Looks like a new project is in the stages of preparation, with the showroom being constructed:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/RCSSC/kimlim2.jpg

signboard
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/RCSSC/kimlim.jpg

More density! Just hope Chee Guan Chiang House gets preserved.

Expected date of completion 30-09-2006 ??? What the... !?!?

hahaha Pengui you're so meticulous!! maybe it is completed somewhere else and only need to pop it there :D:D hueheuhe ^^

interesting...maybe the date could refer to the demolition schedule for one of the old blocks

interesting...maybe the date could refer to the demolition schedule for one of the old blocks
yes. owners are asked to vacant their place by middle of next year.

yes. owners are asked to vacant their place by middle of next year.

I can't wait to visit the showflat for this project. I hope CDL builds something nice here to continue the trend of award winning projects (e.g. The Colonnade and Spring Grove) along this end of Grange Road.

I heard that CDL only bought part of Kim Lin Mansion. Is that true? I find this piece of information surprising as it does not make economic sense for CDL to do so and also the owners of the units at the back of the estate would have lost out big time. They essentially lost the Grange Road address which is important to this site.

The showflat should be ready soon!

I heard that CDL only bought part of Kim Lin Mansion. Is that true? I find this piece of information surprising as it does not make economic sense for CDL to do so and also the owners of the units at the back of the estate would have lost out big time. They essentially lost the Grange Road address which is important to this site.

The showflat should be ready soon!110 units of condominium, on Lot(s) 685, 691, 692 & 1994 TS 24 at Grange Road / Jalan Arnap

are you able to check the lot number?

110 units of condominium, on Lot(s) 685, 691, 692 & 1994 TS 24 at Grange Road / Jalan Arnap

are you able to check the lot number?

With that information, I believe I can. Will do it when i return to Singapore and will post my investigation here. :lol:

I'm expecting this to be quite a disappointment. Maybe I have set my expectations a little too high for this development. :ohno: Thought it will be another Parkview Eclat. Anyway, I would like to be proven wrong on this. Any insiders can shed some light on this development?

I'm expecting this to be quite a disappointment. Maybe I have set my expectations a little too high for this development. :ohno: Thought it will be another Parkview Eclat. Anyway, I would like to be proven wrong on this. Any insiders can shed some light on this development?
i just hope that is another designer building among its designer building neighbor:)

i just hope that is another designer building among its designer building neighbor:)

I hope so too. :) CDL has been secretive about this development. Anyway, i think it's best not to keep our hopes too high just in case it turns out otherwise.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=12494403&postcount=422

Yippie! It will be a designer building.

http://www.carlosott.com/projects.htm

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5866/bt59744960304200720696cyg1.jpg

nice... looks abit like Trillium

nice... looks abit like Trillium

Expensive version of already very expensive Trillium.

Expensive version of already very expensive Trillium.

to me is like 11 Amber, especially the round part or figure of eight. if not is the draycott or bel-air which are also round round in design. trillium is a more oval in sharp, not round.

are we back to the good ol days of round round and round?
lol

Steel and glass?

This reminds me of Twin towers actually.

Cliveden at Grange
Total 110 units, 24 storey
Land 138,000 sqft

3 block single tower
1 block twin tower

3 bdrm, 2351 sqft, 42 units
4 bdrm, 2842 sqft, 63 units
4 bdrm penthouse, 4392 sqft, 2 units
5 bdrm penthouse, 6028 sqft

Above should be the size from my source


The Name of the Project appeared in todau's Biz Times:)

Cliveden at Grange
Total 110 units, 24 storey
Land 138,000 sqft

3 block single tower
1 block twin tower

3 bdrm, 2351 sqft, 42 units
4 bdrm, 2842 sqft, 63 units
4 bdrm penthouse, 4392 sqft, 2 units
5 bdrm penthouse, 6028 sqft

Above should be the size from my source


The Name of the Project appeared in todau's Biz Times:)


Eventually!!! PSF?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliveden

Cliveden (pronounced CLIVV-d'n) is a mansion in Buckinghamshire, England overlooking the River Thames. It has an intriguing history ...

