This forum is called "UK & Ireland Skyscraper Forums", but there isn't any irish subforum.

How do you explain that?

I dont think there is the Demand, or Supply too warrant a Irish Subthread

I think there is a forum called Archiseek or something like that which caters for for Irish people.

This forum is called "UK & Ireland Skyscraper Forums", but there isn't any irish subforum.

How do you explain that?

Why would there be an Irish sub-forum? There's no UK sub-forum either. All the fora cover both UK & Ireland matters (apart from the city-specific ones in Projects & Construction) - so if you want to talk about, for example, Irish stadia, post in Cultural & Sporting Venues.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=305784

There are threads on Dublin, Belfast and Cork in the projects and construction general area,threads on the new Landsdowne Road etc in Sporting and Cultural and there are posts regarding Dublin's new Metro System in the transport section.

The Irish are more than welcome here, although it should be remembered that Southern Ireland only has a population of 4 million, and that much of the country and population is rural.

Northern Ireland has a population of 1.5 million, with only Belfast as a major international city.

Belfast is currently undergoing massive change, including some very unique building projects, whilst Dublin and Cork in the south also have some interesting projects.

There are threads on Dublin, Belfast and Cork in the projects and construction general area,threads on the new Landsdowne Road etc in Sporting and Cultural and there are posts regarding Dublin's new Metro System in the transport section.

The Irish are more than welcome here, although it should be remembered that Southern Ireland only has a population of 4 million, and that much of the country and population is rural.

Northern Ireland has a population of 1.5 million, with only Belfast as a major international city.

Belfast is currently undergoing massive change, including some very unique building projects, whilst Dublin and Cork in the south also have some interesting projects.


Yes, but many British cities with much less than 4 million poeple have their own sub forum. And if there's not many irish forumers is precisely because they don't have their space.

Don't forget that Ireland's GDP per capita is higher than UK's GDP per capita.

Not enough Irish. Simple as that.

Yes, but many British cities with much less than 4 million poeple have their own sub forum. And if there's not many irish forumers is precisely because they don't have their space.

yes, but you're comparing the whole of the republic's population to individual british cities. cork, ireland's second city, boasts fewer inhabitants than ipswich.

Don't forget that Ireland's GDP per capita is higher than UK's GDP per capita.

what's that got to do with anything?

Yes, but many British cities with much less than 4 million poeple have their own sub forum. And if there's not many irish forumers is precisely because they don't have their space.

Don't forget that Ireland's GDP per capita is higher than UK's GDP per capita.
The city subforums that you see were not just put there because it seemed like a nice idea, they had to meet a criteria:
- Lots of construction/projects to arouse a good flow of discussion
- Lots of people from that place, willing to discuss its development on a frequent basis
- An already flourishing project thread(s) in the P&C forum

Criteria 1: Ireland meets no problem, with huge amounts of construction in Dublin, and large amounts in many of the provincial cities such as Limerick and Sligo.
Criteria 2: Ireland has about 4 forumers. Only two of them contributes on a regular basis.
Criteria 3: Ireland (usually just applying to Dublin) has a thread every now and again but they are never maintained.

yes, but you're comparing the whole of the republic's population to individual british cities. cork, ireland's second city, boasts fewer inhabitants than ipswich.



what's that got to do with anything?

^^

Exactly.

As I mentioned Ireland is a very rural country, and
it has only a few major cities eg. Belfast, Dublin and
Cork. The latter as has already been pointed out is
the size of Ipswich.

Dublin has a population similar to Sheffield in England,
whilst Belfast has a population comparable to Nottingham.

Sheffield does have a sub forum, and Dublin is a big
enough city to warrant a sub-forum, however there
are simply not enough posts regarding Dublin on the
General Projects and Construction forum to warrant
it having it's own sub forum.

I don't think there's enough traffic or enough significant projects for Ireland to get its own subforum. Sure there is a cork thread but look at the responses? How many are actually related to the thread topic?
It's my fault a bit aswell since I'm too lazy to take regular pics

yeah. basically it needs a few locals to start actually contributing then it wll gradually pick up thanks to the google. until then... nothing.

i think that it is sad that other areas always tend to get swamped by mother england. i think that greater irish discussion would ensue if there was a clearly defined section for it. at present it is seen as a part what basically should be termed an english forum.

