"He added: “The final height of the tower will indicate what extra time we will be allowed to work with, because the initial programme was for a certain height and the new height is different from the initial height. So there may be an adjustment of timing, but all of this is not clear yet"

i mean doesn't this sound exciting.. i still believe in the magical figure..


When I read this quote, I don't understand that the new height is necessarily higher than the initial height.

I didn't know it didn't cover the cost for labour... but it is not trolling to say that many workers in Dubai are treated as slaves. Burj Dubai is an amazing tower and everything... I'm sure it will be an architectural marvel for the world and I would love to see it in person. Dubai on the whole is also an amazing city and I would like to see it too, even though it was built by slavery.

The only reason he's saying that is because every time this issue comes up we get pages and pages of rants about dubai in general and this thread isn't for that.
Since this is an issue about the whole place and not just this tower it's better to open up a thread in the skybar or the citytalk section or else go here:
http://www1.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=330106&page=14

That is ONLY the cost of building the concrete/steel structure. It doesn't include electro-mechanical work, plumbing, lifts & escalators, interiour finishing, landscaping etc.
I think that's only the price for the structure, which doesn't include the cladding, interior works, etc
^^ not even piling is included there.
Ah, that sounds more realistic. Thanks for the clarification.

I'd love to see some more hi res (and recent) layouts and diagrams. Just hope that building is stable. You don't want the concrete to be too unprotected too long.

Take me to floor 195 please...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Burj_Dubai_Elevator.png

would it be possible to get this one in a better resolution?

http://i15.************/2j1o9ht.jpg

Hi all.
Only res I got ... Does remind me of another I got - wish it was higher res too and uncovered. Talking about the drawing partly covered up ...

http://i15.************/4dboz2v.jpg

:cheers:

When I read this quote, I don't understand that the new height is necessarily higher than the initial height.

if the delay its going to be because of the height (and other issues but this is principal one) its suposed that the building will be longer, if it were shorter there would be less work dont u think?
and, he said that we will notice it

if they are changing the height they might make setbacks of the wings longer & longer , not so shorte than they are atm

thats it. the bottom of pic is where the steel superstrauture for the spire takes over from concrete frame on lev156. ... i think
the lowest 7 or so floors are plant-must be levesl 157-162? then there seems to be about 20 steel floors which are uninhabitable and spire access by stairs (you can see the staircase near top if you look hard). so this means if you include these levels ,the total number of floors is 180m+.

Ive scaled drawing .if its 225m,
then the floor level 162 = 620m high. (top of 6th floor from bottom pic)
half way up is 120m mark or 695m high.
and base of "pinnacle" = 735m,(top of orange framing, highest part you can stand on Burj Dubai??- looks like stair access) which is what ive heard before, thus steel framed structure = 160m and pinnacle (green part) = 73m high, total=808m
my calcs.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6791/06110628bpn7.jpg
how do you know that those beam's are really going to be there when the tower is finished. so if those beam's aren't going to be there when it's finished then it's a BIG possibility of there being a habitable floor's up there???? can anybody answer this

I am surprised that the article of Structuremag I posted yesteday had not a single response... :( (for me it's very interesting)
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An old article (2004), but has an interesting comment (in bold):

Press release from SOM :
The developer of yet another proposed contender for the title of world’s tallest building is keeping the planned height a “well-guarded secret,” except to say that the classic-style skyscraper would “comfortably” exceed the 508 meter tall Taipei 101, headed for late-2004 completion. Groundbreaking for the challenger, a residential tower intended as the centerpiece of a 400-acre community in Dubai, U.A.E., is set to take place before year-end, says Mark Amirault, director of development for Emaar Properties PJSC, Dubai. Designers purposely shaped the structural concrete Burj Dubai - a fat “Y” in plan with a stepped-back profile - to “dramatically” reduce forces on the tower, keep the structure simple and foster constructibility, says structural engineer William F. Baker, partner in the Chicago office of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, the tower’s architect and engineer. “This building will cost less per square foot” than would Chicago’s 442m-tall Sears Tower, which the firm designed in steel, if Sears were built in Dubai, he claims. He describes the frame, with two-way flat slabs, as a buttressed core. Each wing, with its own core and perimeter columns only, buttresses the other two via a six-sided central core, or hub. The result is a tower that is stiff torsionally. SOM architects purposely lined up all the common central core elements to form a building with no structural transfers, says Baker.
The design has 15 tiers or groups of commonly shaped floors over 100 stories. The tiers are staggered, in a spiral stepping pattern, up the building. That causes the tower’s width to change at each setback. The purpose of all the stepping and shaping is to “confuse the wind,” says Baker. The wind “never gets organized,” he explains, because it often encounters a “different” building. Vortices frequencies vary from section to section, keeping the wind weaker. As designed, the building has a nine-second period. SOM is exploring damping - water storage tanks used for other purposes - but the building may not require it, says Baker. The tower’s mass and gravity loads will resist overturning and eliminate tension in the 50m-deep piles. This reduces needed reinforcing, Baker explains. Fast-track construction, managed by Turner, New York City, is to wind down late in 2008.
------------ End of the article -----------

I think that since then, price of concrete in Dubai has increased a lot, maybe more than steel, so I don't know if that comparison with Sears Tower about construction cost per square meter remains true. Anyway, despite Burj Dubai being incredibly tall, it's normalized cost (taking into account material costs, workforce costs, building area...) is very low for its size, so it means that the structural design of the Burj is very very efficient :). And remember that Sears tower is one of the hardest contenders in skyscraper history talking about structural efficiency (thanks to structural engineer Fazlur Rahman Khan ;)).

Another thing: In the article it's said that they (SOM) "were exploring damping"; actually, it has been stated more recently that they are not going to put any damping system into the building because they don't expect any need (despite it being very tall and slender!), although they have left room for it. This is another thing that proves Burj's efficient structural design.

About that article posted by Krazy (thanks a lot! :)), I think the "recent changes" they are refering to are the well known to us top extension from the 705 meters version, and not new modifications added to the 808m? version.

And it does not matter to me if the project is delayed several months; all I want is them to do it right, with quality, with attention to details, and high!!! In 20 years time nobody will remember if the Burj was finished on 2008 or 2009; we will only see if the result is good or not. Eiffel tower, Empire State Building or Chrysler are global icons not because they were built on time or not, but because the results were marvels.

I'll post soon something that (I hope! :lol:) will put to a very end the discussion about the current height of Burj Dubai :)



One important thing to remember, this towers FRAME will cost $900 million.

Thats not including the cladding, the interior outfitting, landscaping, etc...

just the interior outfitting alone I heard cancost up to 1 billion almost!!

So even with the cheap construction costs in Dubai, this tower will still be around within the 3-5 billion range. Probably around 7-10 billion for the entire complex including the mall...

In a way though that still a bargain, considering that some of the casinos in Vegas (40-50 floor range) have cost well over a billion to construct :)


I havent been around the forums lately... this tower is growing like crazy, actually exceeding my expectations as far as construction speed goes.. I just hope this cladding issue is ironed out soon, because no matter what Emaar says, there will most likely be a delay... nobody has ever built this high yet, so whats to say that they may not run into more issues as they get higher. After all, they are using equipment that set the new bar for construction, and this equipment is being used for the first time on anything this massive.. it proving grounds here!!

I think the Burj will be close to 200 floors personally... they may build 162 floors,but some of those upper floors are EASILY double to triple height, not to mention mechanical floors at the top that could have 30 foot ceilings..
Now if they just add a few more floors within the spire (pulling a Chrysler like stunt) this could bring the floor count easily up to 195 like what was in the online brochure.. if those double and triple floors have multiple landings within them,then there is where the extra floors could easily be counted.. I really do think that the elevator render is somewhat accurate because of that... they are going for ego here in this case, and something tells me that they will use this chance to pop in some extra floors... :runaway:

One important thing to remember, this towers FRAME will cost $900 million.

Thats not including the cladding, the interior outfitting, landscaping, etc...

just the interior outfitting alone I heard cancost up to 1 billion almost!!

So even with the cheap construction costs in Dubai, this tower will still be around within the 3-5 billion range. Probably around 7-10 billion for the entire complex including the mall...

In a way though that still a bargain, considering that some of the casinos in Vegas (40-50 floor range) have cost well over a billion to construct :)


I havent been around the forums lately... this tower is growing like crazy, actually exceeding my expectations as far as construction speed goes.. I just hope this cladding issue is ironed out soon, because no matter what Emaar says, there will most likely be a delay... nobody has ever built this high yet, so whats to say that they may not run into more issues as they get higher. After all, they are using equipment that set the new bar for construction, and this equipment is being used for the first time on anything this massive.. it proving grounds here!!

I think the Burj will be close to 200 floors personally... they may build 162 floors,but some of those upper floors are EASILY double to triple height, not to mention mechanical floors at the top that could have 30 foot ceilings..
Now if they just add a few more floors within the spire (pulling a Chrysler like stunt) this could bring the floor count easily up to 195 like what was in the online brochure.. if those double and triple floors have multiple landings within them,then there is where the extra floors could easily be counted.. I really do think that the elevator render is somewhat accurate because of that... they are going for ego here in this case, and something tells me that they will use this chance to pop in some extra floors... :runaway: I'm with you 110% , everything you said i believe

5 billion?? I'd say 2 billion for the tower.

11th Nov

http://static.flickr.com/99/294632419_f88a525bcb_b.jpg

82 levels= 303m!
thanks

3 MORE METTER'S TILL 1,000 FEET TALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As the sections are getting narrower it's almost hard to believe there's at least another 500m to be added on.

Can't wait to see this in glass.

Amazing progress...I wonder...would there be any real problems not having the glass installed yet? will concrete go "bad" if left exposed the way it is?

So even with the cheap construction costs in Dubai, this tower will still be around within the 3-5 billion range. Probably around 7-10 billion for the entire complex including the mall...




the complex will cost more than 20 Bn US $.


5 billion?? I'd say 2 billion for the tower.

close to 1Bn for the structure, almost 1Bn was foundation + interior, exterior, electricity, plumbing, elevators, windows, facade..

Is the glass ever gonna go up?

I'm with you 110% , everything you said i believe

I also agree with the 195 floor thing.

There are going to be MORE than 162 floors.

Nobody high up the ranks involved with this building is revealing a true height and that is including the number of floors. They are not giving the final height to the spire as they are upping it from 705m. Why are several people in this forum stuck on 162 floors. Even their website is showing the elevator buttons going to 195.

With that elevator button picture...why would they be advertising actual buttons that can be pressed so that the elevator cab with people in it can go to a 195th floor. This flys against the argument that there are floors in the top structure of the building.

In short, BD will go higher than 162 habitable floors. How many more? Not known yet. Is that elevator promo photo real or for fun? If for fun, then that is a false way of promoting this building.

Also....as megatower pointed out.....just over 6 more feet to hit 1000. Floor 83 will do it.

Once top of 83 is started, then BD will be BEYOND 1000 :lol:

Lotta fun, lotta fun :banana:

I also agree with the 195 floor thing.

There are going to be MORE than 162 floors.

Nobody high up the ranks involved with this building is revealing a true height and that is including the number of floors. They are not giving the final height to the spire as they are upping it from 705m. Why are several people in this forum stuck on 162 floors. Even their website is showing the elevator buttons going to 195.

With that elevator button picture...why would they be advertising actual buttons that can be pressed so that the elevator cab with people in it can go to a 195th floor. This flys against the argument that there are floors in the top structure of the building.

In short, BD will go higher than 162 habitable floors. How many more? Not known yet. Is that elevator promo photo real or for fun? If for fun, then that is a false way of promoting this building.

Also....as megatower pointed out.....just over 6 more feet to hit 1000. Floor 83 will do it.

Once top of 83 is started, then BD will be BEYOND 1000 :lol:

Lotta fun, lotta fun :banana:

BEYOND 1000, :lol:

I agree with you on the floors but i think the height of the building will most likely be around 808m as stated by CUL. But I wonder if that means some of the floors will be a lot smaller??


Cul how tall does the structure have to be to accomodate 195 habitable floors say some previously unhabited floors are converted to being habitable?

Who cares about the height, I want to see glass to make a belle out of this beast. Now it's just ugly concrete!

^^ May be we have to wait until the construction above done then the glass will comes

God I hope not. That's, what?...another year or so?

BEYOND 1000, :lol:

I agree with you on the floors but i think the height of the building will most likely be around 808m as stated by CUL. But I wonder if that means some of the floors will be a lot smaller??


Cul how tall does the structure have to be to accomodate 195 habitable floors say some previously unhabited floors are converted to being habitable?

if you take it that the floor 162 will be approx 620m, then another 33 floors at say 3m per floor= 100m, thus 720m to roof then add a spire 800m+?

who says that BD will have 162 Normal Floors....maybe it'll have 190.

Take me to floor 195 please...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Burj_Dubai_Elevator.png

where did u find this?

is there a construction video of the burj dubai going to come if i't's finished?

^^ Probably, they also made a construction video of Tapei 101 and the Palm Islands....

We all really hope so...!

i think so now only 289m...

On wich floor will they start to change the central core?

I just downloaded a video from emule called "a short history of tall buildings", at the end of the part 3 they show the Burj Dubai, the construction was at the end of the foundations, so the video is from the beggining of 2005, but they show a real scale elevator and you can see the buttons from 75 to 189, they say the hegiht is a secret.
screenshots:

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/317/imagineashorthistoryoftce9.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3039/imagineashorthistoryoftea1.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/197/imagineashorthistoryofthz7.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2084/imagineashorthistoryoftew2.jpg

That is a big elevatior!

Stuning Elevator!!!!

wow that lift cant be true... is so big cant imagine that going at 18m/s

The elevator is gonna go 18 m/s ?!? Holy crap, thats like a rollercoaster ride haha

^^wow!!! that's so hugh elevator!!! How much weight can it load.?

Am i correct?


http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4849/294632419f88a525bcbbfh0.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6894/burjdubaisectionaldiagrmq8.jpg

if i, look the wings are going to ve larger than last ones and-if the height increased as they said those have to be larger to get more height

cu

12-Nov-2006

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The elevator is gonna go 18 m/s ?!? Holy crap, thats like a rollercoaster ride haha

I remember being in the John hancock centre and it took about 20 seconds to get to the top :)
That's 350m/20s = 17.5m/s

Thanks AltinD... So core is now to level 83 ^^

And work on mechanical floors #2 almost finished :)

^^ And another setback above the 63rd floor has been reached on the lake facing wing.

They hopely will start the cladding on the next days.

Am i correct?


http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4849/294632419f88a525bcbbfh0.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6894/burjdubaisectionaldiagrmq8.jpg

if i, look the wings are going to ve larger than last ones and-if the height increased as they said those have to be larger to get more height

cu yes you are right, the last wing part that's closets to the core wall is the widest of all of them. so people who think it's getting skinner which it is, but it's getting a little wider when it gets closer to the last wing.

So much concrete...it's weight must be HUUUUGE!

Hi all.
AltinD your pics are always so ..... good. Another excelent update man.
^^ - way above... I never thought about emule - Dloading that 3 part short history of tall buildings as we speak. Also a 4 part modern marvels - building skyscrapers. Also some 3d software on design. Not much on a specific Burj Dubai search yet - lots soon I bet :banana:

Two BIGGIES:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/5775/bd01ja8.th.jpg (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bd01ja8.jpg) http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6306/bd02ix3.th.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bd02ix3.jpg)

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2084/imagineashorthistoryoftew2.jpg

Reminds me of:

http://computer-vet.com/weblog/pictures/2004-12-20-charlie09.jpg

:lol:

12.11.06
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Thanks for the updates!

How come people are building models if they don't know what the final height will be?

the designer, developers just wanted 2 keep it a secret , but of course its final height and floor is known 4 them

Thanks AltinD... So core is now to level 83 ^^

And work on mechanical floors #2 almost finished :)

i count 82?
if its 82 its now 303m.
thanks for updates guys

^^ Probably, they also made a construction video of Tapei 101 and the Palm Islands....

i dunno about Taipei 101 .. but they surely did for the Jumeira Palm Island...
I have the full Video :banana: !!

absolutely great shot's altin, thank a lot.

i count 82?
if its 82 its now 303m.
thanks for updates guys


I count 83 as top of mechanical floors #3 is level 76... non included! Higher mechanical floor #3 level is 75. I think we do not go the same way :)

Your count must be right. When I say "level 83", I mean "now working on level 83", which may be not correct. Sorry.

^oh ok, understand.yes 83 slab is nearly ready or roof of 82.lol

great updates !!!! 809 meters high is an incredible height!!! was it confirmed?

ive said all along its probably closer to 805m. this = 2640feet or exactly half a mile. Reason because main BurjD architect-Adrian Smith is a fan of Frank Lloyd Wright and he may pay homeage to the mile high skyscraper The Illinois!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Theillinois.jpg

wats the hold up with the cladding .. u think the testing of facade has gone wrong again ..??:ohno: :ohno:

^this cladding article was posted last week.

Burj Dubai is hit by curtain wall delays


Cladding work has still not started on the Burj Dubai tower. The concrete structure has reached 80 storeys.

The planned 2008 completion of the Burj Dubai could face delays because of ongoing difficulties in sourcing cladding and changes to the original design of the structure.

The world’s tallest tower has already reached 80 storeys, but curtain walling work has yet to start, leaving the concrete structure of the building exposed to the elements.

The 160-storey Burj Dubai is being built at a cost of around US $900 million (AED3.285 billion) and will form the central feature of the $20 billion Burj Dubai district being developed by Emaar Properties.

The cladding delay, together with recent design changes affecting the overall height of the project, means that contractors Besix, Arabtec and Samsung are likely to seek a time extension to accommodate the extra work.

Schmidlin LLC is contracted to install the cladding on the tower, but Construction Week has learned that tower contractor Besix has approached rival cladding outfit Al Abbar to take on the contract. Al Abbar is already contracted to supply cladding to the podium on the development.

According to the original construction timetable, cladding should have started several months ago to keep pace with progress on the concrete structure – rising at a rate of one floor every three days.

But the collapse of Swiss curtain walling giant Schmidlin, in February, has led to a substantial delay in procuring the exterior of the tower.

The UAE operation of Schmidlin however, remained solvent and was subsequently taken over by a group of local investors, including Geap International, a diversified trading group based in Dubai.

Geap International managing director, Mahendra Patel, said: “The cladding should start in the very near future. We have started fabrication already. There were a lot of design changes with the height.”

But with just 115 weeks to run until the project is due to complete, even if cladding work started tomorrow and was installed at a rate of 1.3 floors per week, the project would still miss its end-of-December-2008 deadline.

A manager at one company already supplying curtain walling on the Burj Dubai development told CW that the ongoing supply problems will have a massive impact on the project completion.

He said: “Normally if the building is reaching level 70, they should have fixed the curtain walling up to level 45. They will never catch up. The whole project looks to be delayed by a year minimum.”

But an Emaar spokesperson insisted that work would be accelarated to keep the project on track. In a statement, the company said: “Progress on the curtain wall subcontract was disrupted by the bankruptcy of Schmidlin’s parent company in Switzerland earlier this year. Acceleration measures are being put in place to ensure the completion date is unaffected.”

The high performance exterior cladding system on the tower has to be fabricated to withstand the massive wind pressures acting on the structure as well as the movement of the tower itself, which will sway by up to 1.5m at its peak.

It also has to withstand the extreme summer temperatures of the Gulf. Primary materials include reflective glazing, aluminium and textured stainless steel spandrel panels.

“We have a problem with the curtain wall, as you can imagine. You can see that the curtain wall is not moving. But there is a plan to get that back on track,” said Besix deputy project director, Ivan Bruyninckkx.

He added: “The final height of the tower will indicate what extra time we will be allowed to work with, because the initial programme was for a certain height and the new height is different from the initial height. So there may be an adjustment of timing, but all of this is not clear yet.

“We are still hitting for substantial completion by the end of 2008 or the early months of 2009,” he said.

gr8 updates...thankz...
i wish it reaches 100 floor by the end of this yr!

still more than half way to go!!!

gr8 updates...thankz...
i wish it reaches 100 floor by the end of this yr!



It's not surreal that this happens! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

ive said all along its probably closer to 805m. this = 2640feet or exactly half a mile. Reason because main BurjD architect-Adrian Smith is a fan of Frank Lloyd Wright and he may pay homeage to the mile high skyscraper The Illinois!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Theillinois.jpg

I would think it has more to do with the developer than the architect as to what height it will be. Although I can't wait for the 1st mile-high 'scraper!! :nuts: ahhhh..Burj Dubai hasn't even finished and i'm already waiting for the next tallest one! :lol:

51 Lime St in London had a cladding delay of around 5 months because of the Swiss cladding firm collapse, perhaps this will have a longer one due to the vast size of the structure.

