it seems like i missed a lot in here...
first of all TEHR-IR, i am sure you know what " WILAYAT AL FAKIFH " is, but it's just your persian arrogance that keeps you from saying that you know Arabic, and most of the Iranians do know Arabic, or else please tell me how do people read the KORAN or understand Khamenei when he makes a " RAWZAKHANI " and talks in Arabic...
secondly, Persians and Arabs have always hated each other, it's an eternal fight between the two, so please don't tell me that you are helping the Lebanese because you just support resistance forces in the face of the Israeli tyranny, and because you love the Lebanese people so much, and please tell me that Iranians are helping Yemenis build their country too, by supporting the Houthis against the government, or helping the Iraqis build their country by sending bombed cars and killing people in thousands...
Thirdly, how on the planet earth do you show up here and talk about the roads and bridges and schools that Iran is rebuilding in Lebanon, how about the war that you caused us in 2006, which resulted in the death of 1300 Lebanese and the destruction of over than 1200 bridges and 19000 buildings and houses, not to mention the roads, the hospitals, the pollution of the sea and much more...
4th point, Iranians are helping us by protesting on the streets ??? man really i can't find the words to thank you enough, i mean really you're doing us a big favor protesting on the streets, while bombs are falling on our heads.. if you wanna help how about you stop lecturing wiping Israel off the face of this planet and for once dare to fight it yourself, but hey after all why would you? whereas the reality is that both Iran and Israel have the same goal which is to destroy the Arab world, and just a small piece of evidence, does Irangate or Iran-contra affair ring any bells ? do you remember when the Israeli f16s landed in the Iranian airports so that you could use them to fight Iraq ?

Last but not least, i suggest that you stop sending all your money and all your weapons to Lebanon, and we'll be much better off , we don't want anything from you, you keep that for yourself for anyway you need it more than we do, and everyone will be just happy.

I don't respect my countrymen kamin; well maybe your leaders should respect their country instead of respecting their pockets.

so you concluded that I'm a M14
I don't have a leader, and i follow nobody.
and our "leaders" are monkeys in charge, maximum.


About # 2986

have you heard the Lebanese army announcing that it did happen?
What is your source?

^^first of all I don't know that since I don't live in Iran!
second of al almost 70% of the iranians are under age of 30 and they are not really deep faith muslims haha they drink alcohol and stuff to!
yes they learn read the KORAN but that's it!
no one in iran really likes arabian language...
AS I SIAD IF YOU HATE THE IRANIAN REGIME WELL MAKE MY DAY I DONT MIND WE LOVE THAT YOU HATE THEM!!
THATS WHY WE WANT THEM OUT OF IRAN CAUSE THEY ARE A REAL SHAME FOR OUR COUNTRY!
PS I DONT SEE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD STAND UP AGAINST BARBARIC ISRAEL AND USA
ONLY IRAN...

^^
I hate our regime and it's evil and I hope for all countries in the world that they never have to deal with such a regime!
and I hope soon as possible this barbaric people will go away from Iran! cause Iran and it's people deserves much better...! all we want is just peace and freedom :)
but the Iranian people are helping you and not by supporting hezbollah (that's the government) but by supporting LEBANON! :)


When we criticize Iran, we criticize it's leadership and it's government! NOT THE PEOPLE!!!!! I wish for the best to the Iranian People, and may they be liberated once and for all! The Iranian people I am sure would rather spend their money on internal national projects rather than squander the funds on some terrorist organization in some far away land!! P.S: so far all the money that Iran has donated has gone through Hisballah and not the government! In order for it to be considered a legitimate gift it would have to go through legitimate governmnetal institutiuons, and not some rogue lawless organization!

^^
At rabbih you may hate and be ungratefull against the IRI we Iranians don't want something else than that the rest of the world hates the IRI!
but we people are always on your side, not hezbollah, but at yours, the people.

Dude hold on! I tell you again Iran has offered nothing to me or "my people" to be grateful for! I don't hate the Iranian people as much as I don't hate the Israelis or Syrians!

Our problem is with corrupt and fantasized regimes wanting to put it's hand over Lebanon for it's strategic location!

On the eve of the fall of the Berlin wall, I say ALL HAIL DEMOCRACY & FREEDOM. Good luck in your fight!

^^
no problem: WE ALL HATE THE IRI.

but as I said, so long as you don't hate the people :)
cause we Iranians love you :)

Man stop fooling yourself an say stand up against Israel, Iran and Israel are working for the same goal, the same purpose and the same objectives. and remember this whole thing started when you were showing off about you helping us rebuild our country and that we are ungrateful, whereas Iran has done nothing but help destroying Lebanon and turn its Shi'a people into fanatics.

^^

ok than if you think I'm wrong
than I'll shut up from now on...
you know as I said we Iranians love lebanese people
but you people obvious don't have any repect for us anyway thanks :)

^^

ok than if you think I'm wrong
than I'll shut up from now on...
you know as I said we Iranians love lebanese people
but you people obvious don't have any repect for us anyway thanks :)

Read what I wrote above, our issue is with the government and not the people!

^^thank you :)
but not for Leb10452km..
anyway I don't care, everyone has the right too have is own thoughts about other people

but anyway it was never my meaning to show off or to insult any one :)

peace :)

no one is saying anything about the Iranian people, i have a lot of Iranian friends and i love them, even my girl friend was Iranian, but when we say Iran we mean the Iranian regime, the regime that Iranians themselves can't wait to get rid of, but whether you hate the regime or you like it, you don't have to be fooled by what they tell you, that they're helping rebuild Lebanon, that's just the point

^^ ok I understand :)

I know how the regime is: corrupt and big liers...

anyway I'm happy you don't hate us because of our shamefull regime :)

no one is saying anything about the Iranian people, i have a lot of Iranian friends and i love them, even my girl friend was Iranian, but when we say Iran we mean the Iranian regime, the regime that Iranians themselves can't wait to get rid of, but whether you hate the regime or you like it, you don't have to be fooled by what they tell you, that they're helping rebuild Lebanon, that's just the point

two of my professors in college were Iranians best professors I have ever had! also one of my best friends is an Iranian Jew lol!

^^ haha Iranian jews are really everywere also in Tehran we have a neighberhoud for them :)

^^ ok I understand :)

I know how the regime is: corrupt and big liers...

anyway I'm happy you don't hate us because of our shamefull regime :)

question, how old are you?

we would never hate a whole people because of its regime. and we just wish Iranians well, and we wish them to be free so that they could look for their country, instead of doing like the current regime which is spreading the Iranian money right and left.

question, how old are you?
18 :)

we would never hate a whole people because of its regime. and we just wish Iranians well, and we wish them to be free so that they could look for their country, instead of doing like the current regime which is spreading the Iranian money right and left.
haha thank you so much buddy for this kind words:)

yes I hope they will leave iran soon! :)

you're most welcome ... :)

Oh boy!! :ohno:


Nicolas: FPM to sue Jouzou in Courts
iloubnan.info - November 03, 2009

BEIRUT – Speaking to OTV channel, Change and Reform bloc MP Nabil Nicolas replied on Tuesday to Mount-Lebanon Mufti Sheikh Mohamad Ali Jozou saying that the Maronite community was present in the Levant long before him.

Nicolas described the statements of Jouzou of “critical, racist and sectarian and must be sentenced by virtue of the Lebanese and international laws”. He said he was surprised that the General Prosecution of Cassation did not take any measure thereto, unveiling that the Free Patriotic Movement was preparing to sue Jouzou in Courts.

The Iranian people I am sure would rather spend their money on internal national projects rather than squander the funds on some terrorist organization in some far away land!!

Ughh!! I guess you still maintain your theory that Israel are angels; and that hezbollah are terrorists. It looks like you just admitted that israel doent mean peace, becuase ur other fellow users did, and u obviously did not mean it. well to bad.

When i first started debating on this forum it was because it was an absolute jungle, with comments portraying no depth, ignorance, that where unbacked, and not thoroughly though of. Users left and right where posting comments, that where ridiculous. I have posted extreme comments here because i want u guys to look at this both ways. I want you guys to look beyond the surface of march 14, look beyond rafic harriri, and not only support him because he is the son of a great man, the son of a man that provided the Lebanese with hope, and joy a neutral man that understood and addressed all the problems of the country, and had a will, to work hard and take action to solve those problems. He understood that people in Southern Lebanon have been teared apart, stolen of their identity, stolen of their hope that they will would never be free again. He understood that Hezbollah was their to save so much lives, there to kick out the israeli terrorists, Hezbollah was their reign of hope and happiness for the Southern Lebanese people. And after, what Israel has done to Lebanon and Palestinian people over the 60 years he know that without Hezbollah Southern Lebanese people are always and will always be in danger. And at the same time he understood that the Syrian Army have been very violent, and hostile towards many Lebanese. But m14's trust me; his son is NOT like that. He is corrupt for his utter financial and Personal Gain, and his personal and financial gain comes through being a virtual remote control for Saudi Arabia. And I know that so much people here support m14 becasue they are development fanatics, and that they want to see the development of their country. But with m14, true some developers will invest more projects, but ultimately they will make the country suffer. Lets take Rafic hariiri for an example this guy is loaded. Has he done anything for his country. Has he helped people in poverty? Has he followed through with his father's development dreams for his country? Has he made an effort to supply the Lebanese people with adequate electricity power? Has he made an effort to improve the schools, hospitals, or other infrastructure in his country. This goes for all of the governmental leaders, including Berri(which i do not support in any way). For the Independents, your dream is a good one but one that is far-fetched. But Hezbollah will never and should never disarm because they are the only people on this earth that are sticking up to terrorists - the Israeli government. And in no way shape or form will israel back of if hezbollah disarm. Especially if m14 is in power; because a m14 government is a government going no where. A government that is not concered for the well being of their country, a government that does not care about their people.

You might be wondering why im posting a random ass essay about politics, well its because i cannot do this anymore. Khalas; this thread is shit. Ovbiosley you guys cannot accept new ideas, and let me tell u something i have better things to do than argue with every user on this forum about Lebanese politics it is no use. But i just ask for 1 thing, think in moderation, dont be selfish, think what Southern Lebanon have been through, be like Saad Harriri take all views and sects of the Lebanese into account and base your opinions on that. I know that all of u here are going to go lite firecrackers, and pm each other saying "yes he is gone know we can ignorantly bash hezbollah all we want without even thinking about what we are saying" :nuts: and melkart allah khaleek, please stop calling hezbollah terrorists, and lebkm its been fun debating with u. I will only post comments when it is absolutely needed, or when and israelis posts shit in this thread.

Peace guys and Remember to Keep And Open Mind. :)

And have fun espressing your opinions without me and Alisaleh providing some sense in return. :)

No one here thinks that Israel is a peaceful loving nation, and I don't think that most of us on here distinguish between a southern Lebanese than from a Northern Lebanese. Having said that, no one wants another war, we believe we can achieve peace and strengthen our country without the interference of rogue nations like Iran and Syria. Liberating the south should be the responsibility of the Lebanese army. Having other armed groups in the country will benefit them and not the state of Lebanon. That is our point of view. There is no sence in arguing it; we have our opinions and you have yours. Our vote should have been counted, but it remains to be achieved, because the opposition will not let democracy run it's course. We won politicaly, and this should clarify why hisballah maintains it's weapons! because they rule with a stick!

YOU DON'T HAVE TO QUOTE THE MESSAGE WRITTEN JUST BEFORE YOURS! IT'S ANNOYING!!

:):)

^^ I agree.... sometimes I edit and insert the ^^


Jader, what's with the new March 14 avatar? just curious...

YOU DON'T HAVE TO QUOTE THE MESSAGE WRITTEN JUST BEFORE YOURS! IT'S ANNOYING!!

:):)

well noted!

Oh boy!! :ohno:


Nicolas: FPM to sue Jouzou in Courts
iloubnan.info - November 03, 2009

BEIRUT – Speaking to OTV channel, Change and Reform bloc MP Nabil Nicolas replied on Tuesday to Mount-Lebanon Mufti Sheikh Mohamad Ali Jozou saying that the Maronite community was present in the Levant long before him.

Nicolas described the statements of Jouzou of “critical, racist and sectarian and must be sentenced by virtue of the Lebanese and international laws”. He said he was surprised that the General Prosecution of Cassation did not take any measure thereto, unveiling that the Free Patriotic Movement was preparing to sue Jouzou in Courts.


USJ ELECTIONS.

March 14 wins , Mabrouk !!!!!

oo thats a march 14 avatar, it looks like a lebanese flag to me, made by people.

^^ Done on March 14 lol.

USJ ELECTIONS.

March 14 wins , Mabrouk !!!!!

lol tayyar.org claims march 8 won the elecions....I love reading tayyar.org its so funny.

Hassoun, that depend on which faculty you're talking about...in FSE Monot for example, the sciences economiques (minority) elected 14 march whereas the Gestion part (majority) elected 8 march.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/img/ap_logo.gif?hl=en

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5hiH63DuZAZ_M0yaVDkFaREIH6GoA?size=l
A ship identified by Ephraim Alter, CEO of Allalouf Shipping, as an arms ship seized by Israeli authorities near Cyprus Wednesday, anchors in the port of the southern Israeli city of Ashdod, Israel, Wednesday, Nov. 4, 2009.
Israeli naval commandos on Wednesday seized an arms ship near Cyprus that was carrying missiles and anti-tank weapons from Iran to Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon, defense officials said. (AP Photo/Avi Roccah)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h3S0DqyLu9CfgcBASy2XHOGCk0IAD9BOP2D80

a pitty that it didn't arrive :( or are they tal king **?

^^ Is it even legal for them to seize ships in International Waters?

a pitty that it didn't arrive :( or are they tal king **?
a pitty? U want hizballa to have even more weapons than it already has? lol

a pitty? U want hizballa to have even more weapons than it already has? lol

Even though I am very neutral with "Lebanese Politics" I am actually fine with Hezbollah's weapons as long as they are aimed to the "outside" and not onto the citizens of Lebanon.

PS: I merger with the Lebanese Army wouldn't be bad either

No.. Hezbollah does not need wepons at all. Im so sick of the excuess that they are fighting against Isreal blah blah blah...We have the Lebanese Army to protect the country.

^^But they don't do so!

Besides, since when israel has the right to seize ships in International Waters? (just like A.K. pointed it out)

^^lol since when does Israel abide to int'l laws? It's like Cartman says...'i do what i waaant'

"Just because it is doesn't mean it should be"

^^yeah and i want to win the lottery :) ...Israel is like a spoiled kid that gets away with everything, but anyway what goes around comes around, it'll get slapped sooner or later.

---

"Just because it is doesn't mean it should be"

Israel broke the law and so did Hisballah! I guess that makes them a bunch of Loosers!

You are hopeless.

you sound like a cliche!

^^ Is it even legal for them to seize ships in International Waters?

if hezbollah and israel are openly enemies, then israel can very well stop hezbollah from recieving more weapons that it knows will be used against israel. quite simple.

Leb.Fr regardless of political orientation, I'm surprised and impressed in the way you're handling rebuffs.. You sound classier and more mature, at least from the Beirut Guy we knew :)

Thank you Rabih :) (You'r not being ironic right?)

John, where have you been?

Hassoun, that depend on which faculty you're talking about...in FSE Monot for example, the sciences economiques (minority) elected 14 march whereas the Gestion part (majority) elected 8 march.

if you read Arabic,with numbers :)


فوز مدوٍ للقوات اللبنانية وقوى 14 آذار بغالبية الكليات واكثرية المندوبين في الجامعة اليسوعية

شهدت الجامعة اليسوعية بكافة فروعها في بيروت والشمال والبقاع والجنوب انتخاباتها الطالبية السنوية يوم الثلثاء في 3 تشرين الثاني 2009. النهار الانتخابي الطويل شهد تنافساً محتدماً بين فريقي "8 آذار" و"14 آذار" في مختلف الفروع والاحرام. في ظل قانون انتخابي جديد يعتمد على النسبية في توزيع المقاعد على الفائزين.

حققت القوات اللبنانية وحلفاؤها في 14 آذار انتصاراً مدوياً في مختلف فروع وكليات الجامعة بعد اكثر من 18 عاما على الانتصارات المتتالية لطلاب التيار العوني الذين طالما اعتبروا الجامعة معقلهم. اتى هذا الانتصار في ظل الانفلاش المتمادي لحزب الله في الجامعة والمحاولات المستمرة لتغيير هويتها السياسية وخصوصيتها التاريخية.

ومن اصل 28 كلية ومعهداً في بيروت والبقاع والشمال، حقق طلاب القوات اللبنانية وقوى 14 آذار انتصارات مدوية في 18 كلية فيما فازت قوى 8 آذار في 5 كليات فقط. وفاز المستقلون في 4 كليات. وتعادل الفريقان في كلية واحدة.

بلغ عدد المندوبين الفائزين من القوات اللبنانية و14 آذار 138 مندوباً في مقابل 99 مندوباً للتيار العوني وقوى 8 آذار، وحصد المستقلون على 26مقعداً.

أما ابرز الكليات التي حققت القوات انتصارات فيها، فكانت كلية الهندسة في حرم العلوم التقنية – مار روكز للمرة الاولى منذ 18 عاماً بنتيجة 9 مقاعد لقوى 14 آذار مقابل 6 لقوى 8 آذار. كما فازت القوات اللبنانية وقوى 14 آذار بنتيجة 5 – 3 ومقعد للمستقلين في معهد المعلوماتية الإدارية. فاز التيار العوني بنتيجة 5-3 في معهد INCI. وفاز التيار العوني و8 آذار في كلية العلوم بنتيجة 9 مقاعد مقابل 6 للقوات اللبنانية وقوى 14 آذار.

الانتصار المدوي امتد للمرة الاولى إلى حرم العلوم الانسانية – طريق الشام التي اعتاد طلاب التيار العوني الفوز فيها والتي تحتوي على عدد كبير من الطلاب الايرانيين، حيث فازت القوات اللبنانية وقوى 14 آذار في 5 كليات من اصل 6 فيما لم تشهد الكلية السادسة انتخابات. واتت النتائج على الشكل الاتي؛ 7-3 في ETIB، أما في FLSH فجاءت النتيجة 10-7 لصالح 14 آذار، أما في IESAV ففازت 14 آذار بخمسة مقاعد مقابل إثنين، وكذلك ففازت 14 آذار بنتيجة 6-0 في كلية FSEDU. أما في كلية ILE ففازت 14 آذار بنتيجة ساحقة 8-0.

اما حرم العلوم الاجتماعية – شارع مونو فشهد انتصاراً للقوات و14 آذار في 3 كليات هي العلوم الاقتصادية والعلوم السياسية والتأمين فيما تعادل فريقي 14 و8 آذار في الحقوق مقابل 3 مقاعد للمستقلين. اما كلية ادارة الاعمال ففازت قوى 8 آذار بنتيجة 9-6. أما النتائج فأتت على الشكل التالي، في كلية العلوم الاقتصادية 7 مقاعد للقوات وقوى 14 آذار مقابل 6 لقوى 8 آذار. في كلية العلوم السياسية 6 مقاعد للقوات و14 آذار مقابل 5 لقوى 8 آذار. في كلية الحقوق 4 مقاعد للقوات وقوى 14 آذار و4 لقوى 8 آذار و3 مقاعد للمستقلين. في كلية التأمين 9 مقاعد للقوات و14 آذار و1 للتيار العوني وقوى 8 آذار.

وشهد حرم العلوم الطبية – طريق الشام فوز قوى 14 آذار في كل من كليات التمريض والعلاج الفيزيائي والقابلة القانونية والتغذية وETLAM . وفازت قوى 8 آذار في كلية الصيدلة . وفاز المستقلون في كلية طب الاسنان ومعهد Phsychomotricite و Orthophonie بالتزكية حيث اخذت المعركة طابعاً غير سياسي في طب الاسنان. وتعادل الفريقان في Ecole Sociale. أما النتائج فأتت على الشكل الاتي: في كلية طب الاسنان 5 للقوات و2 للمستقلين و6 لقوى 8 آذار. في كلية الصيدلية 10 للتيار العوني و5 للقوات. في كلية الطب 6 لقوى 14 آذار، 9 للتيار العوني و3 للمستقلين. في معهد التمريض 6-4 لقوى 14 آذار. في كلية ETLAM 6-2 لقوى 14 آذار. في كلية التغذية 6-2 لقوى 14 آذار. في العلاج الفيزيائي 4 لقوى 14 آذار و3 لقوى 8 آذار ومستقل واحد بالتزكية. في مدرسة القابلة القانونية 7-1 لقوى 14 آذار وتوزعت على الشكل الاتي: 3 "قوات لبنانية" و3 "مستقبل" و"14 آذار". تعادل الفريقان بنتيجة 2-2 في Ecole Social.

