Sure its a bad location. To be surrounded by numerous towers and to be stuck in the traffic jam every day around the marina do not make it a very nice location... If I was a millionaire I would not spend so much money for an appartment...

[QUOTE=dirtyharry1;23859492]Sure its a bad location. To be surrounded by numerous towers and to be stuck in the traffic jam every day around the marina do not make it a very nice location... If I was a millionaire I would not spend so much money for an appartment...[/QUOTE

SO, where would you buy?

[QUOTE=dirtyharry1;23859492]Sure its a bad location. To be surrounded by numerous towers and to be stuck in the traffic jam every day around the marina do not make it a very nice location... If I was a millionaire I would not spend so much money for an appartment...[/QUOTE

SO, where would you buy?

Emirates Hills :)

Yes, maybe...:)

But it is a fact that the plots for villas do become short... and any plot that is still near the sea (Meadows, Emirates Hills etc.) will become a real treasure in Dubai and much more sought than any appartment in one of the hundreds of towers.

Marina Apartments high and overlooking Emirates Hills, your the king of the Castle...

Italy's Ferragamo to design mega-tower

Italian luxury goods maker Salvatore Ferragamo, which has plans for a market listing, is to design the interior of penthouses in Dubai as part of an agreement with real estate firm Trident International Holdings.

The Florence-based company said on Tuesday it would design the interior of several luxury penthouses in the 'Pentominium' tower, to be completed in 2012.

More than 500 metres high with 120 floors and 120 penthouses, the tower is expected to be the highest residential building in the world.

"Ferragamo's entry into the world of high-end residential luxury is an important step in the brand extension process and opens the road to other development opportunities," Chief Executive Michele Norsa said in a statement.

No financial details were disclosed.

Ferragamo, for whom Claudia Schiffer has modelled, is best known for its scarves, ties and leather shoes and bags.

Trident International Holdings is based in the United Arab Emirates.

Other Italian designers have also branched out into property.

Earlier this year, Gianfranco Ferre and Galadari Investment Office said they would build a luxurious $1.2 billion tower of at least 60 floors in Dubai, part of a joint venture for the design and development of real estate.

(Reuters)

This is almost an exact repeat of what bizzy posted above. But there is an addition (look at the last sentence):




Ferragamo to design luxury penthouses in Pentominium
16 September 2008

http://www.dubaitourism.ae/Portals/0/NewsletterBlogImages/3-15-16/image114.jpg


Salvatore Ferragamo Italia, parent company of the Ferragamo Group, a world leading player in luxury goods industry, has signed an agreement with Trident International Holdings, a company operating in the high-end real estate sector.

According to this agreement the Italian luxury fashion house will design the interior of some exclusive Penthouses in the Pentominium building in Dubai. The Pentominium is the tallest residential building in the world, scheduled for completion in 2012. The over 500-meter and 120-story tower offers the ultimate in exclusive services to the future 120 Penthouse owners.

The project, ideated by Trident and designed by AEDAS Architects won five awards at the CNBC Best Property Award and will be showcased around the world.

“The Pentominium is an inimitable building that goes beyond imagination and features an unparalleled level of technology. Ferragamo and Trident share the commitment to exclusivity and excellence which guarantee utmost quality and the achievement of challenging objectives,” said Michele Norsa, CEO of Salvatore Ferragamo.

“The Pentominium will be the tallest residential property in the world and to demonstrate its exclusivity we have chosen as partners the top professionals in their respective fields. We are very pleased that Salvatore Ferragamo, which has always paid maximum attention to its brand image throughout the world, will make its debut in the top-end luxury properties through the prestigious and one of a kind Pentominium project,” commented Wazir Daredia, CEO of Trident International Holdings.

The official launch of the Pentominium project will take place in Dubai on October 6 with a spectacular fashion show and a charity event.


http://www.dubaitourism.ae/DubaiWeeklyNewsletterBlog/tabid/322/EntryID/45/language/en-US/Default.aspx

This is almost an exact repeat of what bizzy posted above. But there is an addition (look at the last sentence):




Ferragamo to design luxury penthouses in Pentominium
16 September 2008

http://www.dubaitourism.ae/Portals/0/NewsletterBlogImages/3-15-16/image114.jpg


Salvatore Ferragamo Italia, parent company of the Ferragamo Group, a world leading player in luxury goods industry, has signed an agreement with Trident International Holdings, a company operating in the high-end real estate sector.

According to this agreement the Italian luxury fashion house will design the interior of some exclusive Penthouses in the Pentominium building in Dubai. The Pentominium is the tallest residential building in the world, scheduled for completion in 2012. The over 500-meter and 120-story tower offers the ultimate in exclusive services to the future 120 Penthouse owners.

The project, ideated by Trident and designed by AEDAS Architects won five awards at the CNBC Best Property Award and will be showcased around the world.

“The Pentominium is an inimitable building that goes beyond imagination and features an unparalleled level of technology. Ferragamo and Trident share the commitment to exclusivity and excellence which guarantee utmost quality and the achievement of challenging objectives,” said Michele Norsa, CEO of Salvatore Ferragamo.

“The Pentominium will be the tallest residential property in the world and to demonstrate its exclusivity we have chosen as partners the top professionals in their respective fields. We are very pleased that Salvatore Ferragamo, which has always paid maximum attention to its brand image throughout the world, will make its debut in the top-end luxury properties through the prestigious and one of a kind Pentominium project,” commented Wazir Daredia, CEO of Trident International Holdings.

The official launch of the Pentominium project will take place in Dubai on October 6 with a spectacular fashion show and a charity event.


http://www.dubaitourism.ae/DubaiWeeklyNewsletterBlog/tabid/322/EntryID/45/language/en-US/Default.aspx

How many times has this been launched now then ??? I thought it was done two years ago, what a building though !

Trident have only 15 left to sell, price for 66th floor...35M aed. Great for the investores who bought in the begginning...........................

Yes compared to Nakheel Harbour Tower, these were really good value!

By Nadra, posted on Picasa originally

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01/December/2008

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Not only there are three piling rigs on site but you can also see that piling is an ongoing process (the crane holding the steel caisson) and the machineries are not just parked there.

