Shardview77
November 14th, 2010, 11:11 AM
I walked past Guy's yesterday and noticed that the existing cladding seems to be crumbling in several places, so maybe the re-clad is a necessity rather than driven by aesthetics?
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Shardview77 November 14th, 2010, 11:11 AM I walked past Guy's yesterday and noticed that the existing cladding seems to be crumbling in several places, so maybe the re-clad is a necessity rather than driven by aesthetics? AUTOTHRILL November 14th, 2010, 11:24 AM I used to hate guys, but now I honestly love it. It has a certain old charm to it... It will be universally liked in time I think. Skydoggy November 14th, 2010, 11:32 AM I walked past Guy's yesterday and noticed that the existing cladding seems to be crumbling in several places, so maybe the re-clad is a necessity rather than driven by aesthetics? You are quite correct. It is being driven by necessity more than anything else. The concrete cladding is in very poor condition and is being continually monitored. I know one of the management team in the St.Thomas & Guys NHS Trust and it may be this recladding might start sooner than we think. Apparently it is regarded as an urgent matter, but like everything it comes down to money. The aesthetics of it being next to The Shard is very much a secondary consideration. Possibly it might make them a little more daring with it than they might have been otherwise! RobitTV November 14th, 2010, 01:02 PM http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/shard/camputer95.jpg Another British Rainy day.... Borromini's Ghost November 14th, 2010, 04:21 PM I LIKE one London Bridge, but the manure in front of Southwark Cathedral needs to come down, and the space opened up. Spot on. It's a disgrace that Southwark Cathedral is hidden by so much dross. Hopefully one day it will be opened up :) adschi November 14th, 2010, 04:52 PM it really is starting to look like a SUPERTALL in those pictures above mouldss@hotmail.co.u November 14th, 2010, 05:04 PM http://www.flickr.com/photos/55813958@N02/5175272940/ mock up of shard near finished . mouldss@hotmail.co.u November 14th, 2010, 05:05 PM <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/55813958@N02/5175272940/" title="1234shard by dkqwertyuiop946, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/5175272940_34787ed35c.jpg" width="342" height="500" alt="1234shard" /></a> Gherkin November 14th, 2010, 05:11 PM ^ nice one! _Dilettante November 14th, 2010, 05:13 PM I dont know if they've changed the design since the render from the first page, assuming it hasn't been changed, it's really slightly dissapointing how it's turning out. Yes it hasnt finished. Yes it still looks nice, just not as nice as the render :( ferge November 14th, 2010, 05:20 PM I see where you're coming from, and I'm going to stand in your corner before the hoards of people come to get you :P I think it is due to the cladding being so minimal in detailing, very simplistic. Up close, as beautiful as it is, it is a little plain. However, this is necessary to give that unified, 'shard' like appearance on the skyline and I must say the most recent shots are truly awe-inspiring. I think, even with the amount of progress so far, that is difficult to acknowledge the final form of the tapers and slices of cladding. I think it will have few critics, even from the most ardent of EH-style commentators. RobitTV November 14th, 2010, 06:20 PM WOW! That was a great picture of the Shard nearly fully completed Madman November 14th, 2010, 06:45 PM I dont know if they've changed the design since the render from the first page, assuming it hasn't been changed, it's really slightly dissapointing how it's turning out. Yes it hasnt finished. Yes it still looks nice, just not as nice as the render :( That is perhaps more the fault of rendering nowadays than the quality of the building. In the old days architects use to sketch buildings to give an impression to the client/public, or commission a detailed watercolour - both were clearly indicative of the proposal and both parties understood they wouldn't expect an exact reality. With computer rendering, reality and impressions have blurred and though the design team still see them as indicative of an proposal I've noticed the increasing disparity between them and clients and the public who see them as essentially identical to what shall be built...including the permenant wide angled lense view, eternal sunshine, a beautiful public of suited business people and models.... jimbo November 14th, 2010, 06:49 PM core seems to have leapt a tad recently. The view of St Pauls is stupendous. Almost like Southwark is answered the City's skyscrapers with the Shard. AUTOTHRILL November 15th, 2010, 01:35 AM Brilliant mockup! Did you make that yourself moulds? chest November 15th, 2010, 01:51 AM http://web.me.com/benveasey/IMG_0679.jpg Bowater November 15th, 2010, 03:17 AM I dont know if they've changed the design since the render from the first page, assuming it hasn't been changed, it's really slightly dissapointing how it's turning out. Yes it hasnt finished. Yes it still looks nice, just not as nice as the render :( Learn how to spell 'disappointing' Grrrr! However as for your actual point I think it's necessary to wait and see, that's not to say you will be proved right. ill tonkso November 15th, 2010, 08:22 AM Seriously bad blackberry pic in the rain last monday. Taken from the Portsmouth Fast-Train around Vauxhall way. Might try and snap a better one today. http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8599/badpicfromvauxhall.jpg rickster2k November 15th, 2010, 08:52 AM A photo is still a photo ill tonkso. Interesting angle. Madman November 15th, 2010, 12:26 PM I was surprised how large LBT looks like from the bus stops outside Waterloo Station by the IMAX, really towers over the area already. On another note beautiful picture Chest, you have a skill with the camera lens that few of us could ever possess... googledpeakoil November 15th, 2010, 12:44 PM Spot on. It's a disgrace that Southwark Cathedral is hidden by so much dross. Hopefully one day it will be opened up :) The glass I think can look really good, or pretty poor depending on wether it's reflecting the sky or looking transparent. When it's transparent it's worse and those white sheets we're seeing through the windows that come up to chest height on floors x-30 make it worse. I assume they're construction related - to protect the glass. Once they're taken down it'll be better. Turbosnail November 15th, 2010, 01:17 PM http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1235/5178264098_d08bc84ef0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepgreen2009/5178264098/) P1060069 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepgreen2009/5178264098/) by Deepgreen2009 (http://www.flickr.com/people/deepgreen2009/), on Flickr bertyboy November 15th, 2010, 01:20 PM Wow. Cold air + Inversion Layer = Good, old-fashioned London smog! dreadathecontrols November 15th, 2010, 01:42 PM that mbt post is a classic.... ChrisCwmbran November 15th, 2010, 01:52 PM that mbt post is a classic.... I actually thought it was a much better post than some of the others we have seen on this forum over the past few weeks! Anonymous-scraperfan November 15th, 2010, 01:53 PM Looks like they have already started cladding on the east side next to the backpack of the shard. Should have seen that coming. bertyboy November 15th, 2010, 01:58 PM that mbt post is a classic.... I now know where to go for sandals, shoes and pandas. anthonySE1 November 15th, 2010, 02:03 PM http://i51.tinypic.com/1z3nqk7.jpg mouldss@hotmail.co.u November 15th, 2010, 02:20 PM Brilliant mockup! Did you make that yourself moulds? Thanks. Yes, only produced it on basic paint application. ajaaronjoe November 15th, 2010, 02:39 PM Thanks Turbosnail I love the pic, Shard looks so massive rockdoctor November 15th, 2010, 02:42 PM Floor number 63 now peeking out the bottom of the slipform. rockdoctor November 15th, 2010, 05:09 PM Floor number 63 now peeking out the bottom of the slipform. Not long later - and the numbers are fully exposed. mouldss@hotmail.co.u November 15th, 2010, 05:18 PM http://www.flickr.com/photos/55813958@N02/5178481585/ competition North Korea DawsonHart November 15th, 2010, 05:26 PM Appreciate this link has been up before but I assume if it's still accurate then we're just touching 217metres? http://planningonline.southwarksites.com/planningonline2/DocsOnline/Documents/50966_1.pdf Onwards November 15th, 2010, 05:49 PM That is perhaps more the fault of rendering nowadays than the quality of the building. In the old days architects use to sketch buildings to give an impression to the client/public, or commission a detailed watercolour - both were clearly indicative of the proposal and both parties understood they wouldn't expect an exact reality. With computer rendering, reality and impressions have blurred and though the design team still see them as indicative of an proposal I've noticed the increasing disparity between them and clients and the public who see them as essentially identical to what shall be built...including the permenant wide angled lense view, eternal sunshine, a