أما في فرع الشمال فقد فازت القوات اللبنانية وقوى 14 آذار بنتيجة 5-3. وحققت الانتصار نفسه في البقاع حيث فازت القوات في كلية الزراعة بنتيجة 9-1 وفي كلية ادراة الاعمال بنتيجة 4-2.

وفيما قام موقع التيار العوني بالتسويق للفوز في فرع الجنوب. اتضح بأن الجامعة لم تشهد معركة انتخابية بتمن من عميد الفرع في الجنوب. وقد فاز مستقلون من غير الحزبيين بالتزكية بالمقاعد الاربعة وهم مارون اسمر، محمد الحريري، شفيق البوجي ومنى بدر الدين.

كالعادة وكما في كل عام اقدم القيمون على الانتخابات من جانب التيار الوطني الحر على بث الشائعات وتنصيب انفسهم في خانة المنتصرين إن عبر اتهامات جائرة بحق طلاب القوات اللبنانية وقوى 14 آذار، أو عبر التغطية على الممارسات الميليشياوية لطلاب حزب الله الذي يحاول تمكين قبضته على الجامعة سنة بعد سنة.

^^Of course I can read arabic!
And the article confirm my statement: "amma koulliyyat idarat al a3mal fa fazat kouwa 8 athar". And in the Monot Campus there are more students in the Gestion than in the other faculties.

I am not questioning the win of 14 march.

What do these elections mean anyway? What do political parties have to do in Universities?

^^ in Lebanon it means alot.

At least Aoun can't say he represent the majority of the Christians and thanx to him we don't have a government yet.he uses that excuse a lot. and these elections just slapped him on his face.lol,on Wednesday he attacked the univ. that was amusing :D so ask him what elections at universities have to do with politics.

^^ Tell that to Aoun then ;)

Really? I didn't know that all the christians of Lebanon went to universities.

And why does Lebanon have to be an exceptions. I know that in universities they do elections to choose students for certain representative post. They should represent students and not political parties.

^^ Because this is LEBANON.

u r asking why Lebanon is an exception? lol sorry but this will need 10 SSCs forums.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/img/ap_logo.gif?hl=en

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5hiH63DuZAZ_M0yaVDkFaREIH6GoA?size=l
A ship identified by Ephraim Alter, CEO of Allalouf Shipping, as an arms ship seized by Israeli authorities near Cyprus Wednesday, anchors in the port of the southern Israeli city of Ashdod, Israel, Wednesday, Nov. 4, 2009.
Israeli naval commandos on Wednesday seized an arms ship near Cyprus that was carrying missiles and anti-tank weapons from Iran to Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon, defense officials said. (AP Photo/Avi Roccah)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h3S0DqyLu9CfgcBASy2XHOGCk0IAD9BOP2D80

Hezbollah denied the whole thing. I believe it was a setup by the Israeli government just as the world was getting ready to see the Goldstein Report and vote on whether Israel committed war crimes in Gaza or not. In conclusion the Israeli government wanted to shift International attention, and dosent Hezbollah had better ways of getting weapons (via Syria, etc...), and the Israeli seizure and boarding of this vessel in International Waters is against International Law unless permitted to by the UN (ex. Somalia), So Israel violated International Law

^^
Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported on Thursday that Israel’s security forces “released” the vessel accused of carrying weapons to Hezbollah from Iran on Wednesday, enabling it to pursue its original route throughout the Mediterranean Sea.

Upon unloading the ship’s cargo Thursday morning, Israel had found that the crew on the Francop was not connected to the weapons on board.

-NOW Lebanon

05/11/2009 Hezbollah slammed on Thursday the eleventh report of the United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon on UN resolution 1701 as unfair to Lebanon and its Resistance.

In a statement it released, Hezbollah emphasized that the report described in length limited incidents in the south without detailing Israeli violations of Lebanese sovereignty. "The report describes more than 10,000 air, land and sea violations against Lebanon since 14 August 2006 as breaching to UN resolution 1701; yet it continuously stresses on a few limited incidents which occurred in Lebanon," the statement said.

"Which assault is more dangerous? The continuation of Israeli violations, espionage activities, spy cells, launching rockets on South Lebanon and statements which assure that Israel will continue to gather intelligence from Lebanon.... or a limited number of incidents which do not equate the constant Israeli violations?" the Resistance party wondered.

The party also wondered why the report described in "passing words" the Israeli attacks while it mentioned in length every incident on Lebanese territory.

"Is Israel's decision not to leave the Ghajar area a usual and impulsive issue or it should be efficiently stirred and discussed at the Security Council , holding Israel responsible for an immediate withdraw or facing repercussions? Besides, is the occupation of the Sheba'a farms and Kafarshouba hills a normal and usual issue too, or should "Israel" withdraw without any conditions or void excuses?" Hezbollah also asked the UN chief in its statement.

The Resistance party concluded its statement by pointing that the report should have shed light on Israeli violations that cause worries and instability in the region instead of ignoring the Israeli violations and by that encouraging the Zionist entity to carry on its aggression against Lebanon and its people.

-Al Manar

NOW Exclusive: Cabinet to be formed by Saturday at the latest
November 6, 2009

A well-informed source told NOW on Friday that the new cabinet will be formed by Saturday at the latest, adding the government-lineup proposal would be based on the agreement to grant the Change and Reform bloc the portfolios of Telecommunications, Tourism, Industry as well as the Energy Ministry to be headed by Telecom Minister Gebran Bassil.

-NOW Lebanon

Whatever we are fucked if we do, we are fucked if we don't.

c'est la libanaise

^^Chou hiyyeh hey?? :nuts:

lol If you mean my phrase.... its a play on c'est la vie ..... because only the lebanese are screwed if they don't form a gov't and are screwed when they do. There is no upside to this situation.... not for you or I at least!

Lebanese politics to me is a completely spectator sport. You can cheer for march 8th, I can cheer for march 14, but when the game is done and the score is settled we walk in the same way we walked out, no one has gained anything except for the players.

its like they say in lebanon ... titi titi metl ma ri7ti metl ma jeeti ....

Ammar Moussawi says obstacles impeding cabinet formation are resolved

November 6, 2009

Hezbollah International Relations Officer Ammar Moussawi told LBCI television that the obstacles impeding the cabinet formation have been resolved and that it is in the final stages of formation.

Parties saying that they are still negotiating over the Ministerial Statement only intend to improve their position in the cabinet deliberations, said Moussawi, highlighting, “An agreement with major figures of the March 14 alliance was reached on the content of the Ministerial Statement.

He also commented on the Memorandum of Understanding between Hezbollah and the Free Patriotic Movement, saying that “it is not the reason behind the deteriorating relationship between FPM leader MP Michel Aoun and Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Boutros Sfeir.”

Moussawi added that there are domestic as well as foreign attacks on the MoU.

-NOW Lebanon

^^ Hopefully, now In the next few weeks lots of projects will be announced.

Disturbing News:




Jordanian newspaper Ad-Dustour reported on Friday that French MPs and politicians have talked about a possible Israeli war on Lebanon in Spring 2010 after the “uncertain” outcome of Tel Aviv’s decision to attack Iran’s nuclear drive.

A French MP, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told the daily that Israel will try to pressure the international community into confronting Tehran, especially after the US refused to take part of a military engagement against Iran.

A meeting between French, US and Israeli military experts was held in France last month, during which Israeli military officials proposed possible plans of attack against Lebanon in Spring 2010, the MP added.

He also said that Tel Aviv is trying to weaken Iran’s support for Lebanon and Gaza to pave the way for a possible Israeli attack on Tehran’s nuclear facilities without fearing a counterstrike from Hezbollah, Hamas or other Gaza militants.

Another French military source stressed that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon’s 11th report on the implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701, “which blamed Hezbollah alone but exonerated Israel, makes us believe there is an attempt to legitimize a [future] Israeli military operation against Lebanon.”

The source also highlighted that the report did not mention Israel’s espionage networks recently discovered in Lebanon or Tel Aviv’s recurrent violations of Lebanese airspace.

The source said that repositioning of UNIFIL contingents or the withdrawal of French troops from the South “would be a clear sign that an Israeli war is imminent.”

-NOW Lebanon

There are major points and observations in that article to take into consideration.

Whatever we are fucked if we do, we are fucked if we don't.

c'est la libanaise


You know i've been searching for a sig! thank you!:D

LOL YOU ARE WELCOME!!

I might get that tattooed on my ass somewhere lol (Im joking) such a sad shitty situation you can't do anything but make fun of it.

Its sad how much we debate, and hate each other as citizens and really its never benefited us. Its like we are cheering for teams. 3ANJAD.

The funny thing is that we are all aware of this ,yet we fight,we come to this conclusion,then we start all over again :|

I just remembered what my arabic teacher said once while my friends and I were arguing w n2ol kalimet mich ktir ley2a...."heydeh bet koun ejet 3ala 2albek metlel 3assal"....


Enno even tough we argue and attack each other, we don't meant it, it's just our way of life, our conception of a civilised discussion.

Sad, but unique..........................

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The Francop vessel, which Israel alleges carried Iranian weapons destined for Hezbollah, enters the port of Beirut on Friday. (AFP/HO)

LAF begins interrogating Francop vessel’s crew
after it enters Lebanese waters



The Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) began interrogating the crew of the Francop vessel, which was seized Wednesday by Israel for allegedly carrying Iranian weapons destined for Hezbollah and then released, after it entered Lebanese territorial waters.

The LAF issued a statement saying, "The Francop ship entered Lebanese territorial waters at noon today and upon its arrival off Beirut port, the navy, in cooperation with UN naval forces, searched the vessel.”

"Military intelligence began interrogating the crew on the motives for the seizure of the vessel while the concerned authorities... will take all the necessary measures to ensure it does not carry banned goods," the statement said.

Israel alleges that the ship is carrying "hundreds of tons" of weapons.

According to Israel, the arsenal included rockets, grenades and ammunition, which Tehran was sending to Hezbollah.

-AFP/NOW Lebanon

The Francop Ship is at Beirut's Port (took a screen shot):

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By Laila Bassam

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Lebanon's opposition, including Iranian-backed Hezbollah, agreed on Friday to join a national unity government proposed by Prime Minister-designate Saad al-Hariri, a senior opposition source said.

"The Lebanese opposition has approved the proposed unity government," the source told Reuters after opposition leaders held a late-night meeting.

The source said the opposition would officially inform Hariri of its decision on Saturday and expected the new government to be formed in the coming two days.

Hariri's spokesman was not immediately available to comment on the report.

Hariri, who is backed by the United States and Saudi Arabia, was nominated as prime minister-designate after he led his anti-Syrian coalition to victory in parliamentary election in June.

He has spent more than four months trying to broker a deal with the opposition to join a unity cabinet. A warming of ties between the two sides' main backers Syria and Saudi Arabia in recent weeks helped ease the rift in Beirut and led eventually to the breakthrough.

The rival factions had agreed in July on the broad division of seats in the new cabinet. But Hariri, son of assassinated statesman Rafik al-Hariri, had struggled to reach agreement with opposition politicians on the details.

At the heart of the dispute were the demands of Christian leader Michel Aoun, an ally of Hezbollah. Aoun's Free Patriotic Movement holds more seats in parliament than any other Christian party.

The new 30-minister cabinet is set to include 15 ministers from Hariri's coalition, 10 from the opposition including two Hezbollah ministers, and five, including the key interior and defense portfolios, will be nominated by President Michel Suleiman.

Incumbents Ziad Baroud and Michel al-Murr, loyal to the president, are set to keep their interior and defense portfolios, while new foreign and finance ministers are expected to be named.

Hariri had named Raya Hassan for finance minister, responsible for managing Lebanon's massive public debt burden, in an earlier proposal that was rejected by the opposition.

Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri, the main Shi'ite Muslim ally of Hezbollah, is set to name the new foreign minister, political sources said.

finally the cabinet is due to be formed today or tomorrow ...

By Laila Bassam

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Lebanon's opposition, including Iranian-backed Hezbollah, agreed on Friday to join a national unity government proposed by Prime Minister-designate Saad al-Hariri, a senior opposition source said.

"The Lebanese opposition has approved the proposed unity government," the source told Reuters after opposition leaders held a late-night meeting.

The source said the opposition would officially inform Hariri of its decision on Saturday and expected the new government to be formed in the coming two days.

Hariri's spokesman was not immediately available to comment on the report.

Hariri, who is backed by the United States and Saudi Arabia, was nominated as prime minister-designate after he led his anti-Syrian coalition to victory in parliamentary election in June.

He has spent more than four months trying to broker a deal with the opposition to join a unity cabinet. A warming of ties between the two sides' main backers Syria and Saudi Arabia in recent weeks helped ease the rift in Beirut and led eventually to the breakthrough.

The rival factions had agreed in July on the broad division of seats in the new cabinet. But Hariri, son of assassinated statesman Rafik al-Hariri, had struggled to reach agreement with opposition politicians on the details.

At the heart of the dispute were the demands of Christian leader Michel Aoun, an ally of Hezbollah. Aoun's Free Patriotic Movement holds more seats in parliament than any other Christian party.

The new 30-minister cabinet is set to include 15 ministers from Hariri's coalition, 10 from the opposition including two Hezbollah ministers, and five, including the key interior and defense portfolios, will be nominated by President Michel Suleiman.

Incumbents Ziad Baroud and Michel al-Murr, loyal to the president, are set to keep their interior and defense portfolios, while new foreign and finance ministers are expected to be named.

Hariri had named Raya Hassan for finance minister, responsible for managing Lebanon's massive public debt burden, in an earlier proposal that was rejected by the opposition.

Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri, the main Shi'ite Muslim ally of Hezbollah, is set to name the new foreign minister, political sources said.

according to Annahar, Aoun will get 5 ministries ( post and telecommunications, energy and water, industry, tourism, and a ministry of state ) Berri will get 3 ministries ( foreign affairs and emigrants, public health, and probably youth and sports ) hezballah will get 2 ministries ( agriculture, and maybe ministry of administrative reform )

you know what i'm gonna say it and probably get shit for it, but aoun does NOT deserve that many ministeries; especially such important ones that need alot of reform!!! He didnt capture the majority of the Christian vote this time. And I really can't believe it's the opposition that puts demands on the cabinet. Aoun should have only gotten 2 or 3 ministries.

On a positive note, good to hear ziad baroud is sticking around.

19:33 Al-Manar Exclusive: Phalange candidates are Salim Sayegh and Sejaan Kazzi
19:32 Al-Manar Exclusive: Phalange portfolios are Labor and State Ministry

19:31 Al-Manar Exclusive: Social Affairs portfolio for LF, Justice for Boutros Harb

19:30 Opposition sources: Hezbollah will accept to abandon Labor Ministry

19:27 Hariri's proposal to Hezbollah includes agriculture and administrative development

19:25 Al-Manar Exclusive: AMAL portfolios in cabinet are foreign affairs, health and youth

19:23 Al-Manar Exclusive: FPM portfolios in cabinet are telecoms, energy, tourism and indus

FPM get the tourism portfolio :(

^^ Ironic.

Anne Frank diary offends Lebanon's Hezbollah
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By Natacha Yazbeck (AFP) – 1 day ago

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BEIRUT — Anne Frank's diary has been censored out of a school textbook in Lebanon following a campaign by the militant group Hezbollah claiming the classic work promotes Zionism.

The row erupted after Hezbollah learned excerpts of "The Diary of Anne Frank" were included in the textbook used by a private English-language school in western Beirut.

Hezbollah's Al-Manar television channel ran a report slamming the book for focusing on the persecution of Jews.

"What is even more dangerous is the dramatic, theatrical way in which the diary is emotionally recounted," said the report aired last week and also published on the station's website.

It questioned how long Lebanon would "remain an open arena for the Zionist invasion of education."

A member of the school board, Jimmy Shoufani, told AFP the school dropped the textbook from its curriculum after the controversy erupted. He asked that the school not be identified.

Hezbollah officials could not reached for comment.

In the Al-Manar report, party MP Hussein Hajj Hassan had criticized the school for showing poor judgement in picking out its textbooks.

"These respected, established schools are teaching the so-called tragedy this girl lived, and yet they are ashamed to teach the tragedy of the Lebanese people, the tragedy of the Palestinian people... the tragedy of the people of the south under the hands of Zionist occupation," he told Al-Manar.

Paris-based organisation Aladdin's Project, which fights Holocaust denial and first translated Anne Frank's diary into Arabic, issued a statement condemning Hezbollah's "intimidation campaign."

Hezbollah fought a devastating war with the Jewish state in 2006. It has since refused to surrender its weapons arguing they are necessary to fight Israel, which withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000 after close to two decades of occupation.

The militant party last month also took aim at another textbook used in a leading private school in Beirut in which Hezbollah and the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas are referred to as "terrorist organisations".

The chapter in question is usually blanked out by Lebanon's censorship bureau, but an uncensored copy purchased by a student abroad apparently sparked the uproar.

Lebanon, which remains technically at war with Israel, bans the import of products from the Jewish state.

Attorney Naim Kalaani, a member of a committee to ban Zionist products, told Al-Manar that use of the book was a violation of Lebanon's penal code and "tantamount to a step toward normalisation" in ties with Israel.

However journalist and criminologist Omar Nashabe rejected such arguments as unfounded.

"The law talks about the state of Israel -- the Israeli flag, Israeli institutions, the Israeli entity, as a nation," Nashabe told AFP.

"Besides Anne Frank is not Israeli," he added. "Anne Frank is part of world literature."

He also pointed out that Frank's diary was available online.

Frank wrote the diary while her family hid from Nazi police and sympathizers in an Amsterdam attic from 1942 to 1944.

She later died in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp at the age of 15, and the diary was published posthumously.

Copyright © 2009 AFP. All rights reserved

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Lebanese soldiers inspect the Francop, which Israel claims was carrying weapons destined for Hezbollah, at the port of Beirut on Friday. (AFP/HO)

^^ Ironic.

sadly.... after so many years of screwing Lebanon about its now their job to promote it :(

Looks like no women representing "opposition " in this cabinet,i don't understand why especially from the FPM,and their reform :D remember the "sois belle et vote" campain??

19:30 Hajj Hussein Khalil says national unity cabinet “practically formed,”
no disagreement on Ministerial Statement

Security forces recover sea-mine near Byblos port

The Voice of Lebanon radio station reported on Saturday that security forces recovered near the port of Byblos a sea mine inscribed with Hebrew-language writing.

According to the station, the mine is active and will be defused Sunday.

Voice of Lebanon also reported that security forces took all necessary measures to ensure the safety of the site where the mine was discovered.

-NOW Lebanon

Hassoun shu min badon yjibo Gilbert zwein ?? hahahhahahahhaa:lol:

20:05 LBCI: Prime Minister-designate Saad Hariri will meet with majority leaders in upcoming hours, prior to declaring cabinet formation!

^^Its about time

for those who read arabic :P
"الحياة" تنشر اسماء وزراء الحكومة الجديدة
نشرت صحيفة "الحياة" أسماء وزراء الحكومة الجديدة على الشكل الآتي: - حصة رئيس الجمهورية (5 وزراء): إلياس المر للدفاع ونائباً لرئيس الحكومة، وسمير مقبل (عن الأرثوذكس)، زياد بارود للداخلية عن الموارنة، عدنان السيد حسين وزير دولة عن الشيعة وعدنان القصار وزير دولة عن السنّة.

- حصة «أمل» و «حزب الله» (5 وزراء شيعة): الدكتور علي الشامي للخارجية، الدكتور محمد جواد خليفة للصحة، والدكتور علي حسين العبدالله للشباب والرياضة وجميعهم من «أمل»، فيما ينتظر أن يمثل «حزب الله» محمد فنيش للتنمية الإدارية وحسين الحاج حسن للزراعة.

