look at all the funny people lol

brilliant pics. Probably some of the best ive seen of birmingham :)

well done. I love the ability to see all the people in those photos. Birmingham is a lot more multicutural than Leeds.

After posting Primark on The Headrow on another thead, I realised The Headrow doesnt feature on this thread. Surely The Headrow is one of the grandest streets in the north, maybe even the UK.

Seeing as theres a lack of pictures of the Allder's building (Broadgate) on The Headrow a the moment because its being renovated (therefore covered in scaffolding), there's a computer generated image of that building from the website.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/f9/Primark_Leeds_City_Centre.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Leeds_The_Light.jpg/800px-Leeds_The_Light.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2213/46068164af03af9e2brd8.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9595/72541247e9a1fe0bf6wc9.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6707/15558449349cefe0edfrr8.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/466/2805336828192b0355bqc5.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7760/639769133bcf56bca50bfs0.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4623/obody4pd6.jpg

Nice enough street, one of the grandest in the UK? Not for me.

Just a couple of streets from Newcastle below, Grey Street and Grainger street. Newcastle is vastly under-rated and stands alongside any other city listed in this poll for me.

Grainger Street,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n3.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n2.jpg

Grey Street

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n9.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n6.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n5.jpg

Reminds me of being halfway between Bath and Edinburgh :yes:

More Newcastle. So varied, great topography, so under-rated.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n2-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n3-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n4-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n6-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n9-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n10.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n12.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n14.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n15.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n16.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n17.jpg

I love Newcastle, ive been going every christmas for the last 16 years, for me the riverside is superb and then there are some stunning buildings around the city, however the most dissapointing thing about the city is that there are some horrible buildings in prominant positions amongst the old architecture. The worst being the Eldon square shopping centre which unfortunately houses all the major shops inside it. I found it to be horribly chlostrophobic, no windows, fairly low roof and crowded with little exits. Then around that i noticed that housed in some stunning georgian buildings behind Eldon square were crappy used furniture shops and the like. If Newcastle were to transfer its major shops into these buildings and have more of a street scene then Newcastle would win this streetscape pole hands down. My favourite area btw is where those buildings go under the bridge like in that black and white photo, it has a sort of brooklyn-esque feel to it.

^^ its just rather out on a limb as far as the rest of the UK is concerned :ohno:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n14.jpg



whats this i love it? :)

The New Castle.

^^ That is very picturesque.

This is good too.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/n6.jpg

I love this pic of leeds, cheers leedsno1

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7760/639769133bcf56bca50bfs0.jpg

I also love the streetscapes of newcastle in those pics which remind me very much of bradford's city centre streets.

thanks Awayo

Few more from Notts...

The canals....

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1292/1075692052_5300b5352f.jpg?v=0
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1312/1075682872_bd967e8c5b.jpg?v=0

The station

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1096/1074838499_9d4c903e39.jpg?v=0

The square..

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1264/927984715_3f43b0e7f0.jpg?v=0
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1005/927980419_d2581ff4b6.jpg?v=0

Some of the newer stuff...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1262/1001393404_ae8bdd2d0a.jpg?v=0
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1046/1000549559_9e38dbf5cd.jpg?v=0

...

...

IMO Newcastle has a better streetscape than most British cities but this is because i like the continuity of the materials used and the architectural style (hence why Bath is my fave), though like said previously the shops would be better off in the old buildings rather than near that square. The river side is one of those magicaly unique places you only find in one particular city, where the differences in height cause bridges to tower over 5 storey beautifull buildings, modern mixes with old and culture mixes with enjoyment

Now im sorry for this in advance but here are some more from another underated city, Chester:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/10.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/13.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/14.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/18.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/110.jpg

on the city walls

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/112.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/117.jpg

the abbey

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/129.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/121.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/125.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/131.jpg

a gate (or a modern one) in the walls

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/133.jpg

main shopping street

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/141.jpg

an older gate

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/142.jpg

roman remains

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/145.jpg

river side

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/148.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/152.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/157.jpg

if you look you can see a second level shopping area (like an arcade) that connects al the buildigns at the second floor

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/163.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/167.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/169.jpg

I like Chester- its like a nice version of York.

Newcastle. Its a bit like Bradford..

I like Chester- its like a nice version of York.

Newcastle. Its a bit like Bradford..

Bradford must be great then! Any pics? Surely must have the finest streetscape in Yorkshire then?

Ill get some pics tomorrow properly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14629221@N00/416338208/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joday/268801652/

I personally don't like Newcastle or Bradford in terms of the colour of the buildings. I think it makes them look dull; unlike the vibrant reds of Manchester/Leeds.

Bradford, unlike Newcastle (to an extent), doesnt have anamazing streetscape, because while it has lots of good architecture, much of it is boarded up, or awaiting regeneration. Alot of it is choked by unorganised multi lane roads and generally forgotten amongst the concrete masses that dominate the older buildings. It has alot of potential to have a good streetscap in many places, but for reasons not concerning the architecture itself, it tends to have an inferior streetscape to Newcastle, and Leeds/Manchester.

Centenary Square (City Hall) is an exception and shows what the rest of Bradford could be like.

I like Chester- its like a nice version of York.



Yep, because York is such a shithole, with it's residents enjoying the the best quality of life in the country, one the highest average incomes, and the highest employment level per 1000 nationwide, plus a brilliant education system featuring some of the best comprehensives in the country, 9 private schools, who would want to live in York?!

Not me. It's boring. :)

anyone got any pics of Edingburgh?

York's whole make up is like Harrogate. But York city centre is a cramped crowded touristy place which never changes making it one of the most boring places in the UK.

^^ like Bath then... :shifty:

Bath has wider streets :) People dawdle around in York and theres all the little chinese people with their polaroids. No indoor shopping areas to hide in.

Harrogate is touristy too, but the streets are wide here and theres lots of open space so it doesnt have the claustrophobic feel of York.

Bath has wider streets :) People dawdle around in York and theres all the little chinese people with their polaroids. No indoor shopping areas to hide in.

Harrogate is touristy too, but the streets are wide here and theres lots of open space so it doesnt have the claustrophobic feel of York.

Its the same in Bath (although alot of the asian tourists tend to be students with families visiting apparently)
only the residential streets are wider (well only the few large grand ones), the city centre is quite narrow and the usual fare of shops is the same you get around every UK high street but it looks far nicer which is good (as well as having the best Waterstones in the area), :tongue3: but you'll be hard pressed to find anything unique to buy.


EDIT: it seems like a hate the place but i don't!, really!!!!


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One place i can't seem to make my mind up on is Birmingham, the suburbs are very nice, but i don't know what to make of the centre (i don't mean i dont like the place, its just i find it umm well... very hard to describe to people) its alot of things :ksgslghlghrlghrlhrrlghlrregkdhdklfhlkgdr,gedhgkjkfl.

"you'll be hard pressed to find anything unique to buy"

What are you kidding, Bath is one of the best places for unique shops! you must have only walked up the main street!

Again its hard to say what is best, where someone might say Yorks streets are cramped, others might say they are cosy and charming (im the later). The architecture is very different in Chester and York as well, and so i preffer Chester because of the black and white buildings, though i preffer the cosy-ness of Yorks buildings.

^^ Hyperbole, however there's no denying there's nothing special to much of Bath's retail scene bar it's architecture, it's largely a clone town. It does get better the further north from the station you go (like around George street and Milsom street and beyond). not so much a complaint, as most people would kill to have Bath as a local town.

One place i can't seem to make my mind up on is Birmingham, the suburbs are very nice, but i don't know what to make of the centre (i don't mean i dont like the place, its just i find it umm well... very hard to describe to people) its alot of things :ksgslghlghrlghrlhrrlghlrregkdhdklfhlkgdr,gedhgkjkfl.

Exactly.
Just describe it like this. "its got some nice areas and some not so nice areas but its getting better and is in no way as bad as most people think."

Birmingham's city centre is just a complete mish mash.

