I just had an idea, instead of these 3 akward looking, all glass buildings, designed by three different architects, why not two freedom towers. I have no problem with the design of the Freedom tower, it is the same height as the original. If there was another with out the spire placed next to it and the other buildings (Foster, Maki) were history, It wouldn't look bad at all IMO. What do you guys think?

Good idea, but it's not a new idea and it's not likely at all. :(

i been imagining it since the freedom tower was redesigned.

I know. All 3 of those other WT Tower look awful together.

if you search the freedom tower forums, you'll find quite a few amature designs where they doubled up on the FT design. Its a shame that amatures can get it so right and the professionals can get it so wrong!

Could be nice !

Hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!

What is a hypocrite? What is the pure description of the word?

It describes someone who doesn't particularly like someone or something, but they WILL go along with it as long as it evokes or tends to replace something of equal value or stature.

Sorry to have to say this, but I call a spade a spade. Some of you detest, dispise and hate the Freedom Tower with a passion something fierce, but oh, wait a minute.

Two Freedom Towers would be nice because it would almost appear as though the Twins were rebuilt. What a very brilliant idea!!! I never thought of that before!!

Hypocrites, hypocrites, hypocrites are what some of you are!!!

The term, "Twin Towers" was a term created in New York in the early seventies upon the completion of the World Trade Center.

I think it is only smart to building another Freedom Tower.

If any of you hated the Freedom Tower from the very beginning, didn't have a change of heart with it, STILL hate it even now, then you suddenly began to realise that the Twins won't be rebuilt, but you'd gladly jump for joy at the thought of TWO Freedom Towers possibly being built to evoke the missing Twins, in my book, that makes you a hypocrite.

Because the way that I see it, is that you only want two Freedom Towers to satisfy your own selfishness and greed for something to evoke the missing Twins and make you at least FEEL like the
Twins are there!!

But another one we won't get anyway, so you're just wasting your breath.

If you hated the Freedom Tower, hated it from the very beginning, and STILL hate it but you want TWO of them built to evoke the missing Twins, in my book, that makes you a hypocryte.

But another one we won't get anyway, so you're just wasting your breath.

If we're all hypocrytes, then get the @#$% off the site and find somewhere else to spew your bullshit!!!

No!! Haha!!

And I did not say that ALL of you are hypocrites. Only those who hate the tower, but want two.

I'm telling it to you just like it is, and if you don't like it, guess what? Tough titty says the kitty!!!!

The nerve and the audacity of some of you not only hating the tower, but you'd gladly accept TWO of them to evoke the missing Twins. That is lowdown dirty and dispicable!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

No!!!!!!!

And I did not say that ALL of you are hypocrytes. Only those who hate the tower, but want two.

I'm telling it to you just like it is, and if you don't like it, guess what? Tough titty says the kittie!!!!

The nerve and the audacity of some of you not only hating the tower, but you'd gladly accept TWO of them to evoke the missing Twins. That is dispicable!!!!!

I think it's just more of a dislike of a single tower, rather than hating the design.

You might be right, but we're all just gonna have to get over it and move on.

Two towers that look the same in height or design just isn't in the cards, and the sooner everyone realises that, well, the better off everyone will be.

Trust me, this new design is not meant to look at all like the former design. No way, shape or form. The towers planned are all going to look different from each other.

I dont really want twin Freedom Towers. I think I prefer what they are building.

I just think that it's wrong, ridiculous, repulsive and dispicable for haters of the Freedom Tower to complain because TWO of them aren't being built.

This, to me, is called absolutely and stubbornly being greedy because all some want is to see something there that might possibly evoke or somehow fill the void left by the Twins being gone and to them, the Freedom Tower would only look nice if TWO were built, not just one!!

If these haters of the tower don't like one, then what gives them the nerve, the right and the audacity to want TWO of them built?

I just think that it's wrong, ridiculous, repulsive and dispicable for haters of the Freedom Tower to complain because TWO of them aren't being built.