For those who may be interested to know, this development will be designed by Carlos Ott.

Ott's claim to fame was winning the international competition to design the Opera de Bastille in Paris to commemorate the 200th anniversary of the French Revolution. Ott's signature is stamped on the Dubai Hilton Creek Hotel, and two other hotels for the Hilton Hotel group in the Middle East - in Bahrain and Abu Dhabi.

He is also the architect for the One Shenton and The Solitaire.

WOW, VERY COOL DESIGN!!!

Does Otts have Pritzker potential, I wonder..

His design currently (at least amongst those 3 residential projects in Singapore) seem to embrace the "round, round look-and-feel". In fact, both Solitaire and Cliveden seem to have similar curved balconies.

the layout and design very very nice. the clubhouse is like Draycott 8. saw it with 2 of my clients:)

i'm sorry, but i just have to say this:

what's up with this name? what is a cliveden? i hate the way it sounds. my comment is shallow and irrelevant, but everytime i see the name of the thread is was like nails on a chalkboard.....

i'm sorry, but i just have to say this:

what's up with this name? what is a cliveden? i hate the way it sounds. my comment is shallow and irrelevant, but everytime i see the name of the thread is was like nails on a chalkboard.....

Wiki it! I have provided the link above.

I heard from internal sources that it will be launched very soon. Yeah!

Wiki it! I have provided the link above.

I heard from internal sources that it will be launched very soon. Yeah!

glad to know that it's not referring to a den full of clives. :lol:

residences in kim lin mansion must move out by 12th may 2007

Anyone knows when will Cliveden be launched? Somehow I have a feeling it will no longer be from 3300psf.

I was reading an article about international property prices earlier. I don't expect Singapore property prices to be priced like those in UK/US however we are seriously a long way off the potential Singapore can achieve. Just looking at the simple figures in all the articles i have read so far, I really think we can expect prices to climb much higher in Singapore especially those areas that interest the international market.

[QUOTE=SmallInvestor;13405263]Anyone knows when will Cliveden be launched? Somehow I have a feeling it will no longer be from 3300psf.


I agree with you. I think this one must be priced a bit below Parkview Eclat because eclat have private pool. .

D9 and D10 properties will always be in favor among the global rich, imho. These are established, premium and mostly freehold districts. I mean for me, if I want to buy invest overseas, I would go for FH in a prime belt.
Thats why places like knightsbridge in London keep going up year after year. especially places near to Harrods which serves as a anchor premium convenience store to many of the uber rich around it.

I agree with you. I think this one must be priced a bit below Parkview Eclat because eclat have private pool. .

may not be. a spa pool in the balcony is not the only consideration. Cliveden does have its selling points like one unit per floor offering 360 degree view. also, we have not seen the showflat yet but I heard it will be boasting very good features.

may not be. a spa pool in the balcony is not the only consideration. Cliveden does have its selling points like one unit per floor offering 360 degree view. also, we have not seen the showflat yet but I heard it will be boasting very good features.

I agree with LandLuv. Cliveden will most probably be a full facilities development too.

I agree with LandLuv. Cliveden will most probably be a full facilities development too.
island in the pool for private function:)

[QUOTE=butthead;13406855]

??? Just because of that?

Anyway, by then, I don't expect Parkview Eclat to be from 3300psf.

:lol: :lol: Hmm. Looking from the current launches of some inferior than cliveden condo like LPV is already starting from $2600 and above. I think Cliveden will price it above $2800.

Not to mention other inferior than cliveden condo like Helios and Lumos will definitely launch at above $2500 knowing that suites@cairnhill sold out at above $2500.

I think probably CDL will launch cliveden @ about $2800-$3300. The penthouse will probably fetch at above $4000.

But I dont think Cliveden will cost more than parkview eclat especially we know that eclat is not in a rush in selling its condos. (BTW, is eclat selling at $3000 avg???)