You've got Corporation Street looking like this:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/Erebus555/DSC_0118-2.jpg

And then around the corner, you have this:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/Erebus555/DSC_0100-1.jpg

i think you appreciate BHam as a series of specific places rather than as a whole, like Brizzle in that respect :shifty: :yes:, but in all honesty it only has to work on its centre as the rest of the city is fine for the most part, (unlike some other places where its the opposite *ahem* ;))

There is a lot of work to be done in the suburbs as well. Mainly the innercity areas though.

while we're on the subject of Birmingham here's some from flickr
http://flickr.com/photos/stevecadman/sets/1070735/
http://flickr.com/photos/architec/sets/72157600231878636/
http://flickr.com/photos/historyanorak/sets/72157594380189155/?page=5


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Cties2/62456050_eedcb3d2e6_b.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Cties2/62456049_b78db6866f_b.jpg

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http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Cties2/49124893_843e22c666_b.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Cties2/48995870_09726d15ab_b.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Cties2/49906890_d6a7ebd2a5_b.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Cties2/148830312_0b265eb341_b.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Cties2/48995873_79f486210a_b.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Cties2/379610220_de22415c77_b.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Cties2/453851583_824b0b8f48_b.jpg

It sure has its fair share of terracotta!

We were famous for our terracotta buildings!

^^ well judging from what i've seen on the skyline threads of Birmingham it may have lost alot of buildings but its retained the abundant terracotta!

York's whole make up is like Harrogate.

Bollocks :bash: . York is ancient. Harrogate isn't. York is totally flat. Harrogate is built on hills. York is a city with a minster, as well as many other religous buildings. Harrogate isn't. York and Harrogate's architecture is totally different. The streets are not similar. Infact, they have very, very little in common, so stop going on about crap York is. It isn't, and it must be doing plenty right to say it won European destination of the year 2007 over Valencia and Gothenburg. I've lived there for 14 years, and it's fab.
one of the most boring places in the UK.
And you've lived there for ages, haven't you. You think Leeds is all big and 'unboring' with your tall apartment blocks, and new nightclubs overlooking the river full of murdered locals. York has re-invented itself, and now the evening scene is booming, new bars and restaurants opening up on a weekly basis. The music scene massive at the moment with Elliott Minor this year, and another new band's song being released shortly. Oh, and here in York, we've got more to spend than anybody else in the country on leisure and entertainment. And a fairly large, 5th in the country university, which students are everywhere in the centre, adding to the young atmosphere. So infact, it really isn't so boring.

Then theres the outstanding university and the train station and railway heritage. Only a fool would compare Harrogate to York, York is simply in a different league.

Only a fool would compare Harrogate to York, . EXACTLY my point before
York is simply in a different league.
Amen

I meant population make up. Both Harrogate and York are generally wealthy, middle-high class, white, Christian.

I live in Harrogate, prefer Leeds to York. Most people do; this is reflected in the fact there isnt even demand for a bus service to York- that failed miserably years ago and has never been revived. Most people get the hourly train to York when they go.

And I find York to be an extremely boring, touristy, crowded place- nothing ever changes there. The shops are rubbish too. Its far too NIMBYish for my liking.

LeedsNo1, you should know by now, you're not allowed to have an opinion when Boards is around. There's only one right opinion, and thats his. lol

York is a great place, one of the most pleasant and interesting cities in the country in my opinion. I'd much rather visit York than Leeds if I had to choose between the two, maybe that's because I'm interested in history but I can't understand these comments from Leeds No.1.

Yea ive gotta say I love york only been a few times, but it was much prettier than leeds, and a nice place for a day out to just mill around, a bit of shopping, visit some shops, and a bite to eat outside on a sunny day. Obviously you cant compare york and leeds, they are two very diferent places that serve diferent purposes, and you cant compare york with harrogate imo, as one is a predominantly residential town, and the other a historic university city. But, I do agree with LeedsNo1, they are of a similar demograhpic, both more upmarket than more functional leeds.

LeedsNo1, you should know by now, you're not allowed to have an opinion when Boards is around. There's only one right opinion, and thats his. lol

Im going to lose my rag with you in a minute! you're a fucking numpty. You just dont know when to shut up and have this urge to cause aa conflict. Hope Boards gives you a piece of his mind.

Im going to lose my rag with you in a minute! you're a fucking numpty. You just dont know when to shut up and have this urge to cause aa conflict. Hope Boards gives you a piece of his mind.

Again, point proven (i was actually going to incude ur name in that funnily enough). Only Molly and Boards' opinions are right. One should never deviate from voicing an alternative opinion, or personal abuse will be hurled, and dummys will be spat out.

The thing is dipshit. Boards and myself are actually useful to our respective forums. You are just a troll. You believe we only accept our oppinions because normally against you we do as we ARE ALWAYS RIGHT, but only because you are always so ridiculously wrong.

I will abuse you mainly because you're a waste of time. You never have anything constructive to say. You're like the new coming of Earlybird but at least his a decent bloke.

You have this undiniable urge to be a pillock thats not only argumentitive but condensending and ignorant.

You would stand up so much better if you appreciated other peoples figures, facts and knowledge in the area. In all honesty I would rather trust mine and boards oppinions over yours, a troll who is'nt even in the industry and probably types this from his year 11 I.T class.

But if you think you're important then be my guest. You'll be in for a rude awakening when you get out into the real world.

I live in Harrogate, prefer Leeds to York. Most people do; this is reflected in the fact there isnt even demand for a bus service to York- that failed miserably years ago and has never been revived...

Speak for yourself. Of course you're allowed your own opinion, but don't try and speak for 85,000. Your evidence being 'the bus service' is total bulls**t. Leeds has 500,000. York has about 140,000 (not counting urban areas). Surely the first is going to be more popular in terms of passengers, but that doesn't mean they prefer Leeds. And also, Leeds is closer, the journey time is less. I don't want a city vs city which this has already become. They're totally different. York, ancient beautiful city, and Leeds, fairly big city with very little in common with York.
The shops are rubbish too.

Because 'Leeds has got Harvey Nicks'. They want to open up in York in 2010 too you know. But, apart from that and Louis Vuitton, what else can Leeds' retail shout about. And York's shopping isn't bad at all, infact. Go to Petergate for countless designer boutiques lining each side of the stunning tudor street like PS and Vivienne Westwood and the Coppergate Centre for the 3rd largest Topshop Topman nationwide.

You've really got very, very little backing up your points about York. I know, you can say what you like, but what you did say was untrue.

I learn useful things from Flogging molly and Boards.... wiggly, just not in the same league!

Cheers Tony:cheers: I must admit I do look forward to your posts, youre one of the most insightful posters on these forums.


You've really got very, very little backing up your points about York. I know, you can say what you like, but what you did say was untrue.

Stupidity - The Leeds disease.

The thing is dipshit. Boards and myself are actually useful to our respective forums. You are just a troll. You believe we only accept our oppinions because normally against you we do as we ARE ALWAYS RIGHT, but only because you are always so ridiculously wrong.

Again, you just proved my point. You beleive only your opinions are right, and everyone elses who doesnt share your opinion is wrong - and they shud never voice it. And if someone brings factual information into the equation, that is also wrong too, and your opinion is right And to top it all, you'll throw as much personal abuse and insults across as you can such as "cunt, wanker, dipshit, bollox" etc etc, because you cant back up your opinons with facts (because they are opinions) so you instead hurl abuse to try and desperately make ur point. This is why you have been banned before.

You believe we only accept our oppinions because normally against you we do as we ARE ALWAYS RIGHT, but only because you are always so ridiculously wrong.

You mean like when you suggested "bham wipes the floor of leeds in terms of current talls under construction and future proposals" ... which turned out to be wildly untrue.. and infact the opposite! lmao. damn, i was a naughty troll there, for darring to counter your opinions with facts.

Or, do you mean like when the liverpool lot & Boards (out of anger for disagreeing with them that liverpool is the UKs 3rd city) pointed out that "Leeds is a backwater small town", when the reality is, compared to liverpool, it was shown to have more office, more retail, more ppl coming into its city centre to work, a larger shopping population, a larger university population, a larger and busier central station, a higher GDP for the urban area, and a higher GDP per capita, with more 6bn investment as opposed to Liverpools 4.5bn. Damn, I was a naughty troll there, for having the sheer audacity to disagree with their opinions by bringing forward factual information.

People hurl abuse and make childish comments when they lack the ability to form a coherent argument or their point in a discussion is weak. I'll say no more.