This, to me, is called absolutely and stubbornly being greedy because all some want is to see something there that might possibly evoke or somehow fill the void left by the Twins being gone and to them, the Freedom Tower would only look nice if TWO were built, not just one!!

If these haters of the tower don't like one, then what gives them the nerve, the right and the audacity to want TWO of them built?



I think you have successfully repeated that opinion about 7 times

I think I've seen repeated statements from some members wanting two Freedom Towers.

What are you impplying? That it's friggen ok for them to say that they want two Freedom Towers many times, but if I object to it equally as much, I'm wrong?

If you haven't figured it out by now, haters of the tower shouldn't be asking for two of them. That is all.

come on lads, lets keep our hair on it's nothing to burst a blood vessel over now is it?
personally, i think 3 or more would look pretty good. imo...

If you like it in the first place, yes.

But the officials aren't even goining to let a 2nd Freedom Tower be built, much less 3 or more.

^^ relax man :cheers1:

In the movie "Click" there appeared to be 2 Freedom Towers.

In the movie "Click" there appeared to be 2 Freedom Towers.

Fuck the stupid Freedom Tower:evil:

Which looked something like this

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8430/twinfreedomom9.png

That same pic was posted in one of the WTC threads over at SSP.

i think that it looks pretty good, but we can't get greedy

Which looked something like this

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8430/twinfreedomom9.png



Has anyone seen the new version of The Omen?

In the opening scene, some people are watching short clips of disasters. One
of them was of 09-11 when Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower and the tower falling.

The other clips were from the tsunami disaster and Hurricane Katrina.

And 7 WTC appeared many times in Superman Returns.

I know why there shouldn't be 2 towers:

Because the Freedom Tower, despite being the 'centre piece' of the project, is probably the worst design there. Even the concourse terminal beats it architecturally IMO.

*Hisses* My friend Rich (who lives in NYC) told me about this. Last year. One is bad enough.

There's also a small clip on one or more of the websites where Spiderman 1
has Spiderman making a giant webb between the old Twin Towers to save a chopper in distress.

This footage was not shown in the movie. It was editted out because of the 09-11 terror attacks.

But we do at one point see the reflection of the twin towers in his eyepieces.

Yes.

I have the movie on DVD and missed that part.

I just think that it's wrong, ridiculous, repulsive and dispicable for haters of the Freedom Tower to complain because TWO of them aren't being built.

This, to me, is called absolutely and stubbornly being greedy because all some want is to see something there that might possibly evoke or somehow fill the void left by the Twins being gone and to them, the Freedom Tower would only look nice if TWO were built, not just one!!

If these haters of the tower don't like one, then what gives them the nerve, the right and the audacity to want TWO of them built?

What people needs its to see the two tower because its a symbol of the place itself. Its not for selfishing :lol: its only that! a symbol, maybe a relative or son or mother or father of one of the many persons who died that day can explain you why there should be TWO.

Its too easy to say "get over, its past, accept it!! Its going to be just ONE".
But for them is not that way! They were the NYC symbol and it should remain like that!

heres a rendering of the 2 FT concept that floated around a few months back. If you ask me, it would be a very good idea. The FT design is not bad at all if it was doubled up with one antenna like WTC. And for me, I think it would please the proponants of rebuilding the WTC and at the same time, giving it a little bit of a modern look.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f368/AirJay78/untitled-1.jpg

What people needs its to see the two tower because its a symbol of the place itself. Its not for selfishing :lol: its only that! a symbol, maybe a relative or son or mother or father of one of the many persons who died that day can explain you why there should be TWO.

Its too easy to say "get over, its past, accept it!! Its going to be just ONE".
But for them is not that way! They were the NYC symbol and it should remain like that!



Well, guess what?

I would hate to burst your bubble, but you know what the outcome is, and for some of you to say that the tower should be twinned, I don't know what else to tell you, except that you're grabbing at straws.:ohno:

^^
Well the only thing is that something most be builded and soon!!!
That space all dusted its getting awful!!!

Time heals all wounds, and for you to say that, it is like a blessing in disquise. The revitalized wait will be well worth it.

I'm really sure! I do!

Fuck the stupid Freedom Tower:evil:



Oh. So does that mean that you won't be waiting in front of me in line to buy a ticket to the obs deck? Haha!!:lol:

I know why there shouldn't be 2 towers:

Because the Freedom Tower, despite being the 'centre piece' of the project, is probably the worst design there. Even the concourse terminal beats it architecturally IMO.



Can you design and build something better?

And don't say the Twins either.

the concept I posted up top is a wonderful design. as for the FT, its not a bad design... however, it just needs a twin because by itself, its way too simple. Even the old WTC.... if it was only 1 tower, it would of looked awfull!!!

with a twin, it would make it unique again like WTC once was. And the design of FT is far better than an individual tower from WTC.

Yeah, would have been great.


http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7392/19toweca0190cj2.jpg


http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/3989/freedomtower3ze9.jpg

Minoru Yamasaki's words for the old WTC taken from Greatbuildings.com

"I feel this way about it. World trade means world peace and consequently the World Trade Center buildings in New York ... had a bigger purpose than just to provide room for tenants. The World Trade Center is a living symbol of man's dedication to world peace ... beyond the compelling need to make this a monument to world peace, the World Trade Center should, because of its importance, become a representation of man's belief in humanity, his need for individual dignity, his beliefs in the cooperation of men, and through cooperation, his ability to find greatness."

— Minoru Yamasaki

Great words from a great architect.

I am sorry, but i dont see how the "freedom tower" reflects those values. In my opinion, building that thing is like admiting that the terrorists won.

Get over it. Deal with it. That's the way that it is.

I am sorry, but i dont see how the "freedom tower" reflects those values. In my opinion, building that thing is like admiting that the terrorists won.

And why are you saying that? I understand, it's your opinion, but try to sustain it with arguments.

I agree, the project could be better. Any project of any sort could be better. There's always room for improvement, but let's not get that pumped up over this. The Twins are gone. I always thought they should build twin towers again, but after seeing the project and thinking a bit, I'm at peace with just one tower. You know why? To me, now, building two towers is like trying to mimic, to copy The Twins of WTC, and let's face it - they're gone forever. Why not preserve their memory and the memories of 9/11 victims and admit that that's just the way things are? Those people are not coming back, and neither the buildings. I look back, contemplate that moment in time then look straight forward into the future. You don't have to live in the past, just don't forget it. Remember the past and build towards the future.

Yeah, my message is a bit metaphorical and abstract, but it translates well into concrete meanings.

the twins are only gone when u decide to make them gone! Its not like a life... we can bring it back if we want to. The louder the voices are, the more of a chance we have of seeing them again. And even if we dont see them again, at least the history channel would need to a add a long piece about NYers resistance to FT in its documentary along with all arguments. If we stay silent, then we dont do our own history justice...

Sure you can build them back if you like, didn't say you coudn't. But should you? That was my point. I think it's better this way. It's not about what you can or can't do, it's not even about what you'd like to do... it's about what you should do. That's the way I see it, and I'll say it again... I wanted new twins a few years back, but have thought about it and changed my pov.

the twins are only gone when u decide to make them gone! Its not like a life... we can bring it back if we want to. The louder the voices are, the more of a chance we have of seeing them again. And even if we dont see them again, at least the history channel would need to a add a long piece about NYers resistance to FT in its documentary along with all arguments. If we stay silent, then we dont do our own history justice...



And umm, how do you propose to do this, hmm?

Hire Superman so that he can spin around the globe backward a few times in order to bring us back to the time before 09-11?:lol:

What would you prefer just two Freedom Towers and not the group proposed now, or the current plans?

I think there's a strong desire here to see anything Twin on the site.

But I think you know as well as the rest of us, that only ONE Freedom Tower is going there.

the powers that be can just decide that the twins are the best option for NYC. I mean, the people already do. And if the original twins held their own once financially, then I'm sure a twin FT would do just fine in the long run. I'm not stubbornly against the FT like talb is, I just dislike the design and think that this special spot deserves more bang... something people can look at in amazment and say, "YES, this is what americans can do when we put our mind to it." But this design... ahh!

But u know... Buildings like what will replace WTC I think are hard to make unique and creative without making them extremely radical. Twin buildings on the other hand are the right touch that makes it different than anything else in the US, and in the world for that matter. That to me is what made WTC so special.... boxy and ugly lookin yes.... but as twins, they were magnificant...

ok, I'm done preeching... lol

What would you prefer just two Freedom Towers and not the group proposed now, or the current plans?

I think there's a strong desire here to see anything Twin on the site.

i say twin freedom towers with nicer bases and, ofcourse, a spire on only the north tower. the footprint memorials and transit hub stay, while 5wtc is foster's tower with a more symmetrical crown. - some paint here, spackle there and BLAM, the new WTC!

i say twin freedom towers with nicer bases and, ofcourse, a spire on only the north tower. the footprint memorials and transit hub stay, while 5wtc is foster's tower with a more symmetrical crown. - some paint here, spackle there and BLAM, the new WTC!

sounds like a plan if u ask me... lets get started :lol:

the powers that be can just decide that the twins are the best option for NYC. I mean, the people already do. And if the original twins held their own once financially, then I'm sure a twin FT would do just fine in the long run. I'm not stubbornly against the FT like talb is, I just dislike the design and think that this special spot deserves more bang... something people can look at in amazment and say, "YES, this is what americans can do when we put our mind to it." But this design... ahh!

But u know... Buildings like what will replace WTC I think are hard to make unique and creative without making them extremely radical. Twin buildings on the other hand are the right touch that makes it different than anything else in the US, and in the world for that matter. That to me is what made WTC so special.... boxy and ugly lookin yes.... but as twins, they were magnificant...

ok, I'm done preeching... lol



I wouldn't mind twin Freedom Towers, but try convincing the officials that it should be done. They don't want a twinned anything!

sounds like a plan if u ask me... lets get started :lol:

i'll print some t-shirts and posters, you round up the strippers for our demonstration booth on trinity place. :lol:

its a shame too cuz twins are the one thing in design and contruction that hasnt been played out yet...

i'll print some t-shirts and posters, you round up the strippers for our demonstration booth on trinity place. :lol:

k... I'll get into my construction get up and rip my sleeves off for da ladies.... opps, I mean strippers

honey, again............. A JOKE!!!



sorry guys, my wife reads this stuff:lol:

In the movie Click starting Adam Sandler there is a short shot of the New WTC, which shows the FT with two of them. It looked amazing, too bad it wont ever happen.

2 FT's def look better than 1.

It looks great with two towers. It is kind of how the old World Trade Center would look like if it was built today. Also, it gives it a sense of rebirth. If you know what I mean.

In the movie Click starting Adam Sandler there is a short shot of the New WTC, which shows the FT with two of them. It looked amazing, too bad it wont ever happen.

Got a screenshot?

Here's your other Freedom Tower, located over 12000 miles away...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=442354

Designed by the same company but the it was made pre 9/11.

i've always supported the concept of the twin freedom towers only because its a pretty design.

The original WTC.... yea, an arguement can be made that they were an ugly 70s boxy design that now because of their demise, an opportuity has come forth for something new. And the FT concept in glass is nice... But there are a lot of "nice" "regular" buildings out there, and that in itself doesnt make them special. A Twin FT design would of kept it the spirit of WTC alive, keep it fresh and most of all, still unique to anything we have in this country or around the world for that matter... And it would silence the critics who r against rebuilding WTC because of the old design being ugly, plain, and boxy

*many posts deleted*

This is ridiculous...

THANK U!

i've always supported the concept of the twin freedom towers only because its a pretty design.

The original WTC.... yea, an arguement can be made that they were an ugly 70s boxy design that now because of their demise, an opportuity has come forth for something new. And the FT concept in glass is nice... But there are a lot of "nice" "regular" buildings out there, and that in itself doesnt make them special. A Twin FT design would of kept it the spirit of WTC alive, keep it fresh and most of all, still unique to anything we have in this country or around the world for that matter... And it would silence the critics who r against rebuilding WTC because of the old design being ugly, plain, and boxy



It might sound like a good idea, but it's the officials who are stubbornly not budging. No one's fault here for wanting that concept. I would have liked to see it also, but....,

This can more accurately be described as another case of a pandering to the 09-11 relatives, some of who had any hopes for the original towers, or anything like this canned. Their complaint is anything that even comes close or remotely close to what was there before, they don't want it.

Thus why even the WCC plan was also shot down because that, in and of itself, had evoked the Twins.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but it's true. And I did not keep saying that to rub salt in peoples' eyes, but we really are forced to go along with the final outcome of what their plans are.

Whether we want it or not. You can get mad at me, or you can take it as is, but sad to say, this is the real deal. And the closest we'll ever see that is in the movie Click, which I still have not watched yet, BTW.

hey, did anyone notice the WTC in the movie borat when he was walking around manhattan? Its funny because aside from the movie's stupidity, I believe it was themed post 9/11... could be wrong tho

Haven't seen it yet.

hey, did anyone notice the WTC in the movie borat when he was walking around manhattan? Its funny because aside from the movie's stupidity, I believe it was themed post 9/11... could be wrong tho

??? Borat was filmed after 9/11.

I saw the new 7WTC, but not the original ones... where are you looking?

7 WTC appeared in Superman Returns and the tower has also been in a few TV commercials.

The original Twins were in the first Superman movie when Christopher Reeve flew Margot Kidder over them at night. They also appered in Superman 2. They were on the box cover for VHS and DVD's, but now, they have been taken off the cover!! So sad.

I still have the one with them on the cover. Lucky me!!

^^what's the point of deleting history? i don't frigging understand...

Doesn't anyone understand that they are not going back that way any more?

It's not feasable, nor is it economicale. Not to mention bringing back painful memories of 09-11 and all the death and destruction that was caused back then.

Doesn't anyone understand that they are not going back that way any more?

It's not feasable, nor is it economicale. Not to mention bringing back painful memories of 09-11 and all the death and destruction that was caused back then.

Building Two Towers again it's like saying "You know what? You can't beat my a**!! you destroy two... I'll give you three more like those!!!".

That's what people wants!

If you build just one, is considered weak! A big weakness!


Of course, its not what I think, but this is what people around me.... think!

Get over it. Accept the one tower and be happy. It's not about what WE want. It's about what THEY want and what we're gonna get.

For the life of me, I don't understand this. Most of you hate the tower, but you'd gladly jump up for joy at the thought of TWO being built to evoke the missing Twins.

I've stated the reason above, so I'm not going to repeat it. Deal with it.

Get over it. Accept the one tower and be happy.

For the life of me, I don't understand this. Most of you hate the tower, but you'd gladly jump up for joy at the thought of TWO being built to evoke the missing Twins.

I've stated the reason above, so I'm not going to repeat it. Deal with it.

well then u "deal with it" then... when people express what they dislike or simply just discuss the issue. Because frankly, its tiring to see u add these silly @$$ comments like your a 3 year old!

Get over it. Accept the one tower and be happy.

For the life of me, I don't understand this. Most of you hate the tower, but you'd gladly jump up for joy at the thought of TWO being built to evoke the missing Twins.

I've stated the reason above, so I'm not going to repeat it. Deal with it.

You are right! Only one will be made, but people is hard on it.
They have to face it...! There's no way two towers will be raised it up again!

Get over it. Accept the one tower and be happy.

For the life of me, I don't understand this. Most of you hate the tower, but you'd gladly jump up for joy at the thought of TWO being built to evoke the missing Twins.

I've stated the reason above, so I'm not going to repeat it. Deal with it.

I'm not going to be happy with anything they build in all honesty. I miss my skyline the way it was and although I'm glad to see development nothing they build there will ever fill it. You obviously didn't have as memorable experience as I did on 9/11, so how about you back off a little bit and maybe figure the very personal sentiments into the equation.

Cover the whole site in a huge parking lot for all I care, I'm not going to enjoy it either way.

By the way, Boston? And you're raising hell in the New York forum? Maybe you should go to the Boston forum and bitch about your HIDEOUS Prudential Tower or that barren slab of stone at 600 Atlantic Ave. Giving New York a lecture on architecture, you've got to be kidding me.

well then u "deal with it" then... when people express what they dislike or simply just discuss the issue. Because frankly, its tiring to see u add these silly @$$ comments like your a 3 year old!



Oh. What? Don't like being told to get over it, you two? Dudes, have YOU looked in the mirrer lately?

Yeah, as I said before, it would be wonderful and nice if they would do that, but they're not, so, like Janet Jackson's song, that's the way love goes. Why keep on trying to complain it into existance?

And this tiresome ranting and raving for something that won't happen is NOT acting like a little boy? A controversial self-centered spoiled and selfish one at that? Your ridiculous rants are just falling on deaf ears.

And as for you telling me to "deal with it"?, Dudes, I've long ago dealt with and have gotten over the fact that the Twins or anything remotely similar to them are not being built. You're in denial and you just don't want to let it go.

I was just like you guys. I hated being told to get over it multiple times when I was a Twin Towers advocate. And now you guys need to do the same thing. You aready know the outcome, so why keep beating up on a dead horse?

Your best bet along with others might be to find another cause. The planned NWTC is now etched in stone, signed sealed and delivered.

Stop whining for something that you know is a pipe dream because that is just exactly what this is; A PIPE DREAM. One that is the biggest this side of the universe. Wallow in it.:lol::ohno:

I just realized that u dont post a thing anywhere else except for here! Even talb doesnt exclusively drum the same beat on the flip side... u seriously need to chill, grow some passion for your own city, and stop repeating post over and over and over! Your not even from here and your annoying the $H*T out of this forum!

But I'm sure u'll just ignore this and continue reiterating ur annoying words on how twins will never happen, HAHAHAHA! :ohno:

I just realized that u dont post a thing anywhere else except for here! Even talb doesnt exclusively drum the same beat on the flip side... u seriously need to chill, grow some passion for your own city, and stop repeating post over and over and over! Your not even from here and your annoying the $H*T out of this forum!

But I'm sure u'll just ignore this and continue reiterating ur annoying words on how twins will never happen, HAHAHAHA! :ohno:



Guess what? WRONG ANSWER - AGAIN!

It never ceases to amaze me about the fact that you seem so totally oblivious to what's been going on. I'm laughing and having a ball even as I write this post!

You're just one ball of energy, saying that I never post anywhere but here, yet all the time you're just ASSUMING that I don't. And you know what happens to little boys who assume. They make an ass out of themselves. I won't even dignify that one with an answer.

In other words, you're saying that I should just mind my own business and keep my concerns within the city in which I live, right? Guess what? WRONG ANSWER - AGAIN!

I plan to go there and visit the Freedom Tower when it's completed. Tell me that I'm not allowed to do that. If you do, then guess what? WRONG ANSWER - AGAIN!

I'm repeating myself over again? Guess what? WRONG ANSWER - AGAIN! You airheads just can't seem to get it through your heads that you are just wasting your time complaining for a lost cause.

And I suppose that you're NOT annoying. Guess what? WRONG ANSWER - AGAIN!

TalB doesn't repeat himself over and over? Guess what? WRONG ANSWER - AGAIN! He just repeated again for the thousanth time that the Freedom Tower supposedly still has no tenants and that its costs will go up next year! Grow up and realise that it's not about you guys and what you want. It's about EVERYONE! You & TalB; Boy! What a piece of work you two are. Birds of a feather flock together.

How many times do I have to keep on declaring you wrong? Therefore, I will no longer respond to your idiocy.

Oh. And umm, BTW, guess what? The Twins will NEVER happen again. JUST BASICALLY GET OVER IT!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

^^ daquan, while i find myself agreeing with a few of the things you stress, being condescending and just plain irritating is definitely not the way you should go about getting those points across; especially when you're a damn bostonian talking shit to a bunch of new yorkers about the trade center. :lol: nawmean?

by the way, this is the same thing you were doing in talb's twin tower advocacy thread. if you don't like the idea of two freedom towers in the TWO FREEDOM TOWERS THREAD, just see your way out of it. simple as that, guy.

Oh. And umm, BTW, guess what? The Twins will NEVER happen again.

until someone in dubai decides to build them.

^^ hahaha, the SAD truth

New York Mantle;

Yeah, and you've never bashed the FT in ITS own threads, right? Yeah, right! Yes, I used to fight with TalB in the other advocacy thread, but so did you fight with me, just like you're doing now.

I've changed my ways about TalB and have apoligized to him for that.

Not trying to fight with you or get o/t, but I think that you got your wires crossed, dude.

When or where on earth did you ever read any post of mine that suggests I don't like the idea of two Freedoms Towers? Hmm?

Never, b/c I never once said that! There you go again, assuming. How many times do I have to tell you that you know what happens when you assume?

Ayway, I think I made it clear to EVERYONE that I like the idea. But you know as well as I do why we won't get them. I'm not going into that again.

And just for the record, I've also said this; That it matters none if I live in Las Vegas or Fort Myers, I'm going to speak on the WTC.

So, I'm a damn Bostonian, as you put it. So what? Got a problem with that? Deal with it.

i wrote up a long and reasonably well thought out rant, but realized it was kind of unnecessary and would make this more of an argument, which wouldn't be good for anyone. just ease up and try not to be so 'in your face, deal with this and that' with everyone. that's all i'm saying.

by the way, i was kidding about the damn bostonian thing; hence the smiley.

Get over it. Accept the one tower and be happy.

For the life of me, I don't understand this. Most of you hate the tower, but you'd gladly jump up for joy at the thought of TWO being built to evoke the missing Twins.

I've stated the reason above, so I'm not going to repeat it. Deal with it.

i actually completely forgot that you did like the twin freedom tower idea (i had to re-read the first page), but assumed otherwise because of this post. can you really blame me?

Thank you. I won't beat up on a dead horse though.

Well, like I said, you were quick to assume. I won't rub it in though, but I know what I said and didn't say.

As I also said, I'd like the idea. But seriously, if anyone is this much upset because this idea doesn't quite hit home with the officials, THEY'RE the ones who should be scorned.

Or better yet, the families who went to Pataki and had asked him not to let the former towers or anything similar to them be rebuilt.

I've stopped fighting with TalB and I'm no longer going to fight with anyone else. If someone fights or argues with me, I'll just send a pm to a moderator and let them take care of it.

It's not worth getting all hot headed over anyway, because regardless, the officials have the last word anyway. So no matter what is said, it's just useless to fight over.

Oh. And umm, BTW and in case you were wondering, that long and reasonably well thought out well-placed rant came to me in an e-mail from the form. Hahahaha!!!! Nothing gets past me! Very little if anything!:lol::lol::lol::):cheers: