You guys sound like this guy :lol:

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wow 5,000 posts.

We should have the animals undergo a referendum on who wants to be Syrian and who wants to be Lebanese... We would end up with all the intelligent ones... The animals from Homs wanted to chose Lebanon, but they got confused and headed east...Chuckles... Just kidding to all Syrians reading this :p

hey man .. that's racist

Mt. Lebanon Prosecutor Charges 12 in Mob Lynching of Msallem

Twelve people were charged on Wednesday for the mob lynching of an Egyptian murder suspect in the Mount Lebanon town of Ketermaya.
The prosecutor in Mount Lebanon charged eight detainees and four fugitives with "beating, stabbing and lynching" Mohammed Msallem in Ketermaya, southeast of the capital Beirut, on April 29.

No further details were given on the defendants, except that they were all from Ketermaya, nor on when the trial would begin.

Msallem, 38, was the prime suspect in the deadly stabbing of an elderly couple and their two granddaughters, aged seven and nine, in Ketermaya.

He was dragged from a police car by an angry mob as he was being driven through the village for a re-enactment of the crime to which he had confessed, according to authorities.

He was then stabbed and beaten to death before being stripped to his underpants and strung up on an electricity pole with a butcher's hook through his chin.(AFP)





Beirut, 19 May 10, 21:49

OMG who saw the pictures of the lynching? of the dead corpse I mean. It is terrifying, only in Lebanon do people take HD photographs of dead people...

Mt. Lebanon Prosecutor Charges 12 in Mob Lynching of Msallem

Twelve people were charged on Wednesday for the mob lynching of an Egyptian murder suspect in the Mount Lebanon town of Ketermaya.
The prosecutor in Mount Lebanon charged eight detainees and four fugitives with "beating, stabbing and lynching" Mohammed Msallem in Ketermaya, southeast of the capital Beirut, on April 29.

No further details were given on the defendants, except that they were all from Ketermaya, nor on when the trial would begin.

Msallem, 38, was the prime suspect in the deadly stabbing of an elderly couple and their two granddaughters, aged seven and nine, in Ketermaya.

He was dragged from a police car by an angry mob as he was being driven through the village for a re-enactment of the crime to which he had confessed, according to authorities.

He was then stabbed and beaten to death before being stripped to his underpants and strung up on an electricity pole with a butcher's hook through his chin.(AFP)





Beirut, 19 May 10, 21:49

^^

Good news.

hey man .. that's racist

Oh common! It was a Homsi Joke! Like you never told a mean one!! Actually it was a joke about homsi animals! Not even people! :nuts: And I appologized to the Syrians reading it in advance! But maybe you're right... Maybe I shouldn't generalize, then again we must be stupider for letting them occupy us for so long....

:ohno:Apparently nasrallah is inaugurating the website tomorrow or something....... I am in total shock, the fact that the website's name also goes by Jihad not to mention the tours as well. I am all for tourism, and this type of tourism can be educational and interesting...but wtf? Jihad? Handling weapons? War trivia? WTF!

I am actually really upset over this

'Jihadist tourism' in Hezbollahland

Published Date: May 19, 2010
MAROUN EL-RASS: Ten years after Israel pulled out, south Lebanon is solidly controlled by Hezbollah which is even organizing "jihadist tours" along one of the tensed borders in the Middle East. About 500 young men and woman, both Christian and Muslim, took part at the weekend in the latest such field trip intended to garner support for the militant group which is considered one of Israel's fiercest enemies.

We want to familiarize young people with the achievements of the resistance and show them how unjust the Israeli occupation was and how glorious the liberation by the Islamic resistance," said Mohammed Taleb, 23, a Hezbollah militant who is studying environmental science. The tour took place just days before May 25, which marks the withdrawal of Israeli troops from southern Lebanon following a 22-year occupation.

It also comes amid Israeli charges that Hezbollah, which fought a devastating war with the Jewish state in 2006, was stockpiling sophisticated weapons in preparation for a new conflict. Sunday's field trip included a workshop on how to handle weapons, close contact with Hezbollah fighters who spoke of their exploits in the face of the "enemy" (Israel) and a reenactment of battles at the border village of Maroun El-Rass, where some of the fiercest fighting took place during the 2006 war.

Every year, we organize a different program," said Taleb, who spoke fluent French and, like the other 30 or so tour guides accompanying the group, sported a vest emblazoned: "Love of the South." He said the 2008 and 2009 tours included a visit to the infamous prison of Khiam, where Lebanese prisoners where held and interrogated during the Israeli occupation.

Also on the "jihadist tour" is a stop at Beaufort Castle, which was a garrison headquarters and the nerve centre of Israel's occupation. Most of those taking part in the latest tour had never set foot in the south and were astonished to see Israel up close. Many young women sported tank tops, tight jeans and even high heels for the outing in the mainly Shiite region.

It is overwhelming to be here," said Rim, 19, a pharmaceutical student. "You feel invincible and you feel ready to sacrifice yourself for your country." On board the 11 buses transporting the students, the atmosphere was playful, with much singing and joking.

A more somber mood took over, however, when a documentary was aired on Hezbollah's military might and its so-called "divine victory" over the Jewish state in the 2006 conflict. During a question and answer session, Taleb and several other militants quizzed students on their knowledge of the resistance movement. "What is the name of the first Hezbollah martyr? ... What airport did Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah vow to bomb in the event of another war?" were among the questions.

The highlight of the trip was a visit to what the militants said was a key fighting position for Hezbollah near the Iqlim Al-Touffah region. After a steep climb of nearly four kilometers, the group was met by two rows of Hezbollah fighters with blackened faces and armed with machine-guns. In the background blared a speech by Nasrallah boasting that his party had more than 20,000 rockets ready for the next battle with Israel.

His voice was accompanied by the sound of heavy machine-gun fire. "They have won me over," said Lama, 21, a business student. "I learned a lot of interesting things about the south and Hezbollah's weapons. "It's cool." A French student, one of the rare foreigners on the trip, couldn't get over the show. "This is surreal, it's like Disneyland," he said, refusing to be identified. "I never expected to see this." - AFP

1- Good call on putting this in the EAYOR
2- I am not against people understanding the achievements of the resistance. But Any unease I have is over my concern for Hezbollah in its clear attempts to garner support for its extra governmental activities. I think I would support this if:

a) This was a government sponsored effort, organized with history classes and programs of schools.(Since the modern day curriculum of lebanon's history seems avoiding any analysis of conflicts we have had in the past 70 or so years.)
b) Why Jihadist? Why are these achievements the single sacrifice of Hezbollah, when I think everyone sacrifices when at war. These were Lebanese wars and not simply Hezbollah's.

c)The term Jihadist is very much tied to one religion, I wish they would use better language, that automatically wont alienate them internally, and won't black list them internationally.

3- Why are the only 2 forumers living in Ontario Canada still awake at 3am toronto time ??!? lol

I am on level with you to my opinion about it, you are just that much more articulate than I when posting hahaha. My use of WTFs may not give my entire feeling towards it lol.
I just know this tour is going to be very subjective in content, and you are right.. a complete glorifying orgy. I was initially interested in actually going on it, for the historical value it will once receive but after seeing programs and whats offered, I will pass...


So true... why are we awake? I know you are semi-nocturnal.. I used to be, but recently I have been going to bed at normal times.
Plus.. I am watching Emperors new groove (dont judge, its amazing) and its keeping me wired lol

Cross what I said before....... These tours should definitely be called "Jihadist glory orgy tours"

My sleeping pattern is f'd up, I have not eased out from uni life properly and still suffering the consequences.

The emperors new groove?...... sorry judgment already passed. I am giving you the dirties look known to man :P ..... Kidding I love the emperor's new groove one of the better Disney movies in the past 10 years of Disney puree crap. Nothing beats the pre 2000 Disney movies, the kids these days don't know what they are missing out. This is not a childhood.

Couldnt they have figured out a more suitable name? Naming it "the Jihadist tour" is a bit repulsive, especially for foreigners.

This sounds very interesting though, I wouldnt mind going on that tour.


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TO GO WITH AFP STORY BY RANA MOUSSAOUI A Lebanese Hezbollah militant speaks to students on a 'Jihadist tour' in the area of Iqlim al-Touffah in southern Lebanon on May 16, 2010. Ten years after the withdrawal of Israeli troops from southern Lebanon, the region is solidly under the control of Hezbollah which even organises 'jihadist tours' in villages once occupied by the Jewish state. AFP

He is talking live right now on Al Manar.. I was watching it but I got bored so I am writing here....

Anyways, from what they showed, the place is beautiful! The building and walkways overlooking the touristic sites and information podiums is actually amazing looking! However, my issue still lies with the name.. and the fact he said in his speech this is not Lebanon's history, but the Resistance's history. He also said everyone in Lebanon has their own version of our modern history (true) and that this "jihad tour" will show the true history of the resistance with no subjectiveness, and only straight facts (don't know how true...)

And lebnani.. is it weird I have a crush on Yzma? lol

What kind of tourists visit Lebanon in order to go on a jihadist tour? I would think that Lebanon has nicer (more interesting) things to see and to do.

The reason i have a problem with the "Jihad" name, is becuase foerigners do not know what this term truly means, thanks to the taliban, and al quada.

They believe it means to blow things up in the name of god. This is far from the truth. Jihad means defensive and only defensive warfare, against occupiers or tyrants.

Thats why they should of chose a more secular name that does not raise red flags in foerigner's heads.

I know what it fully means.. and am no foreigner but it still raised flag's in my mind. The name is not suitable whatsoever... what no one could come up with a name that could incorporate resistance + liberation maybe?

What kind of tourists visit Lebanon in order to go on a jihadist tour? I would think that Lebanon has nicer (more interesting) things to see and to do.

People who are in to war? and war like themes? There are millions of people I bet

Also, its not that much of an out of the way thing for a tourist to do. We are a small country, I am sure some tourists wouldn't mind touring the south and learning some history about occupation etc etc

I myself would like to go so long as: 1) Information discussed is objective and 2) I don't have to see any post 2000 stuff.. Pre 2000 stuff I am interested in regarding the resistance, its the post 2000 that I would never want to see "glorified"

http://www.zimbio.com/watch/uDHprivhoDo/Jihadist+tourism+south+Lebanon+Hezbollahland/AFP+TV+World

Pictures of Hezbollahs new 'tourist complex' i southern Lebanon.

The question remains:
Is this an investment in propaganda or lebanese culture?





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A general view shows Hezbollah's 'Tourist Complex' in Mlita in southern Lebanon on May 21, 2010

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Visitors walk past the wreckage of an Israeli tank at Hezbollah's 'Tourist Complex' in Mlita in southern Lebanon on May 21, 2010

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Empty bullet casings lie around a tombstone bearing the Star of David at Hezbollah's 'Tourist Complex' in Mlita in southern Lebanon on May 21, 2010.

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Lebanese boys walk past weapons left behind in Lebanon by Israeli forces and displayed at Hezbollah's 'Tourist Complex'

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The helmets of Israeli soldiers killed in fighting with Hezbollah militants are displayed next to a tombstone bearing the Star of David at Hezbollah's 'Tourist Complex' .

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A picture of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah hangs on the wall of an underground field operations room at Hezbollah's 'Tourist Complex'

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A anti-aircraft machine gun is displayed at Hezbollah's 'Tourist Complex'

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Jewish-American scholar and activist Noam Chomsky (L) arrives to the inauguaration ceremony of Hezbollah's 'Tourist Complex' as Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah delivers a televised speech in Mlita in southern Lebanon

^^ I cant see all of them!

That's odd. Maybe they dont show up in your country. I tried with a US proxy and many didnt show up and I also tried with a german one and all of them did show up. :dunno:

Well well...

The pictures can be found here:

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&p=lebanon&assetType=image

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Little in store for Hariri in Washington

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Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri’s visit to the United States, where, on Monday, he will meet President Barak Obama, will in all probability turn out to be a non-event. Apart from the photo op, the two men will probably issue redundant statements: Obama on Washington’s support of Lebanon, Hariri on peace for Palestinians and Lebanon’s right of self-defense against Israel.

The Hariri camp will highlight the fact that this is the first time Hariri goes to Washington, where he will meet with Obama in the Oval Office. He will also preside over the Security Council in New York, a ceremonial honor conferred upon only a very few of Lebanon’s statesmen.

His opponents – mainly pro-Iran and Syria politicians and pundits – will reiterate their demands that Hariri, like President Michel Sleiman when he visited Washington last year, stay away from the United States. If anyone is to engage Washington, they say, it should be Tehran. If any other country is to befriend America, it should be Syria.

Lebanon has no nuclear issues to resolve with the US, Lebanon has no role in Arab peace talks with Israel (Syria handles these on Lebanon’s behalf) and even when it sits on the Security Council, Lebanon is expected to abide by Syrian and Iranian diktats as part of the Syrian-Saudi reconciliation. So if Iran talks to America, and Syria negotiates with Israel, what is Lebanon good for? The answer, according to Tehran, Damascus and their Lebanese protégés, is war.

And since Hariri is prohibited from talking peace like the Iranians or the Syrians, and since he is – like his father before him – a man opposed to war, then his visit will count for little.

The historic value of Hariri’s meeting with Barak Obama is proportional to the sovereignty that Hariri can practice in Beirut. The more Hariri can govern, the more his meeting with the world’s most-influential president wins significance. But can Hariri really lead Lebanon? The answer is no. Even though his coalition won parliamentary elections in 2009, he was unable to form a cabinet until he conceded to the Hezbollah-led March 8 opposition bloc.

Since then, Hezbollah’s iron grip on Lebanon has not allowed Hariri to practice any significant form of governance. Whether it is passing the budget or fixing the endless potholes in Lebanese roads, Hariri has been obstructed.

In fact, so weakened has he become that he can hardly do anything without being constantly attacked by the supporters of Syria in Lebanon, an offensive that started when his father first came to power in the early 1990s.

A weakened Hariri was forced to compromise. So much so that he had to visit half a dozen Middle Eastern capitals before making his trip to Washington.

The inconsequentiality of the Hariri trip to Washington is not the work of the United States. It is rather the making of the relentless offensive by his Syrian and Iranian-backed opponents in Lebanon.

Since May 2008, Hariri and his allies, formerly known as March 14, have used a policy of concessions, hoping that by doing so Damascus and Tehran would save them a shred of self-autonomy in Lebanon. What March 14 didn’t realize was that their rivals have never been interested in a compromise. Iran and Syria’s allies in Lebanon want total control of the country, and they feel they can get what they want.

In Washington, it is no secret that Obama has never been genuinely interested in Lebanon or its affairs. American support for Lebanese democracy and full sovereignty is one thing; going the extra yard to see it happen is another.

But while Obama – now emerging as a president who is restoring his country’s superpower reputation – is not interested in Lebanon, he certainly values its friendship and does not mind offering Lebanon support, provided there is someone in Beirut to receive such backing.

But in Beirut, there is Hezbollah, which has found a profitable business in keeping Lebanon on the edge, often in the interest of its regional patrons. The party also forced Hariri and his allies, at gunpoint, to relinquish their right to govern.

The vision that Tehran and Damascus have for the role Hariri plays has been outlined by Hezbollah’s Hassan Nasrallah: Iran, Syria and Hezbollah handle matters of foreign policy and defense, while Hariri, like his father, sticks to construction. Even authority over construction will not be granted to Hariri unless he openly denounces the Special Tribunal for Lebanon and UN Resolution 1559, a blueprint that even former March 14 leader Walid Jumblatt has cheerfully endorsed.

This means that when Hariri meets Obama, there might be nothing extraordinary for journalists to report. The visit, like that of Sleiman before him, will prove to be nothing more than a ceremonial function, something that is increasingly becoming a staple of the Lebanese state.

I love the design of the resistance museum,really nice,and it will attract more tourists to the area,although i am not really totally with the idea of using this by hizbullah and iran.

Martyr what is your source for that poor article. It is bashing Hezbollah for " brainwashing Hariri" It is littered with editorial errors. Just because Hariri is denouncing Israeli actions and justifying Lebanese Resistance does not mean he is being controlled by anyone. It sounds like a poor attempt to compose anything worth a crap.