Again, you just proved my point. You beleive only your opinions are right, and everyone elses who doesnt share your opinion is wrong - and they shud never voice it. And if someone brings factual information into the equation, that is also wrong too, and your opinion is right And to top it all, you'll throw as much personal abuse and insults across as you can such as "cunt, wanker, dipshit, bollox" etc etc, because you cant back up your opinons with facts (because they are opinions) so you instead hurl abuse to try and desperately make ur point. This is why you have been banned before.

No, if you read it properly - I said normally our oppinions are always right aginst yours. :Sleepy: YOu dont half twist shit around. I throw insults because you are an infuriating piece of turd and its my nature. I've been banned for it but im not going to stop when people like you come around shitting on cities for no apparent reason. So until you stop ... fuck off.



You mean like when you suggested "bham wipes the floor of leeds in terms of current talls under construction and future proposals" ... which turned out to be wildly untrue.. and infact the opposite! lmao. damn, i was a naughty troll there, for darring to counter your opinions with facts.

Wiggley they were your estimations, not facts. Birmingham has the tallest tower in the pipeline. Birmingham has built taller then Leeds since 2000 which is the year you seem to believe is the b all and end all of everything, Birmingham has another tallest residential tower rising, Birmingham already has the tallest towers of the two cities. It has more 100m+ towers planned then Leeds. Yes, Lumiere is 171m tall. V.T.P is 200m.

Or, do you mean like when the liverpool lot & Boards (out of anger for disagreeing with them that liverpool is the UKs 3rd city) pointed out that "Leeds is a backwater small town", when the reality is, compared to liverpool, it was shown to have more office, more retail, more ppl coming into its city centre to work, a larger shopping population, a larger university population, a larger and busier central station, a higher GDP for the urban area, and a higher GDP per capita, with more 6bn investment as opposed to Liverpools 4.5bn. Damn, I was a naughty troll there, for having the sheer audacity to disagree with their opinions by bringing forward factual information.

Again they were your estimations being in construction Leeds is a less attractive city to build in then Liverpool at this present moment in time. One of your problems is making enemies with everyone. Now you've brought Liverpudlians into the equation. There is a reason why so many people dislike you ... and if you cant see the obvious then you really are more ignorant then I gave you credit for.

People hurl abuse and make childish comments when they lack the ability to form a coherent argument or their point in a discussion is weak. I'll say no more.

Please do ... you've said enough crap in the last few months to last a lifetime.

No, if you read it properly - I said normally our oppinions are always right aginst yours. :Sleepy: YOu dont half twist shit around. I throw insults because you are an infuriating piece of turd and its my nature. I've been banned for it but im not going to stop when people like you come around shitting on cities for no apparent reason. So until you stop ... fuck off.

No, you throw insults to silence people, when you are loosing a discussion, like you are doing now :) - and this is why you have been banned before.

Wiggley they were your estimations, not facts. Birmingham has the tallest tower in the pipeline.

VTP (vertical theme park), or pinnacles are not measured in the same class as high rise skyscrapers, just like the toronto tower is not put into the same category as the Al Duburj tallest building in the world. Argue it all you like, but you are arguing it with the wrong person.

Birmingham has built taller then Leeds since 2000 which is the year you seem to believe is the b all and end all of everything, Birmingham has another tallest residential tower rising, Birmingham already has the tallest towers of the two cities. It has more 100m+ towers planned then Leeds. Yes, Lumiere is 171m tall. V.T.P is 200m.

you say all, this but when we ignore the rhetoric, and looks at the facts, they are glaryingly obvious. Add VTP to the list too, it doesnt make much diference.

http://www.asuz39.dsl.pipex.com/rate.jpg

Please do ... you've said enough crap in the last few months to last a lifetime.

yes, its crap because its stuff you dont like to hear :)

I dont understand your problem with including 'pinnacles'. They are still visiable on skyline, serve a purpose and cost a lot of money. Im sure if it was to be built in Leeds you'd count it in your list.

I dont understand your problem with including 'pinnacles'. They are still visiable on skyline, serve a purpose and cost a lot of money. Im sure if it was to be built in Leeds you'd count it in your list.

its not added because the conventional method is not to include them, so dont blame me :nuts: however, i appreciate that they do have an effect on the skyline, which is why I pointed out that you could add the VTP 'proposal' to the table list, and it wouldnt bother me. But it wouldnt validate what Molly said, and that was "Bham wipes the floor of leeds in terms of current under construction and future proposals", and the table would still infact show leeds in a more positive light than Bham.

One of the 'problems' that Birmingham has is that it has never had that huge hole as regards the city being stangant for years and years, and as such has not had to play catch up, it simply kept on, and still is, going?

I think if we counted development in the last 25 years then Birmingham would head the list?

I think the fact that Birmingham £10 billion pounds of development just in the city centre says it all.

One of the 'problems' that Birmingham has is that it has never had that huge hole as regards the city being stangant for years and years, and as such has not had to play catch up, it simply kept on, and still is, going?

I think if we counted development in the last 25 years then Birmingham would head the list?

Now you cant argue with that. See how logic and factual information goes a lot futher than the abuse-hurling of Boards and Molly.

OK. Can we use my sublimely inteligent post to draw a line under the cat fights and get back to pally old urbanism?

:)

I think the fact that Birmingham £10 billion pounds of development just in the city centre says it all.

What does it say? Leeds, with a PUA population less than a third of Bham's PUA, and a city centre less a third the size of Bhams city centre, yet seeing 6.5bn investment. Either that means Leeds is punching well above ts weight, or Bham is punching below its weight. OR it actually means nothing, and just highlights diferent phases of development

OR it actually means nothing, and just highlights diferent phases of development

Precisecly!

Thats why when you try and compare cities in terms of highrise development in the last 7 years, it shows nothing. Next year Birmingham could have a gizillion towers proposed, or none at all. It doesnt mean its better than Leeds if it does, just that its experiencing a boom. Fair enough Leeds has more 'towers' being built, what is it meant to highlight?

Precisecly!

Thats why when you try and compare cities in terms of highrise development in the last 7 years, it shows nothing. Next year Birmingham could have a gizillion towers proposed, or none at all. It doesnt mean its better than Leeds if it does, just that its experiencing a boom. Fair enough Leeds has more 'towers' being built, what is it meant to highlight?

exactly, then surely its wrong for someone to say out of the blue "birmingham wipes the floor of leeds in terms of future proposals and current high rises under construction", especially when this statement can be disprooved, and if anything its more the opposite lol.

Anyway, streetscapes. I took these on my mobile phone the other week, so quality is a bit shit.

Nothing special, but hey, they're streetscapes lol

http://www.asuz39.dsl.pipex.com/leeds-streetscapes-11-july-2007/2.jpg
http://www.asuz39.dsl.pipex.com/leeds-streetscapes-11-july-2007/3.jpg
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exactly, then surely its wrong for someone to say out of the blue "birmingham wipes the floor of leeds in terms of future proposals and current high rises under construction", especially when this statement can be disprooved, and if anything its more the opposite lol

TBF i dont remember Molly saying that, and maybe its possible that he knows a lot of whats in the pipeline.

I understand why people are trying to validate slightly what Wiggley is saying to get this place back on track but the kid does'nt have a clue and the more you guys let him think he does means the more time his going to spend throwing this continual rubbish around.

Now If I wasnt at work I would give you my big reply now but I shall wait till I get home so I can actually explain to you in full length while your belief of Leeds super metropolis is so flawed.

But one think Wiggley, Brums area investment is 14 billion on mixed use, resi and leisure developments. this excludes primary and secondary education schemes where certain projects topple the 800m pound barrier, but 10billion in the city center. You might want to research the equivelent sizes of each of our cities and compare. It could help you later tonight.

liverpools under represented in this thread but if you have time take a look at some of liverpolitans pics in this thread

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=381892

Now If I wasnt at work I would give you my big reply now but I shall wait till I get home so I can actually explain to you in full length while your belief of Leeds super metropolis is so flawed.



Where have i said Leeds is a super metropolis lmao. All I have done it counter your comment that "Bham wipes the floor of leeds in terms of proposed, and current highrise developments" by providing factual information that blows your comments out of the water. And you hate that fact so much, that you will pathetically fight it and go on and on and on, because you just wont have it, because it shatters your whole glasshouse-illusion about birmingham. Why should everyone tip toe around you constantly and pretend Bham is seeing more construction than Leeds, when the reality is the opposite. Why do we all have to keep pretending so we feed the egos of those who are so used being backed up unquestioningly by their counterparts, that they forget reality from time to time, and anyone who brings reality into the equation is considered a trouble maker.

There are so many things bham does over leeds thats better. It should do, its a larger city. But to pretend that Bham is seeing more construction, is like leeds fighting it out pretending we have a good intergrated tansport system lol. All the other brummies have acknowledged that Burminghams construction rate isnt currently as high as perhaps some of the other core cities, but theyve provided explantions as to why this is - they havent had a hernia and thrown their dummy out!

But one think Wiggley, Brums area investment is 14 billion on mixed use, resi and leisure developments. this excludes primary and secondary education schemes where certain projects topple the 800m pound barrier, but 10billion in the city center. You might want to research the equivelent sizes of each of our cities and compare. It could help you later tonight.

The Bham city centre serves as the primary central core for an urban area of over 2 million people, and has 10bn of city centre investment. Leeds city centre is the central corer that serves an urban area of just 600,000 people, with a whopping 6.5bn of city centre investment. That speaks volumes to me, and however u look at it, it still doesnt make the Bham list of 'underconstruction, approved & proposed' longer than the Leeds' list :)

The amount of times you change your arguments to cover your back is phenominal!

Maybe where your trouble lies. If you focus on one argument first and proceed with it until the debate is settled you would'nt be fighting your oppinions with so many people in so many corners.

On the investment scores which you continually mention. Birmingham alone has the Eastside project which WAS 6 billion in 2001. This has since risen. However not all the funds are included in current investment. Same with a number of schemes across the city. This is where one of your arguments is flawed as you are including schemes in Leeds which have yet to even make significant inrodes to classify as current investment.

Birmingham is and always will be significantly more active then Leeds.

Birmingham is and always will be significantly more active then Leeds.

OK - if you say so. depsite Leeds having more high rises 'currently under construction, approved, or proposed'. As proved by these two sources, 1 of which is from woodhousen ;) - but no! i'll take ur subjective word for it instead lol - lets not let facts get in the way hey!

http://www.asuz39.dsl.pipex.com/rate.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table1.jpg

Wiggley, just because you post that on every available space, doesnt mean it proves you right.

As said many times before, there are things missing from the Birmingham list, and also a tower that is 137m high, is going to be worth more than a tower that is 60m high.

Towers over 120m
Birmingham has:
150m (V tower)
135m (Broad street)
137m (snow hill)
124m both New street towers, (which hasnt someone rumoured they will be taller than 124m)
175-200m (pinnacle).

Compared to leeds, which has:
Lumiere 171m
criterion place 161m
city 1 120m


Therefore this obviously proves that Birmingham is better than Leeds.

Note. Im joking of course, but by using different criteria, different results will occur.

Mikey23 the data compiled for both cities was from skyscrapernews, and also additional data by asking people on these forums. The only contencious issue was wheather VTP should be included in the list. By normal standards it wouldnt be. But lets just included it for arguments stake. It still doesnt show Bham as wiping the floor of leeds in terms of high rises approved, u/c, proposed, does it? Why is this so hard to accept for brummies, its hilarious. And to be honest I dont really care. But if someone points out something that is untrue regarding Leeds, i shouldnt just keep quiet to appease the loudmouths on here.

Firstly, i was not making the claim that Birmingham wipes the floor with leeds.
Secondly, Masshouse isnt included, as molly already corrected you as the design has now changed. Also what about Warwick Bar tower? Natwest replacement? Grt Charles st queensway? Post and mail phase 2?
Thirdly By setting the limit where you have you miss off several other buildings, and my example shows how results can be skewed. Surely, by setting a limit which is slightly more fluid, for example, 60m or just under, would be fairer, as i dont see what difference 3m or so makes.

Firstly, i was not making the claim that Birmingham wipes the floor with leeds.

Nope u werrntm but u clearly have a problem with me showing evidence that suggests that this statement is infact incorrect. The problem is, this evidence shows Birmingham in a poor light, so u feel the need to 'join forces' and rebel against it. And every brummy that reads the thread will also ignore that i'm actually pointing out that mollys wild statement was infact incorrect, and just see it as personal attack on their beleoved city, so will find way after way to defend it, as you have been doing. Its a very evil, vicious, and *silly* circle lol and its all part of Mollys game :)

Bloody hell, still going at it with Sim I see.

Oh well....

I lost interest and the drift of this thing a long time ago. This part of the forum used to be fun :(

Wiggley, just because you post that on every available space, doesnt mean it proves you right.

As said many times before, there are things missing from the Birmingham list, and also a tower that is 137m high, is going to be worth more than a tower that is 60m high.

Towers over 120m
Birmingham has:
150m (V tower)
135m (Broad street)
137m (snow hill)
124m both New street towers, (which hasnt someone rumoured they will be taller than 124m)
175-200m (pinnacle).

Compared to leeds, which has:
Lumiere 171m
criterion place 161m
city 1 120m


Therefore this obviously proves that Birmingham is better than Leeds.

Note. Im joking of course, but by using different criteria, different results will occur.

of course if you're only including towers over 120Meters then Birmingham has 7 to Leeds 2. Birmigham would already have 2 buildings over the zero of Leeds.

Undeniable proof than Birmingham is greater than Leeds, and all the men have larger wangs. etc etc.

I love the one on the right...
http://www.asuz39.dsl.pipex.com/leeds-streetscapes-11-july-2007/e.jpg

why do u love the one on the right? I thought u liked em a little older than that at least stephen :lol:

: P

and u didnt say wot u were doing up in leeds? :)

Working. :(

In Armley :( :(

That's why I was in all those places like wot it say in my location. Forgot I was in the Salfor/Manchester border country on Tuesday as well.

And I was in Stoke today as well as Wolverhampton. And all those place I only took 1 picture of niceish art-deco church in Wolvo, rubbish really.

Anyway, shouldn't we be locking this thread now we've got a new one?

no, no doubt molly and co will need to have their last say, otherwise they'll just follow it to whatever forum i post in lol.

So what did ya think of Leeds hey? Very small-town i bet? Its easy to forget ur in a city i think - especially for me comin from london orig. Armley's not the most salubrious of areas :lol:

Sorry to keep bringing this up, but wiggley, i was meerly trying to show you that by using a different set of criteria, different results will occur. You keep posting that table as though it is concrete proof that you are right, and i was saying that it isnt, because it can be interpreted in many ways, as i attempted to show you.

ok fair point mikey... can we pleeees drop it now. lol :)

OK - if you say so. depsite Leeds having more high rises 'currently under construction, approved, or proposed'. As proved by these two sources, 1 of which is from woodhousen ;) - but no! i'll take ur subjective word for it instead lol - lets not let facts get in the way hey!

http://www.asuz39.dsl.pipex.com/rate.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table1.jpg

Again - your criteria is only highrises. Another flaw. Birminghams streetscape has undergone enourmous change but for some reason you are to ignorant or stupid to accept that. You can build 30 10 storey blocks but Birmingham could've built 60 5 storey blocks. The only thing you can go on is Investment. Birmingham is and will (no denying that) always be ahead.

If you didnt have the need to be such an ass all the time we would'nt have to try and correct you after every response which leads to you feeling victimised.

Round about's mate.

Anywho - Stephen thats alot of travelling. I've somehow managed to clock up over 7,000 miles in the last 2 months.

But as has been shown, if you include lowrise developments aswell (this is where Leeds really excells) - most of leeds developments have been low rise, given that leeds is much more low rise anyway. So if you want to include low rise developments, you'll find Leeds pushes even ahead further too :)

All or any structures of any size, proposed, built, or uc, since 2000, in both cities:

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?29695956

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?29695977

Yes Molly, you will argue some things may have been missed out for Bham, but the same applies to Leeds. And to be honest i dont really care, but it *does* dispell your delusion that Bham wipes the floor of Leeds in terms of current talls/uc/proposed. :)

Skyscraperpage.com again :bash: Its total bollocks!

Boards will be in here now, with more insults and abuse, for darring to point out that your assumptions are not based on reality.

Seriously guys, can we just drop this now. We're never going to reach any form of agreement, and your not going to change each others minds, no matter what 'evidence' you come up with. Birmingham and Leeds are both awesome cities, cant we agree to leave it at that?

Al Duburj tallest building in the world
Have I missed something recently?

trust u to pin point something like that lol :) u stats-whore u

its not that one, its the other one, the taller one in dubai :D

trust u to pin point something like that lol :) u stats-whore u

its not that one, its the other one, the taller one in dubai :D

You mean the one that actually exists? Methinks you heard about Al Burj and Burj Dubai, jumbled it all up in your head and came out with a wiggleyism. :nuts:

pmsl

Seriously guys, can we just drop this now. We're never going to reach any form of agreement, and your not going to change each others minds, no matter what 'evidence' you come up with. Birmingham and Leeds are both awesome cities, cant we agree to leave it at that?

Its easier to drop when the bloke actually realises the truth rather then bending facts to try and improve the status of city Leeds. How can you say Leeds has developed more when more money has been spent in Birmingham by some 4 and a bit billion pounds is beyond me and aggrivates me so I will question what he says because unlike him nobody's down playing Leeds. He however has this fantastic approach to Birmingham by more or less shitting on it at every oppurtunity. Something I disapprove off.

Birminghams been in a downturn of development recently but has still managed to get some major towers. However on the lowrise front he really does not understand the concept of redevlopment. Birmingham is far and away ahead of every major ity outside London apart from maybe Glasgow on this front. From 8 apartments in harbourne to 200 apartments in the city center all add up and all are included in the investment the ccity of Brum has recieved over the last decade or so. More then any other apart from Manchester 97 onwards.

and the Manchester date is vital... what happened that year?

You mean the year before?

If it happened in the US the conspiracy theorists would have pointed fingers at Stringer and his crew by now!

no.. I mean...'New Labour' and their fetid 'regional agenda'!

Treacherous bastards, Glasgow and Liverpool should have been top of the list for years of loyal service:lol:

:lol:

Its easier to drop when the bloke actually realises the truth rather then bending facts to try and improve the status of city Leeds.

No one is trying to improve the status of their citys, they are just providing evidence that blows away most of what you say about other cities. Your comments regarding Bham wiping the floor of leeds in terms of developments has been shown to be wholly inaccurate and if anything, om some measures is the other way round :)

How can you say Leeds has developed more when more money has been spent in Birmingham by some 4 and a bit billion pounds is beyond me

Firstly, saying 10bn is being put into Bham is meaningless because it is a very fluid way of looking at things. What does the 10bn include? Does it include certain blue pribts that have not even started, as well as blueprints that have a timescale of 10 years and no money or construction has started, or only one tiny portion has started such as Eastside? Its a very hard variable to compare like for like because it all relies on a strict protocol of measuring investment that has to be the same criteria for comparable cities, and this does not happen. For example, Eastside may be included in the 10bn for Bham, but Holbeckurbanvillage may not be included for Leeds.

So, it makes it hard to make a real comparison. The only tangible and real way is not to look at what has potentially been earmarked, but to actually look at what has *actually* been built, and what is *actually* under construction, and what is *actually proposed. And as has been shown, Leeds does very very well :)

Secondly, lets assume Bham's investment is 10bn (even that sentance doest make sense) - does it mean future investment, earmarked investment over 10 years? investment in the last 5 years? Its hard to make comparisons of what one is comparing.

Thirdly, lets suppose we compare 10bn Bham city centre, to leeds city centre 6.5bn. Birmingham has a PUA of over 2million people, and Bham city centre, which is huge, is the primary central core serving this 2 million people. Leeds, has a PUA population of 600,000, and Leeds city centre, which is a thrid the size of Bham city centre, is the primary central core of just 600,000 people. Therefore, for Leeds to be matching Bham's proportional investment, it needs to have 3bn worth, not a massive 6.5bn! This means leeds is either pulling well above its weight, or Bham, with its huge city centre, is actually underperforming significantly. *OR* it actually means your comments are unfounded.

Birminghams been in a downturn of development recently but has still managed to get some major towers. However on the lowrise front he really does not understand the concept of redevlopment. Birmingham is far and away ahead of every major ity outside London apart from maybe Glasgow on this front..

Any factual evidence for this? The only factual evidence that has been brought to the table has been data showing Leeds as having more construction in its city centre, and leeds having proportionately more investment than Bham. The data also shows that Manchester has witnessed the most constuction after London, and this is followd by Leeds.

Groundhog day!

Groundhog day!

Groundhog day indeed. How boring is this thread??

:lol:

I find it really very interesting. Its not every day you get to realise how badly our education system is letting down the kids of today!

It begs the question. If Leeds is so super duper compared to Brum have they bothered to build any schools in the subsequent rise to thier super duper status?

I'd have words with the council if I was living round there.

Its funny you say that actually, because as it happens, Leeds has a massive education rebuilding programme underway.

LGHS and LGS are joining to form The Grammar School at Leeds. Allerton High School and Pudsey Grangefield High School are also being redeveloped as we speak. South Leeds High has been built recently. £250m is being spent on rebuilding schools in Leeds in total.

PFI has brought in a lot of spending in the education sector. A £1.2 billion project is underway on Glasgow's secondary schools alone.

Birmingham's getting a fair few bob as well. I think it's about the same as Glasgow's amount.

It's a national thing. They're supposed to be investing millions into every single school in the country.

£19m of Leeds' investment came from the sale of its airport.

Birmingham's getting a fair few bob as well. I think it's about the same as Glasgow's amount.

The Birmingham and Sandwell inniative has been running for a few years now. Bouygues the 2nd largest contractor in the world has been doing some work and passing others off to local firms. The West Midlands has had the biggest education revamp in the entire country in recent years due to our inability to correct things while others did. All local primary and secondary schools are now being built to accomdate a larger catchment area. Helps cut traffic aswell as saving money.

Previous

School A --------------------School B --------------------School C
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We were lucky to work in the Birmingham partnership which meant quite alot of work in areas like Telford, sandwell, wolvo went to us and a few other contractors. a new £billion scheme was announced a few months back aswell then of course we have the 7 academies :banana:

Molly, you'll find the same thing is happening everywhere in the country. My old school here has been combined with two others and turned into a new science academy. They're selling the current grade I listed building and creating a massive new school. It's just a massive nationwide scheme to rebuild ALL of our schools.

It's a national thing. They're supposed to be investing millions into every single school in the country.

Definately is... Same thing in Notts. 3 or 4 of the worst schools getting rebuilt, more getting refurbished, more just been refurbished, then 3 top class academies in planning. We have 2 already.

i dont get what bringing education funding has to do with anything? Its a no brainer.

All areas are seeing a massive investment in education funding, and much of that will be proportional to the needs of the area, wherby areas that have experienced lower than average education investment levels are now seeing higher boosts. Also, Birmingham (then leeds) is the largest unitary authority outside of london, so naturally, much of its education budget figues should be high. On top of that, out of all the core cities Bham suffers from having the highest proportion of dependent population ie - Bham's age distribution is such that it has a high proportion of dependent young people under 18, and a high proportion of dependent older people over 65, more so than all the other core cities.

There are 5 High Schools in Leeds within 2 miles of where I live, 3 have been demolished and rebuilt, one is currently being rebuilt, all under the Labour Govt. The last one is due to be rebuilt in two years time. A good job too, my high school, Cardinal Heenan, was falling apart when I was there which was 20 years ago. Groan.................... I'm getting on a bit now.

Molly, you'll find the same thing is happening everywhere in the country. My old school here has been combined with two others and turned into a new science academy. They're selling the current grade I listed building and creating a massive new school. It's just a massive nationwide scheme to rebuild ALL of our schools.

I know. we've worked in Yorkshire aswell the funding has been more in this region over the last few years because we stuffed up in the 90's by not cracking on with it so now we're playing catch up which is the reason quite alot of our schools are rated amongst the worst in the country. It could also be because Midlands pupils are given per head £112 less then children in the south east. That to me does'nt seem right.

Some images I took yesterday of just some of Nottinghams retail offerings.

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^^

A great set of photos. I love that building in the 6th pic down. Tell us more about it if you will?

I love it too :D... My favourite building in the city. Its the prudential building... its use dosn't really meet its looks. Its just a hard rock cafe. I think there is offices above.

Heres some more pics of it...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1142/1169588378_9422009cde.jpg?v=0

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wow great set of photos. better than whats been shown imo for leeds, bham, mancs, and liverpool.

I really like Nottingham. I don't mean this an insulting way but it really looks like a massive market town :happy:

I really like Nottingham. I don't mean this an insulting way but it really looks like a massive market town :happy:

Well...it was so I see where your coming from lol. Though we have well outgrown market town status lol. But yes...Notts dosn't feel any where as metropolitan and Manchester or Birmingham. You don't feel the tall historical buildings looming over you.

thats what makes it best-streetscape imo - the fact that it *is* like a big market town. just like shopping in cheshire or norfolk, or york, milling about the town is a much more pleasent experience than big city streetscapes full of concrete, traffic, over tall looming buildings etc

I think you can easily be decieved by Nottingham. some of it is truly horrific.

I really like Nottingham. I don't mean this an insulting way but it really looks like a massive market town :happy:

i always thought that (but was too afraid to say) plus it doesn't have those large road schemes slicing and dicing their way around the place.

I think Nottinghams City Centre is almost like a smaller version of Leeds

^^i guess in scale but-

although they both look like mushrooms (the built up area)

Unbelievable NEWCASTLE isn't on that list! but of the list and of my experience, manchester is my favourite (after London which is in a different league as it has so much of everything). MANCHESTER is so wonderfully consistent in it grand, bold Victoriana. I suspect Glasgow would be my favourite as soon as i manage to getmyself up there to have a look. From the photos Ive seen, it definitely looks fantastic

the thing is, everyone is skyscraper enthusiasts on here, so its assumed without thinking, that bigger is better, more traffic, congestion, and concrete is better. But the reality is, imo, i'd much rather have a pleasent towny feel like nottingham, and feels more relaxed, with good streetscapes and quaint streets, yet still be a thriving big city centre with all the amenities that go with a city centre. Ie its the best of both worlds.

The benefits and advantages of a town layout and streetscape, yet all the advantages of any other medium sized city, in terms of business, employment, night lifte, shopping, restaurants, eateries, finance, departmet stores etc.

I think Nottinghams City Centre is almost like a smaller version of Leeds

Its a similar size to Leeds. Problem is we don't have a business district as such like Leeds.

I think you can easily be decieved by Nottingham. some of it is truly horrific.

Your right...but no more than other major cities...or even medium sizes cities. The good thing is... Most large concrete buildings, that spoils our streetscape are getting knocked down... for example... It dosn't get any worse than the stuff i'm about to show you.

Trinity Square..

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/45/148997678_088509851c.jpg?v=0

Now it looks like this...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1178/1151100930_fe23b50565.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1399/1219191786_aa9dd692ba.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1233/742253870_cddc4f3120.jpg?v=0

Broadmarsh is the worst of the worst...

Looks like this at the moment... i'm not fussed as it is about the become one enourmous buildings site....

Broadmarsh make up the a good 70% of our concrete mess. Once this is gone there won't really be much to dislike down here.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1380/989869108_be8f44598a.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1063/989853348_b047fbdd7b.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1167/988997863_d7b774fbe2.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1414/989855524_b7d3cda1a2.jpg?v=0

Infact...there will be one last thing i'd like to change. Victoria Centre...built in the 70's...still in the top 20 largest retail centre...and inside...still a great centre with some big anchors...it looks terrible on the outside though.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1188/741400033_16cd65bf34.jpg?v=0p

One last good example is this...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/225/492367572_12cac1d20e.jpg?v=0

Which was knocked down, pedestrianised and now looks like this.. taken yesterday about about 6pm...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1062/1219192806_5ead0c5a6e.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/167/487007312_c08f299f25.jpg?v=0

The trinity square development is right next to this...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1356/1218331049_344daafe12.jpg?v=0

You also have the most attractive trams in the UK as well.


Sigh, I wish we had trams....

the thing is, everyone is skyscraper enthusiasts on here, so its assumed without thinking, that bigger is better, more traffic, congestion, and concrete is better. But the reality is, imo, i'd much rather have a pleasent towny feel like nottingham, and feels more relaxed, with good streetscapes and quaint streets, yet still be a thriving big city centre with all the amenities that go with a city centre. Ie its the best of both worlds.

The benefits and advantages of a town layout and streetscape, yet all the advantages of any other medium sized city, in terms of business, employment, night lifte, shopping, restaurants, eateries, finance, departmet stores etc.



Nah! :)

I agree, im not a fan of bigger is better, more traffic, congestion, and concrete is better. I preffer open spaces, leafy streets, feeling safe!

isn't it all comparative?

By that definition are you saying you like MK more than NYC?

what is MK? Im saying that i preffer London to NYC because it has more public open spaces, i preffer my city to regional cities in the UK because it has less of the concrete jungle / motorway feel yes. Comparing cities of similar size is a more sensible idea!

what is MK?

Milton Keynes

None are my pictures..


http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/AK1_photo/DSC00477.jpg
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Nice pics but they could have cleaned the city hall in time for the celebrations. What is the exact date of 800 years? is there going to be a big concert / fireworks / event?

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/AK1_photo/DSC00490.jpg

It's Peter Crouch in drag!

Cardiff, they've tried cleaning the town hall before, but the stonework is damaged by fire and bombing, not to mention cannon blast from a port mutiny. The thin layer of soot masks a lot of the damage. Personally, I think it should be cleaned and restored, and wear its scars like badges of honour.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/AK1_photo/DSC00481.jpg

You can see on the above pic where it has been cleaned before. I think the method they used to clean it last time actually damaged the stonework further, and left it stained unevenly.

Is it the 800th year since it was established, or is it 800 years since it became a city?

"Personally, I think it should be cleaned and restored, and wear its scars like badges of honour"

I totaly agree, would be much more interesting to see its history written in its surface (thats like poetry! lol).

800 years since it was given it's charter by King John. it was a town until around 120 years ago.

Of course, Liverpool was a settlement before King John, but 1207 was official recognition.

for a few minutes i got confused between St Petersburg celebrating its 300th birthday and liverpools 800th one thinking last year Liverpool celebrated its 300th birthday...

i thought to myself '' thats not right... is it?'' :crazy2:

bunny that front of the Town Hall was added on after that mutiny.

I think burn marks are ok on old buildings - most of Dresden's old buildings that survived the bombs are burnt black. To counter act the dark stonework, every single gold statue has had a new gold leaf covering that are brilliant in the sunlight.

When was the mutiny, 1878? I know it was added after the fire that gutted the original incarnation, as that's when they added the barrel for the dome to sit on as well. I used that pic in particular to show what a shite job they've done cleaning it before, not neccessarily to show any historic damage. :)

Still, if they can use the same cleaning method employed on St Georges Hall, opposed to that horrible abrasive chemical cleaning shite they've managed to ruin everything else with, I'll be happy. :)

1778? Another gang of ruffians were responsible for the events of a century later.

Any links on the web about this mutiny?

Any links on the web about this mutiny?

I'll have a google but some striking sailors got so pissed off that they dragged a cannon from their ship up Water Street and fired upon the Town Hall.

I'll have a google but some striking sailors got so pissed off that they dragged a cannon from their ship up Water Street and fired upon the Town Hall.

:nuts:

Crazy fuckers, did they get a pay rise/ better conditions? Or just hung?

lol

Not tecnically streetscapes, but nice enough:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/461983415_ad45593be8.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/173/464417779_955512ff4a.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/209/465538095_f2276eeb78.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1233/811010727_9535a5d356.jpg?v=0

Birmingham, if you hadn't guessed.

Nice. :yes:

Birmingham, if you hadn't guessed.

^^ :cheers:

A nice one of Victoria Quays (Sheffield) by Jozblade.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb12/jozblade/Sheffield%2030th%20August%202007/DSCF1631.jpg?t=1188560716

Here's a few street/waterscapes by Adman..

Here's a mixed bag of shots.

http://www.liverpolitan.co.uk/liverpoolimages001.jpg

http://www.liverpolitan.co.uk/liverpoolimages002.jpg

http://www.liverpolitan.co.uk/liverpoolimages003.jpg

http://www.liverpolitan.co.uk/imagespool003.jpg

A nice one of Victoria Quays (Sheffield) by Jozblade.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb12/jozblade/Sheffield%2030th%20August%202007/DSCF1631.jpg?t=1188560716

:)

Shame there is never many knocking about down there.

^^well from the words of Wendigo

thats because thats where they rape you...

well... not there.


Bristol has the best inner city neighbourhood streetscape ZOMG LOL ROFL LMAO!!!!!!!1111!!!!1!1111!!!!!!!1 http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/la.gif

A few Leicester street scapes, maybe not the best, though worth a look anyway. :)

'The Lanes' area:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0180.jpg

between the cathedral and Guildhall:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0176.jpg

Guildhall Lane:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0162.jpg

Westbridge Place:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0078.jpg

Castle View, with St mary de Castro Church:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0070.jpg

Granby Street:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0051.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0183.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0054.jpg

Some random pics of Cardif city center during the match between Wales and Australia this weekend

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/1392174017_56afe42131_b.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/1392462765_6a5cf65d7f_b.jpg

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http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/1387764921_d75c50fa7b_b.jpg

and a nice peacfull one of the stadium from wood street bridge

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/sandraanstiss/1386232238_8a24c9ab2f_b.jpg

It's lovely to see some of leicester :yes: we should see more (ignoring the fact you can see loads on the East mids forum :shifty:)

the first time (or at least in awhile) i think that this city has appeared on this thread.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/city%20centre/DSC_0571-1.jpg

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http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Old%20City/DSC_0654.jpg

That man is sitting very strangely on that bench on the last but one photo. :shifty:

What's the building on the second picture, middle left?

he's having a poo, thats why.

that be the ol' leadshot tower, site of the worlds first.

its a listed building now, which is quite strange...

Ahh I see. :|

Site of the world's first what?!

leadshot tower

:?bbdsbndbdfjbmbv:?

*ahem*

A shot tower is a tower designed for the production of shot balls by freefall of molten lead, which is then caught in a water basin. The shot is used for projectiles in firearms

Process
In a shot tower, lead is heated until molten, then dropped through a copper sieve high up in the tower. The liquid lead solidifies as it falls and by surface tension forms tiny spherical balls. The partially cooled balls are caught at the floor of the tower in a water-filled basin.[1] The now fully cooled balls are checked for roundness and sorted by size; those that are "out of round" are remelted. A slightly inclined table is used for checking roundness.[2] To make larger shot sizes, a copper sieve with larger holes is used. However, the maximum size is limited by the height of the tower, because larger shot sizes must fall further to cool. A polishing with a slight amount of graphite is necessary for lubrication and to prevent oxidation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_tower

Well thank you! :okay: As if I'd know about things like that. :|

you never know, you ARE an enigma afterall.

It's lovely to see some of leicester :yes: we should see more (ignoring the fact you can see loads on the East mids forum :shifty:)

the first time (or at least in awhile) i think that this city has appeared on this thread.


I thought i'd post a few of the more flattering Leicester shots, especially since Leicester is know more for its 'not so good' architecture.

More may come as the city centre is improved further. :)

btw is that church tower leaning in your 6th photo?

Here are some more photos I took:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0181.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0160.jpg

Great Hall of Leicester Castle Castle View):
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x20/lecimage/Urban%20Leicester/IMG_0060.jpg

^^yep :D It's always been like that :yes:

Yeah, Leicester looks good.

What's it like when night falls? I have heard a thing or two about it from an ex-gf from sunny Nunny - although to be fair she saved most of her venom for Coventry.

:cheers:

If Leicester looked like that in areas where it mattered (deep into the retail core) then it would give off a much better impression.... problem is...when developments like the shires and those kinda of no ones going to go to those nice little areas.... there already out the way to a visitor... I went to Leicester a little while back and didn't find any of those areas (yet I went to take pics for the Leicester guys and was out looking for them!).

Additionally... if they didn't have so much of their prettier buildings boarded us and full of fish and chip shops it would give a much better impression.

:|

Is that your way of telling us that there's a Leicester - Notttingham, East Midlands thing going on?

:lol: nooo... we love Leicester down here in Nottingham. ;)

:|

Is that your way of telling us that there's a Leicester - Notttingham, East Midlands thing going on?

Oh don't start! Just look at some of our threads.

We in Leicester are more than aware that we have unattractive areas and things are improving alot. Unfortunately. What we are seeing now in terms of regeneration should have started years ago and it's better late than never!

:lol: nooo... we love Leicester down here in Nottingham. ;)

:lol: indeed!

^^yep :D i mentioned it in my photo thread, *cough* its always been like that :yes:

although you lot up there will probably deny it and would rather die then admit it, i think Notts, leics, and Derby all have very similar qualities (hell even the west mid metro city/town centres do!) Midland cities have this market town (in the very best sense, this IS a compliment) look in their centres and are quite suburban (i mean all leafy and not as dense as say the ones down south or further up north are, its hard to explain!) almost immediately after you leave the centre ishiesiesisisisisdsddjf,fnd.

still,

i find Leicester abit of a dark horse! :cool:

The three cities couldn't be more different! :lol: Just see the rift bewteen Leicester and Nottingham.

Leicester can be seen as a 'dark horse' and there is more to it than what meets the eye. ;)

The three cities couldn't be more different! :lol: Just see the rift bewteen Leicester and Nottingham.

Leicester can be seen as a 'dark horse' and there is more to it than what meets the eye. ;)

but they're still midlanish to me :banana:

I think that football gesture by Leicester the other night went further than any talk or marketing spiel! And then Nottingham repayed the niceness by letting the Foxes score 2 late goals lol!

but they're still midlanish to me :banana:

Don't lump us all in together, they are East Midland, we're the real thing.

It may not be a bad thing that us 'East' Midlanders are not 'Midlanders'! :lol:

I'm only messing. Actually I went to Leicester for the first time a few months ago and I was pleasantly surprised by it.

Still haven't been to Derby though.

I'm only messing. Actually I went to Leicester for the first time a few months ago and I was pleasantly surprised by it.

Still haven't been to Derby though.

Just out of curiousity what were you 'pleasantly surprised' of? I'd like to know as quite a few people say that after coming to Leicester.:)

I liked the university area near the station, theres a nice little park there which I liked. There were more old buildings than I was led to believe, I was expecting a bit of a drab grey place and while it may have had patches like that, it wasn't the majority from what I saw.

I also liked the multi-cultural-esque feel.

Unfortunately it's those few drab places that stick out like a sore thumb in Leicester city centre. I think the planners in the 60's/70's went abit 'dippy' :nuts: when they put some of those buildings up. :lol:

I think you are reffering to Victoria Park?

Quality inner-city housing

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/we1.jpg

I always think that Tower looks like it belong in Italy rather than Glasgow, what is it anyways, a church?

Trinity College ma man.

Ahhhh right. Thanks Boards! Park Circus is a lovely area of Glasgow with the towers and spires.

Certainly no inner-city areas in the English core cities can match the West End.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/we2.jpg

Certainly no inner-city areas in the English core cities can match the West End.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/we2.jpg

Bristol may have? ;) (although not as grand!)

although the west end is easily the grandest, and bestestestestest inner suburb area outside of london though. (ignoring Edinburghenvilletownchesterton-upon-firth of Forth, although with that said...)

and some very nice sandstone(?) used on the buildings too.

Certainly quality buidings materials throughout, they rarely build them like that anymore in the UK. Its the complete package, scale, parks private gardens and greens.

Southside isn't too shabby either, taken by moi on Boxing day.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/DSCF0492.jpg

Certainly quality buidings materials throughout, they rarely build them like that anymore in the UK. Its the complete package, scale, parks private gardens and greens.

Southside isn't too shabby either, taken by moi on Boxing day.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/DSCF0492.jpg

Nice, :yes: how expensive are those houses?

I've always wondered if the (well... one of many- :|) reason they dont ''build them like they used to''- is because they cant? (say the quarry for the local stone has been closed for years, or the stone is very expensive, and no one nowadays knows how to do complicated brick works and mouldings :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:) I'd love to see a new building in London have that mustard yellow clay brick.

Not hugely expensive at all, in the image below my mate used to live in the block next to the church in the foreground - about £150,000 for a 2 bedroom flat but in the area you can get a 2 bedroom for 100k, thats the great thing about Glasgow you can afford somewhere decent, never understood people that boast about the highest average house prices, its crazy and leads to problems like attracting staff and people to the area in the long-term.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/ss1.jpg

Not hugely expensive at all, in the image below my mate used to live in the block next to the church in the foreground - about £150,000 for a 2 bedroom flat but in the area you can get a 2 bedroom for 100k, thats the great thing about Glasgow you can afford somewhere decent, never understood people that boast about the highest average house prices, its crazy and leads to problems like attracting staff and people to the area in the long-term.


whats rent like?

that does seem very cheap though, suspicously though :sly:

here it would be double (perhaps tripple) here :cry:.

there were some flats for sale in these (each floor has been turned into a seperate flat :ohno:) cheapest ones are the basement flats at around £300,000- £400,000 :gaah: (although here they're understandable seeing as they're a landmark, elswhere in town its rather crazy)

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Clifton%20area/DSC_0550.jpg

Rents are quality prices too, check this flat in the church in the foreground of that picture, £695pcm! But £500 will get you a nice place. Its the good life up here, pity you guys down south paying through the nose, laugh is wages are similar up here to the core cities.

http://www.s1rental.com/renting/search/200710011023304778.shtml

funny thing is is that until recently (well recently in the grand scheme of things:|) alot of those houses (not the crescent)were quite undesirable while they were Whole.

i guess the plus side down here (or at least here) is that nationally its in a very good location.

£700 eh? i dont trust these things, somethings wrong those properties i swear! :lol:

even in the undesirable areas (well the inner city ones, good luck trying to sell your house in Hartcliffe ;)) its rather expensive for what you get,

£700 eh? i dont trust these things, somethings wrong those properties i swear! :lol:



:lol: Thats another great thing theres tens of thousands of these rock solid quality stone built tenemants, not like the paper thin wall, 30 year lifespan new-build pish some wankers lap up. Youre just paying over the odds mate;)

let me guess... there's no heating :sly:!!!!! creepy neighbours?

:lol: my dad was working on this 1980s house and the walls were so thin, you could break through incredibly easily with a hand drill.

Sorry mate no downside. Thats shocking, you'd need a tank to get through these bad boys.

Actually i've found out that downside is that they're in Glasgow ;)

:lol: Could be worse, could be in Bristol AND you'd have to pay three times as much.

:cry: :tongue:

Aw I'm only kidding, I quite like Bristol a lot, much better than some of the cities in England. Get that chilled out vibe as you get to Leigh Delamere services, then theres the good weather and the architecture and streetscape is far, far superior to most large English cities.

^^ Unfortunately you really pay for it :cry:

I guess I should post pics,
check out these ugly motherf**kers, (pebbledashed into oblivion :no:)
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Clifton%20area/DSC_0580.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Clifton%20area/DSC_0582.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Clifton%20area/DSC_0579.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Clifton%20area/DSC_0572.jpg

I think the areas around Canning and Toxteth would give it a run for its money, but!

Superb pic.

Certainly no inner-city areas in the English core cities can match the West End.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/we2.jpg

got to love their tenements :yes: and the colour of the stone(s)

Certainly no inner-city areas in the English core cities can match the West End.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/we2.jpg

or the City centre.

Shame about the lack of high-rises (sorry, had to add something negative before this turns into a love in!)

or the City centre.

Shame about the lack of high-rises (sorry, had to add something negative before this turns into a love in!)

well look back a few pages and you'll see that things have a way of naturally working themselves out :| :yes:

Quite happy with the city the way it is, the approach to the city centre shows suitable density and bulk. Great pictures of Bristol, Helium.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/DSC00183.jpg

Thought that was Leeds then :doh: the city (glasgow) could do with an observation something or other though.

Its got one, it just out of shot to the left, the Science Centre and Tower, the world's busiest IMAX outside north america, the tower itself is the largest fully rotating tower in the world and the buildings are one of only two buildings in Europe clad in titanium ( Guggenheim in Bilbao is the other ).

I see, well then it needs an observation deck thats higher up in a (very) tall building then! :bleep: :yes:

Cant build huge straight away, just looks out of proportion to the rest of the city. Anyway there's plenty of mountains you can see the city from.

well Manchester and Taipei did it :| :shifty:

thought that was Leeds then :doh: the city (glasgow) could do with an observation something or other though,

you evil bitch lol :P

well Manchester and Taipei did it :| :shifty:

It just ends up dwarfing the rest of the skyline, sticking out like a sore thumb - composition is key, it amazes me people on this forum couldn't care less what goes up as long as its tall.

It just ends up dwarfing the rest of the skyline, sticking out like a sore thumb - composition is key, it amazes me people on this forum couldn't care less what goes up as long as its tall.

hey now! dont be so judgemental :pet: i never said that... technically... :shifty:

Its ok to like a big one Helium:lol:

indeed it is. :yes:


well if its going to have a cluster etc. its going to have to have a building that will look out of proportion until some other buildings balance things out right? or something like that...?

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For Helium;)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/g1-2.jpg

Any Bristol gold for me?

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Unfortunately not at the mo'
well, i'll have some new pics in the week.


As we're on the subject of inner city areas....


Newcastle is a bit of a blank one! don't know any areas, don't even know what their inner city housing stock looks like :eek:

I lived in Newcastle for fifteen years, it has some very nice areas. The streetscape is so underrated its untrue, its up there with the best of them.

Newcastle is a bit of a blank one! don't know any areas, don't even know what their inner city housing stock looks like :eek:

nothing special, just terraced housing mainly.

when were you last in Leeds boards?

There are nicer areas of housing in parts of Jesmond and Gosforth of course. The terrace housing aspect makes it similar to most northern English cities for large parts.

when were you last in Leeds boards?

I visited to look at BWP, so must have been in the last 18 months I reckon.

i like this view of a small town near leeds, its very glasgowesque

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/450956650_6cfb647e68.jpg

The warehousing is very similar to Dundas Wharf, is there a canal running by the buildings?

also this one, another small town near leeds, one of my faves this:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/188/406188089_4e2aa4e080.jpg?v=0

:lol: Nice try. Far denser than Leeds though.

:lol: i still cant get over how glasgow looks like dewsbury, seriously.

It would be interesting to know if there were any buildings by the same architects, back in the day a number of leading architects worked all over the UK. It would be interesting to know if similar stone was used.

the stone looks very similar, but probably isn't the same,

Its very unlikely isn't it? Apparantly Dewbury is renowned for its respledent architecture.

dewsbury is not renowned for its architecture at all. most ppl in yorkshire associate dewsbury as being a horrible scruffy dump.. and its sad that ppl round here have such views. A lot of people who hate dewsbury and think its the worst shit hole ever have never left their town, and dont realise how architecturallty pleasent it actually is compared to other places. insular to say the least.

well, Dewsbury looks nice :yes:

as for the same architects, maybe... http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/thinking.gif probably the same architect school...

That Yorkshire stone seems almost cotswold-esque, although the latter looks golden/ more yellow intense when new or cleaned up.

It does have some outstanding buildings. Thanks for posting them wiggy.

I have an irrational hatred for Dewsbury, its name reminds me of somewhere else... :puke:

:lol: Shrews...

:puke:

It looks lovely, some great old buildings. Quality by-pass too.

Lovely or not its still the next town over, its the law.

That by pass is so you can get the hell away from there.

I have an irrational hatred for Dewsbury, its name reminds me of somewhere else... :puke:

do you consider south Gloucestershire to be apart of Gloucestershire :dunno:

Is Telford nice, I've never been. In fact the M54 is the only motorway in the UK I haven't driven.

Is Telford nice, I've never been. In fact the M54 is the only motorway in the UK I haven't driven.

Its one of the better new towns, puts Cumbernauld to shame. I wouldn't describe it as nice though.

Its just a bit meh. We do have a world heritage site though.

Here is a thread on it, it has the odd picture http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=408481

do you consider south Gloucestershire to be apart of Gloucestershire :dunno:

Dunno, is it unitary.

^^damn you.

Is Telford nice, I've never been. In fact the M54 is the only motorway in the UK I haven't driven.

its like Yate.

^^damn you.

Damn who, why?

Ooh lovely.

Damn who, why?

because it is unitary, it was a trap i set for you, :devil: