Riverside South
Canary Wharf, London


Riverside South is designed by Richard Rogers, and consists of two towers joined at the base. The tallest tower is 236m, structurally taller than 1 Canada Square by a metre, but lower by AOD height. In terms of commercial floorspace, this will be the largest single office development in Europe.

Current status: Approved. JP Morgan were secured as tenants in August 2008. Prep work is underway, with actual construction starting in 2009.



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Edit: Below are the latest renderings, as of August 2008:

- wjfox


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I don't like the design very much but it fits very well the CW skyline.


London rules

wow.... i never thort this would get built!!!

How big is it ? isn"t it close to 300 000m² ? Hopefully that won't affect too much much more interesting developements in the city.

Just stumbled across these great images
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/heron_west1.jpg
http://simonward.com/build/large/dockdev/cws.jpg

^^^
I think that first one is of Heron Quays West.

How big is it ? isn"t it close to 300 000m² ? Hopefully that won't affect too much much more interesting developements in the city.

230 000m² net!
You meant it will affect interesting developments in the City did you?
It's huge for the Central London office market! I'm more pessimistic than you are on this point.

Almost 280,000sqm actually

Canary Wharf sticking two fingers up at the City.

These towers have been around since 2001 I believe. They're a great addition to Canary Wharf, it's a shame they've taken so long to get going.

One thing these will do, and that's stretch the Canary Wharf skyline along the east west axis, making it much more like La Defense from the south and north.

One of my favorite projects of London, just beautiful:)

I think it's being re-designed though from the current renders...

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/wow2.jpg

Nice picture Chest. From that angle it makes the skyline look a bit heavy on the right hand side.... needs bulking up to the north a little. Still, cant wait for them to be built. Should be able to see them from where I work once they are done!

lovely design!!

Very nice addition for CW.

According to jef in the London metro construction forum, CWG(Canary Wharf Group) have confirmed that Riverside South will begin construction in early 2007 :banana:

Some great news for London!

So, in 2007 London should have U/C:

Leadenhall: 225m
Riverside South T1: 214m

Riverside South T2: 189m
Broadgate Tower: 165m

Pan Peninsula T1: 147m
Marsh Wall: 137m
Willis Building: 125m
+ other 100m+ buildings

Atleast!

And enabeling works starting on the Shard mid next year too!

Heron is not going ahead?

Nice, but not very interesting towers

Heron is not going ahead?

:dunno:

Heron will start construction in 2008

Do you or newcastle guy know when the Bishopsgate tower start? I love that design, it's a damn shame that Minerva and Columbus were cancelled though, good height and lovely shape. Either way, London is rocking

Heron will start construction in 2008

Wasn´t it supposed to start construction next summer?

Nah, they released a construction timetable about 6-8 months ago. Heron should begin construction in November 2008 (2yrs from now)

According to Emporis: For the higher tower, RS1: Height (struct.) 214m/702ft & floors (OG) 44.

...and for the lower tower - RS2: Height (struct.): 189m/619ft & floors (OG) 38-levels:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/RiversideTowers12render.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/RiversideTowersRender12-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/RiversideRendersonCanaryWharf.jpg

Nah, they released a construction timetable about 6-8 months ago. Heron should begin construction in November 2008 (2yrs from now)

But that is actual construction, demolition should start next year and possibly enabeling too (same as the Shard). We could have construction threads for them both in '07 before the year is out too.

i thought they were gonna build north quay before heron

i thought they were gonna build north quay before heron

They're in 2 different parts of London with different strategies of development. :dunno:

I think he is confusing Riverside South with Heron Quays West.

my apologies for being vague, i thought the big towers that are left to get built were going up in this order

riverside south

north quay

heron quays west

but newcastle guy said that heron quays starts at the end of 2008, does this mean north quay will start between the 2 or has it been put back?

Heron Quays is a totally different project to the Heron Tower.

Just to clarify...

"Heron Tower" is the skyscraper planned for the City. Preparatory work has been going on for some time now. Demolition is scheduled for July 2007, and Ronson intends to build the tower speculatively, but the project still needs funding before it can actually go ahead.


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"Heron Quays West" is a site in Canary Wharf. In the long term, there are plans for 2 major towers there, almost certainly in the 150-220m height range. A rendering of an initial design by Richard Rogers is shown below. It's unlikely anything will be developed before the next property cycle though.


http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/52HeronQuaysWestTower1_pic1.jpg





Riverside South is now confirmed to be starting in April 2007, as has been said. I'm not sure about North Quay, but it's probably a few years away. Canary Wharf Group want to secure tenants for Riverside South first - and that's likely to be a while, given that it's the single largest office development in Europe.

