that guildhall is on a road where its hard to get a decent view of it, be amazing if it was by a square or something :yes:, still very impressive to say the least:happy:

Well im off to bed again :yes:

nice

St John's lane side of St George's Hall, from Flickr
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why are there some pair of legs on that ledge the right hand side! :shocked:

amazing building!, although this is one of those instances where the street furniture could really do with abit of toning down or fecking off :yes:

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For me Glasgow is superb and Liverpool too. :cheers:

A few Newcastle pics:

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What he^^ said. :drool:

superb post hollow man - this pic is my fave :cheers:

it has everything, lovely old buildings, a fantastic bridge over a river, a ship, a bus, traffic lights, and even a bloke standing at the bus stop "holding one in".


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it reminds me of a much more refined version of D.U.M.B.O .

Love the pic of the bridge cutting through the all buildings. Infact Newcastle looks to have some really impressive architecture, we dont get to see enough of it.

Looks a bit like Seattle in that pic I think. Just with nicer buildings. :yes:

Yeah Newcastle is amazing.

Newcastle has a really good streetscape on the whole. Although some like hills, I hate them. I find them horrible in Newcastle; but the streetscape more than makes up for it. Although it's a pity so much of the shopping is in Eldon Square rather than open-street shopping. The Gate is nice inside too; not much in there though :S Just like The Light.

you hate hills...?

err umm

it'd best not come down here to often :shifty:

Well I can manage them if I have to! But the worst thing is having to hike up hills when you're trying to shop, and you have loads of bags; especially if it's raining and you just want to get the train and go home!

I was in Bristol last november, and when I lived in the south I went now and then. Yes, wasn't particularly fond of the hills! But nice streetscape anyway. Bradford too- hilly but nice streetscape. Batley is the worst place for hills I know though.

some from sheffield,

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:happy:

very nice

Sheffield has got lots of lovely looking streetscapes these days. The top of Fargate is good area since RIver Island and Carmel House were cleaned up.

Newcastle is just amazing at times. I love the quayside, Grey Street and around the monument. Just a shame Eldon Square is such a monster.

Newcastle UT and Leeds are available on Live local Birds eye mode now :yes: :banana:
(for those that dont know)

theyre teh sex


just wish Glasgow, Liverpool and Manchester would hurry up...

They have been for quite a few months (well since about November) now actually :) The images are really up to date too.

is it wrong im having so much fun looking at it? :shifty:

Newcastle looks very unique, its housing stock is impressive, doesnt look Typically northern (but then its not) more in common with say Cardiff,Nottingham and places further down south :yes:

No lol; loads of people go on it just to have a look around! It's quite fun when you look in residential areas. I found out that lots of houses around my school have pools and tennis courts! So that was interesting.

i'll have a ganders round leeds in a min, right now im :drool: over newcastle,


but for fehcks sake, hurry up Manc,Pool and Glas!

Im on it now :) Sheffield is on there too, added at the same time Leeds and Newcastle were.

It shows off the streetscape well I think. You get a better idea of the density and make-up of each city from live maps than from individual pictures.

Sheffield was added a few months before :yes: although i think the latter rtwo may be more upto date...

looking at north Leeds now, just as leafy as on the aerial images :yes:

Oh ok. I only noticed Sheffield when I noticed Leeds.

Leafy?! I take it you're looking at the suburbs not the city centre!? The city centre is practically tree-free!

i said North Leeds :yes:

but yeah, central Leeds needs more trees.


hows that for a campaign slogan!

Leedz Needz Treez, Innit?

No lol; loads of people go on it just to have a look around! It's quite fun when you look in residential areas. I found out that lots of houses around my school have pools and tennis courts! So that was interesting.


Going downtown on the Liverpool/Manchester line used to be fantastic. If you do it now, where you run alongside the motorway between Roby and Broadgreen there used to be a huge line of art deco villas with massive swimming pools in their gardens... like shooting through Hollywood... then they kowck them all down to put the motorway in during the 70s', bastards!

dont it always seem to go, that you dont know whatcha got till its gone... they paved paradise to put up the M62, hey hey, they paved paradise to put up the M62.

Oh yes sorry so you did.

King Lane in North Leeds is like that; some large art deco villas and mansions with pools.

Lush,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/45886607_6e57a4ddea_o.jpg

Looks luvely. :yes:

after much dfgfgrftrtfewing i've come to the decision there's no such thing as a typical northern town or city whatsoever :yes: but there is.

Good stuff boards. But is it a match for red Manchester!? :)

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http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1031/1484903911_eb83fbf247_b.jpg

btw, nice deliberating Helium. :okay:

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looks brown to me... :shifty:

You should see the local stone in Cardiff, a purple grey colour. But then there is also the pink Penarth stone as well - funnilly enough no one has built anything with it to my knowledge lol.

You should see the local stone in Cardiff, a purple grey colour. But then there is also the pink Penarth stone as well - funnilly enough no one has built anything with it to my knowledge lol.

its the same here :yes:

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Good stuff boards. But is it a match for red Manchester!? :)


I would say so ;) Great stuff, buddy:)

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Crusty - whats that building in the left foreground of the pic I posted? It looks really unusual, or is it just the way the building is partly obscured?

i'd be more inclined to call that red :yes: maybe its because there's much pinker sandstones i've seen.

:drool: nonetheless

edit: images died.

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Cheers mate. Was it a Pollokshieds type estate? What's that mapping you're using? Would love to see some aerials of the Pollokshields mansions and the more swanky areas of the West End.

it always looks weird when a tennement has had bits hacked away :shifty:

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ah i see :yes:


id like to mention if you want to see a very pink sandstone go to East Devon (round Exeter sidmouth way) or West Somerset (around the Quantock hills or Exmoor) :yes:
its gorgeous!

with the latter do you mean like the pic i posted or something else? :shifty: if it is what i think youre saying then yes it would look odd!

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leeds, desperatly trying to do "the grim north" look :)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2184/2240918259_0564d89a26_o.jpg

Nice one Crusty! I read somewhere Pollokshields was the UK's first planned garden suburb, amazing it's not much further than a mile from the city centre, especially when you rise up the final section of the M77 with Haggs to your right and then the complete urbanity of the 17 lane M8 and city centre appears in front of you,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/DSC00183.jpg

Leeds does Wolverhampton:

http://www.asuz39.dsl.pipex.com/leeds-selection/427079997_c875a3fd78_o.jpg

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so the books say Boards, Pollokshields was laid out in 1849 and the west was designated for villa building only making it effectively the first planed garden suburb in the uk. one of the feuing (planning) conditions was that no two villas could be the same same the result being hundreds of unique villas in almost every style imaginable

if they tried that now, the only difference would be the colour of the doors and the like :|




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looks like leeds here.




























that was brought up once... trouble ensued. :shifty:
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i've said it before but Leeds is such a Northern city it hardly has a south :yes:

looks like leeds here.



yea it does. the first time i saw that pic i thought it was a pic of leeds too as you enter the loop on the city fringe on a wet dreary day.

Leeds does Bristol

http://www.asuz39.dsl.pipex.com/leeds-selection/river.jpg

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erm...

and Bristol does its Leeds? :shifty:

lol. leeds dont have any houses like that at all, and very few mill type things in the background that look more like penenine mills or lancastrian mills

you sure have weird looking terrced housing though :yes:

they're not wiered. theyre just naff. i'd never seeen a terrace house till i moved up north from london. and the idea of houses that backed straight onto the street with no front garden just seemed bizzare. I lived in one for 2 years while at uni... gardening was a breeze lol

wot do terrace houses look like there

Leeds has many Back-to-Backs, the proper ones where the back wall of one house is shared with the back wall of another. they must be quite rare outside Yorkshire.

Newcastle has Tyneside Flats which are terraced houses with two purpose-built entrances, one for a flat upstairs and another for a separate flat on the ground floor. derelict street of tyneside flats in what looks like scotswood or benwell.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2121/1952359914_d5a36c11e5_o.jpg

Sunderland has a weird idiosyncrasy, bungalow terraces of one-and-a-half storey height. cant find many examples out there but stumbled across this on flickr, there's miles of these things:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2248/2084930462_806ac91dc3_b.jpg

I don't think Sheffield really has any back-to-backs. :dunno: Terraces yes, but not really back to backs.

I don't think Sheffield really has any back-to-backs. Terraces yes, but not really back to backs.

last night i was having a brain fart :yes: trying to sum up the typical northern town, but it didnt go anywhere. in fact i ended up concluding that despite it seeming so, the different regions have building styles more similar than they let on... i guess the more dingy and tightly packed they are the more northern they be :nuts:


on Live local i was looking at those terraces Johnnypd (the sunderland ones) :yes: :happy:

so back2backs is just a leeds thing? I honestly thought it was a universal northern thing... im sure ive seen loads in manchester and greater manchester.

does anyone know the history behind this.. why leeds has them more specifically?

Just been talking to a well travelled person at work, he says all towns in the north have back2back housing, particularly ex industrial towns and cities that needed cheap housing for workers.

I always thought Leeds' inner city urban ring of terrace dwellings around the city centre was very small (1 to 2 miles outwards) and very quickly breaks out into suburbia, unlike some other places that tend to remain terrace housing for longer.

it depends what you mean by backed to backs, some may consider alot Liverpools terraced housing back to back because of how tightly packed alot them are as well as large swathes of Plymouths and Cardiffs.

the ones in Leeds (y'know the ones with no gardens back or front and no alley ways either) seem to be rather unique.

but when i visit relatives in leicester, there are complete areas and whole districts of the city (not just inner city) that are all back2back housing..

the ones in Leeds (y'know the ones with no gardens back or front and no alley ways either) seem to be rather unique.

ahh. the ones in lester im on about look the same from the front but have a tiny stone back yard, and some have ginnels. so i see what ya mean. i guess its a diferent style, but i suppose in a way they're all essentially the same ie inner city terrace housing stock

its hard to define, no one says a typical southern city, so i dont think that a typical northern city should hold any merit, (because it doesn't).


unless a typical northen city means coronation street style terraces and is grim with a broken economy [/sarcasm]

I mean Plymouth to me felt rather Northern because of the way it's terraces were developed I.e along Northern style similarities.

Never really thought about it, but Im sure I've seen back to backs in all northern cities, not just Leeds.

I also thought that picture was Leeds on first glance.

I don't think Leeds ever was quite the same gritty northern that Manchester/Liverpool were. It's inner city areas are nowhere near as expansive.

does back to back mean no back garden as well? because ive never seen any of them in Cardiff. Portsmouth has some very dense terraced housing, i lived in a two up two down terrace (albeit with a kitchen extension) for a year in portsmouth.

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Liverpool has loads of terraced housing of all shapes and sizes stretching out for miles and miles, but I would imagine any back-to-back housing would've gone the way of the Courts in the slum clearances. I'm not that familiar with all the areas though, so there may be some somewhere.

Back to back housing (ajoined on three sides) is still seen a lot in Leeds. I lived in them in my Uni days. Parts of Burley, Lower Headingley, and many parts on Hyde Park are back to back.

Sheffield used to have thousands of back to back properties in areas of the city, Attercliffe, 'Little Chicago' etc that led George Orwell to describe the city as 'the ugliest in the world'. They cleared them all to make way for the 'streets in the sky' of Parkhill, and other high rise social housing.

Having seen Parkhill and lived in the back to backs in Leeds, I can see why Sheffield did it, but know which I would prefer now.

There's a NT back-to-back museum in Birmingham isn't there?

We were actually just talking about this here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=327067&page=11

Back-to-backs in Leeds

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/438894403_57d974d617_b.jpg

would make decent homes if they were converted to single houses and not split down the middle. i bet they're great for students tho.

personally :puke:

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You lot are such snobs, back to backs, how common, urrgh!

You lot are such snobs, back to backs, how common, urrgh!

Yep. :yes:

found these lovely terraces in Liverpool on flickr :happy:, tbh alot of L'Pools decent, residential Victorian architecture is hidden away abit, or at least to visitors coming in the main way, or at least i didnt see much :dunno: just wish i saw them in person though, although after a good look on wikimapia they look abut far from the usual tourist haunts...

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of what i did see was more on the lines of say this: they're alright, they're quite quirky methinks.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/4-1.jpg

or those estate things :yes: :evil:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/4-1.jpg

they look like my house. 'cept I don't have any of this fancy front garden those rich people have.

^^alot of em there didnt have one either, they'd look good with those iron black painted fences :yes:


but :pet: btw

What i REALLY hate! is when terraced housing is painted. Its ok if they are painted different colours as you see in Bristol, but when one or two are pinted it makes whole streets look gruby and run down IMO. There are some amazing terraced streets in portsmouth that are amazing because all the terraced houses form part of a larger architectural pattern with decoration running across all the buildings. I noticed recently in Newport that some terraced housing was bought in one go and redeveloped in one go, with the origional stonework being exposed underneath years of grim paint. What was beneath made me question why people do it or are allowed to do it, yellow bricks with black pattern over the windows and running across the top, much better than a hotch potch of paint from different times. I'd love to be able to take some terraced streets and restore them by removing the pebble dash, paint and awfull stone cladding that you see.