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eh bas u understood it wrong, its not saying that hizbolla is forcing hariri to denounce isreal... on the contrary, it is saying that that is hariri's personal point of view...
what the article is saying is that hizbola and the rest of the pro-syrian parties in lebanon are attacking hariri constantly in such a way that they weakened him or paralyzed him almost completely thus showing the international community that hariri is incompetent to be ruling in lebanon and that he is not suitable for governing.... which causes hariri's position infront of international leaders to weaken thus rendering all of what he has to say to these leaders (and in this case Obama) un-infleuntial and meaningless since he is not the one in charge back home !!!!
So to sum it all up, A "strong Hariri" inside Lebanon facilitates negotiaiting with the capitals abroad thus allowing Lebanon to gain from these talks, retreive its rights, protect itself from isreal, and participate in the Peace Process !!!!

which reminds of a saying that PM Siniora used to say: "It's time that we stop being a subject discussed on the table, and reclaim a seat on that table"

Lebanon PM slams Israel defence drill



CAIRO, May 22, 2010 (AFP) - Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri on Saturday lashed out at Israel's defence exercises and said they ran counter to current Middle East peace efforts.

"Israel has to go to the negotiating table in order to achieve peace. To launch military exercises at such a time runs counter to peace efforts," Hariri told reporters in Cairo after a meeting with Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak.

"How can you launch peace negotiations with the Palestinians while holding military manoeuvres?" asked Hariri, who is to travel to Washington on Sunday for his first visit as premier.

Israel's annual week-long civil defence exercises, which start on Sunday, are designed to prepare emergency responses to rocket strikes on Israel.

Israeli Deputy Defence Minister Matan Vilnai has stressed that the exercises were planned long in advance and had no bearing on the Jewish state's present relations with its northern neighbours, Lebanon and Syria.

As in previous years, Israel has made contact through intermediaries with its neighbours, notably Syria, to reassure them of its non-belligerent intentions, he said.

But on Friday, Lebanon's Hezbollah mobilised thousands of militants in southern Lebanon in response to the exercises, said an official from the Shiite militia group which is backed by Damascus and Tehran.

Israel and Hezbollah fought a month-long war in 2006 that destroyed much of southern Lebanon, largely a Hezbollah stronghold. It estimates Hezbollah has since stockpiled more than 40,000 rockets.

And last month, Israeli President Shimon Peres accused Syria of providing Scud missiles to Hezbollah, charges that Damascus has denied.

I think the museum is actually a great idea because of the number of tourists it will generate. There are alot of Military/ War fanatics that would love this kind of stuff and would probably come to Lebanon to see this. Its a unique experience becuase there are actually fighters at the museum and the stuff showcased isn't from 50 years ago but from only a few years ago.

^^ i'm thinking of visiting the museum when i finish my exams !! :)

wow cool pictures of the Hezbollah museum!

Nice that they have people in outfit demonstration how it works and that can tell their experiences, I would like to visit it! Do they have an official website? It's in maroun ar-ras?



Btw, Israel is getting nervous? Hopefully syria and lebanon (and also the LAF will fight hopefully!) also do their own counter preparations for more than just anti-tank warfare. But also snipers to hit israeli infantry.

Published 01:35 21.05.10 Latest update 01:35 21.05.10 From Gaza to Golan, IDF soldiers train for war
The exact shape of the next confrontation in the north remains unclear, but few in the Israel Defense Forces believe we're likely to see tanks clashing in the Golan Heights.
By Anshel Pfeffer The voice of first lieutenant Tal Elkobi carrying over the platoon radio broke the tension. It was the first time the young company commander was leading 11 tanks in a full-flung military exercise in the Golan Heights. An IDF soldier participates in a drill in the Golan Heights, May 2010

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At the end of the day, the top brass overseeing the exercise were pleased. The targets had been destroyed, the cooperation with forces from the other units went smoothly and the soldiers were able to grab a few hours' sleep.

"I make them work very hard," said battalion commander Lt. Col. Haggai Amar, whose battalion is spending 13 packed weeks of training in the Golan. "Everything we do here is something we'll obviously have to do in a war, wherever we're sent to fight. We'll have to move at night, we'll have to carry gas masks and we'll run into anti-tank fire. I have to take them to the extreme during training exercises."

Before the Second Lebanon War, such trainings series - from the platoon to the company to the battalion to brigade-wide exercise - was a mere fantasy for most commanders. Today it's nearly routine. The commanders are competing to see who can make the training more realistic and demanding for himself and his troops, while being careful not to imply any connection between the long-planned exercises and the tense atmosphere on the northern border more recently.

The exact shape of the next confrontation in the north remains unclear, but few in the Israel Defense Forces believe we're likely to see tanks clashing in the Golan Heights. During the last decade, the bulk of Syrian military investment went into missiles - both anti-tank and accurate, limited range and surface-to-surface - and a confrontation with Hezbollah will also include missile barrages from Lebanon against the Israeli rear.

Nevertheless, neither party has neglected to prepare for ground combat. Hezbollah tries not to carry out openly military activities in the border area, and in all of south Lebanon for that matter, but reports of heightened activities have recently spiked. A former intelligence officer told Haaretz that lately he and other Galilee farmers have seen plainclothes Hezbollah personnel traveling along the border and photographing Israeli positions.

They are sometimes accompanied by individuals who do not appear to be Lebanese, as well as interpreters, who appear to be Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers and who have by now integrated into every command level in Hezbollah.

The IDF, on the other hand, is training to prepare for a number of scenarios to curb the Hezbollah missile threat. At the end of the day, it seems the Israel Air Force will take most of the responsibility.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/from-gaza-to-golan-idf-soldiers-train-for-war-1.291352

^^ hey man....

they are very scared becuase now there is a balance of terror. That is why we are guaranteed that there is no war for a long time. Israel is not in a position to start a war, becuase if they attack our infrastructure there's will be hit, they attack Dahiyeh or Beirut, we will strike occupied Jaffa etc..........

Hezbollah has more than anti-tank, they now have anti-aircraft that will shoot down any aircraft that enters Lebanese territory. They can now destroy Israeli air bases in occupied Palestine, and Israeli army bases in occupied Palestine. Or any place in occupied Palestine. That is why you are now seeing those drills. Israel is no longer a bully to Lebanon. The equation is very balanced, that is what will prevent a war. :)

6:43pm : Voter turnout has reached 49% in Sidon, 49% in Sidon's villages, 39% in Jezzine's villages, 59% in Jezzine, 43% in Tyre and 43% in Hasbia as the average voter turnout in all southern areas has reached 43 percent

Interior minister issued in his press conference the new numbers for the turnout: 56% in saida, 56% in Saida's Villages, Jezzine 52%, bint Jbeil 45.5%, Tyre 52%, Marjeyoun 48%, Hasbaya 55%, Nabatiye 52%

^^ shou?? we both have different numbers? :nuts:

ur numbers are old... mine were declared by the interior minister in his press conference at 8 o'clock !!!

tayyar.org says that FPM is heading towards a clean sweep in 22 villages in Jezzine and 17 villages in Zahrani (aka Saida Villages)

The ironic thing is, is that this 'museum' is almost inevitably going to get bombed/destroyed in the next war.

I am not criticizing anyone's right to be proud of their 'resistance'; but Hizb's arrogance and the extent of its disrespect for its enemy is dumbfounding. It seems to me that the actually enjoy war and the inevitability loss and destruction that it brings to the Lebanese people. If 'only' 10 or 20 Lebanese were killed in 2006 and 'only' a few buildings were destroyed, then the perception of Hizbullah's 'victory' would have been diminished. That is, it would have been a 'lesser' or a 'less significant' 'victory'. No one would ever dare admit this, but Hizbullah's success is directly correlated to the number of Lebanese that die or become homeless. It's a pretty cynical and disgusting play on peoples' suffering and raw emotions. I hope Nasrallah will grow some cajones and actually lead Lebanon towards peace, security, coexistance, and prosperity, as any real leader would do.

^^ hey man....

they are very scared becuase now there is a balance of terror. That is why we are guaranteed that there is no war for a long time. Israel is not in a position to start a war, becuase if they attack our infrastructure there's will be hit, they attack Dahiyeh or Beirut, we will strike occupied Jaffa etc..........

Hezbollah has more than anti-tank, they now have anti-aircraft that will shoot down any aircraft that enters Lebanese territory. They can now destroy Israeli air bases in occupied Palestine, and Israeli army bases in occupied Palestine. Or any place in occupied Palestine. That is why you are now seeing those drills. Israel is no longer a bully to Lebanon. The equation is very balanced, that is what will prevent a war. :)

Dude, Jaffa's an Arab town. Are you advocating that Hizbullah kill more Arabs/Palestinians? (BTW, in 2006, most of the Israeli civilians who were killed by Hizb were Arabs/Palestinians, many of whom cheered for Hizb).

Also, there's no balance of terror. Do you realize that Bibi only has to press one button to immediately destroy every other Shiite village in South Lebanon? If he were as cruel and inhuman as Nasrallah, he surely would have liquidated southern Lebanon by now. If Nasrallah could get away with it, I am sure he would kill every civilian in Israel (including Palestinians), and many Lebanese civilians too.

NBN just declared that Future Movement won all of the Selective seats in the Saida Elections, and that Mohamed Saudi is getting ready to declare his list's victory !!!

MTV just declared a series of primary results for Jezzine district... 14 March is ahead !!!

Tayyar.org: FPM won all of the selective seats in Jezzine town.... which indicates that their list won the municipality !!

Congratulations to Saida !!!

MP Bahia Hariri just declared that the 14 March-backed "Development and Consensus" list sweeped the Saida Municipal Elections.

:banana: :banana: :banana:

i expect huge projects announced soon for Saida :)

Dude, Jaffa's an Arab town. Are you advocating that Hizbullah kill more Arabs/Palestinians? (BTW, in 2006, most of the Israeli civilians who were killed by Hizb were Arabs/Palestinians, many of whom cheered for Hizb).

Also, there's no balance of terror. Do you realize that Bibi only has to press one button to immediately destroy every other Shiite village in South Lebanon? If he were as cruel and inhuman as Nasrallah, he surely would have liquidated southern Lebanon by now. If Nasrallah could get away with it, I am sure he would kill every civilian in Israel (including Palestinians), and many Lebanese civilians too.

Haram, Chevre is angry because tomorrow when his army of criminals go threw there drills and you are taken to shelters, and whatever else you do, I and thousands of others will celebrating, and dancing to dabke right on Fatima gate.(In fact you should get over there now it's getting pretty crazy)
We will be celebrating and crying for joy. Because for 10 years we have been free from Israeli tyranny and oppression. But how can i be 100 percent happy when in Gaza, people are being stolen their basic rights as human beings, and stripped of happiness, or their pursuit of happiness. Last Night over 10 HUGE boats left to Gaza, with Nobel Peace Prize winners, and tons of basic supplies that are not allowed to go into Gaza. Here is a quick list of whats not allowed.

Baby food
Glass
Paper
Pencil
Diapers
Books
Music
Clothes
AND EVERY OTHER ITEM YOU CAN THINK OF EXCEPT
30 COMMERCIAL ITEMS CONSISTING OF A FEW FRUITS AND VEGETABLES


They will probably be stopped.

As i celebrate i celebrate because if it was not for this Resistance my life, and my family's life would be in absolute treachery.

The ironic thing is, is that this 'museum' is almost inevitably going to get bombed/destroyed in the next war.

I am not criticizing anyone's right to be proud of their 'resistance'; but Hizb's arrogance and the extent of its disrespect for its enemy is dumbfounding. It seems to me that the actually enjoy war and the inevitability loss and destruction that it brings to the Lebanese people. If 'only' 10 or 20 Lebanese were killed in 2006 and 'only' a few buildings were destroyed, then the perception of Hizbullah's 'victory' would have been diminished. That is, it would have been a 'lesser' or a 'less significant' 'victory'. No one would ever dare admit this, but Hizbullah's success is directly correlated to the number of Lebanese that die or become homeless. It's a pretty cynical and disgusting play on peoples' suffering and raw emotions. I hope Nasrallah will grow some cajones and actually lead Lebanon towards peace, security, coexistance, and prosperity, as any real leader would do.

SHUT UP!!!

You are so incredibly ignorant. Go dig a hole and put yourself inside. If it was not for Nasrallah my mom would still be raped by the terrorists in your army. This is incredibly offending to me, and i feel like using every curse word in every language at you right now. You child, Nasrallah already led Southern Lebanon towards towards peace, security, coexistance, and prosperity. Your extreme poor knowledge, and foolishness about the subject is directly derived from your anger that we are not living in a open air prison like the Palestinians are. Open your eyes you child, i have repeated this to you over and over, you have failed to answer over and over.
Remember this:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=404863&page=196


In fact i will not get angry over you. I will enjoy my holiday tomorrow. Why don't you head over to Fatima gate, you can learn some dabke. ;)


Oh and by the way, we know you will bomb the museum, and all of our homes, but we WILL REBUILD. We rebuild 10 times. A example of that persistence is how a guy is building a 4 star hotel on the border. That same persistence is what freed our lands from your hands. ;)

^^I agree with everything u said except for the 'nasrallah LED lebanon'...no one put nasrallah in charge in Lebanon, he just represents a sect in Lebanon and not the entire country. That's all :)

^^ Sorry i had just copied the line he wrote. I understand your argument.

^^ and i really hope you understand this,we in Lebanon,really hate what's happening in Gaza,but i think Gaza has it's own resistance,and it has to do nothing with Lebanon,simply because in Lebanon different faiths and some of them don't feel this religious duty about defending Gaza and Palestine in general,so it's good to keep this to Syrians,Egyptians Jordanians,u name it,but Lebanon is a special case,and this is why this thing has been causing so much internal political instability and tensions,i hope all people understand this,specially people of the south.

Oh and by the way, we know you will bomb the museum, and all of our homes, but we WILL REBUILD. We rebuild 10 times. A example of that persistence is how a guy is building a 4 star hotel on the border. That same persistence is what freed our lands from your hands. ;)

1) You don't live in Lebanon and as I recall, you've spent most of your life (if not all of it) outside of Lebanon. So let's not exaggerate the truth.
2) I will probably be playing ping pong, watching TV, lifting weights, or dancing to music tomorrow in my neighbourhood bomb shelter. We know how to party too! :cheers:
3) I think your mother's alleged rape is a victory for Nasrallah. And it would also be his victory if you lost a member of your family in the context of some skirmish/fight with Israel. How can he claim to be your defender when he stands to benefit the most from your suffering, knowing that your ensuing anger will lead you to further hate Israel, which in turn will place more of your support in Nasrallah as a so-called 'defender' of Lebanon? Defenders actively try to prevent mothers from getting raped, and relatives from getting killed; NOT promote such awful things.

What are you saying you are plunging deeper into the hole you have dug.
Your words are absurd. How can the resistance feed off people's suffering when, they put a end to their suffering. Your words make no sense.

Defenders actively try to prevent mothers from getting raped, and relatives from getting killed; NOT promote such awful things.

WTF; this just keeps getting funnier, and funnier; it looks like you are just looking for excuses to keep this argument going. We did prevent it from happening in 2000, and our continued existence prevents it from happening each and every day. What is your argument man, i am afraid you do not have one. As the only point you maid in your argument, was that Israel's know how to party in bomb shelters.

1) You don't live in Lebanon and as I recall, you've spent most of your life (if not all of it) outside of Lebanon. So let's not exaggerate the truth.
2) I will probably be playing ping pong, watching TV, lifting weights, or dancing to music tomorrow in my neighbourhood bomb shelter. We know how to party too! :cheers:
3) I think your mother's alleged rape is a victory for Nasrallah. And it would also be his victory if you lost a member of your family in the context of some skirmish/fight with Israel. How can he claim to be your defender when he stands to benefit the most from your suffering, knowing that your ensuing anger will lead you to further hate Israel, which in turn will place more of your support in Nasrallah as a so-called 'defender' of Lebanon? Defenders actively try to prevent mothers from getting raped, and relatives from getting killed; NOT promote such awful things.

You are giving Nasrallah way too much credit. Actually he has lost a significant amount of supporters as a result of his actions since 2006. It isnt true that the more Lebanese die the stronger he gets.

