Are you calling for genocide? This language will not be tolerated. Please refrain from posting again in this thread.

You really take everything on the first degree don't you? Of course I am not calling for a genocide, it is an hyperbole, an exaggeration of "isrealis have to free the land called palestine and find themselves another place to live in/occupy/destroy".

Since everyone is expressing their thoughts, i believe i wanna do the same!
to start with, the state of Israel is built upon blood and fire, no doubt about this part, probably no country in the history of mankind has shown such brutality, hostility, arrogance and terrorism yes terrorism, I can never understand why when Israel commits mass genocides against unarmed and innocent women and children it's called self-defense, and when an Israeli soldier is killed or kidnapped it's called terrorism. I mean how is it possible that a country has the right to defend its civilians by killing another country's civilians? Now of course we have to separate the word Jews from Israelis, and the word Israelis from Zionists, for Jews are everywhere in the world including Lebanon itself, and not all Israelis are criminals or accept and tolerate the policies of the state of Israel and behave accordingly, meaning that our problem is with the decision makers in Israel and those who agree with their policies. this being said, I as a Lebanese cannot understand Jader and Leb.fr when they talk about the state of Palestine, and the rights of Palestinians, and that Palestine is a " SISTER COUNTRY ?????? " and what the Israelis are doing with Masjed al aqsa, I have said it before and i say it again, what the heck do i have to do with all that? who said i care or give a damn about what should be and should not be in Palestine, who said it is my duty as a Lebanese to achieve justice for All Arabs and Muslims, I mean of course i sympathize with the Palestinians but this is the most i can do, not to forget that Palestinians have destroyed my country and killed my people and raped our women, and caused us all the troubles and wars and disputes we've been having since they came to Lebanon, and how do i pay them back for that, by supporting them and fight their wars and deal with their shit. Seriously now, jader and Leb.fr, i have never seen you or anyone who supports Hezballah asking justice for those who are being murdered in Darfur, or any other place in the world, so obviously you do not want justice for the Palestinians because you care about human rights, but simply because it is a Muslim people fighting a non-Muslim state, well again and again i don't give a tiny rat's ass about Palestine, all what concerns me is how to keep my country and that is Lebanon and Lebanon alone, how to keep it safe, sovereign, independent and free from Israeli aggression and greed as well as Syrian who happen to be your allies.

One more thing, there is something that jader here keeps repeating, and it just shows and proves how selfish he is, in every contribution he makes, he says the word jnoub and jnoubis, whereas the south and the western Bekaa have been under Israeli occupation, and whereas Baalback/Hermel and all other cites with shi'ii presence have had their shares of Israeli hostility, not to forget that Baalback alone has given 800 martyrs of hezballah soldiers who were fighting in the south since 1983, but you never see him mentioning anything else than JNOUB... and the way he talks about what the Syrians did in Lebanon, it's like he's saying whatever the Syrians did " TO YOU GUYS " as if we're not his countrymen, is nothing compared to what Israel did to us, so as if he's saying i don't care about what you people have been into with the Syrians, i just care about us the jnoubi people, and let me tell you something who the heck gave you the right to say that what the Syrians did " what they did are worth 1/10000000000000000000000 " of what the Israelis did, Syrians were just as brutal, as criminal, as barbarian, as savage as hostile, as dirty, as immoral as the Israelis were in Lebanon. So just by having the party that represents you allying with the Syrians is the biggest treason against Lebanon and its people.

You are asking me why I care about Masjed El Aqsa? I will tell you why. It is because I am
1-Lebanese
2-Muslim
3-Mediterranean
4-French
5-Middle Eastern
6-Arab
7-...
I am not just Lebanese.
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And I don't support Palestine just because I am muslim and that it is muslim vs non-muslim. It is because PALESTINE happen to share borders with us, and those borders are in Jnoub, not Beirut or Trablos or Beiteddine.

I also may add that Europe is what it is today because of the European UNION. And I doubt the word Union exists in arabs' dictionaries.

well my friend, Jordan and Egypt (those you call traitors I don't know why though) have managed to keep their selves away from troubles, even though they too share borders with Israel, but guess what even Syria (THE ARAB FORTRESS OF RESISTANCE WITH OCCUPIED LAND) did the same and has been living side by side in peace with Israel, regardless what is happening in Palestine. and I know that the borders with Israel happen to be in the south, but read what i said again and you'll see that i didn't name Trablos or deir al-qamar or any other city that has not known the Israeli destruction. And trust me on one point, please don't compare Europeans to Arabs, the word unity for Arabs mean that the biggest and strongest countries should swallow up the smaller and weaker countries, so sorry if i'll pass to this kind of "UNITY".

Last i'll tell you why i don't care about Masjed al aqsa:
Because I am :
1- LEBANESE
2- LEBANESE
3- LEBANESE and that's all i would ever be

^^Thanks for that long post above...I completely and utterly agree, couldn't have put it better myself! It's nice knowing there are people who think like you in the midst of all the craziness :)

You are asking me why I care about Masjed El Aqsa? I will tell you why. It is because I am
1-Lebanese
2-Muslim
3-Mediterranean
4-French
5-Middle Eastern
6-Arab
7-...
I am not just Lebanese.
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And I don't support Palestine just because I am muslim and that it is muslim vs non-muslim. It is because PALESTINE happen to share borders with us, and those borders are in Jnoub, not Beirut or Trablos or Beiteddine.


We can't even solve our own problems and you want to help the Palestinians?

As Leb-It has said, I too couldn't agree more with Leb10452Km. You are truly a free thinking individual you have my respect!

Jader & Leb.Fr......sad2oone, 3am bit day3oo wa2itqon hon

lets get back to our terrorist activities in our terrorist bunkers in the Da7ye, yalla

As Leb-It has said, I too couldn't agree more with Leb10452Km. You are truly a free thinking individual you have my respect!

same here !!

Leb.it, Melkart and Ramazzotti, thank you guys.. i appreciate it

alisaleh i know i really know, but when someone posts a comment like the one as foolish as melkart posted, i cannot help myself but reply. i really cant. Firstly i would like to just reinforce how this aurgument started. Melkart claimed that hezbollah are the terrorists, while promoting that israel means peace. And melkart, and lebkm the reason i promoted the facts about what israel have done to the Palestinians was to reinforce the point to melkart, that the true terrorists in the equation are the israelis. Also, i would like to express my joy that u lebkm do not share the same "israeli fanatic" views as melkart. And about the jnoubi thing, i wholly did not mean to seperate shias that are living in different regions, as my comment was solely describing all shias that have been ravaged by israelis. That being said, i would like to divert back to the point that the Palestinians who endagered other lebanese, where militias. Melkart earlier made a point about how he claimed that me and leb.fr are the racist ones by not using terminolgy like the "idf, and their supporters" instead of plainey saying "israelis" well ure comment is completely double-faced, and reflecting your own self, as u always say the "Palestinians did this, and that to us" instead of pointing out the Palestine militias. yani shou palestain children where cutting our heads off?? and about ur point about the jews lebkm i completley agree with u and specificaaly pointed ur views out in my reply to melkart. when i talked about the diffrence between jews and zionists, and provided u with a link to a group of jews who denounce and disagree with the concept of israel. And my views about Palestinians, it in now means possible are because i share a mutual religion with them, it cannot be as i am half christian. It is because me being from khiam, and them being from Palestine we both have faced the terrorism that israel exhibits on a daily basis, that i have elaborated on in earlier posts. And u actually believing that portrays ur arrogance on the matter.

alisaleh i know i really know, but when someone posts a comment like the one as foolish as melkart posted, i cannot help myself but reply. i really cant. Firstly i would like to just reinforce how this aurgument started. Melkart claimed that hezbollah are the terrorists, while promoting that israel means peace. And melkart, and lebkm the reason i promoted the facts about what israel have done to the Palestinians was to reinforce the point to melkart, that the true terrorists in the equation are the israelis. Also, i would like to express my joy that u lebkm do not share the same "israeli fanatic" views as melkart. And about the jnoubi thing, i wholly did not mean to seperate shias that are living in different regions, as my comment was solely describing all shias that have been ravaged by israelis. That being said, i would like to divert back to the point that the Palestinians who endagered other lebanese, where militias. Melkart earlier made a point about how he claimed that me and leb.fr are the racist ones by not using terminolgy like the "idf, and their supporters" instead of plainey saying "israelis" well ure comment is completely double-faced, and reflecting your own self, as u always say the "Palestinians did this, and that to us" instead of pointing out the Palestine militias. yani shou palestain children where cutting our heads off?? and about ur point about the jews lebkm i completley agree with u and specificaaly pointed ur views out in my reply to melkart. when i talked about the diffrence between jews and zionists, and provided u with a link to a group of jews who denounce and disagree with the concept of israel. And my views about Palestinians, it in now means possible are because i share a mutual religion with them, it cannot be as i am half christian. It is because me being from khiam, and them being from Palestine we both have faced the terrorism that israel exhibits on a daily basis, that i have elaborated on in earlier posts. And u actually believing that portrays ur arrogance on the matter.


where in my statements did I say that Israel was a peaceful nation? Are you making things up as you go?

^^
I am not only talking about ur comment now, i am judging from comments that u have over, and over again stated that israel only mean peace, and have the right to do what they do.

Do u believe they are a peaceful country??

^^
I am not only talking about ur comment now, i am judging from comments that u have over, and over again stated that israel only mean peace, and have the right to do what they do.

Do u believe they are a peaceful country??

Obviously this is all in your mind! I never said such things, I don't think that Israel is a peaceful nation. I think they are looking for their own interests, and that sometimes they step on other people's toes to achieve their own objectives. Just because I have condemned Hisballah in the past for their actions doesn't mean that I am in favor of Israel! but as far as I am concerned I support my army and my country. Hisballah doesn't serve my interests it only serves one sect.. I want a Lebanon for all! Go Lebanese Army.

Obviously this is all in your mind! I never said such things, I don't think that Israel is a peaceful nation. I think they are looking for their own interests, and that sometimes they step on other people's toes to achieve their own objectives. Just because I have condemned Hisballah in the past for their actions doesn't mean that I am in favor of Israel! but as far as I am concerned I support my army and my country. Hisballah doesn't serve my interests it only serves one sect.. I want a Lebanon for all! Go Lebanese Army.

Thats shocking coming from u.:nuts:

thank god though

Hopefully our army will be strong one day, so that they can protect ALL sects of the lebanese population but until then, my trust and safety of my country is in the hands of Hezbollah!! :)

Jader our army will only be stronger if we support it. If we keep undermining it; it will never gain strength. Same concept goes towards a strong central governmnet. Switzerland has many different cantons, with various cultural differences, but they all unite under one banner, one armed force. A body has one head one brain.

I know it's by FoxNews so it's biased but interesting to know..
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Lebanese School Rips Pages From Textbook Critical of Hezbollah
Tuesday, October 20, 2009

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BEIRUT — A leading school in Lebanon was forced to remove pages from a history book said to describe Hezbollah as a terrorist organization after a Cabinet minister from the militant group complained, a state news agency reported Tuesday.

Hezbollah, which has fought Israel for more than two decades, is considered a resistance movement in Lebanon and rejects being labeled a terrorist group. It is active in the country's politics and holds one seat in the Cabinet and 11 in the 128-member parliament. Hezbollah also provides social services and runs schools and clinics.

The textbook has been used for seven years by Beirut's International College, a secondary school, said its president, John Johnson, according to the state-run National News Agency.

The book, "Modern World History," is printed in the United States, the daily As-Safir reported. The U.S. has branded Hezbollah a terrorist group. The newspaper said the book is taught to 8th grade students.

On Sunday, Labor Minister Mohammed Fneish, a Hezbollah member, complained about the book and called on the Education Ministry to take action against schools teaching it and remove it from the approved curriculum.

The education minister met with the school's president Tuesday to discuss the book, the state news agency reported. It quoted Johnson as saying the pages concerned were removed from the book.

Hezbollah's Al-Manar TV said the book described Hezbollah and the Palestinian militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad as terrorist organizations.

The National News Agency quoted Johnson as saying during Tuesday's meeting that the school does not have a particular political position and does not teach the Arab-Israeli conflict.

The International College was founded in 1891 in Smyrna, Turkey, and moved to Beirut in 1936. It shares its main campus with the American University of Beirut. It has 4,200 foreign and Lebanese students, including 800 at a second campus north of the capital.

Officials from the school could not be reached for comment.

I think the ic's goal is to completely remove politics from the school. My cousins go there and they have strict rules against saying a word about politics.

^^ How is it a complete education without study of politics???

^^the only thing the exclude is modern day lebanese politics.

Which is our problem with teaching modern Lebanese history in schools!! They don't have a book for it!

Banning politics from schools is not so good as one would think. Democracy is not something you get from Heaven at the day when you turn 18. Some civilized channels should be developed in schools (both private and public) to learn democracy (both political and social/NGO way). Of course any aggression should be removed from any school regardless of whether it's politically or personally motivated.

^^ I guess the issue is the impossible teaching without bias.

To all pro-Syrian "Lebanese"

Disputed land
Ana Maria Luca , October 21, 2009

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Google image of an earth berm erected by the Syrians inside the Ka‘a area. (Google earth)

The grey-haired service driver is a tall man in his 60s. A veteran of the Lebanese Armed Forces, he sits in front of the little shop next to his house in Il Ka’a, in northeast Lebanon, and is reluctant to talk with journalists. He even refuses to give his name.

There are problems in the village.

Not only with the Syrians, just nine kilometers away. The village council resigned three months ago due to “domestic problems” that nobody here wants to mention. It had to do with politics, villagers say, and the fact that the pro-Syrian opposition won the elections in the village.

Even so, Ka‘a has a long and troubled history with neighboring Syria, which invaded the village in 1978. On June 28 1978, the Syrian army rounded up at least 30 young men from the village; none of them were to return home. The villagers call it the Massacre, although representatives of the local municipality avert their eyes when asked about it, and refrain from accusing Syria. The Syrians continued to occupy Ka‘a for 27 years and though they officially withdrew from this area in April 2005, the villagers told the UN in 2007 that Syria maintained a presence, occupying over 15 square kilometers.

“There are no problems with the Syrian side,” the service driver insists. “They are cooperating with the Lebanese Army. We never fought over the land like they do in Arsal. Most of us have papers for the lands,” he adds. But as the conversation continues, his story begins to change.

“The Syrian army has a checkpoint a few hundred meters in to the Lebanese territory,” he suddenly remembers. “It’s at the stream.” The border area where he works is dangerous, he now says. “There is a village built there, on the border, on the land that used to belong to Il Ka’a. We call it Beit al Radi. There are Lebanese and Syrians living there. But it is dangerous for two women to go there. They might put the guns to your heads and steal your car!”

After we promise that his name will not be used, he rescinds his initial “no problem” story altogether. “Il Ka’a used to be 8 square kilometers and we now live in 1,5 square kilometers. The Municipality lost 80% of the land to the Syrians in time. They don’t always occupy by force. They marry Lebanese women and then they buy the land and register it on the wife’s name. That’s how the village of Beit al Radi appeared 9 km away from here. I work there, but for you it is dangerous to go.” The area is known for smuggling, he adds.

According to a report released in 2009, Syrian nationals currently occupy Lot No 7 of Ka‘a/Jiwar Ma’iya, which is near the village and is co-owned by several residents of Ka‘a.

Another report, released by the UN in 2007, said the Syrian army has maintained a checkpoint within the municipality of Il Ka’a. But representatives of the local municipality maintain there are no major problems with the border or Syria.

Syrians occupying and cultivating land inside Lebanon? It doesn’t happen in Il Ka’a, says the Qaim Makam, who has headed the local government since the municipality president resigned three months ago. He doesn’t look happy to have been cornered by journalists. “The problems in the region are about the Lebanese state lands cultivated illegally by villagers,” he says, carefully choosing his words. “They are both Lebanese and Syrians. As soon as the demarcation of border is resolved, the problems will be over. The Lebanese courts will issue verdicts on the Lebanese lands after the demarcation. The same will happen in Syria. It is all in the care of the Lebanese Syrian Higher Council!”

The Higher Council, however, has yet to convene. Its president, Nasri Khoury did not respond to repeated request for an interview. In August 2008, the presidents of Lebanon and Syria agreed to begin the work of the committee. Nothing has happened yet.

The neighbors of the service driver, who have gathered in front of his house, shrug their shoulders and stare at the ground. They can’t talk about it. “It is difficult to be against the political rule of the village. We need to be with them, in order to have peace and quiet,” the service driver says.

To all pro-Syrian "Lebanese"


That's provocation!

That's provocation!

What provacation? Does this article offends you?

^^Look at what I quoted. I don't get why we are lebanese when being pro-USA, but only "lebanese" when being pro-syria.

And don't say "look at what syria did to lebanon 5000 years ago".

And I don't care about the article (which I didn't bother myself to read), but the comment before it was unnecessary.

LOL, the intro comment was obviously provocative, but the article was interesting. After all I don't know if intermarrying with Lebanese women is in Lebanon illegal (even if the main reason for this is to live on Lebanese soil). Apparently Syrian women are not so sexy ;)

^^Look at what I quoted. I don't get why we are lebanese when being pro-USA, but only "lebanese" when being pro-syria.

And don't say "look at what syria did to lebanon 5000 years ago".

5000 years ago? how about now?

Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii !!!

US supplies LAF with equipment

The American Embassy in Lebanon issued a statement on Friday saying that the US supplied the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) in the past two weeks with eight Rigid Hulled Inflatable Boats “suited for coastal patrolling and counter-smuggling activities,” nine Humvee ambulances, 60 Humvee tactical military vehicles, and a fire truck.

According to the US, these contributions intend to strengthen the LAF and its capabilities to protect Lebano’s sovereignty.

-NOW Lebanon

yess, no more children inflatable pool boats u see in the laf commericals, and some "Rigid Hulled Inflatable Boats"

That's provocation!

ok,how about NBN displaying in the News bar today, ' AL RA2EES AL ASSAD YAZOR CROATIA AWA5ER AL SHAHR ' lol,why would i bother? he's not my president,that gives you an idea,if it's not then u r in a deep trouble,ya a5.

Also,i don't think America is occupying any Lebanese land,though i am not a Pro-USA person,but when Syria is occupying Lebanese land and u r proud to be a pro-syrian then u deserve the "Lebanese" and not the Lebanese word.

^^ and how about the 60 Humvee tactical military vehicles ? is that bad?

i remember nasrallah saying that iran would supply the LAF with some nice weapons whoever wins the election,and that was like 5 months ago. and well,u know,nothing happened there,lol.weapons just go to Hizbullah where it belongs to certain sect. in Lebanon,,mmmmmmm, whu do u think ? i'll leave it to ur brain.

What provacation? Does this article offends you?

Notice how in this thread, the sides are predetermined, no matter what the content/text a person posts. So if Hassoun says "The man went home" (just giving an example), Melkart agrees with it (as well as all of the other Pro-US users in here), without even knowing what Hassoun is talking about, or in this case, who the "man."

I noticed this when Melkart said "what provocation," clearly going on the defensive without thoroughly examining what Hassoun had said, because as Hezbollah Terrorist Supporters, our opinions are always wrong, and you guys are always right. And thats how life is, and thats how the earth spins huh?

^^ and how about the 60 Humvee tactical military vehicles ? is that bad?

i remember nasrallah saying that iran would supply the LAF with some nice weapons whoever wins the election,and that was like 5 months ago. and well,u know,nothing happened there,lol.weapons just go to Hizbullah where it belongs to certain sect. in Lebanon,,mmmmmmm, whu do u think ? i'll leave it to ur brain.

Um the other day you screamed at Abdullah for posting an article that had nothing to do with POLITICS, but this clearly is what YOU post.

Besides, Nasrallah said, it is possible, we can get weapons from Iran, all we have to do is ask.

BAS YA ZAKZAKEE.... the government hasn't even been formed, who the HELL do you expect Iran to give weapons to? il ra2ees? maybe he could store them in the Presidential palace for a couple of weeks, just till the government is formed, you know ;)

This is proof of how you just like to utter complete nonsense, as long as it satisfies your anti-nasrallah conscience.

^^ Finally u have started to use ur mind,now act upon it,and feel the difference.

And you comment on it to?

Ya 7abeebi...look at what we have here

^^ lol,so if Iran offered weapons , Lebanon would say no ??now u r against ur government just to defend Iran,how patriotic!!!

Still america is offering weapons to us,although we don't have government,,in case u don't know,we have a caretaker government that can deal with this.again u r maybe more aware of syrian and iranian politics than Lebanese one.

plus,,i replied to jader's post.i didn't start this.

Iran has offered. Right after the war they offered, but Lebanon declined.

Enough of this shit...it never ends.

^^ Offered what exactly??? lol,this is funny.

I was not trying to suggest politics, when I posted that comment, i was just going for a laugh. And to clarify what alisaleh said, before the election iran made a clear proposal, and offer to provide the laf with arms. It was ignored. In fact i posted a thread about it, but it was deleted shortly after.

ok,how about NBN displaying in the News bar today, ' AL RA2EES AL ASSAD YAZOR CROATIA AWA5ER AL SHAHR ' lol,why would i bother? he's not my president,that gives you an idea,if it's not then u r in a deep trouble,ya a5.

???????????????????????

Chou 5ass??? No one told you to read anything, but next time when you post an article, avoid commenting just for the sake of it. I'm talking about your comment, and you answer back with this?!

^^ I think u missed the rest of the post,,
here you go again

Also,i don't think America is occupying any Lebanese land,though i am not a Pro-USA person,but when Syria is occupying Lebanese land and u r proud of being a pro-syrian then u deserve the "Lebanese" and not the Lebanese word. :cheers:

^^ If supporting a country occupying a Lebanese land considers a LEBANESE patriotism then u r LEBANESE.

L.O.L. Because you're the one who decide who should be called lebanese and who shouldn't, according to one's political view?

L.O.L.

ok now hold on for a second there, before you make proposals on behalf of the Iranians, there is a small information that you probably need to know, there is a UN resolution that prohibits Iran from selling weapons to any country, so before you be generous at the Iranian expanse you need to know that we cannot buy weapons from Iran ...

Notice how in this thread, the sides are predetermined, no matter what the content/text a person posts. So if Hassoun says "The man went home" (just giving an example), Melkart agrees with it (as well as all of the other Pro-US users in here), without even knowing what Hassoun is talking about, or in this case, who the "man."

I noticed this when Melkart said "what provocation," clearly going on the defensive without thoroughly examining what Hassoun had said, because as Hezbollah Terrorist Supporters, our opinions are always wrong, and you guys are always right. And thats how life is, and thats how the earth spins huh?


I have faith in Hassoun. You guys are always wrong! :lol:

=D


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^^ Out of all the politicians in Lebanon siniora is the absolute crappiest one.

^^ :rofl:

BUT CUUUUUUTE !!!!!!!

I have faith in Hassoun. You guys are always wrong! :lol:

Thanx :) :mate:

^^ not gain,oh god .

Anyway , i hope they look at my post and try to implement it.

how about you keep your opinion to yourself , and stop initiating political arguments on every thread possible ... Geez

The headline of the story is "Siniora orders Nahr al-Bared rebuild to continue"

The story is portraying his unprofessionalism, and arragance, i was just pointing it out. So unless you live in lala land you should for once admit, a mistake that your political party has made. ooo and by the way who is it who started the politics in the events in lebanon thread??? do you have short-term memory loss?? Who is it that inject every forum here with quotes like "aaa hezbollah suck." those stupid terrorists are messing up the country" while the rest of the forumers here applaud and join in with "aaa i know" "screw hezbollah" Who infects every single threads with these statements?? So please, with no means get mad when i state a quote that is relevant to the previous article, because honestly you have no right to. Even if it was a 10000000 percent political statement you still have not right to get pissed.

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oh yes i do have the right to get pissed when you insult the prime minister of my country, and i know what the headline is, and what the article is all about too, but if you wanna express your opinion about your prime minister you could at least try to be more decent and less offensive to others, i don't care what other forumers said or say about hezballah and whenever they say anything that offends you, i know for sure that you don't hesitate for a second to answer them back , and it's your right to defend your opinions and the political parties that you support, but it's not your right whatsoever to call the prime minister of Lebanon " the crappiest politician " ... at least keep some standards for which you apply when you wanna express your thoughts, politically or in any other aspect, and again i tell you REGARDLESS to what others say, if we wanna imitate one another, lets do it on the positive things not on cursing...

well lebkm, i fully without hesitation and proudely say that he is a crappy prime minister. Because he is. And we can all agree that he has made yet another mistake here, that reflects his party. And the reason i did not and will not respect him at say "crappiest" instead of " siniroira our humble prime minister has made a mitake here as he usually does" why should i. Why should i, when this whole forum does not have a ounce of respect, for anyone one but "harriri" and "siniora" and the rest of march 14. And i agree with you, let them hold whatever opinions they want, let them insult all they want its their right. But dont hold me accountable for not showing respect for your party on this forum, when obviously its defiantly not happening on your end. And plus why should i respect him when he is doing things like this. But what is new, same old march 14.

^^ are you trying to turn this thread political too ?

The arch staller
October 23, 2009

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The opposition is using Free Patriotic Movement leader Michel Aoun to do its dirty work. (Archive)

Even the most resilient and upbeat Lebanese must be getting weary of hearing the endless stream of talking-head politicians forecast the formation of a new government. “In the coming days,” has the most popular prediction – Wiam Wahhab has been at his most Delphic in recent weeks – but the truth is that, not only is the opposition hell-bent on impeding Lebanon’s constitutional process – it must of course wait for orders from Damascus – it is flagrantly using the Free Patriotic Movement’s Michel Aoun to do its dirty work.

Aoun is the strategic cat, thrown amid the pigeons of Lebanese politics. His insistence that his son-in-law, Gebran Bassil, should have the telecom portfolio because, Aoun says, only the FPM can ensure the rigorous and transparent running of this most critical sector – despite the fact that in doing so he opens himself up to charges of nepotism and protecting the interests of his allies, Hezbollah – was the first obstacle cloaked as a matter of principle.

There was of course an agenda at play. Hezbollah, Amal and the brave ideologues of the SSNP nearly started a civil war in 2008 because the government had the temerity to interfere with Hezbollah’s private phone network, so it stands to reason that they would back Bassil for the job. From Aoun’s point of view, being seen to dig his heels in was a useful card to play with his supporters, decent people who have convinced themselves that their leader has been principled rather than inflexible, a mindset that sits well with their long held belief that the former army commander offers a genuine alternative to what they see as a corrupt, feudal and flabby Christian political class.

Now we have his most recent demand, that of a fifth portfolio to reflect his bloc’s apparently stellar showing in the June 7 elections – a poll, incidentally, Aoun said he would win for his March 8 allies. It is, if not proof, pretty damning evidence that he has become March 8’s No. 1 secret weapon.

For Aoun cannot be serious. His rationale is that he doesn’t want to appear weakened in public by being seen to make “too many concessions.” Does he really expect us to believe that the same allies to whom he did not deliver election victory would allow him a 50% share of the opposition’s allotted – according to the 15-10-5 formula – 10 seats? Such an agreement would leave only five portfolios for Hezbollah and Amal. Already, cracks are beginning to appear, with Amal chief and Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri saying that he is not going to give up any of his allocation.

All this nonsense must come as further proof to the professional middle-class, which put its weight behind Aoun’s so-called reformist agenda, that their man has lost the plot. He wooed them when he was convinced he would be elected president, the position he might already hold had he played his cards right. Now, he has become a hustler, abandoning the ideals of transparency and reform his supporters so quickly rushed to embrace.

Aoun has lost every battle he has fought in the past 20 years, from taking on the Lebanese Forces in 1989 to losing the parliamentary elections in 2009 and everything in between. History, however hard it tries, will have trouble listing his concrete achievements. We wouldn’t care if it weren’t for the fact that we are putting our lives on hold while he sows more political destruction.

well hassoun why dont you read the posts. I think then you may be able to answer the question yourself. If not i will be happy to help.

ok,ask that question in the EAYOR thread and i'll be more than happy to answer it ,waiting :)

not worth a reply seriously ...

^^ OMG !!!!!!
WHAT HAVE I DONE ??????:nuts::nuts::nuts:
MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE DIRECTLY POSTED THIS ARTICLE IN THE EAYOR THREAD

26/10/2009 Israeli daily Haaretz revealed on Monday that Israel informed the United Nations that it will continue its spying activities in Southern Lebanon after the United Nations has asked the Zionist entity for clarifications on "listening devices" that were uncovered near the village of Hula in southern Lebanon last week. The request was made following an official Lebanese petition to the UN.

According to Haaretz, Israel neither denied nor confirmed that it had placed intelligence-gathering equipment in the area, but informed the UN that "collecting intelligence" in southern Lebanon, in reference to spying, will continue "as long as the government in Beirut is not in full control of its territory."

Last Wednesday, a tripartite meeting was held at the UNIFIL base near the Rosh Hanikra border crossing between representatives of Israel, Lebanon and the UN regarding recent tensions in the area. Lebanon claimed, according to foreign press reports, that it had uncovered monitoring devices planted by Israel on its soil.

The UN peacekeeping force was represented by the force commander, Major General Claudio Graziano, while Lebanon was represented by the commander of the Lebanese Army's liaison unit and Israel was represented by the head of the Strategic Branch in the Planning Department at the General Staff, Brigadier Yossi Hayman.

Haaretz quoted a western diplomat as saying that one of the main issues discussed during the meeting was the exposure of the listening devices. The UNIFIL commander and the Lebanese officer asked for details on the listening equipment. The UN officers said that the equipment appeared to have been put in place during the 2006 July War against Lebanon, but the Lebanese officer insisted that the equipment appeared to be more up-to-date. "It seems that something new was put in place recently," the Lebanese representative argued.

The western diplomat said that Hayman did not deny that the equipment was Israeli listening devices, and did not respond directly to the questions asked by his interlocutors. However, he did stress that Israel will make use of its intelligence gathering capabilities so long as Hezbollah pose what he called a threat. "Israel will continue to use all means necessary to defend its citizens," Hayman was quoted as claiming.

He said that the exposure of the listening devices should be evaluated "in the broadest sense" and in light of the situation in southern Lebanon. "In view of all this we do not consider this instance as an Israeli violation of Resolution 1701," Hayman went on to claim.

^^ State your news source! I doubt Haaretz would refer to Israel as the Zionist entity

I say proudly, and firmly almanar.com.lb

Why rabih, do you see anything bias about the article?

I am sure Hisballah have spies of there own, so why would it matter!

^^ State your news source! I doubt Haaretz would refer to Israel as the Zionist entity

Theres also a DailyStar Article about it:

http://dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=107971

Rocket exchange between Lebanon and Israel, Israel holds Lebanese government responsible for launch

NOW’s correspondent in South Lebanon reported on Tuesday that a rocket was launched from Wadi al-Jamal, an area between the villages of Al-Houla and Mays al-Jabal, toward Israel. He added that the Lebanese Armed Forces and UNIFIL cordoned off the area and conducted patrols in it.

Israel responded by firing eight mortar shells at As-Slouki valley near the village of Houla after the Israeli police confirmed that a Katyusha-type rocket or a mortar was fired from Lebanon and landed in open ground east of Kiryat Shmona without causing any casualties.

The Israeli army issued a statement holding the Lebanese government responsible for the rocket launch and saying that its response will be limited to firing shells at the launch site.

During a meeting to discuss the means of handling the Katyusha-rocket launch, Israeli Army officials said that the rocket launch is a “grave act that is hard to deal with calmly like other rocket launches during the past year.”

-NOW Lebanon/AFP

^^ Here's an idea: why doesnt the Lebanese army, UNIFIL AND the IDF COLLABORATE and fight the terrorists TOGETHER. Imagine if they shared intelligence and technology? We all have the same enemy.

^^ I'm very neutral when it comes to politics, but I'm pretty sure Hezbollah is not the Lebanese Army's enemy ,the Lebanese Army's enemy is Israel, and the UNIFIL arent there to support either side, there just there to try to keep the peace

^^ They are all there to preserve peace. The enemy is the terrorist entity firing rockets in violation of 1701, no matter what they call themselves.

^^ They are all there to preserve peace. The enemy is the terrorist entity firing rockets in violation of 1701, no matter what they call themselves.

Are you referring to Hezbollah or Palestinian Factions?

I doubt that it is Hezbollah firing the rockets towards Northern Israel... its most likley Palestinian miltia in the camps.

^^ I was thinking the exact same thing, Its not in Hezbollahs interests to start up a war right now, it was most likely some small Palestinian faction

Are you referring to Hezbollah or Palestinian Factions?

I dont think Hizballah is responsible, but thats not the point. Anyone firing rockets is in violation of 1701 and engaging in terrorist activity.

^^ Yes, I completely agree but Israel violates 1701 on a daily basis by air, land, and sea, so both sides are to blame not only Hezbollah

the way i see it is that those launching these rockets every now and then are small palestinian groups who are controlled by the syrians, and this is the reason why hezballah cannot do anything about it, for no one could convince me that hezballah is not aware of people moving rockets in the south for heaven's sake they know what a man says to his wife in their bedroom... so my guess is that Syria wants to send a multi-message to Israel to the USA and to hezballah to show that they still hold a key to start a war in Lebanon...

I agree with Beiruti rockets are being fired from our territory and it makes us look bad. We need to take control of our border! no matter who is firing the rockets! I don't care how many violations Israel has, we still need to stop rocket attacks.

I am sure Hisballah have spies of there own, so why would it matter!

Hayda Manti2? Come on seriously...

I say proudly, and firmly almanar.com.lb

This post made me smile

Ya3teek il 3afiyeh

Hayda Manti2? Come on seriously...

Well do u disagree?

your very welcome alisaleh, and from now one i will state when its from almanar.

27/10/2009 Israeli occupation army fired seven artillery shells at the Wadi Slouki region, near the town of Houla in south Lebanon. News agencies reported a Katyusha rocket had been fired earlier from the same bombed region targeting an open area in the Israeli settlement of Keryat Shmona without causing injuries.

No group immediately claimed responsibility for the Katyusha launch. UNIFL troops and the Lebanese army cut off the road leading to Hula and were searching the area. According to Israeli media outlets, Israeli security sources estimate that the rocket was not fired by Hezbollah, but rather by a small Palestinian organization. Haaretz quoted an Israeli occupation army spokesman as saying that the military holds Lebanon responsibility for the Katysha launch.

Just hours before the incident, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned during a tour in the northern occupied region, that Israel was preparing itself for a possible new confrontation with Lebanon. "We have nine years of quiet in the north that were interrupted for a number of painful weeks for the Second Lebanon War," the defense minister said. "We are preparing for all other possibilities, including the possibility that they will subject the towns of the north to another test."

Link: almanar

Al Manar....... lol what a joke.

^^ Here's an idea: why doesnt the Lebanese army, UNIFIL AND the IDF COLLABORATE and fight the terrorists TOGETHER.

yay! and then we can have a tea party! (not that it has not been done before..)

its not like they are a group of 4 or 5 fanatics who fire rockets to liberate jerusalem or something.
They are well trained, professional and so secure about their presence in the south.
Hezbollah? No
protected by them ? maybe but why? in this case, what are the 15000 soldiers doing there?ecotourism?..

politics are nasty....

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That was essentially a vow to give equal time to a group conceived as an alternative to the powerful and right-leaning American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which has long held great sway with high-ranking policymakers. AIPAC has a $130 million endowment and nearly 300 staffers. J Street is tiny in comparison and only 18 months old, but its inaugural gathering attracted 1,500 people, half again as many as expected. The overflow crowd jammed meeting rooms at a downtown hotel and forced organizers to repeat a standing-room-only session after dozens were turned away.

The conference marked "the birth of a movement," said Jeremy Ben-Ami, J Street's founder and executive director. "This is the coming-out party for the pro-Israel, pro-peace community, [which] stands for the proposition that there is more than one way in this country to be pro-Israel."

The group's founding formalized a longtime struggle within the Jewish community for influence over U.S. policy in the Middle East. On one side are mainstream groups like AIPAC that tilt right and have welcomed support from Christian conservatives and hard-line Republicans. On the other are what J Street calls the "silent majority" of American Jews -- Democrats who voted overwhelmingly for Barack Obama last November and who support a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

J Street "fills a vacuum" in the American Israel advocacy community, said Meir Sheetrit, one of several opposition members of Israel's Knesset who attended the conference. He said AIPAC's no-questions-asked support for the current right-leaning government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has turned off younger Jews who are concerned not only about Israel but also about the rights of the Palestinians.

Laura Kaplan, 21, a Tufts University senior from Medford, Mass., said she joined J Street because AIPAC doesn't represent her views. "They support Israel no matter what," she said. "I've been to Israel and seen what's happening on the ground, and [there's] a cognitive dissonance from Jewish values that I've been taught all my life."

The conference also attracted older Jewish anti-war activists who have been uneasy with Israeli policy since the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, which many view as Israel's Vietnam.

The group's anti-war bent was clear Monday when several people booed Rabbi Eric Yoffie, head of the Union for Reform Judaism, when he criticized a recent United Nations report that accused the Israeli military of war crimes during its military campaign in Gaza last winter. During a strategy session of 250 college students, leaders decided to drop the "pro-Israel" part of J Street's slogan, saying it could hurt recruiting on campuses, where sympathy for Palestinians runs high.

Ben-Ami, a veteran of the Clinton White House whose grandparents founded Tel Aviv and whose father fought in the militant Zionist Irgun, "managed to create a space where this voice can be expressed," said Ron Kampeas, a correspondent with the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. A longtime observer of Jewish communal politics, Kampeas said the Obama White House sees J Street members as its "troops" to help make its case. "The Obama administration more than acknowledges the reality of AIPAC. It works with AIPAC," he said. "But it sees J Street as a way of changing the dialogue, of pushing forward on an accelerated path back to negotiations" between Israel and the Palestinians.

J Street's approach has provoked controversy. Israel's ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, rejected an invitation to speak. Oren said the group's positions -- which include calling Israel's Gaza incursion a "disproportionate" response to Hamas' rocket attacks and opposing sanctions as a first step to curb Iran's nuclear program -- would "impair Israel's interests." The embassy sent two low-level "observers" instead.

Oren's boycott is in keeping with opinion in Israel. An August poll for the Jerusalem Post showed a mere 4 percent of Israelis consider Obama's policies to be pro-Israel, and 51 percent said his administration favored the Palestinians. Many Israelis are suspicious of Obama, who during his short tenure has given a historic speech to the Muslim world in Cairo and visited Turkey but skipped a trip to Jerusalem.

Jon Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, offered advice to Obama during a J Street panel: "You need to go to Israel. Israelis feel, with some justification, that you've spoken to everybody else except them."

Although the White House sent Jones, at least 10 members of Congress backed out amid accusations by conservative bloggers that the conference was little more than an anti-Israel bash session that included Muslim and Palestinian participants. About 150 other lawmakers were expected at a gala dinner tonight to close the conference.

"We shouldn't shy away from controversy," said Rep. Charles Boustany of Louisiana, the grandson of Lebanese immigrants and the only Republican to attend.

Rep. Bob Filner, a California Democrat, said he once lost $250,000 in campaign contributions after voting against a bill supported by AIPAC and knows colleagues who vote the lobby's hawkish way for fear it will use its clout to defeat them at the polls. "The pressure is very intense so people go the easy way, the path of least resistance," said Filner, who is Jewish. "J Street is meant to open another path" of support for Israel.

Sue Swartz, 54, a Bloomington, Ind., writer, hopes J Street also will change attitudes within the Jewish community. "We are very attached to our narrative that our side only wants peace, our side has nothing to blame for. That can't be true about anything in life," she said. "So this is a place where you can hold a morally complex perspective of both loving Israel and being willing to say the status quo is not acceptable."

^^ If you are going to post articles they must have a Title, Date, Source, and if available, Author.

Rockets Defused in the South a Day after Israeli Retaliatory Attack

The Lebanese army and UNIFIL defused four rockets set for launching in the outskirts of Houla on Wednesday a day after a Katyusha fired from southern Lebanon into northern Israel prompted the Jewish state to retaliate with artillery fire.

Tuesday's attack, which was not immediately claimed, was the latest incident in growing cross-border tensions, and an Israeli military spokeswoman laid ultimate blame on the Beirut government.

Voice of Lebanon radio said Wednesday that the rockets were found on the same launch pad used during the attack the day before.

The National News Agency said three of the Katyushas were found in the garden of Houla municipality chief Faisal Hijazi and one at his house porch.

UNIFIL Commander Maj. Gen. Claudio Graziano inspected the area where the rockets were found, NNA added.

Tuesday's rocket landed in open ground east of the Israeli town of Kiryat Shmona and started a fire but caused no serious damage, sources there said.

An Israeli military spokeswoman later confirmed that "artillery had opened fire on the sector from which the Katyusha rocket was fired."

She said the army considered the attack as "serious, and considers that responsibility for it falls on the Lebanese government."

Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations Gabriela Shalev has filed an official complaint with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the Security Council president over the Katyusha rocket attack, Israeli media reported.

U.N. peacekeeping troops and the Lebanese army cut off the road to Houla and searched the area.

UNIFIL spokeswoman Yasmina Bouziane said an inquiry has begun.

"UNIFIL immediately launched an investigation," she said, adding that the force had deployed additional troops in the area in coordination with the Lebanese army.

There were no reports of casualties on either side, Bouziane confirmed.(AFP-Naharnet)



Beirut, 28 Oct 09, 08:37

what are the 15000 soldiers doing there?ecotourism?..



Who knows? :|

Israel wants Italy to remain head of UNIFIL

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JERUSALEM — Israel has asked Italy to try to remain at the head of the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) rather than handing over to Spain as planned, a senior official said.
"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last week called (Italian) Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and asked him to try to keep the current commander of UNIFIL Claudio Graziano in his post," the official said.
Graziano's term is due to end in a few weeks, with Spain slated to take over.
The Haaretz newspaper said Netanyahu's move turned into a serious diplomatic incident, with Spain likely to take up the issue during talks with visiting Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak this week.
While the military wanted Netanyahu to press Italy to keep Graziano in his post for at least another six months, the foreign ministry feels Israel should not have become involved to avoid insulting any of the major European countries participating in UNIFIL -- France, Italy and Spain, the daily said.
"We have no preference regarding UNIFIL command. We will cooperate with any commander," a foreign ministry spokesman said.
UNIFIL has some 13,000 troops from various countries stationed in southern Lebanon.
The force, which was set up in 1978 to monitor the border between Israel and southern Lebanon, was considerably beefed up in the wake of the 2006 war between the militant group Hezbollah and Israel.- (AFP)

^^ sho kashon in who leads the unifil

^^ UNIFIL is there to protect both countries.

lol Yea right, israel needs a lot of protection....:rofl:

Protection as a third party entity, to prevent another war like in 2006.

yea but they dont have the right to intervene in the decision.

^^ Every country has right to intervene, but Italy/Spain/UN has right to ignore it (as Israel has no mandate to decide who will lead UNIFIL). That's what diplomacy is about :)

I'm sure they want Italy to remain in command cuz we have a crazy right-wing gov't headed by the nutjob Berlusconi just like they want, while Spain is ruled by the left now.

Jouzo: Let the Lebanese Maronite and the Rest of Lebanon Go Back to Syria
Naharnet

In a statement on Sunday, Lebanese Sunni Mufti of Mt. Lebanon Sheikh Muhammed al-Jouzo said that "Lebanon has turned into an Arab Babylonian tower with its folkloric leaderships and new parliamentary faces only fit for exhibitions and decorations while the losers turn into sectarian symbols standing on the government's doors" with their conditions hindering the formation of the government.


"There are politicians who move from right to left and vice versa while their slogans change with the stock exchange. One day you see him a Gulf Arab and another day a Persian Iranian when a third time he becomes an American and then again a Russian. One day you see him an enemy of Syria and then again Syria's best friend and so on. There are no principles, no morale, no charters and the 'unity' presidency stands bewildered before the political "Sufi-sectarianism"; next to the allies or to the opposition!" he added.

"There's no civilized nation in the world like that of our Great Lebanon. The Lebanese people abhor this category. To those I ask you, what's your true identity? Who robs the electricity money, the foreign, internal, sea and land telecommunications' money? A nation that lives the culture of hate with leaders leading them to sectarian wars, hating each other; hatred in the name of religion, in the name of sectarianism and in the name of the parties," he added.

"Our educated youth is faced with only one exit, that of emigration. They have grown to hate their country and their nationality and have traveled in quest of finding another one keen to protect their integrity and protect them from the politicians and their resentment," he continued.

This is the Lebanon of today, so why don't all the people emigrate and offer our country as a gift to Syria and their infidels? Did not the Maronite come from Syria, so why not go back to it and along with them all of Lebanon and not just those who have missed Syria?," he concluded.

Beirut, 01 Nov 09

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/0/72C1ED48D530B06FC2257661004A8FB7?OpenDocument

"They have grown to hate their country and their nationality"

Defiantly not true, they might want to leave the country, be more like westerners, but to no extend to Lebanese living in Lebanon youth, or old hate their country nor their nationality.

Bravo Jouzo,in Jumblat and opposition's face.

^^

lol...this is comming from the man who virtually praised Jumblatt on this thread...

Bravo Jouzo,in Jumblat and opposition's face.

Not only opposition and jumblat, Geagea too (liberation war), Hariri (Beyrouth keys and Taef) and the rest ;)

^^

lol...this is comming from the man who virtually praised Jumblatt on this thread...

Ali that's before he flipped flop. ofcourse we don't agree with Jumblat anymore. Aoun as well! so far two flip floppers on the opposition side! none for march 14th. shows you what type of people you guys are allies with!

^^ In Jumblatt's defense, it is not like he completely flipped and became a leader of the opposition. Please do not liken him to Aoun! Jumblatt simply assessed the situation post-election and did we he thought was in the best interest of his constituents (the Druze). Let's not forget the bloody May 2008 battle in the Chouf. Jumblatt cannot allow a repeat. He chose a non-confrontational, neutral position.

^^ In Jumblatt's defense, it is not like he completely flipped and became a leader of the opposition. Please do not liken him to Aoun! Jumblatt simply assessed the situation post-election and did we he thought was in the best interest of his constituents (the Druze). Let's not forget the bloody May 2008 battle in the Chouf. Jumblatt cannot allow a repeat. He chose a non-confrontational, neutral position.

How about what is best for Lebanon? neutrality is a sign of weakness, where is his leadership? If he believed in morals & leadership he will stand by his principles! The march 14th #1 agenda is to build one strong central government and to disarm other groups outside of state control.

of course, this is just so you know that we're not like you guys, we do not worship a politician, and we do not lack principles... I am sure if tomorrow sayyed hassan nasrallah would tell you Syria is Lebanon's enemy you would just follow what he says and act accordingly, just like what happened with AOUN, the man was hated by all the Shi'a and specifically by hezballah, and all of a sudden he became your ally without you questioning what, why or how .... as for us we have principles whomever wants to join our principles for the best interest of Lebanon is most welcomed, but we wont follow some politician from one side to the complete opposite side just because he says so, we're not sheep and no1 is our shepherd...

and let me add something, and here i speak for myself, that even if all the politicians of 14 march, including future , Lebanese forces, kataeb , and all the other parties will change their speeches and their slogans, i will no longer become a supporter of such politicians, as i will never be a supporter of walid jomblat ever again, just like they say, shame on you if you fool me once, shame on me if you fool me twice...

^^ Same here.

we r not sheep.

sheep kaman ya hassoun, well let me tell you guys again, aoun is one thing. But hezbollah sayyed nasrallah, have never will never flip flop, becuase they unlike any other party actually care about their country, they unlike any other party will actually die for their country, march 14 is a bunch of corrupt politicians that dont give a living shit for the people or well being of their country, their interests lie with saudi arabia and only with saudi arabia. the only govermental leader that lebanon has seen that cares for the the development, cares for the people in poverty, the only person who actually has a will to do something good for his country was rafic harriri, and like i said earlier his son does not have a speck of what his father believed in, inside of him. he is nothing but corruption, corrupt for the well being of his pocket, and his beloved saudi arabia.

AND THE ONLY REASON MY REPLY WAS SO STRONG WAS BECAUSE HASSOUN DECIDED TO CALL MARCH 8 SHEEPS.

i was the one to say we are not sheep don't accuse hassoun of it, but i did not mention that you are, i just said we are not... i didn't even mention the name 8 march, so i don't know how you assumed that. and i agree with you that hezballah is the only party that will never change or flip and you have to respect it for that whether u agree or disagree with its agenda, but the reason why hezballah will never flip is not because they care about Lebanon more than others, that's just because this is a party based upon an ideology, an ideology that's far more deep than Lebanon and all the Lebanese people, an ideology that abides by " WALI AL FAKIH " and this is the secret of its strength, so please give me a break and stop lecturing about patriotism

Well you are no better than Hassoun,

and March 8th does not care for me or my interest. And why is Iran always disregarded when mentioning Hezbollah, especially since this is a party that is Originated in Iran!!!! . I am telling you, I have Iranian friends who are working in trafficking info to iranian protesters and the one thing that they tell me is that:
a) One of the main reasons why they protest against the govt is because of the money being sent to leb
b) The Iranian regime started the same way Hzb is starting now. and while the Iranian regime had support when they first started these groups quickly turn religious and self serving.

I will say this loud and clear, I DON'T LIKE MARCH 14TH EITHER. But I want a liberal lebanon, and I don't think that dream can be accomplished under the rule of Hizbollah.

Really - (I'm going to piss EVERYONE off now)

Geagea and Oun, Berri need to be kicked out of gov't NOW.... no one who has fought in the civil war should be able to participate in govt.

Harriri - Needs to go back speech writing school

Berri - needs to be mentioned again because he is one of the most corrupt politician I have ever seen, and he does not do his job.

Hezbollah - Really, is there a more religious, sectarian, directly foreign backed political party that disregards all govt rules? (Ya I know you are all gonna hate on me for this one but we all know the truth on the ground)

What we need, is new politicians that are independent, not self serving business men and released criminals in power, or foreign back militias. Guys, demand more of yourselves and your politicians, demand much more for your country, and demand more than the rules that we have now. We only need to elect the people that we have now if we want to.... WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS...... ONLY IF WE DEMAND THEM.

^^ I hope your not saying the Lebanese Forces need to be kept out of the Goverment.


sheep kaman ya hassoun, well let me tell you guys again, aoun is one thing. But hezbollah sayyed nasrallah, have never will never flip flop, becuase they unlike any other party actually care about their country, they unlike any other party will actually die for their country, march 14 is a bunch of corrupt politicians that dont give a living shit for the people or well being of their country, their interests lie with saudi arabia and only with saudi arabia. the only govermental leader that lebanon has seen that cares for the the development, cares for the people in poverty, the only person who actually has a will to do something good for his country was rafic harriri, and like i said earlier his son does not have a speck of what his father believed in, inside of him. he is nothing but corruption, corrupt for the well being of his pocket, and his beloved saudi arabia.

AND THE ONLY REASON MY REPLY WAS SO STRONG WAS BECAUSE HASSOUN DECIDED TO CALL MARCH 8 SHEEPS.



March 8 does not care at all for Lebanon.... May 2008 is clear proof they only care for them selves.... March 8 are the biggest bunch of Sheep.

They will jump off a cliff if their Master told them to.

Dont say they ( Hezbollah) have their intrest in Lebanon first. they are willing to use there wepons against the Lebanese people when there selfish intrests are in harm. They have no respect for who is governing the country. DONT SAY THEY CARE FOR LEBANON.... I cannot think of anything worst then March 8 running the country.... we will lose your respect from the International community and become a bigger target from Israel

I would like also add that Aounist are the biggest sheep of all...... and get mocked the most out... the poltical even March 8 followers mock the FPM.

jader,gimme a break.start thinking outside the box,what does Saudi Arabia wan from Lebanon?:lol: this is funny :lol: walla funny,at least when u say something,prove it.

Saudi Arabia doesn't have borders with Lebanon,and it didn't occupy Lebanon for 30 years,UNLIKE SYRIA.

Saudi Arabia is not supplying a "Lebanese "party with weapons and money and it's not fighting the west politically and using that party to negotiate on .UNLIKE IRAN.

So,,do u get now the clear picture ?? i really hope u do. inno enough.

Lebkm, ovbosely i was not debating you on my first comment.




"think outside of the box" kaman yani shu hassoun, are u trying to deny that

A. Rafic Harriri relations with saudi arabia are extremely close.

B. Rafic Harriri spend more time in Saudi arabia then trying to form goverment before he resigned the first time; made 4 "private visits" to Saudi Arabia(refer back to me if you want the evidence) in the time span of just 3 weeks.

C. The Harriri family has relations with Saudi Arabia to the upmost significance.

^^ His father utilized these relations for his people. Rafic Harriri uses them for what?? Yup you guessed it; HIMSELF!!
But really whats new?? And yes you are right hassoun hezbollah enjoys relations with the part of the Syrian regime that is dedicated to resisting against the country of aggression- Israel. The rest of the syrian regime are trash, and i agree they are trash. Hassoun, SA is utilizing the inexperience and selfishness of rafic harriri. They are using him as their remote control for Lebanon. What ever they want from him they get.

And i dont think you or 3/4 of the march 14 users on this forum should be giving me a lesson on who does not support their statements, just look at the comment jayme posted.You blurt out unreferenced, unbacked comments and agree with each other, and wait for two or three users to post a comment that actually makes sense supporting yours. Its actually kind of funny. :lol::lol:

and let me add something, and here i speak for myself, that even if all the politicians of 14 march, including future , Lebanese forces, kataeb , and all the other parties will change their speeches and their slogans, i will no longer become a supporter of such politicians, as i will never be a supporter of walid jomblat ever again, just like they say, shame on you if you fool me once, shame on me if you fool me twice...


Agreed 100%

Lebkm, ovbosely i was not debating you on my first comment.




"think outside of the box" kaman yani shu hassoun, are u trying to deny that

A. Rafic Harriri relations with saudi arabia are extremely close.

B. Rafic Harriri spend more time in Saudi arabia then trying to form goverment before he resigned the first time; made 4 "private visits" to Saudi Arabia(refer back to me if you want the evidence) in the time span of just 3 weeks.

C. The Harriri family has relations with Saudi Arabia to the upmost significance.

^^ His father utilized these relations for his people. Rafic Harriri uses them for what?? Yup you guessed it; HIMSELF!!
But really whats new?? And yes you are right hassoun hezbollah enjoys relations with the part of the Syrian regime that is dedicated to resisting against the country of aggression- Israel. The rest of the syrian regime are trash, and i agree they are trash. Hassoun, SA is utilizing the inexperience and selfishness of rafic harriri. They are using him as their remote control for Lebanon. What ever they want from him they get.

And i dont think you or 3/4 of the march 14 users on this forum should be giving me a lesson on who does not support their statements, just look at the comment jayme posted.You blurt out unreferenced, unbacked comments and agree with each other, and wait for two or three users to post a comment that actually makes sense supporting yours. Its actually kind of funny. :lol::lol:

The Hariri family has ties with the Saudis yes! and look at how far they have gotten us, in terms of bringing investments to our country etc! that's what I call networking!

ahh lebnani you understand me so well...it's true that great minds think alike :P let's form a new party and RULE this freakin country shu awlak? ;)

oh and btw if it were up to me I'd send all these idiots into exile where they belong (and not switzerland or france because that would be actually a step up from lebanon lol, into let's say Chechnya or smthn) starting with Berri, Aoun, ja3ja3, Nasrallah and all the other dumbasses I can't even remember.

ahh lebnani you understand me so well...it's true that great minds think alike :P let's form a new party and RULE this freakin country shu awlak? ;)





oh and btw if it were up to me I'd send all these idiots into exile where they belong (and not switzerland or france because that would be actually a step up from lebanon lol, into let's say Chechnya or smthn) starting with Berri, Aoun, ja3ja3, Nasrallah and all the other dumbasses I can't even remember.


ROFL....LMFAO.... :hilarious

:lol:

3am te7ki jad hon? Yea, sure....screw democracy when it comes to the right of an opinion that opposes yours.

^^trust me I'd be doing democracy a HUGE favor by sending these dumbf*cks away

7il 3an sameye

jader,gimme a break.start thinking outside the box,what does Saudi Arabia wan from Lebanon?:lol: this is funny :lol: walla funny,at least when u say something,prove it.

Saudi Arabia doesn't have borders with Lebanon,and it didn't occupy Lebanon for 30 years,UNLIKE SYRIA.

Saudi Arabia is not supplying a "Lebanese "party with weapons and money and it's not fighting the west politically and using that party to negotiate on .UNLIKE IRAN.

So,,do u get now the clear picture ?? i really hope u do. inno enough.

I don't want to start a discussion, and I'm also not gonna reply
but I have to say this!

You may be happy that countries like Iran are supporting you and rebuild your country! anyway best wishes from Iran! peace!

umm as a matter of fact Iran never helped us rebuild our country, they only helped us destroy it...

I don't want to start a discussion, and I'm also not gonna reply
but I have to say this!

You may be happy that countries like Iran are supporting you and rebuild your country! anyway best wishes from Iran! peace!

oh,so innocent.:nuts:

7il 3an sameye

exuse me?

Leb - it, Seriously.... enno its not even worth it. Ma twate 7allak

Look guys, really none of you are actually arguing about the issues. Each side just wants to be right... but NOT ONE OF YOU is talking about what the right thing to do is.

You all don't have Lebanon in mind. If you were all sensible enough to talk about actual issues and how to solve them, instead of this dick measuring contest you guys call political debate we might actually have a country.

Pity the nation, really

umm as a matter of fact Iran never helped us rebuild our country, they only helped us destroy it...
yes that's why Iran has over 200 building projects in Lebanon and 510 KM of roads!
So far, Iran has rebuilt 200 schools, 150 places of worship, 30 clinics and 25 bridges. The official budget for this year is about £60 million ,and the key priority is repairing the national road network.god knows how much we invested by now in Lebanon! (and that was in 2006)

Lebanese President Michel Suleiman recently asked Iran for medium-sized weapons for Lebanon's army, and we gived!
and so much more!
many Iranians in Iran go to the streets to protest against Israel to show their support for you people, and that is all we get from you people? haha really!

Yes Tehr - IR.... we are THAT ungrateful .......... STOP HELPING "us"

^^
haha don't be angry at me me IM NOT THE ONE THAT IS HELPING YOU!
I'm happy atleast you know how ungratefull you are...:)

yes that's why Iran has over 200 building projects in Lebanon and 510 KM of roads!
So far, Iran has rebuilt 200 schools, 150 places of worship, 30 clinics and 25 bridges. The official budget for this year is about £60 million ,and the key priority is repairing the national road network.god knows how much we invested by now in Lebanon! (and that was in 2006)


aw so cute!
So you really think that your president is Mama Thereasa , ha?
He saddly got what he wanted for exchange, dear.
Lebanese President Michel Suleiman recently asked Iran for medium-sized weapons for Lebanon's army, and we gived!
and so much more!
I haven't heard of this.
many Iranians in Iran go to the streets to protest against Israel to show their support for you people, and that is all we get from you people? haha really!
No, they protest against Israel-like many Arabs- just for the sake to protest against Israel.
I would be more than thankful when these Iranians protest against their country's intervention in mine.

^^
haha don't be angry at me me IM NOT THE ONE THAT IS HELPING YOU!
I'm happy atleast you know how ungratefull you are...:)

LOL oh NO, I am not angry, after all this is just a forum, and we are all just people, most of us not even in the countries we are arguing about. This isn't even worth me getting angry.

But as an Iranian citizen, I am gonna assume that you are, are you really happy with:
a) your regime?
b) your government?
c) your government sending your tax dollars to Lebanon?

I mean I understand that Iran is really also just helping itself, since it is in its best interest to strengthen Hezbollah. But what is your opinion? and the opinion of people like you?

^^
I hate our regime and it's evil and I hope for all countries in the world that they never have to deal with such a regime!
and I hope soon as possible this barbaric people will go away from Iran! cause Iran and it's people deserves much better...! all we want is just peace and freedom :)
but the Iranian people are helping you and not by supporting hezbollah (that's the government) but by supporting LEBANON! :)

"No, they protest against Israel-like many Arabs- just for the sake to protest against Israel." sorry popsi but ur comment is ridiculous. i know that u know why people protest against israel, these comments are the type that really make me mad. I mean seriously talk about ignorance.

^^She meant that those people protest against israel, and not for Lebanon.

That's what I understood.

"No, they protest against Israel-like many Arabs- just for the sake to protest against Israel." sorry popsi but ur comment is ridiculous. i know that u know why people protest against israel, these comments are the type that really make me mad. I mean seriously talk about ignorance.

huh??? really??
first of all IRAN ISNT AN ARAB COUNTRY!
second: that's why we have lebanese and palestinian flags on Tehran's streets!
and yes we also protest against Israel BECAUSE they act barbaric against your people!

at the end we all want the same: peace!

^^ Who's we? Who are you speaking for? You need to define your stand to the Islamic Iranian regime and international politics for one..

And second you should stop referring to all Lebanese as Hezbollah supporters! We have enough issues internally to know that not all Lebanese want anything to do with Iran and it's welayat al-fakih

Then we can talk peace..

"huh??? really??
first of all IRAN ISNT AN ARAB COUNTRY!
second: that's why we have lebanese and palestinian flags on Tehran's streets!
and yes we also protest against Israel BECAUSE they act barbaric against your people!

at the end we all want the same: peace! "

TEH_IR i was quoting what popsi said, then disagreeing with it. I 100 percent agree with what you are saying and share your views. I also respect Iran for fighting against Israel. And i am happy you understand the barbarac ways of Israel.

And leb.fr if iranians protest against Israel, then who are they protesting for?? They are protesting against Israeli terrorism. And for the Palestain, and Lebanese civilians who have been ravaged by israel.

too rabih
Don't you want peace with the world than??
do you really think Iranians like the Islamic Republic and Hezbollah haha NO!
70% of Iran hate hezbollah! and the Islamic republic!
and I wasn't talking about supporting hezbollah but supporting the lebanese people!

welayat al-fakih?

sorry but if you didn't know yet we don't speak in Iran arabian we have our own language Persian :)

"huh??? really??
first of all IRAN ISNT AN ARAB COUNTRY!
second: that's why we have lebanese and palestinian flags on Tehran's streets!
and yes we also protest against Israel BECAUSE they act barbaric against your people!

at the end we all want the same: peace! "

TEH_IR i was quoting what popsi said, then disagreeing with it. I 100 percent agree with what you are saying and share your views. I also respect Iran for fighting against Israel. And i am happy you understand the barbarac ways of Israel.

And leb.fr if iranians protest against Israel, then who are they protesting for?? They are protesting against Israeli terrorism. And for the Palestain, and Lebanese civilians who have been ravaged by israel.
aw ok sorry than :)
I'm just too confused now again sorry :)

"No, they protest against Israel-like many Arabs- just for the sake to protest against Israel." sorry popsi but ur comment is ridiculous. i know that u know why people protest against israel, these comments are the type that really make me mad. I mean seriously talk about ignorance.

hmmm.. eh la baddak trou2 :D

Iranians have the right to oppose or support Israel,its not the point.
the Iranian regime is using the Arab-Israeli conflict for its own interests .good for them.
But when someone is delusional about Iran's role in the region,convinced that his regime is actually our guardian angel and comes giving us lessons about gratefulness,
it is wrong!


And Tehr_IR,
I appreciate your people's support, but it's kinda sad to see how the current regime is distracting your people from the local problems facing Iran, by issues that most of the Iranian people ,as yourself, don't care for.
and I do know that Iran is not an arab country.....

too rabih
Don't you want peace with the world than??
do you really think Iranians like the Islamic Republic and Hezbollah haha NO!
70% of Iran hate hezbollah! and the Islamic republic!
and I wasn't talking about supporting hezbollah but supporting the lebanese people!

welayat al-fakih?

sorry but if you didn't know yet we don't speak in Iran arabian we have our own language Persian :)

I don't know how to translate that but welayat al-fakih refers to the Islamic ideology upon which the Iranian revolution happened, and Hezbollah supports that ideology and associate their principles to the Iranian Ayatollah.

And this is why our dear forumer here "Jader" was happy to know you are Iranian because he directly associated you with the regime that provides weapons, money and infrastructure NOT to Lebanon but a faction of Lebanese people.

This faction is represented in the Lebanese parliament by only 26 seats out of 128 (Hezbollah + Amal) and so regardless of what the media in Iran tells you, most Lebanese receive nothing and infact don't want anything to do with Iran

I also respect Iran for fighting against Israel.


really?

"And this is why our dear forumer here "Jader" was happy to know you are Iranian because he directly associated you with the regime that provides weapons, money and infrastructure NOT to Lebanon but a faction of Lebanese people."

haha; yani shou badi ellak, are you getting what i am saying, iran has offered numerous times to not only help the infrastructure of lebanon as a whole, but also made a serious offer to aid the Lebanese army 10x more weapons then other countries. So your statement is based on nothing.

really?

Yes

I just have a question: why does Iranian media lie to its people by telling them that all of Lebanon supports Hizballah and loves Iran for "aiding" us?

]Yes

when did Iran fight Israel??

:rofl:

You took it literally. Of course they have not had a armed conflict with Israel.

:rofl:

You took it literally. Of course they have not had a armed conflict with Israel.

bravo, then who did fight israel ?

????

Do you understand what i am saying??

I meant that iran "fights israel" by supporting the people that have been sharsahed by Israel.

I just have a question: why does Iranian media lie to its people by telling them that all of Lebanon supports Hizballah and loves Iran for "aiding" us?
Because the Iranian media is finacied by the Islamic republic and the IRI is CORRUPT!
whole the Iranian regime is a BIG lie and Shame...
the people of Iran are aware of that... and those who you see on the streets chanting hezbollah,
they are in huge minority!
that's also why we Iranians fight for freedom and a new system now..:)

????

Do you understand what i am saying??

I meant that iran "fights israel" by supporting the people that have been sharsahed by Israel.

okay then, you should rather respect those people,ur countrymen, who were under attack and in danger ,without having a say in it, more than you respect the regime that supports only the group who decided ,on behalf of the state , to flame a war :)

I don't respect my countrymen kamin; well maybe your leaders should respect their country instead of respecting their pockets.

an you respect the regime that supports only the group who decided ,on behalf of the state , to flame a war



?????????????????????????????????
why dont u look at 2986

I don't get why Israel and Iran are enemies in the first place, they haven't even fought a war against each other.

Ok guys now we're getting no where..

Tehr IR, just so that we're clear: you're started off by calling the "Lebanese" ungrateful but I hope you're well aware now that most Lebanese in fact don't want anything with the Iranian regime..

p/bopsi, this debate about who started the war has become like the dilemma of "who's before the chicken or the egg". But to be fair I must say that people who support Hezbollah have been suffering from Israel since 1982 and not just since 2006, which is why they have these extreme ideologies.

Because the Iranian media is finacied by the Islamic republic and the IRI is CORRUPT!
whole the Iranian regime is a BIG lie and Shame...
the people of Iran are aware of that... and those who you see on the streets chanting hezbollah,
they are in huge minority!
that's also why we Iranians fight for freedom and a new system now..:)

Good to know and we really hope you guys get the freedom you deserve.

^^
At rabbih you may hate and be ungratefull against the IRI we Iranians don't want something else than that the rest of the world hates the IRI!
but we people are always on your side, not hezbollah, but at yours, the people.

at Beiruti

thank you mate, I wish also all the best for the lebanese people, ps: Tommorow is a huge protest all over Iran against this babaric regime :)