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Why Portsmouth Loses:

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From goxxy on Flickr

heres a street of terraced houses in liverpool that's been restored, along with old fashioned lighting and cobble stones. Image is from flickr

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/100/254434597_1d3d4d05c1_o.jpg

Now thats what im talking about yoshef, why cant alot of other strreets be like that?

I thought that university building was ok, but just down the rd from that you have a amazing building! one of my faves in the city, part of which you can see in this pic

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/portsmouth.jpg

heres a street of terraced houses in liverpool that's been restored, along with old fashioned lighting and cobble stones. Image is from flickr

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/100/254434597_1d3d4d05c1_o.jpg

:drool:

if they lost the PVC'ness of the windows and were replaced in the future with sash windows, then :drool: :drool: :drool:

:drool:

if they lost the PVC'ness of the windows and were replaced in the future with sash windows, then :drool: :drool: :drool:

yeah they're a pet hate of mine too :rant:

Traditional Glasgow terraces,

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This is Edge Lane in Liverpool. There are 370 victorian houses on this road that are going to be demolished in order to widen the road. It's a shame really but the city does need it. Picture from Tom from the Liverpool forum


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yoshef, that is criminal. :ohno:

well traffic looks alright there ;)


we did that here once... it didnt help, we have the worst traffic congestion in England and Wales outside of London :banana:

always lovely to see the Glasgow ones.

Glasgow sandstone= teh Sehcks. :drool:

well traffic looks alright there ;)


we did that here once... it didnt help, we have the worst traffic congestion in England outside of London :banana:

always lovely to see the Glasgow ones.

Glasgow sandstone= teh Sehcks. :drool:

there are arguments for and against with all projects like this. Personally, I'm sitting on the fence. The road is the main route into liverpool and links the unfinished M62 to the city centre.

always lovely to see the Glasgow ones.

Glasgow sandstone= teh Sehcks. :drool:

There's a lovely area across from the Botanics with numerous terraces,

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|g11#t=l&map=55.87808,-4.29521|17|8&loc=GB:55.87344:-4.31318:16|g11|G11

Sorry, haven't installed google earth yet!

i think its abit iffy tbh, there's lots of residential districts here that have had road schemes, Totterdown was infamous as the road scheme never actually came, but that didnt stop them knocking down half the area.

also the Easton bypass tour through that part of town, for the worst.

but then those areas of Liverpool are already rather gone so :dunno: its really a wierd dilema.

personally i never thought Liverpool had much in the way of traffic problems, hell i find Manchesters apparently notorious traffic rather quiet,

There's a lovely area across from the Botanics with numerous terraces,

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|g11#t=l&map=55.87808,-4.29521|17|8&loc=GB:55.87344:-4.31318:16|g11|G11

Sorry, haven't installed google earth yet!

neither have i :shifty:

personally i never thought Liverpool had much in the way of traffic problems, hell i find Manchesters apparently notorious traffic rather quiet,

Have to agree, find it a pleasure driving in Manchester city centre and the motorways in the vicinity. Glasgow is murder though, the M8, Clyde Tunnel and West End especially, keepmoving.com named five of the top twenty most congested points of the UK within central Glasgow, the entire south east had seven and the remaining eight from the rest of the UK ( four of the top five in Glasgow ).

As everyone's doing it, some Sheffield terraced houses from flickr:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/85/211070713_ca0b02347b.jpg?v=0
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1081/1391617824_8a1e7b851a.jpg?v=0
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2165/2176779764_3aec98abb3.jpg?v=0

I can vouch for Bristol coming to a complete standstill at rush hour. :ohno: And I agree, the journeys i've made over to Manchester (admittedly probably at weekends) have been queue free. :dunno:

Sheffield is generally pretty OK for traffic, although I go in the opposite direction to most peope. I often see people queueing (is that how you spell it) for a couple of miles along the Parkway into Sheffield, and Ecclesall Road is usually jammed completely along its length (but that's pretty much 24/7 that it's like that :|). I can't really comment on many other roads, cause I usually try to avoid the main ones. Oh yeah, and there's the couple of times a year when someone breaks down in an awkward place and the whole city comes to a standstill for a few hours, as everyone had basically been shunted onto one main route because of the road system.

Saying all that, Sheffield has been named as one of (if not the) slowest cities in the UK, with an average rush hour speed of something like 2mph. :|

^^Bristol is slower :yes: ;)

(nah Sheffield is defientely on par, you mention that road scheme... i thought Swindon was bad :bash: although we have to deal with you pesky northerners comin' down every summer via the M5 ;))

I think Bristol is slower :dunno: Unless I just caught it on a bad day. :|

believe me, it always like that... :bash:

it depends, what day dya visit? :dunno:

yoshef, that is criminal. :ohno:


Agreed.

fantastic view that :okay:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/85/211070713_ca0b02347b.jpg?v=0

http://www.cabe.org.uk/AssetLibrary/9940.jpg

:)

http://www.cabe.org.uk/AssetLibrary/9940.jpg

:)

obviously she didn't notice the "wet paint" sign on the park bench :cheers:

is that that Ancoats urban village thing i've been hearing so much about?

those are what terraces of that kind should look like (well, by that i mean proper windows not those stupid PVC things, and look at the front gardens! those balck iron railing fences are *squelch* :drool:


that pic shows what alot of terraces (of all kinds) could look like :yes: i think with lots of run down terraced streets, (with the front door right on the street) putting a very small plot infront of the house identical to the ones above, improve it so much.

gah! i have so much in my head i need to say... damn you Chogmook! :bleep: ;)

Hehe, that is indeed Ancoats Urban Village, earmarked for World Heritage Status.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2062/2206489722_b22bbde134_b.jpg

Flicr pic view from t'other side!

'Anita Street' was originally called 'Sanitary Street', but residents demanded the dropping of the 'S' and 'ry' to make it sound more pleasant!! :)

^^:lol:

they do look much more cosy and down a country lane like when they're like that, rather than satanic mill houses for the damned like ones found elsewhere in the city. :shifty:

although maybe its the brick or the general layout of the area, but London terraces in the east end that look like Manc ones (the non tidy-ed up ones) look less oppressive (for lack of a better term).

Boards, forget google earth, use http://maps.live.com/ instead - no download or install required... and it shows topography... wooooo... :P

Boards, forget google earth, use http://maps.live.com/ instead - no download or install required... and it shows topography... wooooo... :P

google maps is faster than both of them http://maps.google.co.uk/
there is Yahoo! Maps too, http://uk.maps.yahoo.com/

http://www.flashearth.com/ lets you switch between google maps/earth data & microshite ve data

:)

i use wikimapia.org, as it has a really large screen, there's no downloads and you can read up bits about places :yes: (its not amazing or anything its just the screen is really big....)