^^ WOW! :banana:

Great to see piling going on here at the Pentominium site ... didn't think I'd be seeing that here to be honest. Hopefully, the work will be on-going for the foreseeable future despite of all the doom and gloom.

piling in full progress, no workers today because of the UAE National Day.

02/December/2008

The Pentominium

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Thx Imre ^^ :)

Nice shots of the construction site :cheers2:

piling in full progress

07/December/2008

Dubai Marina,tallest block

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Dec 8th

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I'm really surprised this one is still going through.

this is just the piling , if we compare to the Marinascape's speed they will finish around 2018:)

^^ :lol:

According to the contract they should be on the 30th floor my March 2009!

Is there no compensation for late delivery?

I'm really surprised this one is still going through.

They sold almost everything.

Sold is an overstatement in Dubai. Most of them are probably flipper's despite the fact that these are mainly for end users and the ultra rich. Question is, can the investor's make the remaining payments?

According to the contract they should be on the 30th floor my March 2009!

Is there no compensation for late delivery?

Only if the contract explicitly states a compensation clause (which i highly doubt).

19/December/2008

The Pentominium


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Absolutely great progress here !!!!

Yes! Awesome to see this kind of progress in such uncertain times.

What a block of SUPER-TOWERS!! :D

They sold almost everything.

Well, whatever way they work it, as long as the money keeps flowing in the concrete will keep flowing out huh. :)

Trident reckon that Swissboring will be offsite by mid Jan 09 and the contractors will start building...........

What contractors? :)


Anyway I hope it's true that they sold a lot, then they might have the funds to build this (but I doubt). The massive tower that arabtec were supposed to built in St Petersburg got cancelled so they probably have the available resources to build.

Trident reckon that Swissboring will be offsite by mid Jan 09 ...........

I might be wrong, but I pretty much doubt that.

09/January/2009

The Pentominium

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hey imre, did you see what's going on at the Marina 106 site?

25/January/2009


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Anybody know what trident's situation is?
I'm just wondering, in terms of building this tower, what chances do people think this has of getting done?

80%

Anybody know what trident's situation is?
I'm just wondering, in terms of building this tower, what chances do people think this has of getting done?

Trident dont have contractors yet, lots of talking but no deal. Did they really sell as much as they made out?

From today:

http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/300_1358_qa.jpg

http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/300_1359_qa.jpg

If Trident dont have any contractors yet, what happens when Swissboring finnish there work? They are die to complete the piling and shoring in the next few weeks.

Well I would assume that if they don't have any contractors by the time Swissboring are done here then they will simply close the site until they do find contractors? And God only knows when that could be? What else is there to do?

^^ Does'nt help the people who have paid in 30%! If they cant build it how long can the put it on hold before being in breach of contract?

^^ I perfectly understand what u are saying, but as I was said before, what else can they do in such a situation, but put this on hold until they do find a contractor. Sorry, but I don't know anything about the contract on this one, so can't comment on that, but u know, if they have sold almost everything here, as I've been told, several times now, then logic says, even in such a climate, it shouldn't be on hold for very long. Hopefully, a contractor should emerge very soon to build this. I don't see why not?!

It's happening left, right and centre these days, with so many projects, so people shouldn't be all that surprised what might happen next.:ohno:

Well if they have the financing then contractors will be queuing outside their doors. But do they have the financing? :dunno:

:ohno:Well if they have the financing then contractors will be queuing outside their doors. But do they have the financing? :dunno:^^:ohno:

Well if they have the financing then contractors will be queuing outside their doors. But do they have the financing? :dunno:

Well that's the thing isn't it!? How can we be absolutely sure how much has really been sold here? Is there anyone here who can find out? And if this has sold as much as they say, then how come a contractor has not been confirmed yet? Maybe they are close to a securing a deal already? Who knows? :dunno:

Well that's the thing isn't it!? How can we be absolutely sure how much has really been sold here? Is there anyone here who can find out? And if this has sold as much as they say, then how come a contractor has not been confirmed yet? Maybe they are close to a securing a deal already? Who knows? :dunno:

:gossip: They need a contractor to help financially.......easy payments etc...

:gossip: They need a contractor to help financially.......easy payments etc...

Maybe they should ask EX-management of Nakheel for some help?! :banana: :laugh:

... :runaway:

Look at the top left corner of the Pentominium Plot: Struts for stiffing the hole have been put in place and this means piling is done in this area and maybe even excavation is about to start, you can see a machine pushing sand as well... :)

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Pics from yesterday:

http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/300_1924_qa.jpg

http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/300_1927_qa.jpg

Still working diligently on the piling :cheers2:

Thank you for all this awesome photos from Marina today, desert diver!!:banana:

Nice to see this many pilling machines at pentominium site. I hope this pace goes on!

Yup, piling in full swing here. :cheers:

Wow, so 5 piling rigs! I wonder how long it'll be before it gets done.

Wow, so 5 piling rigs! I wonder how long it'll be before it gets done.
Dont they still need a contractor? Any info on this? Last time I spoke with Trident they were still in talks.....

I was just talking about the piling. ;)
A main contractor is a different story and I still think this will go on hold as soon as swissboring finish.

27/February/2009

The Pentominium

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65-70m

Question -

How deep is the piling going??

65-70m

65-70 metres? - that is incredible!

^^ Deeper and also more piles than for the burj dubai ;)

A main contractor is a different story and I still think this will go on hold as soon as swissboring finish.

It is refreshing to see work going on here considering the way things are, but yeah, looks like it's going that way alright. No doubt as soon as swissboring finish piling the covers will go on. Unless a miracle appears out of the blue and a contractor gets in the picture some time soon..

^^ Deeper and also more piles than for the burj dubai ;)

Is this because of it's design and because Pentominium is more slender at the base than Burj Dubai? :dunno:

TIH awards Pentominium deal
United Arab Emirates: Sunday, December 16 - 2007 at 14:01
Trident International Holdings (TIH) has awarded the enabling works contract for its 516 metre, 120 storey Pentominium project at Dubai Marina to the Swissboring Overseas Corporation. The shoring and piling work will see the installation of 250 piles, with some driven to a depth of 65 metres. The work should be completed within 60 weeks of commencement.

http://www.ameinfo.com/142046.html

Is this because of it's design and because Pentominium is more slender at the base than Burj Dubai? :dunno:

Yes and yes

Yes and yes

:okay:

Dubai Steve said they have sold almost everything here. Is that true and where does this news come from?