beautiful public of suited business people and models.... I think another issue is that the glass has a green quality to it whereas the renders showed pictures ranging from a purple tone, to a blue steel colour. A few had green but not many and I think that this disconnect can affect the impression of a finished building vis a render. But in these things it is best to treat the renders with some caution and await the final construction with fit out etc... bertyboy November 15th, 2010, 05:52 PM http://www.flickr.com/photos/55813958@N02/5178481585/ competition North Korea Do keep up, mouldss@hotmail.co.u!! :) (Great user name, BTW!) tomb123 November 15th, 2010, 07:32 PM I think another issue is that the glass has a green quality to it whereas the renders showed pictures ranging from a purple tone, to a blue steel colour. A few had green but not many and I think that this disconnect can affect the impression of a finished building vis a render. But in these things it is best to treat the renders with some caution and await the final construction with fit out etc... Yeah I was thinking that. The only thing inside it at the moment is dingy concrete and metal, but I would assume that when the building is fitted out with painted walls and furniture and things (and the weather is a bit better) it will look a lot closer to the renders. Skyscrapercarazeeee November 15th, 2010, 07:37 PM Appreciate this link has been up before but I assume if it's still accurate then we're just touching 217metres? http://planningonline.southwarksites.com/planningonline2/DocsOnline/Documents/50966_1.pdf Yep thats correct,218 metres,so just another 17 metres to equal 1 Canada square! adschi November 15th, 2010, 07:45 PM I wonder if they will have 235m printed in big blue letters on the core to mark the latest milestone :) The Shard Baby November 15th, 2010, 08:39 PM So the core will have 1 metre 30 centimetres above Canary Wharf poking out under the 8 metre tall core box (i'm a height geek now i have that link to that website). :lol: AUTOTHRILL November 15th, 2010, 08:42 PM Stunning Chest! I want your photography skills... do you control the weather?! ;) bertyboy November 15th, 2010, 08:44 PM Stunning Chest! Where?!? :nuts: Supertall Robbo November 15th, 2010, 08:53 PM http://www.flickr.com/photos/55813958@N02/5178481585/ competition North Korea :puke: there was some strange sort of smog today, beautiful sky but really cold and not much visibility. couldn't see the shard where i usually see it from adschi November 15th, 2010, 08:55 PM So the core will have 1 metre 30 centimetres above Torchwood tower poking out under the 8 metre tall core box (i'm a height geek now i have that link to that website). :lol: "Torchwood Tower" ??? What? The Shard Baby November 15th, 2010, 09:18 PM i mean canary wharf adschi November 15th, 2010, 09:27 PM you mean One Canada Square ;) The Shard Baby November 15th, 2010, 10:08 PM :lol: DawsonHart November 15th, 2010, 10:25 PM Yep thats correct,218 metres,so just another 17 metres to equal 1 Canada square! I'm fairly new to this forum but wasn't the core rising at around a couple of metres a day? Are we looking at next Wed/Thurs that it rises taller that 1CS?? Skyscrapercarazeeee November 15th, 2010, 10:37 PM Shard baby,that wasn't a joke ;-) This stage is rising slower owing to the necessary extra thickness of the core walls.So i think we're looking at longer.23 metres of concrete core remain,not a great deal.But perhaps 3-4 weeks. Ciudad Bristol November 16th, 2010, 01:20 AM http://lh6.ggpht.com/_8k1Swt2-4gQ/TOHN74AFXqI/AAAAAAAAADw/45JDwIdr-bw/DSC00095.JPG The Shard Baby November 16th, 2010, 01:30 AM Wasn't a joke skyscrapercarazeeee, this isn't a joke a 12 year old school boy awake at 00:30! :cheers: Supertall Robbo November 16th, 2010, 02:06 AM ^^ Try 1:05 ! I win.. Yes! What do I win? Well im 17 so doesn't really count The Shard Baby November 16th, 2010, 02:26 AM 1:27 :lol: 4:10 5:34 Schmeek November 16th, 2010, 10:43 AM http://lh6.ggpht.com/_8k1Swt2-4gQ/TOHN74AFXqI/AAAAAAAAADw/45JDwIdr-bw/DSC00095.JPG Burj Khalifa? rockdoctor November 16th, 2010, 11:11 AM Not long later - and the numbers are fully exposed. Number 63 has half a floor of exposed concrete above it this morning. Cracking speed. scalatrava89 November 16th, 2010, 12:08 PM My rooter has gone down at home, leading to a whole weekend without internet access :ohno:, I’ve been going mad. So I’m currently at University backtracking and catching up with developments. I have to say though, in some of these pictures Shardy already looks twice the height of Guy’s. Turbosnail November 16th, 2010, 12:36 PM Nice webcam atm - kerching!!!! http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g51/turbosnail1/London%20Architecture/shard3.jpg s1lox November 16th, 2010, 12:37 PM apologies if this has been posted before. Amazing panorama of London (a few months old) http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html Skyscrapercarazeeee November 16th, 2010, 12:41 PM Damn,i was going to post that webcam image.Lovely Sun hit on the glass there. Can tell that the core is picking up speed very recently. I think it's a good thing that Shard is opposite the city on the other side of the Thames.What a skyline to come,with Bishopgate and Shard either side of our famous river Turbosnail November 16th, 2010, 12:51 PM Lol! Sorry about that :) Turbosnail November 16th, 2010, 02:19 PM I for one cannot wait to get up to the viewing gallery of Shard once completed - I've always thought the Eye was over rated but here's a taste of things to come from Shard by Simon Lay http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/5180624477_56d78575aa_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/13554478@N00/5180624477/) View of London (http://www.flickr.com/photos/13554478@N00/5180624477/) by Simon Lay (http://www.flickr.com/people/13554478@N00/), on Flickr http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/5180624781_989cc903de_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/13554478@N00/5180624781/) View of London (http://www.flickr.com/photos/13554478@N00/5180624781/) by Simon Lay (http://www.flickr.com/people/13554478@N00/), on Flickr plumma November 16th, 2010, 04:55 PM My rooter has gone down at home, leading to a whole weekend without internet access :ohno:, I’ve been going mad. So I’m currently at University backtracking and catching up with developments. I have to say though, in some of these pictures Shardy already looks twice the height of Guy’s. Rooter ? Is that an organic router ;-) adschi November 16th, 2010, 05:18 PM 1:27 :lol: 4:10 5:34 do you never sleep?!?! are you some kind of "inhuman" ?!?! :S lilweezychronic November 16th, 2010, 05:30 PM Nice webcam atm - kerching!!!! http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g51/turbosnail1/London%20Architecture/shard3.jpg Shard is going to fall down. :lol::lol::lol: london_marcus November 16th, 2010, 06:58 PM some pictures i took on my phone in the late evening sun :) http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1352/5182391418_2825378be5_b.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5182391768_baf1c22c95_b.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4107/5182391546_3b29b534d3_b.jpg Edvvc November 16th, 2010, 09:17 PM apologies if this has been posted before. Amazing panorama of London (a few months old) http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html This is awesome. The camera is literally miles away and you can zoorm right in and see the construction workers amongst the steel! adschi November 16th, 2010, 09:32 PM ^^ Wasn't that picture taken by someone on here? ajaaronjoe November 16th, 2010, 10:07 PM was london foggy this morning? Saul Silver November 16th, 2010, 11:44 PM This is awesome. The camera is literally miles away and you can zoorm right in and see the construction workers amongst the steel! that is amazing CB LDN November 17th, 2010, 12:28 AM was london foggy this morning? Oh, just a little bit! This view... http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5102014778_fa10174f55_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518522@N03/5102014778/) Shard in rain (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518522@N03/5102014778/) by CB_LDN (http://www.flickr.com/people/21518522@N03/), on Flickr became this... http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1265/5182596261_9fc040e2ee.