They're not all bad...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/U_of_Leeds_-_Terraces.jpg/800px-U_of_Leeds_-_Terraces.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/63955642_f46c228383.jpg?v=0

and up the road

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/188/376927879_6831f8cf18.jpg?v=0

Now thats what im talking about yoshef, why cant alot of other strreets be like that?

I thought that university building was ok, but just down the rd from that you have a amazing building! one of my faves in the city, part of which you can see in this pic

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/portsmouth.jpg

Charter House is easilly one of the best buildings in Portsmouth, I go to the Subway or the Greggs in it quite a lot. Unfortunatly, turn left from my pic on Winston Churchill Avenue and its just dross. Albiet the Trafalgar Hall student halls and new Highbury College building are pretty decent.

taken on my mobile phone today

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2290/2248481737_f9ff7bcb9b_b.jpg

pretty good mobile pic quality :yes:

well, that post war building really ruins that side of the square :ohno: i mean look at it...

Very dominating and out of style with the other buildings for me to consider it a beautiful streetscape, its a shame as the other buildings look nice, though the rd isnt too great, mayve you should have waited till the cars stopped.

naah. i like it. its a mixture of diferent buildings. Leeds has too many 'nice victorian streepscrapes', so for me its nice to take a pic of a street which has a mix of buildings

naah. i like it. its a mixture of diferent buildings. Leeds has too many 'nice victorian streetscapes', so for me its

nice to take a pic of a street which has a mix of buildings

if you say so ;)

Wellington guarding over the liveprool cultural quarter, pic from flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2091/2246881854_39486f0dec_b.jpg

two rather too big pics of Newall Street in Birmingham:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/robinsonworld/Birmingham/P1010258.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/robinsonworld/Birmingham/P1010261.jpg

i forget Liverpool's hilly... :shifty:

such grand spectacular buildings :yes: i cant help but feel somethings missing though :dunno: tell me what it is Yoshef :cry:

still, (ignoring St Johns shitbasket) it has one of the most impressive entrances into a city in the UK (well, via rail anyway :yes:) i wish we had something like that here... :( :)

Thats the problem, if it wasnt there then the city wouldnt have an image of progression.

Anyway portsmouth has quite a bad reputation for 60 planners (mainly due to the Tricorn) and being hit hard during the war but actually it has some really nice areas and streetscapes. Here are some pics from Flickr

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1321294152_48db516a72_b.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1331026089_4e00b25247_o.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1337985596_21ce5af06b_b.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1350499449_ef1aa80238_b.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1403810397_a93b0d1680_o.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1407974703_581d0cc3d0_b.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1407982297_1d98694b89_b.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1407999709_b1b241e8f2_b.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1408000415_5f870115f8_b.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1408013441_f5253d32ea_b.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1408860684_2bfe7e6c80_b.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1408884814_0bbbacfb5d_b.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1442278123_4a91d46cda_o.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1480223608_2718b2f46b_o.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/1726195437_bee9f1dd05_b.jpg

i forget Liverpool's hilly... :shifty:

such grand spectacular buildings :yes: i cant help but feel somethings missing though :dunno: tell me what it is Yoshef :cry:
)

people?

:poke: Another chance to put those pics of that 2008 COC concert pics up!

the city centre itself is rather :puke: but the further away you get the nicer it is, the Southsea area (which is in a few of those pics) is the best area i think, :yes: isnt it sort of a secondary centre and the main one for Portsmouths more affluent residents? i.e a Clifton or Glasgow West end (of sorts :dunno)

also that pub (the Shipn Anson) was downloadable on Simtropolis :happy: i think Ill tonkso made it?

people?

:poke: Another chance to put those pics of that 2008 COC concert pics up!

Maybe... :shifty:

i forget Liverpool's hilly... :shifty:

such grand spectacular buildings :yes: i cant help but feel somethings missing though :dunno: tell me what it is Yoshef :cry:



I see what you mean. All that open space cluttered up with all sorts of stuff detracts from the buildings some what. Maybe whats lacking is an actual street to give it more of an intimate feel.

people?

:poke: Another chance to put those pics of that 2008 COC concert pics up!

yay! some people - not really a streetscape but amazin photo by pete carr

Oh, in the Daily Post too? I was only told it was in the Echo. Either way, ace :D

http://www.vanilladays.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/img_8248.jpg

Thats the photo, but yeah its well worth getting the paper to see it large.


and one from kennyrouge


some pics from my spec tonight

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa278/keithg66/P1020023.jpg

:nuts:

i dont know, maybe, its probably the fact that it isnt lacking anything (bar people) is what is lacking :shifty:

still, it is absoultely :drool: :drool: :drool:

(although i know whats behind those buildings however :sly:)

edit: ah people! :drool: :happy:

I see what you mean. All that open space cluttered up with all sorts of stuff detracts from the buildings some what. Maybe whats lacking is an actual street to give it more of an intimate feel.

it is a street, Lime Street - the other side, consisting of the empire theatre, great north western hotel and lime street station, is just out of shot.

unfortunately, probably worse than the last leeds shot, there is some horrendous 60s style grotesqueness next to the station (concourse house) and st johns pooshed

More Hull

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/61/94/619471_818681a5.jpg

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/61/94/619463_782978cf.jpg

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/62/03/620329_ad5fe33d.jpg

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/62/61/626181_f9330853.jpg

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/64/26/642683_6e2cb861.jpg

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/16/41/164175_045f668d.jpg

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/24/71/247155_6f9afc17.jpg

I spotted the street, its just the general openness of things but maybe thats just me. There are some real stunners though. Although i saw somewhere that that building infront of one of the station arches is student apartments, what a waste :ohno:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/63/12/631249_5872917f.jpg

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/62/90/629033_5af1c14c.jpg

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/54/12/541236_6e344102.jpg

More Hull
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/61/94/619463_782978cf.jpg



Another view

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4373/picture241ok6.jpg

I spotted the street, its just the general openness of things but maybe thats just me. There are some real stunners though. Although i saw somewhere that that building infront of one of the station arches is student apartments, what a waste :ohno:

yeah thats the Great North Western Hotel:-
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/142/369156277_8e8a6705ff.jpg?v=0

it had been left to rot to be fair, I think its a good thing the uni started using it. Hopefully, in the near future they'll turn it back into a hotel.

i think alot of the houses in the Royal crescent in Bath were Student flats for a long time, now i think they're just flats (apart from the hotel and museum of course)

hopefully Liverpool'll be the next Glasgow, and it'll be a hotel again :happy:

yeah thats the Great North Western Hotel:-
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/142/369156277_8e8a6705ff.jpg?v=0

it had been left to rot to be fair, I think its a good thing the uni started using it. Hopefully, in the near future they'll turn it back into a hotel.

Yeah would be good to see it back as a hotel. Great North Western is a stunner.

You want contrastin' styles?, oh i'll give you contrasting styles.

(these were all taken in summer (duh) so idfjgdjdfj, it was a hot day you know :yes:)



http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/hashmashpash/DSC_0287-1.jpg


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/hashmashpash/DSC_0263.jpg

the ever graceful 5102 apartments

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/hashmashpash/DSC_0274.jpg

Graffiti round the back of the Cube cinema, (no drinking mind...)

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/hashmashpash/DSC_0112.jpg

That church, thats more of a cathedral... (yes hardly a streetscape thing, but i thought it made a good picture)
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/hashmashpash/DSC_0300.jpg

Outside the church on the green, are these 3 stones*, next to them was this family of three, sort of a contrasty idea thing (if ya get me :shifty:), it made a really good pic,





but this isn't it. (the actual one has been banished to the never world of lost digital image files...)instead you have this one...
still the same family though.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/hashmashpash/DSC_0305a.jpg

Nice square; was full to the brim with drunks and homeless people well into the mid nineties, in what was and still is in many respects a depressed area, hence the no drinking signs, and for those with a keen eye renovated georgian buildings (notice the roofs) and concrete monoliths to boot.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/hashmashpash/DSC_0137.jpg

some lovely brutal concrete(...and brick) splendour, (and just up outside the bus station too) just round the corner from the pic above.


Nice street name though... unless you're a capulet...

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/hashmashpash/DSC_0110.jpg

* dildo stones i call them, (god im a pervert....)

* dildo stones i call them, (god im a pervert....)

It was the first thing that i thought of as well when i saw it lol.

come on lads, show a bit of intelect... Phallii!

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/mockingbird/555/bnbring.gif

inner ring road in leeds that cuts thru the fringe of the city centre

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2381/2250711469_18de2cca6a_o.jpg

and one half of the road at rush hour lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2064/2250615249_2530b20ea2_b.jpg

^^you call that a traffic jam? :sly: ;)

come on lads, show a bit of intelect... Phallii!

never!

I've been stuck there. Great fun.

That's very similar to the section of the M8 in Glasgow city centre at Charing Cross.

Very cool picture of the Kingston Bridge under construction. Busiest stretch of road in the UK after the Heathrow section of the M25 ( DfT figures ), carries only 4000 vehicles a day fewer than that section of the M25 - only 6 of the bridges 10 lanes are measured though.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/btn1.jpg

That Adrian Wilson picture makes me laugh. Because of the long exposure, it makes it look like the traffic is whizzing through, but it's probably bumper to bumper moving at snail's pace.

That pic of the Kingston bridge always reminds me of the devastation caused when the inner ring road and new mersey tunnel where built in the North End. I can't find any pics yet, but did come across these two sites that may be of interest to some

http://www.scottiepress.org.uk/gallery/gallery1a.htm
http://www.scottiepress.org/projects/tourism.htm
is a community paper for the area that was destroyed most, the area around Scotland Rd, which at one time held 400,00 people http://www.scottiepress.org.uk

This one is a more generic one about Liverpool, but doesn't seem to have all the hyperbole that other economic and tourist websites do!!!
http://www.mersey-gateway.org/

It's hard to believe what's gone thesedays, I find it almost impossible to imagine the Gorbals only 50 years ago when I see them now. Some sources claim the population was around 700,000 in a few square miles.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/299526449_4de0fcc65c_b.jpg

taken by me on my mobile phone - its not sposed to be a best streetscape etc etc. its just a pic :P

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2110/2253819064_5e58c17352_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2121/2253025389_5d3cca5e81_b.jpg

Being a tightfisted newly adopted yorkshireman, we went to dublin a few weeks ago, a penny there and a penny back (no taxes etc). So i took sum pix on me phone for u guys.

Fantastic city. Was loverley. Very european feel too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2004/2253038465_f8497b5ce9_b.jpg

How beautiful is this? I went for a wee in maccy dee's, and took up pic from their upstairs bit thru the window lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2182/2253041453_b65e186e9c_b.jpg

coming from leeds, i wasnt sure wot this moving thing carrying people was, so i took a pic of it on my mobile phone

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2053/2253842610_ccc348d3dc_b.jpg

How beautiful is this? I went for a wee in maccy dee's, and took up pic from their upstairs bit thru the window lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2182/2253041453_b65e186e9c_b.jpg

I've been in that McDonalds! Not that I support McDonalds these days.

we didnt eat in mancdonalds! how very dare you :D

coming from leeds, i wasnt sure wot this moving thing carrying people was, so i took a pic of it on my mobile phone

:lol:

Very smart looking tram though. :yes:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2065/2181102814_e856fbf303_b.jpg
Drool, you know you want too :)


Drumaboy on flickr. Image Credit

:drool:

If you'd have got the crane in shot, Helium would have joined in!

no, sir i would not! :no:































:shifty:

Drool, you know you want too :)





you'd need one hell of a lot of lube and patience :shifty:

you'd need one hell of a lot of lube and patience :shifty:

Eh?

old and new

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2395/2255098105_47ea14a22e_b.jpg

Leeds does Bristol again :) lol

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/water.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/streetscaoe-1.jpg

shopping in leeds

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/street-1.jpg

Brigate street was always a little stark for my liking :shifty:

stark?

you know, stark as in bare, sparse, naked, lack of cover etc. etc.


(unless im spelling it wrong :shifty:)

ohh right, bare/stark lol. in what way.. do u mean there is not enough street furniture? or the street too wide?

its a open wide street, its stark, dunno what else to say :dunno: it could do with some trees (you could argue they would make the street more congested, but i dont think so)

yea. trees would look gorgeous. most cities in the UK lack enough trees on its main shopping streets, and its a shame as i think it makes streets look so much nicer, as noticed when you visit european cities.

the buildings are for the most part great though :yes:

down here we have a reasonable amount of trees :yes: but the buildings are shite. (well, for the the Broadmead area anyway...)

looking back at that pic again imo i agree it is very stark.. (ignoring the buildings) it looks like a fete gathering on an asda car park or somat lol it just doesnt look like a street

it reminds me of Queen street in Cardiff (which is nearly as wide), however Queen street has quite a few trees and they make alot of difference. (ignoring winter)

Queen Street Cardiff
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the trees deff make it nicer

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/120/255206863_680b6b1182_b.jpg

Briggatte Leeds
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http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1359/574801047_351992230f_b.jpg

originally briggate used to be a cattle market for farmers. On a saturday it still is...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/212/455878088_33490e443e.jpg

can see the harvey nicks :happy: we'll be getting one soon too, although not as grand :shifty:

also Leeds reminds of Cardiff, just generally, even though they feel different if that makes sense...