Now I have a question for investors in general. Is this a project which would have attracted many flippers? I'm just curious since for some unknown reason my gut tells me no. It seems like an apartment in this tower would worth a lot on completion but wouldn't be something that would be bought and sold 10 times before finishing.

Also if it's true that the investors in this are in it for the long haul then this might actually get built given that construction costs are going down.

^^
Trident have said that they have sold almost everything and the only units left are the ferragamo penthouses.:dunno:

Malec I agree, this would have been somewhere for the very wealthy to dump their cash into a long term investment. Looks like there is no reason for this not to go ahead. Lets hope so!

No reason for this to go ahead?

^^
Trident have said that they have sold almost everything and the only units left are the ferragamo penthouses.:dunno:


only question what happened with the money, I heard that they had a big loss of the Bayside and Marinascape Towers.

No reason for this to go ahead?

Sorry meant, No reason for this not to go ahead.

Last night:

Busy piling works at the Pentominium

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Full swing here ... too bad a contractor isn't. :(

serious engineering going on here, looks like its full steam ahead with the Pento....

05/March/2009

Dubai Marina , tallest block

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Is that a tower crane on site?

not on the pentominium site

Is that a tower crane on site?

just the small mobile crane with SWISSBORING logo

08/March/2009

The Pentominium

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Is that a tower crane on site?

The tower crane is located at the Summit:

http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/300_2135_qa.jpg

Great to see there one ! HOpe for one infront of the Pentominium soon !!

^^ Insha'allah :)

I see a lot less equipment/rigs on site in that last shot, so is piling close to being done here now? :)

I see a lot less equipment/rigs on site in that last shot, so is piling close to being done here now? :)

Yesterday....

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Looks like swissboring has finished....

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Did they actually finish the piling though?
Anyway still no mention of a main contractor. I predict ON HOLD for a long time starting soon. :)

Thanks for the photos Paul. :cheers:

It certainly does look as if Swissboring have finished piling now, well I hope so anyway. Also, the site looks like it's just being tidied up at the moment, in preparation for the main contractor I would think. And how long that will take is anyone's guess..?? Would love to see work begin on this tower sometime over the next 12-18 months. :)

Just heard that Pentominium project has been put on hold.... Anyone heard the same?

Just heard that Pentominium project has been put on hold.... Anyone heard the same?

^^
They still dont have the contractors although I have been told that it will be ACC. They say they are finalizing contracts???

^^
They still dont have the contractors although I have been told that it will be ACC. They say they are finalizing contracts???

Just spoke with Trident. Information is not correct, and Pentominium project is going ahead... Good news...

^^ So did they say anything about the contractor?

Any more news here?

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So the most recent thing is they've put in those pipes. I wonder if they'll excavate to reveal the pile caps or not.

^^ Usually that's the job of the main contractor, who does the raft also.

Any sign of who the contractor is? This would usually go on the boards.

17/April/2009

The Pentominium

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Holy crap, who would have expected this: Looks like they're going ahead with this one! Dewatering is running and they are breaking the tops of the perimeter wall and the piles! :banana:

What are the big steel tubes in Imre's pics 1 and 4? What are they for?

Reinforcing the walls to allow excavation? :dunno:

What are the big steel tubes in Imre's pics 1 and 4? What are they for?

I believe these are to re-inforce the walls during the excavation - especially important when excavating on sand, or under the water table. After the excavation is complete, these are replaced by reinforced concrete supports.

They are not always needed, the soil tests will guide the decision.

24/April/2009

The Pentominium

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If piling is finished then first of all, why are there so few? Secondly why are they irregularly placed?

I have read about 250 piles but still just few visible, 65-70m deep so maybe later we will see more:)

01/May/2009

The Pentominium

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Strange stuff.

Any news on a contractor yet? When swissboring have finnished the piling will it go on hold?:dunno:

piling started again, I saw a driller there

When will it begin to rise ? :tiasd:

I think they have been going through a test phase with the piles. They will need to analyse the results before deciding the final size, type, length, ebedment etc. Looks like that phase may be over now.

This is a first in design with such a high slenderness ratio and post tensioned vertical cantilever.

^^ Doesn't sound logic to me. Normally they will do soiltesting and on base of that results the depth and size of the piles is chosen. Mayby they had to make the reinforcements for the walls first to continue piling. Maybe the next updates form Imre or someone else will tell us more.

Ah ha! You miss the point, this structure is supported with tension piles as well as bearing piles. So the foundation design is more complex than what you may be used to.

Only Engineers from Scotland have the mental capacity to handle the complex theories required to analyse this one:lol:

^^ That's because your soil sucks and it's good for supporting nothing ... except a bunch of kilt wearing fellas dancing to the solstice. :D

The size and length of the piles will always be chosen from soiltestresults. When piling is (partially) done some tests can be done to check if the predicted bearingloads are reached.

And it is assumeble that there will be tension and bearing piles. The structure is very slim and tall.

I don't think those are test piles. I think these have just been installed at a different height for some reason. :dunno:

Nothing will be built here 'till they have a contractor......

I've heard 3 different stories from them now!

I don't think those are test piles. I think these have just been installed at a different height for some reason. :dunno:

These are test piles! Why has everyone forgotten that I am a genius:D

Anyway, look back a good few months and you will see they are constructing these experimental test piles with load cells built into them.

Soil/foundation engineering is based heavily on theory which does not follow hard and fast difinitive formulae. I always remember the lecturers getting annoyed at students who used decimal points instead of rounding everything up at each stage of the calculation. Once you think you have an answer on a foundation design you then apply factors of safety, or a fudge factor to cover the things we can't see and all the vaiables we will encounter once things start on site.