England has nothing to do with why Ireland doesn't have a discussion forum. Ireland doesn't have a discussion forum for reasons already clearly stated above.

Just to make a point Gareth, the combined Dublin, Belfast and Cork construction threads currently have a combined total of 77 posts. There is no favouritism here. Just supply and demand.

i think that it is sad that other areas always tend to get swamped by mother england. i think that greater irish discussion would ensue if there was a clearly defined section for it. at present it is seen as a part what basically should be termed an english forum.

Thats bollocks. The Swansea thread in P&C has more posts alone that all the Ireland threads combined. Thats not to mention the even larger Cardiff thread, and of course, the Glasgow subforum.

An Irish-South African perhaps? That would probably explain his ignorant post.

be quiet, racist person

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be quiet, racist person

When your drugs have worn off, please don't take any more.

Dublin has a population similar to Sheffield in England,



If I may point something out,Dublin has a population of 1.1 million and Sheffield has around 500k.

The Sheffield city region has a 2004 population of 1,819,500 covering 4,026.96km2. The Greater Dublin area had a population of 1,661,185 in 2006 covering 6,980km2. Dublin City had 505,739 in 2006 while Sheffield City had 520,700 people in 2005 so Sheffield is bigger in both city and metro terms.

Nothing against Sheffield, decent city and have got some good mates over there, but noway would I consider Sheffield to be as big as Dublin. Only if you include pit villages like Goldthorpe could Sheffield be bigger than Dublin, on paper. Dublin city centre is in a completely different league.

Maybe Dublin city centre is better than Sheffield's but the figures speak for themselves.

Lots of good points here, and let me tell you there is a lot going on in Ireland at the moment. True we are a small country and the latest census indicates a population of 4.23 million. This is small, true, but it is the fastest growth in Europe! 4 years ago the population was just under 4 million. But you have to take into account more than figures to understand the dynamics in our country. Would you rely on numbers in a publicised document that people are supposed to understand or even a college assessment? No, you would not, you need context. So, here is the context.

Ireland is much less urbanised than the UK to begin with, the distribution of wealth and population is around the east coast. However, countrywide, there has been dramatic growth in population and wealth in recent years has brought about huge changes in the Infrastructure and especially housing. Most construction at the moment focuses on low-rise housing developments from 2-10 storeys. We would not report on these as they are mostly bland and are merely built to cope with demand and less with asthetics.

The main urban centre in Ireland is, of course, Dublin. In a county region of ~1000km2 there are 1.18 million inhabitants. The city centre has a pop of 505,000 and the real 'City' of Dublin (city limits) has a population of around 1.03 million. Satellite towns are starting to grow dramatically but these areas tend to be scattered, with various 'commuter belts' forming, which means that Dublin is much busier than the mere population as people travel to work from up to 80km away!!!
Dublin airport has had enormous passenger growth to over 20 million in 2006. This is among the largest airports in europe in terms of passengers only (does sheffield have it's own airport?)
Dublin is the European headquarters of over 90 multinational companies including Microsoft, Google, Yahoo but to name a few...these bring huge amounts of migrant workers who want short term accomodation (apartments) and makes it a very busy place to work.
Dublin is the Irish capital and therefore has most Government and administrative buildings (unlike sheffield)

The projections for Dublin are also different. Over 2 million people will live in the coty by 2030 and 5.5 million people in the country. This is taken into account now as the Infrastructure moves up a gear to build motorways and better public transport in the city (trams, metros).

Oh yes, and the buildings - up to now there has never been a need to build really tall but now that we have some pennies in our coffers there are some tall luxury resedentials due for construction

Hueston gate - 123m to roof, 140m to spire
U2 tower - should be 130m - Should start construction in early 2007
Point village - 120m. U/C

I hope this clears some things up.
I have been to many cities around the world because of my job and i would compare Dublin to somewhere like Brussels, Copenhagen or Stockholm than fucking Sheffield! :ohno:

^^, hey, good post overall but have you ever been to Sheffield?

^oh come on...

^^, hey, good post overall but have you ever been to Sheffield?

i don't mean my post to turn into an argument of Dublin Vs Sheffield :bash:

I just want to explain what things are going on
Sadly this is the legacy of our history as the poorest and most backward nation in the EU. In the last 10 years things have changed dramatically and i don't think the reality of Ireland in 2006 is portrayed enough

^oh come on...
I wasn't comparing the two, it just came across as incredibly condescending towards Sheffield.

Oh well, doesn't matter now. The issue seems to have been resolved. :)

Well all I were saying was that Sheffield is bigger than Dublin in terms of population. 5 million live in Yorkshire which makes it bigger than Ireland and 20 million people live within 2 hours drive. I don't know why you were getting so defensive for and derogatory about Sheffield when you probably have never even been.

Keano, we don't have a subforum not because there aren't enough projects but because there's not much activity.

Yes, but probably an Irish forum would increase the activity of irish forumers, it's just because theyt don't have thei own space. Come on even countries like Kuwait, Lebanon, Bahrain, New Zealand or Qatar, have their own national forum but Ireland, the "Celtic Tiger", doesn't.

^^ perhaps with the exception of Lebanon - don't all those countries currently have skyscrapers and/or proposals for more skyscrapers??

Given that this is a skyscraper forum that will generate alot of interest for those countries.

And i also think that most of the Sub-forums in the Uk section got their own forums due to the number of threads those cities were getting.

If there were significant numbers of Irish forumers willing to post threads about construction and keep the threads going with comments, then i'm sure it would be possible to sustain an Irish Sub-forum.....otherwise i think it would become an empty wasteland totally devoid of any worthwhile activity (i could make a joke about Ireland at this point....but i wont ;) :) )

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Yes, but probably an Irish forum would increase the activity of irish forumers, it's just because theyt don't have thei own space. Come on even countries like Kuwait, Lebanon, Bahrain, New Zealand or Qatar, have their own national forum but Ireland, the "Celtic Tiger", doesn't.
Erm, by that logic the UK doesn't have it's own fora either ("UK & Ireland Skyscraper Forums" remember?). Believe me, this isn't a conspiracy against Ireland. Irish forumers have as much "space" here as British forumers.

chicken and the egg. no forum without forumers. no forumers without forum. lol.

Ironoically I think more Irish Forumers have posted on this one thread defending Ireland than have ever posted about Irish urban issues.

Is this the biggest thread about Ireland on the forum?

^^ perhaps with the exception of Lebanon - don't all those countries currently have skyscrapers and/or proposals for more skyscrapers??
Beirut has many skyscrapers you know. Its really an amazingly beautiful and cosmopolitan big city.

Dublin has a planning law that limits the height of buildings in the city. This might be a reason that there are not enough Irish forumers, this and there not being a separate forum to appeal to people. Also the Irish tend to have more of a social life (or they just have lives).

Also the Irish tend to have more of a social life (or they just have lives).

Undoubtedly true with regards to postaholics and trolls - but most people I speak to on this forum are social people with a heathy interest in urban matters and/or professionals in the industry. So where are the irish equivalents? I'm sure they exist, they just don't come on this forum because like gothicform says - there is no forum for them to come on, but they don't get a forum until people come on here - chicken and the egg.

all the irish hang out at a different forum called www.archiseek.com

To be honest there aren't a whole lot that actually have an interest in development. Most people I know absolutely despise anything taller than their house going up and in fact, the whole of cork city is complaining about the elysian (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=305784&page=2) building going up

yea all the irish guys are on [url]www.archiseek.com, there a shit load of irish forums on it.And as herbicide pointed out there is a law in dublin that states there cant be buildings over a certain height thats why there are no skyscrapers as of yet.until hueston gate,point village and u2 tower are built anyway.

Just a suggestion the subforum should be renamed
England skyscraper forum
The other nations Scotland,Wales and Ireland would be better moved away to the European section under Scandinavian,Baltic and Celtic issues.

Just a suggestion the subforum should be renamed
England skyscraper forum
The other nations Scotland,Wales and Ireland would be better moved away to the European section under Scandinavian,Baltic and Celtic issues.
Ahhhh, still sore over the existance of the british state?

:pet:

I think the time has come for the mods to sort out a referenden sticky thread on this issue where the forumers get to vote and the results shown at the end of the month to see if its time for a change.

Just a suggestion the subforum should be renamed
England skyscraper forum
The other nations Scotland,Wales and Ireland would be better moved away to the European section under Scandinavian,Baltic and Celtic issues.

Since when are Scotland, Wales and Ireland in Scandinavia or the Baltics? :nuts: :ohno:

Since they saved up enough money to detach their land masses and trawl themselves away from the evil oppressors in London and the shires!