- حصة «تكتل التغيير والإصلاح»: جبران باسيل للطاقة وفادي عبود أو بيار رفول للصناعة (وهما مارونيان) وإدغار معلوف أو سيزار خليل للاتصالات (كاثوليك). وأبلغ حزب الطاشناق العماد عون مساء السبت اسم الوزير الأرمني الذي سيمثله وهو بقي طي الكتمان ليتولى السياحة أو الصناعة، فيما سيمثل تيار «المردة» الذي يتزعمه النائب فرنجية يوسف سعادة من قيادة التيار وهو من الطائفة المارونية وسيتولى وزارة دولة.

- حصة تيار «المستقبل»: إضافة الى الحريري ستتولى ريا الحفار الحسن حقيبة المال، إضافة الى وزير من التيار لحقيبة التربية لم يعرف اسمه حتى الآن وسيسميه الحريري في اللحظة الأخيرة. والثلاثة من الطائفة السنية. ويتوقع تسمية ميشال فرعون لحقيبة الإعلام أو وزير دولة (كاثوليكي) وجان أوغاسبيان (الوزير الأرمني الثاني) وهما من حلفاء تيار «المستقبل».

- حصة «القوات اللبنانية»: سليم وردة وزير دولة (كاثوليكي) وعماد واكيم للعمل أو الشؤون الاجتماعية (أرثوذكسي).

- حصة الكتائب: نائب رئيس الحزب سليم الصايغ، للعمل أو الشؤون الاجتماعية.

- حصة اللقاء النيابي الديموقراطي: غازي العريضي للأشغال، أكرم شهيب للمهجرين ووائل أبو فاعور وزير دولة لشؤون البرلمان. والثلاثة من الطائفة الدرزية.

- حصة المستقلين الحلفاء للأكثرية: طارق متري للإعلام أو وزير دولة عن الأرثوذكس، بطرس حرب للعدل (ماروني) تمام سلام للثقافة ومحمد الصفدي للاقتصاد (والاثنان عن السنة).

One women: Rayya Al-Haffar Hassan for Ministry of Finance
And I'm glad Ziad Baroud is still head of ministry of interior

for those who read arabic :P
"الحياة" تنشر اسماء وزراء الحكومة الجديدة
نشرت صحيفة "الحياة" أسماء وزراء الحكومة الجديدة على الشكل الآتي: - حصة رئيس الجمهورية (5 وزراء): إلياس المر للدفاع ونائباً لرئيس الحكومة، وسمير مقبل (عن الأرثوذكس)، زياد بارود للداخلية عن الموارنة، عدنان السيد حسين وزير دولة عن الشيعة وعدنان القصار وزير دولة عن السنّة.

- حصة «أمل» و «حزب الله» (5 وزراء شيعة): الدكتور علي الشامي للخارجية، الدكتور محمد جواد خليفة للصحة، والدكتور علي حسين العبدالله للشباب والرياضة وجميعهم من «أمل»، فيما ينتظر أن يمثل «حزب الله» محمد فنيش للتنمية الإدارية وحسين الحاج حسن للزراعة.

- حصة «تكتل التغيير والإصلاح»: جبران باسيل للطاقة وفادي عبود أو بيار رفول للصناعة (وهما مارونيان) وإدغار معلوف أو سيزار خليل للاتصالات (كاثوليك). وأبلغ حزب الطاشناق العماد عون مساء السبت اسم الوزير الأرمني الذي سيمثله وهو بقي طي الكتمان ليتولى السياحة أو الصناعة، فيما سيمثل تيار «المردة» الذي يتزعمه النائب فرنجية يوسف سعادة من قيادة التيار وهو من الطائفة المارونية وسيتولى وزارة دولة.

- حصة تيار «المستقبل»: إضافة الى الحريري ستتولى ريا الحفار الحسن حقيبة المال، إضافة الى وزير من التيار لحقيبة التربية لم يعرف اسمه حتى الآن وسيسميه الحريري في اللحظة الأخيرة. والثلاثة من الطائفة السنية. ويتوقع تسمية ميشال فرعون لحقيبة الإعلام أو وزير دولة (كاثوليكي) وجان أوغاسبيان (الوزير الأرمني الثاني) وهما من حلفاء تيار «المستقبل».

- حصة «القوات اللبنانية»: سليم وردة وزير دولة (كاثوليكي) وعماد واكيم للعمل أو الشؤون الاجتماعية (أرثوذكسي).

- حصة الكتائب: نائب رئيس الحزب سليم الصايغ، للعمل أو الشؤون الاجتماعية.

- حصة اللقاء النيابي الديموقراطي: غازي العريضي للأشغال، أكرم شهيب للمهجرين ووائل أبو فاعور وزير دولة لشؤون البرلمان. والثلاثة من الطائفة الدرزية.

- حصة المستقلين الحلفاء للأكثرية: طارق متري للإعلام أو وزير دولة عن الأرثوذكس، بطرس حرب للعدل (ماروني) تمام سلام للثقافة ومحمد الصفدي للاقتصاد (والاثنان عن السنة).


I sum up in english would have been nice.

Al-Manar
November 08, 2009
Once again, the Zionist entity seemed to be "depressed" after another attempt to hit the Lebanese and Palestinian Resistance was found to be useless.

On Wednesday, Israeli Navy commando force, that reached the deep sea in small boats, boarded the Francop, a cargo ship owned by charter company UFS traveling under an Antiguan flag. According to Israeli media, the crew of sailors did not resist the commando and said that they did not know what was in the large container on board. The commando force opened the container and revealed missiles, rockets, shells, grenades, and small arms.

The Israeli "novel" doesn't end here. The main point is the following: the weapons are Iranians, they are destined to Hezbollah. Concentrating in this point, the Zionist entity sought to influence the international public opinion and "fabricate" a new story against the Resistance.

But, "unfortunately," Israel failed in just convincing this international public opinion of the "accuracy" of its "novel."

According to Israeli daily Yedihot Ahronot, the Zionist entity felt depressed by its failure especially that the most important and prominent dailies and newspapers of the world didn't deal with the news as Israel has wished. The Israeli daily said that the capture news did not produce any "choc" within the international media panels, unlike the Hezbollah denial that made the headlines.

Indeed, top US dailies such as New York Times and Washington Post didn't believe the news was a big deal. They published it in the secondary news. It didn't get any priority in other UK dailies such as Daily Telegraph and The Guardian. Moreover, the Western dailies that published the "story" referred it to its initial Israeli sources without adopting it, at the time many of them openly said that the whole issue was an Israeli "fabrication".

I sum up in english would have been nice.

Heres a very rough translation:

"Life," published the names of new cabinet ministers
Newspaper "Life" and the names of new cabinet ministers as follows: - share the president (5 ministers): Elias Murr, the defense and deputy prime minister, and Samir future (for the Orthodox), Ziad Baroud for the Interior of the Maronites, Mr. Adnan Hussein, Minister of State for the Shiites, Adnan Kassar, Minister of State for the year.

- Amal «hope» and «Hezbollah» (5 Shiite ministers): Dr. Ali Al-Shami of Foreign Affairs, Dr. Mohammed Jawad Khalifa of Health, and Dr. Ali Hussein Al-Abdullah of Youth and Sports and all of them «hope», while expected to be a «Hezbollah» Mohammed Fneish Development Administrative and Hussein Hajj Hassan to agriculture.

- «Change and Reform Bloc»: Energy Bassil, Fadi Abboud, Pierre Raffoul or for industry (two Maronian) and Edgar Maalouf, Khalil Cesar or Telecom (Catholic). He informed the party Tashnaq General Aoun on Saturday evening the Armenian name of the minister whom he remained a secret to take over the tourism industry, as will stream «Marada» which is headed by Attorney Joseph Franjieh happier than the current leadership of the Maronite community and will be the Ministry of State.

- «future»: in addition to Hariri, Hasan will rig the RIA bag of money, in addition to the Minister of current to a bag of Education did not know his name so far and Sisemeh Hariri in the last minute. All three are from the Sunni community. It is expected to nominate Michel Pharaon as Minister of Information or the Minister of State (Catholic) and Jean Oghassabian (Minister Armenian II) and two allies stream «future».

- «Lebanese Forces»: a sound and apostasy, and Minister of State (Catholic) and Imad Wakim for business or social affairs (Orthodox).

- Share battalions: Vice Chairman of the Party Salim Sayegh, for business or social affairs.

- The share of Democratic Representative Meeting: Ghazi Aridi works, Akram Shoaib Immigrants and Wael Abu Faour, Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs. All three are from the Druze community.

- Share of independent allies of the majority: Tarek Mitri told the media or the Minister of State for the Orthodox, Boutros Harb of Justice (Maronite) Culture Tammam Salam, Mohammed Safadi of the economy (and the two on the year).

Al-Manar
November 08, 2009
Once again, the Zionist entity seemed to be "depressed" after another attempt to hit the Lebanese and Palestinian Resistance was found to be useless.

On Wednesday, Israeli Navy commando force, that reached the deep sea in small boats, boarded the Francop, a cargo ship owned by charter company UFS traveling under an Antiguan flag. According to Israeli media, the crew of sailors did not resist the commando and said that they did not know what was in the large container on board. The commando force opened the container and revealed missiles, rockets, shells, grenades, and small arms.

The Israeli "novel" doesn't end here. The main point is the following: the weapons are Iranians, they are destined to Hezbollah. Concentrating in this point, the Zionist entity sought to influence the international public opinion and "fabricate" a new story against the Resistance.

But, "unfortunately," Israel failed in just convincing this international public opinion of the "accuracy" of its "novel."

According to Israeli daily Yedihot Ahronot, the Zionist entity felt depressed by its failure especially that the most important and prominent dailies and newspapers of the world didn't deal with the news as Israel has wished. The Israeli daily said that the capture news did not produce any "choc" within the international media panels, unlike the Hezbollah denial that made the headlines.

Indeed, top US dailies such as New York Times and Washington Post didn't believe the news was a big deal. They published it in the secondary news. It didn't get any priority in other UK dailies such as Daily Telegraph and The Guardian. Moreover, the Western dailies that published the "story" referred it to its initial Israeli sources without adopting it, at the time many of them openly said that the whole issue was an Israeli "fabrication".

About the Francop Weapons story, heres an interesting fact: The 36 Containers in which the weapons were found in WERE NOT EVEN DESTINED FOR LEBANON, sources would not name which country the 36 Containers were destined to be delivered to (probably Syria). The Ship was destined to stop in Limassol (Cyprus), Latika (Syria), and then Beirut (Lebanon) so the 36 containers which contained the weapons were either bring dropped off in Cyprus or Syria NOT Lebanon, and this reveals how fabricated this story is.

Heres a very rough translation:

"Life," published the names of new cabinet ministers
Newspaper "Life"

It's Al-Hyatt Newspaper LOL

It's Al-Hyatt Newspaper LOL

:lol: It was a "rough" translation :D

Heres a very rough translation:

"Life," published the names of new cabinet ministers
Newspaper "Life" and the names of new cabinet ministers as follows: - share the president (5 ministers): Elias Murr, the defense and deputy prime minister, and Samir future (for the Orthodox), Ziad Baroud for the Interior of the Maronites, Mr. Adnan Hussein, Minister of State for the Shiites, Adnan Kassar, Minister of State for the year.

- Amal «hope» and «Hezbollah» (5 Shiite ministers): Dr. Ali Al-Shami of Foreign Affairs, Dr. Mohammed Jawad Khalifa of Health, and Dr. Ali Hussein Al-Abdullah of Youth and Sports and while expected to be a «Hezbollah» Mohammed Fneish Development Administrative and Hussein Hajj Hassan to agriculture.

- «Change and Reform Bloc»: , Fadi Abboud, Pierre Raffoul or for industry (two Maronian) and Edgar Maalouf, Khalil Cesar or Telecom (Catholic). He informed the party Tashnaq General Aoun on Saturday evening the Armenian name of the minister whom he remained a secret to take over the tourism industry, as will which is headed by Attorney Joseph Franjieh happier than the current leadership of the Maronite community and will be the Ministry of State.

- «future»: in addition to Hariri, Hasan will rig the RIA bag of money, in addition to the did not know his name so far and in the last minute. All three are from the Sunni community. It is expected to nominate Michel Pharaon as Minister of Information or the Minister of State (Catholic) and Jean Oghassabian (Minister Armenian II) and two allies stream «future».

- «Lebanese Forces»: , and Minister of State (Catholic) and Imad Wakim for business or social affairs (Orthodox).

- Share battalions: Vice Chairman of the Party Salim Sayegh, for business or social affairs.

- The share of Democratic Representative Meeting: Ghazi Aridi works, Akram Shoaib Immigrants and Wael Abu Faour, Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs. All three are from the Druze community.

- Share of independent allies of the majority: Tarek Mitri told the media or the Minister of State for the Orthodox, Boutros Harb of Justice (Maronite) Culture Tammam Salam, Mohammed Safadi of the economy (and the two on the year).

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
that was soooooooooooooooooooo funny

samir mokbil = samir future
yousef s3ade = Joseph happiness
salim warde = a sound and apostasy
*hasan will Ria the bag of many
*Sisemeh Hariri
*Minister of current to a bag of Education
*all of them «hope»,
*stream «Marada»
*Energy Bassil
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

i once used google translator to translate "law7at faniya turathiya" and it gave me christina aguilera !!!!:nuts::nuts:

One women: Rayya Al-Haffar Hassan for Ministry of Finance
And I'm glad Ziad Baroud is still head of ministry of interior

i think bahia hariri will remain in education, as such we will have 2 women !!

^^ No,Bahia won't be there.

where did u hear that ???
and who will they bring instead?? khalid 2abani ???

20:26 | Sakr expects new cabinet to be announced Tuesday, says lineup “fair” to March 14 Christians

^^ @ Martyr ... No,Hassan Mneimneh :S MTV is the source.

Dispute persists over Israel's weapons-shipment claims
Release of vessel and crew casts doubt on validity of claims


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BEIRUT: The dispute over Israel’s claimed haul of “hundreds of tons” of rockets it said was aboard a ship bound for Hizbullah showed no sign of abating over the weekend as the Antiguan-owned vessel docked in Beirut. Israel claims that it seized cargo from a ship after naval commandoes stormed the vessel in the Mediterranean in the early hours of Wednesday morning, a bounty which consisted of more than 3,000 rockets, according to reports from the Israeli media.
Israeli Army sources claimed to have obtained papers proving that the ship was destined for the port of Latakia in Syria and weapons aboard it were sent from Iran, eventually destined for Hizbullah.
Both Syrian and Iranian foreign ministers denied that such a cargo existed and accused Israel of attempting to hamper legitimate trade routes between the two nations.
For its part, Hizbullah was swift to brush aside Israeli claims, at the same time condemning what it termed “Israeli piracy in international waters.”
A Lebanese Army statement over the weekend confirmed that the ship in question was being held in Beirut while checks on its cargo and crew were being carried out.
“The Francop ship entered Lebanese territorial waters at noon [Friday] and, upon its arrival off Beirut Port, the navy in cooperation with UN naval forces searched the vessel,” the statement said.
“Military intelligence began interrogating the crew on the motives for the seizure of the vessel while the concerned authorities will take all the necessary measures to ensure that it does not carry banned goods,” it added.Security sources told The Daily Star that Lebanese Army military intelligence was conducting a thorough investigation of the ship and its crew, who remain in Lebanon.
The investigations confirmed that the vessel had docked at Damietta in Egypt and had been en route to Syria before being seized, the sources said.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused Iran of seeking to execute “war crimes” in transporting weapons he insisted were designed to injure large numbers of Israeli civilians.
But Speaker Nabih Berri suggested on Friday that Israeli claims regarding the seizure of weapons had been fabricated in order to deflect international attention away from the Goldstone report on Israeli war crimes during the Gaza war.
Berri added that Hizbullah had the right to obtain arms from “anywhere in the world,” but questioned why the Israelis had failed to detain the crew, if the ship was supposedly carrying the dangerous cargo.
Press reports citing Lebanese security sources also asked why the ship hadn’t been detained in Egypt, and called upon the Egyptian Foreign Ministry to issue a clarifying statement.
When questioned, the ship’s crew denied carrying weapons, explaining that had weapons been found on board, they would have been arrested under international law, press reports said. – The Daily Star

Jayme i am sorry i posted it in arabic, but it was 9 in the morning i was too tired to translate :$

Bassita :)

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Amal Saad-Ghorayeb – Opendemocracy

The Hizbollah movement in Lebanon emerged intact and confident from war with Israel in July-August 2006. Since then it has reinvented its strategy, arsenal and thinking to pose an even greater threat to its enemy to the south. A forensic portrait of the world’s most sophisticated non-state force from Amal Saad-Ghorayeb.

One of the main "lessons learned" from the war of July-August 2006 is that the modern concept of asymmetric warfare, which emerged in the late 1990s in the United States, is already in dire need of revision. Hizbollah's military performance during the war demonstrates that asymmetric warfare can no longer be identified exclusively with political actors who adopt "non-traditional" methods "that differ significantly from the opponent's usual mode of operations" (as per the US military's definition).

Amal Saad-Ghorayeb is a Lebanon-based scholar. She is the author of Hizb'ullah: Politics and Religion (Pluto Press, 2001). Her forthcoming book is The Iran Connection: The Alliance with Syria, Hizbullah and Hamas (IB Tauris, 2010)

The thirty-three-day war illustrated that Hizbollah had not merely perfected the art of guerrilla warfare, but had surpassed it altogether with a new paradigm of warfare which fuses "non-traditional" methods with the "usual mode of operations" conducted by conventional armies (see Frank G Hoffman, Hybrid Threats: Reconceptualizing the Evolving Character of Modern Conflict [Strategic Forum, Institute for National Strategic Studies, April 2009]).

At the forefront of those dissecting this new model of combat are American military strategists who fear it will set off a "hybrid warfare" contagion among both non-state and state actors opposed to the US, for whom the Hizbollah resistance template will function as a means of balancing out power-asymmetries (see Paul Rogers, "America's new-old military thinking", 23 July 2009). The expectation is that non-state opponents of the US will mimic the conventional aspects of the Hizbollah hybrid, while enemy states will borrow its unconventional methods.

In response to such a prospect, many defense planners at the Pentagon are now urging advocates of repositioning the US military for irregular warfare and counterinsurgency to abandon this strategy and refocus on conventional methods better suited to fighting anticipated "hybrid threats". Thus, while the US and Israel were busy adapting their conventional armies to face unconventional threats, Hizbollah was effectively conventionalising its military doctrine, tactics and weapons while regularising its armed forces.

The strategic entity

The Hizbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah reflected on this paradigm shift, just days after the assassination in Damascus on 12 February 2008 of the resistance's leading military strategist, Imad Mughniyeh. As elaborated by Nasrallah, the resistance has undergone a three-stage development process, from being an armed resistance that fought alongside a spontaneous "large popular resistance", to an "organised and concentrated armed military action", leading to the final stage which ushered in "an unparalleled new school of warfare that functions as a combination of a regular army and guerrilla fighters." In this synthesis, Hizbollah appears to have struck an artful balance between the conventional and unconventional in its military strategy, tactics, weapons, and organisation, signalling its shift from a resistance group to a resistance army.

On the strategic level, Hizbollah's resistance has evolved from a classic guerilla group which forced Israel to unilaterally withdraw from south Lebanon in 2000 after a protracted war of attrition, into a "quasi-conventional fighting force" that prevented Israeli forces from staging a reoccupation. Nasrallah expounded on Hizbollah's radical departure from standard guerrilla strategy by drawing distinctions between the strategies underlying the two modes of warfare:

"I draw attention to the strategic difference between a resistance that fights a regular army occupying the land and launches operations against it from within the land, meaning a guerilla war of attrition, and a resistance that stands in the face of an aggression seeking to occupy the land and prevents it from doing so and inflicts defeat on it.... resistance liberates land but for resistance to prevent an aggression against a country, this is something new."

Until 2000, Hizbollah's concept of resistance was in line with conventional usage, meaning a popular liberation struggle against foreign occupation, with the sole mission of expelling the occupiers. In the post-withdrawal phase beginning in 2000, Hizbollah revised its military doctrine from one centred on liberating territory to one which sought to deter Israel from attacking Lebanon and, should that strategy fail, would defend the country from Israeli aggression. The definition of resistance was consequently expanded to include the withstanding of an invasion or in other words, resisting the threat of occupation. By reconstructing the concept of resistance in this fashion, Hizbollah had entrusted itself with the mission of defending Lebanese territory from attack, a role traditionally carried out by state militaries.