With a tower design this extreme and cutting edge, the foundation design can not allow for unknowns, variables and empirical safety factors. Real life data is needed to refine the design to suit the actual soil and stress conditions. This is the data collecting phase we are in at the moment, or have just completed. There may be a second phase when they try to determine the effect of pile groups as opposed to single piles.

Anything else you want to know, Terzaghi and Peck is some good bedtime reading:)

T.B, you sound like you know your stuff....

Assuming they have a contractor in place. How long do you think before they start building???

06/May/2009

The Pentominum

no piling there, I think I just saw the Marina Arcade driller last time but more sand now:)

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^^

More sand! What does that mean? I thought that after the piling etc they would be putting down a basement slab.:dunno:

^^i think its the end of the project. they destroyed the pilings and fill the hole now with sand.

Thank you imre for the pics. to show us the hard reality.

^ Do You guys not read True Blue's posts or something? He said they were likely test piles.

To me the above pictures suggest they have got the results they need from these test piles and are removing them and re-covering the hole to either
A. Begin piling proper, or
B. Do a second round of tests ( as mentioned by TB).

if this is the case, talk of a main contractor is month premature.

01/May/2009

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and

06/May/2009

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^^Is this another cover up?

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Amazing renders Steve.

^ Do You guys not read True Blue's posts or something? He said they were likely test piles.

To me the above pictures suggest they have got the results they need from these test piles and are removing them and re-covering the hole to either
A. Begin piling proper, or
B. Do a second round of tests ( as mentioned by TB).

if this is the case, talk of a main contractor is month premature.

You mean a third round of tests? :ohno:

Around january 2008 they did the first test.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6624/imresolt095ml0.jpg


Then starting around December they dug a little and did what now seems like another test.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2829/imresolt009ii0.jpg


So this thing shouldn't even be classed as "ground work" yet since nothing has started on the actual structure. :ohno:
What data did they collect since it seems as soon as those piles were revealed they smashed them up as shown. I think there's more sand there simply because the diggers need to get down in the hole. Still though what the hell is going on here?

REPLY FROM TRIDENT WHEN I ASKED IF IT WAS ON HOLD........

NO, this is not on hold at all. I will try to check if this is normal procedure.



Sandra Bhojwani

Assistant Manager- Business Development

Trident International Holdings FZCO

Telephone: +971 (4) 3689225 Ext. 114

Facsimile: +971 (4) 3689226

Mobile: +971 (50) 4599322

e-mail: sandra@tihglobal.com

www.tihglobal.com

Incredible:eek2::eek2::eek2:

I am not concerned about the smashing up of the pile tops. This would have to be done anyway as the raft level will be well below the current level.

The preparation on the top of the pile, prior to smashing up, looks like an impact cap possibly for carrying out dynamic pile test. They thump the pile with a known mass dropped from a known height (lets them calc the energy of impact) and using fancy instruments measure the acceleration of the pile. They probably even do things that are so advanced that I haven't even heard of it (cos I'm an old engineer).

One thing is for sure, things are happening so someone must be directing these actions. The one thing that has to be right in this type of venture is the foundations. Don't fancy trying to repair the leaning tower of Dubai:)

They had 5 piling rigs in there for quite some time, can't imagine these were only for test piles and what about the support braces they can't pile beneath these anymore. So I think the piling should be further ahead than just testing.

08/May/2009

The Pentominium

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Trident told me that swissboring are "about a month from completing there work, then work will be caried out for the basement slab".....

:lol:

Trident told me that swissboring are "about a month from completing there work, then work will be caried out for the basement slab".....

and the completion date is 2010?

:lol:

Are you believe everything what the Trident says?

Just look back the Marinascape tread and you will see how trustable company is that.

^^
Hey I did'nt say I believed them, Just posting what they told me....

Actually, that's very strange because it seems as if they destroyed the piling and began to fill the hole exactly like on the Trump Hotel on Palm Jumeirah.

I think Trident said some craps and the project has already been cancelled but they don't want to say that.

The question is: when are they going to say that they cancelled it (or put it "on hold", which means exactly the same thing)?

That's a pity because the Pentominim was definitely the best project of all the Marina. It was one of the most beautiful building design I ever saw :cry:

T.B, you sound like you know your stuff....

Assuming they have a contractor in place. How long do you think before they start building???

I'd say a year until the slab gets poured.

According to my contract they should be on the 60th floor next month.....

:bash: It seems that they not have to adhear to the building schedule they set?

They did the same with TGR, My contract states that TGR will be completed by June 2008. They have a 12 month period after this date which brings it to June 2009. If not completed by then I have the right to cancel the contract and Trident has to pay all my monies back with interest!

Actually, that's very strange because it seems as if they destroyed the piling and began to fill the hole exactly like on the Trump Hotel on Palm Jumeirah.

No No ... and No

its a cover up, they are drilling test bore holes for potential oil reserves! :lol:

By the way, please excuse my ignorance, what are the horizontal strut pipes for?? Are they just holding up the concrete side walls?

^^ Yes, they hold them up.

thanks Altin - I thought so.

Anymore updated pics on this? Is it being covered over or are they still working? It seems that Tridents strategy is now to ignore my emails!!!!!!

15/May/2009

The Pentominium

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Aaaahhh!!! good news! They don't seem to fill the hole :banana:

Getting deep but I like what I see. :)

:banana::banana:

Awesome, this will help the marina greatly. An iconic tower (2nd tallest in the world) that does not require huge demand (1 apt. per floor).

what goes down, must come up

Yes, this is good for the marina - a real 'Brucie Bonus' of buildings :lol:

These pictures are definitely encouraging, but we don't have to be happy too quickly. They still have time to cancel it or to let it "on hold" during 10 years

22/May/2009

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^^ What does all this mean?

^^ It means they've done the piling

^^

Thanks for that, what comes next?

more digging, then concrete breaking, then exposed rebar straightening and cutting to the same length, then .... time for the raft.

^^ Just wondering. What exactly is the stage when the main contractor takes over?

Very encouraging to see those pictures, looks good.

^^ Just wondering. What exactly is the stage when the main contractor takes over?

It depends. Usually they start from the raft. At the moment they are still in enabling work phase that can be done by either the piling contractor or a third party.

It is not written in stone though. For example the Infinity was at a similar stage when the disaster struck, and Arabtec was the one working on the site.

29/May/2009

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Curiouser and curiouser.

Any suggestions:dunno: looks like fancey dead loads for pile tests or the caps you cast onto precast driven piles.

Could be getting ready for dynamic impact tests. Just my guess.

Hey Imre, i'm just curious, how many GB (or more likely TB) of photos do you have stored away. Awesome job as always.

thanks!

I used couple GB :) but I have still 800GB free space,around 150.000 pics of UAE ,25-30.000 just the Burj Dubai and Burj Dubai Downtown and 500-600 small videos. :)

^^ I look forward to your Dubai photo construction history book when it is available to buy on amazon. :)

05/June/2009

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Isn't it strange, considering the good progress, that there has not been a mention of even looking for a main contractor? Meanwhile progress on the foundation of burj al alam is pretty much non-existant and there is an article every month about bids for the main contract. Why is this?

Also I wonder how far swissboring will go with construction here. Will they just dig to reaveal the tops of the piles or will they also prepare for the pouring of the foundation slab? I doubt they will actually pour any concrete since this would have been mentioned in the articles which talked about the 250 piles.

Maybe Paul Dubai can ask trident who is taking over after swissboring.

I hope swissboring themself again as main contractor ....

12/June/2009

The Pentominium

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14-06-09

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Now they are chopping off the pileheads, it would definitely make sense to cast the foundation raft not long after. Otherwise you would leave the rebar exposed to corrosive influences - not a good thing for such a challenging project..

15/June/2009

The Pentominium

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^^ nice pics imre:) hope they start the main construction soon

According to my contract they should be on the 60th floor by November 2009.

I have been sending e-mails toTrident almost on a daily basis regarding the delay and have asked if they have a contractor to take over when swissboring have finnished. After a few weeks of sending mails I got this reply! Please find attached a copy of Tridents' Newletter called the " Endeavour".
The attachment should give you a better idea of the going ons of all Trident developments including the Pentominium , which inspite of slight delays, is still currently underway and on schedule.
Trust this is satisfactory.
Pooja Subhash
e-mail: pooja@tihglobal.com

How is this on schedule?????:nuts: They didnt mention if they had a contractor. Since recieving this mail I have continued to send mails on a daily basis to find out if they do have a contractor. I have heard nothing else from them, they choose to ignore my mails!!!!:bash:

26/June/2009

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On hold?

According to my contract they should be on the 60th floor by November 2009.

I have been sending e-mails toTrident almost on a daily basis regarding the delay and have asked if they have a contractor to take over when swissboring have finnished. After a few weeks of sending mails I got this reply! Please find attached a copy of Tridents' Newletter called the " Endeavour".
The attachment should give you a better idea of the going ons of all Trident developments including the Pentominium , which inspite of slight delays, is still currently underway and on schedule.
Trust this is satisfactory.
Pooja Subhash
e-mail: pooja@tihglobal.com

How is this on schedule?????:nuts: They didnt mention if they had a contractor. Since recieving this mail I have continued to send mails on a daily basis to find out if they do have a contractor. I have heard nothing else from them, they choose to ignore my mails!!!!:bash:
Any other ways you can hassle them? :)
There has been little to no progress over the past 2 weeks (well, compared to what was happening before), it's important you find out.

Hard to find out anything from Trident if they choose to ingnore my e-mails and never return my calls......Have no alternative than to instruct my lawyers to act for me now. Unbelievable eh? :ohno:

PaulDubai,

If you are in Dubai, why don't you visit their office? Surely you can meet with someone there, can you not?

Best,

James

PaulDubai,

If you are in Dubai, why don't you visit their office? Surely you can meet with someone there, can you not?

Best,

James

^^

Not in Dubai, I would be knocking on their door if I was....

02/July/2009

The Pentominium

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Swissboring seem to have left now....

Can anyone tell what stage we are at by these pics? Is it normal for the site to be so quiet:? ?

^^ Swissboring is still there. Those porta-cabins and storage tanks are theirs. As for the site being quiet, that's what happens when the main contractor hasn't been appointed and mobilized on site yet.

^^ Thanks for that..

THIS TROM TRIDENT THIS MORNING......

From: kamna@tihglobal.ae
To: Subject: RE: Pentominium
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:43:46 +0400


Dear Sir,

Thank you for your email dated 28 June 2009.

As we are in a contractual relationship, each party has certain obligations and rights to fulfil. As the Developer we confirm that the progress on the Pentominium project is as follows:


M/s Swiss Boring has completed the challenging and exceptionally deep piling and shoring works (a newsletter was sent to this effect in the month of March to all Home Owners , a copy of which we reattach);
The Main Contractor for the Pentominium has already been appointed;
A prominent Bank is on board to project financing the Pentominium.

As you are aware, we are a RERA registered Developer and the Pentominium is a registered project with an active Escrow Account.

Kindly note that construction is progressing well at this stage and it would certainly be very premature to assume that the Pentominium is delayed from an overall perspective. Despite a downturn in the market, the liquidity problems and cancellations of many projects, Trident only embarked on six towers since 2002. To date we have delivered four out of six towers. Trident has an enviable track record in completing its announced projects and requests you to extend your cooperation until we successfully complete this iconic project.

Yours sincerely

Kamna Tandon

Customer Service

Trident International Holdings FZCO

Telephone: +971 (4) 3689225

Facsimile: +971 (4)

E-mail: kamna@tihglobal.com

www.tihglobal.com

Our working hours are from 9am to 6pm, Sunday to Thursday.

Since they say the contractor is apointed, can't they say ho that would be?

10/July/2009

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17/July/2009

The Pentominium

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So what does de-watering mean?

Obviously they are pumping water out of the site but where is the water and why ?

So what does de-watering mean?

Obviously they are pumping water out of the site but where is the water and why ?

It's water that comes from the low water table as the development is so near the sea. Like when you build a sand castle on the beach and dig down a fair way it starts to fill up with water. The further you go inland the lower the water table becomes. Hence all Marina projects have to be de-watered prior to tanking.

So what does de-watering mean?

Obviously they are pumping water out of the site but where is the water and why ?