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518522@N03/5182596261/) London Fog (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518522@N03/5182596261/) by CB_LDN (http://www.flickr.com/people/21518522@N03/), on Flickr chest November 17th, 2010, 12:37 AM a few misty ones from today.. http://web.me.com/benveasey/IMG_0712.jpg http://web.me.com/benveasey/IMG_0760.JPG http://web.me.com/benveasey/IMG_0786.jpg http://web.me.com/benveasey/IMG_0809.jpg http://web.me.com/benveasey/IMG_0821.jpg http://web.me.com/benveasey/IMG_0834.JPG http://web.me.com/benveasey/IMG_0856.jpg Atmosphere November 17th, 2010, 01:28 AM Those shots are outstanding! :cheers: Supertall Robbo November 17th, 2010, 02:00 AM Yes, Very well done as usual Chest! :applause: Any concrete floors gone in yet.. Gee, why am i up so late Manuel November 17th, 2010, 07:37 AM Chest, Bravo! :) delores November 17th, 2010, 09:18 AM amazing pictures, Londoners love this building shame on EH. Turbosnail November 17th, 2010, 09:27 AM ..shame on EH. Off with their heads.. london lad November 17th, 2010, 10:23 AM Off with their heads.. Lol- That would be one height reduction that would please people here ;) Turbosnail November 17th, 2010, 10:35 AM Lol- That would be one height reduction that would please people here ;) Indeed - now that would be a piece of English Heritage for them to think about. mattomatto November 17th, 2010, 11:45 AM You may remember this photo from early October http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5059500094_0e3530ce36_b.jpg Here is a similar shot taken yesterday morning http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/5184165888_7c079e680b_b.jpg mattomatto November 17th, 2010, 11:48 AM Here's a shot taken yesterday from Fenchurch Street (next to 20FC site), I think the Shard will look fantastic from here once complete even though you won't be able to see all of it :cheers: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1291/5184165946_b3cd21715f_b.jpg MattFromLondonist November 17th, 2010, 12:02 PM Stunning pics above. If you want more Shard porn, we just put a gallery of 14 images, from various vantage points around town, up on Londonist. http://londonist.com/2010/11/in_pictures_the_shard_as_seen_from.php scalatrava89 November 17th, 2010, 12:20 PM Here's a shot taken yesterday from Fenchurch Street (next to 20FC site), I think the Shard will look fantastic from here once complete even though you won't be able to see all of it :cheers: Don’t think we’ve seen the Shard from Fenchurch Street before, nice one mattomatto. 'Whilst on the subject', what’s the 20FC site looking like at the moment? mattomatto November 17th, 2010, 12:36 PM Don’t think we’ve seen the Shard from Fenchurch Street before, nice one mattomatto. 'Whilst on the subject', what’s the 20FC site looking like at the moment? Didn't sound like much was going on, didn't have a chance to have a look through the small hole in the doors to check but will do when I next bring my camera in :) JonH November 17th, 2010, 01:40 PM amazing pictures, Londoners love this building shame on EH. This should be a building the whole country should be proud of. It looks tremendous and I hope I will get into London over Christmas to see it in the flesh. sirstan74 November 17th, 2010, 02:04 PM I'm sure I heard a rumour there was going to be some sort of Christmas decs on the Shard this year. Anyone know anything? bertyboy November 17th, 2010, 03:51 PM I'm sure I heard a rumour there was going to be some sort of Christmas decs on the Shard this year. Anyone know anything? It would be an interesting idea to stick a pole on the top of the core and complete the outline of the finished building in fairy lights! Might get in the way of the TCs though....;) El_Greco November 17th, 2010, 04:09 PM a few misty ones from today.. One thing that I really like about winter is the fantastic light. scraperholic November 17th, 2010, 05:51 PM Noticed on my way through London Bridge this morning that floor 64 is clear. Am off on hols from tomorrow until 29 November so will be interested to see how much it's grown when I get back! unkle77 November 17th, 2010, 07:10 PM So is the Londonist right about the Shard being taller than Canada Tower next week? http://londonist.com/2010/11/in_pictures_the_shard_as_seen_from.php The Shard Baby November 17th, 2010, 07:18 PM Height geek time! that will make the shard 221metres exactly on where the floors will be! beat crystal palace!:banana: yet another structure in London put to shame 'heightways' this past 3 months :cheers: Skyscrapercarazeeee November 17th, 2010, 07:20 PM Latest is Level 64,so that means 221 metres. Level 68 will see CS1 passed (235 the number to pass,not 240 as article claims). EDIT baby you beat me to it.You are a true grit geek. Must say,Shard looks incredible in those images.I just can't wait to see her again-i know how much difference seeing the real thong makes. AUTOTHRILL November 17th, 2010, 09:03 PM Seeing the real thong makes all the difference buddy ;) randolph November 17th, 2010, 09:04 PM ^^You shouldn't be corrupting a 12 year olds mind with thoughts of thongs - real or imaginary!:) AUTOTHRILL November 17th, 2010, 09:28 PM The kids 12?! It's the danger of these forums, you'll lose your temper and discover the aggressor is like 13 or something :) Lol, he probably likes the girlies anyway, I doubt I'm wrong :) On a serious note, the reason I love SSC is you guys, youre interested like me, but are a whole lot more knowledgeable, which brings me to ask- whenabouts (if that's a word?) will the core top out? Forgive me if it's already be mentioned a page previously or something :) chest November 17th, 2010, 09:50 PM I'm sure I heard a rumour there was going to be some sort of Christmas decs on the Shard this year. Anyone know anything? its a good marketing tool to raise interest - the gherkin was lit up spectacularly one Christmas during its construction faze - some people may remember - a couple of pics I took at the time... http://web.me.com/benveasey/swissxmas.jpg http://web.me.com/benveasey/swissxmas3.jpg AUTOTHRILL November 17th, 2010, 10:01 PM And that's the other reason I love SSC- Chest! I've never seen those before thankyou :D Shardview77 November 17th, 2010, 10:13 PM Hi everyone, I've just uploaded a short video to YouTube showing some of the images I have taken of The Shard consrtuction over the last 3 years. It starts with the demolition of Southwark Towers (which began back in 2007!) and New London Bridge House and it tracks construction up until the beginning of this month. A reminder of where we have come from! Link below if you have a spare 2 mins to fill. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEYONTG3_Yg Newcastle Guy November 17th, 2010, 10:13 PM A cool photo from Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blunders500/5171796252/in/photostream/), by Blunders500: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/5171796252_ddee9a40d0_b.jpg bertyboy November 17th, 2010, 10:15 PM Zuuuul...... dermutt November 17th, 2010, 10:49 PM Hi everyone, I've just uploaded a short video to YouTube showing some of the images I have taken of The Shard consrtuction over the last 3 years. It starts with the demolition of Southwark Towers (which began back in 2007!) and New London Bridge House and it tracks construction up until the beginning of this month. A reminder of where we have come from! Link below if you have a spare 2 mins to fill. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEYONTG3_Yg Excellent, thank you Shardview...:) Anonymous-scraperfan November 17th, 2010, 11:04 PM For christmas decorations for the shard, I think lighting all the floors up with green lights and maybe some coloured stripes going up around the building and a big golden star at the top. This would make it very similar to a christmas tree at night time. cybertect November 17th, 2010, 11:56 PM Weston Street, approx 10:15 this morning. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/IMG_0358.jpg Jib November 18th, 2010, 12:09 AM shardview, you're so....coloured socksy photofaijai November 18th, 2010, 12:46 AM I was passing by and took this:)http://img688.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img688/4245/shardaerial.jpg&via=mupload This is hard posting pictures! I will try again tomorrow mulattokid November 18th, 2010, 09:07 AM Seeing the real thong makes all the difference buddy ;) Here here.... maceboy November 18th, 2010, 09:18 AM Shard baby,that wasn't a joke ;-) This stage is rising slower owing to the necessary extra thickness of the core walls.So i think we're looking at longer.23 metres of concrete core remain,not a great deal.But perhaps 3-4 weeks. 