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FK Spartak Moskwa

21x League: (record)
1936, 1938, 1939, 1952, 1953,
1956, 1958, 1962, 1969, 1979,
1987, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994,
1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000,
2001

13x Cup: (record)
1938, 1939, 1946, 1947, 1950,
1958, 1963, 1965, 1971, 1992,
1994, 1998, 2003



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http://new.spartak.com/img/cit/137.jpg?d=2010-03-03


Plans

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old project
Just act like an thief on the stadionwelt.de site and got the info! Does not look bad does it?

here we go!
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Further i do not have now info... so shout you guys
quite a lot new russian stadiums , maybe time for (another) new thread?

Mmmm pretty good design..:yes:

Good, but it seems extremely overdone for a 35,000 stadium.

So what's the thing next to it? An ice rink? Or a training ground?

Good, but it seems extremely overdone for a 35,000 stadium.

that's what i was thinking too!

doesnt the Luzhniki Stadium hold 80,000?

that's what i was thinking too!

doesnt the Luzhniki Stadium hold 80,000?

I thought it was 85 000 and it is mop a very nice stadium too, but I gues they cannot fill a stadium like that. I like this stadium very much and the seating plann seemes the have a nice lotus(flower) design. which is always good for the spectators.
I think it is just like Juventus, they do not want to have a stadium which is too big.

veyr nice

o yeah the 'thing' with the stadium is for music concerts and stuff

Spartak have an Ice Hockey section, don't they? So presumably they'd move to that arena aswell.

it's an idea!

it's nice but the Luzhniki stadium (84,745) is top class

http://www.photoweb.ru/prophoto/Gallery/n_arhytekt/17.jpg

http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/780/78147-2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Luzhniki_Stadium_Moscow.jpg/800px-Luzhniki_Stadium_Moscow.jpg

^^owned by Torpedo Luzhniki and shared with Spartak

Spartak is the old "KGB" backed club isn't it?

Ahh nostalgia for the old cold war days..........

yeah it's a great stadium, specialy the roof, but the new one isn't bad either i think, great design

Spartak is the old "KGB" backed club isn't it?

Ahh nostalgia for the old cold war days..........

i think it was backed by meat industry in those days, if i remember it well, dynamo was kgb's club

Spartak is the old "KGB" backed club isn't it?

Ahh nostalgia for the old cold war days..........

Yea, right. And you obviously know a lot about your soccer teams.

Dinamo - KGB, etc
CSKA - Army
Spartak - Trade union.


And these days those teams have nothing to do with how they used to be sponsored.
The names have nothing to do with nostalgia or anything like that.

ЗАЛОЖЕН ПЕРВЫЙ КАМЕНЬ СТАДИОНА «СПАРТАК»

Сегодня в Северном Тушине прошла церемония закладки первого камня стадиона «Спартак».

В церемонии приняли участие мэр Москвы Юрий Лужков, глава Росспорта Вячеслав Фетисов, председатель совета директоров ФК «Спартак» Леонид Федун, главный архитектор столицы Александр Кузьмин, префект северо-западного округа Москвы Виктор Козлов, легендарные ветераны «Спартака» — олимпийские чемпионы Анатолий Исаев и Анатолий Ильин. Выступавшие поздравили спартаковцев с первым шагом к долгожданному обретению своего дома. А. Кузьмин сообщил о том, что стадион будет вмещать 42 тысячи зрителей. Ю. Лужков выразил восхищение проектом «лучшего стадиона Москвы и России» и пообещал, что у стадиона с реконструкцией Ленинградского и Волоколамского шоссе появятся просторные подъездные пути без пробок. В. Фетисов напомнил, что в Москве скоро появится несколько ультрасовременных стадионов, что позволит России принимать самые престижные футбольные форумы. Л. Федун поблагодарил президента России, правительства РФ и г. Москвы за содействие в решении вопросов строительства и попросил Юрия Лужкова продолжить личное патронирование стадиона «Спартак», дабы в 2009 году без задержек открыть красавец-стадион. Префект В. Козлов признался, что ему, болельщику красно-белых, особенно приятно и ответственно, что строительство будет проходить именно в его округе.


they're gonna start the construction very soon.
but the most important news that the capacity of the stadium raised from 35,000 seats to 42,000 seats!
and it's gonna be finished in 2009.

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ЗАЛОЖЕН ПЕРВЫЙ КАМЕНЬ СТАДИОНА «СПАРТАК»

Сегодня в Северном Тушине прошла церемония закладки первого камня стадиона «Спартак».

В церемонии приняли участие мэр Москвы Юрий Лужков, глава Росспорта Вячеслав Фетисов, председатель совета директоров ФК «Спартак» Леонид Федун, главный архитектор столицы Александр Кузьмин, префект северо-западного округа Москвы Виктор Козлов, легендарные ветераны «Спартака» — олимпийские чемпионы Анатолий Исаев и Анатолий Ильин. Выступавшие поздравили спартаковцев с первым шагом к долгожданному обретению своего дома. А. Кузьмин сообщил о том, что стадион будет вмещать 42 тысячи зрителей. Ю. Лужков выразил восхищение проектом «лучшего стадиона Москвы и России» и пообещал, что у стадиона с реконструкцией Ленинградского и Волоколамского шоссе появятся просторные подъездные пути без пробок. В. Фетисов напомнил, что в Москве скоро появится несколько ультрасовременных стадионов, что позволит России принимать самые престижные футбольные форумы. Л. Федун поблагодарил президента России, правительства РФ и г. Москвы за содействие в решении вопросов строительства и попросил Юрия Лужкова продолжить личное патронирование стадиона «Спартак», дабы в 2009 году без задержек открыть красавец-стадион. Префект В. Козлов признался, что ему, болельщику красно-белых, особенно приятно и ответственно, что строительство будет проходить именно в его округе.

WOW! Really??!! ;)

so they will have also an indoor football stadium/training field?

does somebody have a pic of the 42,000 design?

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so they will have also an indoor football stadium/training field?



Yeah, it looks cool. They could have two games running parallely. On the big field, Spartak professional team is playing the 1st Division game, on the second: the U-21 team or a 2nd Division team from Moscow. If Spartak has a bad day and is playing shit, people with a "double-ticket" have the option to move to the small stadium to watch the other game. :)

russia world cup anytime soon?

^^ The same time as Moldovan

Very good design! A little bit amazing but good

The rise and rise of Russian football. Lovely to see.

Tried to find construction pics of the stadium on the stadium website but unfortunately I don’t speak Russian so unsurprisingly found it difficult to find. So I was wondering if anyone can put up any construction pics up and does anyone have know when it will be finished?

When start the construction ?

They turned the first stone over a year ago but there was a big debate about capacity and progress since then has been minimal to none existent. There are other issues also politics, club issues and finance same old same old. Lets hope they start with a vengance sooner rather than later.

hmm? any update?

hmm? any update?

How can there be any updates when they haven't even started to build the stadium???

^^ I know.

^^ I know.

so when you know why do you ask, it is clear that they haven't started to build it yet, and I think that our Russian friends will be giving us right information when stadium is under construction

^^ he asked because he wants to know whats happening.... has it been cancelled, do they have a start date, has anything been mentioned, blah blah....

Look, its the mutant offspring of the new Cowboys stadium, and Qwest field in Seattle.