It means you either do it or it becomes this:

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but why and how does it stop filling up with water?? I'm thinking along the lines of the sandcastle on the seashore, the water fills from the bottom - does that mean they have to encase the site bottom up somehow? thanks,

^^ Yes, the site is (will be) sealed off from the sides and bottom, but first they lower the water table in the area by digging a well and pumping out water from it.

but why and how does it stop filling up with water?? I'm thinking along the lines of the sandcastle on the seashore, the water fills from the bottom - does that mean they have to encase the site bottom up somehow? thanks,

It's natural and varies with amount of rain, closeness to sea or lakes and soil porosity.

You can't stop it, only allow for it by constructing a waterproof basement capable of withstanding water pressure, not just dampness.

Or you could just not have a basement and build everything above the water table as they did in The Atlantic tower. One problem solved but another created, only 1 parking space for everyone.

^^ Yes, the site is (will be) sealed off from the sides and bottom, but first they lower the water table in the area by digging a well and pumping out water from it.

Slight correction, they sink in tubes around the perimeter by fushing water through them then reverse the pumps(special vacuum types) which suck the water out of the soil hence reducing the water table to the level of the bottom of the tubes.

If any water bubbles in from below then your method comes into play:)

Can't wait to see this beast rise! Imagine the views from the top...:nuts:

The mysterious main contractors is likely to be ACC (Princess Tower, Elite Residence, Almas Tower, Al Yaqoub Tower, Rose Rotana, Ethihad Towers, etc).

The Malaysian steel specialist firm EVERSENDAI will build the steel structure of the tower (Eversendai built the steel section of Burj Dubai).

The consultant is HYDER, the same consultant as Burj Dubai (representing there the Architectural firm SOM)

Swissboring there , main contractor still not , access road clean so they can work again :)

28/July/2009

The Pentominium

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Interesting photos:cheers: Compared with a lot of other towers this site is pretty small when you think about it. It's hard to believe that a tower well over 600m is going in there. So slender and elegant looking too. :)

31/July/2009

The Pentominium

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Still no mention of the main contractor?

^^ ACC is the main contractor and Eversendai will do the steel section work (they worked on the top steel section of Burj Dubai)

^^ ACC is the main contractor and Eversendai will do the steel section work (they worked on the top steel section of Burj Dubai)

Has that been officially announced?

still not but hopefully soon.

it seems this one is going on which is good news now.

ACC is good contractor, they have experience how to build a big tower and they already have 2 constructions (Princess, Elite) close to The Pentominium so good for the transportation and logistic.

^^

They must have sold enough Penthouses here to fund the entire construction.....

dewatering still in progress, I spoke with the watchman and he confirmed that the ACC coming soon

07/August/2009

The Pentominium

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Can't wait to see Pentominium site so Busy with concrete networks pumping machine ... GO :D

anyone have ideas on pricing of units, to my understanding from te trident site each floor is one penthouse unit of minimum 600 sq meters.!

anyone have ideas on pricing of units, to my understanding from te trident site each floor is one penthouse unit of minimum 600 sq meters.!

^^
Prices were from around 9M (low floors) to +30M aed....

Dont know if Trident have much for sale, the last remaining properties were being sold as "Salvatore Ferragamo" Penthouses at +30M

so ur telling me prices were around 2.45 million dollars us..... to more than 8.1 million dollars.... i dont understand why anyone would purchase that in a country such as the uae.. it is so unstable even during the boom of 2001 to 2007, if i had even 1 million dollars I would rather invest that in the states or canada, the middle east market has never been too good to invest in long term, and i dont see how anyone now can really afford 2.4 to 8.1 million dollars, it is an amazing tower and i will enjoy visiting it but really.... 2.4 million is just WOW

^^Tax free country, people with that kind of cash like to keep it in tax havens.

I'm sure you get the use of a Bentley as part of your service charges, beats RTA taxis anyday of the week:okay:

07/August/2009

The Pentominium

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so ur telling me prices were around 2.45 million dollars us..... to more than 8.1 million dollars.... i dont understand why anyone would purchase that in a country such as the uae.. it is so unstable even during the boom of 2001 to 2007, if i had even 1 million dollars I would rather invest that in the states or canada, the middle east market has never been too good to invest in long term, and i dont see how anyone now can really afford 2.4 to 8.1 million dollars, it is an amazing tower and i will enjoy visiting it but really.... 2.4 million is just WOW

Some people in Dubai spend a million dollars on a car........

ur right some people spend 2 million dollars on a buggati but those some people are 99.99 percent arabs that have corrupt money , i dont want to get into this whole argument about black money in the uae, everyone knows the people sitting behind the phantom and buggati and how they really got there money, dubai is like panama and monoco, lots of filthy money and a million ways to spend it like there is no tommorow.

Good to see this one is continuing, just hope the interior spec is not the usual Trident finish...cut backs here and there during the downturn, profits down because of overspend on other projects, you know what they say about glossy marketing brochures, DVDs selling the dream etc etc, health club facilities could end up for paying members only, the Bentley could turn out to be a smart car - payable per mile without a driver??!!!

^^
The Bentley is a Rolls Royce.........

[QUOTE=arash89;40948984]ur right some people spend 2 million dollars on a buggati but those some people are 99.99 percent arabs that have corrupt money , i dont want to get into this whole argument about black money in the uae, everyone knows the people sitting behind the phantom and buggati and how they really got there money, dubai is like panama and monoco, lots of filthy money and a million ways to spend it like there is no tommorow.[/QUOTE

What kind of corrupt money you are telling.....Dubai develop because of its economical tax free approch..you donot need to pay taxes on your income...you earn and spend nobody is going to ask where it come from....and that is why its been successfull....even you can drive Phantom and Buggati......its all about how you can risk and dare your Business....its batter to spend money on Cars and Homes rather than spending on Defence...I mean mosty Other than UAE County that ask for TAX spend 30-40 % on bying and selling ARMS only......

^^
The Bentley is a Rolls Royce.........

More like a Volkswagen now, mind you. Their "Rolls Roycinesh" finished long ago.

More like a Volkswagen now, mind you. Their "Rolls Roycinesh" finished long ago.
^^

"Rolls Roycinesh"???????