2 weeks if the wind stays away Skyscrapercarazeeee November 18th, 2010, 09:55 AM 2 weeks if the wind stays away I think the weather is okay for the foreseeable,i.e not too much wind. I notice the cladding has resumed on the eastern elevation. Cockunisan November 18th, 2010, 10:11 AM I have to congratulate all you Photographers on the pictures you've taken of the Shard, it really makes me want to visit London again:okay: rockdoctor November 18th, 2010, 10:32 AM Floor 65 visible this morning. anthonySE1 November 18th, 2010, 10:34 AM http://i51.tinypic.com/2q86mx5.jpg Zedferret November 18th, 2010, 12:12 PM Here's Photofaijai's failed image post. http://a.yfrog.com/img688/4245/shardaerial.jpg Yorkshire Boy November 18th, 2010, 12:13 PM :drool: jonnyboy November 18th, 2010, 01:05 PM O M G !!! Turbosnail November 18th, 2010, 01:21 PM What I don't get is that Photofaijai said he was passing by when he took that picture. In daddy's helicopter? l.l.c.o.o.l.b November 18th, 2010, 01:42 PM I just got a tweet from bbc london news today.. so calling all photographers.. BBCLondonNews Are you near the Shard at London Bridge? Do you live or work there? Send us your pictures! We'll try and show some on our TV programme just add BBCLondonNews The Shard Baby November 18th, 2010, 01:51 PM Level 65 means the core is 224.100 metres and rising, the top of the corebox is higher than the heron tower's spire at 232.100, so structually the shard is taller than the heron, but hold the bananas as that doesn't actually mean it's taller .... but what the hell! :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :dance: Stairz November 18th, 2010, 01:59 PM does anyone know how long the pause will be between the topping out of the concrete core and the addition of the spire? presumably they will have to wait until the steelwork catches up... edit: also looking back it seems as if they're adding a floor a day. with that in mind the concrete core should top out in a week and one canada square should be eclipsed in four days. of course that's not taking into account any slowdowns, weekend shifts, weather issues, etc. still, history for london skyscraper nerds about to be made. congrats. Cat man do November 18th, 2010, 02:31 PM Remember the spire contains the radiator floors which are presumably concrete as well. dermutt November 18th, 2010, 02:50 PM Level 65 means the core is 224.100 metres and rising, the top of the corebox is higher than the heron tower's spire at 232.100, so structually the shard is taller than the heron, but hold the bananas as that doesn't actually mean it's taller .... but what the hell! :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :dance: Shard baby, I don't want to be condescending as I know you're only like 6 years old or something and I'm 42 and a half, but did you know that it's actually "emperor" and not "emporer" or am I missing something?:bash: dermutt November 18th, 2010, 02:56 PM What I don't get is that Photofaijai said he was passing by when he took that picture. In daddy's helicopter? Great scene though, London always looks pretty bleah from the air, now magically it doesn't, give us Bishopsgate glowering at Shard across the Thames and London will have a skyline to be proud of. anthonySE1 November 18th, 2010, 03:10 PM Here's Photofaijai's failed image post. I really like that shot bertyboy November 18th, 2010, 03:10 PM Shard baby, I don't want to be condescending as I know you're only like 6 years old or something and I'm 42 and a half, but did you know that it's actually "emperor" and not "emporer" or am I missing something?:bash: I assumed it was an in-joke. Skydoggy November 18th, 2010, 03:11 PM What I don't get is that Photofaijai said he was passing by when he took that picture. In daddy's helicopter? That amused me too! :) I wondered if it was taken from a plane just before it's final turn and approach into London City Airport. I see the stream of planes just beyond The Shard making their final turns from my balcony. The flight path seems to have been altered since The Shard has got taller. They now keep further out to the west before the final line up with the runway! Great Pic! The Shard Baby November 18th, 2010, 03:26 PM It's a species, so it is spelt differentely, the usual spelling for emperor is 'emperor' but the name of the spiecies time emporer is spelt 'emporer'. :) Skyscrapercarazeeee November 18th, 2010, 03:28 PM does anyone know how long the pause will be between the topping out of the concrete core and the addition of the spire? presumably they will have to wait until the steelwork catches up... edit: also looking back it seems as if they're adding a floor a day. with that in mind the concrete core should top out in a week and one canada square should be eclipsed in four days. of course that's not taking into account any slowdowns, weekend shifts, weather issues, etc. still, history for london skyscraper nerds about to be made. congrats. Just a page back,Maceboy reckons 2 weeks to core topping off.. weather permitting.Maybe 3 weeks i think,knowing our weather. Re the spire,this video shows that there will be a delay,as the floors need to catch up with the finished concrete core before the rad floors and spire begin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDCyeX-sbVg PS,perhaps photofaijai used 730 foot stilts to get the shot . Skyscrapercarazeeee November 18th, 2010, 03:31 PM It's a species, so it is spelt differentely And so is differently :-) Aspidistra November 18th, 2010, 04:24 PM I assumed it was an in-joke. I thought "Emporer" was like "Emptor", i.e. a buyer in an emporium, so a time emporer is someone buying a timepiece, and the last of seven time emporers is like someone bidding on eBay for a watch, and winning it after six other people bid on it. Or something. maceboy November 18th, 2010, 04:55 PM Just a page back,Maceboy reckons 2 weeks to core topping off.. weather permitting.Maybe 3 weeks i think,knowing our weather. Re the spire,this video shows that there will be a delay,as the floors need to catch up with the finished concrete core before the rad floors and spire begin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDCyeX-sbVg PS,perhaps photofaijai used 730 foot stilts to get the shot . The spite will commence once the post tensiones concrete floors reach level 72. anthonySE1 November 18th, 2010, 05:24 PM Blimey it's cold, damp and drizzly. The Shard Baby November 18th, 2010, 05:29 PM :bash: AUTOTHRILL November 18th, 2010, 05:49 PM Lol, anthonySE1!!! :D pte1643 November 18th, 2010, 07:17 PM First post here... Been following this thread for AGES now and decided to jump in. Very nice close-up view straight into the top of the core box on "The Apprentice" last night. adschi November 18th, 2010, 07:22 PM ^^ yep I saw that too anyone know when exactly it was filmed? REAPER666 94 November 18th, 2010, 07:22 PM First post here... Been following this thread for AGES now and decided to jump in. Very nice close-up view straight into the top of the core box on "The Apprentice" last night. Noticed that too mate :) R.K.Teck November 18th, 2010, 08:15 PM The core boxes are the 2 black scaffold bits that say 'The Shard' and 'Mace,' right? What are they there for? Are they just platforms protected from the elements for the constructors to build from? And finally, are they just winched up the Shard's concrete shaft as construction continues? RMC42Southampton November 18th, 2010, 09:07 PM I believe the top of the core box is now just about to start level 68. That is 233m. Or in other words, 3m to go until taller than 1CS :). It's where the viewing gallery starts though, so Im not sure if that means the rising core will slow down... Edvvc November 18th, 2010, 09:16 PM http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1001/5188060398_e7acea3413_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/54481577@N07/5188060398/) Third core progress (http://www.flickr.com/photos/54481577@N07/5188060398/) by Hans Pfaal (http://www.flickr.com/people/54481577@N07/), on Flickr Skyscrapercarazeeee November 18th, 2010, 09:38 PM I believe the top of the core box is now just about to start level 68. That is 233m. Or in other words, 3m to go until taller than 1CS :). It's where the viewing gallery starts though, so Im not sure if that means the rising core will slow down... Yep.Viewing gallery starts at 69/236.5 metres. I don't see a reason for slow down after that point. As has been said already,2 weeks for top out weather permitting. The nice image above,that red warning light at the top of the boom must be around 270 metres/nearly 900 feet !,got some serious height now. hoodedvillain November 19th, 2010, 12:31 AM Here's Photofaijai's failed image post. http://a.yfrog.com/img688/4245/shardaerial.jpg OMG please tell me you have a large resolution image of this! It would be so useful in my work on the urban design of the area and looking at the construction of the new viaduct coming into london bridge station. Pretty please!! bertyboy November 19th, 2010, 01:36 AM The core boxes are the 2 black scaffold bits that say 'The Shard' and 'Mace,' right? What are they there for? Are they just platforms protected from the elements for the constructors to build from? And finally, are they just winched up the Shard's concrete shaft as construction continues? They are the outside of a system called `slipform'. This is a deep mold (or form) into which concrete is poured at the top. As it sets and it can start carrying its own weight, the mold `slips' up the core using hydraulic rams holding onto the set portion. Wooden frames are lowered into the form where doorways need to be formed in the concrete. As the forms are reconfigured when the core steps in, the outer edges of the lower form are left behind, along with wrap. chilliz November 19th, 2010, 01:59 AM Been seeing page after page of chest's briliant pictures... What camera do you use out of interest :)? rockdoctor November 19th, 2010, 09:34 AM Floor 66 out now. SE9 November 19th, 2010, 10:12 AM http://i52.tinypic.com/16j21zn.jpg london_marcus November 19th, 2010, 10:51 AM almost like looking at a house of mirrors :P cybertect November 19th, 2010, 11:58 AM Some pics from yesterday lunch time, more to be found in my Shard Gallery (http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gallery2/v/architecture/london/shard/). Queen Elizabeth Street http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0007.jpg from the far end of St Thomas Street http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0020.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0021.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0024.jpg heading up St Thomas Street toward the site http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0029.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0032.jpg and into the courtyard of Guy's http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0049.jpg you can see the new section of glazing peeking out on the eastern side http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0050.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0055.jpg The second 'Shard Holding Area' at the Borough end of St Thomas Street seems to have been formalised with traffic cones, which might have something to do with some roadworks that are happening near the pedestrian crossing. The lorry passing by on the left is carrying a load of glazing panels for The Shard. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0061.jpg Tower crane access bridge on the north side http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0072.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0081.jpg anthonySE1 November 19th, 2010, 12:20 PM Couldn't resist tweaking SE9's photo above. http://i53.tinypic.com/k00r4o.jpg Skyscrapercarazeeee November 19th, 2010, 02:07 PM lol. Great pictures. Thanx rockdoctor.The top of the core box is now the height of 1CS. Incidently guys and gals,1 Canada square is featured tonight,Children in need. Chris Evans is going to be up the top.:cheers: . bertyboy November 19th, 2010, 02:45 PM lol. Great pictures. all are equally appreciated. Thanx rockdoctor.The top of the core box is now the height of 1CS. Incidently guys and gals,1 Canada square is featured tonight,Children in need. Chris Evans is going to be up the top.:cheers: . Ooh, so by Monday, this could be officially the tallest building in London? The Shard Baby November 19th, 2010, 04:42 PM I saw that Chris Evans thing on the one show, would not want to be him! :ohno: Level 66 means the core is 227.2 metres high! so close to heron! :banana: Construction-Mad November 19th, 2010, 05:44 PM Very impressive photos. I've been following this thread for a while now (this and the New Change project at least). Great to follow the progress after such a long gestation period. Incidentally, I note that a couple of Cybertects photos have been used on Mr Piano's website at http://rpbw.r.ui-pro.com/(alas it's a flash website - got no idea how you link to a specific page in Flash). Images 18 and 19 on the London Bridge Tower project Images page. Well done! :) adschi November 19th, 2010, 05:49 PM yes well done to Cybertect :) I like image 19 as it shows the core in its early days lol cybertect November 19th, 2010, 05:58 PM Very impressive photos. I've been following this thread for a while now (this and the New Change project at least). Great to follow the progress after such a long gestation period. Incidentally, I note that a couple of Cybertects photos have been used on Mr Piano's website at http://rpbw.r.ui-pro.com/(alas it's a flash website - got no idea how you link to a specific page in Flash). Images 18 and 19 on the London Bridge Tower project Images page. Well done! :) Ta. :cheers: I think they've been there since February when they asked if they could use them. IIRC they were the same pics used in the A+U magazine Special Issue on Piano back in May. I wondered how long it would be before someone noticed. :D Construction-Mad November 19th, 2010, 07:14 PM Whilst I'm here, I've noticed a few structure questions pop up every now and then. Don't know if anyone saw this (in the 700-plus pages of excited discourse on this thread), but saw this PDF from WSP the other week and been meaning to post the link for a while: http://www.wspgroup.se/upload/documents/PDF/UK/WSP_Shard_Brochure.pdf Enjoy :) lumberjack November 19th, 2010, 08:55 PM Whilst I'm here, I've noticed a few structure questions pop up every now and then. Don't know if anyone saw this (in the 700-plus pages of excited discourse on this thread), but saw this PDF from WSP the other week and been meaning to post the link for a while: http://www.wspgroup.se/upload/documents/PDF/UK/WSP_Shard_Brochure.pdf Enjoy :) Great PDF document thanks for the link. rickster2k November 19th, 2010, 09:22 PM Interesting section about the spire in that pdf. mulattokid November 19th, 2010, 09:31 PM Well! If level 66 is now poking out from under the box then I would extrapolate from this diagram, we already have a new tallest tower in the UK if you include the works under the box. from the far end of St Thomas Street http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101118_0020.jpg The plant floors are tiny though? http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1152/5118919819_3556312c6b_o.jpg milkymilky November 19th, 2010, 10:27 PM ^^ I think the corebox is about 6m so not quite overtaken 1CS yet, another 2 metres-ish? Latest diagram from Cullwulla: i think having lev66/67 in core is now 233m? must be close to topping out? also about to be tallest building in london! http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5188299436_23a36eed74_o.png adschi November 19th, 2010, 10:35 PM I saw a bit of Chris Evans doing the window cleaning on 1CS tonight on Children in Need... :P cybertect November 19th, 2010, 10:35 PM I took a little trip on my bike down the Thames Path to Rotherhithe this afternoon http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101119_0018.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101119_0023.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101119_0033.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101119_0047.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/Shard/20101119_0053.jpg adschi November 19th, 2010, 10:39 PM Very nice, I don't see that area of London too much in pictures although I have been there. GazKinz November 20th, 2010, 12:41 AM Lovely viewpoint from Sumner Street http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc360/londonfire/Picture15225911_ShiftN.jpg cybertect November 20th, 2010, 12:51 AM ^^ fab, yes R.K.Teck November 20th, 2010, 12:57 AM That's awesome to har that The Shard is now the UKs tallest, no official confirmation - but common sense shows from the pictures that it's true!! I 'google news' searched "Shard London Tallest" but nothing came up that was relevant, apart from one article in the Financial Times suggesting a further 3 60+ floor skyscrapers will be built by the same developers in the area near the Shard to create a cluster of tall buildings, I've heard of this before, so it is old news, but can anyone give the full details? BodgeJob1 November 20th, 2010, 01:17 AM apart from one article in the Financial Times suggesting a further 3 60+ floor skyscrapers will be built by the same developers in the area near the Shard to create a cluster of tall buildings, I've heard of this before, so it is old news, but can anyone give the full details? Thats the 3 spires project, currently going through 'NIMBY Hell' and will most likely never make it through planning at anything like the heights proposed... bertyboy November 20th, 2010, 04:16 AM Well! If level 66 is now poking out from under the box then I would extrapolate from this diagram, we already have a new tallest tower in the UK if you include the works under the box. London. Not the UK! RugBurn November 20th, 2010, 04:47 AM Wow- awesome pictures. Very impressive, Once the Pinnacle is built to compliment the shard, It will look like this very impressive gateway into the central London. The Shard Baby November 20th, 2010, 08:39 AM Is that a tiny setback of the core like on level 8 and there still is not completed backpack steel CULWULLA! :tiasd::hahano: Skyscrapercarazeeee November 20th, 2010, 10:01 AM ^^ I think the corebox is about 6m so not quite overtaken 1CS yet, another 2 metres-ish? Latest diagram from Cullwulla: No MILKY,the core box is 8 metres high.Culwallah is in error there. Furthermore,i guess the core has risen more since yesterday,so very close to 1CS. The corebox is no doubt higher. Skyscrapercarazeeee November 20th, 2010, 10:07 AM MK,i think he's referring to Emley moor :-) Shard will overtake Emley Moor level 83 (i'm excluding the mast atop Emley) mulattokid November 20th, 2010, 10:11 AM Maybe we should stick to buildings as opposed to transmitters or well be all over the place London. Not the UK! ~What skyscraper were you thinking of ? Edit: Oh I see thanks Skyscapercarazeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee maceboy November 20th, 2010, 10:41 AM No MILKY,the core box is 8 metres high.Culwallah is in error there. Furthermore,i guess the core has risen more since yesterday,so very close to 1CS. The corebox is no doubt higher. Just so that everyone is clear we have about 7m remaining of the core to slip. We will be the tallest structure on Wednesday evening. jimbo November 20th, 2010, 11:34 AM Just so that everyone is clear we have about 7m remaining of the core to slip. We will be the tallest structure on Wednesday evening. top banana! Cheers for that. REAPER666 94 November 20th, 2010, 12:13 PM Just out of interest, Will the spire on top be added when the core tops off or will they wait for the steel to catch up? london_marcus November 20th, 2010, 12:36 PM 1 Canada squares last days