There are plenty of other Docklands schemes to look forward to, though. Below is a complete list of what's *definitely* going up in the area - either right now, or in early 2007:

214m Riverside South tower one
189m Riverside South tower two
147m Pan Peninsula main tower
137m Marsh Wall tower two
131m Crossharbour
122m Pan Peninsula west tower
111m Arrowhead Quay
110m Marsh Wall tower one

That's 8 towers over 100m, which by London's standards is phenomenal... and that's just the Docklands.

sorry for the confusion, thought there was gonna be a really huge boom in CW construction, hope they keep the heron quays design though, its always been my favorite of the 3.

I really like the design. It's such a prominent location that there needed to be something iconic like this building. Its scale is going to be massive!

Personally I think its really bland, completely unbefitting of the showpiece plot of CW. I preferred the earlier, slightly fussier design along these lines with the cross bracing (like Heron and HSBC Hong Kong). I also think from a massing point of view the north tower should be the taller one, so when viewed from the West they step up towards 1CS not away from it.

I think they are pretty bland but I disagree... stepping up away from 1CS adds a kind of asymmetry to CW which imo looks better than the symmetrical profile of the three tall CW towers when viewed from the west.

Apparently groundwork started recently on the project, a JCB was recently seen digging:)

From twogoodtwo in the UK forums last week:

"Dear all,

Having lurked for a while, thought I would give an update from where I am currently sitting (window of an office overlooking Riverside South).

There is currently 1 JCB digging a relatively big hole near the river with 2 men standing nearby. They have been digging smaller holes all day - look like surveyors to me but could be wrong."

The planning permission required that prior to construction Canary Wharf submits
the details in respect of the arrangements for the monitoring before and during
construction phase ... for the Black Redstart species of birds.

Pursuant to this condition, Canary Wharf has submitted its method statement
for monitoring the Black Redstart. CW asked for written confirmation that this
condition has satisfactorily been discharged.

Construction is thus imminent ... thanks to the cooperation of the Black Redstart.

So two towers, 1 of 214m and one of 189m should be under construction London in a month or two. And 122 Leadenhall (225m) should follow soone after:)

given in recent light, thank god anything is happening in london

I like the firt project posted very much; great addition for the Docklands...

Decent but not spectacular. Why does the City get more ambitious architecture than Canary Wharf? It should be the other way around since new towers in the City must be built on confined spaces, whereas in the Wharf, there are large, open sites.

Curious isn't it. It's almost as if just because it's a purpose built enviroment with little to no remaining visible history, it has to be sterile, and with every new development planned being sterile also. Why should it be modelled on the typical business park ethos? Maybe it isnt..

The City has tonnes of visible history, is more central....and has much more 'personality'. There is much more of sense that new architecture in the 'square mile' should be as bold and grand as what came before it. It seems as if the city is more open to variety of design when it comes to floorplates etc In maximising floorspace at Canary Wharf are they attempting to maximise their competitivity with the city?

This is all vague guesswork as I am no expert...pure novice...

One things for sure....Columbus would have done wonders for Canary Wharf...Just think what a very tall, tapering, 'spired' building would do.

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One things for sure....Columbus would have done wonders for Canary Wharf...Just think what a very tall, tapering, 'spired' building would do.

Has the Columbus Tower been cancelled? Wasn't it supposed to be residential?

hey LLoyd, I'd like some gum please, not that chinese stuff!!

an aerial posted today on skynews.com (giving a good impression of how HUGE the site is):

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1515967.jpg

There are loads of lorries arrivin so far - really digging now.

I can count 10 trucks on site now, lined up waiting to be filled.

214m and 189m towers now underway in Canary Wharf:)

I'm sure pictures will follow in a few days.

http://www.hilsonmoran.com/images/projects/25_large.jpg

http://www.excel-london.co.uk/en/img/assets/1047/FUT_CW-01.jpg

http://www.rsh-p.com/Asp/uploadedFiles/image/3410_Canary%20Riverside/design/3410_0140_1_stage_image.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/803CanaryWharfSkyline2010_pic1.jpg

In light of the tower towers starting I have made a new sketchup model for them:

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/download?mid=cadf68c1311ad462d5f1ba9b4d116acd&rtyp=lt&ctyp=other

Model here (http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=cadf68c1311ad462d5f1ba9b4d116acd)

Excellent!

Canary Wharf has submitted a new planning applications for Riverside South (JPM...The new client brief?). They confirm works are underway on site.

