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ismail May 1st, 2010, 12:57 PM The cab is on TC6, looks like the paperwork must have been done.
Yep, Network rail were just a bit pissed off that a crane that was not on the orginal plans was being put so close to their station, and put the old Health and safety boot in.
All sorted now
scalatrava89 May 1st, 2010, 01:23 PM Any idea when the crain from the central core will make an appearance? I've seen sections going into the core but no sign of it topping out yet.
scalatrava89 May 1st, 2010, 01:29 PM http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer120.jpg
Does anyone know of any other webcams? This and the official two cams on the Shard's page are the only ones I know of.
cybertect May 1st, 2010, 02:25 PM Yep, Network rail were just a bit pissed off that a crane that was not on the orginal plans was being put so close to their station, and put the old Health and safety boot in.
All sorted now
Not just H&S. There is also the legal question of easements if the boom will pass over NR property and it wasn't in the original agreement.
Anyhow, glad it's sorted.
Gianni Merryman May 1st, 2010, 04:55 PM Does anyone know of any other webcams? This and the official two cams on the Shard's page are the only ones I know of.
These are the ones I am aware so far, I am not sure if there is any other left.
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer120.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer64.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer81.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer30.jpg
scalatrava89 May 1st, 2010, 05:46 PM ^^ Thanks for that :). I've been looking for the last one all day. Really gives a great perspective on the building's.
wpbutcher May 1st, 2010, 06:00 PM This one just has a bit of shard on it
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer95.jpg
scalatrava89 May 1st, 2010, 06:26 PM Hopefully they’ll install a webcam showing the secondary core.
.Adam May 2nd, 2010, 02:01 AM http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4563516403_78f68a73b8_b.jpg
.Adam May 2nd, 2010, 02:02 AM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3241/4564142948_5c0e42d741_b.jpg
From St Thomas Street
JackM May 2nd, 2010, 11:33 AM It's really starting to bulk out now. :) How high is the core at the moment? Also, i heard that after the first few floors, the streelwork starts to speed up a bit, is there any truth to this?
Cheers. :cheers:
ben.hills83 May 2nd, 2010, 01:08 PM shard album
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=43807&id=1081422541&l=ea8ec793c9
mitosan May 2nd, 2010, 01:25 PM From friday:
http://www.timporter.net/4skyscrapercity/shard30042010.jpg
R.i.ch May 3rd, 2010, 01:21 AM Here's an interesting article I came across, it highlights some of the obstacles they've had to overcome due to the shards unique construction.
http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=583&storycode=3162661&c=0
Cat man do May 3rd, 2010, 02:22 AM ^^ Nice find. There is a sign-in process but you can create a free login with limited access and it doesn't ask for credit cards.
scalatrava89 May 3rd, 2010, 02:26 AM http://www.betterbankside.co.uk/news/development-news/1837-the-shard
A bit more info on the re-start of the core and start of the external glass cladding on the St Thomas Street elevation.
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 3rd, 2010, 10:47 AM Excellent update,going up again mid May. cheers
Edvvc May 3rd, 2010, 12:06 PM Here's an interesting article I came across, it highlights some of the obstacles they've had to overcome due to the shards unique construction.
http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=583&storycode=3162661&c=0
Superb article, R.i.ch, thanks for posting the link. Lots of juicy details and photos of the basement in there. :popcorn:
bandy May 3rd, 2010, 12:44 PM Here's an interesting article I came across, it highlights some of the obstacles they've had to overcome due to the shards unique construction.
http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=583&storycode=3162661&c=0
what a great article.
I am amazed (an understatement) at the thought and detail put in to this project. The engineering involved in this project is just mind-blowing. Infact I have now been inspired to start to persue a career in structural engineering as a result of this project!! Its just brilliant.
Also when you just look at the structure you dont realise and appreciate all the calculations that have to go into the smallest of details to bring this structure to life.
All credit to the men behind this project pioneering new techniques to speed this complicated building up.
I have to say that the overall speed of this project considering how complicated it is and the tight space of the site is also mind-blowing, if only some people could appreciate whats involved in its construction as this article points out.
I am in awe of all the people involved in this project and its lightning quick construction.
DrewHallam May 3rd, 2010, 03:06 PM what a great article.
I am amazed (an understatement) at the thought and detail put in to this project. The engineering involved in this project is just mind-blowing. Infact I have now been inspired to start to persue a career in structural engineering as a result of this project!! Its just brilliant.
Also when you just look at the structure you dont realise and appreciate all the calculations that have to go into the smallest of details to bring this structure to life.
All credit to the men behind this project pioneering new techniques to speed this complicated building up.
I have to say that the overall speed of this project considering how complicated it is and the tight space of the site is also mind-blowing, if only some people could appreciate whats involved in its construction as this article points out.
I am in awe of all the people involved in this project and its lightning quick construction.
I know what you mean... I find it amazing how they do the concrete floors. I've seen it on Discovery, one minute they are pouring the mix and and shovelling it around with brushes, and the next minute they are left with a perfectly smooth and straight floor. Total skill and perfection.:)
Cat man do May 3rd, 2010, 04:09 PM ^^ I expect gravity has a large part to play in that too though. My cuppa here has a nice smooth top but I don't put down to my expert tea making abilities ;0)
bandy May 3rd, 2010, 05:05 PM I know what you mean... I find it amazing how they do the concrete floors. I've seen it on Discovery, one minute they are pouring the mix and and shovelling it around with brushes, and the next minute they are left with a perfectly smooth and straight floor. Total skill and perfection.:)
Well, I was thinking more in line with the mathematics and physics involved with things like supporting the weight of the concrete core on the plunge columns without the concrete slab supporting the weight, they have to work out how much weight those plunge columns can take before buckling under...etc...
Cat man do May 3rd, 2010, 05:09 PM I know - there is a photo in the article underground with a worker sweeping up under the core - completely impervious it seems to the weight above him being held up by spindly looking columns.
DrewHallam May 3rd, 2010, 06:35 PM Well, I was thinking more in line with the mathematics and physics involved with things like supporting the weight of the concrete core on the plunge columns without the concrete slab supporting the weight, they have to work out how much weight those plunge columns can take before buckling under...etc...
oh yeah... that aswell but I have already talked about that with somebody and didn't feel the need to repeat myself:)
DrewHallam May 3rd, 2010, 06:39 PM ^^ I expect gravity has a large part to play in that too though. My cuppa here has a nice smooth top but I don't put down to my expert tea making abilities ;0)
A bit of a difference between a cup of tea and massive concrete floors, don't really get why you compare the two. Gravity doesn't make a concrete pour flush does it.
Cat man do May 3rd, 2010, 07:31 PM I was being a bit flippant I agree and acknowledge the skills of the workfolk, specially after reading the article, considering the heating effects, strength, mix etc. However there are some similarities, cement is a fluid and will settle to a flat finish though perhaps somewhat more viscious than a cup of tea and not without a little assistance.
DrewHallam May 3rd, 2010, 08:23 PM I was being a bit flippant I agree and acknowledge the skills of the workfolk, specially after reading the article, considering the heating effects, strength, mix etc. However there are some similarities, cement is a fluid and will settle to a flat finish though perhaps somewhat more viscious than a cup of tea and not without a little assistance.
I thought so.... lol
mulattokid May 3rd, 2010, 10:01 PM In other words yes....concrete will on the whole settle to a VERY flat finish, being a heavier solution than coffee with very little prompting. I suspect mechanical liquifaction is part of the process? Or whatever it is called outside of Seismology science.
ismail May 3rd, 2010, 10:21 PM thats a great article, and gives those who keep moaning about the speed of the construction, a good insight in to the complexities of building a supertall tower in a histroic city like London.
What we see in the form of steel and concrete rising is only the tip of the iceberg.:cheers:
nauticat May 4th, 2010, 01:26 AM It's been a while since I had visited but heres a few from today...all was quiet with it being the bank holiday but no complaints here since I was in a "reflective" mood :)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3350/4575941057_8bf0fee5a8.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3408/4576591462_77b5287c54.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4575967289_8b78de60b4.jpghttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4576655240_d1db39ac7a.jpg
and a few B & W just as a change
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4575951041_09786c64b6.jpghttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4575977501_e800292211.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3344/4576597568_f8d2edd905.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3359/4576599658_053512e8f7.jpg
Cat man do May 4th, 2010, 01:28 AM Aweful pun but great pics. A new angle there, love them.