What is with the Swiss cladding firms collapsing. :nuts:

still more than half way to go!!!Mind-blowing, isn't it!?! :nuts:

I would think it has more to do with the developer than the architect as to what height it will be.Yeah sure, if this were to be *just* another skyscraper...but this is also to be "iconic" architecture (and how!! lol) by the Dubians so a marriage of the 2, developer and architect, is more than likely in this respect. I'm sure the Dubians did their homework and are well aware of the Lloyd Wright famous conceptual.

Down to the overall shape of Lloyd Wright's building even! This isn't just coincidental.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/197/imagineashorthistoryofthz7.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2084/imagineashorthistoryoftew2.jpg

I love those pics

BD is an amazing project. I've been following these topics about the Burj a long time and it's really cool seeing so many people making pictures, gathering information, etc. I registered to say thanks to Imre, Krazy, Culwulla, and many others! Cheers! :cheers:

Welcome Arvin :)

it is located in the sales office of burj dubai...

Thanks for the information, I thought that the model was in a mall of Dubai or in the airport.

:banana: :banana:
Nice picture about Burj Dubai and the comparison of the floors in the map.

A mile high tower means that if you are standing on the top of the building you would be standing at the same elevation as ground level in Denver, Colorado!!!!! :runaway:

where did u find this?

Its from the official Burj flash website. Check my other posts to get the exact address -- I'm too lazy to look it up.

195 floors - man alive that's a lot. Even 189 from the t.v. screen captures -- that's high!

i dunno about Taipei 101 .. but they surely did for the Jumeira Palm Island...
I have the full Video :banana: !!

hey its gr8 that u have the video .....I wud luv to have a look at it.!!
so wat u say can we share it.:)

best shot ever

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8407/bd102906zeboooqn6.jpg

^^^Oh! That's so stunning shot!!!,thanks, Krazy.

hey its gr8 that u have the video .....I wud luv to have a look at it.!!
so wat u say can we share it.:)

sure.. i'd be more than happy to share it wid ya... but we gotta meet in person ... izzat possible ..?

Btw..is there any renderings of the interior of the Burj?

I just got done watching a show about concrete, it was on MegaStructures. On the last ten minutes of the show they talked about the Burj Dubai. The footage they showed of the Burj was kind of old, it was only on level 30. They did show some views of the inside, the building is massive!!!

I just got done watching a show about concrete, it was on MegaStructures. On the last ten minutes of the show they talked about the Burj Dubai. The footage they showed of the Burj was kind of old, it was only on level 30. They did show some views of the inside, the building is massive!!! Me to, i just watched it to. yeah they showed the building, OMG is it huger then i thought it was. and then they were actually kinda walking in the building's wing. and it shows you that the building isn't that skinny at all, i have to say it must of been 100ft wide for the wing's.

I cant wait for the History Channel, or discovery channel to come out with a documentary on dubai, and all of the other large developing nations throughout the world...

right now i have 50 episodes of modern marvels, but none of them talk about dubai, im still looking everywhere i can to find information about Dubai, i have saved every picture from dubai that i have seen so far, i have a pretty large collection.

I cant wait for the History Channel, or discovery channel to come out with a documentary on dubai, and all of the other large developing nations throughout the world...

right now i have 50 episodes of modern marvels, but none of them talk about dubai, im still looking everywhere i can to find information about Dubai, i have saved every picture from dubai that i have seen so far, i have a pretty large collection.
Please do share your pic's sometime :)

Please do share your pic's sometime :)

I definately would love to

but i am at work right now!

maybe tonight when i get home i should upload them

sometimes i wish i could just upload the whole file and you could see them all instead of me having to post them up individually

sure.. i'd be more than happy to share it wid ya... but we gotta meet in person ... izzat possible ..?

thnx for such a positve response....
well i dont have any conveyance as i'm here as a trainee at OTCI burj dubai..
so i'm not so sure how can we do that??
Isn't there any other alternative eg. the link for dubai mega projects.

awesome!!!!!!

recent posts have been showing what I thought was the old
cross-sections with the old height before they made a new and taller spire.
any comments? Are we back to the shorter height?

in the old one, the final 3-sectioned tier rises from a flat roofed segment
whereas in the newer one the spire continues to follow the spiraling of the
structure and there is no flat roof.....

^^ Knowing Dubai, they aren't going to reduce the heigt, they will only increase it...(the renders/photos) are still from the 'old' plan

Just saw that Imre has his internet connection in his new house :banana: :banana: .

**Waiting for pics**

^^ Knowing Dubai, they aren't going to reduce the heigt, they will only increase it...(the renders/photos) are still from the 'old' plan

the reason why i think it'll get taller than 850m.

the reason why i think it'll get taller than 850m.

Could happen, because they are in competition with Al Burj.

^^ Same opinion, they will get as tall as possible... Why would they leave the opportunity to add another 50 meters, if the fundings can support it...?

what aI don't get, why are they competing with Al Burj, is that another firm who's building it? (those 2 towers are in Dubai, so why should they compete?)

btw: srr for my bad english :D

^^ Yup, another company, one with very clear size issues.

^^ Same opinion, they will get as tall as possible... Why would they leave the opportunity to add another 50 meters, if the fundings can support it...?

what aI don't get, why are they competing with Al Burj, is that another firm who's building it? (those 2 towers are in Dubai, so why should they compete?)

btw: srr for my bad english :D

Correct !

Al Burj is developed by Al Nakheel, Burj Dubai by Emaar.

Don't mind about your english, it's pretty good. :)

Al Nakhell vs. Emaar, why not?

Emaar vs. Emaar???? Not really.

A mile high tower means that if you are standing on the top of the building you would be standing at the same elevation as ground level in Denver, Colorado!!!!! :runaway:

Or higher than anywhere in the UK!

any updates on the status of Al Burj?

Posted on SSP by Slugbelch:

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4194/bdmevadoc102006kn9.jpg

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5831/bdmevadoc1020062to5.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/601/bdmevadoc1020063qu6.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3410/bd1dd5.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8649/bd2mj4.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6236/bd3ra5.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6127/bd4px0.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4103/bd5gv2.jpg

^This was linked to previously.

If the clading looks like the one on page 49 it will look slick.

Thanks for posting the article Skymyhusband :okay:

Flashback! February 2005, posted by Dubai-Lover c/- Dubai Dave :eek:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p07f122e05b0b4d6375caca7caaa987ef/f5229f24.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p76a8ad7011d5e0703de4abf7197f3b6d/f5229f58.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p0a40e6f5179e9ccde079e9421402f43e/f5229f31.jpg

^This was linked to previously.



Have you noticed though there's an excellent shot of what the glazing looks like - love that blue coloured glass - looks phenomenal
Hope some starts appearing on the building soon - it's been good seeing inside the building as it's been going up, but it'd be interesting to see some glazing on the thing.
With all that wind load you'd think they could stick some wind turbines around the building and help generate some of the electricity this thing'll need to run all that a/c, water-pumping, lighting, etc. :)

any updates on the status of Al Burj?

not in that Thread

the page 49 figure 6a cladding does look perfect and awesome imo.

nice article, very interesting to get all those details

A complement (june 2006):

http://www.structuremag.org/archives/2006/June-2006/SF-Wind-Engineering-Burj-Dubai-Tower-June-06.pdf

I love the cladding shown in that picture!!!

Thanks all for the technical documentation for the project. This is so amazing.... Any of you know where I could find some more technical docs about this construction ???

Too bad i can't spend month watching how the guys make this baby grow up.. i'd love to watch all the techniques involved on such a construction project.

By the way, still nobody to explain what are the big open blue containers that are hanging on the side of the tower ???

Krys

I've gotta hand it to the Arabs for making all of us so captivated. The marketing part is really done well! So many speculations revolving around the height, no of flooers and etc!

Marketing Case Study classic in the making!

I love the cladding shown in that picture!!!If I may ask KansasCityMO, you love the cladding shown in what last picture?...or does anyone know what he means in regard to this?

very interesting physical and tecnical informations.
Thankyou Skymyhusband

Wow, that cladding mockup is sexy!

no photo update from Imre today?:ohno:

past weekend

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4153/bd1109063belhaventerracyu2.jpg

It would look better with nice facade...

cmon.. how long we will wait?

great pic krazy, unbelievable how tall it looks

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/dubai-dreamin/DSC_0068.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/dubai-dreamin/DSC_0031.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/dubai-dreamin/DSC_0018-1.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/dubai-dreamin/DSC_0007-1.jpg

Great pics!!!!

:eek2:, wonderful night-shots

Btw: which date? Today?

^^

No it was Two weeks ago

Back in the UK now:ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

whats up with imre... he hasnt appeared here 2 weeks ago... i miss him & his updates....

Hi people, I'm new here in the World Forums.

Just wanted to say that the cladding is promising.

Thank you in advance, Imre.

imre has no internet connection right now.

as for the pictures, amazing view from the residences..

Does Imre work at the site?

stunning updates, thanks.

By the way, still nobody to explain what are the big open blue containers that are hanging on the side of the tower ???

Krys

Krys,

The ones that stick out in the middle of teh floors are for the crane to pick-up and drop stuff, the 3 near the core are actually lifts atatched to track that run up the outside of the building.
Hope this answers your question.

By Omario

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/liver4eva/Random%20pics%20series/IMG_1986.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/liver4eva/Random%20pics%20series/IMG_2029.jpg

Could one of you people in Dubai guess how high it is right now?

Wow....

Keep on growing Burj.

Thanks for the updates. :okay:

BD will look freakingly awesome all lit up when its done :eek2: cant wait!

Counted 83F-84F

hot tall is it now ???, has it passed 1,000 feet yet ???

as far as i know yes

Last night I was somewhere with a very clear view of the tower from more then 20 km away. Despite the 280 meters tall Millenium Tower being hundreds of meters closer to where i was, the Burj Dubai was clearly taller.

I would say it has passed the 1,000 ft mark already.

looks like its going to pass the chrysler building in a few days!

thanks for the info ZZ-II and Altin D, i hope you both are right

november 16th, pic posted on SSP by Slugbelch:

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4003/bd111606eierdiebms5.jpg

Hard to tell, but seems to be 83/84 floors high.

2nd mechanical floors up to floor 43 almost finished.

nice shot, thank you for posting

Last night I was somewhere with a very clear view of the tower from more then 20 km away. Despite the 280 meters tall Millenium Tower being hundreds of meters closer to where i was, the Burj Dubai was clearly taller.

I would say it has passed the 1,000 ft mark already.

Nice!:cheers:

november 16th, pic posted on SSP by Slugbelch:

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4003/bd111606eierdiebms5.jpg

Hard to tell, but seems to be 83/84 floors high.

2nd mechanical floors up to floor 43 almost finished.

hey did they recently colour those buildings in front of the burj dubai yellow or is it just the shot? I think yellow towers in fornt will ruin the overall setting for the burj dubai complex.

No it is just the photo they are not that yellow in real life (it is the Residences ):ohno: :)

Hi all.

This one should be good for the height debate ( found by Slugbelch )

http://i15.************/34o3nrk.jpg

So
- looks like they measure from the floor of the gound level
- top of tier 1 - floor of level 19 = 71.6 meters
- top of tier 4 - floor of level 43 = 152.3 meters
- top of tier 7 - floor of level 76 = 261.3 meters

Notice the measurements in between each of these - measured from the raft - so 14.8 meters below the floor of the ground level
- tier 1 = 86.4 meters ( kinda hard to make out ... )
- tier 4 = plus 80.7 = 167.1
- tier 7 = plus 109.0 = 276.1

Looks like 128.4 to the next tier on the wing facing SZR ( as are tiers 1, 4, and 7 ) which is tier 10 - so
- top of tier 10 - floor of level 114 is 389.7 meters from the floor of the ground level, or 404.5 meters from the raft :banana: :banana:

Perhaps someone can try to figure where we are now more accurately

Structure of a Lifetime ! :cheers:

can we say it is more than 310 metres now ???

think it's scarcely over 300m

Good grief, I'd hate to be working on one of those cranes at over 300 metres high up. I'd wet myself.

Who was it who had a qoute from the Sheik of Dubai in their signature. Could anybody please give me this quote. I plan to use it for a speech I am giving on Burj Dubai.

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2576/p1030718tr4.th.jpg (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1030718tr4.jpg)

19.Nov.2006

http://i7.************/2rwmj40.jpg


http://i15.************/46zh5zp.jpg

86 floors !!!! its definitively growing much faster than before ....

Who was it who had a qoute from the Sheik of Dubai in their signature. Could anybody please give me this quote. I plan to use it for a speech I am giving on Burj Dubai.


"What I have achieved for Dubai is only 10% of my vision for it" - Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum , Ruler of DUBAI

Nice Pics !!
Already 86, damn, going fast :D

WOWWW .. FAASSST ... now am pretty damn sure its gonna reach 100 by the end of this yr !!
:cheers:

fantastic Altin.


Some other shot's posted by Slugblech SSP:

Going back a few days to Nov 11:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5550/bd110806extrafinesugartu5.jpg http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9919/bd111106extrafinesugarcs0.jpg http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3928/bd1111062extrafinesugarfg2.jpg
extrafinesugar

So what floor is it on now?

86F!

"What I have achieved for Dubai is only 10% of my vision for it" - Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum , Ruler of DUBAI


Maybe it's 12% now :D

^^

When's cladding expected to start?