"The occupational and technical requirements of large financial institutions necessitate modifications to the existing approved design, whilst retaining the original principles of the development. These changes neccessitate updating of the architectural design."

"Canary Wharf has commissioned Rogers Stirk Harbour and Partners to revise the scheme".

"Total: 327,255 square meters (gross). The difference in are between the approved scheme and the new proposals arise largely as a result of increased plant area requirement which has increased by 36,420 sqm."

The tallest tower (RS1) is now 241.140 m AOD.

The new design:

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Height increase!!

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Height is now 236m, this will be the tallest in Canary Wharf:)

Excuse me?^^

It's not the tallest.

^^ How? It will not be the tallest AOD, as the ground 1cs is on is 3m higher, but it will be the tallest building.

I take it that has still got to be approved though? Looking at those pictures, seems like these buildings are gonna have quite a lot of detail going on. Think these have the pototential to be the best looking buildings on the estate.

Yes, they were approved, but they have been changed (The development now has over 3.5 million square feet) we believe this is for JPMorgan, who are now expected to be taking space here (though that has not been officialy announced). Onc they have planning permission, and if JPMorgan officialy announce their intentions, the Buildings can be classed as U/C, as work has already started:)

Will EH or Tower Hamlets Council oppose this now its gone back to planning? (its now taller than 1CS which is apparently a no-no) :ohno:

I expect that, because 1CS is on slightly higher ground, it will still be seen by Tower Hamlets as the pinnacle of the cluster. I doubt EH would be able to do much concerning Canary Wharf. I'm not sure even Ruth Kelly would risk cancelling a tall building in the densest tall building cluster in the country.

Consultation period ends 30th April BTW.

Lets pray nobody opposes it (I think the chances are minimal as ppl already assume this scheme is underway) Fingers crossed though!

I think we'll be alright:)

I preferred the last design, which in turn I thought was inferior to the original design... Its slowly getting worse!

You'd like to think that with 'the competition' (i.e. The City) beginning to build such groundbreaking designs, Canary Wharf might at least attempt to match them in quality...

I think it looks a little fatter, but more interesting/detailed. Plus I like the fact that the heights are morevarying now.

Keep in mind these are rather poor renders.

Also keep in mind that the reason the changes were made is to make it more marketable. By doing this they have likely secured construction of the towers:)

Plus, we will finally have a skyscraper taller than One Canada Square in the estate.

Wonder if that will start to cause any arguements about a building being taller and OCS no longer being the pinnacle..... that would be an interesting arguement for a taller building some time in the future.

Oh..... and just to clarify.... should we soon being saying the U.K's tallest building will soon be under construction? I assume the timetable will mean this will top out before any of the other projects that are in various stages of progress...?

For now, they can say that 1CS is talled AOD to appease TH/EH whatever, but in the future, say 10 years (maybe when City airport ease restrictions slightly) if they wanted to build a 240m-245m, they can use the fact that RS 1 is actually a taller building to help their case for the new tower:)

Oh..... and just to clarify.... should we soon being saying the U.K's tallest building will soon be under construction? I assume the timetable will mean this will top out before any of the other projects that are in various stages of progress...?

Yes, we should:)

The only taller buildings will be Bishopsgate and the Shard, and Heron is we count it's spire. Bishopsgate Construction will probably start at the same time as Riverside south. I don't know which will finish first though.

But anyway, none of the others are currently a the stage Riverside South is (actual digging on site for the tower basement) though we will have to leave it until JPMorgan announce their intentions and the new scheme is approved (late summer?) to start a proper construction thread.

By then it should be a REAL building site:)

Were they looking at letting out the entire complex or just one of the towers? Seems a bit big for any company to have the whole thing...? Still.... nice little catch if they do decide to go with it.

JP Morgan will take the podium and right hand (southern) tower. The left hand tower is a separate building.

I thought that would probably be the case. The other tower will give them plenty of space to let out. With that an the CP buildings, would imagine we wont see anything else too big going up for a while. Any news of any other big companies looking for some space that may spur on something else begin built?

^^ I think the Churchill buildings are all filled now? So the only thing Canary Wharf will have left for any company wanting to take a good chunk of space is RS tower 2.

If Crossrail isn't done by the time Canary Wharf is full again, will they push on with Heron Quays West before North Quay instead?

Edit: Regarding big companies looking for space, I believe News International are in talks with Canary Wharf to move their HQ there. Can anyone clarify?

^^ I think the Churchill buildings are all filled now? So the only thing Canary Wharf will have left for any company wanting to take a good chunk of space is RS tower 2.