You are giving Nasrallah way too much credit. Actually he has lost a significant amount of supporters as a result of his actions since 2006. It isnt true that the more Lebanese die the stronger he gets.


Feel free to live in your own little box of hallucination. Support is only going up.

Do you have some sort of Nasrallah alarm... or like an iPhone app that alerts you... or something.... cuz it seems you only show up when someone mentions his name!? lol.

You are like beetlejuice, we say nasrallah's name 3 times and you show up. Its very convenient.

:lol: that is too funny. Just made my day lebnani

Do you have some sort of Nasrallah alarm... or like an iPhone app that alerts you... or something.... cuz it seems you only show up when someone mentions his name!? lol.

You are like beetlejuice, we say nasrallah's name 3 times and you show up. Its very convenient.

Not really. It's just that the conversation here has been rather dull lately. Thanks for spicing things up. ;)

You are welcome melkart! Nchallah be zeido el do7keit!

Chevere: Are you thanking me or Alisaleh? Cuz if you are thanking ali saleh we should really summon him to the forum.

Nasrallah Nasrallah Nasrallah....... now we wait.

You are welcome melkart! Nchallah be zeido el do7keit!

Chevere: Are you thanking me or Alisaleh? Cuz if you are thanking ali saleh we should really summon him to the forum.

Nasrallah Nasrallah Nasrallah....... now we wait.

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ah.... dude.... that needs a pre-amble or a warning of some sort. My eyes are burning now

Feel free to live in your own little box of hallucination. Support is only going up.

Oh sorry I forgot that election results mean nothing to you.

You coward, only cowards do this. Your country is bunch of cowards. You have no sense to your argument so you insult us. Insult yourself, insult your country of cowards not Nasrallah. You jealous douche bag.

BTW: Happy Liberation to all. :cheers::cheers: Now i will post real pictures of when we liberated our lands from terrorists; that further portray you as a unreferenced coward. Your ignorance makes me sick. Anyways it is a holiday today :cheers:


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Beiruti, you should do something about the photo Chevre posted!

I think the worst part about the photo is not that its attempting to insult nasrallah.. its the fact that dude actually has that body type and shape :S gross...

Beiruti, you should do something about the photo Chevre posted!

Although I dont think it was a severe violation (considering the nature of this thread), I've removed it due to the potential reaction it could spark.

I think it is waaaay more provocative than la swastika.

Anyhow, Hassoun will be speaking at 8:30 Leb time, ya3ne in chi 10 minutes.

I missed it was he in the bathtub. Oh wait I forgot he doesn't shower.

^^ I think we owe the guy respect.. He liberated our land and has principles..unlike many others..

and yes Beiruti it is provocative since he is considered a religious figure.. and this is a tolerant forum afterall.. .

w happy liberation day .. 3a2bel shebaa ;)

Don't u guys have respect!? Enno come on, am not in any way or form with Hizbollah or Nasrallah, but RESPECT...nothing more. This is a Lebanese leader, and although am in the total opposite side, but he has all my respect for what he's done...plus, forget about him, enno shouldn't u have some respect to other LEBANESE forumers that have a different perspective and opinion than yours??!!! This is becoming sick...

Is he actually considered a religious figure? I didn't know that. Can he issue a fatwa then, or does it still have to go through a high figure in the mosque?

He is a Sayyed, so obviously a religious figure.

Bas ma eleh jledto halla2 lol

I believe he is called samahat al sayed and wears the amama for a reason? ... probably the Shiites forumers can answer ?

He is a Sayyed, so obviously a religious figure.

Bas ma eleh jledto halla2 lol

Leb.Fr...kteer salbi enni ba3ref aktar mennak bi hal eshya cuz am not even muslim..LOL...the fact that he is a sayyed have nothing to do with he being a "cleric"...everyone that has a descents from the imam Ali and the prophet is a sayyed by fact. Families like "moussawi", "Nassrallah", "Houssayni", "Safa"...etc are "seyyed" (the plural of sayyed), and a 10 yo kid from those families is in fact a sayyed. (it's like a title that those descendants from the prophet are dubbed with.)

Hassan Nasrallah is a sayyed indeed, but he's a cleric TOO, but the fact that the title "sayyed" is "higher" in importance than "sheikh", u never hear anyone calling him sheikh Hassan...

^^ I think we owe the guy respect.. He liberated our land and has principles..unlike many others..

and yes Beiruti it is provocative since he is considered a religious figure.. and this is a tolerant forum afterall.. .

w happy liberation day .. 3a2bel shebaa ;)

Right we should respect some shmuck who has no respect for state institutions, who is willing to turn his weapons on his own people, Cost the country billions of dollars in damage (by going to war with Israel), puts the interests of syria and Iran ahead of Lebanons. No wonder why the Lebanese are fet up with there country and opt to live somewhere else. people keep supporting these thugs by giving them excuses to remain in power. A religious figure should not be running a party nor should he declare wars. Having said that houwa w sirmayta sawa. :cheers:

As a matter of fact, my family is "seyyed" too hehe

The thing is I am not very interested in these things...are at least didn't have the chance to know about them.

And thanks for the info.

Right we should respect some shmuck who has no respect for state institutions, who is willing to turn his weapons on his own people, Cost the country billions of dollars in damage (by going to war with Israel), puts the interests of syria and Iran ahead of Lebanons. No wonder why the Lebanese are fet up with there country and opt to live somewhere else. people keep supporting these thugs by giving them excuses to remain in power. A religious figure should not be running a party nor should he declare wars. Having said that houwa w sirmayta sawa. :cheers:

yemken law kenet mnel jnoub, w daye3tak t7arraret bi kil ma3na el kelmeh in 2000, w chefet MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS in your day3a w ma 7awaleyha thanks to them, you could have thanked them.
And do not say the Hezb is the reason "people want to leave Lebanon", this is pure nonsense. You'd prefer just to resign and surrender facing israel don't you? Well you know what? This won't happen. Because some people don't just blindly follow the west.

And "houwa w sirmayta sawa". Ktir 3a beleh sebbelak mais d'une facon mich tabe3iyyeh, bas wa7ad metlak ma byestehel zaffer bi 7ekyeteh.

Right we should respect some shmuck who has no respect for state institutions, who is willing to turn his weapons on his own people, Cost the country billions of dollars in damage (by going to war with Israel), puts the interests of syria and Iran ahead of Lebanons. No wonder why the Lebanese are fet up with there country and opt to live somewhere else. people keep supporting these thugs by giving them excuses to remain in power. A religious figure should not be running a party nor should he declare wars. Having said that houwa w sirmayta sawa. :cheers:

I can spend all day bashing him because of what he is today or I can be realistic and ask where were the state institutions when the south was occupied.

For all I know, If you were at his place..you wouldn't give a damn for a state that didn't treat you as its own citizen.

^^ don't waste your time with insults...it's obvious this guy is full of hatred and disrespect towards those who disagree with him...he loves to l**ck israeli a***s and finds all kind of dumb justifications for their sick actions against his own people...he deserves to be ignored, cause one can respectfully disagree with me or you, the same way other forumers do, but still try to keep their manners because at the end of the day we are all lebanese and need to find common grounds to save the country i'm sure we all love in our own way. Obviously he's too far away from the country he says to belong to, and moreover, not only he doesn't give a damn about the deaths of fellow lebanese by israel, but even justifies these killings and puts the entire blame on the movement that was created as a response to a brutal occupation and on those civilians who support them...all i can say is i hope this guy stays far away from our land because he is a real danger to southerners and the rest of lebanese as a whole...many of us have been affected by the cruelty of israel and still try to establish a respectful dialogue with other lebanese and even with israeli forumers who keep coming here to provoke...in my case i am not religious nor i am a blind follower of any group, but i love lebanon,i consider myself a decent person w bra2ye hayda ma fi awsa5 minno...bi kil i7tirami la ilo tab3an...

well that's my opinion...you can disagree of course

Right we should respect some shmuck who has no respect for state institutions, who is willing to turn his weapons on his own people, Cost the country billions of dollars in damage (by going to war with Israel), puts the interests of syria and Iran ahead of Lebanons. No wonder why the Lebanese are fet up with there country and opt to live somewhere else. people keep supporting these thugs by giving them excuses to remain in power. A religious figure should not be running a party nor should he declare wars. Having said that houwa w sirmayta sawa. :cheers:

Melkart, I believe u owe a part of the Lebanese people an apology, what u said was completely unorthodox!!! 3eyb...

NAH I stick with my principles, Nasrallah is a fat ass. and @ azzedi you never ignore me so why should they. regarding all the innocent civilians that died during the war, I have never said they deserved to die. Youy are obviously making things up cause you are a fake. what I said was that Hisballah is mostly responsible. since they hid behind there people and used them as human shields so 3eyb alayk.

^^principles are one thing (as in beliefs or doctrines), and DISRESPECT is another thing! But suit urself...

yemken law kenet mnel jnoub, w daye3tak t7arraret bi kil ma3na el kelmeh in 2000, w chefet MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS in your day3a w ma 7awaleyha thanks to them, you could have thanked them.
And do not say the Hezb is the reason "people want to leave Lebanon", this is pure nonsense. You'd prefer just to resign and surrender facing israel don't you? Well you know what? This won't happen. Because some people don't just blindly follow the west.

And "houwa w sirmayta sawa". Ktir 3a beleh sebbelak mais d'une facon mich tabe3iyyeh, bas wa7ad metlak ma byestehel zaffer bi 7ekyeteh.

It doesn't matter what area I hail from nor does it matter how cruel Israel is. I am not here to discredit any injustices caused by the Israeli state to the people of the Souith. But let's not forget Israel pulled out years ago, and for you guys to justify Hisballa's actions today for what happened years ago is unfound. besides are you telling me that you are willing to support Hisb blindly just cause they bring you services. I understand that The Lebanese governmnet has been absent, but war and chaos was partially to blame. Now is the time to heal and unite and rebuild a future country. Anyway I happen to like you Leb Fr i think you have many talents in so many different ways, but I totally disaprove of your politics.

congratulations guys! On liberation day!

True, true, just like I like your modeling, but not your politics. :P

By the way, I only listened to the last part of Hassoun's speech, and he threatened bombarding any ship coming to israel, from both seas (Mediterranean and red sea) during the "next war" :D

Bta3rfo chou, 5alliyon yi dab7o ba3ed, 7arb aw mich 7arb, ana nezel sayyef bi lebnen :D

I know that politics is a touchy issue in Lebanon, especially with all the sectarian divisions and what not, but I mean it's pretty amazing that some of you don't have any sense of humor whatsoever to laugh at your own leaders. I am sure that many people here who live outside Lebanon in other countries, would have no problem satirizing/laughing at the leaders of their adopted country. I once saw a satire show on LBC that featured puppets, so I figure that making fun of politicans (and weighty issues) in Lebanon isn't something that's verbotten. So what is the reason reason why Lebanese are so obsessed about their politicans?

Unfortunatly because a politician represents a sect as opposed to their deeds or views. so if you insult a politician you are insulting a whole sect. Silly but that's the reality of the situation.

chevre you are right.. we all make fun of our leaders. Even though the leaders are "supposed" to be repping one sect, that isn't always the case when you look at the people themselves.
For instance, Walid Joumblatt is not representing me by any means... granted he runs the primarily druze party, but his political platform is socialist - which I am not:). So I have no problem poking fun at him

I think you misunderstood our reactions, whether we dislike or like nasrallah, he is deemed a leader in lebanon, and (which I didn't know before) a religious figure. We make fun of our leaders, yes, but our religious figures tend to not be satirized.

Nasrallah vows to wipe out Israel’s navy in case of conflict

Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah said in an address given at a ceremony held on the occasion of Liberation Day on Tuesday that Hezbollah will target all Israeli warships and trade ships heading to Israel if Lebanon’s coast was under siege.

“We are capable of targeting and hitting any [Israeli] vessel that heads to any port on the Palestinian shore. We are determined to enter this new field of confrontation should our coastline be put under siege,” Nasrallah said

In February, Nasrallah threatened to strike Tel Aviv’s infrastructure and Ben Gurion International Airport in retaliation against any Israeli attack on Lebanon’s infrastructure.

“The Lebanese are anxious, and we want to reassure [them], but I do not want to reassure Israel,” he added.

The Hezbollah chief also said that Tel Aviv should be scared, adding that “we should have faith that we will win the next war [we face].”

He said that Israel’s claim last month that Syria was supplying Hezbollah with Scud missiles “is meant to raise $250 million [for Israel] given by the US to build a rocket shield system.”

“Israelis are scared of going to war, and it is unlikely that Israel would wage war against Lebanon [anytime soon],” Nasrallah added.

He commented on Israel’s military Turning Point 4 drill, saying that “the Jewish State wants to reassure [its people] and tell them that they are strong and ready to confront any possible war.”

The drills kicked off on Sunday, including a series of alerts as part of field training exercises that are meant to assess Israel’s capacity to handle emergencies.

“Carry out your drills, but when rockets shower the occupied territories, let us see how [your] drills would have benefited you,” Nasrallah said addressing Tel Aviv.

He also said that the Ministerial Statement clause, which stipulates the Lebanese army, people and Resistance are all legitimate means to face the recurrent Israeli threats, “represents the official Lebanese position.”

He added that President Michel Sleiman, who reiterated his commitment to the clause on Monday, expresses the position of the majority of the Lebanese.

This comes after Lebanese Forces leader Samir Geagea said on Tuesday that the president should only express positions backed by all the Lebanese.

Nasrallah gave his blessings to “all Lebanese, Arabs, Muslims and the free people of the world” on the occasion of Liberation Day, which marks the 10th anniversary of Israel’s withdrawal from South Lebanon.

-NOW Lebanon

Unfortunatly because a politician represents a sect as opposed to their deeds or views. so if you insult a politician you are insulting a whole sect. Silly but that's the reality of the situation.

It sounds to me almost like a country that's composed of fiefdoms. You've got one fiefdom led by Aoun, another by Geagea, another by Joumblatt... etc etc... Do you think that most Lebanese can objectively see the problem with this system? And do you think that there is any desire among Lebanese to find a solution to this problem? Do you think that there are any solutions for this?

Why can't Lebanese vote for the leaders of their faction? For instance, could Druze supporters of the Progressive Socialist Party elect (at the voting booth) to replace Walid Jumblatt with another person? At least this way, there might be some true competition for the leadership position of each party and in theory, potential candidates would have to argue on the issues. Perhaps I am completely in the dark about this- but can people democratically replace the leader of their faction with someone else?

Also, I heard that in Lebanon there's been some effort to move the country towards a secular political system. Do you think there's any realistic chance of this happening? And what would be the biggest obstacles to this?

Nasrallah vows to wipe out Israel’s navy in case of conflict

....

-NOW Lebanon

Is Nasrallah posturing for another war? Or is he genuinely trying to avoid war?

He is definitely right that Israel is scared to fight another war. But that doesn't mean he should be so cocky.

chevre you are right.. we all make fun of our leaders. Even though the leaders are "supposed" to be repping one sect, that isn't always the case when you look at the people themselves.
For instance, Walid Joumblatt is not representing me by any means... granted he runs the primarily druze party, but his political platform is socialist - which I am not:). So I have no problem poking fun at him

I think you misunderstood our reactions, whether we dislike or like nasrallah, he is deemed a leader in lebanon, and (which I didn't know before) a religious figure. We make fun of our leaders, yes, but our religious figures tend to not be satirized.

Wait, so is the problem with insulting him the fact that he is considered to be a leader among most Lebanese (across sectarian lines) OR that he is a religious figure OR both?

I can't argue with someone's right to defend religious leaders. But, religious leaders are just as human as the rest of us. They make mistakes and they commit sins too. From Catholic priests who molested children to Rabbis in Israel who sleep with prostitutes and watch pornography, every religion has its false leaders.

I can understand people being upset about having someone insult their religion or their G-d(s), etc. But religious leaders, in my personal opinion, are just as human as anyone else, and therefore just as fallable; they should not be held above fair and objective criticism.

It sounds to me almost like a country that's composed of fiefdoms. You've got one fiefdom led by Aoun, another by Geagea, another by Joumblatt... etc etc... Do you think that most Lebanese can objectively see the problem with this system? And do you think that there is any desire among Lebanese to find a solution to this problem? Do you think that there are any solutions for this?