Nihil Dicit May 4th, 2010, 08:40 AM There were some diagrams explaining the basement construction at the bottom of the article (http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=583&storycode=3162661&c=0) that R.i.ch posted earlier. A useful summary of the story so far. I thought I'd repost them here for those that missed them.
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/lowdown1.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/lowdown2.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/lowdown3.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/lowdown4.jpg
mulattokid May 4th, 2010, 12:36 PM :) Very useful.
nauticat May 4th, 2010, 01:11 PM A recent update from T34 too. Got a new camera with more MP and larger zooms so piccies a little clearer today
March 15........................................................................................Today
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4435163835_4bc2186936.jpghttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4577422913_380b658023.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4577490153_3b03724205.jpg
Frankus Maximus May 4th, 2010, 03:59 PM A few taken over the weekend:
http://personal.rhul.ac.uk/uhaa/037/img_2436.jpg
http://personal.rhul.ac.uk/uhaa/037/img_2438.jpg
http://personal.rhul.ac.uk/uhaa/037/img_2439.jpg
http://personal.rhul.ac.uk/uhaa/037/img_2442.jpg
http://personal.rhul.ac.uk/uhaa/037/img_2445.jpg
http://personal.rhul.ac.uk/uhaa/037/img_2447.jpg
Light Parade May 4th, 2010, 04:59 PM ^^
Nice summary (alas not summery) pictures.
Those relatively narrow horizontal bars in the fourth picture - you'd hang cladding off them, right?
rockdoctor May 5th, 2010, 12:55 PM No-one's mentioned it yet, but steel for the next three floors is going up rapidly today.
It's not clear on here middle camera (http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer120.jpg) because the verticals are lost in the shadows, but it's very clear on the high camera (http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer64.jpg)
Edit - the first really obvious vertical has appeared on the middle camera during lunchbreak - these guys are moving fast now!
Atmosphere May 5th, 2010, 02:44 PM Hehe just wanted to post the same.. but the next three floors? Isn't it going up by two floors every time?
Either way I didn't expect them to start on the next floors until they finish the current ones. Maybe it is finally going at the speed the promised.
rockdoctor May 5th, 2010, 03:30 PM Hehe just wanted to post the same.. but the next three floors? Isn't it going up by two floors every time?
Either way I didn't expect them to start on the next floors until they finish the current ones. Maybe it is finally going at the speed the promised.
My mistake, yes it's two floors at a time. It looks like they are doing everything at once - finishing off floors while constructing the steel framework for the next set. As each floor is concreted it creates a vast new area from which new work can be carried out - they need space to store everything that's being delivered to the site, and space simply for workers to move around.
It may be that the number of workers on site is gradually increasing as the space to accommodate them increases.
I noticed yesterday that there are three lifts operating up the side of the core. There were tracks for three from the start, but I think it was only recently that the outer two tracks started to be used.
dreadathecontrols May 5th, 2010, 08:00 PM very bloody exciting
scalatrava89 May 5th, 2010, 08:10 PM This has nothing to do with anything you guys have been talking about but.... The maximum unsupported height of a tower crane is - 265 feet (80 meters). So when are we going to see supports on the three white ladies?
Cat man do May 5th, 2010, 09:40 PM ^^ Has been mentioned several times in the past few pages - has been said when the floorcount gets to about 16 so a little while yet (unless theycan keep up today's progress!).
big henrik May 5th, 2010, 09:44 PM This has nothing to do with anything you guys have been talking about but.... The maximum unsupported height of a tower crane is - 265 feet (80 meters). So when are we going to see supports on the three white ladies?
not all tower cranes hava a freestanding height of 85mtrs, it all depends on the type of crane , type of base, various factors.... these cranes are at their maximum free standing height of 66mtrs, and i'm led to believe that they are likeley to be tied in at levels 12 or 13... if you have a look at the "bankside" job on southwark street where the 3 saddle jib cranes are (shard is using luffing jib cranes) the highest crane on that job is approx 90/94mtrs freestanding...the core crane (tc1) is going up this saturday, weather permitting... it has been designed to rise with the core , so that conventional climbing (adding tower sections) is not needed ... sorry to waffle on , hope this has helped... :nuts:
nrm the 2nd May 6th, 2010, 09:21 AM not all tower cranes hava a freestanding height of 85mtrs, it all depends on the type of crane , type of base, various factors.... these cranes are at their maximum free standing height of 66mtrs, and i'm led to believe that they are likeley to be tied in at levels 12 or 13... if you have a look at the "bankside" job on southwark street where the 3 saddle jib cranes are (shard is using luffing jib cranes) the highest crane on that job is approx 90/94mtrs freestanding...the core crane (tc1) is going up this saturday, weather permitting... it has been designed to rise with the core , so that conventional climbing (adding tower sections) is not needed ... sorry to waffle on , hope this has helped... :nuts:
I am also led to believe this crane will be a Liebherr similar to that which has just come down off the strata.
Yorkshire Boy May 6th, 2010, 10:58 AM I am also led to believe this crane will be a Liebherr similar to that which has just come down off the strata.
On an off-topic note... My flatmate climbed a Liebherr last night, theres 4 of them up in Chester building a new travelodge and some appartments. I'm pretty sure they're the heavy lifters, got '50 tonne' notices on the side. Some great views from the top, I'll try and post some pics if I can get them off him.
Langur May 6th, 2010, 11:00 AM It's too late for the Tories to stop it now. :)
sisiman May 6th, 2010, 11:16 AM core rising again?? :)
Light Parade May 6th, 2010, 11:42 AM It's too late for the Tories to stop it now. :)
You've lost me there. Shard is a privately-funded enterprise with a couple of major tenants signed up. How or why would the Tories stop it?
Whoever forms the next government will be slashing spending, so govt-funded capital projects (schools, hospitals, transport etc) will doubtless get cut. I can see problems for the non-Shard-dependent London Bridge Station redevlopment, but otherwise, onwards and upwards.
Xfire101 May 6th, 2010, 11:55 AM core rising again?? :)
No....come back in 10 days...
Cat man do May 6th, 2010, 12:01 PM ^^ I would say it would be pointless until TC1 is in place, its probably the last opportunity for a while that the other cranes will be able to reach the top.
Atmosphere May 6th, 2010, 12:33 PM No....come back in 10 days...
Well...they are pouring concrete into the core right NOW....(surprises me too). Maybe just a small rise just as a few weeks back.
Langur May 6th, 2010, 12:41 PM You've lost me there. Shard is a privately-funded enterprise with a couple of major tenants signed up. How or why would the Tories stop it?
Whoever forms the next government will be slashing spending, so govt-funded capital projects (schools, hospitals, transport etc) will doubtless get cut. I can see problems for the non-Shard-dependent London Bridge Station redevlopment, but otherwise, onwards and upwards.EH will be Tory voters to a man (or woman). It was Labour that allowed skyscrapers to be built in London again. It was John Prescott that over-ruled objections and allowed the Shard to go ahead (and Heron Tower, the Vauxhall Tower, etc etc). It was Ken Livingstone that encouraged developers to reach for the skies, suggesting the height increase for the Heron Tower to Gerald Ronson, and booking TFL into the Shard's office space (an essential pre-let). Boris hasn't been as bad as we feared, but he's still re-introduced protected viewing corridors that will stifle tower development in the few sites where they are allowed, and Cameron has vowed to offer greater "protection" to the Tower of London and other UNESCO sites in London (ie more restrictions on skyscrapers). Unlike some of you younger guys, I can clearly remember Virginia Bottomley, then the Tory heritage minister, answering questions in Parliament and confirming that the height limit on London buildings (I think 10 stories?) would be retained. That was in the late 90s, shortly before the Tories fell from power. The only reason we have these towers is because they've had political support. That's one of the big changes that came in under Labour and don't you forget it.
Cat man do May 6th, 2010, 12:49 PM Don't forget that Canary Wharf was a Margaret Thatcher's baby.
Langur May 6th, 2010, 12:53 PM ^ Yes the Tories don't mind skyscrapers out in Canary Wharf. But the Shard is in central London, and we wouldn't have those without Labour's political support. Ken and Prescott were both essential to the Shard.
If the Tories get in today, then don't expect any projects of the scale and ambition of the Shard to be approved during their term in office.
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 6th, 2010, 01:17 PM In other words,more votes for tories,more chance less stories
Great to see further floor steel erection
Cat man do May 6th, 2010, 01:58 PM Well we can't complain about the ones we did get, whodathough a supertall and another not far behind.
Xfire101 May 6th, 2010, 02:09 PM If the Tories get in today, then don't expect any projects of the scale and ambition of the Shard to be approved during their term in office.
The economy will stop any future Shard like buildings in London for the next 5yrs, far more effectively than any political party....
Atmosphere May 6th, 2010, 03:14 PM No....come back in 10 days...
^^ I would say it would be pointless until TC1 is in place, its probably the last opportunity for a while that the other cranes will be able to reach the top.
You guys, I don't know how to tell you this but.... the core actually IS rising today :gossip:
Officer Dibble May 6th, 2010, 04:47 PM If the Tories get in today, then don't expect any projects of the scale and ambition of the Shard to be approved during their term in office.
We're speculating, of course, but for what it's worth I think that's wrong. The Tories haven't said much about planning policy, but the drift of their housing policy (http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Where_we_stand/Housing.aspx) seems to be in the sort of deregulatory direction that I'd expect.
Also, the Tories are strong on defending green belt & rural areas; the natural corollary of that is to build up in cities.
And most skyscrapers are built for major corporations, which are just as crucial a stakeholder (if not more so) for the Tories than for Labour.
http://i39.tinypic.com/24bvhih.jpg
ben.hills83 May 6th, 2010, 05:50 PM can someone please post the links to the web cams as they seem to have left my desktop. thanks
Officer Dibble May 6th, 2010, 06:18 PM ^^
These are the ones I am aware so far, I am not sure if there is any other left.
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer120.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer64.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer81.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer30.jpg
This one just has a bit of shard on it
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer95.jpg
scalatrava89 May 6th, 2010, 06:18 PM can someone please post the links to the web cams as they seem to have left my desktop. thanks
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/s...amputer120.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer64.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer81.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer30.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer95.jpg
Or you could try this link - http://www.shardlondonbridge.com/ click visualisation and then live cams.
^^ Dam you Officer Dibble!!! haha
Turbosnail May 6th, 2010, 06:18 PM http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer81.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer64.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer120.jpg
essjaybee May 6th, 2010, 06:20 PM can someone please post the links to the web cams as they seem to have left my desktop. thanks
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer120.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer64.jpg
ben.hills83 May 6th, 2010, 06:28 PM good job guys some new ones i never had in there:)
Langur May 6th, 2010, 06:31 PM We're speculating, of course, but for what it's worth I think that's wrong. The Tories haven't said much about planning policy, but the drift of their housing policy (http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Where_we_stand/Housing.aspx) seems to be in the sort of deregulatory direction that I'd expect.They have said they will stiffen "protection" of London's UNESCO monuments such as the Tower and Westminster, which clearly means more restrictions on skyscrapers.Also, the Tories are strong on defending green belt & rural areas; the natural corollary of that is to build up in cities.Or rather it means neglecting cities.And most skyscrapers are built for major corporations, which are just as crucial a stakeholder (if not more so) for the Tories than for Labour.The Tories were more pro-business in the 80s than they are now, but they still banned skyscrapers in the City.
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 6th, 2010, 06:42 PM Regarding the SHARD,nope,it hasn't risen today.I've checked yesterday with today.
Atmosphere May 6th, 2010, 07:30 PM Regarding the SHARD,nope,it hasn't risen today.I've checked yesterday with today.
Yes is has.
I checked 2 webcam shots from today and you could see a very small rise already (then the webcam got stuck at 13.10 until now). You could clearly see the concrete pumps working. The have been in their 'rest' position for weeks but today they where erected.
You have to zoom in on 2 webcam shots to see it. Maybe the rise is only 3 pixels but it is rising. It's not the wind or movement from the cam itself because other elements in the picture are staying perfectly still.
We'll have to wait until the cams are working again to see a bigger difference.
ill tonkso May 6th, 2010, 07:35 PM They have said they will stiffen "protection" of London's UNESCO monuments such as the Tower and Westminster, which clearly means more restrictions on skyscrapers.Or rather it means neglecting cities.The Tories were more pro-business in the 80s than they are now, but they still banned skyscrapers in the City.
Tower 42 :sly:
lyonsdown 2.0 May 6th, 2010, 08:22 PM I can't imagine banning skyscrapers is really going to be at the top of any incoming governments list of things to do tbh.
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 6th, 2010, 11:33 PM Yes is has.
I checked 2 webcam shots from today and you could see a very small rise already (then the webcam got stuck at 13.10 until now). You could clearly see the concrete pumps working. The have been in their 'rest' position for weeks but today they where erected.
You have to zoom in on 2 webcam shots to see it. Maybe the rise is only 3 pixels but it is rising. It's not the wind or movement from the cam itself because other elements in the picture are staying perfectly still.
We'll have to wait until the cams are working again to see a bigger difference.
:lol: 3 pixels.Sorry.Yes,indeed it is stuck 1.10pm.
EDIT,just checked,and it has indeed moved up by about a foot.251 feet high then
scalatrava89 May 6th, 2010, 11:52 PM Why have all the cams stopped working? At a time like this too :bash:.
'Cybertect' we need your pictures!!!
Langur May 7th, 2010, 01:14 AM Tower 42 :sly:Tower 42 was controversial in its day for departing from previous restrictions. It started way back in 1970 and completed in 1980. That means the Tories had almost their entire Thatcher/Major reign to re-introduce a ban. There's no doubt that credit for our current skyscraper boom is owed to John Prescott and Ken Livingstone who gave consistent political backing to skyscraper proposals.
rhidian7 May 7th, 2010, 06:04 AM Are the cams still frozen for everyone, or is it just me?
Atmosphere May 7th, 2010, 06:22 AM Are the cams still frozen for everyone, or is it just me?
Nope not just you :(
Atmosphere May 7th, 2010, 06:24 AM Well this is kinda weird. I replied on your post but it appeared before cybertect post.
But the cams are still down.
cybertect May 7th, 2010, 07:02 AM The board is playing funny with time at the moment - may be something to do with time zones.
One of my posts made a minute after the one above was slotted in at 4:08 AM.
and this one was really posted at 13:02 BST.
s1lox May 7th, 2010, 12:06 PM Walked past this morning and yesterday you could only see half of the printed floor number 20 now you can see it all plus a clear gap above.
cybertect May 7th, 2010, 12:07 PM An update with some pics from yesterday lunch time.
Usual stuff... more pics and bigger versions available in my Shard Gallery (http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/v/architecture/london/shard).
Photographic note: I've been shooting in nothing but manual mode the last few days, with the assistance of a Sekonic light meter. Back to basics fun :) I'm fairly happy with the results - most of this is more or less as it came out of the camera with a little straightening up and some small contrast adjustments. It certainly makes getting a consistent result a lot easier.
That scaffolding work in the bus station has grown
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103328-2/20100506_0009.jpg
Round on Platform 1 of the railway station
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103322-2/20100506_0008.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103316-2/20100506_0003.jpg
Level 1 on Joiner Street
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103352-2/20100506_0013.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103370-2/20100506_0019.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103412-2/20100506_0032.jpg
St Thomas Street...
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103448-2/20100506_0043.jpg
with a little progress on the new levels steelwork on the right in the first of these three
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103454-2/20100506_0049.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103484-2/20100506_0063.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103550-2/20100506_0084.jpg
some tower crane action..
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103508-2/20100506_0070.jpg
delivering to this cantilevered platform that's appeared on the eastern side of the core
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103520-2/20100506_0074.jpg
and finally... a little close-up of that independently supported column that's the corner of the railway station shed
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103502-2/20100506_0067.jpg
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 7th, 2010, 12:44 PM Steel reached 33 metres now,broken 100 feet barrier.Core rising again,cool shots
rhidian7 May 7th, 2010, 01:04 PM Are the cams still frozen for everyone, or is it just me?
Atmosphere May 7th, 2010, 01:25 PM ^^ lol wdf all my replies on your post appear before your and cybertect posts....
So third try: No the cams are still down :)
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 8th, 2010, 10:14 AM All the cams are still stuck tut
Nihil Dicit May 8th, 2010, 11:10 AM I went past the site this morning and they were unloading a tower crane cab, presumably for the final crane on the core...
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/08May2010055.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/08May2010054.jpg
I also took this snap from around the back of the core.
Looks like they have started construction of another floor at ground / concourse level.
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/08May2010057.jpg
rickster2k May 8th, 2010, 11:24 AM Thanks Nihil. Maybe that's why the webcams are down (but I doubt it).
Another Terex Comedil. So not a Liebherr as was previously mentioned.
scalatrava89 May 8th, 2010, 03:22 PM It's a pain that the cams are still stuck, I bet they've stopped them on purpose, just as the core starts up again and the most important crane gets put in place.
More picture uploads would be good :).
Mikey May 8th, 2010, 05:03 PM Thanks for the pics! :)
nrm the 2nd May 8th, 2010, 06:22 PM Thanks Nihil. Maybe that's why the webcams are down (but I doubt it).
Another Terex Comedil. So not a Liebherr as was previously mentioned.
My apologise I heard wrong on that one, think early on it was planned by Select to be a Liebherr but never mind a cranes a crane and we now have 6 on this one project to get excited about
Cranesetc May 8th, 2010, 06:35 PM Tower crane being erected atop the core
http://www.cranesetc.co.uk/cranesetcphotos/shard080510a.jpg
http://www.cranesetc.co.uk/cranesetcphotos/shard080510b.jpg
http://www.cranesetc.co.uk/cranesetcphotos/shard080510c.jpg
Builders lift ready to slope up the side to the top
http://www.cranesetc.co.uk/cranesetcphotos/shard080510d.jpg
Edvvc May 8th, 2010, 07:00 PM http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4588972861_2538b47e3b.jpg
ill tonkso May 8th, 2010, 07:29 PM I can foresee this becoming one of the iconic views of the Shard, similar to 30 St Mary Axe and St Andrew Undershaft (the 1147 church). But instead of Medieval and Hyper-Modern we have the Victorian Industrious and the Hyper Modern.
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103550-2/20100506_0084.jpg
Great pics btw.
Edvvc May 8th, 2010, 07:36 PM In the absence of webcams, here's another scrappy shot showing progress on the core crane:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4589056905_4cb22d48c1.jpg
ill tonkso May 8th, 2010, 07:37 PM Where was that taken from? I took a similar photo from a train into Cannon Street a few weeks back.
Edvvc May 8th, 2010, 07:42 PM The photo was from the junction of Jamaica Road and Shad Thames
randolph May 8th, 2010, 10:02 PM I think one of the best views of the shard will be from the pedestrian walk way in More London one end perfectly frames one of the towers of Tower bridge and the other will perfectly frame the shard!:)
vank May 8th, 2010, 11:18 PM Is there a website where I can see this property prices?
Nihil Dicit May 9th, 2010, 11:18 AM A few pictures of the new addtion...
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/09May2010002.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/09May2010003.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/09May2010004.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/09May2010005.jpg
randolph May 9th, 2010, 12:34 PM ^^That first picture perfectly illustrates the clutter of cheap street furniture that people are complaining about in another thread!:)
ben.hills83 May 9th, 2010, 12:51 PM I saw the core/shard on tv for the first time this morning.
http://i40.tinypic.com/15q5dg3.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/65mic3.jpg
Complex May 9th, 2010, 02:01 PM I'm sorry I know there is a lot of negative posting and I'm generally against it but I think some people on this forum really need to get out more. ^^
Tell you what though you'll get a fantastic real life view from the train, between Elephant and Castle & Blackfriars, this will make a great shot beacuse you also have the all the new Southbank developments and the City backdrop :)
scalatrava89 May 9th, 2010, 02:38 PM ben.hills83 has done a good thing here. Posting pictures of the Shard (even if it's a TV shot) is a good thing :). And with the webcams still down, fans like me who don’t live in London, like to see the latest images of the construction.
Keep the pictures coming guys :), I feel lost without the webcams.
Nightjar May 9th, 2010, 02:58 PM I'm sorry I know there is a lot of negative posting and I'm generally against it but I think some people on this forum really need to get out more. ^^
Tell you what though you'll get a fantastic real life view from the train, between Elephant and Castle & Blackfriars, this will make a great shot beacuse you also have the all the new Southbank developments and the City backdrop :)
Honestly, what is the point of posting this?
You make an obnoxious comment about other people on this forum, then follow it with a vapid and fatuous remark about future views of the Shard - truly pathetic, and frankly, beneath contempt.
ben.hills83 May 9th, 2010, 03:58 PM [QUOTE=Complex;56594371]I'm sorry I know there is a lot of negative posting and I'm generally against it but I think some people on this forum really need to get out more. ^^
What are you talking about get out more ? what the hell do you know about me you fool? i saw the shard in the background of big ben thought i would post a quick snap of it seeing as this thread is about the shard and not about what people think other people should be doing in there spare time. Back to the shard what a postcard picture that will be when the shard is built.
JackM May 9th, 2010, 04:54 PM Alright, lets not turn this into a flame-war.
I think that angle on the TV will become more popular when the shard is completed, because it's going to be a bloody iconic building and inbetween the Big Ben and the London Eye, it will look great. It will be a nice contrast of old and new.
mulattokid May 9th, 2010, 04:56 PM ^^^^^ I have never seen that angle before...
Imagine the same view in a years time. Nice one ;)
ismail May 9th, 2010, 05:02 PM May be it's time that the Moderaters on this forum should consider removing, any posts which seem to insult another former, as soon as they are posted.
Otherwise what is happening is that threads are being derailed for pages and pages, while forumers exchange insults with each other.:bash:
OR
Could we just create a INSULTS thread, and all the slagging off exchanges can be moved there after the first 2 post!!!!
Complex May 9th, 2010, 05:07 PM Hyper sensitivity is contagious on this forum, anyone would think I just came round your houses and used your living room as a public toilet. So apologies, they're great images, well done. And yes maybe, my description of future views of the shard are stupid and fatuous although it is a real view so just go and check it out, or not, It doesn't really matter.
Complex May 9th, 2010, 05:19 PM Insult threads are possibly a good way of venting frustration, a virtual fight club?
Sorry if I offended ben.hills83 pics, all pics are welcome.
I think maybe what one person posts as a bit of a light-hearted jab is perceived as a full on hostile assault, there have been some really nasty exchanges over what amounts to just conflict of opinion.
When the Shard starts making more progress and the some comes out we'll feel a wee a bit more chippa.
Xfire101 May 9th, 2010, 05:32 PM So whats the story with the webcams?....
I'm not one to go for conspiracy theories but.......
JackM May 9th, 2010, 05:58 PM So whats the story with the webcams?....
I'm not one to go for conspiracy theories but.......
It is odd, but there has been progress since they were took down, so i wouldn't worry about that. :lol:
Complex May 9th, 2010, 06:01 PM It appears to be bright n sunny in central London today! Sun always shines in LBQ??
Cat man do May 9th, 2010, 06:24 PM Is there any kindof computer control between the cranes to help stop them crashing into each other. Looks incredibly crowded with all 6 of them.
Atmosphere May 9th, 2010, 09:10 PM So whats the story with the webcams?....
I'm not one to go for conspiracy theories but.......
Lol I lost count in how many times the cams have been down. This is not the first time :lol:. Sometimes they have been down for more than a week so who knows how long it's gonna take this time.
ashlar May 9th, 2010, 09:15 PM Is there any kindof computer control between the cranes to help stop them crashing into each other. Looks incredibly crowded with all 6 of them.
UK Health and Safety rules are very strict, so the London Bridge commuters ought to be ok...
Cat man do May 9th, 2010, 09:17 PM ^^ I'm sure but there may still be some degree of automation to help comply with H&S - was just wondering with 6 cranes swaying about you need some control.
lumberjack May 9th, 2010, 10:24 PM The Shard really will compliment a number of famous London landmarks - thanks Ben Hills for a great screen grab from SkyTV.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1047/4592548213_09606e7372_o.jpg
scalatrava89 May 9th, 2010, 10:44 PM Wow that's very impressive lumberjack, a great little render, and so fast. What software do you use for this?
Madman May 10th, 2010, 12:01 AM He's just pasted one of the lbt renders in photoshop onto a screen grab.
lumberjack May 10th, 2010, 12:04 AM Wow that's very impressive lumberjack, a great little render, and so fast. What software do you use for this?
Really simple just cut and paste using Photoshop CS3
chest May 10th, 2010, 12:09 AM http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/P1030218.JPG
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/P1030183.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/P1030181.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/colour2.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/P1030203.JPG
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/colour.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/colour4.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/P1030205.JPG
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/P1030208.JPG
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/colour3.jpg
scalatrava89 May 10th, 2010, 12:13 AM I see, that is simple. Great visualisation though, it's going to look the bee's, nothing like anything in the city. Who needs the The Burj Dubai!