30 The North Colonnade (300,000 sqft) is u/c speculatively but KPMG has an option to take 100,000 sqft. There are another 100,000 sq ft available in the Bearn Stearns headquarters now u/c and 25 Churchill is also available available as a prelet opportunity (400,000 sqft). The remainings buildings have been presold or prelet. As you said only RS can accomodate large requirements.

If Crossrail isn't done by the time Canary Wharf is full again, will they push on with Heron Quays West before North Quay instead?

That's also my understanding. North Quay could be delayed until 2015 as it cannot start construction before the new isle of dogs station for Crossrail is completed/

[Edit: Regarding big companies looking for space, I believe News International are in talks with Canary Wharf to move their HQ there. Can anyone clarify?

Yes. News International has been mulling a move to CW for years. But it was recently reported they had talks with CW to take 25 Churchill Place or 1CS as their new head office. BarCap is also understood to take the last available 300,000 sq ft at 40 Bank Street. Reuters is also looking for additional space in the estate and Bank of America is in talks with CW to relocate their current head office to a much bigger new purpose built office building in 2012, possibly at Heron Quay West.

Thanks Jef:)

That's also my understanding. North Quay could be delayed until 2015 as it cannot start construction before the new isle of dogs station for Crossrail is completed/



Is it also possible that certain elements of Wood Wharf can begin construction by the time the rest of the estate has been let? That surely would provide more flexibility in office accomodation available to clients than solely the large towers of HQW?

I'm suprised they havent looked in to something alternative to crossrail. The amount of thimes this gets put back and back and back, the group could be losing out on business in the long run.

Is there no possibility of a DLR extension and upgrade. Its a pretty average system at the mo that cant take a large amount of people like the tube. Someone should think of upgrading or replacing that maybe.... a lot of m,oney i'd expect

Well I happen to rather like the design :)

The towers design is a much improved version - though I'm not too sure about the podium - tho the bladerunner esque industrial feel sure is a bit of a turn from the current architecture there. Hope North quay designs are radically improved when they get the go-ahead also. HQW towers are good as they are, I guess they could come before North quay - if this railway station continues its usual setbacks?

Great panorama of the site, posted by Bruno -

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=12690978#post12690978

Thanks to Bruno for possibly the best update so far:)

:rock:

I like this design very much.

Update: The redesign with a height increase has been approved. :) Thread title needs renaming (236m).

These are two nicely designed towers that fit in so well with the Canary Wharf skyline.

What was on the site?

What was on the site?

Nothing special at all, just low density industrial stuff, like a junkyard or something.

does london really have a 1000ft height barrier?

sorry abit random but i didnt know that.

Well, considering the Shard will be 1,016 feet:)

The main reason for a cap on height is City Airport.

oh ok cos that was the main reason EH were not wanting shard

I think that's quite nice design. It not only fits to London skyline but also looks very modern. Office towers don't necessarily have to look futuristic. As long as there's space to work and they're high everything is ok.

Are those towers very far from the Central London?

they are about 200m from pan peninsula towers which is 3 miles from centre of london

A pic from OCS to give an overview of the site

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1324/1195593783_c5d1886f1a_o.jpg

so they have to take the water out of that hole before they start 'proper' construction?

No, it's a floating tower.

^^ Cool! :D










;)

Is there only water in the hole of the taller tower? Will they both start construction at the same time?

Was there a re-design because they aren't 236m and 189m. the main canary warf tower is 235m, and this is not as tall, quite a bit short

Was there a re-design because they aren't 236m and 189m. the main canary warf tower is 235m, and this is not as tall, quite a bit short

There was a redesign (well, mainly just a height increase), and this greatly increased the height of the taller tower, to 236m, which will make it the tallest building in the UK (if it is built before the Shard or the Pinnacle, which may be unlikely)

Basically, it went from this...

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/8a/400px-53RiversideSouthTower1_pic1.jpg

to this...

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(There are no 'good' renders of this new design yet)

Thanks Newcastle^^

No probs:)

Crikey these are vast :eek: I expect them to look far more prominent than the Bishopsgate Tower, but the BLT will draw in more eyes.

Plenty of activity today;

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^^
Looks very promising! :)

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its going to fit in so well there, cant wait to watch it go up!

This now has a tenant (a major one!), and is therefore certain to be built. :cheers:


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Songbird Estates PLC SBDB Release by Canary Wharf Group

01 August 2008

SONGBIRD ESTATES PLC

PRESS RELEASE BY MAIN OPERATING SUBSIDIARY

For the attention of shareholders in Songbird Estates plc and Canary Wharf
Group plc

Songbird Estates plc sets out an announcement which is today being
released by its subsidiary, Canary Wharf Group plc.

CANARY WHARF GROUP ENTERS INTO EXCLUSIVE TALKS TO BUILD NEW EUROPEAN HEADQUARTERS FOR JPMORGAN

Canary Wharf Group plc, the main operating subsidiary of Songbird Estates
plc, has today announced that it has entered into exclusive talks and
signed Heads of Terms with JPMorgan for the construction of a new European
headquarters.

The proposed headquarters building, to be located at Canary Riverside
South, will allow JPMorgan to consolidate employees in London from several
existing buildings and will provide accommodation for future growth.

Enquires:

Date: 01 August 2008

Paul Harris
Tulchan Communications
Tel: +44 (0) 20 7427 1569

This information is provided by RNS
The company news service from the London Stock Exchange

This is fantastic news, I'm chuffed that they're going to go forward with it.

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Smaller (but better) renderings. I believe the ones above were pulled from planning documents:

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http://www.imgpire.com/images/16cyxmu8mzkvgay2esz.jpg

Much better renders have been found. From http://www.teammacarie.com/index.php, posted by Gherkin007 and Monkey.

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This will be a very stunning addition to the London skyline!!:rock:^^

Glad to learn this trumps One Canada Square, which has never really impressed me as an area-tallest, if only because Pelli clearly ran out of ideas when he got to the top.

those new renders are stunning!

Glad to learn this trumps One Canada Square, which has never really impressed me as an area-tallest, if only because Pelli clearly ran out of ideas when he got to the top.

1 Canada Square was originally planned to be 10 floors taller. Prince Charles had it cut down.

New renders are amazing!

really like this building, especially how the towers aren't in line with each other.

Hating the beige+grey residential to the right of it though..

Hating the beige+grey residential to the right of it though..

You wouldnt if you owned one, this decision probably means residential property prices just jumped 10% in the surrounding area, given the demand thousands of new workers looking for a place to live close to work in the wharf will have.

AMAZING RENDERS!!!


Heavenly designed, no words for sush a piece of art!

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

this tower looks beautiful!!!:okay:

oh yes! 100% richard rogers :) gorgeous!

Dull draft.

this look so usual.
like any other tower.
I don't know wtf is so BEAUTIFUL and SPECIAL on this buliding:ohno:
anyway I like it.
It goes with other bulidings in London.:cheers:

An update of the site, posted by Chest. Not much progress, but at least it has a tenant now.


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Lobby/ entrance is looking very impressive. :drool:

What tower is that under construction in the background?

Glad to see this project underway. I remember first reading about it (as I'm sure many of us did) about 5-6 years ago. Renders give a very high-tech eco-friendly look about it all. BTW Sooo much better than the Rogers' scraper proposed for Sydney which looks like one of his works from the 80s.

Thanks for the update wj!

What tower is that under construction in the background?

the landmark 140m 98m

Cool! The Canary Wharf cluster is getting awesome!!!!! :applause:

update from today..the riverwall is now complete and they are digging down

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This is becoming an enormous hole! :eek:

great update :) huge hole

Glad to learn this trumps One Canada Square, which has never really impressed me as an area-tallest, if only because Pelli clearly ran out of ideas when he got to the top.

Pelli chose the pyramid for the crown because it was a shape/symbol that all cultures could relate to.

The top of One Canada Square is great!!!! Looks like an American scraper...

are they still only digging the hole or have piles for the buildings themselves been started on yet?

Why is this in the 'Proposed Skyscrapers?'
This has been under construction since August!

^^ Because they are just digging a hole

It is still technically U/C. Even the Shard is now U/C, and piling's only just started.

This is becoming an enormous hole! :eek:

haha looking at the situation on site at the mo, makes this post seem rather comical....apparently its some 70-80ft deep now.


Some shots from today.

I don't think these pictures convey the sheer size of this excavation - it's immense.

Well worth a visit.

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Interesting project, simple but not bad.

Mhm, not really sure if I like it. Design is ok, height is good but somehow it doesn't fit in CW for me but I'll w8 till it's finished to give any comment.
Anyway, it's good they are at least building some stuff in london ;).

One point to note: all the renders posted here show the towers thin-edge-on or at a slight angle. There's nothing that really gives an indication of their depth. They may be slender when seen from the front but appear somewhat slab-like when viewed side-on.

One point to note: all the renders posted here show the towers thin-edge-on or at a slight angle. There's nothing that really gives an indication of their depth. They may be slender when seen from the front but appear somewhat slab-like when viewed side-on.

I see what you mean but there ARE some renders which give the idea of how the side will be:

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PANO ->>>

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I think this will exceed Canada Square in height. CS=218M.

This is a great project. The whole area is becoming hyper modern and neat! I love it! Something similar is missing here in Germany. Maybe because of the small average size of the cities. The only city that would be big enough - Berlin - is too poor! :lol:

Too poor, eh? Surely not! ;)

Too poor, eh? Surely not! ;)

Hum, Berlin is the poorest capital of Western Europe with 30% of the pop living from social welfare! :nuts:

1 Canada Square is 235m. Riverside South 1 is 236m.

Hope it gets built soon.

Technically it is U/C, piling has been going on for ages. It should be drawing to a close soon, ready for basement construction.

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^^ so, it' s not "proposed" anymore :happy:

Awesome. One canada square won't be the tallest anymore :D How tall is one canada square again? 235m? At least it's not topping out anymore above all the other towers in canary wharf when this project is finished.

:banana: London rising! Great! :okay:

thread not activated for 2 months almost...

A welcome addition to the Canary Wharf cluster.

^^ so, it' s not "proposed" anymore :happy:
Correct. Piling has been going on for a while now, so I got the thread moved to this section.

nice

it´s a litle bit boxy...! the design is not modern at all, just a classic and functional building for a city that don´t need to call the attention with crazy arquitecture.

it´s a litle bit boxy...! the design is not modern at all, just a classic and functional building for a city that don´t need to call the attention with crazy arquitecture.

Well yes, but its Canary Wharf...

It'll definately add to the density and create a new pinnacle for other developments around it.

Updates by Chest
More photos in the London Construction Forum.

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Some fairly major progress recently. These pics are by eXSBass.


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Good to see them cracking away at this, the site is immense in scale. I can start to appreciate why they estimate it'll take them until the end of next of year before any real above ground construction.

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^^ the cranes are arriving.

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wow awesome

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Great,moving along.

Sunday, 11th October 2009.

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Concrete is being poured on the western side of the site.:cheers2:

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It should be rising soon!

It should be rising soon!

Long time yet dude basement construction will take around a year if i'm not mistaken.Look out for third or fourth quarter of 2010 it should rise around then if the decision is made to go forward

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Renders.

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Awesome design!

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by Nihil Dicit.

@ Portonuts: awsome renders, thanks for posting.

@ Portonuts: awsome renders, thanks for posting.

;)

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by Nihil Dicit.

I don't like it. It's too boxy. The Wharf looks too American and too much like NY.

Is any part of this pre-let or is it all on spec.? If so, London will have a lot of empty space in new buildings.

i belive JP Morgan are taking the entire space.

i belive JP Morgan are taking the entire space.

Yes,that is correct.

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by chest.

So many concrete lorries :banana:.

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by mole.

just: :eek2:

i've never seen anything like this in london. why isn't this sort of stuff in the news more.

^ Maybe because it's commercial. It's built by a private company (Canary Wharf Group) for a private company (J.P. Morgan). Most of the other big projects over the last decade have been projects that involve the general public more. Think of the new Wembley, Heathrow Terminal 5, Millennium Dome/O2, Tate Modern, Millennium Bridge, British Museum Great Court, Westfield, Channel Tunnel Rail Link/St Pancras, London Eye, 2012 Olympics, etc. They're all buildings/projects that Jo Public actually uses, and quite a few of them were government funded too. Furthermore, Riverside South is unrevolutionary in architectural terms, and also outside central London where big new buildings are most noticed. Even the Gherkin, which is also commercial and non-public, was more high profile because of its striking architecture, city centre location, and the controversies surrounding its planning permission. I think the Shard will attract more attention than Riverside South for these same reasons.

JPMorgan have confirmed that they will commence with the superstructure. They have submitted a planning application that would see a 4.5m height decrease to the middle building.

Very good news

The property department of JP Morgan has submited a planning applications for non-material changes: position of doors, refinements of trading lift design and structural designs, reduction in number of escalators, increase in number of stairs, insertion of means of fire fighting access, etc.

Worth noticing, the height of RS2 will decrease from 80.05 AOD (74.80 AGL) to 75.410 AOD (70.16 AGL) because of the omission of one trading floor resulting in a reduction of 12,838sqm. It will increase the soar factor of RS1 (height increase by 4 cm) and RS3.

In short: JPM has given its green light to proceed with the full construction of the super-structure. They have indicated to LBTH that they plan to occupy the three buildings (NB: they have fully bought Cazenove, previously a JV, which will be relocated to Canary Wharf Riverside South).

JPMorgan have confirmed that they will commence with the superstructure. They have submitted a planning application that would see a 4.5m height decrease to the middle building, and a 4cm height increase to the tallest building :D

:rofl:

:rofl:

I don't know if Jef was right or not, comparing the old plans to the new plans doesn't show an increase. I'm so disappointed :ohno:

I was laughing because a 4 cm increase is not even noticeable.

Don't worry about increases. These ones are going to be huge beasts! Just look at the size of the site.

I was laughing because a 4 cm increase is not even noticeable.

Don't worry about increases. These ones are going to be huge beasts! Just look at the size of the site.

And I was being sarcastic ;) I can't get upset over 4cm! :lol:

Montage made by gegloma01.

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I wonder if the 4cm height increase has been included on that? ;)

I wonder if the 4cm height increase has been included on that? ;)

Apparently this render includes that increase from what he said:nuts:.

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by chest.

A scheme by Clayduck.

Another update:


The third Tower Crane is up and functioning (the tallest on site now)
The fourth Tower Crane (in the NW corner) sections have started to arrive (already preassembled with 3 sections joined together)
The mobile crane is now on the riverside wall, not in the 'pit' of the site
A couple of diggers have taken a chunk out of the bottom of the ramp (The ramp is still pretty much there, but it doesn't look like they will be able to take the mobile crane down into the pit again)
They have started prepping a new basement segment in the NW part of the site against the riverside wall. Looks like it will also be 3m deep too (but starting from a higher base than the segments already poured)


I have tried (and probably failed) to update the progress on the site map - see below. The key to the diagram is:

White - basement segment already poured
Pink - basement segment prepped/soon to be poured
Blue - prop already installed
Red - approximate tower crane location

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by Nihil Dicit.

I'd love to see London get a few more big buildings, this is a good start :cool:

Today

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by chest.

The time hase come to errect the hole complex. :cheers:

got a diagram ready for you. tell me what you think and anyhting i need to add

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Unless there is a really dramatic difference in how high each building is above sea level, the smaller Riverside South tower should be smaller than 8 Canada Square - the smaller RS tower is 189m, 8CS is 200m.

Great diagram. :cheers2:

But surely the heights are inaccurate, it should be fixed.

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by Clayduck.

Today


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by chest.

There are a lot more workers on site this week, and a few things to report:


Most of the central section now has a thin layer of concrete
Rebar laying has begun at the Southern end of the central section
The remaining Southern berm is being excavated - earth is being removed using a huge claw attached to a crawler crane
The berm against the Northern wall is being excavated in a very painstaking way - the earth is moved to a little tipper on the North Tower basement slab, which then moves it to the Southern side of the slab and drops it off the end. This is then moved by digger to the base of the old ramp where it is lifted by two more diggers into the waiting trucks. Fortuantely the Northern berm is quite small, because this is going to take ages.


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by Nihil Dicit.

Comparing the size of the site of RS with the Shard and Heron Tower construction sites it is hard to comphrehend how massive this complex will be. Indeed scarily big - when it rises i don't think londoners will know what has hit them!

Don't forget this one is going to have 3 buildings, two of them are skyscrapers. So it really needs this big site.

Still going to make a massive impact. The taller building has a higher roof height than Heron Tower after all!

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by mole.

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by Mr Angers.

Today

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by Clayduck.

Londoners aren't going to know where to look when this and the Shard are battling for control of the skies :| one the tallest of the country and the other one of (if not the) biggest office building to date?! :D

Today in the FT:

JP Morgan Chase is launching a new global corporate banking unit, pitting the US bank against Citigroup an HSBC. Initial focus is on fast-growing economies (China, India, Brazil) and UK, Germany, and Switzerland. The new business will be based in London. JP Morgan would invest more than $100m and hire hundreds of bankers. The move is also aimed at reducing reliance on the slow-growing US economy.

Good news :cheers2:.

Concrete keeps being poured.

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by Clayduck.

The lorries queuing.

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by mole.

Excellent updates by Clayduck. :cheers:

This corner is nearly fully excavated now. Even more fresh concrete in evidence. I had forgotton that the NE corner of the site doesn't have a full 3m basement segment - it seems to be more like 1m deep. I have no idea why! There are some newly installed horizontal white steel props supporting the wall on the North side of the Jubilee line access shaft
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Another basement segment being poured today. I think that the Southern section might also be poured tomorrow (the concrete pumps on the Southern end of the site looked ready for action when I walked past the site on my way home). The site was an absolute hotbed of activity today - I'd never seen so many people on site at once!
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looking at clayducks last picture with all those antlike men in yellow jackets busy working away on this site you d have no clue that there still hung a question mark over its future!! amazing amount of activity!!!

Today, scroll >>>>>

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by mole.

That's one enormous hole! :eek: :eek2:

That's what she said.

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. ;)

But I do agree, it's a massive site, with good progress going on! Thanks for all the photos! :cheers:

From today:

Lots of rebar underneath the bridge - this will be the next segment to be poured.
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The last segment in the centre section was poured today. Also note the last piece of steelwork going in against the Jubilee shaft - they have changed the colour scheme - this last piece is gray.
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First slab seen to be ready.

Its time to rise to street level.

Lots of activity today. The central section is now complete.

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by Clayduck.

I think the construction technique in London is quite unique, Ive neva seen so many piles below the ground during the foundationing

I think the construction technique in London is quite unique, Ive neva seen so many piles below the ground during the foundationing

Probably due to the very poor soil conditions under London, its not very suited to skyscraper construction.

Cities like New York have are on a solid layer of bedrock, London is on a soft, marsh like ground.

Hence the huge number of piles needed in most London towers.

...And now I ask no more.

nice,,,

Good updates by Clayduck.

Another segment was poured today - another spider-like image
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They are preparing to pour a concrete band around the jubilee line shaft that the lower level of props will push against (I believe). They have excavated a massive amount of dirt over the last few days. I think that the excavation will be finished in a couple of weeks.
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I have also updated the map as best as I can. The Northern end of the basement slab is nearly complete. I'm fairly sure that the next part to be poured will be the Southern end (when we will have to guess which segment is being poured, because it isn't possible to see clearly - maybe Mole will get a chance to take a shot to fill in the gaps).
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Today:

by Clayduck.

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Update please !!:bow::master:

Update please !!:bow::master:

Nothing to update...its still a hole in the ground, and will be for months to come...

Update please !!:bow::master:

Here you are!

Some more concrete was poured this morning. I can't quite figure out what was going on, because when I passed by this evening they weren't pouring and the segment wasn't complete.

The empty segment along the river wall is a swimming pool today - lots of dark green water. yuck. And they already laid the rebar, so goodness knows how they will get it all out.

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Update please !!:bow::master:

The London Thread is updated nearly daily so check that out:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=408708&page=186

Been ages since this thread saw any update, so I followed connorwilliams' advice and went to the thread he linked to, here's one of the latest updates from over there, June 20th, by chest:

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Public/P1030861.JPG

Thanks

Not much activity there, unfortunately.

At least the site looks neat and cleaner now. :cheers:

Not much activity there, unfortunately.

The progress is a big FAIL !!!

Stunning updates !!!

It's a shame that Canary Wharf has such boring buildings since the City has such nice ones.

Is there a tenant for these towers?

s there a tenant for these towers?

JP Morgan Investment Bank

it's not sure yet, if jp morgan is going to take the tower.

hasn't construction stopped recently anyway?

Thanks for your replies. I thought that JPM was waiting to see what the UK does with respect taxation, etc. before deciding where to make its European HQ.

Thanks for your replies. I thought that JPM was waiting to see what the UK does with respect taxation, etc. before deciding where to make its European HQ.

I think that after all this time nobody knows what JP Morgan actually wants. There was something about they giving up on this project because of the taxes, then somebody from the company said they had never said such a thing, and I suppose nobody really knows what they are waiting for.

But if built, the tenant is going to be JP Morgan.

Thanks.

Thanks for your replies. I thought that JPM was waiting to see what the UK does with respect taxation, etc. before deciding where to make its European HQ.

Businesses always complain but then they adjust.

It's a shame that Canary Wharf has such boring buildings since the City has such nice ones.

They may not be the most exciting buildings in the world, but what I think CW is trying to achieve is the massiveness factor by building boxy buildings (clean lines, blue glass), because it has the space needed for that. They want to fill more than half of the Isle of Dogs with skyscrapers in a few decades.

Whereas the City has proved to be the contrary: a place for daring skyscraper architecture, controversial designs and experiments. Besides, with Bishopgate, Walkie-Talkie and Leadenhall built, there won't be much more places for skyscrapers there, unless they start demolishing more, which wouldn't be too good either.

An aerial view of the site:

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Source: Deepgreen2009 (flickr) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepgreen2009/4777335342/)