BTW I really like cliveden because I like the design, the 360 degrees concept and it has a full condo facilities I think.

:lol: :lol: Hmm. Looking from the current launches of some inferior than cliveden condo like LPV is already starting from $2600 and above. I think Cliveden will price it above $2800.

Not to mention other inferior than cliveden condo like Helios and Lumos will definitely launch at above $2500 knowing that suites@cairnhill sold out at above $2500.

I think probably CDL will launch cliveden @ about $2800-$3300. The penthouse will probably fetch at above $4000.

But I dont think Cliveden will cost more than parkview eclat especially we know that eclat is not in a rush in selling its condos. (BTW, is eclat selling at $3000 avg???)

BTW I really like cliveden because I like the design, the 360 degrees concept and it has a full condo facilities I think.

my personal opinion: Leonie cannot compare with Grange. Cairnhill is a different area so I will not compare Cairnhill with Grange. You do tag a premium to Grange road properties versus Leonie. which is why folks at Grange Heights have been fighting for right of way to link to Grange road. The intrinsic value of properties along Grange road cannot be undermined. hence, 2800 is way out. 3300 starting seems more like it and may even be higher. Average for Eclat is definitely above 3000 I can assure you this.

my personal opinion: Leonie cannot compare with Grange. Cairnhill is a different area so I will not compare Cairnhill with Grange. You do tag a premium to Grange road properties versus Leonie. which is why folks at Grange Heights have been fighting for right of way to link to Grange road. The intrinsic value of properties along Grange road cannot be undermined. hence, 2800 is way out. 3300 starting seems more like it and may even be higher. Average for Eclat is definitely above 3000 I can assure you this.

but..but...but..but Leonie Hill is sooooo near Orchard! Only 5 min walk to Taka and Paragon! Grange Rd soooooo far away! Can't believe it is more expensive than Leonie Hill! How can like that arrrr????? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

but..but...but..but Leonie Hill is sooooo near Orchard! Only 5 min walk to Taka and Paragon! Grange Rd soooooo far away! Can't believe it is more expensive than Leonie Hill! How can like that arrrr????? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

the neighbourhood of GCBs and embassies. :)

How is the showflat??? I heard it was launched this morning and prices start from $3400 psf for deffered payment. Any comments???

spacious living and dinning. good facilities. one dont hv to buy high flr as the block oversee landed properties. White big piece of marble for the flooring.

spacious living and dinning. good facilities. one dont hv to buy high flr as the block oversee landed properties. White big piece of marble for the flooring.

Landed properties may get enbloc as well.....look at LengKok Angsa at Paterson..those landed properties are now being demolished... and the 2 x Paterson properties will have their Orchard view blocked in 1-2 years time.

spacious living and dinning. good facilities. one dont hv to buy high flr as the block oversee landed properties. White big piece of marble for the flooring.

How do you compare this with eclat and how big?

How do you compare this with eclat and how big?eclat big in room and attached bath, cliveden big in living and dinning.

Also, I heard that the Luma in river valley starts from start from $3000psf ???::nuts: Is it true??


River Valley start from $3000 just doesnt make sense:ohno: . Will find it defficult to sell. People will definitely buy orchard area condo.

Also, I heard that the Luma in river valley starts from start from $3000psf ???::nuts: Is it true??


River Valley start from $3000 just doesnt make sense:ohno: . Will find it defficult to sell. People will definitely buy orchard area condo.

What's Orchard Road condo?

I mean condos nearer to orchard turn, like those along orchard boulevard, cuscaden, grange, claymore and cairnhill.

There are some subsale unit for the tate residence at around $2900-$3000 psf. Why pay $3000 psf for river valley. :)

I have not seen eclat and cliveden tough, but I will check them out soon.

From builiding design, eclat is classical like those expesive condo found in New York. Cliveden is more modern in design like those in dubai.

So its quite depend on preferences.