Why can't Lebanese vote for the leaders of their faction? For instance, could Druze supporters of the Progressive Socialist Party elect (at the voting booth) to replace Walid Jumblatt with another person? At least this way, there might be some true competition for the leadership position of each party and in theory, potential candidates would have to argue on the issues. Perhaps I am completely in the dark about this- but can people democratically replace the leader of their faction with someone else?

Also, I heard that in Lebanon there's been some effort to move the country towards a secular political system. Do you think there's any realistic chance of this happening? And what would be the biggest obstacles to this?

many Lebanese recognize this as an issue, but what choice do we have. The system is based on quotas. People would rather have a corrupt leader than endanger there sectarian status. unless the system is overhauled I don't see a sulution to this. and as far as secularism is concerned we can definitly move in that direction however no one is really serious about it. and even if we did we would still need some kind of guarantee that every sect or minority is protected.

The secular/Laique movement is gaining popularity and I believe it will grow, but it needs allot of time. Also they need to be more specific about secularism... that word is not understood properly in lebanon.

Fiefdoms - yes I would say that's what we have. You have to understand something. Religion in Lebanon is viewed almost as an ethnicity for some reason. Even though someone's religion is personal and I think bears no real differentiation in a person. Yes Muslim go to mosque on Friday and Christians go to church on Sunday.... but I don't understand where that marks a significant difference. To me this is further troubled by the simple fact that a person can change their religion, and thus their identity in correlation to the state.

The thing is, we have inherited this mentality from the ottomans where shariah law was practiced where one's religion also stipulated what taxes and rights they had. And I think if we look at it in that context. We understand why Christians and Muslims are hyper aware of their perceived differences. But this is just it... its a perceived difference. Beyond the differing points of view on the actual religion, simply based on the virtue that these are still 2 different religions, the Lebanese are all the same culturally.

So don't think of fiefdoms in a strict sense. For instance, my family both on my mom and dad's side we have some shia relatives, my aunt is marrying a christian, my cousin is marrying a Palestinian and my uncle is married to a Philippino woman. Lebanese society is very diverse this way, and while politics and sects are closely associated - besides politics the society is very fluid.

I know from what I said before what I just said now seem contradictory.... but this is exactly the point Lebanese society and Lebanese politics are contradictory.

What the Laique party is trying to achieve is to bring this fluidity to a political level.

The problem is that secularism is not valued by people in lebanon (and I am generalizing ofcourse). They are too close to the problems of the current system to stand far away and understand why it isn't working. Which is why the secular movement is led by Lebanese expats, and secular youth, and people disengaged from any political party.

The biggest obstacle would be the people themselves, everyone is constantly worried about being politically dominated by one group over another. And this is the problem, is that removing a law stipulating which sect gets what seat will probably at first lead to the domination of the parliament by one sect more than the other etc... which shouldn't be a problem. But then the mentality of religion not mattering in politics or in public is not ingrained in society, it exists... just not generally, you will find it in pockets and within certain communities. Such as the artist community and the LGBTQ community, naturally being some of the most liberal groups in ANY society.

Melkart the idea of protecting every sect/minority is counter to secularism. The idea of democratic secularism is to be elected based on a person's Merit, irregardless of religion. But I think I addressed that this is the Biggest obstacle we need to surpass. Ingraining the idea of equality and religion as being private is the biggest step and goal that needs to be achieved. And I will be honest, I don't know how we can do it. There is no proposals yet

The secular/Laique movement is gaining popularity and I believe it will grow, but it needs allot of time. Also they need to be more specific about secularism... that word is not understood properly in lebanon. What do you mean? How is secularism not understood properly?

Fiefdoms - yes I would say that's what we have. You have to understand something. Religion in Lebanon is viewed almost as an ethnicity for some reason. I can understand that actually. It's pretty much the same thing with Jews. Even though someone's religion is personal and I think bears no real differentiation in a person. Yes Muslim go to mosque on Friday and Christians go to church on Sunday.... but I don't understand where that marks a significant difference. If people see religion as their ethnicity/identity, then what exactly does it mean to be Lebanese? It's interesting because Lebanese (regardless of religious sect) on the one hand, seem to be very proud to identify themselves as Lebanese, but on the other, it's almost as though their Lebanese identity doesn't count for anything. To me this is further troubled by the simple fact that a person can change their religion, and thus their identity in correlation to the state.

The thing is, we have inherited this mentality from the ottomans where shariah law was practiced where one's religion also stipulated what taxes and rights they had. And I think if we look at it in that context. We understand why Christians and Muslims are hyper aware of their perceived differences. But this is just it... its a perceived difference. Beyond the differing points of view on the actual religion, simply based on the virtue that these are still 2 different religions, the Lebanese are all the same culturally.

So don't think of fiefdoms in a strict sense. For instance, my family both on my mom and dad's side we have some shia relatives, my aunt is marrying a christian, my cousin is marrying a Palestinian and my uncle is married to a Philippino woman. Lebanese society is very diverse this way, and while politics and sects are closely associated - besides politics the society is very fluid.

I know from what I said before what I just said now seem contradictory.... but this is exactly the point Lebanese society and Lebanese politics are contradictory. Lebanon makes my head :nuts: lol

What the Laique party is trying to achieve is to bring this fluidity to a political level.

The problem is that secularism is not valued by people in lebanon (and I am generalizing ofcourse). They are too close to the problems of the current system to stand far away and understand why it isn't working. Which is why the secular movement is led by Lebanese expats, and secular youth, and people disengaged from any political party.

The biggest obstacle would be the people themselves, everyone is constantly worried about being politically dominated by one group over another. And this is the problem, is that removing a law stipulating which sect gets what seat will probably at first lead to the domination of the parliament by one sect more than the other etc... which shouldn't be a problem. But then the mentality of religion not mattering in politics or in public is not ingrained in society, it exists... just not generally, you will find it in pockets and within certain communities. Such as the artist community and the LGBTQ community, naturally being some of the most liberal groups in ANY society.

Melkart the idea of protecting every sect/minority is counter to secularism. The idea of democratic secularism is to be elected based on a person's Merit, irregardless of religion. But I think I addressed that this is the Biggest obstacle we need to surpass. Ingraining the idea of equality and religion as being private is the biggest step and goal that needs to be achieved. And I will be honest, I don't know how we can do it. There is no proposals yet

wow, thanks for this explanation! my head is now spinning. lol

Also, I heard that in Lebanon there's been some effort to move the country towards a secular political system. Do you think there's any realistic chance of this happening? And what would be the biggest obstacles to this?

The current efforts are purely spontaneous and still unorganised, we def. need a secular media that promotes secularism (e.g: a secular tv station)

Chances?That would only happen with a constitution that enforces secularism and laws that punish sectarianism. The one we currently have embraces secularism and emphasizes individuality but at the same time it recognizes the citizen's basic rights as part of his/her religion's. Not to mention that religious figures have the constitutional right to appeal against laws dealing with religion.

The late civil war and religious leaders themselves are obstacles..they both still have strong impacts on the Lebanese society(especially the generation that witnessed the civil war) ..Whenver there is a talk about secularism they never fail to scare x from z by saying that it will endanger the sectarian balance..

People tend to believe that secularism = atheism.

BTW there have been talks about labeling "secular" as the 19th(?) sect as a first step in the breakthrough process. :nuts:

AHAHAHAH secular the 19th sect.... this is kind of .... bullshit and counter to the point.

I guess if there are enough "converts" we can be the biggest sect! LOL

AHAHAHAH secular the 19th sect.... this is kind of .... bullshit and counter to the point.

I guess if there are enough "converts" we can be the biggest sect! LOL

That's the point behind all that "contradiction". ;)

I realized it is probably that this the way they are accommodating secularism into the current framework. I wonder how big this sect will be. If it becomes one I will definitely change my i.d.

Well yea it is funny.. but we are THAT desperate..to the extent of dreaming someone with a name like Marie Hassan will ever be a parliament speaker or a Prime minister!

We need .. a TV Station.. a brainwashing one! Lebanese love fancy colorful stuff..give them a secular TV with 24/7 brainwashing documentaries, ads, programs..etc..

CHEVERE
Popsi explained how Secularism isn't understood. Its thought of as atheism. But also... people don't understand that to be secular, they need to view that a Muslim and a christian are the same. Which is something that I think is already in place. I don't know... when I am in a cafe I can't tell who's who... when I am in a bar I'm drinking with Muslims, Christians whatever. I know people who've had relationships with one another from and they are from different religions. It is not impossible, it just needs to be brought to consciousness

Lebanese identity, and nationality is contested. There are many different theorists of what constitutes a nation. And depending on who you prescribe to you might come to the conclusion that there is nothing called Lebanese.

But the most popular opinion on this topic is that there is something called Lebanese, the unfortunate part is that each sect views itself as different definition of it, and at times that their version of Lebanon is more authentic.

And the worst part is that it comes to be inscribed in space and place, where certain areas are christian and certain areas Muslim, or Sunni or shi'i. the civil war has only worsened it obviously since now it is common place for people to refer to a neighborhood as "our area" drawing a line as to who is included in this "our".

Unfortunately our confessional system has chosen the one point where everyone differs and built our entire nation based on this identity, thus fusing religion and national identity. Thanks France..... thanks allot :tongue3: I would almost prefer to elect someone on their hummus making skills.... it is about as useful as that... at least then I might get some hummus with my vote instead of a civil war :P

Melkart the idea of protecting every sect/minority is counter to secularism. The idea of democratic secularism is to be elected based on a person's Merit, irregardless of religion. But I think I addressed that this is the Biggest obstacle we need to surpass. Ingraining the idea of equality and religion as being private is the biggest step and goal that needs to be achieved. And I will be honest, I don't know how we can do it. There is no proposals yet

Secularism simply means that there is no afilliation to religion. protecting minorities has nothing to do with it. Besides in a secular democracy a majority rules, but a majority could never overturn individual rights. for example the civil rights legislation or the ADA legislation are examples of laws installed for the protection of a particular minority. It just happens that in Lebanon religion is our divide. So you see Lebanon is not like any other country, but itself. We need to find a solution that is tailored to our cultural psyche. We cannot simply copy other foms of governance and call it our own. The French already helped in modeling our system and look how delightful that turned out to be. :)

Guys, if there were no Hezbollah would we have had an occupation until 2000 in the first place? What would have Israel's excuse been to keep it's army in Lebanon? They were justifying their occupation as a buffer zone to counter Hezbollah. What else would they have told the international community?

Nice explenation of identity and the political system and how people think about it Popsi!

Guys, if there were no Hezbollah would we have had an occupation until 2000 in the first place? What would have Israel's excuse been to keep it's army in Lebanon? They were justifying their occupation as a buffer zone to counter Hezbollah. What else would they have told the international community?

Look to Golan, no Hezbollah over there, and still they are occupiying it... There are a lot of reasons why they want more land. As buffer zones etc (sinaï also for example untill the seventies), or because they want influence or resources, or because some crazy extremistic religious people believe that their artificial disneyland state should reach untill even after the Jordan en that "Great Israel" should be the final goal, including large parts of Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.

About: what would they have told the international community? See what they tell the international community about Golan, occupied Palestine etc. etc. what they did in Ghaza (and the VN goldstone, totally deniying it!). And still the international community does nothing for years. So yes, even without Hezbollah they can do with occupied territories whatever they want!

Btw, in the first place, experts that know everything about Hezbollah say that when the occupation of the south started Hezbollah was still at the beginning of its organisation and not very professional at all and only later on during the occupation they started to become more powerfull and a destinctive party. So already during a long time without big Hezbollah influence they occupied it. They created Hezbollah itself and strenghtened it by occupiying lebanon and attacking it. And I think it's a natural thing. Wherever people are being occupied a resistance emerges.

^^ Good points just a few remarks.

Hezbollah was not made before the occupation, they were created as a sole result of the occupation. Before the occupation, there was Haraket Amal, who fought with Palestinians so that they can leave the country. That is when Israel began it's occupation some people welcomed them, not knowing a speck of what is on the horizon. After Israel destroyed the PLA, and there was still no Hezbollah( answer to Tabbouleh's remark ) They began to terrorize the people, torture, rape etc... Hezbollah, a extremely secretive, efficient clever group was than born as a result. Hezbollah is the only group in Lebanon that never fought against fellow Lebanese in the civil war.( now isnt that ironic) Because the rest of the Lebanese, neither cared, nor was willing to face Israeli terror in the south. If Israel was a genunine country not made out of criminals, they would have left Lebanon after expelling the PLA. And made a critical ally to their south.

The reasons they did not:

1. They like explained up there ^^ by jb_nl, were hungry for land, power, influence, and would destroy and terrorize anything, or anybody in there way. (much like what they did in Palestine)

2. Tel Aviv, Dubai, Cairo, or Amman would not of become anything if the only cosmopolitan, advanced city in the middle east Beirut; was not plunged into deep war, and suffering. ( why do you think the war dragged on for so long. ) So Israel financial backed different militias in the civil war, much like any other middle eastern country, and occupied and terrorized the south.

^^ Jader,why do u only see one side of the story? how about Syrian regime that financed lots of Lebanese militia during civil war? not to mention kidnapping and torturing thousands of Lebanese. the problem with you guys,is that u only see israel as a threat,while most of 14 azar consider both israel and syrian regime,a threat to Lebanon.and the fact that hizbullah is puppet in hands of syrian and iranian regime because simply all financial help and arms come from both regimes,is clearer than sun light.and this casing instability in the country.
i am not sure if i can be more clear.

Nice explenation of identity and the political system and how people think about it Popsi!



Look to Golan, no Hezbollah over there, and still they are occupiying it... There are a lot of reasons why they want more land. As buffer zones etc (sinaï also for example untill the seventies), or because they want influence or resources, or because some crazy extremistic religious people believe that their artificial disneyland state should reach untill even after the Jordan en that "Great Israel" should be the final goal, including large parts of Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.

About: what would they have told the international community? See what they tell the international community about Golan, occupied Palestine etc. etc. what they did in Ghaza (and the VN goldstone, totally deniying it!). And still the international community does nothing for years. So yes, even without Hezbollah they can do with occupied territories whatever they want!

Btw, in the first place, experts that know everything about Hezbollah say that when the occupation of the south started Hezbollah was still at the beginning of its organisation and not very professional at all and only later on during the occupation they started to become more powerfull and a destinctive party. So already during a long time without big Hezbollah influence they occupied it. They created Hezbollah itself and strenghtened it by occupiying lebanon and attacking it. And I think it's a natural thing. Wherever people are being occupied a resistance emerges.

Hey Genius Syria went to war with Israel and lost. That's why they are occupying the Golan. At the end Hisballah is outside the control of the state, takes orders from Iran and is being used as a proxy to gage wars from our territory. Not to mention the only armed militia left in the country. To top it off they are using their weapons to bully our governmant in decision making, hence jeopardising our democratic institutions. A resistance should be for all the Lebanese and not just one sect. I can't make myself any clearer than that.

@ jader Hisballah fought against Amal for control of south Lebanon and other Lebanese factions during the civil war. so your statemenets are unfound.

Jader,why do u only see one side of the story? how about Syrian regime that financed lots of Lebanese militia during civil war? not to mention kidnapping and torturing thousands of Lebanese. the problem with you guys,is that u only see israel as a threat,while most of 14 azar consider both israel and syrian regime,a threat to Lebanon.and the fact that hizbullah is puppet in hands of syrian and iranian regime because simply all financial help and arms come from both regimes,is clearer than sun light.and this casing instability in the country.
i am not sure if i can be more clear.

Listen, Habibi the Syrian regime yes, did cause atrocities when they had occupied parts of Lebanon, but they are the reason the civil war ended. I recognize everything horrible they have done, and significantly condemn it. Now in 2010, Syria has left the country Harriri and March 14 have reconnected , and made peace with Syria. Syria will never occupy any parts of Lebanon again. And Habibi, all of Lebanon still mourn, and recognize previous Syrian hostilities, but Geagea is the only person left who still believe they are a threat. Everyone else in the March 14 camp, have visited Syria and diplomatically solved previous issues. Something that is impossible with Israel. I am not saying the Syrian Monarchy is even near a great one, belaaks they treat alot of their people unjustly, and caused lots of damage to Lebanon; But they are no longer a threat to Lebanon, and are excessively supporting the Lebanese state in facing a extremely more immense threat, the Zionist entity.

And melkart just so you know i do not waste my time addressing extremist people who promote Lebanese division, and base their arguments on pure insults, and no sense what so ever. And i encourage others to follow suit, because your comments on the previous page where preposterous.

^^ u r so naive to believe that syrian regime is not threat to Lebanon because they are not in Lebanon,this is the same baath regime that wasn't in Lebanon before 1975. read more abut ur country's history,Jader.IT WILL HELP!!
and if you believe they are no threat to Lebanon now,at least u shouldn't believe they are friends.
about Hariri,reconnecting with syrian regime,this is not true,his visits to syria were part of his job as Lebanon's PM,mesh aktar.

Guys ,both Israel and Syria are threaths to Lebanon and they both participated in the creation of the civil war ,so it's all an agreement between them !!!

Listen, Habibi the Syrian regime yes, did cause atrocities when they had occupied parts of Lebanon, but they are the reason the civil war ended. I recognize everything horrible they have done, and significantly condemn it. Now in 2010, Syria has left the country Harriri and March 14 have reconnected , and made peace with Syria. Syria will never occupy any parts of Lebanon again. And Habibi, all of Lebanon still mourn, and recognize previous Syrian hostilities, but Geagea is the only person left who still believe they are a threat. Everyone else in the March 14 camp, have visited Syria and diplomatically solved previous issues. Something that is impossible with Israel. I am not saying the Syrian Monarchy is even near a great one, belaaks they treat alot of their people unjustly, and caused lots of damage to Lebanon; But they are no longer a threat to Lebanon, and are excessively supporting the Lebanese state in facing a extremely more immense threat, the Zionist entity.

And melkart just so you know i do not waste my time addressing extremist people who promote Lebanese division, and base their arguments on pure insults, and no sense what so ever. And i encourage others to follow suit, because your comments on the previous page where preposterous.

Aww are you upset cause I equated Hassouni to my shoe!

Guys ,both Israel and Syria are threaths to Lebanon and they both participated in the creation of the civil war ,so it's all an agreement between them !!!
Totally agree,the thing is March 8 supporters believe syria is a friend :S

And the boy cried Syria

http://www.presidency.gov.lb/PhotoGallery/Pages/SpeechesMedia.aspx?speechNum=2TV


The President's stance is pretty clear. If it isn't, then I don't even know what I am anymore, Mo3arada wala Mouwalet.

Guys ,both Israel and Syria are threaths to Lebanon and they both participated in the creation of the civil war ,so it's all an agreement between them !!!

How is Israel NOW a threat to Lebanon? I don't hear anybody here talking about wiping out the Lebanese or occupying Lebanon.

Mr. Chevre, your lasting clinge to this thread, where you constantly insult Lebanon is really getting to a extreme degree. I would expect a visit, or two per week, but you use this thread more than most other Lebanese person here lately. This is especially frustrating that you do not visit any other page on the Lebanon forum. I am not, and have no right to tell you to leave but your crusade onto this EAYOUR thread, is extremely irritating, especially considering that your arguments are only based on insult to Lebanon and with no references. And that you never reply to any of arguments addressing your insults.

How is Israel NOW a threat to Lebanon? I don't hear anybody here talking about wiping out the Lebanese or occupying Lebanon.

I am sure you have the potential to figure out the answer to this preposterous statement yourself. I mean what is this extreme denial, enough is enough.

How is Israel NOW a threat to Lebanon? I don't hear anybody here talking about wiping out the Lebanese or occupying Lebanon.

you are a threat cause if hisballah attacked you, you might use excessive force against us.

Mr. Chevre, your lasting clinge to this thread, where you constantly insult Lebanon is really getting to a extreme degree. I would expect a visit, or two per week, but you use this thread more than most other Lebanese person here lately. This is especially frustrating that you do not visit any other page on the Lebanon forum. I am not, and have no right to tell you to leave but your crusade onto this EAYOUR thread, is extremely irritating, especially considering that your arguments are only based on insult to Lebanon and with no references. And that you never reply to any of arguments addressing your insults.

Thanks for the kind words. And actually I do visit other sections of the Lebanese forum , I just don't leave comments.

you are a threat cause if hisballah attacked you, you might use excessive force against us.

True. No one here talks about attacking Lebanon without mentioning it in the context of a preconditional Hizbullah attack on Israel. But generally aside from Hizbullah, people hardly ever talk about Lebanon, let alone expressing support for an attack on Lebanon.

^^ Yea, yet another sequel to the parade of absolute ignorance by melkart. And Melkart yet again erases 100 years of history, and fabricates his own 100 years. I am actually beginning to enjoy melkart's 10 word blurt outs. Oh and by the way, Hezbollah is not scared we were never scared the only people scared now are the Israelis; this fear and balance of terror will keep our country safe, for years and years to come. That is if you want your country safe, feel free to solely only about Israel, and U.S.A's security, i swear seeing a Lebanese speak like this with no sense of respect, makes me depressed. Thank god you are the only one i have heard of, with these heartless, extremist views.

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^^ Yea, yet another sequel to the parade of absolute ignorance by melkart. And Melkart yet again erases 100 years of history, and fabricates his own 100 years. I am actually beginning to enjoy melkart's 10 word blurt outs. Oh and by the way, Hezbollah is not scared we were never scared the only people scared now are the Israelis; this fear and balance of terror will keep our country safe, for years and years to come. That is if you want your country safe, feel free to solely only about Israel, and U.S.A's security, i swear seeing a Lebanese speak like this with no sense of respect, makes me depressed. Thank god you are the only one i have heard of, with these heartless, extremist views.

Dude, just remember one thing- as much as you hate Israel, Israel is a rational player. How it chooses to interact with Lebanon is not based on ideology, but on practical concerns for its own interests. Israel's main interest as you should know by now, is security. As long as you don't harm this interest (i.e., Israeli security), then Israel doesn't respond. And if Israel doesn't respond, then Lebanon doesn't get attacked. And if Lebanon doesn't get attacked, then Lebanon/Lebanese achieve the ultimate resistance/self-defense against Israel by averting any potential Israeli threat to Lebanese people and territory.

To rephrase what I said schematically:
Concerning Lebanon Israel acts according to its interests, not according to ideology ---> Israel's #1 and #2 and #3 interest = security ---> harm Israel's security --> Israel acts by attacking Lebanon (and then everyone can cheer on their favorite "resistance")

Alternatively ..... don't harm Israel's security ---> Israel doesn't act, and Lebanon remains safe (at least from Israel)

So answer my question, what is your goal in supporting resistance? Is it because you support Lebanon's right to defend itself from attack? Is it because you support Lebanon's right to defend its civilians and its sovereign territory? Is it because you don't want to see more Lebanese people killed? Is it because you don't want to see more Lebanese homes/villages/towns destroyed? If your reasons for supporting the resistance are for any of these reasons, then you support Lebanon's right to self-defense. Now let me ask you one follow-up question: Which is a more sensible strategy for achieving this self-defense- leaving Israel alone, thereby preventing any possibility of an Israeli attack on Lebanon OR launching attacks on Israel (via Hizbullah), prompting Israel to attack Lebanon (and its security)?

True. No one here talks about attacking Lebanon without mentioning it in the context of a preconditional Hizbullah attack on Israel. But generally aside from Hizbullah, people hardly ever talk about Lebanon, let alone expressing support for an attack on Lebanon.

Dont give me your B.S. It makes me sick to hear you say that when Israel is denying boats filled with Noble Peace Prize winners delivering tons of aid, to the open air prison of Gaza, so that the adults inside can live a life without spending their whole time thinking how they are going to find any food, any hapiness, any joy, or any sense of security the next day. Or the children who dream about playing with paper, toys, pencils, eating junk food, playing soccer, all things denied entry into Gaza. As the children wonder why there is a huge wall separating them from the outside world. They wonder why they will never be able to pursuit happiness or a job after spending their whole life in school, thats if they make it through school. Is this preconditional????!!!!!

Your words are complete B.S, and highly offendable. Indeed truly sad.

This is the 9th time we have this discussion, you have failed to answer my reply for every one of those 9 times. Here is my reply from page 196 to the peace issue:

YOU SAID
1) It is citing a newspaper, As-Sharq al-Awsat, that probably lacks journalistic objectivity (i.e., it has a decidedly anti-Israel position).

2) If Israel did start a war in Lebanon now or in the near future, I think (but I could be wrong) that a lot of people in Israel would be surprised. No one was surprised when Israel entered Lebanon in 2006 or Gaza in 2008.

3) The last paper that I would expect to have an accurate sense of what is going on in Israel is once called As-Sharq al-Awsat.

4) The only people who would stand to benefit from another war between Israel and Hizbullah, would be Hizbullah and Iran (and maybe Syria too). It would give Hizbullah one more way in which to justify its existance.

5) Israel is known to be good at planting false news stories in the world media. I am sure that a newspaper like As-Sharq al-Awsat would only be too eager to believe them.

6) Unlike 2006 and 2008, I don't think that there would be as much popular support for a war.

I SAID--

You have a issue with Hezbollah's arms huh?? Well habibi like i said before, without Hezbollah's arms, I would not be having this discussion with you. The Southern Lebanon as of now; 2010 would still be ruins. Our women would still be raped, our men still decapitated, our families still in absolute treachery. Our goods would still be stolen, as well as our homes, farms, food and water still stolen and occupied. Our people would still be isolated from the rest of the country. The people of Southern Lebanon would still be in disbelief, shock, anxiety, depression, and complete financial wreck. Our people would still have their identity stolen from them and We would not have the right to pursuit happiness, our lives would still be ruined. You say our resistance is not justified. If Mexico were to invade and ocupy Texas, rape their women decapitate their men in front of their children, put families in absoulute treachery, apply terror among texans to the upmost degree, the American Army is extremely weak, and Americans not livign in Texas do not give a crap about what is happening; does this not give a justified reason for resistance?? HUHHHHH?????? Now in the future after Mexico every day steals Texas water, land, violtes Texas's air, sea space every day, insults, and tantlaies texans each day, holds thousands of Texan prisoners!! Does this guys, not provide a justified reason for the Texan resistance not to capture a handful of Mexicans for a prisoner swap. Then after all this, considering that Mexico is still each, and every day violeting your safety, souverinty, and cosnidering that you still have memoreis of you wife being raped in front of you eyes, your brother being decaptitated, in front of your nephew!! Considering that your neighbor has statistically violated the most UN resolution's, statistically committed the most, and worst crimes in humanity, for pete's sake when you know that your neighbor has stolen a whole country, and has settled in their homes, and tortured the homeowners, and throw the whole population in a small radius, so they can just hop back over there and once again commit further acts of terrorism. After all of this, you say we don't have the right to bear arms, well think again.
You make me sad. I swear you make me sad. Hezbollah will benefit, because it will have another reason to justify its resistance. Boy after all of that i wrote up there. After all the terrorism your country has commited you dare, you dare say that we need more reasons to have a "excuse" for resistance. I am extremely offended, by your lack of sense, in fact All Israeli's contradict themselves. They say that the old testament says to take Israel. Well does the old testanment say, to kill the most children and women, does it say to rape women in front of her children, does it say to decapitate men, our cause families and people complete and utter treachery. Does in say to steal and occupy homes, farms, food water, ruins, people's personal belongings, burn religious buildings and religious books, for pete's sake does it say to steal a whole population of their identity. Does it say to PURPOSELY provide people with the up most shock, anxiety, depression, sadness and complete financial wreck. Your military and government will always, every day commit these crimes. They are a criminal army. THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. They need to seek peace with Palestinians. They need to seek peace with Lebanese. They need to be a peace-loving nation. Not a terrorism-loving nation. Peace is everything Southern Lebanese, and Palestains want, we want to stop being tortured and crushed by Israel. Hezbollah in Lebaon has given us that assurance. We will disarm when when the International Community, acts, and holds your terrorists accountable for the crimes they have committed. And halt these actions in the future, and FORCES ISRAEL to make peace. But that can never happen. It can never happen becuase Israel undoubtedly controls the world. Through AIPAC they control America. Through AIPAC they have destroyed two middle eastern countries and utilized them for there financially gain. My friend the question doent lie on Lebanon or Palestinian, IT LIES ON ISRAEL!!



Your army and your government, does not want peace it does not want security. Your government is arrogant to an extreme level, their existence is based on the theory that they are superior to arabs. They are based on the theory that they can fuck up a country, and it's people for their personal security. To answer your question above; taking Palestine out of the picture; Hezbollah does not want to attack the Zionist Entity, we do not want to kill your civilians, but if you attack, and terrorize a Arab Nation again, it will be your last war. Your country's arrogance and contradiction to peace, and civility has ultimately brought this upon themselves. A country that is based on crime, and terrorism can not last long, even if they have the world's largest superpower under their hands. Brother what goes around comes back around. If you would have expelled the PLA, and gone home you could of been in Beirut right now.

Dont give me your B.S. It makes me sick to hear you say that when Israel is denying boats filled with Noble Peace Prize winners delivering tons of aid, to the open air prison of Gaza, so that the adults inside can live a life without spending their whole time thinking how they are going to find any food, any hapiness, any joy, or any sense of security the next day. Or the children who dream about playing with paper, toys, pencils, eating junk food, playing soccer, all things denied entry into Gaza. As the children wonder why there is a huge wall separating them from the outside world. They wonder why they will never be able to pursuit happiness or a job after spending their whole life in school, thats if they make it through school. Is this preconditional????!!!!!

Your words are complete B.S, and highly offendable. Indeed truly sad.

You're a liar. :D

1) The Gaza situation has nothing to do with Israel-Lebanon.

2) Israel is denying the boats entry to Gaza. BUT it has also said that it will transfer all the goods on those ships to Gaza. (And it will.)

1) The Gaza situation has nothing to do with Israel-Lebanon.

ya walad; dont run away from what you said earlier.

True. No one here talks about attacking Lebanon without mentioning it in the context of a preconditional Hizbullah attack on Israel. But generally aside from Hizbullah, people hardly ever talk about Lebanon, let alone expressing support for an attack on Lebanon.


I was showing you that nothing Israel does is preconditional.

How can you be inhumane enough to support this:

A FLOTILLA of aid ships carrying essential supplies will rendezvous in international waters off the coast of Cyprus today, en route to Gaza.
The eight ships, organised by the NGO Free Gaza Movement (FGM) are carrying around 10,000 tonnes of medical equipment, school and building supplies.
They are also carrying around 800 passengers, including 15 MPs from EU member states, journalists and activists who oppose the Israeli blockade of Gaza.
The boats will broadcast live pictures of their approach to Gaza and their inevitable clash with the Israeli authorities, who have vowed to block the flotilla and who described the mission as a publicity stunt that is "Both futile and a provocation."
This is the ninth aid trip conducted by FGM. However, unlike previous journeys when the ships would meet in Larnaca, today they will meet international waters before they attempt to breach the blockade.
Asked why they are not docking in Cyprus, Greta Berlin, FGM Spokeswoman said they had not received permission, as the Cypriot Government is following international law and maritime regulations, which state that ships can only go between legal international ports.
"The Cyprus Government has been wonderful, helping us the previous eight times, but it is not fair to ask Cyprus to deal with this by itself. They are being leaned on by Israel and the US."
A senior source within Cyprus' Foreign Ministry agreed that they would be following all the rules and international maritime regulations. However, he said that he was not aware of any request being made by the organisers of the flotilla.
"It is up to the organisers, and they have decided not to visit Cyprus. But if any such request had been put forward, the decision will take place according to international and maritime law, and any rules that exist."
If successful, the flotilla will supply around 10,000 tonnes of building materials, paper for schools and a range of currently banned items to Gaza. Such as generators, water purifiers and crayons for children.
Israel has denied that there is an ongoing humanitarian crisis, and that its own provisions are sufficient.
However, Christopher Gunnes of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) said yesterday "We do not openly call for protests that might end in death; however the situation in the Gaza strip is dire. The blockade is having a devastating effect ordinary people. For example, the number of people unable to feed themselves has trebled from 100,000 to 300,000 in the last year."
The Jerusalem Post reports that Hamas have been preparing the port for the flotilla's arrival, but that it is far from complete. Berlin said "Gaza is the only territory in the world without access to its own sea, and the port has been bombed back to the Stone Age."
Ravit Baer, Deputy Head of Mission at the Israeli Embassy in Nicosia, sought to play down the impact of the naval blockade on Palestinians in the Gaza strip, and restate the IDFs intention to block the boats.
Baer issued a statement saying "A state of armed conflict exists between Israel and the Hamas regime which has taken control of the Gaza strip... Notice of such blockade has been duly published, in accordance with the requirements under international law." As such, no vessels are allowed to enter the area and "Should any vessel breach or attempt to breach the blockade, it may be subject to naval action."
During the 2009 FGM mission to Gaza, a boat was rammed and towed to shore.

Amnesty International (winner of the Nobel Peace Prize) has issued a 430-page report accusing both Israel and Hamas of war crimes. While few have any illusions about Hamas and its violation of international law, the accusations against Israel are quite damaging and join those of the United Nations investigation by the Goldstone Commission.


The report confirms war crimes allegations during Operation Cast Lead, as well as its treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank. During the operations, the report concludes, “[a]mong other things, they carried out indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks against civilians, targeted and killed medical staff, used Palestinian civilians as ‘human shields’ and indiscriminately fired white phosphorus over densely populated residential areas.” Israel is also accused of maintaining an “illegal blockade” — a growing controversy with countries like Turkey this week demanding that its humanitarian shipments to Gaza be allowed through the blockade, here.
The report states that “[t]he restrictions included a military blockade of the Gaza Strip, which effectively imprisoned the 1.5 million residents and resulted in a humanitarian crisis.


Like i said what goes around will come back around.

^^ Yea, yet another sequel to the parade of absolute ignorance by melkart. And Melkart yet again erases 100 years of history, and fabricates his own 100 years. I am actually beginning to enjoy melkart's 10 word blurt outs. Oh and by the way, Hezbollah is not scared we were never scared the only people scared now are the Israelis; this fear and balance of terror will keep our country safe, for years and years to come. That is if you want your country safe, feel free to solely only about Israel, and U.S.A's security, i swear seeing a Lebanese speak like this with no sense of respect, makes me depressed. Thank god you are the only one i have heard of, with these heartless, extremist views.

Some of us have jobs, meaning I don't have time to elaborate. besides I have already said what i needed to say, otherwise I would be repeating myself! and hisballah has brought nothing but chaos, double standards, and undermining the authority of the Lebanese state. You keep saying that Israel is this big threat, when in reality the only threat is hassan Nasralla's irresponsible comments about wiping this and wiping that. He needs to chill, he should be encouraging peace and not bloodshed. what kind of religious figure preaches hate to his people. shame on him he should be stripped off his title. I have seen criminals with better morals than his fat ass.

^^ With that comment you are confirming your ignorance, extremism, and your urge to divide our country. The day where you make your comments credible, instead of talking like a teenager in the middle of puburity, who finds it suitable to curse in every sentence he composes; and actually composes credible referenced information you would be worth a reply.

3anjad enno ento film porno tawil.

^^ With that comment you are confirming your ignorance, extremism, and your urge to divide our country. The day where you make your comments credible, instead of talking like a teenager in the middle of puburity, who finds it suitable to curse in every sentence he composes; and actually composes credible referenced information you would be worth a reply.

I don't recall cursing in the above statemenet. So come again?

3anjad enno ento film porno tawil.

LOL leish film porno? ana ma fhemt el analogy

LOL leish film porno? ana ma fhemt el analogy

bass tekbar btefham ..:tongue2:

latsha 2weyye :rofl:

hahaha you guys for how long have you been going through the same points over and over and OVER again hehe ? Hizballah, Syria, Israel, 8 march, 14 march, same names same players same stories, and has any1 changed their thoughts even for one small bit ? hehe follow my advice and stop burning your nerves this is getting you nowhere it's a dead-end road :P

same names same players same stories, and has any1 changed their thoughts even for one small bit ?

Am not so sure about that! :| LOL

Well, having been one of the first to participate in the cedar revolution and one of the most dedicated fighters against Syria occupation in 2005, coming to this thread frequently is making me reconsider being "that" 14 march if Melkart and co. are "defining" this side!!! (with all due respect to melkart who happen to be my friend).

Let me tell u a story. When those "braggers" from the other sides of the world were sleeping in their warm beds, I was sleeping (proudly) in the independence tents in the cold. (and not having sex there as u 8 march guys may think, this was a cheap BS propaganda against us). When we got victorious and kicked the Syrian army from our land, I felt the pride for being that small part of that GREAT achievement...BUT, when I keep coming here and reading those BRAGGERS posts, this pride keeps diminishing unfortunately!!!

When was the last time I came here, and found any kind of difference between what Chevre the Israeli say and what melkart keep fighting for??? Never!

Well last time I checked, our proverb used to say: "ana w khayyi 3a ebn 3ammi, w ana w ebn 3ammi 3al ghareeb!"...the funny thing, is that we Lebanese go sooo far in our disagreements that we start to fight with the enemy against our fellow Lebanese.

Plus, please Lebkm don't stop them, I always enjoy coming here listening to Chevre funny stories about Israel being the peaceful poor guy! LOL...I must admit I love Chevre becuz he's so cute. :) His stories keep reminding me of "les fables de la Fontaine", specially the famous one about the goat that drank from the same river as the wolf...LOL

Btw, I vowed not to write anything in this thread, becuz my time is more precious than wasting it on empty arguments, but this is not an argument, and I will not reply on ur replies, so that u do not reply and.... I wasted enough time already.

My two cents and piece of advice to everyone:

Chevre, ur my favorite funny character, and ur post always entertain me, but please bro keep in mind that this forum is a Lebanese one, and that WE have suffered for years and years from ur country's tyranny, when u used to slaughter our children (yes our, even though am not from the south and not Muslim), and burn our country every time u pay us a visit then run away.

Melkart, pick a side bro. period.

Jader, try to keep it Lebanese man, although I fully understand what u mean when u bring Gaza into discussion.

PS: I am not politically active (I never was, I was a patriot), I just have some activities concerning the Lebanese prisoners in Syria. (not political)...Politics sucks.

Cheers...:cheers:

^^ very funny commentary. :rofl:

latsha 2weyye :rofl:

bass tekbar btefham ..:tongue2:

:ohno: khalas .... sangaftkon

"sangaftkon" ??? I haven't heard that in yeaaars!

lol eh ..latshe bass mesh elak lebnani..elon..tayefhamo lwade3 :P

:applause::applause:
:applause:

Am not so sure about that! :| LOL

Well, having been one of the first to participate in the cedar revolution and one of the most dedicated fighters against Syria occupation in 2005, coming to this thread frequently is making me reconsider being "that" 14 march if Melkart and co. are "defining" this side!!! (with all due respect to melkart who happen to be my friend).

Let me tell u a story. When those "braggers" from the other sides of the world were sleeping in their warm beds, I was sleeping (proudly) in the independence tents in the cold. (and not having sex there as u 8 march guys may think, this was a cheap BS propaganda against us). When we got victorious and kicked the Syrian army from our land, I felt the pride for being that small part of that GREAT achievement...BUT, when I keep coming here and reading those BRAGGERS posts, this pride keeps diminishing unfortunately!!!

When was the last time I came here, and found any kind of difference between what Chevre the Israeli say and what melkart keep fighting for??? Never!

Well last time I checked, our proverb used to say: "ana w khayyi 3a ebn 3ammi, w ana w ebn 3ammi 3al ghareeb!"...the funny thing, is that we Lebanese go sooo far in our disagreements that we start to fight with the enemy against our fellow Lebanese.

Plus, please Lebkm don't stop them, I always enjoy coming here listening to Chevre funny stories about Israel being the peaceful poor guy! LOL...I must admit I love Chevre becuz he's so cute. :) His stories keep reminding me of "les fables de la Fontaine", specially the famous one about the goat that drank from the same river as the wolf...LOL

Btw, I vowed not to write anything in this thread, becuz my time is more precious than wasting it on empty arguments, but this is not an argument, and I will not reply on ur replies, so that u do not reply and.... I wasted enough time already.

My two cents and piece of advice to everyone:

Chevre, ur my favorite funny character, and ur post always entertain me, but please bro keep in mind that this forum is a Lebanese one, and that WE have suffered for years and years from ur country's tyranny, when u used to slaughter our children (yes our, even though am not from the south and not Muslim), and burn our country every time u pay us a visit then run away.

Melkart, pick a side bro. period.

Jader, try to keep it Lebanese man, although I fully understand what u mean when u bring Gaza into discussion.

PS: I am not politically active (I never was, I was a patriot), I just have some activities concerning the Lebanese prisoners in Syria. (not political)...Politics sucks.

Cheers...:cheers:

nicely said Zippo :)

@Zippo,

Don't bullshit me with this Israeli terror nonsense. I've acknowledged repeatedly Israel's partial culpability for past crimes committed in Lebanon. Never mind the fact that every Israeli entry into Lebanon has been preceded by attacks from Lebanese territory that have killed scores of Israeli civilians. Unlike any other sovereign country, Lebanon should never be held accountable for its actions or for the actions of its people.

In posting in EAYOR, my main points have been this:
1) Lebanese have suffered from war.
2) Israelis have suffered from war.
3) War hasn't brought either country any closer towards achieving its goals and in fact, it has only brought about more suffering and loss.
4) Lebanese will never get what they want from Israel (e.g., 'justice', revenge, Shebaa Farms) through rocket attacks and threats of violence. It will never happen. Anyone who believes this is delusional.
5) Hizbullah, contrary to being a force for good in Lebanon (i.e., as a resistance), is the only entity inside Lebanon that is capable of provoking another war with Israel (and the ensuing human and economic costs to Lebanon). It is thus a primary obstacle for ending this interminable state of war or impending war.

Even though I have stated some strong opinions concerning Lebanon/Lebanese politics and so on, my point in posting here isn't to pass judgement (with the exception of Hizbullah, which I strongly feel is counterproductive to any Lebanese hope of peace and security), but to share my belief in the futility of war and the status quo which all but assures future wars. As I said in previous posts, we don't have to love each other to agree to not kill each other.

Concerning the Palestinian situation in Lebanon, which I know is a major issue, this will have to be resolved on its own. But we have to take one step forward first; we can't begin by taking two giant steps.

^^ You keep on repeating yourself, and never can reply to my comments. Just stop man; that was the 7th time back there i have replied to you, and you have not been able to reply. You are quite ignorant.

^^You should try the "ignore" tool hehe

:applause::lol: 2aweyeh

Am not so sure about that! :| LOL

Well, having been one of the first to participate in the cedar revolution and one of the most dedicated fighters against Syria occupation in 2005, coming to this thread frequently is making me reconsider being "that" 14 march if Melkart and co. are "defining" this side!!! (with all due respect to melkart who happen to be my friend).

Let me tell u a story. When those "braggers" from the other sides of the world were sleeping in their warm beds, I was sleeping (proudly) in the independence tents in the cold. (and not having sex there as u 8 march guys may think, this was a cheap BS propaganda against us). When we got victorious and kicked the Syrian army from our land, I felt the pride for being that small part of that GREAT achievement...BUT, when I keep coming here and reading those BRAGGERS posts, this pride keeps diminishing unfortunately!!!

When was the last time I came here, and found any kind of difference between what Chevre the Israeli say and what melkart keep fighting for??? Never!

Well last time I checked, our proverb used to say: "ana w khayyi 3a ebn 3ammi, w ana w ebn 3ammi 3al ghareeb!"...the funny thing, is that we Lebanese go sooo far in our disagreements that we start to fight with the enemy against our fellow Lebanese.

Plus, please Lebkm don't stop them, I always enjoy coming here listening to Chevre funny stories about Israel being the peaceful poor guy! LOL...I must admit I love Chevre becuz he's so cute. :) His stories keep reminding me of "les fables de la Fontaine", specially the famous one about the goat that drank from the same river as the wolf...LOL

Btw, I vowed not to write anything in this thread, becuz my time is more precious than wasting it on empty arguments, but this is not an argument, and I will not reply on ur replies, so that u do not reply and.... I wasted enough time already.

My two cents and piece of advice to everyone:

Chevre, ur my favorite funny character, and ur post always entertain me, but please bro keep in mind that this forum is a Lebanese one, and that WE have suffered for years and years from ur country's tyranny, when u used to slaughter our children (yes our, even though am not from the south and not Muslim), and burn our country every time u pay us a visit then run away.

Melkart, pick a side bro. period.

Jader, try to keep it Lebanese man, although I fully understand what u mean when u bring Gaza into discussion.

PS: I am not politically active (I never was, I was a patriot), I just have some activities concerning the Lebanese prisoners in Syria. (not political)...Politics sucks.

Cheers...:cheers:

zippo my side is very clear I am against Hisballah in every way shape and form. I am afraid i don't see things black or white. I am critical of the Israeli state but at the same time I don't hate them, and yes i'll side with them over hisballah. The way I see it Israel is no threat to Lebanon. Hisballah is; based on their rhetoric anyway. Israel might posess nuclear weapons and even have the capability to destroy Lebanon if they want to, but that's not what they intend to do. It's hisballah's actions that will lead to the latter.

and my statements or beliefs represent my personal opinions only. I don't speak for every March 14th supporters, However I think it is safe to assume that we are all against Hisballah's posession of weapons. That's our unifying stance. everything else is trivial.

and all that BS about converting to the other side because of my statements than be it I feel flattered that I have that much influence over u, since you prolly never posessed our values and beliefs to begin with.

P.S: man hafara houfratan li akhihi waqa3a fiha. If you believe that the Israelis are our bretherens that is. We are both semetic afterall and we share similar cultural traits. also a brother is closer to you by blood but they might be wrong and I definitly refuse to stand by them simply because they are of kin. I will stand by whom i think is right no matter who might that be. and if you guys keep supporting these thugs we will never have peace. but oh well you are the ones who live there not me. I am afterall sitting here in my warm bed without a care in the world. you are the ones who will endure the suffering as a consequence of your actions.

Peace

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Has anyone been watching the news? What the hell is happening

Are you refering to the protests about the power outage? If that's the case than it is about time people did something about this.

^^Yes. Personal machkal?

Are you refering to the protests about the power outage? If that's the case than it is about time people did something about this.

Yes, and also the clashes and the burning of tires near the airport

^^ they closed the road to the airport; due to power cuts. The ISF reopened it shortly.

In a seperate incident some crazy bitch shot dead her husband and his brother.

^^ lol...my god whats happening to this country?

Sho shabeb shakla wel3ane w ma ma3e khabar.. ya batil .

20:28-Koura clash leaves two dead

^^ Marada's Toni Saleh and his brother shot dead by LF militants...RIP

melkart, what were you doing at 08:00 pm today?

22:28شعر أهالي صيدا والقرى المحيطة بهزة أرضية قرابة الـ 10:15 من هذه الليلة.

bas ma7asit bi she ana !!!!

earthquakes freak me out :ohno:

In a seperate incident some crazy bitch shot dead her husband and his brother.

20:28-Koura clash leaves two dead

are those the same incident ???? walla haydak mashkal tene ??

^^ They are the same incident:



The National News Agency (NNA) reported on Friday that Lebanese national Hanna al-Barsaoui shot and killed Tony Saleh and the latter’s brother, Nayyef, in a clash in the Koura village of Dahr al-Ain.

According to the NNA, Hanna al-Barsaoui had a quarrel with Tony Saleh on Wednesday over a lawsuit between the two.

NOW Lebanon’s correspondent reported that the Lebanese army deployed to the area and launched an investigation into the incident.

-NOW Lebanon

Hanna is the wife?

la7za la7za la7za i'm confused ....

who killed those two guys ??? the wife or this guy hanna or the LF militants ????

forget about the porno.. sar film Hindi!

UNIFIL Meets Israeli Request Not to Give Lebanon Data on Warplanes Activity

UNIFIL has reportedly met an Israeli request not to provide Lebanon with data on the activity of its warplanes over Lebanese airspace.
The Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Rai quoted Western diplomatic sources in New York as saying the agreement came during a meeting in April between Israeli Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi and UNIFIL force commander Maj. Gen. Alberto Asarta Cuevas.

Ya3ni wtf?? This totally goes against the UNIFILS purpose in South Lebanon :ohno:

Two Marada Members Shot Dead in Koura's Dahr al-Ain
Two brothers, Tony and Naif Saleh, were shot dead Friday at the hands of Hanna al-Barsaoui in the northern town of Dahr al-Ain in the al-Koura district.
"The incident was sparked by a dispute that took place two days ago between the sons of al-Barsaoui on one side and Tony Saleh on the other and after the lawsuits filed over the issue were not dropped as previously agreed," the National News Agency reported.

Later Friday, a statement issued by the Marada Movement said: "The two Marada Movement members Tony and Naif Saleh were martyred this evening at the hands of Lebanese Forces official Hanna al-Barsaoui."

^^ so , Marada says they were killed by a LF "Militant" ?
and the truth is: "The incident was sparked by a dispute that took place two days ago between the sons of al-Barsaoui on one side and Tony Saleh on the other and after the lawsuits filed over the issue were not dropped as previously agreed," the National News Agency reported.

So,here's another funny one

Bashar Al Assad today in an interview: ' If Israel withdraws from all Syrian occupied land,I'll make sure,hamas,Israel and Iran,will recognize Israel's existence. '

But again,hizbullah is not Syria's puppet,isn't this what i keep on hearing here?

Bashar Al Assad today in an interview: ' If Israel withdraws from all Syrian occupied land,I'll make sure,hamas,Israel and Iran,will recognize Israel's existence. '


but I think israel already recognizes Israel's existence? ..... tere henne ma msad2een 7alon.

hehe i think he meant hezballah

ba3ref.... bas its a funny slip of the tongue.... since his whole point is Hezbollah controlled by Syria.. and thats the only place he made a mistake :P

lol :D ok but u all know what i meant :D

tab hassoun 3al 2alile zabeta :P

fhemnek Hassoun :)

tab hassoun 3al 2alile zabeta :P

No :P I'll leave it as it's :P enno,al labeebo bel esharate yafhamou :D

More from Mleeta Museum :) i like :)

Courtesy of sietske

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qk1Ga6VisBQ/S_01yKo43rI/AAAAAAAAFIM/p9DxPE1MeNc/s1600/Mleeta+Museum.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Qk1Ga6VisBQ/S_02NTbQaMI/AAAAAAAAFIk/FfFWK1SRAMk/s1600/Mleeta+Museum+2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Qk1Ga6VisBQ/S_02E_w0OGI/AAAAAAAAFIc/35v0yst6Iq0/s1600/Mleeta+Museum+3.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qk1Ga6VisBQ/S_02laUrEsI/AAAAAAAAFI0/fa0kLhAPi7E/s1600/Mleeta+Museum+6.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qk1Ga6VisBQ/S_02aIeMdiI/AAAAAAAAFIs/K7CTMj7W77E/s1600/Mleeta+Museum+5.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Qk1Ga6VisBQ/S_022LuRq7I/AAAAAAAAFI8/XcfjotVWokI/s1600/Mleeta+Museum+7.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qk1Ga6VisBQ/S_03AZHDzYI/AAAAAAAAFJE/Tbpi9_lFWzg/s1600/Mleeta+Museum+8.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Qk1Ga6VisBQ/S_03Pp85gVI/AAAAAAAAFJM/IgtgSGFCHQM/s1600/Mleeta+Museum+9.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Qk1Ga6VisBQ/S_05PQMEI5I/AAAAAAAAFJU/Y3GipupWGMA/s1600/Security+Zone.jpg

Godd job on this one,Hizbullah.

On a side note :D

http://www.ouwet.com/images/2010/05/IMG_8448-400x266.jpg
This picture is part of Gebran Bassil’s preparations to the Batroun battle lol!

The museum looks sooo interesting, Im seriously considering a visit when im in Lebanon next month

This museum is an architectural piece of art, judging by the first picture. I may pay it a visit to get a closer look, becuz it seems interesting, seriously. (btw, are there any burning tires in that museum, becuz it seems they had been using them as a weapon lately! At least they are killing me, so I suppose it's a lethal weapon...LOL)

A dutch (frisian I guess, her name is more frisian) woman her blog, nice!


Really beautifull, next time I go to lebanon I have to go to Mleeta!

UNIFIL Meets Israeli Request Not to Give Lebanon Data on Warplanes Activity

UNIFIL has reportedly met an Israeli request not to provide Lebanon with data on the activity of its warplanes over Lebanese airspace.
The Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Rai quoted Western diplomatic sources in New York as saying the agreement came during a meeting in April between Israeli Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi and UNIFIL force commander Maj. Gen. Alberto Asarta Cuevas.

Ya3ni wtf?? This totally goes against the UNIFILS purpose in South Lebanon :ohno:

pff, I hate those UN soldiers, they don't give a *** about lebanon and just cooporate with the zionists. They should fight for lebanon, shoot those planes out of the air.

A day after two men were shot dead in the Koura town of Dahr al-Ain, Marada Movement leader MP Sleiman Franjieh put the heat on Lebanese Forces leader Samir Geagea during a press conference Saturday, calling him a criminal.

Media reports say that on Friday, alleged LF supporter Hanna al-Barsaoui shot and killed Tony Saleh and his brother Nayyef, who are affiliated with the Marada Movement.

“This criminal [Geagea] remains a criminal, and he was [initially] sentenced to death. He came out of prison [in 2005] based on a law made for himself only, and not based on amnesty,” Franjieh said.

Franjieh also said that “all those who support Geagea, from [Prime Minister] Saad Hariri to any state, I remind them that they are supporting a criminal and not a political party.”

The LF issued a statement condemning Friday’s fatal clash. The group said the Saleh brothers went to Barsaoui’s butcher shop intending to start a fight, the situation escalated, and Barsaoui shot the men out of self-defense.

“We are surprised by the LF statement, which said that the shooting was out of self-defense,” Franjieh told the press.

He added that Friday’s shooting was related to an incident that happened two days earlier, involving a third Saleh brother. Efforts were made to reconcile that situation, he said. Yet still on Friday afternoon, the Saleh brothers, “who were not armed,” Franjieh noted, “were shot.”

Despite the incident, the Marada Movement leader said Sunday’s municipal and mukhtar elections in North Lebanon will pass calmly.

Security is the state’s responsibility, he added.

-NOW Lebanon

^^ m2hour ktiir men LF :D

who said this crime is political? :crazy: he just wants to use it for the elections,7aram.
anyway,what did he think about all May 7 2008 "Peaceful" acts in daylight by hizbullah members?

Strida Geagea on Franjieh press conference: Strange
May 29, 2010

Strange. That was Lebanese Forces bloc MP Strida Geagea’s response on Saturday to Marada Movement leader MP Sleiman Franjieh’s press conference about a deadly double-shooting in the Koura town of Dahr al-Ain, LBCI television reported.

Franjieh called LF leader Samir Geagea a criminal in response to Friday’s incident - in which alleged LF supporter Hanna al-Barsaoui shot and killed Tony Saleh and his brother Nayyef, who are affiliated with the Marada Movement.

“What we heard [from Franjieh] is not new. We suffer from this and we were trying to avoid problems,” Strida Geagea said.

“We were preparing to send a delegation in the name of the LF to offer condolences [to the victims’ family],” she added.

Geagea also responded to Franjieh’s remark that the LF does not believe in state control. The MP said she called Lebanese army Commander General Jean Kahwaji after the fight broke out on Friday and told him the LF wants justice for the victims.

She also said the LF does not want Sunday’s municipal elections in the North to be postponed, voicing hope the vote would proceed calmly.

-NOW Lebanon

Watch this Al Jazeera doc about the Shebaa farms..... and discuss....aaaaand GO!
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/05/201052513611882652.html

:popcorn: nshalla ma ytawwel la yballesh l felm...

hehehe el video be ballesh doghre... bas el film yalleh 7ay seer bil forum.... ba3ed se3a....thats how much time I give it.

I meant l felm taba3 l shabeb hon... ;) (I didn't even bothered to watch the video! :lol: :P)

ba3ref... ana fhemtak... ba3teeha se3a 7atta ybalesh el 2was!

Ya Allaa...:ohno: ba3ed se3a?!!! tayyeb la 2oom 7adder l popcorn men halla2. already khallaston hawdi! :P (I was so excited...hahaha)

teehee you should mention Nasrallah tayel2ato l Radar taba3 Jader.

azdek ali saleh! :p

howe 3al 7altein 2owleh nasrallah 3 marrat w wa7ad menhon byetla3 w be3ayet lal tenneh. W be wojood 7addan min march 8, ella ma kamen tla2eh 7addan min march 14 eja....enno its not hard, manna she tabkhet mfat2a... ma bedha te7reek kteer. Bel 3aks, kteer sahle.

Ana betsawwar biballesh Chevre, w ba3den balki Jader biredd...w ekher shi melkart...w hon, bitoll 7ada teni la y2ammen support la Jader! Bas haidi mesh aktar men tawa2o3at...Nshalla ma ytawlo! :no:

tab dakhelkon.... tletetna wa2feen bel EAYOR natreen, w ma 3am netkhana2... ma be seer ellet 2adab.... 7adan yekhla2lo she mowdoo3 heike 7ame?:gunz:

lol awlak.. yalla test:

Nasrallah, Jader, Chevre and Melkart walked into a bar...
ey ey hot!


Beiruti, I am proudly trolling this thread.

LOL...ne7na bas 3am ndayye3 wa2et la yekhlaso l di3ayet...enno ana baddi e7dar l felm, ma baddi massel fih, bas if u insist (tnaynetkon): Popsi, lei baddek t7atti Nasrallah ma3 l shabeb, he's not a member of the forum?! :mad: (bideyet mashkal ana w popsi :P)

Nasralla.. he wants to give peace a chance.. w Jader.. he is a huge fan.. he just needs an autograph.. plus.. Netanyahoo will join, bass he is waiting a missed-call from Assad so that they and Najad arrive together, groupiess! :happy:

ya 2elahi ya popsi... hal tamdeen al waqt ma3 el 3adoo... ana atahemoki ayatoha al balha2 ! ( ana be film mdablaj... w sorry 3al kilmet balha2... nfa3alet bil dor)

:O AH ! bilahi 3alayk.... Hal 3alayka an takoun bi hazi l daraja men l safala Fernando?... Guadalupe ..:ohno:

WOW 3ala shi qombli bi hal bar ya popsi! (bas ma ykoono l shabeb taba3 l forum)...Akeed bisakker l EAYOR, cuz we will have peace then...enno, tabbbaaaaann! (kamen maxiki :P)

Ana lasto el safel ayatoha al kha2ena! ... Kaffaaa! Anti lasti al wa7eeda allati ladayha asdeka2 fe alkhafa2... ajal... ana 2aydan at7adath ma3 ra2ees turkeya 3abr el sms ... wa 2aydan 3abr el skype. fa howa wa3adane be sawareekh 3adeeda! ha ha ha.


hathih khotato salam fashela! (FAJA2NAKEH MOOOOO)

WOW 3ala shi qombli bi hal bar ya popsi! (bas ma ykoono l shabeb taba3 l forum)...Akeed bisakker l EAYOR, cuz we will have peace then...enno, tabbbaaaaann! (kamen maxiki :P)

yii man why didnt you remind me! kenet 3azamet Geagea w Aoun w l erta kella! :( khata2 taktiki.

Ana lasto el safel ayatoha al kha2ena! ... Kaffaaa! Anti lasti al wa7eeda allati ladayha asdeka2 fe alkhafa2... ajal... ana 2aydan at7adath ma3 ra2ees turkeya 3abr el sms ... wa 2aydan 3abr el skype. fa howa wa3adane be sawareekh 3adeeda! ha ha ha.


hathih khotato salam fashela! (FAJA2NAKEH MOOOOO)

hihi mobtade2.

Esma3 ya anta... Ana ataghada 3end l ra2ess l sini w ata3asha 3end l russi.. wa laken.. anta mobtade2 .. wa lan a7kom 3layka l 2an.. bel3akes.. eza indamamta ila l me7war.. yumkin an nuraje3 l 7elef lkadim.. 7elf "lbahlawniyin lmouta7idin".. wa na3mal li khayr l umma al bahlawaniya..fakker belmawdou3.

haaaa? anti tataghadeena 3end el sini, wa tata3asheena 3end el russi?.... kayf to7afethena 3ala rashakatoki...

hal min al momken 2an nazoor el ambasador el yabani... wa3adaneh fe 2aklata el sushi!? fa enaha latheetha w qaleelata el cholesterol?

P.S: Ma zelna ba3dna bil mexikeh
go176s11WJ8

7amatuka to7eboka ya lebnani, houwa 3ala yamini al an.. w na7no natanawal al sushi.. yalla endam ilayna. :laugh:


haha omg thats is just too much :lol: i quit lol

laqad fizt! MWAHAHA.

wow guys... I think this was the best political argument I have ever had!.... definitly EAYOR worthy. She kteer above 18.... w kamen bil mexikeh!

See Fadia at 0:11, this is EXACTLY me watching EAYOR...and my occasional interferences are exactly for her same reasons LOL...HILARIOUS video! I love slchi :)

Eh w popsi....yiiiii dakhlek dakhlek sharshour, baddek tense7bi wliiii....ma bsadde2! hahahaha

^^Akid la2 ya zippo, ehem...lebnani before you do ur victory dance.. fi jawle tenye akid, bass ba3ed l finals lol

J'attend

turnout in the north municipal elections as of 12 o'clock: batroun 20%, zgharta 18%, minye-diniyi 15%, tripoli 10%, akkar 28%, koura 20%, bsharre 20%

ministry of interior issued the turnout numbers as of now: minye-diniy 34%, zgharta 22%, akkar 35.5%, batroun 23.5%, koura 35.5%, bcharre 22%, tripoli 12.5%

^^ The Tripoli turnout is so low! and I was watching LBC and there reporting out of the worst areas of the city giving a negative image of Tripoli the first one was next to "Al Jisir" (the highway that takes you to Syria and is the equivalent of the Cola Intersection in Beirut) and the second report was from "Al Tebbeneh" which is the absolute poorest area in Tripoli, ya3ni cant they go to a normal part of the city instead of the worst?

Dahiyeh Locals Block Airport Road with Burning Tires to Protest Power Cuts

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/newsdesk.nsf/0/ec9b5e0fc95ba930c225773100677f0e/Body/0.82?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg

Tens of angry residents on Friday blocked with burning tires a public road leading to Beirut's Rafik Hariri International Airport for around two hours to protest power cuts in Beirut Southern Suburbs.
Agence France Presse reported that around 150 protesters gathered at a main roundabout on the airport's old road as a number of young people started setting rubber tires on fire to use them in blocking the road.

Witnesses told AFP that some protesters smashed the glass of a car that was trying to go through the blocked road before they were fended off by the security forces.

The Lebanese Army and the Internal Security Forces managed to open the road and disperse the protesters as the Civil Defense Department was called in to douse the tires that remained burning for more than two hours.

OTV reported that protesters blocked Beirut's Bir Hasan intersection with burning tires shortly after security forces managed to extinguish the burning tires on the airport road.

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/newsdesk.nsf/0/EC9B5E0FC95BA930C225773100677F0E?OpenDocument

^^ The power situation there is getting severe. This power problem truly portrays how all of our monarchy of politician families, are corrupt. Same names, Jumblatt, Harriri, Berri, Aoun, Geagea, etc...

Our government, and especially the wealthy municipality of Beirut have more then enough money to provide it's citizens with adequate power. These protests on a larger scale should of occurred well before the summer season. yani ktier heik. All of our politicians, and municipalities put all the money in their pockets, they can not just put a fraction of it towards, adequate road systems, beautification of streets, public parks, urban planning or a reasonable amounts of power supply. I am getting sick of the people toying with our brains; in the parliament. We have to demand, a government that domestically helps it people.

Anyone agree?

Why can't Hizbullah just build a few more power plants for Lebanon? They seem to have the most money, resources, vision and patriotism of any group in Lebanon.

so you destroy them? naaah we prefer to destroy your country, then build our power plants (:

Why can't Hizbullah just build a few more power plants for Lebanon? They seem to have the most money, resources, vision and patriotism of any group in Lebanon.

please stop spiting your stupidity here. In fact buddy, Hezbollah has build all of Southern Lebanon, and southern Beirut over 7 times. Created hospitals, schools, health care, and educational systems, and given people money after the war to buy any lost property. So excuse you for your grave ignorance; but what to expect; nothing new to your crusade onto this thread. ;)

leb fr your sig is very str8 to the point. I approve hihi :P

You are a sad person, please stop spiting your stupidity here. In fact buddy, Hezbollah has build all of Southern Lebanon, and southern Beirut over 5 times. So please stop talking.

But the power shortages aren't limited to southern Lebanon and southern Beirut. They affect places like Tripoli and Jouniyeh too. What about the people living in those areas? Why doesn't Hizbullah help its fellow Lebanese out?

so you destroy them? naaah we prefer to destroy your country, then build our power plants (:

Whatever. I get to enjoy my electricity 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

^^ Man what is wrong with you, Hezbollah has spend millions of dollars rebuilding broken houses, and doing all what i said here:

please stop spiting your stupidity here. In fact buddy, Hezbollah has build all of Southern Lebanon, and southern Beirut over 7 times. Created hospitals, schools, health care, and educational systems, and given people money after the war to buy any lost property. So excuse you for your grave ignorance; but what to expect; nothing new to your crusade onto this thread.

They can not afford to go fix places, that have not been destructed. They are not responsible for this stuff:
All of our politicians, and municipalities put all the money in their pockets, they can not just put a fraction of it towards, adequate road systems, beautification of streets, public parks, urban planning or a reasonable amounts of power supply

This is obviously our government, and only our governments job. That is the definition of a government. Hezbollah has already done enough and more than enough. I find this lecture incredibly offending coming from a Israeli.

funny how Hezbollah is responsible for the fighting and the government is responsible for rebuilding... Lebnen sherke halabiye? :laugh:

In fact buddy, Hezbollah has build all of Southern Lebanon, and southern Beirut over 7 times.

Really? From the earthquakes that drowned Beirut 7 times?

Chevre...FAIL...u'd better shut up becuz you are the ones who destroyed our power plants in 2006.

Jader....FAIL...the representative of the government in this issue (the minister of power) is Jibran Bassil! I thought u loved him...:P


sorry for the interference...carry on guys :popcorn:

funny how Hezbollah is responsible for the fighting and the government is responsible for rebuilding... Lebnen sherke halabiye?

Hey popsi if you read what i said, you would of realized i said Hezbollah rebuilded over 5 times, the government not even once. And Israel is responsible for the wide spread damage form 1982-2000. So I don't really get what you are trying to say. :)

Really? From the earthquakes that drowned Beirut 7 times?

Throughout the duration of the Israeli occupation(1982-2000) villages where destroyed over 5 times, in most cases 7 times, and reaching 10 times. This is what happened to my family's house in Khiam. We subsequently rebuild each time. I don't get your argument. Are you trying to say we do not have the right to rebuild our homes??

Jader....FAIL...the representative of the government in this issue (the minister of power) is Jibran Bassil! I thought u loved him...:P


I do not support anyone in the different monarchies that are in our parliament. They are all corrupt bastards that steal all of the money that is supposed to go to towards our country. We should let ourselves free from them. I swear when they all went to Doha, those where the days. Or the day. Thats what i said here: (:

The power situation there is getting severe. This power problem truly portrays how all of our monarchy of politician families, are corrupt. Same names, Jumblatt, Harriri, Berri, Aoun, Geagea, etc...

Our government, and especially the wealthy municipality of Beirut have more then enough money to provide it's citizens with adequate power. These protests on a larger scale should of occurred well before the summer season. yani ktier heik. All of our politicians, and municipalities put all the money in their pockets, they can not just put a fraction of it towards, adequate road systems, beautification of streets, public parks, urban planning or a reasonable amounts of power supply. I am getting sick of the people toying with our brains; in the parliament. We have to demand, a government that domestically helps it people.

Anyone agree?

sorry for the interference...carry on guys

:lol:

^^ Man what is wrong with you, Hezbollah has spend millions of dollars rebuilding broken houses, and doing all what i said here:



They can not afford to go fix places, that have not been destructed. They are not responsible for this stuff:


This is obviously our government, and only our governments job. That is the definition of a government. Hezbollah has already done enough and more than enough. I find this lecture incredibly offending coming from a Israeli.

Jader, YOU didn't read what I wrote. Clearly if people in Jounyeh and Tripoli also suffer from power outages, then the issue of building/rebuilding power plants isn't one that is exclusive to people living in South Lebanon/South Beirut.

Also, I don't buy this nonsense that Hizbullah "can not afford to go fix places" when they are somehow able to start wars that bring about this destruction in the first place. When they are the ones who are able to purchase votes from Lebanese voters at over $1000 a vote. When they are the ones who are able to build secreted communication networks and underground bunkers. When they are the ones who can build hospitals and schools and housing for their supporters. Does Hizbullah really represent the interests of Lebanon, of ALL Lebanese, or are its words hollow and without meaning?

It seems to me as an outsider that only some Lebanese benefit from Hizbullah; while others are left to clean up its mess.

^^ What the fu** do you not understand in what i have wrote up there. Are you blind buddy. Israeli terrorism is responsible for the epic destruction in southern Lebanon from 1982-2000. Hezbollah has rebuild ever time. Hezbollah is not responsible for building power stations in Al arz, or tripoli. You are arguing for the sake of arguing man. Stop when you still can. You are repeating yourself. Your knowledge of Internal Lebanese affairs, is extremely insufficient; and it is being portrayed in your poor arguments. In fact your arguments are preposterous, and I will not continue to argue with your ignorance. This is truly pathetic. Just stop arguing a dead cause.

Hmmm Chevre, not convincing...but keep trying... :popcorn:

(don't worry about me, am just thinking out loud...u proceed with confidence, as usual!)

Not at all, I was just kidding. Didn't mean to offend

^^ aaa than sorry for my outburst (:

The Interior Ministry had announced earlier in the day that turnout reached 16 percent in Tripoli as of 5 p.m. :cripes: Did anyone in Tripoli even bother to vote?

From Haaretz newspaper.
By Therese Abou-Mrad

My SLA

I am not prepared to accuse the State of Israel for everything that has not been successful in my life, but it bothers me, as an Israeli-Lebanese youngster, to hear stories in the media that present only the painful angle and ignore the successes.

My name is Therese Abou-Mrad. I am a student of Political Science and Public Policy at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. I live in Kiryat Shmona and my mother tongue is Arabic. I have been in the State of Israel now for ten years; on the day that marks the withdrawal from Lebanon, it is possible to congratulate me, or to note my bad luck, because my father was a member of the South Lebanon Army.

About two weeks ago, I saw a report on Channel Two about the withdrawal from Lebanon. Those 12 minutes were packed with emotion. There is no doubt that the members of the SLA have suffered a great deal since May 2000, but I admit that the repeated descriptions about the feelings of bitterness are getting on my nerves.

My father was the former spokesman of the SLA, the governor and commander of a sector in south Lebanon. I grew up in a home that imbued me with the values of loving my homeland and defending my home, those values according to which my father acted in the South Lebanon Army. At the age of 10, I was torn away from my home, from the family and way of life I had known. I had to go to a new country and build a new life in a new society.

I chose to be a regular Israeli citizen. I finished my studies at the Danziger high school in Kiryat Shmona in the year following the Second Lebanon War. In its wake, I decided to do national service in my town. After making a contribution to the country, I went on to study political science at the Hebrew University as part of the program for outstanding students "Atidim - cadets for the public service."

Today, when I am already 21 years old, I refuse to say to the State of Israel: "you owe me something," or "you owe my father something." I have a great deal of criticism about the way in which the withdrawal was carried out by the Israel Defense Forces and the attitude toward the SLA members; there was a betrayal. But at the end of the day, I believe with all my heart that a person is responsible for his future. I chose to overcome the crisis I experienced at such a young age and to continue to grow after that. I have not given up my Lebanese identity for even one moment; I believe fully in the justice of the way my father chose and the decisions he made; but at the same time, I am not prepared to accuse the State of Israel for everything that has not been successful in my life.

During my first years here, I suffered from racism, because children can be very cruel. But when I explained to my friends in junior high why I spoke Arabic, they understood. There is no doubt that the first generation suffered as a result of the withdrawal and its implications, and that they suffered because of the cultural change; and the second generation, those my age, suffered the difficulties of becoming acclimatized and from post trauma.

Nevertheless, it bothers me, as an Israeli-Lebanese youngster, to hear stories in the media that present only the painful angle and ignore the successes. It bothers me to see such melodramatic and one-sided reports that try to play on the viewers' emotions so as to win a little more rating.

There is no doubt that it is important to relate that even today the SLA members do not live happily and peacefully. I grew up without a family since, except for my parents and brothers, everyone remained in Marjayoun. But it is also important to present the success stories of those who adapted to their new life. Moreover, my father and his colleagues fought for their aims, in order to defend their homes; it annoys me to hear former SLA members, as well as Israelis, claim that the SLA was set up in order to defend Israel. The SLA is my father's past, my past, and what made me what I am today.

Rating is important, but when it replaces the presentation of all the aspects, it is like a sharp knife that cuts twice - first it hurts me and my past and then it cuts into the guilt feelings of the Israeli public. That is a shame.

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I dont understand on what basis she thinks SLA-members fought for a good reason?
I mean most lebanese and israelis agree on that SLA was a puppet/buffert-organisation for the IDF. I thought this point was pretty clear.

It is really painful to see fellow lebanese going through all these hard times.. they should be given the right to come back home.

i just saw a documentary on Lebanon on M6 :
Liban business tourism and kalashnikov...
u can see the 2 faces of Lebanon: one that wants tourism, beauty, successful economy, freedom, peace,... and the other one = Hezbollah and the palestinians that want war, martyrs, israel obsession and hatred...

all that i can say is go make urs wars and ur radicalism elsewhere and let us live in peace...

Thank you! Ramazotti. Finally some sence.

:popcorn: Ballash el film w ne7na ma 3arfeen

all that i can say is go make urs wars and ur radicalism elsewhere and let us live in peace...

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

+1

About the SLA, weren't some members given the chance to return to lebanon.. and they did? Or am I confusing this with something else...

Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
Page last updated at 6:34 GMT, Monday, 31 May 2010 7:34 UK
E-mail this to a friend Printable version Turkish TV footage appeared to show Israeli troops on board
More than 10 people have been killed after Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of ships carrying aid to the Gaza Strip, the Israeli army says.

Armed forces boarded the vessels overnight, clashing with some of the 600 protesters on board.

The exact location of the interception is unclear. Israel had warned the ships not to enter its territorial waters.

The ships are carrying 10,000 tonnes of aid to try to break a long-standing Israeli-led blockade.

Israel says its forces were attacked by activists when they got on board.

"The people on the boats were very, very violent toward the soldiers," Israeli military spokeswoman Lt Col Avital Leibovich was quoted as saying by AFP news agency.

Organisers of the flotilla said at least 30 people were wounded in the incident.

Condemnation

An Israeli government minister, Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, was reported as expressing regret for "all the fatalities".

Turkey, one of whose charities is a main organiser of the flotilla, said it "strongly condemn[ed] these inhumane practices of Israel", AFP said.

Turkish TV pictures taken on board the Turkish ship leading the flotilla appeared to show Israeli soldiers fighting to control passengers.

The footage showed a number of people, apparently injured, lying on the ground. It is not clear whether the fighting is continuing.

Al-Jazeera TV reported from the same ship that Israeli navy forces had fired and boarded the vessel, wounding the captain.

The Al-Jazeera broadcast ended with a voice shouting in Hebrew, saying: "Everybody shut up!"

'Provocation'

The six-ship flotilla left international waters off the coast of Cyprus on Sunday and was expected to arrive in Gaza later on Monday.

Israel has said it would stop the boats, calling the campaign a "provocation intended to delegitimise Israel".

An economic blockade was imposed by Israel after the Islamist movement Hamas took power in Gaza.

Israel says it allows about 15,000 tones of humanitarian aid into Gaza every week.

But the United Nations says this is less than a quarter of what is needed. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/gaza.protest/index.html?hpt=T1


The sooner Turkey invades Israel by sea, the better!

Just heard on the radio: 16 dead.

And in Turkey crowds attack the israeli consulate!

And they revealed that the ship was attacked outside israeli territorial waters!

They are hiding everything: the ship is being brought to Haifa.

This is a Lebanese thread.... please post this elsewhere... we have enough internal problems to talk about :)

where do I have to post this then? It's not allowed to post this in any other news topic because this item is clearly political. And everything that happens in Palestine mostly effects the region, including Lebanon.

well I think the forum has unanimously agreed to try and discuss Lebanese topics only. I have posted a video about this in one of the threads in the 1001 nights thread. Or you can post this in an israeli thread. I am sure they are already defending it there.

there are 7 lebanese citizens on that ship so we are directly involved and IT IS OUR NEWS..

^^Where did you hear that?

^^ on the news, the head of the delegation Hani Sleiman is one of those wounded...

Lucky for them, they get free medical check-up in Israel and a free plane ticket back to Beirut (at my expense!).

^^ Lucky for u and ur government ur gonna be getting free VIP tickets to HELL, well I hope ur gonna enjoy the barbecue there!

http://www.al-akhbar.com/ar/node/191749

Don't bother to reply Chevre, cuz ur gonna be talking to the elbow because ur not even worth stretching...(to talk to the hand!)

there are 7 lebanese citizens on that ship so we are directly involved and IT IS OUR NEWS..


Yil 3an aboohon 3ala ikht...


btw, this was only early on in the day before things got worse


xFEBbDkyrqQ

Yesterday I went with my dad to a friends house, the man is a Christian 14 azar
il mohim, we started to talk about Lebanese history, ya3ne everything from the civil wars, to the war with Israel, everything
it was pretty cool to hear both views,
like they were talking about il 7areb bein il ishtirakiye ou amal,
and when this all started, they were both in different parts of Lebanon , so it was cool to see how things were happening in different parts of the town, you had two angle points
my dad, in his talk of politics, stayed neutral, but at times leaning a little towards Hezbollah saying that “iza aloole ikhtar bein 7ezbollah ou Israel, la2, ra7 koun ma3 7ezbollah miye bil miye”
and this Christian man, he was totally against anything that was called Syria, and so on and so forth
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As Lebanese, we shouldn’t talk about politics, the way the sects in Lebanon are layed out, the way everything is currently organized, a sect is bound to go to a specific party, so an argument is inevitable. But when it comes between your country and a foreign force, we as Lebanese should unite together, there is no need for a debate on this. Sadly, this page is a tad bit disappointing seeing how so many people are more friendly with Israeli users than pro Hezbollah ones.
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Btw, why is 7arb il 3alamein (two flags) called this way?

Lucky for them, they get free medical check-up in Israel and a free plane ticket back to Beirut (at my expense!).

Lucky for the Palestinians, you have them starving, and you want "peace" with them, but your policies only move to radicalize their hate towards you even more. There is no debate over this, you steal their land, and then deprive them of food. Did you expect them to greet you guys with open arms when you invaded and killed their family members? Now don't complain that they are always attacking "your" country.

^^ Lucky for u and ur government ur gonna be getting free VIP tickets to HELL, well I hope ur gonna enjoy the barbecue there!

http://www.al-akhbar.com/ar/node/191749

Don't bother to reply Chevre, cuz ur gonna be talking to the elbow because ur not even worth stretching...(to talk to the hand!)

I don't believe in hell.

I don't believe in hell.

Yes, because you're a chosen one. You could make the lives of the Palestinian's a living hell and still go to Heaven.

Yes, because you're a chosen one. You could make the lives of the Palestinian's a living hell and still go to Heaven.

I don't know what that means. But if there's a heaven on earth, it might as well be Tel Aviv. Best city in the world. :cheers: