Glasgow looks outstanding

No, wiggles, if you follow my sketch you see that the Georgian Blythswood datum sets the bar for the rest of the city centre, and Blythswood Hill only takes up a section of the north west corner of the city centre so in actual fact the majority of the city centre is composed of Victorian Blocks which reach up to, but rarely beyond, that datum. 20th and 21st century additions go taller, but are less common as we have a huge City Centre Outstanding Conservation Area which obviously protects the historic buildings and sets height restrictions in the topographic trough in which most of the CC lies.

Its all very complicated, the best way to get your head round it is to go to Glasgow and look for yourself :)

^^You have to realise Wiggleyleeds can't read maps. Anyone with at least a basic understanding of maps can see that the blythswood area is largely peripheral to the centre.

Well anyway those pics sum up Glasgow to a tee :drool: post 'em on this thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=834628 [/endshamelessplug]

He's just at the wind-up :) You are a one Wiggley ;)

edit: help yourself Delerium (preferred your old name btw) :)

^^pretty much everyone preferred the old one. :cry:

Change it back!

I like your new name, maybe you are Ladyhawke in disguise?:yes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN8HwUxFouM&feature=PlayList&p=9853F4ECA9F08CC8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

^^You have to realise Wiggleyleeds can't read maps. Anyone with at least a basic understanding of maps can see that the blythswood area is largely peripheral to the centre.

the reason i looked at a street near st enoch square, is because when i looked at numerous views bang in the centre of the densest grid like parts.. such as the cross roads between west george st and welling street, i got low rise, town street like views

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=argyle+street&sll=55.859394,-4.252127&sspn=0.002535,0.006309&g=glasgow&ie=UTF8&ll=55.862808,-4.260442&spn=0.002679,0.010386&z=17&layer=c&cbll=55.862844,-4.260652&panoid=Lv1hzDyVoC6FRnpTtOtsOw&cbp=12,269.37971119457995,,0,5

and fear not, i wont rise to your usual childish personal attacks :)

ok, so near the top of Blythswood Hill, just below Blythswood Sq. Now click on your link, turn round 180degrees and click forward (thats east) 4 times :)

^^ but doing what you suggested and carrying on moving forward to the next cross roads, its back to low rise again. but its still nice views anyway.. and i do particularly like the links you posted earlier on of the select specific higher rise grid blocks

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Indeed Crusty, those shots of Manchester are just awesome - that street is spectacular.

And a fine selection of Glasgow pics you posted too - there were a couple of real belters in there, haha :)

Like Huddersfield. I don't often laugh at stuff like that, but by gum you crack me up Wiggley.

If it isnt Manchesters grandest the it is its most unique, not much architecture (especially collectively) looking like that in the country. Manchester does have a unique style (or maybe its the building materials) in places.

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Nice! :cheers: it's pretty difficult to screen dump with those kinds of pics so I appreciate them from that point of view too ;) :yes:

nice one crusty, some superb views there mate, makes me want to visit :okay:

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Is that Huddersfield?


Anyway, have a nice picture of Brindley.... Place in that there Brummyland.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/john_Birmingham/24th%20March/DSCF2844.jpg

Pic by Bureau des etrangers

^^ smashing pics of glasgow there. Now *they're* the types of pics I expected to see.



Is that Huddersfield?


lol :P


obviously not, but the links originally posted by crusty, much of which was the more low rise elements of the grid, *did* look quite similar to huddersfield. Clearly these ones dont.

Crusty, is there some way of saving photos of the streetscapes? or i'm a just a fud?:lol:

Bloody hell, Crusty. That is some top work:drool: I don't think I've ever stood still in the city centre and just appreciated how good it is.

Bloody hell, Crusty. That is some top work:drool: I don't think I've ever stood still in the city centre and just appreciated how good it is.

don't be so cheesey :lol:

I'm serious. Didn't appreciate half those streets just floating around the city centre taking everything for granted. Seeing the stills you can take in the detail etc.

I'm serious. Didn't appreciate half those streets just floating around the city centre taking everything for granted. Seeing the stills you can take in the detail etc.

ah furry nuff, I know what you mean.

phew. there i've got google earth photos out of my system for cambridge.

cambridge... most of the good stuff you need to be on foot to see. a lot more so than most cities.

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-1 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-2 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-3 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-4 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-5 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-6 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-7 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-8 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-9 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-10 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-11 copy.jpg

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http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-14 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-15 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-16 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-17 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-18 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-19 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-20 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-21 copy.jpg

http://www.nickgrayson.net/ssc/cambridge%20google%20earth/Untitled-22 copy.jpg

^^utterly shit weather. :ohno:
i wouldn't even consider shooting in that weather unless there was an event.

It's actually quite suitable weather :yes: the quality tends to look bleached when it's outright sunny weather.

It's actually quite suitable weather :yes: the quality tends to look bleached when it's outright sunny weather.

Agree! Harsh sunlight makes those type of shots too contrasty, and you end up losing details in the bright glare and harsh shadows. The soft diffuse light of an overcast day is good for these kind of shots.

you guys are right. this is because they have no control over whether or not they are shooting into the sun. i just think they could have waited for a teency bit more sun though. :)
it's a pity they didn't do HDR but then i guess they'd need 12 cameras.

anyway i'm voting for bath.

obviously not, but the links originally posted by crusty, much of which was the more low rise elements of the grid, *did* look quite similar to huddersfield. Clearly these ones dont.

Correction, the links *Wiggley* posted showed *some buildings* from the *Georgian Blythswood New Town* in the Glasgow City Centre Outstanding Conservation Area that were similar to *some buildings* in Huddersfield :)

Comdot, I agree, a bit of sun would have helped (half of Glasgow was miraculously done on a sunny day!!) but its no great shakes really. Good stuff :)

I like how he posted those links as if it was something detrimental. Oh no, a Georgian new town!:lol:

:lol: Run for the hills! No wait - I'm on top of one!!!

:lol: Dirty bitch. Was liking the sketch showing the drumlins by the way. Tidy. Would be nice if the usual suspects put up or shut up. I'd rather see pictures of cities than see them continually try to augment ridiculous critiques or their constant nefarious posts. Sigh.

Indeed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/cristy_bunt/stewie_top_hat.jpg

:lol:Glad we agree, old chap.

:lol: Dirty bitch. Was liking the sketch showing the drumlins by the way. Tidy. Would be nice if the usual suspects put up or shut up. I'd rather see pictures of cities than see them continually try to augment ridiculous critiques or their constant nefarious posts. Sigh.

Probably because they can't? Unless you happen to find these (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=leeds&sll=51.442492,-2.564853&sspn=0.012519,0.054073&ie=UTF8&ll=53.774087,-1.549587&spn=0.001484,0.006759&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=53.773507,-1.5492&panoid=zUBi85GklQQk8ppYYrydiQ&cbp=12,181.28651244847273,,0,-0.07142857142856823) attractive... though I guess if I lived in the city with the ugliest and most depressing housing and neighbourhoods in the nation I'd wanna annoy people who lived in nicer places too.

Well anyway have a tour around Gorgeous Clifton (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=&g=Bristol&ie=UTF8&ll=51.454889,-2.621784&spn=0,359.995279&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.454562,-2.622474&panoid=o4CCYl4j7wf3KblvvuUOWw&cbp=12,189.08034240784653,,0,-7.988636363636362) to get over the trauma of the previous link.

You gonna give us some of that Bristol magic, bro? God I love that city. I'd really love to spend a good year down there.

I'd like to spend a year your way too, house swap? (bear in mind I live in a crappy area) oops getting a bit too chummy :shifty:

edit: see previous post for some Brizzle magic :yes:

Edinburgh, without a doubt.

Not really. The Old Town is quaint but little more than one long low-rise street with a few wynds off it. The New Town is handsome but très ordinaire for a Georgian district.

Embra velly, velly pritty pitty. But not great streetscape

You live in Glasgow. Look around.

Not really. The Old Town is quaint but little more than one long low-rise street with a few wynds off it. The New Town is handsome but très ordinaire for a Georgian district.

Embra velly, velly pritty pitty. But not great streetscape

You live in Glasgow. Look around.

I do like Glasgow, but I'm a big fan of the sense of history you get from Edinburgh. However, Inverness arguably beats them both:

http://neil.fraser.name/writing/bridges/photos/isle2.jpg

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/13/67/136784_4f9a99dc.jpg

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/16/72/06/high-street-pedestrianized.jpg

http://www.uhi.ac.uk/home/uhi-campuses/eo/NessWalk.jpg/image_preview

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/RiverNess_InvernessCastle.jpg ([CLICK HERE])

You, Sir, are a mad man! Although, not having been to Inverness I do hear that it is rather nice.

Edinburgh, without a doubt.

from the list given. of all the uk cities i would say bath.

Not really. The Old Town is quaint but little more than one long low-rise street with a few wynds off it. The New Town is handsome but très ordinaire for a Georgian district.

Embra velly, velly pritty pitty. But not great streetscape

You live in Glasgow. Look around.

I used to think that but ive basically been living up there for the past year and it's great. i dont care much for the royal mile or princes street, one's a tacky tourist trap and the other is an old residential street fundamentally unsuited to shopping, though there's plenty of architectural gems on both. Edinburgh is also vertically layered due to the topography, so while some of the buildings may seem low rise from royal mile or george IX bridge, that is only one facade, there may be a further 5 storeys exposed when you look at the same building from another angle. Also the new town is a world class piece of urban design (once you're firmly away from princes st, that is).

what i like more is that the integrity of the historic streetscape and the density is maintained over long stretches with many different urban villages each with their own vibe, from Leith in the north to Morningside in the south, from Gorgie in the west to Portabello in the east. also the city as a whole has a ridiculous profusion of grand & monumental architectural set-pieces which is needed when building with dour granite.

Correction, the links *Wiggley* posted showed *some buildings* from the *Georgian Blythswood New Town* in the Glasgow City Centre Outstanding Conservation Area that were similar to *some buildings* in Huddersfield :)

You appear to have misrepresented me there.

My first post on this matter said I was having trouble finding the "dense urban grid streetscapes" of glasgow on streetview, and that a lot of the streets I was looking at within the grid looked like town streets. I asked if you could suggest some good streets to view (ie dense urban grid pics that I had come to expect of what glasgow would like like).

You then gave links to these photos...


http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/1.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/2.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/3.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/4.jpg

I replied with:

I'm left quite underwhelmed from the links you have given, wich do not look anything out of the ordinary from many other cities, or medium sized towns like huddersfield

and I posted some subsequent pics of huddersfield showing this, such

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2111/1854490618_297e49b2ed.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2256/1715552711_b0161d11de.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1017/555838892_4df5211915.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/3335404792_3b6a243312.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2248/1528517131_1669521890.jpg


This prompted you to post some streetview images that *do* live up to what I had expected parts of the grid to look like in glasgow, which I willfully pointed out after you posted those pics. There was nothing unreasonable or objectionable in my comments, and doesnt give some arseholes carte-blanch to make their predicatable stupid troll-like comments like this to point out just one:

though I guess if I lived in the city with the ugliest and most depressing housing and neighbourhoods in the nation I'd wanna annoy people who lived in nicer places too.


And finally, the initial sentiments of my original post on this matter still hold true.. contrary to what I had believed, or been led to believe, a lot of the grid in glasgow is actually low rise market-town-like georgian streetscapes where that urban-city feel doesnt exist, it is infact only some sections of the grid that have that urban-city feel. My previous understanding was that the whole grid was all dense urban city feel. And before anyone starts again.. there is nothing "bad" about these more tranquil and quite pretty areas of the grid, and as seen, market towns like huddersfield that still have that feel too are really very nice.

No wiggley, look at page 161 of this thread and you will see that you were the one who posted links showing the Blythswood New Town, which occupies one small quartier of the square mile of Glasgow City Centre. I'm not misrepresenting anyone or anything. The pictures I have posted throughout this thread aren't made up and speak for themselves. The links I posted on pg 161 were an overview showing the diversity of streetscapes, and I apologise if I didn't follow your instructions verbatim, but I've given you plenty to satisfy yourself with since.

If you want to compare Glasgow to Huddersfield then by all means help yourself, but you are just embarrassing yourself.

No wiggley, look at page 161 of this thread and you will see that you were the one who posted links showing the Blythswood New Town

The point is, Blythwood New Town is part of the grid - and as said, I assumed the whole grid was city like - when infact much of it isnt. I appreciate you say Blythwood New Town is only a small part of the grid.. but, as said before, a lot of pinpoint clicks on the map of the grid in all diferent areas brings up similar streets.

If you want to compare Glasgow to Huddersfield then by all means help yourself, but you are just embarrassing yourself.

Why embarressing? Significant parts of the grid do look like places like huddersfield as shown. That doesnt mean "glasgow looks like huddersfield"... it means exactly what I said..signifcant parts of the grid are not actually urban-city-like but infact quite georgian-town-like quite similar to market towns like hudds.

But thats not what you've been saying, now you're misrepresenting yourself. I'm not going round and round with you again wiggley, I've done that too many times on this thread already and I don't like repeating myself. Make what assumptions you will, but they only display a paucity of thought and understanding that, well, that I've come to expect from you when it comes to the subject of Glasgow.

Just as well for you that you're good looking...

Oh dear, get over it, wiggley. To say the georgian New Town isn't city like is absurd, it's still denser than the majority of parts other city centres in the UK. Fact. I've got some good pics of Leeds coming, right in the heart of the city centre too:)

^^ crikey i've never seen someone so rattled about some very legitimate comments, move on :)

anyway, heres another one of huddersfield.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1336/1070835021_014649a3e9_b.jpg

If it wasnt for the rainy cloudy weather that hudds gets for being up in the penines, i'd move there!

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OK Wiggley, I see where you are coming from here, but your comparisons are erroneous. If you look more carefully at the pictures you have posted, and then compare them to any picture of Glasgow on this thread, you will notice that the styles of architecture and street formation are clearly different.

Sure, the scale may be similar in some areas, but that is a moot point - there are areas of Manhattan where the buildings are only two stories tall: would you then claim that because of the similar scale, Manhattan reminds you of Huddersfield?

Stylistically, Huddersfield and Glasgow are words apart - their influences, history and current status are profoundly different. Just because the scale is similar in some areas, it shouldn't "remind" you of another arbitrary city with which you can draw ill advised comparisons. If you were thinking properly, you would have drawn further similarities with Huddersfield and parts of Edinburgh (at the very wildest of pushes), and not Glasgow.

Finally, and because neither you or I are stupid, stop trying to annoy people for the hell of it. You made your point a while back. No one likes reading the same things over and over again. Concentrate on what you are good at: posting nice pictures of Leeds.

Nice to see the Paisley shots. Makes a change from the 10,000 shots of Sauchiebleedinhall street we're usually fed from our northern brethren.:wink2:

Paisley does indeed favour a large Pennine mill town.

Probably because it used to be a mill town.

Famous for sewing thread. (Coates)

It's a load of bobbins now though.

^^Is Leeds or Manchester the least attractive of the mill towns, however?

^^ yawn.

i like this picture best

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2388/2506325579_3be694911a_b.jpg

I didnt realise paisley was so proper-town like. I always assumed it would be quite an unsightly urban area of greater glasgow - with concrete and retail parks, rather than actuallly quite a pleasent distinct town. nice pics

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Abby on the left, town hall on the right

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/robinsonworld/Scotland/Scans021.jpg

Possibly a view up the hill Wiggles likes

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/robinsonworld/Scotland/Scans024.jpg

^^ nice pics - and *you* took them en all i can tell :P

is there anywhere you havn't been lol

Only your ma

Inverness. Cornwall. Brighton err.. a couple of other places.

^^Is Leeds or Manchester the least attractive of the mill towns, however?
Well, aren't you just a little ray of sunshine.

I suppose Formby is high on the list of 'attractive' seaside towns then?

Didn't think so...

I suppose Formby is high on the list of 'attractive' seaside towns then?


Yes. Formby is beautiful. You're ugly. Think on.

Formby's quite nice and has got red squirrels. That's a good thing.

Yes. Formby is beautiful. You're ugly. Think on.
Your mam didn't think so...

You bummed Sloyne.

The Formby area is beautiful,I can't believe someone would suggest otherwise.There's certainly no shortage of people from your neck of the woods on the beaches in the Summer.I haven't got any pictures from the Formby suburbs but it's my favourite place to watch the Sun go down in the Summer months.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9375/b5hq0.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2272/b3ge8.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7118/a9wd0.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7130/a8yv4.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/133/a5tk2.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/181/a3ge8.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5193/matthewbeddowcouksunsetwk8.jpg

This one's not mine.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4572/golfmain9gn.jpg

and I found this one a while back.

That's true Paul. Miles lurks in dune slacks and whacks off. I wish he's go away! :cry:

That's true Paul. Miles lurks in dune slacks and whacks off. I wish he's go away! :cry:
You've been spying on your hero again :cool:

Btw, Sloyne wasn't as good as your mam...

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Great pictures (if a little excessive :) ) i think its one place where the uk excells in some really good suburbs

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Check this thread out about bristol, really show how beautiful Bristol is

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=823040

^^
agreed cardiff . . . Mikey's a hero at representing Bris. Whenever I'm homesick I check in with his thread!

. . . and if you were to do Cardiff the same honour and post some pics I would love to check it out too :)

Busty Clint killed the internet! Took ages to load up this page

this one is by sam the sham and the photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/samthesham/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3656/3423963880_8f4bc1f803_b.jpg

. . . and if you were to do Cardiff the same honour and post some pics I would love to check it out too :)

Here is one i made earlier

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=630208

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j217/hellagood88/Album%207/P1020784.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j217/hellagood88/Album%207/P1030011.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j217/hellagood88/Album%207/P1030163.jpg

Nice photos Kyle. Dunno if anyone'll find them amongst all crusty's though ;)

I love the middle one.

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I love the last one.

Liverpool (from the top of the Anglican Cathedral)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2328/2272838410_60127f937f_o.jpg

John Kennan (http://www.flickr.com/photos/john_kennan/2272838410/in/pool-52242121198@N01)

Liverpool - Canning Street

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/2559650428_0c37b257da_b.jpg

Swan of Kennet (http://www.flickr.com/photos/enitharmon/2559650428/)

Cardiff, outside Millennium stadium

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3407022726_8f750968d6_b.jpg

Queen Street

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3406541307_78e8f94de4_b.jpg

1 Callaghan square arcade

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3383050372_56507d65c1_o.jpg

Senedd on left, pierhead on right

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3393270894_6246eaf4e3_b.jpg

Castle

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3410464980_d15b40805d_b.jpg

Bland student apartments

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/2925594680_82a4ee89f5_o.jpg

City hall flowers

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3443219923_89a1d0126d_b.jpg

Market in the bay

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3438127397_1acff291bf_o.jpg

National museum gardens (Gorsedd gardens)

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3438092295_c3c18c224f_b.jpg

Queen street

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3433960427_d928db9368_b.jpg

Queen street

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3404295676_be7055a46f_b.jpg

Pool

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/2905244225_b912d0c194_o-1.jpg

Queen street

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3426140296_91671ec9e2_b.jpg

By jingo.

Hmmmmmmm... :naughty:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3433960427_d928db9368_b.jpg

Accura, that's just perverted... I mean... Baby GAP!

that girl in the white has been at the ol' St-Tropez spraytan... no way it's been gained through the blazing sunshine of Preston anyway!

Well seeing as its Queen street in Cardiff it could be the blazing sun of Barry island!

Cardiff definitely has the best streetscape. :yes:

Cheers id say it wasnt the best in the UK in that it isnt the best of any style or cohesion (like Bath or York), but it really is ONE of the best in terms of mix of styles, maintenance, monuments and general atmosphere for the pedestrian, a real good all rounder. The compactness / density of the center also makes it not seem too much, your not far away from anything you could want in the city while still feeling like you live in an important one.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3460760212_33780099ab_b.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3380474926_5c02f80b8e_b.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3456615302_ddb8847b81_b.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/3459678137_d4b9158d6b_b.jpg

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Um... I think he was saying it was the best in terms of cleavage...

^ Yep.

Even that dirty bitch of a statue is showing her panties.

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Morgan arcade

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from Coconutmacaroon:

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Just wandering around town and it was too nice and sunny not to be taking pictures.

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Very nice, rather enjoyed that. Made something similar that I put up on youtube, a stop motion video of Bradford City Centre and a bus ride out to the sounds of Radiohead's 15 Step:

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Best choose HD if it'll work, try adding &fmt=18 to the coding if not.

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I love the dark stone houses of Lancashire and Yorkshire like those in photo one, they're so charming.

P.S. If I ever make enough money, the Canning area of Liverpool would be top of my house hunting list.

Liverpool

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Liverpool

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/23096512@N02/2235256328/


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Liverpool

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Is that really my city? Looks good!


John Lewis, Radisson hotel and Cardiff's new library forming a fresh-faced trio at the south end of the Hayes:

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I thinking this is looking fantastic:-

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Photo by T0M

I've enjoyed reading the WHOLE of this thread , I have realised how alike most cities look when it comes to the city centre and how gorgeous Liverpool can look:)

Thats a lot of reading! Yes, I love how ornate some of Liverpool's buildings are:)

Thats a lot of reading! Yes, I love how ornate some of Liverpool's buildings are:)

Sometimes it takes reading 169 pages of a forum (over 4 days and ignoring arguing men who secretly fancy each other) to realise how stunning parts of your birthtown are!

by The Atomic Clock (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisjohnclarke/)
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by the spyglass (http://www.flickr.com/photos/31826049@N05/)
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by Schricthism (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shricthism/)
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Pollok House, Glasgow
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^^ that looks lovely.

Found these good quality pictures of Liverpools new Pier Head, by murkenkeld (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8230852@N06/) on flickr.

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Looking at pictures of this area before i was going to say it was quite sterile (with all the white) but it seems they were just missing out the grassy areas which add real contrast to the white of the buildings and add some life to the area.

Sorry it's a GIF. Doesn't work with IMG/bracket's.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tootdood/3550607163/

i hate it when they do that. i've learned how to hack it though.. when you're on the flickr page click the image before it on the browser thing on the right. Then right click the thumbnail of the image you want in the same panel and get that code, you get something like this

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remove the _s and voila:

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that spaceball thing is that they've blocked giving the image code away. still it has to be in the public domain to be seen so, meh.

Oh and that landscaping at Pier Head is absolutely stunning. Love the continuity in colour, would be good with larger/greener palm trees breaking up the road/floor line in the background.

i hate it when they do that. i've learned how to hack it though.. when you're on the flickr page click the image before it on the browser thing on the right. Then right click the thumbnail of the image you want in the same panel and get that code, you get something like this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3313/3550607163_27216b46b2_s.jpg

remove the _s and voila:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3313/3550607163_27216b46b2.jpg

that spaceball thing is that they've blocked giving the image code away. still it has to be in the public domain to be seen so, meh.


cheers, didn't know that! You learn something new everyday! I've just worked out how to get the big version, add _b on the end, or rather, swap the _s for _b


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:D

Oh and that landscaping at Pier Head is absolutely stunning. Love the continuity in colour, would be good with larger/greener palm trees breaking up the road/floor line in the background.

I agree.... about the palm trees!


I like the building that you posted up.

i'm going a bit mental here, but i'd love a mountain just to the north where Leeds st joins the Strand. :shifty: y'know like barca -

http://www.ihes.com/bcn/spanish/images/blog/seafront0262.jpg

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fuck look at all those chimneys on montjuic, don't tell monkey.

:lol:

perhaps we could shift one of the welsh ones up a bit?

is Bidston Hill not enough? It doesn't have a cable car but theres a bus stop near there. :)

actually, they could just make that massive scap mountain in Clarence dock even more massive?

i'm going a bit mental here, but i'd love a mountain just to the north where Leeds st joins the Strand. :shifty: y'know like barca -

http://www.ihes.com/bcn/spanish/images/blog/seafront0262.jpg

http://www.marmucommerce.com/Binaries/Binary8165/fa_ana_(nou_2)_copy.jpg

fuck look at all those chimneys on montjuic, don't tell monkey.

Looks like Llandudno through the looking glass...

I think i preffer Llandudno to Barcelona, just s shame it doesnt have the same liveliness and wealth!

Neville Southall resides there. Barcelona have never had a keeper that comes near him.

Neville Southall resides there. Barcelona have never had a keeper that comes near him.

Er....Pepe Reina aka Senor Golden Gloves.

Liverpool

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I think i preffer Llandudno to Barcelona, just s shame it doesnt have the same liveliness and wealth!

You are joking of course!
Barca is a fantastic vibrant city with culture and great buildings.You could never get bored there.
Llandudno is a typical windswept British seaside town with naff all to do.

No i found Barcelona quite a dirty and overated city, much better cities in Spain such as Madrid and Seville. Llandudno lacks Barcelonas vibrancy and wealth (as well as alot of other things!) but it does have style and grace and its not what i would call your average 'windswept' british seaside town.

^^ Agreed; Llandudno is an amazing example of a Victorian resort - I was quite stunned the first time I went there.

Seriously, there's no seaside waterfront like it in this country. And the pier is perfection. Then there's the beauty of its natural setting too, with the Great Orme looming over the town.

The comparison with Barcelona is tongue in cheek of course, and should be treated as such. No need to belittle Llandudno's genuine splendour in the process though.

Er....Pepe Reina aka Senor Golden Gloves.

He's a joke, saved by his defence.

Liverpool

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PBR, this is Best Present Streetscape. That was YEARS ago. ;)

PBR, this is Best Present Streetscape. That was YEARS ago. ;)


yous can do a blue version of that photo at the weekend, a sea of blue fans, scarves, hats, flags, using St Georges Hall the hills of North Wales as a fantastic backdop. ;)

It's close to our city region though isn't it,I'll be climbing Snowdon at the weekend because it's down the road,whereas Bristol isn't.:)

No i found Barcelona quite a dirty and overated city, much better cities in Spain such as Madrid and Seville. Llandudno lacks Barcelonas vibrancy and wealth (as well as alot of other things!) but it does have style and grace and its not what i would call your average 'windswept' british seaside town.

Have you not noticed a thread with this 'dirt' thing Cardiff?

Most of the worlds greatest, alive, vibrant, vital cities are quite grubby. The sanitised ones are usually just for show. A little bit of dirt never did anyone any harm anyhow! :)

PBR, this is Best Present Streetscape. That was YEARS ago. ;)

Couldn't find a best future streetscape so I put it here.:|

Merchant City

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by http://www.panoramio.com/user/1692567

excellent!

Reminds me a bit of the old town in Montreal.

Thanks for the kind comments, I tried to look for something a bit different from the normal Glasgow pics:)

Merchant City could be a great district (it well be now, haven't been for a few years), great old buildings and new additions on the proper street layout.

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I spent friggin hours waiting for that seagull to get in the just the right spot of the frame. :shifty:

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Last Wednesday, very quick visit. I'm back home now.

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Feck orf!

It was bright sunshineee in Eng-er-lund, hit Scotland and it starts weeing down, get back to Eng-er-Lund and the sun comes out as soon as I hit the border.

No wonder you see so many miserable, broken down people in ScotchLand, what with all that drizzle, poor diet and bagpipes.







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I wanted a White Pudding one, but the didn't have any cuz it apparently contains Fruit, and "We dinna do all that soft shite Mon."


They had a Geordie working in the Chip shop for some reason...

Anyway, Best Streetscape? Glasgow, by miles.

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excellent picture of two shit buildings!

That lotus flower flare on teh cineworld reminds me though, isn't there a building in Glasgow designed on an Egyptian theme?

There's quite a few, by Alexander Thomson. He designed a lot of villas and commercial buildings in the city, mostly with Greek and Egyptian influences. He outwardly condemned Gothic architecture, and is believed by many to have been the last of the great Greek Revival architects. A lot of his work is surprisingly quite minimalist, which has lead to claims that he may have been a major influence on Frank Lloyd Wright. He probably has had a much deeper impact on Glasgow than Mackintosh, even though he is overshadowed by him.

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His greatest work (in my opinion) was his Queens Park church, but it was sadly destroyed by those bloody Nazis.

It's a really eclectic building
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His greatest work (in my opinion) was his Queens Park church, but it was sadly destroyed bythose bloody Nazis.

It's a really eclectic building
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Post war planners? ;)

Very nice buildings and an exquisite stone too :drool:

lol thankfully not. It's the only building of note that I can think of that was bombed. Apparently the ornate wood paneling and furniture sped up its demise:( Yes I generally prefer Blonde Sandstone over red:yes:

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Thanks lads, superb pics there. I think I may have been thinking of the Queens Park UP one, but looking through all of them pics just got me confused!

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gorgeous..


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^^ nice old architecture :)



some from Liverpool

four from cassini2008 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28411479@N08/)
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There is supposed to be a cafe/restaurant opening on the top of the ferry terminal
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this one from dangerous disco (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dangerous_disco/)
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Nice pics there. The leeds one is great, wiggs..



Yoshef. Any more of that little garden by the wapping warehouse? I have not been down there yet, but it looks quite interesting.

The Liverpool ones look great. Though I hate using the term it looks very continental.

why isnt london in the list!?

Parts of Spinningfields.

That just works so well on all levels. Great architecture and streetscape. http://www.flickr.com/photos/watsinho/

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Yoshef. Any more of that little garden by the wapping warehouse? I have not been down there yet, but it looks quite interesting.

couldn't see anymore To, its just by the bridge over Duke's dock, you can see it on google street view though:-

http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.399452,-2.990288&spn=0,359.990355&z=17&layer=c&cbll=53.399479,-2.990106&panoid=t71QwJikqVpyUKkNGl4Oxw&cbp=12,149.25,,1,3.4

wow wow wow

dont our cities look blimmin gorgoeous in the sun :)

the mixture of old and new in those liverpool and manchester pics is really lovely,and its so great to see people outside in cafes enjoying the sunshine.

I want me and the other half to have a weekend somewhere.. but in the uk for once.. and it's gonna be liverpool. Outside london, there is very few cities where you can go and be in tourist mode and spend a weekend which includes visiting lots of attractions.

Thanks yoshef. :)

Enjoy your visit to Liverpool, wiggs!

TWIGGY IS WATCHING YOU.

why isnt london in the list!?

Because there is an assumption that London would win it so incontestably that there remains only a debate over which UK city has the second best present streetscape. Which is what this thread is really about.

:lol:

noit sure what the best thread for this is, so here will do :)
by PaulCookPhotography (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulcookphotography)
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What actually is the craic with the permascaffolding Crusty?

wow wow wow

dont our cities look blimmin gorgoeous in the sun :)

the mixture of old and new in those liverpool and manchester pics is really lovely,and its so great to see people outside in cafes enjoying the sunshine.

I want me and the other half to have a weekend somewhere.. but in the uk for once.. and it's gonna be liverpool. Outside london, there is very few cities where you can go and be in tourist mode and spend a weekend which includes visiting lots of attractions.

Yep,i'll be visiting Liverpool in August. :cheers:

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gay pride? :dunno:

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clarence dock area

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leeds dole queue

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nice selection of pics there wiggley, i like the converted warehouses in the first pic.



A few more Liverpool pics

the benefits of moving the ferry terminal..
Alan Cookson (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alancookson/)
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picture by woody (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=37304882&postcount=2613)
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3588/3672829785_f8e52c889c_b.jpg

Here is one of Bradford ;)

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/3684606907_67e7588b31_b1.jpg

Spinnngfields. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jason_hindle/3691279174/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3628/3691279174_23e09dd4b3_b.jpg

Here is one of Bradford ;)

I see you picked the finest of images for it. A view from the other end of that street, Bridge Street:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1562/33712706587bb20e29b7b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/atoach/3371270658/sizes/l/

^^ wow

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/IsaacNewell/sun.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/IsaacNewell/Bridge.jpg

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Liverpool - Upper Duke Street

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s872 on Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon872/3652296674/in/photostream

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Glasgow is beautiful :yes:

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Look at the clutter!

:ohno:

^^ its not really excessive clutter, it is just the perspective of the photo whereby a very high zoom has been used that gives the effect of squashing a far distance view into a flattened image.

If you were to stand in the same position as where the photo was taken, and look with your own eyes, the real life view you would see would be quiet different and like the image below, and as u can see, there is now less clutter.

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^The church tower on the right looks brand new..what´s up with that?

It has recently been spruced up:yes:

If you were to stand in the same position as where the photo was taken, and look with your own eyes, the real life view you would see would be quiet different and like the image below, and as u can see, there is now less clutter.

If one section of the street isnt cluttered it doesnt mean the whole street isnt.

Pretty much all streets in UK are cluttered.The British just love clutter.The more the better but then even in wealthiest parts of the country theres no money (or maybe will) to maintain it - you have bent railings and signs many different types of bollard and lampost (On the same street and many of them not working btw).Also theres no distinction between roads and streets and no consistency what so ever.

Also look at Crustys last pic what on Earth is going on there?!Railings Traffic Lights CCTVs Signs those nasty florescent bollard thingies.Seriously.....


If we want our cities to look beautiful then we need to do this -

-Coloured asphalt looks tacky so ban it.Whats the point of it anyway?

-Dozens of signs on every street look ugly.Why not put all those signs on one pole?

-Many different types of bollards and street lamps.We need some consistency so just decide on one type of bollard and streetlamp ban the rest.

-Railings look ugly and make drivers careless ban them.

-Traffic Islands.Decide what is road what is street dont put traffic islands everywhere you can.

I believe that if we did all of the above not only our streets would look much more beautiful but I suspect we could even save some money too - the less clutter the less money and time we need to spend maintaining it.

This is how you do it -

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/059.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/076.jpg

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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/035.jpg

If one section of the street isnt cluttered it doesnt mean the whole street isnt.

Pretty much all streets in UK are cluttered.The British just love clutter.The more the better but then even in wealthiest parts of the country theres no money (or maybe will) to maintain it - you have bent railings and signs many different types of bollards and lamposts (On the same street and many of them not working btw).Also theres no distinction between roads and streets and no consistency what so ever.

Also look at Crustys last pic what on Earth is going on there?!Barriers Traffic Lights CCTVs Signs those nasty florescent bollard thingies.Seriously.....


If we want our cities to look beautiful then we need to do this -

-Coloured asphalt looks tacky so ban it.Whats the point of it anyway?

-Dozens of signs on every street look ugly.Why not put all those signs on one pole?

-Many different types of bollards and street lamps.We need some consistency so just decide on one type of bollard and streetlamp ban the rest.

-Railings look ugly and make drivers careless ban them.

-Traffic Islands.Decide what is road what is street dont put traffic islands everywhere you can.

I believe that if we did all of the above not only our streets would look much more beautiful but I suspect we could even save some money too - the less clutter the less money and time we need to spend maintaining it.



I agree with most of that. The railings are a pet hate of mine. They're used to force pedestrians into using crossings. Other European cities have lots of crossings and few railings, but in a typical British city there are fewer crossings, with lots of generic, grey, most of the time rusty railings to herd people like sheep to the crossings. The crossings are over the top too, big ugly traffic lights mounted on big thick grey poles.


Look how much clutter there is in this picture, roadsigns look really ugly from the back..

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Another pet hate of mine is the overuse of victoriana street clutter in this country . Its like a generic UK thing , you know, the black and gold stuff ,its everywhere, in almost all towns and cities and it's ugly

The Liverpool entrance to the Mersy tunnel is an abomination as far as clutter and signage goes.

^^ That looks like a high quality street despite the signs and clutter. Which is it?

Yoshef's pic? Victoria St, looking toward North John St

Cheers :okay:

I think our city centers are mooving away from this clutter and uniforming paving and signage, though there is an awful lot to change and it will take a long time, the result of which will probably be more ununiformity. The challanges also, as can be seen in Cardiff this exact moment is the disruption to traffic both pedestrian and vehicle along major routes (in Cardiffs case outside the castle), but the sacrafice is that there will be better layouts with uniform paving around the center and hopefully less clutter.

I would tend to agree- several cities are in the process of decluttering their streets. Some of this has come as cities move to more pedestrian friendly environments too.

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Just love the new paving in Cardiff, heres the hayes island using different paving materials to define the origional island

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9314963@N06/3732257708/

Its this paving that is transforming the whole of the the city centers paving and apeal(though other areas ie civic center, could be done as well).

It's a VERY busy motorway junction, and all things considered, I dont think it looks too bad.

Yes it looks bad.Take a look at those Hamburg pics I posted - all are busy roads and yet they arent cluttered.At least not as much as British roads.


As for St Vincent St, there's only so much you can do to keep lights and signs to a minimum on a street layout with multitudinous interchanges. Innit.


Other cities manage it just fine.

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Cardiff looks really nice!

How about some night ones. Cities always seem so much different at night- different activities, different atmosphere compared to the hustle and bustle of the day.

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Found a scanner at work and tried this. Taken at about 7am in September 1989. Couldn't think of anywhere else to put it.

Cardiff looks really nice!

It really is!

LEEDS

not really streetscapes but just some pics that caught my eye for being nice

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I think Bristol looks amazing - it definitely should have made it to the list.

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^^ Top totty crusty!


The Pier Head by Lee Carus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_caruso/)

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The new waterfront looks great . I am in Liverpool on Saturday, not been on the waterfront for a few years,hope its not pissing down.

Wasn't sure where to put this, but check these out for cool lighting. It follows you as you walk.

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Photo from Hella Good.

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Subtly avoided going all a out red.

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very nice. I like the lamps and the yellow wall!

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These are mine.Heres a few more -

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To me Cardiff is very much a mixed bag.Some great public spaces (Cardiff Bay Callaghan Square - if a bit dead) surrounded by no mans land.The Heol Eglwys Fair is especially ugly - filth clutter etc.
Cardiff really needs (as do all UK cities) to invest massively in public realm.Those pockets of niceness need to be sewn together with well designed and attractive pedestrian streets.Right now if you want to get there you have to pass some rather scary looking council estates and ugly viaducts.And thats not nice.

To be fair there is a hell of a lot of public realm improvements going on in Cardiff city centre at the moment - The Hayes, Park Place, Charles St, Mill Lane, Churchill Way, Working St, St Johns St and Bridge St have all been repaved in top quality paving and had lamps and seating completely replaced and harmonised.

The street you mention (in English St Mary St) is to be pedestrianised in 2010 once the bus routes have been reconfigured. This will get rid of the excessive clutter and smarten the place up a bit. Architecturally it's very nice as long as you look above the ground floor. In common with most British cities inappropriate and ugly shopfronts have been tacked on to Victorian and Edwardian buildings which is never pretty. The public realm in the Bay is for the most part top quality even if the architecture can be a bit variable.

To me you have hit the nail on the head re Cardiff's biggest issue - how to connect the Bay and the city centre coherently. At the moment there is a three quarter mile gap with very little in between except industry, a very scary council estate and a bland if inoffensive 'boulevard' which was built as part of the Bay regeneration but has been a bit of a disappointment. If Cardiff gets that right I think it will step up into the next league of British cities (Liverpool, Glasgow, Manchester etc). Unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon and joining the two areas will be an incremental process.

Nice photos by the way.

Heol Eglwys Fair aka St Marys street, work has already sarted at its southern end but they are still sorting out the norhtern end.

http://www.caerdydd.gov.uk/content.asp?nav=2870,4048,4188,5137&parent_directory_id=2865&pagetype=&keyword=

"Right now if you want to get there you have to pass some rather scary looking council estates and ugly viaducts.And thats not nice."

Well Lloyd George Avenue is the quickest route if a little dull and linear! The nicest way is along the river which to me is a lovely walk regardless of your destination, and i can see in your pictures (which were great BTW :) ) you walked along the dock which is also nice if again a little dull. Future plans for Havannah quay (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=508462) would link up the bay and center quite nicely but the economic situation means that will be along way off! It is a shame that the worst area by far in Cardiff seperates the center and bay and is completely unrepresentative of any other area in Cardiff, but this can be easily avoided and the psycological barrier of the railway line (ugly viaducts as you call them and only visable in one place) has been broken with Callaghan square (which is dead due to nothing being there, but retail/food is planned in the next phase).

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Superb pictures of belfast. The city hall, clock tower, and that flatiron-style pub look fantastic. :cheers:

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I hate these awful red-grey pavement stones they look ugly.

God, you are so negative lately El Greco!

This is nice -

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Granada_puerta_real.jpg

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the pavements I quoted are not.I just dont get why UK cant invest in the public realm and make sure everywhere looks nice instead of doing everything on the cheap.

As I said in another thread public realm is very very poor here.

I hate these awful red-grey pavement stones they look ugly.

Yeah I agree however the entire city centre is currently undergoing a huge scheme to replace and modernise the old pavements and street furniture. By mid 2010 it should something like this...

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Works as of August 2009 -

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That looks like good quality paving.

I hate these awful red-grey pavement stones they look ugly.

Agreed. Looks suburban.

Most paving like that around here (although it never really was widespread) has been removed now. Most of the pavements are pretty standard, as below. There is however an abundance of red road surfaces, especially around Park Row.

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I hate these awful red-grey pavement stones they look ugly.

I know what you mean. Most of Hull city centre is covered in them after the large scale pedestrianisation in the late 80s. Its a shame really as there is some really great architecture which is totally let down by the street furniture and paving that would be more appropriate on a driveway.

Whats even worse is that nothing has yet been announced about any future refurbishment, especially given the council said ages ago that public realm projects would be brought forward whilst the major developments were on hold.

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The huge light post in the background is a reminder of when this used to be a large road junction. Over 20 years since pedestrianisation it is still there:ohno:.

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Where its not red brick its yellow ones

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The red brick is just a result of a certain period of public realm works. I wouldnt see it as all bad as it has created alot fo the pedestrian areas we now have. I do agree it doesnt look very good anymore but alot of cities are replacing it with higher quality paving. Cardiff is replacing most of the city center paving with chinese granite.

I don't give a rat's arse what colour the pavers are, BELSHAFT Looks f**kin brilliant!!

Knock seven bells out of a lot of English 'streetscapes'...

The red brick is just a result of a certain period of public realm works. I wouldnt see it as all bad as it has created alot fo the pedestrian areas we now have. I do agree it doesnt look very good anymore but alot of cities are replacing it with higher quality paving. Cardiff is replacing most of the city center paving with chinese granite.

Is replacing.Ha whats taken them so long?

When it comes to public realm British cities are seriously lagging behind other European cities (see the links I posted).Now why is that?Its a serious question and not an attempt to diss Britain.

This country has some fantastic architecture but instead of showing it off like other countries it hides it behind clutter and other rubbish.

I don't give a rat's arse what colour the pavers are, BELSHAFT Looks f**kin brilliant!!

Knock seven bells out of a lot of English 'streetscapes'...

When the political desire and funding is in place, all sorts can be achieved

I dont think British cities are lagging behind our European counterparts, i have read some of your discussion on another thread about it El Greco and it seems you are comparing every city in the Uk with select cities of unequal status. Compare a Btitish city to its counterpart in a European country and it isnt bad, though i do agree that more needs to be done to improve our streetscapes, not to be better than anyone, just to be the best they can be for us. If you look at most cities in the UK (and alot of towns) there has been vast improovements to the paving, street furniture, signage etc but the expense of this means that it will be partly piece meal with the adavantage / disadvatage being that small cities can afford to repave a higher percentage of their streets and larger cities cannot.