The technological army

The rationale behind Hizbollah's redefined military strategy was that Israel would "retaliate for its defeat and humiliation in June 2000." Once liberation had been realised, Imad Mughniyeh immediately set about preparing for the forthcoming war, toiling "day and night". Reports from Israeli officers corroborate these claims, revealing that the resistance had constructed its prepared defences years ahead of the 2006 war, most likely beginning in 2000 (see Andrew Exum, "Hizbullah at War: A Military Assessment" [Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Policy Focus 63, December 2006]). As one high-ranking Israeli officer observed: "We found an enemy that had prepared a long time for battle. Very resolute, well equipped, skilled and coordinated, unlike what we encountered in Gaza and the West Bank." Equally confounded by Hizbollah's preparations, were Unifil observers who seemed oblivious to the construction beneath them as expressed by one officer: "We never saw them build anything. They must have brought the cement in by the spoonful."

While such advance planning and preparation are not unique to conventional armies, Hizbollah's "elaborately prepared defensive works" shared more in common with a regular army's preparations for repelling an invasion than with a guerrilla group's plans for staging an attack and absorbing the anticipated counter-attack. The resistance's intricately designed network of underground bunkers, well-camouflaged and concealed launcher sites (dubbed "nature preserves" by Israelis), fortified firing positions and defensible communications, constituted a formidable military infrastructure constructed for the clear purpose of maintaining a campaign of sustained defence.

Hizbollah's adoption of both conventional and unconventional tactics, weapons and organisation must therefore be viewed within the framework of this overarching defensive strategy and within the limits imposed by the asymmetrical nature of the conflict (see Stephen D Biddle & Jeffrey A Friedman, The 2006 Lebanon Campaign and the Future of Warfare: Implications for Army and Defense Policy, Strategic Studies Institute, United States Army War College, September 2008). In contrast to its previous liberation strategy which utilised standard guerrilla tactics designed to exhaust an enemy over an extended period of time, the conventional defensive strategy Hizbollah embraced had to be pursued swiftly - to repel an invasion before giving it the chance to turn into an occupation - with the limited resources and capabilities at its disposal. Translated in operational terms, this meant Hizbollah could only partially employ the means that conventional armies use in pursuit of their defensive strategies, having also to rely on unconventional methods originally formulated for guerrilla-style wars of attrition against occupation forces.

On the tactical level, the low visibility Hizbollah shares with other irregular forces served it well in pursuing its strategic objectives in so far as it did not have exposed targets like barracks and tanks; nor did it leave behind a "logistical footprint" that could be hit. Resistance forces used combined tactics whereby they "would hold in some places but yield in others, counterattack in some locations but withdraw elsewhere", as detailed in one US military report.

On the one hand, the resistance dispersed its forces into small cells who engaged in mobile-combat tactics and surprise attacks, in line with other unconventional military actors.

On the other hand, it adopted tactics that are usually identified with conventional armies. In contradistinction to guerrillas' hit-and-run raids, Hizbollah fighters also fought a positional war, holding their ground for long durations of time and refusing to cede territory to Israel's advancing forces. Furthermore, although the resistance's fighters are embedded in the civilian population, as are most irregulars, they refrained from blending into it as do guerrilla groups. Like classic conventional armies, resistance fighters donned military uniforms to distinguish themselves from civilians and concealed themselves in bunkers.

The conjoining of unconventional with conventional warfare was also mirrored in the wide range of weapons Hizbollah used, combining rudimentary weapons accessible to most guerrilla groups, with advanced weapons' systems which even rivalled those of some states. But it was not simply this juxtaposition of the outdated and the modern which testified to Hizbollah's unique contribution to warfare, but more tellingly, its skill in turning the primitiveness of these weapons to its advantage while using more advanced weapons creatively (see Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, "Hizbollah's Outlook in the Current Conflict" [Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Policy Outlook 27, August 2006]).

Hizbollah succeeded in effectively paralysing northern Israel with its daily salvos of unguided, short-range Katyusha rockets which evaded interception by Israel's high-tech missile-defence shields, enabling the group to extract much strategic value out of this tactically useless weapon. The movement also launched conventional, medium-range artillery rockets against other Israeli towns and cities which were previously out of its reach, giving substance to its threats to hit Tel Aviv in the event of an Israeli attack on Beirut.

More sophisticated still was Hizbollah's surprise strike on an Israeli warship, with a radar-guided, anti-ship cruise missile, presumably an Iranian variant of the Chinese C-802. In parallel with its hybridisation of missiles, the resistance employed both older, Russian-made wire-guided anti-tank missiles like the AT-3 Sagger, the AT-4 Spigot and AT-5 Spandrel and more advanced ones such as the AT-14 Kornet, AT-13 Metis-M and the RPG 29. In fact, the resistance inflicted the highest number of Israeli casualties with these anti-tank munitions by targeting tanks, personnel, and any houses, shelters and vehicles used by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF). All this displayed Hizbollah's resourcefulness in combat.

In the field of electronic warfare as well, Hizbollah neutralised Israel's technological superiority with "simplicity", to borrow Nasrallah's terms. By relying on fiber-optic landlines rather than more advanced wireless-signals for its communications' network, Hizbollah immunised it from Israeli attempts at electronic jamming. In this manner, the movement managed to circumvent Israel's highly vaunted electronic-warfare system and preserve its command-and-control system for the entire duration of the war.

At the same time, Hizbollah was able to penetrate Israel's electronic-warfare devices with its own advanced intelligence-gathering capabilities. Aside from its Mirsad-1 reconnaissance drones, which it flew over Israeli airspace as far back as 2004, the movement acquired other surveillance technology including electronic-eavesdropping equipment which it used to monitor cellphone conversations in Hebrew between Israeli reservists and their families. Moreover, using other devices and techniques, Hizbollah intercepted and decoded Israeli radio communications, enabling it to track the movements of Israeli tanks as well as to monitor casualty reports and supply-routes.

The pressure exerted on Israel by these innovations is reflected in its planned introduction of the Trophy system (TAPS) which uses radar to track incoming missiles; in August 2009, it began to be installed on Israel's latest generation Merkava IV tanks, which suffered a number of damaging strikes in the 2006 war.

The resistance university

In terms of organisation, Hizbollah's resistance is characterised by several features of an irregular force. As a community-based movement, Hizbollah's fighting forces consist of an elite core of around 1,000 professional fighters in addition to an inestimable number of village-men who serve as reservists. The decentralised command-and-control structure coupled with virtually impenetrable organisational secrecy is typical of guerrilla groups. However, these characteristics are offset by the tight discipline and strong coordination of its fighters, which is peculiar to conventional armed forces.

Moreover, Nasrallah's threat to unleash "tens of thousands of trained and equipped" fighters on Israeli forces should they stage a ground invasion, alludes to the possibility that Hizbollah could be transforming its reservists into a professional fighting force. Reports of Hizbollah's launch of a "sweeping recruitment and training drive" months after the 2006 war, lend some credence to such inferences.

But despite the demonstrated success of its model of warfare, Hizbollah has re-evaluated its combat performance, and tried to anticipate Israel's operations' plan for the forthcoming war based on the latter's weaknesses. The movement's future strategy and tactics will therefore be governed by these calculations as affirmed by Nasrallah: "We also learned from the July war experience and made the required evaluation and discovered the points of strength and the point of weakness on our side as well as on the enemy side, and acted based on that."

It is precisely this ongoing effort to meticulously study its enemy which sets Hizbollah apart from other forces in the region that have previously engaged Israel in combat. In a manner reminiscent of Orientalists' probing of the "Arab mind", Hizbollah has striven to penetrate the Israeli psyche and not merely its military mindset as a means of overcoming its arch-foe.

Another factor which accounts for the success of the Hizbollah resistance model is the process of self-evaluation and adaptation to circumstances and needs. Rather than adhering to a rigid military strategy, no matter how successful it has proven to be in the past, the resistance constantly re-adapts itself to a changing political and military environment. Hizbollah's strength therefore lies in its adoption of a non-doctrinaire military doctrine.

This could well mean that the resistance will revise its military strategy for the next war, shifting it from a purely defensive doctrine to one which is partly defensive and partly counter-offensive; in other words, one which remains essentially defensive but which is injected with a strong dose of offensive capability. Furthermore, there is a strong likelihood that the movement will introduce new tactics to meet its wider strategic objectives. This possibility is insinuated by Nasrallah's well-known threat of unleashing a "big surprise" in the event of an Israeli war on Lebanon.

Most observers initially thought that Nasrallah's surprise was the resistance's acquisition of anti-aircraft missiles which it would use against Israeli planes violating Lebanese airspace. While Hizbollah is already known to have the SA-7, and presumed to have obtained the more advanced SA-18 in 2002, many reports surfaced in 2008 about its acquisition of the sophisticated SA-8 mobile air-defence missile-system. However, although the movement will use the advanced SAMs if these reports are proven true, it is doubtful that this is the surprise Nasrallah referred to now that he has openly threatened to shoot down Israeli planes with these missiles, removing the element of surprise from their use.

A more plausible theory is that Nasrallah's surprise alludes to the resistance's adoption of a new military strategy and tactics as suggested by his subsequent threat to Israel: "The army of our enemy will witness an unprecedented method of fighting by courageous, tough and devoted resistance fighters in the battlefield; something they had never seen since the establishment of their usurping entity." Nasrallah reinforced the challenge by - in response to the so-called "Dahiyeh doctrine" enunciated by Gadi Eizenkot, the head of the IDF's Northern Command - reformulating the old equation of "Beirut for Tel Aviv" as "Dahiyeh for Tel Aviv".

The tactics envisaged by Nasrallah could also include incursions into Israeli territory, as suggested by resistance fighters interviewed by the respected journalist, Nicholas Blanford: "One local commander in south Lebanon said that Hizbollah had fought a defensive war in 2006. ‘Next time, we will be on the offensive and it will be a totally different kind of war', he says. Jawad [a local fighter] says that the next war will be ‘fought more in Israel than in Lebanon', one comment of many from various fighters that suggest Hizbollah is planning commando raids into northern Israel."

Though these remarks may be construed as psychological warfare, the Israeli defence establishment has been preparing for a scenario whereby resistance commandos would infiltrate northern border communities and kill Israelis.

The last war

Regardless of which tactics are employed, Hizbollah has to ensure that they fulfill Nasrallah's "promise" of dealing a decisive blow to Israel. As recounted by the Hizbollah leader in 2007, the surprise he has in store for Israel has the potential to "change the course of the war and the fate of the region" and "realise a historic and decisive victory." A year later, Nasrallah repeated that "our next victory will be definite, unequivocally decisive and crystal clear", as Hizbollah would "crush" the five divisions which Ehud Barak had threatened to deploy in Lebanon. The expected finality of the next-war's outcome is further underlined by Nasrallah's prediction of the eventual "destruction" of the "usurping entity" which would result from Israel's foreseen defeat.

It is useful at this point to compare Nasrallah's post-war discourse with Hizbollah's declared objectives during the July-August war. In 2006, the movement did not lay out any military objectives except to defend Lebanon from Israeli aggression and prevent its enemy from occupying territory. As such, Hizbollah was able to proclaim victory - at least in the tactical sense of having won that particular battle - when it acted in self-defence and denied victory to its opponent whose forces were compelled to withdraw without achieving a single one of their government's declared aims.

But the movement has already set the strategic bar very high for itself for the next round of conflict. Having pronounced as its new objective a "decisive victory" with profound regional implications, Hizbollah will have to ensure that it achieves a strategic victory in its next battle with Israel. Such a victory must end, once and for all, the state of "open war" that exists between the two enemies, and more significantly, neutralise the perpetual threat which Israel poses to the region. Accordingly, any future war with Israel must necessarily be the last for Hizbollah.

Didn't know where else to post shitty news like this..
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Trio gets bail for rape charges
MELISSA IARIA
November 9, 2009
AAP

Three teenagers charged with raping and threatening to kill two men have been freed on bail.

Eric Mumbler and his workmates at a demolition business, Nabil Merhi and Ahmed Yehia, are charged with almost 200 sexual and assault-related offences, including rape, possession of weapons and making threats to kill.

The alleged offences occurred between May and June in northwest suburban Melbourne against two Nepalese students who came to Australia early in 2009 to study.

The trio were released by magistrate Felicity Broughton on strict bail conditions including daily reporting to police.

Ms Broughton told the Melbourne Magistrates Court the charges involved serious and violent allegations and there was "quite a strong case" for some of them.

The prosecution was concerned the trio posed an unacceptable risk of flight and reoffending if released. Merhi and Yehia have family connections in Lebanon, while Mumbler, who is not of Lebanese descent, has a girlfriend in Lebanon, and intends to move there to live.

But Ms Broughton said the men had shown why their continued detention was not justified and released each of them on a surety and strict conditions.

These include that they report daily to police, surrender their passports and not contact their co-accused.

Merhi, 18, of Glenroy, and Yehia, 19, of Broadmeadows, were also ordered to abide by the instructions of a forensic psychologist.

Mumbler, 19, of Broadmeadows, was directed to undergo the supervision of an indigenous justice program.

The trio will next face court for a committal mention hearing in January.

The court had previously heard a search warrant executed in September at Mumbler's Broadmeadows home located a mobile phone containing two videos.

One of the videos showed one of the alleged victims with one arm and both legs bound and his mouth gagged with tape.

They depict the other victim being allegedly struck with a firearm and both victims with guns put to their heads, the court was told.

The footage of the second video also allegedly shows one of the victims being punched by Yehia a number of times.

The court was told the two victims were "very fearful" of the trio being released on bail and "that they will try and track them down and cause harm to them".

© 2009 AAP

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/trio-gets-bail-for-rape-charges-20091109-i56t.html

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^^ why are there so much Lebanese hashkals in Australia??

Prime minister designate Sheikh Saad Hariri arrived to Baabda palace now.. hopefully the cabinet will be formed tonight ...

Speaker Nabih Berri arrives to Baabda palace ...

Prime minister designate Sheikh Saad Hariri arrived to Baabda palace now.. hopefully the cabinet will be formed tonight ...

Tawwelah ba3d chway....metel Prime minister designate Sheikh Saad Hariri ben el ra2iss el chahid rafi2 el Hariri, Allah yi tawwel 3omro w ma ye7remna menno w men moustriyyet bayyo :lol:

He doesn't look like a Prime Minister!

But if he's going to apply Elissar Project, then I'd consider he made a hge accomplishment!

PRIME MINISTER DESIGNATE IS his tittle shu ba3melo bghayro, anyway now he is officially PRIME MINISTER no more designate :D

FINALLY LEBANESE PEOPLE, WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT ...

tab leh "sheikh" ? Iza hek and Leb. Bek . FR :D

Is it official?

MABROUK

and yes it is official

Leb.fr leh SAYYED HASSAN NASRALLAH ??? or SHEIKH NA3IM QASSEM , it's the same isn't it ??

La2, holik religious men! Sheikh w sayyed refers to religion, mich bas hek mazej....
W kamen, how the hell can you compre Sayyed Hassan to that kid?


Anyway...ma allafo el 7oukoumeh w ballachna, fa 5allina nwa22ef.......:D

Those who are in Beirut, fi chi fireworkks, rsas, etc....kif el e7tifel bi wiledet el 7oukoumeh bi chawere3 Beyrouth? :D:D

yeah i wont even reply mesh wa2ta... it's just fireworks so far

NAHARNET:

8:25pm Free Patriotic Movement's share: Jebran Bassil (energy and water), Fadi Abboud (tourism), Youssef Saade (state), Charbel Nahas (telecommunications), Abraham Dedeyan (industry)
8:24pm Phalange Party's share: Salim al-Sayegh (social affairs).
8:23pm Lebanese Forces' share: Ibrahim Najjar (justice), Salim Wardeh (culture).
8:17pm President Michel Suleiman's Share: Elias al-Murr (PM Deputy and defense), Ziad Baroud (interior), Mona Afeish (state), Adnan al-Sayyed Hussein (state), Adnan al-Qassar (state)
8:22pm Tripoli bloc's share: Mohammed al-Safadi (economy).
8:21pm Al-Mustaqbal's share: Hassan Mneimneh (education), Tarek Metri (information), Raya al-Hassan (finance), Jean Ogassabian (state), Mohammed Rahal (environment), Michel Faroun (state).
8:19pm Progressive Socialist Party's share: Ghazi al-Aridi (public works), Akram Shohayeb (displaced people), Wael Abu Faour (state).
8:18pm Hizbullah's share: Hussein al-Hajj Hassan (agriculture), Mohammed Fneish (state for administrational development)
8:20pm Amal Movement's share: Mohammed Jawad Khalifeh (health), Ali Abdullah (sports and youth), Ali al-Shami (foreign).

- Saad Hariri is named as new Prime Minister

Cabinet lineup includes:

Prime Minister: Saad Hariri (Sunni)

Deputy Prime Minister & Defense Minister: Elias al-Murr (Orthodox)

President’s Share:

- Interior Minister: Ziad Baroud (Maronite)

- Deputy Prime Minister & Defense Minister: Elias al-Murr (Orthodox)

- State Minister: Adnan al-Kassar (Sunni)

- State Minister: Adnan as-Sayyed Hussein (Shia)

- State Minister: Mona Ofeish (Orthodox)

Change and Reform bloc Share:

- Telecommunications Minister: Charbel Nahhas (Catholic)

- Tourism Minister: Fadi Abboud (Maronite)

- Energy Minister: Gebran Bassil (Maronite)

- Industry Minister: Abraham Dedian (Armenian – Tashnaq Party)

- State Minister: Youssef Saadeh (Maronite – Marada Movement)

Future Share:

- Prime Minister: Saad Hariri (Sunni)

- Environment Minister: Mohammad Rahhal (Sunni)

- Finance Minister: Rayya al-Haffar al-Hassan (Sunni)

- Education Minister: Hassan Mneimneh (Sunni)

- State Minister: Jean Ogassapian (Armenian)

Lebanese Forces Share:

- Justice Minister: Ibrahim Najjar: (Orthodox)

- Culture Minister: Salim Wardeh (Catholic)

Kataeb Party’s bloc:

- Minister of Social Affairs: Salim al-Sayegh (Maronite)

Independents:

- Labor Minister: Boutros Harb (Maronite - March 14)

- State Minister: Michel Pharaon (Catholic – March 14)

- Information Minister: Tarek Mitri (Orthodox)

- Economy and Trade Minister: Mohammad Safadi (Sunni – Tripoli bloc)

This is the only thing Hassoun understood from the last 3 pages. It's not as if March 14 had 5 or 8 women.

No woman representing March 8.

This is the only thing Hassoun understood from the last 3 pages. It's not as if March 14 had 5 or 8 women.

well,,sois belle et vote,right?
anyway,Lebanese women deserve to be represented in this government,only March 14 and the President gave that opportunity to the women.and dif you can't see this point,then it's again your problem not mine.
future movement: 1/5 bravo,but at least there should be two women.
FPM: 0

that's the reform i want.

France vows support to new Lebanese cabinet
November 9, 2009

France will give its full support to the new government of Lebanon's Prime Minister Saad Hariri, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on Monday.

"I welcome the formation of a government of national unity in Lebanon and renew the trust and support of France for Prime Minister Saad Hariri," Kouchner said in a statement.

"Saad Hariri and his government can count on the resolute support of France, which will continue its actions in favor of unity and stability, and the sovereignty and independence of Lebanon," he said.

-AFP/NOW Lebanon

You call 1/5 an opportunity? Let me laugh!
And FPM: 0 out of how many?

^^ 0 out of 5 , same number as the FPM .

1 out of 5 , i said although at there should be at least 2/5. but at least there is a woman there,now imagine what would we look like if future movement didn't have a woman in their bloc.ha? Jersaaaaaaa. and thanx to the Presiednt , 1/5 , although just a state minister,but still,better than nothing,

Now,Saad is the youngest PM in our hiistory,39 or 40 years old i guess ?COOL!!!!!

When you saw the list, you didn't look at at Future's ministers. You simple wanted to point out what you don't like in 8 march ministers. Just like during the electoral campaign. Instead of focusing on march 14's plans, you were busy criticizing 8 march. Your hate toward them impresses me more and more.

No if Future had given 50% of its seats to women, you could have criticized FPM not having women. Future has only one woman out of five. If she was minister of Interior, Defence or Justice, you could have criticised FPM, but she's a state minister. Raya is minister of Finances: good, but not enough.

You said it, it's only "better than nothing", which clearly means it's not enough. He has months to make up the government, so he clearly could have found more than only one woman to be minister. What about the aunt?

Oh and the way you are saying it makes it sound as if we should be thankful that there are 2 women in the government thank to mister Saad? Why don't you criticise him? Oh wait, you can't!

But what is more important than having women ministers is having women deputies, sinc they're the ones who make rules and are more than an image.

^^ aunt ?lol , no he's not like aoun,brings his family to government not to mention days and months without having government just for the sake of one of his family members,PLEASE.

finance ministry in my opinion is the most important one in future movement bloc. and that was for a woman :cheers:

u didn't even criticize March 8 for not having women represented,although i said one for March 14 is not enough.

I am really pissed off,Lebanese women should really stop voting from now on.until those dickheads recognise their existence :bash:

I said one for March 14 is not enough in response to you.

We need a Woman PM.

^^ and i said it's not enough in my 1st post,but not having women at all is a different story.

New York Times

BEIRUT, Lebanon — More than five months after holding parliamentary elections, Lebanon formed a new cabinet on Monday. The agreement ended a long period of gridlock that illustrated once again the myriad dysfunctions of the country’s bitterly divided political class.





The June elections yielded a clear victory for the Western-aligned bloc led by Prime Minister-designate Saad Hariri, and a loss for the alliance led by Hezbollah, the militant Shiite movement backed by Syria and Iran. But shifting regional realities, local power struggles, and the imperative of a coalition government prevented the parties from agreeing on a cabinet until now.

“I want a government that is true to Lebanon, and not to the image of political and sectarian discord that some see in us,” Mr. Hariri said as he announced the accord at the presidential palace on Monday night. He spoke of the need to focus on issues like anticorruption measures and administrative reform, on which there is widespreadagreement.

Yet for all the relief surrounding its formation, the government will continue to face deep rifts that go to the heart of Lebanon’s unresolved identity, with one camp defining itself through resistance to Israel and the West, and the other aspiring to a more commercial and cosmopolitan role.

The new cabinet includes 15 seats for the majority led by Mr. Hariri, 10 for the Hezbollah-led opposition, and five for President Michel Suleiman, who has struggled to maintain neutrality. But because of the role of independent power brokers — including the wily Druse leader Walid Jumblatt, an ally of Mr. Hariri’s who distanced himself after the elections — the majority will have little chance to dictate the agenda.

That limitation could be a formula for further gridlock, especially on divisive issues like the international tribunal investigating the 2005 assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, the father of the prime minister-designate.

Another volatile issue, Hezbollah’s arsenal, is not even up for discussion. When Saad Hariri’s allies appeared to challenge Hezbollah’s military prerogatives in May 2008, the group and its allies seized much of west Beirut, setting off the worst internal clashes since this country’s 15-year civil war. The violence was a bitter lesson, and led to a power-sharing agreement that enshrined a cabinet veto for Hezbollah and its allies.

The origins of the breakthrough that led to Monday’s announcement remain a mystery, since the basic power-sharing formula was agreed on months ago. Some say Syria, which long dominated Lebanon politically, had finally pushed its allies here to come to terms. But relations between Syria and Saudi Arabia, which have long vied for influence here, improved earlier this year, and many analysts believe that the two countries agreed not to interfere in the elections and their aftermath.

That, some say, was the problem. After so many years of taking political orders from abroad, Lebanon, with its weak and pliable institutions, may have lost the ability to forge a consensus on its own.

“When Syria and the Saudis ran Lebanon, the flexibility of the system was an asset because it enabled them to shape political power according to their needs,” said Elias Muhanna, a political analyst and author of the influential blog Qifa Nabki. “But now that Lebanon is more in charge of its own destiny, that flexibility has become a liability.”

Despite Hezbollah’s prominent role in Lebanon, the group had little part in the cabinet struggle, in keeping with its longstanding preference for exercising political power indirectly. Only 2 of the 10 opposition cabinet members belong to Hezbollah, and they are relatively marginal ones: those overseeing the ministries of agriculture and administrative reform.

Instead, much of the wrangling of recent months revolved around Hezbollah’s ally Michel Aoun, a former general who leads Lebanon’s largest Christian faction. Mr. Aoun insisted on keeping the telecommunications ministry, which has been held by his son-in-law since last year, and Mr. Hariri was reluctant to give it to him.

That struggle exemplified the way Lebanon’s petty power struggles can be hard to separate from broader ideological divides. There are natural reasons for Mr. Aoun’s interest in the telecommunications ministry, including the opportunity to carry out noteworthy reforms and, his critics say, the chance to reap sizable profits if the industry is privatized.

But Mr. Aoun’s rivals tend to see the shadow of Hezbollah behind his ambitions. Controlling telecommunications and surveillance is widely assumed to be crucial to the group’s military goals.

Mr. Hariri finally gave in last month and agreed to let Mr. Aoun have the telecommunications ministry. Mr. Aoun still held out for more. Soon afterward, two allies of Mr. Aoun made public comments expressing their frustration with him. Because the two allies are also strong allies of Syria, some believe that their comments signaled a decision by Syria to force an end to the long drama.

If so, Syria’s own diplomatic timetable may have been a factor. Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, is planning to visit Paris next week, and some analysts here believe that he pushed his Lebanese allies to come to terms so that he could prove his usefulness to the French, whom he has been courting diplomatically for the past year.

Did anyone hear about this? Or heard what he said on MTV?
I think things like this shouldn't pass by unnoticed!

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Journalist charged with slander, insulting president
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Tuesday, November 10, 2009

BEIRUT: Local journalist Simone Abu Fadel has been charged with slander and insulting the president, judicial sources said Monday. Abu Fadel had appeared one week earlier on local station MTV, where he reportedly made critical remarks about the performance of President Michel Sleiman. The charges, which include slander, contempt and impugning the dignity of the head of state, carry a fine and imprisonment of two months to one year. – The Daily Star

^^ aunt ?lol , no he's not like aoun,brings his family to government not to mention days and months without having government just for the sake of one of his family members,PLEASE.




lol?

Don't you realize you continue to prove Leb.Fr correct

During the elections, you spent your whole time focusing not on what March 14 had to offer, but the consequences of having March 8 as the majority.

You never focus on what your party offers!!!

Why change the subject about Auon? Are we talking about Auon? Did Leb.Fr once mention Auon in his text?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Your reasoning is "Oh, well look at them."

Does that Justify your party?

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^^ Who determined who stood next to who?

i think they did in alphabetical order, just like how they determine who sits next to who during the sessions

It is interesting to compare it with European governments, the french one for example:
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Our ministers look too old, and I think they could have chosen a better background.

Its intresting how the people on the left of the Lebanon pic, are really serious and slowely as u go right they start to become more smily.

lol?

Don't you realize you continue to prove Leb.Fr correct

During the elections, you spent your whole time focusing not on what March 14 had to offer, but the consequences of having March 8 as the majority.

You never focus on what your party offers!!!

Why change the subject about Auon? Are we talking about Auon? Did Leb.Fr once mention Auon in his text?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Your reasoning is "Oh, well look at them."

Does that Justify your party?

ok,let me play ur game then,
Are you cool that March 8 didn't nominate any woman to represent them in the government? and where did the sois belle et vote slogan go?

They said "Sois belle et vote" and not "Sois belle et sois élue" (be beautiful and get elected).

we should have a woman minister from hezballah hahahhahahahhaahahahaha

Its intresting how the people on the left of the Lebanon pic, are really serious and slowely as u go right they start to become more smily.

hahaha its soo true.

I think they determine it by rank or ministries or posts in government. because sleiman is in the middle and harriri and berri are on either sides...... But just for fun lets say they align them by temperment and mood according to the day.

"If you feel happy and you know it take a right.... if your happy and you know it take a right.... if your happy and you know it and you really want to show it... if you are happy and you know it take a right" HAHAHA

^^ @ LeB.Fr :rofl:

looooooooooool,inno it's normal if you really think women are important for voting,u should at least show some respect for them and appoint a woman as a minister.

Now,the previous governmental proposal had 4 women, Opposition refused that proposal.

That is too much! Opposition didn't refuse ANYTHING!! If there's no adequate woman for a ministerial post, doesn't mean they're against the idea of having women ministers? NO!!!

And why can't the "majority" provide these 4 women?? Is it too much asking, out of more than half of the ~32 seats?

^^ what do u mean,no women are qualified in March 8? are u crazy? that's not even possible,this is Racism.
Gosh,can't u see March 8th and the way they fooled the women voted for them? u r so blind. what the f*** then the Reform Aoun was talking about in his electoral program?HA? women getting more rights,how about political rights?

And Opposition didn't refuse anything?where do u live?in MARS???

can't u stop fighting!! let us see what this gvt will be capable of ... eno machi akid as usual...

^^ It's just the concept.

Yes I'm blind, and this is why I wear eyeglasses. And only 2 women are qualified in the 'majority' ?? What a pity, I thought you were the "westernised" party in Lebanon. Apparently not.

And what concept are you talking about?

Enno if there's a man or a woman, do you really think it is going to make a difference.
Let's just wait all the current politician die, so we can have a new generation, and we'll see if rights of equality are respected.

Let's go back to Hariri as a Prime minister. What are his qualifications for this post? That his father was a politician and a Prime Minister before him? Is this enough?
I think it's a bad choice, but that's just my opinion. (Just as giving Berri the presidency or the Parliament, again. )

^^ you change the subject then,Typical.
anyway,Well,Hariri led the Majority to win the Parliamentary elections,where,ur nasrallah and aoun couldn't achieve the same thing,and this is not enough? :cheers:

[I'm with stupid]

We've been discussing those in the last 20 posts with no results. You want to continue knowing there won't be any result. TYPICAL.

Can you explain the word "led" ?

People just follow him because he's the son of Rafic, not for what he is, and this is something I don't like.

[doublon]

[I'm with stupid]

We've been discussing those in the last 20 posts with no results. You want to continue knowing there won't be any result. TYPICAL.

Can you explain the word "led" ?

People just follow him because he's the son of Rafic, not for what he is, and this is something I don't like.

i won't explain anything,i m just enjoying seeing Hariri as a PM,and March 8 showing it's reality with their "reform" :lol:, i feel sorry for March 8th voters,what did they vote for again?

And I feel sorry for you :)

Rayya Haffar: Women can hold senior State positions
iloubnan.info - November 10, 2009


BEIRUT – The new Finance Minister Rayya Haffar confirmed to Voice of Lebanon radio station on Tuesday that the portfolio she was assigned would endow her with much confidence and momentum to confirm that the women can be appointed to senior State positions.

She pointed out that she owed her wild experience in the financial field to former Prime Ministers Rafic Hariri and Fouad Siniora. She confirmed that she would work with all parties and recourse to former Ministers in order to meet the expectations of the Lebanese and settle the economic issues.

Rayya Haffar

courtesy of Reuters

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LOOOOOOOOL what are SAAD HARIRI's QUALIFICATIONS ??????
ok lets see the man has a doctorate in business administration from George town university in Washington. He was for 4 years the CEO of SAUDI OGER that has construction projects all over the middle east as well as Africa, Europe and the USA, and which is one of the biggest companies in the middle east, and now he is the general manager of the company. He is a chairman and CEO of OGER TELECOM which is a leading company in telecommunications in the middle east and Africa. He is also the Chairman & Board Member of Saraya Holdings that deals with construction development in Dubai and Jordan. In addition he was the Chairman of Omnia Holdings and a board member of Oger International Entreprise de Travaux Internationaux. He is a member of the Saudi investment bank and the owner of future TV. He has an extensive experience in telecommunications activities, including GSM in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Internet services (ISP) and various other services including pre-paid card services, a teleport project, private multi-media networks (ISDN-based, with integrated voice/data/image/video conferencing), INMARSAT services, and others. In addition to his corporate role, he has major personal investments in telecommunications and IT, some of which he personally manages.

NOW WILL YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT ARE NABIH BERRI'S QUALIFICATIONS ????? HE FOUGHT IN THE WAR ??? WOWWWWWW ... OH NO NO TELL ME WHAT ARE MHAMAD RAAD'S QUALIFICATIONS HE STUDIED IN QOM OR NAJAF ???? seriously man am sorry you brought this up, because obviously it's not in your favor ..

Whatever your political views are, that's just disrespectful.

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Oh Hassoun....when I projected Jumblatt's withdraw from March 14 and a transition to March 8, I was right. Now, I am project il Kataeb! It's pretty obvious and I expect this within a year. Rafik Hariri's plan to take over Lebanon has FAILED FAILED FAILED!!!!!! The rise of March 8 is progressing and saado and his DEAD father are merely nawar from il sahra!!!!!! =)


I can't imagine the Kataeb in the opposition....

Earth to Arzlibnan, Earth to Arzlibnan! March 14th won the elections!
News Flash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't even think you have to feel sorry for him for voting March 14, but just him in general :lol:

you're being very rude and disrespectful. Stick to your points and stop attacking people! :ohno:

^^

I agree with the rude part, I take it back!

So, i wanna get one thing straight... This is the first time a lebanese cabinet includes women?

Whatever your political views are, that's just disrespectful.

Post was deleted and he got yet another infraction...soon to be banned.

So, i wanna get one thing straight... This is the first time a lebanese cabinet includes women?

Of course not! Did you forget about Naila Moawad, Bahia Hariri, etc?

LOOOOOOOOL what are SAAD HARIRI's QUALIFICATIONS ??????
ok lets see the man has a doctorate in business administration from George town university in Washington. He was for 4 years the CEO of SAUDI OGER that has construction projects all over the middle east as well as Africa, Europe and the USA, and which is one of the biggest companies in the middle east, and now he is the general manager of the company. He is a chairman and CEO of OGER TELECOM which is a leading company in telecommunications in the middle east and Africa. He is also the Chairman & Board Member of Saraya Holdings that deals with construction development in Dubai and Jordan. In addition he was the Chairman of Omnia Holdings and a board member of Oger International Entreprise de Travaux Internationaux. He is a member of the Saudi investment bank and the owner of future TV. He has an extensive experience in telecommunications activities, including GSM in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Internet services (ISP) and various other services including pre-paid card services, a teleport project, private multi-media networks (ISDN-based, with integrated voice/data/image/video conferencing), INMARSAT services, and others. In addition to his corporate role, he has major personal investments in telecommunications and IT, some of which he personally manages.

NOW WILL YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT ARE NABIH BERRI'S QUALIFICATIONS ????? HE FOUGHT IN THE WAR ??? WOWWWWWW ... OH NO NO TELL ME WHAT ARE MHAMAD RAAD'S QUALIFICATIONS HE STUDIED IN QOM OR NAJAF ???? seriously man am sorry you brought this up, because obviously it's not in your favor ..

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Saad Hariri was born to whatever position he's in right now! Weather you like to admit it or not he is PM now because and only because he's the son of Rafik Hariri!

He doesn't deserve to be prime minister of Lebanon! but yet again nobody in power deserves to be there so what the hell.. the whole system is wrong

Mbala, Neila Tueini :D

Saad Hariri was born to whatever position he's in right now! Weather you like to admit it or not he is PM now because and only because he's the son of Rafik Hariri!

He doesn't deserve to be prime minister of Lebanon! but yet again nobody in power deserves to be there so what the hell.. the whole system is wrong

YESLAM HAL TIM!

Mbala, Neila Tueini :D

You know you could talk to Neila Tueini on Facebook, and she responds back....lool

Nashrallah's Powerful Stiring Clear Speech on Marty's day
Al-Manar

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Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah declared on Wednesday that the battle with Israel next time would start from "beyond and beyong Haifa" instead of "Haifa and beyond Haifa," emphasizing that the Resistance doesn't seek war but is ready for any form of confrontation with the enemy.

Sayyed Nasrallah was speaking through a large TV screen commemorating the annual Martyr's Day in the framework of a ceremony held by Hezbollah at the southern suburb of Beirut.

Sayyed Nasrallah addressed Israeli, renewing commitment to the Resistance's pattern and choice. "Send as many Israeli brigades as you want, send even your whole army, we will destroy them in our valleys and mountains," his eminence said, addressing Israeli Prime Minister, Defense Minister and chief of staff.

While calling the Lebanese security apparatuses to reopen the file of collaborators with Israel, Sayyed Nasrallah emphasized that the Lebanese want for the new government to be one of national cooperation and national coherence instead of being a barricades the government.

Hezbollah Secretary General emphasized that the success of the government benefits the Resistance in Lebanon, but called on ministers to cooperate and work as one team to achieve such success. "Let the government work and don't set realistic goals in the ministerial declaration," his eminence said, addressing Lebanon's Prime Minister and his ministers. "Let Lebanon rest and the dialogue table can consider any thorny issue," his eminence added.

Regionally, Sayyed Nasrallah called for more regional cooperation and for a Saudi-Iranian rapprochement, saying that communication between the two mentioned countries should be established. His eminence called on for efforts to stop the war in Yemen, rejecting claims that it was of a sectarian nature.

HEZBOLLAH ATTACHED TO ALL RESISTANCE'S MARTYRS
Hezbollah Secretary General started his speech by focusing on the importance of the martyr's day to remember the Resistance's martyrs and the sacrifices they have paid for the sake of the country.

Martyr's Day is celebrated on the 11th of November of each year as a tribute to martyr Ahmed Qassir, who initiated martyrdom operations against Israeli occupation forces in south Lebanon.

"We chose this day to be Hezbollah Martyr's Day although we believe that we belong to all martyrs who sacrificed themselves to protect the country, the nation and the Dignity," Sayyed Nasrallah said. "However, and since we are a part of this nation and its Resistance and Jihad, we have our martyrs. When we talk about Hezbollah's martyr, we don't ignore other martyrs of the Resistance in the region and all the generations that refuse occupation."

"We chose November 11 to be Hezbollah Martyr's Day because it's the day of the martyrdom of Ahmad Kassir who chose Jihad, the hero of the first martyrdom operation in Tyr, the operation that destroyed the enemy's arrogance before destroying one of its well-fortified strongholds. We consider this day a great day for the Resistance, a day in which the enemy felt himself inconsiderable, weak, defeated and astonished."

"Today, we recognize our martyrs' sacrifices since 1982, including in 2000 and in 2006, when the project to create a new Middle East failed. In today, like every year, we pay tribute to our martyrs, we remember their achievements and victories, we renew commitment to continue their path without hesitation and to remain loyal to their commandments," Sayyed Nasrallah pointed out.

"Today, we meet here in a part of Beirut's southern suburb, the suburb that was profaned by the enemy alongside Beirut, the Mount, the South and the Bekaa. But all these regions, except the Shebaa Farms, have returned thanks to the martyrs' sacrifices. Today, we thank them from all our heart to everything they did and we tell them that we are living powerfully and in dignity due to their bloodshed and sacrifices."

US FULLY COMMITTED TO ISRAEL'S SECURITY AND INTERESTS
Following this introduction, Sayyed Nasrallah started his political speech by focusing on the US administration's continuous and flagrant support for the Israeli enemy. "A few months ago, when Barack Obama was elected as US President and a new American administration saw light, many had high hopes and believed that major changes will happen in favor of the Arab and Islamic world and that there would be a reform policy and more human approach than that of former US President George W. Bush. However, the truth was quickly revealed and all these illusions quickly failed, especially during the few last weeks. The result was obviously a full US commitment to Israel's interest and security, disregarding the dignity and feelings of the Arab and Muslim people and governments."

Sayyed Nasrallah then turned to the military level and pointed to the US-Israeli latest drills. "Elite US military units come to occupied Palestine and perform joint drills with Israelis. They claim these drills aim to prepare for facing potential rockets from Syria, Iran, Lebanon and Gaza. So, for the first time since tens of years and perhaps since the creation of the Zionist entity, the US forces are in occupied Palestine to impose themselves true partners in any confrontation imposed by Israel. This is something that we didn't even see with the former administration of George W. Bush."

His eminence then recalled of the US continuous support to Israel since the 2006 July war against Lebanon. "Since the July War, the US has offered Israel complete military and logistic support. The Obama administration came and sought to play the "hero" game claiming to spare efforts to suspend settlements. But I told you since the beginning it was just a trick and this is what happened, causing a sort of frustration within the Palestinians."

Commenting on the statement of a Palestinian diplomat who said that Palestinians have conducted 18 years of failed diplomacy, Sayyed Nasrallah said: "Eighteen years of negotiations resulted in failure and frustration alongside the persistence in occupation while eighteen years of resistance which liberated Beirut, Bekaa, Mount and South."


US PROTECTS ISRAELI VIOLATIONS, WANTS LEBANON TO IMPLEMENT RESOLUTIONS!
Sayyed Nasrallah then pointed to the "double standards" of the international community. "The US, which is supplying Israel with technology and weapons, is requesting the full implementation of UN Security Resolutions. The US, which defends and protects Israel as it violates the resolutions, is urging Lebanon to fully implement the international resolutions. It's the US that's also working to prevent voting on the Goldstone report within the Security Council, a report that unfortunately equalizes the victim and the hangman. But, unfortunately, we have reached a stage where we accept that the violator and the violated are treated equivalently."

"We tell all those who asked us to give the Americans some time… it turned out that presenting a black president from the third world was a trick that ended faster than we expected. Meanwhile, Israel maintains its armament, espionage cells and reconnaissance planes and spying devices. It continues to exploit any incident, whether a real or fabricated one, as part of its war on Lebanon, Palestine and Resistance movements."

"The Israeli are still conducting their psychological war against Lebanon and Gaza," Sayyed Nasrallah said, pointing to the Israeli first reaction following the birth of the Lebanese government. "When the Lebanese cabinet was formed the first reaction by Israel was threatening the Lebanese government because Hezbollah took part in its cabinet. Actually, Hezbollah was part of the previous governments as well."

MORE REGIONAL COOPERATION NEEDED TO FIGHT DIVISION ATTEMPTS
Meanwhile, Sayyed Nasrallah warned against attempts to portray conflicts in the region as "sectarian" ones and called for more regional cooperation to fight such attempts.

"Tensions are rising in the Arab world and there are attempts to convey them as sectarian strife in order to further divide the region through creating priorities other than the liberation of lands occupied by Israel."

"We cannot rely on the US to resolve our conflicts when it creates and funds them. Arab leaders should deploy national efforts to resolve their crises," Sayyed Nasrallah emphasized. "In this regard, we take positively the major role played by Turkey, and we are with "Sunni" Turkey if it defends Gaza and Lebanon more than "Shiite" Iran," Sayyed Nasrallah said in response to "sectarian" comments.

"We also take positively the Syrian-Saudi summit, and we were the first to reap its fruits. We look positively at any rapprochement in the region, such as the Iranian-Qatari one. Even more, we call for a Saudi-Iranian rapprochement to establish communication between the two countries. Let there be an Iranian initiative toward Saudi Arabia, or a Saudi Arabian initiative toward Iran."

Turning to Yemen, Sayyed Nasrallah called on for efforts to stop the war in Yemen, rejecting claims that it was of a sectarian nature. "How could it be sectarian? Is President Ali Abdallah Saleh from a sect different than the Houthis'?" his eminence wondered, stressing that the crisis in Yemen is political by nature. "But they are seeking to turn it into sectarian and this is very dangerous and should be stopped."

Hezbollah Secretary General then praised the latest speech of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad delivered during an economic conference in Turkey. His eminence said he appreciates Assad's call for adopting Resistance and called to generalize it on the Arab and Islamic levels. "In the Resistance, we are always proud of those who stand at our side. We're never ashamed of our friendship with Syria, Iran, Turkey, Venezuella and all those who back and support us."

ISRAEL'S PSYCHOLOGICAL WAR WILL FAIL
Turning into the Lebanese internal crisis, Sayyed Nasrallah chose to start by commenting the Israeli threats against Lebanon. "The Israelis are trying to talk about a war, and when they talk about some rockets in Gaza and Lebanon, they want to create an atmosphere and advocate a possible war. But there is another possibility; that this means never engaging in a war," Sayyed Nasrallah pointed out.

"When Israeli chief of staff talks about tens of thousands of rockets, he knows we will neither confirm nor deny. But he might be telling his people that if they want to engage in a new war it would not be like in 2006. He's telling them that there won't be one place in occupied Palestine that wouldn't be threatened by rockets and missiles. He is saying that not only Haifa, Netanya and Tel Aviv will be displaced in the next battle but all Israeli settlements."

While reiterating that "bargaining on regional or international pressure is useless," Sayyed Nasrallah emphasized that Hezbollah doesn't seek a war but is ready for all possibilities. "As Lebanese, we should ensure that the Israeli enemy’s psychological war will fail. Israel has to understand that if it launches a war on Lebanon, all the Lebanese will together defend their nation. Through our resistance we will turn this threat into an opportunity," Sayyed Nasrallah highlighted.

NEXT BATTLE WILL START FROM BEYOND AND BEYOND HAIFA
Hezbollah Secretary General stressed that Lebanese are able of turning any threat into an opportunity. "The Israelis are saying that their air force cannot win such a war. They only have the option of an extended land operation. We will turn this threat into an opportunity."

"Next time the battle will start from beyond and beyond Haifa instead of Haifa and beyond Haifa," the Resistance's leader pledged, adding that "the geographical nature of the south, and Lebanon in general, was created by God to humiliate and destroy the occupiers."

"We are more trained and prepared. We evaluated the war as well and addressed our weak points," his eminence said, before addressing Israelis: "Send as many (Israeli) brigades as you want, send even your whole army, we will destroy them in our valleys and mountains."

WE NEVER CONSIDERED SIZE OF OUR SHARE IN GOV'T
On the new government formation, Sayyed Nasrallah congratulated the Lebanese on its birth following a long delay, refusing to re-open to stage of the formation process for many considerations. "However, I have a quick comment. Now that the government has been formed, people discovered that much of the analyses of media and politicians and experts were false. I used to laugh whenever I heard them saying that Hezbollah is obstructing the cabinet because Iran wants to take something in its nuclear issue. This is really funny. Let those political experts and philosophers return to logic before delivering statements."

"Our goal since the first day was the cabinet formation and we have never considered the size of our share," Sayyed Nasrallah stressed.

GOVERNMENT SUCCESS BENEFITS RESISTANCE
Meanwhile, Sayyed Nasrallah stressed that "the success of the government benefits Lebanon and the resistance in Lebanon," and urged patience in raising major issues so that the country can rest.

"We want for the government to be a government of national cooperation and national coherence instead of being a barricades government," Sayyed Nasrallah stressed.
His eminence called on the PM and the ministers not to set unreachable targets. "The Ministerial Statement should not be debatable. There are priorities, such as the socio-economic situation. Let us not move from one crisis to another. We can discuss whatever we want in the National Dialogue, which is discussing the national defense strategy."

EVERYONE CALLED TO COOPERATE WITH GOV'T TO FIGHT DRUGS
To conclude, Sayyed Nasrallah opened a very sensitive issue which is the issue of drugs, stressing that all Lebanese were concerned with it.

"Some are seeking to destroy our social environment. The issue of drugs is very dangerous, even more dangerous than robbery and illegitimate sexual relations. All our values collapse when we become addicted to drugs," Sayyed Nasrallah warned.

His eminence urges all Lebanese to cooperate with the government to fight this new phenomenon. "We have to cooperate with the government, all of us, to deal with the issue of drugs. All sects, all religious figures, parents, everyone is concerned and the security forces need to undertake this responsibility. Israel is working to diffuse drugs in our country as part of its war against us."

Sayyed Nasrallah ended his speech by renewing pledge to all the martyrs who defended Lebanon, to keep Lebanon a sovereign unified country, the country of stability and civilization.

^^ Everytime i hear/read his speeches it gives me chills.. Sometimes and at certain points he actually makes me proud!!

I wonder though what he meant by ".. even more dangerous than robbery and illegitimate sexual relations"!! Is he referring to sex before marriage and/or homosexuality?!

^^ And this summary is shit, compared to if you watch it live. Despite everyones political preference you can agree that his charisma is excellent. He combines pride, bravery, with humor and at the same time sends strong messanges to Israel. About the drug thing he spend about 20 minutes absouloutely bashing the though of drugs, intially he did not want to strongely oppose drugs publicly because he did not want to lose supporters in Baalback and other areas that produce drugs. But he said it is out of hand, and hundreds of kids in the Dahiyeh and beirut are getting addicted because people are saying that they , are halls, but they are actually weed in pill form. He called the situation a "pandemic" as all schools and colleges are facing this problem. Even if you drop-down cannot stand hezbollah, i suggest all watch his speech because it provides some interesting information that is not outlined in this poor summarey. :)

^^



NNA: Dutch arrested at airport for possession of 10 kg of marijuana
November 12, 2009


The National News Agency (NNA) reported on Thursday that Beirut Hariri International Airport’s security arrested a 68-year-old Dutch man returning to Holland for attempting to smuggle around 10 kg of marijuana through customs.

The airport security transferred the detainee to the Central Office for Drug Control for further investigation.

-NOW Lebanon

^^ Everytime i hear/read his speeches it gives me chills.. Sometimes and at certain points he actually makes me proud!!

I wonder though what he meant by ".. even more dangerous than robbery and illegitimate sexual relations"!! Is he referring to sex before marriage and/or homosexuality?!

Yes Rabih illigitimate sexual relations means anything that contradicts the holy scriptures. that includes homosexuality and sex before marriage, or anything they deem as sinful!

wow I was not aware the when and with whom I had sex with was an issue of national and governmental security.

I am dangerous lol

wow I was not aware the when and with whom I had sex with was an issue of national and governmental security.

I am dangerous lol

Yes Lebnani and incase you didn't know, your debaucherous lifestyle would serve zionist interests! :lol:

I wish I could joke about that without actually believing that at some level they believe that.

Some of my relatives, the hard core religious type, believe everything from pop music, to skimpy dresses as the work of zionists waging a moral war against Islam. Think of the narcissism to believe that you are that worthy of an opponent that the Israeli's would wage war by fashion, pop music, and hedonistic sex.

^^ That statement is highly unrefrenced and false. I to know very consertative people, but in NO way more than 2 percent are like that. So please dont say "they" beleive that. It really reflects your conservationism on the subject.

:lol::lol::rofl::rofl:
There pathethic

12/11/2009 One day after Hezbollah General Secretary Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah warned Israel not to try to launch any aggression against Lebanon, promising it with humiliating defeat; Israeli media revealed Thursday that Hezbollah knows every single detail about the activities of the Israeli occupation army.

Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot said it has got a document confirming that Hezbollah knows every detail about the activities of the Israeli army and the command of the northern area and brigade 91 in the border area.

The Israeli paper says in its report issued Thursday morning, "The bulletin shows to what extent Hezbollah intelligence succeeded in penetrating into the Israeli army, and proves that Hezbollah has enough sources of information."

According to Yediot Aharonot, "the bulletin consists of 150 pages, and describes in detail the deployment of the Israeli army, and its land, naval and aerial activities."

The Israeli daily quoted an officer who was occupying a senior position in the so-called northern region leadership as saying, "I was shocked when I read the information that came in the bulletin."


The Israeli officer added that it dealt with information on the “binoculars monitoring, surveillance cameras, aerial alarm systems, land alarm systems, and an abundance of information about the drones, those aircrafts which we thought they were working in complete secrecy.”

On Tuesday, Israeli occupation army Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi warned that Hezbollah is currently armed with thousands of missiles, some of which could reach the southern city of Dimona, Tel Aviv and other major cities in occupied Palestine.

"Some of them have a range of 300 km and some of them have a range of up to 325 km," Ashkenazi said, adding that the missiles were ready for use.

"There is a paradox – one hand there is calm, but when you peek over the fence you can see armament and empowerment," he said.

^^ That statement is highly unrefrenced and false. I to know very consertative people, but in NO way more than 2 percent are like that. So please dont say "they" beleive that. It really reflects your conservationism on the subject.

We are conservationists and we are proud of it. We should conserve all historical buildings in Lebanon! :lol:

http://farfesh.com/Display.asp?catID=118&maincatID=117&sID=67209

MAN what's up with this jealousyyyyyy ? now the Palestinians want to beat our record in Tabouleh, look how ugly and disorganized they look, damn i swear to god i'll never change my opinion, *******************************

^^That's racist :(

http://farfesh.com/Display.asp?catID=118&maincatID=117&sID=67209

MAN what's up with this jealousyyyyyy ? now the Palestinians want to beat our record in Tabouleh, look how ugly and disorganized they look, damn i swear to god i'll never change my opinion, ISRAELIS ARE WAY BETTER THAN THESE CREATURES CALLED PALESTINIANS... tfouu

SHUT UP!! SHUT UP!!!!!

If this doesn't get a brig, there's smthg wrong over here.

^^ He was given an infraction and post was edited. For a first-time offender a brig is too harsh. He wasnt attacking anyone personally.

Lebkm i really wish i could insult the hell out of u right now, because that comment was leaking ignorasim, stupidity, follishness, araagism and a thousand other words portraying stupid. respect yourself, you sound like a uneducated, radical, extreme person there. Calling a race "creatures" becasue they win a record yea everyone is pissed off but u dont us posting ultra extremsit racist comments.

EHTERAM HALAAK!!!

im shocked

Leb.fr you don't tell me to shut up, i wasn't talking to you, and i didn't even mention you, so you better respect yourself , as for jader it's none of your damn business what my opinion is about palestinians, i hate palestinians and i am free to do so , just like you hate Israelis and keep insulting them day and night and no1 says anything to you, I am free to say whatever i want, so don't call me a racist tell yourself that, and yes i am a racist, and it's none of your business, and for once do me a favor and the rest of the members and mostly do yourself a favor and stop describing other people's posts as if you were the only educated, smart, respectful, moderate person in this forum, whereas am not gonna say what the truth is, so next time keep your opinions for yourself cause i obviously don't give a damn, w enta bte7terem 7alak, for i am respectful more than you could ever be, and everyone here knows it.. and i don't hate palestinians because they beat our record, i am not narrow-thinking like some of us here, i hate them because of all what they did to Lebanon, and because they hate us big time, and about the record i wish they could have remembered the tabouleh when the isrealis did it, not when we did it... W enta yali betdalak te7kine bel jnoub ya batal tzakar 7alak wa2et rashet rez 3al israeli ta tekhlas mnel falastine, this the first time you get me to sound disrespectful you and Leb.fr,but if you're gonna attack me and disrespect me, hell am not gonna just keep quiet, so mind your own business both of you

Are you real? Well why don't you start keeping your opinions to yourself because no one gives a damn about them, then ask us to do so. And you are saying that what you said isn't disrespectful? Wow!

You are free to say whatever you want, but let me remind you that this forum has rules. I myself got several infractions for not respecting them. You don't like it, you stay quiet. You want to express your opinion, no one is prohibiting you, by do it in a way which respects others, and this forum's rules.

well there i think there is a moderator for this forum, and obviously it's not you, so it's not up to you to prohibit me from saying anything, because you can't even do it, and you can't tell me what to say and what not to say, if the moderators think i said or did something wrong, they know their job and they know what to do about it, so how about you stick to your posts and let me deal with mine, and when i said what i said i was talking about Palestinians, not about any Lebanese, and as far as i am concerned this is a Lebanese forum, so i believe they have to prohibit you from saying anything about the Israelis because who knows you might offend someone by doing so, and of course you wont be offending me because to me they're my enemies as well as they're yours, but maybe someone else will get offended, so please don't tell me to stay quiet coz i wont, and i'll keep saying whatever i want and no1 is asking for your feedback..

You need a moderator to make you behave? You can't do it by yourself?
Anyway, I said everything I had.

I believe you said you got several infractions for not respecting the rules of this forum, whereas this is my first infraction, so seriously you're not entitled to tell me to behave, cause i do know how to behave, and i'll say it again, in case i did not behave, it's the moderator's job to punish me for it, and not yours ... that's what i have to say too

and i don't hate palestinians because they beat our record, i am not narrow-thinking like some of us here, i hate them because of all what they did to Lebanon

Typical of so many Lebanese. Blame someone else for your own problems...

Remind me what was my problem before the PLO showed up in Lebanon and turned it into a battle field with Israel, and almost occupied Lebanon afterwards, killing people, raping women, humiliating the Lebanese, controlling every little detail in Lebanon, and causing us an Israeli and a Syrian occupation, my friend the jordanians used the help of the Israelis to kick the Palestinians out of their country, and the Syrians almost exterminated the Palestinians to kick them out of their country, and all Arabs agreed that the best place to send them is Lebanon, as part of Kissinger's plan to make Lebanon an alternative home for them, so please don't tell me that they're pigeons of peace and they did nothing, because they did everything .

Germany occupied France during WWII. Today they represent the great European Axis.

I know the situation is different here, but what you are talking about happened more than 30 years ago.

am i not still living the consequence of what happened 30 years ago ? the funny thing is that when someone hears you guys defending the palestinians this way, they'd think that the Palestinians feel the same about you and share the same love with you, whereas the fact is that Palestinians hate the Lebanese and mostly the shi'a , wlek during the war of Nahr el barid, even though hezballah had nothing to do with that war, on the contrary Sayyed Hassan nasrallah was defending them, they created a group on facebook just to attack Hezballah, wlek ana li mane ma3 hezballah i found myself defending them against the palestinians who just wanted to show how bad they hate us, and that group had about 40.000 members so that you won't tell me it's an exception... bas hayda l LEBNENE HEK MA BI7EB 2ELA LI BYEKRAHO W BYET3ANO BIDAHRO W BIJEBLO MASHEKIL, hayda na7na w hayda terikhna

30 years ago, I wasn't born. Palestinians of my age today weren't born 30 years ago. Why do you want to to blame them on something their ancestries did? Sorry but I'm not like this. You may not like them, but that's not reason enough to insult them the way you do. If you love israel that much, why don't you go and live there?

hahahahhahahahahahhahaahhaha dude hahahahhahaha man you just gave the biggest laugh in like forever.... when the hell did you see me saying anything about Israel, the only time i mentioned Israel was 4 posts ago when i told you they're my enemies as well as they're yours, hahahhahahaha but this is typically a hezballah supporter, i am talking to you about the palestinians and you conclude that i love Israel, hehehehe as well as this is hilarious it's sad, but just to make it clear for you, I am LEBANESE, and i will never have another home because i would give my soul and blood for this country, and this is the only country i belong too, yet you on the other hand seem to love the Palestinians so much, so why don't you go join Hamas and help them get their land back , that is a wiser thing to say ...

Leb10452km,

Lebanon's problems go long before a single Palestinian refugee set foot in Lebanon.

I'm not saying the Palestinians have not caused problems for Lebanon, but Lebanon's problems are due to deep divides within Lebanese society that go back before Lebanon's independence in 1943. The PLO in Lebanon was just part of a small era in Lebanon's long turbulent history. And if you want to talk about massacres, the PLO was not alone in committing horrendous massacres. ALL factions in the Lebanese civil war committed notorious crimes against one another.

Until Lebanese like yourself stop trying to shift blame to others, Lebanon's problems will never be solved and will never become united.

Oh and one more thing. There is no difference between yourself and the "Palestinian creatures" as you so kindly put it. Less than 100 years ago, there was no such thing as a separate Lebanon or a separate Palestine or a separate Syria or a separate Jordan. We all shared the common Eastern Mediterranean coastline and constantly moved about.

The only real difference between you and a Palestinian is that you have a Lebanese passport. There is no ethnic boundary that exists between Lebanon and any of its neighbors. The borders were drawn arbitrarily in the 1920's by the French and British. You may very well have blood-related relatives that are Palestinians, going back to some great grandparents.

So cut the "Lebanese supremacist" nonsense.

Lebanese_Cedar,

I am not denying the fact that Lebanon has internal problems and deep divides between its sectarian people, and these problems definitely have to be solved if we want to have a sovereign country free of foreign interference and united in the inside. Yet Lebanon had never witnessed a civil war and no LEBANESE fraction committed notorious crimes before the PLO pulled the trigger of this civil war you're talking about, let me just remind you that Lebanon was in its gold age before the arrival of the PLO..

Oh less than a hundred years ago, more than 50 countries in the world did not exist, so are you suggesting they're not legitimate because they were formed recently, the USA was found in 1492, do you want to tell me that Americans do not differ from RED INDIANS, and just for your information MOUNT LEBANON has had self governance since 500 years, so yes we're not the same after all, to you Palestinians might seem a better people than Lebanese or i don't know what you think exactly, but to me the Lebanese passport that differentiates me from other people is the only blessing that god gave me and hell am proud of it ..

and excuse me i love my LEBANESE SUPREMACY and i don't feel like stopping it

Yet Lebanon had never witnessed a civil war and no LEBANESE fraction committed notorious crimes before the PLO pulled the trigger of this civil war you're talking about, let me just remind you that Lebanon was in his gold age before the arrival of the PLO..

Then you clearly don't know your Lebanese history. In the 1800's, Lebanon had periods of violence between different communities, notably between the Druze and Maronites in the mountains.

In 1958, we had a 3-month civil war that prompted the U.S. Marines to come in.

Oh less than a hundred years ago, more than 50 countries in the world did not exist, so are you suggesting they're not legitimate because they were formed recently, the USA was found in 1492, do you want to tell me that Americans do not differ from RED INDIANS, and just for your information MOUNT LEBANON has had self governance since 500 years, so yes we're not the same after all, to you Palestinians might seem a better people than Lebanese or i don't know what you think exactly, but to me the Lebanese passport that differentiates me from other people is the only blessing that god gave me and hell am proud of it ..

First of all, I'm not discussing the legitimacy of countries. I am discussing culture and ethnic boundaries, of which there is really no difference between the people of the Levant.

By the way, the United States was founded in 1776. 1492 was the year Christopher Columbus found the New World.

I am glad to know where you stand as according to you, the only real Lebanese are those from the Mount Lebanon area, specifically around Qadisha Valley.

I guess according to you, the people from Saida (Sidon) are not actually Lebanese, but Palestinians as Saida and all of southern Lebanon were part of the same administrative area as northern Palestine.

And I guess according to you, the people from Tripoli and Akkar are actually not Lebanese, but Syrians!

I guess that means most Lebanese actually are not Lebanese, but Lebanese impostors. Glad to know where you stand...

I guess that means most Lebanese actually are not Lebanese, but Lebanese impostors. Glad to know where you stand...

:nuts: I had to read that a few times

Of course i do know about my history, and i do know about the violence that took place in the 1800's which all started because a Christian man went hunting in a piece of land that belonged to a Durzi man, don't worry i know everything about my country, and though there was violence it was not a civil war and how are you talking about what happened in the 1800's when you clearly believe there was nothing such as " LEBANON " at that time, aren't u contradicting yourself a bit ? plus what happened in 1958 was not a "CIVIL WAR", you simply like to call anything a civil war, it was a revolution attempt from the people who supported the Arab unity and JAMAL ABDEL NASER against president SHAMOUN who was accused of being part of the BAGHDAD PACT..


i know the united states was found in 1776, and the new world was found in 1492, i meant to say AMERICA and i just said the USA by mistake,.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but you can't put words in my mouth and act glad about it, i never said i don't consider all the Lebanese living within the current Lebanese territories as Lebanese people, they're Lebanese 100%, i am not even from mount Lebanon, I am from baalback, so don't just jump into conclusions, that obviously have nothing to do with reality, all i said is that Lebanon was independent long before any other Arab state was, the sykes picot agreement just added more land to the republic, and since the Republic was formed in 1920 everyone who lived within it became Lebanese.

As for the ethnicity, please tell me how the Palestinians and the Lebanese are ethnically the same people, the Palestinians are Canaanites, and the Lebanese are Phoenicians, that's if you wanna go deep in history..

Why is it whenever we say that we are only with Lebanon and we don't care what Palestinians,Syrians and Iranians are going through and what issues they've got with israel or even residents of Mars,March 8 supporters say we r israelis and we are "3omala and khawana"? i mean i really need an answer.

Hassoun wallah ma ba3ref, wlek Leb.fr and I were talking about Palestinians, ma jebna siret Israel, just few posts before i emphasized on the point Israel is my enemy as well, la2en i know at some point he will accuse me of treason, and even though i did say that, ekhir shi toli3 ma3o, that i love Israel and i should go live there, seriously what can someone say more ...

Of course i do know about my history, and i do know about the violence that took place in the 1800's which all started because a Christian man went hunting in a piece of land that belonged to a Durzi man, don't worry i know everything about my country, and though there was violence it was not a civil war and how are you talking about what happened in the 1800's when you clearly believe there was nothing such as " LEBANON " at that time, aren't u contradicting yourself a bit ?

No, I'm not contradicting myself. The region of Lebanon is thousands of years old, but it did not exist as a country until 1943. Regardless of the political boundaries that existed over the years, the land which now constitutes the Republic of Lebanon, has had a violent and turbulent history.

If the periods of numerous violence in the 1800's weren't periods of civil unrest, then what were they?

plus what happened in 1958 was not a "CIVIL WAR", you simply like to call anything a civil war, it was a revolution attempt from the people who supported the Arab unity and JAMAL ABDEL NASER against president SHAMOUN who was accused of being part of the BAGHDAD PACT..

Historians would beg to differ. 1958 was very much a civil war and resulted in much death and destruction. Again, it was a reflection of the deep divisions in Lebanese society.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but you can't put words in my mouth and act glad about it, i never said i don't consider all the Lebanese living within the current Lebanese territories as Lebanese people, they're Lebanese 100%

Well then you're being a hypocrite. You yourself tried to justify that Lebanese are "different" from others because the isolated areas of Mount Lebanon were autonomous for hundreds of years, yet this is only a very very small part of modern day Lebanon. Based on your argument, only these people that lived in isolation are the only true Lebanese.

all i said is that Lebanon was independent long before any other Arab state was, the sykes picot agreement just added more land to the republic, and since the Republic was formed in 1920 everyone who lived within it became Lebanese.

And again you contradict yourself here. You just admitted Lebanese are "different" from their neighbors because the isolated Mount Lebanon areas were autonomous, yet again, this area constitutes only a small part of modern day Lebanon and an even smaller part of modern day Lebanon's total population.

So again tell me, do you consider people from Saida and the rest of southern Lebanon to be non-Lebanese, because they and the rest of southern Lebanon, were part of an administrative entity that encompassed much of Palestine?

How can somebody change ethnically/culturally overnight? You claim that you view people of Saida and southern Lebanon as Lebanese, yet you just admitted that these areas were added to Lebanon after the Sykes/Picot agreement between the British and the French.

As for the ethnicity, please tell me how the Palestinians and the Lebanese are ethnically the same people, the Palestinians are Kenaanis, and the Lebanese are Phoenicians, that's if you wanna go deep in history..

Canaanites/Phoenicans are the same. Canaan is what the Phoenicians called their homeland. And no, the people of the Levant (Lebanese, Syrians, Palestinians, Jordanians) are not completely 100% ethnically Canaanite/Phoenician. We're a diverse mix of many different ethnic backgrounds from the numerous civilizations that once ruled the Levant.

^^ :applause:

-Lebanon the Republic existed in 1920 and not 1943, in 1943 we got our independence from the French mandate. The region witnessed a lot of "Civil unrest" because of the continuous
French and Ottoman interference, and because the people were religiously divided so that you wont say i am blaming others again, and what happened in 1958 yes reflected a political division between the Lebanese and the different visions each party had for Lebanon, but it's nothing that you can compare to the civil war 1975-1990, that was triggered and caused by the Palestinians, and which turned all 18 religious sects against each other until our very day.

-When i mentioned that mount Lebanon was autonomous for hundreds of years it was just to point out that Lebanon is not a part of a greater unit, that some people call it the GREAT SYRIA or BELAD ALSHAM, it wasn't to say that people in the other parts that joined the republic later are not Lebanese, and yes you cannot deny that Mount Lebanon is a unique area of Lebanon, and it does not make other cities and towns less Lebanese or Less important, every single inch of Lebanese soil matters just as much as Mount Lebanon.

I didn't say that the Lebanese people are different from their neighbors because of the isolated Mount Lebanon areas were autonomous, i just explained to you what i meant by that, as for the part of what makes the Lebanese different, it is not the self governance that makes us different from our neighbors, it is our heritage, our culture, our language (even if it means a different accent),our habits. that is what makes us different from our neighbors. Once more i assure you that i consider any Lebanese living within the Lebanese territory as a 100% Lebanese, so don't try to make me sound as if i don't.

-Canaanites and Phoenicians, Canaanites came from the southern parts of the Arabian Peninsula and they're Hamitic, whereas Phoenicians came from the eastern parts of the Arabian Peninsula and they're Semitic, these are uncertain historic facts and we can argue about them forever, but we wont get anywhere because even great historians could not agree on the roots of each race. and it is true many civilizations ruled the Levant and we're a mix of everything that's been there, yet, we as Lebanese of nowadays are different from our neighbors, even if the only difference according to you is our LEBANESE PASSPORT, i am satisfied with that, but we are different :)

-Lebanon the Republic existed in 1920 and not 1943, in 1943 we got our independence from the French mandate. The region witnessed a lot of "Civil unrest" because of the continuous
French and Ottoman interference, and because the people were religiously divided so that you wont say i am blaming others again, and what happened in 1958 yes reflected a political division between the Lebanese and the different visions each party had for Lebanon, but it's nothing that you can compare to the civil war 1975-1990, that was triggered and caused by the Palestinians, and which turned all 18 religious sects against each other until our very day.

Lebanon became a French mandate in 1920. It was not an independent country. We became an independent country in 1943.

Your mistake is putting the blame on the 1975-1990 civil war entirely on Palestinians. The seeds for war the war were in place long before 1975 and long before the PLO. The Palestinians were one of many factors that caused the civil war. Until the Lebanese people acknowledge that, the Lebanese will never be able to move on. We are a deeply divided people and it is this division that is the root cause of the 1975-1990 civil war and all our problems today.

You need to stop using Palestinians and others as scapegoats for our own divisions.

-When i mentioned that mount Lebanon was autonomous for hundreds of years it was just to point out that Lebanon is not a part of a greater unit, that some people call it the GREAT SYRIA or BELAD ALSHAM, it wasn't to say that people in the other parts that joined the republic later are not Lebanese, and yes you cannot deny that Mount Lebanon is a unique area of Lebanon, and it does not make other cities and towns less Lebanese or Less important, every single inch of Lebanese soil matters just as much as Mount Lebanon.

You keep dodging the question. You yourself have just admitted that Lebanese are different from their neighbors because Mount Lebanon was autonomous for hundreds of years, yet again, Mount Lebanon constitutes only a very small part of modern day Lebanon. Again, do you consider the people of Saida and the rest of southern Lebanon, which are not historically part of Mount Lebanon, to be non-Lebanese?

I didn't say that the Lebanese people are different from their neighbors because of the isolated Mount Lebanon areas were autonomous, i just explained to you what i meant by that, as for the part of what makes the Lebanese different, it is not the self governance that makes us different from our neighbors, it is our heritage, our culture, our language (even if it means a different accent),our habits. that is what makes us different from our neighbors. Once more i assure you that i consider any Lebanese living within the Lebanese territory as a 100% Lebanese, so don't try to make me sound as if i don't.

The dialects change as you go through Lebanon as do some cultural differences. These differences do not follow political boundaries drawn between the British and the French in the 1920's. These differences developed gradually over hundreds and thousands of years. When you cross from Lebanon into Syria, you don't suddenly enter into a land with a people of very different language and culture.

A lot of right-wing Lebanese that like to attack Rafic Hariri used to call him a Palestinian because he, like the people of Saida, have a dialect very much like that of many Palestinians.

I live in the United States and there are many many different dialects depending on what part of the country you are in, yet we are still all Americans.

-Canaanites and Phoenicians, Canaanites came from the southern parts of the Arabian Peninsula and they're Hamitic, whereas Phoenicians came from the eastern parts of the Arabian Peninsula and they're Semitic, these are uncertain historic facts and we can argue about them forever, but we wont get anywhere because even great historians could not agree on the roots of each race. and it is true many civilizations ruled the Levant and we're a mix of everything that's been there, yet, we as Lebanese of nowadays are different from our neighbors, even if the only difference according to you is our LEBANESE PASSPORT, i am satisfied with that, but we are different :)

Wrong, Canaanites and Phoenicians are the same. Canaanites were given the name Phoenicians by the Ancient Greeks because of the purple dye they traded.

Let me present you a simple situation. Suppose you lived in a village, and 5 kilometers north of you is another village. Suppose the British and French draw a political border between your village and the other village 5 kilometers north of you. Are those people in the other village suddenly "different creatures" now?

Canada and the United States are two separate countries, but are the people of each country "different creatures" culturally and ethnically? No, the United States and Canada are both countries with a diverse array of ethnicities, cultures, and religions. They are both immigrant melting pots.

You have a lot of maturing to do Leb10452km.

Perhaps one day you will grow up and realize that we are all human beings and that we live in a world full of many different cultures, heritages, and languages, but that we are all ultimately the same and not "different creatures" as you put it.

Leb10452km2 got alot of points true.

-Yeah i know but the republic of Lebanon with its current borders was announced in September first, 1920, and we became an independent country in 1943 yes.


The thing is you don't want to understand what i'm saying, i never said that the Lebanese had nothing to do with everything that happened in Lebanon, if they were not so divided in the first place they wouldn't have let anyone come between them, but what i am saying is that the impact that the Palestinians had on Lebanon and its people is unprecedented, the hate that they caused between the Lebanese is unprecedented, even during the civil war 1975-1990 you could see that Christians and Muslims did not hate each other as much as they do nowadays for instance, when the front lines used to calm down, fighters from both sides used to reach out and drink tea together, but as the struggle continued the hate increased between the two, and don't forget that before the arrival of the PLO we had a military we had internal security forces, people did not dare to look in an officer's eyes at that time, we had law, we had institutions, but after the Cairo agreement it just turned into a Chaos, everyone started forming a militia, allying with foreign countries, tearing the institutions apart, that is what the PLO caused Lebanon, it doesn't make us as Lebanese less guilty, we are guilty from our heads to our toes.

-I just explained to you what i meant when i talked about Mount Lebanon, and you keep repeating the same question, and i'll tell you the same answer, I CONSIDER EVERY LEBANESE LIVING WITHIN THE LEBANESE TERRITORIES A 100% LEBANESE...


-I know that dialects change as you move within Lebanon itself, but come on are you telling me you wont tell the difference between a Lebanese man from any Lebanese town or village speaking and a Palestinian or a Syrian speaking ? and are you for real ? the accent spoken in Saida is similar to that of many Palestinians ?? have you ever heard a Palestinian speak ? the only word they have in common in "ZAY".

As for cultures and heritage, of course it's not something we have overnight, it's something that we accumulate throughout the years, and i believe in 90 years since the announcement of the republic we have accumulated many habits and cultural heritage that is different from our neighboring countries.

Speaking about crossing from Lebanon to Syria, even though I am living in Europe, never in my life had i felt away and distant from home as much as i did when we crossed to Syria in July's war, i totally felt like an Alien there, and it's up to you to believe it or not, but just walking on the streets i could tell who is Lebanese just by looking at them, since there were so many Lebanese at that time, just by looking at them you could tell they're Lebanese and not Syrians.

-The Canaanite/Phoenician debate is endless and according to many historians including Dr. Philip Hitti Author of the" History of the Arabs" claim that Phoenicians are different than Canaanites, so neither of us can be sure about this point.

-Last but not least, after 90 years of drawing a line between my village and the other village which is 5 kilometers north of me, of course we're gonna become different, and if i said the word " CREATURES " earlier and you're still blaming me for it, it was a moment of anger, and i do take back what i said.

I have a lot of maturing to do and so does every human being, no man is ever mature enough or fully mature, maturation is a continuous process that never ends, and I respect all human beings regardless their race, sex, color, religions or anything else, and being an agnostic, the only thing i believe in is the potentials and the capabilities of human beings, but when any human being is gonna show hatred, jealousy, or envy towards my country, the least thing i can do is hate back at them ....

The thing you don't want to understand what i'm saying, i never said that the Lebanese had nothing to do with everything that happened in Lebanon, if they were not so divided in the first place they wouldn't have let anyone come between them, but what i am saying is that the impact that the Palestinians had on Lebanon and its people is unprecedented, the hate that they caused between the Lebanese is unprecedented, even during the civil war 1975-1990 you could see that Christians and Muslims did not hate each other as much as they do nowadays for instance, when the front lines used to calm down, fighters from both sides used to reach out and drink tea together, but as the struggle continued the hate increased between the two, and don't forget that before the arrival of the PLO we had a military we had internal security forces, people did not dare to look in an officer's eyes at that time, we had law, we had institutions, but after the Cairo agreement it just turned into a Chaos, everyone started forming a militia, allying with foreign countries, tearing the institutions apart, that is what the PLO caused Lebanon, it doesn't make us as Lebanese less guilty, we are guilty from our heads to our toes.

Lebanon has never had a strong central government except for a brief period under Fouad Chehab and this was a period when the country was perhaps the most stable and peaceful in its history, but again, it was brief, and much of the work by Fouad Chehab was undone by Suleiman Frangieh which opened the seeds for war only a few years later. The PLO alone did not cause the civil war in Lebanon. It is ultimately our divisions and our dysfunctional confessional system that deepened these divisions that ultimately caused the civil war.

I suggest you read Robert Fisk's Pity The Nation for an accurate assessment of the causes of the 1975 civil war.

-I know that dialects change as you move within Lebanon itself, but come on are you telling me you wont tell the difference between a Lebanese man from any Lebanese town or village speaking and a Palestinian or a Syrian speaking ? and are you for real ? the accent spoken in Saida is similar to that of many Palestinians ?? have you ever heard a Palestinian speak ? the only word they have in common in "ZAY".

First of all, there is no such thing as a "Palestinian dialect." Among Palestinians, you will find many different dialects depending on what part of Palestine they are from, just like in Lebanon you will find many different dialects depending on what part of the country you are in.

Palestinians from northern Palestine speak very much like the people of Saida and many other southern Lebanese towns. After all, it was all under the same administrative region prior to the Sykes/Picot agreement, so it is no surprise.

As for cultures and heritage, of course it's not something we have overnight, it's something that we accumulate throughout the years, and i believe in 90 years since the announcement of the republic we have accumulated many habits and cultural heritage that is different from our neighboring countries.

We've developed different political outlooks and ideologies, but in 90 years, the food we eat, the language we speak, and the traditions we follow have not changed much, especially since you will find differences within our country itself depending on which part you are in, so whatever minor differences you may find among Palestinians is not due to different nationality, but due to minor regional changes irrespective of modern national boundaries.

Speaking about crossing from Lebanon to Syria, even though I am living in Europe, never in my life had i felt away and distant from home as much as i did when we crossed to Syria in July's war, i totally felt like an Alien there, and it's up to you to believe it or not, but just walking on the streets i could tell who is Lebanese just by looking at them, since there were so many Lebanese at that time, just by looking at them you could tell they're Lebanese and not Syrians.

:nuts: Please explain how you could tell them apart just by "looking at them..."

I visited Damascus for a day (my first visit ever) when I was in Lebanon this April and I felt very strong political differences because of the very authoritarian nature of the country and how brainwashed the people are by their government's propaganda. If you read the book 1984 by George Orwell, you'll understand why.

But besides that, I found more similarities than differences. Lebanese are probably more open-minded as a whole because of our more pluralistic and free democratic society. But when it comes to foods, languages, and traditions, we are very very similar. The restaurant I ate in Damascus could have been a restaurant in Beirut.

Damascus reminded me of Tripoli, but on a grander scale and lacking water of course.

It's the political outlook that is different, but that is because we live in a fairly democratic society while Syria is the complete opposite being an authoritarian dictatorship.

-Last but not least, after 90 years of drawing a line between my village and the other village which is 5 kilometers north of me, of course we're gonna become different, and if i said the word " CREATURES " earlier and you're still blaming me for it, it was a moment of anger, and i do take back what i said.

The entire Levant is one blurred area. Any lines you draw are arbitrary and do not reflect cultural, linguistic, ethnic, or religious boundaries. It takes far more than 90 years to bring any noticeable natural changes.

And nowadays with globalization, the world's boundaries are thinning.

If you believe otherwise, please provide some examples.

-The Canaanite/Phoenician debate is endless and according to many historians including Dr. Philip Hitti Author of the" History of the Arabs" claim that Phoenicians are different than Canaanites, so neither of us can be sure about this point.

The debate is whether a distinction needs to be made between Phoenicians and Canaanites or not, but it is well established that the Phoenicians are descendants of the Canaanites. Philip Hitti agrees that Phoenicians are descendants of the Canaanites in that book.

but when any human being is gonna show hatred, jealousy, or envy towards my country, the least thing i can do is hate back at them ....

Who has shown hatred, jealousy, or envy towards your country? It is you that called the Palestinians "creatures." The hatred started with you.

You got frustrated with a stupid food competition. It is your arrogance that led you to think "How dare the Palestinians or anyone else try to break our tabbouleh record!"

obviously this is a byzantine argument, that is leading no where, you are just trying to sound so sophisticated and so liberal and so loving for all humans, whereas this is not what i am discussing, so just to end this barren discussion, I believe trying to break a record for a food competition and even if it seems a shallow thing, just few days after the Lebanese did it, reflects nothing but jealousy, it is not coincidental that this event comes right after a similar event that we did just few days back. This is about the jealousy part, as for the hatred, it is not coincidental either that all the palestianians i met in my entire life hate the Lebanese, it is not coincidental that palestinians have dozens of groups on social networks such as facebook that are only about showing how much they hate the Lebanese, and above all it is not coincidental that my uncle was killed by the palestinians just because he was a soldier defending his homeland, try experiencing that and then lecture me about morals, and moreover it is not coincidental that the palestinians destroyed my country or if you like to put it in your philosophic self-blaming frame, they contributed in the destruction of my country, be it a thousand years ago or 30 years ago, it is the same to me, and it is not coincidental that one of the main problems in Lebanon today is the presence of the palestinian refugees and the palestinian guerrillas on our soil.

obviously this is a byzantine argument, that is leading no where, you are just trying to sound so sophisticated and so liberal and so loving for all humans

I'm not trying to sound "sophisticated." I'm trying to get you to open up and stop the hatred in you.

whereas this is not what i am discussing, so just to end this barren discussion, I believe trying to break a record for a food competition and even if it seems a shallow thing, just few days after the Lebanese did it, reflects nothing but jealousy, it is not coincidental that this event comes right after a similar event that we did just few days back.

Get over it. It's just a stupid food competition. You're treating it like a declaration of war on Lebanon. It's not even an official event yet you are taking out your frustration on all Palestinians?

Seriously, grow up.

Take a look at this article, it's being organized by a group of Israeli Arabs in an effort to bring people together following clashes:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ijQdqtdOJDZ1BbO37FFvkd3hE1EQ

This is about the jealousy part, as for the hatred, it is not coincidental either that all the palestianians i met in my entire life hate the Lebanese, it is not coincidental that palestinians have dozens of groups on social networks such as facebook that are only about showing how much they hate the Lebanese,

I have yet to meet a Palestinian that hates Lebanese. Most of the ones I've met either say how much they love Lebanon (if they've visited) while those that haven't talk about how much they want to visit. Where are the Facebook groups that show how much they hate Lebanese?

and above all it is not coincidental that my uncle was killed by the palestinians just because he was a soldier defending his homeland,

I'm very sorry for your loss, but I hope you realize that many people were killed in the civil war on ALL sides of the conflict.

try experiencing that and then lecture me about morals, and moreover it is not coincidental that the palestinians destroyed my country or if you like to put it in your philosophic self-blaming frame, they contributed in the destruction of my country, be it a thousand years ago or 30 years ago, it is the same to me, and it is not coincidental that one of the main problems in Lebanon today is the presence of the palestinian refugees and the palestinian guerrillas on our soil.

You are looking at the conflict at a very narrow perspective, when you fail to realize that all in Lebanon was not well even when you exclude the Palestinians. Lebanon's problems are deep and they go long before the first Palestinian refugee set foot on Lebanon. You seem unconvinced and insist on using the Palestinians as a scapegoat because it is convenient to do so.

You think that Lebanon would be perfect if it weren't for the Palestinians, but the facts show the contrary, but it is convenient to overlook these painful facts, but the Lebanese must if they are to reconcile.

Just to add... although borders are a new thing, Lebanese ancestry is unique to our population. When Geneographic projects went underway they haplotyped lebanese. It turned out we have specific haplotypes and polymorphisms unique to us and not found in other populations of the levant. On top of that, it also pointed out that Druze people have a certain haplotype that is highly conserved and seems to be selected for... and it was only to Druze of the present day lebanon region.

So although borders are new, we can say that we are different from the other countries. We already differ by language, culture, food, values and traditions.. but genetic makeup is also different. Also if anyone was interested, they believe around 80% of lebanese are descendants of the phoenicians (coming from any of the religious groups, no religious group showed better results than another).

I do not have references.. but I am sure you can look it up somewhere on the net where I am sure someone has talked about it.

And about Pali's not speaking bad about Lebanon... I know one of 25 that likes us, but that is because he is palestinian lebanese, and there is another girl who I like too because she doesn't affiliate herself with the pali drama (social drama, not political drama). The others outright do not like me, mainly because I am apparently a bad kid... I fit the "sinful and slutty" lebanese wayy they seem to think exists hahaha.
Of course this is not all, but the Pali's I know all do not like our people, or the country in general. I got congratulated by one when lebanese soldiers were killed in the clash in Nahr el bared. The dude was happy lebanese ppl were killed. Of course this is not cuz he is pali, but he is just sick. But overall my experience with the people has been crappy.

http://farfesh.com/Display.asp?catID=118&maincatID=117&sID=67209

MAN what's up with this jealousyyyyyy ? now the Palestinians want to beat our record in Tabouleh, look how ugly and disorganized they look, damn i swear to god i'll never change my opinion, *******************************

Oh Yea, I can't tell you how hidious the sight of them was....wtf? they look like regular people! I'm sure you wouldn't be saying this about them if they were of another nationality. SICK

Just to add... although borders are a new thing, Lebanese ancestry is unique to our population. When Geneographic projects went underway they haplotyped lebanese. It turned out we have specific haplotypes and polymorphisms unique to us and not found in other populations of the levant. On top of that, it also pointed out that Druze people have a certain haplotype that is highly conserved and seems to be selected for... and it was only to Druze of the present day lebanon region.

So although borders are new, we can say that we are different from the other countries. We already differ by language, culture, food, values and traditions.. but genetic makeup is also different. Also if anyone was interested, they believe around 80% of lebanese are descendants of the phoenicians (coming from any of the religious groups, no religious group showed better results than another).

I do not have references.. but I am sure you can look it up somewhere on the net where I am sure someone has talked about it.

The National Geographic Phoenician genographic project was not just done on Lebanese, it was also done on Syrians, Palestinians, Tunisians, Moroccans, Cypriots, and Maltese.

The Phoenicians left a mark everywhere they were.

Here's the article:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/10/081030-phoenician-dna-genographic-missions.html

The Druze having genetic characteristics specific to them isn't too surprising as many do not marry outside their religion. This applies not just to Lebanese Druze, but all Druze in general including those from Syria and Palestine.

i hope you're not calling me sick, because i can give you a list of names that you would love if i was meant by that

Your asking for it!

And the Lebanese saga continues... :ohno:

Campus Elections in Lebanon Mirror Society’s Politics

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Political passions erupted into a brawl this month at St. Joseph's University in Beirut as student council votes were tallied.

By ROBERT F. WORTH
Published: November 13, 2009

BEIRUT, Lebanon — For a brief moment, it looked as if civil war would break out on campus. Two clusters of excited young people faced off as the student election results came in: Hezbollah allies on one side, and right-wing Christian zealots on the other.

“Abu Hadi!” shouted one group in unison, the students pumping their fists furiously in the air as they swore loyalty to Hezbollah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah.

“Hakim!” chanted the other side, using a name for the Christian leader and former warlord Samir Geagea.

The voices grew louder and angrier, and then it began: bottles flying, men throwing punches, women screaming. Once again, St. Joseph University — one of Lebanon’s best and oldest schools — had become a reflection in miniature of the country’s fiercely divided political scene.

Student council elections in Lebanon have long been almost as tense as the real elections in Parliament. The results are seen as crucial indexes of a party’s overall popularity and routinely make the front pages of national newspapers. University administrators have struggled to ban the parties and put the focus on academic issues, with little success.

“It means a lot; it’s my cause,” said Jenny Tohme, 21, a law student at St. Joseph who supports Michel Aoun, the Christian leader allied with Hezbollah. “If you live here, you have to be committed to a party, because unfortunately there is no place for independent people in Lebanon.”

Some hopeful commentators have suggested in recent years that a silent majority of young people across the Arab world are fed up with the cults of personality and sectarian agendas that have long dominated politics here. But there is little sign of that on Lebanese campuses.

In part, this is because the parties put tremendous energy into recruiting the young, paying for workshops and social events, and nurturing youths as future leaders. But Lebanon’s campuses are not merely passive reflections of the adult political scene. Like their counterparts in Europe, they have sometimes served as political laboratories, where ideas and trends circulate before spreading to the wider world.

This was true in the 1960s and ’70s at the American University of Beirut, Lebanon’s largest and best-known campus, where support flourished for the Palestinians and various leftist causes and parties.

It was also true during the 1990s, when universities provided a sanctuary for anti-Syrian activism that was impossible elsewhere. The broader popular movement to free Lebanon from Syrian control — which reached its peak in the vast Beirut demonstrations of early spring 2005, and effectively forced the Syrians to withdraw — originated in part among students.

“At times student movements have shaped, even led, the direction of elite politics,” said Elinor Bray-Collins, who wrote a Ph.D. dissertation at the University of Toronto on Lebanese student movements. “But the autonomy student politics sometimes acquires is short-lived; the adults take over, and it gets swept back into the same sectarian logic.”

Lebanon’s divisions are no longer as linear as they once were. The Shiites of Hezbollah now have Christian allies, as do the Sunnis on the other side. But the loyalties often seem as unthinkingly partisan as ever, both in Parliament and on campus.

“The students are all brainwashed,” said Fuad Obeid, 19, a law student at St. Joseph, as he stood discontentedly watching fellow students vote on delegates last week. “There isn’t even any political or economic substance, no plan for the country. The only thing they can bring us to is blood.”

Last year was a low point, with tensions so high that one major university canceled its student elections altogether. At St. Joseph, fights broke out after the party of Mr. Aoun won by one vote, and several students were expelled. Afterward, Aounist students ran riot in the streets of East Beirut’s Christian areas, chanting slogans, honking their car horns and carrying the giant orange flags of their party.

This year, it was the administrators who offered new ideas. St. Joseph changed to a system of proportional representation in the student elections, in an effort to calm things down and better represent a diversity of opinion. Civic-minded reformers have been urging the same idea for Parliament for years, for the same reason. Some newspapers praised the move, noting sadly that the university had achieved what the country could not.

“We faced two choices: to suppress the elections, or try to guide the tensions, to create a path that favors dialogue,” said Henri Awit, the vice dean of student affairs at St. Joseph. “What matters most is that both sides recognize the importance of independent voices.”

The change served its purpose in part. Both sides claimed victory after the Nov. 3 vote because the new system made it harder to tally vote totals. But many say the intense partisan atmosphere has not really changed.

“Politics is the bread of the people in this country,” said Samir Ashi, the director of the youth outreach sector of the Future Movement, the party of the new prime minister, Saad Hariri. “Even elementary school children get into fights over politics.”

Like every major Lebanese political party, the Future Movement runs an elaborate effort to engage young people, Mr. Ashi said, with a 30-member youth steering committee, five fully staffed offices and 500 members of campus youth committees.

By the time first-year students arrive on campus, the parties already have lists identifying them and their religious backgrounds, said Layal Yacoub, a 19-year-old law student at St. Joseph. “They surround you, help you, give you advice,” she said. “Sometimes they help with scholarships.”

Officially, the parties are not allowed any presence on campus, and the elections are supposed to be run on academic issues like whether students’ grades should be publicly posted, Ms. Yacoub said. But that is just a fig leaf. Everyone knows who stands with which party. And the independent students who run with known party figures are called “kamikazes,” because they cannot win.

“I am voting for someone because I think he’s competent,” Ms. Yacoub said, adjusting her glasses. “There are people here who have political views, but who think the university should be a place for academic issues only.”

But she added resignedly: “It always turns into a political fight. You just can’t get rid of it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/world/middleeast/14lebanon.html

and who the heck are you ? mahmoud abbas or isma3il haniye ? when i talk to you or when i say the word alisaleh in my posts then you can reply but when i am saying anything else you better not stick your nose, and if you think by attacking me on the personal level you're scoring points on me, i'm afraid you're wrong coz i can do just the same, yet i wont go to this level at least not yet ..

and who the heck are you ? mahmoud abbas or isma3il haniye ? when i talk to you or when i say the word alisaleh in my posts then you can reply but when i am saying anything else you better not stick your nose, and if you think by attacking me on the personal level you're scoring points on me, i'm afraid you're wrong coz i can do just the same, yet i wont go to this level at least not yet ..


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F.U.N.N.Y ...

yea funny how you have the nerves to....u now what, let me keep my comments to myself because somebody obviously woke up on the wrong side of the bed today

you'll do both of us a favor

shwayit taghyir jaw 3al sobo7 :D
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hahahahahhaa ya allah this man is a joke
DAhhRSeWCeI

The others outright do not like me, mainly because I am apparently a bad kid... I fit the "sinful and slutty" lebanese wayy they seem to think exists hahaha.

Weird.. That's always been the main reason as to why i like the Lebanese..!!

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Hehe, kidding :cheers:

and who the heck are you ? mahmoud abbas or isma3il haniye ? when i talk to you or when i say the word alisaleh in my posts then you can reply but when i am saying anything else you better not stick your nose, and if you think by attacking me on the personal level you're scoring points on me, i'm afraid you're wrong coz i can do just the same, yet i wont go to this level at least not yet .. :lol::lol::lol:

u know ali this whole forum is a game. and to earn points you have to successfully diss people.

:banana: no war will happen soon, Israel is afraid of us.

Israel Jolted by Hezbollah’s Intelligence “Infiltration"

A wave of stormy questions has been on the rise within Israeli security and military apparatuses after Yedioth Aharonoth unveiled a document demonstrating the level of Hezbollah’s knowledge of Israeli activities, deployments and tactics in northern occupied Palestine.

The widely read Israeli paper revealed that Hezbollah knows just about every detail concerning Israel’s military, particularly the 91st brigade in the north.

Perhaps the most pressing concern for the Israeli command is that Hezbollah might have been able to infiltrate sensitive security services thus acquiring top secret documents and data.

“Israeli experts and retired servicemen who served in the north have said that the data gathered by Hezbollah by means of the document was highly sensitive and that part of it had been cloned by Hezbollah from secret documents belonging to the 91st brigade. They detail the nature of the Israeli army’s deployment in the north. Those who see the documents know that they have been copied page by page from the original top secret documents. Hezbollah might have gathered the data by means of spies or by infiltrating into the Israeli side to take pictures,” Ronen Bergman, an Israeli expert in intelligence affairs told Israeli television Thursday.

Yedioth said that the 150-page document “shows to what extent Hezbollah intelligence succeeded in penetrating into the Israeli army, and proves that Hezbollah has enough sources of information," even about Israeli military naval and aerial activities, including drones.

“There is no doubt that Hezbollah knows the weapons used in every Jeep of every patrol. They even know the diameter of every mortar in the Jeep and the time of every patrol, including the documents that are usually sent from the division chief to the brigade chief. In fact they have information that cannot be seen through binoculars, so how did they get it?” an Israeli Channel 10 commentator asked.

The former head of Israel’s National Security Giyora Eiland admitted – after Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah’s speech on Wednesday – that Israel will undoubtedly fail in any coming war. He added that the outcome will not be different than that of the 2006 war ‘because Israel and Hezbollah’s capabilities have improved in parallel.

“Should the Third Lebanon War erupts tomorrow, it will not be different than the Second Lebanon War despite of all the improvement in the army. Israel cannot win over an organization that possesses thousands of missiles on the other side of the border. If we want to win, the war should instead be waged against the Lebanese government and its infrastructures of which Hezbollah has become part of,” Eiland told Israeli television.

Sayyed Nasrallah warned Israel on Wednesday that there was no point in occupied Palestine that the rockets of the resistance cannot reach. His eminence also vowed to crush any Israeli force that sets foot on Lebanese soil, regardless of its size and equipment.

On Tuesday, Israeli occupation army Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi warned that Hezbollah is currently armed with thousands of missiles, some of which could reach the southern city of Dimona, Tel Aviv and other major cities in occupied Palestine.
"Some of them have a range of 300 km and some of them have a range of up to 325 km," Ashkenazi said, adding that the missiles were ready for use.

In his speech, Sayyed Nasrallah also tackled “the beautiful yet poisonous fish” which the Israelis have recently named “Nasrallah”. According to the Israeli media, this has also been a concern for the Israeli command.
“Nasrallah reads all our journals, reads all the details and memorizes them. We can say that he is the sole Arab leader who is aware of what is taking place in Israel. His approach was very precise when he spoke about the poisonous fish and, in fact, he took advantage of it in the media to say that Hezbollah bites and wins and therefore, this image fits Hezbollah,” Tseva Yehezkeli, an Israeli expert in Arab affairs, told Israeli television.


Hasan Hijazi contributed to this report

you'll do both of us a favor


I judged you by your narrow mindedness
what the hell are you going to judge me by? MY POLITICAL AFFILIATION

you dont see me saying "oh look at these jews, they are praying...disgusting"

Go double read what you said before you even have the nerve to confront me in such a way after what you said

STICK MY NOSE???? Oh, bi3tizir, I forgot since I am not Palestinian, I have no right to defend them from racist comments which have no foundation whatsoever

^^ ok,so now u missed his whole point and remembered disgusting ? :crazy:

^^remembered disgusting ? :crazy:

Come again???

^^ Well,what he meant clearly is making fun of those so-called Lebanese,who prefer to live in wars for the sake of palestinians. and on top of that to be enemies with other Lebanese for the same reason.

look i really didnt read the rest of the posts around here, the first one was enough to show me where he stands in general

^^ Lol,Typical!!!

why don't u answer the question?let me see what do u think about what i wrote in my previous post.

lol My 2 cats have better fights then these.

Ya Hassoun, ya 7abeebi, leave me alone, I am not trying to pick a fight around here

Do you want me to apoligize for standing up against racism? What Leb10452km said is wrong, nomatter what political affiliation he is with, March 14 or March 8

You should put this into consideration, because you become very defensive when someone says something against your March 14 buddies.

Maybe you should be the better man and condemn what he said. I will not read the posts, because I find no interest in them. To me, it sounds like the rest of the posts were attempts to justify what he said. I am indifferent about those posts

Leb10452 posted a link to where it shows Palestinians making Tabouleh and basically condemned them and their acts (of cooking :O)! And for the love of this world, how was it a disorganized attempt? They look happy!

There is nothing more to it, there is no other way for me or anyone to analyze this. Done, Finito, Terminamos, Khalas Ba2a

(P.S: I don't like the way you are using the word Typical, I am not bashing you, nor I am even directing this "argument" towards you)

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u know ali this whole forum is a game. and to earn points you have to successfully diss people.

And the only way for you to get an infracture is for you to be aligned with March 8 or hold a different opinion than that of the moderator.

I actually suspect that the few times when a March 14 user gets an infracture, Beiruti sends them a letter of apology and an explanation of what they did wrong ;)

do you think i care for your POLITICAL AFFILIATION ?? or for what you think about the jews ??

i know what i said and i don't need to double read what i said, neither do i need to confront you, if you don't like what i said, it's your business, if you wanna condemn it, be my guest you wont hurt my feelings whatsoever, but when you're gonna call me sick, don't expect me to applause you and consider that you're just expressing your mind. when i offend you on a personal level, you may do the same, but when you get offended over an issue such as this one, you have absolutely no right to attack me , you may attack what i said all you like, i don't care.

Racist remarks offend everyone.. It is a personal attack on anyone with principles -weather directed towards Jews or Palestinians

Germany occupied France during WWII. Today they represent the great European Axis.

I know the situation is different here, but what you are talking about happened more than 30 years ago.


I know you're only 17, but 30 years ago isn't that long at all! besides The Germans have adapted and moved on to be a better society learning from its past mistakes! I can't say the same about the Lebanese or the Palestinians.

Racist remarks offend everyone.. It is a personal attack on anyone with principles -weather directed towards Jews or Palestinians

agreed!

Rabih, i said a racist statement, and i see you condemning it without having to attack me personally, i admit that i got a bit carried away and i shouldn't of said what i said, so if the rest of the members did the same as you did, they would of only made me feel guiltier, yet tryina be all pro-palestinian and they wanna turn the hell out on me would only make me more stubborn and more into replying in the same inappropriate way .

well those who are attacking you and calling you racist would have applauded you if you said something like "Jewish pigs deserve to die"..

It's all relevant buddy.. just try to keep an open mind!

I think everyone needs a break.

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