I understand what you mean about stark- some trees would be nice. The top end feels less "stark"- it could do with some density or focal point at the bottom of Briggate so it doesn't feel as open.

The Headrow, King Edward Street and Vicar Lane though both have excellent streetscapes as shopping streets and don't feel open.

I always think Briggate is a bit dissappointing, scale wise. To say it's the main shopping street, it's quite lowrise and open. I think that's one of the reasons why people often don't think of Leeds as such a big city. If you just go round the shopping areas it doesn't really have so much density. In the office areas it's completely different.

The latest plan in Glasgow is put a roof down the entire length of Buchanan Street, effectively turning the street into a giant arcade. Can't help thinking it would detract from the grandeur of the street and I think it would be very difficult to implement.

I know what you mean; yes the office districts give a completely different experience. Briggate is the main shopping street, but it's kinda artificial- it shouldn't be. The Headrow should be the main shopping street, and in the next few years we will start to see that transformation. The Headrow will start to have the retail space and improved environment for shopping, although the main challenge will be to get the big names onto The Headrow.

There has long been a proposal to arcade Briggate, although I hope it never happens because Leeds has loads of arcades already, and I like the fact you can shop outside in Leeds. Leeds' shopping is usually triumphed for the experience more so than the shops, often; to start turning the whole city into a massive network of arcades and effectively a shopping centre would ruin it. I doubt it will happen anyway. It's more likely King Edward Street or lower Albion Street will be arcaded, I think.

Some pics from the visitscotland's flickr I hadn't seen before,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/1340652243_e00f098aa8.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/1340812719_d857871313_o.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/1340813339_af72997599.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/1341702464_63bb22bdc6_o.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/1341868390_ee59afa80f.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/1340817423_caca200f59.jpg

yea. trees would look gorgeous. most cities in the UK lack enough trees on its main shopping streets, and its a shame as i think it makes streets look so much nicer, as noticed when you visit european cities.


Church St and Lord St in Liverpool had loads of trees. They looked great, part of the pedestrianisation of the early 70s'. They cut them all down last year!!!!

Stupid cunts.

Even in winter the trees add interest to Queen street

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/2225881341_85761f6256_o.jpg

:happy: never actually been to cardiff in winter :happy: but you know how trees are that time of year, :shifty:

I always think Briggate is a bit dissappointing, scale wise. To say it's the main shopping street, it's quite lowrise .

But arnt all pedestrianised main shopping streets quite lowrise? Buchanen st in glasgow is, and so is birminghams main shopping streets outside of the bullring complex. Manchester's main shopping is in the arndale.

Also, isnt that what makes such shopping zones like briggate or buchanen st so appealing.. they maintain a traditional shopping high street just like large towns have despite being cities.

I don't mean lowrise as in 5 storeys upwards, but Briggate has a lot of even smaller buildings (~two storeys).

Birmingham's main shopping street (New Street I think) isn't anything like as lowrise as Briggate. Most the buildings are 7 storeys upwards. :dunno: Yeah, I guess around the Arndale in manc is quite lowrise, Sheffields Fargete is mostly 4-6 storey old buildings (i.e. taller than a 4-6 storey modern building) so seems 'bigger' (although areas like the Moor and Division Street are annoyingly lowrise).

I guess yeah some people like the lowrise-ness, I just feel it's a bit too lowrise on briggate (especially towards the bottom end).

is this new street?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/394428792_97c98fd3e7.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/76/161932460_4a5eaf53d2.jpg?v=0

and this is sheffield fargate

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/124869023_c038e4071b.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/4954116_ae5cdf71fe.jpg?v=0

:dunno:

Yeah, that's Fargate. Apart from Next and the building next to it, they're all tallish, mostly older buildings. And by tallish I don't mean highrise, I just mean they're not 2/3 storeys like you see down the bottom of Briggate.

As for New Street, that's not how I've got it pictured in my mind, so i'll see if I can find some pics when I get home.

And i'm not trying to have a dig at Leeds here BTW, just I don't feel Briggate is one of it's best bits.

Bit of winter magic for you Heli,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/115350835_c2fc464106_b.jpg

the one of fargate looks as low rise as briggate tho lol :dunno: btw im not disagreeing with you, briggatte is lowrise, but then i feel all pedestrianised main streets are low rise affairs, and new street, and fargate look no diferent height wise.



love the snowy picture of glasgow is it still snowing there? or is that a pic of the net

Yeah, that's Fargate. Apart from Next and the building next to it, they're all tallish, mostly older buildings. And by tallish I don't mean highrise, I just mean they're not 2/3 storeys like you see down the bottom of Briggate.

As for New Street, that's not how I've got it pictured in my mind, so i'll see if I can find some pics when I get home.


Do you mean this bit?

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/robinsonworld/Birmingham/P1010124.jpg

the one of fargate looks as low rise as briggate tho lol :dunno: btw im not disagreeing with you, briggatte is lowrise, but then i feel all pedestrianised main streets are low rise affairs, and new street, and fargate look no diferent height wise.



love the snowy picture of glasgow is it still snowing there? or is that a pic of the net

Snowed last weekend but melted fairly quickly - so no snow at the mo. It's rare it snows in the city centre due to height island effect ( city centre is almost at sea level too ). Out in the southside in Newton Mearns ( 300-400 ft above sea level ) it can lie for weeks when the city centre hasn't even seen a flake, East Kilbride is even higher at 600ft in places. In saying that it snowed late March '06 and dumped over a foot in the city in places including the city centre. My mates the Mearns have pics of their cars buried in the snow. I imagine there's parts near Leeds that get covered too, your neck of the woods?

how much of new st pedestrianised shopping bit is all that high tho :P Most of it is much lower in height

Snowed last weekend but melted fairly quickly - so no snow at the mo. It's rare it snows in the city centre due to height island effect ( city centre is almost at sea level too ). Out in the southside in Newton Mearns ( 300-400 ft above sea level ) it can lie for weeks when the city centre hasn't even seen a flake, East Kilbride is even higher at 600ft in places. In saying that it snowed late March '06 and dumped over a foot in the city in places including the city centre. My mates the Mearns have pics of their cars buried in the snow. I imagine there's parts near Leeds that get covered too, your neck of the woods?

glasgow is near snow capped mountains aint it? im sure ive seen it in some pix. always a lovely backdrop

dint snow here really, bit of frost. but north leeds gets is worse, its a funny microclimate thing

They're fairly visible to the west, the Arrochar Alps. Ben Lomond from a lot of the Southside, you can see the Ochills from parts of the southside too.

Part of the West End skyline,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/1241029303_913730b40a_o.jpg

i would say that New street was on average taller i cant recall there being any building with less than 4 or 5 floors and the floors themselves were big, but it is a narrower thoroughfare so it appears even more so mind.

Another nice one,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/293156554_d0219cdbc6_o.jpg

how much of new st pedestrianised shopping bit is all that high tho :P Most of it is much lower in height

About halfa quarter to a third, I'd guestermate.

Well, at the end you've got the Rotunda, BullRing, and that's pretty tall, bit of a low bit with the Big Top over the road, then you've got that biggish Art Deco thing, I just posted a picture of, and on the other side the Burlington Hotel, that's at least the same height, if not taller, in fact the buildings are too tall around there, makes it a big dark to be honest.

old picture:

http://www.virtualbrum.co.uk/images/newst/xmas1.jpg

then you've got the HSBC builing that's big, if not pretty, some err.. pretty victorian stuff, 4/5 floors? i dunno, Then you get things like the

http://www.virtualbrum.co.uk/images/newst/newst.jpg

That big grey Building has been blown up BTW... And I can't be bothered going on...

Yeah, that's Fargate. Apart from Next and the building next to it, they're all tallish, mostly older buildings. And by tallish I don't mean highrise, I just mean they're not 2/3 storeys like you see down the bottom of Briggate.

As for New Street, that's not how I've got it pictured in my mind, so i'll see if I can find some pics when I get home.

And i'm not trying to have a dig at Leeds here BTW, just I don't feel Briggate is one of it's best bits.

I always thought that briggate would make a nice upmarket shopping steet rather than the focul shopping street with posh boutiques than high street chains. The headrow feels much larger and with the current renovations on that street more shops will be on there. Plus with eastgate next door briggate won't really be the only main shopping steet.

the one of fargate looks as low rise as briggate tho lol :dunno: btw im not disagreeing with you, briggatte is lowrise, but then i feel all pedestrianised main streets are low rise affairs, and new street, and fargate look no diferent height wise.

There's not much difference in height, but compare:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1112/1052102507_735c390fd9.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/2/1736546_6aa80f8adc.jpg?v=0

with:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/124869023_c038e4071b.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/4954116_ae5cdf71fe.jpg?v=0

I think the average height is about one storey higher with Fargate (it's about the only place in Sheffield with taller old buildings like that), and I reckon the street is a bit narrower which might make it feel less open too.

(I think the opposite end of both streets have bigger buildings though)

About halfa quarter to a third, I'd guestermate.

Well, at the end you've got the Rotunda, BullRing, and that's pretty tall, bit of a low bit with the Big Top over the road, then you've got that biggish Art Deco thing, I just posted a picture of, and on the other side the Burlington Hotel, that's at least the same height, if not taller, in fact the buildings are too tall around there, makes it a big dark to be honest.

old picture:

http://www.virtualbrum.co.uk/images/newst/xmas1.jpg

then you've got the HSBC builing that's big, if not pretty, some err.. pretty victorian stuff, 4/5 floors? i dunno, Then you get things like the

http://www.virtualbrum.co.uk/images/newst/newst.jpg

That big grey Building has been blown up BTW... And I can't be bothered going on...

That's more like what I was thinking of.

Briggate isn't really low rise, as people perceive. It feels low rise because the street is exceptionally wide. Most buildings are 3/4 storeys+

There's not much difference in height, but compare:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1112/1052102507_735c390fd9.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/2/1736546_6aa80f8adc.jpg?v=0

with:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/124869023_c038e4071b.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/4954116_ae5cdf71fe.jpg?v=0

I think the average height is about one storey higher with Fargate (it's about the only place in Sheffield with taller old buildings like that), and I reckon the street is a bit narrower which might make it feel less open too.

(I think the opposite end of both streets have bigger buildings though)

i guess its all subjective. imo fargate in those pics looks more low rise and more reminscent of a small local suburban village/town centre like morley town centre where I live (population 27,000)

Sheffield Buildings look taller, and maybe because of the stone, not red brick looks slighty more cityish than Brigate, not that's necessary a good or bad thing of course.

hmm i dunno. im confused. some pics of fargate look tallish, but others the buildings seem didi and like a market town. But then, looking at some pics on flickr of briggate the building sizes are small in some and big in others.

I guess, you'vve been to both high streets. I havent. so i dont know. :dunno:

The only thing i can think of is that briggatte, being a straight long road, makes it feel bigger, "grander", then a curvey street town centre even tho the building heights are similar.

Taken by my fair hand :shifty:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/robinsonworld/HPIM0499.jpg

Cough-cough...

^^Nice pic Bachy. :lol:

i guess its all subjective. imo fargate in those pics looks more low rise and more reminscent of a small local suburban village/town centre like morley town centre where I live (population 27,000)

Ok wiggely ;)


Anyway, some more Fargate pics.

Taken from a bit further back:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/224/501978995_50e4d2d427.jpg?v=0
(I wish they'd get rid of Next and the building next to it and build something of a similar scale to everything else on Fargate. :bash:

And looking in the opposite direction:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1102/716234175_2b144c5f3f.jpg?v=0

And one more:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2094/2104340822_65dd8915f2.jpg?v=0

I wanted to find a picture showing the top of Fargate (looking in the opposite direction to all the other photo's), but no-one seems to have taken any! :|

I have been to both Fargate and Briggate. Not sure which I'd say felt "bigger". Fargate has some parallels to some streets in Bradford. The actual shops on Briggate are much better though, which is what matters in the end! Even though Sheffield is a nice city, it doesn't feel like a big city. Walking round the city centre doesn't feel like you're walking round the centre of one of the UK's biggest cities. Perhaps it is the topography? Whereas some parts of Leeds City Centre feel like they would be in a city bigger than Leeds. Park Row being a good example.

Back to Fargate though; it has better architecture on the whole. Briggate has some really good buildings but they are split up by lots of buildings built post-war. If some of them were painted like H&M, they would look better.

ok. ive worked it out. been looking at live earth 3D, and fargate does look like taller buildings, that are more consistent too. However, the pedestrianised bit of fargate with all the shops on is quite small in length, and so it doesnt lend it self to feeling somewhere big. That's my take on it. not saying its right tho. Its just an explanation as to why i feel the pics shown dont feel bigger.

briggate on live earth is one straight long shopping street. The straight length makes its feel big.

both these are to scale

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/briggate-fargate.jpg

I have been to both Fargate and Briggate. Not sure which I'd say felt "bigger". Fargate has some parallels to some streets in Bradford. The actual shops on Briggate are much better though, which is what matters in the end! Even though Sheffield is a nice city, it doesn't feel like a big city. Walking round the city centre doesn't feel like you're walking round the centre of one of the UK's biggest cities. Perhaps it is the topography? Whereas some parts of Leeds City Centre feel like they would be in a city bigger than Leeds. Park Row being a good example.

I wasn't really comparing cities. My original point was that Briggate doesn't give the 'big city' feel that you get elsewhere in Leeds. But yeah, the shops on Briggate are better.

And wiggely, what does the length prove? :dunno: You could've carried that line on up Pinstone Street, down the Moor, and in the other direction down High Street. That's essentially one line. Anyway, like I've said above, comparing the streets wasn't my original point.

I wasn't really comparing cities. My original point was that Briggate doesn't give the 'big city' feel that you get elsewhere in Leeds. But yeah, the shops on Briggate are better.

And wiggely, what does the length prove? :dunno: You could've carried that line on up Pinstone Street, down the Moor, and in the other direction down High Street. That's essentially one line. Anyway, like I've said above, comparing the streets wasn't my original point.

ok. sorry. fair enough. i do agree with your points tho. My comments were not intended to sound confrontational. it was interesting looking into why its so and the diferences, and how the diferences can be perceived diferently. I need to get me ass round sheffield to look round. Last time i went was years ago to some of the pubs round the train station, then some of the more seedy pubs up attercliffe :shifty:

i used to live in doncaster. we used to go out round leeds mostly but did go to sheff once. i got into a fight hah, and the other half ended up smashin a pub window in :ohno: dint go back since

wiggley getting into a fight?! :shocked:

never!

:| ;)





:pet: :hug:

WL, in a loud London cum Leeds Voice: "Oh, dear, what a poorly designed rococo archway, the ones in Leeds are much better."

Random local: "Did I just hear you dis our Architecture?"
etc etc..
http://midwestforums.com/forums/images/smilies/bitchSlap.gif

You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off t'ut tractor!;)

blurry pic that came out looking like the kind of picture found in a cheap 1980s ITV drama :shifty:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0131.jpg


The bearpit aka St James barton roundabout, note the single seats instead of benches.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0088.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0093.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0099.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0066.jpg


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http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0128.jpg

Nice. :yes: Although that premier inn building is shocking.

And flats built over a huge road? :dunno:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0099.jpg

to be fair they were built in the 1960s originally, as offices.


always wondered if terrorists have considered attacking it, as it'd be even more harder to prevent than a normal truck bomb situation as well look at it where it is :shifty:

the premier inn is shocking (although i think its fine height wise, and a reclad in some sort of Jura, or polished granite would do :drool:), by its base inbetween the bus station, is a sunken small shopping precinct, its rather weird... apparently there's a chinese that would only serve to chinese people there at one point...


(those pics were all taken yesterday :yes:)

a blurry cruddy pic, but after looking at more closely (before i was going to delete it), it on further inspection has a somewhat innuendoesque quality completely by chance :happy:

''It's one sausage fest after another''

or

''Bristolian men love lining up to tuck into abit of sausage''

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0018.jpg

i couldnt resist :|

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just up from those apartments that overhang the road, is a rather nice road and by nice i mean... gritty and somewhat menacing but it is rather unique :happy: :shifty:


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0098.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0113.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0112-1.jpg


*they sell pies in one of these shops*
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/DSC_0100.jpg


One of my top 3 favouritest shops :happy:

(called Here, its name causes confusion)

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/12feb/CSC_0133.jpg


suppose i should stop at least save some for the photothread :shifty:

for stephen bachy solentanche robinson :yes:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2033/2266257379_4dcfbb6584_o.jpg

parts of the notoriously ugly whitehall riverside, from the train station

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2033/2266257379_4dcfbb6584_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2174/2202743678_c078abc431_o.jpg

Leeds City Indoor Markets

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2129/1749183973_5a78d1968c_o.jpg

we never see that much of the corn exchange :poke:

Ghost Town :D

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/495922067_7096126933.jpg?v=0

just a typical weekday in Leeds then :yes: ;)

lol

:cry:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/162287120_8a5c280b0e_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/1798093509_8d1599e664.jpg?v=0
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1179/640978778_4dcac89d59.jpg?v=0

CornX (now changing to an Intl. food emporium as shops relocate to The Light and other units) and Exchange Quarter.

Just a couple from a sunny February morning in Cardiff Bay

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/CardiffBay.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/DSC00110.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/DaiB_photo/DSC00107.jpg

nice pics, always busy in the bay when the sun comes out. Also i love the vista up Lloyd George Ave to Altolousso and the Capital tower.

It never ceases to amaze me just how tiny Cardiff is

I don't think that a picture of every single street in Cardiff

I don't think that a picture of every single street in Cardiff

No, but having been there a number of times those pictures definitely show Cardiff the way it feels when you're there.

A few from Brum yesterday. And a lovely day it was too!

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/jamespdavey/DSC_0693-1.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/jamespdavey/DSC_0694.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/jamespdavey/DSC_0705.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/jamespdavey/DSC_0699-1.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/jamespdavey/DSC_0732.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/jamespdavey/DSC_0759.jpg

The second picture reminds me of Park Row.

lol. i thought exactly the same. the 2nd pic looks very leeds

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2250/2161467959_f14abdd068_b.jpg

No, but having been there a number of times those pictures definitely show Cardiff the way it feels when you're there.

How so? Certainly wouldn't argue that Cardiff is small, and the inner harbour of the Bay especially so, but the activity in those photos is at least on a par with the photos of Birmingham that follow it...

I *think* (don't quote me on this ;)) that Irwell means it gives the impression of being much bigger than it is. :yes:

Hmmm... a generous interpretation! And one that I would agree with, as it happens.

(Still don't think that's what he means though ;))

Hmmm... a generous interpretation! And one that I would agree with, as it happens.

(Still don't think that's what he means though ;))

Quite correct, I actually meant the exact opposite. Cardiff actually feels a lot smaller than statistics say it is in comparison to other cities in the country. I think it's simply that the density is nowhere near as high as a number of other places.

Oh ok. :lol: Well I said not to quote me on it. ;)

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