Hi everyone,
i'm new to this group. Have been amazed at the wealth of info you guys have and share. So just want to share my little bit.

Went down to the showflat of Cliveden today. Only blocks 100 (3 bedroom-2153sqft) and Block 102 (4 bedroom-2842sqft) have been launched.

In my opinion, these are actually the 2 best blocks. So its funny that CDL always releases the best blocks first (like The Sail) and the pricing is best at this time, before the market really starts to run when SC global launches their MarQ.

Prices were starting at $3318psf for a 7th floor 3 bedroom. Max was $3874psf for the 22nd flr unit.

For the 4 bedrm, prices started at $3328psf for a 6th flr unit, up to $3923psf for a 22nd flr unit. That's cheap by my standard for today's sort of projects at this fantastic location!

Anyways, i think that CDL is probably reserving its super-lux project for its Lucky Tower project. I think it was a bit behind the game for Cliveden for super-lux cos i felt the finish was only luxurious, not really super-exclusive sort of lux. It had probably designed Cliveden very early and didn;t go back to the drawing board when MarQ and Eclat said they will be super-lux condos.

This being said, i'm quite sure that the next phase of launch will be at higher prices. For those with the cash, i think if you are considering this project, better to buy now cos the units are the more prime units/ blocks being launched first. Can make more when the less desirable ones get launched at higher prices later! And when MarQ launches at ridiculously high prices!

cheers,
byb

In my opinion, these are actually the 2 best blocks. So its funny that CDL always releases the best blocks first (like The Sail) and the pricing is best at this time, before the market really starts to run when SC global launches their MarQ.

Anyways, i think that CDL is probably reserving its super-lux project for its Lucky Tower project. I think it was a bit behind the game for Cliveden for super-lux cos i felt the finish was only luxurious, not really super-exclusive sort of lux. It had probably designed Cliveden very early and didn;t go back to the drawing board when MarQ and Eclat said they will be super-lux condos.

I guess CDL have no choice but to release the better units given the many luxury launches around that location right now competing for the same pool of money. Sail tower 1 was a different story as it was launch in Nov 04 when property was still at it's low & IR intention was still not announced yet. CDL has to launch the better Sail tower to attract buyers. If Sail is launch in good time like today, I guarantee there will not be any 1 or 2 bedder units facing the bay at all.

I heard the interior for Cliveden is just comparable to Trinity. If it's true, then it's just the location at Grange Rd that commands the high premium.

I guess CDL have no choice but to release the better units given the many luxury launches around that location right now competing for the same pool of money. Sail tower 1 was a different story as it was launch in Nov 04 when property was still at it's low & IR intention was still not announced yet. CDL has to launch the better Sail tower to attract buyers. If Sail is launch in good time like today, I guarantee there will not be any 1 or 2 bedder units facing the bay at all.

I heard the interior for Cliveden is just comparable to Trinity. If it's true, then it's just the location at Grange Rd that commands the high premium.

Indeed. They have to compete with Marq, eclat and helios.
But looking from a lot of other forumers response, they said that eclat right now still have the best interior.
:)
Anyone see the LPV. I heard that they are selling well.

Went down to the showflat of Cliveden today. Only blocks 100 (3 bedroom-2153sqft) and Block 102 (4 bedroom-2842sqft) have been launched.

In my opinion, these are actually the 2 best blocks. So its funny that CDL always releases the best blocks first (like The Sail) and the pricing is best at this time, before the market really starts to run when SC global launches their MarQ.



Hello,

I am curious to know why these 2 blocks are considered to be the best? I thought all the planned towers would be identical, and location-wise not very different?

Thanks

Hi

Would anyone have an idea how its doing and what percentage of the units have been sold ?

The news of the Marq selling a unit at 5000 psf should make a difference I would guess.

Hi

Would anyone have an idea how its doing and what percentage of the units have been sold ?

The news of the Marq selling a unit at 5000 psf should make a difference I would guess.


I received news from agents that they are currently selling in Jakarta.
They sold quite many units and decided to increase the price by 20% this monday.:nuts: so by monday the cheapest unit which is the lower floor will be above $4000 psf. Sunday is the last day you get old price.
They will go to Hongkong to market it also.
They expect a sold out when they launch it in singapore.


I also heard from an agent that there will be a new launch near Glen eagles Hospital starting from $4000 psf at least at Napier. Do you guys know which one is it.

I also heard from an agent that there will be a new launch near Glen eagles Hospital starting from $4000 psf at least at Napier. Do you guys know which one is it.

Maybe the project is 8 Napier. I found a past article:

8 Napier: Napier Properties eyes high $2,000 psf for new condo
November 10th, 2006

Napier Properties, which bought Eng Lok Mansion earlier this year, is setting its sights on an average price in the high $2,000 psf range for a 46-unit new plush freehold condo it plans to launch on the site next May.

The pricing will be at the top end of the Singapore luxury residential market and possibly set a new benchmark, Mark Wee, a substantial shareholder and director of Napier Properties, told BT.

We ll introduce a product with a quality of finishes that surpasses anything currently in the Singapore residential market, he added.

The 10-storey project, to be named 8 Napier, will be designed by the Singapore office of UK-based architectural firm Aedas.

Napier Properties - whose other substantial shareholder is former Parkway Holdings boss Tony Tan - had earlier planned to develop a medical centre on the Eng Lok site, to make the most of its location next to Parkway’s Gleneagles Hospital.

However, the authorities turned down the proposal as it was not in line with their planning intention for the site.

We took a view on luxury residential property prices and also figured it made more sense to pursue a high-end condo, as we could get more saleable area out of that compared with medical suites. And we can target a wider market -global property investors - for a condo, compared with the local doctor market for medical suites, Mr Wee said.

He also reasoned that some of the priciest real estate in global cities like New York and London is around famous parks, and said that 8 Napier, which is just two minutes walk to the Botanic Gardens, will be in that league.

8 Napier is being designed to bring the Botanics theme into the project, with wide balconies and generous planter boxes. We’ll even put the plants in and maintain them for the residents. The condo will also maximise green views of the Nassim and Dempsey areas, added Mr Wee, who is managing director of Penang s Island Hospital group.

8 Napier will consist of three-bedroom units of about 2,200 sq ft, four-bedder apartments of about 2,900 sq ft, and six penthouses of up to 5,000 sq ft.
Mr Wee estimates 8 Napier s breakeven cost at nearly $2,000 psf.

Eng Lok Mansion was in the news recently because of an 80-year-old owner's objection to its en bloc sale. When the Strata Titles Board last month approved the collective sale, she said she would appeal against that decision in the High Court.

David de Souza, acting for Eng Lok Mansion's sellers, confirmed that as of yesterday, Mdm Chow Ai Hwa had not served a notice of appeal on him, although the deadline to do so expired on Wednesday.

Source: The Business Times, 10 November 2006

Nov 2006 - want to sell at average $2000psf, at top end pricing.
June 2007 - want to sell starting $4000psf.

In just 7 months, the price had more than doubled in Orchard !
You don't call it super hot property, then what ?

I also heard from an agent that there will be a new launch near Glen eagles Hospital starting from $4000 psf at least at Napier. Do you guys know which one is it.
8 Napier. Kitchen and shower room very nice.

hmmmm... this project doesnt deserve the price tag at all... *( another disappointment from cdl..... pale in comparison even to the trillium and orange grove...

From the SGX website today:

The unit #18-03 was sold for $ 10,348,800 to the spouse of Mr Kwek Leng Beng.

27th January 2008

Piling is not completed yet for the whole site (there's machinery), but looking at the size of the hole that has been dug, it's possible that SOME of the towers are already at foundation works stage. Sorry my point of view on the site was not good enough to find out!
http://ssc.singapenguin.net/08/080127_cliveden02.jpg