Thanks for the uploads chest :).
The Spikey One May 10th, 2010, 09:24 AM Hi guys, I'm back although I've been following all your news whilst I've been on a bit of a sabbatical. You all have been getting bored while the guys have been messing about up at level 21.
Anyway, guess what. While I've been away the boys in the back office have been busy, produced god knows how many lever arch files full of numbers and decided to bolt a sodding great crane unto our lovely rig.
Pretty impressive bolts mind you, but I reckon she'll now drive like a ferrari with a roofrack. but who cares, we'll get there in the end. Must rush, I've got an appointment later at floor 72.
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 10th, 2010, 11:06 AM Haha,nice one Spikey! Nice pictures chest,like the reflective shots
JackM May 10th, 2010, 06:38 PM It's really coming along now! Does the steelwork speed up or slow down the higher it gets, because on one hand, theres less steel as the top floors are smaller, but on the other hand, it's more complicated working from 100+ metres in the air.
Cheers. :)
rickster2k May 10th, 2010, 08:38 PM Great update Mr Chest. That shot down More London is going to be one those iconic shots when this starts to rise again.
Can someone explain how the core crane will rise. I would have assumed that they would need a climbing section added to the crane beneath the deck to "slot" new sections into the tower as the core/slipform rises. I would have thought it would be unlikely that the crane would be bolted to the actual slipform as the weight in moving the crane along with core would be too large. I can't see a red climbing frame on the core crane which leads me to believe that they'll need this before they rise again, that or the sections will be slotted in inside the core out of sight.
Anyone (Spikey, Cransetc) care to explain?
capslock May 10th, 2010, 09:15 PM Can someone explain how the core crane will rise. I would have assumed that they would need a climbing section added to the crane beneath the deck to "slot" new sections into the tower as the core/slipform rises. I would have thought it would be unlikely that the crane would be bolted to the actual slipform as the weight in moving the crane along with core would be too large. I can't see a red climbing frame on the core crane which leads me to believe that they'll need this before they rise again, that or the sections will be slotted in inside the core out of sight.
Anyone (Spikey, Cransetc) care to explain?
Anyway, guess what. While I've been away the boys in the back office have been busy, produced god knows how many lever arch files full of numbers and decided to bolt a sodding great crane unto our lovely rig.
Pretty impressive bolts mind you, but I reckon she'll now drive like a ferrari with a roofrack. but who cares, we'll get there in the end
Does this not suggest an answer?
rockdoctor May 11th, 2010, 12:14 PM Is no-one going to comment on the fact that the core has grown by a couple of metres?
My office looks at the north side, and the number 20 was hidden by a low part of the slip-form until today - now it has a couple of metres of concrete showing above it.
On the other sides you must have loads of space above the 20.
tigerman May 11th, 2010, 12:19 PM Is no-one going to comment on the fact that the core has grown by a couple of metres?
My office looks at the north side, and the number 20 was hidden by a low part of the slip-form until today - now it has a couple of metres of concrete showing above it.
On the other sides you must have loads of space above the 20.
We cant comment on whats going on as we cant see anything because the cams are all frozen - good to hear though. Can you get us a pic?
rockdoctor May 11th, 2010, 12:36 PM We cant comment on whats going on as we cant see anything because the cams are all frozen - good to hear though. Can you get us a pic?
Sorry - I forgot how many of you are appreciating this building remotely:)
I'll try to remember to bring in a camera tomorrow and grab from snaps from the 11th floor (highest I have access to).
ben.hills83 May 11th, 2010, 01:54 PM What is going on with the cams, very frustrating.
The Spikey One May 11th, 2010, 02:40 PM Can someone explain how the core crane will rise. I would have assumed that they would need a climbing section added to the crane beneath the deck to "slot" new sections into the tower as the core/slipform rises. I would have thought it would be unlikely that the crane would be bolted to the actual slipform as the weight in moving the crane along with core would be too large. I can't see a red climbing frame on the core crane which leads me to believe that they'll need this before they rise again, that or the sections will be slotted in inside the core out of sight.
Anyone (Spikey, Cransetc) care to explain?
The crane is mounted on the slipform. Extra jacks have been added to take the additional weight. Engineeringly tricky but it works.
cybertect May 11th, 2010, 02:52 PM good to hear though. Can you get us a pic?
For those of doubting St Thomas Street... :)
state of play on the core about an hour ago
edit: I have some more pics to upload later
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103563-4/20100511_0017.jpg
cybertect May 11th, 2010, 03:00 PM Oh, and BTW, there's two new levels of steel on the station side of the site.
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Ciudad Bristol May 11th, 2010, 04:17 PM Around 2PM today:
These are the two new bits of steel on the north side.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/supertek/DSC00016-1.jpg
Borough viaduct works in the foreground.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/supertek/DSC00015-1.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/supertek/DSC00013.jpg
rockdoctor May 11th, 2010, 05:26 PM I just sat through a meeting for an hour where I had a direct view of the top of the Shard. The concrete arms were thrashing around all over the place, and the bottom half of the "21" stencil is now peeping out below the slipform on the western side.
CroydonTown May 11th, 2010, 05:44 PM Will the core be rising a significant amount, or is this just a short 'jump'? While the steelwork is racing up now, I thought it still had a ways to go before the cranes could be tied to it to allow the core to start rising properly again?
I'm glad that progress is now visible again, I guess the basement works are well on their way to completion. It certainly has silenced those who complained that nothing seemed to be happening!!
rockdoctor May 11th, 2010, 05:46 PM I guess the addition of the crane onto the core takes away the constraint of raising the other cranes - the core can now get anything it needs lifted to the top, while the other 5 cranes do all the lifting for the steelwork.
JackM May 11th, 2010, 07:16 PM Cool to think that at 22 floors, this thing is only about a third of its total height.
Atmosphere May 11th, 2010, 07:42 PM Oh, and BTW, there's two new levels of steel on the station side of the site.
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Two more new levels? Cause they were also starting two new levels before the cams went down.
Cat man do May 11th, 2010, 07:53 PM <<< I just sat through a meeting for an hour where I had a direct view of the top of the Shard. The concrete arms were thrashing around all over the place, and the bottom half of the "21" stencil is now peeping out below the slipform on the western side. >>
Did you get in trouble for looking out the window ;0)
rockdoctor May 11th, 2010, 08:06 PM <<< I just sat through a meeting for an hour where I had a direct view of the top of the Shard. The concrete arms were thrashing around all over the place, and the bottom half of the "21" stencil is now peeping out below the slipform on the western side. >>
Did you get in trouble for looking out the window ;0)
Nah, wasn't that kind of meeting. I actually pointed out to my boss the core was rising again.
Just before I left work the "21" was fully out from under the slipform. Could be a new floor there by tomorrow.
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 11th, 2010, 09:27 PM Cool to think that at 22 floors, this thing is only about a third of its total height.
No,its a quarter of it total height!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cybertect May 11th, 2010, 09:30 PM Two more new levels? Cause they were also starting two new levels before the cams went down.
Ah - you're right. My memory was playing tricks with me.
Atmosphere May 11th, 2010, 09:51 PM Ah - you're right. My memory was playing tricks with me.
Hehe, well anyways....
Come on with your pictures already! :D
JackM May 11th, 2010, 10:18 PM No,its a quarter of it total height!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wasn't sure how large the bottom floor was, oh well, it's still great. :lol:
cybertect May 11th, 2010, 11:46 PM Hehe, well anyways....
Come on with your pictures already! :D
The small matter of a change of government has had me somewhat distracted. :nuts:
Besides, even with my more streamlined workflow, there's lots of behind-the-scenes things to be done, like tagging and titling all the pics. Not glamorous, but it has to be done.
I'll have 'em up shortly.
Atmosphere May 11th, 2010, 11:59 PM The small matter of a change of government has had me somewhat distracted. :nuts:
Besides, even with my more streamlined workflow, there's lots of behind-the-scenes things to be done, like tagging and titling all the pics. Not glamorous, but it has to be done.
I'll have 'em up shortly.
Lol yeah I can understand that. It's even everywhere on the news here in Holland. Look forward to them!
cybertect May 12th, 2010, 12:32 AM Anyhow, here they are.
More and bigger in my ShardGallery (http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/v/architecture/london/shard/)
From More London, with the new crane
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103876-2/20100511_0006.jpg
Platform 1, London Bridge Station
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103846-2/20100511_0022.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103858-2/20100511_0013.jpg
London Bridge Street - the new scaffold is creeping round toward the pedestrian bridge
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103828-2/20100511_0027.jpg
Joiner Street Level 1 and Level 2
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103744-2/20100511_0047.jpg
Gate 1: Joiner Street/St Thomas Street
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103762-2/20100511_0043.jpg
St Thomas Street shaping up
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103780-2/20100511_0039.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103726-2/20100511_0052.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103678-2/20100511_0064.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103576-2/20100511_0100.jpg
St Thomas Street: The Hoist
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103672-2/20100511_0065.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103708-2/20100511_0056.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103618-2/20100511_0078.jpg
rda May 12th, 2010, 02:54 AM I had some time to kill going through London and finally got to see this thing live. It's big. And noisy. Lots going on on site - still truckloads of debris leaving site, so still digging somewhere.
Given recent lack of webcams I took some pics too - only to find that CyberTect was there an hour later and posted an hour earlier... These won't be as good, given the pocket camera, on full auto (haven't figured out how to use it right yet), on a gray day, but two updates must be better than none so here goes.
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000150m.jpg
From the bridge - last steel on the edge of these floors is going in.
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000160m.jpg
... same piece of steel still going in 20mins later (looked like some serious cuttting / grinding was going on to get it to fit)
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000145m.jpg
loading platform - the hoist is growing
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000149m.jpg
lots of work going on on floors 1 / 2
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000161m.jpg
through the plastic, blurrily. lots of concrete columns, and rebar going round some of the white ones (not sure I was expecting that)
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000154m.jpg
from thomas st.
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000157m.jpg
some serious steel under that loading platform now
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000158m.jpg
and the back of the frame looks very close to that floor above now - that would be the frame they cut down a bit ago, hmmm...
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000165m.jpg
door openings for floor 21 now visible on the core. Core crane was in action too.
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000167m.jpg
typical, you wait ages for a london bus shot and then three come at once...
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx176/londonpics_bucket/may2010/P1000172m.jpg
from over the river - cranes and more cranes
ill tonkso May 12th, 2010, 02:56 AM Thats a beast of a hoist...
Light Parade May 12th, 2010, 10:15 AM Great photos from Cybertect and RDA, manna after the parched conditions of the past few days. Good to see so much varied activity.
Couple of camera shots to bring down the tone:
I was at St George's Circus yesterday, and as you pick your way through all the barriers and traffic lights, you are rewarded with excellent views of Strata, Shard, Heron and (in due course) Pinnacle. Any other good "see everything" locations (excluding bridges) that close to the middle of town?
http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww14/lightparade1960/StGeorges.jpg
Later on, Regent Street, and some meaty steel.
http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww14/lightparade1960/RegentSt.jpg
No idea where is was going, mind you...
rockdoctor May 12th, 2010, 10:38 AM Core rose another couple of metres overnight - the "21" stencil is now roughly 2m below the base of the slipform.
Light Parade May 12th, 2010, 11:39 AM Cams are coming back!!
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer81.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer120.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer95.jpg
Sadly the aerial shot from Guys is still last week's. But you can see the soar on #81.
ben.hills83 May 12th, 2010, 11:46 AM [QUOTE=Light Parade;56763163]Cams are coming back!!
Still not working for me
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 12th, 2010, 12:02 PM Yes,working bar overhead and east cam.
The current demolition progress of LBH can be seen here:
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer95.jpg
wjfox May 12th, 2010, 01:03 PM I was at St George's Circus yesterday, and as you pick your way through all the barriers and traffic lights, you are rewarded with excellent views of Strata, Shard, Heron and (in due course) Pinnacle. Any other good "see everything" locations (excluding bridges) that close to the middle of town?
http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww14/lightparade1960/StGeorges.jpg
Yes, it's even better if you take a 176 bus. I will try to get a pic.
jarkti May 12th, 2010, 01:12 PM Is the crane in the core? :/
not sure if its my eyes or what but yeah??
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer81.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer120.jpg
tigerman May 12th, 2010, 02:27 PM ^^
Yes there is a new crane on the core - look back a couple of pages for details.
jarkti May 12th, 2010, 03:04 PM ^^
Yes there is a new crane on the core - look back a couple of pages for details.
ahh, skipping pages is the devil!
ben.hills83 May 12th, 2010, 06:25 PM Great to have some of the cams back :) so can we expect the core to grow like it did in phase1 ? if so very exciting times, its going to take over the skyline soon. I should be going to the city this weekend i will try get some shots from the m11 if its visible yet, i think the core would have to outgrow guys first for it to be visible but i will keep a look out for it .
Atmosphere May 12th, 2010, 06:35 PM Finally! Only the best cam, cam64 has yet to go up but I hope that it will happen soon.
And to see the progress on the steel and core:
http://www.spacy.me/forum/shard12may.gif
ben.hills83 May 12th, 2010, 07:19 PM Atmosphere how do i do that with my pics ?
Atmosphere May 12th, 2010, 07:53 PM Atmosphere how do i do that with my pics ?
I just use photoshop for small GIF's like these and some special programs like FrameByFrame (only for mac I believe) to make a movie file for bigger animations. Just look up some tutorials on youtube. Making a small GIF is super easy in photoshop.
paprys81 May 12th, 2010, 08:20 PM this one doesn't work as well :/ dunno why!
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer64.jpg
Gherkin May 12th, 2010, 08:24 PM If they're using a top secret construction technique on the roof it seems quite reasonable to freeze the webcam ;)
Atmosphere May 12th, 2010, 08:25 PM this one doesn't work as well :/ dunno why!
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer64.jpg
Has been down for almost a week now ^^ Check a few pages back.
paprys81 May 12th, 2010, 08:29 PM ^^ I know that ;) I'm just new in this thread and I had no time at all to look back... sorry about that :)
I will try to make some animation as well, because I was collecting the pics since almost one month! I just need to get some time on one of my busy days (A-levels exams coming up)...
Atmosphere May 12th, 2010, 08:36 PM ^^ I know that ;) I'm just new in this thread and I had no time at all to look back... sorry about that :)
I will try to make some animation as well, because I was collecting the pics since almost one month! I just need to get some time on one of my busy days :]
really? because I was just about to post this animations since a long time :D
From webcam shots or photo's? (that would be awesome) Well anyway here is it:
The quality is still a bit bad, maybe I will use Vimeo next time.
IEBR6MNYKX0
paprys81 May 12th, 2010, 08:44 PM ^^ webcam shots... but you doin' that since september :nuts: I got pics from 3 different webcams (only 26 from every single one) :P
I just wanted to make exactly same looking animation like you did :D
Atmosphere May 12th, 2010, 08:50 PM ^^ webcam shots... but you doin' that since september :nuts: I got pics from 3 different webcams (only 26 from every single one) :P
I just wanted to make exactly same looking animation like you did :D
Yes I have a huge photoshop file with more than 100 images :D But if you could find a way to get better quality animations your more than welcome ofcourse!
gegloma01 May 12th, 2010, 08:52 PM ^^ Great.
r-g-b May 12th, 2010, 08:59 PM Its easily visible for m Parliament Hill Fields, the views pretty spectacular now, in 2012 its going to be amazing.
If the Bishopsgate goods yard projects ever get off the ground the city and the Wharf will seem like one skyline due to the perspective. :)
ben.hills83 May 12th, 2010, 09:08 PM Thanks Atmosphere, first go at this so hope it works :)
http://i39.tinypic.com/4py5c8.gif
paprys81 May 12th, 2010, 09:17 PM Yes I have a huge photoshop file with more than 100 images :D But if you could find a way to get better quality animations your more than welcome ofcourse!
unfortunatelly, it doesn't depends on us (webcam users), just on webcam as a electronic device I guess. We can probably do nothing unless they would replace it with better-quality webcam. I just heard that some people using their computer skills, programs and tricks can make better quality from really poor pics by imposing 2 or 3 identical pictures on themselves, but I have no idea how that actually works, just heard about it :(
isn't that great looking view? :D
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/456/camputer95.jpg
little notice: time that this webcam showing is wrong (should be 19:50)
Atmosphere May 12th, 2010, 11:26 PM unfortunatelly, it doesn't depends on us (webcam users), just on webcam as a electronic device I guess. We can probably do nothing unless they would replace it with better-quality webcam. I just heard that some people using their computer skills, programs and tricks can make better quality from really poor pics by imposing 2 or 3 identical pictures on themselves, but I have no idea how that actually works, just heard about it :(
Yes the cams are crap too but I meant my youtube movie. The quality of that movie is even more dramatic than the webcam shots. Problem is that a GIF with more than 100 images is going to take a while to load. But I will try it later with Vimeo instead of youtube because my original movie looks OK, but after loading it up to youtube it looks crap!
rockdoctor May 13th, 2010, 10:17 AM The stencilled "22" is now gleaming in the sunshine, the slipform having risen another few metres overnight. New angled outer steels are being put up on the new floors on the south side. Whole site looks very busy this morning.
Pendle May 13th, 2010, 12:08 PM Ben Hills, that animation in amazing. Thanks alot. Can't believe how much progress in just the last week.
large May 13th, 2010, 12:24 PM Finally! Only the best cam, cam64 has yet to go up but I hope that it will happen soon.
And to see the progress on the steel and core:
http://www.spacy.me/forum/shard12may.gif
That is awesome! Funny how the weather is exactly the same a week later...grey and dull.
plumma May 13th, 2010, 12:30 PM Just think if Kevin McCloud had done a Grand Designs documentary on the shard, how brilliant would that have been !!!
rhidian7 May 13th, 2010, 12:31 PM Just think if Kevin McCloud had done a Grand Designs documentary on the shard, how brilliant would that have been !!!
Maybe he is...;)
nauticat May 13th, 2010, 12:56 PM Up she rises again
Last week
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4577422913_380b658023.jpg
Today
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4603101907_8d8957f5eb.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1162/4603102063_559b4c7563.jpg
Whittonstall May 13th, 2010, 02:04 PM ^^The rise in the core looks more pronounced than it actually is in the first 2 shots because of the neighbouring demolition. Still good progress though. Nice to see it heading up again.
Pompey77 May 13th, 2010, 02:14 PM Maybe he is...;)
Someone should be.
Xfire101 May 13th, 2010, 03:58 PM This overhead web cam being out of action is seriously beginning to piss me off now...
s1lox May 13th, 2010, 04:20 PM http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/99811387.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1273761845&Signature=7h1QQKW9aQYoVXRDh13UlmSrYSI%3D
A quick iphone picture from this morning (sorry about quality)
rockdoctor May 13th, 2010, 05:00 PM Another foot and the 23 will be visible. Still an hour before I go home....
nezzybaby May 13th, 2010, 07:03 PM Just think if Kevin McCloud had done a Grand Designs documentary on the shard, how brilliant would that have been !!!
It would have been an absolute nightmare, the guys a jinx, I've never seen a single grand designs episode where the project has been within a year of it's designed construction timeline, and they're always more than double the designed price.
Donkfest1 May 13th, 2010, 08:17 PM really? because I was just about to post this animations since a long time :D
From webcam shots or photo's? (that would be awesome) Well anyway here is it:
The quality is still a bit bad, maybe I will use Vimeo next time.
IEBR6MNYKX0
Excellent - thanks. Almost as fascinating is the demolition and the unveiling of the shroud- I think someone on this thread referred to a "white shroud of death" during the demolition of Southwark Towers.
cybertect May 13th, 2010, 10:09 PM A teaser. More later... :)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4604877924_99e45aa2c1_o.jpg
SE9 May 13th, 2010, 11:12 PM But we want more now! :(
;)
SE9 May 13th, 2010, 11:14 PM A few shots from South East.
Note the emerging shape of the Shard's steelwork. :cool:
http://i40.tinypic.com/29gd5kg.jpg
Closer:
http://i39.tinypic.com/f1f7tx.jpg
In relation to the main cluster:
http://i42.tinypic.com/xc390y.jpg
jonnyboy May 13th, 2010, 11:19 PM oh lordy! at last u can really see its shape forming! fantastic!
JackM May 13th, 2010, 11:20 PM Great photo's in that light. The Shard will really stretch the skyline out a bit. :)
Pendle May 13th, 2010, 11:28 PM Is it me or does it seem as though the steelwork in SE9's picture would taper to a point long before it reaches 310m? It's almost as if the steelwork is too thin and the gradient of its slope is too steep so that it would reach a point at only twice the current height or something. Or is that we can only see some of the inner steelwork and not the outer shell in your photos, SE9?
jonnyboy May 13th, 2010, 11:29 PM yup i thort that too
SE9 May 13th, 2010, 11:42 PM Is it me or does it seem as though the steelwork in SE9's picture would taper to a point long before it reaches 310m? It's almost as if the steelwork is too thin and the gradient of its slope is too steep so that it would reach a point at only twice the current height or something. Or is that we can only see some of the inner steelwork and not the outer shell in your photos, SE9?
It is the 'outer' steelwork. It will reach 310m; it just shows how slim and elegant the tower will appear on the skyline (which is one reason I prefer it to the Pinnacle).
scalatrava89 May 13th, 2010, 11:53 PM Great pictures SE9, where were they taken from? Pinnacle or Shard Pinnacle or Shard!! that's tricky :lol:.
ben.hills83 May 14th, 2010, 12:23 AM Love the third pic :) great job .
JackM May 14th, 2010, 12:32 AM heh, i think it's tricky to decide between the two, they both offer completely different things to the plate. The pinnacle has the best designs in terms of modern architecture, but the Shard has a simplistic beauty about it. Plus the Pinnacle will be a great addition to the cluster, making it look much much greater, but the Shard is great how it expands the skyline and stands out on its own.
I can't really decide. :lol:
cybertect May 14th, 2010, 01:37 AM Time for the rest of yesterday's tour, mostly with just the 70-200 lens, as I couldn't be arsed to change lenses and was enjoying myself :D
Obligatory note: more pics in my Shard Gallery (http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/v/architecture/london/shard)
St Thomas Street
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103918-2/20100513_0020.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103924-2/20100513_0021.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103930-2/20100513_0024.jpg
I hadn't noticed these concrete columns adjacent to the station before, seen here from Gate 2
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103972-2/20100513_0031.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103948-2/20100513_0027.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103954-2/20100513_0028.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103978-2/20100513_0032.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/103996-2/20100513_0036.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/104008-2/20100513_0039.jpg
London Bridge Street
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/104026-2/20100513_0044.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/104038-2/20100513_0046.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/104044-2/20100513_0047.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/104056-2/20100513_0051.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/104014-2/20100513_0040.jpg
Joiner Street, Level 2
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/104020-2/20100513_0042.jpg
London Bridge Station
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/104140-2/20100513_0072.jpg
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/d/104116-2/20100513_0067.jpg
gorgu May 14th, 2010, 01:50 AM there were plans for london bridge station to get a revamp is that still the case?
rockdoctor May 14th, 2010, 09:36 AM Shard is 23 (floors) this morning, with a metre or so of new concrete between stencil and slipform. Still growing...
Forb Noj May 14th, 2010, 09:38 AM Hi everyone. Great progress. As cybertect, chest et al have all contributed some fabulous photos I thought I would draw your attention to this free charity photo competition just launched in aid of Fight for Sight. Its looking for people's favourite photo of London and I suspect yours would stand out against the usual photos of Big Ben etc!!!
A worthy cause and you never know... you may win.
http://myviewoflondon.org.uk/ :cheers1:
cybertect May 14th, 2010, 11:51 AM Hopefully this won't breach any forum rules about spam... :)
Thought I'd just mention that I have had a couple of my pics of The Shard published in a special issue of Japan Architect a+u magazine dedicated to Renzo Piano's buildings since 1989. :banana:
http://www.shinkenchiku.net/shop_e/items/index.php?book_code=411005
http://www.shinkenchiku.net/Project_Root/AUE00011751/cover/AUE00011751_cover.jpg
There are twelve pages dedicated to the London Bridge Tower. If you happen to be reading a copy, you'll find my photos on page 190.
I should thank the guys at Renzo Piano's office for suggesting their inclusion.
CroydonTown May 14th, 2010, 12:44 PM Cybertect's first photo really shows that, as promised, the steelwork is now racing up! Thanks for all your contributions, cybertect, this lurker has really appreciated them over the past few months! And many congrats on getting your photos published - fully deserved.
.Adam May 14th, 2010, 12:46 PM Congratulations Cybertect! I shall pop down to Selfridges this afternoon to pick up a copy.
Goldfinch May 14th, 2010, 12:54 PM Just thinking about the view from 800 feet up, the horizon will be 35 miles away, the area visible will be far larger than the official Greater London and will encompass over 3700 square miles including the homes of about a sixth of the UK population. I know this isn't entirely accurate because of course the North Downs at 800 feet will cut off the view in the Kent direction, and the view past the Canary Wharf buildings and the City will be obstructed, but even so that's a lot of territory ...
chest May 14th, 2010, 02:21 PM a future picture SE9 might take in about a couple of years time
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/18MONTH.jpg
trust453 May 14th, 2010, 02:35 PM ^^^^
Nice render there, shame the pinnacle blocks the view of tower 42 though. Hurry up 2012 :D
wjfox May 14th, 2010, 02:58 PM Fantastic rendering Chest! :cool:
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 14th, 2010, 03:05 PM Wow,was hoping somebody would create that render!
And T42 will be visible from a slightly different position south of course,so dont worry.What a skyscraper city!
Good ole cybertext! (and se9) And thanks for showing those floor numbers !
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scalatrava89 May 14th, 2010, 03:06 PM Looks like chest's borrowed the tardis again :lol:. You predict that the re-clad of Guy’s tower will go ahead then? I hope it will, they are being tight with money at the moment.
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 14th, 2010, 03:24 PM I think Guys looks okay anyway in a concrety kind of way.But i do think it could do with some neon lettering on the top spelling <<tallest hospital in the world>>
I like your Beetham,BTW,scalatrava
Pennypacker May 14th, 2010, 06:18 PM But i do think it could do with some neon lettering on the top spelling <<tallest hospital in the world>>
Not according to Emporis:
http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/sk/st/tp/ty/hs/
Newcastle Guy May 14th, 2010, 06:41 PM Not according to Emporis:
http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/sk/st/tp/ty/hs/
I think that's to spire. We don't like spires 'round these here parts :lol:
SkyscraperSuperman May 14th, 2010, 06:41 PM As far as I know, it is the tallest all-hospital building in the world.
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 14th, 2010, 06:42 PM Shard core is now at approx 300 feet/91 metres,judging by this.
http://planningonline.southwarksites.com/planningonline2/DocsOnline/Documents/50966_1.pdf
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Edvvc May 14th, 2010, 06:44 PM Look at the Guy's Hospital page of Emporis (http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=building&lng=3&id=guystower-london-unitedkingdom) - it says under the Facts section, "This is the world's tallest hospital."
harryposter May 14th, 2010, 06:54 PM Breaking News: the core is now seen rising again for the first time since March, at last! :nuts:
Today (14 May 2010), taken this morning from home in Wapping:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4606951476_90975a02fe_b.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1242/4606343091_5d326b2cd7_b.jpg
A while ago and a couple of storeys below, on 4 March 2010:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4406240200_63a3ae81d6_b.jpg
jonnyboy May 14th, 2010, 09:59 PM wow the arial cam is back on.........and its looking HUGE!!!!!!
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer64.jpg
jonnyboy May 14th, 2010, 10:02 PM and look at all the workers busy....working!
how long till this cam becomes pointless?
nearly 10pm and still at it!
Xfire101 May 14th, 2010, 10:52 PM wow the arial cam is back on.........and its looking HUGE!!!!!!
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer64.jpg
not for me it isnt....still dated 6/5/10.....
wjfox May 14th, 2010, 10:55 PM http://i43.tinypic.com/241pnvt.jpg
rickster2k May 14th, 2010, 11:02 PM ^ Yah - about time!
Newcastle Guy May 15th, 2010, 12:05 AM http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1242/4606343091_5d326b2cd7_b.jpg
Thanks for the pics! I especially like this one, good to see it rising over Tower Bridge.
Skyscrapercarazeeee May 15th, 2010, 09:17 AM Been saving overhead cams since dec 2009,looks like a see-saw act going on between shard and LBH hehe. Looks proper high as it heads toward the 100 metre mark
CAM5 from east is back on,looks raised to accomodate the completed height
wjfox May 15th, 2010, 10:17 AM http://i42.tinypic.com/fpazkj.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/xkyk51.jpg
Horizon911 May 15th, 2010, 10:20 AM ....just what I was about to do!
The cams will have to be moved a bit soon as the core will soon go beyond their site. Now it's up, up and away and no more delays.
wjfox May 15th, 2010, 10:23 AM For those who don't know, I made a Twitter page for the Shard. You can follow it here -
http://twitter.com/LondonShard
Nihil Dicit May 15th, 2010, 11:06 AM Up to floor 24...
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/15May2010019.jpg
Frankus Maximus May 15th, 2010, 11:13 AM The core rising again, this is getting exciting - 24 floors = 90m!
Nihil Dicit May 15th, 2010, 11:48 AM The shard now looming into view over More London.
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/15May2010015.jpg
Floor 24 and counting...
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/15May2010026.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/15May2010018.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/15May2010021.jpg
A close-up of the new floors going in at ground level.
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/15May2010023.jpg
I'm wondering whether these "rails" are going to be used to hang or support the cladding.
Can any of the Shard insiders shed any light on this?
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/15May2010024.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/15May2010025.jpg
Light Parade May 15th, 2010, 12:35 PM Nice photos - 2 weeks until Shard is taller than the right-hand block at Guys?
The 10,000th Shard post is due on this page!
BorderBoy May 15th, 2010, 01:16 PM It would be nice to have a countdown somewhere between now and when this is the tallest structure in UK - not too long I guess? :banana:
CroydonTown May 15th, 2010, 01:26 PM It's so nice to see this rising again, and the steelwork really starting to bulk the whole thing out.
....just what I was about to do!
The cams will have to be moved a bit soon as the core will soon go beyond their site. Now it's up, up and away and no more delays.
Will the core have to be stopped again in future, or will it rise pretty continuously now until it reached full height?
CroydonTown May 15th, 2010, 01:27 PM Oh, and this thread has reached 500 pages, another landmark to celebrate!!
Jex7844 May 15th, 2010, 01:53 PM My goodness me, the core has risen significantly in the last 4/5 days! :) Amazing! They seem to speed things up now...
vank May 15th, 2010, 07:17 PM Nice!
Will they demolish that grey building? It's so ugly!
mulattokid May 15th, 2010, 07:28 PM ^^^ Its a hospital if you want to look back a bit at this thread.
It was due for a reclad, but this is very very unlikely now, and prioritywise I would have to agree with that decision.
NewToBuilding May 15th, 2010, 08:40 PM Hi everyone,
This is a great forum, it has taken me ages to read all of the posts and get up to date.
Keep up the good work, some of the photo's on here are superb.
Cheers
:cheers:
Jex7844 May 15th, 2010, 08:57 PM Nice!
Will they demolish that grey building? It's so ugly!
:lol::lol::lol: I happened to ask this question a few months ago and I remember being told off kindly...:lol::lol::lol:
Ever since, I 've learned the lesson well: "we cannot take down that ugly grey building as it's the highest hospital in the world!!!" :).
scalatrava89 May 15th, 2010, 09:04 PM ^^^ Its a hospital if you want to look back a bit at this thread.
It was due for a reclad, but this is very very unlikely now, and prioritywise I would have to agree with that decision.
Money is still very tight. Even though the renders for Guys looked good, I'm glad that it's not going to be reclad, (at least not any time soon) it will make a great contrast with the completed Shard.
london lad May 15th, 2010, 09:17 PM ^^^ Its a hospital if you want to look back a bit at this thread.
It was due for a reclad, but this is very very unlikely now, and prioritywise I would have to agree with that decision.
The GST Trust have quite a few plans for both Guys & St Thomas's for the coming years that are going ahead, regardless of the recent election.
NewToBuilding May 15th, 2010, 09:31 PM Reading about how the basement was done is just astounding to me, and the big concrete pour is amazing.
I'm curious as to how many man hours it will take from start to finish on the construction of the Shard.
jonnyboy May 15th, 2010, 10:15 PM yay
jonnyboy May 15th, 2010, 10:16 PM 5000
jonnyboy May 15th, 2010, 10:16 PM is
jonnyboy May 15th, 2010, 10:17 PM exciting
jonnyboy May 15th, 2010, 10:17 PM and
jonnyboy May 15th, 2010, 10:18 PM sorry 4 having had too many champagnes !
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