Their stratigic alliances are: Aedas (Architects)
Azimut (Motor yachts)
Bang & Olufsen (T/V audio systems)
Davidov (Cigar lounge)
HBA (Interiors)
Quintessentially (concierge service)
Rolls Royce
Six Sences Spa
Swarovski
Tiffany
For BLIZZY'S benifit I have listed the alliances services as he probably does'nt recognize many of the brands.....:)

^^ I feel "benifited" then ;)

So it's Rolls Royce, not the Volkswagen, erm... Bentley, I mean :)

I am amased that some guys believe you can get something for nothing!!! Rolls Royce or Volgswagen, Azamut Yaht or dingi boat you will be paying use of them through service charges..., There is no other way..

I've just heard they are offering an option 'B' brand of items/services for those suffering from the credit crunch with a much reduced annual service charge. The 'B' option strategic alliances are as follows,

Asis boats (RIB boats build in Jebel Ali UAE visit www.asisboats.com)
Goodmans (TV & audio systems)
New outside smoking shelter (inc free roll ups)
B&Q (interiors)
Fawlty Towers (concierge services from Manuel)
Hyundai (free use of Sonata car)
David Lloyd (fitness centre)
Argos (mid range jewellery)
Poundland (low range gift store)

:lol::lol:

Good to see this one is continuing, just hope the interior spec is not the usual Trident finish...cut backs here and there during the downturn, profits down because of overspend on other projects, you know what they say about glossy marketing brochures, DVDs selling the dream etc etc, health club facilities could end up for paying members only, the Bentley could turn out to be a smart car - payable per mile without a driver??!!!

Yah...See one of the posting from Marinascape site... Trident is rapidly loosing its reputation... They have problems..

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Originally Posted by hippo123 View Post
What is the general condition of Marinascape now? How is the greenery coming along? What about the chiller noise issue? Any update will be appreciated.

"Still the same as a 3 months ago, Dying, Still Noisy, Glass in dome still broke, still no Aquo whatsit, still no outside cleaning on Oceanic, lifts still need more work, driveway paving slabs still broke and cracking, patio doors still leaking noise and sand, lights still falling out of ceiling, loads more, but Great location, and views to die for.

Still we fight on with the big T.

I came back the other day, and security had orders not to let taxis into the courtyard, said the MS Facilities said so, I said I have a dodgy heart, and dodgy other stuff, showed him my scars said I was handicapped, and an old man, and I aint walking up the hill in 50 degree heat, so tell his bosses that, and as I dont own a car, when I return in a taxi with a bootload groceries, I hope he is on duty and can carry it in for me.

I think he saw sense when I got my phone out, and said "I will just call the police and see what they have to say" that made him change his mind.

I later went to MF, and told them to sort it out, or they would have a dead owner on there hands, I also requested that they allocate, 12 or more car parking slots, as vistors spaces, when people come to visit, they should have somewhere to park, and it would keep them out of the courtyard...........thats pending, Oh I was told cleaning would begin in the next two weeks, but I was told that 6 months ago.

Alan

Unquote...

14/August/2009

The Pentominium

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They look like they are down on the rock head now and cutting out more piles into the rock.

It's a mystery to me what is actually going on but it could be what I said before, that they are collecting geophysical data from the piles and the geology of the different parts of the plot.

This would help them determin how many more piles are required for the foundation.

Digging is one thing, but what's with the newly drilled holes?

are they still soil testing? If so, what results are they looking for

Geophysical data.

How strong is the rock, how uniform, how does it react to excessive loading will a pressure bulb be developed. Some of the hundereds of answers that are needed before the foundations can be finally designed and tested.

What you probably won't know is how soils and rock reacts to loads. Soils consolidate and compress, the water content and porosity of the soil determins the time taken for the consolidation to complete. Clays and weak rocks can take 10's of years to finaly settle. If this settlement is differential or uneven then you have a leaning tower of Pisa.

Most of this stuff can be determined by site tests and laboratory tests. But that should only apply to normally loaded foundations. The foundations here are far from normal and the concentration of weight on the rock below this structure is likely to change the properties of the rock itself over years. Sounds extreme, but the pressure from the foundations could cause the temperature of the pressurised rock to increase changing it's properties.

Remember that some rocks are formed from applied temperature from the earths core and others are formed from pressure from overburden, weight from above. Others, like the rocks I would expect to find here are sedimentary and formed from a combination of settlement and smaller pressures.

Applying a very high load to the rock will cause the temperature to rise and may change its physical state. A pressure bulb extending beyond the plot could have an effect on the surrounding bedrock below the neighbouring structures. These are all the things that need to be known before just firing up a supertall structure like this one.

Cutting corners is just not possible. Some may remember the time that was spent on the Burj Dubai site before it started rising. The Nakheel harbour site prep works started over a year ago and was originally planned as a 10 year project.

A 600m+ structure on such a small footprint is going to take time. You will just have to be patient.

^^
Sounds like they are a long way off from starting the actual construction....

T.B, how long do you think before they get to the basement slab?

Thanks TB - interesting stuff, sounds like a technically demanding project. Do you know if they monitor the Burj Dubai building for movement, ie shifting/settlement etc and will this building be built to the same foundation standards technically?? Apologies - I'm just a layman when it comes to construction projects.

^^
Sounds like they are a long way off from starting the actual construction....

T.B, how long do you think before they get to the basement slab?

I have to confess I am using a bit of guess work here as an outside spectator.

I would have thought;

1 year initial design.
2-3 years for site investigation, fieldwork, foundation design and construction including approval of final design to main structure.
Min 3 years for main construction.

So all in at around 7 years to see this finished.

Thanks TB - interesting stuff, sounds like a technically demanding project. Do you know if they monitor the Burj Dubai building for movement, ie shifting/settlement etc and will this building be built to the same foundation standards technically?? Apologies - I'm just a layman when it comes to construction projects.

Yes, if you look back this thread you will see them installing load cells in the piles that are already constructed. They will monitor loads, movement and other data that will give important feedback on how the piles are performing during construction and after completion. The same technology will be in use at BD.

I have to confess I am using a bit of guess work here as an outside spectator.

I would have thought;

1 year initial design.
2-3 years for site investigation, fieldwork, foundation design and construction including approval of final design to main structure.
Min 3 years for main construction.

So all in at around 7 years to see this finished.

You think more than 2 years befor the basement slab is done????

^^When was the initial design done?

I just had a quick look back to the begining of the thread for you and it looks like end 2006. So 2-3 years from end 2006 takes upto end of this year. This assumes initial concept was complete before launch started. If not the by end 2010 we should have a raft cast.

Remember to take all my projections with a pinch of salt, I'm just an educated guesser:)

There are new investors coming to Dubai every day. The Cannes launch suggests the targeting of people with plenty of money who don't spend a lot of their time doing market research.

This tower could be around 7 years in the making as the design has never been done before. The foundations could take 1 year alone as I expect tension piles with under-reaming in the rock as part of the design. (May be they haven't solved that problem yet and I've just given them a possible solution for free :lol:)

^^My quote from May 2007, Looks like I allowed 1 year for piling alone in my thinking then. But still a 7 year project minimum.

^^When was the initial design done?

I just had a quick look back to the begining of the thread for you and it looks like end 2006. So 2-3 years from end 2006 takes upto end of this year. This assumes initial concept was complete before launch started. If not the by end 2010 we should have a raft cast.

Remember to take all my projections with a pinch of salt, I'm just an educated guesser:)

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Thanks for that, I appreciate that its just an educated guess but I bet the dates are more accurate than Trident give me!:)

I have to confess I am using a bit of guess work here as an outside spectator.

I would have thought;

1 year initial design.
2-3 years for site investigation, fieldwork, foundation design and construction including approval of final design to main structure.
Min 3 years for main construction.

So all in at around 7 years to see this finished.


A 600m+ structure on such a small footprint is going to take time. You will just have to be patient.

So, realistically speaking we could quite possibly be looking at 2015 or even 2016 for completion here. Quite a wait, but I agree, and I've mentioned this here before myself, planting a 600m+ tower in this small plot is going to be no walk in the park. A very difficult task no doubt, but at the same time very exciting too. It should be fascinating watching this all come together. As you say, it's all about time and patience on this one. Very true.

Thx for all the info:cheers:

So, realistically speaking we could quite possibly be looking at 2015 or even 2016 for completion here. Quite a wait, but I agree, and I've mentioned this here before myself, planting a 600m+ tower in this small plot is going to be no walk in the park. A very difficult task no doubt, but at the same time very exciting too. It should be fascinating watching this all come together. As you say, it's all about time and patience on this one. Very true.

Thx for all the info:cheers:

Not so exiting if you have few hundred thousand dollars invested in the project!!! This one turning into a very bad investment!!!

Digging is one thing, but what's with the newly drilled holes?

Earthwork support because the raft is narrower on two edges than in the middle:)

So, realistically speaking we could quite possibly be looking at 2015 or even 2016 for completion here. Quite a wait, but I agree, and I've mentioned this here before myself, planting a 600m+ tower in this small plot is going to be no walk in the park. A very difficult task no doubt, but at the same time very exciting too. It should be fascinating watching this all come together. As you say, it's all about time and patience on this one. Very true.

Thx for all the info:cheers:

Completion should be at end of 2013:)

^^ In a perfect world, yes. But this is Dubai ;)

Not so exiting if you have few hundred thousand dollars invested in the project!!! This one turning into a very bad investment!!!

A few hundred thousand dollars??? 30% which is already paid in is over $1m even on the cheapest of units!

multiple investors maybe...

A few hundred thousand dollars??? 30% which is already paid in is over $1m even on the cheapest of units!

Yah, you are right..Paul.. Some people paid up to AED 25 million for apartment when market was at its peak?!! This project will make or break Trident.. So far they are not doing very well to put back a confidence with investors.. Their after sale service stinks in Marinascape and other completed projects..

Yah, you are right..Paul.. Some people paid up to AED 25 million for apartment when market was at its peak?!! This project will make or break Trident.. So far they are not doing very well to put back a confidence with investors.. Their after sale service stinks in Marinascape and other completed projects..

Is there ANY developer with a good after sales service?

Is there ANY developer with a good after sales service?

Everything is so new in Dubai that we simply don't know... Trident has been bragging how great they are, with all these glossy brochures, etc... They are suppose to be one of the best.. If this is best who knows what others are like..

Everything is so new in Dubai that we simply don't know... Trident has been bragging how great they are, with all these glossy brochures, etc... They are suppose to be one of the best.. If this is best who knows what others are like..

I think that Trident had some "bad luck" with Marinascape and the project went way over budget what with the building costs etc increasing so much. The exterior of TGR is looking fantastic now but we will have wait and see how the standard of the interiors are. We will know by the end of the year.......

Not so exiting if you have few hundred thousand dollars invested in the project!!! This one turning into a very bad investment!!!

I mean exciting from a spectators/skyscraper enthusiast's point of view. Of course, from an investors point of view it's a whole different ball game. I seriously doubt they'd even give you the front door of one of these units for a few hundred thousand dollars! lol I think we'll just have to sit back and wait to see what happens here... to be fair, it's the same story with most developers thesedays. Even the really good ones are having a lot of problems, from what I can see anyway. If I may ask, are you an investor here?

Earthwork support because the raft is narrower on two edges than in the middle:)

Oh, I see. Fascinating indeed. :cheers:

Completion should be at end of 2013:)

Well, 2013 sounds great to me, but with things the way they are right now, I'll keep an open mind on this one. I do agree that it is possible to build this tower in 4 years though. If it reaches ground level in another twelve months then I'll be very happy about that indeed! Let's see. :D

I mean exciting from a spectators/skyscraper enthusiast's point of view. Of course, from an investors point of view it's a whole different ball game. I seriously doubt they'd even give you the front door of one of these units for a few hundred thousand dollars! lol I think we'll just have to sit back and wait to see what happens here... to be fair, it's the same story with most developers thesedays. Even the really good ones are having a lot of problems, from what I can see anyway. If I may ask, are you an investor here?

I am an investor...

I am an investor...

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In the pento?