When's cladding expected to start?

pfff i think that they are w8ing to catch rykuganh hotel (or warever is it spelled) and become the highest bldn with no glass in the world

just my 2cents

pfff i think that they are w8ing to catch rykuganh hotel (or warever is it spelled) and become the highest bldn with no glass in the world

just my 2cents


Thinking the same. But if you look it on the other side, it's just delaying the finishing...(you know what i mean :) )

A new supertall has been born in Dubai.

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
:dance::cheers1::dance:

BURJ DUBAI
12/31/2008

It's nice to remember the Burj Dubai one week ago.
Nice pictures about Nov. 11.

Thinking the same. But if you look it on the other side, it's just delaying the finishing...(you know what i mean :) )



yep i know what are u tlking abt ... i want this bld to be completed as soon as posible... but they want another titles too (apart from the highest)

86floors= 310m.
thanks for updates and info

:banana::master: :horse: :llama: :carrot: :pepper: :dance:

Which level should I expect BD to reach at the New Years day?

will this pace (1 floor per 3 days ) fall once the claddin starts ..??:? ..
jes wondering ...

GUYZZZZ i have sum really really really gooooood newss... i know most of u not gonna believe me .. but trust me it took me a while till i cud believe it myself ...
..ready for it.....
MY FRENDZ UNCLE HAS BOUGHT AN OFFICE(not sure if its an office .. but hes definitely bought sumthin ) ON THE 200TH FLOORR !!!!!!!!!! .. :pepper: :pepper: :pepper:
offcourse this info is not 100% reliable .. but jes wait till i get to see the official documents .. then i'll post them here ... i cant believe it myself ...
..wait fer my next post ..


p.s. - please dun get too excited ... coz if it turns out to be a hoax then it'll be really disappointing ..!!

if i remember correctly the offices occupy the lower floors how could this be possible? But then i really want burj dubai to be almost unbeatable in terms of height... i mean i really want it to be 200+ floors and be the world's tallest for a century!

It will not be 200 floors. Becouse the pilling cant stand more than 950m so forget it. They will probably not go more than 800-850 meters? And how many floors can u fit then, including the spire.

i reckon its 156 floors to concrete structure and another 26 or so in the steel framed structure above = total-182.which is approx 735m. then the 70m pinnacle is added to total-805m.
my questimate.

Nice shot from the Burj 10.11.2006

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1619/bd5ur9.png

Pretty nice shot it is. Now it's more clear how tall this superstructure is

thats interesting! a photo FROM BurjD for a change. probably 300m up.
thanks stephan

Nice one stephan :cheers:

Edit: Oh i forgot to say, I was looking through some holiday brochures on saturday and i nearly pissed myself laughing. There was a bit about Dubai Construction update. The Burj Dubai, according to the brochure, is almost complete!!! :lol: :lol:

beautiful View from the top

Some more from yesterday:


http://i15.************/2h66ec8.jpg

http://i7.************/2qvtdhy.jpg



http://i15.************/34ou3d5.jpg

http://i9.************/2wqtmcx.jpg


http://i7.************/2qizmes.jpg

i reckon its 156 floors to concrete structure and another 26 or so in the steel framed structure above = total-182.which is approx 735m. then the 70m pinnacle is added to total-805m.
my questimate.
that sound's good, but how high do you think CULWULLA the last floor level that will be occupied ??? maybe 705m's for the last occupie floor level ???

i'm absolutely sure that tower will be over 800m but look on that:

http://i15.************/2vlr8nk.jpg

in my opinion that looks like 850m or more

i'm absolutely sure that tower will be over 800m but look on that:

http://i15.************/2vlr8nk.jpg

in my opinion that looks like 850m or more

If the poster's orientation is correct with our perspective of the tower, it seems like we can gauge that the first wing on the left is done and we know where the second wing ends. Looking at that poster though and to the photos that show the 3rd wing portion have awhile to climb, it's shocking to guess how high this'll go if that poster is correct. Of course we've seen many illustrations with height and design changes but hopefully again that poster is somewhat correct. Wow!

That poster doesn't show perspective though

Good update Altin Thanks

It will not be 200 floors. Becouse the pilling cant stand more than 950m so forget it. They will probably not go more than 800-850 meters? And how many floors can u fit then, including the spire.

u cant prove that the pilling cant hold more than that... show me where did u find that information ..






:P

Some more from yesterday:





http://i15.************/34ou3d5.jpg





at least! wings catching 3rd mecanical floor but... wings are going to stop after 400 M mark! look there are just 3 walls arround the core, instead the 9 starting ones... pfff if they have made any heigh change they should keep blding the other 2 walls ... and dont stop em so low ... i cant still belive this monter is going to reach 800+... so wide at bottom and so narrow at top... the could make it a bit bigger (wings) it will be a very stilized figure when finished ^^


Btw:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/460/bdwallsln7.jpg

i've just noticed that wing stops there so after that core (maybe at 1XX floor is going to get thinner...) wtf ! the wing is stopping so quickly!!!

That poster doesn't show perspective though

BTW: that's not a poster, it's only a part of Altin's pics ^^

u cant prove that the pilling cant hold more than that... show me where did u find that information ..






:P



at least! wings catching 3rd mecanical floor but... wings are going to stop after 400 M mark! look there are just 3 walls arround the core, instead the 9 starting ones... pfff if they have made any heigh change they should keep blding the other 2 walls ... and dont stop em so low ... i cant still belive this monter is going to reach 800+... so wide at bottom and so narrow at top... the could make it a bit bigger (wings) it will be a very stilized figure when finished ^^


Btw:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/460/bdwallsln7.jpg

i've just noticed that wing stops there so after that core (maybe at 1XX floor is going to get thinner...) wtf ! the wing is stopping so quickly!!!are you 100% sure that the wing's stop at 400 M's ????.how could they make the wing's a bit bigger ???. but remember that after the building's wing's are done the core actual extends it self into the the wing that's right net to the core wall. here's a pic to show what i mean http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2005/renders/1bir495.jpg. but please do answer my questions

The wall may stop there, but the nose cone will rise another 30+ or so floors on top of that. Then you must figure the other two sides which will rise even higher still. So my guess is that it will be another 50+ floors above the mechanical floor before we are left with just the core. To further complicate things, I believe the setbacks occur less frequently as the tower rises.

Taken today.......

Look at how big our baby has grown....

Amazing! :D

Enjoy....

http://i7.************/2vs55kw.jpg

http://i9.************/4gxpaq0.jpg

http://i7.************/29l23hh.jpg

amazing

Actually i think this wall in the red ends there.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4319/bdwallsln7qg4.jpg

for whats it worth
its my questimate only

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9854/burjdubaielevationnov20ku8.jpg

^^ Your right Zaki

are you 100% sure that the wing's stop at 400 M's ????.how could they make the wing's a bit bigger ???. but remember that after the building's wing's are done the core actual extends it self into the the wing that's right net to the core wall. here's a pic to show what i mean http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2005/renders/1bir495.jpg. but please do answer my questions


With this building nothing is 100% sure... im just saying that that wall will stop there and then the rest is the nose made on the core and after that nose core has to be reduced (less width)

wings wont stop until final heighth (see renders) but the Main Wings (i call MW the ones which are on the 9 slaves) those ones should finish at 400 M (an opinion)
or a bit more ..(450m)

and yes.. they can exted wings untill the pilling resist but they cant add much more floors because the pilling is made 4 this structure and a bit more
but... who knows..

i just want this to reach 900m! but if the walls stops so quick (at 300 m it stops the first (see my photo) and on the previous floors will stop the rest not longer than 4XXM)

just my two cents again ^^


Actually i think this wall in the red ends there.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4319/bdwallsln7qg4.jpg

yes we now that the nose will rise till there but i mean that the wall ( next to the core) stops very low respect the final heighth of the bldng

we just have to wait and see

yes we now that the nose will rise till there but i mean that the wall ( next to the core) stops very low respect the final heighth of the bldng

Well you have to remember that this building has 3 wings and so if the next wall to stop is on this wing than this wing wont have any more stops for a several more rounds of mechanical floors. And seeing the height between each round of mechanical floors, i dont think the wings will be low at all.

for whats it worth
its my questimate only

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9854/burjdubaielevationnov20ku8.jpg

Basing From this Burj Dubai is currently the 25th tallest "bulding" in the world from ground floor to pinnacle.

for whats it worth
its my questimate only

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9854/burjdubaielevationnov20ku8.jpgso CULWULLA are you saying that it's a possibility that the burj Dubai could have a occupiable floor at 735 m !!!!!! :nuts:

well i think there about 27 steel framed floors above lev156.Not sure what are in these floors, some may have mechanics/plant/communications/LMR etc
i dont think any of these have lift access either? maybe up to lev162 being LMR/620m high. above this i thnk they are accessed by internal stairwells/ladders etc.The 183rd floor at 735m is only 8m wide.so this is basically for the spire maintence access. view from there would be awesome!

but this is only my questimate.

well i think there about 27 steel framed floors above lev156.Not sure what are in these floors, some may have mechanics/plant/communications/LMR etc
i dont think any of these have lift access either? maybe up to lev162 being LMR/620m high. above this i thnk they are accessed by internal stairwells/ladders etc.The 183rd floor at 735m is only 8m wide.so this is basically for the spire maintence access. view from there would be awesome!

but this is only my questimate.
so there's no possibility there could be 705m occupiable floor at all :cry:

Some of these pictures have really put things in perpective for me. It is absoluely sickening how tall this building is going to be!! Way to go Dubai.

Hi all.
Hey guys the first level with no wings is level 142. :nuts: :cheers:

so there's no possibility there could be 705m occupiable floor at all :cry:

Alright, as you can see by my post count, I am rather new here. some of you might have seen my photoshop work with Shanghai Financial Center, but I feel I should probably be more involved here.

So I have put my photoshop knowledge/skills to use here. Here is a stitching of two photos posted here recently. Basically put them together so you get one nice of photo of construction so far. One thing that has really interested me and obviously many others in this forum is the progress against the renders.

Of course there is much discussion of changing heights etc etc, but here is one thats from the Burj Dubai website. I have no expectation that this is perfect, but its a start.

I look forward to your comments as to the correctness of this image// sorry for killing the borders :S

Here it is:

http://www.users.on.net/~henwil/SSC/photoagainstrender.jpg

_docomo

nice work, thanks

thnkx _docomo :)

I'd rather just sit in suspense of not knowing how tall it is really gonna be till its done hehe

so there's no possibility there could be 705m occupiable floor at all :cry:
Which Sheikh or Emaar representative said that? Everything is speculative, with leaves all possabilities on the table. Exciting, yes? :yes:

:grouphug:

my gosh...... just cant believe its going to be SO tall!

Alright, as you can see by my post count, I am rather new here. some of you might have seen my photoshop work with Shanghai Financial Center, but I feel I should probably be more involved here.

So I have put my photoshop knowledge/skills to use here. Here is a stitching of two photos posted here recently. Basically put them together so you get one nice of photo of construction so far. One thing that has really interested me and obviously many others in this forum is the progress against the renders.

Of course there is much discussion of changing heights etc etc, but here is one thats from the Burj Dubai website. I have no expectation that this is perfect, but its a start.

I look forward to your comments as to the correctness of this image// sorry for killing the borders :S

Here it is:

http://www.users.on.net/~henwil/SSC/photoagainstrender.jpg

_docomo how tall is the the pic in the back, is it over 800m's ???

I calculated from the image that the render is around 780m tall if the tower is 310m tall in the picture in foreground. Must note that the antenna seems to go higher than the picture shows.

Also noticed that the 3rd? mechanical floor is a couple floors higher in the render so the tower might end up shorter than in the render, but i believe these things arent so accurate :p

first post in these forums, so dont hang me if im not correct about these things :)

The render and the superimposed picture of the tower, show different facing sides. The left wing of the render corresponds to the right wing of the picture.

^^ I would also like to add that both the render and the superimposed picture of the tower have different perspectives, this is why the mechanical floors do not align. Its nice work though _docomo, keep it up!

those renders are too big.
better off bit smaller.>
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4113/photoagainstrendesmallyv9.jpg
the tower measures approx 800m if photomontage is 310m. perfect
i scaled image and next tier above current height measures 328m (left wing), then next one is 420m (at right), then 475m (at left), then central tire above that = 575m which is end of concrete structure.The highest large section at top = 700m and half way up spire measures 735m which is top of enclosed steel structure. andspire just over 800m.
all works out perfectly.

remember it's not sure that it'll be 808m!!! maybe a lot more

808 is not the final heigh 4 me i think that 900m mark could be very apropiate...

yeah my estimate was 808m but 805m is better due to fact its exactly half a mile or 2640ft. but its topped only a 70m pinnacle. they could add more as youve said, so 850m or 900m is easily achievable if its just a spire.
updated diagram
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2945/burjdubaielevationnov20hs4.jpg

we'll see :)

Cul the top still looks to short sorry. If he is real fan of the wright spire he would extend it to make it look more just.

those renders are too big.
better off bit smaller.>
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4113/photoagainstrendesmallyv9.jpg
the tower measures approx 800m if photomontage is 310m. perfect
i scaled image and next tier above current height measures 328m (left wing), then next one is 420m (at right), then 475m (at left), then central tire above that = 575m which is end of concrete structure.The highest large section at top = 700m and half way up spire measures 735m which is top of enclosed steel structure. andspire just over 800m.
all works out perfectly. CULWULLA i hope this isn't much to ask, but could you draw line's showing the tier's height and were the highest large section top = 700m, I'd really appreciate

here we go
does it makes sense now?
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6600/burjrendertl4.jpg

Thank you so much CULWULLA, i noticed how big it is at 700m's. how come they won't just build it up to 700m's. because look how Huge it is in the pic

Wow, I didnt think my picture was going to be so engaging.. but i am happy that I have put a spin on the situation. Sorry about posting such a large picture though, didn't think of different resolutions that people run. Next time I shall scale it down so you the sheer size of this building will be clearer to see.

Keep up the convo, its really is interesting :)

:bash: :bash: wtf 's wrong with the facade now ..??? :bash: :bash:
.. i dun see no advancement on the cladding.

don't forget this render shows the old, shorter design.

don't forget this render shows the old, shorter design.

Are you sure?
He said that he had picked the render from Emaar's Site...

Are you sure?
He said that he had picked the render from Emaar's Site...

the top and middle are a little short its the 700m version clearly.

I also had a go with a new render, although it is also out of proportion, couldnt find any photo from this angle, but still it shows something, btw on this picture Burj could be 916m if the photo is anywhere close..
http://burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/burj-dubai-sketch.jpg

yeh, you're right.

hmmm....this thread is gonne reach 500 limit in no time

wasn't there something with 1000 Posts for the BD Thread?

This part is going slower than part 20 (since Imre has no internet connection in his new house :ohno: ) :nuts:

Things seem to move a bit as I received this from Intl Construction :

Cladding work on the 800 m-plus Burj Dubai has yet to start and the delay could mean the iconic tower misses its planned 2008 completion.

Having reached 87 storeys the Besix, Arabtec Samsung joint venture (JV) has yet to start cladding work. The exposed concrete core now stands at 300 m.

Difficulties in sourcing the cladding following Switzerland-based Schmidlin’s collapse in February were originally being blamed for the lack of progress.

Schmidlin LLC UAE, which is a locally owned company, is continuing to supply the project in a joint venture with Arabian Aluminium. It was awarded the 120000 m2 facade contract 12 months ago. “Following the collapse of Schmidlin in Switerland several UAE companies stepped in to offer financial help to Schmidlin LLC UAE,” said a company spokesman.

Refuting claims it is to blame for the late supply of cladding the spokesman told iC, “We’re assembling the cladding now and have completed the test rig. We expect to start testing on Friday and, if the tests go as expected, could be on site next week. There are other concerns that have stopped us proceeding as planned, including design changes to the height.”

Speculation is now centring on the floor slabs and columns. “There are concerns over the structural integrity of the building. Certain calculations are being called into question,” said another source working within the project.

Countering this claim, Emaar’s project manager at the Burj, Greg Sang, told iC, “The timetable has been effected by the collapse of Schmidlin. We’re a little bit behind but we expect to put in place measures that ensure we’re on track to meet our original completion date.

"Normally you’d be looking to do a floor in three to four or perhaps seven days depending on the technical requirements of the job, we’re still working on the details but I expect to meet the dateline we’ve set with an accelerated installation timetable," said Mr Sang.

“Construction of high rise towers in the UAE usually sees the cladding contractor following on the concrete core as soon as possible. When a tower reaches 70 storeys, for example, the cladding should have reached the mid 40s,” said the project insider.

"You can drive past the building and you’ll see there’s no cladding, so you can draw your own conclusions as to when completion will be reached," he added.

great news, hope next week we'll see glass

Hope so...

lol, cant wait till 08

they just HAVE to make that Dec 31st 2008 completion party!

Speculation is now centring on the floor slabs and columns. “There are concerns over the structural integrity of the building. Certain calculations are being called into question,” said another source working within the project.


WTF!?!?

i saw another panel of glass on the BD today .. jes next to older one ... i think they have started .. sorry cudnt get a pic .. was driving . n a stupid bus blocked my view.:bash:
will try n get tommoro ..!!:)

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Speculation is now centring on the floor slabs and columns. “There are concerns over the structural integrity of the building. Certain calculations are being called into question,” said another source working within the project.



Having a designer / construction manager / consulant say words like these certainly does not bode well for construction. I wonder that hopefully at best, we'll see a delay to somehow ensure that the building is as stable as they need it to be, whether that be by adding more reinforcement or something else. This somehow also seems to encourage the thought that they are trying to go higher than perhaps the original specifications were indicating, otherwise why would they run into quality problems? The only other reason would be due to shoddy work but I don't see how they'd let this happen on a project of such importance to the city.

The only other reason would be due to shoddy work but I don't see how they'd let this happen on a project of such importance to the city.
Easy. If you were being paid feck all for toiling in the boiling hot heat for hours everyday then you would be very happy. If that was me and I was pissed off I'd do anything I could to make the building as shit as possible, stuff like leaving small gaps here and there, crappy finishings on purpose, etc

I think that Burj Dubai will be finish on time, all these dificulties they have they solve. Maybe then want to put a little exitement on the construction. Let's wait what happens in the next months.

^yeah i agree how hard could it be the quickly clad 160 floors???? lol
argh crap.

Easy. If you were being paid feck all for toiling in the boiling hot heat for hours everyday then you would be very happy. If that was me and I was pissed off I'd do anything I could to make the building as shit as possible, stuff like leaving small gaps here and there, crappy finishings on purpose, etc

Yeah I agree. I am working in a building which is nominated as one of the best new buildings in the country. The problem is the construction was behind time. Before the construction is even completed, we moved in.

Many of the finer details are rushed and we are bearing the consequence. You have those doors that doesnt' close properly, door knobs that fall off, windows that shatters when thunder roars, fire alarms that don't work when a fire broke out, wooden pavements that rot under the element, etc.

I really think that things shouldn't be rushed. People can wait.

i really dun care as to wen they gonna finish this mighty thing .. all i care is tht this shud be the worlds tallest .. n it shud hold this title for atleast 10 years !! ..

^^ well let's hope for a lot longer then that

"Speculation is now centring on the floor slabs and columns. “There are concerns over the structural integrity of the building. Certain calculations are being called into question,” said another source working within the project."
I'm betting that there going for 200 floors. maybe 190 occupiable floor's and the last 10 will be mechanical

i saw another panel of glass on the BD today .. jes next to older one ... i think they have started .. sorry cudnt get a pic .. was driving . n a stupid bus blocked my view.:bash:
will try n get tommoro ..!!:)

I'm very excited too see BD with some glass ^^

There are other concerns that have stopped us proceeding as planned, including design changes to the height.”

Speculation is now centring on the floor slabs and columns. “There are concerns over the structural integrity of the building. Certain calculations are being called into question,” said another source working within the project.


hmmmm...i doubt weather the calculations are incorrect. Don't they normally grosely overestimate the required integrity of the building?

^^ Prolly, but they have changed the hight from the original plan, so the 'grosly overestimated integrity' became less big :) . Now they are 'pulling' everything out of it to get the max possible height...

Just my 2 cents...

Having a designer / construction manager / consulant say words like these certainly does not bode well for construction. I wonder that hopefully at best, we'll see a delay to somehow ensure that the building is as stable as they need it to be, whether that be by adding more reinforcement or something else. This somehow also seems to encourage the thought that they are trying to go higher than perhaps the original specifications were indicating, otherwise why would they run into quality problems? The only other reason would be due to shoddy work but I don't see how they'd let this happen on a project of such importance to the city.


True, BUT the source was someone working with-in the project, that could be the bus driver. If an engineer has these concerns the project would stop untill they were sure it was safe to continue.