Look, its the mutant offspring of the new Cowboys stadium, and Qwest field in Seattle.Either you are joking or you want to believe those Russians (and the whole world by extension) to be inspired by American stadiums (and American culture by extension). It looks nothing like Cowboys Stadium and it only shares the concept of roofs supported by arches with Qwest Field. But then again, from that perspective, is Qwest Field really that original? To me it bares more resemblances with Toyota Stadium and Estadio Da Luz.

:lol: Moscow has money!! Land of abrahamovitch

There is a big problem with Spartak Stadium. Actually I know 2 major probs.
One of them is that new site is planned to be built on a deserted airfield in Moscow and the land in Moscow is extremely expensive even now, so as far as I know not all land ownership certificates are collected by Spartak. Second problem, is that near this future stadium is an unfinished metro station, that has been abandoned for more than 20 years. Moscow government tries to pursuade Spartak owner Leonid Fedoun (vice-president of Lukoil company) to fishish this metro station that will be named "Spartak Stadium". Spartak boss is not too happy about having to spend additional cash on this metro station, but they say that Moscow government will not approve construction of new stadium until this issue is sorted.
We, fans, expect to see some movement in terms of construction at the end of 2009.
I will keep you informed. By the way, Spartak is the "people's team in Russia", meaning that is a No.1 club in terms of titles in Russia and number of fans. You can feel free to ask questions about Spartak, stadium, Russian football and overall life in Russia.

What does the fans say about the capacity.
Is 42,000 ok or too small?
Looking at ZEnits 62k its a lil bit too small

What does the fans say about the capacity.
Is 42,000 ok or too small?
Looking at ZEnits 62k its a lil bit too small

I think Zenit is being very unwise here, because there is no way they can gather 62 thousand at every game. But Zenit is being sponsered by Russian state monopoly Gazprom, theese guys dont care about cost and investment efficiency: they will increase tariffs on gas for the population and make necessary revenue. This is not very fair, because all Russian people aren't Zenit fans, but this is the life here.

As for Spartak, the question about capacity has been raised several times by fans and media. Actually, as of today, the capacity has been decreased to 40k from 42k.

My personal opinion is, that 40k is minimum acceptable capacity for us, but not less. I'n not afraid i will miss any fixture in case tickets will be sold out, as I have a season ticket for all home matches. And we dont need to go stupid as Zenit either, bigger is not better, especially when you waste government(people's) money.

oh, so i will change the title to 40,000
thanks for the info

how many suites / boxes are planned?

oh, so i will change the title to 40,000
thanks for the info

how many suites / boxes are planned?

I dint find info about number of VIP boxes on the official site http://www.stadionspartak.ru/. There is a question about that there, but they only confirm that there will be boxes for rent. The site has been last updated long time ago - 30/10/2008 and capacity information is wrong.

Latest capacity info is given by Spartak general director Valeriy Karpine in May 2008: "plans were corrected, it will be 40k, we will start construction this autumn". http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/332264

Is that the final design???

Is that the final design???

There is nothing final until it will be actually built and open. :)
But yes, this is the latest design officially published.

News update:

1. Future Spartak stadium will be rated 4 stars, according to UEFA classification.
2. Current status of the project: finishing survey works. No construction started.

News update:

1. Future Spartak stadium will be rated 4 stars, according to UEFA classification.
2. Current status of the project: finishing survey works. No construction started.

News update:

1. No, it won't. The ratings by stars ended three years ago. But even if it was still used, a stadium to be of 4 or 5 stars would need to bid for an European final. If not, UEFA wouldn't even care to rate it.

What we have today are UEFA Elite stadiums, with three categories: 1, 2 and 3.

News update:

1. No, it won't. The ratings by stars ended three years ago. But even if it was still used, a stadium to be of 4 or 5 stars would need to bid for an European final. If not, UEFA wouldn't even care to rate it.

What we have today are UEFA Elite stadiums, with three categories: 1, 2 and 3.

I'm quoting the words that belong to chairman of board of directors of Spartak stadium Jury Tsovrebov, his interview was published 04/08/2009 in gazeta.ru
I dont think he would deliberately misinform millions of fans.

As for Russian bid for WC-18/22, this is official, this information already avaliable in the press. 14 candidate-cities are included in the bid, with Moscow ofcourse. Future Spartak stadium can/will participate in the bid also, why not?

I'm quoting the words that belong to chairman of board of directors of Spartak stadium Jury Tsovrebov, his interview was published 04/08/2009 in gazeta.ru
I dont think he would deliberately misinform millions of fans.

As for Russian bid for WC-18/22, this is official, this information already avaliable in the press. 14 candidate-cities are included in the bid, with Moscow ofcourse. Future Spartak stadium can/will participate in the bid also, why not?

...

So, you're saying that the one that is lying is... UEFA.

I think it's better if you take a look at this: http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/551788.pdf

And he has done nothing that the Ukrainians haven't already done with the Donbass Arena by announcing that the stadium would be a 5-star stadium when that kind of criteria was already dead!!! And I repeat: even if it wasn't dead, a stadium would need to bid for an European final to possibly enter the list of UEFA's 4 or 5 star stadia.

this stadium is gonna big super huge.

:banana::banana::banana::cheers::cheers::cheers::nuts::nuts::nuts:

"Спартаку" разрешено использовать землю под стадион

Власти Москвы утвердили акт разрешённого использования (АРИ) земельного участка для строительства футбольного стадиона "Спартак" на северо-западе города вблизи аэродрома в Тушино. Как сообщает агентство "Интерфакс", соответствующее распоряжение в пятницу подписано мэром Москвы Юрием Лужковым.

"После утверждения АРИ на строительство данного объекта будет проведена экспертиза проектной документации стадиона, а после этого будет выдано разрешение на строительство стадиона "Спартак" по адресу: Волоколамское шоссе, владение 67", - сообщили агентству городской администрации.

Важно также отметить, что застройщик должен построить инженерные коммуникации городского значения для строительства объекта за счёт собственных средств и не сможет рассчитывать на последующую компенсацию из бюджета Москвы.

Brief translation: Spartak was finally allowed to start construction of the stadium near Tushino airfield. This document was signed by Moscow major today, Friday 09/10/09.

^^ Good news.:okay:

From interview with "FC Spartak" director:

Proposed cost: 200,000,000 $
Construction: Spring 2010 - 2012.
Capacity: 42,000 - 45,000

They will build only stadium since the beginning, without 12,000-hall. The hall will be build after stadium total completion.

^^ fantastic news yeeh :)

New Proposed Project

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smaller
30k?

^^ Rumored 44.000

This is "insider" photos :) . It's still not official.

http://forum.totaldvd.ru/upfiles/8648/89FAD6BAC4674C67B8D5D2D494DB4276.jpg

Horrible compared with the other design. Was it a cost issue that forced a re-design?

Beautiful stadium, brothers.:)

We need more seats, 60-65000, like zinit. But our club president miser.

the first design was way better :ohno:

Concur, first project stratospherically better, big dissapointment:ohno:

Heard that the construction works started last weekend. Any updates or news?

Heard that the construction works started last weekend. Any updates or news?
The "construction" is too ambitious word now. They are preparing territory, cleaning from other objects (it's a former airfield). Active works with technics can start in June.

The "construction" is too ambitious word now. They are preparing territory, cleaning from other objects (it's a former airfield). Active works with technics can start in June.

Thanks for your answer anyway

«Дело сдвинулось с мертвой точки», — так высказался генеральный директор «Спартака» Валерий Карпин по поводу строительства стадиона перед матчем первого тура нынешнего сезона. Незадолго до этого стало известно, что найден подрядчик – компания AECOM, а вместимость арены составит 42 или 44 тысячи мест. Как рассказал Infox.ru член совета директоров ОАО «Футбольный клуб «Спартак-Москва» Сергей Михайлов, строительство начнется не ранее июня, когда будет представлен окончательный план проекта.
Строительство 42−тысячной арены начнется летом

В этом году руководители московского «Спартака» уже несколько раз заявляли, что долгожданное строительство стадиона начнется совсем скоро. Клуб наконец нашел подрядчика – компанию AECOM, которая выиграла тендер на проектирование арены. К концу следующего месяца их представители должны подготовить окончательную документацию по плану стадиона, после чего в Тушине заработают бульдозеры.

«На данный момент, по заявлениям AECOM, вместимость стадиона составляет 42 тысячи зрителей, — рассказал Infox.ru член совета директоров футбольного клуба «Спартака» Сергей Михайлов. – Однако в итоге она может быть увеличена, окончательные же данные, заверенные всеми возможными организациями, они нам предоставят к концу мая или в начале июня, тогда и начнется строительство. AECOM же мы выбрали не случайно — эта компания известна по строительству объектов на территории СНГ, а конкуренты у нее были крайне серьезные».

English please!^^

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http://russia2018-2022.com/en.aspx

Now they have wrapped the second design in a condom!

Now they have wrapped the second design in a condom!

President of FC Spartak very greedy jew.:bash:

The new project is much nicer than the old.

President of FC Spartak very greedy jew.:bash:

Ah, the ruski on the forum are showing their true colors.
First it was the "Russia is biest world power" and now it's the antisemitism.

It's gotta be nice being a cliché. :ohno:

Ah, the ruski on the forum are showing their true colors.
First it was the "Russia is biest world power" and now it's the antisemitism.

It's gotta be nice being a cliché. :ohno:
Can't stop trolling, walking russophobic cliché? :lol:

Can't stop trolling, walking russophobic cliché? :lol:

Who is trolling?
I just find it amusing that Rus, who is very quick to blame others for being racist towards russians, fall into the same trap.

Who is trolling?
I just find it amusing that Rus, who is very quick to blame others for being racist towards russians, fall into the same trap.

This opinion is 99% of fans of Spartak. In my words there is no racism, this is democracy. No trolls comrade american.

Work on the territory began.

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And one more:

http://www.gzt.ru/f/upload/picture/10/05/27/image_24323.jpg

Finally some progress.

so which project will be built?

So why don't move this thread to U/C?

So why don't move this thread to U/C?
This is just a preparation of territory. "Ground stage". If it means "construction" so there is sense to move it.

Before anyone gets to excited, dinamo, cska anyone? Just because they are making ground clearance means nothing at this stage in a country where a top ten team was disbanded on the whim of an individual.

Before anyone gets to excited, dinamo, cska anyone? Just because they are making ground clearance means nothing at this stage in a country where a top ten team was disbanded on the whim of an individual.

Moscow was a crap team anyway.

Looking forward for the updates...love the design of this one :)

Before anyone gets to excited, dinamo, cska anyone? Just because they are making ground clearance means nothing at this stage in a country where a top ten team was disbanded on the whim of an individual.
How about Portsmouth? What about 1,1 bln. debt of MU owners? Didn't you notice that FED created "controlling crisis" no so long ago?

What is the situation with new Spartak stadium now?

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I think Spartak heads are waiting for december 2010, WC-2018 bid decision, and depending on this decision, 2 projects are ready (from insider information). Second requres more resources, because for WC stadiums, federal budget will also take part in finansation. So, better to wait for FIFA decision. If everything will be OK, there is a chance to make a "richer" project with additional budget, then without it.

The main sponsor of the construction is LUKoil company or Russia Federation?

The main sponsor of the construction is LUKoil company or Russia Federation?

Lukoil, but if Russia will qualify for World Cup 2018, it will be 50 \ 50 Lukoil \ RF federal budget.

Готов поспорить эта ветка не будет завершена пока существует этот форум )))

Новые фотки от юзера КИР

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good news :)

А я думаю, что стадион построят через 2 года....

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НАЧАЛО СТРОЙКИ: октябрь 2010г.
ОКОНЧАНИЕ СТРОЙКИ: декабрь 2012г.

It imposible?

Its certainly an ambitious timetable..

НАЧАЛО СТРОЙКИ: октябрь 2010г.
ОКОНЧАНИЕ СТРОЙКИ: декабрь 2012г.

It imposible?
Depends on FIFA WC-2018 decision. With additional financial support, it is possible.

And just for knowing, the Second leg of 2012-2013 Season (first season in Premier-League on Autumn-Spring system) will start on March 1st, 2013.

http://img.championat.net/i/news/77/75/597775_b1284382053865639900.jpg

Схема проведения соревнований в сезоне-2011/12(очень сложный)

very nice

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this is old render ! the new project ( that being build ) is top secret ...

this is old render ! the new project ( that being build ) is top secret ...

I'm sure they wait the FIFA's decision.

In the rendering it looks quite "in the city" but in the real photos it looks in the middle of nowhere or they are going to build living flats in the zone?
As much as I know, Dynamo are rebuilding the stadium in the same place ( or just refurbishing it? ) and since it's a old stadium it's probably much more central? Can this be a reason they might get the 2nd stadium for the World Cup?

In the rendering it looks quite "in the city" but in the real photos it looks in the middle of nowhere or they are going to build living flats in the zone?

It's former Tushino airfield. In 1970s they planned to build living complex at this place (and even constructed Metro station without exit), but these plans were no realised. Now here is planned to be sportive territory.

As much as I know, Dynamo are rebuilding the stadium in the same place ( or just refurbishing it? ) and since it's a old stadium it's probably much more central? Can this be a reason they might get the 2nd stadium for the World Cup?

No, it will be reconstruction of old stadium - oldest in Moscow. They want to remove tracks for Athletics and to lower the level of the field. They have no plans to build second stadium. Dynamo stadium is not so far from the centre.

I didn't mean a 2nd stadium for Dynamo, I mean the second stadium for Moscow for the World Cup 2018.
I saw on Google Maps it's pretty central ( straight boulevard from Red Square ). And it's a good idea to get rid of athletics tracks if it's no use, this bugs me a lot at the National Stadium, you need binoculars to see over there at Luzhniki.

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19.11.10

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Сегодня после дубля заезжал на нашу стройку (помойму даже звук забивающийся сваи слышал) (c) КИР

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По крайней мере, судя по звуку отряхиваемого от грунта бура, одна из буровых машин на стройплощадке сегодня работала. Я был у стройки на протяжении примерно получаса, миксеров с бетоном сегодня не заметно.
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I didn't mean a 2nd stadium for Dynamo, I mean the second stadium for Moscow for the World Cup 2018.
I saw on Google Maps it's pretty central ( straight boulevard from Red Square ). And it's a good idea to get rid of athletics tracks if it's no use, this bugs me a lot at the National Stadium, you need binoculars to see over there at Luzhniki.



Yes, you right!

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How much capacity a new Spartak Stadium? 40000 or 47000?

Interesting fact about Tushino airfield, the site is constructed stadium Spartak. Tushino Air Field was used to host the free Monsters of Rock concert, featuring Metallica , AC/DC and Pantera to an estimated crowd of 1.6 million people.
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But this conference was many months ago, and they decided to work on project more.

Hi WFInsider. I'm English but live and work in Russia and as such am one of the few Englishmen you'll find who's happy that Russia was awarded the right to hold the WC 2018. Anyway, I thought there was a plan now for the Spartak stadium to have an indoor arena tacked on as well? As shown on the small pics at the bottom of this page: Spartak stadium official site (http://www.stadionspartak.ru/usr/article/item.asp?id=1344&mid=1677).

Don't have time to look out the bigger pictures now - for some reason I can't find them on the site. One of the club official was saying they could switch games having to be played when the weather's bad (of which there'll be more now they're changing the timing of the season), and play at the indoor venue.

That page talks about a capacity of 42K. Wasn't there also talk that, if Russia won the bid, they'd get government funding to build to 47K. Any news on that yet?

There will be an indoor arena near the stadium:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9490/img0737ae.jpg

But I remember only about small capacity - 3000-4000.

The capacity of stadium will be 42,000-44,000. No exact number yet, as project is in process of developing.

Don't have time to look out the bigger pictures now - for some reason I can't find them on the site. One of the club official was saying they could switch games having to be played when the weather's bad (of which there'll be more now they're changing the timing of the season), and play at the indoor venue.

Russian League will be played by European rules (start - at autumn, finish - at spring) since 2011. Therefore, will be more matches when weather is cold. The indoor stadium will be built due to this reason (and will be used as training area).

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"Ground level" (fundament) will be completed in June 2011
Total completion in december 2013.
Capacity: 42,000.

http://new.spartak.com/thefiles/stadion/std_nov0.jpg

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stadium is not fast work why ?

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Wow, certainly enough room for the corporates there!

how many suites will it have?

Schedule:

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big size

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I'd rather have this stadium used as a venue for 2018 FIFA World Cup instead of Dynamo Stadium.

I'd rather have this stadium used as a venue for 2018 FIFA World Cup instead of Dynamo Stadium.

I hope you're kidding.

http://www.architectenweb.nl/bin/news/174106.jpg
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:ohno:

how many suites will it have?
~ 2,700 on this VIP-stands. But it's not official, just rumors.

Just VIP seats no suites?

it just remind me something :D



good and simple stadium :)

It's just that Dinamo stadium is planned to be a mega-arena with two transformable fields which can be used for a variety of sports, as well as concerts and shows, whereas Spartak stadium is planned to be just your regular football stadium.

I hope you're kidding.

http://www.architectenweb.nl/bin/news/174106.jpg
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http://spartak.com/thefiles/stadion/stadion8.jpg
:ohno:

We're not kiddng. The interior of the other stadium is a great stadium and all, but the placement of a stadium like this inside the historic facade of a hstoric stadium will be wrong. Somebody should come up with an alternate proposal for Dynamo Stadium's reconstruction and make it more of a "Mini-Luzhniki".

I'd rather have this stadium used as a venue for 2018 FIFA World Cup instead of Dynamo Stadium.

I'm personally (like many Russian football fans) dislike location of the VIP-tribune at Spartak stadium.

http://spartak.com/thefiles/stadion/stadion8.jpg

Not only Russian fans. :lol:

I dislike it too. It seems pretty good atmosphere breaker. It could have been done much better, like one ring around whole stadium, like in new Istanbul stadium or on Emirates or so.

This is typicall American stadium. In Russia.

I think the ideal stadium for Fedun - it stands at 10-15000 VIP seats. He believes that the VIP will generate 90% of the profits from the tickets, so he is not interested in building a stadium on 60-70000, for poor fans and ultras.
Spartak -21, Dynamo Kiev - 13, Dynamo Moscow - 11, CSKA Moscow - 10 titles. Who in the subject, knows about winning Dynamo Kiev vs. Little Russian clubs in the Soviet times, he knows about the time of Beria's in Dynamo Moscow.

30.12.2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgyXrsQ2uNk&feature=player_embedded

quite a cool design though
light and nice industrial!

just an opinion about the capacity of the new spartak stadium, it looks for me too little.
If we consider that a new modern arena atracts more attendance then before, sometimes the attendance could be even doubled ( see the case of Shakhtar Donetk), a stadium of 42k for spartak could cover only the needs for normal internal matches. What about a derby? the visits of Zenit, CSKA, Dinamo, Lokomotiv, even Rubin could attract even more then 60 k crowds in a new stadium. Also in Europe..

For the new stadium of CSKA 35k looks just ok

Could somebody give me some statistics about the percentages of thefans/team in russia. At least approximative..

I'm interested about Moscow clubs: Spartak, Dynamo, CSKA, Lokomotiv, Torpedo both in Moscow region and in Russia territory as well and also how support has Zenit besides sankt petersburg?

Club etc posts have been moved
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=251010&page=40

I'd rather have this stadium used as a venue for 2018 FIFA World Cup instead of Dynamo Stadium.

Not instead but together with Dinamo :ohno:

Average attendance Spartak in the Russian(USSR) league. Their home game red-white played in stadiums: Dinamo, Lokomotiv, Luzhniki, Torpedo, "winter" arenas SK Olimpiysky and SK CSKA.
1936(spring, 3 position in the league) - 25830
1936(1 - autumn) - 25830
1937(2) - 38750
1938(1) - 25000
1939(1) - 39750
1940(3) - 57000
1945(10) - 33120
1946(6) - 34550
1947(8) - 38750
1948(3) - 50000
1949(3) - 58330
1950(5) - 58330
1951(6) - 45700
1952(1) - no data
1953(1) - 70000
1954(2) - 32500
1955(2) - 47600
1956(1) - 58000
1957(3) - no data
1958(1) - 95830
1959(6) - 73270
1960(7) - 56800
1961(3) - 70930
1962(1) - 64190
1963(2) - 49550
1964(8) - 50500
1965(8) - 27440
1966(4) - 43940
1967(7) - 36330
1968(2) - 40320
1969(1) - 50190
1970(3) - 35940
1971(6) - 30000
1972(11) - 22140
1973(4) - 25360
1974(2) - 24750
1975(10) - 27800
1976(14 - spring) - 19430
1976(15 - autumn) - 10140
1977(1 in 1D(2Level) - 19900
1978(5) - 23570
1979(1) - 30590
1980(2) - 23120
1981(2) - 23290
1982(3) - 16190
1983(2) - 26290
1984(2) - 20350
1985(2) - 25880
1986(3) - 19570
1987(1) - 37400
1988(4) - 28300
1989(1) - 33600
1990(5) - 27600
1991(2) - 14900
1992(1) - 10690
1993(1) - 8060
1994(1) - 4210
1995(3) - 12470
1996(1) - 9500
1997(1) - 11940
1998(1) - 11670
1999(1) - 18000
2000(1) - 18200
2001(1) - 11580
2002(3) - 12230
2003(8) - 11800
2004(10) - 9110
2005(2) - 19730
2006(2) - 17220
2007(2) - 24070
2008(8) - 21410
2009(2) - 27030
2010(4) - 23450

1958(1) - 95830


hard to believe such an average..:nuts:

are you sure that is real?

1958(1) - 95830


hard to believe such an average..:nuts:

are you sure that is real?

Yes, in 1956 built Luzhniki (103,000 capacity). Prior to that played at the Dinamo Stadium (80,000 maximum).

Yes, in 1956 built Luzhniki (103,000 capacity). Prior to that played at the Dinamo Stadium (80,000 maximum).

Dynamo Stadium had capacity 54.000 in 1950s. So, I'm doubt in the number 70.000 in 1953.

Looks like Juventus Arena. :D

Dynamo Stadium had capacity 54.000 in 1950s. So, I'm doubt in the number 70.000 in 1953.

You have the wrong data. Once in 01.09.1940 was 85,000(record Dinamo stadium) on the game Spartak 1-5 Dinamo.
22.07.1945. CSKA 1-4 Dinamo(80000)
22.09.1945. Dinamo 0-2 CSKA(70000)
2.05.1947. Spartak 1-1 CSKA(80000)
14.05.1947. Dinamo 3-1 CSKA(80000)
2.05.1949. Dinamo 3-1 CSKA(70000)
13.09.1949. Spartak 1-2 CSKA(80000)...
Even the Dinamo, CSKA and Torpedo average attendance in some seasons has been more than 50000. But Spartak was always the most popular club in Moscow, so I trust the official statistics.
Do not forget that if the stadiums were long benches. People in many games were like sardines (2 people per 1 place).

You have the wrong data. Once in 01.09.1940 was 85,000(record Dinamo stadium) on the game Spartak 1-5 Dinamo.
22.07.1945. CSKA 1-4 Dinamo(80000)
22.09.1945. Dinamo 0-2 CSKA(70000)
2.05.1947. Spartak 1-1 CSKA(80000)
14.05.1947. Dinamo 3-1 CSKA(80000)
2.05.1949. Dinamo 3-1 CSKA(70000)
13.09.1949. Spartak 1-2 CSKA(80000)...
Even the Dinamo, CSKA and Torpedo average attendance in some seasons has been more than 50000. But Spartak was always the most popular club in Moscow, so I trust the official statistics.
Do not forget that if the stadiums were long benches. People in many games were like sardines (2 people per 1 place).

here in romania the attendance has been the result of the journalists appreciation mainly.. Only in the last few years we had the exact figures of the spectators, for some matches at least. So if i check the statistics during comunism time i can find many high figures of 90-100 k on the former national stadium, even this stadium had only 63 k capacity. Basicly I can't rely very much on these figures. I don't know if it is the same in russia too..

here in romania the attendance has been the result of the journalists appreciation mainly.. Only in the last few years we had the exact figures of the spectators, for some matches at least. So if i check the statistics during comunism time i can find many high figures of 90-100 k on the former national stadium, even this stadium had only 63 k capacity. Basicly I can't rely very much on these figures. I don't know if it is the same in russia too..

Attendance figures Spartak I took from the official history book Spartak, released by the club. Matches with CSKA from the statistical site:
http://www.cska-games.ru/

here in romania the attendance has been the result of the journalists appreciation mainly.. Only in the last few years we had the exact figures of the spectators, for some matches at least. So if i check the statistics during comunism time i can find many high figures of 90-100 k on the former national stadium, even this stadium had only 63 k capacity. Basicly I can't rely very much on these figures. I don't know if it is the same in russia too..

I see no reason to falsify. As it was said, during these times at the many world stadiums were long benches instead of separate seats, which later were demolished after request of FIFA. In addition, the football was really popular at these times - the players were better, the national team was stronger and were no riots at the stadiums. In 1956 Soviet team won Olympic Games. In USSR it looked more prestigious event than World Cup. In addition, there were only 12 teams in the Soviet Top League 1958. It mean that almost every home match Spartak played against strong team, what looked very interesting for the fans.

And it was not only in football. For example, there was record attendance at Luzhniki football stadium during key match of the Ice Hockey World Championship 1957 between USSR and Sweden. Or during the Speed Skating World Allround Championship 1962 (also at the football stadium).

Anyway, your myth that Moscow clubs always had low attendance, was destroyed.

To date, the foundation strikes like 600 piles (of 1200).
At the stadium will be 44 VIP boxes + business club with 500 seats.

To date, the foundation strikes like 900 piles (of 1200).
At the stadium will be an artificial grass.

http://ss.sport-express.ru/userfiles/photoreports/38/full/38554.jpg

http://photo.championat.com/4/4832/full/171920.jpg

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video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBQclU3FpwU

From Yandex.Maps (http://maps.yandex.ru/-/CBQqzCky):

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/1551/spartak.jpg

http://photo.championat.com/4/4832/full/171956.jpg
:) Inside will be like at Lviv stadium:
http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lviv_stadium/2011/04/20/aerophoto_lviv_stadion_19.jpg

06.05.2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H9SLZhA8Zk&feature=player_detailpage

the design has changed? where are the 4 mega structures that supports the roof?

The last, 1205th pile has been concreted in the ground today.

new photos:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/52733402.jpg

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Will the rest of the green area be transformed into a park or will it be used for new buildings?

I think there's way too many suites, practically makes one stand VIP+ except a few rows.
They could have made the stands closer to the pitch, the rest is very OK. So is Spartak or Dinamo going to host games at WC 2018?

Spartak and Dinamo going to host games at WC 2018

So there's going to be 3 stadiums in Moscow to host games?

Yes, Fifa endorsed such a possibility

Moscow is a city that has 10+ million inhabitants, so It's not wrong to have 3 stadiums there

Yes, Fifa endorsed such a possibility

And fourth in the outskirts, right?

And fourth in the outskirts, right?

Fourth stadium for 2018 is a joke of Russian Committee :lol:

i thought you could only have two in one city, or can they make exceptions?

there will be 6 stadiums in Doha in 2022 so FIFA seems to not care about it anymore

FIFA seems to not care about it anymore

^^ Money makes the world go round.

Now seriously, if it was up to me, the 1+1 stadium rule ( with the 2nd not counting to the minimum number of stadiums per final tourney ) is necessary to host a healthy tournament for all your country but looking at Moscow's huge population and maybe not such a greater interest in other cities, it would be the only one I would make an exception for and let it host games on 3 or even 4 stadiums with the condition they will represent different corners of the city.
As for Doha.....all I can say is MEH!

some cities such as Rostov, Volgograd, St. Petersburg, etc, are really interested in football so this decision only depends on population of Moscow, that's it

Average attendance Spartak in the Russian(USSR) league. Their home game red-white played in stadiums: Dinamo, Lokomotiv, Luzhniki, Torpedo, "winter" arenas SK Olimpiysky and SK CSKA.
1936(spring, 3 position in the league) - 25830
1936(1 - autumn) - 25830
1937(2) - 38750
1938(1) - 25000
1939(1) - 39750
1940(3) - 57000
1945(10) - 33120
1946(6) - 34550
1947(8) - 38750
1948(3) - 50000
1949(3) - 58330
1950(5) - 58330
1951(6) - 45700
1952(1) - no data
1953(1) - 70000
1954(2) - 32500
1955(2) - 47600
1956(1) - 58000
1957(3) - no data
1958(1) - 95830
1959(6) - 73270
1960(7) - 56800
1961(3) - 70930
1962(1) - 64190
1963(2) - 49550
1964(8) - 50500
1965(8) - 27440
1966(4) - 43940
1967(7) - 36330
1968(2) - 40320
1969(1) - 50190
1970(3) - 35940
1971(6) - 30000
1972(11) - 22140
1973(4) - 25360
1974(2) - 24750
1975(10) - 27800
1976(14 - spring) - 19430
1976(15 - autumn) - 10140
1977(1 in 1D(2Level) - 19900
1978(5) - 23570
1979(1) - 30590
1980(2) - 23120
1981(2) - 23290
1982(3) - 16190
1983(2) - 26290
1984(2) - 20350
1985(2) - 25880
1986(3) - 19570
1987(1) - 37400
1988(4) - 28300
1989(1) - 33600
1990(5) - 27600
1991(2) - 14900
1992(1) - 10690
1993(1) - 8060
1994(1) - 4210
1995(3) - 12470
1996(1) - 9500
1997(1) - 11940
1998(1) - 11670
1999(1) - 18000
2000(1) - 18200
2001(1) - 11580
2002(3) - 12230
2003(8) - 11800
2004(10) - 9110
2005(2) - 19730
2006(2) - 17220
2007(2) - 24070
2008(8) - 21410
2009(2) - 27030
2010(4) - 23450

Can anyone post the pictures about the attendance in 1940s~1970s?

Can anyone post the pictures about the attendance in 1940s~1970s?

1947, Soviet Cup Final. Spartak - Torpedo Moscow 2-0. 70000
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1958, Soviet Cup Final. Spartak - Torpedo Moscow 1-0 (OT). 110000
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1962. Soviet Championship. Dynamo Kiyv - Spartak Moscow 0:2
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1972. Soviet Cup Final (replay). Torpedo Moscow - Spartak 1-1 (OT), 5-1aps. 35000
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doha really is an exception though, its like pretty much the only real city in qatar

The reason why Moscow has 3+1 stadiums is because "Central Cluster" consists only of Moscow. In one cluster 1 or 2 groups are playing matches (it will depend on final FIFA decision on number of cities in 2013).

Clusters are made due to big territory of Russia, to make teams and fans not flying on big distances on group level.

^^ In the communist times Romania used to have over 100.000 people on Lia Manoliu old stadium ( just as to compare to Luzhniki, as a all-seater it was 55.000 and accepted as ~80.000 without ).
During the summer there was a friendly tournament played on the stadium between teams from Bucharest, I think one Dinamo Bucharest v. Sportul Studentesc holds the record of about 120.000 in 1985 with practically people staying on the track to watch the game.
Since communist times were tough people were mostly in the city at home during the summer rather than being away at the sea side or anywhere else, people used that tournament as a vacation day to spend watching football.
At official games, it was something like 85.000 at Dinamo-Galatasaray in the 50's, Romania-Italy in 1983 and Dinamo-Liverpool in 1984.

^^ In the communist times Romania used to have over 100.000 people on Lia Manoliu old stadium ( just as to compare to Luzhniki, as a all-seater it was 55.000 and accepted as ~80.000 without ).
During the summer there was a friendly tournament played on the stadium between teams from Bucharest, I think one Dinamo Bucharest v. Sportul Studentesc holds the record of about 120.000 in 1985 with practically people staying on the track to watch the game.
Since communist times were tough people were mostly in the city at home during the summer rather than being away at the sea side or anywhere else, people used that tournament as a vacation day to spend watching football.
At official games, it was something like 85.000 at Dinamo-Galatasaray in the 50's, Romania-Italy in 1983 and Dinamo-Liverpool in 1984.

these figures were exaggerated. In fact the stadium used to have 63.000 on the benches. In 1998 when they replaces the old wooden benches with new plastic seats the capacity dropp it to 52.800. Is no way to crowd 120.000 in a stadium half capacity

No, it was by no way 63.000 on the benches that became 52.800 on seats, the stadium had 60.000 on seats when it was demolished after some minor changes a few years before.
The first thing is, people were standing up, second of all even if the stadium had 63.000 with people standing up on the row and the bench it would still fit 100.000 and there were no standards back then to not let so many.

No, it was by no way 63.000 on the benches that became 52.800 on seats, the stadium had 60.000 on seats when it was demolished after some minor changes a few years before.
The first thing is, people were standing up, second of all even if the stadium had 63.000 with people standing up on the row and the bench it would still fit 100.000 and there were no standards back then to not let so many.

I know that you can find figures like 60.120 places just before the demolition but I am afraid it was not true.
I see you are a fan o steaua, just check the attendance from the spring 2006 when you had reached semifinals. You can find only 47.000 sold out against middlesbrough or rapid which is far away from 60k - 10% but actually correspond to 53 k- 10%. Anyway i red in an old sport magazin from the '80 the exact capacity of the stadium and it excedeed a little 63k

http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-arhiva-1181626-steaua-middlesbrough-1-0.htm

Paul CB has a point.

Check out this footage of Steau V Rapid from 1985.

Overflowing crowd. Spectators seated on the running track, and in the stands you can see them packed-in like sardines (check the video at 1:25-1:30 approx) with the odd unfortunate spectator forced to stand side-on to the field. I could only imagine how many fans must have damaged a bladder as they would not have been unable to get to the toilets once the had taken their positions.

Must have been at least 100,000 in stadium.


http://youtu.be/bQWCYGjn_RY

http://www.spartak.com/thefiles/stadion_chronology/june_2011.jpg

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Несколько общих планов от 16.06.2011г.

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this stadium is to be used for WC or?

this stadium is to be used for WC or?

It's planned to be use.

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Spartak Moskva its pride of Russia!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxYz5v2rmok

The location is very very good in renderings. It seems to be surrounded by housing complex with huge population. Perfect place to draw people into stadium.

The location is very very good in renderings. It seems to be surrounded by housing complex with huge population. Perfect place to draw people into stadium.
If I'm right (though I'm not a Russian speaker, so correct me if not, anyone), this place is only planned to be that densily populated. It's not like that yet, but indeed looks like quite some potential. As if being in Moscow itself and being called Spartak wasn't enough :)

Actually, this is resuscitation of the 1970s plans.

http://www.aecom.com/deployedfiles/Internet/Geographies/Europe/Capabilities/Building%20Engineering/Projects/spartak-stadium_exterior_flying_mainimg.jpg

http://www.aecom.com/deployedfiles/Internet/Geographies/Europe/Capabilities/Building%20Engineering/Projects/spartak-stadium_exterior_entrance_mainimg.jpg
Spartak Stadium, Moscow, Russia

One of the Russia’s best-known football teams – Spartak Moscow – have seen work start in 2010 on building a new-generation, 42,000-seat stadium. It will be the first custom-designed venue for the Russian club since its founding in 1935.

The all-seater stadium meets current FIFA World Cup stadium standards, and played a key role in Russia’s winning bid for the 2018 World Cup. AECOM has been appointed to design the new stadium.

Key features

- The stadium’s design was benchmarked against the latest UK Premier League and other leading European leagues’ facilities.
- The supporting columns of the stadium’s super-structure are exterior facing to ensure supporters enjoy clear and uninterrupted views of the pitch from any part of the ground. With no running track around the pitch fans will also be a lot closer to the action; generating an intense atmosphere unique to the modern day match day occasion.
- The roof design was driven by the need to develop an economic, easy-to-build structure which can cope with the extremes of Moscow’s climate whilst maintaining an elegant aesthetic.
- Lifts and spacious stairwells will take fans up to the upper levels of the stadium and there are spacious public concourse circulation areas which will have a large number of toilets and food/refreshment outlets.
- The stadium will meet the highest standards of spectator safety and will fully provide for disabled spectators.
- The stadium will provide facilities for written and broadcast press segregated from public areas
- The club’s players, officials and staff will all enjoy new changing areas, operational areas and club offices.
- The VIP section will offer exceptional space to meet the increased expectation and demands for such areas.
- The stadium will have a state-of-the-art artificial pitch with the capability of being replaced by turf for major football tournaments.

In addition to the stadium, AECOM is also completing a masterplan for the site to include a 12,000-seat multi-purpose arena, and other leisure and retail facilities.
http://www.aecom.com/Where+We+Are/Europe/_carousel/Spartak+Stadium,+Moscow,+Russia

extremely slow :ohno:

Why no real grass? :ohno:

http://www.spartak.com/thefiles/stadion_chronology/August_2011_2.JPG

http://www.spartak.com/thefiles/stadion_chronology/August2011_1.JPG

http://www.spartak.com/main/8639/8641/

About new stadium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWRoiohHTmE

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http://www.spartak.com/main/8639/8643/

Actually, this is resuscitation of the 1970s plans.

How are apartments in the buildings these days compared to 1970? I doubt that 40 years ago in the USSR you would get similar comforts, but now real-estate prices in Moscow are way over what an average earner can go for?
Is area around the stadium known for Spartak fans? I'll see it pretty ironic for most of the people to support Dynamo or CKSA around there :D.

How are apartments in the buildings these days compared to 1970?

In 1970s there were plans to built apartment buildings at the site of former airfield. So this is reanimation of these plans. Although, there is one difference. In Soviet times residents got such apartments freely. And now they must to work during 20 years to have money for buying it.

Is area around the stadium known for Spartak fans? I'll see it pretty ironic for most of the people to support Dynamo or CKSA around there :D.

I'm think, this area is "white spot" for majority of Moscow fans.

In 1970s there were plans to built apartment buildings at the site of former airfield. So this is reanimation of these plans. Although, there is one difference. In Soviet times residents got such apartments freely. And now they must to work during 20 years to have money for buying it.

Quality of the communist apartments was doubtful, you were sent to live where the state sent you to and practically you had the right only for one and it was closely tied to where you work so if now you have to work 20 years for the house to be yours, then you had to work till the day you die ( or, well, retire at ~60 ) at a place you were automatically sent to. In a way or another, I would choose 20 years and my place than 40 :D.

The buildings look good, of course, it might take some time for it to get populated, will it also have a Metro station?

The buildings look good, of course, it might take some time for it to get populated, will it also have a Metro station?

The current situation is next: if owner of FC Spartak (Leonid Fedun) want to have station (it's already built in constructions from 1970s, but it's need to built exits and made facing works), that he must buy technical documentation and to finish it on own money. Currently city officials have no interes in it.

Greetings to the russian fans!

The new stadium of spartak looks nice but too small in my opinion. I know spartak is the most popular club in moscow attracting big crowded to the derbies vs CSKA or Zenit or to the european matches. Even the new CSKA stadium looks small with only 30k seats.
There are specific areas in moscow with more support for a specific team or another? I saw that Dinamo and CSKA are situated more central and Lokomotiv or Torpedo have the the stadiums in the outskirts..
As for spartak because they didnt have a stadium I presume the support comes from all the city corners not from a specific area mainly..
I just red in a romanian newspaper that Anzhi Mahacikala makes the trainings in Moscow and plays in mahacikala.. It is like this?
Would you believe that the project from mahacikala is reliable?
Also, what about Dan Petrescu the romanian coach, how is seen in russian football after a half of year in the russian premiere league?

Greetings to the russian fans!
The new stadium of spartak looks nice but too small in my opinion. I know spartak is the most popular club in moscow attracting big crowded to the derbies vs CSKA or Zenit or to the european matches. Even the new CSKA stadium looks small with only 30k seats.
Hi.
Only these two mathes could attract more than 45k. We have also Luzhniki stadium for it. After new reconstruction it would be nearly 90k.

I just red in a romanian newspaper that Anzhi Mahacikala makes the trainings in Moscow and plays in mahacikala.. It is like this?
Yeah ) Thats right
Would you believe that the project from mahacikala is reliable?
No of course. Anzhi is just a toy of S. Kerimov, a very rich man in Russia, like Abramovich...Also, what about Dan Petrescu Not bad )) not bad....

No of course. Anzhi is just a toy of S. Kerimov, a very rich man in Russia, like Abramovich..
It's not a toy. Kerimov will build 100 football fields in republic. Anzhi is training in Moscow region, because it doesn't have good conditions on its base, but Kerimov investitions will help to build 2 new bases, reconstruct stadium "Khazar" (to play there during building the new stadium) and to build a new 45000-stadium.

Kerimov also want to build a sports clusted in Makhachkala to host Youth Olimpic Games - 2018.

Russia is currently investing billions of $ in tourist infrastructure in N.Caucusus.

You can read about it here: http://www.ncrc.ru/e/resorts/

thks for the information!

Will this new stadium also double as a concert venue?

I know most large-scale concerts take place at Luzhniki Stadium. But this new stadium has a smaller capacity. That way artists will be able to sell it out.

Is area around the stadium known for Spartak fans? I'll see it pretty ironic for most of the people to support Dynamo or CKSA around there :D.


The stadium is constructed in the Tushino. This is one of the Spartak districts. In general, the situation is. In Moscow, five big clubs: approximately 50% are fans of Spartaк and the remaining 50% for the other 4 clubs CSKA, Dinamo, Torpedo and Lokomotiv. Each club has its own local areas, but Spartak for the sick all over Moscow, regions and abroad. Anything in the world for more than 20 million fans of Spartak.

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The optimal variant would be 65-70000 at the moment, but we have a greedy owner. Tickets and season tickets in Russia do not bring that kind of money in England, so it is more profitable minimum capacity, but the maximum capacity of the VIP boxes and boxes (8000), which will bring more than 90% of the profits. And he save extra 100-150 million euros for 20,000 seats for ordinary fans.
But there is hope that in future the capacity will increase, it is good that there are a lot of space.

---stadium please---

Why no real grass? :ohno:

It never ceases to amaze me how the football leaders keep ignoring the fans and the players when it comes to this matter. If you ask the players 8 to 9 out of 10 doesnt want it, and it`s their workplace, it`s them who are going to use it, and us, the fans who pay money to witness it. Dear o dear...

It never ceases to amaze me how the football leaders keep ignoring the fans and the players when it comes to this matter. If you ask the players 8 to 9 out of 10 doesnt want it, and it`s their workplace, it`s them who are going to use it, and us, the fans who pay money to witness it. Dear o dear...Yeah, every club in moscow play on real grass so why not spartak?

the renderings look great, its like the turk telecom arena and the emirates fused

Yesterday in Luzhniki 70000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXqcALsT66w&feature=player_embedded

It was asked why now Spartaк such a low average attendance, as opposed to 30-80 years. Because a police control now. The road from the stadium to the metro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64tEua0zX30


Exit from the stadium after the match was over 1 hour 20 min. In the video, the usual fans (not ultra) of the central sectors were waiting more than 1 hour until the police released them.:bash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOhnVigBiPI&feature=player_embedded

Most probably, the grass will be natural (according to words of Spartak owner).

Most probably, the grass will be natural (according to words of Spartak owner).

Finally, someone is talking some sense... Fingers crossed! Why did they want to go for a plastic pitch in the first place anyway? Cause it`s gonna be a multi-purpose stadium? Climate?

Cause it`s gonna be a multi-purpose stadium? Climate?

Climate, of course.

Will this new stadium also double as a concert venue?

Not the stadium, but indoor sport arena nearby.

Therefore, Tushino Airfield should preserve its concert status.

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Climate, of course.

Well, it`s now August 2011. Climate is an issue of the past. Todays technology allows clubs to have a grass pitch all year around. And also, you`ve got money over there, havent you? And btw, i`m not trying to be an arse.. I`m just saying. : )

In Petersburg the climate is worse i belive and Zenit play on grass so do other moscow clubs like loko and cska. Btw Akinfeev got injured due to falling badly on a plastic pitch but welliton is getting all the blame :bash:

Climate is an issue of the past. Todays technology allows clubs to have a grass pitch all year around.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :lol::lol::lol:

And for this reason Norwegian Championship not play in European season (autumn-winter-spring)?

Well, it`s now August 2011.

I don't know what you have in August 2011, but in February 2006 I watched UEFA Cup match Rosenborg vs Zenit (as well as some matches of 2nd stage of Champions League in Trondheim few years before). Dude, if you named this surface "grass", that you is joker. I'm think that players with more pleasure will be eat this so-called "grass" than play on it.

And also, you`ve got money over there, havent you? And btw, i`m not trying to be an arse.. I`m just saying. : )

REMEMBER DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M NEVER GOT MONEY FROM RED-WHITE "BUTCHERS", BECAUSE I'M FAN OF ANOTHER CLUB :mad::mad::mad:

CSKA MOSCOW FOREVER!!!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :lol::lol::lol:

And for this reason Norwegian Championship not play in European season (autumn-winter-spring)?



I`m sorry, that`s my mistake. I should have (and meant to say) through out the season. In Norway as you pointed out we don`t play according to most of Europe, but from March to November. Thats why i`m embarassed that some Norwegian premier clubs play on plastic. It`s being lazy and it`s a disgrace.



I don't know what you have in August 2011, but in February 2006 I watched UEFA Cup match Rosenborg vs Zenit (as well as some matches of 2nd stage of Champions League in Trondheim few years before). Dude, if you named this surface "grass", that you is joker. I'm think that players with more pleasure will be eat this so-called "grass" than play on it.



I agree with you there. An awful pitch is an embarassment to the club and to football in general, as is plastic pitches. The reason why i asked you if you`ve got money over in Russian football, something i believe you do, is that grass costs money. And if you`ve got money, you can spend it on the pitch. Rosenborg gets over a 100m NOK (12-13m euros) everytime they qualify for the Champions League. You don`t need to spend alot of those money to maintain a perfect pitch. If they can train outside on grass in -10 degrees in England (last year) on imaculate pitches, then f**k me, the top flight clubs in the various countries in europe should be able to have a grass pitch on their stadiums.

Sorry for the semi-off topic here. This should be in the gras or gras vs plastic thread.

At the new stadium will be natural grass!
p\s we are not "BUTCHERS", we are RUSSIANS!

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Most probably, first match will be in February 2014.

Mayor of Moscow visited contruction site:

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Indoor arena next to the stadium? Any more info on this structure?

Indoor arena next to the stadium? Any more info on this structure?
Capacity - 12,000. For concerts, expositions and football matches in last 2-3 tours before winter pause in championship. And for other matches, not just official.

Capacity - 12,000. For concerts, expositions and football matches in last 2-3 tours before winter pause in championship. And for other matches, not just official.
So practically there are two stadiiums being built in a touching distance?
I think in ters of easthetics the second one destroys the whole concept of the first one. Absolutely horrible. If these were built seperately, I would probably say nothing, but this is scary.

Actually, the Indoor arena is in stage of project, but I don't agree, I think both will look very good.

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Look nice. :cheers:

So practically there are two stadiiums being built in a touching distance?
I think in ters of easthetics the second one destroys the whole concept of the first one. Absolutely horrible. If these were built seperately, I would probably say nothing, but this is scary.

In Fedun (president of Spartak), no logic. We told him why build such a small stadium for the biggest club in the 42 000 seats and has an indoor stadium of 12,000 seats. It is better to build a normal stadium to 60,000. Want to hold exhibitions and concerts in the winter? Please, do closing the roof like a Zenit, no problem.
And now the question. The new stadium the club will sell at least 30,000 season tickets. As season ticket holders will fit, for example, to match Spartak - Kuban in December on the 12-cap arena? And you can even imagine at Derby stadine 12 000? This nonsens. It would be better Fedun built instead of an indoor arena for Hockey Club Spartak, the legendary club plays in a 5-cap barn.

In Fedun (president of Spartak), no logic. We told him why build such a small stadium for the biggest club in the 42 000 seats and has an indoor stadium of 12,000 seats. It is better to build a normal stadium to 60,000. Want to hold exhibitions and concerts in the winter? Please, do closing the roof like a Zenit, no problem.
And now the question. The new stadium the club will sell at least 30,000 season tickets. As season ticket holders will fit, for example, to match Spartak - Kuban in December on the 12-cap arena? And you can even imagine at Derby stadine 12 000? This nonsens. It would be better Fedun built instead of an indoor arena for Hockey Club Spartak, the legendary club plays in a 5-cap barn.
The thing with season tickets sounds like quite an argument. So was there any response from the club? I mean if it makes no sense (and it seems to) than do they have any reasonable explanation/response to criticism?

The thing with season tickets sounds like quite an argument. So was there any response from the club? I mean if it makes no sense (and it seems to) than do they have any reasonable explanation/response to criticism?

There was no explanation. But I guess why. First of all, I have already said that he did not consider the opinions of ordinary fans in the planning of the stadium. Originally wanted to do to build on the 35,000, but under pressure from fans, increased capacity to 42,000. The stadium provides a lot of VIP boxes and Sky boxes (8,000 seats), it is expected that they will provide about 90% of the revenue the stadium.
It is likely that these 8,000 people will have input in both arenas. And the rest do not even know.

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Impressive snaps of ground beams and pile caps WFInsider, keep them coming !!

I've been to mighty Moscow a few years ago, I must return again.

Such solution of the pile caps is not flexible. More better is flate plate over piles.

The roof trusses on the cube are over 33m apparently? That should be high enough for rugby, I wonder if Spartak-GM would be able to play there. A similar stadium was recently built in Dunedin, New Zealand for rugby use. That has natural grasss, I assume this will be synthetic?

In fact after further digging, it appears the Spartak rugby are already in discussions to use the covered arena.

A similar stadium was recently built in Dunedin, New Zealand for rugby use. That has natural grasss, I assume this will be synthetic?
From all the information we've had so far - yes, it seems so.

Btw - anyone know the name of the arena?

From all the information we've had so far - yes, it seems so.

Btw - anyone know the name of the arena?

There's a % of synthetic grass mixed in with natural grass at Otago Stadium, Dunedin. It's mainly natural grass though and added synthetic strands for durability, possibly more of a consideration for a rugby pitch.

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