of power ;) huge November 20th, 2010, 12:45 PM If I remember well, London Bridge station was supposed to undergo a major renovation process along with the Shard construction. Any news about that? Anonymous-scraperfan November 20th, 2010, 12:53 PM If I remember well, London Bridge station was supposed to undergo a major renovation process along with the Shard construction. Any news about that? I saw something of relevance on Google News: New London Bridge Bus Station begins this month (http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/development-of-new-london-bridge-bus-station-begins-this-month/201013297) huge November 20th, 2010, 12:58 PM I saw something of relevance on Google News: New London Bridge Bus Station begins this month (http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/development-of-new-london-bridge-bus-station-begins-this-month/201013297) I don't think that's part of the train station renovation. I've found some info on wikipedia (hopefully they're accurate). They say works will start only after the Olympics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge_station#Future_development rickster2k November 20th, 2010, 01:24 PM 1 Canada squares last days of power ;) What a milestone for the UK - almost 20 years in the making. JackM November 20th, 2010, 01:40 PM What a milestone for the UK - almost 20 years in the making. Lets hope it won't take another 20 to beat the Shard. :lol: Supertall Robbo November 20th, 2010, 02:06 PM crane tallest in europe yet? or am i just being greedy AUTOTHRILL November 20th, 2010, 02:13 PM You might be right ! london lad November 20th, 2010, 02:21 PM If I remember well, London Bridge station was supposed to undergo a major renovation process along with the Shard construction. Any news about that? Not happening now. The large scale plans have to be scaled back quite considerably so no above station offices. Sesquip November 20th, 2010, 03:04 PM Not happening now. The large scale plans have to be scaled back quite considerably so no above station offices. Oh, I wasn't aware of this. Does this mean the only station improvements will be to the existing concourse site? Or will we eventually get 3 more through platforms and the below-track concourse? bertyboy November 20th, 2010, 03:05 PM Not happening now. Oh. I hadn't seen anything about this. Any links? dixtat November 20th, 2010, 03:56 PM Autothrill, it seems to me that you love Sagrada Família Edvvc November 20th, 2010, 04:55 PM http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/5191794753_9d844caec6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/54481577@N07/5191794753/) Saturday (http://www.flickr.com/photos/54481577@N07/5191794753/) by Hans Pfaal (http://www.flickr.com/people/54481577@N07/), on Flickr Bowater November 20th, 2010, 04:56 PM What will the views be like from the top? Will you be able to see the North Sea? Imagine the day they build a skyscraper tall enough to see the English Channel south of Brighton or even France! If the Burj Dubai were in London would that be possible?? Edvvc November 20th, 2010, 05:00 PM http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y362/Edvvc/5f60f512.png dixtat November 20th, 2010, 05:02 PM What will the views be like from the top? Will you be able to see the North Sea? Imagine the day they build a skyscraper tall enough to see the English Channel south of Brighton or even France! If the Burj Dubai were in London would that be possible?? Sure! Black Cat November 20th, 2010, 05:09 PM I have to admit I look forward to seeing how this building is proposed to be illuminated at night. Could it have illuminations akin to the Eiffel Tower? Could it also be a site for fabulous firework displays? It will also be interesting to see how much impact LBT will have on the skyline from a long distance, as Bowater raises. Could this building be visible at night from the Devils Dyke on the South Downs, a place where the fire at Crystal Palace was able to be seen? adschi November 20th, 2010, 05:09 PM steel work on the backpack is progressing Bowater November 20th, 2010, 05:11 PM With a few seconds spent on Google I have found the answer to my own question! How far can you see from the top of Burj Dubai assuming the top is 850 meters above sea level? Assuming flat earth or ocean, the maximum line of sight (distance to the horizon) is calculated by: d = SQRT((2*R*h)+h*EXP(2)) d = farthest distance you can see to the horizon R = Earth's radius in km h = your height above sea level in km d = SQRT((2*6356.75km*0.850km)+0.850km*EXP(2)) = 104 kilometers So even with the curvature of the Earth if your boat is out on the ocean and you're 104 km out you will still see the top of Burj Dubai ! Therefore if the Burj Dubai were in London you could see out into the English Channel beyond Brighton (85.4 km by road) but not as far as France. As for the Shard the answer is: sqrt((2*6356.75*0.309)+0.309**(2)) Which is: 62.6782816km London to Southend is 65.1 km (walking) according to Google Maps but with a very wiggly route, so standing from top of the Shard you could probably see out towards the Thames Estuary. Chelmsford in Essex is 53.9km Reading is 63.7km - again when walking so maybe just in sight. R.K.Teck November 20th, 2010, 05:26 PM I love how this is going to rise up like a giant middle finger to all NIMBYs in Southwark. Tallest in London next week - take that! Hopefully it paves the way for more tall structures, which are not just great to look at but provide employment to the construction industry during these difficult times. adschi November 20th, 2010, 05:48 PM I love how this is going to rise up like a giant middle finger to all NIMBYs in Southwark. Tallest in London next week - take that! Hopefully it paves the way for more tall structures, which are not just great to look at but provide employment to the construction industry during these difficult times. Yep :) adschi November 20th, 2010, 05:49 PM With a few seconds spent on Google I have found the answer to my own question! Therefore if the Burj Dubai were in London you could see out into the English Channel beyond Brighton (85.4 km by road) but not as far as France. As for the Shard the answer is: sqrt((2*6356.75*0.309)+0.309**(2)) Which is: 62.6782816km London to Southend is 65.1 km (walking) according to Google Maps but with a very wiggly route, so standing from top of the Shard you could probably see out towards the Thames Estuary. Chelmsford in Essex is 53.9km Reading is 63.7km - again when walking so maybe just in sight. the Shard is 309m but the viewing platform/deck (whatever it's called) is at 240m I think maceboy November 20th, 2010, 05:59 PM If I remember well, London Bridge station was supposed to undergo a major renovation process along with the Shard construction. Any news about that? The station re vamp has started and will be complete with the main building london lad November 20th, 2010, 06:00 PM Oh, I wasn't aware of this. Does this mean the only station improvements will be to the existing concourse site? Or will we eventually get 3 more through platforms and the below-track concourse? I'm pretty sure the actual Thameslink improvements will be carried out including all you outlined. Its the expensive above ground redevelopment and office block that's been dropped so I would assume a new roof and concourse will be all its getting. I can't remember where I read it might have been one of the construction journals. Bowater November 20th, 2010, 06:21 PM the Shard is 309m but the viewing platform/deck (whatever it's called) is at 240m I think That takes the viewing range down to 55.24km - still far enough to see my home in Brentwood. :banana: gothicform November 20th, 2010, 06:44 PM That takes the viewing range down to 55.24km - still far enough to see my home in Brentwood. :banana: you're forgetting hills in the way and all that... and that other places might be above sea level by more than the shard. this is what you can see from the top of it http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2094TheViewFromTheShard_pic1.jpg http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=2094 DrewHallam November 20th, 2010, 06:46 PM I seriously doubt you will be able to see Brighton or Southampton from the top of the shard. lol. dreadathecontrols November 20th, 2010, 07:18 PM you're forgetting hills in the way and all that... and that other places might be above sea level by more than the shard. this is what you can see from the top of it http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2094TheViewFromTheShard_pic1.jpg http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=2094 i will give $£$£$%$£ to anyone who can get a pic of brighton from the shard.... And btw those pix by Simon Lay..... Great pix Simon. Shame you wont be a bit more forthcoming about WSP in regards to 'india tower'..... Why all the cloak and dagger? :) Aha a thought... Goth people trust you. Ask Mr Lay whats going on with that can you? And PM me? Mwah mwah And bring back M B T !!! gothicform November 20th, 2010, 07:24 PM you'll only be able to see some of brighton from it. part of brighton is on a hill... you've got those cliffs and so on behind it too. you won't be able to see brighton sea front from it... if they ever build the brighton marina tower that will be visible. people forget the shard is almost at sea level as for southampton, how much above sea level is it... what's the tallest building in it? ;) best add a prominence of 100 metres. as an example, one cannot see boston from the top of lincoln cathedral, nor the sea thanks to the lincolnshire wolds, but you can see the boston stump thus on a clear day you'll be able to see things like canterbury cathedral. http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/471St.BotolphsChurch_pic20.jpg Madman November 20th, 2010, 07:25 PM As someone who lives in east hampshire on the South Downs, the arrow of viewpoint towards Southampton is a load of bollocks. The hills in my area are the same height as the viewing platform itself so there is no chance of being able to view further than my side of the north downs dreadathecontrols November 20th, 2010, 07:31 PM you'll only be able to see some of brighton from it. part of brighton is on a hill... you've got those cliffs and so on behind it too. you won't be able to see brighton sea front from it... if they ever build the brighton marina tower that will be visible. I'll give money for any part of brighton. think the south downs will get in the way. Marina tower.thoguth the rersidents knocked it back. The signs still up for the 'brighton i' but i cant see it happening. I never believed their buisiness model anyway. erm can you rememmer when there was all those SSC crashes and some of us had to re re-register? Was it 2003? Maybe summer? and go on make an old man happy hassle Simon Lay for us . You prob know him already... njoy youre evening :) bandy November 20th, 2010, 07:33 PM ... gothicform November 20th, 2010, 07:39 PM As someone who lives in east hampshire on the South Downs, the arrow of viewpoint towards Southampton is a load of bollocks. The hills in my area are the same height as the viewing platform itself so there is no chance of being able to view further than my side of the north downs ordinance survey data says there is, and clearly a view through the hills at some point, thus if there is a single tower block you can see from the top of the shard or a church spire then it's right. you realise this map refers to what is visible from the TOP of the tower, not the viewing platform??? did anyone read the article?????????????????? we could work it out from the top of the viewing platform too but i can't be bothered... i wanted to know where i could photograph for when i stand on the top of it. DrewHallam November 20th, 2010, 09:18 PM ordinance survey data says there is, and clearly a view through the hills at some point, thus if there is a single tower block you can see from the top of the shard or a church spire then it's right. you realise this map refers to what is visible from the TOP of the tower, not the viewing platform??? did anyone read the article?????????????????? we could work it out from the top of the viewing platform too but i can't be bothered... i wanted to know where i could photograph for when i stand on the top of it. Pardon my French, but you can quote Ordinance Survey till you're blue in the face, but common sense says that you will never be able to see Brighton or Southampton from the top of the shard!:lol: DrewHallam November 20th, 2010, 09:22 PM You can check on google earth, put your viewpoint 309m above the shard site and look south, you can clearly see that the south downs is as far as you are ever going to be able to see, I'd say half way to Brighton. mulattokid November 20th, 2010, 09:41 PM Pardon my French, but you can quote Ordinance Survey till you're blue in the face, but common sense says that you will never be able to see Brighton or Southampton from the top of the shard!:lol: Except of course through the valleys in those downs. Its all visualised on here way way back in the thread. You can see parts of Brighton....or somewhere that smells of fish mulattokid November 20th, 2010, 09:59 PM ordinance survey data says there is, and clearly a view through the hills at some point, thus if there is a single tower block you can see from the top of the shard or a church spire then it's right. you realise this map refers to what is visible from the TOP of the tower, not the viewing platform??? did anyone read the article?????????????????? we could work it out from the top of the viewing platform too but i can't be bothered... i wanted to know where i could photograph for when i stand on the top of it. James! You computer is faster than mine. Somewhere near the beginning of this thread is a OS generated view from the Shard to the coast. Maybe it wasnt Brighton but Southend or something? :dunno: Its not in the first 40 pages :sleepy: But I found this. Apparently he started this thread...when he was much younger http://i14.tinypic.com/47ca61l.jpg[/ mb5000 November 20th, 2010, 10:15 PM Sorry to break up your bickering, but when is this thing gonna overtake 1 Canada Square?:dunno: bertyboy November 20th, 2010, 10:27 PM Sorry to break up your bickering, but when is this thing gonna overtake 1 Canada Square?:dunno: Wednesday night (according to maceboy a page back). mb5000 November 20th, 2010, 10:38 PM Wednesday night (according to maceboy a page back). Oh. Cheers. GazKinz November 20th, 2010, 11:25 PM Taken on Tuesday http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc360/londonfire/Picture15225971.jpg ajaaronjoe November 20th, 2010, 11:57 PM :speech: :omg: Anonymous-scraperfan November 21st, 2010, 12:15 AM I don't know if this has been mentioned but the Shards first lowest core can be seen if you skip into 18:20 of 'The Apprentice' Series 6 Episode 7. DVD on BBC iPlayer. This is proof that this programme is filmed much earlier in the year, but it says it's broadcast on 17 November, so don't be fooled by this. ismail November 21st, 2010, 12:19 AM Taken on Tuesday http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc360/londonfire/Picture15225971.jpg Yes, but is it taller than Guys yet.................:cheers: Edvvc November 21st, 2010, 12:42 AM Great pic GazKinz. It's great to see it from new angles, and expertly composed. Jamandell (d69) November 21st, 2010, 12:44 AM Haha I just noticed, I can't believe I was the first person on this thread to ever comment after it started! I feel so honoured looking back :P Edvvc November 21st, 2010, 12:55 AM Thanks for starting this! I'm still fascinated by the prospect of that large spike going half way up the height of the tower. And wouldn't it be lovely if we at some point got one of those ultra-realistic renders like the one for 122 Leadenhall? :D Is the spike gonna happen? eddyk November 21st, 2010, 12:56 AM http://i55.tinypic.com/16h3zo6.jpg View from the Shard. Tallest Building in Brighton = 102m....however land gets to 180m Above sea level between Brighton and London. Further you will be able to see from the Shard = Walbury Hill near Hungerford....60 Miles away. ReissOmari November 21st, 2010, 01:11 AM Not that you guys care about the music.. But Shard looks HUGE in this new music video by Skepta and N Dubz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTtyrHlusA&hd=1 NothingBetterToDo November 21st, 2010, 02:17 AM Here's a few pics taken the other day at Primrose Hill... http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9397/p1030661as.jpg http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4003/p1030679a.jpg http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8236/p1030680a.jpg RoryT November 21st, 2010, 02:57 AM http://i55.tinypic.com/16h3zo6.jpg View from the Shard. Tallest Building in Brighton = 102m....however land gets to 180m Above sea level between Brighton and London. Further you will be able to see from the Shard = Walbury Hill near Hungerford....60 Miles away. How did you do that in Google maps?? I was gonna throw something together in ArcGIS but could'nt get hold of a TIN for the whole area. Surely this has to be ahead of schedule... even more so if the glass continues to rise at the current pace gothicform November 21st, 2010, 07:01 AM How did you do that in Google maps?? I was gonna throw something together in ArcGIS but could'nt get hold of a TIN for the whole area. Surely this has to be ahead of schedule... even more so if the glass continues to rise at the current pace that's for terrain yeah... now repeat it for buildings and all sorts of additional little peaks become visible :) as a simple example, that map says you can't see chelmsford and yet you have a 43 metre tall tower block there, suddenly chelmsford is visible. mulattokid November 21st, 2010, 09:22 AM I've had a reply from the man who does the panoramas; he's already generated a panomara from the top of the Shard and will email it to me when he's added the narrative features (probably tomorrow). But he's given me the answer - the channel is NOT visible. He says: "To the south, the sea does not come into view until the eye is raised to about 2000 feet. The sea then comes into view at OSGB grid bearings of 120-130 and 191. Even if there were no Downs, from a height of 950 feet the sea disappears below the horizon at a distance of 41 miles. The Channel is further from London than that." So now we know. If you want somethng done! Took ages to find this! mulattokid November 21st, 2010, 09:23 AM Here is a sight line from just off Eastbourne (avoiding the South Downs) to the top of the Shard. (http://www.megalithia.com/elect/terrain.php?Make=-1&ngr=TV620984&bht=0&ngr1=TQ330800&daod=310&dname=&dht=0&go=go) Going out to sea makes the curvature of the Earth worse. Cant find the panoramic chart though mulattokid November 21st, 2010, 09:24 AM Some models at the New London Architecture Exhibition. I'm still trying to work out how many 'sides' the building has - http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/LBT/3.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/LBT/4.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/LBT/5.jpg Just interesting to see Edvvc November 21st, 2010, 09:54 AM Don't those trees need roots? The Shard Baby November 21st, 2010, 10:26 AM There are 28 sides to the Shard on the floor plan.:hammer: mulattokid November 21st, 2010, 10:32 AM I wouldnt want to use the handrails on those stairs! Skyscrapercarazeeee November 21st, 2010, 11:22 AM Imagine the day they build a skyscraper tall enough to see the English Channel south of Brighton or even France I tested this a while back.Would need (comfortably) 2500-3000 feet high approx. EDIT,lol,after reading subsequent posts regarding this,i must state i used FSX simulator,whith ''real scenery'' which has highly accurate terrain.And with 800 feet altitude. Very much looking forward to visiting the high peaks of the south downs to check Shard out at such a great distance! PS I hope the i360 does get built EDIT Yep drew,all relative 8-). Hopefully SHard will be visible from devils dyke.Just did a quick check,and the highest land on the line (500 approx) is lower than the peak (650).So hopefully Shard will poke up nicely. DrewHallam November 21st, 2010, 11:37 AM I tested this a while back.Would need 2500-3000 feet high approx. EDIT,lol,after reading subsequent posts regarding this,i must state i used FSX simulator,whith ''real scenery'' which has highly accurate terrain.And with 800 feet altitude. Very much looking forward to visiting the high peaks of the south downs to check Shard out at such a great distance! PS I hope the i360 does get built lol, I did the same on Google Earth, although coming from the Lake District I can't really call the south downs " high peaks ", hell, coming from South Africa I wouldn't even call the Lake District fells high peaks lol. Skyscrapercarazeeee November 21st, 2010, 12:38 PM Just so that everyone is clear we have about 7m remaining of the core to slip. We will be the tallest structure on Wednesday evening. So it's at 233 metres now.So the next couple of days will see only another 2 metres rise....to level and pass 1CS ? Okay :cheers: anthonySE1 November 21st, 2010, 01:48 PM http://i52.tinypic.com/10qa2dy.gif http://i56.tinypic.com/5cimac.jpg dreadathecontrols November 21st, 2010, 01:53 PM So folks the answer is ; the viewing platform gives a view of 45 kms which means brighton wont be visible even without the sth downs, as its about 55 miles, nyet? Yep drew,all relative 8-). Hopefully SHard will be visible from devils dyke.Just did a quick check,and the highest land on the line (500 approx) is lower than the peak (650).So hopefully Shard will poke up nicely. And nah mate it ant gonna be visible from the dyke or chanctonbury or anywhere down here :) leverarch November 21st, 2010, 02:17 PM This is becoming visible from all over the place now! I just noticed it peering over the rooftops from the end of Liverpool Rd in Highbury, which isn't even on a significant hill :) adschi November 21st, 2010, 02:19 PM http://i52.tinypic.com/10qa2dy.gif http://i56.tinypic.com/5cimac.jpg I wouldn't be surprised if some idiots come along and say that that is offensive to non-religious people. :ohno: Supertall Robbo November 21st, 2010, 03:10 PM Photos of the day: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4083/5194970896_f5734f0fb9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194970896/) DSC02795 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194970896/) by robinsonhome (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5194368711_0945503a77_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194368711/) DSC02796 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194368711/) by robinsonhome (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5202/5194374961_4b488d886f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194374961/) DSC02805 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194374961/) by robinsonhome (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5121/5194431427_d7b799e3d3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194431427/) DSC02822 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194431427/) by robinsonhome (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5194433825_3124e518c8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194433825/) DSC02831 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194433825/) by robinsonhome (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5195036962_751d4abae3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5195036962/) DSC02830 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5195036962/) by robinsonhome (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr 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(http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5194980948_a8d43e9554_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194980948/) DSC02799 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194980948/) by robinsonhome (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4107/5194983060_50ec1bdfae_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194983060/) DSC02803 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194983060/) by robinsonhome (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr ^^ In that photo, when the cladding meets, it looks like the gherkin's cladding interesting. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4128/5194387265_726904181b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194387265/) DSC02801 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194387265/) by robinsonhome (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5194989162_0aebe7bf43_b.jpg 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(http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5194459237_7d081dec7f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194459237/) DSC02828 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5194459237/) by robinsonhome (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr bertyboy November 21st, 2010, 03:21 PM Don't those trees need roots? Don't be silly - they're not real! The Shard Baby November 21st, 2010, 03:57 PM Well done Robbo, good way to present page 750! :applause::badnews: Leeds Troll November 21st, 2010, 04:27 PM Maybe we should stick to buildings as opposed to transmitters or well be all over the place ~What skyscraper were you thinking of ? Edit: Oh I see thanks Skyscapercarazeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee This is the Tallest tower in the UK, and because its free standing its classed as a building. stands 330.4 metres (1,084 ft) even after the shards complete it still will hold the record for the Tallest free standing structure in the UK http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3826673031_1d1ebc9d83_z.jpg Skyscrapercarazeeee November 21st, 2010, 04:29 PM So folks the answer is ; the viewing platform gives a view of 45 kms which means brighton wont be visible even without the sth downs, as its about 55 miles, nyet? Dyke to Shard is 44 miles You can see 30 miles near ground level.Lets see what real 1st hand experience brings us when its built:cheers: EDIT agrees ADSCHI adschi November 21st, 2010, 05:02 PM We all know that the Shard is better than Emley Moor anyway :) mulattokid November 21st, 2010, 05:10 PM This is the Tallest tower in the UK, and because its free standing its classed as a building. stands 330.4 metres (1,084 ft) even after the shards complete it still will hold the record for the Tallest free standing structure in the UK http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3826673031_1d1ebc9d83_z.jpg I see....and is that the city of Leeds I see underneath? ;) ferge November 21st, 2010, 05:27 PM I doubt many would want that in their town/city centre, like :| Leeds Troll November 21st, 2010, 06:17 PM We all know that the Shard is better than Emley Moor anyway :) I wasn't saying emley moor was better than the shard, i was just recorrecting someones post, also i think it would look great in Birmingham with all the concrete lol ;) Only time it looks okish, not decent is when it's dark :lol: http://www.petebarnesphotography.co.uk/uploaded_images/Emley-Moor-Mast-at-dusk-(IMG_4150-Edit)-756534.jpg hugh November 21st, 2010, 06:17 PM I see....and is that the city of Leeds I see underneath? ;) LOL. Leeds Troll November 21st, 2010, 06:18 PM I doubt many would want that in their town/city centre, like :| Don't joke it's Birminghams dream :nuts: :lol: Leeds Troll November 21st, 2010, 06:19 PM I see....and is that the city of Leeds I see underneath? ;) no thats, southwark ;) |